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so this episode was called this is episode ten, then yes, and
called it was a good jay. It starts off with everybody back in the
house, and my notes on this are a lot of nothing happens. There's
no one confronts Laurel about her her chicken shit bullshit in the last episode,
Karra, so she's really excited to be back. We get a shot of
an extended shot of Leroy empty emptying a freezer full of breast milk. So
I guess they were freezing all of it to go. Yeah, harken back
to our original our first few episodes in the season ship that back home?
Yeah? Yeah, is this where Laurel was sort of awkwardly defending her position
though in confessionals, Yes, when she was making out with Nicole in the
kitchen or in the laundering room. Yeah, barf making up with the coal
in the in the launder room, saying that she only wants to go into
elimination if it's physical and against Kara. Yeah, it's the only way she
wants to go into elimination. Okay. And there's been no physical eliminations in
this season, and there will be because that's what they have made it very,
very very clear that anyone can win these eliminations, which I appreciate but
I also don't. I like a head banger, but I don't like it
rubs me the wrong way that that's what Laurel like. That's all she's got.
Yeah, that's all she wants. She wants to go against Kara in
a in a head banger, and that's it. And it's because she's much
bigger and stronger. That's the thing I don't think she actually is. She
used to be much bigger and stronger, but Cara has spent her entire off
time doing nothing but CrossFit and getting working out, whereas Laurel has been in
school and working as a vet or a vet tech or whatever the hell.
She is. Like, she's big, and yeah, I'm sure she's strong,
and she does have a few inches on Kara, but I truly don't
think that Laurel is just a given win in a physical competition against her,
because Cara is a fucking beast. She always has been, not always,
she has been for the last however many seasons. But yeah, yeah,
no, I I totally agree. I think Sorry, no, I was
gonna say Lurel is just the worst this season. This is just the worst
version of Laurel that this is gonna sound ridiculous, But Laurel is resting on
her Laurels and thinking that like, oh yeah, this is gonna be a
big deal. I can go to a physical competition against someone who I have
beat and a competition, but she has beat in a physical competition, like
someone who had a broken arm in one of them. Yeah, and the
other she barely won. Like yeah, no, I agree. I've lost
a lot of love for Laurel. I really think this, and like World
of the World's too, it's I think I feel Aboutlaurel the way you feel
about Durell, where it's like maybe you should just stop, like maybe we
don't need to see him, Like I still like Drell. Derell is still
a good human being. He's still like he's still fun to see because he's
like I still like seeing him on the All Star seasons. I don't want
to see him in the regular one, but I still like to see him
on the All Star seasons. Laurel, I just don't want to see it
all. She's such a fucking asshole. I want to see Laurel just because
I agree, like as a person, she's not great, but like even
if all she has headbangers, I still feel most casts that she's on,
I'm gonna look at her and be like, oh, she's like top three
strongest women on this cast. Yeah. Probably, but if she never does
anything with it, who cares like she she totally chickened out on you know,
last episode, so good. She doesn't done eliminations. I mean she's
won like what three or so daily John Design. She definitely is using her
strengths. She is winning stuff, just not eliminations. Yeah, I mean
she's winning things like the weird game that they have today, but it's it's
still like the whole reason we want to see her is to see her like
win eliminations as well, and especially in a game where you have to win
an elimination in order to be able to get one of these stars like moral,
why are you being such a chicken shit and not going in there like
you could easily beat most of the women in this house. Yep. Also,
the scene with her Nicole was really uncomfortable. I don't need to see
stuff like that, no, but I will say it was really interesting.
That was the first time anyway that I saw Laurel seems sort of like vulnerable
and sort of like she was very like, oh, I like being able
to kiss you, and I like being here for this. It's like baby
baby talk sort of ship. Yeah, and Nicole was kind of me too.
Yeah. Seeing Laura like that was a little like, wow, we're
seeing her like that. So yeah, Nicole's got some sort of spell over
her or something there. Nicole's got the golden pussy speaks from knowledge I am
her only boyfriend. There you go, there you go. Yeah. I
hated that scene, you know, just because it really showed just how how
much of a fuck boy Nicole is and how fucking pussy whipped. Uh.
Laura is like, you know, that's fine because I, uh, it
might've been someone in here, might have been one of you guys. But
like, I was talking to someone the other week about my Nicole jersey from
the volleyball thing that Tim and I went to and where Nicole sign is like
to my first and only boyfriend, Zach, I'm talking said about and they're
like, do you think she signs that to all the guys? And I
was like, I said that, why did you even put that on my
head? Yes? It's like, yeah, she absolutely puts that on everybody's
thing. Zach. Just who cares, don't let Carlin bum your head.
Then, I mean, I get where Laurel's coming from, because apparently I
felt for Nichole's riz as well. I thought I was actually super surprised that
you didn't immediately think that, like that's the I don't know, I just
when I when I think of like what people sign on autographs, that sort
of thing, like they have their go to phrases like best wishes or uh
to my biggest fan, or you know, kill it in the chat.
Yeah nice chance and nice chits let's go. Maybe yeah, maybe it's just
because we had other guys on our volleyball team and she didn't put on any
of theirs, So it did even cross my mind, like, oh,
like may she put on other people's like at different events. Yeah, you
gotta get over that one, sorry, buddy. I don't know if I
should be distraught or like honored that. I mean a cold number. Please
don't take this as me being an asshole, but it is probably because you
were the least threatening person on that team. Is that an asshole thing?
That's a good thing, right, woman? Like that? I mean,
I I don't think it's an issue, but like men there, men are
weird and take shit like that personally, and so yeah, being non threatening,
Yeah, being told that they're non threatening. Yeah, I don't know.
I mean I might have been. But also, the two other guys
on my vall ball team were both very openly gay, So you think it
would be safer than I would be. Maybe? Yeah, probably a reason
that's almostly probably the reason why she didn't put that on theirs because she knows
that they're gay and they're never going to be her boyfriend anyway. Like Colls
just over here trying to like kill my dreams. I know, I'm just
like you, keep you keep opening it up to more things, like stop
talking and I will stop saying things. Back you up, I beg you
up, buddy. I bet you one day she's going to be a challenge
Mania and she I'll sneak off and we'll have our like kitchen moment like she
and Laurel did. Gross, Yes, please and record it. I'd like
to see that on the show and want Carlin to see it and realize how
wrong she was during this discussion. No, Nicole is a vindictive fuck boy.
Gross, don't. I don't wish that on anybody. She looks like
Andy Dick. She does she does? All right, what would happened next?
She sounds like Andy Dick talking with me about her marbles in his mouth?
Right. Well, yeah, so I did not expect that to be
a full blown conversation because, like I said, I wrote down a lot
of nothing happens because it was literally a lot of zat. You gotta tone
it down over them, Yeah, I mean, We've got Jay talking about
how he really wants a star, which is a common theme for everybody this
episode. Which is common theme for everybody this season. Carus says that she's
really surprised the world didn't go in. We've got Ryan saying that he wants
to go against Jay to get a star. An interesting thing, yeah,
because he starts the episode off saying that he wants to go in against Jay
to get a star because he and Jay are evenly matched and he thinks that
they like that he would have a fighting chance against them. Okay, cool,
did you write down Carlin, let's they call themselves? No, that's
not until later. Oh, yes, but not until later note yes,
uh oh. This is when Adam says that he and Steve are super close.
He also mentions that Steve is married for twenty two years. Yeah,
this was a shocker to me too. I don't know if Steve has been
married for twenty two years or if he's just he's been friends with him for
twenty two years. And the way that thing was said was very convoluted,
But that's something that kind of comes into play later on. It just is
I found it very strange, like you're saying that he's a great husband and
great friend and they've met each other for that long and all that sort of
thing. I just didn't realize that he and Steve were friends. Yeah,
And I realized as Adam was sort of talking about Steve and all this stuff,
that's like, I know nothing about him, Like, I don't know
if he has a wife or kids. Are creepy? Is he creepy?
We had a distinction about in the discord too. I think he's I think
Steve creepy. I think Steve is creepy because there were multiple things that he
did in this episode that I thought were creepy. But I think Steve's amazing.
He's crawling up my piring. He was towards I can see how his
weird quirkiness would be endearing, but coming across the TV screen. To me,
there is something that gives me the ick for Steve Yes interesting and has
made since the first day he set foot on this challenge. On the Challenge,
like back a few seasons ago in the Discord, I think Steve is
is a little weird, and I think I think I'd be sort of uncomfortable
talking to him. He just seems like he's got one of those like sort
of uncomfortable vibe kind of things going on with him. That's what I made.
