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Love Hope Radio. Welcome to Open
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Radio is the UFO news authority presenting
evidence and the latest news regarding the UFO

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phenomenon. Here's your host, Alejandro
Roja. Hello and welcome to open Minds

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Radio, your UFO news authority.
This is Alejandro and we have another great

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show today. In fact, we've
got Michael hornon because of course we talked

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about Billy Meyer a couple of weeks
ago, and even since then, I've

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looked into some more and there's some
fishy stuff there people. I'm sorry,

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but it's kind of weird, and
so we wanted to bring Michael, and

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Michael wanted to come on and talk
about that. In fact, he sent

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us some pictures and stuff. So
if you're not watching on the U stream

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right now and you're listening to the
podcast, you want to go check out

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the YouTube video that we'll post in
a couple of days, or go to

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our youth stream and check that out. Just look for open Minds and you'll

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see for yourself some of these pictures
that we're going to be referring through throughout

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the show that Michael gave us and
honestly. Unfortunately you'll hear how we feel.

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But I feel the pictures that he
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against the Billy Myers stuff because it
was really weird stuff. But we'll be

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talking about that. However, it's
a long talk, that discussion that Michael

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and I had, and so we're
gonna go straight to the news. Jason

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McClellan, tell us what's going on. Greetings A Lajandro and hello everyone.

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This is your Open Mindes UFO News
Brief for Monday, October third, twenty

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eleven. Alejandro, I feel like
David Letterman. We have a top ten.

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Isn't that cool? Oh? Great? I don't think we've ever had

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a top ten. No, this
is our first top ten. Yeah,

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we might have had a top ten, but here is a top ten.

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Live Science published an infograph last week
on their website showing the top ten states

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for UFO sidings. The National UFO
Reporting Center's data was used to create the

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infographic, and the data represents sightings
from nineteen ninety four to twenty eleven.

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I guess what the number one is, Alee Hundro, Illinois and California.

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It is California, number two.
You want to try Texas and that's number

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three. You're close. The top
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and our wonderful state of Arizona is
lucky number seven. Yeah. Nice,

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Well, these are based off of
Newfork too, and they don't receive

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these days as many as Moufon does. That is correct. This is national

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UFO Reporting Centers data, which was
an interesting choice for Life Science to use.

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But I think they sort of it
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use that data, I think.
But well, and you know, they

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just go to the web and they
find who's getting UFO reports. There's been

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lots of stories, especially on the
East Coast, about Peter Davenport and that,

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so I think they find him and
get a hold of him, and

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he always answers the phone. So
they get their data, say send us

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some data and bout the boom by
to being nicely put m hm, how

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it works. Been in the business
for a while. Yeah, so that

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the top ten I was I was
kind of shocked, and then when I

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read where they got the data from, I I I could understand a little

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more. But yeah, move On
does focus more on actually tracking that data

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and and mapping it. Out and
you did a great job of that while

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you were there, and I was
here. When I came here, I

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finally had time to put the data
together, So yes, and aren't you

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still working on that? I need
to do that again and I'll do that

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again soon. But to see what
I had to put together, you can

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go to our website open Minds,
to that TV and just look for hot

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spots and you'll be able to see
based off of years, I mean all

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the years that move On's been collecting
it to data what the hot spots were.

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And I found similar stuff California,
Arizona, Colorado actually which they didn't

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have. But that's what surprised me
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It seems to be mostly based around
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based it off of found out what
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can see where are there more sightings
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was interesting. Arizona and Colorado were
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interestingly, you've lived in both places. Dun, Dun, Dun. I

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think there's a conspiracy around that could
be could be well another news Allahado,

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and I haven't heard anybody talk about
this really. But the International UFO Museum

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and Research Center in Roswell, New
Mexico, recently debuted a redesigned website.

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The new website makes it easier for
visitors to read about the history of the

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museum and the history of the Roswell
UFO incident that occurred in nineteen forty seven.

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The website also contains information about plans
for the construction of the brand new,

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multimillion dollar facility that will house the
museum. The website explains the new,

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larger museum will offer new displays,
a futuristic building, plus lots of

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motor home and tour bus parking.
The museum is a major part of the

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city of Roswell's UFO Festival that takes
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also contains information about that. You
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www dot Roswellufomuseum dot com. And
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being nice and I didn't say it
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the worst sites in UFO and the
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terrible. It was all over the
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of the best out there. It
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was surprised. It was just gorgeous. It looks like a lot of thought

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and money and time is put into
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have. Now, you're certainly right
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it was a difficult site to go
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you mentioned to me that they readed
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surprise going there and seeing this.
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just I can't remember why, but
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knew that they changed the website.
I just went there doing some research or

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something, and I discovered this great
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really cool. So everybody has to
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Roswell, UFL Museum. Way to
go, Roswell. A little bit of

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Hollywood news here. Keeper Sutherland believed
that extraterrestrial life exists in the universe,

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and that's exciting to me because Keeper
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I was a big twenty four fan. I was a big My favorite

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with him is probably Last Boys.
I thought you were gonna say young Guns.

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No, I was thinking of Young
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But young Guns, it was kind
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I loved well. According to Banks
show Bid, Sutherland believes it would be

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quote very arrogant to believe this is
the only planet that could sustain some kind

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of life. He further stated,
quote when I look up at the sky

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on a clear night and see the
washup stars and planets, everything that is

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outside our universe, I have to
believe there is life everywhere. And I

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know a lot of people are going
to kind of poo pooh this this statement

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and say it's just being blown up
from nothing. This is the kind of

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nothing response that we hear from a
lot of people, you know that,

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oh, there has to be something
out there. And people criticize that response,

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But I like that response, especially
when it comes from somebody in the

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spotlight, because even a statement like
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them. I mean, we have
the ridicule factor that everybody faces, but

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celebrities seem to suffer even more so. And when a celebrity comes out and

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you know, we'll face that ridicule
and say hey, I'm confident there's something

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out there, it's more of a
big deal than I think many people will

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give it credit. Yeah, maybe
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they're asked that question, usually this
is their answer. Right, especially lately,

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it's been there's got to be something
out there. But it's better than

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you know, making funny people or
something, right, It's better than just

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laughing right away at that. Because
these people who act in in even loosely

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related movies, you know, talking
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related, this question frequently gets asked
to these these actors in press conferences and

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what was the movie again? I
forget what this movie is, Okay,

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I don't even remember if the interview
was related to it. It's something that

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the articles that mentioned this referenced because
it's about an asteroid coming to Earth and

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big doomsday type thing. But but
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these people who act in these movies
more and more lately, and we're seeing

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this this response a lot, or
related responses, a lot people saying I

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absolutely think that there's something out there. And while that isn't a very committal

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answer, it's not anything you know
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oh, yeah, I've seen aliens, I've seen UFOs whatever. At

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least it's a statement that's not laughing, and you know it shows that they

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do think about the subject and they're
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Yep, excellent, Keeper, Alejandro. This is something that you wrote about

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recently, and I think we touched
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House launched a new section on their
website called We the People that allows people

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to post petitions about matters they want
the White House to address. If a

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petition obtains a certain number of signatures
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White House says that they will review
the issue and make an official response.

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Well. Political activist Stephen Bassett of
the Paradigm Research Group posted a petition on

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September twenty second which asked the President
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the human race, and five days
later, the petition reached the five thousand

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signature mark, and I think as
of today it was close to seven thousand

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signatures. Yep, yeah, I
checked it out. It's interesting. I

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think that the wording personally, I
think it's going a little far. Acknowledge

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extraterrestrial presence. I asked, of
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president knew about an extraterrestrial presence.
Steve Batsett said, if he doesn't,

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he can easily find out. But
as I wrote in my story, Bill

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Clinton seemed to really try to find
out and didn't get anywhere. And what's

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interesting is that, you know,
people think, well, he's just covering

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up. Bill Clinton might have known
more than he implies, but he says,

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I tried to find out, and
I'm embarrassed about it, like even

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in this video that we have.
But he goes on to say that I

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wouldn't be the first president who has
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from from career bureaucrats, So there
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Why would he even add that?
If he was in the know and he

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wanted to cover that up, why
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I was being goofy and I looked
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and just stop there. But instead, he always and he's done this before,

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eludes to possibly that maybe people do
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And I was surprised to see that. Well, I guess I wasn't

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that surprised, but I wasn't expecting
to see other extraterrestrial related petitions on the

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White House website as well, but
there's there's a few more, yes,

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but this one certainly had the most
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it was the first one up too. Yep. And again I doubt they'll

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address this if at all, and
when they do, I'm sure it'll be

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a joke. Well, yeah,
they do have to make some response,

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and Lee Spiegel is writing a story
on the Huffington Post correct where he talked

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to the White House, so they
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They're gonna get posted any minute now, so I'm really excited to see

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that. So we'll have to see
what this White House rep told him.

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I'm guessing they're just going to say
something like the Air Force looked into it,

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they didn't find anything, right,
thank you by or they'll pull a

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Slimington and joke about it. Yeah, maybe the Phoenix. It's very possible.

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Well, Lehondra, I would love
to talk news all night, but

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I've got to cut it short because
we have an extended interview tonight, very

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exciting interview with Michael Horn, So
I will leave it at that. Remember

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to check out these stories and more
at openminds dot tv, your source for

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UFO related news. I'm Jason McClellan, your Open Minds News correspondent, and

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you've been breathed. And if you
are listening on blog talk or on a

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podcast, I do strongly recommend,
as all Jundra suggested to either watch on

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the U stream tonight or check out
the archive on YouTube tomorrow or anytime after

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the show to watch so you can
see the visuals that accompany this interview,

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because I think the visuals are important, especially for this show. So you

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can check out our YouTube channel at
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to you, Alejandro, all right, yeah, what, thank you for

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doing that and letting them know we
only have a few seconds before we need

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to get that interview going. But
just to tell you a couple of things

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that are on the website. Michael
Stratt, of course, who works here,

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and he's really into airplanes and black
projects and stuff. He took a

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look at Billy Meyer's pictures and he
was a little skeptical and we posted something

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online about that. He also likes
to illustrate UFO cases because he's looked into

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thousands, which he talks about in
that story. But we've got some illustrations

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that he did on some stories also. And then last week I told you

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about the Rand Corporation and UFOs and
some stories Antonio wrote on that. Well

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we've got part two on that,
and you're gonna want to check out part

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two because it's great. It goes
into detail about a research document that Rand

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Corporation did on UFOs. So very
cool. And I'm speaking fast because we

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got to get Michael Horn on the
line, So let's go ahead and talk

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to Michael Horn about Billy Meyer.
I am happy to have on the show

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Michael Horn, because, of course, as you all know, we talked

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about Billy Meyer a couple of weeks
ago, and some of that what we

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talked about got back to Michael,
so we definitely want to give him a

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chance to clarify or let us know
more about those things. And I of

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course have a lot of questions for
Michael. So welcome, Well, thank

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you, al thanks very much.
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How are you doing. I'm good. I'm just maybe a little bit horse

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so if you need to tell me
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I mean, I'm just a little
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free to proud me here, so
to speak, to speak louder if you

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need me to. Okay, great, we'll do. And I have a

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feeling you're definitely an energetic person,
that your energy will kick in and that

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you will be plenty loud enough for
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So first I have just a list
of clarifications things to go over. Of

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course, these are some of the
more tougher points that have been brought up

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over the years, but I think
it's important because you, of course are

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very adamant and to put it lightly
about the importance of the Myer case,

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and that people groups like move On
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However, and really in the past
when we've talked, I have been

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someone who has I would say,
I want I've always really wanted to believe

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in the Myer case, and I
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things. And so maybe it's good
for us to talk about these things that

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now that I'm clear on, I
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hesitating about this case, and I
think it's fair that they are, and

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let's go over some of that.
So let's start with on the top of

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my list. You have sent me
some pictures of models, and they're very

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well taken to where they look real. You know. I was showing my

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colleague here and he looked at them. He said, wow, that looks

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like an old picture and from the
fifties or something, and it wasn't.

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These were models. So I was
sure, what point you're trying to make.

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The point you're trying to make that
anything can be baked or replicated.

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Yes, you know what. I
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I was just searching stuff online and
those fantastic photos came up, and

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I thought I was looking at photos
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And then the more I got into
it, I realized this guy has

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made these most amazing models. And
there's things to be said about model making.

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Models can be made of anything,
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the skeptics so long to get people
to make models of Meyer's UFOs tells us

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something, and maybe people will want
to think that through. But let me

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say this about the models. When
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who can devote or dedicate the amount
of time that he did to studying so

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precisely, and you know, reproducing
in great detail the cars, the homes,

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you know, all the scenarios,
and you're audience will see all that.

