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Welcome to Open Minds Radio with Alejandro
Roja. Open Minds Radio is the UFO

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news authority presenting evidence on the latest
news regarding the UFO phenomena. Here's your

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host, Alejandro Roja. Wait for
the music to pay and we are on.

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Thank you so much for joining us. This is Open mind Radio where

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we talk about UFOs, the Simpsons
once in a while, we talked about

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That's about it though, really aliens, and we talk about Jason's hare that

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try. Thank you for reminding me. Is cool. Little fohak going on.

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Sometimes it's a real mohawk. It's
up to you. I don't know.

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We'll ask you later in the show
more about that. We have a

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great shows. Today. We have
the ex director of moofon, Clifford cliff

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And I was thinking about it,
and I think that by far, Clifford

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has been the wittiest movefon director in
history. And this is an organization that's

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been around since the late sixties,
so that's saying something. And I'm going

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to prove my words by having him
on the show later today because he is

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so witty, he cannot help himself
but make some jokes and be a funny

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guy and so we will prove that
later on, because he certainly will not

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be able to resist when we talk. He's a great guy. He just

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actually recently retired from MoveOn and as
a director, and so we'll talk to

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him about that. I know some
of you mayfield there is some sort of

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controversy and maybe you know, the
government caught to him. We'll ask him

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or that. Maybe he said,
you guys are jacked. I'm out of

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here, So we'll ask him about
that. Honestly, though, I already

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know it's nothing that exciting. It's
just that he needed to retire. He's

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an older guy. He's been retired
from business for a while now, and

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he has worked so hard for the
last years with move On and he wants

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it to continue in everything, but
he just doesn't have the energy anymore to

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keep it up. He's gonna kind
of tone down a little bit and relax

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and spend time with his family because
he wants to Actually, you know,

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when you retired, extra time to
spend time with family, and he wants

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to do that before the end.
So we will talk to Cliff about some

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of the great UFO cases that he
experienced during his years at Moufon. We

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will talk about maybe some of the
trials and tribulations and what he found difficult,

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but what he found good and great
and what maybe we don't see as

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a general public when it comes to
the behind the scene, some of the

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magic behind move On. If anybody
as would know that, it'll be Cliff.

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So it's going to be great.
I always love having him on.

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And he is going to be speaking
at the UFO Congress coming up in a

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couple of weeks here, so that's
great. He has a lot of cases

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move On cases that he's real excited
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he will be there doing that.
So we're excited to see Cliff again.

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He's always a lot of fun.
If you were at the Congress last year,

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you remember we he sent us kind
of a video hello to the Congress

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that we played there and that was
a lot of fun too. So now

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he will be there in person,
so that's wonderful, I think. So

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we'll talk to him in just a
few minutes. It's going to be a

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lot of fun, and it's going
to be extremely informative and you are just

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going to have a really good time
as usual listening to Openminds Radio speaking of

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having a really good time. Maureen
is helping to coordinate the UFO Congress and

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she's a lot of fun, and
that's another reason you want to come to

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the UFO Congress in two weeks.
Ladies and gentlemen, this thing is rolling

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up on us. You're going to
see Stephen Greery. You're going to see

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Colin Andrews. You're going to see
Whitley Strieber. You're going to see some

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of our buddies who we've had on
the show recently, Lee Spiegel. You're

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going to see Bryce Zabel. You're
going to see Ben Hansen from the hit

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television documentary series fact or Faked where
they're talking about UFOs and he has some

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incredible cases he sent us lately that
he says are absolutely amazing. You're going

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to see a general, Ladies and
gentlemen, and this is a general from

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a cun tree that is actually doing
real official government UFO investigations and this guy's

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in charge of it. So this
is yeah, this is gonna be really

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cool. Jason Toil excited. You
should see him over here. He's Twitter

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paid, I think would be the
good word, speaking of which, You

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know Twitter, if you follow the
open mind Stevie Twitter, you'll be able

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to get up to date on all
the latest and greatest and link A Tai,

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who we've had on the show.
I guess is now signed up for

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the Congress. I think I heard
with the latest news. I think this

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is some rumor that I heard around
here. But she's from the area,

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so I'm sure she'll be there.
There's going to be other people that'll be

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there, even if they're not going
to be speaking, such as Grant Cameron

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and Paala Harris. Some other speakers
are people that we've had on the show

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recently. I know a lot of
people love the Grant Cameron show. I

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did because Grant Cameron is awesome and
I love his research, so that was

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really cool. Yes, Dan Romanek
from Yeah Sure, he was pretty much

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one of the most popular speakers last
year, and he's going to be there

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selling books because he has a new
one out and his wife and we talked

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to her about that and we'll do
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by herself, but we talked to
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is now finished, and you'll be
able to get that. Maybe some of

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you saw them in Phoenix. They
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had a standing room only audience where
people had a lot of fun and her

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book wasn't finished then but it is
now, so you'll be able to get

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that. And the other show stopper, actually last time, the big show

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was Travis Walton, who will be
speaking again. He's the only one speaking

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again for a second time in a
row. And then everybody's favorite, especially

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if you live in Mexico, Jimaan
was Was soon will be there and he'll

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be doing a Spanish So if you
are speaking or listening to the show and

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you can't understand it because your primary
language is Spanish and you don't know much

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English, but you listen anyway because
you like to hear Ufo once in a

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while and go, oh yeah,
Ufo and that's great. Hi, Mason

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s Moussan, I start a key
in Febario. I don't know a whole

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lot of Spanish, but I'm pretty
sure I just told the Spanish list speaking

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listeners that him is going to be
here in February. I'm pretty sure that's

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what I said. So anyway,
we are talking to Spanish media because he's

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going to address and have a Spanish
kind of an address along with the General

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from Chile. We'll also of course
speak Spanish, so that's going to be

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really cool. So there's a lot
going on. It's a beautiful venue and

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it's a lot of fun. So
it's coming down to the wire. If

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you've been planning on going and you've
just been procrastinating, you better go register.

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So UFO Congress dot com. Is
there anything I forgot Jason? Okay,

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Well I just mentioned Jason, and
who is someone that you know?