It gives me the ick. But I think he seems harmless. He
seems like, I don't know, he just seems harmless. He just seems
like a goofball, like fun guy who's a little weird. Adam seems just
awful. Adam seems just just horrible. I mean see, that's the thing,
Like I didn't think Adam seemed horrible at all until like the last two
episodes. I'm a much better character than I feel like. I feel like
I've been the most outslooking Adam defunder this whole season, and my opinion him
completely changed at the last like two months. Redemption Redemption. This episode,
we're a big, big we get them talking, oh yeah, and then
we've got Derek and Ryan talking about how they want to get stars, and
then Derek talks about how he wants to build a house in Arizona and do
the Golden Girls thing with Ryan. Two old biddies living in a house together.
Do we think they're secretly dating? No? No, they don't give
off the vibes for dating. Okay, I just think about it, because
they just got added to Challenge Man in Atlanta like a couple of days ago,
which you no, I'll be going to this weekend. We I thought
about it. I've never seen them got to Challenge Mania separate. Like every
time they've gone to Tallesmaane, I've been, they've been there together. I
mean, they could just be two old biddies who were good friends. They
met Derek without without Ryan. Did you in Nashville? Was in at Naturville?
Okay at least one. No, But they seem like really good friends
or maybe they're dating whatever. I don't think either of them are the type
to want to twink. They both seem like they want a big old bear,
but that could just be me reading the situation. Mhm, he is
out of jail now. No, No, let's not get in another bear.
Discussion. Please want to be on this podcast again. Well, we
are onto the challenge. Oh yeah, dispacine. They need it. So
the challenge is called roll with It. It's everybody's individual today. Everybody starts
off on one end of this uh parking lot with a bunch of poles in
it standing in shopping carts. Uh. And they all have their own lasso
and they have to lasso the polls in front of them and pull themselves along
to get to the other end of the parking lot and first to first man
and woman to get over there are the winners. Uh. The last six
players are the losing group. So we get a great quote from a saying
he does redneck ship like this all the time his whole life. So this
will be cake I'm finally worried about. Yeah. Ace definitely came out with
his quirkiness. He also came out with his like having an existential crisis this
this week. He drives me crazy towards the end of the episode. But
he's got some good He's got some good funny moment he was He was funny
in this. I like him whenever he doesn't have to vote people in.
Yes, that was painful. That was hard. It was. It was
super painful. Yeah, so we've got no one's really doing very well at
lasting things. Ace does has a pretty good lead to begin with. Uh,
And then Jay figures out a strategy because he realizes that TJ doesn't say
that you have you have to last, so every single one of them,
TJ says that you have to last. So the first one, or you,
like the lasso is there, you need to use it, but you
are also allowed to grab the pillars and push yourself along to help yourself.
So Jay lasso is the first one. He gets to the first one,
and then he just uses his big old guns as he points at them in
his confessional and pushes him from one to the next. And he flies through
this as soon as he finally gets to that point, like he flies past
Ace. He gets to the end and wins like minutes before anybody else.
It looked like Ace was close, but then he went backward. You know.
It looked like Ace was ten seconds behind him, and then all of
a sudden, yeah back at the beginning, three or four spots back.
Yeah, yep, I love this. I think this is fair game in
the challenge man, Like whatever said if the rules, don't say you can't
do it. You can do it, and good for you Jay, he
fucking rocked it. YEP, I am right there with you. I think
if it unless it is explicitly said that you can't do it, then yeah,
fair game, fair game with that take I do. I I love
seeing Jay do this because it was just like fun to seem what someone kind
of break the challenge. Yeah, I And this is where I'm gonna we
all kind of sound hypocritical and that. I like when they quote unquote break
the challenge for things like this. I hate when they break the challenge in
like the voting and all that sort of thing, like what Cam did whatever
two episodes ago or whatever. Yeah. Yeah, like as long as it's
not a I don't know, everybody ganging up on people or yeah, those
sides of things I fucking hate because it just makes it so got down boring.
This, on the other hand, made it more fun. Yeah,
it removes the competition element. Like the Cam game was not nobody was really
competing. It was all going against just this one person. Yeah, where's
this one? Was at least a competition. It was Jay looking out for
himself. He found a way to game. It go for it, man,
Yeah, I have no problem with that. Oh my god, I
just scrolled through the I realized that I hadn't been paying attention to the chat
room, and I have. Ryan says that he thinks that Nicole has the
Golden tongue, but either way or both from King Right says later on,
just a big fat tongue. That's yep, that's why she talks that way.
Huge tongue. Yeah, Nicole just tack him with a mouthful of marbles.
Oh so Jay wins. Nothing else matters, right, except the women
don't finish it. Flora, I mean, neither does Leeroy. So Flora,
Veronica, and Avery barely get off the starting line. Leroy doesn't finish,
so the it ultimately ends up being Laurel and Jay win the challenge.
The middle group is Ace, Derek, Adam, Nicole and Kara, and
then the bottom the three guys that don't finish are Steve, Lee, Royan
Ryan or no, yeah, Steve Lee, Royan Ryan. And then it
doesn't matter for the girls. But there was a little bit of like a
Steve and Adam thing where they were neck and neck at the very end,
but Adam just crossed the finish line first, and they both said like it
could be a good thing for them to be in the bottom, which I
didn't really understand. It didn't make a whole lot of sense to me,
because like, if you're in the bottom, you have the potential of being
up for elimination, you have the potential of your star being stolen. And
yeah, if you're in the middle, you have the potential of your star
being stolen, but you get to vote who goes into the elimination like that,
it doesn't make sense to me that you would want to be in the
bottom group. Yeah, and doesn't it. I mean, you've got the
you've got the words, there are the names. Anyway, was there more
men in the middle group than women? Because three men? Three men,
two women, because just because the three women didn't finished, like whoever was
the other one to finish? There were three men and three women in the
bottom. There were three men and two women in the middle, and then
one and one for the winners. We've got one more guy than we do
girls. Okay, that makes more sense. Yeah, okay. I saw
Adam was on his own and I was like, why are there fewer women?
Is it like where the women penalized for not finishing or okay, that
makes sense. Yeah, this is We get the first cut of Jay saying
he is because he won, he is absolutely going to take the place of
one of the two people who gets voted in. Yep, and smart,
that's what he should do. This is the time to do it. This
is the best elimination to get into. Oh yes, absolutely, and he
says it from the very beginning, which I mean, I honestly, I
think if you had won this eliminate or this challenge, you should absolutely be
saying that. You should absolutely be saying, yes, I'm going in because
yeah, it is the best time to do this. Yep. And I
think everybody knows that this is the last elimination. Everybody's kind of even talking
about and assuming that, and yeah, nobody can take it again after this,
So this is the time to get your star. Yep. And here
we get Ryan's pretty convinced that he's going to be going in because, I
mean, as we talked about a little while ago, he said that it
would probably be him versus Jay, like he wants to go up against j
J probably wants to go against him. We'll get into that in a second,
because they're relatively the same size and same skill set and all that sort
of thing. And then we get a cut of Steve thinking that he's completely
safe and that Adam and Ryan are absolutely going to be voted in m or
sorry not Adam and Ryan, that Lee Roy and Ryan are absolutely going to
be voted in, and it's like he's just kind of like, yeah,
I'm safe, I'm sitting pretty, We're we're all good. And then TJ
does something that I have never seen TJ do before. Yeah, what was
this? TJ gives medals with his face on them to the two winners.
What was this? What was this whole fuck? It was? It was
super bizarre, Like, this is not the first competition they've done in this
season. Why are you all of a sudden giving them medals and wreaths and
champagne and on these weird like Olympic stacks or something, Yeah, podiums.
And it was very weird. It's very weird. I wonder if like the
podiums were there and MTV was just like, oh, we should do something
silly here, and it felt very random. Yeah, Laura was pumped,
though, she was stoked. This whole thing never seen Laura so excited about
something so silly. Well, apparently, Ryan says that, apparently I'm I'm
running with the bad takes tonight. That Ryan and Derek are definitely not dating.
They're into different types than the other, but they need someone like Ryan,
all right. I mean, I was probably just speaking for myself.
I would end up wanting a bear, not a twink. So, Ryan,
if you had to pick one of those, always the bears. Guys.
Sorry, Zach, that's fine. What are you saying? Oh,
I asked Ran if you had to take either Derek or keyho which ones he'd
taken. He says, Derek by a mile. Yeah, yeah, Derek
seems a little more normal. Yeah, frankly, yeah, I agree.
