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Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. I hope you're all having a
good week and getting into the Christmas spirit. I'm Nick Hunter and this is
the UFO Chronicles podcast. Our guest tonight is Mike, coming to us from
the Mississippi Gulf Coast and back in the fall of nineteen eighty eight, Michael
was camping and fishing with his friend and brother when he witnessed a UFO in
a field. And when Michael got back to camp and explained to them both
for what he had just witnessed, another UFO comes along hovering over the lake.
Michael is up next, but first, if you enjoy the show and
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the show. Hello, Michael, Welcome to the show. Hey, how
are you doing there. I'm doing pretty good. Great to have you with
us today. And you're calling from Mississippi right. Yeah. The Mississippi Gulf
Coast, right down there in the south, as far south as you can
get unless you go to Florida. Good stuff. Okay, Now, Michael,
you have some experiences you're going to be shared of us. Would you
like to start at a beginning place, sir, Yeah, yeah, I'll
do that. So growing up, I was, I guess, probably attracted
to a lot of the subjects that would you be considered paranormal, But aliens
in UFOs was actually not one of those subjects. I don't know why.
It's actually kind of cool when you look into it, but yeah, that's
not one of the things I was ever interested in. But that changed when
I was And actually I have to say, this is November twenty second,
This is I was fifteen years old. That was thirty five years ago.
It happened actually nearly thirty five years ago. My birthday is on the tenth
of November, and the incident that I'm talking about actually happened on the eleventh
of November of nineteen eighty eight. My friend and my brother, with my
best friend and my brother, we were going to go camping and go fishing,
and we were going to go and set up camp and have everything ready
so that we could wake up early. And you know, we were camping
next to a lake. Now the place that I lived, now, this
happened in Sheppard, Texas, and the place that I lived it was called
Lake Choctaw, and Lake Chalktaw has a history of its almost akin to I
would almost say Skinwalker Ranch in a sense, but not exactly. We weren't
experiencing like you know, like the giant wolves and things like that. No,
but there were a lot of things that did happen out there that were
odd. For example, one thing, there was an old man who did
have a cabin next to that lake, and when I talked to him,
he used to tell me. I asked him like, what would he do
there? Because I just thought at the time, you know, I'm just
a kid, and I'm thinking, why are you just sitting out here drinking
beer staring at the lake. And That's actually what I asked him. And
he told me, I like watching the ball lightning, and he told me
about the different colored ball lightning. And I thought the man was crazy.
Well, again, we were going to go camping and we get everything there
and I realized that the clock that we brought it didn't have the battery had
fallen out of it, and so we didn't have a We weren't able to
actually along. We didn't know what time it was. So I decided that
I'm going to go back home, and it's almost getting dark, and so
they were going to stay there, my brother and my best friend, they
were going to stay there where we were going to camp while I went back
home, and I was just going to kind of jog because you know,
I'm by myself. I didn't really want to be out there in the dark
either, and it was dark now. The road that that we would go
down, it's like a it's like a circular road that would go around the
entire place. We just called it the lease. It was a lease,
and there was a circle that went all the way around, and then there
was another one that would go right through the middle of it that kind of
cut that circle in half. I'm following the circle back around. And where
I lived was if you came in as you're coming in off the main like
you're coming in off the main road, you're coming into the lease, there
was a gate and then once you get inside of that gate, you know,
you would just go down a little waves and on the left we lived
there, and it was where it was almost like driving into a tunnel of
trees, because it was it was a canopy of trees over our home and
on both sides of the street now, but before you got there, on
the right hand side, there was a field and the field was worked by
a man named Schrader, mister Strader, and we knew him as kids.
He would always tell us, you know, take you know, keep an
eye on the field for me. And so we would see him when he
would be out there, and there were a few times that he was out
there late. And when he was out there late, you would see his
tractor and that big tractor would have these lights on it. But whenever I
came down the road, is I'm coming back to go home to you know,
get the batteries and you know, work through the clock. As of
coming back on the right hand side, almost the very back of the field,
there's a light there. I thought it was, you know, the
light of the tractor, but then I thought, well, there's just one
light and his tractor had two lights on the top. And so as I'm
seeing this light, I start to walk slow, and I'd say I was
running. I was kind of jogging trying to get home quickly. But when
I saw that light, I stopped and I'm just walking real slowly watching this
light. And as I get up to the fence of that field, I
look to the right to see was mister Strader's truck there or you know,
did I see anything with a gate open for that field whether it wasn't.
And as I'm looking and I noticed, like I said, that he's not
there, and I'm trying to understand what is this light? And as the
light just just starts to lift up and it gives him about tree level and
it just starts coming toward toward me. But as I said, it was
on the back right hand side of the field, and it starts coming toward
the middle of the field and forward and to the center of the field,
and I don't know what to think. I was kind of froze at first.
I thought, what is this helicopter doing out here? And it wasn't
until it got, you know, nearly to the center of the field that
I realized that it's not making any sound, and I was kind of I'd
have to say, I was a bit froze for a moment. I just
didn't know what to think because I've just watched this, you know, this
light lift up. I mean, it's just wild. It's you know,
it's crazy to see. But then I don't know how to explain it.
