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You'll be away five seventeen. Do
you want to report a UFO hanging in?

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We don't want to report every thirty
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a UFO over hey, we want
to one of those areas thirty one.

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Do you wish to find a report
of any kind of it? I wouldn't

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know what kind of reports clouds areas
thirty one me neither. There were seven

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one golf. If it was anybody
else above us to pass us, Like

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thirty seconds ago, we were sending
one top of golf negative, Okay,

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OFFI the UFO. Yeah, it's
murder ten nine o'clock. Yes, if

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you passed over I got I don't
know what it was, but it's from

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at least to three thousand feet above
us. See, I passed right over

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the top of us. Ninety one
one. You just called both to be

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be fours. They're after staying the
airplanes. He is to God on an

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unidentified object, every liberty or call
or calm on an unidentified flying object.

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Welcome to UFO Chronicles, a place
where people share their experiences of the strange

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and unexplained. If you've had an
encounter, I would like to be on

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the show. You can email me
at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com.

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Hello everyone, and welcome to the
show. I hope you're all having a

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good week and getting into the Christmas
spirit. I'm Nick Hunter and this is

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the UFO Chronicles podcast. Our guest
tonight is Mike, coming to us from

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the Mississippi Gulf Coast and back in
the fall of nineteen eighty eight, Michael

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was camping and fishing with his friend
and brother when he witnessed a UFO in

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a field. And when Michael got
back to camp and explained to them both

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for what he had just witnessed,
another UFO comes along hovering over the lake.

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Michael is up next, but first, if you enjoy the show and

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is very much appreciated. Now on with

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the show. Hello, Michael,
Welcome to the show. Hey, how

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are you doing there. I'm doing
pretty good. Great to have you with

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us today. And you're calling from
Mississippi right. Yeah. The Mississippi Gulf

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Coast, right down there in the
south, as far south as you can

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get unless you go to Florida.
Good stuff. Okay, Now, Michael,

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you have some experiences you're going to
be shared of us. Would you

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like to start at a beginning place, sir, Yeah, yeah, I'll

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do that. So growing up,
I was, I guess, probably attracted

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to a lot of the subjects that
would you be considered paranormal, But aliens

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in UFOs was actually not one of
those subjects. I don't know why.

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It's actually kind of cool when you
look into it, but yeah, that's

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not one of the things I was
ever interested in. But that changed when

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I was And actually I have to
say, this is November twenty second,

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This is I was fifteen years old. That was thirty five years ago.

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It happened actually nearly thirty five years
ago. My birthday is on the tenth

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of November, and the incident that
I'm talking about actually happened on the eleventh

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of November of nineteen eighty eight.
My friend and my brother, with my

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best friend and my brother, we
were going to go camping and go fishing,

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and we were going to go and
set up camp and have everything ready

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so that we could wake up early. And you know, we were camping

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next to a lake. Now the
place that I lived, now, this

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happened in Sheppard, Texas, and
the place that I lived it was called

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Lake Choctaw, and Lake Chalktaw has
a history of its almost akin to I

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would almost say Skinwalker Ranch in a
sense, but not exactly. We weren't

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experiencing like you know, like the
giant wolves and things like that. No,

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but there were a lot of things
that did happen out there that were

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odd. For example, one thing, there was an old man who did

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have a cabin next to that lake, and when I talked to him,

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he used to tell me. I
asked him like, what would he do

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there? Because I just thought at
the time, you know, I'm just

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a kid, and I'm thinking,
why are you just sitting out here drinking

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beer staring at the lake. And
That's actually what I asked him. And

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he told me, I like watching
the ball lightning, and he told me

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about the different colored ball lightning.
And I thought the man was crazy.

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Well, again, we were going
to go camping and we get everything there

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and I realized that the clock that
we brought it didn't have the battery had

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fallen out of it, and so
we didn't have a We weren't able to

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actually along. We didn't know what
time it was. So I decided that

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I'm going to go back home,
and it's almost getting dark, and so

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they were going to stay there,
my brother and my best friend, they

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were going to stay there where we
were going to camp while I went back

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home, and I was just going
to kind of jog because you know,

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I'm by myself. I didn't really
want to be out there in the dark

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either, and it was dark now. The road that that we would go

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down, it's like a it's like
a circular road that would go around the

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entire place. We just called it
the lease. It was a lease,

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and there was a circle that went
all the way around, and then there

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was another one that would go right
through the middle of it that kind of

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cut that circle in half. I'm
following the circle back around. And where

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I lived was if you came in
as you're coming in off the main like

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you're coming in off the main road, you're coming into the lease, there

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was a gate and then once you
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you would just go down a little
waves and on the left we lived

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there, and it was where it
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trees, because it was it was
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on both sides of the street now, but before you got there, on

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the right hand side, there was
a field and the field was worked by

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a man named Schrader, mister Strader, and we knew him as kids.

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He would always tell us, you
know, take you know, keep an

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eye on the field for me.
And so we would see him when he

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would be out there, and there
were a few times that he was out

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there late. And when he was
out there late, you would see his

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tractor and that big tractor would have
these lights on it. But whenever I

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came down the road, is I'm
coming back to go home to you know,

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get the batteries and you know,
work through the clock. As of

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coming back on the right hand side, almost the very back of the field,

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there's a light there. I thought
it was, you know, the

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light of the tractor, but then
I thought, well, there's just one

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light and his tractor had two lights
on the top. And so as I'm

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seeing this light, I start to
walk slow, and I'd say I was

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running. I was kind of jogging
trying to get home quickly. But when

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I saw that light, I stopped
and I'm just walking real slowly watching this

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light. And as I get up
to the fence of that field, I

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look to the right to see was
mister Strader's truck there or you know,

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did I see anything with a gate
open for that field whether it wasn't.

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And as I'm looking and I noticed, like I said, that he's not

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there, and I'm trying to understand
what is this light? And as the

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light just just starts to lift up
and it gives him about tree level and

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it just starts coming toward toward me. But as I said, it was

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on the back right hand side of
the field, and it starts coming toward

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the middle of the field and forward
and to the center of the field,

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and I don't know what to think. I was kind of froze at first.

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I thought, what is this helicopter
doing out here? And it wasn't

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until it got, you know,
nearly to the center of the field that

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I realized that it's not making any
sound, and I was kind of I'd

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have to say, I was a
bit froze for a moment. I just

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didn't know what to think because I've
just watched this, you know, this

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light lift up. I mean,
it's just wild. It's you know,

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it's crazy to see. But then
I don't know how to explain it.

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But I felt really excited. And
our home, like I said, was

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just a little further down this dirt
road to the left, and I wanted

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to see this thing better. And
I ran and that thing was my father

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had just bought binoculars like that week, and I knew where it's like,

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I knew where they were. And
that was the first thing that came to

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my mind, was if I when
I wanted to see this better, I

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thought, I can, you know, I just run home, get in

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the house really fast, and get
those binoculars and come back. And so

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I took off. I wanted to
see this thing closer. I took off,

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and I got once I went into
the canopy, like I said,

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it was already dark. But once
I went into that canopy, it's just

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it's so hard to see. There
were no lights on to Truthfully, we

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were very poor and we had no
electricity at the time, and this light

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it followed me as I went to
as I went home, it came.

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It kind of followed behind me,
and it stopped at the front left corner

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of the field, behind the trees, and through the trees you could see

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like the rays of light come through
this extremely bright blue white light, and

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it lit up that entire place,
almost like daytime, but it was just

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a different color. It was just
a like I say, a blue white

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color. And I was shaking trying
to get the key in the lock and

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get it open, and I finally
I got it open and I ran in

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and the binoculars were right there.
I grabbed them and I come running out,

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and as I ran out, that
light drifted away. And I have

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to say, now, this is
one thing I I didn't mention. It

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looked like a single light when it
was on the ground, and when it

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lifted up. I don't know at
what point that it changed, but it's

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almost as if I realized that it
wasn't just a ball of light, but

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it was whenever I first saw it, that is what it was. It

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was just a ball of light there. But as it came forward at some

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point, I know, I don't
know when, but it turned into a

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triangle. And I mean, like
like as if you're looking at a pyramid,

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not triangular like I see a lot
of the UFO pictures, where like

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a flat triangle. I mean it
was like a pyramid standing up. It

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had these and the lights looked like
as if they were a light on each

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corner. And so it at some
point, like I say, changed from

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being a ball to this pyramid which
looked like three lights. And when I

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come running back out, it drifted
away from me, back towards the center

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of the field, but it didn't
quite go back as far as it did

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before, so it was it was
closer. And I'm trying to get the

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binoculars out, and I'm just staring
at this thing the whole time, and

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I'm trying to lift it up,
and my hands were strare. I didn't

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realize how much I was shaking until
I tried to lift the binoculars up and

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something actually I kind of I say, I would say odd, because as

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I lifted the binoculars to my eye, and I didn't think about this till

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later, but I still whatever that
was, I feel like it knew I

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was about to burn my own eyes
solt with these binoculars looking at this light

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because it was so bright, and
as I was getting trying to hold the

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binoculars up, like I said,
shape, I was shaking too much really

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to hold them. But as I'm
trying to pull them up, those lights

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turned off. But they went off
like stadium lights, you know, slowly.

