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Hi, and welcome back to give
us more. I'm Leve, I'm Megan,

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and you were joining us for another
episode of Just Two Girlies. Anticipating

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fall in the middle of August.
I've been waiting for since it lasts left.

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I've been waiting for autum, since
I left Ireland. We do not

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get autumn here. We don't have
trees, so it doesn't change. I

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enjoyed my July and then it hit
August and I was like, cool,

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great, summer's over. It's not. They're still on the first of August.

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I went to work and I was
like, yay, it's the first

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of August. It's autumn. And
they were like, what the fuck are

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you talking about. It's still summer. Like August is summer? Like no,

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it is autumn. Ah ah August
ah, Tom it is. We're

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in the same Listen. Autumn may
not officially start until September, and it

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may be September, October, and
November, but August is an honorary autumn

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month. It is. And you
know what you feel autumn in your bones?

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You know you don't. It's not
buy some calendar. Anyways. This

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week I have a case for everybody
that's pretty recent and is somewhat still ongoing.

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And no it's not Lori Vellows,
that absolute demon, bitch cunt person.

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She got convicted, so at least
let her raw. Yeah, now

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we just have to wait for Chad's. Anybody I've ever heard of called Chad

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is kind of an asshole. M
Yeah, it's not going too well for

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the Chad's out there. Don't name
your kid Chad. And if you already

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have, ah fuck. So last
week Megan told us the story of your

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man's cult. Yeah, the weird
Alexander family. There's like incest, murder,

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everything, piano playing, playing whilst
murder and incest is happening. It's

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all going on at all. Ye, that was a super interesting case,

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just because cults are insane. Weird, Yeah, weird. So this week

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I'm going to tell you guys about
the Murder family and the murders that coincide,

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which no one family should have murderers
attached to their but any I watched

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like three episodes I think, or
like two and a half, Like I

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didn't finish it. I got about
halfway through of this documentary on Netflix,

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the one on there's only three episodes. I watched it and all yeah.

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I also watched the Sky one.
I think it was Sky Crime or something.

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It was on AM. I watched
that one too, which, it

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to be fair, was pretty much
the Netflix one. Like they had the

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same they had the same information really
but and they talked to like pretty much

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the same like people. So it's
a bit it's a bit wild, if

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I'm being completely honest. It is
like mob family meets small town meets Texas

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in Texas, isn't it. It
is South Carolina? Yeah, not Texas,

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but it's yeah, South How do
y'all we'll jump straight in. I'll

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start off, which is giving a
little bit of a backstory to the Murdoch

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family. So the Murdoch family was
an immensely powerful family in a small town

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of Hampton, South Carolina. Randolph
Murda Senior became a lawyer in nineteen twenty

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and set up his own law firm, which today is now known as Parker

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log Group. He then became the
prosecuting attorney for the Low Country, which

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is basically South Carolina, and then
like some of its neighboring towns and places,

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well no, not like yeah,
well it's like Hampton, and then

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it's like a few of its neighboring
small towns are known as the low Country.

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The Low Country consisted of Hampton and
thirteen of its surrounding towns. Okay,

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Randolph's oldest son Randolph, and they
all keep the same fucking names.

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So Randolph's oldest son, Randolph Buster
Murdah, took over as the prosecuting attorney

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in nineteen forty after his father died
in a car crash. Buster was then

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acting prosecutor until he retired in nineteen
eighty six. I'm sorry. If your

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lawyer is called Buster, you're going
to jail. Who's your attorney? Buster?

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Buster? Over here? Oh my
god, stop. I would make

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so many puns about how I got
busted, But now I have Buster be

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there all day. I'll be the
worst criminals if I had Buster. He

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was the prosecuting attorney for the Low
Country. Oh okay, so he's one

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of the good guys. So he
is good. But like his name is,

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they call him, well, Noah, his name is Randolph, but

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everyone called him Buster. So Buster
is acting prosecutor until he retired in nineteen

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eighty six. He was then succeeded
by his son, Randolph Murdoch, the

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third Randolph had four children with his
wife Elizabeth, Randolph Randy the fourth,

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Richard Alexander, alex and John Marvin. Look that's changed, all right,

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And then they had a daughter called
Lynn. Randy and Alex went on to