But I felt really excited. And our home, like I said, was
just a little further down this dirt road to the left, and I wanted
to see this thing better. And I ran and that thing was my father
had just bought binoculars like that week, and I knew where it's like,
I knew where they were. And that was the first thing that came to
my mind, was if I when I wanted to see this better, I
thought, I can, you know, I just run home, get in
the house really fast, and get those binoculars and come back. And so
I took off. I wanted to see this thing closer. I took off,
and I got once I went into the canopy, like I said,
it was already dark. But once I went into that canopy, it's just
it's so hard to see. There were no lights on to Truthfully, we
were very poor and we had no electricity at the time, and this light
it followed me as I went to as I went home, it came.
It kind of followed behind me, and it stopped at the front left corner
of the field, behind the trees, and through the trees you could see
like the rays of light come through this extremely bright blue white light, and
it lit up that entire place, almost like daytime, but it was just
a different color. It was just a like I say, a blue white
color. And I was shaking trying to get the key in the lock and
get it open, and I finally I got it open and I ran in
and the binoculars were right there. I grabbed them and I come running out,
and as I ran out, that light drifted away. And I have
to say, now, this is one thing I I didn't mention. It
looked like a single light when it was on the ground, and when it
lifted up. I don't know at what point that it changed, but it's
almost as if I realized that it wasn't just a ball of light, but
it was whenever I first saw it, that is what it was. It
was just a ball of light there. But as it came forward at some
point, I know, I don't know when, but it turned into a
triangle. And I mean, like like as if you're looking at a pyramid,
not triangular like I see a lot of the UFO pictures, where like
a flat triangle. I mean it was like a pyramid standing up. It
had these and the lights looked like as if they were a light on each
corner. And so it at some point, like I say, changed from
being a ball to this pyramid which looked like three lights. And when I
come running back out, it drifted away from me, back towards the center
of the field, but it didn't quite go back as far as it did
before, so it was it was closer. And I'm trying to get the
binoculars out, and I'm just staring at this thing the whole time, and
I'm trying to lift it up, and my hands were strare. I didn't
realize how much I was shaking until I tried to lift the binoculars up and
something actually I kind of I say, I would say odd, because as
I lifted the binoculars to my eye, and I didn't think about this till
later, but I still whatever that was, I feel like it knew I
was about to burn my own eyes solt with these binoculars looking at this light
because it was so bright, and as I was getting trying to hold the
binoculars up, like I said, shape, I was shaking too much really
to hold them. But as I'm trying to pull them up, those lights
turned off. But they went off like stadium lights, you know, slowly.
They didn't just turn off, They just dimmed down until they were off.
And then once I, like I said, I couldn't hold the binoculars
steady and I had to put it on the fence. I propped the binoculars
on the fence and was trying to look through there, and I realized that
it was just like a disc shape. I don't know how it was ever,
you know, the ball shape or the pyramid shape, because it had
the light on the top. Like I said, it was looked like lights
on three corners, but there were no corners and there was no point at
the top for there to be a light there. I don't know how that
worked. I just know that there were three lights they turned off. There
was nothing there. It wasn't that far, that's the thing. It was
not that far from me. This thing was probably i'd say fifty to sixty
yards away. It wasn't that far. And when I tried to look through
it with the binoculars. I realized that there was there was nothing there other
than just this disc. I was trying to see, if you know,
I don't know, for some reason in my mind, I was looking for
windows. I don't know why I thought that, but I you know,
I never saw a UFO before, and so I'm looking to try to see
if I can see through a window. But all I could see was these
small lights at the towards the bottom, and they were just flashing like different
colors. They were really small lights. And I can't say really how long
this lasted. I was just froze staring at it. Eventually I stopped looking
trying to look through the binoculars because it was too difficult, and I'm just
staring at it. And as I stopped looking, you know, through the
binoculars, those lights seemed to get a little brighter. And after actually what
seemed to be an eternity, it really felt like a long time that I
was there, that disc started to drift backward to about the same position it
was in when it very first came forward, and it it rested therefore,
I think, I said, I don't know how long but several minutes,
and then all of a sudden, as if it was attached to a rubber
band that was stretched out and just let go, and it just shot up.
And when it shot up, whatever speed it was going, it was
almost as if it started off at top speed. It just that's the only
thing I can come up with to compare it to with us, as if
it was attached to the bottom of a rubber band, you know, allowed
to go. And I stared it just went so high to it just turned
to like a dot, like a you know, I watched it turn into
like a dot, and I just couldn't stop staring at it until it,
you know, went away, and I left the binoculars there and everything.
I ran. I ran to go back to the place we were camping.
And when I got there. Now to me, I say, that lasted
a long time. But I mean in minutes. You know, I can't
imagine standing there looking at a UFO for too long without it, you know,
leaving. But anyways, it just seemed like a long time as in
minutes. But I've ran went back a friend and brother and I'm trying to
tell them and they're they're already asleep. They're in the inside of the tent
sleeping and I start, you know, check out, grabbed my friend by
the leg and I'm trying to tell him, you know, hey, man,
I saw a UFO. I saw Ufo. I saw a UFO.
I kept saying that, and it woke h up. They were like dead
asleep and he's looking at me like wiping his eyes, and he's like,
where have you been? And I just saw a Ufo. He's like,
man, what are you drinking? I said, dude, I saw a
Ufo. And my brother had woken up and he's staring at me and he
said the same thing. Where have you been? I said, I saw
a Ufo. I kept repeating I saw a Ufo. Well actually they were
like whatever, you know, and started to lay back down. And actually,
to be honest with you, it made me mad because to me,
I just saw the most insane thing I've ever seen in my life. And
I'm trying to tell him and I'm immediately not being believed, and I yeah,
just mad. And so as I started to tell him again, but
as I I turned, because like I said, I was mad, I
turned and over the lake there was another light coming, just a blue light.