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When you mentioned this guy, people
get excited. There are teenage girls screaming

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at the top of their lungs right
now because they are just so excited to

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hear from Jason McClellan, who is
always on the show every week to tell

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us about the UFO news that he
follows on a daily basis. And this

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week, yet again, we have
some spectacular news. Jason, thanks for

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being on the show again. Tell
us all about this wonderful UFO news from

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this week. I am happy to
do so, my friends, and I

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am happy that I'm the one delivering
the news and not you, because apparently

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your fact checking isn't very accurate.
Uh oh, I don't know about your

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teenage girls. Story. Oh well, you never know. I think there

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are. They're out there, all
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No, that's just Maureen civil.
I'm wrene. All right. Well,

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greetings everyone. This is your Open
Minds newspried Fer, Monday, February

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sixth, twenty twelve. I like
this story, Alejandra. This is a

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strange, cool story from a couple
weeks ago. But translucent blue spheres rained

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down from the sky in Dorset,
UK during a hailstorm two weeks ago.

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According to Popular Science. British authorities
say the quote tiny one inch gelatinous spheres

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are odorless, are not sticky,
and are not meteorological end quote. Former

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aircraft engineer Steve Hornsby discovered approximately twelve
of these spheres in his yard on the

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afternoon of Thursday, January twenty sixth. The BBC explains that Hornsby kept the

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object in his freezer to prevent them
from melting, but later determined that it

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wasn't necessary because the objects don't melt
at room temperature. There is speculation that

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these mysterious spheres could simply be quote
marine invertebrate eggs that stuck to a bird's

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feet and were carried into the air. But for now, as Popular Science

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explains, quote, no one has
any real clue what they are. Interesting.

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I actually did not hear about this
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I'm hearing about this. It wasn't
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Popular Science had an article on it, and they showed pictures of these blue

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gelatinous spheres and they rained down on
this guy's yard and he collected them,

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some of them kind of shattered but
somewhere still intact, and he put them

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in his fridge, but then took
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Did he try to eat one?
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you know, our colleague Maureen made
a good suggestion, and that you know,

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we've seen blue things from the sky
before, and blue that's the dangerous

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indicator that it could be some dumping
from an airplane lavatory. Oh, which

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just happened. But you know,
that might make sense if it were solid,

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you know, melted or frozen from
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down. But this remained in this
ball form, so weird. I don't

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think it was toilet material. But
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what the heck, this is yeah. I mean, the only theory they

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could come up with was this marine
invertebrate eggs, which seems kind of weird.

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I mean, these didn't look like
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a marine biologist. I don't know
about eggs of birds or anything. But

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these were squishy, blue, kind
of yellow balls. Very strange, very

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strange. Yeah, I'm surprised more
people didn't pick up on it. But

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yeah, because that's weird stuff.
That's cool. But I'll keep looking for

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additional information on that. I hope
they do some sort of testing or something.

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It's fascinating. Very another great story
out of the UK. They always

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delivered the good stories. Yep.
Well here's a good story from Mexico.

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A UFO over an airport in Mexicoli, Mexico, last week, and the

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craft was reportedly pursued by the police. According to Lavaze de la Fronterra,

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police received hundreds of calls about a
strange device in the air. The UFO

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was seen in the area of the
Mexicoli airport and was described by witnesses as

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a round object emitting white light.
Witnesses also reported seeing blue and yellow flashing

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lights on the object. One of
the police officers who pursued the object explained

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that the UFO moved at a very
fast, very fast speeds, moving up,

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down and sideways, and would suddenly
change its course. The website io

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nine suggests that the UFO recorded on
video over Tijuana, Mexico on January twenty

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seventh, could be the same UFO
that taunted police in Mexicali, as they

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say, but that's just speculation they
made. So there were two UFOs,

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one in Tijuana and one in Mexicoli. They weren't necessarily related, but they

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what they look like seemed to share
a little bit of similarities based on their

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description. But the one that received
hundreds of calls from witnesses and resulted in

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the pursuit by police is pretty fascinating. And it was on video. Someone

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got a video, Yeah, and
I mean the video doesn't tell us a

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lot. It's a bright light in
the sky, although it was this was

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a daytime one, right, I'm
pretty sure this was a daytime one or

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was it night I can't remember right
now, but a bright light in the

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sky, but it's still hard to
tell what it might be. So here's

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another one where the video alone doesn't
tell you a whole lot, but the

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cops saying that they chased it and
that it zoomed around, and the witness

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testimony, it's odd behavior, changing
directions very quickly. So if those witnesses

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are telling the truth, then this
is something pretty strange up there. And

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as we like to point out,
we like to when we get to testimony

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from people like police officers, like
military officials, that lends credibility to their

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testimony. I mean these are trained
observers. Yeah, so that's a very

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interesting one. Right. Well,
here's some space news. NASA's Kepler spacecraft

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launched in March two thousand and nine
with the mission of discovering potentially life supporting

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planets, and we talk about Kepler
a lot on this show today. Kepler

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has discovered more than two thousand planet
candidates and sixty one confirmed planets. According

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to Scientist, one of these recently
confirmed planets is the best candidate for a

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planet capable of supporting life. This
giant planet called and again they didn't let

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us down with their exciting names.
Yeah, brace yourselves, and I expect

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you to remember this. The planet
is called GJ six' six seven capital

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C little c boring, yep,
boring. Well. This planet is at

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least four and a half times as
massive as Earth, and according to space

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dot com, Achiease of scientists determined
that the planet's location is within the habitable

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zone of its star, and as
we mentioned before, this is a narrow

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region where temperatures are neither too hot
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on the planet's surface. One of
the scientists stated this planet is the new

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best candidate for supporting liquid water and
perhaps life as we know it. Space

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dot Com explains that the researchers suspect
quote potentially habitable alien worlds could exist in

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a greater variety of environments than was
previously thought possible. That's based on these

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new findings. The team's research will
be published in the Astrophysical journal Letters GJ.

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So let's call it Gojo or gadja. They really need to worry.