All right. So then we're back in the house and this is when we
get Jay and Ryan, uh dueling confessionals talking about how they call each other
ocelots. I've never heard of these, really, I've heard of it because
the TV show Archer. Yeah, part of that, Oh, oslots are
a big deal in Archer. I think that's I think, I literally think
it's the only time I've ever heard of ocelot. Yeah, I think that
was the first time that I was introduced to it as well. And yeah,
and I mean, like they show up on the nature shows everyone,
like Planet Earth and that sort of thing occasionally. Yeah, you know whatever,
these guys need to feel good about them, So that's fine. I
don't know if I've ever been impressed with Ryan's performance is in anything? Nope,
So I don't know if I agree with this. And then yeah,
obviously Jay's first performance around like didn't leave an Ocelottish impression. No, he
was definitely not impressed at the first time around. Yeah, he was purely
brought to the final as a fluff player. Yeah, and it turned out
to be a good choice. Yeah. So this is the first time that
we get Ace saying that he doesn't want to vote Ryan in and Ace and
then he tells us that he has had a deal with Ryan since the beginning
that he will save him whenever he needs to, which again was just a
little a little weird. Yeah. Since then, though, Zach and maybe
you saw this. Did you see Ace's post on Instagram kind of explaining his
relationship with that with Ryan. I did see that. Yeah. So apparently
two days before the first All Stars, Ace's cousin asked away and then you
know, they went away Argentina and Ace was locked in sequestered for seven straight
days and was like depressed over it. And Ryan was in the the hotel
room right above him. So Ryan would like to sit there at the balcony
and like talk to Ace and comfort him over his cousin and send him down
food. And so they really came in Okay. Yeah, and so they
said he decided after that moment that like any future seasons, he's got Ryan's
back. Ryan was there when his cousin died. Yeah, well, so
our Ryan in the chat room says Ryan has heart or did as a young
person, but no skills and scared of physical stuff. I agree. Ryan
has always had heart like he's and he's always been a fun player to have,
but he's always been fluff. Yeah, He's never been a badass that
I've seen, never never been intimidating or scary in any capacity. No,
but he's I mean, he's been fun to watch just because he just has
been. But yeah, thing we've ever seen Ryan in the final because I
feel like I feel like he's not well suited for Law of elimination. I
think he could be someone that like could do a lot better in a final
than in an elimination probably, And I think that's we'll get into Winny chickens
out. But you know, he's holding on for one more star because I
think he just knows he's gonna probably be eliminated in most things, So just
one more week and maybe he'll get lucky or you know whatever. I think
that's decision. This is This is now the first of a few scenes that
make me just feel like Steve is fucking weird? Why why why do we
have a scene of Steve showering right and describing a shower and hygiene stuff.
We need to not see this on television ever. Again, I gree it's
like a makeup thing, right, It's extensive, the makeup thing. Are
everybody heard? Everybody heard when the women are doing their makeup, They're sitting
there doing their makeup while having a conversation about the game. Yeah, this
was Steve describing his shower. M This seems sexist to me. Why are
women allowed to do this and men are because they're not talking about their shower.
They are talking about the game that's been He's not talking about the game,
he's talking about a shower. Women are doing this I think the same
thing. Why the did we need a three minute scene talking about your shower?
I don't fucking care. So here's here's my thoughts. Is a cameraman
followed him to the shower, probably asked him about shower afterwards, and then
an editor decided to put it in the side. So why are we blaming
Steve for this? Why are we not blaming the cameraman and the editors that
chose to show this, because that is the point of this show, That's
the point of all reality TV. The producers and the editors and all that
sort of thing are not there. Oh, they play probably do the same
thing, they just don't show them. They show Steve something we should be
like, oh, Steve's weird, It's like, no, they're probably all
weird. They just choose to only show with Steve's weirds. No, Steve
made a pointed choice in how he described everything. He could have said,
oh, I took a shower, I put in some leaving conditioner. It
was thirty seconds because he went in depth on the type of scrubs that he
used and the type of conditioner and how he was doing it. I don't
need to know any of that shit. I don't care. I don't want
to know. It nothing to do with this game. There's nothing to do
with this game, and it has nothing to do with building character. I
no, no, I don't want to do it because giving blunt, boring
answers to the producers, you know, makes them jump up down and go
like we need to bring him back in future seasons. Yes, exactly,
because I don't want to see it. So I'm totally fine with blunt,
boring answers. So what if Carlin, a woman is applying makeup and it
shows that and nothing of any importance happens in that scene at all, is
that scene still worth having in there? No, if they're just showing them
putting on makeup, I don't give a shit. All right, as long
as we agree none of this. We need no hygiene on the challenge,
we need no shots or talk of hygiene. Agree. I'm telling you there's
a difference between the scenes where they're putting on makeup and this, because,
like I said, in the scenes where they're putting on makeup, they're usually
sitting in front of a mirror, putting on makeup, talking about the game,
talking about things that are happening in the game. This was literally just
him describing the shower. Yeah, I do that, Zach. Do you
do manscaping like this? Do you have a lotion regimen, skin care treatment?
Not? Not year round? But I got through my moments of it.
Okay, how often do you guys take everything showers? What's in everything?
Shower and washing your hair, full scrub all of like full lather of
everything, cleaning everything every day, little shave all of the stuff that's every
day, Oh my god, every day. Really, it is so bad
for your hair. I don't have I don't have hair, so I don't
ever wash my hair. I don't own shampoo, so I don't think I
would ever like hit your Okay, okay, so here and everything shower for
most women are things like we actually do a full wash on our hair,
shampoo, conditioner, leave and conditioner. If you do it like full body,
whatever you ship you your preferences on shaving all of those things, all
of the areas, full scrub down with any type of lufa exfoliant, all
of the everything. Shower is like the long extended to all of the things
and a lot for a lot of women it also Hey, we also have
like things you put on after lotions all of the things. This is too
intense. This is too intense for me. That's in everything shower. Never
never done one, never in my life never, So don't I don't know
a loof. I was listening to a podcast every day that mentioned this,
and their point was that men don't know what everything showers are and have probably
never done everything showers because men are grass. No. I like, I
have a bar of soap and that's about it. A toothpaste, a toothpaste,
and then yeah, my soap. I just lather my hands and that's
everything. I just put it everywhere. And the soap it's a good soap,
and it smells like cedar and bourbon. It's a very and it's a
brown, it's a brown soap. I look very mainly when I do it,
and I shave my head and I have a little hair on my cheeks
that I don't like. So how often do you how often do you do
the head shave and the cheek shave? Cheek shave like every every other day,
probably because it gets like it's like noticeable. What about the head shave
twice a week, twice a week something like that. I have like a
like a like an electric one. It's pretty easy. Just yeah, see
for me, in the summer, like everything, showers in the winter don't
include shaving all of the things in the summer they do. And it's like
a maybe once a week because I usually don't have to. I don't wash
my hair every week or every day. I watch it like once a week.
Yeah, i'd watch it, watch that once a week, once a
week. Well, because I didn't take any consideration, like the the shaving,
like the manscaping, but like everything else, Like well, I had
longer hair, I went through the hair every day, like you know,
but like now shorter, I do it pretty much every day. I don't
do conditioner anymore, but like you should. I feel like I don't tell
a difference when short. When I had long hair, I could tell the
difference with the conditioner. Short hair, I don't tell. I can't really
tell the difference. Yeah, all right, Well, I mean I know,
I just got I just went on a tie ride about Steve talking about
his shower and now we just went on once so hypocrite, That's I'm okay.
I definitely will say I was much more concerned with my shower routine when
I have long hair than I'm sure, oh, I would assume that.
Yeah, that's yeah, that's obvious, right, Yeah, all right,
so uh oh this is where Ryan mentions the TJ has stopped saying there are
six star holders going to the final, which I was kind of surprised that
he actually noticed this. I guess I'm just used to the players being idiots.
And so he thinks that there's still two starts floating out there and that
he can still get a star because this is his first time of kind of
being like, I didn't actually want to go in after telling us that he
did. Yeah, started to sink in for him, like, oh no,
I'm actually gonna have to fucking do it. And he tells this to
Ace, and then Ace goes and tells Kara and Leroy, who are apparently
friends again, that Ryan doesn't want to go in, but Lee Roy says
that he doesn't want to take the chance of going in because of what literally
just happened to Cam. Yeah. Even though Jay is saying that he's going
to take that spot, he Leroy doesn't want to put himself in that position
because it literally just happened to Cam. Yeah. To self preservation mood for
move for Lera and I get it. I get but Ryan should go in.
I mean, this is ridiculous that we're even having to sort of think
about this. You know, Ryan want to go in, Like what what
are we doing? Yeah, yeah, I agree with all of that,
but yeah, this is the beginning of Ace's existential crisis. Uh and Steve
and Leroy are both pissed because neither of them one I have to give see
an elimination. Yeah, do we think of Ace's existential crisis? Here?
Is this? Is? This? Is this? Sincere? Is he doing
this for the cameras? What's going on? I mean, honestly, for
a lot of people, I would say, no, it's not. For
Ace. It actually does feel like he literally is having like a full like
I don't know what I'm Oh my god, I've been put in a pressure
situation. It feels real for him. Yeah, I agree. I think
Ace just might be too nice to these games, Like he can't make the
hard decisions. It's been true since I mean every season he's since the beginning,
you know, his old seasons. Even this is kind of who he
was. Yeah, he was at a goof around, have a good time,
make some friends. I don't think he cares that much about winning,
and he feels like he's not making friends now, so he's not loving it.
