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You're a detective sergeant. 18 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:31,599 You're assigned to Robbery Detail. Four young hoodlums wanted for a series of 19 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:37,919 robberies are headed for your city. They're armed, reckless, cold blooded. 20 00:02:38,039 --> 00:02:53,560 Your job get them drag Nets the documented drama of an actual crime. While 21 00:02:53,599 --> 00:02:58,240 the next thirty minutes, in cooperation with the Los Angeles Police Department, you 22 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:00,800 will travel step by step on the s of the law through an actual case, 23 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:07,199 from official police files, from beginning to end, from crime to punishment. 24 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:14,120 Dragnet is the story of your police force election. It was Friday, 25 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,199 December tenth and was cold in Los Angeles. We were working a day watch 26 00:03:17,199 --> 00:03:22,000 out of robbery Detail. My partner's been Romero. The boss is that Brown 27 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,000 Chief Detectives. My name is Friday. Was seven fifty five am when I 28 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:31,599 got the room, twenty seven a robbery detail. Bring Hi, Joe, 29 00:03:32,159 --> 00:03:37,000 Hi, Joe called out, isn't it rank? What are you doing here 30 00:03:37,039 --> 00:03:39,240 this early? Can't you sleep? I'm waiting for something special. Liver letter 31 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:43,680 for my brother one up in Frisco with the police department. Yeah, only 32 00:03:43,759 --> 00:03:46,479 up there. They don't like it when you call it Frisco. Yeah, 33 00:03:46,639 --> 00:03:51,240 he's in robbery detail called him last night. All three kids said that tonsos 34 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:53,919 at the same day. Thought it'd be nice to call see how they were 35 00:03:53,159 --> 00:03:58,479 all three at once? Yeah, Tomson's nothing these days? How they make 36 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,280 a good home already? What's the letter got to do with it? Oh? 37 00:04:01,319 --> 00:04:03,960 Well, my brother told me he was sending down some dope on four 38 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:08,439 pretty rough characters. Bigs are headed our way, sending mugshots too, for 39 00:04:08,719 --> 00:04:12,560 you and your brother running a detective agency on the side. M it's a 40 00:04:12,599 --> 00:04:15,120 little irregular. The official correspondence will come a little later. What do you 41 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:18,839 know about the guys almost killed him? Man? I didn't get any details. 42 00:04:18,879 --> 00:04:21,759 It's all in the letter. Ought to be here and the Minute mailed 43 00:04:21,759 --> 00:04:25,639 it at noon yesterday. How come you moved on here with your family? 44 00:04:25,639 --> 00:04:29,240 Franklin's like it up, noire, like la better more elbow room here. 45 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:31,240 You live in a house and a lot, not just an apartment. I 46 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:38,639 get it. Robbery Fridy Wilson Tony shops at Joe No, I think so. 47 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:43,439 Holder William Tony here. Huh, I didn't see you behind that paper 48 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,680 for me. Yeah, he's here. If he's not Bessy asking him to 49 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,800 come, especially a couple of Mexican girls. You can't speak English. I 50 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:53,279 guess we can spare them for a while. I'll tell him what's up. 51 00:04:54,199 --> 00:04:56,560 Well, that's Wilson and Auto Detail. He'd like you to go over an 52 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,680 next interpreter for a couple of mixing girls. Are they pretty? You're not 53 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:03,360 going? I'm done there to marry him. I'll bet you wallam at parties, 54 00:05:04,519 --> 00:05:11,639 nothing much doing slow date. They don't come often enough for me. 55 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:16,680 They did, we'd be out of a job. It was one of those 56 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:21,360 rare slow days. He killed a couple of hours going over the daily reports, 57 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,920 cleaned out the top drawer of my desk, shot in a few pencils. 58 00:05:27,079 --> 00:05:30,560 At ten fifteen am, the special delivery letter came for Frank. He 59 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,000 slit the top of them with his pocket knife and shook out four mug shots. 60 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:43,279 Here it is following four men wanted for robberies, auto thefts and safe 61 00:05:43,319 --> 00:05:48,480 burglary's in San Francisco Bay area. Cliff Small nineteen, George Shum twenty, 62 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:56,199 both escaped from Preston Julius Carver eighteen, Fred Malick twenty, both army deserters. 63 00:05:56,319 --> 00:05:58,519 I'm gonna checks out with that ap be from his self last week? 64 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:01,319 What are the records of done? Small shoting army captain during an argument at 65 00:06:01,319 --> 00:06:06,120 a bar and then two capers. These men shout it out with us and 66 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:11,800 escaped. Information shows all four left four. All the signs are several days 67 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:15,800 ago, driving stolen car, blue Chevrolet, probably using cold plates. Let 68 00:06:15,879 --> 00:06:20,680 me see those lug shots here. I know we know who we're looking for, 69 00:06:21,199 --> 00:06:27,360 brother tell us. Where just a couple of nice girls that got mixed 70 00:06:27,399 --> 00:06:30,120 up with the wrong guys. Take a look at these pictures. Oh, 71 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,120 the monks from San Francisco. Yeah, says they're in a stolen car, 72 00:06:32,199 --> 00:06:35,759 cold plates. That's how these girls were picked up. Hot car, bro 73 00:06:36,439 --> 00:06:39,839 They went for a ride with a couple of guys they met at a movie. 