Welcome to episode fifty eight of Get Out Alive, a podcast where me your
host Ashley every other week tells you new animal tag story and me or the
host Nick uh just kind of listens along and tries not to make too much
with any I am shocked you did not say a shark fact just now.
Okay, Well, I wanted to introduce the fact that we're talking about sharks
before I start bringing up facts. Okay, because for the past twenty minutes
I've been trying to record this podcast and Nick has been like, did you
know the shark tiger sharks like minua through sharks tip coacter sheeting and did you
know that? Yes, We've talked about it. Okay, Well, I
just want to make sure. Sorry, I'm just trying to try to be
a good co host, like my bad. Did you know that they're usually
found in tropical waters? Nick, what's the website that you're reading these facts
off of? A cool kid facts dot Com, which, if I am,
I am of the utmost cool kids in the world, So I think,
I mean, is pretty good grow website. Yeah. We also okay
spoiler, this episode's about sharks. We also have was it shark Fest?
Yeah? We have Sharkfest on yeah, from National Geographic at the moment on
my TV. Yeah, Nat Geo. Shark Fest is currently going on as
we're recording this. This episode won't come out until Discovery Shark Week, so
we actually planned it to be around when shark stuff is happening this time.
If Shark Week sucks us here and be very upset, yeah, and I'm
going to be playing very close attention. I haven't like been into Shark Week
for a while. I really want to like focus on No me too,
Yeah, especially because I mean this is first of all, our anniversary for
this podcast was on Friday. No shit, yeah two years. How did
we not even talk about that? I just didn't come up. And then
Josh Are, the guy who made our intro music, called me. It
was like, hey, happy anniversary, and I was like, for what,
we just talked bout the last episode, so yeah, I know,
and he was like, your anniversary for the podcast. I was like,
oh cool, thanks, and I forgot to say anything to you about until
that was two years. Yeah, happy, two years we did this and
we finally are covering Shark Week as it's happening. So when did we do
it last time? We didn't know, but I mean our last Shark episode
like was just like randomly like, well, the last time we talked about
sharks was our wrap up of twenty twenty two. Oh, that's right,
the uss Indiabolist episode was quite controversial last time we did that. So we're
gonna try and avoid anything that was on Patreon. Yeah, oh was on
Patreon a Patreon episode. Oh yeah, we don't need to go into that
one. No, And then we obviously did an interview with Jada which was
episode twenty two titled The Most Misunderstood Fish with Jada Elcock. So definitely if
you haven't listened to that, give that a listen because it has great shark
information from a actual professional and not just us. Yeah we are not professionals.
Yeah, and you can learn more about minorities and shark sciences, which,
believe it or not, that Geo and Discovery don't do it like a
whole lot of a whole lot of white people. It's a lot of white
people. Yeah, we just saw one show or no, I was,
oh my god, YouTube clar but like the girls in the shows, I
think, yeah, this is this girl god ocean, what's her name?
Her name was obviously changed her name to Ocean. You know this out directly
though, right Like, I feel like that's a little No, she definitely
changed her name to She moved to Hawaii to swim with sharks, says that
she's conserving them by swimming with them and touching them, and renamed herself Ocean.
I don't even have a problem with like her living or like living the
way that there's an interview shoot them with like good Morning America or some ship
and it was just like it was it seems like it was a fake human.
The biggest shark I've ever seen. Yeah, it was crazy. No,
yeah it was. It was rough. Anyways, this isn't about tiger
canlas themselves. How nick they got stripes? How do the stride them in
the jungle like a tiger? That's how you got their name the jungles of
the Ocean classic. Also, as we're recording, like talking right now,
there are orcas on the television that are killing sharks. It looks like they're
actively trying to kill a whale shark. So if you would like to learn
more about how orcas kill sharks for their livers, check out our orc episode
that was a few episodes ago. It's good one. Yeah, we have
talked about sharks quite a bit. I guess we have. Yeah, So
so to get right into it, obviously, like we've been talking about the
week this episode comes out will also be the middle of Discovery Channel Shark Week,
and this year will be the thirty fifth Shark Week, which I didn't
realize it was happening before we were born, but I guess it was.
Damn. Yeah. Yeah, we're not thirty five. No, we're not.
Yeah, but this year we will be not We're we are alive,
yes, but we won't be thirty five even close. No, we're going
to be twenty. I don't know something. I think I'm going to be
twenty seven. Sure. Yeah. So this year, Shark Week is being
hosted by Steve Rowin. He's dead. We've talked about him. Yeah,
damnit, that would have been a good one. No, Jason Momoah,
I did see that. I did see that. So obviously I took some
notes on Jason Momoa because I was I was like, I love him so
much. Aqua Man's hosting Shark Week, yeah, which I honestly, the
more I learned about him, I'm like, huh, how fitting Oh no,
he's like a legit like ocean dude, let's talk about it. So,
in the summer of twenty twenty two, Jason Momoa was designated the UN
Environment Programs u n EP Advocate for Life Below Water. And he also has
worked with Sustainable Coastlines Hawaii that cleans up Hawaii coastlines and a company or organization
I guess called Repurpose Global which empowers businesses to act on plastic pollution and they've
cleaned up over sixteen million kilograms of nature bound plastic. Wow damn yeah.
And so when he was given this designation by the UNEP, he said,
quote with this designation, I hope to continue my own journey to protect and
conserve the ocean and all living things on our beautiful blue planet for our generation
and the generations to come. And quote for me, the ocean is an
ancient teacher, a guide in a muse It is also existential. Without a
healthy ocean, life on our planet as we know it would not exist end
Quote. Yeah, wasn't he like Baywatch or some shit when he was really
young? Isn't some fucking like beach TV show? When he was in his
twenty I don't remember, but probably he's really good before yeah, before he
got Sean Thrones, Oh my god, an Aquaman? Well, Aquaman's kinds.
Yeah, I'll say Amberhard's in it, so that's like a whole thing.
Who's that Johnny Depp and Amber Heard? I know Johnny Depp Amber heard
speak. Would you say they're doing a new Willy Wonka? Yeah, but
Amberherd was the girl he went to trial with. Remember that, no idea.
You didn't hear a word about the Johnny Depp and Amber Heard trial?
