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Welcome to episode fifty eight of Get
Out Alive, a podcast where me your

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host Ashley every other week tells you
new animal tag story and me or the

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host Nick uh just kind of listens
along and tries not to make too much

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with any I am shocked you did
not say a shark fact just now.

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Okay, Well, I wanted to
introduce the fact that we're talking about sharks

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before I start bringing up facts.
Okay, because for the past twenty minutes

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I've been trying to record this podcast
and Nick has been like, did you

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know the shark tiger sharks like minua
through sharks tip coacter sheeting and did you

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know that? Yes, We've talked
about it. Okay, Well, I

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just want to make sure. Sorry, I'm just trying to try to be

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a good co host, like my
bad. Did you know that they're usually

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found in tropical waters? Nick,
what's the website that you're reading these facts

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off of? A cool kid facts
dot Com, which, if I am,

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I am of the utmost cool kids
in the world, So I think,

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I mean, is pretty good grow
website. Yeah. We also okay

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spoiler, this episode's about sharks.
We also have was it shark Fest?

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Yeah? We have Sharkfest on yeah, from National Geographic at the moment on

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my TV. Yeah, Nat Geo. Shark Fest is currently going on as

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we're recording this. This episode won't
come out until Discovery Shark Week, so

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we actually planned it to be around
when shark stuff is happening this time.

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If Shark Week sucks us here and
be very upset, yeah, and I'm

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going to be playing very close attention. I haven't like been into Shark Week

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for a while. I really want
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Yeah, especially because I mean this
is first of all, our anniversary for

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this podcast was on Friday. No
shit, yeah two years. How did

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we not even talk about that?
I just didn't come up. And then

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Josh Are, the guy who made
our intro music, called me. It

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was like, hey, happy anniversary, and I was like, for what,

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we just talked bout the last episode, so yeah, I know,

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and he was like, your anniversary
for the podcast. I was like,

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oh cool, thanks, and I
forgot to say anything to you about until

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that was two years. Yeah,
happy, two years we did this and

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we finally are covering Shark Week as
it's happening. So when did we do

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it last time? We didn't know, but I mean our last Shark episode

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like was just like randomly like,
well, the last time we talked about

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sharks was our wrap up of twenty
twenty two. Oh, that's right,

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the uss Indiabolist episode was quite controversial
last time we did that. So we're

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gonna try and avoid anything that was
on Patreon. Yeah, oh was on

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Patreon a Patreon episode. Oh yeah, we don't need to go into that

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one. No, And then we
obviously did an interview with Jada which was

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episode twenty two titled The Most Misunderstood
Fish with Jada Elcock. So definitely if

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you haven't listened to that, give
that a listen because it has great shark

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information from a actual professional and not
just us. Yeah we are not professionals.

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Yeah, and you can learn more
about minorities and shark sciences, which,

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believe it or not, that Geo
and Discovery don't do it like a

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whole lot of a whole lot of
white people. It's a lot of white

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people. Yeah, we just saw
one show or no, I was,

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oh my god, YouTube clar but
like the girls in the shows, I

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think, yeah, this is this
girl god ocean, what's her name?

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Her name was obviously changed her name
to Ocean. You know this out directly

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though, right Like, I feel
like that's a little No, she definitely

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changed her name to She moved to
Hawaii to swim with sharks, says that

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she's conserving them by swimming with them
and touching them, and renamed herself Ocean.

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I don't even have a problem with
like her living or like living the

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way that there's an interview shoot them
with like good Morning America or some ship

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and it was just like it was
it seems like it was a fake human.

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The biggest shark I've ever seen.
Yeah, it was crazy. No,

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yeah it was. It was rough. Anyways, this isn't about tiger

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canlas themselves. How nick they got
stripes? How do the stride them in

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the jungle like a tiger? That's
how you got their name the jungles of

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the Ocean classic. Also, as
we're recording, like talking right now,

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there are orcas on the television that
are killing sharks. It looks like they're

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actively trying to kill a whale shark. So if you would like to learn

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more about how orcas kill sharks for
their livers, check out our orc episode

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that was a few episodes ago.
It's good one. Yeah, we have

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talked about sharks quite a bit.
I guess we have. Yeah, So

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so to get right into it,
obviously, like we've been talking about the

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week this episode comes out will also
be the middle of Discovery Channel Shark Week,

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and this year will be the thirty
fifth Shark Week, which I didn't

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realize it was happening before we were
born, but I guess it was.

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Damn. Yeah. Yeah, we're
not thirty five. No, we're not.

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Yeah, but this year we will
be not We're we are alive,

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yes, but we won't be thirty
five even close. No, we're going

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to be twenty. I don't know
something. I think I'm going to be

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twenty seven. Sure. Yeah.
So this year, Shark Week is being

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hosted by Steve Rowin. He's dead. We've talked about him. Yeah,

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damnit, that would have been a
good one. No, Jason Momoah,

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I did see that. I did
see that. So obviously I took some

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notes on Jason Momoa because I was
I was like, I love him so

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much. Aqua Man's hosting Shark Week, yeah, which I honestly, the

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more I learned about him, I'm
like, huh, how fitting Oh no,

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he's like a legit like ocean dude, let's talk about it. So,

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in the summer of twenty twenty two, Jason Momoa was designated the UN

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Environment Programs u n EP Advocate for
Life Below Water. And he also has

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worked with Sustainable Coastlines Hawaii that cleans
up Hawaii coastlines and a company or organization

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I guess called Repurpose Global which empowers
businesses to act on plastic pollution and they've

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cleaned up over sixteen million kilograms of
nature bound plastic. Wow damn yeah.

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And so when he was given this
designation by the UNEP, he said,

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quote with this designation, I hope
to continue my own journey to protect and

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conserve the ocean and all living things
on our beautiful blue planet for our generation

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and the generations to come. And
quote for me, the ocean is an

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ancient teacher, a guide in a
muse It is also existential. Without a

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healthy ocean, life on our planet
as we know it would not exist end

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Quote. Yeah, wasn't he like
Baywatch or some shit when he was really

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young? Isn't some fucking like beach
TV show? When he was in his

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twenty I don't remember, but probably
he's really good before yeah, before he

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got Sean Thrones, Oh my god, an Aquaman? Well, Aquaman's kinds.

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Yeah, I'll say Amberhard's in it, so that's like a whole thing.

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Who's that Johnny Depp and Amber Heard? I know Johnny Depp Amber heard

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speak. Would you say they're doing
a new Willy Wonka? Yeah, but

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Amberherd was the girl he went to
trial with. Remember that, no idea.

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You didn't hear a word about the
Johnny Depp and Amber Heard trial?

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Do you really not? Do you
go outside? Do you need to act

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with the world at all all the
time? I don't. You never heard

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about Johnny Depp and Eber heard?
That sounds a prestiety situation. I don't

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know. All right, Okay,
what did I say? Song? Anyways,

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I just want to take a moment
to recognize Jacement because what other chance

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we're gonnaver going to talk about him
on this podcast. You will find many

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I will try to insert him in
this podcast somehow. But anyways, let's

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talk about the Shark week lineup,
because of course it's ridiculous. So as

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prep for this episode, of course, like many otherisodes, I listened to

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an episode of Ologies with Ali Ward. Funny story, we saw a dude

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that was all in a for episode, the guest that she talks to,

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Chris Lowe in that episode on Sharks. Like, as we were talking about

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it, we looked on the TV
and he was on TV Forernatgio Shark Fest

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was like walked in. You're like, I know that guy. Yeah,

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he is the shark guy. Yeah. So anyways, they were talking about

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like the fact that Shark Week.
I don't know if it was ever super

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educational, but it's become ridiculous.
And there was one show on it a

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few years ago about the megalodon but
they were like, it's doula, the

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megalodon could be real. Well was
was real, but and then everyone was

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like this is bullshit and they were
like, oh yeah, no, that

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was clearly a joke. But it's
the same as the Mermaid thing. Even

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when I don't know when it like
how old I was when it came.