74 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,680 When the car ran out of gas, the boys dug the girls got 75 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,279 picked up. They have a lead on a guy. No, not a 76 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,279 thing. The young guys around twenty. You think these might be the ones 77 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:51,879 from Frisco. Let's talk to girls. Come on, Frank, you want 78 00:06:51,879 --> 00:07:00,759 to cover the office. Oh yeah, sure they speak English at all, 79 00:07:00,959 --> 00:07:11,519 not enough to make sense. That's dolorous. And this one is Marie s 80 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,879 and patas the robbery details, they say, And I said I was status. 81 00:07:17,839 --> 00:07:20,199 He says, they didn't do anything. I suppose they told you all 82 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:24,120 I know already. And they're not much help. They said they don't know 83 00:07:24,199 --> 00:07:27,560 anything about the fellows they were with showing me he's ask him if they've ever 84 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:41,600 seen him before, says asked us individual mm see his sister. These are 85 00:07:41,639 --> 00:07:44,920 the guys that took him out last, I ask him. Karen the sick, 86 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:51,079 asked Dough who lost as soon Carver and Melik the Army deserves ask him 87 00:07:51,079 --> 00:08:01,319 to describe him with you call myslims and team Poe. That was cooln we 88 00:08:01,439 --> 00:08:05,800 ruffle, you have love. And then she says, they sat in the 89 00:08:05,839 --> 00:08:09,639 car all the time. It was dark, but they looked very handsome and 90 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:11,439 they talked nice. Where did the fellows pick them up? They told me 91 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:15,360 in front of the Jubilee Theater, Second and Broadway. Yeah, and then 92 00:08:15,399 --> 00:08:18,399 what the girls couldn't understand English, but they understood when the boys motioned them 93 00:08:18,399 --> 00:08:28,600 to hop in, And I said, thought Maria crele A barl of Pistol 94 00:08:28,639 --> 00:08:33,639 and like Lemingo, she says, no. Marie thought she recognized them from 95 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:39,440 church Sunday, but she was mistaken. There must have been some day the 96 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:43,960 boys couldn't talk Spanish and the girls couldn't talk. What'd they go on this 97 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,200 ride, Tony. They don't know the streets. They just know they got 98 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,600 to the beach and then they turned around. We're about halfway back on the 99 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:52,960 car and hat of gas and that's again she didn't get Marie here to talk 100 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:58,799 in my ear, can't come in to tomorrow and parier I'll apply, you 101 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:13,159 must say I Maria premo paramos esperamos the interest with perlotr and squat she doesn't 102 00:09:13,159 --> 00:09:16,679 know, but she remembers they stopped in their little hotel. The girls wait 103 00:09:16,759 --> 00:09:18,799 while the boys took a little puppy out of their car and put it in 104 00:09:18,799 --> 00:09:22,840 the room, a puppy. If they don't know where the hotel was, 105 00:09:22,879 --> 00:09:31,120 maybe they can tell us what it was near Okays And like Tina be a 106 00:09:31,399 --> 00:09:35,960 nice tassi on the Gasolina and she says, there was a gas station on 107 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:43,480 the corner. What else can I tell? Lal de los real Patia, 108 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,440 she says, across the car tracks. There were two or three big garagi. 109 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:56,080 Could be in the Worst Lake district. That's the garage and second Way 110 00:09:56,080 --> 00:10:03,799 hotels on there released first maybe Grand Avenue, Pico, Pico, Pico, 111 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:13,279 Alenia Pico. We took the girls with us and drove out to Grand and 112 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,559 Pico, and then up and down Pico's slow until the girls pointed out a 113 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:20,360 hotel just south of Flower. They weren't sure. Ben and I got out. 114 00:10:20,639 --> 00:10:22,440 They walked up to the hotel desk. The clerk was just starting to 115 00:10:22,519 --> 00:10:30,159 vacuum. We're looking for Julius Carving Fred Malick. Are they staying here? 116 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,840 What's the names? Head? Hey, over the vacuum, Julius Carver and 117 00:10:33,879 --> 00:10:37,399 Fred Mallick. No, not here, police officers. We take a look 118 00:10:37,399 --> 00:10:41,639 at these pictures. Oh, could have been two of the boys had checked 119 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:45,440 out this morning, but they didn't look as tough as this. How many 120 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:50,720 weather or here are two more pictures. You have a look. Please could 121 00:10:50,759 --> 00:10:54,919 be about the right aid? How long did they stays? Two nights? 122 00:10:54,159 --> 00:10:58,960 Said to have a puff with him? I said to have a puff with 123 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:01,879 him, puppy dog. Yes they did, yes, sir, little collie 124 00:11:01,879 --> 00:11:05,679 puff. Did they pay up. No, they skipped out, owing me 125 00:11:05,759 --> 00:11:11,679 two days. We see how they registered plays shut off This dang vacuum. 