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That means that he had something to
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to do it. Now we know
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not since nineteen seventy five, my
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And you may want to cover that
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but it's very very important because however
we do this and in responding to models,

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when people talk about, well Meyer
made models and he strung them up

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with fishing line, and then you've
got people running around doing these Rube Goldberg

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type of fishing line installations between trees
and suspending models. Didn't anybody ever really

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look into the research in this case
and find out a few things such as

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Meyer was observed regularly by all the
nice nosy people in Switzerland. They were

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interviewed by the investigators both in the
original investoration and by Gary Kinder. They

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were asked, did you see him
carrying anything? What was he doing?

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You know to set up the kind
of model rigs takes time you're going to

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run fishing line. There's no record
that Meyer was a fisherman and that he

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ever purchased fishing line or any of
that kind of stuff. The devil is

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in the details. So the other
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models, people say, well,
we've taken these household items like plates and

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pots and pants, and we well, did they bother to find out?

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What were the plates and pots and
pants in Meyer's place? Did they bear

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any resemblance to that? Was there
a workspace in which he could work to

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make up to one dozen different models? And now you're going back, as

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I said, to nineteen sixty four
in the middle of nowhere in India where

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he photographs askets shipship of Asket,
which is a totally different type than the

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other craft, plus up to eight
of the light objects in these nineteen sixty

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four photographs. So I'm going to
stop long enough for you to get on

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of this. When people talk about
models, they really don't understand the established

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realities of myer situation. Now,
first I'll say that out of the case,

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no doubt, I think one of
the most impressive pieces of evidence,

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and one that I personally feel is
legitimate, is the nineteen sixty four India

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photographs. I mean those are different
than the rest. There were witnesses.

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In fact, I can never remember
exactly her name. I know I have

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a here it's pullball chain pull exactly. So who's a diplomat? Now,

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yes, she was. She's a
retired diplomat. She'd been at the UN

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for something like a dozen years for
Cambodia. And I should add something here

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just in case, because you know, time flies when we're having fun.

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But when we made our film The
Silent Revolution of Truth, poboalt Cheng,

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her video piece that was included and
Billy Myers were analyzed by a man who

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was a expert consultant and expert consultant
to the US Army Special Forces. He

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consults in body language. Now why
would that be important? Because special Forces

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and of course all other soldiers have
to be able to make immediate determinations about

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a person's state that they observe.
Is that person trustworthy, deceptive, devious

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threat to me? We're talking now, instantaneous assessments that take place split second.

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That this man teaches the finest military
He had the opportunity to sit and

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watch Meyer's video off and of course
pobol Chang. We turned the sound off

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even though Meyer was speaking in German. I didn't want him to possibly because

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he didn't know who Billy Meyer was. And we didn't explain it to until

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after we were done, and we
said, we want your assessment on these

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two people. So the sound is
off, you know, and he's watching

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and it's in a center film and
he says, basically, it's the thumbs

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up to these people. They're honest, they're telling the truth as they know

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it. So when you go back
to India and you know, when you're

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talking about that that amazing photograph there
that you've got of the cross of the

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sky. This was taken on a
nineteen forties Kodak Bellows type camera. Meyer

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is sitting in the foreground. Somebody
else took the picture and that cross in

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the sky was projected holographically in nineteen
sixty four. I have been up with

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my nose to that photo. That
photo that you see in there is at

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the very end of our film.
We stood in Meyer's office with his open

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personal book. This isn't even something
that they show to the public, and

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there was that photograph and we lingered
on it because it's amazing and it's I

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don't have some maname reaction to that
picture. I think that picture is billy.

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It looks like a couple of pieces
of tape were taped onto the film

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when it was developed. I mean, well, edge jumping and look like

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tape. I know I don't have
a really great copy. Yeah, I

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understand, but you have to understand. This was sixty four kodak Meyer developing

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all of his UFO photos at local
as much as you can get local labs.

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This is not tape. How does
he take tape and put it on

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a photograph developed in the lab?
I, as I said, my nose

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and my partner in this, who's
you know, filmmaker, We looked at

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that. That's a photograph where that
object, whatever we may think it is,

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is in the photograph. But let's
leave that for people to you know,

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respectfully question or disagreeable. Let's leave
that. And I got to when

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we get into getting back to the
models and stuff from the sixties. You

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know, these India pictures are different, but then they move in to the

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seventies and as time goes on,
they really get kind of more and people

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have a hard time with it.
They get a little more convoluted, they

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look very they don't look as real, they look more like models. And

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then we get these stories that from
Meyer himself that he did have models,

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that he did make models at they
took photographs of him and they were terrible,

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and this was something that was shown
to the investigators. But let me

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go to your point about this about
the photos and how they look. First

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of all, we do have to
understand this is a man who took over

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twelve hundred photos of the four of
these objects. And again go back to

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this point, how did he,
as a one armed man with no place

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that's ever been discovered, effectively craft
at least seven or eight different types of

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so called models, metallic and multiple
ones, and to spend them at angles

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and all of this undetected by anybody. Now, the other problem borist by

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himself. And he didn't have a
job, right, No, no,

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no, no, no, no, no, no, not at all.

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He lived there were two places he's
currently living in, one that I

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think they took over in maybe seventy
eight or nine. But he lived in

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basically two buildings, and the one
that he's been in the longest is a

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farmhouse that he took over that at
the time, had no in some places

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no floor, had no running water, electricity, And here he was,

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sometime working as a night watchman,
renovating this place basically by himself. Was

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sometimes a little bit of help.
Raising three kids and doing all this was

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one hand, going on the contact, photographing and filming the objects, coming

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back and transcribing it up to end, over one hundred words per minute.

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What now totals over twenty six thousand
pages of information. This is pretty nifty

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stuff for a farmer. But let's
go to this thing of being alone.

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He was anything but alone. I've
been to Switzerland a dozen times. I'll

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be there thirteenth time fairly soon.
Now, look these areas where he lived,

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they're not forests. He went to
different forests and meadows, open fields,

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mountains to photograph, but he had
to traverse different people's properties almost every

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time, and in some cases even
in the contact reports he says to you

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know, Semyazi or somebody you know, that was very unfair of you to

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make me go to that one location. I have to go through four different

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closed fences and get off my moped. So here's a one armed guy riding

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and sometimes twenty thirty kilometers in all
weather to remote areas on a moped with

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one hand. Are we really going
to have him dancing around now stringing fishing

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line for what I mean? This
is where things get very bizarre. But

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let's come back to an essential point
and one that I'm going to hold you

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guys to. There were originals and
first generation prints examined and analyzed this case,

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contrary to what's been said, my
friends. And you can know that

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because you guys that Open Minds actually
own Wendel Stevens collection, and I've sent

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you some screen captures of some of
the places where they speak about the originals

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being analyzed, and about them traveling
with originals on trains and the strange security

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that they suddenly got unasked for by
the CIA and other people. And then

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where there is a you know,
a complete photo analysis document that is free

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on my website that people can look
at them myself done, oh my goodness

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at the time stated that's the metals. No, no, no, there's

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a whole photo analysis document and I
think you'll be able to put that up

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soon to show it. And this
was very discreet. They outlined every piece

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of equipment, every kind of computer
analysis all of the work done on edge

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enhancements and analyzing pixelization and thermography,
even Marcel Vogel's idea to illuminate one of

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the photos or negs. I'm trying
to remember. I sent you a capture

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on that with red light and then
tested using infrared and they could find an

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energy signature between the UFO and a
Swiss Mirage jet that was sent up.

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They had eleven photos of that encounter
with a Swiss Mirage jet and they had

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the sound recordings. Now, so
we don't lose a sense of perspective.

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You and I know that we could
do probably three hours here easily. And

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I will say to you now,
because you know I have questions for you,

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I don't know get to them,
but can you think of one other

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so called UFO case where you have
so much to go through, where it's

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been analyzed, it's been examined,
there's there's a problems that it it when

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you go through this analysis. And
I've seen Windel step and even himself he's

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not consistent in what he says,
what generation was, what I mean?

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He mostly said he never touched anything
except for two to six generation pictures.

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No, he never had the right
zero ones. You're going to find it

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in those documents where he says originals
and first generation. And that's what I'm

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hearing, is there these inconsistencies and
not only that, uh, most of

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these labs. I think that's one
of the issues is that it hasn't been

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for instance, you know, with
something that's going to be taken as scientific

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evidence, first has to be analyzed
by multiple labs. And typically, if

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ever are they able to say,
they can say it's something that is a

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solid object that is a certain distance
away from the camera. But that's about

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all they can say. They can
they can say it's not top Here's what

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they can tell you. It is
either a small object close to the camera

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or a large object a distance from
the camera. It either has some thermographic

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signatures. We can either find out
that there is haze around it so that

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there is a lack of distinct edges
that is consistent with a larger object at

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a distance from the camera. This
is why if you take let's say Phil

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Langdon's photographs, and I encouraged Phil
for over two years. I have the

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email record I've been in touch with
this guy encouraging him to take his best

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shot and every photo of his.
If you look, they're lovely, they're

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clear as can be. The ones
that are supposed to be at a distance

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are still too clear and you really
know what you're looking at. And I'm

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not a photographic expert, but I've
read Wendell's report and that's not a mickey

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mouse report. Go through that electrodensitymmetric
analysis of edit. I mean done brument

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with the wedding cake ones, that
they're too clear, that they're too in

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focus, that they and people point
that out as evidence, including people who

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claim themselves to be photographic experts,
of it being you know, the too

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close to the camera. No,
what happened was in the two clear ones

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on Myer's case, and this again
is in Wendell's stuff. They went and

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had certain type of chromographs made where
they were able to enhance and and they

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show the original fit photo and they
showed the enhanced one where they were able

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to bring out the detail that showed
you all of the dissimilar metals and the

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craft, that showed you the contours
and the fledging and the machine. This

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is not done by somebody in their
kitchen. The best stuff on these regular

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UFOs disc type things that Meyer did. Phil try to duplicate the Hassenball one

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00:31:11.960 --> 00:31:15.319
of the Hassenball, they're amateurish at
best because you can't do it. There's

408
00:31:15.400 --> 00:31:22.440
no flashing lights to be seen on
Langdon's film of the so called Hassenball duplication.

409
00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:29.759
We shouldn't do too much. In
my opinion, let people read this

410
00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:33.279
evidence because I'll tell you right now, and people sometimes criticize me for this

411
00:31:33.480 --> 00:31:37.960
elehandro if you take all the UFO
evidence out of the case, I can

412
00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:47.000
prove to you that Meyer is,
as David Froning, astrophysicist said, being

413
00:31:47.039 --> 00:31:52.920
advised by very knowledgeable people scientifically,
and that means he's being advised by people

414
00:31:53.119 --> 00:32:00.079
who have access to information that nobody
else on earth does. Now I know

415
00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:02.680
we're going to get to that segment. We'll definitely get to we get we'll

416
00:32:02.799 --> 00:32:08.319
spend most of the last part on
that. The issue is is, of

417
00:32:08.359 --> 00:32:14.000
course, as you know, extraordinary
claims take extraordinary evidence. It's something that

418
00:32:14.039 --> 00:32:19.640
we all face in this field is
that the bar is set higher for this

419
00:32:19.759 --> 00:32:22.920
field than it even for scientific research. Scientists can go to the media and

420
00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:27.440
say we think this and that.
Later it turns out to not be true,

421
00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:31.119
but it's different for this field.
And just to highlight some of the

422
00:32:31.240 --> 00:32:37.440
issues such as with the models.
Again, Billy Meyer has said that even

423
00:32:39.720 --> 00:32:45.759
the alien Sam Josse has given him
a model of a beam chip. Right.

424
00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:47.960
Look, let me let me try
to put this in perspective. I

425
00:32:49.079 --> 00:32:53.319
just said before and I'll say it
again. There are up to twelve different

426
00:32:53.440 --> 00:33:00.240
objects that Meyer photographed, some of
in some cases for in a full and

427
00:33:00.440 --> 00:33:05.720
at different angles. We've got to
get our heads straight here. Nobody else

428
00:33:06.519 --> 00:33:12.920
in you that doesn't. Okay,
So these pictures were difficult to make,

429
00:33:13.279 --> 00:33:19.640
they're able to be made with models. Billy Meyer has set and I'm just

430
00:33:21.880 --> 00:33:27.759
photograph that the play Devil's advocate that
Billy Meyer and Eddy's had models, not

431
00:33:27.799 --> 00:33:30.799
only models that he made, but
models from an extra treasurill that were given

432
00:33:30.799 --> 00:33:37.680
to him and then taken away.
And these are pictures that could be made

433
00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:42.319
by models. And no, no, this is look no, no,

434
00:33:42.400 --> 00:33:45.240
that's not representing what's in the case. I'm sorry. Wendell Stevens, as

435
00:33:45.279 --> 00:33:50.839
you know, had a model made
the studio at MGM. Pretty decent model,

436
00:33:50.920 --> 00:33:52.799
looked good. It wasn't made out
of metal, but it was good.

