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Juneteenth, Monday, June nineteenth, twenty twenty three. I'm Sean the
Fort Chop Forker, Vince Nesbitt, James Baker, Matt Arner, and Henry
May, who joined us during the intro. Hey, Henry, how you
doing, buddy? I'm doing great? There are you good? You're faring
well down there? Okay with all the weather you guys have going on,
Yeah, it was rough for a while. Away well good. Always happy
to see your smiling face there you ribbed cheek, wait, worried face of
joy? Henry May right there for I don't know, Henry. You split
into this show tonight like a great baseball players sliding in the home plate.
Man, you just nucket right in there. That was awesome. Good for
you. Yeah, guys were back. We had a week off as per
usual this week talking about the swamp apes, something a little different going down
south, taking a little break away from the northern tier and what's going on
in Pennsylvania to the south. We're talking about the you know, Boggy Creek
Monster, the swamp apes of the Everglades, the skunk apes. And every
time I think of skunk apes, guys, I think of David Sheey from
the old Unsolved Mysteries episode, somebody I've outlowed for many years who has quite
the h I don't know, dubious. I would say, he's kind of
you. You can like the guy. I tell you what, He's really
hard to not like because he's very interesting. But you know, as with
people that tend to make a lot of outrageous claim sometimes they lack a little
of the kind of evidence to back that up. So, Henry, what
do you think of, Henry when you hear swamp ape or skunk ape?
What comes to mind for you? Well, definitely, you say the monster
or greats So let's not forget about the High Island swamp monster, also a
Louisiana. Yeah, but the Honey Island swamp monster, Henry, was that
more primate or more reptile? Oh, that's a good question. I don't
know, because that toes, remember those those toes that were pretty well,
Matt, you and I were talking about this the other day. For some
reason, you and I were sending, well, it's not unusual for Matt
and I to talk back and forth several times a day, that's not usual.
But we were talking about a particular footprint that we found that we saw
from I think it was Florida, and as we were talking about it,
that had that distinct forete impression. But then I pulled up alligator prints and
showed them the matt and and truth be told, you could draw a lot
of similarities between the two. Yeah, I saw those alligator prints. Yeah.
Yeah. The one thing is too, is that with the alligators,
say, they do have uh basically two of their uh I guess appendages that
that are first are webbed, and there's two appendages that are very close together,
so it couldn't look like uh three as opposed to four or five appendages
on that foot. Yeah, and where they come together, Yes, it's
kind of like in that middle it looks like that middle toe. Well,
it becomes like a middle toe, and which gives you that four toe impression,
which looked a lot like those footprints we were talking about the other day.
And I'm trying to find them right now. For some reason, I
didn't have them at the ready. You know, the only thing that was
missing from the cast print that would have compared it to an alligator. Um.
The only thing that I saw that was missing was the claw in print,
because they do have claws on their feet, and I didn't see any
impressions of a claw imprint, which would be separate from the foot imprint itself.
Whether those got casted, they probably would have been casted separately from the
footprint, but I didn't see any representation of that. Well, what I'm
gonna do here is it? Go ahead, James, Well, you go
ahead and talk out. Could also be a chimmy, you know, because
it's it's and then the body and then the tails moving and I mean the
distribution sounds about right fairly though, because when an alligator or crocodile gets up
to run, its body is not on the ground dragging. Okay, so
they run run, I'm not an alligator specialist. Yeah, that's just scary.
They are on all fours and that's the only thing making contact with the
ground. That's how they can get up some speed to take down a prey.
Okay, yeah, okay. I wondered about the shimmy because you know
that makes you think about it. Yeah, you know, yeah, I
could just see an hour in Florida and somebody knocks on my door with candy
gram that's an alligator doing us. I'm like, yeah, we done.
Yeah, I don't know. Oh, we're still taking up donations for w
D forty for Baker in case anybody. I gotta get a new chair.
The last two weeks have been a little eventful. I'm gonna get one.
I might swap it out for my office chair. Oh okay, well,
well we'll dip it in something. I don't know. I really like this.
It's just the right comfort that I could actually just sit down one day
and put the screwdriver and white broken. What we were talking about Matt and
I were actually David Hilly's footprint castings that he had in that case like a
shadow box, and both those prints that he has, I'll put him in
the I'll put him on the show page here after the show tonight so folks
can reference them Sasquatch experience on Facebook. Both of those prints could very well
be gator prints. I think Matt and I kind of discussed and determined that
they were. Producer Brian Corbyn swamp ape. He's a gas he also has
a gap has gas hey AND's forth the whole Yeah, I get it,
totally get it. But you know, guys, I guess the one thing
is in nineteen fifties, the skunk ape really starts taking off of popularity,
really going into seventies and then doesn't really slow down. I think skunk ape
sightings have been pretty prevalent since the fifties. But there was something else that
happened in the nineteen fifties that was pretty interesting. And I'm kind of kind
of que Baker up for something he wanted to talk about and something he's talked
about in the past. Guys, do you know one form of entertainment that
started to die down in the nineteen fifties? Boy, no, go ahead
and do share the circus? So the circus started dying out right after World
War Two, when television started becoming the media medium of choice. And then
the nineteen twenties, the animal rights groups you know, kind of started getting
after, you know, the big circus companies for the treatment of animals,
mainly minds and tigers, and they started walking back their use from them.
