What up, everybody? Welcome back to the dragon Ball Virgin. Today we're
discussing dragon Ball super broy absolutely amazing, as well as we're just gonna be
using the previous three Broly movies, the non Cannon ones as kind of fuel
to speak about how they changed Broly and what they did for the better,
what maybe they didn't do for the better. You got your hosts, me
goes in from anime uproar, and of course, Ray, the dragon Ball
Virgin, who has watched more episodes of dragon Ball than any other virgin alive.
What up? Ray? Oh, let's go. It's It's true.
I feel I should say that any other dragon Ball version alive because there are
probably visions who've watched, like rewatched episode. Oh man, um, so
we got we got so much to talk about here, but let's just get
into initial thoughts. I don't want to cloud raise judgment too much, but
Ray, what do you think in general of Broley as a character the Brole
movie and how they changed him? Yeah? I mean I was talking to
you about this before we started in that I think they did make some good
changes. For example, the whole idea of him being angry at Goku for
crying cry Bro taken that out, which is good. I did like as
well, the whole backstory at the beginning, Like it was long. It
did take up a bit of time near the beginning with a planet Vegeta with
freezer, but it was cool contextually to see though. I mean, I'm
trying to think, remember when Bardoc ends up sending off his son, like
Goku's wearing the full out say an outfit, which contradicts things we've seen in
the past. Where that stood out to me not a huge deal, right,
Yeah, that didn't really plot or anything. It was just a couple
of like interesting contradictions. I think you you know, you think the movie
why I think the movies now are like I think there's been a change in
like what's acceptable on screen. So they have less nakedness than they did in't
dragon Ball. Right, nakedness was like so prevalent in dragon Ball, but
I feel like now they're more like, let's just clothe everybody for better or
worse. Who would be naked otherwise? Yeah, terms of I mean the
character, I still do like him, like the whole idea of here's this
super saying you know legend he is untamed, like he can't control his anger.
I thought that was pretty good. I thought like his father was presented
in a better light. Yeah he wasn't the original movie, Yeah for sure.
I thought that too, Like he actually the whole I mean, now
you remind me of the Father, Like what the fuck? They just killed
him and that's it. Like that was random as right, But yeah,
I mean you get that from Freezer, you understand it. But it's weird
that they just left him dead. For a second, I thought they would
use the dragon balls to wish him back, but no they didn't. They're
just like, oh my god, that was so random as fuck. I
like, yeah, but I do think it's this is definitely more interesting.
The father was a better human being, right, I think we can agree
on that than in the original, Like he was willing to risk everything to
help his son in the beginning, right because of jealous jealous Vegita's father And
yeah, yeah, I mean there's I also thought the interesting thing was the
power level, like power scaling. It was crazy, right because you the
original Brolly was strong obviously, why you know, he couldn't hold a candle
to super saying blue Goku, and this one was practically holding a can like
practically overpowering super saying God in his base form, which was fucking insane.
Right, So that was another interesting thing that made Broly way more relevant than
he would have been otherwise. Yeah, and I mean you have to do
that because if not, you know, it would have just been embarrassing if
he was at the same level as he was in the original movies. But
yeah, that was a little weird something else as well near the end.
Usually it seems like the end of each of the other Broly movies like they're
very much glad to get rid of him, whereas at the end here he
ends up getting wished away and Goku goes and finds them and he's like,
yeah, I can't wait to fight you again, whereas the other ones,
he's just seen as this like sward enemy. They want to think him.
Such a good move on their part because Broley is such a popular character.
I don't think they did. Guys, correct me if I'm wrong in the
chat, but I don't think they did anything any character three times in the
non Cannon movies. Um so bring him back three times. It shows how
popular he is Junior just once, I think, yeah, okay, But
anyways, like three times specifically, Like that's crazy popular. So obviously it's
a smart move like Vegeta, like um Freezer to leave him in the world
so he could possibly come back and pop up again. And he's such a
hype character that, I mean, how cool is it that they have that
card to draw on whenever they want to in the future. Yeah, he
leaves the door wide open, he says, Dude, he's so Obviously we
didn't see Goku go ultra instinct, which is which would be like a different
story kind of thing. We don't know exactly how that would work, but
with Super Sam Blue, like Goku and Vegeta, don't stand a chance.
Yeah, and it was cool to have that Freeze to tie in as well.