437
00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:55.839
There's photographs of it. Uh,
they photographed it and when they did

438
00:33:55.920 --> 00:34:00.880
computer analysis, And this is where
it comes down to it. You can

439
00:34:00.920 --> 00:34:05.720
talk about photographs and films all day
long. No skeptic who's tried to duplicate

440
00:34:05.799 --> 00:34:12.719
Myers photographs or films has submitted their
model photographs because they will be coming back

441
00:34:12.840 --> 00:34:16.760
as models. They won't get an
analysis such as was done. But what

442
00:34:16.840 --> 00:34:22.440
about Myers then that he never did
You never make any refooses to He dodges

443
00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:27.000
it all the time though. I
mean you could do that yourself, and

444
00:34:27.079 --> 00:34:30.559
his craft looks exactly like Billy Myers. Well, yes and no. I

445
00:34:30.599 --> 00:34:37.559
mean again, this is where people
have got to not be fooled by anybody's

446
00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:39.719
photographs on the basis of I if
you don't know what you're looking for,

447
00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:45.840
you're gonna miss it. Because Phil
does really nice models and good visual effects.

448
00:34:45.159 --> 00:34:49.199
I told him that. But I
also helped him correct one of his

449
00:34:49.280 --> 00:34:52.239
films because he got it wrong,
and I helped him. I'll go through

450
00:34:52.239 --> 00:34:53.960
that in a minute, but let
me direct you to something that I sent

451
00:34:54.039 --> 00:34:58.039
to you guys, and I have
it up online now. I've got a

452
00:34:58.039 --> 00:35:00.760
page called the Special Evidence. I
lead it off with, oh, I

453
00:35:00.760 --> 00:35:07.440
don't know, more than a half
dozen different photographs taken by other people from

454
00:35:07.519 --> 00:35:14.800
the nineties into two thousands of the
play Aron being ships broad daylight and summ

455
00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:19.079
at night. Here's the problem.
We can tell from the photograph and from

456
00:35:19.239 --> 00:35:24.000
the blow up these are not I'm
sure, go ahead, Oh no,

457
00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:30.760
I know exactly what the problem with
those is that there they are saucer shaped

458
00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:37.639
objects that are often in the distance. But that's the most popular window.

459
00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:43.760
We have dozens and dozens of these
types of pictures here in Windows collection,

460
00:35:43.960 --> 00:35:47.800
and there's a lot of legitimate pictures
out there all around the world of these

461
00:35:50.320 --> 00:35:54.639
type of objects. You're I think
you're jumping a little ahead here after the

462
00:35:54.639 --> 00:36:00.119
ones taken by the different people who
are connect to the myre case, and

463
00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:06.400
these are broad daylight objects in the
distance, hovering over mountains. They're clearly

464
00:36:06.559 --> 00:36:10.880
not little Phil Langdon models up close
and and me really just took a look.

465
00:36:12.280 --> 00:36:17.400
Then we have a series of photographs
taken by a Swiss skeptic. Five

466
00:36:17.440 --> 00:36:22.000
of those photos were taken at night
and two of them in the daytime.

467
00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:27.800
They show the play rn spacecraft.
This is why I'm going to say to

468
00:36:27.800 --> 00:36:32.440
you. Look, if you're gonna
talk about UFO photos at this stage of

469
00:36:32.519 --> 00:36:37.840
life, for everybody, frankly,
it's a dead end. We've got the

470
00:36:37.880 --> 00:36:42.880
best testing, they were analyzed,
I don't know you've got you haven't proven

471
00:36:42.960 --> 00:36:46.079
the backpact. And not only that, but that's an unnamed sourus. The

472
00:36:46.239 --> 00:36:52.880
skeptic is an unnamed person. So
so what Look, let me ask you,

473
00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:57.519
I can't use an unnamed sourus if
you're if you're talking about legitimate that.

474
00:36:58.239 --> 00:37:01.519
We have six other people who names
we know, and they took photos.

475
00:37:01.559 --> 00:37:05.519
But here's the question to you.
I said I had some Okay,

476
00:37:05.719 --> 00:37:07.800
let's just say, let's just say, just for the sake of discussion,

477
00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:13.719
that the testing that was done by
you know, the investigative team, at

478
00:37:13.760 --> 00:37:17.960
their own expense, showed that these
were authentic. If the Myer case is

479
00:37:17.960 --> 00:37:22.760
true, what will it mean to
you? Just that's all. What if

480
00:37:22.760 --> 00:37:27.159
the case is true, what will
it mean to you? Well, to

481
00:37:27.199 --> 00:37:29.639
me, it would mean a lot. I mean, like I said,

482
00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:35.400
I've always wanted the taste to be
true, and for the most part,

483
00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:38.159
well up until recently, I've held, you know, a stronger hope that

484
00:37:38.199 --> 00:37:44.519
it was true. But if it
was true, It certainly doesn't mean to

485
00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:47.519
me the same things it would mean
to you. In other words, what

486
00:37:47.559 --> 00:37:53.679
it would mean to me is that
then this is a gentleman who did capture

487
00:37:54.599 --> 00:38:01.719
advanced technology on film and on pictures, and who believes he is in communication

488
00:38:02.960 --> 00:38:07.800
with these guys, and so then
it would mean a closer look. He

489
00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:14.480
wouldn't be the first of these people. In fact, there are others who

490
00:38:14.519 --> 00:38:21.039
really who's evidence probably stands up a
little stronger. For instance, Travis Walton,

491
00:38:22.639 --> 00:38:28.679
many witness Travis in his King Travis
Walton only has Travis Walton has a

492
00:38:28.719 --> 00:38:34.800
handful of witnesses to some phenomenon.
Billy Meyer has something close to one hundred

493
00:38:34.880 --> 00:38:39.960
witnesses, seventeen of whom has taken
light detecture chests and who have witnessed multiple

494
00:38:40.039 --> 00:38:45.599
events, five to seven of them
who photographs the craft themselves. Now,

495
00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:53.559
really the Travis Walton case, here's
what I'm say. The craft that you're

496
00:38:53.599 --> 00:38:58.840
talking about, if you're talking about
those pictures you sent me, I mean,

497
00:38:59.119 --> 00:39:01.239
first of all, like you said, these weren't all people that were

498
00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:07.320
around Meyer, and the craft are
similar to other craft taken by other people.

499
00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:12.519
I mean, it doesn't doesn't mean
that the same people. That doesn't

500
00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:16.840
The one you can tell it is
the same craft is the anonymous source.

501
00:39:19.039 --> 00:39:22.400
Now the other ones, if you
look, they're very consistent with the shape

502
00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:27.360
of the beam ships. And I
have witnesses people that I know who have

503
00:39:27.519 --> 00:39:30.639
seen the ships come over the center
in Switzerland. This is recently, is

504
00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:36.199
a couple of years ago. I'm
trying to explain something that's a little different.

505
00:39:36.280 --> 00:39:37.360
I asked you what would it mean
to you, and you'd say,

506
00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:42.199
well, okay, that he's taking
photographs. Okay, so you said it

507
00:39:42.280 --> 00:39:45.920
would mean that he was taking photographs
of advanced technology and that he believed that

508
00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:49.960
he was in touch with people.
Yea, Now this is where I have

509
00:39:50.119 --> 00:39:57.159
to start shaking the blanket out here. Belief in my world has no value.

510
00:39:57.360 --> 00:40:01.599
So what is the reason if there
are extraterrestrials, if there really are,

511
00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:06.280
why would they come? Is it
to give us light shows? Is

512
00:40:06.320 --> 00:40:09.000
it to create activity for move on, which pardon me, but to the

513
00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:15.119
best of my knowledge, has produced
the zero valuable evidence in forty to fifty

514
00:40:15.199 --> 00:40:21.119
years. Or is it another reason? Could it be that there is a

515
00:40:21.239 --> 00:40:25.519
reason that advanced humans or whatever you
want to call them have come light years

516
00:40:25.800 --> 00:40:30.960
from the depths of space to play
a little hide and go seek to operate.

517
00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:35.000
Perhaps maybe a term you would understand
a little bit like the trickster,

518
00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:40.679
who would not put everything on the
plate for us. Instead, they would

519
00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:45.480
kind of force us to piece things
together with our own experiences, with evidence,

520
00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:51.840
using our own intelligence, our own
spirituality and intellect to come up with

521
00:40:51.920 --> 00:40:55.480
these connections. And instead of forcing
it on us and laying it out so

522
00:40:55.559 --> 00:41:00.000
that we have no choice but to
believe, as you said, they're gonna

523
00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:02.880
make us work for it, and
they're gonna make it difficult, not only

524
00:41:02.920 --> 00:41:07.079
for us, but probably for the
guy who's got the task bringing it forward.

525
00:41:07.400 --> 00:41:12.440
So what would that See when I
asked you this question, Now,

526
00:41:12.480 --> 00:41:15.599
that's great, this is where I
wanted to get to, and we would

527
00:41:15.800 --> 00:41:20.239
here early, but go ahead.
I'm sorry, good, but that's all

528
00:41:20.360 --> 00:41:23.000
right. See here's the thing.
Let's say this case was ongoing, which

529
00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:27.119
it is, and it was happening
in Saint Louis right now, would you

530
00:41:27.199 --> 00:41:31.320
go there to check it out as
a as a UFO investigator And this stuff

531
00:41:31.400 --> 00:41:36.719
is so difficult you can't always do
that, I mean, unfortunately, Well

532
00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:40.320
it's part of the difficulty. Uh, you know, we don't always have

533
00:41:40.519 --> 00:41:44.360
access, and that's what happens with
mouf on a lot of the times.

534
00:41:44.960 --> 00:41:47.679
Uh let me, I know.
But I said, if this was happening

535
00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:55.480
locally, relatively locally and okay,
so you probably would do the same thing

536
00:41:55.480 --> 00:41:58.719
if it was New York City too. I mean, you know here it's

537
00:41:58.719 --> 00:42:01.280
not and little stretch. If you
had to get on a plane and you

538
00:42:01.320 --> 00:42:06.480
went to Switzerland. If this was
really going on and going on today,

539
00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:12.920
wouldn't we think that the people who
are most interested in this field and getting

540
00:42:12.960 --> 00:42:16.079
to the truth of it would find
a way to go and look into this

541
00:42:16.159 --> 00:42:22.679
themselves. But when you touch and
get on it earlier, m is that

542
00:42:23.159 --> 00:42:27.360
just like you've said, this is
the hard part. If there's a little

543
00:42:27.400 --> 00:42:30.840
bit of this trick strain here where
they're giving us pieces and parts but they're

544
00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:35.400
not giving it at all to us, that certainly would be something that's going

545
00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:37.800
on in this case. And you
asked a question, why would someone come

546
00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:42.000
so far to do something like that? Now, I believe that that is

547
00:42:42.199 --> 00:42:45.639
sort of what's going on, But
it's certainly if the Billy Meyer case is

548
00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:50.840
real, that would be what's going
on. They give Billy Meyer a model

549
00:42:50.840 --> 00:42:54.239
of a UFO, then they take
it away. They give Billy Meyer a

550
00:42:54.360 --> 00:43:00.239
laser gun that looks absolutely ridiculous,
and I believe the laser got it all.

551
00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:02.880
But let's say it's real. Let's
say it's real. They give it

552
00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:07.760
to him and then they take it
away. They give him all of this

553
00:43:07.880 --> 00:43:12.000
stuff that would be evident, and
then they take it away. So they

554
00:43:12.199 --> 00:43:17.039
obviously would be acting if they're real, like this trickster to get giving stuff

555
00:43:17.079 --> 00:43:22.159
and taking it away. So you
couldn't blame It's part of even their method.

556
00:43:22.239 --> 00:43:25.719
You couldn't blame other researchers for having
doubts. And when you're talking about

557
00:43:25.719 --> 00:43:30.320
going to Switzerland and for these guys
who have families and who have jobs,

558
00:43:30.639 --> 00:43:37.639
to spend thousands of dollars to go
out there and investigate when you know they

559
00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:40.519
have a host of other cases that
they feel are legitimate. It's a lot

560
00:43:40.559 --> 00:43:45.119
to ask and too much. And
let me give you let me give you

561
00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:50.719
a response to that. Okay,
First of all, the as I said

562
00:43:50.760 --> 00:43:52.000
before, and I know we're going
to get more strongly into it, it

563
00:43:52.119 --> 00:43:57.320
is actually very easy to know if
the Meyer case is true or not.