Oh. Ryan says that he heard on another Challenge pod that Ryan had
a major collarbone issue. He thinks he broke it and didn't go to a
hospital until after the show because he wanted to stay on TV. He had
that one big fall. We had that big brute, you know, that
big like that big bruise. It was just like three or four episodes ago,
but it was one of the big fallen water ones. I don't remember
which. Yeah, Ryan says, Yeah, that's it. I don't remember
that, all right. Interesting, I wish I would have said that.
I would be a little more forgiving for Ryan if that was his right.
Can see that he could have He could have done this one with the bump
shoulder. I know he didn't know that at the time, but this is
a this is an elimination he could have done with a bump shoulder easily.
Yeah, so take your shot in uh. Yeah. Ryan tells Jay that
he doesn't want to go into an elimination against him because he thinks that Jai'll
beat him, and Jay's just kind of like, wait, what Like,
I thought that's what we were going to try and do. But whatever is
this that weird conversation they had where Ryan's like, you're the strongest man in
the house. Of course I don't. Yeah, what the fuck? It
was just like twenty seconds ago he was talking about wanting to go against him
because they had respect for him and stuff. Yeah, and then on top
of this, like this maybe kind of sit here, this whole like few
minutes exchanged between all the people and the house that some thing like Ryan says
that he doesn't want to go in, and then all of a sudden,
everybody's like, Okay, well obviously he's not going in. Yeah, how
how does Ryan? Yeah, how does he have that kind of pull on
the house? I found that very weird. They all of a sudden,
oh, yeah, well obviously he's not going in. Yeah. I thought
that was really weird too. Wait what because he just said and he just
said after the challenge, after the challenge, he said like I don't have
the numbers for the first time, like I can't stop this, but then
he did. So it was I found it very very very odd. I
just because I guess I just didn't realize he had that many friends in the
house, or that he had that much pull in a house where he hasn't
really had any power, and I don't it found weird. It felt weird.
So then we're on to nominations. Oh uh, two nominations the name
bitch, don't say my name, bitch. What happened? Yeah, so
nominations. Nicole starts it off and immediately says, well, Ryan and Steve,
and Adam has his whole big spiel and says, you know, I
want to see the two star holders go against each other, regardless of the
fact that Steve is a friend. So Ryan Steve. He even says like
this is this is a game move. It's not personal this you know,
we're playing away at this point, or he says something like that. Yeah,
he says something like that, but it's it's also the thing of like
you at the beginning of this episode talked about how Steve's you have a twenty
year friendship with him, and Okay, if this is a game move,
then I want you to remember that statement, like, just just remember that
statement that you just said. Yeah, and then Derek says Lee, Roy
and Steve because obviously he's not going to vote in Ryan, and this is
Ace again having a full crisis. He says Lee Roy, and then he
says he doesn't want to vote Steve because Steve's already been in. He doesn't
want to vote Ryan because he gave Ryan his word, and he just full
full meltdown and says, can Cara, you go like, I don't want
to be the siting vote, which I mean, I guess he would have,
but he also wouldn't have been the desire. I found that a little
weird, but whatever. Kara says that she doesn't want to vote Steve because
he's already been down in an elimination twice and she knows how it feels to
be voted in multiple times in a season, which I gave the props for,
and she votes Ryan and Leroy. So this point in time, we
have Leroy has three, so he's absolutely going down there, which I think
Lee Roy already knew. And we've got Steve has two and Ryan has two,
so Ace is going to have to be that deciding vote regardless. And
he just keeps saying, I can't say Ryan. I can't say Ryan.
I can't say Ryan, and they're like, okay, well then it's Leroy
and they get up and go like Nicole and Darrek go and put the names
up. And Ace lays down on the couch and just said, I can't
say Ryan. Full meltdown, full breakdown on the couch A little dramatic for
my taste here. It didn't feel necessarily inauthentic, but it it was just
kind of like, what are you doing? Did like you you look like
you're three years old right now? Yeah, just it was weird. It
just felt I was just like, Ace, fucking grow up, dude.
It's a game. And you said a name like who gives a ship?
Yeah, and his moackdown doesn't stop here either, so then go straight to
elimination. Yeah. Uh. Leroy says that he's he's putting on his shirt
and he says he's ready to play, even though Jay has given his word
that he would take his place. And Steve has just fucking pissed at Adam
because they have a friend, they've been friends for twenty years, and he's
annoyed that Adam voted to men. But but like sort of appropriate, no,
no, annoyed, he's over the top crazy, just sort of like
that sucks, Like we had a friend of a twenty year friendship. I
would have thought that you would have held that for more than than a brand
new friendship that you have with Ryan, but apparently not. Yeah, it
is generally good at it. I mean it's just like I want to but
that's a game. Yeah. Uh So we're down there and t J calls
the guys out and then says, you know, these are the two star
holders. How this happen? Nace says the you know, I wish I
was down there, still super down on himself, and Leroy just sits there
like, dude, fucking chill, like no one's gonna die, no one
is mad at you, Like it's a game. It's fine. And I
actually really appreciated Leroy saying this. This is the first time that like we've
heard something of that from the people that have been put into Elimination, Like,
dude, it's not that deep. Like it's really not that deep.
This isn't the first time from Leroy that we've seen him just sort of like
just like be cool and just like, you know, make things okay.
Yeah, but it felt like, I don't know, I felt like I
saw some major growth in Lero. Like Leroy has always been a good guy,
always has always been a good guy. But this just this felt like
a very dad move. Yeah, I agree this. Yeah, the way
he just that felt very dad of him. Yeah. I like this moment.
I thought I really did appreciate this. Ace needed to hear that,
and Leroy was very mature about it. And I just love Lera, I
just love I just love Leroy. It is good to see Leroy. Yeah,
yeah, I love Leroy too. Yeah. So TJ turns to Steve
and basically says that he's gonna start charging him rent because he's been down there
so often. TJ was stoned in this scene, right, are in agreement,
unbelievably stoned. He was super stoned. Chat room, Can you confirm
this absolutely? I know my people, and that was one of my people.
He was. He just was. You could tell the monotone that like
when he starts calling people bruh, that's a that's a stone thing. Okay,
yeah, I can see that. I definitely see that. Oh yeah,
I know what teaches. I knew it instantly. Yeah, of course
we know. We know. Oh that's great Ryan and the chat room he's
one of us too, he knows all right, So onto the game,
the game is called shiska stack and everyone turns to TJ and goes, what
TJ. It says. It took me a while to figure out how to
say that. Be happy. I love TJ. This scene, this whole
thing was fucking great. It was He's so weird. Ten take TJ.
I really wonder how many times it took how many takes it took for him
to film that. Yeah, it was good. So the game is there
are two tall water tanks that have three poles next to them, and inside
the water tanks there are puzzle pieces that are There are two puzzle pieces that
fit over the poles on either side, and you have to the two guys
have to start on the outside of the arena, run to their tank,
get in and pull the puzzle piece out. Puzzle pieces out one at a
time, bring them over to a basket or put them directly onto the poles,
and then they can go back and get the next one. And there
are fifteen puzzle pieces. The puzzle pieces that have to be stacked on the
poles in corresponding color and they have to be from the darkest shade to the
lightest shade. We then get the TJ Asking Jay. So Bud, you
coming down here, like what's gonna happen? And Jay kind of kind of
plays it off like no, I'm gonna let them do it. No,
I'm just kidding, I'm coming down. Yeah. I love this. I
love this. J Yeah even that, No, I think you know,
like I mean, winning Thala was like I think was the Laurel that said,
like the benefit of winning? Did you get the see what it is?
And this is something where he's obviously like he said, like my two
oh with Las suck. So yeah, I mean the two issues that Jay
has with this specific game, this is quite possibly the absolute worst game for
him to ever go into. And he acknowledges that is that he has a
broken nose so he has to hold he has to plug his nose when he
goes underwater, which I didn't realize that was a thing, And that he
is partially color blind, which as someone whose brother is color blind and my
grandfather color was color blind, shades of red and green are really, really,
really hard for most people who are colorblind to distinguish, especially if you
put them next to each other, and especially if they have multiple shades,
they all look the same. Some people, it's it's more of the blue
and purple thing, but for most it's red and green, so that he
had the absolute worst colors to have to pick as well. But he had
to do it, right, I mean he had to do Yeah, Zach,
what is your what is what is your what is your justification on why
he shouldn't have done it? Because for so long we heard that there would
be like six people in the final, and there's still enough people left.
I just I feel like I would have taken my chance because I would look
at this as like this is already a losing prospect. Maybe I go home
with Astar, but if there's another challenge, it'll more likely be up my
strengths. Yeah, I mean I get it. Krus is a little bit
later that it's really awesome to see that Jay sticks to his word because that's
relatively rare in this game. Yeah, but it also leads you broke yes.