Oh yeah, he's kind of recruited by Freezer, and Freeze is there,
but he's not actually taking center stage like he normally does in the previous
movies. So yeah, I thought it was It was a cool kind of
concept there. But I do like you want to like also gloss over the
older movies because I mean, they do make some interesting kind of moves beyond
the first one. Go for it. Yeah, So, I mean we
talked about the first one in a previous episode. It was I did end
up rewatching it this time. I rewatched it with the dub the first time
I did the sub, And yeah, there are some funny moments I do
find, like Roshy drunk with the dove with pretty funny. Yeah, there
is a thing in anime. You know, you told me whenever there's a
trope to kind of let you know, there is a thing in anime where
they pretty much have character, and it's usually a comedic thing, but there's
this kind of drunk fighting where all of a sudden, like even though they're
drunk, instead of performing worse, they do really well. And that's probably
not even just anime, probably like Japanese cultural stories that have been floating around
forever. But yeah, so that was not the first time, like people
have seen that if they've been exposed to Japanese media. Yeah, I also
found because I thought this was funny in the first movie. But again,
you're so used to the characters voices in the dub that when it's in the
sub it's a little bit different being like reacting to it. And I found
when Curlin singing there and Vegeta is just so pissed off and he's like,
I can't take this anymore in his usual voice. Like I actually laughed out
loud of that part because it was so funny to see. No, I'm
glad. Yeah, and obviously, you know, humor. I keep saying
it it's an underrated part of dragon Ball because obviously the fighting takes center stage,
the cool transformations takes center stage. But I really appreciate the comedic elements
too. And I gotta say, obviously, you're gonna keep going with the
old ones, and there was like obviously highlights in the old ones. But
I just sound I was watching this movie in advance like today, and I
just found myself smiling uncontrollably, Like it's just I enjoy this is like dragon
Ball super around, like what I love about dragon Ball right, like peak
dragon Ball pretty much, and I just enjoy it so much. Bro,
it brings a smile to my face. It's it's amazing stuff. Yeah,
No, I mean there were some funny moments as well. It was also
interesting to see when Vegeta kind of cowers there at the end. Again,
seeing in the dub is interesting with that voice, So that was funny.
But we're not to the other movies. I mean the second one. I
thought it was interesting how they focus specifically on Trunk's go ten, Videl's in
there, it shifts away from well, obviously Goku come in at the end.
How he does is I guess debatable, but he does his music magic
music. What am I saying? It's movie magic? Yes, but he
does. I mean it's interesting how they shift away. And at this point
it's interesting because you know Browley, we find out that, like he's been
terrorizing this place. And once you find out he's going to be a threat
and the others are nowhere in sight, you think, how is Goten?
How is Trunks, Videl? How are they gonna be able to deal with
the situation? And I felt that same way with the third movie when we
had like eighteen, we had hercule like, we had characters who were I
don't want to say like irrelevant but definitely don't scale anywhere near Broley, and
you think to yourself, like, how is this going to end? We
don't have Goku there, Vegeta there to save the day. So it was
interesting how they took that approach for the second and third movie. Away Yeah,
yeah, yeah, And I think I'm pretty sure Bio Browley is confirmed
to be weaker than normal Broley, which makes sense. But another thing about
Bio Broley is I don't know if like they had a low budget or something,
but yeah, like they pretty much advertise it as like a Browley movie,
and they had like this blob monster be bro thought it was so dumb
that it was like what the fuck? I'm guessing like they just wanted to
do a movie and they weren't sure how to roll cells. It's like,
let's just make it another Browle movie. Well, wouldn't have looked better if
remember when Tao came back Mercenary Tao and like he was reconstructed. What do
you mean like even yeah, like even Freezer right Mecca free Yeah, Like
couldn't you do something with that? With that with Broley, Like it would
have been a pretty cool aesthetic. That was like the worst decision you could
think of this blob that's going around and there's a bit of blonde hair sticking
out. Yeah, I'm like, why would you choose? I was like,
esthetically this looks disgusting. It's just not cool, Like what are you
gonna buy? It? Warned us last time too, that's like not even
why Bio Broley because it's so bad and like there are again, it's not
like unwatchable, but yeah, definitely, Um, it doesn't do Broley as
a character justice, while I feel like the new dragon Ball Super did him
a lot of justice. Right. Yeah, Like the worst thing, which
like it's not even necessarily bad compared to how you look at it, but
one of the worst things that the Dragon Ball Super Broley movie arguably was Freeze
On wanting the dragon Balls just to make himself five centimeters taller. Yeah.
I was like, what the fuck wrong? And it's funny contrasting that with
Boma's wish she wants to look five years younger, and you're like, wow,
that's so vain, and then Freezer goes and kind of want to be
exactly Freeze is just as vain, right, But they probably imply, if
I'm not wrong, that Goku says she's been doing this. It's like,
oh, that's why she looks like so young, So maybe she's been doing
this because if which kind of makes sense because if you look at Chee Chee
some moments in Dragon Ball Super, she looks older, I think, than
Boma, and that would make sense only if Boma is doing the five years
before every so often thing because otherwise she was older from the beginning than Chichi.
