Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis your host, and
we have an interesting show for you tonight. We have Scott Duchhane. He's
going to be talking about the possible living sky. Are UFOs organic? Could
they be living creatures? Could some of them be? It's going to be
fascinating, I think, And so I want to thank everyone that helps out
with the show, supports the show. Anyone can do that. You can
find that information on our website podcast ufo dot com. We have a new
blog a We have a blogger in Tasmania and he wrote a blog about the
UFO world and his thoughts on that living there all his life down in Tasmania.
So that is uh on our website as well. Um, and let's
see we are I should say I am in a new studio. I moved
last week and so I've noticed the internet has had a little bit issue here.
UM, so I'm hoping it's not going to affect the show tonight.
I'm trying to get that worked out between now and next week and fix anything
that's going on with that. If there are issues, and I think that's
about all I want to talk about. I'm going to let Alejandro, go
from here. How you doing, Alejandro? Good? How are you?
I'm exhausted, but I'm good really, yeah. Yeah, from all that
moving, I don't know that I've ever heard of someone taking as long as
you did. And I know that it wasn't because you were messing around.
You were hauling stuff the entire time. Yeah, some days from six in
the morning until one in the following morning. It was really molly. Yeah,
when you have a big place, you tend to put things in places,
and then you you had no idea that you had things. So oh
yeah, I can only imagine. It's hard enough to move from, you
know, fifteen hundred and two thousand square foot place, but at place two
to three times at I can I can only imagine. Yeah, yeah,
I just want to put everything in a big pile and burn it. But
anyway, So what's going on in the UFO world? So UFOs, Yeah,
there's quite a big going on at least, you know, there's a
lot of news around and a lot of people have seen this, and we've
talked about this. In fact, we've been one of the few outlets to
talk about this. But to the Stars Academy of course, ran by Tom
DeLong, an organization looking into the UFOs and paranormal Some of the other members
are people in intelligence and scientists, and of course Luelzando who used to run
the DoD project investigating UFOs. So there was an SEC filing that came out,
and it's because they're a public corporation. They're kind of a new type
of corporation where it's it's kind of a crowdfunding base type of thing, where
you know, you can buy shares to be part of this company. Well,
a filing came out that said they were thirty seven thousand or million dollars
in debt, and so people started assuming and you saw these videos popping up,
especially with conspiracy people and stuff. Oh, you know, to the
stars is Owes all this money they're going under This was just a big scam
to steal people money from people. There were even some people saying that they
must have spent this thirty seven million dollars or no, they weren't saying they
must have. They were saying, this is what happened. They spent this
thirty seven million dollars building an alien technology spaceship and now they don't want to
share it with anybody, and that's where the money must have went, and
all of this sort of thing, Well, what's money about that is if
they had built a spaceship like that, it probably would have got more than
thirty seven million dollars. But as you know, I've been trying to point
out to people, if you look at that filing, it was for equity
stock compensation, So it's kind of a paper thing. It's not real money.
It's not money that they spent. It's and I'm not going to say
I understand it, but it's kind of been on the internet, and of
course I've addressed it and we've talked about it, I think, on the
show. But it went big in the last couple of days, especially when
Ours Techniqua wrote a story about it and that got picked up by Ashable and
some other news outlets, so it kind of got out there. But arts
technique I kind of took the perspective and the verbice that you heard from kind
of the conspiracy theories and from the social media out there, and obviously the
Two the Stars people got a little upset, in particular Tom DeLong. He
posted a couple of things on social media saying, you know, this guy
got it all completely wrong and they need to retract that, and that got
deleted yesterday. But there's another response that's kind of a little more formal and
explanatory that came out from two the Stars today. Now I am not and
I've sought the help of some people who know about accounting and corporate accounting,
but they've who've tried to explain it, and I know too. The Stars
tries to explain it here, but it's over my head and I think it'll
be over a lot of people's heads. But essentially, what he's saying is
that it's not real debt. I mean, what they've been doing, Like
a lot of early companies, they'll pay their people in stock. So a
lot of these people are practically essentially volunteers, which isn't too surprising because of
course, if you look at Mutual, UFO Network, any of these organizations
out there, they're all volunteers. But this these guys are getting paid in
a stock so that if the company does well, you know at some point
this stock will be worth something. And so that's what that number relates to
as actual stock. It's not money they owe or anything. Now, they
didn't address part of that SEC filing which just say something to the effect that
this could be an issue for their viability going forward. In fact, it
calls it a growing concern, and it says these factors raised out about the
company's ability to continue as a going concern. So obviously it's it's uh,
something that is, you know, internally, something they're working on. But
it's not what it was, you know, it's not debt like they said
it was. And in fact, To the Stars has reached out to many
of the news outlets who have posted corrections to their stories. Our technique,
I guess has not done that yet, but many other outlets have, so
you know, it's it's not what it's been portrayed out there. And of
course a lot of people jumping the gun before they got information, and as
we've said, you know, we'll wait for more information, and it appears
to be what we thought it was. It's not like, you know,
this this huge debt like people are trying to make it out to be,
nor have they built an alien spacecraft or anything like that. In fact,
we know what they're up to because they're posting videos about what they're up to.