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law school and began working for the
family law firm. Alex soon married Margaret

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Maggie and the pair had two sons, Richard Alexander who is known as Buster,

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and Paul Terry Murdoch. This family
soon becomes famous for all of the

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wrong reasons. Scandal. It all
began in the summer of twenty fifteen when

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on July eighth, nineteen year old
Stephen Smith was found dead in the middle

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of the road in Hampton. Stephen
had died from blunt force trauma to the

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head. Stephen was a proud,
openly gay man, and he was studying

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to become a nurse. Stephen's death
was ruled a hit and run. However,

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there was some very unanswered questions.
I wonder why somebody would kill somebody

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like that in these small towns.
Again, an openly gay, proud man.

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It didn't take long for the investigation
to turn towards the Murdoch family.

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Stephen had been in the same class
in High School as Buster Murdoch. There

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were a few rumors that Stephen and
Buster were friends, and others that Stephen

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and Buster were seeing each other.
Shortly before his death, Stephen had told

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a friend that he was secretly dating
someone from a very powerful family from the

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town, and obviously this led to
speculation that it was Buster, because,

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to be perfectly honest, the Murdaser
like the most powerful family in the town

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at this time. Okay, I
got it, like I don't know the

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land Grab family in the sims I
see it. Sadly, Stephen's case went

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cold and Steven's murder has not been
solved. Buster Murda denies ever being in

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a relationship with Stephen and denies having
anything to do with the tragic debt.

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It has been rumored that Buster and
a few of his friends from the football

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team had met Stephen on the road
the night of the murder, and that

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they attacked him and then they staged
him in the middle of the road to

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make it look like a hit and
run. What do you believe? Well,

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Currently, as of current, police
are reopening the investigation and they are

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taking a further look into Buster Murda. So Alex Murdo and his dad,

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who is Buster Senior. Anytime Buster
Junior or Paul would get in trouble,

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Buster Senior and Alex would like immediately
bailed them out and like cover anything and

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everything up the night of the famous
boat accident, which we'll get into in

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a few minutes, they naturally call
nine one one first, like all the

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friends, and Paul is like,
no, call my granddad. Like his

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first top is call my granddad.
So I don't know whether he has anything

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to do with the murder, but
it was like a known secret, if

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you will. That Like whenever people
from the time talk about it, they're

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like, oh, you know,
they were definitely like secretly dating. Oh

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okay, So do we have anything
like that in our ten I don't think.

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We don't have any powerful families in
our towns. So, oh,

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there's definitely some families that like to
believe they're powerful. Oh there's families that

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like to believe they're powerful, but
they ain't. No. No. Tragedy

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stuck struck the family again on February
second, eighteen when their housekeeper, Glorious

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statter Field, fell down the steps
of the front of the house. Gloria

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was the housekeeper and the nanny to
the family for years, and it is

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said that she is the one who
raised Paul. On February second, thousand

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and eight, Paul and his mother, Maggie, called nine to one one

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claiming that Gloria had tripped over the
family dogs and fell down the front steps

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of the family home. Gloria was
taken to the hospital for multiple fractures in

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her ribs, a palmary contusion,
and a subdural hematoma. Jesus, A

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fall down like four flights of step, like four steps, that's pretty intense.

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She must if she did fall,
of course, that must have been

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a hard, hard fall, according
to medical staff. When Gloria was conscious,

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she was unsure as how she had
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she'd managed to fall down the stairs. So the question here is if she

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was the family's maid and nanny four
years like literally since Paul was like three

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years old, and at this stage
he's like twenty yeah, not even maybe

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eighty eight's isn't that like he's late
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How did she trip over the dogs? But she is so used to in

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her everyday life, Okay, to
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God blessed her beautiful soul. I
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time, just because she was one
of those dogs that wherever you turned,

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she was going to be behind you. So if you turned and went to

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walk, and if they're small dog, she was. I've definitely tripped up

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over small dogs before because they're like
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They're all like, I don't think, I don't think. I don't

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think they were small dogs. I
think they're like I can't fully remember what

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kind of dogs there, but to
my knowledge, they're like kind of like

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labrador like they'll be like, say, the size of labadors. Mhmm,

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that's really weird that we're talking about
dogs like dogs like, don't talk shit

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about my kind. They were mass
second causes three times removed. However,

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according to Alex, she had told
him that she had tripped like so Alex

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was like, oh no, she
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I was in with her. Ah, okay. Gloria contracted pneumonia while in

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hospital, and she sat and passed
away from a heart attack on February twenty

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six. That woman could not catch
your break. Holy fuck her heart.