So it's just like a little thing that could explain something because I mean
you could also say Boma is rich, so she has all these like money
for like product anti aging products and stuff like that. But yeah, it's
another explanation for why Boma, for Vegeta's say, keeps looking est. Yeah.
No, it was funny to see that, to see what Freezer wanted
as well. I mean it goes to show we were kind of debating has
Freezer had like a change of heart or is he kind of on a path
towards being good in some way? And if you think about it, I
mean, he could have asked for immortality, even though he said it is
kind of pointless, but he could have asked something that was more of a
threat to them compared to being just five centimeters larger so or taller. Sorry,
So, um, I just wonder as well, like where is Freezer
on that scale of evil to good? Like has he because I feel like
he could have done more. You know, he does kill his father.
Yeah, Freeze Freeze up to me is like definitely eviler than any of our
good guys. Um. But there is this sense of like playfulness that keeps
him from sometimes doing like, you know, just devoting his life to killing
the Saints because he's kind of like enjoying being back on Earth. He kind
of wants to toy with them a bit, to like bring Browley to see
how they do. Obviously, I do think Freeze in the end his goal
is to be like take over to the entire universe and to defeed Goku and
be the strongest and stuff like that. But in the meantime, he knows
he's not right. He knows he has no trot against Gojeta, right,
So in that sense, he's gonna buy his time. He's not gonna cause
trouble. But yeah, you know, or at least you feel that if
he had the power too, it would probably be a different story. Yeah,
yeah, I mean, it's just interesting where he's at. I think
that was a good where you used like he was toying with them. He
wasn't as ruthless as he normally is. Oh, I will say this too.
Big Zam pointed out, thank you that Freezer stole his wish from Commander
Red. I totally forgot about that I speak out about that. Yeah,
but yeah, I remember he wanted to wish to be tallerant and then it
subordinate was like, are you kidding me? This whole organization has been working
its ass off to make you tallerant. It just my fricking shoots him.
It was so funny, I know, fort that was a good time Ghost
to show so many things in super Like they have some sort of I in
with dragon Ball or dragon Ball Z. Yeah, for sure, And they're
bringing back stuff that won't ruin it for new fans, but will old fans
can appreciate like this stuff. And we have another comment saying I think Freezel
tolerates them. If he can kill them, he will, but it's just
a game at this point, so he doesn't. And yeah, that's what
I think it is, like, you know, if he can't, if
he's not strong enough to kill them, he's just gonna play the game.
Try to enjoy himself, enjoy not being in that hell which is like a
little girl's heaven where toys are like dancing and singing. Yes, oh god,
that must have been brutal for him, But yeah, I mean,
what else you want? Do you want to go back to the new super
movie. I mean I kind of talked about how at the beginning I really
appreciated bro Yeah, what is like, holy shit, Broum. First of
all, let's get your thoughts on this, this movie compared to the other
two, the other two being Resurrection of Freezer and War of the Gods.
I saw this in the comments two people were asking which ones do you prefer?
So where would you rate rank this movie among those three Dragon Ball super
movies. I would say it is probably my number one, just because we
get this fresh take on Broley, and I think this take we kind of
mentioned it is kind of better than at least the second and third Z movie.
So I do like that whole fresh take we get of Brole. I've
liked Brole as a character this entire time, so it's nothing new. But
probably this movie I would say is my favorite. Yeah, how about yourself?
Yeah, so I would also say this is my favorite, and I
don't even think it's close honestly for me, Sour SAPs as in the chat,
I would place in a second to Battle of the Gods, but I
would personally put it like above all of them. And maybe it's because those
ones, like I'm kind of desensitized to even more so because we had like
we watched the movies and then we kind of had it broken down and then
watched it again, and so maybe like I don't remember how it felt the
first time, but for me, Broley was just amazing number one, and
it's because it had Yeah, the Bardoc flashback, right, all of that
stuff was amazing. That's what we both loved that, saying flashback stuff whenever
we got it, and this one made it, and it made a cannon
and then we got beyond that Broley, we got beyond that Gojeta, we
got beyond that Golden Freezer thrown in. We got beers watching Bulla. So
it's like bro like, it's the best of all of them put together here
and and even better than that because we got Gojeeta and Browley. So yeah,
this undoubtedly is my favorite dragon Ball super movie. And just on that
topic of Coojeta, honestly, let me just scratch that's my favorite dragon Ball
movie. Say yeah, definitely. Um, just on that topic of Gojita,
if you remember, I don't know when I said this, but I
said it would be hilarious to see Vegeta fusion fusing with someone and having to
do that ridiculous movie. Sure enough, we get that, and I love
it how they screw it up just like does get another different forms. So
yeah, yeah, that was that was funny. I thought it was a
bit over the top, just because in theory they have to wait a whole
hour because of their mess ups, not counting like training to do it.