126 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:16,559 Person can hardly hear himself. Think over that dragon. Now, I want 127 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:24,720 to see the register. We use cards here. Let me see here they 128 00:11:24,759 --> 00:11:37,200 are Bob Reynolds, Jack Sharp, Jim Smith, and William Grant. That's 129 00:11:37,279 --> 00:11:39,240 Vegas, Nevada. I have to pick those names out of the hat. 130 00:11:39,279 --> 00:11:43,840 They say where they were going? No, no forwarding address. Did they 131 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:46,799 write these cards out themselves? But they did. That's the law. You 132 00:11:46,879 --> 00:11:48,879 matter. If we borrow them for a while, we'll have them photostat and 133 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:50,799 return to you. We're supposed to keep. You'll get them back. I 134 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:56,000 like to do everything legal. Those boys in some kind of trouble. They 135 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,960 leave anything in their room. They did, it's all in the vacuum. 136 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:01,080 We having to come back. Give us a ring, will you. Here's 137 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:05,519 our card robbery details, so they rob I took you for two days, 138 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:11,000 rent. It was two pm when Tony Chavis picked us up. He had 139 00:12:11,039 --> 00:12:15,320 Frank O'Donnell with him. We stopped at a dairy lunch and I called the 140 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:18,960 office and we split up into two teams. While Tony and Frank checked parking 141 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:20,879 lots in the neighborhood for stolen cars. Ben and I ran down the other 142 00:12:20,919 --> 00:12:24,840 hotels. In the next three hours. We talked to a dozen desk clerks 143 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:30,600 and roaming house managers, always the same answer no. Five thirty pm, 144 00:12:30,639 --> 00:12:33,559 we tried the Achilles Hotel on Grand Avenue. We walked into an overheated lobby 145 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:37,360 crowded with modern furniture. There were a couple of canary cages in front of 146 00:12:37,399 --> 00:12:41,080 the faded wall tapestries. The desk clerk was a woman in the early forties. 147 00:12:43,039 --> 00:12:46,600 Good afternoon, man, Please offer police us water water? Would you 148 00:12:46,759 --> 00:12:50,600 be what these policemen want? We'll just take a minute. We'd like to 149 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:56,679 know if you recognize these pictures here. No, that's no. We only 150 00:12:56,759 --> 00:13:01,440 take in on his hard working man. Sure, anybody laying around the rooms 151 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:03,039 all day? It keeps me from cleaning up. If your roomor's got a 152 00:13:03,039 --> 00:13:07,519 Collie pup, a dog, I'd die before I'd live a dog in this 153 00:13:07,639 --> 00:13:09,879 house. And if these fellows were the dogs, try to rent a room, 154 00:13:09,919 --> 00:13:13,519 would you please for us? Here's your memory, Lily, get them 155 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:18,039 back in there, honey, work nice, more go on there. Nelli's 156 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:20,399 on the nest now, yes, ma'am, we'd appreciate you watching for these 157 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:22,919 men. If your own protection too, No, I'll let you know. 158 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:26,080 Thank you, ma'am. Let's go back. Well, say before you go, 159 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,159 would you, gentlemen, do me a favor seeing and tell you're a 160 00:13:28,159 --> 00:13:31,480 policeman. Yes, ma'am. Mister marrin Ally up in room fourteen is a 161 00:13:31,519 --> 00:13:33,679 week behind this rent. Would you do me a favor and go out and 162 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:35,720 talk to him. I'm sorry, lady, we can't handle it. That's 163 00:13:35,759 --> 00:13:37,240 a civil matter. I'd advise you to go to room two six over out 164 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:39,919 the city Hall, see the city attorneys. They'll help you, Walter what 165 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:46,519 I tell you, they won't do it. That's the way it winds. 166 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:50,200 It was dark out now I'm getting cold again. We walked back to Pico 167 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:52,320 and FLOWERD to pick up Frank and Tony. Tony was there waiting for us. 168 00:13:52,879 --> 00:13:56,320 Hike. Come on up to the next corner. Frank's up there. 169 00:13:56,399 --> 00:13:58,919 We've got a hot car stacked up, you know, just half a block 170 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,159 from the hotel where the guys checked out. You had any luck? No, 171 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:05,000 do you find anything in the car. He's still in it. Nothing 172 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,759 else I could have stolen the last night after they left the girls. Huh, 173 00:14:07,799 --> 00:14:11,279 I called in and checked. He was taken in front of eleven ninety 174 00:14:11,279 --> 00:14:13,159 food though any drive between two and four this morning. We got out a 175 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:16,519 cart for it. That's about six flocks from where they ditched the car with 176 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:18,679 the girls in it, and they were out of gas. It's all down 177 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:20,679 the hill. It would have been a natural way for him to go, 178 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:24,120 would be the right car. Better keep a stake on. Yeah, Oh 179 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:28,759 hi, Frank, all right, you do any good? No, rank? 180 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:31,360 If you and Tony want to go eat and then and I'll cover the 181 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,799 car when you get back, we'll go for chop. Good dude, swell 182 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:41,399 fly. Well, let's sit in the car. Huh yeah, go ahead 183 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:58,279 and get the radio on a cigarette? No, what'd you think? I 184 00:14:58,279 --> 00:15:01,840 don't know. It's the same guys. Maybe not in the same neighborhood. 