And I had explained it. It was like a blue soft light,
and it looked I'd have to say, it looked like about the size of
a large beach ball. At least that's what it looked like to me at
the you know, at the time. Well, when I saw that,
I just, you know, I yelled, there's another one. There's another
one. There's another one. And he looked, you know, kind of
looked at me. I leaned and I reached I grabbed him by his leg
and I started pulling him out, and he set up. I grabbed him
by his hair and pulled him out and like pointed his head at the light.
I said, there, and then he stood up, and then my
brother came out. And this light was moving so slow they were able to
put their shoes on, and I actually I believe he tied his shoes.
I don't remember now, but I know that we were walking following the thing,
and it was coming over the lake. Well when we came back to
you know, we're going to follow this thing. And like I said,
before, this lease it had a road that went all the way around it,
and then it had the one that cut through the middle, which it
wasn't much of a road, it was almost more of a pathway. We
walked over there, and we waited for it to come toward us, and
we walked behind it, and we followed that thing. We walked all the
way back to where I told them I saw the first one. It went
right to that same place, and it did the same thing when it when
it got to that part where the other one had shot into the sky,
this blue this blue globe, it's like it turned off and then these little
lights underneath of it turned on and the same thing, like I said,
as if it was attached to a rubber band and just, you know,
let go. And it was in this guy. It was like in space
almost instantly. And I was like, you know, I couldn't believe it.
I was, And so of course me, I'm saying, like I
told you, I told you, I told you. You know, it
went back to the same place. This is where I told you it went.
And like I said, I had left the binoculars there, and I
realized then that the binoculars are still on the fence post. I grabbed the
binoculars. Okay, now here's another thing. My parents were out of town.
We were there alone. My parents were out of town, and they
were coming in in the morning and I grabbed the binoculars in the box that
they were in, and we went back home, and I couldn't help,
but that's all we were talking about. And I immediately grabbed a sketch book
and was just trying to sketch all the different ways that I saw as it
was, you know, again, that's when I really started to realize,
Hey, wait a minute, that thing changed from a ball to a pyramid.
You know, that's really when I really that kind of sunk in.
But I could still never tell, you, like, when that happened.
So I immediately just start drawing sketches of this, you know, trying to
from when I very first saw it and what you know, when it followed
me and I'm kept, you know, and of course I just kept retelling
the story to them, and and it didn't seem like long. It started
to get light, and my parents were coming home at that time. They
were they were coming home, like I don't know exactly what time it was,
but it wasn't far after daybreak, long after daybreak, and I'm telling
it. I'm excited telling them about it, and I'm telling my dad.
Now, my dad, he was actually I guess in the UFOs I didn't.
I didn't know that he was much in the UFOs and I knew that,
you know, we would talk about ghosts and you know, paranormal stuff.
And I don't really even recall talking to him about UFOs much at i'll,
you know, But anyways, after I told him, I'm showing him
these drawings, and he's like, where was it? You know, told
me we go out there. And when we got out there and this this
is like as the sun's coming up over the tree line of what would have
been the side of the tree line on the side of the field closer to
our home, and we were looking at this. We're going to go try
to see if left any you know, there any like impressions in the ground.
And I didn't. We didn't see impressions in the ground. But what
we saw was something that looked like cotton candy and a circle. It was
a like a white cotton candy. And whenever I, you know, whenever
we saw that, my dad told me it's called angel hair. I'd never
heard of that before. He said it was called angel hair. And I
ran home and got a mayonnaise jar, an old you know, cleaned out
Manna's jar, and took a stick and just started scraping that stuff in there
into this mana'se jar because I wanted to save it, because to me,
on like, we have to turn this in, we have to look,
we have to get this analyzed. I mean, I was all about,
we have to report this, we have to do this, we have to
do that. While we were standing out there, as the sun completely came
up, and as the usually fake there's dew on the grass, and the
sun comes up and the sun starts to dry the dew off the grass,
and we're still We're still out there talking. You know. Now, I
think my mother came out there, and I believe someone else may have come
out there. But as the sun come up, we realized that all of
that stuff it just evaporated or something. That angel hair stuff, it evaporated.
And whenever I went and I got to picked up the jar, but
it looked like there was nothing in there. I don't know what happened to
it. It just looked like it evaporated. But I brought it home.
I kept that for a while. Then odd things started happening. Well,
first off, I saw a line inside of my thumbnail under my thumbnail,
under my left thumbnail. I saw this a line that was about, I
don't know, I guess about a quarter inch long. And this was some
days after actually, and I took a needle and just start scraping and scraping
and scraping and scraping until I got down to that thing. I don't know
why, but I had this feeling like, you know, there's something there.
I don't know why, but I just had a feeling there's something there.