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They didn't just turn off, They
just dimmed down until they were off.

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And then once I, like I
said, I couldn't hold the binoculars

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steady and I had to put it
on the fence. I propped the binoculars

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on the fence and was trying to
look through there, and I realized that

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it was just like a disc shape. I don't know how it was ever,

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you know, the ball shape or
the pyramid shape, because it had

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the light on the top. Like
I said, it was looked like lights

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on three corners, but there were
no corners and there was no point at

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the top for there to be a
light there. I don't know how that

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worked. I just know that there
were three lights they turned off. There

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was nothing there. It wasn't that
far, that's the thing. It was

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not that far from me. This
thing was probably i'd say fifty to sixty

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yards away. It wasn't that far. And when I tried to look through

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it with the binoculars. I realized
that there was there was nothing there other

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than just this disc. I was
trying to see, if you know,

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I don't know, for some reason
in my mind, I was looking for

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windows. I don't know why I
thought that, but I you know,

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I never saw a UFO before,
and so I'm looking to try to see

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if I can see through a window. But all I could see was these

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small lights at the towards the bottom, and they were just flashing like different

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colors. They were really small lights. And I can't say really how long

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this lasted. I was just froze
staring at it. Eventually I stopped looking

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trying to look through the binoculars because
it was too difficult, and I'm just

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staring at it. And as I
stopped looking, you know, through the

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binoculars, those lights seemed to get
a little brighter. And after actually what

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seemed to be an eternity, it
really felt like a long time that I

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was there, that disc started to
drift backward to about the same position it

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was in when it very first came
forward, and it it rested therefore,

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I think, I said, I
don't know how long but several minutes,

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and then all of a sudden,
as if it was attached to a rubber

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band that was stretched out and just
let go, and it just shot up.

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And when it shot up, whatever
speed it was going, it was

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almost as if it started off at
top speed. It just that's the only

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thing I can come up with to
compare it to with us, as if

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it was attached to the bottom of
a rubber band, you know, allowed

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to go. And I stared it
just went so high to it just turned

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to like a dot, like a
you know, I watched it turn into

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like a dot, and I just
couldn't stop staring at it until it,

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you know, went away, and
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I ran. I ran to go
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And when I got there. Now
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a long time. But I mean
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imagine standing there looking at a UFO
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leaving. But anyways, it just
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minutes. But I've ran went back
a friend and brother and I'm trying to

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tell them and they're they're already asleep. They're in the inside of the tent

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sleeping and I start, you know, check out, grabbed my friend by

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the leg and I'm trying to tell
him, you know, hey, man,

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I saw a UFO. I saw
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I kept saying that, and it
woke h up. They were like dead

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asleep and he's looking at me like
wiping his eyes, and he's like,

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where have you been? And I
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man, what are you drinking?
I said, dude, I saw a

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Ufo. And my brother had woken
up and he's staring at me and he

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said the same thing. Where have
you been? I said, I saw

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a Ufo. I kept repeating I
saw a Ufo. Well actually they were

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like whatever, you know, and
started to lay back down. And actually,

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to be honest with you, it
made me mad because to me,

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I just saw the most insane thing
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I'm trying to tell him and I'm
immediately not being believed, and I yeah,

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just mad. And so as I
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as I I turned, because like
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turned and over the lake there was
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And I had explained it. It
was like a blue soft light,

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and it looked I'd have to say, it looked like about the size of

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a large beach ball. At least
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the you know, at the time. Well, when I saw that,

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I just, you know, I
yelled, there's another one. There's another

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one. There's another one. And
he looked, you know, kind of

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looked at me. I leaned and
I reached I grabbed him by his leg

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and I started pulling him out,
and he set up. I grabbed him

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by his hair and pulled him out
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I said, there, and then
he stood up, and then my

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brother came out. And this light
was moving so slow they were able to

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put their shoes on, and I
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I don't remember now, but I
know that we were walking following the thing,

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and it was coming over the lake. Well when we came back to

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you know, we're going to follow
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before, this lease it had a
road that went all the way around it,

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and then it had the one that
cut through the middle, which it

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wasn't much of a road, it
was almost more of a pathway. We

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walked over there, and we waited
for it to come toward us, and

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we walked behind it, and we
followed that thing. We walked all the

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way back to where I told them
I saw the first one. It went

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right to that same place, and
it did the same thing when it when

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it got to that part where the
other one had shot into the sky,

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this blue this blue globe, it's
like it turned off and then these little

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lights underneath of it turned on and
the same thing, like I said,

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as if it was attached to a
rubber band and just, you know,

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let go. And it was in
this guy. It was like in space

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almost instantly. And I was like, you know, I couldn't believe it.

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I was, And so of course
me, I'm saying, like I

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told you, I told you,
I told you. You know, it

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went back to the same place.
This is where I told you it went.

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And like I said, I had
left the binoculars there, and I

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realized then that the binoculars are still
on the fence post. I grabbed the

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binoculars. Okay, now here's another
thing. My parents were out of town.

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We were there alone. My parents
were out of town, and they

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were coming in in the morning and
I grabbed the binoculars in the box that

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they were in, and we went
back home, and I couldn't help,

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but that's all we were talking about. And I immediately grabbed a sketch book

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and was just trying to sketch all
the different ways that I saw as it

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was, you know, again,
that's when I really started to realize,

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Hey, wait a minute, that
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You know, that's really when I
really that kind of sunk in.

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But I could still never tell,
you, like, when that happened.

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So I immediately just start drawing sketches
of this, you know, trying to

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from when I very first saw it
and what you know, when it followed

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me and I'm kept, you know, and of course I just kept retelling

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the story to them, and and
it didn't seem like long. It started

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to get light, and my parents
were coming home at that time. They

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were they were coming home, like
I don't know exactly what time it was,

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but it wasn't far after daybreak,
long after daybreak, and I'm telling

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it. I'm excited telling them about
it, and I'm telling my dad.

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Now, my dad, he was
actually I guess in the UFOs I didn't.

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I didn't know that he was much
in the UFOs and I knew that,

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you know, we would talk about
ghosts and you know, paranormal stuff.

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And I don't really even recall talking
to him about UFOs much at i'll,

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you know, But anyways, after
I told him, I'm showing him

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these drawings, and he's like,
where was it? You know, told

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me we go out there. And
when we got out there and this this

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is like as the sun's coming up
over the tree line of what would have

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been the side of the tree line
on the side of the field closer to

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our home, and we were looking
at this. We're going to go try

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to see if left any you know, there any like impressions in the ground.

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And I didn't. We didn't see
impressions in the ground. But what

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we saw was something that looked like
cotton candy and a circle. It was

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a like a white cotton candy.
And whenever I, you know, whenever

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we saw that, my dad told
me it's called angel hair. I'd never

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heard of that before. He said
it was called angel hair. And I

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ran home and got a mayonnaise jar, an old you know, cleaned out

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Manna's jar, and took a stick
and just started scraping that stuff in there

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into this mana'se jar because I wanted
to save it, because to me,

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on like, we have to turn
this in, we have to look,

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we have to get this analyzed.
I mean, I was all about,

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we have to report this, we
have to do this, we have to

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do that. While we were standing
out there, as the sun completely came

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up, and as the usually fake
there's dew on the grass, and the

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sun comes up and the sun starts
to dry the dew off the grass,

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and we're still We're still out there
talking. You know. Now, I

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think my mother came out there,
and I believe someone else may have come

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out there. But as the sun
come up, we realized that all of

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that stuff it just evaporated or something. That angel hair stuff, it evaporated.

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And whenever I went and I got
to picked up the jar, but

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it looked like there was nothing in
there. I don't know what happened to

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it. It just looked like it
evaporated. But I brought it home.

