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playing, but it was so spicy
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we figured we want to jump back
into this, and there's just problems

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with our basketball team. We,
of course the home of the Dallas Mavericks,

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proud to be and proud to air
every game on the station. But

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we're not in their back pockets.
Mikey, Yeah, we'll prove it to

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you again here. I think most
of us aren't. I'm not in their

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back pockets. They don't give me
any money. No, I didn't get

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a seventy five thousand dollars bonus.
Ben Skin show coming up in about forty

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five minutes. Uh, no,
I love this. I had real quick

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if had I had gotten a seventy
five thousand dollars bonus from the MAVs.

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Everything's fine out there right side you
kidding, You're incredible, Timmy. They're

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playing hard out there. But really
the injuries, it's only the injury.

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Just that it's well coached and this
ever's pulled in the same direction. It's

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working. No, that is most
definitely not the case. And uh,

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I said, we're proud to host
the games and be the home of the

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MAVs, But I don't know about
how much pride is going on with MAVs

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fans or MAVs the team themselves.
After just getting smoked for three quarters,

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seeing come out you look pretty good, you're knocking down threes, and then

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you just get embarrassed by its rivalry
week. So you know what, perhaps

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over the last five years at least, has been the biggest rival that the

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Mavericks have had, the Phoenix Suns, a really good team loaded with really

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good players. I wouldn't even say
there's much shame in losing to the Phoenix

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Sons. There are a hot team
right now, but there is shame in

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a lot of other aspects of what
they're rolling out there. And I mean,

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Luca and Kid seem to be the
two, you know, touch points.

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I suppose today, what's going on
with Luca, I'd say what's going

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on with him is he's the best, one of the best players in basketball,

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and he absolutely lights everybody up despite
being maybe seventy percent health wise.

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But the Jason Kidd angle has seemed
to be simmering, simmering and now boiling

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as I don't I don't know what's
going on with Jason Kidd. I don't

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know what leadership he provides. I
don't know what he does to lead to

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victories. I know what Luca does. You can be mad at Luca today,

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but I don't think anyone doubts that
Luca is the reason for their the

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main reason for their twenty four wins
on the season. This is still a

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above five hundred team, still potentially
a good team. I don't know about

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Jason Kidd. Does it spice that
up when we're supposed to be all in

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with Luca and Kyrie, right,
like all in, let's go now,

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right and a thirty and thirteen team
fires their coach, Yes, Milwaukee says

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I'm blessing around. I'm glad we
said this yesterday, and I'm not kidding.

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I don't I don't know where the
line I might find out after the

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show with a line of getting in
trouble for Maverick's opinions is I have zero

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problem with Ay fire Jason Kidd today
and bring in Mike Budenholzer, who the

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Bucks did get rid of. I
love the idea of Doc Rivers. I

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love Nick Nurse and Mike Budenholzer.
They have titles, they have championships.

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Jason King Gott run out of his
previous two jobs, and the one reason

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we were like, Okay, sure, maybe it'll work here is because he

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is one of the most gifted point
guards ball handlers in NBA history. Guess

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what we have the exact same thing. Guess who we need to be happy

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and figure out how to make work
the same dude. Bring in Jason Kidd.

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Fine, it's not working. They
don't look good. They're the furthest

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thing from tight. Even when they
are good, it's just because Kyrie Luca

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and then a couple other guys maybe
get hot from behind the arc. It's

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not working. You're not a good
basketball team. Maybe because you're so top

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heavy with stars and the other guys
borderline belong in the NBA. Maybe they're

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that bad. I don't know.
It's not working at all. It's bad

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and the vibes are bad too.
Now after what we saw last night,

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and this is a it's a difficult
thing to discuss, you know, obviously,

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there's there's so many questions. I
mean, we just don't really know

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what Jason Kidd really brings to the
team other than being a former excellent player,

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a Hall of Famer, a championship
winner. That really to me,

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I don't know what he is as
a strategist. I don't know what kind

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of plays he's drawing up. I
don't know how he if he's if he's

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one of the top in the NBA
at melding talent and coming up with the

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right matchups, I don't know.
I don't know either. But but there

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and there's really no there's no testimonials
or evidence of it out there, or

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he doesn't really have that attached to
his reputation. Rick Carlisle sure did,

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was name one. If I say
Rick Carlyle, if you say Rick Carlo

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to me, the first thing he
comes out of my mind is the best

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strategists coming out of a timeout in
the NBA, right That's but that's what's

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attached to him. When you say, Jason Kidd, head coach, what's

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the first thing he comes to your
mind? Uh, you have to think

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for a minute. I think that
what comes to mind right now, and

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today's a bad day to ask that
question. Is Grant Williams getting his second