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I was like fourteen, I was
really were in high school? Yeah,

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me too. It was like like
something kind of like oh cool, they're

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gonna like kind of show some evidence
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primates out there. All right,
cool. Yeah, that just wasn't it

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at all. It was no as
like bigfoot finding mission. Yeah, which

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is a lot of what Shark Week
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It just feels fake. It's it
feels so fake. Although I will say,

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like the shark fast that we've been
watching, we watched one show where

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they showed the biggest great white that
they've ever found in Hawaii, and honestly,

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it was like kind of nice because
they were so excited and there wasn't

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a lot of like dun dun,
you know. Yeah, and she was

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like just chilling. Yeah, she
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So she was there for the dead
whale and she the shark went up

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to the boat and she was like
touching it and they're like, oh,

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she probably thinks that this is like
a chunk of the dead whale. And

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it wasn't like she's trying to kill
us. That was a different episode,

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different shark. No, it wasn't. This was that was the other eighteen

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foot shark. That was the never
before seen one. That's what I'm talking

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about. No, deep Blue was
known for a long while. Deep Blue

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was like a famous one that tagged
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that, and then that other one, the other eighteen foot shark, was

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a different shark. Yeah, that's
what I'm talking about. Yeah, then

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there's a lot of big sharks out
there anyways. So here's the lineup of

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Shark Week. And obviously, like
this is coming out the Wednesday during Shark

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Week for Discovery. So some of
the shows I'm gonna talk about will have

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aired, but as we're recording this, they haven't aired yet, which is

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weird. I'm gonna try and stay
on track. Okay, So the first

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one and these are this is not
like an all encopassing list. This is

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just like the interesting, ridiculous ones
that I thought were worth mentioning. So

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first one on Sunday, Belly of
the Beast Feeding Frenzy is a show that

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we'll have scientists inside a decoy whale
carcass ass being fed on by great whites

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in South Africa. This is a
show, right, No, sous,

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You're very bad idea, thank you, because we were just like we were

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just talking about, we were watching
show that had a great white feeding on

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a whale carcass and they're gonna be
inside of one, we are currently watching

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Sharks versus Dolphins Blood, Starks versus
Dolphins Blood. What a fucking title.

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Yeah, these are very like click
baity. Yeah, yeah for sure.

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And then there's on Sunday Jaws versus
the meg Oh my God, which claims

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that great white sharks cause Megalodon extinctions? Uh do you think that to be

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true? Well, you know what, Nick will have to watch it and

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find out it will be super accurate. I am very sure of that.

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I mean it's Discovery like they only
do facts. And then on Tuesday there's

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make O Mania Battle for California exploring
quote super makos off the coast of Los

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Angeles. What do you think makes
up a super Makos? Like the size

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or yeah, big, big,
big hours. You know what? It

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might all the tune in. Yeah, all the pollution in California is irradiating

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the sharks and making them cooler.
We will talk about California sharks more later

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on. I'm excited. And then
the night that this episode comes out at

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nine pm Eastern Standard Time, there's
Florida Shark Blood in the Water and the

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episode description was quote to conduct experiments
that will confirm what makes these day just

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waters and determines methods to mitigate the
risk. That sounds so like generic and

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basic. It's like Whire's Florida's Waters, dangerous wire sharks. Here, there's

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a thousand things before that can kill
you, Like yep, I don't know,

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okay that it might not be a
great shark okay. And then the

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biggest one, Oh no, the
night that this episode comes out at ten

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pm, there is cocaine shark.
No fucking way they're cocaine cocaine shark.

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Here's the episode description. For decades, rumors of cocaine fueled sharks have been

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whispered throughout the fishing community. Shark
expert Tom Hurd travels to the Florida Keys

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to investigate what happens when the sharks
coming in contact with the most notorious drug

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on the planet. They probably just
die. Yep, like that are nothing.

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Maybe I like cocaine sharks. I
don't know what they're trying to prove

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here, Like it makes crazy,
but like no, they're trying to pick

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back off cocaine era, which everybody
is. Isn't there like a cocaine and

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gator coming out or something like that, croque or meth gator. Yeah,

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meth gator. Meth Gator. No, that would be a Florida thing,

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Like that's where we need to be
watching O meth gator. Oh god,

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see it sucks because, like I
feel like all the half decent educational shit

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that is on Discover for Shark week
now it's from like two thousand and two.

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Yeah, yeah, it all sucks. Okay, last one Thursday,

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this is actually I think it gonna
be a good one Thursday, the twenty

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seven, there's an interesting episode with
Forest Galante I like him, yeah,

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titled Shark versus Snake Battle of the
Bites, and the description is quote,

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tiger sharks are washing up dead on
the beaches of Western Australia with no sign

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of attack. Forest Galante has a
theory that deadly sea snakes are turning these

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apex predators into pray. I think
that sounds interesting. I will I will

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only give it any credibilit because it's
forced if like this was if they just

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put this out there without forced nam
on it, or like, okay,

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well this is fucking stupid. Maybe
it's because you know the water's reaching one

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hundred and point degrees, but whatever, Yeah, and so Forrest go.

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livers. That's off. They're doing
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Australia. But anyways, either way, So if you don't know Forrest Galante,

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he has had a few shows on
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is known for discovering or like rediscovering
species that we've declared extinct, like the

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tortoise in the Galopkos. He was
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He also has a podcast called Wild
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It's yeah, I used to listen
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pretty bro podcast. If that's it's
very bro. But it's like nature BROI

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yeah, and like he's like a
legitimate biologist and he actually talks about his

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experiences with like filming Shark Week and
stuff like that, and he talks about

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how ridiculous it can be and how
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where he's like this is so cool
and they're like, no, you

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got to go back and like,
you know, make it crazy, be

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like more in danger. Yeah,
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do on their podcast, So they
have people like send in evidence of like

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thoughts to be extinct creatures, and
they analyzing how I talk about whether or

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not they think it's credible. I
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we haven't recorded it yet, but
it's coming. Our next bonus episode

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is going to be on de extinction. I'm very excited me too. We're

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gonna talk about the megalodon. Do
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mention. Oh yeah, we will, but like, yeah, we don't

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have to go like super new.
There's plenty of other interesting things. There's

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so much other shit going to the
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kind of ahead. What are we
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mean just in general. Why is
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that'll be good. I'm really excited
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some books and stuff for it.
So I'm still reading the twelve interesting tiger

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stark facts found on cool Kid Facts. Give us one more, Nick,

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Oh again, this is a tiger
shark list. This is fact number three.

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Tiger sarks are aggressive. Wow.
I know this is breaking news.

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This is pretty crazy and this is
a good website. Speaking of bonus episodes,

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you can join us on patreon dot
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you can get bonus episodes. I'm
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just gonna ask you that, dude, I don't think no fucking idea.

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So I probably looked at it like
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going, and I used work on
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you're like, well, I'm like, I've gone nowhere. I have literally

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no fucking idea what I'm doing.
So we're still working on working on that.

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Yeah, So let's go over some
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So I found, first off,
conflicting information shocking on how many reported shark

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attacks have occurred this year. So
Time Magazine reported in a July seventh,

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twenty twenty three article that thirty seven
people worldwide have been attacked so far,

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six of which were fatal. And
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which reported as of July sixth,
that there have been forty two shark

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bites on humans this year, and
seven of which were fatal. So trackingsharks

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dot Com says that so far,
eleven bites have occurred in Florida in the

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US, obviously, eleven have occurred
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in New York, and one in
South Carolina. And two of these bites

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were provoked. So there's like a
lot of these that are in the United

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States. Yeah, fun fact the
United I don't know if we've ever I'm

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sure I've said at some point,
but the United States is the shark attack

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capital of the world. No shit, Yes, I had no idea.

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Yep. Oh cool, cool,
So woo fucking with the animals? What

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we get? So let's continue with
the Time magazine article because I see them

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as like a more reputable source and
they had some pretty good statistics. So

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Time Magazine has pointed out that there's
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nineteen fifty and twenty twenty, with
a peak of one hundred and eleven incidents

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in twenty fifteen around the world.
Damn. But when you calculate that,

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so like the actual rate of shark
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people in the world, back in
nineteen fifty there were two point five billion

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people, and as of twenty twenty
three, there's over eight billion. How

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the fuck did we blow up that
fast? People be fucking people. Be

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fucking So actually, the rate of
shark attacks per how many humans there are

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in the world in nineteen fifty was
point zero one two attacks per million people,

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and as of twenty it was point
zero one per million people. I

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never really understood how you can put
like status like that, like on the

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rate of attacks, because not everyone
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Like I feel like the population around
like places that sharks are would make more

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sense, like we don't need an
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hard to calculate this because not everyone
goes in the water, and you don't

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know how often people are in the
water and like for what periods of time,

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what times a day, so like
these stats are really hard to calculate,

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which makes sense. But so yeah, as of nineteen fifty it was

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point zero twelve per million people,
and then as of twenty twenty it was

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point zero ten per million people.
So the raid's actually gone down if you

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like, consider how many people are
alive today. Oh yeah, yeah,

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big time. Well we'd also probably
kill a lot more sharks yep, yeah,

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big ten. So now, a
professor by the name of Christopher Neff

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at the University of Sydney claims that
there's such a thing as the Jaws effect,

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and the movie Jaws came out in
nineteen seventy five, and although shark

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attacks had already been in decline years
before the movie came out, in nineteen

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seventy seven, shark attacks on humans
worldwide hidden all time low of three point

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zero eight attacks per billion people.
Yeah, and Professor Neff believes the psychological

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terror that the movie caused actually caused
some people to stay out of the ocean,

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which could have lowered attacks. So
that's like, it wasn't even the

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fact that the sharks aren't atacking people
anymore, it's people aren't going in the

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water because they're a fit of sharks. Holy shit. Well, Also,

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like I don't know how you could
prove that unless you go back and interview

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anybody, like everything, Are you
staying on the water because you're a fad

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of sharks? But I mean,
even today, how many people do we

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know? Like I know so many
people that won't go in the ocean or

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in murky water because they're afraid.
Is it because of sharks? Though in

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the ocean, yes, you think
so. The people I know that don't

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want to go in the ocean.
It's literally because of sharks. That's so

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weird. Yeah, I know.
Well, also, guys, can we

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talk about the fact that when you
go to the beach, the best part

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is going in the ocean. I
will like one of the first things I

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do and get to the beach the
soul Yeah, full sprints of the water,

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just like do a flip into it. Yeah. I've been to the

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beach really in years because no one
wants to go swimming with me. Besides,

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they compare. I mean, we
never go to the beach though.