So in theory, like I was like, that's probably too much time for
probably to just be beating the ship out of freezing. But beyond that,
yeah, I loved it too. And they did a good job of showing
why Vegeta changed his mind, because Vegia is always justlike, bro, I'm
gonna do it on my own strength. But we've been slowly watching him change
and change throughout the series to caring more about Boma, about his family,
and so it actually felt convincing and real that he'd agree to do this,
unlike maybe in a movie, because you actually had Goku him saying I'd rather
die, but then Goku being like, oh what about your daughter? What
about your wife? And He's like, ah, fuck, fine, fine,
I'll do it, And so it was very believable because the characterization has
been going in that direction the whole time, and then Goku used that to
get him to do it. And obviously, if Vegita was a loner,
if it was just a matter of life or death, he might have just
like been like screw that. But since he has to protect people, his
family, now he's actually going to put up with it, which made a
lot of sense. Yeah, he has to swallow his pride there. I
have a question, and I don't know if you could answer to anyone in
the but I want to know, comparing Gojeta and Vegeto, how do they
compare? So like, I know, strength wise, as they get stronger,
obviously Gogeta is stronger, but are there any like notable characteristics that are
different from either of those fusions? Honestly, I don't know enough to say
that. I know, appearance wise they looked a little bit different. No,
they did, and definitely there is a difference. They're different like entities.
But I don't know how the power scaling would work because we saw super
same blue Vegeto. But the big problem was the powers too much for the
Pataro earrings. So now pretty much their only options go GETA from this point
on, and so that's like the benefit to go geta right now, so
you could say that he'd obviously be able to last longer in a fight.
But yeah, whether we're like taking the exact same power are of Goku and
vegetas super say Blue, And whether Vegito or Gogo would be stronger, I'm
not sure. Here we have sour stops saying Vegito is stronger, um,
but but yeah, I'm not one hundred percent sure personally. So I think
that's that's something like you can look up on YouTube and people have probably made
detailed videos about it, because YouTube is such a beautiful thing and the dragon
Ball community is very much, very much present on YouTube, so there will
probably be people handling that question and theorizing about it. But there it isn't
like in the series itself, I don't think it's been proven and definitely and
with the fusion, did they mention at all? I know we've seen it
with goal tanks, but have they mentioned at all like a time limit because
I know with the ear rings, yeah, it's always it's always there,
which is nice because you don't have to worry about being too strong. Yeah,
so it makes much more sense. The only thing is they always do
this this kind of way of making sure they don't overuse it. And in
this case, it's Vegina not wanting to look lame by doing the dance,
So yeah, that's kind of the rationale there. Yeah, No, I
mean that was great. I did, Like right when I saw that,
I thought, Wow, my questions or my prayers have been answered, just
like before when I'm like, it'd be so cool if we get and vegeta
using those earrings and now we get this. That's that's part of drying Ball,
super kind of taking stuff we wished for and bringing it to life.
And I think that's that's super cool. That's one of the things I love
about it. We also had a comment that that was pretty funny Noel,
the owls that freeze that got ragg dolled by his worst fear, the legendary
super stand which, as we know from the movie, he destroyed the planet
in part to prevent for happening, and so he continues for an hour.
I bet Bardoc is laughing in hell, and yeah, like that's just so
funny. Like the dude we could just kept jumping to. His golden form
is like superior golden form getting beaten the shit out of him, and we'll
let to believe that that happened for like an hour before we kind of stepped
in. But oh my god, that was hilarious. Yeah. And I
mean he goes along with it too, and he's brought in like he's like,
well, this guy is unhinged, like he could like something wrong could
happen, but Freezer does go along with it, so I mean, you
can't blame anyone but him for taking that guy along, and he would,
like you never feel bad for Freeze never, But it was just so funny.