I picked it out and it was like metal, you know. It
made me think of like a metal bristle off of a you know, a
wire brush. But I think there's no way that that could have gotten under
there. After I took that out, I put it in a little jar,
a little pimento jar. I wanted to save it because I felt for
some reason, I don't know why, but I didn't think of anything about
being abducted. I didn't actually, honestly that time, I didn't know anything
about abduction, so it never crossed my mind. But for some reason I
did think that somehow that was connected. And I don't even know why I
connected it to that, because, like I said, I didn't know anything
about abductions at the time. That most that I knew of was about the
cows. In my mind, I just remember them being like dropped out of
UFOs and you know, had their lips cut off and tongues and you know,
the cattle mutilation stuff. That was as far as I knew anything about
abductions. So again, I don't know why I connected that, but I
did. And so, like I said, it was, I pulled that
out. I saved it in the Pamento jar and I would check my I
would check my fingernails every day. After that, I would just keep checking
my fingernails, keep checking my and periodically another one would just appear and I
would dig it out and get it out. And it was the same thing.
And I was adding these little wire bristles to, you know, into
this pammo jar. Now, after that, that whole thing happened. I
didn't know why, but I started developing anxiety. And I didn't even even
I didn't know what anxiety was. But I started having anxiety attacks, and
I started having weird dreams. And one of the dreams that I was having
was that I was a child, about five years old, and I remembered
it was like in the dream, I remembered I was dreaming of something.
That's what it seemed like. I'm dreaming of something that happened. And near
that lake, my grandmother had a cabin there, and in front of that
cabin was a small field. It was kind of like a yard for her
cabin. And in the dream, I was standing in that field at night
time and these lights were coming over the tree line from where the lake was
at it these different colored lights coming out, and there was these there was
discs that would come out, Hey, as if you drop a quarter on
a table and it just makes that you know, goes around and around,
not on the top edge end, but when it's like almost about to stop
spinning and it's going to go flat. It was like these lights that were
discs were coming out. They were going around me like that, almost as
if it was a game. I remember laughing and watching these lights. But
I'd never dreamed that before. Why it stood out so much when you have
a dream that seems so real. But this didn't just seem like a dream
that was real it now it was a memory. And then these other little
memories just kept opening up. It was these little memories were just starting to
I don't know how to explain it but be released or something. But I
would dream them. I would remember this as if it happened. And I
know it sounds crazy. I fear that I'm saying it, but I mean
that's just so the way it was. But then my anxiety kept getting worse
and worse and worse, and I just couldn't get this out of my mind,
the whole incident of you know, the seeing this UFO. I couldn't.
That's where I was introduced to Whitley Strieber. Actually, because I got
the book Communion. I wanted to because I've wanted to learn anything. I
became obsessed, I feel like about wanting to find out what that was.
And in this cabin that we lived in, like I said, we had
no electricity and it would be so dark in there and I would be afraid
to wake up and not be able to see where I was, and so
I would try to find little lights or keep a flashlight with me because I
became afraid. And actually I'd have to say that fear has followed me till
today. Of going to sleep, I can't go to sleep without having a
light on somewhere. I still have a light on till now, grown man
fifty years old. I still keep a light on. I just I don't
know it affected me that much even until now. But like I said,
these dreams were I'm having these dreams and as if I'm recalling memories. And
then I had a dream that I was older, because as I'm dreaming these
things, but as I'm dreaming them, it's like going in a chronological order
forward in age and have It's like I'm dreaming about different incidents where I've actually
already seen it. When I thought that was the first time I ever seen,
you know, a UFO or something like that. I started to have
these recollections and a chronological order through these dreams. Then it would be gaps
and then I would be a little older, and then another gap that I'd
be a little older as if I was you know, if I were to
look back at it now, it would be as if I'd have to say
it was if I was being visited like at different times in my life,
and like maybe you know, every couple of years or something. But at
that age you grow so fast. I could tell the difference in myself in
these dreams, and then those dreams caught up with my current age. At
the time, and I dreamed that I was in a room and it was
just a metal room and it was cold. I was I don't know what
I was sitting on, but I know that I couldn't move. But I
was sitting, but sitting, uh, not sitting down. I was kind
of being held up. I was having that anxiety. I started having that
anxiety in that dream. I realized I'm nude. I don't have any clothes
on, and that was why I was so cold. I guess it's the
you know, when you recall the grave. There were three of them in
there. As I'm having this anxiety attack, I start to feel emotional thinking
about this, but this one started to speak to me as to calm me
down, but it felt like as if it was a female. I realized
they had placed something on me and it actually hurt, and they just walked
out. And then I don't remember anything after that because I don't remember if
I woke up or what. But that's where that memory stops that kept following
me. We moved away from there and we moved to another place in Livingston,
Texas. The place that we lived in there were offices at the bottom
and apartments at the top, and we had an apartment with and an office,
you know, one above the We have the apartment above the office.