Do you really not? Do you go outside? Do you need to act
with the world at all all the time? I don't. You never heard
about Johnny Depp and Eber heard? That sounds a prestiety situation. I don't
know. All right, Okay, what did I say? Song? Anyways,
I just want to take a moment to recognize Jacement because what other chance
we're gonnaver going to talk about him on this podcast. You will find many
I will try to insert him in this podcast somehow. But anyways, let's
talk about the Shark week lineup, because of course it's ridiculous. So as
prep for this episode, of course, like many otherisodes, I listened to
an episode of Ologies with Ali Ward. Funny story, we saw a dude
that was all in a for episode, the guest that she talks to,
Chris Lowe in that episode on Sharks. Like, as we were talking about
it, we looked on the TV and he was on TV Forernatgio Shark Fest
was like walked in. You're like, I know that guy. Yeah,
he is the shark guy. Yeah. So anyways, they were talking about
like the fact that Shark Week. I don't know if it was ever super
educational, but it's become ridiculous. And there was one show on it a
few years ago about the megalodon but they were like, it's doula, the
megalodon could be real. Well was was real, but and then everyone was
like this is bullshit and they were like, oh yeah, no, that
was clearly a joke. But it's the same as the Mermaid thing. Even
when I don't know when it like how old I was when it came.
I was like fourteen, I was really were in high school? Yeah,
me too. It was like like something kind of like oh cool, they're
gonna like kind of show some evidence of like a life form that's like related
primates out there. All right, cool. Yeah, that just wasn't it
at all. It was no as like bigfoot finding mission. Yeah, which
is a lot of what Shark Week has become, which is pretty upsetting.
It just feels fake. It's it feels so fake. Although I will say,
like the shark fast that we've been watching, we watched one show where
they showed the biggest great white that they've ever found in Hawaii, and honestly,
it was like kind of nice because they were so excited and there wasn't
a lot of like dun dun, you know. Yeah, and she was
like just chilling. Yeah, she was just hanging out. There's dead whale.
So she was there for the dead whale and she the shark went up
to the boat and she was like touching it and they're like, oh,
she probably thinks that this is like a chunk of the dead whale. And
it wasn't like she's trying to kill us. That was a different episode,
different shark. No, it wasn't. This was that was the other eighteen
foot shark. That was the never before seen one. That's what I'm talking
about. No, deep Blue was known for a long while. Deep Blue
was like a famous one that tagged in like nineteen ninety five or something like
that, and then that other one, the other eighteen foot shark, was
a different shark. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Yeah, then
there's a lot of big sharks out there anyways. So here's the lineup of
Shark Week. And obviously, like this is coming out the Wednesday during Shark
Week for Discovery. So some of the shows I'm gonna talk about will have
aired, but as we're recording this, they haven't aired yet, which is
weird. I'm gonna try and stay on track. Okay, So the first
one and these are this is not like an all encopassing list. This is
just like the interesting, ridiculous ones that I thought were worth mentioning. So
first one on Sunday, Belly of the Beast Feeding Frenzy is a show that
we'll have scientists inside a decoy whale carcass ass being fed on by great whites
in South Africa. This is a show, right, No, sous,
You're very bad idea, thank you, because we were just like we were
just talking about, we were watching show that had a great white feeding on
a whale carcass and they're gonna be inside of one, we are currently watching
Sharks versus Dolphins Blood, Starks versus Dolphins Blood. What a fucking title.
Yeah, these are very like click baity. Yeah, yeah for sure.
And then there's on Sunday Jaws versus the meg Oh my God, which claims
that great white sharks cause Megalodon extinctions? Uh do you think that to be
true? Well, you know what, Nick will have to watch it and
find out it will be super accurate. I am very sure of that.
I mean it's Discovery like they only do facts. And then on Tuesday there's
make O Mania Battle for California exploring quote super makos off the coast of Los
Angeles. What do you think makes up a super Makos? Like the size
or yeah, big, big, big hours. You know what? It
might all the tune in. Yeah, all the pollution in California is irradiating
the sharks and making them cooler. We will talk about California sharks more later
on. I'm excited. And then the night that this episode comes out at
nine pm Eastern Standard Time, there's Florida Shark Blood in the Water and the
episode description was quote to conduct experiments that will confirm what makes these day just
waters and determines methods to mitigate the risk. That sounds so like generic and
basic. It's like Whire's Florida's Waters, dangerous wire sharks. Here, there's
a thousand things before that can kill you, Like yep, I don't know,
okay that it might not be a great shark okay. And then the
biggest one, Oh no, the night that this episode comes out at ten
pm, there is cocaine shark. No fucking way they're cocaine cocaine shark.
Here's the episode description. For decades, rumors of cocaine fueled sharks have been
whispered throughout the fishing community. Shark expert Tom Hurd travels to the Florida Keys
to investigate what happens when the sharks coming in contact with the most notorious drug
on the planet. They probably just die. Yep, like that are nothing.
Maybe I like cocaine sharks. I don't know what they're trying to prove
here, Like it makes crazy, but like no, they're trying to pick
back off cocaine era, which everybody is. Isn't there like a cocaine and
gator coming out or something like that, croque or meth gator. Yeah,
meth gator. Meth Gator. No, that would be a Florida thing,
Like that's where we need to be watching O meth gator. Oh god,
see it sucks because, like I feel like all the half decent educational shit
that is on Discover for Shark week now it's from like two thousand and two.
Yeah, yeah, it all sucks. Okay, last one Thursday,
this is actually I think it gonna be a good one Thursday, the twenty
seven, there's an interesting episode with Forest Galante I like him, yeah,
titled Shark versus Snake Battle of the Bites, and the description is quote,
tiger sharks are washing up dead on the beaches of Western Australia with no sign
of attack. Forest Galante has a theory that deadly sea snakes are turning these
apex predators into pray. I think that sounds interesting. I will I will
only give it any credibilit because it's forced if like this was if they just
put this out there without forced nam on it, or like, okay,
well this is fucking stupid. Maybe it's because you know the water's reaching one
hundred and point degrees, but whatever, Yeah, and so Forrest go.
Well. Also, the orchards are like cutting out their livers, cutting their
livers. That's off. They're doing that off of Africa. This is in
Australia. But anyways, either way, So if you don't know Forrest Galante,
he has had a few shows on like Animal Planet and Discovery. He
is known for discovering or like rediscovering species that we've declared extinct, like the
tortoise in the Galopkos. He was part of the team that rediscovered that.
He also has a podcast called Wild Times, and it's like that's pretty good.