564
00:43:57.960 --> 00:44:00.000
And I said there's a reason for
it, and we're coming to that.

565
00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:06.480
However, let's back up, with
all due respect to any and everybody caring

566
00:44:06.519 --> 00:44:10.159
on about UFO cases, I will
say the following. It's Meyer's opinion,

567
00:44:10.159 --> 00:44:14.679
and I happen to share it as
someone who's had six UFO sightings myself.

568
00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:19.239
They are saying that the majority of
this is simply terrestrial craft. There are

569
00:44:19.239 --> 00:44:22.559
no et contacts going on. Oh. People get all excited when they hear

570
00:44:22.599 --> 00:44:28.239
that. They get angry, but
they can't produce one piece of verifiable evidence

571
00:44:28.639 --> 00:44:32.679
that something is extraterrestrial and that there's
a significance and a reason for it.

572
00:44:32.840 --> 00:44:37.800
Now, I will come to this
about people spending thousands of dollars. I

573
00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:40.800
am a guy who's gotten by in
life on a very very modest level.

574
00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:45.519
I have paid for everything myself.
They don't fly me to Switzerland, they

575
00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:49.639
don't put me up, they don't
wind me and dine me. I find

576
00:44:49.639 --> 00:44:53.280
a way to do it because of
one simple thing. If this is true,

577
00:44:53.320 --> 00:44:59.719
Alejandro, it's the most important story
in human history. If it's not,

578
00:45:00.920 --> 00:45:06.639
it really is the best and impenetrable
hoax, lasting seven decades. One

579
00:45:06.679 --> 00:45:12.360
man with one hand who is produced
six categories of physical evidence. We're still

580
00:45:12.719 --> 00:45:17.000
arguing about in twenty six thousand pages
of information, where the actual proof of

581
00:45:17.039 --> 00:45:24.599
the extra terrestrial contact, why it
is inescapable? It is what drives the

582
00:45:24.599 --> 00:45:30.760
skeptics nuts. It drives the skeptics
so nuts that I have now had two

583
00:45:30.800 --> 00:45:35.559
occasions with an astronomer who has an
online blog, guy named Stuart Robbins,

584
00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:42.599
where he cannot respond, he refuses, he demanded evidence. I gave it

585
00:45:42.599 --> 00:45:49.199
to him, and he folded hundreds
of posts going on his friends and minions

586
00:45:49.239 --> 00:45:52.159
attacking me. There's no shortage of
that, claiming all sorts of stuff.

587
00:45:52.199 --> 00:46:04.519
And yet we produce copyrighted, dated, published documentation that Billy Meyer published scientific

588
00:46:04.639 --> 00:46:12.400
information on some of the most important
discoveries in this in the last century before

589
00:46:12.960 --> 00:46:17.719
they occurred. Now that has to
think in take all your UFO theories,

590
00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:22.320
state your sounds and your fishing lines
and your sound and now forget it.

591
00:46:23.360 --> 00:46:29.840
This does not exist anywhere in ufology, and open Minds is sitting on a

592
00:46:29.840 --> 00:46:34.679
lot of this. You know this, you know this ends the UFO field.

593
00:46:34.719 --> 00:46:38.599
I'm sorry. If what I'm telling
you is true. If Meyer indeed

594
00:46:38.960 --> 00:46:44.360
published that there were two planets,
beyond Pluto to be discovered around the turn

595
00:46:44.360 --> 00:46:49.320
of the century. It was true, it was true, we documented it,

596
00:46:49.639 --> 00:46:52.920
but it's not true that there are
only two planets beyond Pluto. Didn't

597
00:46:52.920 --> 00:46:57.719
say too. She said two would
be discovered right around the turn of the

598
00:46:57.719 --> 00:47:02.679
center, and we withdraw that that
we would find at least two quote unquote

599
00:47:02.800 --> 00:47:07.039
can roll the well, I've rolled
a dive before. I asked you,

600
00:47:07.079 --> 00:47:13.480
do you know any but people,
especially when it's your job, I'm going

601
00:47:13.519 --> 00:47:20.159
to come ask you with it,
Alejandrawait. Skepticism is one thing. Your

602
00:47:20.239 --> 00:47:23.159
library with Wendell stuff, has a
book you've got. I sent you those

603
00:47:23.199 --> 00:47:28.920
photos. They're copyrighted, data published. Wendell speaks about that, you know,

604
00:47:28.960 --> 00:47:32.000
Pluto information, and it's right there. Now, what's interesting about that

605
00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:37.239
isn't even the Pluto information. Those
two discoveries, those specific two happened right

606
00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:42.440
around the turn of the century.
But what's interesting he speaks about the one

607
00:47:42.480 --> 00:47:47.960
hundred and fifteenth contact from October nineteenth, nineteen seventy eight. There's a whole

608
00:47:49.000 --> 00:47:52.239
bunch of predictions in there that Wendell
saw and he wasn't supposed to. When

609
00:47:52.239 --> 00:47:57.719
he's talking about it, he mentions
Jupiter and some moons. Now, why

610
00:47:57.840 --> 00:48:00.280
is this important? Now? And
now I'm going to give you some thing

611
00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:02.920
that if you really think you can
debunk this, you go ahead and take

612
00:48:02.960 --> 00:48:08.559
your shot. Here's the story.
Billy Meyer in October nineteenth, nineteen seventy

613
00:48:08.599 --> 00:48:14.800
eight, was apparently taken up close
to see Jupiter and to confirm that it

614
00:48:14.840 --> 00:48:19.920
had rings. He saw that there
was a moon called Io. He described

615
00:48:19.920 --> 00:48:23.320
that as being the most volcanically active
body in the Solar System. He said

616
00:48:23.360 --> 00:48:30.239
that the dust particles and the ejective
from the volcanoes not only fell back onto

617
00:48:30.280 --> 00:48:35.159
Ile, but they comprised one of
the rings of Jupiter. He said all

618
00:48:35.159 --> 00:48:40.400
sorts of detailed stuff about this.
Now on March ninth, you'll see it

619
00:48:40.480 --> 00:48:44.840
right on that page that you've got
in that book. Wendell says, I

620
00:48:44.960 --> 00:48:49.239
had this information in my hands March
ninth. Now he doesn't even refer to

621
00:48:49.320 --> 00:48:53.519
Io. He never did. He
never noticed it. But here's what happened.

622
00:48:53.679 --> 00:49:00.559
Three days later, Monday, March
twelfth, nineteen seventy nine, NASA

623
00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:02.760
makes an announcement. I don't know
if you heard. Did you hear that

624
00:49:02.800 --> 00:49:12.719
announcement? Probably not. And the
announcement was the most important discovery of the

625
00:49:12.840 --> 00:49:21.960
voyager mission is that Ile is the
most volcanically active body in the Solar System.

626
00:49:22.440 --> 00:49:28.280
And when it was that information made
at public that Billy Meyer had said

627
00:49:28.280 --> 00:49:35.760
that no later than three days before, but Meyer had already published it in

628
00:49:35.840 --> 00:49:43.480
nineteen seventy eight October, when he
published his and disseminated his nemeographed copies that

629
00:49:43.679 --> 00:49:46.880
did not include the predictions that he
was not allowed to share that Wendell got

630
00:49:46.880 --> 00:49:52.039
by accident, which may be in
your possession, signed off by two other

631
00:49:52.119 --> 00:49:57.280
guys, one from the Flanderal Planetarium
and another guy Lieutenant major in the Air

632
00:49:57.320 --> 00:50:04.400
Force. Now followed a skeptic tried
to debunk this, and this last week

633
00:50:04.480 --> 00:50:07.440
I put up a document and I
think you guys have it. You'll be

634
00:50:07.440 --> 00:50:10.239
able to run it up. By
the end of the show people can go

635
00:50:10.280 --> 00:50:15.400
and see it. I shred every
bit of debunking and show that the skeptic

636
00:50:15.599 --> 00:50:22.719
himself stated effectively the very thing he
claimed he was debunking. He said,

637
00:50:23.039 --> 00:50:29.719
there were never any you know,
sulfur particles found in the in the rings

638
00:50:30.239 --> 00:50:37.719
of Jupiter. Well that's not true, and he even quotes a place where

639
00:50:37.440 --> 00:50:43.000
where they exist and It drove me
crazy to see it, so obviously I

640
00:50:43.079 --> 00:50:49.280
put up you know, a nice
little you know now, just the understand.

641
00:50:49.559 --> 00:50:52.079
In nineteen seventy six, Meyer published
information on three discoveries that would be

642
00:50:52.119 --> 00:50:57.280
made on Mars that happened, and
I think it was two thousand and eight

643
00:50:57.960 --> 00:51:01.400
he published information on discovery in Venus, one year before the Russian probe got

644
00:51:01.400 --> 00:51:07.760
there and confirmed them. It goes
on and on. He published I think

645
00:51:07.880 --> 00:51:12.400
though he published them in environment on
the figure website because we never saw them.

646
00:51:12.480 --> 00:51:15.480
These weren't published here until like two
thousand and one, not until like

647
00:51:15.599 --> 00:51:20.960
Moosebooger's book and Wendel and these were
years later. Years, these were even

648
00:51:21.039 --> 00:51:23.840
after these events took place. Well, no, here, look, I

649
00:51:23.880 --> 00:51:27.920
can give you some I mean,
I could do this all day long,

650
00:51:27.960 --> 00:51:31.280
but here's I've given examples and something
that's easy to check out. In nineteen

651
00:51:31.360 --> 00:51:37.440
eighty seven, Meyer published something called
the Hennock Prophecies. They're on my website.

652
00:51:37.480 --> 00:51:39.960
I put them up in two thousand
and two. You know, that

653
00:51:40.079 --> 00:51:43.719
is an easy record to find out. They've been up there for years.

654
00:51:43.719 --> 00:51:46.000
They've been referred to on the internet. Okay. One of the odd little

655
00:51:46.000 --> 00:51:51.199
things that struck me about the Hennock
prophecies, and there were many, was

656
00:51:51.239 --> 00:51:54.519
it? Meyer went and said,
of all the crazy things Russia, and

657
00:51:54.639 --> 00:52:00.199
they don't give dates. He sais
Russia will at a certain point invade Scandinavia.

658
00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:05.280
They will invade Iran and Turkey and
then ultimately come across Alaska an attack

659
00:52:05.400 --> 00:52:10.800
on the US. Russia will launch
its attack from Arkanzelsk. What the heck

660
00:52:10.840 --> 00:52:14.199
is in Arkanjelsk. I've never heard
of it, have you? Do?

661
00:52:14.199 --> 00:52:17.239
You know what in Arkandelski is?
Okay? Good? We were in the

662
00:52:17.239 --> 00:52:27.280
same boat within the last two months, within the last two months, and

663
00:52:27.400 --> 00:52:31.960
I will give it to you as
close to the date as I possibly can.

664
00:52:35.119 --> 00:52:43.800
The Russians announced something very interesting.
They announced trup movements into Arkanzelsk.

665
00:52:43.800 --> 00:52:49.639
Oh another coincidence? Is it?
They announced that in July, like two

666
00:52:49.679 --> 00:52:57.039
months ago, deploying two army brigades
to Arkanshalls. Oh? Okay? Now,

667
00:52:57.079 --> 00:53:00.519
what about the discovery of extraterrestrial DNA
on meteor Right, it was just

668
00:53:00.679 --> 00:53:05.440
made recently, that's announced it?
Well, my I had already published that

669
00:53:05.480 --> 00:53:08.400
in nineteen eighty eight, you know, perhaps in nineteen eighty two. He

670
00:53:08.559 --> 00:53:16.119
describes touch screen technology in one of
the spacecraft while he's being shown a planetary

671
00:53:16.199 --> 00:53:24.719
alignment. You know that he warned
since the fifties about the atomic testing because

672
00:53:24.760 --> 00:53:30.440
it was going to damage the ozone
in nineteen eighty eight, two years after.

673
00:53:30.679 --> 00:53:35.559
But this is a problem, and
you have not demonstrated this well if

674
00:53:35.719 --> 00:53:39.880
indeed these all were made prior to
when they were discovered. Now this Russian

675
00:53:39.920 --> 00:53:44.519
one, of course, is something
different, because all of these books that

676
00:53:44.679 --> 00:53:52.199
came out with these predictions are all
after these events, talking about no,

677
00:53:52.400 --> 00:53:53.880
no, no, no, the
World Trade Center. That book came out

678
00:53:53.880 --> 00:53:58.119
what in two thousand and one,
two thousand and two, saying that he

679
00:53:58.239 --> 00:54:04.039
made this prediction many many years earlier. There are some things. If people

680
00:54:04.079 --> 00:54:07.320
say that we can't buy the World
Trade Center, think I say fine,

681
00:54:07.599 --> 00:54:10.280
but no, no, you're missing
something. Just about all of this exists

682
00:54:10.360 --> 00:54:15.840
in German first, and then in
English. Those German books and publications for

683
00:54:15.920 --> 00:54:22.880
instances. On my website, we
have this very very famous thing that I've

684
00:54:22.880 --> 00:54:27.920
stuck up there about the fifty one
hundred year old man. What's that?