Yeah. I so I have a little bit of a difference take on
this. I think that Jay had to do it as part of his redemption
arc, and it was it was not important whether he won or lost this,
but it was super important that he did it because if he did not,
if he took if he pulled a Laurel plus the fucking food thing that
you know on his last season. He's done, he is, we are
making fun of that motherfucker for the rest of time for just being that guy
who like blows it, you know. And so he took he did the
right thing, he said, I'm I'm not taking the easy way out.
I'm not chickening out this time. I'm doing it even though it's hard,
even though I'm at a like disadvantage. I'm doing it as hard as I
can. Yep. Yeah, I mean so really quickly, just to run
through the game when they're when they're getting so we get another magic scene of
him changing clothes. I noticed it this time. And then we get a
quick scene doing it too, right, TJ stripping little Yeah, well he
was putting his jacket on whatever. Sexy, Yes, yes, well t
J is sexy. Men. We also get a quick scene, not very
quick, but a scene of Stephen j taking their shirts off and Jay is
like staring at the at what's around them, and Steve is staring at the
camera. Oh my god, this was so creepy. I know that he
thinks that he's trying to be funny and I'm sure a lot of people take
it that away. But yet again, another thing for me that was like,
this is the ick. This right here is the ick. Yeah,
it's weird. Whatever, even if you're picked out by Steve that this is
an important question. Would you be less picked out if he had shorter hair?
Yes, his hair is crazy, right, It's like it's too thin
and it's like scraggly, and yes, I mean as thin as Yeah,
yeah, he needs he needs to cut the hair, and then he'd be
hot and not creepy and not creepy. He'll still be creepy. It just
he would not be hot. He would still be creepy, he would just
be less creepy. Is he not hot? I don't think he is.
I think he's a very good looking guy. Act I have a bad I
was gonna say a bad intuition, but I don't think I do, because
look at at him, look at it. I knew, I knew,
I knew it's up. I think Adam's better looking than Steves. Though.
Yeah, but I'm a good judge of character. You would be better off
with with Steve in the woods than Adam. Well, yeah, yeah,
for sure. Steve over bear Bear over Adam either bear going there, yeah
as still I don't know what I'm abbit still in Yeah yeah. So Jay's
color blindness completely fox him in this game. I was kind of really surprised
that his rider dye people, Coarra and Nicole, even Laurel weren't up there
actually helping him with the colors, like telling him where to put things that
Nicole is yelling, everyone's one, that's a red one, that's a orange
one, like put that one back. Yeah, But then he put an
orange one on top of a red one and they were very obviously not the
like one shade to the next, and like even even if they had been
the bright color, they were very obviously not one shade to the next,
and no one said anything. I don't it just it it seemed like he
didn't have any help up there, and that was bothering me. And ultimately,
Steve Wins, this is where I I one percent agree with you on
Jay needed to do this to have his rediction arc because TJ tells him that
he is the most If there was the most improved award, it goes to
J, and I think TJ is thinking across all the seasons, if there
is a Most Improved Award because that's what I thought, Uh, it goes
to j and I completely agreed. Like, if Jay did not go down
in this elimination, if he had pulled a Laurel and stayed to the next
episode, then there's no guarantee that he will ever come back to this game.
I think now he is guaranteed a spot in the next season. If
there is a season after forty, I think he's guaranteed a call because it
like he proved himself to be a really competitive, fun player to watch.
Yeah, and this, honestly, this was his Jordan flipping all the cards
yep, I think, I yes, that's a good'. This was his
equivalent to that. Yeah, he had he had to do this winner loose.
This was this was the right when Jordan came out to flip all those
cards. Jordans saw the big giant wall made of of sheet ron and knew
what that game was going to be and still went down there and flipped all
those cards. Ye, knowing that he's most likely going to lose that game.
Ye, Jada the same. But it was the it was the right
move. It was absolutely the right, but like it was not the right
move and that he's not going to win the money, but it was absolutely
the right move in his longevity of being part of this series or part of
this show. Yeah, I think it depends what the next So I personally
think there will be at least one more male elimination, And I think the
best move for him would have been if he sat this one out. When's
the next male game? Says TJ. That last one wasn't me, this
one this is mine. I go down there, he wins, he makes
a final boom. Yeah, but I don't. I don't think it's guaranteed
that the next game he will win the challenge or that he will be voted
into that channel into that elimination. So I think this is a better choice
for him all around. He is guaranteed to go down into the elimination.
It is a game that, I mean, even despite his difficulties, he
could still have potentially won. And yeah, I mean, I just I
feel like this was a better choice overall versus him potentially getting the chance for
a star in the next one. Yep, I agree, but I agree
on that. Yeah entirely, I will say, and I like Jay,
this is not meant to be too much of a criticism, But Jake came
into this season with a lot to prove, and he really wanted to do
this redemption arc, and it seemed like a lot of his story was sort
of try hard. It was sort of like, don't he just seemed like
a little try hard. I would like to see him come back just be
able to play. Yes, just play. Just be cool. We like
you now, we respect you. We know you're capable. Like, just
be cool and fun. Stop with this, like, I'm such a badass.
I have so much to prove. I'm better than what you thought I
was. Like, just just chill now, No, I agree, I
agree, it would have It would be nice to see him come back and
and like just be able to play, just be able to play the games
and show like, yeah, I really am a great competitor, Like I
can do this. This will be this is my thing. Like we're good
to go. We do get a scene of Nicole just balling her fucking eyes
out. Ooo fucking who. It is a little weird though, that they
ended up in the same fire department, isn't it challenge people in the same
fire Yeah? Okay, And so Jay leaves and now we are on the
Steve. Steve already has a star, so so Steve can either steal a
star from one of the women and give it to a different woman, or
he can steal it from a man and give it to a different man.
And Steve walks over there without any hesitation and takes Adam star and says,
Ace, this is yours, and Adam is fucking livid. Adam has Adam
has a confessional almost immediately where he says he feels betrayed and goes on a
full minute long tirade about how Steve is going to try and say that he
won this game and that he won this elimination, but it was an elimination
where the other person was at a severe disadvantage, so it's obviously going to
be his story is going to be super embellished and Steve, this is why
Steve doesn't have any friends inside the house or outside of the house. This
is why he's never going to answer another phone call from him. This is
why they are not friends, and then proceeds to flip off the camera and
says sit and spend and then mentions like oh, I'm I'm just getting all
hot and like sticking sweaty, like I'm so aggravated right now, Like,
oh my god, it was Yeah, it was so over the top.
Yeah, it was looney, it was Yeah, it's insane. It was
bizarre, especially he had just voted Steve in saying it makes the most sense
for my game to be get further. That's what Susan right, Like Steve
is just giving medicine. You should have just taken it on the chin like
you should have. I mean, I, although I don't like him,
I won't play down Avocan. I can't see one way that you can defend
not his reaction, but his decision to be annoyed, which is he made
a decision where it protected his own star, Like there was no way he
could help Steve without risking his own star, whereas when Steve won, he
had ways where he could protect his star without, you know, like he
didn't have to risk his star to protect Adam. So like, but isn't
there no win, like either I screw Steve or I screw myself, whereas
Steve had the like we both win. I okay, so I understand that.
But at the same time, like we have just listened to you talk
about this is a twenty year of friendship. Yeah, and even though you
have the potential of risking your star, it's not a guarantee that you're risking
your star because Adam wouldn't have been the one going in. It would have
been Leroy, Leroy and Ryan, not Steve. Yeah, and there's a
very good chance that Ryan is not going to win against Leroy, even in
a game where they're having to dive underwater, because if Adam voted, if
Adam voted what's his name, Ryan instead of Steve, Ryan goes in,
right, Yeah, Ryan goes in. So so so Adam sacrificed Steve to
keep his star safe. He put Steve's star at risk to save his own
star. Yeah, and yes, Steve just took it away. But so
what that's sort of the risk that you take by throwing in something. I
mean, it comes back, Yeah, it was. It was a Okay,
you did this. I'm going to pay you back for the shit move
that you just made because you could have said Ryan, because if if if
Ryan had won, then Ryan would have taken LeRoy's star, and if Leroy
had won, Leroy has has the choice between Adam and Steve, or he
also has the choice between Kara Uh Veronica and Nicole, and it would have
like, honestly, it would have been a pretty easy decision to just be
like, oh well, I mean I've already taken karas Starr how many times,
or like being going against her for how long? Just go in there
and take car a star and give it to someone who's give it to another
Give it to Flora Laura, Yes, who was fucking week is all get
out but somehow got the last words in this episode to win. That's the
move. Take Car out, put Flora in there, and now, yes
they're a lot closer to winning. Yeah, but think I get that Adam's
Starr was still at risk there, But I mean his star was going to
be at risk one way or the other. Like it didn't matter which side
it was on. His star was still going to be at risk. Oh
no, because by throwing in the two Star winners, whoever lost their targets
taken. Yeah, but at the challenge. At the challenge, they already
knew that Ryan was taking the place or that Jay was taking the place of
one of the people down in that elimination. Yes, so it did not
matter if it was if it was two Star holders or one, because one
of those star holders is automatically going back up there. There's automatically going to
be someone down in the sand who doesn't have a star. So that automatically
means that that person who has a star that they have the potential of winning
and stealing someone else's star and giving it away. But there's because so let's
say Jay won that challenge, if there's two star holders, if Jay wins,
by default, he takes a loser star, he cannot steal Adam.