It's yeah, I used to listen to it more. It's like a
pretty bro podcast. If that's it's very bro. But it's like nature BROI
yeah, and like he's like a legitimate biologist and he actually talks about his
experiences with like filming Shark Week and stuff like that, and he talks about
how ridiculous it can be and how like it's frustrating for him as a biologist,
where he's like this is so cool and they're like, no, you
got to go back and like, you know, make it crazy, be
like more in danger. Yeah, No. One of my favorite things they
do on their podcast, So they have people like send in evidence of like
thoughts to be extinct creatures, and they analyzing how I talk about whether or
not they think it's credible. I like that. Speaking of Nick and I,
we haven't recorded it yet, but it's coming. Our next bonus episode
is going to be on de extinction. I'm very excited me too. We're
gonna talk about the megalodon. Do we have to we can just a brief
mention. Oh yeah, we will, but like, yeah, we don't
have to go like super new. There's plenty of other interesting things. There's
so much other shit going to the extinction, like the fucking megalodon. Stuff's
kind of ahead. What are we doing? I don't mean you, I
mean just in general. Why is everyone? I mean, yeah, so
that'll be good. I'm really excited for that one. I'm just like reading
some books and stuff for it. So I'm still reading the twelve interesting tiger
stark facts found on cool Kid Facts. Give us one more, Nick,
Oh again, this is a tiger shark list. This is fact number three.
Tiger sarks are aggressive. Wow. I know this is breaking news.
This is pretty crazy and this is a good website. Speaking of bonus episodes,
you can join us on patreon dot com slash Candle Live podcast, where
you can get bonus episodes. I'm still working on our video podcast. I'm
just gonna ask you that, dude, I don't think no fucking idea.
So I probably looked at it like every other day, trying to get something
going, and I used work on it for like half an hour and then
you're like, well, I'm like, I've gone nowhere. I have literally
no fucking idea what I'm doing. So we're still working on working on that.
Yeah, So let's go over some twenty twenty three statistics so far.
So I found, first off, conflicting information shocking on how many reported shark
attacks have occurred this year. So Time Magazine reported in a July seventh,
twenty twenty three article that thirty seven people worldwide have been attacked so far,
six of which were fatal. And then there's a website called trackingsharks dot com,
which reported as of July sixth, that there have been forty two shark
bites on humans this year, and seven of which were fatal. So trackingsharks
dot Com says that so far, eleven bites have occurred in Florida in the
US, obviously, eleven have occurred in Florida, three in Hawaii, five
in New York, and one in South Carolina. And two of these bites
were provoked. So there's like a lot of these that are in the United
States. Yeah, fun fact the United I don't know if we've ever I'm
sure I've said at some point, but the United States is the shark attack
capital of the world. No shit, Yes, I had no idea.
Yep. Oh cool, cool, So woo fucking with the animals? What
we get? So let's continue with the Time magazine article because I see them
as like a more reputable source and they had some pretty good statistics. So
Time Magazine has pointed out that there's been an increase in incidents with sharks between
nineteen fifty and twenty twenty, with a peak of one hundred and eleven incidents
in twenty fifteen around the world. Damn. But when you calculate that,
so like the actual rate of shark attacks since then? Given the amount of
people in the world, back in nineteen fifty there were two point five billion
people, and as of twenty twenty three, there's over eight billion. How
the fuck did we blow up that fast? People be fucking people. Be
fucking So actually, the rate of shark attacks per how many humans there are
in the world in nineteen fifty was point zero one two attacks per million people,
and as of twenty it was point zero one per million people. I
never really understood how you can put like status like that, like on the
rate of attacks, because not everyone lives on the water, of course,
Like I feel like the population around like places that sharks are would make more
sense, like we don't need an home. Well yeah, and also it's
hard to calculate this because not everyone goes in the water, and you don't
know how often people are in the water and like for what periods of time,
what times a day, so like these stats are really hard to calculate,
which makes sense. But so yeah, as of nineteen fifty it was
point zero twelve per million people, and then as of twenty twenty it was
point zero ten per million people. So the raid's actually gone down if you
like, consider how many people are alive today. Oh yeah, yeah,
big time. Well we'd also probably kill a lot more sharks yep, yeah,
big ten. So now, a professor by the name of Christopher Neff
at the University of Sydney claims that there's such a thing as the Jaws effect,
and the movie Jaws came out in nineteen seventy five, and although shark
attacks had already been in decline years before the movie came out, in nineteen
seventy seven, shark attacks on humans worldwide hidden all time low of three point
zero eight attacks per billion people. Yeah, and Professor Neff believes the psychological
terror that the movie caused actually caused some people to stay out of the ocean,
which could have lowered attacks. So that's like, it wasn't even the
fact that the sharks aren't atacking people anymore, it's people aren't going in the
water because they're a fit of sharks. Holy shit. Well, Also,
like I don't know how you could prove that unless you go back and interview
anybody, like everything, Are you staying on the water because you're a fad
of sharks? But I mean, even today, how many people do we
know? Like I know so many people that won't go in the ocean or
in murky water because they're afraid. Is it because of sharks? Though in
the ocean, yes, you think so. The people I know that don't
want to go in the ocean. It's literally because of sharks. That's so
weird. Yeah, I know. Well, also, guys, can we
talk about the fact that when you go to the beach, the best part
is going in the ocean. I will like one of the first things I
do and get to the beach the soul Yeah, full sprints of the water,
just like do a flip into it. Yeah. I've been to the
beach really in years because no one wants to go swimming with me. Besides,
they compare. I mean, we never go to the beach though.
I don't. I really don't care. I hot take. I don't want
to see in the sun for eight No, I'm white and I burn,
you burn vapor. Yeah, okay, So anyway's back to sharks. So
this Jaws effect was discussed a bit in the Ologys episode with Sharks with Doctor
Crystlow that we mentioned, which I will link at the episode description, and
he says people like to feel scared because it gives you adrenaline, which is
like happy juice for your brain, and the messaging from a movie like Jaws
can be really powerful. But also that's why Shark Week exists and why it's
not all educational programming because people want to be scared, so they make more
money and more people watch if it's scary and not just educational. I mean
I know the stats behind it, though, I know how unlikely it is
to get attacked by a shark. So just again, we live in New
England, so it's not really we're not super concerned about the attacked by a
shark in New England. But if you live like Australia, I'm sure it's
a different story. Actually, what I've learned is that case Cod in Massachusetts
is like the stranding capital of the US for marine animals. Ah. Sometimes
I think a woman was bitten in the past few years off Cave Cod in
the past few years, you know, in Florida exactly, compared to like
newsmyre and a beach like well, also it depends on what kind of shark
we're talking about. Yeah, so we'll get into that. But essentially my
point here is like fear cells and that's why true crime is such a big
business, and frankly, that's like half the reason that we're here. Like
not that it's not saying that, like you all like to hear people being
attacked by animals, but like it's the fear and the adrenaline of like,
oh my god, that happened to somebody. Yeah, but hopefully in our
case, you will take information away that will make you less scared. That's
what we're trying to do. That's what we're trying to do. And this
is something that Jada really tried to hit home with people in our episode with
her, is that we need more communication about sharks and not centered around them
attacking people and things like shark We should be less clickbaity like sharks do all
things blood bath, shift blame off the sharks and onto another animal orcus stingrays.