685
00:54:28.679 --> 00:54:32.639
Well Meyer was told in nineteen ninety
one that there would be an Iceman mummy

686
00:54:32.880 --> 00:54:37.800
discovered in the Alps, and he
was told about how this guy lived and

687
00:54:37.840 --> 00:54:43.239
everything else, and how he died. He published it in his group members

688
00:54:43.800 --> 00:54:45.800
nineteen ninety one, and of course
it was discovered later that year. But

689
00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:51.599
he did something else that you can
see on my website because we show the

690
00:54:51.760 --> 00:54:58.039
copyrighted, published dated cover of the
book. It was in from nineteen ninety

691
00:54:58.079 --> 00:55:00.960
six. Well wait, that's five
years years later. Why would I talk

692
00:55:01.000 --> 00:55:07.719
about it? Because Alejandro in two
thousand and one, ten years after Meyer

693
00:55:07.880 --> 00:55:13.840
claims he first got the information,
five years after we know it's published,

694
00:55:15.440 --> 00:55:22.360
scientists bring the Iceman mummy into a
hospital in Italy. Why they want to

695
00:55:22.360 --> 00:55:24.559
find out what killed this guy?
We've got CT scan now we could probably

696
00:55:24.599 --> 00:55:30.079
figure it out. What did they
find? Well, they found fractured skull,

697
00:55:30.960 --> 00:55:35.239
and they found something else. They
found an arrowhead in his back.

698
00:55:36.239 --> 00:55:42.039
Now, when you go to Meyer's
nineteen ninety six book, when you go

699
00:55:42.239 --> 00:55:47.400
there, what do you think you
find? When Meyer asks what killed this

700
00:55:47.480 --> 00:55:53.440
guy? What do you think you
find? You find that He's told,

701
00:55:54.199 --> 00:56:00.840
well, this man fell down from
a height. Okay, so how do

702
00:56:01.480 --> 00:56:06.360
he landed on his back? Oh? He must have hit his head and

703
00:56:06.440 --> 00:56:14.199
he landed Alejandro on an arrow Now, have you ever done anything on tape?

704
00:56:14.320 --> 00:56:17.280
He would be very good at doing. Thank you. I'll be glad

705
00:56:17.400 --> 00:56:21.960
to do it, but I don't. Here's what I'm saying. Fine,

706
00:56:22.000 --> 00:56:25.079
And I thought we would get to
this because the problem is it's impossible,

707
00:56:25.599 --> 00:56:35.440
it is nearly impossible to research these
alleged predictions that come true from your website.

708
00:56:35.599 --> 00:56:39.000
Everything's so and then when you get
into most of the work that's been

709
00:56:39.039 --> 00:56:45.800
done on this case, it's so
unorganized, it's so contradictory that if you

710
00:56:46.000 --> 00:56:52.159
could demonstrate that and put that more
succinctly on your site, I think you

711
00:56:52.480 --> 00:56:57.079
would people would be much more convinced. And I guess what, partially,

712
00:56:57.159 --> 00:57:00.480
And I'm telling you, I'm open
minded to these things that you're telling me

713
00:57:00.559 --> 00:57:04.480
right now. And I certainly wouldn't
say that's a bunch of yes because I

714
00:57:04.519 --> 00:57:08.000
don't know better, and I believe
you. I'd like to see this better

715
00:57:08.360 --> 00:57:15.159
so I could otherwise, how can
you expect these move on investigators to believe

716
00:57:15.159 --> 00:57:16.719
any of this? If it's not, I'll tell you. You know,

717
00:57:16.920 --> 00:57:22.039
organized put well, And then when
you have what is out there is the

718
00:57:22.159 --> 00:57:25.719
ray gun, the model that the
aliens gave him and took him, took

719
00:57:25.760 --> 00:57:31.880
away you have whoa Kim? Respectfully? Can we come back to this thing

720
00:57:31.920 --> 00:57:37.199
about organized evidence, Just just so
you know, I have an article on

721
00:57:37.239 --> 00:57:43.440
my website. I have a whole
page about corroborated evidence, the corroborated evidence.

722
00:57:43.840 --> 00:57:50.760
Now I organized that whole page just
so good folks could go and look

723
00:57:50.920 --> 00:57:55.559
and find this stuff. It's called
corroborated information. Now I have an article

724
00:57:55.599 --> 00:57:59.880
there at that's at the very top, and it's called will Humanity Wake Up?

725
00:58:00.559 --> 00:58:02.679
Alle hundred? I have organized it, you will bet as. I've

726
00:58:02.760 --> 00:58:14.760
laundry listed something like one hundred and
fifty specific, separate, scientifically validated items

727
00:58:14.800 --> 00:58:20.639
that Meyer published. First, I've
linked to a guy's video. He even

728
00:58:20.679 --> 00:58:23.840
put it on videos so it's even
easier for people to see. He shows

729
00:58:23.880 --> 00:58:30.199
the corroborated information, and I linked
to the reports. We linked to a

730
00:58:30.280 --> 00:58:35.199
site where you can read the reports. And you guys have four books.

731
00:58:35.960 --> 00:58:38.559
And in the way I'm telling you, that's what I'm trying to tell you,

732
00:58:38.719 --> 00:58:45.320
none of these demonstrate evident you're corroborated. I've gone through that. You

733
00:58:45.400 --> 00:58:49.559
make a lot of claims, but
you don't show any evidence for these things.

734
00:58:49.599 --> 00:58:53.199
And I'm not saying the evidence doesn't
exist, but you certainly aren't demonstrating

735
00:58:53.199 --> 00:58:58.639
it by making these claims that Billy
Meyer said this in seventy five, but

736
00:58:58.719 --> 00:59:00.920
it wasn't until two thousand than one
that it came out in some book.

737
00:59:01.239 --> 00:59:05.920
But scientists talked about it in nineteen
eighty one. I mean, it's all

738
00:59:05.920 --> 00:59:09.239
the way over the place, it
isn't I think you're missing something here,

739
00:59:09.239 --> 00:59:13.679
And I want to get through to
you on this because it really is important

740
00:59:13.679 --> 00:59:16.719
and your concern is important, or
you know, you wouldn't you wouldn't be

741
00:59:16.800 --> 00:59:22.119
driving on that look in nineteen I'm
going to give it to this this simply

742
00:59:22.199 --> 00:59:27.039
because you had. Do you know
in what contact Meyer was told about the

743
00:59:27.039 --> 00:59:32.119
A bomb explosions being connected to the
uh ozone testing. Do you know what

744
00:59:32.119 --> 00:59:39.239
that is? I've read it a
jillion times. I'll say it's Contact thirty

745
00:59:39.280 --> 00:59:46.840
five and Contact seven. Hey,
I got to tell you something. Those

746
00:59:46.960 --> 00:59:52.320
are in Wendell Stevens copyrighted that.
He published books, And here's how I

747
00:59:52.440 --> 00:59:57.280
knew the case was real in nineteen
eighty eight. This Mike didn't come out

748
00:59:57.360 --> 01:00:02.320
until after No the content. Bear
with me, I'm going to give it

749
01:00:02.360 --> 01:00:08.039
to you. The first thing that
happened was that the contact reports in mimeograph

750
01:00:08.159 --> 01:00:15.400
form came out in the late well
actually early in the mid nineteen eighties,

751
01:00:15.920 --> 01:00:22.039
were around nineteen eighty. Wendell Stevens
was working on getting these things translated by

752
01:00:22.079 --> 01:00:27.239
about nineteen seventy eight. Now,
and I can you know, if you

753
01:00:27.239 --> 01:00:30.199
want to get technical, I'll show
you why this stuff was before his copyright

754
01:00:30.280 --> 01:00:35.320
dates, because in the days of
books being typeset and taking years to do.

755
01:00:35.519 --> 01:00:38.440
Now, let's get to this point
on the ozone damage. In nineteen

756
01:00:38.559 --> 01:00:43.920
eighty six, I was in a
little cafe in Sedona and a guy named

757
01:00:44.039 --> 01:00:47.920
Ralph Amigron who later changed his name
to Alex Collier, told me to come

758
01:00:49.000 --> 01:00:52.159
up to deck or Canyon and get
the eighteen hundred pages. I got him.

759
01:00:52.360 --> 01:00:55.199
Randy Hinners had him. I know
four or five of the people that

760
01:00:55.360 --> 01:00:59.760
still have the original pages. I
read them all. I stuck them under

761
01:00:59.760 --> 01:01:02.679
the beds. And then one day
in nineteen eighty eight, I opened the

762
01:01:02.679 --> 01:01:08.599
newspaper and I see that little thing
that that article a bomb testing tied to

763
01:01:08.679 --> 01:01:15.280
ozone damage. I read it.
I read the percentages that Lawrence Livermore Laboratories

764
01:01:15.320 --> 01:01:21.920
had published, I said, why
do I know this? Already? I

765
01:01:21.960 --> 01:01:25.639
reached under the bed and there in
the seventh contact, and as you say,

766
01:01:25.719 --> 01:01:30.840
in the thirty fifth or whatever it
is, there there was the information.

767
01:01:31.639 --> 01:01:35.960
Ah, my head spun. But
that was the beginning. Then,

768
01:01:36.199 --> 01:01:42.159
when we went onto this ozone damage
from the gases leading to genetic mutations and

769
01:01:42.239 --> 01:01:45.920
damaging the food chain in nineteen ninety
one, I went, wait a minute,

770
01:01:45.960 --> 01:01:50.519
why do I know that already?
Of course that was still back in

771
01:01:50.559 --> 01:01:54.960
the my material in Wendel's books later, but in the contact reports as early

772
01:01:55.320 --> 01:01:59.960
at least as eighty six when I
got them, which means they were circular

773
01:02:00.320 --> 01:02:05.199
at least a few years earlier.
What about this whole connection of earthquakes and

774
01:02:05.280 --> 01:02:09.599
volcanic activity tied to oil extraction and
gas extraction. Well, when I read

775
01:02:09.639 --> 01:02:14.880
that one, I said, why
do I know that? Well, that's

776
01:02:15.000 --> 01:02:17.639
back there in the you know,
in the it's in the same thing.

777
01:02:17.679 --> 01:02:22.519
It's in Meyer's context from the forty
fifth contact. But now I'm reading it

778
01:02:22.559 --> 01:02:28.360
in nineteen ninety. I read it
first in eighty six. Nobody's gonna tell

779
01:02:28.400 --> 01:02:34.239
me if this guy isn't onto something. Well, and I have one last

780
01:02:34.280 --> 01:02:37.880
thing, Okay, I organized an
article called will Humanity Wake Up in Time?

781
01:02:38.440 --> 01:02:45.280
I put links to every single one
of Meyer's translated contact reports, and

782
01:02:45.360 --> 01:02:52.800
there's stuff being translated to this day
inverifiably preemptively previously published German. Because more

783
01:02:52.840 --> 01:02:59.000
people own the darn German than the
English, and because they numbered every sentence,

784
01:02:59.360 --> 01:03:05.880
there is no way Meyer could go
back and redact your turn. Okay,

785
01:03:06.159 --> 01:03:10.559
here's what I Okay, I want
to put this, not put it

786
01:03:10.599 --> 01:03:15.960
aside, but okay, to kind
of encapsulate this that the predictions, and

787
01:03:16.320 --> 01:03:22.960
not to say you know that I
personally have a hard opinion either way,

788
01:03:22.159 --> 01:03:25.719
but at least I think I've expressed
why I think people have a hard time

789
01:03:25.840 --> 01:03:30.639
because it's difficult to substantiate. I
feel a lot. It's very easy.

790
01:03:30.679 --> 01:03:34.800
I'm going to argue with this.
It's easy to substantiate if I can do

791
01:03:34.880 --> 01:03:38.400
it. A middle aged folks singer
from the sixties, who's sbody life doing

792
01:03:38.480 --> 01:03:43.280
this on this or I spent a
lot of your life on the case.