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Let's call it Gojo. This is
a Gojo system, and this is Gojo

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c Okay, that's timing to refer
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another interesting thing is it wasn't about
that. Yeah, I thought this was

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kind of cool. It wasn't the
Kepler people who found this it was a

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different group, and what they decided
was Kepler's looking at stars that are thousands

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of light years away, so they
wanted to focus on the stars that are

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closer. And so this one is
relatively much closer twenty two light years away

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as opposed to thousands of light years
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And it's not that far, and
it would only take if we sent

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a robotic probe out there to check
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years to get there. Yeah,
that's much closer. Yeah, but I

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think that's probably like Google though,
where you google the map and it tells

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you how long it's going to take, but it tells you if you go

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the speed limit. So maybe if
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get it there a little quicker to
figure it out. Although they are going

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to do that thing where they can
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by the colors the gases on the
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so they know there are a lot
of animals down there that are gas gassy,

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gassy animals, so they can tell
evidence of gassy animals. But it's

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actually that's a planet of gas the
animals we need to Animals are gassy on

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this planet. Animals emit gas or
methane producing cones. Yeah, yeah,

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you emit gas probably only I've never
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only while I'm on the air.
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their names, but there are definitely
other co workers here at Open Minds where

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I have witnessed that gaseous emission and
it wasn't a please pleasurable thing, but

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I could see how it could be
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here. Yeah, I'm gonna get
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kind of cool that they're looking at
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so and I think it will be
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that there's life fairly close relative in
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could be intelligent civilization. Something are
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of these It seems with every new
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for extraterrestrial life. We're looking at
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they have to reevaluate how they search
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determine well, well, based on
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now we know that these planets are
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know better what to look for,
and everything gets readjusted, and it kind

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of starts over again. Yeah,
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at the gases to see if there's
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and over again that we didn't think
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it's looking like there is possibly life
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increase of possible planets that could possibly
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more so here again more evident of
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discover life out there, which is
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will then really be open to Wow, if really life is that abundant then

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there is. I think they'll take
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think even harder about some of these
unknown objects that hey, you know,

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maybe we are being visited. And
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is that it's just another example of
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the just specifically the Kepler team who
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over the globe evaluating the data that's
coming back from Kepler and similar studies.

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world taking or actively participating in the search

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for extraterrustrial life. And these are
mainstream scientists. So again it illustrates the

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point that science is interested in extraterrustrial
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about mainstream science and the search for
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even in our media and our entertainment, especially in Star Trek, there's this

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big idea of course that if in
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and find extraterrestrial civilizations, we would
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than us, and we would hide
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I mean, this is an old
theory that's been out there for a

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long time. It's surprising that mainstream
scientists are imaginative enough, even though they

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are sci fi fans, A lot
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that is a possibility of what we're
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shocking to me that they wouldn't give
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that much of a leap, and
even if we hypothesize that's how we would

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react in the future. I just
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are to that idea. They seem
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don't find it. That's shocking.
What's up with that demonstrated behavior and what

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is up with them? Well,
Alejandro, I'm going to briefly give some

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sad news. UFO researcher Lou Ferish
passed away on January twenty sixth. He

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died of cancer, but he reportedly
died peacefully, was not in pain,

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and was surrounded by a small group
of friends. Lou is a well liked

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and humble researcher. He's remembered for
his UFO news clipping service, as well

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as his founding the Ozark UFO conference. And Alejandro, this is really cool

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because Lou did not have a wife, children, or siblings. He left

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his estate, including eighty acres of
land, to a trust to be used

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to encourage UFO research and education through
awards, fellowships, and many grants over

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the next several years. Oh,
that's great. I didn't know them.

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That's really cool. And you can
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on openminds dot tv. Antonio June
has showed a nice article. Antonio and

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he were good friends over the years, so check that out on openminds dot

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tv. Yeah, what Lou did
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you know, he had to actually
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would copy them and send them to
thousands of people and all the big researchers

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so they could keep up to speed
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news, they were like twitter feeds, like we have that update people on

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the news, mao mail twitter feeds. Yeah, yep. And I have

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no idea how Lou did that.
That seems like a terrible undertaking to do

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that in a time before the internet. You know that somehow gathered these news

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articles from around the country, from
around the world. Yeah, important work

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too, so and he was well
loved so so he was. He was

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an early version of the Internet.
Yep, Google news feeds, yep.

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Yeah. Well did you watch the
Super Bowl? Now? Yeah, I

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only caught half of it, But
if you didn't know this past Sunday yesterday

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was the Super Bowl here in the
United States, the American football championship game,

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and historically it's been the most watched
program on American television. In fact,

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that twenty eleven Super Bowl had the
largest audience ever for a US television

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broadcast at one hundred eleven million viewers, and this year's big game broke last

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year's record reached one hundred and eleven
point three million viewers. But in addition

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to breaking the viewership record again,
something else from the twenty eleven Super Bowl

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was repeated this year, and that
was the appearance of extraterrestrial themed advertisements.

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I think that's happened every Super Bowl
ever, probably, and that shows that

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advertisers know there's this public interest because, as we've mentioned before, I wrote

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about it last year and I wrote
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But advertisers spend millions of dollars for
these thirty second spots. This is

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like the prime advertising of the year
for these people. They spend millions of

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dollars for a couple of seconds to
advertise their product, and it seems over

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and over they're choosing to use extraterrestrials
or an extraterrestrial theme to pitch their product

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to the public, especially during the
Super Bowl. It seems too because maybe

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they're more theatrical and they spend more
mo any on those. But during the

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regular season, you know, you
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definitely in the super Bowl. Some
of the most popular UFO commercials have come

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out during this or et commercials that
have come out during the Super Bowl.

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It'd be interesting for someone to compile
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would be interesting. There was a
lot last year, and a lot of

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the UFO related movies, yeah,
tend to advertise and advertise first during the

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Super Bowl. Battleship Battleship just did
theirs during the Super Bowl. And I

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haven't really seen much advertising for Battleship
right in terms of advertisements on TV.