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TECH and getting kicked out of the
game, and Jason Kidd kind of looking

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at his shoe and kicking his foot
with his hands in his pockets. I

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think of him never banging a timeout
when we're in the midst of what are

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nightly collapses. It seems the fourteen
to two runs. Yeah, like Carla,

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I'll be quick with the timeout.
Fine, but watch any other NBA

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game. The problem you bang one
and stop this. The thing that I

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see with Kid, though, is
if he may not be the greatest strategist

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of basketball. I know he's got
a high basketball like you, but that's

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as a player. I think it
may be different when you're sitting on the

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sideline and if his sole purpose or
his the main purpose of him being here

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is to be a connecting a factor
to the team, being a former player,

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being able to speak their language,
being able to massage egos and keep

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guys together. I'm not really seeing
evidence of that either, especially right now,

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and especially in light of what happened
last night. He doesn't seem to

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have this magical calming influence over his
star. I'm asking this because I don't

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know. Was Jason get hired because
he's friends with everyone. I'm asking that

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because I do not know, because
Luca was tight with Jamal Moseley, who

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was seen as maybe next in line
when Carlisle left, and Jamal Mosley's now

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the head coach of the Orlando Magic. And you know, the Orlando Magic

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have a lot of young talent.
They're kind of inexperience, but they're making

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a little, you know, a
headway like they had a Dirk was involved,

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Finley was involved, Cuban obviously was
involved. Like that's not the sole

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reason he was hired, but that
was a big factor in why he was

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hired, right, Yeah, in
other places. If he wasn't hired here,

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would any other NBA team be running
into the podium to announce the name

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Jason Kidd as their next head coach? Like I don't think so. After

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the ten years he had it his
previous two stops. Now he was a

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good assistant with the Lakers. You
know that word? Yeah, I mean

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now and I can't remember the damn
name, and it's gonna bug the hell

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out of me. But when they
did go to the Western Conference finals a

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couple of years ago, which is
the feather in the cap and probably bought

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him or lengthen the leash of what
we all which fell out of all of

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our hands last night. Those that
were kind of clinging to Jason Kidds got

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this was that the defensive coach,
the assistant coach and I can't think of

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his damn name that pulled these changes
in that Clipper series, And like,

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did that nuanced defensive technique that I
watched half an hour YouTube video on the

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things they changed? It was beautiful. God, yeah, of course I

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was like Jesus, I watched hoops
and I wouldn't. I didn't really see

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any of that, But that all
gets attributed to a different coach. Think

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about this too, if maybe maybe
they're just following Terry stunts, makes sense,

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But take the year. I don't
think that year is right. I'm

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trying to look it up because I
know what you're thinking. Uh, go

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ahead, go ahead. That skin's
yelling at his radio. I understand he

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can run in here. It's not
Sean Sweeney, It's not Jared Dudley.

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Is it shn Sweeney? I believe
it is. Isn't he still here?

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I don't think no, no he, I mean Igor is not here anymore

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obviously because Egor the Kokoksouth or whatever
his name is. He was the coach

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with Phoenix for a while. I
remember he was the coach of the Serbian

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team for a long time. I'm
sorry, Luca's a Slovenian team for a

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while. Think of this, though, If Jason Kidd is leading by example

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and and Luca's looking to Kid for
leadership, think about when when Kid got

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here as a player, he butted
heads hard core with Carlisle to the point

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where Carlisle just kind of gave up
and just said, you know what,

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do whatever you want, dude,
and it worked. I mean, so

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if you all should get credit for
giving up the keys to the car,

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absolutely that being said is now granted. Jason Kidd was damn near a forty

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year old veteran and a defined point
guard in the history of the NBA.

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Luca's a twenty four year old young
man. I mean, you could look

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at what Kid did with Carlisle is
being very similar in a way maybe to

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the way Luca plays on the floor. Maybe maybe it's just not a good

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fit. Maybe Luca needs parameters and
boundaries and direction. I don't know,

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and ask you, is Luca like
the temperament or the emotion whatever however you

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want to call his essentially bitching hit
the referees. Is it worse now than

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ever? Or because like I said
earlier in the show one of the announcers,

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or is it just the accumulative because
we're all mad about these collapses and

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all these failures. Because the announcer
said, he's not just in bursts yelling

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at the ref like he'll spend a
whole quarter yelling at the refs. He

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said, it's constant, and it
is kind of true. It's just always

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yeah, And it's not like these
big it's not big history onics. Typically

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it's just like a load of mid
key drone throughout the entire games in his

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ear the whole time. I don't
know, I don't know what would happen

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if Luca didn't you know, did
nothing buttoned up and don't do a cocky

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smile at the refs, you know, but like do nothing, like because

