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The original air date March sixteenth, nineteen fifty and the title is The
Big Boys. The story you are about to hear is true, only the
names have been changed to protect the innocent drag Nets. You're a detective sergeant.
You're assigned to Robbery Detail. Four young hoodlums wanted for a series of
robberies are headed for your city. They're armed, reckless, cold blooded.
Your job get them drag Nets the documented drama of an actual crime. While
the next thirty minutes, in cooperation with the Los Angeles Police Department, you
will travel step by step on the s of the law through an actual case,
from official police files, from beginning to end, from crime to punishment.
Dragnet is the story of your police force election. It was Friday,
December tenth and was cold in Los Angeles. We were working a day watch
out of robbery Detail. My partner's been Romero. The boss is that Brown
Chief Detectives. My name is Friday. Was seven fifty five am when I
got the room, twenty seven a robbery detail. Bring Hi, Joe,
Hi, Joe called out, isn't it rank? What are you doing here
this early? Can't you sleep? I'm waiting for something special. Liver letter
for my brother one up in Frisco with the police department. Yeah, only
up there. They don't like it when you call it Frisco. Yeah,
he's in robbery detail called him last night. All three kids said that tonsos
at the same day. Thought it'd be nice to call see how they were
all three at once? Yeah, Tomson's nothing these days? How they make
a good home already? What's the letter got to do with it? Oh?
Well, my brother told me he was sending down some dope on four
pretty rough characters. Bigs are headed our way, sending mugshots too, for
you and your brother running a detective agency on the side. M it's a
little irregular. The official correspondence will come a little later. What do you
know about the guys almost killed him? Man? I didn't get any details.
It's all in the letter. Ought to be here and the Minute mailed
it at noon yesterday. How come you moved on here with your family?
Franklin's like it up, noire, like la better more elbow room here.
You live in a house and a lot, not just an apartment. I
get it. Robbery Fridy Wilson Tony shops at Joe No, I think so.
Holder William Tony here. Huh, I didn't see you behind that paper
for me. Yeah, he's here. If he's not Bessy asking him to
come, especially a couple of Mexican girls. You can't speak English. I
guess we can spare them for a while. I'll tell him what's up.
Well, that's Wilson and Auto Detail. He'd like you to go over an
next interpreter for a couple of mixing girls. Are they pretty? You're not
going? I'm done there to marry him. I'll bet you wallam at parties,
nothing much doing slow date. They don't come often enough for me.
They did, we'd be out of a job. It was one of those
rare slow days. He killed a couple of hours going over the daily reports,
cleaned out the top drawer of my desk, shot in a few pencils.
At ten fifteen am, the special delivery letter came for Frank. He
slit the top of them with his pocket knife and shook out four mug shots.
Here it is following four men wanted for robberies, auto thefts and safe
burglary's in San Francisco Bay area. Cliff Small nineteen, George Shum twenty,
both escaped from Preston Julius Carver eighteen, Fred Malick twenty, both army deserters.
I'm gonna checks out with that ap be from his self last week?
What are the records of done? Small shoting army captain during an argument at
a bar and then two capers. These men shout it out with us and
escaped. Information shows all four left four. All the signs are several days
ago, driving stolen car, blue Chevrolet, probably using cold plates. Let
me see those lug shots here. I know we know who we're looking for,
brother tell us. Where just a couple of nice girls that got mixed
up with the wrong guys. Take a look at these pictures. Oh,
the monks from San Francisco. Yeah, says they're in a stolen car,
cold plates. That's how these girls were picked up. Hot car, bro
They went for a ride with a couple of guys they met at a movie.
When the car ran out of gas, the boys dug the girls got
picked up. They have a lead on a guy. No, not a
thing. The young guys around twenty. You think these might be the ones
from Frisco. Let's talk to girls. Come on, Frank, you want
to cover the office. Oh yeah, sure they speak English at all,
not enough to make sense. That's dolorous. And this one is Marie s
and patas the robbery details, they say, And I said I was status.