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But they certainly showed a spot during
the Super Bowl. You know, last

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year they did Cowboys and Aliens.
Oh was that it? Or was it

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Super eight? Also, I don't
think they did Super eight. Maybe they

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did to last year and I don't
remember what the other one was. But

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car commercials, car commercials have been
using this a lot. Last year,

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Kia did theirs where the car gets
abducted, and well they even had the

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Mayan thing in that same commercial.
And this year Chevy stole both of those

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themes in two different commercials. But
they had one that was a Mayan Apocalypse

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twenty twelve type thing and there was
a crash UFO and that one. Yeah,

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but this other one has a bunch
of little extraterrestrials in the car with

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a garage, so funny commercial too. They're both actually pretty funny. Yeah,

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they're they're pretty good. But again
it's an illustration showing that they know

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that there's this huge public interest in
the subject. Well especially and probably because

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this is the group as we know
from our buddies and from the TV shows,

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it's mostly older males who are into
football and into UFOs. They're the

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ones that are the most watch the
shows the most and everything. So it's

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a good fit and cars and cars
and chicks target demographic. Yeah. Well,

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Alehundra, I wanted to talk about
this story to finish off the news

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because I know you recently wrote about
it. Well, this was an interesting

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one from last week. On Thursday, February second, witnesses across Texas,

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Texas and Oklahoma reported seeing a large
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The object was even caught on the
patrol on the dashboard camera of a

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police chief in Little River Academy.
Police Chief Troy has said quote, it

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kept getting bigger and the colors kept
changing. But according to the Daily Mail,

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the FAA says the bright streaking light
was most likely a meteor. Yeah,

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and this one at what I piqued
my interest. One of the things

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in this story is that what some
of the witnesses said they saw, which

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is this big bright light going through
the air with stuff coming off of it,

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was similar to what I saw when
there was similar sighting over California and

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Nevada and Phoenix here or Arizona.
But what I saw what broke up.

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But there are so many people that
saw so much, it seems that what

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I saw wasn't the only one,
although it was one of the most amazing

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things I've ever seen, this huge
thing breaking up in the sky. And

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what you saw in some of the
description from this one too. You know

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that the colors are similar, and
that's what you see with some of the

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larger meteors, the greenish color.
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And maybe we're capturing more of these
on film because there's more cameras and stuff

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around. But pretty weird. And
some of the witnesses are like, man,

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I don't know if that really was
the meteor. It's really right and

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depending on you know, if it
was an actual extraterrestrial craft, you know,

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who knows what the material it would
be made out of. But you

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know, that's why you see the
different colors, the green and whatever colors

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from these media is based on its
composition. So composition of a craft coming

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in crashing to Earth, I suppose
could look similar. So that probes on

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hot remember that the very hot those
look like a meteor, but they were

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probes that came up and then HANSI
had to blow up, right. And

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the interesting thing with these fireball UFO
is that we you know, seem to

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report on over and over and over
again. A lot a lot of people

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are seeing these more frequently. Now. Is their their impact site is really

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reported about? Yeah, no impacts. Yeah, So it's very strange.

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It's kind of weird. This keeps
happening reminds me of a terrible movie Battle

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Lily, but the special effects were
kind of neat when on that perfect I

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still harn't watched it because you special
effects are fun, but it's kind of

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a dumb story if you just you
know, go into it knowing that you

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might have some fun. Yeah,
well, good to know. All one

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hundred. That is it for the
news. Remember, everyone, you can

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check out all of these stories and
so many more open Mindes TV your source

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for uf OVERLA news. I'm Jason
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you've been briefed back to you Aleandro. Thank you, Jason. Remember you

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can read all these stories and Openminds
dot DV and the text is a video

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you can see at UFO DailyNews dot
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can go if you're not on Twitter, you can go to UFO Daily News

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dot com com and hit the UFO
news feed and those are all the Twitter

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links where you can see all of
the headlines from around the world on not

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just a daily basis, but practically
hourly, so lots of stuff going on

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there. But we're gonna do something
we actually have Usually we pre record the

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shows and these days, but this
time we are doing it live and so

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We're actually gonna dial Clip up right
now. And you know what happens when

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we do that. We do some
dialing music. So it's dial do do

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do do do do do do do
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bood Hello, We're talking to Cliff. Hello. Pay the answer to the

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phone, Cliff. I just talked
to him Clip speaking Hey. Thank you,

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because you know, when I dial
people, I do a little dialing

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music and I was stretching it and
it wasn't It was kind of losing quality.

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So I'm glad that you answered when
you did because you spared our listeners

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the rest of my dialing music.
But thank you so much for being on

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the show again. You're welcome,
Alejandro. It's nice to be with you.

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I have given you a title and
I hope you like it. I

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think you will. And earlier in
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all the move on directors going back
the decades at this organization has been in

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existence, that you were, if
nothing else, by far, the wittiest

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director they've ever had. Well,
I think I thank you for that.

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And that's it, you know,
I mean that as a very it seemed

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compliment. Well, thank you very
much. Yes, that's very nice of

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you to say that humor is always
part of what I think is important in

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life, you know, And that's
a good question to start off because you

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are witty and I think that that
is important and other people. Has that

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helped you to kind of bring up
and talk about this subject which can be

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uncomfortable for some people, It definitely
has, Alejandro, Sometimes people just take

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themselves too serious and we have to
be aware of the fact, in my

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00:33:00.920 --> 00:33:07.480
opinion, that life is important.
It's very precious, but we have to

406
00:33:07.559 --> 00:33:09.960
be able to stop smell the roses
and laugh a little bit along the way.

407
00:33:10.519 --> 00:33:15.640
M h yeah, definitely. I
mean, and you know, it's

408
00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:20.079
it's just like everything. I think
that it's always important to have a little

409
00:33:20.119 --> 00:33:24.440
bit of lightness brought because if you
get too down in anything, you know,

410
00:33:24.559 --> 00:33:30.079
it just makes it can actually have
bad health repercussions and that you stress

411
00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:38.519
out. But it also can hamper
you from moving forward exactly exactly. If

412
00:33:38.559 --> 00:33:45.440
you're free your mind up, you're
able to be more productise, more positive

413
00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:49.640
and upbeat, and humor is a
vehicle that I like to use to do

414
00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:52.240
that. Well. I'd love to
talk about this. I want to hear

415
00:33:52.279 --> 00:33:57.559
about your experience because I loved this. I thought it was great. Some

416
00:33:57.720 --> 00:34:01.160
people didn't. You know, those
are probably people who need to lighten up

417
00:34:01.200 --> 00:34:06.559
a little more. But you were
appearent on I think last time you were

418
00:34:06.640 --> 00:34:08.239
on it, it hadn't aired yet, and it did air, but your

419
00:34:08.239 --> 00:34:13.719
apparent's on the Colbert Report. No, it was John Stewart. Oh,

420
00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:17.199
it was John Stewart. Actually,
okay, yes, you know. Did

421
00:34:17.280 --> 00:34:22.320
you have fun with that? What
were your thoughts on that? Well,

422
00:34:22.519 --> 00:34:25.280
first of all, they I knew
it was going to be a comedy show,

423
00:34:25.360 --> 00:34:30.760
and I had been warned about this. They flew me to New York

424
00:34:30.039 --> 00:34:34.880
and put me up for the night
and drove me around in a limousine to

425
00:34:35.039 --> 00:34:37.599
the shoot the set or the shoot
site at the park in New Jersey.