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I kept that for a while.
Then odd things started happening. Well,

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first off, I saw a line
inside of my thumbnail under my thumbnail,

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under my left thumbnail. I saw
this a line that was about, I

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don't know, I guess about a
quarter inch long. And this was some

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days after actually, and I took
a needle and just start scraping and scraping

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and scraping and scraping until I got
down to that thing. I don't know

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why, but I had this feeling
like, you know, there's something there.

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I don't know why, but I
just had a feeling there's something there.

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I picked it out and it was
like metal, you know. It

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made me think of like a metal
bristle off of a you know, a

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wire brush. But I think there's
no way that that could have gotten under

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there. After I took that out, I put it in a little jar,

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a little pimento jar. I wanted
to save it because I felt for

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some reason, I don't know why, but I didn't think of anything about

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being abducted. I didn't actually,
honestly that time, I didn't know anything

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about abduction, so it never crossed
my mind. But for some reason I

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did think that somehow that was connected. And I don't even know why I

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connected it to that, because,
like I said, I didn't know anything

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about abductions at the time. That
most that I knew of was about the

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cows. In my mind, I
just remember them being like dropped out of

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UFOs and you know, had their
lips cut off and tongues and you know,

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the cattle mutilation stuff. That was
as far as I knew anything about

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abductions. So again, I don't
know why I connected that, but I

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did. And so, like I
said, it was, I pulled that

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out. I saved it in the
Pamento jar and I would check my I

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would check my fingernails every day.
After that, I would just keep checking

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my fingernails, keep checking my and
periodically another one would just appear and I

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would dig it out and get it
out. And it was the same thing.

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And I was adding these little wire
bristles to, you know, into

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this pammo jar. Now, after
that, that whole thing happened. I

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didn't know why, but I started
developing anxiety. And I didn't even even

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I didn't know what anxiety was.
But I started having anxiety attacks, and

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I started having weird dreams. And
one of the dreams that I was having

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was that I was a child,
about five years old, and I remembered

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it was like in the dream,
I remembered I was dreaming of something.

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That's what it seemed like. I'm
dreaming of something that happened. And near

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that lake, my grandmother had a
cabin there, and in front of that

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cabin was a small field. It
was kind of like a yard for her

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cabin. And in the dream,
I was standing in that field at night

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time and these lights were coming over
the tree line from where the lake was

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at it these different colored lights coming
out, and there was these there was

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discs that would come out, Hey, as if you drop a quarter on

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a table and it just makes that
you know, goes around and around,

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not on the top edge end,
but when it's like almost about to stop

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spinning and it's going to go flat. It was like these lights that were

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discs were coming out. They were
going around me like that, almost as

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if it was a game. I
remember laughing and watching these lights. But

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I'd never dreamed that before. Why
it stood out so much when you have

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a dream that seems so real.
But this didn't just seem like a dream

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that was real it now it was
a memory. And then these other little

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memories just kept opening up. It
was these little memories were just starting to

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I don't know how to explain it
but be released or something. But I

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would dream them. I would remember
this as if it happened. And I

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know it sounds crazy. I fear
that I'm saying it, but I mean

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that's just so the way it was. But then my anxiety kept getting worse

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and worse and worse, and I
just couldn't get this out of my mind,

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the whole incident of you know,
the seeing this UFO. I couldn't.

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That's where I was introduced to Whitley
Strieber. Actually, because I got

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the book Communion. I wanted to
because I've wanted to learn anything. I

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became obsessed, I feel like about
wanting to find out what that was.

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And in this cabin that we lived
in, like I said, we had

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no electricity and it would be so
dark in there and I would be afraid

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to wake up and not be able
to see where I was, and so

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I would try to find little lights
or keep a flashlight with me because I

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became afraid. And actually I'd have
to say that fear has followed me till

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today. Of going to sleep,
I can't go to sleep without having a

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light on somewhere. I still have
a light on till now, grown man

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fifty years old. I still keep
a light on. I just I don't

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know it affected me that much even
until now. But like I said,

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these dreams were I'm having these dreams
and as if I'm recalling memories. And

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then I had a dream that I
was older, because as I'm dreaming these

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things, but as I'm dreaming them, it's like going in a chronological order

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forward in age and have It's like
I'm dreaming about different incidents where I've actually

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already seen it. When I thought
that was the first time I ever seen,

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you know, a UFO or something
like that. I started to have

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these recollections and a chronological order through
these dreams. Then it would be gaps

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and then I would be a little
older, and then another gap that I'd

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be a little older as if I
was you know, if I were to

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look back at it now, it
would be as if I'd have to say

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it was if I was being visited
like at different times in my life,

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and like maybe you know, every
couple of years or something. But at

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that age you grow so fast.
I could tell the difference in myself in

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these dreams, and then those dreams
caught up with my current age. At

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the time, and I dreamed that
I was in a room and it was

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just a metal room and it was
cold. I was I don't know what

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I was sitting on, but I
know that I couldn't move. But I

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was sitting, but sitting, uh, not sitting down. I was kind

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of being held up. I was
having that anxiety. I started having that

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anxiety in that dream. I realized
I'm nude. I don't have any clothes

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on, and that was why I
was so cold. I guess it's the

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you know, when you recall the
grave. There were three of them in

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there. As I'm having this anxiety
attack, I start to feel emotional thinking

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about this, but this one started
to speak to me as to calm me

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down, but it felt like as
if it was a female. I realized

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they had placed something on me and
it actually hurt, and they just walked

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out. And then I don't remember
anything after that because I don't remember if

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I woke up or what. But
that's where that memory stops that kept following

411
00:31:12.920 --> 00:31:18.519
me. We moved away from there
and we moved to another place in Livingston,

412
00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:22.240
Texas. The place that we lived
in there were offices at the bottom

413
00:31:22.279 --> 00:31:26.359
and apartments at the top, and
we had an apartment with and an office,

414
00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:29.160
you know, one above the We
have the apartment above the office.

415
00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:33.319
And I remember thinking when I in
my bedroom there. I don't know why,

416
00:31:33.400 --> 00:31:37.000
but I was thinking, well,
at least we're up here. They

417
00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:40.680
can't get to me. And it
was so weird. I'd have thoughts like

418
00:31:40.720 --> 00:31:42.200
that, but I wouldn't think about
it any other time, but it would

419
00:31:42.200 --> 00:31:47.119
just be certain moments that it would
strike me like that. I went in

420
00:31:47.160 --> 00:31:49.240
the room, I saw the window, and I went to the window and

421
00:31:49.279 --> 00:31:52.799
I looked down and I said,
well, at least they can't get to

422
00:31:52.839 --> 00:31:56.359
me here, they can get to
you there. And they did. And

423
00:31:56.400 --> 00:32:01.000
it continued on through the time that
I was there through high school, and

424
00:32:01.119 --> 00:32:07.279
my anxiety just kept getting worse and
worse and worse, and it was getting

425
00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:10.559
to where I would I would hide
because I'd start to hyperventilate from why I

426
00:32:10.680 --> 00:32:15.200
tell this this is crazier. I
feel like I sound. I remember seeing

427
00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:19.160
a doctor they wanted to put me
on Riddlin. When they gave me this

428
00:32:19.240 --> 00:32:23.319
medication. All I know is it
made me like a zombie. And when

429
00:32:23.359 --> 00:32:30.640
I was on that medication, thing
stopped for a little while then I guess,

430
00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:31.480
I say, for a little while, I think it was like in

431
00:32:31.519 --> 00:32:37.640
the very beginning, thing stopped.
But then I started to wake up with

432
00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:43.160
them in there with me in this
bedroom that I felt was safe, thinking

433
00:32:43.240 --> 00:32:46.240
for some reason that on the second
floor was safe, and I'd wake up

434
00:32:46.279 --> 00:32:50.319
with them there and I couldn't move, and that, can you know,

435
00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:52.480
continued on through the time that we
were there, and we moved again,

436
00:32:53.119 --> 00:32:57.759
and they continued as we moved from
place to place to place that we moved

437
00:32:57.799 --> 00:33:04.599
to, and eventually it tapers are
and where at least either it wasn't happening

438
00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:08.000
or I couldn't recall it, as
you know, as far as those incidents

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survival and emergency preparedness needs. But
I would have to say there was another

453
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incident that happened. It was near
Cleveland, Texas. We went to visit

454
00:34:37.159 --> 00:34:38.840
someone's home, stayed at their home
for a couple of nights while they were

455
00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:44.239
out of town. My father and
myself, my brother were and we were

456
00:34:44.239 --> 00:34:47.199
staying there because my mom went home
to visit her family, and so we

457
00:34:47.679 --> 00:34:52.079
stayed there to watch these people's home
for them for I think it was like

458
00:34:52.119 --> 00:34:55.239
a weekend or something, and it
was pretty much in the woods. It

459
00:34:55.280 --> 00:35:00.280
was dark. We were watching TV
and we has heard this, I guess,

460
00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:02.639
like an explosion. We couldn't tell. It's not like something hit the

461
00:35:02.679 --> 00:35:07.559
ground. You could feel the you
could feel the ground shape. We all

462
00:35:07.639 --> 00:35:10.320
jumped up and we ran outside to
look to see, you know, with

463
00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:14.960
what was that, and couldn't see
anything really, of course, it was

464
00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:17.440
so dark. And my dad he
was like, get in a car,

465
00:35:17.519 --> 00:35:22.280
we're gonna go find it. We
get in the car and we're driving down

466
00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:25.960
this dirt road and he was driving
those dirt road with his lights off to

467
00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:29.880
try to see if he saw anything, you know, in those places.