185 00:15:03,639 --> 00:15:07,279 A couple of things might tie in. Yeah, you can't be sure. 186 00:15:07,799 --> 00:15:09,759 They're really making a headwak about. All we know is they're in town. 187 00:15:11,039 --> 00:15:13,159 Yeah. It's a good sized town right now. It's the biggest in the 188 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:20,399 world. Seven pm. We knew the four gunmen were in town. We 189 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:24,639 knew they'd been seen. We figured there was no reason for him to skip 190 00:15:24,679 --> 00:15:26,559 town until they pulled a job or heard that we were looking for them. 191 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:31,320 Time was in their favor. Time to rob, time to kill, time 192 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:35,000 to get away. The check on the hotels continued. We left Frank O'Donnell 193 00:15:35,039 --> 00:15:37,960 and Tony Chavis on the stakeout, and Ben and I picked up the hotel 194 00:15:39,039 --> 00:15:43,399 routine. One place after another. Eight thirty pm, we walked down a 195 00:15:43,399 --> 00:15:46,399 long, narrow lobby to a little ball headed man at the desk and was 196 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:50,399 wearing glasses and reading a magazine called Astrology. When we walked in, he 197 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:56,840 tried to hide the bottle. Police officer, would you take a look at 198 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:03,480 these pictures? Please? What for se if you're can identify them? No, 199 00:16:03,639 --> 00:16:07,720 no, they don't look familiar to me. They may be carrying Collie 200 00:16:07,759 --> 00:16:15,240 pup. CALLI pop. Let me see those pictures again. Do you look 201 00:16:15,279 --> 00:16:19,279 familiar? Now? They had a pup with them? All right, yes, 202 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:25,720 I think so. I study faces, Yes, the same. Now 203 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:29,000 they here, I don't know. I mean they're out for the evening. 204 00:16:29,639 --> 00:16:32,519 I don't know. Are they registered here? Yes? They are? What 205 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:36,480 room are they expecting you? Oh, listen, this is important. Just 206 00:16:36,559 --> 00:16:40,600 answer the questions. What did they do. What's their room number, second 207 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:45,519 floor, room twenty two. If you have a key just a second, 208 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:59,080 Yeah, thank you, Come on man, cover me, yeah, twenty 209 00:16:59,159 --> 00:17:15,799 two. Give me the key. I watch it. Oh maybe we're home. 210 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:32,279 Clothes, shoes, all our stuffs here, they'll be back. You 211 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:37,240 are listening to Dragnet for the step by step solution to an actual police case. 212 00:17:42,559 --> 00:17:45,920 In the files of the Los Angeles Police Department. There are countless case 213 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:51,559 histories that never got space in the daily newspapers. The case of Cliff Small, 214 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:56,119 George Shum, Julius Carver, and Fred Malick was one of these four 215 00:17:56,160 --> 00:18:00,319 young hoodlums wanted for a series of robberies and petty burglaries. These men were 216 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:04,519 armed, and they'd shown that they wouldn't hesitate to shoot. By comparison with 217 00:18:04,559 --> 00:18:10,079 the sensational crime headline, the news value of this story rated an inch of 218 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:14,640 type on the fourth page of the second section. Yet the line separating these 219 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:18,680 four young thieves from banner headlines and back paid space is much thinner than the 220 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:22,680 average citizen realizes. The danger in a criminal case isn't always determined by the 221 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:27,319 space allotted to it in the newspapers. Many a peace officer's name has appeared 222 00:18:27,319 --> 00:18:32,400 in the obituary column of the same newspaper that allotted one inch of back paid 223 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:37,680 space to the crime story that was considered unimportant. I phoned the office and 224 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:41,240 asked for two men to cover the stolen car. As soon as the replacements 225 00:18:41,279 --> 00:18:44,799 arrived, Frank O'Donnell and Tony Chatters left the stake out on the stolen car 226 00:18:44,839 --> 00:18:48,680 and joined us at the hotel. Was eight fifty five pm. So what 227 00:18:48,799 --> 00:18:52,440 do they do back any idea? No, shir I told these what the 228 00:18:52,559 --> 00:18:56,119 officers I did tell you tonight. Yeah, you said they were out for 229 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:59,359 the that shit. I know I told you something. Was it? You 230 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:00,759 too? Who was it due to? Was this fella? And I? 231 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:04,279 Oh yeah, I don't remember things I say so good, but I know 232 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:08,119 faces things. Are you the manager here? Oh no, this place belongs 233 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:12,519 to Claude Claude who Tinny. Then you're in charge now only when Claude's not 234 00:19:12,559 --> 00:19:17,079 around. This is one of his places where we're gonna stake out Joe enough 235 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:19,799 room to turn around this lobby. That's what I've been telling Claude Claude Tinney. 