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I don't. I really don't care. I hot take. I don't want

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to see in the sun for eight
No, I'm white and I burn,

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you burn vapor. Yeah, okay, So anyway's back to sharks. So

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this Jaws effect was discussed a bit
in the Ologys episode with Sharks with Doctor

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Crystlow that we mentioned, which I
will link at the episode description, and

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he says people like to feel scared
because it gives you adrenaline, which is

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like happy juice for your brain,
and the messaging from a movie like Jaws

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can be really powerful. But also
that's why Shark Week exists and why it's

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not all educational programming because people want
to be scared, so they make more

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money and more people watch if it's
scary and not just educational. I mean

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I know the stats behind it,
though, I know how unlikely it is

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to get attacked by a shark.
So just again, we live in New

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England, so it's not really we're
not super concerned about the attacked by a

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shark in New England. But if
you live like Australia, I'm sure it's

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a different story. Actually, what
I've learned is that case Cod in Massachusetts

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is like the stranding capital of the
US for marine animals. Ah. Sometimes

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I think a woman was bitten in
the past few years off Cave Cod in

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the past few years, you know, in Florida exactly, compared to like

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newsmyre and a beach like well,
also it depends on what kind of shark

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we're talking about. Yeah, so
we'll get into that. But essentially my

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point here is like fear cells and
that's why true crime is such a big

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business, and frankly, that's like
half the reason that we're here. Like

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not that it's not saying that,
like you all like to hear people being

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attacked by animals, but like it's
the fear and the adrenaline of like,

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oh my god, that happened to
somebody. Yeah, but hopefully in our

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case, you will take information away
that will make you less scared. That's

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what we're trying to do. That's
what we're trying to do. And this

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is something that Jada really tried to
hit home with people in our episode with

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her, is that we need more
communication about sharks and not centered around them

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attacking people and things like shark We
should be less clickbaity like sharks do all

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things blood bath, shift blame off
the sharks and onto another animal orcus stingrays.

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Honestly, I want to shift blame
blame the sting rays. A lot

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of people don't like sting rays because
of steverwin correct. Yeah, Hey,

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they didn't do anything wrong either,
Okay, Nah, they get to smoke

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on site, don't fucking matter.
Also, like they I feel I am

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more worried about stingrays if I'm going
in like chocolate artists than sharks because they're

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in shallow water, Like you don't
see them until you do the sting rays

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shuffle and then you get fucking stabbed. Yeah. Yeah, but also the

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odds of like a sting ray stabbing
you in the heart is like, oh

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that, I'm incredibly low, like
not really worried about that. Yeah,

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that's a different story, all right. So I feel like I've been pretty

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light on the scientific studies in recent
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that kind of hard. I like
it cool. Great. In a twenty

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twenty one study titled North Pacific Warming
shifts the juvenile range of a Marine apex

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predator, co authored by doctor Chrislow, who's in the Ologies podcast, they

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began researching why there was an unprecedented
amount of white shark sightings in Monterey Bay

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in California in twenty fourteen. In
the following years. Before twenty fourteen,

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seeing juvenile white sharks in Monterey Bay
was extremely rare or unheard of. But

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following a warm mass of water known
as the Pacific warm Anomaly or the blob

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Oo, small white sharks were spotted
in the area. Did you ever hear

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about this because you were in California
at that No, that was right before

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you were in there. I never
heard about that. Okay, So this

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was concerning for a few reasons.
Number One, the sharks were spotted very

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close to human activities in waters close
to shore. Two it threatened local fisheries

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that did not have to deal with
this predation from juvenile white sharks before.

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And three it had other implications for
species in the area, such as sea

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otters, who in this area had
not lived around these juvenile sharks before.

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But as of twenty twenty one,
sea otter strandings with bites from sharks was

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the greatest source of mortality facing the
otters. Wow, yeah, that's actually

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a big deal. And note that
I said strandings, as in like the

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sharks would do an investigatory bite on
an otter which would end up killing or

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maiming it, but they didn't eat
them. Ye, escape on some land.

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Yeah, yeah, of course the
order would escape onto land. No,

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it's either like the sharp biting and
killed because otters are small and like

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well yeah, I mean seats are
like large relatively, or they would like

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fatally wound it and then it would
just like strand on shore, but they

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would bite them and closse Yeah,
because obviously otter for very different from seal

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fur. I'm surprised to hear that, like these animals aren't used to being

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around great waists because like In my
mind, I imagine Monterey Bay as like

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a great white capital juvenile so only
okay, so it's only adults that really

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hunt, yes, normally, yes, Because so the reasoning was like there

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are seals in that area, like
sea lions, so the bigger sharks would

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go eat those, but the smaller
sharks had been more southern and would eat

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smaller prey items. So to me, the reason that this has like worse

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implications is because they're not as experienced. Yeah, that would make sense.

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So they're juvenile sharks that are doing
investigatory bikees to trying to figure out what

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food is, and that's kind of
the issue when they're around humans because like

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we've talked about a large source of
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bites, but their giant mouths bite
are fleshy sec Yeah. And the point

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me also mentioning this was climate change
is real and is affecting species as we

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speak. So as the ocean worms, you will start to see species in

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places they have not been before,
like these juvenile sharks in Monterey Bay,

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and sharks and places they haven't historically
been in before or haven't been in before

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in large numbers. Could impact the
amount of human shark conflicts that we see

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in the future. Shit, yeah, so things to keep in mind.

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I mean, like there's been orcas
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and I don't know how normal that
is. I have no idea.

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I didn't know. Is that a
crazy thing? I don't know, maybe

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not. So the juvenile sharks us
you stay away from colder water. Is

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that kind of why that mass of
warm water coming in and that was able

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to allow the smaller starks to live? Yes? Cool? Yeah wow for

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some things. Yeah yeah, but
I mean it's it's good to point out

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too that like climate change doesn't affect
everybody and all animals equally, right,

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So, like some animals will benefit
from climate change, So these sharks might

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benefit from like, you know,
bigger food items when they're younger, But

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that's bad for animals like seatters.
But I think seotters are doing okay,

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Like it's not like these juvenile white
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but it is an issue for shots
were like on the brink you extinction froll

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Yeah yeah, oh yeah, but
they've been coming back well from what I

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understand. Yeah, okay, cool, yeah, So now let's stay on

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00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,839
the topic of trends. And I
think we've talked about this before, but

407
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,599
as of twenty twenty two, once
again, the United States accounted for seventy

408
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,319
two percent of the world's confirmed shark
attack cases. It's confirmed. The important

409
00:25:41,319 --> 00:25:45,079
part of that, Yeah, okay, because like I mean, I know,

410
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,880
I mean, like, do we
really have the most attacks or just

411
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,720
other people not reporting it? That's
a great point. Yeah, I don't

412
00:25:52,759 --> 00:25:55,680
know, like there's a bunch of
attacks off like the coast of Somalia,

413
00:25:55,799 --> 00:26:00,319
Like that's a nation that is does
a lot of ocean fairing and every Yeah,

414
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,119
yeah, I mean that could be
an option. But also I'm not

415
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:08,000
sure if we explicitly have talked about
this before, but there's a huge lack

416
00:26:08,039 --> 00:26:11,720
of understanding of what types of sharks
are responsible for the most bites. Oh

417
00:26:11,799 --> 00:26:15,960
really, So when I say confirmed, that's like a shark did this,

418
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,559
and maybe a species is confirmed.
But like we're about to talk about some

419
00:26:18,599 --> 00:26:23,680
things where like people were bit but
they don't know from what. Oh okay,

420
00:26:23,759 --> 00:26:27,880
So, like the pattern of a
bite is kind of similar from shark

421
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:33,160
the shark or from like sharks to
other species as well. Like I don't

422
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,799
say species, but like other groups
of animals. So are there other fish

423
00:26:36,799 --> 00:26:38,519
out there that a sack people that
would that's a great I mean baracoud is

424
00:26:38,519 --> 00:26:41,279
probably bite people, right, I
have no idea. They look scary,

425
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:45,640
they got teeth. I think actually
googled barcout attack one day and I think

426
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,839
someone asked us about that. Yeah, yeah, I mean either way.

427
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,359
So we mentioned in our twenty twenty
two wrap up that black tip sharks tend

428
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,960
to bite them most people in Florida, just because they're so common and they

429
00:26:55,960 --> 00:27:00,839
live near the shore. But most
shark bites don't have accurate species id because

430
00:27:00,839 --> 00:27:03,880
as we can all assume, as
you're being bitten by a shark, you're

431
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,759
probably not taking like each detail that
would identify it. No, definitely not.