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he had a and one that it
was definitely a shooting foul and he got

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screwed. They're like, oh on
the floor last night, and Luca just

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kind of laughs and like like do
the refs at this point are so sick

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of it, They're like, you
know what, you're gonna opposite effect,

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dude, Well, let's also we
did this earlier in the show. Let's

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acknowledge and be empathetic to the plight
of Luca, because were it not for

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him, this team would be well
under five hundred. I think they'd struggle

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to have fifteen wins in this league
right now, because not only is he

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an automatic thirty points and automatic seven
to ten rebounds and eight to eleven assists

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a night, automatic even with also
okay think about this too, the rest

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of the team around him is very
streaky, but the inconsistent. So the

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teams that are defending the Mavericks can
one hundred percent key on stopping Luca and

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just say, you know what,
We'll let the other guys get their stuff

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because they're inconsistent. Anyway, and
even if we don't guard him, it

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still doesn't mean they're gonna put them
in the net. That's knowing that that

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the teams are trying their hardest to
stop Luca and he's still putting up those

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types of numbers and he's not getting
any help, and he's getting beat up

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and he's not getting calls, and
it's frustrating. And then the media is

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calling him out, and then you
go on Twitter and Luca's a whiny bitch

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and Luca's a baby. Fans are
yelling at you to get on the treadmill.

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So yes, it's it's got to
be deeply frustrating, probably more frustrating

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than any of us in this room
could manage under that amount of pressure on

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an NBA court, night after night
after night. I would come on glued.

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I would have been triggered three years
ago and just lost it and started

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throwing crap. Let's play this audio
again from last night to reset, and

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then let's take a couple of calls, because this is after the game.

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Tim McMahon is the reporter that you're
going to hear talking to Luca about Luca,

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who, if you didn't know this, had a fan ejected from the

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game. Uh, it was a
it was his fans wearing a Devin Booker

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jersey. So but this is a
here's your audia from the post gam show

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of things to bally. Look,
what were you frustrated about at the the

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second quarter when you got that technical? I know I saw you and you

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said and all the time. You
know that was not a trull. That

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was not the only thing he said. But I knew you would be the

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first one to to point out something
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say what he said, but I
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one to put out something like that, So I just saw it. Man.

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It's just funny. You always seemed
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some bad stuff about me. First
of all, ninety percent of stuff i've

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written that who's been good? I
don't know. I was sitting two rows

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behind us, all right, So
it was the only thing he was that

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time he said something. The only
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I was hearing the whole first half, right, Oh, you didn't

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hear anything. Definitely acting. You
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thing. But okay, final what
was the final issue? Was the thing.

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It's not the issue. I'm just
seeing you seem to be the first

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one to always put something bad about
me. It's fine, it's all over.

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Why did you ask for the fan
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me the whole first half too.
Why didn't you ask for lo be ejected

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in the first half because son never
would a jacket fan. They pay for

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tickets. But I enough, you
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If you turned your head and looked
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that's I mean, that's what we
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The bad guy in the media,
rh it's all right. You fairly portrayed

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of the media. No. After
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room, opens up his phone,
looks at Twitter, and basically says that.

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He says, yeah, I saw
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the only thing that the guy said
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said, hey, you look you
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your ass on a treadmill. That's
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be removed. Luca claims that during
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using foul language at him. But
if that guy was sitting right behind the

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media row, they would have been
you know, and there are certain things

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you should get kicked out of the
stadium for. That is not even close

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to one. No, you should
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that's part of the fun. McMahon
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behind him and said, yes he
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during the first step. Vocal was
that kind of thing should be fine all

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game long. Sure, and just
because Luca got mad that this guy's yelling

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because the game was slipping away from
an embarrassing fashion. Right, Okay,

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lookas say, you're the bad guy
in the media, right, No,

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I'm the bad guy. I'll be
the bad guy. If you turned your

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head and looked over at him after
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that's what we saw. That's fine, Bead the bad guy in the media,

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right. And the question was to
be the bad guy. Do you

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feel like you're portrayed negatively or unfairly
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You know, timmot Man has he
asked the hard questions. He has

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been one of the few. Now, I guess a lot of people have

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talked about the idea of Luca might
be leaving. But he's the one who

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goes on the big ESPN podcast and
we'll mention here and there what he's hearing

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about Luca's happiness in Dallas. So
that's a two or three year running theme,

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it seems. Now. Don't go
ahead, Mike, I've just a

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couple of texts. See, that's
the thing. Luca does bitch too much,

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but not out of ten times he's
right. Yeah, that's that's true

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sometimes too. I mean, you're
not gonna get every call, No,

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you're not. When you hoist it
as many times as he does. I

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get that. I think he probably
and I need to find this and maybe

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I'll do it here. In a
second, he probably leads the league,

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or suppose to leading the league and
drives to the rim. Let's go to

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the hot line, or not the
hot line, the phone line. It's

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Nick and Sherman. Hello, Nick, you're on the down beat. Hey.