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Obviously, cut and handle, the
pneumonia and the like healing of it,

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all the injuries. Gloria was only
fifty seven years old. Gloria's death has

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been reported as a trip and fall
accident and that she died of natural causes.

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However, no autopsy was ever conducted. A local coroner stated that the

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claim she died of natural causes was
improper. Alex Murder told Gloria's family that

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he was going to claim Gloria's death
on his insurance so that he could cover

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the hospital bills and the funeral.
It's reported that Alex won the insurance claim

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and won four point three million dollars
in the settlement. Despite this, Gloria's

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family never saw a scent. In
fact, they were unaware that the settlement

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had been made. Holy fuck,
they should sue. They should do it.

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They should sue, literally like pitch, what the hell? So we're

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just going to take a quick outbreak
here before we get into the nitty gritty

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and welcome back. Alex's youngest son, Paul, soon would bring the spotlight

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onto the family in twenty nineteen,
and not the kind of spotlight you want,

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oh, thanks Paul. On February
twenty third, two, nineteen,

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Paul Murdaugh and his friends were planning
on going to a party. Paul's best

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friend, Anthony Cook and his cousin
Connor Cook planned to go to the party

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with the girlfriends Mallory Beach and Miley
Altman with Paul and his on off girlfriend

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Morgan. They broke up and thought
a lot and you know young love.

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Paul bought everyone drink using his brother's
ID that evening and everyone agreed to meet

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at Paul's grandfather's boathouse as they needed
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get to wherever the party was.
They took Paul's boat and at around midnight,

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everyone decided that it was time to
leave the party. He's time to

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go home. You know, they're
all done, So Paul insists on driving

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this on driving the boat, despite
being quite drunk. On the way home,

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Paul pulled the boat into a duck
side bar and CCTV footage shows Paul

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going into the par into the bar
with Connor Cook and downing a couple of

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shots. Then you can see Paul
and Morgan having a disagreement over something and

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Paul's behavior became quite erratic and quite
aggressive and he was known to be aggressive.

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That's why he was breaking up with
the girlfriend and stuff. He was

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known for when he drank, having
like an alter ego, This angry,

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aggressive part of them would just come
out when he would get so drunk.

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He could have like two or three
drinks, fine, and he'd have the

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fourth drink and all of a sudden, he is just this completely different person.

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That's me. But my different person
is I just danced. I could

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so become a professional dancer. And
then it's like know, like if anyone

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was to ever send me a video, I'd be like please now, oh

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god. Okay. All of Paul's
friends said that they knew when he had

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entered this personality because he would stand
with his hands wide open, like you

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know, the way like you that's
gross. His hands would be like fingers

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white apart, still there with his
like arms out and why is that nightmare

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material you? He's entered the shadow
realm. That's like, yes, I'm

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gonna get you. You an anguish
with Paul. Okay, Paul, all

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right, we shouldn't laugh, but
it's funny. Not too we laugh at

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Paul. It's okay, he's grossed. Okay. Connor and Anthony begged Paul

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to let them drive, as they
felt that he was just not in a

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fit state to do so. Once
again, his hands were like fucking miles

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apart, and you know, and
they were like, look, listen,

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you've had too much to drink,
and like Connor and Anthony had also had

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drink, but they were just more
with it. M hm. And at

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this stage, everybody, Miley,
Morgan and Mallory like they all just want

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to get home. They're they're over
it. Like they're over it. They're

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getting a little frightened because of like
Paul's behavior and so like they're just like

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just we just want to get home. Yeah, you know, it's just

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like please. Paul became very angry
and insisted that he was driving because it

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was his both his boat, and
no one was to touch it. Connor

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had tried to kind of, so
what was happening was Paul was driving the

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boat and then he'd turn around to
have words with Morgan, and Connor would