426
00:34:38.559 --> 00:34:45.920
And when we got there, then
I saw Wyatt who is on the show,

427
00:34:46.239 --> 00:34:51.440
and he was there and I thought, I've never never I've never seen

428
00:34:53.320 --> 00:35:04.000
so I may not have medicine press
right, but anyway, I'm getting any

429
00:35:04.119 --> 00:35:09.480
feedback here? Here are we?
Okay, Yeah, everything sounds okay.

430
00:35:10.159 --> 00:35:17.760
On this night. I will I'll
continue to try to talk with this.

431
00:35:19.039 --> 00:35:25.360
But here's the funny thing about it. I spent an hour trying to are

432
00:35:25.400 --> 00:35:30.639
you there, Alejandro, Yes,
okay. I spent an hour of the

433
00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:35.320
shoot trying to be serious and talk
about MW Fawn and what we were doing,

434
00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:38.440
and that was going nowhere, so
I thought, okay, I just

435
00:35:38.559 --> 00:35:43.960
as well play along now. The
part that I thought was the funniest was

436
00:35:44.719 --> 00:35:49.239
when Wyatt dressed up like an alien
and the kid prepped me. Prior to

437
00:35:49.360 --> 00:35:53.280
this, there were about eight people
out there doing the shoot, and they

438
00:35:54.000 --> 00:35:57.800
prepped me and said, Okay,
what would you say if an alien walked

439
00:35:57.920 --> 00:36:00.000
up to you? And I said, well, where they're from, what

440
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:04.719
they're doing here, how they got
here, and why they're here. So

441
00:36:04.880 --> 00:36:10.400
okay. So they put Wyatt in
a suit and alien suit with a big

442
00:36:10.519 --> 00:36:15.440
head, and he had a keyboard
from a computer and he came walking up

443
00:36:15.480 --> 00:36:20.199
to me going I said, Hi, where are you from? And he

444
00:36:20.360 --> 00:36:23.199
said, well, our old plates
and I said, looks to me like

445
00:36:23.280 --> 00:36:30.719
you came from your anus. That
was never shown. That would have been

446
00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:36.119
one of the best jokes. Yeah, it would have been, so anyway

447
00:36:36.559 --> 00:36:39.880
it was. It was Some people
were very upset with it, but the

448
00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:45.920
fact of the matter is we got
more positive comments and membership grew because of

449
00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:52.360
that show than anything we had done
in that period of time. So it

450
00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:57.119
was a very beneficial thing for Upon, although it was at the expense of

451
00:36:57.280 --> 00:37:00.800
me and Upon. As far as
the humor goes, although you know,

452
00:37:01.079 --> 00:37:06.480
I don't know so much personally.
I here's my perspective on it is that

453
00:37:06.599 --> 00:37:08.559
it got the word out. There
are a lot of people that are interested

454
00:37:08.719 --> 00:37:13.840
in this topic and they don't know
Mufon is there, and now they are

455
00:37:13.960 --> 00:37:15.679
aware. So I'm sure they went
there to find out what you guys were

456
00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:21.599
all about. And I mean they
make fun of everybody, so you had

457
00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:24.800
a good and you know, sense
of humor about it. But they also

458
00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:29.960
interviewed the NASA guys, and you
know, they're making fun of the NASA

459
00:37:30.199 --> 00:37:32.880
guy saying, why aren't you doing
what Moufon is doing? You know,

460
00:37:34.280 --> 00:37:37.719
China, you don't have a star
team. Yeah, you guys don't even

461
00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:40.960
have a star team. This is
ridiculous. No wonder you last year funding.

462
00:37:42.039 --> 00:37:45.000
So he made fun of them just
as much. And that guy didn't

463
00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:46.840
really seem to have a sense of
humor about it, No, he was

464
00:37:46.960 --> 00:37:51.239
not. As a matter of fact, after our shoot, Wyatt said to

465
00:37:51.320 --> 00:37:57.480
me he says you're really a good
guy. Yeah right, yeap. So

466
00:37:57.639 --> 00:38:01.199
it was an exciting thing. Yeah, we got some bad press on it,

467
00:38:02.039 --> 00:38:07.840
but you know, the good press
outweigh the bad in the long run,

468
00:38:08.559 --> 00:38:12.719
I think, so, you know, because even I'll get that and

469
00:38:12.880 --> 00:38:16.679
I can understand their perspective. I
can always understand people's perspective, mostly when

470
00:38:16.760 --> 00:38:20.280
they get hold of it. Yeah, but I get that sometimes. Oh,

471
00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:22.559
you know, this is a serious
subject. I like your show and

472
00:38:22.599 --> 00:38:24.719
you have serious people on, but
you goop around too much sometimes. But

473
00:38:24.880 --> 00:38:30.519
you know what, Yeah, I
just don't think it's healthy to really let

474
00:38:30.599 --> 00:38:35.880
yourself get too worked up about a
lot of things, because otherwise, you

475
00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:39.320
know, it's not healthy. And
you know, being light I think also

476
00:38:39.519 --> 00:38:43.559
allows your brain freeze, your brain
up to be more creative, to come

477
00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:46.880
up with more and better ideas on
how to approach this, and you reach

478
00:38:47.079 --> 00:38:54.639
a larger audience. You're exactly right. Yeah, I can overplay humor.

479
00:38:54.639 --> 00:38:59.280
I have to be careful of that
sometimes, but in the long run,

480
00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:05.320
I think the humor is important.
It helps people. Yeah. So the

481
00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:08.880
big question is, and you've already
answered this for people who are in Moufon.