793
01:03:44.360 --> 01:03:45.880
Yeah, because it fascinated me.
And I have to raise a kid,

794
01:03:45.880 --> 01:03:50.559
and you do other things and have
all sorts of experiences. But you see,

795
01:03:50.639 --> 01:03:53.719
I did it so that others don't
have to unless they want to walk

796
01:03:53.760 --> 01:03:57.480
through every step they can go,
and then they can try to find out

797
01:03:57.760 --> 01:04:01.079
by cross referencing, like when I
ripped the skeptic a part on IOH.

798
01:04:02.119 --> 01:04:06.360
That means that the case is real. I'm sorry, Alejandro, there's no

799
01:04:06.480 --> 01:04:12.000
way to stop responding to you.
No, no, no no. I

800
01:04:12.119 --> 01:04:17.159
documented his attempted debunking. Right,
this is up there action. Okay,

801
01:04:17.199 --> 01:04:21.280
that's great for arguments. They think, say, okay, you have something

802
01:04:21.440 --> 01:04:29.280
really great here when it comes to
all of these predictions and right, and

803
01:04:29.320 --> 01:04:31.480
I know there are a lot of
them. And one last thing, just

804
01:04:31.559 --> 01:04:36.119
before you get in your other point, I have my own personal evidence the

805
01:04:36.199 --> 01:04:40.760
case is real and I rarely talk
about it. But go ahead. What

806
01:04:40.800 --> 01:04:43.480
were you going to say, Well, you gotta talk about it now.

807
01:04:44.000 --> 01:04:47.400
Okay, Well I'll give you that
in a nutshell. Cal Korff, who

808
01:04:47.400 --> 01:04:50.960
you mentioned your last show. A
couple quick things. Calcorff was never a

809
01:04:51.000 --> 01:04:56.840
member of FIBU. He never met
Billy Meyer. He skulks around the place

810
01:04:57.880 --> 01:05:00.880
in a disguise for reasons nobody can
figure. Since it's not a compound with

811
01:05:01.000 --> 01:05:05.599
people, you know, the armed
guards carrying on. He never, never,

812
01:05:05.760 --> 01:05:11.480
never, look, he falsified Meyer's
photos. How do I know that

813
01:05:11.840 --> 01:05:15.079
the articles on my site? I
met the man he hired to put the

814
01:05:15.119 --> 01:05:18.400
airbrush lines in there, the guy
that came up to me two thousand and

815
01:05:18.440 --> 01:05:23.159
four apologizing. I've got his name. He wrote the article, but here's

816
01:05:23.199 --> 01:05:26.800
my personal evidence. In two thousand
and nine, cal Korff approached me.

817
01:05:27.760 --> 01:05:30.639
We've been, you know, battling
back and forth with a lovely little thing.

818
01:05:30.760 --> 01:05:33.360
Why don't we do a project together? Hi, kal Korff will do

819
01:05:33.480 --> 01:05:39.000
the anti Meyer thing very respectfully on
a DVD, and you, Michael Horn,

820
01:05:39.119 --> 01:05:41.880
will do the pro and you'll send
it to me and I'll package it

821
01:05:41.960 --> 01:05:44.800
up and we'll put it out there. We'll agree to disagree, we won't

822
01:05:44.800 --> 01:05:48.320
be disagreeable. We'll be friends forever. His website suddenly had him walking hand

823
01:05:48.360 --> 01:05:51.440
in hand with me through the flowers. I said, sure, I don't

824
01:05:51.440 --> 01:05:55.960
hold grudges. Okay, you've been
crazy in the past. I'm taking you

825
01:05:56.000 --> 01:05:59.960
at your word. We roll into
November of two thousand and nine. We're

826
01:06:00.119 --> 01:06:02.639
getting ready. He's got questions ready
in all of this. I send an

827
01:06:02.679 --> 01:06:05.639
email to Switzerland. Hey, guys, as you know, I'm going to

828
01:06:05.719 --> 01:06:10.719
do a project with cor If Billy, is there anything you want one way

829
01:06:10.800 --> 01:06:12.199
or the other, He says,
no, you do what you do,

830
01:06:12.679 --> 01:06:17.559
okay. Two days later, I
get an emergency email from Switzerland from Christian

831
01:06:17.559 --> 01:06:23.960
Frend. Michael, hold, don't
move, wait till tomorrow. You're getting

832
01:06:23.960 --> 01:06:27.719
a translation of a contact. Things
are not as you see them. I

833
01:06:27.719 --> 01:06:30.159
said, what okay? Now,
remember I'm going hand in hand. You're

834
01:06:30.159 --> 01:06:33.440
with calcre Billy says, well,
do what you want to do. I

835
01:06:33.480 --> 01:06:36.800
get a transcript. This is all
on my website. People can read it.

836
01:06:36.800 --> 01:06:42.280
It's a matter of record on the
email servers. Bottom line, Michael

837
01:06:42.320 --> 01:06:46.440
Horn does not know that what Calcorff
is planning this comes through the so called

838
01:06:46.440 --> 01:06:51.840
imaginary play art, is a tremendous
attack on the case, using him as

839
01:06:51.880 --> 01:06:56.800
a vehicle, using Michael Horn on
this project as a vehicle to spread more

840
01:06:56.840 --> 01:07:00.360
disinformation, falsification, you name it. Michael has no way of knowing,

841
01:07:00.920 --> 01:07:05.400
but we would recommend that he stopped. Okay, because time is short.

842
01:07:05.480 --> 01:07:10.400
I found a relatively gracious way to
back out. Sorry, cal you never

843
01:07:10.440 --> 01:07:12.880
sent me a contract. I'm busy. Do what you want to do.

844
01:07:13.840 --> 01:07:18.840
Two days after it was clear the
course his website had no less than three

845
01:07:19.000 --> 01:07:26.320
hundred already prepared at tax against US
and death threats. Now you may have

846
01:07:26.360 --> 01:07:30.559
an idea of just what it takes
a one hundred to get somebody to take

847
01:07:30.599 --> 01:07:36.679
something off the Internet. I had
three web hosting companies take down his site,

848
01:07:38.280 --> 01:07:41.719
one in the UK, two in
the US. He finally got another

849
01:07:41.760 --> 01:07:45.199
guy to put it up, and
he finally only after he'd removed the death

850
01:07:45.239 --> 01:07:50.119
threats. How did the imaginary play
er and know that this guy was loaded

851
01:07:50.199 --> 01:07:54.119
for bear? Oh, well,
it's a coincidence, and nobody's going to

852
01:07:54.159 --> 01:07:58.400
believe it's not org. It's my
experience, and I have the email with

853
01:07:58.480 --> 01:08:02.559
the transcripts I have. I put
Calcorf's emails up. This was we are

854
01:08:02.679 --> 01:08:08.159
walking through the flowers, and then
he had all this stuff ready. He

855
01:08:08.360 --> 01:08:11.079
was going to put it on DVDs
and I was going to be out there

856
01:08:11.119 --> 01:08:14.079
promoting it. Yeah, I'm not
surprised. I mean, he is not

857
01:08:14.280 --> 01:08:17.840
a He doesn't play fair and I
totally understand that. And the only part,

858
01:08:18.319 --> 01:08:24.840
you know, out of the defense
of our article is some of the

859
01:08:24.880 --> 01:08:31.119
things that were demonstrated, some of
the things that are you know, solid.

860
01:08:31.159 --> 01:08:33.600
We didn't take all of his word
for this, that and the other.

861
01:08:34.880 --> 01:08:38.279
Because he has a lot to say
about a lot of stuff, but

862
01:08:38.359 --> 01:08:45.079
that he certainly cannot substantiate claims that
are quite dubious. But but you know,

863
01:08:45.199 --> 01:08:48.520
he can't anything else. But but
look, I would say to you

864
01:08:48.600 --> 01:08:51.800
this. You know, Calcorf,
I gave you that because it's my experience.

865
01:08:51.840 --> 01:08:55.600
We have documentation. It's not you
know, it's not a story I

866
01:08:55.640 --> 01:08:58.119
wove. I've got the names of
the web hosting companies. I said,

867
01:08:58.119 --> 01:09:00.199
oh my god, death threats,
no thing. We don't want the FBI

868
01:09:00.319 --> 01:09:03.720
here. I talk to these guys. You know, I was on phone

869
01:09:03.720 --> 01:09:08.840
internationally an email and they were looking
and this stuff went up overnight, so

870
01:09:09.000 --> 01:09:12.159
I was being set up. Meyer
didn't know. Look, here's what you

871
01:09:12.239 --> 01:09:15.880
have to look at. And I
think as an investigator, honestly, preponderance

872
01:09:15.880 --> 01:09:19.479
of evidence, quality of evidence.
And I'll say one more thing, and

873
01:09:19.560 --> 01:09:26.399
this will I know this will offend
everybody. There are no other worthwhile verifiable

874
01:09:26.479 --> 01:09:30.239
UFO contact cases. And if anybody
objects to that, I say, you

875
01:09:30.439 --> 01:09:33.560
come and meet this criteria and you
can argue about whether you think there's models

876
01:09:33.560 --> 01:09:36.159
here or not, but you're gonna
then have to go through the photo analysis.

877
01:09:36.239 --> 01:09:40.640
I canna say fit. You know, you know I mean all this

878
01:09:40.680 --> 01:09:43.119
stuff, I just you know,
I just want to say this. Bill

879
01:09:43.199 --> 01:09:45.880
Langan says, all right, I
duplicated the sounds on a fishing line.

880
01:09:45.600 --> 01:09:48.800
You think you could hear that four
kilometers away. It's all the stuff that

881
01:09:48.960 --> 01:09:54.000
people don't know and that they won't
admit and they won't say. And yeah,

882
01:09:54.039 --> 01:09:57.640
I've spent almost thirty three years.
So if you say, well it's

883
01:09:57.680 --> 01:10:00.760
too hard to find, I've organized
it. I've got links everywhere, and

884
01:10:01.279 --> 01:10:05.079
I would be even glad it's links
everywhere. Is this organization? I mean,

885
01:10:05.079 --> 01:10:10.920
that's the issue. But regardless,
regardless, when I get to a

886
01:10:10.960 --> 01:10:14.199
couple of points, we're almost out
of time, and you know your points

887
01:10:14.199 --> 01:10:17.479
are well taken, and you know
people will will hear those and and do

888
01:10:17.560 --> 01:10:20.479
what they will with those. But
I wanted to get to two things because

889
01:10:20.479 --> 01:10:26.760
we're almost out of time. One
is, uh, the abduction phenomena.

890
01:10:26.840 --> 01:10:30.279
There you have thousands, if not
tens of thousands of people experiencing this.

891
01:10:30.880 --> 01:10:35.840
Sure, you know, I would
admit there isn't a whole lot of evidence

892
01:10:35.880 --> 01:10:43.000
there. I myself have seen what
I believe to be incontroversial evidence However,

893
01:10:43.520 --> 01:10:45.760
it's just something I saw. It's
not something I can document and prove,

894
01:10:46.319 --> 01:10:50.359
unfortunately, but still there are many
other researchers. But then, what would

895
01:10:50.359 --> 01:10:55.960
you say about that there's a case
when there's more witnesses than the billions.

896
01:10:55.960 --> 01:10:59.640
I'll tell you this, there is. There is not one piece of evidence

897
01:11:00.079 --> 01:11:03.079
that I have seen, including Roger
Lews, have anything else that any reputable

898
01:11:03.079 --> 01:11:06.720
scientists will say we can prove this. There is an extraterrestrial contact. What

899
01:11:06.880 --> 01:11:10.720
has happened? And this you'll find. This is one of the reasons Mayer

900
01:11:10.800 --> 01:11:15.039
has been targeted twenty two times for
death. This is largely secret military stuff.

901
01:11:15.079 --> 01:11:20.680
It's operations that are conducted by private
groups and secret military to create fear,

902
01:11:20.760 --> 01:11:27.079
to set people up for false et
attacks and stuff. There is no

903
01:11:27.279 --> 01:11:30.800
reason, think about it. There
is no reason on earth these phony ideas

904
01:11:30.840 --> 01:11:35.600
of well, we let them abduct
our people in exchange. Anybody that can

905
01:11:35.640 --> 01:11:44.720
float somebody through a wallon here and
put probes up their nostrils doesn't need our

906
01:11:44.760 --> 01:11:48.319
permission, doesn't need to sign agreements. They would do it surreptitiously. Have

907
01:11:48.439 --> 01:11:53.560
there been actual extraterrestrially abductions. I
think there have been a handful. The

908
01:11:53.600 --> 01:11:58.199
rest of it is either secret military
hysteria, dream paralysis, or stuff.

909
01:11:58.199 --> 01:12:02.680
And until people can say I can
demonstrate the extraterrestrial connections, and I can

910
01:12:02.760 --> 01:12:08.640
prove why somebody has come for a
hundred light you're from space to take my

911
01:12:09.279 --> 01:12:15.520
DNA, my useless, worthless,
short lifespan, corrupted, illness laden aggression.