No. I realized that, Yeah, by default he takes, he takes
Steve Starr. But because there is a star holder, whether it was Leroy
or Steve, if Lee Roy or Steve won, then Adam Starr is still
at risk. So it doesn't matter because Jay is going in there no matter
what, because he said at the elimination or at the challenge, I am
going in. Yeah, it didn't matter if it was two star holders voted
into that or one star holder voted into it, because either way, Adam
Starr is still going to be at risk. Yeah, And for me,
the argument is simpler, it's I don't give a fuck that Adam voted for
Steve, Like that's a game move. And I think that you should be
able to do that, and it's whatever. It's the hip hop of like
of like, well that's I just voted for Steve because I had to.
It's a game move. It was really smart. But when Steve took my
star, fuck that guy, He's dead to me forever. Like that's yeah,
that's the chasm. I can't, I can't so over the top,
yeah, so over the top. Yeah, yes, yeah, yeah,
it sums it up. Oh, Swanny says his hands are it too?
I'm outnumbered in the chat room. I'm out numbered in the chat room.
Mendy says Steve is not hot to her. I think that's her, Mendy.
I'm sorry if I misgendered. Umm, yeah, I'm out numbered.
Zach. You and I have we don't have good taste of ment except I
know when a man is a bad man. Chris mentions I really thought one
of them would injure their legs with the number of jumps that they did from
the top of that. I agree with that. Remember a few times where
they landed real hard and my entire body was I wonder if we're gonna see
something else happened because Steve said something about like I blew my knees out,
My hammies are burning. I don't know how I'm gonna finish this. I'm
in trouble. I just wonder if he might see something in the final where
it's like, uh oh Steve's self. Yeah, yeah, we've got Ryan
saying that. Laurel said that Jay was going Jay going in was his only
rookie move that the entire season. He played a flawless game up until that
point. I agree, but again, I mean I still stick with he
needed to make that move. Yeah, I don't know, are you playing
to win? Are you playing to come back? And I think he made
the right move to get called back. Well, Zach thought that he was
originally going to be making the right move to win. But yeah, well
the other so the alternative, And I know, Zach, you're selling it
like, oh, he goes to the next challenge and he wins his star
that way. But let's say he chickened out this time and then he loses
the purge and he goes home, like that's embarrassing for Jay. He had
a shot, he didn't take it. He missed his next one. It's
like, yeah, he kept saying he was going to take it, he
didn't take it, and then he goes home. Yeah, that would be
a shittier move than what he currently simply to do this. Yes, he
had to do this. Yeah, oh, Ryan. Ryan asked who has
had their star the longest? So I was actually looking at Wikipedia earlier today.
Steve has actually had his star the longest. He got his his star
in like episode two or three and has held it this entire time. I
think it was episode three, held it this entire time. Kara came close,
but she lost her star for an episode and then she got it back,
so I think total she's tied with Steve for the number for the number
of weeks that they have had a star, but Steve has had his consecutively
for the longest. Adam was up there though. Yeah, Adam's reaction has
made it so he could be recast as a villain. I agree with that
one as well, and I we'll see it. Seems like the fans he's
not a likable villain. He's not a Bananas or like a Wes where you
sort of like like him. I think he's trying to fall into that category,
but it didn't work very well. He's very unlikable, very unlikable man.
Yeah, same too, because I don't I don't think she's a fan
favorite, but I think in general, probably the fans would say Avery is
likable. And now that we know that they're like together, yeah, I
know the fans are super into Avery. I don't care about Avery. She's
never made an impression on me. She doesn't. She still sort of like
barely exists. I don't know. I know she's there. She's kind of
always been the same person, like, I mean, she'd I did take
a peek at her Instagram the other day. She doesn't have a hot body,
and good for that woman. She's a little too skinny for my taste,
but good for her. But yeah, I mean, I just I
feel like the challenge is more likely to catch a couples that people like both
sides of that couple, like Leroy and Cam. Otherwise they're just gonna pick
one of those sides because no one wants to. I mean, yeah,
yeah, so oh yeah. And Flora gets the final words of this entire
episode by saying that Ace is playing. First, she says Ace is playing
a super smart game because this is the second time Ace has been gifted a
star, and then she says that. She follows it up almost immediately with
but no one respects his game. Okay, but he's playing a super smart
game. So doesn't that mean that you kind of respect this game if you're
calling it smart. Yeah, she's got some weird takes, and she just
she pops in and says this bullshit and then disappears for the entire like she
was completely not there for the entire episode. Popped in and said some bullshit.
Yeah, I mean the entire season. I don't understand why they cast
her on this season. You the ultimate fluff player? Yeahtfecionals maybe one in
like episode two. We've had this conversation too. Yeah, yeah, it's
still to you two episodes ago. I like her though, I like her,
Zach, you like Flora. Flora is a good choice, right,
No, I have on my fantasy team. I'm begging to get rid of
her. I want off my team. Oh man, you're stuck forever stuck
for her. Well, speaking of teams, is it time to go over
our rankings? Yeah, so we can go over fantasy teams. I fucking
get it pulled up. There we go. Uh so, in the public
lead whatever, stove is still in the first place question. It look at
that fucking guy. Yeah, with ten to fifty six points? All right,
fifty six points, but coming in real, real close second is ct
for the win, Katrina, She's got one and forty five points. There's
only and this last episode was not a very high scoring episode. Like the
most that anyone got I think was like fifty or sixty points per player.
I think so mostach in the bottom of our barrels of players. Most most
people in this last episode were around that, like seventy five mark for the
number of points that they got. And then third place, there's there's a
pretty decent gap between second and third. Third place is what what's eight times
nine with eight nine and eighty four. Zachi Bananas is in sixth with nine
forty five, I'm in seventh with nine thirty five, Big Uncle Sweet teas
in tenth with eight eighty and Wolfe is in twentyeth with seven seven thirty five.
I gotta be honest with you, guys, I'm feeling pretty good about
my the last two weeks of this game. I have a lot of good
players left. I have many star holders, easily clearing the final with a
full roster players. What about you guys. Yes, I think, I
think I'm okay. I've saved a few people. I've saved I've saved at
least one for a few different people, specifically to because I think that they're
gonna be in the end. I yeah, I still have Car. I
save Laurel. I sta have Nicole. Fuck off, Zach. I mean
I think I have everyone left. I've never like there's no one left in
the game. I don't have left. I have every player left. Oh
really, yeah, I have ever player left too. Such a strategy where
like so we started with three uses each. I got everyone down to two
before I reused a single person, so I never used someone more than once
until everyone had gone at least once. That's smart. I ran out of
Nicole and Laurel. Oh you used them up early. Yeah, I'm out.
Yeah, I'm out of those. But I have two. I have
so many star holders. I got two Aces left, I got two LeRoy's,
I got two Veronica's, two Steve's. I'm off set. I'm like,
I have one Car, and I'm I want Car to win the whole
thing. I'm saving my car U till the end. Car. I'm counting
on you. I shouldn't tell you ays that because now you're gonna do the
same thing. But I know, I mean, I'll probably tie to if
I can try to do like Carl, Laurel Nicole is my final week if
they're all there. Yeah, this has been fun. I really I've enjoyed
this league more than I thought I would. Should we go over the host
league, I'm out? But you three? Yeah? Yeah, Zach,
you want to give the your points and I can give the online ones.
Sure thing, all right? And last place is Tim point out with twenty
three points as Tim third, going up a little bit as Wolfie with forty,
and then the top two still no change. Carlin is in second at
seventy seven and I am in first at eighty eight. Yeah, we pretty
much played this week. We both had someone win the child Lenge, but
one more person going to the Bomb three than she did. But promise Carlin
had her winner then throw himself into uh the elimination and lose. Oh yeah,
Jay left. I didn't even realize that I had jam my team he
did. Yeah, and then the my other my other four players that were
all Star holders, So I'm okay with that. I have Leroy, Nicole,
Ace, and Veronica. Oh man, you're all set, You're all
set. Yeah, Zach still has not lost a single player. I have
not begging for like a month and a half to lose Floor. Will someone
please beat Floor? Already? She's gonna win the whole thing, the final.
She's a layup. How if she won the whole that'd be great,
that'd be great. I'm gonna have to reconsider ever watching the show again.
Yeah, that'd be better than well. Well, and Manuel actually like proved
himself in challenges. He actually did pretty well in all of those. Flora
just is wallpaper like the woods with either Flora or I'm not going there.