482
00:39:09.079 --> 00:39:15.599
You've written about your retirement and this
month, which it has only been

483
00:39:15.639 --> 00:39:19.880
a few days, that you're not
the director anymore, and maybe if you

484
00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:23.519
could just let people know the details
behind it, because I know some people

485
00:39:23.599 --> 00:39:29.599
are thinking that you may be fed
up with move on, or there's some

486
00:39:29.800 --> 00:39:31.800
kind of the government got to you
and said, hey, you better cut

487
00:39:31.880 --> 00:39:39.760
it out. I wish we were
as important as all of that where the

488
00:39:39.880 --> 00:39:43.840
government comes to us and says,
you guys have to knock it off.

489
00:39:44.400 --> 00:39:52.360
We are not that important to the
government period. That's that's just silliness.

490
00:39:52.039 --> 00:39:57.400
The government doesn't care what we do. They may and they're not. They

491
00:39:57.440 --> 00:40:01.639
have not infiltrated new Fon. Why
would they. They don't need to.

492
00:40:02.079 --> 00:40:06.039
If they want any of the information
that we have, all they have to

493
00:40:06.119 --> 00:40:10.079
do is go to our website or
if they want to monitor our emails,

494
00:40:10.159 --> 00:40:16.719
they can do that. There's nothing
secret from the government. But so it's

495
00:40:16.920 --> 00:40:22.320
just that's kind of silly. But
the reason that I did step down is

496
00:40:23.400 --> 00:40:30.719
I need to the two years that
I was there as International Director, Alejandro,

497
00:40:30.519 --> 00:40:36.480
we're very difficult times financially when we
started out. When I took over,

498
00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:43.079
we were having some very significant financial
problems and that took about six months

499
00:40:43.119 --> 00:40:45.559
to a year to get that result, and then we had the other conflict

500
00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:52.440
that developed, and that took another
eighteen well another year to get through all

501
00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:59.239
of that, and so I was
in crisis management primarily that my whole term.

502
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:04.039
Well, that takes a toll on
a person mentally, and I was

503
00:41:04.119 --> 00:41:09.280
able to overcome it through humor and
through my belief in God. So that

504
00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:15.320
was fine. But the big thing
was I wanted to do some other things

505
00:41:15.519 --> 00:41:20.480
I really do. I'm seventy two
and I don't have that many years to

506
00:41:20.559 --> 00:41:25.880
do the things that I want to
do, and I can't give MUFON a

507
00:41:25.960 --> 00:41:32.719
thousand percent or anything else if I
want to do other things. And probably

508
00:41:32.840 --> 00:41:38.719
the primary thing was is my oldest
son has stage four colon cancer and just

509
00:41:38.800 --> 00:41:44.400
got out of the hospital here again
two days ago yesterday as a matter of

510
00:41:44.440 --> 00:41:46.880
fact, so I wanted to spare
more time with him in the family,

511
00:41:47.119 --> 00:41:52.960
and I can't do all of this
stuff. So MUFON was the one thing

512
00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:59.199
that I had to remove myself from, which makes sense, I mean,

513
00:42:00.679 --> 00:42:06.679
completely understandable, because I don't think
people realize and I tried to emphasize this

514
00:42:07.679 --> 00:42:13.280
always is that there are move on
takes a lot of work to run just

515
00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:20.559
the basic day to day getting it
done. Keeping this organization existing takes so

516
00:42:20.760 --> 00:42:24.039
much effort. You board members,
especially people like you, not so much

517
00:42:24.119 --> 00:42:27.880
with all the board members, but
I know because I've had some insight,

518
00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:30.119
and of course I'm not going to
name names or anything, but some people,

519
00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:37.239
especially you have always put in a
lot of work for many years,

520
00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:38.840
and I don't think people realize that. And then you have, you know,

521
00:42:38.960 --> 00:42:43.719
these people in the States, and
it's hard to run even a state

522
00:42:43.840 --> 00:42:46.159
organization that takes a lot of work, let alone the national part. So

523
00:42:46.760 --> 00:42:52.719
you have these pockets of people out
there working really hard to keep the organization

524
00:42:52.360 --> 00:42:55.800
running. And it's because of all
these people. It's been around for so

525
00:42:57.039 --> 00:43:00.440
long. And I know you've put
in a lot of hours for many years.

526
00:43:01.039 --> 00:43:08.039
Yeah, that's the thing. I
don't think the average person realizes how

527
00:43:08.119 --> 00:43:15.159
much time and effort goes in to
what a state section director, the investigators,

528
00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:20.000
the state directors, the chief field
investigators. How much time these folks

529
00:43:20.079 --> 00:43:23.280
put in. And then you go
to Fletcher Gray, thet our team manager,

530
00:43:23.360 --> 00:43:29.719
and you go on to Morgan Bell
that's director of Technology, and the

531
00:43:29.840 --> 00:43:32.719
people that are working with him.
The time and effort these folks are putting

532
00:43:32.800 --> 00:43:38.840
into this organization is just unbelievable,
and they believe they have a passion.

533
00:43:39.440 --> 00:43:46.400
We're all after the same goals,
the education and investigations of that type of

534
00:43:46.480 --> 00:43:51.000
thing. And then of course you
have the board of directors who put in

535
00:43:51.119 --> 00:43:57.480
a significant amount of time continually all
the time trying to make sure that we're

536
00:43:57.599 --> 00:44:01.239
financially stable and we have the right
people in the right places. And of

537
00:44:01.320 --> 00:44:07.760
course they're all volunteers, Alandro,
so we just rely on the integrity of

538
00:44:07.960 --> 00:44:14.159
the character of the person that's the
volunteer to do a job, and so

539
00:44:14.360 --> 00:44:16.599
it does. And then its course. As the international director, it's twenty

540
00:44:16.639 --> 00:44:21.719
four to seven. We you know, we're representing twenty five foreign countries and

541
00:44:22.239 --> 00:44:25.440
there's a lot of time difference there. So if you're not getting phone calls

542
00:44:25.519 --> 00:44:34.079
and emails, you're you're thinking about
how to promote and to best execute our

543
00:44:34.199 --> 00:44:38.679
goals and the methods of getting there, and it's a very time consuming thing.