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try make his way in to control
the boat, but then that would make

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Paul angry again and then he come
out, and you know, it was

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all just very stress levels would be
through the roof. Yeah, I can

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imagine it's already really stressful dealing with
somebody who is drunk in the first place,

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even if they're not aggressive, And
then on top of that, when

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they are aggressive and you're on a
fucking highest speed vehicle of any kind,

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that's really scary. After pushing the
trottle to full speed, Paul crashed the

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boat into a piling on the bridge
at Paris Island. Everyone was thrown from

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the boat. Connor suffered an injury
to his jaw. Morgan needed some of

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her fingers to be sutured as the
skin had been peeled back. Oh isn't

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that called de gloving? Yeah,
on two of her on two of her

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fingers. The skin was so they
had to like stitch the two fingers to

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I think they had to like suitor
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them. Yeah, yeah, Nine
one one was called when they all realized

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that Mallory was missing in the water. Police arrived and they had taken everyone

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to the hospital except for Anthony,
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God, and if I remember,
isn't there audio of him calling for

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her? So when you like,
at this stage, the police are here

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and they've called their parents, and
I think his parents have come down and

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they're trying to convince them to like
go to the hospital. Just he's like,

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he doesn't really have any major injuries, but of course he's been flung

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from a boat, like he needs
to be looked at. And he's like,

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no, I'm not going anywhere until
I find herd And you can also

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see him getting very mad at Paul, because Paul is so belligerent drunk that

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he doesn't even know what the fuck's
happening, and he's like, he's like,

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what is wrong with you? M
It didn't take long for the public

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to start volunteering in the search party
for Malorie. Police and volunteers searched up

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and down the water for eight days. On March third, twenty nineteen,

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two volunteers found Mallory's body had been
washed up on the banks, approximately five

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miles from the crash site. An
autopsy was performed and shown that Mallory had

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died from draining due to blunforced trauma
to the head. Oh God, which

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I know this sounds awful, but
most likely means that she was like knocked

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unconscious. It was literally thinking the
same thing, and I was like,

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should I say it like it is
like it wasn't aware of what was happening.

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well fingers crossed from what it sounds

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like him she like couldn't obviously naturally
breathe and so like, Hopefully that meant

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that she didn't she was unaware of
her drowning, which I know is still

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horrific, but at least she hopefully
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she wasn't scared, you know.
At the hospital the night of the accident,

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Paul's blood content level was point two
eight, which is three times the

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legal limit. However, due to
Paul being a miner at the time of

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the accident, the legal limit did
not apply. Oh stop it. Paul

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was being uncooperative with the police and
the nurses. He was waiting for his

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grandfather and his father to arrive,
and when Alex and Buster Senior arrived at

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the hospital, they tried to convince
Morgan and Miley to say that they didn't

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know who was driving the boat.
They did not. I thought Buster was

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one of the good Oh my god. They also asked Connor to say the

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same. The Murda's plan was to
say that Connor had been driving the boat

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when this is simply not true,
and Connor's injuries would prove this, and

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also the footage of them up on
the shore when he's like to Paul,

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what the fuck is your problem?
So if you look at Connor's injuries,

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he could not have obtained those injuries
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Yeah, he would have had to
been like someone analyzed it, and so

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for basically to have suffered those injuries, he would have had to been standing

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at the opposite end. They had
to sedate Paul to like look at him,

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to like check him out, because
he was just so out of it

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and so beligerent that he was like
being aggressive with the nurses and was being

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so uncooperative, like it was just
a mess. He clearly has issues with

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alcohol, that's a given. But
to even be that drunk, I don't

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think I've ever been that drunk where
of just disrespected people who are only trying

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to help me. Literally, I
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Paul was eventually charged with three felony
counts. These included boding under the influence

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and boding under the influence resulting in
a death. Good. Paul was never

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given a sobriety test at the crime
scene, and he was never once handcuffed.