Honestly, I want to shift blame blame the sting rays. A lot
of people don't like sting rays because of steverwin correct. Yeah, Hey,
they didn't do anything wrong either, Okay, Nah, they get to smoke
on site, don't fucking matter. Also, like they I feel I am
more worried about stingrays if I'm going in like chocolate artists than sharks because they're
in shallow water, Like you don't see them until you do the sting rays
shuffle and then you get fucking stabbed. Yeah. Yeah, but also the
odds of like a sting ray stabbing you in the heart is like, oh
that, I'm incredibly low, like not really worried about that. Yeah,
that's a different story, all right. So I feel like I've been pretty
light on the scientific studies in recent episodes, So I'm gonna go back on
that kind of hard. I like it cool. Great. In a twenty
twenty one study titled North Pacific Warming shifts the juvenile range of a Marine apex
predator, co authored by doctor Chrislow, who's in the Ologies podcast, they
began researching why there was an unprecedented amount of white shark sightings in Monterey Bay
in California in twenty fourteen. In the following years. Before twenty fourteen,
seeing juvenile white sharks in Monterey Bay was extremely rare or unheard of. But
following a warm mass of water known as the Pacific warm Anomaly or the blob
Oo, small white sharks were spotted in the area. Did you ever hear
about this because you were in California at that No, that was right before
you were in there. I never heard about that. Okay, So this
was concerning for a few reasons. Number One, the sharks were spotted very
close to human activities in waters close to shore. Two it threatened local fisheries
that did not have to deal with this predation from juvenile white sharks before.
And three it had other implications for species in the area, such as sea
otters, who in this area had not lived around these juvenile sharks before.
But as of twenty twenty one, sea otter strandings with bites from sharks was
the greatest source of mortality facing the otters. Wow, yeah, that's actually
a big deal. And note that I said strandings, as in like the
sharks would do an investigatory bite on an otter which would end up killing or
maiming it, but they didn't eat them. Ye, escape on some land.
Yeah, yeah, of course the order would escape onto land. No,
it's either like the sharp biting and killed because otters are small and like
well yeah, I mean seats are like large relatively, or they would like
fatally wound it and then it would just like strand on shore, but they
would bite them and closse Yeah, because obviously otter for very different from seal
fur. I'm surprised to hear that, like these animals aren't used to being
around great waists because like In my mind, I imagine Monterey Bay as like
a great white capital juvenile so only okay, so it's only adults that really
hunt, yes, normally, yes, Because so the reasoning was like there
are seals in that area, like sea lions, so the bigger sharks would
go eat those, but the smaller sharks had been more southern and would eat
smaller prey items. So to me, the reason that this has like worse
implications is because they're not as experienced. Yeah, that would make sense.
So they're juvenile sharks that are doing investigatory bikees to trying to figure out what
food is, and that's kind of the issue when they're around humans because like
we've talked about a large source of like quote attacks, are them doing investigatory
bites, but their giant mouths bite are fleshy sec Yeah. And the point
me also mentioning this was climate change is real and is affecting species as we
speak. So as the ocean worms, you will start to see species in
places they have not been before, like these juvenile sharks in Monterey Bay,
and sharks and places they haven't historically been in before or haven't been in before
in large numbers. Could impact the amount of human shark conflicts that we see
in the future. Shit, yeah, so things to keep in mind.
I mean, like there's been orcas sided off the coast of like New England,
and I don't know how normal that is. I have no idea.
I didn't know. Is that a crazy thing? I don't know, maybe
not. So the juvenile sharks us you stay away from colder water. Is
that kind of why that mass of warm water coming in and that was able
to allow the smaller starks to live? Yes? Cool? Yeah wow for
some things. Yeah yeah, but I mean it's it's good to point out
too that like climate change doesn't affect everybody and all animals equally, right,
So, like some animals will benefit from climate change, So these sharks might
benefit from like, you know, bigger food items when they're younger, But
that's bad for animals like seatters. But I think seotters are doing okay,
Like it's not like these juvenile white sharks are like absolutely decimating these populations,
but it is an issue for shots were like on the brink you extinction froll
Yeah yeah, oh yeah, but they've been coming back well from what I
understand. Yeah, okay, cool, yeah, So now let's stay on
the topic of trends. And I think we've talked about this before, but
as of twenty twenty two, once again, the United States accounted for seventy
two percent of the world's confirmed shark attack cases. It's confirmed. The important
part of that, Yeah, okay, because like I mean, I know,
I mean, like, do we really have the most attacks or just
other people not reporting it? That's a great point. Yeah, I don't
know, like there's a bunch of attacks off like the coast of Somalia,
Like that's a nation that is does a lot of ocean fairing and every Yeah,
yeah, I mean that could be an option. But also I'm not
sure if we explicitly have talked about this before, but there's a huge lack
of understanding of what types of sharks are responsible for the most bites. Oh
really, So when I say confirmed, that's like a shark did this,
and maybe a species is confirmed. But like we're about to talk about some
things where like people were bit but they don't know from what. Oh okay,
So, like the pattern of a bite is kind of similar from shark
the shark or from like sharks to other species as well. Like I don't
say species, but like other groups of animals. So are there other fish
out there that a sack people that would that's a great I mean baracoud is
probably bite people, right, I have no idea. They look scary,
they got teeth. I think actually googled barcout attack one day and I think
someone asked us about that. Yeah, yeah, I mean either way.
So we mentioned in our twenty twenty two wrap up that black tip sharks tend
to bite them most people in Florida, just because they're so common and they
live near the shore. But most shark bites don't have accurate species id because
as we can all assume, as you're being bitten by a shark, you're
probably not taking like each detail that would identify it. No, definitely not.
Yeah, size would be the first thing you looked at, and either
you'd say big or small. Yeah, six with sharks might not help because
it could be a small like great white, or it could be like a
huge black tip or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. And also we've
talked about before with any species, like as you're being attacked, you tend
to overestimate the size of the animal too. Yeah, So I looked into
a twenty nineteen study titled Trends and Global Shark Attacks, which found that worldwide,
white sharks, bull sharks, and tiger sharks account for a majority of
shark attacks and fatalities. All sharks scary, I think. I think bull
sharkscarve me the most. Tiger sharks are really scary. Yeah, but they
look cool. I mean, they all look cool, but specifically in the
US. I obviously just mentioned that Florida has like black tip sharks that bite
people, But in Hawaii, for example, attacks are primarily from tiger sharks,
and the Gulf of Mexico attacks were thought to be primarily from bull sharks.
Did you know that tiger starve's the fourth largest shark? I do know.