544
00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:43.519
And of course that's I don't have
the time to do that with my

545
00:44:43.679 --> 00:44:47.039
son and with the things that I
want to do with my family, and

546
00:44:47.440 --> 00:44:52.280
they wouldn't be fair to mupon for
me to try to continue and not being

547
00:44:52.559 --> 00:44:57.480
given the percent of one thousand percent
I need to and even more important,

548
00:44:57.559 --> 00:45:00.039
I mean, and this comes into
play. It's something people have to I

549
00:45:00.159 --> 00:45:04.880
realize people like in your situation and
others you it wouldn't be fair to your

550
00:45:04.920 --> 00:45:07.840
family. I mean, you need
to spend some time with them, especially

551
00:45:08.360 --> 00:45:14.480
when it comes to trying times,
and that's so important. So you know

552
00:45:14.599 --> 00:45:17.239
what you put in your time,
and I want more time. I mean,

553
00:45:17.360 --> 00:45:21.519
I know you've I've been there to
see it and that you've put in

554
00:45:21.719 --> 00:45:28.559
so many hours. And uh,
I think that you deserve definitely thanks from

555
00:45:28.599 --> 00:45:32.519
everybody in this who's interested in this
field, because it's important way you've done

556
00:45:32.559 --> 00:45:36.920
to keep it going. And you
know, thank you for all the work

557
00:45:36.960 --> 00:45:39.599
that you've done. Well, thank
you for saying that. That's very nice

558
00:45:39.639 --> 00:45:44.559
of you, and you're welcome and
everybody is welcome for what I have done.

559
00:45:44.719 --> 00:45:51.000
I the thanks to just I can't
tell you how many people have emailed

560
00:45:51.079 --> 00:45:57.280
me and called me and and thank
me for what I've done and wishing well

561
00:45:57.360 --> 00:46:01.400
for the family. So it's just
been really rewarding. And you know,

562
00:46:01.880 --> 00:46:06.119
you've talked about some of the trials
and tribulations, and I know there have

563
00:46:06.280 --> 00:46:09.840
been some hard things going on in
the last few years, and maybe we'll

564
00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:14.679
talk about what's been some of the
biggest hurles or hardest things for you.

565
00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:19.960
But I do have to say,
from my perspective from someone who's following my

566
00:46:20.159 --> 00:46:24.159
thing is, you know, I'm
typically mostly following mainstream media and what they

567
00:46:24.280 --> 00:46:29.400
think of this topic and how they
cover this topic. And you know,

568
00:46:29.639 --> 00:46:37.119
MoveOn has done very well during your
tenure with mainstream media because mostly you all

569
00:46:37.239 --> 00:46:40.599
are seen in the news out there. It's rare these days and you shall

570
00:46:40.719 --> 00:46:45.199
not be like this that it's rare
these days to see an article that's just

571
00:46:45.480 --> 00:46:52.440
solely ridicule. If MoveOn's in the
article, it's probably it's often referring to

572
00:46:52.599 --> 00:46:57.280
move On as experts. Often you
have skeptics, people are saying, well,

573
00:46:57.360 --> 00:46:59.920
we were not so sure that was
a UFO. We think this might

574
00:47:00.119 --> 00:47:04.400
have been something more mundane. But
you have people who are coming across as

575
00:47:04.960 --> 00:47:07.840
not just people who are or whack
you or anything. They come across as

576
00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:12.719
professionals. And move On's gotten a
great reputation I think with the general public,

577
00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:16.960
which is the most important thing,
and that's what I've seen in the

578
00:47:17.039 --> 00:47:22.480
last few years. Yeah, I
think. So. We've been getting some

579
00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:30.880
great press from numerous members of the
media, from Wall Street Journal to Huffington

580
00:47:30.039 --> 00:47:37.880
Post and George Knapp and you guys, and it just goes on and on.

581
00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:43.000
And we've been getting a lot of
real positive, positive, good comments

582
00:47:43.079 --> 00:47:49.920
about what New Fond's up to.
And I get calls continually from people and

583
00:47:50.000 --> 00:47:55.239
emails or I did, they're all
forwarded to Dave now, but wanting to

584
00:47:55.440 --> 00:48:00.280
know what we as the experts think
about this, what we think about that,

585
00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:06.559
how can we how can you guys
investigate, and how do you investigate?

586
00:48:06.719 --> 00:48:12.000
And just really some great information that
they want, which we're able to

587
00:48:12.079 --> 00:48:17.360
provide mm hm. And you know
which is so important that and I know

588
00:48:17.800 --> 00:48:23.039
from my years working with the media
with move On, what's important to them

589
00:48:23.320 --> 00:48:29.320
is that you have local people all
over the place who they can talk to

590
00:48:29.920 --> 00:48:32.800
near them to get their take on
you know, there was a local sighting,

591
00:48:32.920 --> 00:48:37.159
right, yeah, exactly, and
Diego you know what is a local

592
00:48:37.239 --> 00:48:42.119
San Diego? Move On? Think
about that, right. A good case

593
00:48:42.199 --> 00:48:46.840
of what you're talking about is what's
happened in Missouri this past winter and fall.

594
00:48:49.639 --> 00:48:58.960
With all the UFO activity there,
Debbie Ziegelmeyer and Mary Oh, I'm

595
00:48:59.000 --> 00:49:01.360
sorry, I want to let you
struggle with because I can't remember. Yeah,

596
00:49:01.440 --> 00:49:07.239
okay, Margaret, and they have
just done an outstanding job with the

597
00:49:07.360 --> 00:49:13.719
media. And I referred to a
lot of the media to them because they're

598
00:49:13.800 --> 00:49:16.840
of the boots on the ground knowing
what was going on. I didn't know,

599
00:49:17.320 --> 00:49:21.280
but you know, I knew what
they were reporting, but I didn't

600
00:49:21.360 --> 00:49:25.320
know the real intricacies that they did. M h. Yeah. Yeah,

601
00:49:25.360 --> 00:49:29.159
we had debian not too long ago
to talk about all of that. And

602
00:49:29.920 --> 00:49:34.960
she is now a board member rite
an interim at least, right, Yeah,

603
00:49:35.360 --> 00:49:38.480
she is, and she is a
dynamo. I am very impressed with

604
00:49:38.599 --> 00:49:44.039
the lady. She's a real asset
to the board. Yep. She's a

605
00:49:44.159 --> 00:49:47.679
friend and wonderful person. And we're
going to see her at the Congress in

606
00:49:47.760 --> 00:49:51.719
a couple of weeks. So that's
exciting. Yes, that'll be good.

607
00:49:52.039 --> 00:49:58.280
Her brother Chuck is speaking before I
am, and I will probably be able

608
00:49:58.360 --> 00:50:04.199
to break read with them at least
one night, and I enjoy that.