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This led to a lot of people
accusing the police of giving Paul special

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treatment because of who he was.
Mallory's family accused Alex and Buster Senior of

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supply Oh No Sorry, accused Alex
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means to buy the alcohol despite him
being a minor. Connor filed a lawsuit

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against Paul and the murdaus, stating
that Alex had encouraged them to hire a

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lawyer a friend of his to help
Connor, with the intent of protecting Paul

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and having Connor take the fall.
So Alex went to Connor's family and was

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like, you might just need a
lawyer. Here, here's a number of

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a good friend of mine, because
obviously I can't represent news. But the

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whole plan behind this was that the
friend of Alex's would like fuck over Connor

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and his family and it would result
in Connor taking the fall. These people

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are going straight to hell. Paul
pleaded not guilty to three charges and was

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released on bond. His mug shop
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so he never went to jail.
We never got the full work up.

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Okay. No. Mallory's family filed
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the murders. They accused the family
of enabling Paul's drinking under age, which

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led to the death of their daughter. They also named the off license in

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the lawsuit for serving Paul because they
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Okay, well, they shouldn't have
served him, obviously, But at

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the same time, it's not directly
there. It's kind of indirectly their fault,

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but it's not their fault that he
got so drunk. My personal opinion

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on that is that they just added
the off license in there just out of

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anger, because it's you know,
they're just they're angry their daughter is dead

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at like eighteen years of age,
Like she's gone. Yeah, I probably

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do the exact same thing. But
I mean I see their reasoning in suing

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the off license. I do see
it. Yeah. Then on June seven,

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twenty twenty one, Alex Murda made
a call to nine one one and

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around ten or six pm, stating
that he had found his quote, wife

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and child been shot badly. I've
been up now it's bad end quote.

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I've been up now, as in
he's been up to the site the scene.

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Twenty two year old Paul and fifty
two year old Maggie had been shot

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by different guns multiple times by the
dog kennels on the Murdoch property. Alex

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told the police that earlier in the
evening he had gone for a quick nap,

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then when he woke up, he
got up and he went to see

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his mother and has dementia. He
stated that he saw neither Maggie nor Paul

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before heading over to his mother's.
He then said that he arrived home at

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around ten pm and found the bodies
at approximately ten or five pm. An

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autopsy was performed on Paul and Maggie's
bodies and this showed that Paul and Maggie

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had been murdered at around nine pm. Police quickly found a video on Paul's

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phone that he had taken the night
of the murder on Snapchat, and around

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eight forty five pm he was taking
a video and in the background you can

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hear Alex Murdov speaking. So this
poked a few holes in Alex's alibi.

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So Alex naturally became swiftly a person
of interest. A few months later,

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on September fourth, twenty twenty one, police received another nine one one phone

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call from Alex. This time he
was claiming that someone had tried to kill

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him. He had been shot in
the head at the side of the road

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near his home while changing at tire. Hold on, I'm so confused,

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I am so confused. So he
gets home, says, Okay, my

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wife and child are dead. At
what point did you say did he get

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shot? So? At ten?
Roughly at around five past ten past ten

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on June seven, twenty twenty one, Alex claims that he found his wife

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and his son shot murdered up by
the Now, their property is humongous,

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so the dog kennels are a good
distance away from the house and this is

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where he says that he found he
found them. So. A few months

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later, on September fourth, twenty
twenty one, police received another nine one

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one call from Alex saying that he
pulled over at the side of the road

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because he had to change attire and
someone came up and shot him in the

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head. It doesn't take long for
police to solve this mystery, Okay.

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He hired a man by the name
Curtis Smith to kill him in order for

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Buster Junior to inherit the ten million
dollar insurance that Alex had taken out on

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himself. But then why did he
call the police? Why? He didn't

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think Buster would win the claim if
he committed suicide, so he asked Curtis

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to assist in a suicide. On
September third, the day before he was

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quote unquote shot, Alex had resigned
from his family's law firm after he had

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been confronted by the shareholders for embezzling
money. Oh. Then on September sixth,

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Alex announced that he had a drug
problem. Oh and then he was

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going to go to rehab for his
oxycodem problem. So what Alex does is

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he hires this guy to shoot him
to assist in suicide. And your man's

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like, I guess sure, yeah, I think like shoots path like he

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shoots them, but not like he
like misses if you will. So he

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like the bullet just like grazes the
back of his head and he's like it

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didn't go to plan. So then
he's like fucking shit, and so then

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he calls. What people believe is
that what Alex was trying to do is

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set Curtis up to take the fall
for his wife and son's murder and make

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it look like he killed his wife
and son and then came back for him.