They're up to um, you know, looking into these materials and apparently
they have some material that they believe have been retrieved from UFOs or anomalous occurrences
which are showing some promise. Apparently that they are doing some scientific studies and
have found some of this stuff to be genuinely anomalous. And I know,
over time, and I don't think it's going to be the two distant future,
they want to share their findings, so it'll be great to see that
information once it comes out. But of course that sort of work that they're
doing, the lab testing, while it's expensive, isn't millions and millions of
dollars. And in fact, in this filing you can't see those numbers.
I mean, everything they're doing, all these numbers are there, and you
can see that these operating costs have cost them, you know, one hundred
thousand or so dollars, So it's been expensive. But that's what precludes this
testing to happen in this field often is that it is expensive. And you
know, expectative for an average person is in the thousands to tens of thousands.
Normal person out on the volunteer can't afford to pay that to get this
step analyzed. So it is I feel beneficial that they're doing this, and
we'll see what happens with the material. At least we'll learn more about some
of the materials out there that have been suspected to be anomalous. So that's
some news that's out there because those stories have been running. And you know
how it is with the news cycle. Once the wrong story gets out,
that is the predominant story, and typically corrections, you know, they either
don't get out there, you never hear about them. So that's that's the
story that people remember and uh right and fall back on. Now. Um,
so this was a public filing? Is that how this get out?
Exactly? It's a public filing. It's something that they have to do.
This filing, let's see, was posted on June thirtieth, twenty eighteen,
so it's been out there for a while before people kind of ran across it.
But of course this is the Securities and Exchange Commission, and since they
are a corporation that are dealing in shares, that's why they have to,
um, you know, follow the rules and regulations and some of that is
to disclose and to write these reports. So there is one actually from last
year you can go find as well. Um, but yeah, this was
the latest update. Now when they when they do something like this, Um,
you said that Tom Tom made some type of statement. Did he just
did he clear it all up and say, hey everyone, everything's okay,
you know, stop worrying or anything. What was essentially of what he wrote,
the gist was explaining, I guess to begin, this is kind of
an introduction. We appreciate the professionalism and most media channels who have taken the
steps to update their articles and inform their readers of their mistake, and you
know, gets into how essentially just saying, this isn't debt like people keep
saying like many other startups. You know, we're paying our people in stock
and so this is a stockholder equity deficit number that looks like this big number
that we owe, but it's not. If you look at the details the
notes under on that same SEC filing, you'll see more information about that.
I've looked at those notes. I just don't understand accounting speak, so I
don't get it. It's it's often like talking about multiple dimensions and the science
behind that. That's when that's way over my head too. So so that's
essentially what he was saying. He said, you know Tom DeLong that was
from to the Stars. Tom Deloon personally said, I want to mention that
I appreciate, you know, those who have reached out and those journalists who
have been correcting things. But that's about all I've said. So they didn't
speak to that point of whether or not you know, the stay of the
company. You know, I don't think that doesn't appear they want to make
a comment on that as of yet, but I haven't reviewed all the corrections,
and maybe one of those corrections will speak to that. Okay, great,
we have just a couple of minutes. Anything else. I guess that's
the big news that people will see out there right now. Otherwise, you
know, really, yeah, that's the biggest thing out there. Otherwise,
I would say there's lots of news out there about Project blue Book because the
New York Comic Con a week or so ago, and those are some really
neat stories out there. So I would recommend people take a look at that.