He says, they didn't do anything. I suppose they told you all
I know already. And they're not much help. They said they don't know
anything about the fellows they were with showing me he's ask him if they've ever
seen him before, says asked us individual mm see his sister. These are
the guys that took him out last, I ask him. Karen the sick,
asked Dough who lost as soon Carver and Melik the Army deserves ask him
to describe him with you call myslims and team Poe. That was cooln we
ruffle, you have love. And then she says, they sat in the
car all the time. It was dark, but they looked very handsome and
they talked nice. Where did the fellows pick them up? They told me
in front of the Jubilee Theater, Second and Broadway. Yeah, and then
what the girls couldn't understand English, but they understood when the boys motioned them
to hop in, And I said, thought Maria crele A barl of Pistol
and like Lemingo, she says, no. Marie thought she recognized them from
church Sunday, but she was mistaken. There must have been some day the
boys couldn't talk Spanish and the girls couldn't talk. What'd they go on this
ride, Tony. They don't know the streets. They just know they got
to the beach and then they turned around. We're about halfway back on the
car and hat of gas and that's again she didn't get Marie here to talk
in my ear, can't come in to tomorrow and parier I'll apply, you
must say I Maria premo paramos esperamos the interest with perlotr and squat she doesn't
know, but she remembers they stopped in their little hotel. The girls wait
while the boys took a little puppy out of their car and put it in
the room, a puppy. If they don't know where the hotel was,
maybe they can tell us what it was near Okays And like Tina be a
nice tassi on the Gasolina and she says, there was a gas station on
the corner. What else can I tell? Lal de los real Patia,
she says, across the car tracks. There were two or three big garagi.
Could be in the Worst Lake district. That's the garage and second Way
hotels on there released first maybe Grand Avenue, Pico, Pico, Pico,
Alenia Pico. We took the girls with us and drove out to Grand and
Pico, and then up and down Pico's slow until the girls pointed out a
hotel just south of Flower. They weren't sure. Ben and I got out.
They walked up to the hotel desk. The clerk was just starting to
vacuum. We're looking for Julius Carving Fred Malick. Are they staying here?
What's the names? Head? Hey, over the vacuum, Julius Carver and
Fred Mallick. No, not here, police officers. We take a look
at these pictures. Oh, could have been two of the boys had checked
out this morning, but they didn't look as tough as this. How many
weather or here are two more pictures. You have a look. Please could
be about the right aid? How long did they stays? Two nights?
Said to have a puff with him? I said to have a puff with
him, puppy dog. Yes they did, yes, sir, little collie
puff. Did they pay up. No, they skipped out, owing me
two days. We see how they registered plays shut off This dang vacuum.
Person can hardly hear himself. Think over that dragon. Now, I want
to see the register. We use cards here. Let me see here they
are Bob Reynolds, Jack Sharp, Jim Smith, and William Grant. That's
Vegas, Nevada. I have to pick those names out of the hat.
They say where they were going? No, no forwarding address. Did they
write these cards out themselves? But they did. That's the law. You
matter. If we borrow them for a while, we'll have them photostat and
return to you. We're supposed to keep. You'll get them back. I
like to do everything legal. Those boys in some kind of trouble. They
leave anything in their room. They did, it's all in the vacuum.
We having to come back. Give us a ring, will you. Here's
our card robbery details, so they rob I took you for two days,
rent. It was two pm when Tony Chavis picked us up. He had
Frank O'Donnell with him. We stopped at a dairy lunch and I called the
office and we split up into two teams. While Tony and Frank checked parking
lots in the neighborhood for stolen cars. Ben and I ran down the other
hotels. In the next three hours. We talked to a dozen desk clerks
and roaming house managers, always the same answer no. Five thirty pm,
we tried the Achilles Hotel on Grand Avenue. We walked into an overheated lobby
crowded with modern furniture. There were a couple of canary cages in front of
the faded wall tapestries. The desk clerk was a woman in the early forties.