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Oh they really love setting people up, don't they not that this fucking

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other dude, this shooter guy is
an angel. He should have done it

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in the first place, but like
still. On September fourteenth, Curtis was

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arrested for assets for assisted suicide,
attempt and attempted insurance fraud. He was

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also arrested for the attempted murder of
Alex. Curtis denied being involved in a

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scheme to defraud any insurance companies.
Alex then gave Buster the power of attorney,

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which allowed him to sell off Alex's
assets. Buster then put the family

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home on the market for three point
eight million dollars, but a judge froze

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the assets before putting them into receivership, which meant that the assets assets were

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placed in the hands of a custodial. This was because police believed that Buster

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was attempting to hide the family's money
on behalf of Alex to help him with

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his embezzlement charges that were going to
be brought against him. Okay, so

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this is getting like like not confusing, but intricate, it's getting like technical.

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So shareholders of the law firm,
which is Alex's family law firm,

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which has been in the family since
nineteen twenty, Yeah, and they come

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to him for embezzling money and he's
like, I was high, i'mould just

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peace out. I don't know what, it doesn't matter, and then he

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goes to rehab and while he's in
rehab, like he hands over the power

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of attorney to his son so that
his son can start selling off their assets

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and start hiding their money so that
when they embezzle because he's like, they

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know so charges are soon to follow
m So he's like, you start getting

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rid of our assets, start getting
rid of the money, like start hiding

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it, and so that when they
come and knock and there's fuck all for

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them to find. But a judge
catches onto this, will police catch onto

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this, and then they go to
a judge. So a judge freezes the

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assets, which means that buster can
no longer sell them, and they're now

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in the custody of a custodial which
is like someone who's not related to the

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family, and they just allow they
just allow x amount of money, say

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every week or every month, to
cover like essentials such as bills and like

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your food shopping, right, okay, so like you're not allowed to touch

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anything what Britney Spears was in kinda
yeah, kinda. On the fourteenth of

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October twenty twenty one, Alex was
released from rehab and that same day police

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announced that Alex was a person of
interest in the murder of Paul and Maggie.

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He was arrested on embezzlement charges and
was placed on a seven million dollar

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bail, which he could not afford. He was then eventually charged with the

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murders of Maggie and Paul, and
the bail was revoked. On November fourth,

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twenty twenty one, a grand jury
brought three charges against Alex. One

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of these counts was the insurance fraud
attempt with Curtis. It soon became clear

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how much money Alex had actually been
embezzling from his clients. For years,

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Alex would take on clients to help
them with lawsuit cases, and then he

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would bezel majority of their winnings.
It is estimated that Alex embezzled over twenty

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million dollars. Oh my god,
I thought you were going to say two

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million there, and I was like, in the grand scheme of things,

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that's twenty million. He had taken
four point three million from his old housekeeper.

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Gloria and her family were not the
first victims. On November nineteen,

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twenty twenty one, Alex was indicted
four more times on another twenty seven counts

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of embezzlement. Then on December ninth, twenty twenty one, a further twenty

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one charges of embezzlement, and then
again on January twenty feet to twenty twenty

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two, another twenty three charges were
filed. Twenty Yeah, so we have

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twenty three charges in twenty twenty two, you have twenty one charges. December

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twenty twenty one and you have twenty
seven charges. Yeah, you've like twenty

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seven counts of embezzlement in November twenty
twenty one. Oh, he's going to

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jail. He's going to prison.
Popped up. On March third, twenty

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twenty three, Alex was sentenced to
life from prison for the murders of his

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wife and son. Alex is still
awaiting trial for his embezzlement charges. As

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they're pretty pretty sure they're still racking
up all of their ship. Following the

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news of Alex's conviction, police announced
that they were reopening Stephen Smith's murders,

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and Buster still denies any involvement in
this. Yeah. Then, recently,

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Alex admitted to lying about Gloria tripping
over the family dogs. Stop it.