Um. And yeah, they pretty much said it was said, not
confirmed, but it was said that Browley is stronger than Beerists. So that's
another thing to like blow your mind. Wow, so full power. They
said, Broadly is stronger than Beerist, so more stronger than a god of
destruction. Yeah, And I mean that's not super crazy, because we saw
how well our guys did against the God of Destruction awakened God of Destruction top,
so it's not like out of the round possibility. But considering Beerist,
and he's like a well established one and he's so strong, so having Broadly
be stronger than him is crazy. And so this pretty much suggests that go
Jeta super saying Blue could beat Breast, which is which is interesting not to
mention, not to mention if somehow and they probably can't do this because Vegeta
is part of the body and Goku has a master to that yet, but
if somehow they could do ultra instant Gojeta, holy shit, bro Like,
we might even have trouble with that one. Bro. Yeah, I don't
know how they would control that would take a while, but yeah, it's
interesting. And like you said, Browley, there's so much potential there,
like untapped potential um that he can like, can he go super saying Blue
at some point? Yeah, that depends if if we if he needs to,
right. So yeah, it's been more and more established in Dragon Ball
that people have different routes or roots to the same level of power. And
for Vegeta, now he has that other blue form, right, and then
for Goku he has ultra instinct, and then for Gohan he said he'll find
his own way, although you're lagging behind Gohan, but whatever. And now
Broley has just super legendary super Saiyan is stronger than Blue, right, So
I don't think he needs it, um, but we'll see because they they'll
probably come up with more unique Broy based insformations if if he gets brought back
to do more fighting and stuff like that. Speaking of you mentioned Gohan there,
It was great back in the second movie to see Gohan at least like
shine a bit or look like someone who was like a worthy opponent for a
period of time, because we have not gotten that in such a long time,
and it just takes you back to those days in Dragon Ball Z when
Gohan was like a relevant fighter. So that was pretty cool to see it.
And I love that one moment when he's getting he's almost getting ingested by
the lava and then you get it looks like Piccolo coming in to save him,
but it turns out it's Krillan, and I love it's just like playing
with us, being like, oh, here's Piccolo saving the day again,
and then it's like, nope, Krillan's here, and he just wanted to
try on the clothes and act like Piccolo. That was that was fine.
That was like a self referential wing yeah, because you know, like I
knew, oh God, here comes Piccolo saving Gohan, So they kind of
picked up on what we'd expect, and then they played about it. Um.
I do want to say SSA, thank you for the for the subscription.
U SSA says, how far we've come. I'm glad he's still enjoying
dB, which I assume he means that you ray the Dragon Ball version are
still enjoying dragon Ball. And yeah, we come a long way. It's
been like eight not eight ten months. And yeah we've come all the way
from little Baby Goku, which was referenced in this movie right him coming to
Earth. So that was cool. That was a cool flashback. Yeah,
this movie was cool because it kind of brought different parts of dragon Ball and
then Z and then Super all together where we get that, you know.
It was it was very different from the other movies and the other movies that
just kind of stars in the suation this. Man, I can't compare this
to Beerist and Freeze Up. By the way, I just want to stay
quick. Thank you to the Nerd Sergeant for also subscribing. Um. Yeah,
I can't compare it because like, yeah, there's bardoc Bro, there's
Bar, Like, there's Goku's mom, bro, Like how could there's Napple
with hair? Like how could you could you compare this to the other movies
it's just too good. Young Rabbits, Young Vege, It's just too good.
Yeah, and we said Rabbits would ever be relevant. There we go,
Rabbits makes an appearance being a douchebag kid. He makes an appearance.
Yeah, I know, this movie was definitely I would. I mean,
I may have to think a bit more about how I compare it with the
other movies, because I'll be honest with it's been so many movies we've watched.
I would probably have to go back and read the summaries again to get
reacquainted. No, and don't even read the summaries. You got to rewatch
the movie before he makes the judgments. And like the the thing is so
the story I think is great. But beyond that, bro the visual effects
like no other one holds a candle like this was amazing. The fighting was
amazing. I was like, Bro, I feel like I'm on an amusement
ride like this was amazing. We saw some of the fighting on Broley's perspective,
like point of view, and it was just so creative, so amazing,
best choreography for a fight that I've seen in Dragon Ball. It was
just amazing. Yeah. No, there was one part when vegeto, vegeto.
Right, I'm trying to think, I don't get Gogeta. I'm getting
everyone confused. Where he dodged like an energy wave and it just had him
like skimming by the wave and it was just like you said, the effects
were so good, and that's that's just like an overall compliment of Dragon Ball
Super altogether, like compared to Z, where so much of Z was in
the nineties and you get that nineties which was like, I still enjoy it,
but there's limitations there, whereas so many parts of Super like even we
talked about like the first major fight in Super going back to Goku and beerist
like it was such a step up compared to Drug it was, and I'd
say this was a step up beyond the first new Yeah, I thought it
was absolutely amazing. M Yeah, Like what else do you want to comment
anything about Barda, Gogel's mom, any of that flashback because we know we
have the TV special that we can kind of like ping against then compare it
to Yeah. I mean, and I was trying to think back, that's
the thing I remembered because it was so recent, being able to compare Browley's
father to how he was in the first movie. But in terms of comparing
Barda to that previous movie, I'm having a hard time remembering how he was
portrayed. He seemed from beginning to end as a better father overall, although
even in the movie in the special, he kind of came kind of became
a better father as the series went on or as the movie went on.