And I remember thinking when I in my bedroom there. I don't know why,
but I was thinking, well, at least we're up here. They
can't get to me. And it was so weird. I'd have thoughts like
that, but I wouldn't think about it any other time, but it would
just be certain moments that it would strike me like that. I went in
the room, I saw the window, and I went to the window and
I looked down and I said, well, at least they can't get to
me here, they can get to you there. And they did. And
it continued on through the time that I was there through high school, and
my anxiety just kept getting worse and worse and worse, and it was getting
to where I would I would hide because I'd start to hyperventilate from why I
tell this this is crazier. I feel like I sound. I remember seeing
a doctor they wanted to put me on Riddlin. When they gave me this
medication. All I know is it made me like a zombie. And when
I was on that medication, thing stopped for a little while then I guess,
I say, for a little while, I think it was like in
the very beginning, thing stopped. But then I started to wake up with
them in there with me in this bedroom that I felt was safe, thinking
for some reason that on the second floor was safe, and I'd wake up
with them there and I couldn't move, and that, can you know,
continued on through the time that we were there, and we moved again,
and they continued as we moved from place to place to place that we moved
to, and eventually it tapers are and where at least either it wasn't happening
or I couldn't recall it, as you know, as far as those incidents
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incident that happened. It was near Cleveland, Texas. We went to visit
someone's home, stayed at their home for a couple of nights while they were
out of town. My father and myself, my brother were and we were
staying there because my mom went home to visit her family, and so we
stayed there to watch these people's home for them for I think it was like
a weekend or something, and it was pretty much in the woods. It
was dark. We were watching TV and we has heard this, I guess,
like an explosion. We couldn't tell. It's not like something hit the
ground. You could feel the you could feel the ground shape. We all
jumped up and we ran outside to look to see, you know, with
what was that, and couldn't see anything really, of course, it was
so dark. And my dad he was like, get in a car,
we're gonna go find it. We get in the car and we're driving down
this dirt road and he was driving those dirt road with his lights off to
try to see if he saw anything, you know, in those places.
You know, now I'm used to being, you know, on the Gulf
coast you just can't see the can't see the sky proper here, but there,
you know, you can see the Milky Way, and you know,
you see all these stars in the sky. It was it was beautiful.
And as we're going down watching, you know, trying to look in the
sky and see what, you know, is there anything there, any moving
things? Whatever? There was I don't know how many helicopters. The people
talk about the flat triangular shape craft and it was going so slow, I
don't know how the heck it was staying in the air because it was going
so incredibly slow, and these helicopters were all around it, and it was
as if they were escorting this thing. And where we were Cleveland, Texas,
and the direction they were going was toward Houston, and in that direction.
Now this place isn't There's actually a famous case. I don't remember if
it's in New Caney or Splendora, and I don't remember their names, but
it was the two women and the child where the this was back in the
seventies, I believe, seventies or early eighties that time period, I believe.
But anyways, these are the ones where the I recall that the woman,
I believe they had like radiation effects on them, and one of them
like burning their hand on the car, and I think it really affected the
child mentally. You know. When I to look back and try to learn
more about, you know, other places that they were sidings, I realized
that there were sightings happened pretty often in that area. On Highway fifty nine,
as you're leaving Shepherd, it comes to a point with like the old
highway coming out of Shepherd and then the newer highway fifty nine coming out of
Shepherd, and right in that point there was a shell gas station and my
mother worked there, and this was here. This would have been actually,
this would have been before I saw the UFO that I saw in the field.
She saw a triangular craft. But I didn't know about this until later.
Until later, after I told her what I saw that they that's when
she told me, oh, yeah, I saw you know this. She
told me that she called my dad, and my dad went outside and was
trying to watch for it because really, as the crow would fly where we
were, it was kind of a straight direct where she said it was going,
it would have come, you know, over where we lived. But
I don't believe my father actually saw it. But another story she told me
later on in life, which is so wild. This makes me think something
like something's not right about this. But she told me that whenever I was
a kid and I was in school. Now, remember I said, whenever
I was coming back during the time I saw that UFO in the field,
when I came to the field and then turned left with that corner there,
that corner property. We had to live there when I was younger, and
then we later moved to the other cabin that was in that canopy of trees.
So at this time though, it was when we lived on this corner
property, and that was directly in front of that field, and my mother
told me that when no one was there, we were at school and my
dad was at work, she said a helicopter came. She said she was
outside watering a and she remembered a helicopter go and land in that field and
then come up and come toward her while she was standing there in the yard,
and it land in the yard, and that there was a man staring
at her. And then after a while, because she said, she started
walking backward because she was scared, and then it helicopter lifted up and left.
And then the craziest thing, she said, I didn't know there were
helicopters that didn't make sound. So to her, this helicopter, and I'm
doing air quotes here, this helicopter she saw wasn't making any sound. So
I don't know what kind of experience that was with her. Is somehow something
happened and it was imprinted on her. She remembers it differently. I had
no idea, but you know that also was strange. I would have to
say, for the most part my experience. One of the things that did
was because I'm I was fifteen. I would have to say I was a
pretty open minded guy anyway. But it made me realize to keep an open
mind because I knew at that time I'm not going to be able to tell
the story to just anybody and them either just believe me or not tell me
I'm crazy or tell me I'm full of crap. It was, you know,
there were those options were more likely to happen than someone saying, really
tell me about that, you know what I mean, this is just going
to be not happening in that type of way. And my best friend,
he did not like to talk about it. He didn't want to talk about
it. And one of the reasons he didn't want to talk about it is
because it bothered him more. Because he would bring it up to me.
He would say, man, something happened to you. Something happened to you,
And like, why do you say that? He said, there's no
way you ran home and ran back, but it was morning right after and
that they had gone to sleep. He's like, dude, something happened to
you. Man, I just didn't remember anything happening I just remembered what I
saw, and so to me, I just saw like what I told you
this, you know, saw the UFO that whole experience went back told them,
and you know, that was what I saw. I didn't see anything
else until later on. I started, you know, having these you know,
dreams, and I wouldn't say reoccurring dreams, but it would just be,
like I said, following this line, and then I would have to
say, like the last dream that I did have about having a dream from
something that may have happened, I actually dreamed after the dream that I had
where I was in that room with those three I guess grays whatever they are.