236 00:19:21,079 --> 00:19:22,920 This is one of his places. Yeah, maybe you better leave that 237 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,559 bottle alone? Where we get this straightened out? Oh no, I don't 238 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:29,799 hit it heavy anymore. Just a little nip now again, drafty in here? 239 00:19:30,319 --> 00:19:32,680 Any idea where we can wait for these fellas and keep an eye on 240 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:34,720 the lobby. No, not enough room in this lobby to turn around. 241 00:19:34,759 --> 00:19:38,039 And I've said that to Claude. Yeah we know, Hey Clark, where 242 00:19:38,079 --> 00:19:41,480 does this door lay to? No, don't go in there. They're lighting 243 00:19:41,519 --> 00:19:48,640 here. I save old bottles. Ragman gives me a penny each for them. 244 00:19:48,799 --> 00:19:52,480 Is that a storage room? What's that that room over there? Oh, 245 00:19:52,519 --> 00:19:56,079 that's the linen room. We keep all the linen there. That's about 246 00:19:56,079 --> 00:19:57,200 the only place. Who is Joe? If we want to wait out in 247 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:00,720 the car? All right, we're waiting there. A couple of chairs in 248 00:20:00,799 --> 00:20:03,279 there. I'll send the boys back when they come in. Be better. 249 00:20:03,279 --> 00:20:04,960 If you tell them nothing, how are they going to know you're here? 250 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:11,079 Will tell them you just don't say anything, all right, sir? Now 251 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:15,079 then I can just have your names. I'll see that the boys get the 252 00:20:15,079 --> 00:20:17,839 message. I look, mister, you just sit there and read your magazine. 253 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:21,279 Don't say anything. You got that, Okay, that's the way you 254 00:20:21,279 --> 00:20:36,839 want it. Come on. Let's go set smell in here, please, 255 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:45,799 strong? What time? Can't see? Frank, you've got a luminous watch 256 00:20:47,119 --> 00:21:10,920 night they've been macleans. You give me an eight o'clock profession right, This 257 00:21:11,039 --> 00:21:21,839 smells giving me a headache? Here. He's a bad in here. Yeah? 258 00:21:22,039 --> 00:21:23,279 Is there anything I can get you? Gentlemen? No, you just 259 00:21:23,279 --> 00:21:26,960 stay at the desk. Will you please? Say? Claude tin Ney's his 260 00:21:27,039 --> 00:21:30,799 name? He's the manager. Remember you asked me about that? Yeah, 261 00:21:30,839 --> 00:21:33,640 yeah, we know. What do you want him for? Look, you're 262 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:34,480 gonna have to stay away from this door. We don't want him to know 263 00:21:34,559 --> 00:21:41,200 where here. Okay, that's the way you want it. I could use 264 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:47,440 a cigarette. Yeah, all we need in here now? Smoke? What 265 00:21:47,640 --> 00:22:37,720 time is it? Frank? Oh never mind, let's said there's two of 266 00:22:37,759 --> 00:22:42,359 them. Then you come with me, Frank, Tony stay here right all 267 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,440 right? We're checking out tomorrow's Carver and Melick. Let's go, Ben, 268 00:22:48,519 --> 00:22:51,119 I get your hands up. Hey, what's going on? Is Dan still? 269 00:22:51,599 --> 00:22:57,799 Okay? Let's a big risk. There's a three eighty automatical Carver thirty 270 00:22:57,799 --> 00:23:04,400 eight caliber recover and then hip pocket another thirty eight on the maleex hold, 271 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:11,359 I said, but that's your hand. Let me have you a cuff. 272 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:18,319 Jo Here you go. Were your pals? What pals? Cliff Small and 273 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,000 George Shum We know you're running with him. You know that, you know 274 00:23:21,039 --> 00:23:25,799 where they are? How old are you? Eighteen? What's your name? 275 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:30,359 Fred Malick? Twenty? Tony? Yeah, you and Frank want to take 276 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,200 him downtown? Right, we'll see you down there. Let's go, Frank, 277 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:40,039 say you got him. Huh two, We're gonna wait for the other 278 00:23:40,079 --> 00:23:42,200 two. Now you just play it straight and stay away from that linen room. 279 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,480 How long you're gonna be in there? Chamber mate starts making up the 280 00:23:45,519 --> 00:23:48,440 beds around seven am. You'll have to beginning out that linen in there. 