But we all know Florida tended to be a pretty uh you know, big
home for some of the circus circus folk, right, Jupiter Florida itself,
right, was the kind of base camp for some of these circus purveyors.
And sure enough, like, what do you think may have happened to some
of these apes that they didn't need anymore as the circus was starting to no
longer come to town frequency, Right, So just something I like to point
out, because when you talk about the skunk cape, you're talking about an
ape that's five to six feet tall on average, not nearly as big as
a sasquatch in terms of overall build right, you're talking about one hundred pounds
or more depending on And then you go and the Mayaka skunk ape photograph that
Lauren Coleman got sent to him anonymously, right, I think it's a late
nineties, early two thousands. He got that photograph, which to me looked
like a chimp, kind of a white beer chimp. Added more credence to
that that perhaps the skunk cape that we're seeing maybe an ape. Go ahead,
Baker. So my biggest thing was, as we talk about there's a
lot of sightings between Florida, Mississippi, Louisiana, Texas where the swamps area
are up into Mississippi. Excuse me, with the BP. But if you
look at you look at the past history. He mentions of a nineteen fifties.
Nineteen fifties people decided to stay home. Before that, you know,
once every Saturday or once a month, the carnival come through a side choven.
They went to live theater. So they would these live theaters had to
do more and more outrageous things. So they bring exotic animals in. They
bring a variety of things. Well, as these shows died out, they
would you know, they wouldn't kill the animal unless they were hungry, but
they would usually just let go, or they had ones that escaped, you
know, in different parts of the country. Now most of them that They
also had a lot of pharmaceutical companies that were doing some things, makeup companies,
things like that, we're doing things, and they were testing on apes.
They didn't actually declare how many apes they were testing on and things like
that. So some of those apes were just free or someone helped them out
of the cage. As you said, you know, some of the groups
and so these animals, Let's say Bobo is in New York, Okay,
and it starts to get cold, Okay, so he makes his way to
what where it's getting warmer. Well, the appellation trailed to me, has
always been a straight shot from a cold environment down to a warm environment.
And we see a lot of people that see things in different areas. We
also at zoos that flooded or shut down and things like that. Well,
well these people didn't have the money to take care of the animal properly,
and there was no government sanctions that noticed anything. So they all flood down
to Florida or Georgia or Mississippi somewhere the climates a little more closer to what
they're used to, and they start breeding, you know, Florida. Of
course, we have NASA. NASA never really tells you how many apes they
used for their different programs and testing for two main reasons. One they don't
want to kind of have a report, and two some of the things they
did we are not supposed to know. Okay, So you take those apes,
and you take the apes that are funneling down through the Appalachian Trail.
They meet, they make babies, they're like, where should we go?
Well, we got they got Swampland and all these other areas where no humans
are at for miles, and they just start bunny in it, you know,
So I think some of I've been saying this for years is I think
some of these natural gunk apes we're seeing are apes right, and that you
know, they might be, and they might not all look right because the
orangon tang doesn't care what the chimp woman looks like. He's just kind of
what some you know, and I'm sorry, but you know, or you
know the girl, the poor, the poor one that they use cosmetic and
she can't see she didn't really sees on the other end of that dating pool,
and then she has four kids and they look like blah, and then
evolution takes us. Now I've talked to worker about this one. And if
you know anything about Florida, Florida has a really big population of I'm trying
to think the word they use unnatural animals. I'm going to use that word
because I can't think of the word. I've got a small sinus bl invasive
species non indigenous right or non indigenous invasive species both. The cober population in
Florida is amazing. Not all those came from not all of them came from
Florida. Certain certain people one you know, somebody bought a weird lizard or
gecko or whatever it is in New York or and Mama said, you have
an this is threw it outside. Well, sooner or later it's gonna find
warmth or die, right, and they move down to the warmer states,
Florida being one of the consistently weathered states. Pythons. There are some cobras
though, yeah, but pythons are pretty much And then they get into the
regions. Go ahead. Sorry. There's a couple um major invasive species in
Florida, uh that are really big right now. One is the is the
boa constrictor, which a lot of these repets released into the Everglades. Uh.