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I just wanted to start off by
saying, it's an honor to be

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able to speak with the Dallas radio
observers to be here. Really appreciate it.

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That's kind. Don't be nervous.
I'm I'm just like you, big

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mind. I'm gonna come on,
Nick, not really, but I do

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have a chicken named after you,
Big Mike. You gave well, you

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can keep all the eggs, but
I am honored. It's a rester.

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They don't lay him. I don't
know what that means. What do you

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want to say? So I want
to just point out some stats real quick.

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Are twelveth in offensive rating. When
Rick Carlisle was last year, they

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were six, and they were thirteenth
and d the Maths are now seven or

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twenty second in defensive rating. They're
just absolutely falling apart. And we hired

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Jason Kidd because supposedly he was a
defensive guru who masterminded the Bubble Championship for

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the Wakers. So I just didn't
understand it. Yeah, none of it

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really makes a lot of sense to
all of us. That's kind of why

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we're open discussing, you know,
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these variables and put them all together. And still even after doing that,

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we don't really know what Jason Kidd
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That's like, look at by the
way, I just found out, look

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a third in the league and drives
per game, So he goes Shay John

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Morant and then him nineteen drives per
game nineteen times. You drive to the

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hole, they're not going to give
you the call fifteen times. It's not

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terribly realistic. So and especially if
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yeah, and not not lilt,
you know, because you're getting foul

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a little bit like maybe somebody like
John Morant. Does you know you can

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withstand that and just buwl your way
to the basket. You may be getting

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smashed, it doesn't look like you're
getting smashed. The contact still there,

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you're probably not gonna get the call. I don't mind Luca bitching because he's

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always has and he always will.
But what I don't like is the trajectory

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of it. And it seems like
it's getting worse. Yeah, And if

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you'd have told me two years ago
it's going to get way worse, I'd

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say, how it can't. The
technicals are just going to flow in like

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the incoming tide. What I don't
like is as this is progressing, the

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public perception of him is changing,
because before the public perception of Luca was

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this guy is a real unicorn in
every sense of the word. We've never

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seen anything like it. This guy
is putting up Magic Johnson numbers. This

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guy is putting up Oscar Robertson numbers. He's going to be a top ten

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player in the history of the league. And now as this stuff continues and

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incidents like last night, the commentary
on him is he is a whiner.

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He is a baby. He's a
baby bitch. Yeah. Look, just

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like in radio, no matter what
you do, you are what your ratings

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are. You know whether you're fair, how they're compiled, whether you could

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be doing the funniest, best,
most futuristic sounding radio show in the world.

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If you don't get ratings, that's
not what it is. It's not

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good. Luca's mad because they're losing. If they were winning, the public

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certainly isn't mad about Luca. Luca
do whatever the hell you want, bitch

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like crazy, because obviously we're all
happy with his play on the court,

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especially since he's banged up. But
he's mad that they're losing. And when

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you lose games like that and you
get embarrassed by a team that you really

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want to be Because he probably doesn't
like Devin Booker a whole lot or or

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of the Suns, it makes it
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I can't do it. Lucas says, I what else can I do?

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And that results in it and he
gets mad the inadequacies of his teammates,

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probably mad at the franchise for not
putting better teams around him. He wants

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to win, and I don't think
anyone would question that, right. The

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dude wants a win. So yes, when you're not winning and you're losing

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an embarrassing fashion and there's nothing more
you can do that will lead to me

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blowing my top. And that's where
he's at right now, and I don't

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think it's fair. We're I don't
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But it's the shortcomings and the quote
bad side of Luca that does seem to

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get highlighted in times when you're getting
smoked on national TV. It's a great

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freaking point, man, Make that
a promo the next Yeah it was too

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long? Did they say that again, real, real fast, and maybe

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edit out about two thirds of it. Don't just still make the same point.

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No, don't do it well.
Well, beyond this, the MAVs

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play the I believe it's the Kings
tomorrow night. No, who's the Friday?

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They got a Friday in that game
Tomorrow night and they're Saturday they play?

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Because you're going right, big mic
the I'm going Saturday. Who they're

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playing? I know? Back to
back? That is that good for the

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MAVs another back to back? We're
sitting there going these guys are all hurt

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all the time. We get the
Hawks tomorrow night at Atlanta, so we'll

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see who gets a technical him or
Trey Young is their second in the league

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with nine technicals. And then uh, Sacramento on Sunday, sec Crimento back

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at home eight o'clock. You hear
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