We're not having that conversation. We're not going to be this seving. But
manwell, to me at least, is like someone that can stand up there
with like west seed, he bananas, and I can look him and go
like, yeah, he looks like he can hang with them, Like he
looks physically fit enough. All right, Well I have some fun feedback this
week. Yeah, all right, So there are two things. So first
one I only saw just a little while ago, and it was because Tim
posted a picture on the Instagram and we have just uncomfortable me said that they
love the pod and he doesn't. They don't even watch the season, they
just listen to the pod and they're playing the fantasy game, and that they
actually canceled their Paramount Plus subscription just before the season started. So I think
that's that's pretty fun. But we've had we've had a weirdly high amount of
people say, oh, I don't even watch the show anymore. Just listen
to you guys. And that's that's what super fucked up, Tim. Whenever
you say, oh, well everything's watched this, I don't have to explain
no, no, no. It is for those people that we have to
explain the games because that this podcast weird. I can't believe people listened to
this, that it was weird. Only listen to this podcast the challenge.
But there's definitely been times like Survivor Our Big Brother, Why just get too
busy to keep up watching, So I'll just like listen to recap podcast and
tell me what happened. Oh yeah, okay, but this this is the
fun feedback. So a few weeks ago, we had our number one fan,
Michelle Yay, posted on Spotify a bunch of like this podcast is awful.
I can't believe judgmental. These people are. Michelle found us on Instagram.
Oh send us a message. So her message is, I'm your hate
listener, and I am glad that you're amused by my bitchy comments and appreciate
you not getting butt hurt. I may not agree with you, but I
will angrily support you and hate listen because you're challenged fans. All right,
I actually did listen to a bunch of your episodes in one day whilst at
work, just listening to the last two and thought that i'd send a message
on here. Don't worry, I'll still angry comments. Love it, Love
it, Michelle. Please continue to love having angry, angry comments. If
you go in, please please give us five stars. You can put as
many angry comments as you want with your five stars. But it's fun and
they're going to have We're going to have people with different opinions. Yeah,
okay with that. And occasionally, Michelle, we do callin shows we need
to call up and like puss us out on it. Please please, guys,
I think we are We roll with the criticism better than most podcasts.
Love it, we thrive on it. Yes, anything anything insult us and
I'm also a hate watcher of stuff. I relate to that impulse of continue
to watch even though it's awful and I hate it. Oh, I get
it. Hi, Michelle? Is that Michelle Fitzgerald is Survivor winner? I
was about to say how many idea? She called Michelle Fitzgerald. Oh,
man, that'd be amazing. I have no idea because I don't watch Survivor.
So maybe Survivor she's from I che l Michelle, you know what?
Yeah? What L? But I don't know it's gonna be. Oh Michelle.
That was on last season. Michelle, it's not her. So I
will be meeting Michelle this weekend, so I will ask her if she's our
hater? Yes, please, yes, it might be. It might be?
And did we also get an Instagram message wishing a happy birthday? Carling?
Was it your birthday? Yeah? My birthday was on Wednesday? Happy
birthday? Yesterday? Yes, yesterday, six five. That's easy to remember.
I like easy to remember birthdays. Six five yep. I turned.
I went to trivia and the guys asked me if I turned twelve, and
I said yes, plus twenty five thirty seven over the hill, Carlyn is
now the age that I was when we started this podcast. How does that
make you feel, Carlyn? Well, there we go. Makes me feel
like a baby now in my mid forties. So I remember my thirties.
Those were good days. It goes so fast. Forty are you forty?
I turned forty in February. For some reason, I thought you were younger
than Carlin. All right, forty, I'm the baby. The baby,
I'll take it. Well. Because the man says that he that Flora has
no idea what's going on. Her opinion on gameplay means absolutely nothing to me.
Chris is Flora's garbage, and Mindy says can't wait to see Flora get
per just Riot says home Perch forever, hopefully. But Chris is thirty seven
in a row, which is the best comment of the night. Tim You're
very obviously outnumbered. Yeah, I'm out with the Steve thing. I would
date Steve. I think Steve's a good looking dude. I think a little
weird whatever. All right, well are we doing? What else do you
have to do? Zach? Is there social media stuff? There's some stuff?
So first off, we have two Instagram confirmed relationships from season forty.
Do we want to discuss those? Sure? Uh, well, okay,
so you don't happy birthday guys. So I will say we we don't consider
casting spoilers on this show, but I think forty like oh from season forty,
I thought you meant this season? No? Season four? Yeah,
should wait for the pre I feel like we should maybe wait for the preview
show for those that don't want to hear those players, all right, so
we won't talk about those. So we had two interviews this week on different
podcasts that we had some interesting stuff. First off, Ryan was on Zach
Nichol's podcast this week, Ryan, you better have said something good for us.
Well, here's what I find interesting is he claims the last week Laurel
Ryan are Ryan in the chat room, Ryan, that Laura wanted to go
in against car for that challenge. Is actually Ryan and Nicole that like yelled
at her and told her do not do this. This is stupid. You
need to stay out. I don't fucking care if Ryan and Nicole yelled at
her. Laurel should have had the fucking backbone like she has every other time
she has said shit like this. If someone else, if Caara, if
Caara had been in Laurel's position and had been told by the person she's hooking
up with and another friend of hers in the house, no, don't do
it, don't go in, don't put yourself down there. Laurel would have
flipped shit. She would have said endless bullshit about Kara and how shitty Carra
is and how much of a pussy Carra is and how much of a chicken
Shitkrra is. Laurrel, you never would have heard the end of it.
I don't care that Nicole and Ryan said that she should go, she should
stay. That is a bullshit answer. All right, yeah, all right.
And then apparently I'm in heat again this week. Yeah, okay uh.
And then we had Cam this week on the Death, Taxes and Bananas
podcast and she was talking something about the car says, so we have some
more insight from Cam's version of why everyone hated Kara. And apparently, you
know, once some people start going against car Carr went around the house telling
people like, I understand your targeting me. Just admit on camera, I'm
smarter than you, I'm stronger than you, I'm better than you, and
you are afraid of me. And she's like, that's when pill turned against
Carara because a car wanted everyone in the house should admit like you are superior
to us, we fear you, and they're like, we're not for you.
Okay, I can understand that. I really do wonder whether Kara actually
said it in as many words. Yes, I think there are probably two
sides that's right, and I will for I will always love Kara, like
I realized that my bias is coming out there. Yes, but I honestly,
I think a big part of this is that one Cam has butt hurt
about being beaten by Kara in an elimination when Cam is killing Cam. Yeah,
And two I do think that she is scared of going in against Carra
because I do think that Cara is better than her in a lot of things.
Yeah, car just beat her. She just beat her, and Cam
was very clearly scared to go against her, and that's why she was trying
to convince Laura to take her spot, and like it would, it was
just clear I don't have much respect for Cam's sort of physical game in that
way. Yeah, I will give Cam tiny bag right because she did admit
with the whole the Flora vote where you know, if he got Matt Carr
for not voting along with her She's like, yeah, like there's no reason
card Neate to vote with me. I was just being petty, like that
was the whole riberry, Like that was what set up the whole ribery for
the whole season. And yes, it was petty and meaningless and Cam shouldn't
have done it so because that was the whole thing though, because like if
you married that before that happened, there was a blow up between Flora and
Cam that didn't get no. Ayana and Cam, they're like, dank is
shown, No, we saw it. Apparently they're they're saying that there's stuff
that Dank is shown, like how how bad it got? Yeah, where
she was talking about someone was not black enough and all that, Yeah,
we we talked about that. It didn't get shown, but it was it
was spoken about. I think that's the Aana and Janelle thing, was not
black enough because Janelle wash that's right. But no, apparently there was one
with Cam as well, and apparently like Cam was very like distraught, was
crying in bed and she's like every single person came up consoled me, Are
you okay? Carl laid in the bed across the room for me. Never
once as if I was Okay, never once checked. I mean just had
you know, her eyes covered and like completely ignored it. Honestly, I
and I don't mean this to sound as harsh as going to I kind of
wonder if Kara has like a like autism or something which feels weird to say,
but like she's she's sort of bullied and ostracized in the same way that
Curtly Frieses who admitted that she had autism. And we've seen both of them
be like extremely sort of awkward in certain situations, and we've seen it what
to do years Yeah, I could. I could see Cara being sort of
overwhelmed and not sort of knowing what to say or do in that situation,
so not doing anything. I mean the other part is I think I said
this a few weeks ago, Like it's it's very obvious. Yeah, it
was when when Cara and Laurel were when Laurel was trying to kind of pretend
to be Cary's friend. Again, like Carra very obviously has a like an
abandonment complex, And I mean it's you can kind of tell that she doesn't
want to be involved in conflict. You can tell that she doesn't want to
be abandoned by anybody, Like there have been multiple seasons where she has just
gone off by herself, and like there's the famous scene of her going off
and sitting by herself at a club while everybody else is over there talking shit
about her, and it's because she just she doesn't she doesn't want to be
around these people. So I'm not at all surprised that she hit her face
and looked away when Ayana was talking shit, Like it's I don't feel like
that's worthy of Cam being that mad at her, Like, yeah, I
agree, there was that other one. I can't remember what challenge it was,
but remember they were on the beach and she just was totally by herself,
like drawing in the sand because it was it feels like she gets overwhelmed
by social situations and she isolates number one, Like Jordan propose to Tory,
she did the same thing. Like, I just wonder if there's like sort
of something personality wise there that people are not comfortable with. But she just
is sort of awkward and weird and Amber Amber b is curly fries yeap ye.