It's a subtropical environment which is absolutely perfect for them. There's a lot
of food for them, and they're thriving at the point where they have the
bounties on them right now. But the other one, um that that's really
kind of uh melded into the environment is something called the peacock bass, which
is originally from UH South America. It was brought up and dumped into canals
in UH in the Miami area and they are nasty looking tropical fish, but
they could fight and they're actually really good to eat, and uh they've actually
they haven't really destroyed the ecosystem down there like they thought it would. But
um, I think that's because there's such a big you know, sport um
fishery for them. And then we also have James, like you were saying,
with the monkeys, I always think of Tampa they have I think they're
vervet monkeys that are living they've been living since the nineteen forties right outside of
the city of Tampa, and that population has just been you know, been
getting strong, you know, over the years. So the point, yeah,
you know, the theory is very solid. You know when when Sean
brought up the whole skunk Ape, you know, I was doing research for
this skunk Ape project for probably the last six years. Now. There's a
lot of good docu mentation journalist going back to the seventeen hundreds up into the
early eighteen hundreds of the rum trade. Now you're bringing a lot of ships
across the Pacific Ocean from Africa. You're bringing it up from South America into
the tropics. So you're talking the Bahamas, you're talking Cuba, you're talking
Florida. Wherever the ships landed, they would bring all sorts of tradeable things
with them, including animals, and oragon tang was part of that animal trade.
Now you let an oragon tang go with male female species in a tropical
swamp environment two hundred and forty three or two hundred and fifty years later,
there's going to be an adaptation of that animal to that environment that they generally
their mode of transportation is on all fours, but if you're talking a lot
of water, they learn how to walk upright. Just like the billy eate
that was discovered in the early two thousands. They walk through the water lands
bipedally so that their entire body isn't submerged in the water. And I'm wondering
if then that two hundred and fifty year period of time, if these have
evolved geeven just a little bit to bipedally change their physique including their feet,
to transport themselves through extreme conditions in a swamp land in order to get food
and be able to sleep in an environment where it's not so because there is
a lot of places in the Everglades that yeah, you can bed down for
the night. But I'm wondering if there's been an evolutionary change, and maybe
that's part of what you're saying, bake, you're bringing in these exotic species
from all over the world when we've learned how to ship from the east to
the west, and they didn't. No, nobody cared. Nobody cared at
all. I see it today here with an animal that's called the camrand.
That's an Asian bird. We've never had camrands here when I was a kid,
never saw it there. They look very much like a loon that they're
a duct type of aquatic bird, but their bodies don't float on the top
of the water. All you see is their neck in their head and and
they fish. Now, all of a sudden, we're just completely dominated with
camrands here. Why. Well, because they came over on container ships.
They were on the container ship they come here. Well, now they thrive
in this here because we're on the same parallel of the you know, uh,
you know, with the longitude as with Asia. Okay, so the
temperature is a whole lot different than the foods. We'll eat a fish,
it's a and I'm well, will what they need to eat. But again
I'm wondering if you know in a rang and tang or maybe this is a
big foot type of creature that's undiscovered that's in considered, you know, the
skunk cake that's living in Florida. It could be either or. And I
don't want to hear anybody say, well, I'm an expert and I know
and that's not because I would just you know, know, it's not a
thing. You make a point, and I'll counter that it's not a bad
point. I may be wrong. I will admit that. Anybody knows me
there's a good chance. Okay, But here's the thing. The skunt cake
might also be an offshoot. Hey, right, big Foot's all bobo is
like, yeah, we have in some of that, you know, And
then they had little bobo ets that we're kind of Bigfoot, we're kind of
ape. Right. We don't know enough about both animals, well we know
about one animal, but we don't know about the other animal to say he
can't breathe with that, right. No, That's why I think your point
is extremely valid that if you had an orangutang and there's chimpanzees or other you
know, primates, yeah, maybe there is a little bit of cross freedom
going on there, and and now you got something completely dever looking that you
just don't recognize. In the normal spectrum because in their environment, in their
natural habitat, No, they're breeding with each other. But if you're talking
one female orangutang and one male chimpanzee, well you know, my desires kind
of see us a little interracial here, and you have to wonder, you
have to wonder if that's genetically possible. Well, that's a Meldrum question.
Probably. Yeah. Well Meldrum's a foot doctor. He's not a nice guy.
Yeah, we'll ask somebody that's got a background in genetics, m Henry
we I was thinking of the lizard Man of Oaker Swamp, not the Honey
Island swamp Monstreet. Oh yeah, lizard man. Yeah. I just had
to clarify that for the record because for some reason I took a stupid pill.
Yeah it's okay, I take them all the time. And while we're
on that stupid pill comment, we'll go ahead and take a quick break for
our new segment. We'll hide, rate refresh and come back with more swamp
ape as soon as I can get the things to respond. Team a Simboy.
Ah. Yes, it's another heartfelt fun field adventure on the Big Clip
Bullhorn, exclusively on the Sasquatch experience. Happy Monday to you all. I
hope everybody's having a or had a good weekend and a happy Father's Day,
and we'll have a great up and coming week. And that shifts gears from
what we were just talking about with the skunk apes swamp apes, however you
want to refer to them as. So I'll share a little bit on the
Bigfoot bullhorn. Reports of the skunk ape were particularly common back in the nineteen
fifties and nineteen seventies. The BFRO has archived hundreds of alleged sightings across almost
every county of Florida going back to nineteen fifty five. One of the most
famous encounters was in the nineteen seventies. Two Palm Beach County Sheriff's deputies reported
then an ape like creature stalk them through the grove or a grove before they
shot at it. They followed the trail of footprints that led them to a
push down fence with snagged hair in it. Despite several witnesses, nobody or
evidence was ever found. Now you may be asking yourself, have there been
any sightings in Florida recently? Well, this is what we're talking about.