432
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,279
Yeah, size would be the first
thing you looked at, and either

433
00:27:10,319 --> 00:27:14,200
you'd say big or small. Yeah, six with sharks might not help because

434
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,079
it could be a small like great
white, or it could be like a

435
00:27:17,279 --> 00:27:21,359
huge black tip or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. And also we've

436
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:25,000
talked about before with any species,
like as you're being attacked, you tend

437
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:30,519
to overestimate the size of the animal
too. Yeah, So I looked into

438
00:27:30,559 --> 00:27:34,079
a twenty nineteen study titled Trends and
Global Shark Attacks, which found that worldwide,

439
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,720
white sharks, bull sharks, and
tiger sharks account for a majority of

440
00:27:37,799 --> 00:27:42,559
shark attacks and fatalities. All sharks
scary, I think. I think bull

441
00:27:42,599 --> 00:27:45,400
sharkscarve me the most. Tiger sharks
are really scary. Yeah, but they

442
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,160
look cool. I mean, they
all look cool, but specifically in the

443
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:52,000
US. I obviously just mentioned that
Florida has like black tip sharks that bite

444
00:27:52,039 --> 00:27:56,880
people, But in Hawaii, for
example, attacks are primarily from tiger sharks,

445
00:27:56,119 --> 00:28:00,000
and the Gulf of Mexico attacks were
thought to be primarily from bull sharks.

446
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,599
Did you know that tiger starve's the
fourth largest shark? I do know.

447
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,640
Can you name the other ones?
Stick? Uh? Yeah, great

448
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,440
white bull and whale shark that just
like off the top of the top my

449
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:11,519
head. Okay, well, I
think that's a pretty good guess. The

450
00:28:11,559 --> 00:28:15,519
bull shark might be the one that's
not there, but who knows, meg

451
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,920
Ashley, it's number one. Yeah. So then after this, I thought,

452
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,319
wait, what about greenland sharks?
I don't know, dude, I'm

453
00:28:22,319 --> 00:28:26,480
not a shark, don't I don't
know. See, these are the things

454
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,720
that I don't look up because I'm
like, he's not gonna ask you never

455
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,720
to greenland sharks is a wild pol
so I don't worry about that. Yeah,

456
00:28:33,839 --> 00:28:36,599
thank you so much. So I
felt downe a rabbit hole because I

457
00:28:36,599 --> 00:28:41,400
saw a study titled Forensic Genetic Identification
of Sharks involved in Human Attacks. It

458
00:28:41,519 --> 00:28:45,480
sounds like a rabbit pretty spot.
So this is published in twenty twenty one,

459
00:28:45,519 --> 00:28:49,440
so it's really recent and they use
forensic techniques to determine what sharks are

460
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:53,640
responsible for what bites, which I
thought was like so fascinating for somebody reasons.

461
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,960
So I'll read a quick blurb from
their discussion quote. Here, we

462
00:29:00,079 --> 00:29:03,920
provide two genetic approaches to reliably identify
species and or individuals involved in shark attacks

463
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:08,759
on humans based on a non invasive
DNA sampling ie DNA traces present on bite

464
00:29:08,759 --> 00:29:12,720
wounds on victims. Depending on the
knowledge of previous attack history at the site.

465
00:29:12,839 --> 00:29:17,960
The first approach us is barcoding techniques
allowing species identification, while the second

466
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:26,240
relies on microsatellite genotyping allowing species identification
confirmation and individual identification but requiring an a

467
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,960
priori of the potential species involved.
The attack. I don't know what that

468
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:34,160
means. Both approaches were validated by
investigating two shark attacks that occurred in Reunion

469
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:38,920
Islands, southwestern Indian Ocean, and
according to both methods, each incident was

470
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:45,039
attributed to a bull shark in agreement
with suggestions derived from bite wound characteristics.

471
00:29:45,319 --> 00:29:52,759
So basically, that long scientific blurb
means they knew or had a guess that

472
00:29:52,839 --> 00:29:56,240
these two shark attacks in this one
area were caused by bull sharks, and

473
00:29:56,279 --> 00:30:00,000
then they took DNA from the bites
and confirmed genetically that it was a bull

474
00:30:00,039 --> 00:30:03,240
shark. Is there any confirmation biased
in that? Like it would it be

475
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,839
possible because we talk about bias the
last Oh my god, that's a really

476
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:07,680
good point. So they're just trying
to say, like, hey, we

477
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,839
were right, these are bull sharks. And if this is a part of

478
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:17,599
the world where maybe shark fishing is
legalized or encouraged or looked past, it

479
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:18,200
could be an easy way to be
like, oh, yeah, we need

480
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,359
cold bull sharks. I'm just making
that up. Yeah, I don't know

481
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,359
if that, like, if it
was that deep. I always assume people

482
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:26,880
are are for bad reasons. That's
fair. I mean, we do kill

483
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,400
a lot of sharks. What was
the statistic you said earlier? Oh man,

484
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,160
it's like eleven thousand sharks are killed
every hour. Yeah, I think

485
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:34,960
I'm on the page right now.
I just have to find where it is

486
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,079
cool Kid Facts. No, no, no, that's a different Yeah.

487
00:30:38,079 --> 00:30:42,240
I have a different website too for
cool facts. We murder eleven thousand sharks

488
00:30:42,279 --> 00:30:45,599
every hour. Yeah, you have
something like that. Yeah, like eleven

489
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,559
thousand sharks an hour is so like, in the course of you listening to

490
00:30:48,599 --> 00:30:52,440
this podcast, eleven thousand sharks will
die. That's gross. It's really upsetting

491
00:30:52,599 --> 00:30:56,599
considering that, like they killed maybe
six of us a year, and I'm

492
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,319
not one that's going to be like, oh, we need zero shark hunting

493
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:00,839
or serah shark fishing. Like sorry
if it was not going to be that

494
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,559
way, but that's insane. Eleven
thousand sharks and hours. It's not sustainable

495
00:31:04,559 --> 00:31:08,359
at all, and just it's all
for fucking shark fin soup. Like they're

496
00:31:08,359 --> 00:31:11,839
cutting off the fins and throwing the
dead bodies back into the fucking water.

497
00:31:11,839 --> 00:31:14,680
Like we we did talk about that. It's so fucked up. I hate

498
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,319
that part of it. It's really
upsetting. But I know we're all here

499
00:31:18,359 --> 00:31:22,039
for attacks, so let's just start
getting into some recent ones. Oh boy,

500
00:31:22,039 --> 00:31:27,240
let's start with really recent. In
New York. On July fourth,

501
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:32,759
the day that we recorded our last
episode, Man, multiple people were allegedly

502
00:31:32,799 --> 00:31:34,599
bitten by sharks on the coast of
New York. Was it the same shark?

503
00:31:36,519 --> 00:31:40,039
They have no idea, Yes,
did you just learn anything? My

504
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:41,559
bad? Yeah? No, you're
right, they have no idea. So

505
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,480
specifically, two people are bitten on
the fourth of July, sixty miles apart.

506
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:51,279
One of those bites occurring off of
Fire Island Pines. A forty nine

507
00:31:51,359 --> 00:31:52,839
year old man was swimming near the
beach and claimed to be bitten on the

508
00:31:52,839 --> 00:31:56,200
hand by a shark. And then
the other bite occurred when a forty seven

509
00:31:56,279 --> 00:32:00,720
year old man was up to his
chest in the ocean and the hims when

510
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,400
he felt a bite on his right
knee. Do we have any idea about

511
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:06,640
the size of these sharks? No? Really? Yeah? Oh shit?

512
00:32:06,839 --> 00:32:09,920
Yeah. And then so both of
these bites occurred before two pm, so

513
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,559
it's not like they were swimming at
Donner Dusk right where sharks might be more

514
00:32:13,559 --> 00:32:17,599
active. But the day before this, so July third, near Fire Island

515
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:22,440
Pines, a fifteen year old boy
was surfing and claimed he was bitten in

516
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,359
the foot by a shark. Holy
sh And then the same day, a

517
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,759
fifteen year old girl was treated for
an alleged shark bite to the leg while

518
00:32:29,799 --> 00:32:31,720
she was swimming on Robert Moses Beach. So it's so weird that like the

519
00:32:31,759 --> 00:32:34,680
day before, it was two fourty
year old dudes, in the next day

520
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,200
it was two like fifteen year old
kids. So there were four attacks in

521
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:42,240
New York for twenty four hours.
Holy shit. Yeah. But the thing

522
00:32:42,279 --> 00:32:45,559
about these attacks is that no species
was confirmed, and in the case of

523
00:32:45,559 --> 00:32:49,720
the fifteen year old girl bitten,
she didn't see what bit her, and

524
00:32:49,799 --> 00:32:52,680
lifeguards couldn't confirm what did bite her, and they sent out drones to look

525
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,480
for sharks in the water, but
none were found. I mean, if

526
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,880
it's a small shark that just looks
like a fish, like, how would

527
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:00,079
you build identiy. Yeah, I
think we've talked about this before too,

528
00:33:00,119 --> 00:33:04,400
but like, using biitemarks to identify
species is really challenging, and there's not

529
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:09,160
a ton of consensus among experts on
like what bitemark would belong to what species?