There was a dream that I had where I was at that field watching
that In the dream, I had fallen down or on my back, as
if I had fallen down. Bothered me so much because I knew that I
had never actually fallen down. I never fell down, but I dreamed when
I would dream about that for some reason, and that was a dream that
would be recurring that I would dream and I almost feel like it was recurring
because I wouldn't accept it for some reason, because I felt like no I
lived that I was actually there and that did not happen. The other things,
as I said, they weren't recurring dreams. Those dreams started from whatever
age of like five, I believe, up until the age of fifteen to
that actual incident. But it was that incident, the dream about that incident.
It was. Things were right up until like this whole I'm on my
you know, fallen down thing. And I mean, so I guess maybe
that may have been. If I'm going to just go along with it and
say, okay, yeah I was abducted. Man, if I'm going to
go along with that, I guess I would say that maybe that incident that
happened that was at that time. Otherwise I don't know, but yeah,
that was a recurrent dream. And then, like I said, I guess
I just couldn't accept it or wouldn't accept it, and eventually I just thought,
Okay, I guess it's a possibility, and then I stopped having the
dreams. But I mean, really that pretty much sums up my you know,
as far as like the UFO stuff goes. But you know, that's
that pretty much sums it up. Made me have an open mind for things
that I may not believe. You know, I may hear someone saying because
as I'm saying to you that, I know I sound crazy when I'm saying
this. I know that if I was listening to this, I would probably
be like mm hm. So I knew that then that if I tell anyone,
that's how it would be received. But obviously I actually saw it.
So yeah, it it helped me to have an open mind to things,
and I'm I'm actually grateful for that. If it's nothing else, I'm grateful
for it helping me to keep an open mind because I think that's important.
When you hear someone who is telling you about something that they're giving you a
sincere story that may sound just crazy, but you know, for that person
that's there, that was their life, they lived it. But yeah,
that's pretty much it for that interesting stuff. Michael. Yeah, it's it's
definitely interesting in a way still till now. To me, it's just on
one hand of yeah, these things happened, Well I know the thing what
I saw, I know that happened. It was there's nothing that can't change
that. Yeah, no, I that's I know that. And then like
I say, there was I say physical evidence. I had never heard of
angel hair before my father said that. But then again, like I said,
I'd never heard of or known about abductions other than like the cow of
you know, cow mutilations, cattle mutilations. But it was after that,
later on I did see an episode and this flight flew me away. I
don't remember what show it was, but it was they were talking about like
some you UFO that came down to a college, and I guess this was
back in the forties or fifties or something like that, and this UFO had
come and down on this campus. It had that same kind of stuff falling
out of it, some sort of white cotton candy looking stuff, and they
I heard them call it an angel hair. That's the only time I've ever
heard that again from what I saw, So I don't know how my father
knew to call it angel hair. I have no idea. Yeah, and
there's been several instances where they've been a UFO encounter of some sort, and
there's been this strange substance reported, not since the UFOs has been reported around
movastations of Mary in the past, but it's somebody has been around for a
good while. And I think you were talking about the cat Landrum Dayton Texas.
Okay, Dayton, Okay, Yeah, it either happened there or they
were from there, or they were from the other place and it happened there.
But I do know somehow seeither New Cane, your splendor of plays in
there. Somehow I just don't remember, or maybe one of them was from
there, any other they I don't really recall. But I believe they had
gone to play bingo or something and when they saw that. I could be
wrong, but I believe that's what happened. I think they'd gone out for
a meals or something and that was in I think it was nineteen eighty when
that happened. Okay. You know, it's a very big state and there
was a lot of historic sightings from the Lone Star State. Yeah. I
didn't realize how how many until I started to look back and see, like
you know, I was just trying to see. What I wanted to do
was see where we're sightings reported so I could kind of plot it out and
see, like where was it happening in Texas. I didn't realize there were
so many. The shore is a lot. When you saw your back in
nineteen eighty eight, you know you're you're your campaign. You were fishing and
saw this first object in this field, what size would you give this object?
I would have to say that when it was in the back Okay,
now, one thing that I did forget to say whenever it was in that
field in the back corner, and it looked like a like a globe or
it was like a ball at that time. You know, when someone walks
in front of a light, you know, even at a distance, you
can see that someone walks through there. It did seem like there was some
sort of movement in front of that light, and I did forget to say
that it did seem that there was. And actually that was one of the
reasons that I was really confused because I thought, I thought, no,
it couldn't be mister Strader's tractor because he has two lights on his tractor.
And then I saw that and then I thought, well, okay, well
maybe it is him. Maybe one light just went out. And I never
really thought about that until later. You know that, Okay, something was
outside of that. You know, at some point I saw that movement,
So I don't know what was out there. And as far as the size,
it was about fifteen feet wide and about well, whatever was the pier.
When it turned into the pyramid shape, it kind of morphed in the
different shapes. But when it was the ball as as far as wide,
it looked like maybe fifteen to eighteen feet wide and fixed to seven feet tall.
I don't believe it could have been taller than that. Between the first
and the second object across the lake, do you think they were the same
object? You know? Actually I couldn't say, because I watched the first
one go into the sky, go up until it turned into like a spec
and I wondered whether other ones around could it have gone up and then came
back down somewhere else. Blue light of the one that came across the lake
was a deep blue color, and a matter of fact, as we were
walking behind it, because like I said, it was going so slow.