Can you name the other ones? Stick? Uh? Yeah, great
white bull and whale shark that just like off the top of the top my
head. Okay, well, I think that's a pretty good guess. The
bull shark might be the one that's not there, but who knows, meg
Ashley, it's number one. Yeah. So then after this, I thought,
wait, what about greenland sharks? I don't know, dude, I'm
not a shark, don't I don't know. See, these are the things
that I don't look up because I'm like, he's not gonna ask you never
to greenland sharks is a wild pol so I don't worry about that. Yeah,
thank you so much. So I felt downe a rabbit hole because I
saw a study titled Forensic Genetic Identification of Sharks involved in Human Attacks. It
sounds like a rabbit pretty spot. So this is published in twenty twenty one,
so it's really recent and they use forensic techniques to determine what sharks are
responsible for what bites, which I thought was like so fascinating for somebody reasons.
So I'll read a quick blurb from their discussion quote. Here, we
provide two genetic approaches to reliably identify species and or individuals involved in shark attacks
on humans based on a non invasive DNA sampling ie DNA traces present on bite
wounds on victims. Depending on the knowledge of previous attack history at the site.
The first approach us is barcoding techniques allowing species identification, while the second
relies on microsatellite genotyping allowing species identification confirmation and individual identification but requiring an a
priori of the potential species involved. The attack. I don't know what that
means. Both approaches were validated by investigating two shark attacks that occurred in Reunion
Islands, southwestern Indian Ocean, and according to both methods, each incident was
attributed to a bull shark in agreement with suggestions derived from bite wound characteristics.
So basically, that long scientific blurb means they knew or had a guess that
these two shark attacks in this one area were caused by bull sharks, and
then they took DNA from the bites and confirmed genetically that it was a bull
shark. Is there any confirmation biased in that? Like it would it be
possible because we talk about bias the last Oh my god, that's a really
good point. So they're just trying to say, like, hey, we
were right, these are bull sharks. And if this is a part of
the world where maybe shark fishing is legalized or encouraged or looked past, it
could be an easy way to be like, oh, yeah, we need
cold bull sharks. I'm just making that up. Yeah, I don't know
if that, like, if it was that deep. I always assume people
are are for bad reasons. That's fair. I mean, we do kill
a lot of sharks. What was the statistic you said earlier? Oh man,
it's like eleven thousand sharks are killed every hour. Yeah, I think
I'm on the page right now. I just have to find where it is
cool Kid Facts. No, no, no, that's a different Yeah.
I have a different website too for cool facts. We murder eleven thousand sharks
every hour. Yeah, you have something like that. Yeah, like eleven
thousand sharks an hour is so like, in the course of you listening to
this podcast, eleven thousand sharks will die. That's gross. It's really upsetting
considering that, like they killed maybe six of us a year, and I'm
not one that's going to be like, oh, we need zero shark hunting
or serah shark fishing. Like sorry if it was not going to be that
way, but that's insane. Eleven thousand sharks and hours. It's not sustainable
at all, and just it's all for fucking shark fin soup. Like they're
cutting off the fins and throwing the dead bodies back into the fucking water.
Like we we did talk about that. It's so fucked up. I hate
that part of it. It's really upsetting. But I know we're all here
for attacks, so let's just start getting into some recent ones. Oh boy,
let's start with really recent. In New York. On July fourth,
the day that we recorded our last episode, Man, multiple people were allegedly
bitten by sharks on the coast of New York. Was it the same shark?
They have no idea, Yes, did you just learn anything? My
bad? Yeah? No, you're right, they have no idea. So
specifically, two people are bitten on the fourth of July, sixty miles apart.
One of those bites occurring off of Fire Island Pines. A forty nine
year old man was swimming near the beach and claimed to be bitten on the
hand by a shark. And then the other bite occurred when a forty seven
year old man was up to his chest in the ocean and the hims when
he felt a bite on his right knee. Do we have any idea about
the size of these sharks? No? Really? Yeah? Oh shit?
Yeah. And then so both of these bites occurred before two pm, so
it's not like they were swimming at Donner Dusk right where sharks might be more
active. But the day before this, so July third, near Fire Island
Pines, a fifteen year old boy was surfing and claimed he was bitten in
the foot by a shark. Holy sh And then the same day, a
fifteen year old girl was treated for an alleged shark bite to the leg while
she was swimming on Robert Moses Beach. So it's so weird that like the
day before, it was two fourty year old dudes, in the next day
it was two like fifteen year old kids. So there were four attacks in
New York for twenty four hours. Holy shit. Yeah. But the thing
about these attacks is that no species was confirmed, and in the case of
the fifteen year old girl bitten, she didn't see what bit her, and
lifeguards couldn't confirm what did bite her, and they sent out drones to look
for sharks in the water, but none were found. I mean, if
it's a small shark that just looks like a fish, like, how would
you build identiy. Yeah, I think we've talked about this before too,
but like, using biitemarks to identify species is really challenging, and there's not
a ton of consensus among experts on like what bitemark would belong to what species?
Yes, so I imagine that'd figure out. Yeah. So Also what
I found interesting these lifeguards in New York are being trained to use drones to
monitor for sharks. It's actually the lifeguards doing the drone monitoring. Cool,
But experts who like actually for their living like look for sharks using drones says
that, let alone, trying to identify a shark species by drone is like
really difficult. Like, for example, there was a report in early July
of this year that fifty sand sharks were spotted using a drone off of like
the coast of New York. But shark expert and researcher Greg Metzger was like,
they were not sand sharks at all. How does he know because he's
an expert, these lifeguards are not. And two, even if a shark
were in shallower waters, it wouldn't be at the surface where it could be
spotted by a drone. So it's not a great method for like lifeguards to
do like emergency like searching for sharks. Do you know he presented what sharks
he thinks that they were? No, Yeah, I couldn't find that.
Well. Also it might not have even been sharks. That such great point.
Yeah, he was like, there were definitely not sand sharks, but
I don't know what to wear. But there has been an increase in bites
in the past year in New York, with eight people being bitten last year.
Yeah, that seems insane. Yeah, And I think it's important to
note too though that like, no one has died, and these were just
singular bites if they were from sharks, so just like investigatory once again,
if they were from sharks, we don't know for assuming though. Yeah.
And and this is where we get into the nasty ones ah flock. An
unprecedented attack happened this year. Earlier this year. I'm not going chronologically this
time. I'm going to actually backwards honestly. So on January fifth, around
eleven thirty am, a middle aged man named Manuel Lopez was diving in Tobari
Bay in Mexico for mollusks. So he was at depths between thirty six to
fifty nine feet or eleven to eighteen meters for our European friends or anyone that's
not America, and he was using a surface supply to air sorts, which
is reported as a quote scupa like apparatus that connects the diver to a compressed
air, soortce on a boat through a series of pipes. So he's connected
to a boat by a hose yeah, to breathe. Yeah. And then
there was two other fishermen that were on like a support boat to like assist.