Sightings continued to this day. Forty eight out of the sixty seven counties in
Florida have reported sightings since twenty ten. One of those most recent sightings was
in nineteen ninety seven. Yeah, that's not recent, but a photograph of
a dark upright figure in the swamp was taken by the HP Fire Control District
Chief and within two weeks, over fifty people reported alleged sightings of a hairy
creature within the Big Cypress National Preserve. Now, whether the skunk Gape truly
exists or not still remains a mystery. When we come back, we'll do
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And on July fifteenth, And boy, I hope I pronounce this correctly,
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to this edition of The big Foot bull Horn exclusively on the Sasquatch experience,
and remember keep your toes in the mud. Let's get back to walking around
the swamp. Well, you can see right now our beer of the night
looked like our graphic uh crapped out on us there, bush Light Peach.
Guys, I have been on a kick for this beer since yesterday, since
I opened up, cracked open my first can from our folks over here at
Beer Here located in River Avenue and Williamsport, Pup of A our beer sponsors
for the program, as we like to bring in the beer of the night
so refreshing, light and crisp. It's like drinking a peach. That's it's
It's me and at A I believe what is it? Five ABV Baker five
ABV. You think I can't see that? Well today, all I know
is I could drink the thirty pack all too easy if I wanted to.
So go out before it's gone. It's a limited from a release. Go
to your nearest distributor and pick up a pack of bush Light Peach. You
won't regret it, if you don't mind me adding that we were talking about
David Sheey and Florida, and now you're talking about beer, and I see
if any of our Florida friends would like to be nice they're skunk ape logger,
not the skunk ape headquarters. That would be I'm gonna say that would
be a fantastic beer to try talking about the skunk ape. Don go right
up to the counter, asked a nice lady if she has a bush like
peach and nyser bush, minds fine, how's yours? Ye? Well,
get yourself down to what is it a chope Florida? There? What is
it off the interstate Interstate seventy five or something like that, fifteen miles south
in Interstate seventy five on the old Elegator Highway Highway forty one a chopy floor.
To get yourself some skunk ape logger. Stop in to see David Sheiley
the Skunkcaine Museum and tell them. Folks of the Sasquatch Experience send you hm
or at least recommended you to stop in. Wow, and a new can
just miraculously teleported to my dog. Won't get that? Wow? Fantastic.
I'm still working on this one. Our executive producer who's always listening behind the
scenes. I'm on it will be in Florida. On Wednesday. Report back
Brian another person who shares our love for beer and bigfoot guys, it's synonymous.
I don't know if there's very many people involved in the research who doesn't
like a nice cold one every once in a while. We're not advocating alcoholism.
We're just saying we like a nice drink, not advocating. So let's
get back to the subject at hand. You know, guys, we talked
about skunking swamp eight. The whole Gulf Coast has a plethora of sightings and
a bunch of different monsters that all claim home to the various regions in the
area. I was watching an episode of Swamp People one day and lo and
behold, even the Alligator King himself, Troy Landry got on there and was
telling a story about Old One Eye, and you could hear the screams from
Old One Eye late at night on the bayou down there. Very interesting stories
that of course you got the Honey Island swamp Monster harland Ford nineteen sixty three.
Eventually he ended up getting some video that was released after his death.
Henry, did you ever see the Honey Monster footage? I have, yes,
it was part of the Holy Field documentary on the Honey Island swamp Monster.
It's very interesting, but I had to say it's inconclusive. Yeah,
Henry Dana was his granddaughter, correct, it was Harland's grand She's also on
an episode of Swamp People where they talk about some of these legends. But
there is a documentary she did on the Honey Island swamp Monster. That's where
we start getting into. And then of course there's been some other shows,
the Lost Tapes, if you guys remember that kind of paramormal documentary esque style
show they did for Travel Channel Once upon a time, they did an episode
about the swamp apes on the Skunk Apes on that, But then you also
start getting into you know, one could say the most you know, famous
skunk ape or swamp monster would be the Boggy Creek Monster from the legend of
Boggy Creek, right, which I think falls light right along in the category
into the skunk apes, though some may say it's a its own creature.