530
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:13,519
Yes, so I imagine that'd figure
out. Yeah. So Also what

531
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,359
I found interesting these lifeguards in New
York are being trained to use drones to

532
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:21,400
monitor for sharks. It's actually the
lifeguards doing the drone monitoring. Cool,

533
00:33:21,839 --> 00:33:28,039
But experts who like actually for their
living like look for sharks using drones says

534
00:33:28,079 --> 00:33:31,240
that, let alone, trying to
identify a shark species by drone is like

535
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:35,519
really difficult. Like, for example, there was a report in early July

536
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,680
of this year that fifty sand sharks
were spotted using a drone off of like

537
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:43,759
the coast of New York. But
shark expert and researcher Greg Metzger was like,

538
00:33:44,119 --> 00:33:46,160
they were not sand sharks at all. How does he know because he's

539
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:51,240
an expert, these lifeguards are not. And two, even if a shark

540
00:33:51,279 --> 00:33:52,880
were in shallower waters, it wouldn't
be at the surface where it could be

541
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:57,440
spotted by a drone. So it's
not a great method for like lifeguards to

542
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,279
do like emergency like searching for sharks. Do you know he presented what sharks

543
00:34:00,319 --> 00:34:02,559
he thinks that they were? No, Yeah, I couldn't find that.

544
00:34:02,759 --> 00:34:06,680
Well. Also it might not have
even been sharks. That such great point.

545
00:34:06,759 --> 00:34:07,400
Yeah, he was like, there
were definitely not sand sharks, but

546
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,519
I don't know what to wear.
But there has been an increase in bites

547
00:34:10,519 --> 00:34:14,360
in the past year in New York, with eight people being bitten last year.

548
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,239
Yeah, that seems insane. Yeah, And I think it's important to

549
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:20,000
note too though that like, no
one has died, and these were just

550
00:34:20,039 --> 00:34:23,400
singular bites if they were from sharks, so just like investigatory once again,

551
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:30,239
if they were from sharks, we
don't know for assuming though. Yeah.

552
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:35,280
And and this is where we get
into the nasty ones ah flock. An

553
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:39,880
unprecedented attack happened this year. Earlier
this year. I'm not going chronologically this

554
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:44,639
time. I'm going to actually backwards
honestly. So on January fifth, around

555
00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:49,280
eleven thirty am, a middle aged
man named Manuel Lopez was diving in Tobari

556
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:53,079
Bay in Mexico for mollusks. So
he was at depths between thirty six to

557
00:34:53,079 --> 00:34:58,679
fifty nine feet or eleven to eighteen
meters for our European friends or anyone that's

558
00:34:58,679 --> 00:35:02,599
not America, and he was using
a surface supply to air sorts, which

559
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:07,920
is reported as a quote scupa like
apparatus that connects the diver to a compressed

560
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:09,639
air, soortce on a boat through
a series of pipes. So he's connected

561
00:35:09,679 --> 00:35:13,880
to a boat by a hose yeah, to breathe. Yeah. And then

562
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,519
there was two other fishermen that were
on like a support boat to like assist.

563
00:35:16,639 --> 00:35:21,199
Yeah. So there was no report
of the clarity of the water in

564
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,440
this situation, because murky waters can
make it even harder for sharks to see

565
00:35:23,639 --> 00:35:29,039
and we already know that they have
already poor eyesight. So no idea.

566
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,880
But the situation was with the water. Local authorities had been advising people to

567
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:36,960
wear brightly colored wetsuits to set them
apart from seals, but most wetsuits are

568
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,519
black or dark colors. You know, I don't know, I I don't

569
00:35:40,559 --> 00:35:44,079
know. It seems like a bad
idea, Like if you are in a

570
00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:45,760
wet suit, like I kind of
would have wanted to be bright yellow or

571
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,000
something, so if I get lost
or heard or something, they can see

572
00:35:49,039 --> 00:35:51,039
me using I mean, so Nick, look at the TV as we're watching

573
00:35:51,079 --> 00:35:52,639
Shark Fast right now, like they're
wearing dark blue. Yeah, like that

574
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,639
sweatsuits. Like a bad idea,
doesn't it, yea. Although we did

575
00:35:55,639 --> 00:36:00,599
see one girl that that girl own
that was named shit she saw and why

576
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:05,679
her wet suit was like a shiny
ocean like it looked like the ocean water,

577
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:07,960
which is I don't know if that's
better or worse. I'm curious about

578
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,599
that. I wonder if there's a
reason that there were certain color I don't

579
00:36:10,599 --> 00:36:15,159
know, but people were saying like, it's hard to find bright ones first,

580
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:19,639
and it's also difficult to test the
hypothesis that bright colors would ward off

581
00:36:19,639 --> 00:36:21,760
an attack or by you know what
I mean, Well, you want to

582
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,280
find out, I guess just look
at like wearing. Hey, if you

583
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:29,360
were bitten, what were you wearing? Which is kind of shitty, so

584
00:36:29,519 --> 00:36:32,199
right, oh Jesus Christ. But
beyond that, I found like a really

585
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:37,199
interesting suggestion, which was to paint
stripes on the wet suits to make them

586
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:42,599
resemble venomous coral snakes. Interesting ocean, I guess, why not, Like

587
00:36:43,079 --> 00:36:45,360
at this point, might as well
do something. Yeah, and if Forrest

588
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:50,440
Galante is right, then the sharks
do have to fear the snakesh So anyways,

589
00:36:50,559 --> 00:36:53,199
Manuela's looking for mollusks, so commonly
when you're doing that, you are

590
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:58,000
walking on the ocean floor, right, Yeah. I should also note that

591
00:36:58,039 --> 00:37:00,039
fishermen in the area had been worn
to avoid fishing at this time of year

592
00:37:00,039 --> 00:37:05,559
because there's an increase in shark activity
between December and January when pregnant females are

593
00:37:05,599 --> 00:37:09,239
in the area. Pregnant pissed off
ladies. But there was also a shortage

594
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,559
of seafood at the time, so
it was in high demand, so like

595
00:37:13,199 --> 00:37:15,480
worth more money at this time.
So Manuel chose to go diving because he

596
00:37:15,519 --> 00:37:20,719
needed the money, and thousands of
other fishermen had actually been choosing to stay

597
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,920
on shore due to the presence of
sharks at this time. And fishermen can

598
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:29,440
receive two hundred paces a year to
supplement their lost income, but that equates

599
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,280
to like not even four hundred and
thirty US dollars, which is not a

600
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:37,960
livable income by it means also a
year. Yeah, yeah. So as

601
00:37:37,079 --> 00:37:42,719
Manuel was walking along the bottom of
the ocean, he was bitten by what

602
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,920
was reported to be a nineteen foot
long or five point eight meter great white

603
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:52,679
shark. However, because of how
he was positioned on the bottom of the

604
00:37:52,679 --> 00:37:57,800
ocean, the shark could not come
up from behind him or below him because

605
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,599
he's standing on the bottom, standing
on the ocean, so it bit his

606
00:38:00,639 --> 00:38:06,639
shoulders in the process of biting Manuel, the shark decapitated him. Oh,

607
00:38:06,679 --> 00:38:09,679
no fucking way, because it bit
his shoulders, so when it tore away,

608
00:38:09,679 --> 00:38:14,880
it tore off his head. Oh
fuck. So experts, including doctor

609
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,159
Chris Low he comes up a lot. He's the shark Ey said, quote

610
00:38:17,199 --> 00:38:22,320
as rare as shark bites, when
humans can be decapitation is even more rare.

611
00:38:22,559 --> 00:38:25,280
Yeah. And another marine biologist,
Gavin Naylor from the University of Florida,

612
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:30,320
What's up? Who runs the International
Shark Attack Files ISAF, which we've

613
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,559
talked about on this podcast before because
they keep track of like yearly stats and

614
00:38:32,599 --> 00:38:37,320
they report like the actual members and
stuff. So he said that sixty percent

615
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:42,320
of shark attacks recorded by the ISAF
were murky water with reduced visibility, but

616
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,960
once again, we don't know if
that was the case here. And Chris

617
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,119
said that the smell of the shellfish
around the diver could have lowered the shark

618
00:38:49,159 --> 00:38:52,239
to the area because whenever people are
fishing, sharks are drawn to the smells

619
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,360
of the fish or they invertebrates like
scallops or lobsters, and they're also drawn

620
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:59,960
to the vibrations of a struggling animal. Oh, yeah, makes it.

621
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:01,760
But of course Chris said, like, without having prior knowledge of what was

622
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,639
happening, it's difficult to say why
Manuel was killed this way. No,

623
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,320
yeah, I mean could have been
a billion reasons because like this, he

624
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:12,800
does this probably every day he goes
down and it's just for these animals.