Yeah. So there was no report of the clarity of the water in
this situation, because murky waters can make it even harder for sharks to see
and we already know that they have already poor eyesight. So no idea.
But the situation was with the water. Local authorities had been advising people to
wear brightly colored wetsuits to set them apart from seals, but most wetsuits are
black or dark colors. You know, I don't know, I I don't
know. It seems like a bad idea, Like if you are in a
wet suit, like I kind of would have wanted to be bright yellow or
something, so if I get lost or heard or something, they can see
me using I mean, so Nick, look at the TV as we're watching
Shark Fast right now, like they're wearing dark blue. Yeah, like that
sweatsuits. Like a bad idea, doesn't it, yea. Although we did
see one girl that that girl own that was named shit she saw and why
her wet suit was like a shiny ocean like it looked like the ocean water,
which is I don't know if that's better or worse. I'm curious about
that. I wonder if there's a reason that there were certain color I don't
know, but people were saying like, it's hard to find bright ones first,
and it's also difficult to test the hypothesis that bright colors would ward off
an attack or by you know what I mean, Well, you want to
find out, I guess just look at like wearing. Hey, if you
were bitten, what were you wearing? Which is kind of shitty, so
right, oh Jesus Christ. But beyond that, I found like a really
interesting suggestion, which was to paint stripes on the wet suits to make them
resemble venomous coral snakes. Interesting ocean, I guess, why not, Like
at this point, might as well do something. Yeah, and if Forrest
Galante is right, then the sharks do have to fear the snakesh So anyways,
Manuela's looking for mollusks, so commonly when you're doing that, you are
walking on the ocean floor, right, Yeah. I should also note that
fishermen in the area had been worn to avoid fishing at this time of year
because there's an increase in shark activity between December and January when pregnant females are
in the area. Pregnant pissed off ladies. But there was also a shortage
of seafood at the time, so it was in high demand, so like
worth more money at this time. So Manuel chose to go diving because he
needed the money, and thousands of other fishermen had actually been choosing to stay
on shore due to the presence of sharks at this time. And fishermen can
receive two hundred paces a year to supplement their lost income, but that equates
to like not even four hundred and thirty US dollars, which is not a
livable income by it means also a year. Yeah, yeah. So as
Manuel was walking along the bottom of the ocean, he was bitten by what
was reported to be a nineteen foot long or five point eight meter great white
shark. However, because of how he was positioned on the bottom of the
ocean, the shark could not come up from behind him or below him because
he's standing on the bottom, standing on the ocean, so it bit his
shoulders in the process of biting Manuel, the shark decapitated him. Oh,
no fucking way, because it bit his shoulders, so when it tore away,
it tore off his head. Oh fuck. So experts, including doctor
Chris Low he comes up a lot. He's the shark Ey said, quote
as rare as shark bites, when humans can be decapitation is even more rare.
Yeah. And another marine biologist, Gavin Naylor from the University of Florida,
What's up? Who runs the International Shark Attack Files ISAF, which we've
talked about on this podcast before because they keep track of like yearly stats and
they report like the actual members and stuff. So he said that sixty percent
of shark attacks recorded by the ISAF were murky water with reduced visibility, but
once again, we don't know if that was the case here. And Chris
said that the smell of the shellfish around the diver could have lowered the shark
to the area because whenever people are fishing, sharks are drawn to the smells
of the fish or they invertebrates like scallops or lobsters, and they're also drawn
to the vibrations of a struggling animal. Oh, yeah, makes it.
But of course Chris said, like, without having prior knowledge of what was
happening, it's difficult to say why Manuel was killed this way. No,
yeah, I mean could have been a billion reasons because like this, he
does this probably every day he goes down and it's just for these animals.
So it's like, why why did today end in him being decapitated by a
shark? Yeah, which is fucked crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. And
other fishermen in the area said that sometimes they'll catch sea lions and their fishing
nets, which just a quick side note that by catch is the number one
leading cause of death and marine mammals, just saying, okay, so sometimes
they'll catch the lions and sea lions and their fishing nets, and when this
happens, sometimes sharks will approach the boats, but they'll wait until the sea
lions are released. Ah, which is really sad. Yeah, you have
to throw a sea Oh I caught you here, I'm gonna let you go
some my net doesn't kill you, but you're going right in the mouth of
a shark. Is better than being wasted. But oh yeah, I'm sure.
But it's like whenever you see the videos of like the fucking sea line
shupping on people's boats or yeah. But but the fisherman noted here though,
that the sharks would leave the nets and the boats alone, so like they
knew what they were doing, like they're waiting for the seal. Yeah.
Yeah. But in twenty twenty two, a diver in the same area was
killed by a shark while looking for the same mollusks on February twelfth, So
this is like around the same time that like the pregnant females would be there.
And his name was Victor Astrea, also a middle aged man and also
using a surface supplied air source. So his friend was on the boat,
like the support boat, and he saw that the hoses were moving quote erratically
and began pulling him up from the seafloor. And as his friend was being
pulled up, he was actively being bitten by a shark. Oh my god,
ultimately fatally wounded him. It's like being a fucking fishing larder. Yeah,
and he like literally had to beat the shark off of his friend.
Oh my god. Yeah. And then in twenty eighteen, in December,
naham Aguilera a fisherman. Do you think it's nihen, it's nahum, okay,
I'm sorry, we can start that. I'm sorry about that. No,
it's okay. Hey, you know, I'm just trying to get it
right. Yeah. So he had jumped in the water and later was seen
floating at the surface. Oh fuck, and his friends feared that he was
having like a medical emergency, but as they retrieved him, a shark had
torn open his leg, torn open his abdomen, and gravely injured his right
thigh. Fuck man. And he was also reported to have a dislocated shoulder
and injuries on his left hand that indicated that he may have tried to fight
the shark off. Why is being pulled up? No? So this guy
was found floating oh yeah, okay, he was killed under water and then
floated to the top, but it was like evidence that he had been trying
to fight the shark back he was killed immediately. Y yeah. And now
in a similar and horrifying attack that was caught on video. Is the one
you showed me earlier, That's the one that you insisted on seeing. Yes,
insisted is a strong word. Twenty three year old Vladimir Popov was visiting
a coastal city in Egypt on June eighth, twenty twenty three with his father,
a friend, and his girlfriend. He was a Russian man and had
been living in Egypt for a few months and he was in the water of
the Red Sea that day with his friend and girlfriend when a tiger shark appeared.