912
01:12:15.199 --> 01:12:20.199
Hey, that's mean. Well,
you know you're talking about your DNA

913
01:12:20.319 --> 01:12:24.960
too, there, buddy, you
bet you. And I'm hoping that it

914
01:12:25.000 --> 01:12:30.159
gets improved in my next incarceration.
Okay, but yeah, so I would

915
01:12:30.159 --> 01:12:33.479
buy the induction thing is proving anything. Now. The what you build your

916
01:12:33.560 --> 01:12:38.560
case on there, though, is
largely because of motive, and the motive

917
01:12:38.560 --> 01:12:44.600
that you have a hard time dealing
with. But okay, let's let's use

918
01:12:44.720 --> 01:12:50.079
that same UH ruler on this case. Okay, you've got a situation.

919
01:12:50.199 --> 01:12:57.720
And now I'm kind of kind of
run through the the what the bad staff

920
01:12:57.880 --> 01:13:00.840
that Billy Meyers played and done that
haven't helped the case? And you can

921
01:13:00.840 --> 01:13:04.079
tell me if I'm off faith here. Okay, So they've given him a

922
01:13:04.119 --> 01:13:10.199
model and then taken it away.
They've given him on one model that we

923
01:13:10.199 --> 01:13:14.039
don't even know was ever appeared in
any photograph where there's twelve different ones.

924
01:13:14.039 --> 01:13:17.399
But go ahead, Okay. Then
they gave him a ridiculous looking laser gun

925
01:13:17.439 --> 01:13:23.600
that looks very similar to a plastic
model. I'll do that one for you.

926
01:13:24.680 --> 01:13:29.399
I did a search online for toy
guns. Now does it look like

927
01:13:29.439 --> 01:13:31.319
a plastic model because of the red
tip or something, or just the way

928
01:13:31.319 --> 01:13:36.720
it looks? Well, funny,
it's plastic, for one. Not only

929
01:13:36.800 --> 01:13:41.199
that, you sent me a picture
of a model of a gun and the

930
01:13:41.199 --> 01:13:47.399
red tip is exactly like the one. Actually isn't I used a magnifying glass,

931
01:13:47.439 --> 01:13:50.720
but it's close. And as I
said on my website, do they

932
01:13:50.760 --> 01:13:54.680
have a sense of humor? Because
here's the deal, the space gun and

933
01:13:54.680 --> 01:13:58.520
you probably got that photograph right there. And if you look at the rest

934
01:13:58.520 --> 01:14:01.880
of that gun, it's a piece
of Now look at the gun in the

935
01:14:01.920 --> 01:14:05.720
Alena photographs and here's a couple things, and you've got these photos. Yeah,

936
01:14:05.840 --> 01:14:09.239
pretty well machined the whole rest of
it. Why would he use a

937
01:14:09.319 --> 01:14:12.359
junk tip and go to the trouble
to machine something, as you say,

938
01:14:12.359 --> 01:14:15.640
out of plastic it could be metallic. Then you get not only that,

939
01:14:15.720 --> 01:14:19.560
you realize, first of all,
red tips as an indicator of a toy,

940
01:14:19.600 --> 01:14:23.880
and that's why this gun was an
anomaly as an indicator of a toy

941
01:14:23.960 --> 01:14:28.680
didn't occur until after the nineties.
That particular gun was never found in Switzerland.

942
01:14:28.680 --> 01:14:32.560
They'd never found a red tip gun. And all those investigations and lastly,

943
01:14:32.680 --> 01:14:39.399
perhaps the holes made through the trees
are oval. They are smooth as

944
01:14:39.479 --> 01:14:45.119
glass all the way through. They
created a cinge line for over one hundred

945
01:14:45.159 --> 01:14:48.000
meters through the forest. This is
all in the books that you guys ow'n

946
01:14:48.560 --> 01:14:55.760
well, we did they He did
not believe there was any burning. No,

947
01:14:55.880 --> 01:14:59.680
that's not true. He measured,
He shin that there wasn't burning.

948
01:14:59.680 --> 01:15:02.119
It was and done by Bernie.
He said that. No, he said

949
01:15:02.840 --> 01:15:08.199
no, no, he said it
wasn't done by using a torch or a

950
01:15:08.199 --> 01:15:13.479
welding thing. He said, whatever
went through here seared the interior of the

951
01:15:13.560 --> 01:15:19.119
tree to a glass smooth hardness,
and that every branch that was burned all

952
01:15:19.119 --> 01:15:24.000
the way through in a straight line
was burned all the way through in a

953
01:15:24.039 --> 01:15:26.319
straight line. I mean, I've
got it on my website, you got

954
01:15:26.319 --> 01:15:29.359
it in the books. Great,
No, that's ic because you're able to

955
01:15:29.359 --> 01:15:31.479
give us some information about that gun. But regardless, the main thing I'm

956
01:15:31.479 --> 01:15:35.000
getting back to anyway, is just
that they gave him this gun and then

957
01:15:35.000 --> 01:15:43.199
they took it away the tree that
the UFO was flying around. They somehow

958
01:15:43.479 --> 01:15:47.000
and you can explain this because there's
several people have done different things. Wendell

959
01:15:47.039 --> 01:15:51.840
said it was taken down. I
believe that Billy Meyer actually said it had

960
01:15:51.840 --> 01:15:58.680
gotten radiation, so the extraterrestrials had
taken it to another time. I'm not

961
01:15:58.800 --> 01:16:03.439
sure, sir. Let me answer
that that's true, and that's real problematic

962
01:16:03.439 --> 01:16:08.680
for people. But here's a beauty. There's a fameless photograph called the sunlight

963
01:16:08.720 --> 01:16:14.520
photo with the tree, and I
know you guys have that, and maybe

964
01:16:14.520 --> 01:16:16.439
you'll show that at the end of
the show here or something. The sunlight

965
01:16:16.479 --> 01:16:19.760
photo. There's a couple of them
where the ship is right, you know,

966
01:16:19.880 --> 01:16:24.479
right by the tree. It's a
barren branch tree. There's five other

967
01:16:24.560 --> 01:16:30.279
trees parts of around. Sunlight's glinting
off of it. They photographed that tree

968
01:16:30.920 --> 01:16:39.319
in a full bloom season and that's
also in wend those photographs. And if

969
01:16:39.359 --> 01:16:41.920
you have trouble for this show to
find it, we can find that.

970
01:16:42.199 --> 01:16:45.520
I'll get it for you. That
tree was well over forty feet tall.

971
01:16:46.039 --> 01:16:50.199
That tree was there for years and
years. They photographed it as a matter

972
01:16:50.279 --> 01:16:55.680
of fact on my website. I've
got I think it's an article called the

973
01:16:55.720 --> 01:17:00.840
Final Proof. Meyer and the Japanese
filter door walk up a hill in a

974
01:17:00.960 --> 01:17:06.760
video clip to the tree. It's
there. So this is Oh, yeah,

975
01:17:06.800 --> 01:17:11.199
it's a model tree. You know, that's why I disappeared. Huh,

976
01:17:11.560 --> 01:17:15.039
funny story on two trees. I
can't prove that, you know.

977
01:17:15.119 --> 01:17:19.720
Oh, but the tree did bake
care those other trees were gone. But

978
01:17:20.000 --> 01:17:25.800
the photographs, when you analyze as
Jim deirdor did you analyze the UFO's and

979
01:17:25.840 --> 01:17:30.760
the photograph, they are showing large
models at a distance from the camera with

980
01:17:30.039 --> 01:17:35.760
close up stuff in fuzzy focus because
the distant focus is picking up the tree

981
01:17:35.760 --> 01:17:40.960
in the UFO. This is not
stuff that's so easy to get around.

982
01:17:41.319 --> 01:17:45.600
This is not stuff that any of
these cases lak. I'm not quazing the

983
01:17:45.640 --> 01:17:49.479
picture. I'm questioning the motive because
then we've got also, then we've got

984
01:17:49.520 --> 01:17:56.119
the alien after they already supposedly knew
this for it several years, and I

985
01:17:56.119 --> 01:18:00.600
guess Billy myersaid they told him,
But he forgot letting Billy Meyer pat out

986
01:18:00.760 --> 01:18:03.520
all of these UFO photos, which
a lot of them. Later he says,

987
01:18:04.039 --> 01:18:10.920
were take where men in back that
they were still look let me go

988
01:18:11.039 --> 01:18:13.239
for that, and let me go
for that by way, also of the

989
01:18:13.319 --> 01:18:17.359
asket photos. And the last year
I say, okay, except for something

990
01:18:17.560 --> 01:18:20.920
and again this is up easy to
find. Oh you have to do you

991
01:18:21.000 --> 01:18:26.640
they fly asket and there it's there
and on my corroborated information page. Believe

992
01:18:26.680 --> 01:18:29.920
me, if anybody has a problem
with it, I will send stuff my

993
01:18:30.000 --> 01:18:34.079
own time and expense. Here's the
answer I read and you have it in

994
01:18:34.119 --> 01:18:40.840
your books. In nineteen seventy five, Meyer is told that there are two

995
01:18:40.880 --> 01:18:44.600
doubles in America who look like Askett
near Us. He says, well,

996
01:18:44.680 --> 01:18:46.039
great, let me go see him. And all of a sudden they said

997
01:18:47.039 --> 01:18:49.399
no, no, we really can't
do that. He says, why they

998
01:18:49.439 --> 01:18:55.039
said, well, we can't talk
about it. Twenty three years later,

999
01:18:55.640 --> 01:18:58.960
the Asket near A photos show up. Well, what's the next problem with

1000
01:18:59.000 --> 01:19:01.600
that, apart from the fact that
Meyer was told about it? When they

1001
01:19:01.640 --> 01:19:08.359
say he photographed it off the screen? Uh, sorry, because Meyer got

1002
01:19:08.399 --> 01:19:13.239
his first TV sets. I think
it was a year or two after he

1003
01:19:13.439 --> 01:19:16.760
took the original asket near a photos
and when you look at them and you

1004
01:19:16.800 --> 01:19:21.760
compare it side by side, it
doesn't have the color dots from the Kessold

1005
01:19:23.199 --> 01:19:29.920
rate tube and the Dean Martin,
one of the different looking woman does these

1006
01:19:30.119 --> 01:19:34.000
are the devils in the details.
So this the asket mirror the Dean Martin.

1007
01:19:34.000 --> 01:19:38.039
You know everybody wants to say that, No, go and look at

1008
01:19:38.039 --> 01:19:43.159
it. Check out those He didn't
take those photographs off of the TV set

1009
01:19:43.439 --> 01:19:47.119
or those dimes would be You've got
to understand how people would have a hard

1010
01:19:47.159 --> 01:19:54.399
time swallowing that there's doubles of these
alien on Earth Day work for the Martin

1011
01:19:55.079 --> 01:20:00.520
and then by only nineteen seventy five. But he doesn't tell anybody until the

1012
01:20:00.520 --> 01:20:06.119
pictures come out. Oh that's not
so, they were published. That's that

1013
01:20:06.279 --> 01:20:11.399
was published in Wendell's first book,
and it was in the contact reports that

1014
01:20:11.439 --> 01:20:15.880
I got in eighty six. That's
already twelve years before anybody brings it up.

1015
01:20:16.479 --> 01:20:20.159
Alejandro, work with me here,
as they say, well, and

1016
01:20:20.199 --> 01:20:23.880
that's not even the point you get
to bring this up. That's great,

1017
01:20:23.880 --> 01:20:28.479
you brought this up. My point
is this that you had the aliens giving

1018
01:20:28.520 --> 01:20:32.520
the gun, taking it away,
giving the model taking it away. You

1019
01:20:32.680 --> 01:20:38.399
have them, you know, letting
billy Meyer pass out these pictures that were

1020
01:20:38.399 --> 01:20:43.600
supposedly, you know, switched out
by men in black. Then you have

1021
01:20:43.720 --> 01:20:46.319
all of these predictions that you've gone
through before. And for arguments sake,

1022
01:20:46.600 --> 01:20:50.880
let's say this is all real.
But these predictions aren't being given to the

1023
01:20:50.920 --> 01:20:56.199
general public. They're given to one
guy in Germany. And a lot of

1024
01:20:56.239 --> 01:21:00.640
these predictions have to do with English
speaking people. Why would they do that?

1025
01:21:00.760 --> 01:21:03.520
What is the motivation then for these
guys to come from as far as

1026
01:21:03.600 --> 01:21:08.760
they do, I mean, using
motivators has a problem with abduction. That

1027
01:21:08.840 --> 01:21:12.800
okay, you can find more motivations
for abduction than you can for this.