468
00:35:29.960 --> 00:35:31.679
You know, now I'm used to
being, you know, on the Gulf

469
00:35:31.719 --> 00:35:37.719
coast you just can't see the can't
see the sky proper here, but there,

470
00:35:37.000 --> 00:35:39.039
you know, you can see the
Milky Way, and you know,

471
00:35:39.079 --> 00:35:43.360
you see all these stars in the
sky. It was it was beautiful.

472
00:35:43.599 --> 00:35:45.679
And as we're going down watching,
you know, trying to look in the

473
00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:50.079
sky and see what, you know, is there anything there, any moving

474
00:35:50.159 --> 00:35:53.320
things? Whatever? There was I
don't know how many helicopters. The people

475
00:35:53.360 --> 00:36:00.280
talk about the flat triangular shape craft
and it was going so slow, I

476
00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:05.000
don't know how the heck it was
staying in the air because it was going

477
00:36:05.119 --> 00:36:10.079
so incredibly slow, and these helicopters
were all around it, and it was

478
00:36:10.119 --> 00:36:15.800
as if they were escorting this thing. And where we were Cleveland, Texas,

479
00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:21.360
and the direction they were going was
toward Houston, and in that direction.

480
00:36:22.039 --> 00:36:27.920
Now this place isn't There's actually a
famous case. I don't remember if

481
00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:32.320
it's in New Caney or Splendora,
and I don't remember their names, but

482
00:36:32.400 --> 00:36:37.199
it was the two women and the
child where the this was back in the

483
00:36:37.239 --> 00:36:42.599
seventies, I believe, seventies or
early eighties that time period, I believe.

484
00:36:42.679 --> 00:36:45.639
But anyways, these are the ones
where the I recall that the woman,

485
00:36:46.880 --> 00:36:53.360
I believe they had like radiation effects
on them, and one of them

486
00:36:53.440 --> 00:36:57.760
like burning their hand on the car, and I think it really affected the

487
00:36:58.000 --> 00:37:01.199
child mentally. You know. When
I to look back and try to learn

488
00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:06.679
more about, you know, other
places that they were sidings, I realized

489
00:37:06.719 --> 00:37:13.920
that there were sightings happened pretty often
in that area. On Highway fifty nine,

490
00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:19.079
as you're leaving Shepherd, it comes
to a point with like the old

491
00:37:19.159 --> 00:37:22.159
highway coming out of Shepherd and then
the newer highway fifty nine coming out of

492
00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:27.440
Shepherd, and right in that point
there was a shell gas station and my

493
00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:30.679
mother worked there, and this was
here. This would have been actually,

494
00:37:30.679 --> 00:37:36.880
this would have been before I saw
the UFO that I saw in the field.

495
00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:40.840
She saw a triangular craft. But
I didn't know about this until later.

496
00:37:42.360 --> 00:37:45.920
Until later, after I told her
what I saw that they that's when

497
00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:50.119
she told me, oh, yeah, I saw you know this. She

498
00:37:50.199 --> 00:37:52.480
told me that she called my dad, and my dad went outside and was

499
00:37:52.519 --> 00:37:57.719
trying to watch for it because really, as the crow would fly where we

500
00:37:57.719 --> 00:38:00.880
were, it was kind of a
straight direct where she said it was going,

501
00:38:01.559 --> 00:38:06.199
it would have come, you know, over where we lived. But

502
00:38:06.320 --> 00:38:10.199
I don't believe my father actually saw
it. But another story she told me

503
00:38:12.079 --> 00:38:15.400
later on in life, which is
so wild. This makes me think something

504
00:38:15.880 --> 00:38:21.800
like something's not right about this.
But she told me that whenever I was

505
00:38:21.840 --> 00:38:25.599
a kid and I was in school. Now, remember I said, whenever

506
00:38:25.639 --> 00:38:30.159
I was coming back during the time
I saw that UFO in the field,

507
00:38:31.159 --> 00:38:35.760
when I came to the field and
then turned left with that corner there,

508
00:38:35.840 --> 00:38:38.440
that corner property. We had to
live there when I was younger, and

509
00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:44.400
then we later moved to the other
cabin that was in that canopy of trees.

510
00:38:44.840 --> 00:38:47.079
So at this time though, it
was when we lived on this corner

511
00:38:47.159 --> 00:38:51.519
property, and that was directly in
front of that field, and my mother

512
00:38:51.599 --> 00:38:53.199
told me that when no one was
there, we were at school and my

513
00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:58.920
dad was at work, she said
a helicopter came. She said she was

514
00:38:58.960 --> 00:39:07.239
outside watering a and she remembered a
helicopter go and land in that field and

515
00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:10.719
then come up and come toward her
while she was standing there in the yard,

516
00:39:12.079 --> 00:39:15.119
and it land in the yard,
and that there was a man staring

517
00:39:15.159 --> 00:39:20.159
at her. And then after a
while, because she said, she started

518
00:39:20.199 --> 00:39:24.159
walking backward because she was scared,
and then it helicopter lifted up and left.

519
00:39:24.440 --> 00:39:29.119
And then the craziest thing, she
said, I didn't know there were

520
00:39:29.159 --> 00:39:34.679
helicopters that didn't make sound. So
to her, this helicopter, and I'm

521
00:39:34.719 --> 00:39:38.880
doing air quotes here, this helicopter
she saw wasn't making any sound. So

522
00:39:39.159 --> 00:39:44.559
I don't know what kind of experience
that was with her. Is somehow something

523
00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:49.280
happened and it was imprinted on her. She remembers it differently. I had

524
00:39:49.360 --> 00:39:52.480
no idea, but you know that
also was strange. I would have to

525
00:39:52.519 --> 00:39:58.519
say, for the most part my
experience. One of the things that did

526
00:39:59.360 --> 00:40:02.280
was because I'm I was fifteen.
I would have to say I was a

527
00:40:02.280 --> 00:40:09.920
pretty open minded guy anyway. But
it made me realize to keep an open

528
00:40:09.960 --> 00:40:15.559
mind because I knew at that time
I'm not going to be able to tell

529
00:40:15.559 --> 00:40:21.960
the story to just anybody and them
either just believe me or not tell me

530
00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:27.079
I'm crazy or tell me I'm full
of crap. It was, you know,

531
00:40:27.119 --> 00:40:30.519
there were those options were more likely
to happen than someone saying, really

532
00:40:30.719 --> 00:40:34.119
tell me about that, you know
what I mean, this is just going

533
00:40:34.199 --> 00:40:37.599
to be not happening in that type
of way. And my best friend,

534
00:40:38.199 --> 00:40:43.119
he did not like to talk about
it. He didn't want to talk about

535
00:40:43.119 --> 00:40:45.559
it. And one of the reasons
he didn't want to talk about it is

536
00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:50.159
because it bothered him more. Because
he would bring it up to me.