Good afternoon, man, Please offer police us water water? Would you
be what these policemen want? We'll just take a minute. We'd like to
know if you recognize these pictures here. No, that's no. We only
take in on his hard working man. Sure, anybody laying around the rooms
all day? It keeps me from cleaning up. If your roomor's got a
Collie pup, a dog, I'd die before I'd live a dog in this
house. And if these fellows were the dogs, try to rent a room,
would you please for us? Here's your memory, Lily, get them
back in there, honey, work nice, more go on there. Nelli's
on the nest now, yes, ma'am, we'd appreciate you watching for these
men. If your own protection too, No, I'll let you know.
Thank you, ma'am. Let's go back. Well, say before you go,
would you, gentlemen, do me a favor seeing and tell you're a
policeman. Yes, ma'am. Mister marrin Ally up in room fourteen is a
week behind this rent. Would you do me a favor and go out and
talk to him. I'm sorry, lady, we can't handle it. That's
a civil matter. I'd advise you to go to room two six over out
the city Hall, see the city attorneys. They'll help you, Walter what
I tell you, they won't do it. That's the way it winds.
It was dark out now I'm getting cold again. We walked back to Pico
and FLOWERD to pick up Frank and Tony. Tony was there waiting for us.
Hike. Come on up to the next corner. Frank's up there.
We've got a hot car stacked up, you know, just half a block
from the hotel where the guys checked out. You had any luck? No,
do you find anything in the car. He's still in it. Nothing
else I could have stolen the last night after they left the girls. Huh,
I called in and checked. He was taken in front of eleven ninety
food though any drive between two and four this morning. We got out a
cart for it. That's about six flocks from where they ditched the car with
the girls in it, and they were out of gas. It's all down
the hill. It would have been a natural way for him to go,
would be the right car. Better keep a stake on. Yeah, Oh
hi, Frank, all right, you do any good? No, rank?
If you and Tony want to go eat and then and I'll cover the
car when you get back, we'll go for chop. Good dude, swell
fly. Well, let's sit in the car. Huh yeah, go ahead
and get the radio on a cigarette? No, what'd you think? I
don't know. It's the same guys. Maybe not in the same neighborhood.
A couple of things might tie in. Yeah, you can't be sure.
They're really making a headwak about. All we know is they're in town.
Yeah. It's a good sized town right now. It's the biggest in the
world. Seven pm. We knew the four gunmen were in town. We
knew they'd been seen. We figured there was no reason for him to skip
town until they pulled a job or heard that we were looking for them.
Time was in their favor. Time to rob, time to kill, time
to get away. The check on the hotels continued. We left Frank O'Donnell
and Tony Chavis on the stakeout, and Ben and I picked up the hotel
routine. One place after another. Eight thirty pm, we walked down a
long, narrow lobby to a little ball headed man at the desk and was
wearing glasses and reading a magazine called Astrology. When we walked in, he
tried to hide the bottle. Police officer, would you take a look at
these pictures? Please? What for se if you're can identify them? No,
no, they don't look familiar to me. They may be carrying Collie
pup. CALLI pop. Let me see those pictures again. Do you look
familiar? Now? They had a pup with them? All right, yes,
I think so. I study faces, Yes, the same. Now
they here, I don't know. I mean they're out for the evening.
I don't know. Are they registered here? Yes? They are? What
room are they expecting you? Oh, listen, this is important. Just
answer the questions. What did they do. What's their room number, second
floor, room twenty two. If you have a key just a second,
Yeah, thank you, Come on man, cover me, yeah, twenty
two. Give me the key. I watch it. Oh maybe we're home.
Clothes, shoes, all our stuffs here, they'll be back. You
are listening to Dragnet for the step by step solution to an actual police case.