1028
01:21:13.119 --> 01:21:15.000
No. I love you asked some
of your questions at the end, because

1029
01:21:15.039 --> 01:21:19.359
look scientifically, and look please,
I've spent time with David Frohne, who's

1030
01:21:19.359 --> 01:21:24.439
an astrophysicist. I knew, of
course, Wendell Lee and Britt I've talked

1031
01:21:24.439 --> 01:21:28.840
to people who are investigators to all
sorts. I like the detective mind.

1032
01:21:29.760 --> 01:21:33.920
The idea of why they took away
things is secondary to whether they were real

1033
01:21:34.000 --> 01:21:38.800
or not. But let's go to
your question, why did they do this,

1034
01:21:38.880 --> 01:21:42.319
Why did they give it to this
guy? And it isn't all about

1035
01:21:42.399 --> 01:21:45.079
English, you know, people in
the West. So much of this information

1036
01:21:45.199 --> 01:21:50.119
has to do with Israel, Russia, China, Scandinavia, Europe, the

1037
01:21:50.159 --> 01:21:56.399
Middle East. Could it be more
international, even touches on Pakistan and Indian

1038
01:21:56.479 --> 01:22:00.159
Then why aren't they giving it to
people in these countries too, That's what

1039
01:22:00.199 --> 01:22:02.640
I'm saying. They give it to
this five guy in the mountains, and

1040
01:22:02.680 --> 01:22:06.840
nobody else is forgetting that he supposed
information that we need in order to help

1041
01:22:06.880 --> 01:22:12.000
by Let me survive. Let me
be brutal with you here, look at

1042
01:22:12.039 --> 01:22:14.840
it, and let me be honest, because this is our process, all

1043
01:22:14.920 --> 01:22:17.199
andre, and it's one we can
respect. And I'm not attacking you,

1044
01:22:17.600 --> 01:22:23.039
and I'm not actually attacking anybody else. Let's just for a moment look at

1045
01:22:23.079 --> 01:22:27.800
it this way. Let's say that
they did give this to one guy who

1046
01:22:27.880 --> 01:22:32.840
was tasked with the seemingly impossible,
insurmountable task of making it available to the

1047
01:22:32.840 --> 01:22:38.159
world, and they said, this
will be your job. Look at how

1048
01:22:38.359 --> 01:22:41.800
he is received so well, why
don't they give it to be scientists?

1049
01:22:41.960 --> 01:22:45.600
I put the information up on scientists'
flogs. I send it out to filled

1050
01:22:45.640 --> 01:22:50.359
Plate. I send it out to
Tyson de Grass, Neil de Grass,

1051
01:22:50.399 --> 01:22:54.439
I send it out to Michael Schermer. I send it out to Bernard Hasche.

1052
01:22:54.439 --> 01:22:56.640
I send it out to SETI.
I send it out to Unit.

1053
01:22:57.199 --> 01:23:00.920
They won't touch it. Well,
why didn't he make the contacts with them?

1054
01:23:00.239 --> 01:23:08.520
These people could not handle. Their
paradigms would be shattered. You don't

1055
01:23:08.600 --> 01:23:13.800
understand. It's hard enough. People
try to kill the messenger, whether we

1056
01:23:14.079 --> 01:23:17.399
like it or not. If this
is true, and this is going to

1057
01:23:17.439 --> 01:23:23.399
be for each and every individual to
determine, neither you nor I can decide

1058
01:23:23.399 --> 01:23:27.439
this for other people. I will
go to great lengths to make it accessible,

1059
01:23:27.800 --> 01:23:30.359
but each person has to think it
through themselves. And I'm going to

1060
01:23:30.399 --> 01:23:34.039
come to the answer here it is. It was done this way so that

1061
01:23:34.159 --> 01:23:40.239
it would get disseminated. This stuff
is now in Spanish, Russian, Italian.

1062
01:23:40.279 --> 01:23:43.680
People are translating to Check and Polish. You don't know quite what's going

1063
01:23:43.720 --> 01:23:46.399
on. People in these countries are
hungry. I get emails from people in

1064
01:23:46.399 --> 01:23:50.199
India, in Sri Lanka. I've
had one hundred and thirty eight different countries

1065
01:23:50.279 --> 01:23:55.800
be the source of inquiries to me. This stuff is finding its way,

1066
01:23:56.119 --> 01:23:59.760
but it had to be worked for
by the people, just for that kind

1067
01:23:59.760 --> 01:24:03.520
of a thing that you and you
know I was paraphrasing you when I said

1068
01:24:03.520 --> 01:24:08.800
that people have to be forced to
piece things together. We have to do

1069
01:24:08.840 --> 01:24:12.319
it. We may disagree with the
methodology, Well why didn't they do it

1070
01:24:12.319 --> 01:24:15.720
this way? Why didn't they?
It was done this way based on their

1071
01:24:15.760 --> 01:24:21.600
best assessment, as being quite removed
from us, of how to approach us

1072
01:24:21.640 --> 01:24:28.439
without disrupting us, without creating new
gods, without creating wars, suicides,

1073
01:24:28.479 --> 01:24:32.680
and psychosis. Here's the stuff that
we really want you to have, if

1074
01:24:32.800 --> 01:24:38.399
you will do your due diligence,
and here's your payoff, Alejandro, if

1075
01:24:38.439 --> 01:24:43.000
you will do your due diligence human
beings of Earth, and you will see

1076
01:24:43.039 --> 01:24:47.199
and struggle through that. We've given
this man all of this vitally important stuff,

1077
01:24:47.399 --> 01:24:51.800
such as the red meteor warning that
this thing is going to hit in

1078
01:24:51.920 --> 01:24:57.159
eastern Europe on either twenty twenty nine
or twenty thirty six, and you've got

1079
01:24:57.199 --> 01:25:00.399
to deflect it. Don't blow it
up. We're telling you specifically it's coming.

1080
01:25:00.960 --> 01:25:03.720
You must deflect it with a nuclear
device. I brought have a comic

1081
01:25:03.720 --> 01:25:10.880
strip about. We are trying to
help you assure your future survival because you

1082
01:25:11.239 --> 01:25:16.279
are going downhill and what is coming
your way environmentally, which you have set

1083
01:25:16.399 --> 01:25:21.199
up for decades human beings of Earth, is going to be overwhelming. And

1084
01:25:21.279 --> 01:25:28.760
with your new Fukushima and your BT
which have now gone away from your current

1085
01:25:28.800 --> 01:25:33.399
attention focus, these are going to
poison your food chain and pollute your planet.

1086
01:25:33.640 --> 01:25:40.039
You forget about solar power and wind. You want answers. We are

1087
01:25:40.119 --> 01:25:45.600
telling you get about the business of
working with deep geothermals. It is accessible.

1088
01:25:45.920 --> 01:25:50.760
You will have far less difficulties going
through your growing pains. And now

1089
01:25:50.920 --> 01:25:56.760
people in Switzerland and Austria and others
are starting on this because it is inexhaustible,

1090
01:25:56.800 --> 01:26:02.279
there's no toxicity. You are too
over populated to satisfy all of your

1091
01:26:02.359 --> 01:26:08.119
needs with solar or wind or hydroelectric. Get geothermal. You will not run

1092
01:26:08.119 --> 01:26:11.840
out of it for thousands and thousands
and thousands of years. You need to

1093
01:26:11.920 --> 01:26:17.119
create a true international global justice system
to handle these terrorists and wars. We

1094
01:26:17.239 --> 01:26:21.319
have many things to offer you,
but you have to first go through the

1095
01:26:21.439 --> 01:26:29.239
painful process of realizing, yes,
this information is real, it's accurate,

1096
01:26:29.560 --> 01:26:33.720
it's prophetically accurate, so you will
trust just enough to look at the rest,

1097
01:26:34.119 --> 01:26:39.680
not to blindly believe it, but
to consider our gift to you to

1098
01:26:39.960 --> 01:26:45.840
help you to help yourselves, not
to be abducted. We don't want your

1099
01:26:45.960 --> 01:26:49.399
DNA, we don't want to make
babies with you. We want to help

1100
01:26:49.439 --> 01:26:56.640
you, to help you to preserve
yourselves because there are certain things coming that

1101
01:26:56.720 --> 01:27:00.319
you will not be able to avoid
and you need as much help because you

1102
01:27:00.359 --> 01:27:02.960
can get it. And there it
is all right, Well we are out

1103
01:27:03.039 --> 01:27:08.720
of time. I want to thank
you for coming. I hope you know,

1104
01:27:08.840 --> 01:27:12.880
thanks for being a sport and everything
one thing any time. It's great

1105
01:27:12.880 --> 01:27:15.760
that you are so open, and
you know, you sent us these pictures

1106
01:27:15.800 --> 01:27:17.880
that I think some people, including
you know people here, we look at

1107
01:27:17.880 --> 01:27:20.680
some of these and we're like,
well, this does not help this case.

1108
01:27:20.720 --> 01:27:24.800
It hurts the case. But you
know, you're open to try to

1109
01:27:24.880 --> 01:27:28.479
share everything that's out there, which
is great. And hopefully we were able

1110
01:27:28.520 --> 01:27:30.800
to organize the show because there's so
much here. It's hard to organize this

1111
01:27:30.880 --> 01:27:36.039
stuff and I feel the pain that
way. But they live dot com right,

1112
01:27:36.119 --> 01:27:43.159
it's a website, yes, and
you know Special Evidence Page A corroborated

1113
01:27:43.199 --> 01:27:47.159
information, page press releases and sold
there and anybody that doesn't find something I've

1114
01:27:47.199 --> 01:27:51.359
referred to and wants it or wants
to challenge it, time permitting, I

1115
01:27:51.479 --> 01:27:54.880
respond to everybody. I'll be a
little out of town for a couple of

1116
01:27:54.920 --> 01:27:59.199
weeks, you know, be in
Switzerland and London, Paris and stuff like

1117
01:27:59.199 --> 01:28:03.640
that. But I do get back
and because you have been so damn gracious,

1118
01:28:03.840 --> 01:28:06.920
and you've done this in a way
that I frankly did not expect honestly,

1119
01:28:08.199 --> 01:28:10.479
but you know, if you and
I had met before, and you've

1120
01:28:10.560 --> 01:28:14.159
always been just warm and open the
you know, clear guy, I thank

1121
01:28:14.239 --> 01:28:17.079
you. I'm available to do more
on any of these if you want.

1122
01:28:17.159 --> 01:28:20.079
I know there's a lot here.
Yeah, we can keep forever on this,

1123
01:28:20.239 --> 01:28:25.079
I know could. And bottom line, there's the message. They want

1124
01:28:25.159 --> 01:28:29.279
us to try to look and help
ourselves out of some rough stuff coming.

1125
01:28:29.800 --> 01:28:32.520
And that's it. That's my I
try to prove the prophecies wrong. And

1126
01:28:32.960 --> 01:28:39.399
no doubt we got rough stuff coming, that's for sure. Yeah. Well,

1127
01:28:39.640 --> 01:28:43.239
thank you again anytime, and thank
you, thank you so much.

1128
01:28:43.439 --> 01:28:45.960
I hope you your voice gets better
here. Hopefully we didn't mess it up

1129
01:28:46.000 --> 01:28:54.359
too much. Not at all,
all right, thank you, mister Horn,

1130
01:28:54.399 --> 01:28:57.000
and they fight it out comments where
you can find the information he is

1131
01:28:57.039 --> 01:29:00.880
referring to, although when you go
to that page that y, there's not

1132
01:29:00.960 --> 01:29:05.039
even links, it's just lists of
the supposed claims. And it would be

1133
01:29:05.079 --> 01:29:09.520
great to be able to get some
more information there. Maybe he will in

1134
01:29:09.600 --> 01:29:14.279
the future, Billy Meyer, real
or not, it is up to you

1135
01:29:14.760 --> 01:29:19.560
the listener. Thank you so much
for listening yet again to Open Minds Radio.

1136
01:29:20.760 --> 01:29:24.439
Remember you can get all of this
information, all of the stories that

1137
01:29:24.520 --> 01:29:28.640
we talked about at openminds dot tv
you stream or on YouTube. In a

1138
01:29:28.680 --> 01:29:30.439
couple of days, you'll be able
to watch the video and see some of

1139
01:29:30.479 --> 01:29:33.840
the pictures that we talked about.
Everything he sent us we put in that

1140
01:29:34.000 --> 01:29:38.800
video. So he is very gracious
and very helpful in sending us a lot

1141
01:29:38.800 --> 01:29:43.119
of pictures. A nice guy,
mister hone Horn. Anyway, thanks for

1142
01:29:43.199 --> 01:29:45.479
joining us. Don't forget to join
us next week. Talk to you later.