But yeah, he's more so like she even brought up the mother. The
mother was like totally like, bro, we need to watch out for Goku.
She was totally attached and Bardoc was even saying stuff that the mother was
like saying, men don't think like that, and he was like, you
know what, I've been doing so much destroying that I want to save something.
And I don't know, Like that's such a beautiful libe, like you
don't expect such like a hitting line and dragon ball but that was great.
Yeah, no, that that is true. I forgot how the previous one
he was a pretty big asshole at the beginning and didn't really care about being
a father, and he is a bit more redeemable, I would say,
in this movie. But yeah, that was a pretty good line, and
it's just I like just getting that whole backstory, Like it means so much
more compared to when we just first heard at the beginning of Ze how Goku
came to the planet. You don't have any context of why. You thought
it was maybe just like a random kind of occurrence. He just came from
Planet Vegeta. But to get that whole backstory, and I know it was
written later on in this context with this movie, but it was like awesome
to see. It was like, you didn't realize if you think about it,
like, I don't think Bardock realized that doing what he did, letting
him go like that, saved so many people's lives. Yeah, so it
just goes to show, you know, just what a great decision he made
there and recognizing that probably you know, Planet Vegeta is going to get destroyed
and this kid has potential even though comparagon to like other people like Vegeta and
Browley as a baby, you know, those guys just completely outscaled him in
terms of power. So it's not like he was exceptional by anything. I
love the fact, Yeah, I love the fact that they made Goku a
fucking saying an underdog because he was he's way were potentially like his potential was
way less, and he just kept working on it. And yeah, he
surpasses everyone, not broadly yet obviously one on one, definitely not surpassing broadly
again ultra instinct. If he masters it, that'll be uh, that'll be
interesting to see them go head to head. But right now Broley is still
stronger. But Vegeta, He's surpassed Vegeta. He's surpast Freezer right like when
he was born. There is no way any saying thought like, you know,
Goku's surpass Freezer, and he does. And not only that, he
surpasses as stronger Freeze, he surpasses certain gods. It's fucking it's such a
great underdog story, even though from like Quillan's perspective, Goku has such hacks
and like unfair advantages. Well, and I thought that back when I watched
Dragon Ball, where it seemed like everything just came natural to him. I
know he has the whole like we see those training arcs, but so much
at the beginning just comes. You know, he's so young, and you
think, well, here's just this talented fighter. You didn't get any of
the backstory about him being you know, outside of Earth, but you're thinking
here's this kid, or just everything comes so naturally. He's spoiled in the
sense of he has these hidden talents that he didn't have to work for.
But as the series progresses with Dragon ball Z, as you mentioned super where
you know, the world just keeps getting bigger and bigger, we see other
universes and he's just more of an underdog because you see a lot more threats
out there, Like he just keeps proving everyone wrong. And it is a
great kind of more or lesson you could take, or maybe not more or
lesson, but just life lesson you could take in life just how you know,
you could obviously be counted out so many times based on where you started,
because he was kind of like, let's face it just kind of like
the runt of the litter, like all the other there's probably other people well
who as young babies, they were able to power scale higher than Goku.
And you know this kid who didn't really look like he wasn any better than
the other sands he's just proved through you know, so much hard work that
yeah, you can, you know, reach your potential, and your potential
is limitless if you just keep working out. Yeah, I love that.
I love that because like, yeah, there are certain anime where it's like
this guy's the chosen one, and Goku from birth was definitely not like the
chosen one. And the fact that he came so far is is great to
see. What did you think about like Browley, the whole Browley making friends
with that one beast right, and then like getting his ear around his waist
and as like a sort of blanket kind of thing. And then even the
fact that that green skinned alien woman was so into him, like she wants
it, Bro, she wants to get with Bro. So what did you
think about those whole all that stuff that was added in when compared to the
original. I did like it because I thought it brought it allowed me to
like empathize more with him and see more redeemable qualities about him. Um even
thinking to the girl, like at first, he's very standoffish and everyone thinks
he's a jerk. But then when the one guy kind of you know,
bullies her a bit, like he steps right in and risks. I know,
he can't control his anger necessarily, but he realizes that, you know,
here's like a good person, someone who cares about me, and here's
this asshole you know, trying to be he was like step away from my
green skin girl, right, Yeah, So no, I thought it allowed
him to like just it built his character better than and if it was just
this kind of one dimensional angry freak like he's sometimes presented in like the first
one and even the other ones. So I thought that that didn't bring character.