In the files of the Los Angeles Police Department. There are countless case
histories that never got space in the daily newspapers. The case of Cliff Small,
George Shum, Julius Carver, and Fred Malick was one of these four
young hoodlums wanted for a series of robberies and petty burglaries. These men were
armed, and they'd shown that they wouldn't hesitate to shoot. By comparison with
the sensational crime headline, the news value of this story rated an inch of
type on the fourth page of the second section. Yet the line separating these
four young thieves from banner headlines and back paid space is much thinner than the
average citizen realizes. The danger in a criminal case isn't always determined by the
space allotted to it in the newspapers. Many a peace officer's name has appeared
in the obituary column of the same newspaper that allotted one inch of back paid
space to the crime story that was considered unimportant. I phoned the office and
asked for two men to cover the stolen car. As soon as the replacements
arrived, Frank O'Donnell and Tony Chatters left the stake out on the stolen car
and joined us at the hotel. Was eight fifty five pm. So what
do they do back any idea? No, shir I told these what the
officers I did tell you tonight. Yeah, you said they were out for
the that shit. I know I told you something. Was it? You
too? Who was it due to? Was this fella? And I?
Oh yeah, I don't remember things I say so good, but I know
faces things. Are you the manager here? Oh no, this place belongs
to Claude Claude who Tinny. Then you're in charge now only when Claude's not
around. This is one of his places where we're gonna stake out Joe enough
room to turn around this lobby. That's what I've been telling Claude Claude Tinney.
This is one of his places. Yeah, maybe you better leave that
bottle alone? Where we get this straightened out? Oh no, I don't
hit it heavy anymore. Just a little nip now again, drafty in here?
Any idea where we can wait for these fellas and keep an eye on
the lobby. No, not enough room in this lobby to turn around.
And I've said that to Claude. Yeah we know, Hey Clark, where
does this door lay to? No, don't go in there. They're lighting
here. I save old bottles. Ragman gives me a penny each for them.
Is that a storage room? What's that that room over there? Oh,
that's the linen room. We keep all the linen there. That's about
the only place. Who is Joe? If we want to wait out in
the car? All right, we're waiting there. A couple of chairs in
there. I'll send the boys back when they come in. Be better.
If you tell them nothing, how are they going to know you're here?
Will tell them you just don't say anything, all right, sir? Now
then I can just have your names. I'll see that the boys get the
message. I look, mister, you just sit there and read your magazine.
Don't say anything. You got that, Okay, that's the way you
want it. Come on. Let's go set smell in here, please,
strong? What time? Can't see? Frank, you've got a luminous watch
night they've been macleans. You give me an eight o'clock profession right, This
smells giving me a headache? Here. He's a bad in here. Yeah?
Is there anything I can get you? Gentlemen? No, you just
stay at the desk. Will you please? Say? Claude tin Ney's his
name? He's the manager. Remember you asked me about that? Yeah,
yeah, we know. What do you want him for? Look, you're
gonna have to stay away from this door. We don't want him to know
where here. Okay, that's the way you want it. I could use
a cigarette. Yeah, all we need in here now? Smoke? What
time is it? Frank? Oh never mind, let's said there's two of
them. Then you come with me, Frank, Tony stay here right all
right? We're checking out tomorrow's Carver and Melick. Let's go, Ben,
I get your hands up. Hey, what's going on? Is Dan still?
Okay? Let's a big risk. There's a three eighty automatical Carver thirty
eight caliber recover and then hip pocket another thirty eight on the maleex hold,
I said, but that's your hand. Let me have you a cuff.
Jo Here you go. Were your pals? What pals? Cliff Small and
George Shum We know you're running with him. You know that, you know
where they are? How old are you? Eighteen? What's your name?
Fred Malick? Twenty? Tony? Yeah, you and Frank want to take
him downtown? Right, we'll see you down there. Let's go, Frank,
say you got him. Huh two, We're gonna wait for the other
two. Now you just play it straight and stay away from that linen room.
How long you're gonna be in there? Chamber mate starts making up the
beds around seven am. You'll have to beginning out that linen in there.
It's only ten thirty lots of time. We changed the sheets three times a
week in this hotel. I'm not where in the world. Let's get back
in there. I don't know what that smell is in here? L I
saw, Yeah, I forgot about that pup. That would be the tip.