The girlfriend and friend swam the twenty two feet back to shore, but
the tiger shark grabbed Vladimir's leg before he could escape the water. And the
video was from a bystander, and it shows Vladimir screaming for his father as
he's being pulled underwater multiple times, and like in the process of him being
pulled under like he'll pop back up after a few seconds, but there's one
point where like just his legs pop out of the water and Nikki us completely
so hard. It was so so The only reason I watched it because you
know, we talked in their episode with Jada where she was like very careful
to call them shark attacks and just like call them shark encounters or whatever.
But I was like, Okay, what happened here, So I'm I'm gonna
tell you how he was found. But I wanted to watch because I was
like, is this this seems like more than just a bite, you know
what I mean. And you also watched it. It was straight up attacking
him like it was so violent. This is not score and invested, investigatory
invested, I can't say mollocks and invest Oh my god, yeah that thing
investigatory bite. I want to try again, but I think we've gone melt
melt melt. Okay. So obviously, like the video, you can find
it on YouTube, but it was so it's so it's so sad very it's
horrifying. Yeah, no, I mean, and there's people this recording and
screaming like yeah. And so after his legs come out of the water,
a few seconds go by, and then his head emerges and he actually starts
to like try to swim back to shore towards his father, but then you
see the shark surface behind him and it pulls him under again, and his
head pops up again and then goes under and then you can see the shark
like on its side at the surface, thrashing its tail. It was it
was bad. The video of the attack lasts for fifty seconds before a boat
arrived, so he's actively being attacked for probably at least a minute. I
think it's like a really fast response time too, within a minute for a
boat to yeah there, that's pretty crazy. Yeah. So Vladimir was pulled
from the water by his severely injured legs and just his torso was left,
and his head was gone. You're fucking kidding me. No, both legs,
both arms and the head gone. No, no, no. So
he was pulled up by his legs. His legs were severely injured, but
just really his torso was left. His head was gone. Oh my god.
Yeah. So, shortly after the attack, and like you can see
towards the end of the video, like a boat pulls up, other boats
arrive and there was a tiger shark in the area. So the men surrounded
the shark with nets and boats and beat the shark, and they beat it
all the way to shore, and then on shore continued to beat the shark
until they were sure it was dead. It was a pregnant female, and
the shark was estimated to be twelve feet long and nee cropsy photos did not
show remains of humans in her stomach. However, officials then said that his
head and hand were removed from the shark's stomach, but not included in a
nee cropsy photos. Some shark researchers dispute this and think that the actual shark
that killed Vladimir was the same shark involved in the deaths of two tourists last
year in the same area. No shit, Yeah, I don't know how
they'd be able to confide. How would you even know, like DNA testling
with that even I know, but like from back then, Yeah, I
don't know how you do that. So but as we know, places that
experienced shark attacks often tried to not disclose what actually happened or wanted to be
over quickly so that tourism can get Yeah, and I mean there was another
shark attack that happened this year that occurred in the Bahamas where seventy three year
old Heidi Ernst was just over her five hundredth dive in the ocean, like
it was a few after that, And this was on June seventh, twenty
twenty three, And she had like gotten into the water to rinse off,
so she didn't have like flippers on or anything, and as she was climbing
out of the water, she like kicked her foot to the side because she
normally does that with flippers on for whatever reason I'm not a diver. And
as she did, that shark grabbed her foot and she suspected it was a
reef shark and managed to hit the shark, causing it to release. And
like before she had even hopped in the water, she noticed that the it
was like a glass boat tour that was chumming the waters. Oh see sharks.
So like, I don't want to say, she like kind of stop
coming, but like a little bit, and her friend, So her friend
pulled her back onto the boat and applied to tournique and she was rushed to
a local hospital and then taken by helicopter to a trauma center of Miami,
but she ultimately ended up losing her foot due to infection. Wow, but
like to that point, I've visited Bermuda and the Virgin Islands and they tell
you there are no sharks, do they? Yeah? Because I so when
I was in the Virgin Islands, like I went snorkeling and there was like
giant fish and like birds everywhere. It was really cool. But like we
asked them, hey, what's the deal with sharks, Like, Oh,
there's just not around here. It's bullshit because they're trying to like make so
you're not scared. Yeah. Yeah, So I've also been to the Virgin
Lions once and then we saw Barracuda and it's scared the shit out of me.
So, like I imagine if I saw should we go with the same
person? Yeah, hey, that same person saw a sting ray and jumped
on my back in the water. Oh that's that's interesting. Remember that one
time when you saw a spider on the side of a rock while we were
in the water and you try to drown me? Yeah, Nick and I
jumped off a cliff together and then as we were coming up out of the
water, he punched me in the face. Yeah. So really it really
evens out, doesn't it. I don't know, you try to drown me
over a spie I accident was actively chasing me? It was no, it
was not, Yes, it was oh sorry, you were too busy swimming.
Yes, in the water. The spider cant to us. Yes,
I digress. So those were like really the attacks. I want to talk
about this here, but I want to end, of course, on staying
safe, and we've talked about this in previous episodes of Sharks, but let's
just go over some like quick tips. First of all, if you never
go in the ocean, you're not gonna be attacked by a shark. That's
just number one. I don't know a bull sharks, man, sharknado.
Know. It made me rivers. Oh well, yeah, you know,
Oh my god, you're right. We did. In our twenty twenty two
wrap up, we talked about a shark that went up river and a taxione
in Is it Australia. I think it was Australia. Yeah, I think
so too. Yeah, you're so right. Well, if you never go
in the water, you will be bit by a shark. That's the reason
to knock on the water. But I'm just saying, like you're a risk
of being bitten by a shark if you do not go in the water is
zero. Yeah. So if you're that scared, just don't go in the
water. Yeah, but also don't be that scared. There's billions of people
that go in the water, like year after year and never only like six
people die. I mean humans just kind of in generalize the species rely on
the water a lot, so lie in the ocean. Yeah time, so
we have Yeah, but we're used and once again the course of this podcast,
eleven thousand sharks have been killed, so like the ratio, it's not
in favor of the sharks, but is in favor of you. Oh yeah,
so let's go over some safety tips. So, first of all,
you are less likely to be bitten by a shark at a crowded beach.
Is this kind of like the the old thing of I don't need to run
the bears and now around my friends. No, it's more than they just
like don't like to be near large groups of people. Oh yeah, no,
of course that does make sense. Yeah, and you figure like the
people are being super loud. You're also covered in like sunscreen, which is
gross. Yeah, people generally like give off oil which is gross, which
is generally kind of ichy. Yeah. And also predatory sharks that eat large
prey items like the ones that would eat the size of humans, tend to
isolate their prey. So oh y, swim with friends basically, yeah,
honestly, which is most advice for humans in general, is like, be
with other humans and you won't be murdered animals. Yeah, yeah, have
friends, swim in the ocean, leave sharks lom open like clear water is
the best I know. Like, that's not easy for everybody, like especially
in New England, our water is not clear at all crystal no for sure.