He's such a better character, like if you look at the fact that
you know, they he still had the necklace, so they kept that.
But early on the green trick was like, yo, let me grab that
remote while the father doesn't notice and breaks it, and you think that might
lead to like issues, but really we learned that this broleague can actually you
know, understand to a certain extent, and he can accept when Goku Indian
comes to him and he's like, yo, like you're great, I want
to get stronger. I'm going to help you at you and your friends out.
I want to be able to like spar with you another day, and
you could tell that he's actually on board and he's not this evil dude that
just hayes cacrophan no reason. So yeah, as as all longevity point,
like for bringing him back, this is a much better approach than the non
cannon approach, which was bro It's just this great guy rages and hates Gogu.
Now we have this guy who can actually develop from here, probably develop
his relationship with the alien girl, develop his friendship with that other dude who
joined them, and he can actually become his own character and the main character
of his own life. So with the other Broley, you didn't really see
that. Yeah, here's how I would compare it. I know it's not
the best comparison, but the Browleys in the previous movie reminded me of like
movie Frankenstein, this unhinged character like monster character, grunts a lot, whereas
this character, this new Browley from the supermovie was he turned out to be
more of like the Frankenstein from the novel, which has again more redeemable qualities,
empathizes more with other people, like it was more to like. To
be honest, the Frankenstein monster from the novel is intelligent as fuck, like
Browley is definitely not. Not. Yeah, I'm not That's what I said.
It's not a perfect comparison with like obviously intelligence, but you just as
someone who has watched different adaptation of Frankenstein, you see the book. You
read the book, I enjoyed the book one better because again you had those
redeemable characteristics and I got that with this as well, Like I connected more
with this Browley, you like he kind of mentioned you could see a lot
more of a future with him because he leaves on good terms with Goku,
whereas the other one it's always like, oh, Browley's back. Oh here's
that asshole coming here? Just yeah, right, trying to destroy everything exactly.
And and even though it was I don't think it was like the greatest
backstory or anything. His relationship with with that giant beast and that beast being
his best friend or his first friend. Really I thought that was that was
cool in the sense that it gave his new friends, the girl Aliot and
one dude who helps her. It gave them something to attach to it and
be like, Okay, this guy is sentimental, Like he's not just a
blank monster, and it gave us something to look for and appreciate him Broley,
because he's not just this like blank guy who wants to beat up Goku.
He's this guy who friendship is important to him and he values it so
much that if someone touches his remembrance of his first friend. Then he'll freak
out and get angry, right, and you'll need to stop him. So
although he's not the most socially calibrated person, you appreciate the fact that he
does have emotion, he does have sentiment. He values friendship, and that's
something you can't say about the old Brole. No, not at all.
Yeah, it's compared comparable in a way to like Gohan being friends with like
that. It wasn't a beast, it was like a dinosaur. Like it
seems like a lot of these characters have had relationships in some way with you,
some sort of animal, and he has that as well. And I
mean it does show a lot. It shows like he does care about someone
else besides himself, which is deeply important for a developed character. And it
shows his father as like a dick for actually like shooting the beast for no
reason. But at the same time, it was interesting how when people did
insult his father for treating him horribly, he actually said, that's not a
nice way to talk about my father. So he also had that respect for
his father and that was necessary for when Freeze eventually kills him, for him
to be like, oh, shit, this is the triggering moment I'm going
to turn into a Supersaian legislation. Yeah, he doesn't have that respect in
the first movie, where it's just the only thing holding him back is that
stupid remote. Like every time he you know, goes crazy, he uses
that remote. It just seems controlled by his father in the first one,
whereas this one he has a little bit more. Yeah, he has more
autonomy. Yeah, he has a sense of an independent will compared to just
freaking out or listening to his father. Oh yeah, no, I think
everything about it. I can't think of one thing I prefer in the original
to this one. I mean, it is kind of weird about having like,
you know, a detached ear around your body at all times. It's
probably never been washed like that is probably where this fuck and probably wouldn't make
sense in real life because that ship would decay and smell bad or shit like
that. But beyond that, yeah, I think every change was probably for
the better. The power scaling makes him much more relevant, makes whenever if
they ever run out of material for another arc, they bring back Burley,
He's already stronger than Goku. Like, you know, we could see what
happens, and yeah, no, it's it's interesting stuff. And I did
like the fact that even he had a romantic relationship now uh with that alien
girl, while with you know, it just brings an added sense of depth
to a character, like with Virginia and Boma obviously, Goku and Chi Chi
Gohan and vedel U Krillin and eighteen. It does. It does serve its
purpose having a character have a relationship. I don't think we're gonna see Freeze
with anybody, but otherwise I do appreciate the romantic relationships. Why hasn't Picolo
found anyone yet? You know, here's this guy who he's a pretty decent
guy. Yeah there. I think they're likes a sexual kind of thing.