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He claimed she tripped over the dogs
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So how did she actually die,
We don't know. He never actually

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went into detail. He just was
like, oh, yeah, no,

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that was just so I could claim
the insurance on her death. God,

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what a fucking scumbag. There's a
theory that Paul or Maggie pushed her and

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she tripped. That's how she then
like tripped over the dogs and fell down

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the stairs, or that there was
no dogs at all and they just they

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pushed her and she like just fell
that like they reckon that. It wasn't

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intent to kill her. M hm. So in the nine one one call,

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Maggie originally is on the phone and
she's like, my housekeeper fell down

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the stairs, and she's getting all
flustered on the phone, and then you

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00:35:40.679 --> 00:35:44.840
can hear Paul in the background going
mad, and then he's like, give

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me the phone. Oh, okay, and then he's like, let me

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talk to them, right, and
then he's like, my nanny fell down

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the stairs, she tripped over the
dogs, and he's real cam when he's

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talking to the operator. Yeah,
he's like he changes up. So people

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think that maybe somebody accidentally pushed her, or you know, they were having

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a ray or they were having a
fight or whatever it was. Police found

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00:36:13.039 --> 00:36:17.639
a shit ton of drugs in the
house under Alex Murder's bed when he was

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like, ahmy or may not have
an actually code own problem, so I'm

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gonna go rehab real quick. His
son fell off the assets. So why

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did he kill his wife and son? It's a little bit unclear, do

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you reckon they knew too much?
Him and his wife are actually separated.

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Oh, he wasn't actually living in
the house at the time, what and

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he was He asked if he could
come over for dinner that night or that

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evening or something, and Maggie was
just like, fucking sure or whatever,

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00:36:53.800 --> 00:36:57.800
don't give a shit, do what
you want kind of a thing, because

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I think he was like, I
want to see my son or you know,

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yeah, yeah, because everybody wants
to hang out with Paul fucking moron,

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and she's just like, yeah,
sure, cool. So from what

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00:37:10.599 --> 00:37:15.800
I remember, it's like he killed
them. It's a bit unsure, but

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I think one theory is like he
kills them because like Paul's going to prison,

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Like Paul's gonna go to prison for
sure for killing like over Mallory's death,

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and it just brought too much limelight
on the family. So he's kind

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of like, well, now they're
going to start and because he's been in

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00:37:31.920 --> 00:37:38.000
bezzling fucking twenty million dollars, Yeah, if you did very much, did

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00:37:38.039 --> 00:37:44.400
that at least twenty million at least, So it's kind of like he's like,

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00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:46.239
fucking shit, you don't ask,
like, watched you that? For

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00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:52.599
now they're going to start investigating this
whole goddamn family. Yeah, that's all

434
00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:55.840
kinds of fucked up. Yeah,
so it's like, m I'll kill them

435
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and make it look like someone came
and killed us and then maybe please will

436
00:38:01.199 --> 00:38:07.360
back off. And it's fucking oxy
oxyde brain. He's like, yeah,

437
00:38:07.480 --> 00:38:10.039
good idea. Yeah, it's a
great idea. I am so smart.

438
00:38:10.360 --> 00:38:15.719
Go Alex Woo. Who what happens
to the guy who shot the gun?

439
00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:20.239
Then? Did he get arrested and
jail. Yeah, he got he got

440
00:38:20.280 --> 00:38:23.159
he went to jail. He got
convicted, which like, you almost killed

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00:38:23.199 --> 00:38:29.960
somebody. So yeah, like I
was going to pay him. Probably wasn't

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00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:32.079
going to pay him anything, because
the whole theory is that he was just

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00:38:32.119 --> 00:38:37.519
setting among fall for the murders,
and so it was like, yeah,

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00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:42.000
oh, totally pay you. Yeah, I'll do that when I am dead.

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00:38:42.199 --> 00:38:49.199
Like what this whole thing is very
convluted, Like I'm just like what,

446
00:38:49.199 --> 00:38:55.000
what the actual fuck? He used
to like take on cases where like

447
00:38:55.320 --> 00:39:01.360
you like you'd be suing a company
for something, and he'd be like,

448
00:39:01.400 --> 00:39:04.800
I'll take that. I'll help you
win that, and then he wins it.