You know, as as you start traversing the byways, the backwoods byways also
known as the swamps, creeks, and the rivers, they all empty out
into the same place, right you go right out there into the Gulf and
there are some just hair raising stories out there, guys. No in the
Boggy Creek monster, in the whole genre that took place. You guys,
notice this. I know this kind of goes off subject a little bit,
but the dates of these sightings taking place in the sixties and seventies just seemed
to be such a plethora of sightings in that timeframe. And then within late
yeah, you get sightings here and there. But and I know the Internet
has changed everything. I get that, and I put that into the equation,
but it seems like that was the romanticism during that time period with these
creatures, especially the Boggy Creek And I'm wondering if it's because of that that's
what makes that one of the most popular stories to share. I think you
could take that in today's world and start incorporating things like you know, YouTube,
creepy pasta. You know, that's just a new way we share these
urban legends and stories. But think this that in the sixties and seventies,
drive through movies were becoming popular. You know, film and TV were on
the rise. In what better way to create content than to visualize some of
the stories that came out of these areas, right, you know, so
it's kind of one of those what came first, the chicken or the egg?
Right? Well, in this instance, you know what really did come
first? Did the media manifest the monster or did the monster just incorporate and
elevate the media to start, you know, pushing these these b movies together.
Right? Well, that's kind of what my point is, you know,
with how media is today, because you can pick up media from so
many different sources that you can share a pretty fantastic story, whether it's you
know, a homemade or a small town monsters type of presentation about a certain
creature. It doesn't have the same impact socially as the drive in theater did
back in the seventies when Boggy Creek was a thing, because then everybody was
enthralled by one story, where now or being kind of flooded with so many
stories and then you got to sort out the bs from the maybe not bs,
and it kind of takes away that romanticism of the Boggy Creek monster.
But yes, like you said at the beginning of that comment, that is
a very prominent swamp ape or skunk ape creature that could have very well have
moved up through the chain of rivers and swamps to move north. Who's to
say why maybe could to get into cooler region, even though it's not that
much cooler. But you know, the point is a change of food source
or whatever. But the I guess my point is the entire society at that
period seems no more engulfed and enrapped in enveloped in that story than we are
getting stories today. Yeah, you might find them fascinating, but now you
got to store it out. Who the holsters are. Well, you go
to eighteen eighteen in Appalachicola, the in Florida man sized monkey rating food stores
and stalking fishermen along the stores, right, and then you have seminal Indians
that have stories of bow smelling monsters, so you know that stuff predates the
Yeah, the movies. And of course that's just from a quick Wikipedia skin
there. I'm trying to find that actual newspaper clipping because maybe I could just
pull up my copy of the historical Bigfoot here from Chad armand I could eat
someone to death with this book if I don't destroy my desk. I mean,
this is quite the tone here as you can see. But go ahead,
James, you were going to say something before. So one thing you
guys all brought up from like the eighteen hundreds of the nineteen seventies, will
say whatever you want. But like people gathered, there were cookouts, there
were fires, there were a variety of things. There were special there were
you know, there were special events at the prison. We're not going to
call them specifically what they were, but you know there were there were a
lot of people would get together for church, people would get together for town
halls. So like when if I had a sighting and I felt comfortable about
telling it, you heard it from me. I told you five people what
I felt and what happened. So my I would honestly love that compared to
a right on the social because I can see in your face and I also
know you, Hey, that's the banker from down the road, not Bobby
the rummy. You know. Like so a lot of times these stories they
moved on, you know, and sometimes like you were talking about the eighteen
eighties and things like that, is if food went missing and someone saw something
and they're like, hey, that wasn't us. It was and I don't
think it was an Indian. I have no clue what it is. It's
not a bear. They would form groups to find out what this thing is
or blame the Indians. But that's a whole other problem. But like everybody
would, everybody would hear the story from the mouth that saw it and be
able to judge individually that, Hey, Bob, can't you know what I'm
just going to ignore go back to my house, you know, So go
ahead, there's one. James from the Appalachicola Gazette May seventh, eighteen forties,
states that the habitation of some unknown animal has just been discovered the upper
part of that city, which has given rise to many strange conjectures. The
animal at the time of discovery was in it, but made its escape.
It is said by those who saw it to resemble somewhat the baboon, and
from the size of the nest it is judged to be five feet in height
and of carnivorous description, as many bones were found about the premises. The
nest was nicely made of loose cotton between several mails. So it's really interesting
to think about what's the term they use in here, nest? What of
our friends up in the Olympic project been kind of staken on. Yes,
but now we have you know, proof back in the eighteen hundred, before
modern day bigfooters are talking about Bigfoot nests, that there's some precedent for that,
just even in the history books, literally the historical Bigfoot in the history
books written in newspapers from a time where they would have reference for that.
I think the other I was gonna say the other thing too, is uh
comparing the Olympic Project to something in Florida. Uh, the Olympic Project,
do you have logging roads that can take you to well within the range um
and then it may be a strenuous hike, but you can you can get
there. Some of these swamps in whether it's in Florida, Mississippi, Louisiana.
Uh, they're almost totally inaccessible that uh you know, whether you have
a boat or uh, if you're going in any other way, you can't
put feet on the ground on every part of that swamp. And there's areas
of those swamps that no person has set foot off. So it would be
easy for uh, something to stay hidden, to have a nest in an
environment like that. Right. Yeah, until your point, Matt, you
could be one hundred yards away fifty yards away from where something is habitating,
you would never know it, you would never see it. Just the ability
to get there right well. And besides that, there's also alligators, water
moccasins, and everything else that are between you and that fifty yards that you
know what, I don't think i'd be putting my feet no, no,
no, no. But you know, we take for granted that stuff today.