You know, Excitements growing for this television show that will be coming out
January one about Project Blue Book and doctor j Allen Heineck. Oh it's January
one. Wow, So they're really promoting this ahead yeah, I think it's
January. I'm pretty sure it is. Now you're making me question, but
well, anyone, anyone can look that up. All they have to do
is see yeah Google that it's coming out very soon, is what we need
to know. Yeah, right, all right, and January's coming up really
quick. You know, the holiday's come, you know how it is after
Halloween all of a sudden, it's Thanksgiving, then it's Christmas and you're like,
whoa where did those three months go? You know, about three or
four days ago, I had to go to home depot for something and I
walked in the door and it was Santa Claus and Christmas trees and man,
it's October. Oh my gosh, you're kidding. No. I took a
picture of it and put it on Facebook, and it's like, you know,
I was joking with the girl there, I said, is this for
next year? You know you're doing it earlier and earlier all the time.
Anyway, Yeah, I mean it's Halloween. We need our costumes still.
Yeah. Well anyway, all right, well thanks Alajandro and all right,
thank you. We'll be talking next week and everyone up, don't forget to
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Excellent. All right, I'll talk to you next week. All right,
tuck to you next week. Have a great show. All right, thank
you. So our guests. Our guests this evening is Scott Duche and he
has a couple of books, The Sky Is Alive, The Living Sky and
we're going to be talking about all that and so much more fascinating topic.
Welcome to the show, Scott, Thank you, Martin, thank you for
having me. Yes, and we have in the background you have some posters
going. When we pop up on full screen, we'll be able to show
the people watching YouTube that. So I thought this was fascinating because I remember
what your your subject is because I've watched a video one time. I remember
it clearly. It looked like a jellyfish and it looked like something living.
And a few people have talked about, you know, experiences where they were
thinking things were alive. That's a whole other subject I'll talk to you about
as we get into it a little bit more. But what what caused you
to look into this and also what made you take this approach that I don't
think anyone else has ever taken. Well, actually, it's not my idea
totally. I've taken it sort of some logical conclusions or some logical next steps.
But I'm sure a lot of folks who were interested in UFOs are familiar
with the name Kenneth Arnold. You know, he's the gentleman who's sighting in
nineteen forty seven, sparked the whole term flying saucer. Well, he studied
UFOs the rest of his life, and he came to the conclusion that they
were some kind of natural flora or fauna of the atmosphere, that they were
living things. And it's kind of a mystery to me why more people don't
pay attention to everybody sort of lionizes Kenneth Arnold. But nobody pays attention in
those conclusions that he had. I know there's been interviews with his daughter where
she talks about some of his conclusions. But he talks to pilots many islets
during his research, during his study of UFOs, and a lot of them
told him stories of lifelike UFOs that are approaching planes. So what you described
earlier, people saying, oh, it looked like a jellyfish. Oh it
moved, and you know, that's a very common thing. In fact,
that's what sort of led me into the that whole area of study looking at
you know, once we started finding that you can have visual evidence of UFOs.
Me I've always been fascinated by scary stories, and once we started having
videotapes and DDDs, I decided to look closely and a lot of the UFO
evidence. So you had people who didn't have access to a camera before,
all of a sudden recording these things. And now everybody with a phone has
a camera, so all of a sudden, you're seeing, you know,
thousands and thousands and thousands of recordings of these objects, and you look at
them, and so many of them. Well, first of all, as
sure, you're well aware, most of them are blurry or indistinct or you
can't tell what it is. But the few where they are clear, they
don't really look like mechanical craft. But a lot of them look like what
we call, you know, the kind of organisms that we see living in
Earth's oceans. And that's so it sort of started me down that avenue is
looking considering the possibility that our atmosphere might be a habitat it's similar to Earth's
oceans. And the more I've looked, the more I've found. It's just
a fascinating topic, and there's all kinds of evidence out there, all kinds
of visual evidence, And the best thing about it is that it provides a
clear path for study going forward. We're not just looking at things in the
past and saying, oh, what was it? What was it and arguing
about what it was. There's actually different specific ways we can go forward and
study this and try and find out if this is really a provable hypothesis.
Well, a couple of things I thought of in this whole topic of yours,
and one of them is are these things actually supposed to be floating?
Or how do they maintain you know, uh, weightlessness you know less scenaire
as they say, um, you know and then navigate and all that.
That's a good question. A lot of people ask that, they go how
do they stay up? You know, why don't they just fall out of
the sky? And to really understand the topic, one of the reasons that
it's, uh, it's kind of simple, but it's kind of revolutionary in
a lot of ways. But one of the challenges to understanding the topic is
you have to understand several different things. First, you have to think of
the atmosphere. You have to understand a little bit about Earth's atmosphere, and
then you have to understand a little bit about the UFO problem. You know
what what we see with the question of UFO is why are you know,
the whole nature of the phenomena? And then is where it take sort of
a wrong a sort of a left turn, and you have to look the
type of organisms that we find in Earth's other fluid environment, the ocean.