537
00:40:50.679 --> 00:40:52.480
He would say, man, something
happened to you. Something happened to you,

538
00:40:52.880 --> 00:40:55.000
And like, why do you say
that? He said, there's no

539
00:40:55.119 --> 00:41:04.159
way you ran home and ran back, but it was morning right after and

540
00:41:04.199 --> 00:41:07.239
that they had gone to sleep.
He's like, dude, something happened to

541
00:41:07.239 --> 00:41:09.480
you. Man, I just didn't
remember anything happening I just remembered what I

542
00:41:09.519 --> 00:41:13.400
saw, and so to me,
I just saw like what I told you

543
00:41:13.599 --> 00:41:16.119
this, you know, saw the
UFO that whole experience went back told them,

544
00:41:16.159 --> 00:41:19.079
and you know, that was what
I saw. I didn't see anything

545
00:41:19.079 --> 00:41:23.440
else until later on. I started, you know, having these you know,

546
00:41:23.599 --> 00:41:27.320
dreams, and I wouldn't say reoccurring
dreams, but it would just be,

547
00:41:28.159 --> 00:41:31.639
like I said, following this line, and then I would have to

548
00:41:31.639 --> 00:41:37.400
say, like the last dream that
I did have about having a dream from

549
00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:40.639
something that may have happened, I
actually dreamed after the dream that I had

550
00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:46.199
where I was in that room with
those three I guess grays whatever they are.

551
00:41:46.480 --> 00:41:52.239
There was a dream that I had
where I was at that field watching

552
00:41:52.280 --> 00:41:57.480
that In the dream, I had
fallen down or on my back, as

553
00:41:57.480 --> 00:42:01.599
if I had fallen down. Bothered
me so much because I knew that I

554
00:42:01.679 --> 00:42:07.199
had never actually fallen down. I
never fell down, but I dreamed when

555
00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:10.639
I would dream about that for some
reason, and that was a dream that

556
00:42:10.760 --> 00:42:16.599
would be recurring that I would dream
and I almost feel like it was recurring

557
00:42:16.599 --> 00:42:21.320
because I wouldn't accept it for some
reason, because I felt like no I

558
00:42:21.400 --> 00:42:24.599
lived that I was actually there and
that did not happen. The other things,

559
00:42:24.679 --> 00:42:30.639
as I said, they weren't recurring
dreams. Those dreams started from whatever

560
00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:35.199
age of like five, I believe, up until the age of fifteen to

561
00:42:35.320 --> 00:42:38.239
that actual incident. But it was
that incident, the dream about that incident.

562
00:42:38.679 --> 00:42:43.400
It was. Things were right up
until like this whole I'm on my

563
00:42:43.719 --> 00:42:46.719
you know, fallen down thing.
And I mean, so I guess maybe

564
00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:50.360
that may have been. If I'm
going to just go along with it and

565
00:42:50.400 --> 00:42:52.079
say, okay, yeah I was
abducted. Man, if I'm going to

566
00:42:52.159 --> 00:42:55.440
go along with that, I guess
I would say that maybe that incident that

567
00:42:55.599 --> 00:43:00.880
happened that was at that time.
Otherwise I don't know, but yeah,

568
00:43:01.039 --> 00:43:05.239
that was a recurrent dream. And
then, like I said, I guess

569
00:43:05.280 --> 00:43:08.199
I just couldn't accept it or wouldn't
accept it, and eventually I just thought,

570
00:43:08.239 --> 00:43:12.119
Okay, I guess it's a possibility, and then I stopped having the

571
00:43:12.199 --> 00:43:15.960
dreams. But I mean, really
that pretty much sums up my you know,

572
00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:20.119
as far as like the UFO stuff
goes. But you know, that's

573
00:43:20.159 --> 00:43:23.239
that pretty much sums it up.
Made me have an open mind for things

574
00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:28.960
that I may not believe. You
know, I may hear someone saying because

575
00:43:29.000 --> 00:43:31.760
as I'm saying to you that,
I know I sound crazy when I'm saying

576
00:43:31.840 --> 00:43:36.400
this. I know that if I
was listening to this, I would probably

577
00:43:36.440 --> 00:43:40.320
be like mm hm. So I
knew that then that if I tell anyone,

578
00:43:40.639 --> 00:43:45.559
that's how it would be received.
But obviously I actually saw it.

579
00:43:45.639 --> 00:43:49.480
So yeah, it it helped me
to have an open mind to things,

580
00:43:49.840 --> 00:43:52.639
and I'm I'm actually grateful for that. If it's nothing else, I'm grateful

581
00:43:52.679 --> 00:43:58.800
for it helping me to keep an
open mind because I think that's important.

582
00:43:59.119 --> 00:44:04.559
When you hear someone who is telling
you about something that they're giving you a

583
00:44:04.599 --> 00:44:09.159
sincere story that may sound just crazy, but you know, for that person

584
00:44:09.519 --> 00:44:13.599
that's there, that was their life, they lived it. But yeah,

585
00:44:13.639 --> 00:44:17.119
that's pretty much it for that interesting
stuff. Michael. Yeah, it's it's

586
00:44:17.159 --> 00:44:22.239
definitely interesting in a way still till
now. To me, it's just on

587
00:44:22.239 --> 00:44:27.199
one hand of yeah, these things
happened, Well I know the thing what

588
00:44:27.280 --> 00:44:30.400
I saw, I know that happened. It was there's nothing that can't change

589
00:44:30.440 --> 00:44:32.320
that. Yeah, no, I
that's I know that. And then like

590
00:44:32.360 --> 00:44:37.039
I say, there was I say
physical evidence. I had never heard of

591
00:44:37.079 --> 00:44:40.119
angel hair before my father said that. But then again, like I said,

592
00:44:40.199 --> 00:44:45.760
I'd never heard of or known about
abductions other than like the cow of

593
00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:50.039
you know, cow mutilations, cattle
mutilations. But it was after that,

594
00:44:50.239 --> 00:44:54.039
later on I did see an episode
and this flight flew me away. I

595
00:44:54.079 --> 00:44:59.559
don't remember what show it was,
but it was they were talking about like

596
00:44:59.639 --> 00:45:02.960
some you UFO that came down to
a college, and I guess this was

597
00:45:04.039 --> 00:45:08.320
back in the forties or fifties or
something like that, and this UFO had

598
00:45:08.360 --> 00:45:14.880
come and down on this campus.
It had that same kind of stuff falling

599
00:45:14.920 --> 00:45:19.800
out of it, some sort of
white cotton candy looking stuff, and they

600
00:45:20.000 --> 00:45:22.719
I heard them call it an angel
hair. That's the only time I've ever

601
00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:27.519
heard that again from what I saw, So I don't know how my father

602
00:45:27.599 --> 00:45:30.480
knew to call it angel hair.
I have no idea. Yeah, and

603
00:45:30.519 --> 00:45:36.519
there's been several instances where they've been
a UFO encounter of some sort, and

604
00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:42.400
there's been this strange substance reported,
not since the UFOs has been reported around

605
00:45:42.559 --> 00:45:45.760
movastations of Mary in the past,
but it's somebody has been around for a

606
00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:51.199
good while. And I think you
were talking about the cat Landrum Dayton Texas.

607
00:45:51.360 --> 00:45:53.400
Okay, Dayton, Okay, Yeah, it either happened there or they

608
00:45:53.400 --> 00:45:57.679
were from there, or they were
from the other place and it happened there.

609
00:45:57.719 --> 00:46:00.400
But I do know somehow seeither New
Cane, your splendor of plays in

610
00:46:00.440 --> 00:46:05.199
there. Somehow I just don't remember, or maybe one of them was from

611
00:46:05.239 --> 00:46:07.400
there, any other they I don't
really recall. But I believe they had

612
00:46:07.400 --> 00:46:12.519
gone to play bingo or something and
when they saw that. I could be

613
00:46:12.559 --> 00:46:15.360
wrong, but I believe that's what
happened. I think they'd gone out for

614
00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:20.000
a meals or something and that was
in I think it was nineteen eighty when

615
00:46:20.000 --> 00:46:22.719
that happened. Okay. You know, it's a very big state and there

616
00:46:22.800 --> 00:46:25.920
was a lot of historic sightings from
the Lone Star State. Yeah. I

617
00:46:25.960 --> 00:46:31.599
didn't realize how how many until I
started to look back and see, like

618
00:46:31.840 --> 00:46:35.320
you know, I was just trying
to see. What I wanted to do

619
00:46:35.519 --> 00:46:39.000
was see where we're sightings reported so
I could kind of plot it out and

620
00:46:39.079 --> 00:46:43.239
see, like where was it happening
in Texas. I didn't realize there were

621
00:46:43.280 --> 00:46:45.800
so many. The shore is a
lot. When you saw your back in

622
00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:50.639
nineteen eighty eight, you know you're
you're your campaign. You were fishing and

623
00:46:50.880 --> 00:46:54.880
saw this first object in this field, what size would you give this object?