It was going so we were walking a slow pace. We weren't trying to
hurry to catch up or anything barely floating and it was tree level. And
now that one, though, actually was smaller, I would have I don't
believe it may have been the same because that seemed smaller, and I remember
thinking like maybe this was like some kind of probe or something that came out
of the other one, But I don't know that. I just know that
it was a deeper blue color, and it seemed to be smaller and was
like a size of like a large beach ball. And then with the light
coming off of it, the light looked almost tangible if you could see the
light coming off of it. I think it was the light that was coming
off of it made it look larger. Like I said, it was going
really slow. It's so dark out there. We were walking by the light,
the light that it was shining down in that path, because otherwise it
would have been pitch black. We couldn't have walked through there without that light.
We didn't grab a flashlight. We didn't think to grab one. We
were just so in awe of this light. And remember my friend putting his
shoes on, and but yeah, we just we walked behind it and we
walked in the light of it that it was casting there, because other like
I said, it would have been too dark. We couldn't have walked through
there without a flashlight. But it was lighting this place up. The other
one lit up that entire area underneath that canopy. It was like these rays
of light coming through it just lit that whole place up. The other one
was like a lighter, it was like a white blue, and that one
was a dark blue. So it was an illuminating all the surroundings, the
canopy of the trees, and it was produced enough light so you had enough
visual to follow absolutely. And then it went in the same direction as the
original object, to the same field. Right, Yes, it went to
the very same place. So, like I said, I was telling my
friend, telling him how everything happened. How you know, it came up
and it went here, and then it went back, and I went in
to the house, and you know, I was telling him the whole story.
And but yeah, it went back, I say, basically from where
I remember the other one being when it went up, that's where this one
went. It went there, and like I say, the light, the
light changed on it. And another thing that is always posited me. They
moved so fast, They were so fast, but it didn't make any kind
of beads. They were going. You would think there would be some sort
of sound, if not like a sonic boom, but you would think there
would be some sort of sound. Not the slightest whisper, nothing, no
hum, no nothing, no no sound at all. Even when it was
moving across the lake and end at the path, there was no zero sound,
complete silence. Right, And when did the dreams that seemed to have
been going a linear age path? When did you have your final one?
When did that cease the dreams? And I was in my twenties, I'd
have to say that I was probably about twenty five or twenty six, I
believe so, and was so odd. Actually talked to Art Bell and Bud
Hopkins one night, kind of I've wanted to call and talk every time I
thought, you know, heard Bud Hopkins was on, man, I was
on the line. I wanted to talk to Bud Hopkins. I wanted to
tell him my story. And I did talk to them. I was the
last caller that they ran out of time, and I was the guy that
was I was able to tell America good night. Ninety eight, ninety nine,
probably ninety eight. Yeah, I tried, man, I tried for
a long time, and I finally got in and it was I was able
to tell them a little bit. Think about it. I actually told him
about the metal thing in my finger nail, and I don't remember what Bud
Hopkins said, but that was pretty much that was like the end of the
show. So I did get to say that, and then it was okay.
It was like good night to America, right. You know. That's
another thing. I was saving those things under my nail. I was saving
those and I would put them in a like this pimento jar. They kept
coming back. I had actually come back so many times I had. I
found a way to get them out without you know, because I was like
cut like a line in my thumbnail with a needle, just going back and
forth until I could get to that. And I found a better way to
get to it, so I could just get it from the you know,
like the front point and pull it out. And I was saving those things,
and then one day they're just they were gone. I have no idea
what happened to them. They were just gone because I kept that. I
kept that jar in the same place. And then I was going to tell
someone about it. Because see that's the thing. Like my friend he was
he didn't like to talk about it, my brother, and you know,
he wasn't he wasn't thrilled to talk about it, but you know he would,
but he wouldn't bring it up. Me. On the other hand,
now I wanted to talk about it. I wanted to talk about it.
I wanted to know what it was. I wanted to know as many people
as I could who had experienced that. I wanted to talk about it.
I was very open about it. Your dream stopped about twenty five twenty six.
What about in the last twenty five years, has there been any incidents
which kind of stand out in any way? Well, I have seen things,
but I don't recall now if we're you know, just saying saying on
the topic of UFOs, that I have seen some UFOs, but nothing to
a degree that I saw at the time. When I was fifteen, I
actually tried to take pictures of something that I saw after it. This was
after Hurricane Katrina. See, I lived here. I looked around the like
I said, on the Gulf coast, and after Katrina, all the lights
were out, you know, so you could actually see the sky. And
so I saw, I'm just gonna go and look while it's so dark and
put it on a time or whatever to you know, take pictures at night.
And I was setting my camera up, just propping it up and taking
pictures over the water. It was so odd. I even called when I
did have the picture. I just I called it crazy, or that's what
I titled the picture, labeled it because there were three. But in one
of the pictures, I had no idea what it was, but there was
a green light in there and it had like a tracer behind it. But
of course, you know, it was on a slow shutter speed for being
you know, nighttime. And all I can say is, as far as
this goes like, you know, I didn't I didn't see a light in
the sky. I was standing there waiting for the you know, for the
camera to finished this long exposure picture. I never saw a light, but
there was like green light, but I never saw it with my own eyes.