But let's go let's start with the atmosphere. We think of the atmosphere.
I heard somebody once say that goldfish don't know what water is because they swim
in it all the time. And now we don't think of the atmosphere as
a habitat because we just take it for granted. But it's this giant environment.
It's this vaporous cloud that surrounds the planet. It's huge. It has
five million times more volume than Earth's oceans, and we tend to think of
it it is just empty space, but it's not. There's huge amounts of
water and minerals and energy just coursing through the atmosphere on a scale we can't
even imagine. So closer to the Earth, the atmosphere is more dense,
and as we rise higher, it gets less dense, until at the edge
of space. There's not really a hard line there. It's just kind of
some kind of transfer back in fourth between the edge of space and Earth's atmosphere.
So things moving through the atmosphere don't have to float, they just have
to be less dense than what's immediately below them. So it's like asking,
you know, why don't fish to sink to the bottom of the ocean.
Well, they maintain their buoyancy through that fluid environment. And that's what I'm
proposing, is that the types of organisms that we seem to see in the
atmosphere or the kind that can maintain that sort of buoyancy. Now, I
understand you just said that there's five million times more volume in the atmosphere than
all the oceans, But don't you I mean, it seems to me that
if there was actually something up there, wouldn't it be detected more often?
Or is it just that it's so vast? I mean it all kinds of
things come to mind. How do these things breed? Where do they hang
out? For the most part, what do they eat? Do they eat
birds? No? I mean, well that's a good question. Actually that's
a good question. Those are great questions, and part of it comes down
to another challenge about this hypothesis is accepting I mean, we tend to think
we're humans, tend to think that we're the grand Puba of the you know,
the food chain that we're at the top of the food chain. But
if you think of our planet's environment and the different habitats that are there,
you know, it's two thirds three quarters of the planet is oceans. We
can't live in the oceans enveloping the whole planet, or the atmosphere. We
can't live in the atmosphere. Our habitat is just this tiny skin on the
surface of the land. We can't live below the surface of the land.
We live on the surface of the land. So if you think about our
perspective, that's our perspective right on the surface of the earth. Now,
if you think in the past, we've only been having powered air flight for
a little over one hundred years, So we don't. We tend to think
that we understand what's up there, but we really don't. Now, there's
a possibility that there is an entire realm of life that's too fast, too
smart, and possibly you know, too indistinct, too good at disguising itself
for us to perceive. And you ask, why don't we see them all
the time? Well, we do, as you're aware. One of the
mysteries of the UFO phenomena is how many people see them, and people see
them all the time, and that was to me one of the one of
the bits of kind of evidence is sort of cemented in my mind that this
was a real possibility. I said, Okay, let's test this hypothesis.
You know, if these are living creatures, you know, if they're up
in the atmosphere, wouldn't people see them? And I thought, well,
what's the most credible evidence that we can find. I said, let's go
look at the NASA program. Let's see what you know the astronauts have seen.
Let's go look at what the Shuttle and the space station I've recorded.
And what I found just boggle my mind. You were probably aware of some
of the footage it's out there, some of the Shuttle footage. It's out
there that's been reported, as you know UFO sightings and unexplained objects. But
if you look at these things, they are just hours and hours and hours
of unexplained objects moving through the atmosphere. Talking about from the sorry, from
the capsule windows. We actually have to go to break here. So I'm
gonna have to Okay, we'll have to come back to this, but so
let's just come back to this up. I'm going to ask the question,
are these things that they have filmed right outside, right outside the window basically,
and okay, so hang in there everyone, We're going to go to
break right now. So we'll we'll go back to that looking out the window
of a capsule or whatever it is, space station or all that. Um,
yeah, it sounds great. Yeah. So, um, anyway,
you you actually, um, I didn't ask this in the in the main
part of the show, but what actually got you interested in the topic of
UFOs to begin with? Uh, Well, my brother used to read me.