625
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:17,199
So it's like, why why did
today end in him being decapitated by a

626
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:21,239
shark? Yeah, which is fucked
crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. And

627
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,679
other fishermen in the area said that
sometimes they'll catch sea lions and their fishing

628
00:39:23,679 --> 00:39:28,800
nets, which just a quick side
note that by catch is the number one

629
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:34,639
leading cause of death and marine mammals, just saying, okay, so sometimes

630
00:39:34,679 --> 00:39:37,880
they'll catch the lions and sea lions
and their fishing nets, and when this

631
00:39:37,039 --> 00:39:42,039
happens, sometimes sharks will approach the
boats, but they'll wait until the sea

632
00:39:42,079 --> 00:39:45,840
lions are released. Ah, which
is really sad. Yeah, you have

633
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,519
to throw a sea Oh I caught
you here, I'm gonna let you go

634
00:39:49,559 --> 00:39:51,280
some my net doesn't kill you,
but you're going right in the mouth of

635
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,039
a shark. Is better than being
wasted. But oh yeah, I'm sure.

636
00:39:53,039 --> 00:39:55,079
But it's like whenever you see the
videos of like the fucking sea line

637
00:39:55,079 --> 00:40:00,760
shupping on people's boats or yeah.
But but the fisherman noted here though,

638
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,280
that the sharks would leave the nets
and the boats alone, so like they

639
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,440
knew what they were doing, like
they're waiting for the seal. Yeah.

640
00:40:06,519 --> 00:40:10,360
Yeah. But in twenty twenty two, a diver in the same area was

641
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:15,360
killed by a shark while looking for
the same mollusks on February twelfth, So

642
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,159
this is like around the same time
that like the pregnant females would be there.

643
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:22,000
And his name was Victor Astrea,
also a middle aged man and also

644
00:40:22,079 --> 00:40:25,519
using a surface supplied air source.
So his friend was on the boat,

645
00:40:25,599 --> 00:40:30,880
like the support boat, and he
saw that the hoses were moving quote erratically

646
00:40:30,199 --> 00:40:34,800
and began pulling him up from the
seafloor. And as his friend was being

647
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,960
pulled up, he was actively being
bitten by a shark. Oh my god,

648
00:40:37,039 --> 00:40:40,199
ultimately fatally wounded him. It's like
being a fucking fishing larder. Yeah,

649
00:40:40,199 --> 00:40:43,000
and he like literally had to beat
the shark off of his friend.

650
00:40:43,079 --> 00:40:45,719
Oh my god. Yeah. And
then in twenty eighteen, in December,

651
00:40:46,119 --> 00:40:52,239
naham Aguilera a fisherman. Do you
think it's nihen, it's nahum, okay,

652
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,119
I'm sorry, we can start that. I'm sorry about that. No,

653
00:40:54,199 --> 00:40:57,239
it's okay. Hey, you know, I'm just trying to get it

654
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,199
right. Yeah. So he had
jumped in the water and later was seen

655
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:04,760
floating at the surface. Oh fuck, and his friends feared that he was

656
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,280
having like a medical emergency, but
as they retrieved him, a shark had

657
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:12,320
torn open his leg, torn open
his abdomen, and gravely injured his right

658
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,480
thigh. Fuck man. And he
was also reported to have a dislocated shoulder

659
00:41:15,519 --> 00:41:19,400
and injuries on his left hand that
indicated that he may have tried to fight

660
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,440
the shark off. Why is being
pulled up? No? So this guy

661
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,320
was found floating oh yeah, okay, he was killed under water and then

662
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:29,360
floated to the top, but it
was like evidence that he had been trying

663
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:34,800
to fight the shark back he was
killed immediately. Y yeah. And now

664
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,679
in a similar and horrifying attack that
was caught on video. Is the one

665
00:41:38,679 --> 00:41:42,760
you showed me earlier, That's the
one that you insisted on seeing. Yes,

666
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:47,199
insisted is a strong word. Twenty
three year old Vladimir Popov was visiting

667
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:52,400
a coastal city in Egypt on June
eighth, twenty twenty three with his father,

668
00:41:52,599 --> 00:41:54,800
a friend, and his girlfriend.
He was a Russian man and had

669
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:59,119
been living in Egypt for a few
months and he was in the water of

670
00:41:59,159 --> 00:42:01,920
the Red Sea that day with his
friend and girlfriend when a tiger shark appeared.

671
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,679
The girlfriend and friend swam the twenty
two feet back to shore, but

672
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:13,079
the tiger shark grabbed Vladimir's leg before
he could escape the water. And the

673
00:42:13,199 --> 00:42:19,400
video was from a bystander, and
it shows Vladimir screaming for his father as

674
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,880
he's being pulled underwater multiple times,
and like in the process of him being

675
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:27,800
pulled under like he'll pop back up
after a few seconds, but there's one

676
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:34,000
point where like just his legs pop
out of the water and Nikki us completely

677
00:42:34,079 --> 00:42:37,000
so hard. It was so so
The only reason I watched it because you

678
00:42:37,039 --> 00:42:39,880
know, we talked in their episode
with Jada where she was like very careful

679
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,960
to call them shark attacks and just
like call them shark encounters or whatever.

680
00:42:44,599 --> 00:42:47,239
But I was like, Okay,
what happened here, So I'm I'm gonna

681
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:51,559
tell you how he was found.
But I wanted to watch because I was

682
00:42:51,599 --> 00:42:53,000
like, is this this seems like
more than just a bite, you know

683
00:42:53,039 --> 00:42:57,119
what I mean. And you also
watched it. It was straight up attacking

684
00:42:57,199 --> 00:43:01,480
him like it was so violent.
This is not score and invested, investigatory

685
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:07,159
invested, I can't say mollocks and
invest Oh my god, yeah that thing

686
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:12,559
investigatory bite. I want to try
again, but I think we've gone melt

687
00:43:12,599 --> 00:43:15,840
melt melt. Okay. So obviously, like the video, you can find

688
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:21,519
it on YouTube, but it was
so it's so it's so sad very it's

689
00:43:21,559 --> 00:43:23,320
horrifying. Yeah, no, I
mean, and there's people this recording and

690
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:28,239
screaming like yeah. And so after
his legs come out of the water,

691
00:43:28,639 --> 00:43:31,840
a few seconds go by, and
then his head emerges and he actually starts

692
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:36,400
to like try to swim back to
shore towards his father, but then you

693
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:40,679
see the shark surface behind him and
it pulls him under again, and his

694
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:45,639
head pops up again and then goes
under and then you can see the shark

695
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,920
like on its side at the surface, thrashing its tail. It was it

696
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:52,920
was bad. The video of the
attack lasts for fifty seconds before a boat

697
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,039
arrived, so he's actively being attacked
for probably at least a minute. I

698
00:43:55,039 --> 00:43:59,639
think it's like a really fast response
time too, within a minute for a

699
00:43:59,639 --> 00:44:04,559
boat to yeah there, that's pretty
crazy. Yeah. So Vladimir was pulled

700
00:44:04,599 --> 00:44:08,599
from the water by his severely injured
legs and just his torso was left,

701
00:44:09,159 --> 00:44:14,679
and his head was gone. You're
fucking kidding me. No, both legs,

702
00:44:14,679 --> 00:44:16,480
both arms and the head gone.
No, no, no. So

703
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,719
he was pulled up by his legs. His legs were severely injured, but

704
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:22,719
just really his torso was left.
His head was gone. Oh my god.

705
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:27,159
Yeah. So, shortly after the
attack, and like you can see

706
00:44:27,159 --> 00:44:30,360
towards the end of the video,
like a boat pulls up, other boats

707
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:35,440
arrive and there was a tiger shark
in the area. So the men surrounded

708
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,360
the shark with nets and boats and
beat the shark, and they beat it

709
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:42,000
all the way to shore, and
then on shore continued to beat the shark

710
00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:45,039
until they were sure it was dead. It was a pregnant female, and

711
00:44:45,119 --> 00:44:49,679
the shark was estimated to be twelve
feet long and nee cropsy photos did not

712
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:54,239
show remains of humans in her stomach. However, officials then said that his

713
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:59,159
head and hand were removed from the
shark's stomach, but not included in a

714
00:44:59,199 --> 00:45:04,159
nee cropsy photos. Some shark researchers
dispute this and think that the actual shark

715
00:45:04,199 --> 00:45:07,840
that killed Vladimir was the same shark
involved in the deaths of two tourists last

716
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:09,199
year in the same area. No
shit, Yeah, I don't know how

717
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:13,400
they'd be able to confide. How
would you even know, like DNA testling

718
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,159
with that even I know, but
like from back then, Yeah, I

719
00:45:15,199 --> 00:45:19,039
don't know how you do that.
So but as we know, places that

720
00:45:19,079 --> 00:45:22,199
experienced shark attacks often tried to not
disclose what actually happened or wanted to be

721
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:28,360
over quickly so that tourism can get
Yeah, and I mean there was another

722
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,480
shark attack that happened this year that
occurred in the Bahamas where seventy three year

723
00:45:30,519 --> 00:45:35,719
old Heidi Ernst was just over her
five hundredth dive in the ocean, like

724
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:37,679
it was a few after that,
And this was on June seventh, twenty

725
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,800
twenty three, And she had like
gotten into the water to rinse off,

726
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:44,800
so she didn't have like flippers on
or anything, and as she was climbing

727
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:46,159
out of the water, she like
kicked her foot to the side because she

728
00:45:46,199 --> 00:45:50,199
normally does that with flippers on for
whatever reason I'm not a diver. And

729
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,840
as she did, that shark grabbed
her foot and she suspected it was a

730
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,679
reef shark and managed to hit the
shark, causing it to release. And

731
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,039
like before she had even hopped in
the water, she noticed that the it

732
00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:04,800
was like a glass boat tour that
was chumming the waters. Oh see sharks.