But you're going back to the eighteen hundreds, These creatures still exist.
You still had water moccasins, and you still had really dangerous animals where we
didn't have the protection of what we had today. And keep in mind,
guys, when there were slaves escaping in the underground railroad, they went through
that shit a lot of times barefoot, without the comforts of what we have
today. And you want to talk about perilous journeys and what does people want
through, you know, to get freedom. They went through these treacherous places.
And we're talking about real creatures that exist. But not even the skunk
gave. But here's a story. Let me share another one from Alabama.
It's called a terrible Encounter, half human monster in a cave. And this
is from the Weekly Advertiser October eleventh, eighteen eighty eight. Rocky Creek,
Alabama, October sixth, October sixth, The long supposed but heretofore undiscovered cave,
which was, before the war the rendezvous of deserters and escaped slaves,
has at last been discovered by a gentleman from Greenville, mister S. B.
Brown. While traveling the road from Monterey to Rocky Creek, and passing
through the old Lime Hills, which are familiar to old settlers, he discovered,
while looking for a spring to get water, the entrance to a cave.
The gentleman, whose curiosity was excited, determined to explore the cave,
and dismounting, he entered, and upon advancing forty or fifty feet into the
cave, it enlarged into a cavern fifty by eighty feet wide, the floor
of which was covered with skeletons of supposed human beings. While gazing in amazement
upon the spectacle, his attention was attracted by a snarling, rasping noise which
seemed to come from another quarter of this cavern, and upon looking, he
saw approaching a hideous monster, half human and half savage, about four and
a half feet high, with arms three feet long, whose head was level
with its shoulders, and the entire upper portion of its body was covered with
kinky hair of a motley color, the lower portion of its body being entirely
bare, the skin having a rough, callous appearance, its feet being formed
with claws like an eagle. Its face was full and resembled a gorilla.
It approached mister Brown in a stealthy manner, and within ten feet of him,
it sprung with a blood curdling howl upon brown shoulders. Fortunately, mister
Reynolds and doctor Jarrett were passing, and upon hearing the noise, rushed to
the rescue of Brown and succeeded in overpowering the demon. Brown is seriously lacerated
about the neck and breast, his clothing being completely torn off. The monster
was left in the cave, and Brown carried to Cheatham's house nearby and cared
for by his good lady and the doctors. A posse of young men formed
themselves into a body and captured the animal and killed it, and it can
now be seen at sermons Gin house. Several men have been missing around here
for the last ten years, and this accounts for it. But for mister
Brown, using his knife with effect. He probably would have been killed before
assistance arrived. I will keep you posted on the matter if anything more should
happen. Mister Brown is getting along all right at the present. Several ligroes
left this section to work on railroads around Birmingham and have never been heard of
since. And the description of jeans coats talies with one described by the mother
of a missing boy. So you think about this creature was killing an eaton
p people and this gentleman happened to stumble upon it. He's getting attacked.
He screams, and a doctor and another gentleman come in and now they,
you know, supposedly killed this creature. Put it up for showing the gin
house, which you know could also be the explanation for several other disappeared men
in the areas. Thinking about that, this is like the eighteen you know,
the eighteen eighties at that and it's just you know, theres a lot
of detail that goes in there, but really kind of you think about the
description four and a half feet tall neck or head level with the neck.
Guys, what's that sound like to you? Ye, well, it sounds
like what you brought up earlier. With the baboon or a gibbon, and
it could have just been you know, adapted to a cannivorous canniverous sets the
wrong word, but a cavernous environment where maybe some of the hair isn't necessary
or is worn off. It's elderly, it's it's vicious protecting its area.
We know, a trenivorous. It could just there are something think about.
Think about chimpanzees. Chimpanzee will eat one another. Oh yeah, they will
attack one another, They will hunt each other down. Now think about that
if you're in a place where there aren't any other chimpanzees, but you still
have the sense of territory and the same desires to eat an attack. It's
not an aroma question. And look, they didn't have the weaponry we we
have the day to mow these things down. The definitely a lot more vulnerable
to the attack of these things than we are. Not that the people who
are you know, getting attacked by chimpanzees regularly, you know, they usually
call him the police who ice this animal? But uh, you know,
in this instance kind of the same thing, like woefully underprepared to be attacked
by an ape of this caliber. Yeah, well, even at four feet
tall, I would still be terrified. Tall with you know, a good
size for camp and chimps are what twice the strength of humans, and if
it caught, You're right, you'd be down before you noticed it. Sure,
I mean, just things to think about when we talk about the skunk
ape and the swamp apes. And you now have stories from Florida, you
have stories in Alabama. I'm sure if we went and pursued more. Well,
let's even look at the Boggy Creek creature. You know, the shaggy
hair covered, you know, you know, all descriptions of it. It's
not a it's a lot different and look than the Pacific Northwest bigfoot, right
right, which could you know, without allowing for some scaling up the sense
of human estimation and storytelling, could the Boggy Creek Monster also have been maybe
a little bit smaller in stature, possibly right? Well, generally descriptions of
the of the Crepe Monster are there at least seven foot tall, so not
as tall as perhaps you're North American sass, you're sitting Northwest Sasquatch. Yeah,
what I'm saying is henry though that's not allowing for over embellishment either.