I'll go get him. Come on, little Collo, here we go.
Come on, boy, he's hungry. Joe. Yeah, but I'll
put him down on the floor. Don't step on him. Yeah, what
do you want Are you gonna wait for the other two boys? Yeah,
when you get away from the door, say I want to help you all
I can. Yeah. Yeah, that fuzzy little pup of theirs, he's
running all around the lob. Yeah, we've got him in here. Yeah,
you better go out there and get him. He's barking. It'll tip
him off. Yeah, all right, now going back the death All right,
then you stay in here, I'll see a bit and catch him.
He comes around here again, you'll have to wait in here. You'll see
your watch. Yeah, must be around eleven, must be said clerk again.
Yeah, say listen, I've been all over the lobby. You fellas
are in the clear. What do you mean that dog of theirs, he's
gone. You're in the clear. Look, he's in here with us.
Now when you stay away from here, please, Yeah, it's okay.
The dog's gone. Hey, Pop came in the keep room twenty two,
Yes, sir, that's their room. Come on. Yeah, cut your
hands up, watching, Joe, I'm at you. Hold your head.
You didn't have to slap me. You didn't have to pull that gun right
over here, stand still thirty eight revolver on this one. Here it is
forty five cold, what's your names? And Cliff Small he's George Shump.
How old are you? Nineteen cops? We weren't, you'd be in a
lot more trouble than you are. And so then yeah, now let's feed
that pup. Twelve fifteen am. We took the prisoners down to the City
Hall of the interrogation room. Tony Chavis and Frank O'Donnell were there with the
other two Carver and Malick, while Ben helped question the suspects and made out
the necessary reports. I went across the street to the Federal Cafe. I
picked up two ten cent bottles of milk and a few slices of bread.
Look at him go, he was hungry. Yeah, how'd you come out?
And I got it all here. Let's see four stolen cars, eight
known robberies, and San Francisco they copped out too. Great jobs in Portland,
they admitted. You remember that bakers Field liquor store hold up about four
weeks ago for watching John. Yeah, probably a lot more. I haven't
told us all of it. Jen got out of app You'll probably get a
lot more wants on them. That's it. None of them read them more
enough to vote yet. But they've committed practically every crime in the book.
Just one thing more left to work out. What do we do with the
pump? How about s PC eight that final home point? No, not
this little guy. Why don't you take him? Tony, you got kids,
You got a deal. He might have had a colle it pedal at
a periple. It's translation, your mother was a culley, but from now
on you're a police dog. The story you have just heard was true,
only the names were changed to protect the On February ninth, trial was held
in Superior Court, Department eighty eighth, City and County of Los Angeles,
State of California. In a moment the results of that trial, Clifford Small,
George Shum, Julius Carver, and Fred Mallick were released to San Francisco
authorities, where they were tried and convicted on eight counts of robbery in the
first degree. A hold was placed on them by the State of Oregon.
They are now serving their terms in the state penitentiary. You have just heard
Dragnet a series of authentic cases from official files. Technical advice for Dragnet comes
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Halls of Ivy on NBC, welcome back. A different episode that's practically a
day in the life of a working detective, complete with drunk clerks and landladies
who expect you to harass delinquent tenants for them. I also had to chuckole
Ben objecting to the notion of smoking in that closet. Yeah, a cigarette
company might be sponsoring the show, but come on, man. And while
it's not hilarious, I do actually find the TV version of the story to
be pretty darn amusing, with the role of the clerk really ammed up.
In terms of the comedy value. It's the type of story that if you
want like one of the lighter Dragnet episodes, even if you prefer the lighter
episodes from the nineteen sixties, this one is perfect when you're in the mood
for it. But Fay's monologue about the difference between front page crime and that
which goes far into the back pages is worthy of consideration. Police doing their
jobs on sort of simple, barely worth noting. Cases like this prevent the
sort of headline making crimes that really include a lot of tragedy, and when
you're dealing with young armed men who have already shot people, it really was
just a matter of time until it became something far more serious and dark.