But if you are like diving near or around sharks, just stay in
an area where you can see them, and they know that you can see
them because they're predators. So if you're looking at them like I'm not gonna
sneak up on him, you know, eye contact, Yeah, so maintain
eye contact. Just have eyes on them at all times, some with friends
so that they can have eyes on other sharks that might be around you.
And then like we've seen in the shark Fest shows that we've been watching,
if a shark comes up to you, just boop it away. And a
lot of these again were watching these shows, they all have spotters, like
on top of the boat watching the water, making sure that there's no sharks
coming from like a different angle to come fuck up some people. Yeah exactly.
So if you are out in the middle of the water and you're diving,
first of all, you probably know more than we do, but they
should have a spotter, yeah exactly. And I mean yeah, like in
all these shows, like if you guys want to watch Shark Weeker, you
know, I don't know if any of these will be like for you know,
after the Shark Fest and Shark Week are done, if you can find
these shows anywhere, I'm sure they're gonna be all over like Disney Plus and
stuff, because yeah, do they own Discovery, right, I don't know.
I can't keep track. Discovery has their own streaming plot. But like
when you see the experienced divers, like they muckle onto the sharks and like
fuck around with them and just push their noses away, and the sharks just
like okay, yeah, I mean they the sharks don't give a fuck,
like there's kind of coming up to investigate, like actually just kind of looked
at them and check them out, like yeah, and it works. It's
like a ten foot shark. Yeah, they just gently guide their nose away.
Yeah, that's crazy. And then something that they talked about the oligies
episode, and that was mentioned in some of these articles about like the attacks
that happened, was there's now equipment that you can put on you as like
a surfer or like a diver that blocks electrical signals or like jams electrical signals
because sharks use electrosensory to hunt because they have poor eyesight. So if you're
jamming those frequencies or whatever, like your radar jamming sharks. I love that
so much so Chris Low in the Ologies episode, he was like, it
works, like it legitimately works. However, the problem is, if you
were to have one of those things on you, you might be more complacent.
Oh definitely, he'd I'm jamming there, I'm jamming their radar, so
I'm not fit and then you're an idiot. Yeah, sorry, not an
idiot, but like you might be more willing to like do risk your behavior
and not like keep an eye out for sharks. So even if you have
that equipment, still keep an eye out for them. But if you're like
super scared but you want to go diving in the ocean anyways, maybe invest
Once again, if you're investing in that kind of equipment, I really hope
you are smarter than us and are safer than we would be and you are
doing all the right way, because that would be a whole lot of fucking
money to spend to waste. Yeah. I don't know how expensive those units
are. Has to be an insane amount. Yeah, And I will say
a goal for twenty twenty four of mine is to go diving with sharks.
No shit, I would love to. Really, I've never considered it.
And then my brother was like, hey, do you want to go cage
diving? And I was like, no one's ever asked me this, but
yes, I would love to do that. But so in the Olidus episode,
Chris Low also says like he's not against shark diving while you're in a
cage, and he's done it, but he's like, now they tend to
make the bars wider for people with like big professional cameras, so smaller sharks
can get stuck in the cage with you and they don't like that. Seems
a good dumb idea. Also, to be fair, you're in a cage
attached to a rope. If the rope breaks, you sink a cage.
You're in a cage. Doesn't the top use you open? Though? I
think it probably depends. Yeah, so I would say depends, but I
think probably the best thing would just be like open ocean diving. I would
rather be in a cage. It really depends on what you're like, what
your risks level like is like, Okay, are you willing to be like
in the open ocean and you just swim to get away? Are you willing
to be in a cage. But if the cage drops, you're stuck in
a cage. If a shark gets in and you're stuck in a cage,
I'm not really worried about the cage dropping like that. I don't think that
really happens. I don't know how deep the water is either. Oh,
I mean it doesn't need to be that deep to kill us, like we
we are big fleshy babies. Yeah, that doesn't be there. Yeah,
it does offer the pressure build up in Oh, true, very true.
I don't even think of that. Yeah, yeah, fair. Yeah.
And then just the last thing, if you find yourself in the jaws of
a shark pun intended, should do hit them in their sensitive areas, which
I feel like isn't the thing that we should have to say to you.
I feel like you just probably intuitively start like punching the thing that's trying to
kill you if you are able to. But their sensitive areas are around their
eyes and their nose. Just beat the shit out of them, beat the
ship, which is hard because once again they're made of teeth, like they're
cartilaginous, and like their skin is really incredibly rough. So trying to punch
a shark while underwater to like save my life would be so hard, so
hard. Yeah, it's like you know when you're in a dream and you're
fighting people and it'say, you can't punch, Like your punches don't do anything.
I feel a bit like that. Yeah, probably, Yeah, Yeah,
gouge your eyes out, just do whatever you can to scare the shit
out of them. I mean, honestly, they're probably not used to things
like fighting them exactly. Yeah, yeah, kill them. I would.
I would do my best to go for the eyes if I'm in a spot
that I can do that. Yeah. Have you ever see the MythBusters episode
where they do that where they try to like see if you can gouge out
their rass ball the Really No, I've never seen that. No. Oh
yeah, I hate the eyes. You do hate, so I wouldn't want
to watch the gouging. It was just to yet that some of the thing
was like this, like hit a button and it would turn off the mechanical
shark. Oh, I'll be honest, if you talk about MythBusters right now,
we're gonna fight. I know. I was gonna say if I was
being attacked by anything or anyone, I don't know if I could go for
the eyes, I really don't. Oh you could stop, you would,
you know? I don't know. Man, a shark, come on,
if it's my time, it's my time. You would rather die than stick
your hands in someone's eyeball. Honestly, it's you're getting there though. You've
got contacts now, you know what I do, and it's taking contacts out
is very eyeball centric. You got to get it. Knuckle in there.
It's almost entirely eyeballs. Yeah, it's a lot for me. But anyways,
that was our episode for Shark Week. I like that. That was
fun. That's a word. Yeah, it is fun to record this together
like in person as there's like sharks on the TV, which is really fun.
That's a new thing for us. I would man, I really hope
that someday we can have like our own podcast studio and have like a TV
where we can show images and videos and stuff. I'll start putting film up
in the on the walls in my apartment. You just do it here perfect,
and then you'll have to figure out how to edit videos and stuff.
Yeah, tall order, oh man, yeah, yeah, it's going rough.
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