Yeah, I got a five foot tall thing. I'm adding two feet yeah,
sure, you're as yeah, easily, you know, And I want
to throw something out towards Matt two. Um. You know, geographically difference
between the Southern States, you know, meaning Louisiana, Florida, Uh,
you know, the Mississippi area, and as you move north you get into
areas through Kentucky that do have caverns and caves. Where is the Southern States
not so much. It's it's lower to sea level. I'm wondering if that
has any kind of geographical difference to the size of an animal that may live
there, because you know, we have so many reports and theories out there
that the apes or Bigfoot that's in the Pacific Northwest store through upper northern central
United States may dwell in caves, whereas down south that's not available. Maybe
that's a difference in stature in their size, and we'll get your take on
that. Yeah. The one thing is is that we're also talking about different
geological strata. Whereas in the Pacific Northwest, even in the Apple each is,
you know, we have a different geological structure down in the Florida area,
in the Gulf Coast region, we do have a lot of limestone which
will provide caves or caverns. However, especially as you move further south again
you're under like you had brought up, they're under sea level. So now
you have these big pits, you know, where you have these underground caverns,
and that's always a possibility that if they don't have that much space and
they you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, right, you grow to
the size of air environment. Yeah, that makes sense, right, right,
that makes sense. I was just curious to get your feedback on that,
because, yeah, you look at cave systems on a cave system's map
of the United States, there ain't nothing down south that way. Yeah,
but as you know, as you progress further north, even up into Canada
and to the you know, Western United States, yes, there's there's massive
cave systems and in places you would not expect. And that's the thing too,
you know, it's just like, wow, there's a case system underneath
my feet. I had no idea that was here. None. We found
that. We found that interesting when we were doing episodes on the Missing when
we pulled up the cave system map in perspective in comparison to missing people that
that was pretty uh you know, interesting information to have its compiling the big
Foot Mapping project for anybody who cares to, uh, you know, pay
attention to all things bigfoot. Bigfootmap dot com. You can go in there
and explore. My god, man, does that really have the settings?
Matt. This is what we were trying to do with the Keystone Bigfoot project
back in the early days. Somebody you know, who knew what the hell
they were doing, did a much better job and compiling the data. And
actually I should get a hold of them and see if they have some stuff
from Pennsylvania that they might not have. Add you know that they may not
have from my collection anyhow, all stuff that they need to go and uh,
just go and take a look at it bigfootmac dot com. I mean,
I'm just kind of lost my train of thought there because I'm just zooming
in it. My god, guys, the information you're gonna find incredible.
And the one thing is too is that we get and this is something I
brought up before two is a lot of times reports aren't made to the BFR,
or they're not made to their local uh groups. It might be somebody
just uh saying something on Facebook and some of these Facebook groups that are associated
in in the golf region, uh, particularly Florida. Um, you may
get you know, some of these experiences coming out that that may get lost
you know eventually, uh, you know, before it reaches uh the big
Foot Mapping project, because it's somebody saying, hey, I was I was
out in the in the in the ever Glades. We were hunting boas and
we had something, you know come up behind us, red eyes, you
know, given the whole description. But if they're not making that actual statement
too to somebody that could afford it to the big Foot Mapping Project, again,
it gets lost. And how many sightings are they're out there like that
that we may not be aware of or the wild hog people hmm, absolutely
right. One thing I think we forget is for us, it's four hours
out into the woods to find a spot that they are dwelling. To them,
it's like you just open your front door and there's a neighbor standing under
porch. So like a lot of times we have these sightings or we have
these areas where they're like, oh it took me two days to get into
the bush and dada done. I found this random out I know, alligator.
That's fine. There might be a hundred of them. Problem is that
it took you two days to get to him, and the other hundred may
still be around, but they're not gonna come out if they start noticing a
bunch of people just showing up in their yard, where they'll start spread.