624
00:46:55.440 --> 00:47:00.639
I would have to say that when
it was in the back Okay,

625
00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:04.400
now, one thing that I did
forget to say whenever it was in that

626
00:47:04.519 --> 00:47:08.679
field in the back corner, and
it looked like a like a globe or

627
00:47:09.000 --> 00:47:13.679
it was like a ball at that
time. You know, when someone walks

628
00:47:13.719 --> 00:47:15.480
in front of a light, you
know, even at a distance, you

629
00:47:15.480 --> 00:47:21.159
can see that someone walks through there. It did seem like there was some

630
00:47:21.199 --> 00:47:24.599
sort of movement in front of that
light, and I did forget to say

631
00:47:24.599 --> 00:47:28.719
that it did seem that there was. And actually that was one of the

632
00:47:28.760 --> 00:47:31.280
reasons that I was really confused because
I thought, I thought, no,

633
00:47:31.400 --> 00:47:37.159
it couldn't be mister Strader's tractor because
he has two lights on his tractor.

634
00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:39.599
And then I saw that and then
I thought, well, okay, well

635
00:47:39.599 --> 00:47:44.039
maybe it is him. Maybe one
light just went out. And I never

636
00:47:44.079 --> 00:47:47.320
really thought about that until later.
You know that, Okay, something was

637
00:47:47.400 --> 00:47:51.840
outside of that. You know,
at some point I saw that movement,

638
00:47:51.920 --> 00:47:53.800
So I don't know what was out
there. And as far as the size,

639
00:47:53.920 --> 00:48:00.800
it was about fifteen feet wide and
about well, whatever was the pier.

640
00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:02.679
When it turned into the pyramid shape, it kind of morphed in the

641
00:48:02.760 --> 00:48:07.599
different shapes. But when it was
the ball as as far as wide,

642
00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:14.440
it looked like maybe fifteen to eighteen
feet wide and fixed to seven feet tall.

643
00:48:14.719 --> 00:48:17.280
I don't believe it could have been
taller than that. Between the first

644
00:48:17.400 --> 00:48:21.800
and the second object across the lake, do you think they were the same

645
00:48:21.880 --> 00:48:25.000
object? You know? Actually I
couldn't say, because I watched the first

646
00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:29.679
one go into the sky, go
up until it turned into like a spec

647
00:48:29.960 --> 00:48:34.519
and I wondered whether other ones around
could it have gone up and then came

648
00:48:34.559 --> 00:48:37.679
back down somewhere else. Blue light
of the one that came across the lake

649
00:48:38.559 --> 00:48:43.239
was a deep blue color, and
a matter of fact, as we were

650
00:48:43.280 --> 00:48:45.880
walking behind it, because like I
said, it was going so slow.

651
00:48:46.840 --> 00:48:51.840
It was going so we were walking
a slow pace. We weren't trying to

652
00:48:51.920 --> 00:48:57.519
hurry to catch up or anything barely
floating and it was tree level. And

653
00:48:57.599 --> 00:49:00.679
now that one, though, actually
was smaller, I would have I don't

654
00:49:00.679 --> 00:49:04.400
believe it may have been the same
because that seemed smaller, and I remember

655
00:49:04.480 --> 00:49:07.920
thinking like maybe this was like some
kind of probe or something that came out

656
00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:09.559
of the other one, But I
don't know that. I just know that

657
00:49:09.599 --> 00:49:14.880
it was a deeper blue color,
and it seemed to be smaller and was

658
00:49:14.960 --> 00:49:20.159
like a size of like a large
beach ball. And then with the light

659
00:49:20.239 --> 00:49:23.559
coming off of it, the light
looked almost tangible if you could see the

660
00:49:23.679 --> 00:49:27.480
light coming off of it. I
think it was the light that was coming

661
00:49:27.519 --> 00:49:30.360
off of it made it look larger. Like I said, it was going

662
00:49:30.400 --> 00:49:35.639
really slow. It's so dark out
there. We were walking by the light,

663
00:49:35.840 --> 00:49:37.960
the light that it was shining down
in that path, because otherwise it

664
00:49:38.000 --> 00:49:42.039
would have been pitch black. We
couldn't have walked through there without that light.

665
00:49:42.519 --> 00:49:45.039
We didn't grab a flashlight. We
didn't think to grab one. We

666
00:49:45.039 --> 00:49:50.599
were just so in awe of this
light. And remember my friend putting his

667
00:49:50.679 --> 00:49:54.079
shoes on, and but yeah,
we just we walked behind it and we

668
00:49:54.239 --> 00:50:00.239
walked in the light of it that
it was casting there, because other like

669
00:50:00.239 --> 00:50:01.199
I said, it would have been
too dark. We couldn't have walked through

670
00:50:01.199 --> 00:50:05.480
there without a flashlight. But it
was lighting this place up. The other

671
00:50:05.559 --> 00:50:08.800
one lit up that entire area underneath
that canopy. It was like these rays

672
00:50:08.840 --> 00:50:13.880
of light coming through it just lit
that whole place up. The other one

673
00:50:13.920 --> 00:50:15.800
was like a lighter, it was
like a white blue, and that one

674
00:50:15.920 --> 00:50:20.800
was a dark blue. So it
was an illuminating all the surroundings, the

675
00:50:20.880 --> 00:50:23.800
canopy of the trees, and it
was produced enough light so you had enough

676
00:50:24.119 --> 00:50:29.800
visual to follow absolutely. And then
it went in the same direction as the

677
00:50:29.800 --> 00:50:32.199
original object, to the same field. Right, Yes, it went to

678
00:50:32.239 --> 00:50:35.840
the very same place. So,
like I said, I was telling my

679
00:50:36.079 --> 00:50:38.159
friend, telling him how everything happened. How you know, it came up

680
00:50:38.199 --> 00:50:39.679
and it went here, and then
it went back, and I went in

681
00:50:39.639 --> 00:50:42.679
to the house, and you know, I was telling him the whole story.

682
00:50:42.880 --> 00:50:45.280
And but yeah, it went back, I say, basically from where

683
00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:50.440
I remember the other one being when
it went up, that's where this one

684
00:50:50.519 --> 00:50:53.360
went. It went there, and
like I say, the light, the

685
00:50:53.440 --> 00:50:59.000
light changed on it. And another
thing that is always posited me. They

686
00:50:59.079 --> 00:51:02.440
moved so fast, They were so
fast, but it didn't make any kind

687
00:51:02.480 --> 00:51:06.199
of beads. They were going.
You would think there would be some sort

688
00:51:06.199 --> 00:51:09.079
of sound, if not like a
sonic boom, but you would think there

689
00:51:09.079 --> 00:51:14.280
would be some sort of sound.
Not the slightest whisper, nothing, no

690
00:51:14.440 --> 00:51:17.079
hum, no nothing, no no
sound at all. Even when it was

691
00:51:17.119 --> 00:51:21.559
moving across the lake and end at
the path, there was no zero sound,

692
00:51:21.599 --> 00:51:24.559
complete silence. Right, And when
did the dreams that seemed to have

693
00:51:24.599 --> 00:51:29.480
been going a linear age path?
When did you have your final one?

694
00:51:29.519 --> 00:51:32.360
When did that cease the dreams?
And I was in my twenties, I'd

695
00:51:32.400 --> 00:51:37.679
have to say that I was probably
about twenty five or twenty six, I

696
00:51:37.760 --> 00:51:42.719
believe so, and was so odd. Actually talked to Art Bell and Bud

697
00:51:42.760 --> 00:51:46.119
Hopkins one night, kind of I've
wanted to call and talk every time I

698
00:51:46.199 --> 00:51:50.199
thought, you know, heard Bud
Hopkins was on, man, I was

699
00:51:50.280 --> 00:51:52.280
on the line. I wanted to
talk to Bud Hopkins. I wanted to

700
00:51:52.280 --> 00:51:58.559
tell him my story. And I
did talk to them. I was the

701
00:51:58.679 --> 00:52:02.679
last caller that they ran out of
time, and I was the guy that

702
00:52:02.880 --> 00:52:07.639
was I was able to tell America
good night. Ninety eight, ninety nine,

703
00:52:07.960 --> 00:52:12.239
probably ninety eight. Yeah, I
tried, man, I tried for

704
00:52:12.239 --> 00:52:15.320
a long time, and I finally
got in and it was I was able

705
00:52:15.360 --> 00:52:17.079
to tell them a little bit.
Think about it. I actually told him

706
00:52:17.079 --> 00:52:22.119
about the metal thing in my finger
nail, and I don't remember what Bud

707
00:52:22.119 --> 00:52:24.519
Hopkins said, but that was pretty
much that was like the end of the

708
00:52:24.519 --> 00:52:29.039
show. So I did get to
say that, and then it was okay.