And then the other the other big thing Cam said that she claims is
Eliza or the car lide about is that you know, they were thinking like,
oh, when we get to the final and might be a situation where
like you have to run different sections with different people, And she was going
around the house. I was telling people like, oh, Leroy and Cam
have a plan that like let's say Leroy is like leading that like Cam like
around the halfway point, will just start purfoctly throwing in like hurting her male
partners to like make sure they get horrible times so that way Leroy could win.
So we gotta split them up. See that's one of those things we're
like. So Ryan says in here in the chat room to the initial comment
of Kara saying, you know, go talk, go say these things have
camera. Why would Kara say that what does it do for her? Cara
is aware of her brand brand now more than ever and that he doesn't believe
it. And I kind of think that this falls into that same thing of
like that sounds like something that Kara probably was having a conversation with like Ace
or J of like, you know, I wouldn't be surprised if Cam and
Leroy had this, like had thought about this potential plan, because then it
would kind of guarantee one of them a win, and I think Cam would
be more likely to sacrifice her own game to get to get Leroy that win.
Like I can I could see that being the conversation, but I don't
see Kara like wandering around the house and being like, oh, yeah,
did you hear Cam and Leroy have this have this plan of like they're gonna
they're gonna throw. Cam's gonna make it to the final with him, and
then she's gonna start throwing the final so that Lero wins. Like I don't
see her doing that. Yeah, no, I agree. I I mean,
I'm I'm Keem Carr and all this. I've never been a big Cam
fan, so I listened with the grain of salt, thinking like, I
don't know if I believe what Cam's saying. Yeah, uh yeah, we
have one other thing. Yeah. The other thing was with the Ayana thing,
Like I don't understand why Cam feels like she needs to have cars stand
up for when Cam has her husband in the house and has obviously gotten most
of the house to rally with her, like they just all of this is
odd to me, but whatever, And I get it by don't like,
I'm you could correct me if I'm wrong Carlin. But like if some guy
was going off at you, if we were like out in public, and
like Wolfy like stood up for you, but me and Tim just kind of
stood on the side and like watched him do it and didn't like interject.
You won't be like, well, it's okay, one of my people did
it for me, So like I'm not gonna say that shit. I'm gonna
tell Wolfie thank you. But and I might like ras the two of you,
but I'm not gonna be like, oh my god, I can't believe
like we're our friendship is rever broken. I agree, like, okay,
so stand up like and on top of that, Cam is a strong woman
who has no problem getting in the face of anybody. So to think that
she needs to have, like even if she's crying, to think that she
needs to have Carra stand up for her is just like, but would you
do that for Kara? And why do you feel like you need that?
Yeah? It just it's it all rubs me the wrong way. The fact
that it feels like bathtub Cam. It feels like Cam feeling really entitled,
and it just it all rubs me, you know, the small card,
I'll get She's like, I was being very petty, Like I realized stupid,
but I was being petty. I'm glad she sees the insight, but
the pettiness is what started the conflict for the whole season. So that's like,
that's what's behind the whole season. So she's ready to own that part.
She needs to own that she started it, you know. Yeah.
Her argument is that the eye on the thing happened first. And she's like,
if Kara had just like taking her math out petty, like you good,
Cam and Cam of like, yeah, I'll be okay, she'd like
cool. But the fact that they are ignored me. And but that's the
thing that's still a petty thing. Yeah, it's just a petty thing that
we didn't see. And the petty thing that we did see is what we
think is the thing that said it all up. Like either way, all
of these things are petty. Yeah. I agree with what you said,
Carlin about her. Just the entitled version of Cam drives me nuts. I
think I would like Cam a lot as a human, as a friend,
as a neighbor, I think I would really like her. During these shows,
she drives me fucking crazy. With the hypocrisy and the entitlement, and
like how she picked a fight with Carra up for nothing for all fucking season.
It's these little cam things that are just sort of like, I just
don't know about it. I just don't I just don't know I agree with
all of that. Yeah, So anyway, we have one more review from
our best friend Ryan, who's in the chat room right now. It is
the longest review I think we've ever gotten, so I think Ryan submitted it
to so he could realize what a poor, poor reader I am. So
congratulations Ryan, mission accomplished, he says, five star review. Obviously talented
team gives an exceptional podcast experience. What an awesome time. Although a couple
of the voices have changed over the years, the tag team of Wolfe and
Big Uncle Sweetee hold it down. Although no Wolfe this week, I drive
my favorite podcast on the planet. The newest editions of Zach and Carlon have
been fun and brought some different perspectives into the mix. I can't say I
always agree with you knuckleheads, but I do enjoy hearing what y'all have to
say. Sometimes I go back in time in my mind. Oh my god,
couch pilots, throwback and re listen to old episodes when I rewatch a
challenge season. Why don't people re listen to these episodes? Ryan? Please
don't? They're fun? They still hold a companion. Yeah, guys,
I'm only like a third of the way through this. Still hold up.
But hearing Amanda cackle throws me hong kong honk. Things I need more of.
Number one things that frustrate. Wolfy and Tim discussed oh my gosh,
example of makeup application, stupid people, old friends who were dumb, and
ex wives. I think we've handled most of those so far. Wolfy wrestling
talk. Let's start a podcast, Wolfee another person when I just started?
You and George and Ryan apparently Yeah, George, Zach's behind the scene info
and conversations with the challengers. Maybe an in between season where we can ask
Zach questions. Speaking of Zach, my gosh, Zach, you're getting a
lot of love, some gross, some kind of eating challenge every after show.
I agree with that. Carlin, can you keep keeping the boys in
line and take your shirt off? Ryan, I'm inappropriate before you, although
I did enjoy the grossness of it is Oh my god, is that a
real question. This is this is where my poor reading breaks down. Guys
before you, although I did enjoy the grossness that is men when the pod
was all dudes, you have policed this back to a nice balance. Keep
being you well. Thanks more Collins. I agree, Ryan, I miss
talking to you. We miss you too, some kind of live event yep.
Agree. Never quit the pod, no matter how annoying, no matter
how many seasons you two keep doing the pod. We'll see for all the
fun over the years. I thoroughly enjoy you guys. Like so many have
said, listening to the podcast is like talking to my friends about the show.
I never miss an episode. Even if I can't listen live and chat,
We'll always be a listener and always be a supporter. Keep it up
yours always, Ryan, Thank you, Ryan, You're the best. Oh
thanks Ryan. That was very a sweet of you, very nice little love
letter. If anybody else would like to leave a ten paragraph, uh five
star review, we will happily, happily happily read it on air. We
will make sure that Tim reads all of them. I was just about to
say anything longer than this. I think I'm gonna have to pass this one
off. To somebody else. I'm used to read little kid books and ship
guys. Come on, and we'll keep this going forever. And if we
don't, then you know, Lost is coming to Netflix, so we'll be
Lost with Carlin. Such a good show. Well, and apparently Tim and
I are start are turning this into a dating reality show. I don't know,
maybe dated. I'm down. Let's do it. Let's do it.
Just a short flight between Peoria and Minneapolis. We have we have, we
have a dedicated airplane. Yeah, I have to figure out something to do
with the dog. I can't just like leave her here to fend for herself,
so I'll just go to you. That's fine, perfect free. I'm
free every other weekend. And I'm far enough that I'm not gonna just pop
into your house. Thank Christ. What a night. I'm way close to
Australia, like, way closer. I think. I think as long as
you can never get married, this works out. Oh don't worry, I'm
unmarriable. Not gonna happen. All right. We went to the social media
stuff, Zach, right, didn't we do that? I think that's everything,
all right, Patrion, Hey join the Patreon. It's awesome. With
the discord has been firing up, lighting up. Steve's in there. I
post these custom songs that are really fun. I am going to play today's
custom song. Maybe I'll I'll play that now. It's a little bed.
Yeah, it sounds like blakel too. I know. I want the pop
pop punk next to Adam wrote this song. These are Steve's quotes all I'm
sorry Adams, Okay, yeah, good way into really good. But hey,
listen, thanks for listening to challenge. I don't have a sign off,
but you know what we'll find to you next week. Chatter, hang
out, we'll do an after show guys again, a minute, one another, then