733
00:46:05,159 --> 00:46:07,239
So like, I don't want to
say, she like kind of stop

734
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,159
coming, but like a little bit, and her friend, So her friend

735
00:46:09,159 --> 00:46:13,000
pulled her back onto the boat and
applied to tournique and she was rushed to

736
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,400
a local hospital and then taken by
helicopter to a trauma center of Miami,

737
00:46:15,639 --> 00:46:21,840
but she ultimately ended up losing her
foot due to infection. Wow, but

738
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,559
like to that point, I've visited
Bermuda and the Virgin Islands and they tell

739
00:46:24,599 --> 00:46:29,760
you there are no sharks, do
they? Yeah? Because I so when

740
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:31,480
I was in the Virgin Islands,
like I went snorkeling and there was like

741
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:36,400
giant fish and like birds everywhere.
It was really cool. But like we

742
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:37,159
asked them, hey, what's the
deal with sharks, Like, Oh,

743
00:46:37,159 --> 00:46:42,280
there's just not around here. It's
bullshit because they're trying to like make so

744
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,119
you're not scared. Yeah. Yeah, So I've also been to the Virgin

745
00:46:45,199 --> 00:46:49,079
Lions once and then we saw Barracuda
and it's scared the shit out of me.

746
00:46:49,119 --> 00:46:51,800
So, like I imagine if I
saw should we go with the same

747
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,119
person? Yeah, hey, that
same person saw a sting ray and jumped

748
00:46:54,119 --> 00:46:58,679
on my back in the water.
Oh that's that's interesting. Remember that one

749
00:46:58,679 --> 00:47:00,840
time when you saw a spider on
the side of a rock while we were

750
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:04,400
in the water and you try to
drown me? Yeah, Nick and I

751
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,760
jumped off a cliff together and then
as we were coming up out of the

752
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:08,960
water, he punched me in the
face. Yeah. So really it really

753
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,920
evens out, doesn't it. I
don't know, you try to drown me

754
00:47:14,199 --> 00:47:19,920
over a spie I accident was actively
chasing me? It was no, it

755
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,639
was not, Yes, it was
oh sorry, you were too busy swimming.

756
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:28,559
Yes, in the water. The
spider cant to us. Yes,

757
00:47:30,119 --> 00:47:36,159
I digress. So those were like
really the attacks. I want to talk

758
00:47:36,199 --> 00:47:38,840
about this here, but I want
to end, of course, on staying

759
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:44,719
safe, and we've talked about this
in previous episodes of Sharks, but let's

760
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:46,400
just go over some like quick tips. First of all, if you never

761
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,239
go in the ocean, you're not
gonna be attacked by a shark. That's

762
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,639
just number one. I don't know
a bull sharks, man, sharknado.

763
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,400
Know. It made me rivers.
Oh well, yeah, you know,

764
00:47:55,639 --> 00:47:58,679
Oh my god, you're right.
We did. In our twenty twenty two

765
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,400
wrap up, we talked about a
shark that went up river and a taxione

766
00:48:01,519 --> 00:48:07,360
in Is it Australia. I think
it was Australia. Yeah, I think

767
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:08,519
so too. Yeah, you're so
right. Well, if you never go

768
00:48:08,519 --> 00:48:10,760
in the water, you will be
bit by a shark. That's the reason

769
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,840
to knock on the water. But
I'm just saying, like you're a risk

770
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,559
of being bitten by a shark if
you do not go in the water is

771
00:48:16,639 --> 00:48:20,559
zero. Yeah. So if you're
that scared, just don't go in the

772
00:48:20,559 --> 00:48:22,719
water. Yeah, but also don't
be that scared. There's billions of people

773
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:28,159
that go in the water, like
year after year and never only like six

774
00:48:28,199 --> 00:48:30,800
people die. I mean humans just
kind of in generalize the species rely on

775
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:35,039
the water a lot, so lie
in the ocean. Yeah time, so

776
00:48:35,039 --> 00:48:37,480
we have Yeah, but we're used
and once again the course of this podcast,

777
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,760
eleven thousand sharks have been killed,
so like the ratio, it's not

778
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:44,239
in favor of the sharks, but
is in favor of you. Oh yeah,

779
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:45,840
so let's go over some safety tips. So, first of all,

780
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,440
you are less likely to be bitten
by a shark at a crowded beach.

781
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,559
Is this kind of like the the
old thing of I don't need to run

782
00:48:52,599 --> 00:48:54,920
the bears and now around my friends. No, it's more than they just

783
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:59,079
like don't like to be near large
groups of people. Oh yeah, no,

784
00:48:59,199 --> 00:49:00,400
of course that does make sense.
Yeah, and you figure like the

785
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:05,079
people are being super loud. You're
also covered in like sunscreen, which is

786
00:49:05,199 --> 00:49:07,559
gross. Yeah, people generally like
give off oil which is gross, which

787
00:49:07,559 --> 00:49:12,719
is generally kind of ichy. Yeah. And also predatory sharks that eat large

788
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,800
prey items like the ones that would
eat the size of humans, tend to

789
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:22,519
isolate their prey. So oh y, swim with friends basically, yeah,

790
00:49:22,519 --> 00:49:24,079
honestly, which is most advice for
humans in general, is like, be

791
00:49:24,199 --> 00:49:29,519
with other humans and you won't be
murdered animals. Yeah, yeah, have

792
00:49:29,639 --> 00:49:35,119
friends, swim in the ocean,
leave sharks lom open like clear water is

793
00:49:35,119 --> 00:49:37,199
the best I know. Like,
that's not easy for everybody, like especially

794
00:49:37,199 --> 00:49:43,199
in New England, our water is
not clear at all crystal no for sure.

795
00:49:43,519 --> 00:49:46,360
But if you are like diving near
or around sharks, just stay in

796
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:50,719
an area where you can see them, and they know that you can see

797
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,800
them because they're predators. So if
you're looking at them like I'm not gonna

798
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:58,159
sneak up on him, you know, eye contact, Yeah, so maintain

799
00:49:58,199 --> 00:50:00,639
eye contact. Just have eyes on
them at all times, some with friends

800
00:50:00,679 --> 00:50:02,079
so that they can have eyes on
other sharks that might be around you.

801
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:06,599
And then like we've seen in the
shark Fest shows that we've been watching,

802
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:08,360
if a shark comes up to you, just boop it away. And a

803
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:12,480
lot of these again were watching these
shows, they all have spotters, like

804
00:50:12,559 --> 00:50:15,719
on top of the boat watching the
water, making sure that there's no sharks

805
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:19,320
coming from like a different angle to
come fuck up some people. Yeah exactly.

806
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:21,880
So if you are out in the
middle of the water and you're diving,

807
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:23,519
first of all, you probably know
more than we do, but they

808
00:50:23,519 --> 00:50:28,039
should have a spotter, yeah exactly. And I mean yeah, like in

809
00:50:28,079 --> 00:50:30,360
all these shows, like if you
guys want to watch Shark Weeker, you

810
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,440
know, I don't know if any
of these will be like for you know,

811
00:50:32,519 --> 00:50:36,159
after the Shark Fest and Shark Week
are done, if you can find

812
00:50:36,159 --> 00:50:37,880
these shows anywhere, I'm sure they're
gonna be all over like Disney Plus and

813
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,599
stuff, because yeah, do they
own Discovery, right, I don't know.

814
00:50:42,079 --> 00:50:44,320
I can't keep track. Discovery has
their own streaming plot. But like

815
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,360
when you see the experienced divers,
like they muckle onto the sharks and like

816
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:51,719
fuck around with them and just push
their noses away, and the sharks just

817
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,039
like okay, yeah, I mean
they the sharks don't give a fuck,

818
00:50:54,119 --> 00:50:58,079
like there's kind of coming up to
investigate, like actually just kind of looked

819
00:50:58,119 --> 00:51:00,639
at them and check them out,
like yeah, and it works. It's

820
00:51:00,679 --> 00:51:05,639
like a ten foot shark. Yeah, they just gently guide their nose away.