709
00:52:29.159 --> 00:52:31.000
It was like good night to America, right. You know. That's

710
00:52:31.039 --> 00:52:35.880
another thing. I was saving those
things under my nail. I was saving

711
00:52:35.920 --> 00:52:38.960
those and I would put them in
a like this pimento jar. They kept

712
00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:43.320
coming back. I had actually come
back so many times I had. I

713
00:52:43.440 --> 00:52:46.559
found a way to get them out
without you know, because I was like

714
00:52:46.840 --> 00:52:51.960
cut like a line in my thumbnail
with a needle, just going back and

715
00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:53.800
forth until I could get to that. And I found a better way to

716
00:52:53.840 --> 00:52:57.239
get to it, so I could
just get it from the you know,

717
00:52:57.400 --> 00:53:00.239
like the front point and pull it
out. And I was saving those things,

718
00:53:00.320 --> 00:53:04.239
and then one day they're just they
were gone. I have no idea

719
00:53:04.280 --> 00:53:07.840
what happened to them. They were
just gone because I kept that. I

720
00:53:07.920 --> 00:53:10.719
kept that jar in the same place. And then I was going to tell

721
00:53:10.760 --> 00:53:15.119
someone about it. Because see that's
the thing. Like my friend he was

722
00:53:15.840 --> 00:53:19.920
he didn't like to talk about it, my brother, and you know,

723
00:53:20.079 --> 00:53:23.840
he wasn't he wasn't thrilled to talk
about it, but you know he would,

724
00:53:23.920 --> 00:53:27.599
but he wouldn't bring it up.
Me. On the other hand,

725
00:53:28.280 --> 00:53:30.519
now I wanted to talk about it. I wanted to talk about it.

726
00:53:30.599 --> 00:53:34.400
I wanted to know what it was. I wanted to know as many people

727
00:53:34.400 --> 00:53:37.599
as I could who had experienced that. I wanted to talk about it.

728
00:53:37.679 --> 00:53:42.719
I was very open about it.
Your dream stopped about twenty five twenty six.

729
00:53:43.159 --> 00:53:46.280
What about in the last twenty five
years, has there been any incidents

730
00:53:46.320 --> 00:53:51.280
which kind of stand out in any
way? Well, I have seen things,

731
00:53:51.280 --> 00:53:53.599
but I don't recall now if we're
you know, just saying saying on

732
00:53:53.639 --> 00:53:59.920
the topic of UFOs, that I
have seen some UFOs, but nothing to

733
00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:02.280
a degree that I saw at the
time. When I was fifteen, I

734
00:54:02.360 --> 00:54:08.519
actually tried to take pictures of something
that I saw after it. This was

735
00:54:08.559 --> 00:54:12.280
after Hurricane Katrina. See, I
lived here. I looked around the like

736
00:54:12.320 --> 00:54:16.400
I said, on the Gulf coast, and after Katrina, all the lights

737
00:54:16.400 --> 00:54:20.800
were out, you know, so
you could actually see the sky. And

738
00:54:20.840 --> 00:54:24.440
so I saw, I'm just gonna
go and look while it's so dark and

739
00:54:25.000 --> 00:54:29.719
put it on a time or whatever
to you know, take pictures at night.

740
00:54:30.199 --> 00:54:34.840
And I was setting my camera up, just propping it up and taking

741
00:54:34.880 --> 00:54:38.199
pictures over the water. It was
so odd. I even called when I

742
00:54:38.239 --> 00:54:43.400
did have the picture. I just
I called it crazy, or that's what

743
00:54:43.480 --> 00:54:47.679
I titled the picture, labeled it
because there were three. But in one

744
00:54:47.719 --> 00:54:52.079
of the pictures, I had no
idea what it was, but there was

745
00:54:52.760 --> 00:55:00.199
a green light in there and it
had like a tracer behind it. But

746
00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:04.039
of course, you know, it
was on a slow shutter speed for being

747
00:55:04.199 --> 00:55:07.000
you know, nighttime. And all
I can say is, as far as

748
00:55:07.039 --> 00:55:09.199
this goes like, you know,
I didn't I didn't see a light in

749
00:55:09.239 --> 00:55:14.360
the sky. I was standing there
waiting for the you know, for the

750
00:55:14.360 --> 00:55:21.400
camera to finished this long exposure picture. I never saw a light, but

751
00:55:21.519 --> 00:55:25.119
there was like green light, but
I never saw it with my own eyes.

752
00:55:25.719 --> 00:55:30.519
And so you know, when it
comes to things like that, I

753
00:55:30.679 --> 00:55:35.760
tend to think like, okay,
maybe it is a legitimate something, but

754
00:55:36.119 --> 00:55:39.039
also it's a digital camera, and
maybe it was something else. I don't

755
00:55:39.079 --> 00:55:43.840
know, not as not, like
I say, not not to the degree

756
00:55:43.880 --> 00:55:46.360
that I saw no no dreams or
any or anything like that. It's been

757
00:55:46.360 --> 00:55:51.119
pretty quiet since the age of twenty
five twenty six. But as far as

758
00:55:51.159 --> 00:55:54.719
like dreams, I really think that
for the most part, those dreams stopped

759
00:55:55.000 --> 00:56:00.000
and it was odd. But when
I was in my thirties, I started

760
00:56:00.239 --> 00:56:05.079
to have that first dream that I
had before when I was younger, of

761
00:56:05.239 --> 00:56:07.360
those lights coming out of the lake. I saying, they're coming out of

762
00:56:07.400 --> 00:56:10.239
the lake. I couldn't see the
lake in the dream. I was standing

763
00:56:10.320 --> 00:56:15.079
in that field beside the lake,
and there was a tree line that went

764
00:56:15.199 --> 00:56:19.199
around the lake at that portion of
the lake, and the lights were coming

765
00:56:19.400 --> 00:56:22.880
up from the other side of those
trees. Because it has just been this

766
00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:27.639
tree line and the lake on the
other side. Now where they came from

767
00:56:29.079 --> 00:56:32.199
exactly, I don't know. They
could have just floated over there, the

768
00:56:32.239 --> 00:56:37.519
same as the blue one floated that
we followed on foot. But they were

769
00:56:37.559 --> 00:56:42.119
coming up out of the from the
other side and then back down into the

770
00:56:42.119 --> 00:56:45.719
field, and they would bounce around, and the other ones looked like coins

771
00:56:45.760 --> 00:56:50.599
wobbling, I guess to call it. I started to have that dream again

772
00:56:51.679 --> 00:56:55.519
when I was in my thirties,
but I don't know why. Now I

773
00:56:55.559 --> 00:57:01.400
do want to say this. I
know this is off topic from UFOs,

774
00:57:02.000 --> 00:57:07.159
but there's something I don't know.
If you've ever heard of the Saratoga lights,

775
00:57:07.400 --> 00:57:10.679
I'm sure you've probably heard of,
like the Martha lights. Sure,

776
00:57:12.159 --> 00:57:15.960
yeah, Okay, well, there's
also something called Saratoga Lightsness in Saratoga,

777
00:57:16.079 --> 00:57:21.599
Texas. It's me and that same
guy, my friend that was camping with

778
00:57:21.679 --> 00:57:25.519
me. We had heard about this
light and now at this point we were

779
00:57:27.400 --> 00:57:31.239
I think about eighteen or nineteen,
and we wanted to go see this for

780
00:57:31.400 --> 00:57:36.119
ourselves. We wanted to go and
check it out, and we brought our

781
00:57:36.119 --> 00:57:39.280
girlfriends with us. They wanted to
go, and we found out later that

782
00:57:39.320 --> 00:57:43.079
was going to be a bad idea, but we went and we sat and

783
00:57:43.079 --> 00:57:45.880
you're just on this dirt road and
it's just pitch black, and sure enough,

784
00:57:46.159 --> 00:57:51.079
there was a light that came out
and it back and forth, and

785
00:57:51.119 --> 00:57:53.199
it was so hard to tell it's, you know, to judge the distance