281 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:52,640 It's only ten thirty lots of time. We changed the sheets three times a 282 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,920 week in this hotel. I'm not where in the world. Let's get back 283 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:08,359 in there. I don't know what that smell is in here? L I 284 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:12,799 saw, Yeah, I forgot about that pup. That would be the tip. 285 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:19,960 I'll go get him. Come on, little Collo, here we go. 286 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:29,960 Come on, boy, he's hungry. Joe. Yeah, but I'll 287 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:42,279 put him down on the floor. Don't step on him. Yeah, what 288 00:24:42,279 --> 00:24:45,519 do you want Are you gonna wait for the other two boys? Yeah, 289 00:24:45,559 --> 00:24:49,079 when you get away from the door, say I want to help you all 290 00:24:49,079 --> 00:24:52,119 I can. Yeah. Yeah, that fuzzy little pup of theirs, he's 291 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,599 running all around the lob. Yeah, we've got him in here. Yeah, 292 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:57,480 you better go out there and get him. He's barking. It'll tip 293 00:24:57,559 --> 00:25:00,119 him off. Yeah, all right, now going back the death All right, 294 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,759 then you stay in here, I'll see a bit and catch him. 295 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:07,519 He comes around here again, you'll have to wait in here. You'll see 296 00:25:07,519 --> 00:25:19,880 your watch. Yeah, must be around eleven, must be said clerk again. 297 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:26,240 Yeah, say listen, I've been all over the lobby. You fellas 298 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,880 are in the clear. What do you mean that dog of theirs, he's 299 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,920 gone. You're in the clear. Look, he's in here with us. 300 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:34,759 Now when you stay away from here, please, Yeah, it's okay. 301 00:25:36,079 --> 00:25:48,200 The dog's gone. Hey, Pop came in the keep room twenty two, 302 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:53,039 Yes, sir, that's their room. Come on. Yeah, cut your 303 00:25:53,039 --> 00:25:56,799 hands up, watching, Joe, I'm at you. Hold your head. 304 00:25:56,200 --> 00:26:02,640 You didn't have to slap me. You didn't have to pull that gun right 305 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:11,119 over here, stand still thirty eight revolver on this one. Here it is 306 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:15,319 forty five cold, what's your names? And Cliff Small he's George Shump. 307 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,440 How old are you? Nineteen cops? We weren't, you'd be in a 308 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:23,559 lot more trouble than you are. And so then yeah, now let's feed 309 00:26:23,599 --> 00:26:30,200 that pup. Twelve fifteen am. We took the prisoners down to the City 310 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:34,240 Hall of the interrogation room. Tony Chavis and Frank O'Donnell were there with the 311 00:26:34,279 --> 00:26:38,640 other two Carver and Malick, while Ben helped question the suspects and made out 312 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,160 the necessary reports. I went across the street to the Federal Cafe. I 313 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,240 picked up two ten cent bottles of milk and a few slices of bread. 314 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:53,079 Look at him go, he was hungry. Yeah, how'd you come out? 315 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:57,440 And I got it all here. Let's see four stolen cars, eight 316 00:26:57,519 --> 00:27:03,039 known robberies, and San Francisco they copped out too. Great jobs in Portland, 317 00:27:03,079 --> 00:27:06,079 they admitted. You remember that bakers Field liquor store hold up about four 318 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:10,359 weeks ago for watching John. Yeah, probably a lot more. I haven't 319 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:14,960 told us all of it. Jen got out of app You'll probably get a 320 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,400 lot more wants on them. That's it. None of them read them more 321 00:27:18,519 --> 00:27:22,200 enough to vote yet. But they've committed practically every crime in the book. 322 00:27:22,799 --> 00:27:25,359 Just one thing more left to work out. What do we do with the 323 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,680 pump? How about s PC eight that final home point? No, not 324 00:27:27,839 --> 00:27:30,680 this little guy. Why don't you take him? Tony, you got kids, 325 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:40,240 You got a deal. He might have had a colle it pedal at 326 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:45,079 a periple. It's translation, your mother was a culley, but from now 327 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:56,200 on you're a police dog. The story you have just heard was true, 328 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:02,880 only the names were changed to protect the On February ninth, trial was held 329 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,160 in Superior Court, Department eighty eighth, City and County of Los Angeles, 330 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:18,160 State of California. In a moment the results of that trial, Clifford Small, 331 00:28:18,319 --> 00:28:22,440 George Shum, Julius Carver, and Fred Mallick were released to San Francisco 332 00:28:22,519 --> 00:28:26,920 authorities, where they were tried and convicted on eight counts of robbery in the 333 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,559 first degree. A hold was placed on them by the State of Oregon. 