And so you know, when it comes to things like that, I
tend to think like, okay, maybe it is a legitimate something, but
also it's a digital camera, and maybe it was something else. I don't
know, not as not, like I say, not not to the degree
that I saw no no dreams or any or anything like that. It's been
pretty quiet since the age of twenty five twenty six. But as far as
like dreams, I really think that for the most part, those dreams stopped
and it was odd. But when I was in my thirties, I started
to have that first dream that I had before when I was younger, of
those lights coming out of the lake. I saying, they're coming out of
the lake. I couldn't see the lake in the dream. I was standing
in that field beside the lake, and there was a tree line that went
around the lake at that portion of the lake, and the lights were coming
up from the other side of those trees. Because it has just been this
tree line and the lake on the other side. Now where they came from
exactly, I don't know. They could have just floated over there, the
same as the blue one floated that we followed on foot. But they were
coming up out of the from the other side and then back down into the
field, and they would bounce around, and the other ones looked like coins
wobbling, I guess to call it. I started to have that dream again
when I was in my thirties, but I don't know why. Now I
do want to say this. I know this is off topic from UFOs,
but there's something I don't know. If you've ever heard of the Saratoga lights,
I'm sure you've probably heard of, like the Martha lights. Sure,
yeah, Okay, well, there's also something called Saratoga Lightsness in Saratoga,
Texas. It's me and that same guy, my friend that was camping with
me. We had heard about this light and now at this point we were
I think about eighteen or nineteen, and we wanted to go see this for
ourselves. We wanted to go and check it out, and we brought our
girlfriends with us. They wanted to go, and we found out later that
was going to be a bad idea, but we went and we sat and
you're just on this dirt road and it's just pitch black, and sure enough,
there was a light that came out and it back and forth, and
it was so hard to tell it's, you know, to judge the distance
of it from you. And it started out at the distance and it was
the color of the light would change from like an orange to red color and
sometimes to like a yellow color, but always like a yellowish and orangish reddish
colors. And then it would just change in size. But it was going
back and forth across this road. Now, of course, the story is
like many of this dirt road. Now I believe this is true. Though
that dirt road is on top of an old railroad track. But the story
is, of course that it's some guy that worked on the railroads or something
and would walk with the lights to check the tracks. Then somehow fell on
the track or something, and of course the train come and he lost his
head and now he's looking for his head. That's a story. But I've
heard that same kind of story so many times. There were so many of
those types of things. I don't know what it is, but I will
say we did see that light and it was going back and forth across the
road. Now the girls with this, they started to like panic, But
me and my friend we're like, nah, we're waiting to see what this
this. We're gonna wait. That thing came back and forth, back and
forth, back and forth, and slowly toward it, slowly towards until it
actually got right there. We were in a truck. It was an old
B ten Chevy leave it at C one ten or C ten full size Chevy
truck, and that light came through the cab of that truck. And it
was so weird because it turned inside of that cab. It lit up inside
of there. And why I say it was bad for us to have brought
our girlfriends with us is. I didn't know it at the time, but
my girlfriend was so weird. They were screaming, but it couldn't hear them
as that light was coming through. But my girlfriend had latched onto my arm
and her fingernails were just embedded into my arm. But I didn't know it
until after that thing come through. And it was so odd. And I
have to say it now. My friend he said he experienced the same thing.
It was as this. It was as if things got slow or something,
because I could see both of those girls screaming and I couldn't hear them,
but it wasn't a normal screen. It almost looked like they were froze.
And as the light passed through, it was like someone turned the volume
up, you know, or the sound come back on, and they were
screaming so loud. And yeah, I had some her fingernails dug at me
and my friend I don't remember. I think he was I think she scratched
him too or something. I don't remember, but I know that my girlfriend
at the time, she was very unhappy with us. That was another thing
that me and him experienced together that you know, was really cool. But
again, it was so odd. Was that after we saw that. I
was very open about it, but he didn't like to talk about it much.
It's kind of odd how how different people respond. I think he didn't
believe it was even going to be there. I didn't know when he invited
me to go. I had never heard of that before, and so I
was kind of excited to go. And actually I had never heard the Marshal
lights. I didn't hear about the Marshal lights until I was, you know,
much older the lights of Saratoga. I'm pretty sure I've had a guest
on that as seen the same lights. But they're interesting and these lights awes
of lights. He have a lot of interest in Texas. Yeah, you
know, when I think about it, well, you have the Marvel lights,
you have the Saratoga lights, and I believe there are some other ones.
And the thing about it is that the Alabamaka Shada Native Americans that lived
there. A friend of mine, Wendel, he told me about those lights
and about where he lived on the Alabama Shada Reservation, that they saw them
there, and he was like really into, you know, his Native American
roots and things like that, and he would tell me about these lights that
they had on the reservation. But he would tell me these stories. And
the other thing is I wish I could remember the stories, but you have
these tales about them, and so whereas these I'm hearing the stories of you
know, it was the guy who lost his head working on the train track.
When then he's telling me like it was some sort of you know,
some kind of spirit saying or you know, or a spiritual thing with these
you know, with the Native American tribe that he was from, and I
guess it was probably the same with other tribes. I don't really know.
Yeah, all these stories from legend, they get passed down sometimes you know,
the details get changed and they you know, it becomes a little bit
more modernized. Good stuff, Michael. Interesting, as far as I have,
I think that's pretty much, Michael. I really appreciate you coming on
sharing that for our listeners. Oh, no problem, Deck, I appreciate
you having me. It's been great talking to you. All right, thank
you too. All right, buddy, all right, you take care yourself
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