I don't know if you remember Frank Edwards Stranger than Science. Do you
remember those books? Yeah, he used to read those two uh to my
sister and my brother and I and scare the pants off of us. And
so of course I wanted to find out, you know, what's really going
on, you know, so you can blame Frank Edwards. And then of
course I started researching the reading the greats like John Keel and Ivan Sanderson,
And in fact, Ivan Sanderson wrote a whole book, uh, postulating that
UFOs might be living creatures. So yeah, like I said, it's not
it's not my original idea. My idea is just to say, oh,
they're they're kind of similar to the organisms. It's not a stretch of the
imagination. I think they might be very similar to the organisms we find in
the oceans. But yeah, that's you know, the whole idea, The
scary story aspect of it is what got me interested in it. And have
you explored other topics as well, You've written other books. Well, yeah,
my career it was actually producing educational booklets for different organizations. So that's
one of the things that sort of led me into this area as well.
I studied, I did a lot of work for conservation agencies where I studied
living things, habitats, natural resources, how all those things interacted to create
an environment to make life possible. And so it got me thinking about the
resources in the atmosphere, and that's sort of I thought, oh, gosh,
you've got all these resources in the atmosphere for a habitat. I wonder
what's there. And sure enough, everywhere we look, you know, we
find more things. And that's something we can talk about to some of the
areas in the atmosphere where we find things that seem to look like living things.
Yeah, I've heard I've heard of scientists say that the atmosphere around Earth
is like the skin of an apple. It's not right, it's not in
comparison to the earth. We don't have a lot of it, which right,
And that's a that's what's it's kind of In fact, that's one of
the things that's kind of important about why we need to study this is because
you know, if these things, I mean, we can talk when we
get back to from the break, we can talk about some about sprites.
I don't know if you've heard anything about those. Yeah, yeah, I
watch the documentary on that before they right, reverse lightning actually goes up,
which right, yeah, well they Well, I'm one of my one of
my contacts sent me something recently about an astronaut who was I think it was
sts Shuttle Mission one fifteen where he just was interviewed by someone and he said
that the things that they saw their looked like they were organic and it was
that was interesting because for an astronaut to say that, it was kind of
a big that's a big deal, right, Yeah. Yeah, there's been
a few that have said some pretty interesting things. Yeah, and according I
don't know, you're familiar with Martin Stubbs, the fellow that recorded a lot
of this footage He was a Canadian public access television director and in the early
days, a lot of the shuttle feeds down from you know, the shuttle,
they were unsecured, and so he was there with the public access television
station in Canada and he would just record, you know, just keep changing
the tapes out, recording all the stuff from the shuttle. Hang. I
just mean, I think we're about ready to go back, all right,
welcome back. This is Martin Willis, My guest is Scott. To Shane
and Scott. We were talking just before the break about what people had been
filming outside of the window NASA spacecraft or actually the space station as well,
I believe, but if correct me if I'm wrong, But a lot of
the footage. Are you talking about this footage that people caught, that was
transmitted or that someone can actually get the files? Now? Oh yeah,
there's a whole range of different pieces of footage. They have been caught over
the years of the decades of exploration. As a matter of fact, you
know, you don't have to look very far to find this evidence. The
first time we put a man into orbit, John Glenn, he reported the
famous firefly incident where he saw these objects, these luminous particles all around his
capsule as he moved there through you know, around the planet, and he
saw them near dawn each time as he came into the dawn area of the
atmosphere. And after that, you know, if you think about the astronauts
orbiting the planet, I mean, their first impulse, their first concern is
safety to do everything correct or they can get back down safely. So when
we had a chance to remain in orbit for longer times with the space station,
and we're during the Shuttle program, they had a little more time to
focus on the things that were outside the craft. And when they started looking
outside the craft, they actually recorded some amazing stuff. Some of it was
by design, but some of it was by accident. They used some different
cameras that would reveal things that weren't visible to the naked eye. For example,
the Shuttle mission thirty nine, and they call him STS STS thirty nine
in nineteen ninety one, they used a type of camera called Cyrus, which
is an acronym for a camera that allowed to look into the infrared spectrum.
But when they trailed it, when they pointed it outside, they saw this
whole swarm of things moving by the camera. They look like pulsing squid,
which are one of the types of organisms that are very prominent in Earth's oceans,
and they're perfectly suited from moving in in a fluid environment. And they've
also been reported flying. So we know that squid fly, and we know
they'll come out of the water, and we know that some of them are
bigger than we even imagine. Now is it a big stretch to think that
some of them move up through the atmosphere. Well, this particular piece of
footage from STS thirty nine actually shows what seemed to be a swarm of these
things moving by the capsules. They all right, everyone, that's it for
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