But as this is, it's a surprisingly entertaining episode for as little incident as
there is, and again with some nice little dashes of humor. Well now
we turn to listener comments and feedback, and we start over on Facebook with
Matthew, who writes regarding Dragnett, I'm not a fan of the show unless
the plot is murdered. When it's you know, burglar or a kid skipping
school, I turn this off. But I do find the investment swindles story
sometimes they have is interesting. This one, the big kill, is really
good. Well, thank you so much. Appreciate the feedback, Matthew,
And it just goes to show that different folks have different things they enjoy,
even about some of these series. I like the murder ones well enough,
but one thing I like about Dragnet is how they do have episodes that change
it up a bit from murder. Probably one of my favorites is the big
betty. But of course there are plenty of murder cases in Dragnet for Matthew
and all those who prefer just murder cases to enjoy. Well. Now it
is time for a ceremony of sorts, a retirement ceremony. You know how
they'll retire the numbers of players in sports, but I retire certain questions that
I get asked a lot to are frequently asked questions at faq dot Great Detectives
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fancies. And then there are questions that get asked quite a bit, like
where my accent came from, what our theme music is? And rather than
take time on the air or send direct responses to everything, it just makes
sense to have the FAQ. And the latest question we are going to retire
is is that your real voice which has been cropping up a lot in recent
months, and I have not honestly known what to make of people asking that
question. Is it some sort of joke or insult that I don't fully get?
And honestly, I feel like when people just ask that question, I
answer it and then they don't call back. I kind of feel like you
know you do when you answer your doorbell and somebody after somebody rings it and
nobody's there. But with AI coming out, I'll give people the benefit of
the doubt that hopefully it's not coming from any sort of negative place. And
some are curious, is this an AI generated podcast because the voice sound is
kind of different. Well, I suppose that question is understandable, so that
I have been recording old time radio podcast since the Bush administration, and as
far as I know, during the Bush administration, there was not AI voice
generation technology available on the level that it is today during the Bush administration,
as far as I know, and hopefully that explanation doesn't inspire half a dozen
conspiracy podcasts, The point is that it is indeed my voice, and it's
not an intentional affectation. Now, it might sound a little bit different than
the normal speaking voice if we were sitting down having a conversation somewhere. But
I tend to think that's kind of normal. My father was an itinerant preacher,
and we saw a lot of preachers, and you know, they would
have kind of their preaching presence voice, which could be very different, uh
than the voice they would use when going to McDonald's after survice to order.
I mean, if it were, it would be like a comedy sketch.
But still, you know, at the base it's it's still the same voice.
And you know, that's pretty much what it's like with me. You
know, I might, you know, very subconsciously, I don't, you
know, come on here recording thinking I'm going to try to affect this type
of thing. It's just how I end up speaking in front of the microphone.
So it is one hundred percent me and has been for sixteen years.
Thank you for asking the question. It will never be answered again other than
it's. It's on the FAQ so you can read it, but I'm not
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adventures of the Falcon. Where I've always believed in an eye for an eye,
I hear tell the Falcon is the best private tick in New York.
You want me to deny it, No, I just want you to prove
it. Take a look at this picture. Not bad? Who wish she?
That's what I expect you to find out. The gal who got my
brother in this mess? What makes you so sure I found that picture in
his wallet? Doesn't prove anything. It does to me. All right,
Clayton, assuming this is the girl, and assuming I find her, what
then what do you think? I think you intend to kill her? No?
Where did you get that idea? Now? Look, Clayton, I
know how you must feel about your brother. Never mind the pretty speeches.
Will you find it for me? No? Okay, I guess there must
be other private detectives in New York. Look, if anything happens to this
girl, you yell, couple. Yes, I wouldn't do that, fellow,
because after I take care of her, I could drop back and take
care of you. I hope you'll be with us then in the meantime,
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