786
00:57:53.320 --> 00:57:58.159
of it from you. And it
started out at the distance and it was

787
00:57:58.280 --> 00:58:02.599
the color of the light would change
from like an orange to red color and

788
00:58:02.679 --> 00:58:07.880
sometimes to like a yellow color,
but always like a yellowish and orangish reddish

789
00:58:07.960 --> 00:58:12.800
colors. And then it would just
change in size. But it was going

790
00:58:12.920 --> 00:58:15.679
back and forth across this road.
Now, of course, the story is

791
00:58:15.800 --> 00:58:21.199
like many of this dirt road.
Now I believe this is true. Though

792
00:58:21.480 --> 00:58:25.880
that dirt road is on top of
an old railroad track. But the story

793
00:58:27.039 --> 00:58:32.400
is, of course that it's some
guy that worked on the railroads or something

794
00:58:32.599 --> 00:58:37.079
and would walk with the lights to
check the tracks. Then somehow fell on

795
00:58:37.119 --> 00:58:42.280
the track or something, and of
course the train come and he lost his

796
00:58:42.320 --> 00:58:45.159
head and now he's looking for his
head. That's a story. But I've

797
00:58:45.199 --> 00:58:46.719
heard that same kind of story so
many times. There were so many of

798
00:58:46.719 --> 00:58:50.400
those types of things. I don't
know what it is, but I will

799
00:58:50.440 --> 00:58:53.960
say we did see that light and
it was going back and forth across the

800
00:58:54.079 --> 00:58:59.760
road. Now the girls with this, they started to like panic, But

801
00:59:00.239 --> 00:59:02.840
me and my friend we're like,
nah, we're waiting to see what this

802
00:59:02.840 --> 00:59:07.599
this. We're gonna wait. That
thing came back and forth, back and

803
00:59:07.639 --> 00:59:10.280
forth, back and forth, and
slowly toward it, slowly towards until it

804
00:59:10.320 --> 00:59:14.519
actually got right there. We were
in a truck. It was an old

805
00:59:14.679 --> 00:59:17.920
B ten Chevy leave it at C
one ten or C ten full size Chevy

806
00:59:17.960 --> 00:59:24.920
truck, and that light came through
the cab of that truck. And it

807
00:59:25.000 --> 00:59:31.119
was so weird because it turned inside
of that cab. It lit up inside

808
00:59:31.119 --> 00:59:36.000
of there. And why I say
it was bad for us to have brought

809
00:59:36.199 --> 00:59:38.840
our girlfriends with us is. I
didn't know it at the time, but

810
00:59:38.880 --> 00:59:44.519
my girlfriend was so weird. They
were screaming, but it couldn't hear them

811
00:59:45.159 --> 00:59:50.159
as that light was coming through.
But my girlfriend had latched onto my arm

812
00:59:50.800 --> 00:59:54.360
and her fingernails were just embedded into
my arm. But I didn't know it

813
00:59:54.519 --> 01:00:00.840
until after that thing come through.
And it was so odd. And I

814
01:00:00.880 --> 01:00:04.320
have to say it now. My
friend he said he experienced the same thing.

815
01:00:04.719 --> 01:00:07.639
It was as this. It was
as if things got slow or something,

816
01:00:07.960 --> 01:00:13.639
because I could see both of those
girls screaming and I couldn't hear them,

817
01:00:14.000 --> 01:00:16.159
but it wasn't a normal screen.
It almost looked like they were froze.

818
01:00:16.679 --> 01:00:21.400
And as the light passed through,
it was like someone turned the volume

819
01:00:21.480 --> 01:00:23.480
up, you know, or the
sound come back on, and they were

820
01:00:23.480 --> 01:00:29.320
screaming so loud. And yeah,
I had some her fingernails dug at me

821
01:00:29.360 --> 01:00:34.239
and my friend I don't remember.
I think he was I think she scratched

822
01:00:34.280 --> 01:00:37.000
him too or something. I don't
remember, but I know that my girlfriend

823
01:00:37.000 --> 01:00:40.760
at the time, she was very
unhappy with us. That was another thing

824
01:00:40.800 --> 01:00:45.039
that me and him experienced together that
you know, was really cool. But

825
01:00:45.119 --> 01:00:47.360
again, it was so odd.
Was that after we saw that. I

826
01:00:47.440 --> 01:00:52.119
was very open about it, but
he didn't like to talk about it much.

827
01:00:52.239 --> 01:00:55.000
It's kind of odd how how different
people respond. I think he didn't

828
01:00:55.000 --> 01:00:59.719
believe it was even going to be
there. I didn't know when he invited

829
01:00:59.719 --> 01:01:02.079
me to go. I had never
heard of that before, and so I

830
01:01:02.119 --> 01:01:06.559
was kind of excited to go.
And actually I had never heard the Marshal

831
01:01:06.639 --> 01:01:08.599
lights. I didn't hear about the
Marshal lights until I was, you know,

832
01:01:08.800 --> 01:01:13.480
much older the lights of Saratoga.
I'm pretty sure I've had a guest

833
01:01:13.559 --> 01:01:17.119
on that as seen the same lights. But they're interesting and these lights awes

834
01:01:17.159 --> 01:01:20.800
of lights. He have a lot
of interest in Texas. Yeah, you

835
01:01:20.880 --> 01:01:22.440
know, when I think about it, well, you have the Marvel lights,

836
01:01:22.519 --> 01:01:27.000
you have the Saratoga lights, and
I believe there are some other ones.

837
01:01:27.079 --> 01:01:31.840
And the thing about it is that
the Alabamaka Shada Native Americans that lived

838
01:01:31.880 --> 01:01:37.159
there. A friend of mine,
Wendel, he told me about those lights

839
01:01:37.199 --> 01:01:44.760
and about where he lived on the
Alabama Shada Reservation, that they saw them

840
01:01:44.800 --> 01:01:49.679
there, and he was like really
into, you know, his Native American

841
01:01:49.800 --> 01:01:52.440
roots and things like that, and
he would tell me about these lights that

842
01:01:52.519 --> 01:01:57.400
they had on the reservation. But
he would tell me these stories. And

843
01:01:57.400 --> 01:02:00.679
the other thing is I wish I
could remember the stories, but you have

844
01:02:00.920 --> 01:02:04.760
these tales about them, and so
whereas these I'm hearing the stories of you

845
01:02:04.800 --> 01:02:07.679
know, it was the guy who
lost his head working on the train track.

846
01:02:07.920 --> 01:02:09.960
When then he's telling me like it
was some sort of you know,

847
01:02:10.039 --> 01:02:14.840
some kind of spirit saying or you
know, or a spiritual thing with these

848
01:02:15.079 --> 01:02:17.639
you know, with the Native American
tribe that he was from, and I

849
01:02:17.679 --> 01:02:21.760
guess it was probably the same with
other tribes. I don't really know.

850
01:02:22.079 --> 01:02:24.719
Yeah, all these stories from legend, they get passed down sometimes you know,

851
01:02:24.800 --> 01:02:28.639
the details get changed and they you
know, it becomes a little bit

852
01:02:28.679 --> 01:02:31.519
more modernized. Good stuff, Michael. Interesting, as far as I have,

853
01:02:31.639 --> 01:02:36.000
I think that's pretty much, Michael. I really appreciate you coming on

854
01:02:36.119 --> 01:02:37.840
sharing that for our listeners. Oh, no problem, Deck, I appreciate

855
01:02:37.880 --> 01:02:40.679
you having me. It's been great
talking to you. All right, thank

856
01:02:40.679 --> 01:02:44.079
you too. All right, buddy, all right, you take care yourself

857
01:02:44.159 --> 01:02:47.440
rather man taker take you. That
is all for today. Keep updated and

858
01:02:47.559 --> 01:02:52.199
connected with the show on x Facebook
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859
01:02:52.280 --> 01:02:57.199
encounter that you'd like to share on
the podcast. You can email me at

860
01:02:57.480 --> 01:03:01.400
UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com,
or you can reach out to me via

861
01:03:01.440 --> 01:03:07.360
the contact page on my website ufo
Chronicles podcast dot com. A big thank

862
01:03:07.400 --> 01:03:12.480
you to Michael for sharing tonight and
thank you all for listening. I will

863
01:03:12.519 --> 01:03:16.719
be back on Thursday. Till then, stay safe, we'll keep watching the

864
01:03:16.760 --> 01:04:13.960
skies. Goodbye,