334 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:37,039 They are now serving their terms in the state penitentiary. You have just heard 335 00:28:37,079 --> 00:28:41,960 Dragnet a series of authentic cases from official files. Technical advice for Dragnet comes 336 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,960 from the Office of Chief of Police W. A. Wharton, Los Angeles 337 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:49,400 Police Department. Fatima Cigarettes, the best of all Long Cigarettes, has brought 338 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:55,279 you drag Met from Los Angeles Tomorrow. Here the Ronald Coleman's charming series The 339 00:28:55,359 --> 00:29:11,359 Halls of Ivy on NBC, welcome back. A different episode that's practically a 340 00:29:11,519 --> 00:29:17,000 day in the life of a working detective, complete with drunk clerks and landladies 341 00:29:17,039 --> 00:29:22,279 who expect you to harass delinquent tenants for them. I also had to chuckole 342 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,799 Ben objecting to the notion of smoking in that closet. Yeah, a cigarette 343 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:32,240 company might be sponsoring the show, but come on, man. And while 344 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,920 it's not hilarious, I do actually find the TV version of the story to 345 00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:42,119 be pretty darn amusing, with the role of the clerk really ammed up. 346 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:47,640 In terms of the comedy value. It's the type of story that if you 347 00:29:47,799 --> 00:29:52,039 want like one of the lighter Dragnet episodes, even if you prefer the lighter 348 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:57,720 episodes from the nineteen sixties, this one is perfect when you're in the mood 349 00:29:57,799 --> 00:30:03,960 for it. But Fay's monologue about the difference between front page crime and that 350 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:11,720 which goes far into the back pages is worthy of consideration. Police doing their 351 00:30:11,839 --> 00:30:17,720 jobs on sort of simple, barely worth noting. Cases like this prevent the 352 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:22,599 sort of headline making crimes that really include a lot of tragedy, and when 353 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:30,000 you're dealing with young armed men who have already shot people, it really was 354 00:30:30,319 --> 00:30:34,559 just a matter of time until it became something far more serious and dark. 355 00:30:34,759 --> 00:30:41,200 But as this is, it's a surprisingly entertaining episode for as little incident as 356 00:30:41,319 --> 00:30:45,559 there is, and again with some nice little dashes of humor. Well now 357 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,559 we turn to listener comments and feedback, and we start over on Facebook with 358 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:56,480 Matthew, who writes regarding Dragnett, I'm not a fan of the show unless 359 00:30:56,559 --> 00:31:00,480 the plot is murdered. When it's you know, burglar or a kid skipping 360 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:07,160 school, I turn this off. But I do find the investment swindles story 361 00:31:07,359 --> 00:31:11,079 sometimes they have is interesting. This one, the big kill, is really 362 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,359 good. Well, thank you so much. Appreciate the feedback, Matthew, 363 00:31:15,599 --> 00:31:21,079 And it just goes to show that different folks have different things they enjoy, 364 00:31:21,279 --> 00:31:25,000 even about some of these series. I like the murder ones well enough, 365 00:31:25,319 --> 00:31:30,559 but one thing I like about Dragnet is how they do have episodes that change 366 00:31:30,599 --> 00:31:36,000 it up a bit from murder. Probably one of my favorites is the big 367 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:41,319 betty. But of course there are plenty of murder cases in Dragnet for Matthew 368 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,440 and all those who prefer just murder cases to enjoy. Well. Now it 369 00:31:45,599 --> 00:31:49,880 is time for a ceremony of sorts, a retirement ceremony. You know how 370 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:56,559 they'll retire the numbers of players in sports, but I retire certain questions that 371 00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:05,240 I get asked a lot to are frequently asked questions at faq dot Great Detectives 372 00:32:05,359 --> 00:32:14,559 dot net, and some of those questions have been retired because they're not particularly 373 00:32:14,799 --> 00:32:20,240 pleasant to answer or not ask from a particularly good place, such as when 374 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:27,640 someone will show up on a YouTube video which is the five thousand or something 375 00:32:27,799 --> 00:32:32,599 episode we posted, in demand that I do a completely new format or spend 376 00:32:32,759 --> 00:32:38,759 thousands of hours changing how we do videos in order to cater to their particular 377 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:43,839 fancies. And then there are questions that get asked quite a bit, like 378 00:32:44,519 --> 00:32:49,480 where my accent came from, what our theme music is? And rather than 379 00:32:49,559 --> 00:32:54,000 take time on the air or send direct responses to everything, it just makes 380 00:32:54,039 --> 00:32:59,759 sense to have the FAQ. And the latest question we are going to retire 381 00:33:00,279 --> 00:33:06,200 is is that your real voice which has been cropping up a lot in recent 382 00:33:06,359 --> 00:33:12,119 months, and I have not honestly known what to make of people asking that 383 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,319 question. Is it some sort of joke or insult that I don't fully get? 384 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:20,920 And honestly, I feel like when people just ask that question, I 385 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,000 answer it and then they don't call back. I kind of feel like you 386 00:33:24,079 --> 00:33:30,880 know you do when you answer your doorbell and somebody after somebody rings it and 387 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:36,079 nobody's there. But with AI coming out, I'll give people the benefit of 388 00:33:36,119 --> 00:33:39,920 the doubt that hopefully it's not coming from any sort of negative place. And 389 00:33:40,119 --> 00:33:46,240 some are curious, is this an AI generated podcast because the voice sound is 390 