Yeah, I think that's that's their story. So there aren't I don't think
any quote unquote female ailes among the Amicans. Yeah, well that doesn't mean
anything. He could get with whoever he wants, but it seems, yeah,
he seems very like a sexual, Like, hey, I think they
all are. Yeah, and I think you know, they give birth through
like spinning out eggs and they don't need to like mate for it. So
yeah, that's just not a thing for them. Like, obviously they have
friendship, they can take on father figure rolls and stuff like that, but
like sex is just not a thing. Yeah, oh well but yeah,
no, I mean overall, I thought, really great movie and hopefully we
could um like he makes more of an appearance. I know you said there's
a twenty twenty two movie coming out, yeah, man, And honestly,
I haven't been up to date. If anyone the comments knows the latest about
the actual facts of that movie, what it's going to cover, or even
rumors, I'd love to I'd love to hear it, but no, yeah,
I don't know exactly what it's covering. I think I heard some like
YouTube titles suggesting that it could be really related, but I'm not one hundred
percent sure. I didn't actually like watch the videos to figure out the whole
truth. So yeah, but whatever it is, I'm sure it's gonna be
interesting. This movie set a great precedent, so honestly, I expect a
movie to be better than the series, so we'll see what happens. Yeah,
but every Like, overall, I'm just super optimistic about where Dragon Ball
is going. I didn't I didn't cover this, but in the comments,
someone asked, are we going to the manga next, So yeah, we
will be going to the manga, and we'll be covering chapters forty two to
sixty seven of the manga, which is the Moral arc. So Ray,
yeah, chapter you could write it down to Ray chapter forty two to sixty
seven. And yeah, we'll have two weeks and then we'll come back with
Morrow, and then we have the Granola arc and the Grown arc is not
even finished, so we have pretty much two more episodes before we finished Dragon
Ball Super, and then we'll see where we're at over there if we're gonna
if we're gonna, you know, cover something like the movie Dragon Ball Evolution
and make fun of it. If we're gonna move on to GT. You
know, we haven't decided yet, but we have our next two episodes mapped
out. Yeah for sure. Yeah, No, I'm excited, and we'll
see. Now that Browley is on the table like he has been brought into
the cannon, I'm hoping he's somehow makes an appearance, whatever way that is.
So here's hoping. I mean, Dragon Ball Super seems to be pretty
good with granting the wishes of their fans, so we'll see whether it be
presently or in the future. Yeah, hoping again. The series ended off
again in a way where like that could be the last episode kind of thing.
But yeah, obviously we're always ready for more dragon Ball, and from
what I've heard, the ratings were amazing, so there's no there's no reason
popularity wise for it to not to come back. So we know it's coming
back with a movie, and there might be a series continuation later on as
well. We got plenty of mom got to catch up on. So yeah,
I think that overall the future is really bright for dragon Ball, but
unfortunately we will have to be patient to see what exactly happens with the series
from here. Yeah. But anyways, that is it for this one.
Any closing remarks right because I cut you off there. Oh no, I
was just gonna say something stupid and say, hopefully, yeah, I'm just
shines at some point in the future. There really literally one day. There
are fan creations, and I think there might be one where like, yeah,
I'm just the main character. There is definitely one where it's like what
if Vegeta came down to Earth instead of Goku, and like we could literally
cover them for like an episode or two at some point if we run out
of Dragon Ball material, because they're interesting, right, Like it's like,
how would would Goku be the jerk and then Magina would be the guy who's
like fighting for Earth, Like you know, it's interesting to consider that stuff.
And now that we have, I guess the only thing is with the
fusion, you have to be kind of similar power levels, right, yeah,
that's something they I mean, potentially someone could lower their power level to
the weaker person, but it's not It doesn't make as much sense as like
two around equally strong opponents or arrivals fusing that works the best. I just
I feel so bad for the guy. Like the last time we saw him,
he was just so down after not being invited to the tournament, and
I just, you know, I just wanted to have his moment whatever that
is, maybe fusing with someone who brings the power level down and and winning
that way, Like I just I need yamtra redemption. Somehow. It's funny
we have people in the chat saying there is a Yamas guy, So I
think like people agreed with you, and they're like, you know what we
need to fucking give Yam. We need to make him the main character.
Because he's been shut on enough, like he loses on on Boma, like
nothing has worked out for him, maybe his baseball career, but he's bored
of it. Yeah no, yeah there. We will see. We will
see what happens with Yamtra moving forward. Guys, make sure to stay tuned
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