449
00:39:04.840 --> 00:39:08.039
And then what he would do is
they would win and he would say

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that the money is going to be
large through this fund, which is a

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00:39:13.880 --> 00:39:16.119
real fund. I can't remember the
name of it for the life of me,

452
00:39:17.000 --> 00:39:21.119
but it's a real life fund that
like when you win a lawsuit,

453
00:39:21.159 --> 00:39:25.079
your money goes through it goes through
this process in this fund, this account

454
00:39:25.159 --> 00:39:30.880
or whatever. But what he did
was he set up an account with the

455
00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:38.039
same name, oh Star. So
then you would get your letter to tell

456
00:39:38.079 --> 00:39:42.440
you that your money has been placed
in this fund and you will receive your

457
00:39:42.440 --> 00:39:45.960
winnings in X amount of days or
whatever, and it would be the name

458
00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:52.199
of the actual company that would do
this, and you're black right, grand

459
00:39:52.239 --> 00:39:58.239
thanks, But it was actually going
into ball fucking backcount. And what would

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00:39:58.239 --> 00:40:01.800
happen when the money never came.
I think he would give them like X

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00:40:01.840 --> 00:40:06.880
amount of it, like he would
like he would split it like seventy thirty.

462
00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:09.239
Do you know he'd be given them
thirty percent of it, and he'd

463
00:40:09.280 --> 00:40:17.679
be like, taxes men, fucking
taxes, you know, yeah, or

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00:40:19.000 --> 00:40:22.880
my salary. I'm sure he was. I don't know. I'd say he

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00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:24.320
claimed some of it. I'd say
he was like, oh no, this

466
00:40:24.440 --> 00:40:30.440
was to cover my fees, but
like he'd probably already been paid. Yeah,

467
00:40:30.599 --> 00:40:34.960
this was court fy xyz head or
something x y's head. And then

468
00:40:35.079 --> 00:40:38.719
taxes and then like he was lying
to them about the amount that actually had

469
00:40:38.760 --> 00:40:43.480
to be paid, and then like
they'd come out with less than what they

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00:40:43.599 --> 00:40:49.159
won. And meanwhile, fucking Alex
murders away with his twenty million, with

471
00:40:49.360 --> 00:40:59.119
his fucking massive mansion house like a
giant land creepy Scalore, creepy Sons Buster

472
00:40:59.280 --> 00:41:02.039
Junior is still out living his life
talks to his dad and dad on the

473
00:41:02.079 --> 00:41:07.920
regular. It's like, he killed
your mom and of course you're fooling nobody,

474
00:41:08.320 --> 00:41:10.920
and the fact that he'd done it
with two different guns as well,

475
00:41:10.920 --> 00:41:15.119
trying to make it look like there
was two different people. You're not flick.

476
00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:19.280
He killed your mom and your brother
and you're just like, hey,

477
00:41:19.400 --> 00:41:24.199
dad, yeah, has prison going, has prison life? Have you seen

478
00:41:24.280 --> 00:41:30.039
him? They're also ugly, Paul
especially, and like you're one body dated.

479
00:41:30.480 --> 00:41:35.159
It is so pretty. She's beautiful
and like she's in the interview and

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00:41:35.199 --> 00:41:38.119
she's like I was just so like
I couldn't believe like he wanted to go

481
00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:43.360
out with me, and I'm like, no, you're worth girly. Did

482
00:41:43.400 --> 00:41:57.440
you see him? Fucking wide fingers? Stop you any littles. That's the

483
00:41:57.480 --> 00:42:02.079
wild roller coaster of the murdoph family
and multiple murders. Yeah, that's all.

484
00:42:02.199 --> 00:42:06.440
There were a family that thought they
were a family that thought that they

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00:42:06.480 --> 00:42:09.960
could get away with literally they thought
they were bigger than the law. Even

486
00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:15.880
Alex's mugshot, he literally looks like
an evil being. He looks like a

487
00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:20.320
cartoon character, the villain. He
looks like the villain from Roger Rabbit.

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00:42:20.639 --> 00:42:22.559
Oh. Then I just googled villain
Roger Rabbit. It's a guy in a

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00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:30.760
hat. Oh my god, what
is that? You? Okay, Alex

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Murder anyway or running at a time. We really hope you enjoyed today's episode.

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like, that's still our website.
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is. It's just different looking like
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on the website right now, I
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