821
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:07,639
Yeah, that's crazy. And then
something that they talked about the oligies

822
00:51:07,639 --> 00:51:12,599
episode, and that was mentioned in
some of these articles about like the attacks

823
00:51:12,599 --> 00:51:17,559
that happened, was there's now equipment
that you can put on you as like

824
00:51:17,599 --> 00:51:23,079
a surfer or like a diver that
blocks electrical signals or like jams electrical signals

825
00:51:23,519 --> 00:51:30,199
because sharks use electrosensory to hunt because
they have poor eyesight. So if you're

826
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:37,119
jamming those frequencies or whatever, like
your radar jamming sharks. I love that

827
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,840
so much so Chris Low in the
Ologies episode, he was like, it

828
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:44,920
works, like it legitimately works.
However, the problem is, if you

829
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:46,480
were to have one of those things
on you, you might be more complacent.

830
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:52,199
Oh definitely, he'd I'm jamming there, I'm jamming their radar, so

831
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,719
I'm not fit and then you're an
idiot. Yeah, sorry, not an

832
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:59,519
idiot, but like you might be
more willing to like do risk your behavior

833
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:01,039
and not like keep an eye out
for sharks. So even if you have

834
00:52:01,119 --> 00:52:04,320
that equipment, still keep an eye
out for them. But if you're like

835
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,800
super scared but you want to go
diving in the ocean anyways, maybe invest

836
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:09,920
Once again, if you're investing in
that kind of equipment, I really hope

837
00:52:10,079 --> 00:52:15,199
you are smarter than us and are
safer than we would be and you are

838
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:16,559
doing all the right way, because
that would be a whole lot of fucking

839
00:52:16,559 --> 00:52:20,760
money to spend to waste. Yeah. I don't know how expensive those units

840
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:22,800
are. Has to be an insane
amount. Yeah, And I will say

841
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,920
a goal for twenty twenty four of
mine is to go diving with sharks.

842
00:52:27,159 --> 00:52:29,920
No shit, I would love to. Really, I've never considered it.

843
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:30,440
And then my brother was like,
hey, do you want to go cage

844
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,199
diving? And I was like,
no one's ever asked me this, but

845
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:35,960
yes, I would love to do
that. But so in the Olidus episode,

846
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,639
Chris Low also says like he's not
against shark diving while you're in a

847
00:52:39,679 --> 00:52:43,639
cage, and he's done it,
but he's like, now they tend to

848
00:52:43,679 --> 00:52:49,639
make the bars wider for people with
like big professional cameras, so smaller sharks

849
00:52:49,639 --> 00:52:52,840
can get stuck in the cage with
you and they don't like that. Seems

850
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,320
a good dumb idea. Also,
to be fair, you're in a cage

851
00:52:55,400 --> 00:53:00,840
attached to a rope. If the
rope breaks, you sink a cage.

852
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:04,360
You're in a cage. Doesn't the
top use you open? Though? I

853
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:07,840
think it probably depends. Yeah,
so I would say depends, but I

854
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:12,159
think probably the best thing would just
be like open ocean diving. I would

855
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:16,239
rather be in a cage. It
really depends on what you're like, what

856
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:21,000
your risks level like is like,
Okay, are you willing to be like

857
00:53:21,039 --> 00:53:22,239
in the open ocean and you just
swim to get away? Are you willing

858
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,119
to be in a cage. But
if the cage drops, you're stuck in

859
00:53:24,119 --> 00:53:25,639
a cage. If a shark gets
in and you're stuck in a cage,

860
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:29,519
I'm not really worried about the cage
dropping like that. I don't think that

861
00:53:29,559 --> 00:53:30,880
really happens. I don't know how
deep the water is either. Oh,

862
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:35,599
I mean it doesn't need to be
that deep to kill us, like we

863
00:53:35,599 --> 00:53:38,480
we are big fleshy babies. Yeah, that doesn't be there. Yeah,

864
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:42,360
it does offer the pressure build up
in Oh, true, very true.

865
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,400
I don't even think of that.
Yeah, yeah, fair. Yeah.

866
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:49,599
And then just the last thing,
if you find yourself in the jaws of

867
00:53:49,639 --> 00:53:53,000
a shark pun intended, should do
hit them in their sensitive areas, which

868
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:54,840
I feel like isn't the thing that
we should have to say to you.

869
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:58,639
I feel like you just probably intuitively
start like punching the thing that's trying to

870
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:01,320
kill you if you are able to. But their sensitive areas are around their

871
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:05,519
eyes and their nose. Just beat
the shit out of them, beat the

872
00:54:05,559 --> 00:54:07,440
ship, which is hard because once
again they're made of teeth, like they're

873
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:12,960
cartilaginous, and like their skin is
really incredibly rough. So trying to punch

874
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,880
a shark while underwater to like save
my life would be so hard, so

875
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:19,320
hard. Yeah, it's like you
know when you're in a dream and you're

876
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:21,800
fighting people and it'say, you can't
punch, Like your punches don't do anything.

877
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:23,280
I feel a bit like that.
Yeah, probably, Yeah, Yeah,

878
00:54:23,519 --> 00:54:27,800
gouge your eyes out, just do
whatever you can to scare the shit

879
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:29,639
out of them. I mean,
honestly, they're probably not used to things

880
00:54:29,679 --> 00:54:31,079
like fighting them exactly. Yeah,
yeah, kill them. I would.

881
00:54:31,159 --> 00:54:34,920
I would do my best to go
for the eyes if I'm in a spot

882
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,239
that I can do that. Yeah. Have you ever see the MythBusters episode

883
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:38,960
where they do that where they try
to like see if you can gouge out

884
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:42,480
their rass ball the Really No,
I've never seen that. No. Oh

885
00:54:42,559 --> 00:54:45,920
yeah, I hate the eyes.
You do hate, so I wouldn't want

886
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:50,000
to watch the gouging. It was
just to yet that some of the thing

887
00:54:50,039 --> 00:54:52,320
was like this, like hit a
button and it would turn off the mechanical

888
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:54,840
shark. Oh, I'll be honest, if you talk about MythBusters right now,

889
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,480
we're gonna fight. I know.
I was gonna say if I was

890
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:59,400
being attacked by anything or anyone,
I don't know if I could go for

891
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:00,880
the eyes, I really don't.
Oh you could stop, you would,

892
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:06,239
you know? I don't know.
Man, a shark, come on,

893
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:10,039
if it's my time, it's my
time. You would rather die than stick

894
00:55:10,079 --> 00:55:15,239
your hands in someone's eyeball. Honestly, it's you're getting there though. You've

895
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:19,559
got contacts now, you know what
I do, and it's taking contacts out

896
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,000
is very eyeball centric. You got
to get it. Knuckle in there.

897
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:25,880
It's almost entirely eyeballs. Yeah,
it's a lot for me. But anyways,

898
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:29,480
that was our episode for Shark Week. I like that. That was

899
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:32,760
fun. That's a word. Yeah, it is fun to record this together

900
00:55:34,039 --> 00:55:37,079
like in person as there's like sharks
on the TV, which is really fun.

901
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:39,920
That's a new thing for us.
I would man, I really hope

902
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:44,199
that someday we can have like our
own podcast studio and have like a TV

903
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:46,519
where we can show images and videos
and stuff. I'll start putting film up

904
00:55:46,559 --> 00:55:50,480
in the on the walls in my
apartment. You just do it here perfect,

905
00:55:50,639 --> 00:55:52,239
and then you'll have to figure out
how to edit videos and stuff.

906
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:58,920
Yeah, tall order, oh man, yeah, yeah, it's going rough.

907
00:55:59,199 --> 00:56:01,800
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908
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909
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912
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913
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merch Orca. Merch is coming check
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914
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:28,039
it comes out, the Orchest will
have taken over the world. I'm not

915
00:56:28,079 --> 00:56:31,119
really sure they're trying. Yeah,
I, for one, once again welcome

916
00:56:31,159 --> 00:56:35,039
them, just saying I welcome art. I just want the Orchest to know

917
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,000
that I'm in support of them.
Please spare me. Do you think they

918
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:42,599
have internet access? I bet they're
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919
00:56:42,599 --> 00:56:45,519
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920
00:56:45,639 --> 00:56:52,519
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921
00:56:52,519 --> 00:56:54,719
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926
00:57:07,519 --> 00:57:12,239
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927
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:15,360
the end, you barely knew I
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928
00:57:15,519 --> 00:57:16,719
Josh Walsh for making our intry music. I hope that you're having so much

929
00:57:16,719 --> 00:57:20,079
fun on your road trip. Check
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930
00:57:20,159 --> 00:57:22,280
Let us know what you find.
He also was at a campsite or

931
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,239
was at a campsite the other day
where he had a badger at the edge

932
00:57:24,239 --> 00:57:27,519
of his campsite. Oh shure,
yeah. He was like, have they

933
00:57:27,559 --> 00:57:29,159
killed somebody? I said, I
don't know, get in there and find

934
00:57:29,159 --> 00:57:32,559
out, so be the first bait. And thank you Jesse Walsh for for

935
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:36,920
doing all the other heavy lifting in
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936
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937
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938
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be back in two weeks with another
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