Now, another thing we have to start, you know, really looking into
is home security has gotten more affordable and simpler for everybody, and exterior cameras
are now smart cameras are all over the place. I think I don't know
if you can go into a neighborhood anymore, not one person have a camera
somewhere place that you could see. Matt. You know this with Oh yeah,
absolutely in law enforcement and sometimes it's made things a lot easier to get
information that you need. I think it's only a matter of time before we
start getting some really interesting, compelling stuff from those footage. In fact,
I've been told by a few people they've seen some pretty interesting things. Just
reality is not everybody wants to put that stuff out there in the Internet,
and everybody wants to put that stuff out there, and I haven't seen anything
that has really been you know, compelling, But that doesn't mean somebody out
there doesn't have something, or someone doesn't have something they're holding onto or they've
missed it. Yeah, I have to tell you, not that people should
come rob me or anything, but nine times out of ten, you know,
I know what the the alerts and videos are around my property At what
time? If I get at two twenty three in the morning, my camera
goes off, I know because of other nights at two twenty three in the
morning, it's probably a cat that's you know, walking around set my cameras.
You know, I'm sure a lot of people get into that mindset and
they just start swiping through without really paying attention. They look at the thumbnail,
nothing looks out of the way, and they just get rid of the
photo or get rid of the video. You know, I you know,
got to challenge myself on that little more, and especially those folks that live
in more rules and we do, maybe start challenging that a lot more.
Let's start paying attention to those things and you happen to see it. You
know, you can always apported us report your sitting or encounter and info at
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going through my case studies and I'm going to break them down and put information
out there to folks that, you know, just haven't been able to get
that information before because I've never put it out there and since I was the
investigator. Without me, you don't have it. So so for those folks
that are interested in that, that'll be out there. You know, for
almost fifty minutes, we've talked about skunk apes and we haven't even gotten into
the meat of potatoes. So I think this is definitely worth another revisit here.
Soon we'll have the swamp apes Part two. We'll start getting into some
more modern reports. You know, we I think everybody knows the historical reports.
Your homework, guys for the next show is to go through some databases
and pool some of the reports that give you the heeb gbs, really give
you the make the hair on your next stand up. We'll talk about those
in the next program and or the next show we do this, and then
also some of the recent reports. And by the way, I've just sat
here for the last week and watch just about every documentary you can on swamp
apes, skunk apes, small town monsters, you know, Beyond the Trail,
the Outcast pair and normal Team Stacy Brown and Ryan RPG. They've got
their documentaries out there. There's a lot going on. Less Strout has got
an episode. Check them out. Go to YouTube, you know, google
your skunk ape and just start following the clicks. Guys, get lost and
get yourselves immersed in. You know. Yeah, it's popular, but I
don't think enough people talk about it to bring the data and the real really
good sightings to the forefront. Because everything I've seen have been okay, but
there's just done nothing that has, I don't know, really cranked me up.
That says, man, we got to get in a van and go
to Florida, mainly because there's big, big ass snakes and gaiters there and
I don't want to die people got in the van mound up in Florida.
Fair enough, fair enough? Any final thoughts, gentlemen the night. Yeah,
my final thought is, uh, I think anything is possible. That's
going on with the skunk gape, I really do. It could be it
doesn't have to be one thing, that's my thought. It doesn't have to
be one creature that's identify five as a skunk cape. It could be what
we talked about, chimpanzee, arranged tang and this undiscovered creature. It could
be, you know, a variety of different things that are seeing. I
just don't want to limit it to Oh, it's one thing, and that's
it. Fair enough, Bake. Um, just when you're out there,
enjoy the moment and keep going out there, sooner or later you'll see something
that sparked your interest and go from there. Matt, go ahead. I'm
gonna reiterate back what I said before. If you had an experience or especially
in the Florida in the Gulf Coast area, please send us an email,
UM, send a private message to to Sean or or any of us,
and uh, you know, we'll do our best to keep it confidential and
and uh we'd love to hear from you. Henry. Just don't give up.
That's all I have to say. Just don't give up. I mean,
if if you're on the trail of something, if you got a lead
on something, pursue it. Henry's telling me to keep your ass in gear
and go after these beasties once you see him in a safe manner. I
think that's great. I think all you gentlemen bring up good points tonight Again,
Vance, I like what you said. Why does it have to be
one thing? It doesn't I in the touch on what Matt said. I
know sometimes we take a kind of a hard nose, more skeptical approach to
things, but that's just to air on the side of caution. You report
to us. We take every witness statement in every story seriously, and you
have our utmost respect and thoughtfulness when we are investigating your claims. Absolutely,
it's I don't want you to think that, you know because we take a
hard line. We take that hard line with our witnesses. It's an actual
vilege for us to be able to investigate them, so don't be bashful about
sharing them with us. If we can't get to it, we'll get you
in touch with somebody we trust in that area to investigate it, you know,
for us, and report back, and we do if you do choose,
absolutely, we do keep you confidential the best we can. You know,
we don't really dive into specifics unless we have to, so anonymity is
always a thing. Guys, it's been a good show. That hour goes
by so quick. I think we need to budget more time on some of
these topics, but I guess we've announced. We'll hit the topic one more
time with the swamp swamp apes too, even more stinky coming up the next
show, and then we'll start moving on to some other things. Yeah,
we got a lot in the pipe, we really do so, folks,
thanks for listening. Uh, keep on squatching and Henry, go ahead and
take us out with those parting words. You'll be it'll be good at it.
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