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:52,880 kind of different. Well, I suppose that question is understandable, so that 391 00:33:53,119 --> 00:34:00,039 I have been recording old time radio podcast since the Bush administration, and as 392 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:07,839 far as I know, during the Bush administration, there was not AI voice 393 00:34:07,119 --> 00:34:15,400 generation technology available on the level that it is today during the Bush administration, 394 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:21,960 as far as I know, and hopefully that explanation doesn't inspire half a dozen 395 00:34:22,039 --> 00:34:27,920 conspiracy podcasts, The point is that it is indeed my voice, and it's 396 00:34:28,079 --> 00:34:34,280 not an intentional affectation. Now, it might sound a little bit different than 397 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,559 the normal speaking voice if we were sitting down having a conversation somewhere. But 398 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:45,480 I tend to think that's kind of normal. My father was an itinerant preacher, 399 00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:50,280 and we saw a lot of preachers, and you know, they would 400 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:54,840 have kind of their preaching presence voice, which could be very different, uh 401 00:34:55,039 --> 00:35:00,599 than the voice they would use when going to McDonald's after survice to order. 402 00:35:01,079 --> 00:35:05,199 I mean, if it were, it would be like a comedy sketch. 403 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:09,320 But still, you know, at the base it's it's still the same voice. 404 00:35:09,519 --> 00:35:14,000 And you know, that's pretty much what it's like with me. You 405 00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:17,159 know, I might, you know, very subconsciously, I don't, you 406 00:35:17,199 --> 00:35:22,480 know, come on here recording thinking I'm going to try to affect this type 407 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,360 of thing. It's just how I end up speaking in front of the microphone. 408 00:35:25,559 --> 00:35:30,239 So it is one hundred percent me and has been for sixteen years. 409 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:36,159 Thank you for asking the question. It will never be answered again other than 410 00:35:36,519 --> 00:35:38,880 it's. It's on the FAQ so you can read it, but I'm not 411 00:35:39,039 --> 00:35:44,760 going to vocal a and it or provide any original response. Well, now 412 00:35:45,039 --> 00:35:47,880 it's time to think our Patreon supporter of the day, and I want to 413 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:52,519 go ahead and think Lewis. Lewis has been one of our Patreon supporters since 414 00:35:52,679 --> 00:35:59,440 March of twenty eighteen, currently supporting the podcast at the Master Detective level of 415 00:35:59,559 --> 00:36:02,480 fifteen dollars or more per month. Thank you so much for your support, 416 00:36:02,599 --> 00:36:07,239 Lewis, and that will do it for today. If you're enjoying the podcast, 417 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:12,480 please follow us using your favorite podcast software and be sure to rate and 418 00:36:12,559 --> 00:36:16,079 review the podcast. And if you're enjoying the podcast on YouTube, be sure 419 00:36:16,119 --> 00:36:22,480 to lock the video, subscribe to the channel, and mastification bell all those 420 00:36:22,599 --> 00:36:27,639 great things that help YouTube channels to grow. We'll be back next Saturday with 421 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:32,320 another episode of Dragonet. Next Tuesday, we'll begin to feature squad Room and 422 00:36:32,639 --> 00:36:39,280 previously uncirculated episodes of that. But join us back here on Monday for the 423 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:44,599 adventures of the Falcon. Where I've always believed in an eye for an eye, 424 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:49,079 I hear tell the Falcon is the best private tick in New York. 425 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,400 You want me to deny it, No, I just want you to prove 426 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:57,719 it. Take a look at this picture. Not bad? Who wish she? 427 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,760 That's what I expect you to find out. The gal who got my 428 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:02,960 brother in this mess? What makes you so sure I found that picture in 429 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,440 his wallet? Doesn't prove anything. It does to me. All right, 430 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,440 Clayton, assuming this is the girl, and assuming I find her, what 431 00:37:10,559 --> 00:37:15,360 then what do you think? I think you intend to kill her? No? 432 00:37:15,639 --> 00:37:19,880 Where did you get that idea? Now? Look, Clayton, I 433 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,880 know how you must feel about your brother. Never mind the pretty speeches. 434 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:28,239 Will you find it for me? No? Okay, I guess there must 435 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,119 be other private detectives in New York. Look, if anything happens to this 436 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:35,239 girl, you yell, couple. Yes, I wouldn't do that, fellow, 437 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,719 because after I take care of her, I could drop back and take 438 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,960 care of you. I hope you'll be with us then in the meantime, 439 00:37:42,159 --> 00:37:47,480 send your comments to Box thirteen Great Detectives dot net, follow us on Twitter 440 00:37:47,599 --> 00:37:53,079 at Radio Detectives, and check us out on Instagram, Instagram, dot com 441 00:37:53,480 --> 00:38:00,480 slash Great Detectives from Boise, Idaho. This is your host, Adam Rams 442 00:38:00,519 --> 00:38:00,159 signing off.