609
00:50:04.480 --> 00:50:08.760
So Chuck Zukowski is excellent with the
mutilations, and Debbie will be a great

610
00:50:08.840 --> 00:50:15.280
support for him and for mufon mm
yep, she said she's a great lady.

611
00:50:17.599 --> 00:50:24.960
So getting into your tenure in your
years there lately. And the Huffington

612
00:50:25.000 --> 00:50:30.480
posted a story on this, and
some other news sources to stories on this

613
00:50:31.119 --> 00:50:37.440
about early in the year this year
in January how there seemed to be a

614
00:50:37.639 --> 00:50:45.400
lot of sightings and some other group
had interviewed Peter Davenport of Newfork and he

615
00:50:45.559 --> 00:50:50.400
confirmed he was also getting an increase
in reports. And then last summer,

616
00:50:50.840 --> 00:50:53.360
you know, there was a lot
of press around MUFAN and you doing interviews

617
00:50:53.360 --> 00:50:59.039
and talking about an increase in sightings. Do you think we've seen a trend

618
00:50:59.159 --> 00:51:05.079
over the last few months or years
of increases in sightings? I think so

619
00:51:06.360 --> 00:51:13.320
this last year we got a significant
amount of activity. August of twenty eleven,

620
00:51:13.920 --> 00:51:19.480
we had like one thy and thirteen
sightings reported to us, and that

621
00:51:19.760 --> 00:51:23.480
was significant because we've averaged five hundred
a month. We're now averaging six hundred

622
00:51:23.480 --> 00:51:29.239
a month. So it just keeps
bumping up. And I wouldn't be surprised

623
00:51:29.280 --> 00:51:32.239
if this year isn't going to be
another banner year. And I think one

624
00:51:32.280 --> 00:51:37.360
of the things the reason for the
great increase is I think there is more

625
00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:43.840
activity, but also I think people
are more aware because of the media coverage

626
00:51:43.880 --> 00:51:50.719
that the UFO phenomenon has received.
I think that's significant, and that gives

627
00:51:50.760 --> 00:51:54.880
people now they know a place to
report UFO sightings and that's t MUFON,

628
00:51:55.360 --> 00:52:00.159
and they know that they will be
investigated, and they know that they can

629
00:52:00.360 --> 00:52:07.679
remain anonymous if they want to.
So now they're coming to us significant numbers.

630
00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:13.719
And with this increase, you've also
kind of I remember one of the

631
00:52:13.880 --> 00:52:19.679
stories and maybe it was Lee's story
from Huffington Post that you personally said you

632
00:52:19.800 --> 00:52:24.760
had noted that there also seemed to
be an increase in the unknowns, the

633
00:52:24.920 --> 00:52:32.119
number of the percentage of those signings
that can't be explained or can't investigators can't

634
00:52:32.159 --> 00:52:37.440
figure out what it was. It
doesn't seem to be something mundane. Well,

635
00:52:37.800 --> 00:52:43.440
I think the number of unknowns goes
up with the number of sighting reports

636
00:52:44.119 --> 00:52:49.840
we average, But we figure there's
ten to twenty percent of the UFO sighting

637
00:52:49.920 --> 00:52:57.440
reports to mw FOND would be unidentified
flying objects. So if we have five

638
00:52:57.559 --> 00:53:01.840
hundred, that would be fifty to
one hundred unidentified. So if we have

639
00:53:01.920 --> 00:53:06.880
a thousand, we've got one hundred
to two hundred. So I think that

640
00:53:07.079 --> 00:53:09.760
this is the way it carries is
the reason, the more sightings, the

641
00:53:09.880 --> 00:53:15.000
more unidentified, right, which,
when it comes to you know, the

642
00:53:15.199 --> 00:53:22.039
numbers you're talking about, when you're
talking about sixty are six hundred reports,

643
00:53:22.800 --> 00:53:28.039
that means like sixty to one hundred
unknowns a month. That's a lot,

644
00:53:28.760 --> 00:53:37.800
yes, it is. And of
that we we've been averaging fourteen reports a

645
00:53:37.920 --> 00:53:45.960
month of landings and or takeoffs and
averaging four per month of enities seen on

646
00:53:46.079 --> 00:53:54.440
the ground. That's interesting because as
you're reporting more of those sort of instances,

647
00:53:55.079 --> 00:54:00.840
those haven't seemed to gotten seem to
have gotten to the mainstream pressure because

648
00:54:00.840 --> 00:54:07.360
you're you are seeing I think an
increase in citing reports and taking seriously in

649
00:54:07.760 --> 00:54:12.920
some cases by the mainstream media.
But you don't hear about the landings or

650
00:54:13.000 --> 00:54:19.199
the entities as much. Well as
a rule, the ones that report the

651
00:54:19.440 --> 00:54:29.360
entities are usually a little suspect.
You don't know if they're talking about they

652
00:54:29.480 --> 00:54:37.960
haven't been they haven't had enough time
of observation of the entities and or the

653
00:54:37.199 --> 00:54:45.280
landing craft to really give us a
good picture of exactly what happened. That's

654
00:54:45.360 --> 00:54:47.400
what we would like to be able
to do, but you know, it

655
00:54:47.480 --> 00:54:52.920
might be one or two seconds.
The beings jumped back in the craft and

656
00:54:52.079 --> 00:54:55.480
took off right away, and it
was at about you know, five hundred

657
00:54:55.519 --> 00:55:00.840
feet away. Those kinds of things
are the ones that are hard for us

658
00:55:00.960 --> 00:55:08.000
to really put our investigative hands around
because there's not enough information, enough time

659
00:55:08.599 --> 00:55:17.960
to have seen it to really verify
that that was extraterrestrial or identified. Right.

660
00:55:20.159 --> 00:55:22.119
It's interesting because you know, it
hearkens back what I think of is

661
00:55:22.199 --> 00:55:29.000
the seventies, because the seventies even
have some people referred as the years of

662
00:55:29.039 --> 00:55:32.119
the aliens and stuff, because that's
when we had a lot of well,

663
00:55:32.280 --> 00:55:36.639
there were a lot of sightings.
There were waves of sightings more so back

664
00:55:36.679 --> 00:55:40.679
then. It was certainly a sort
of increase, but there are also an

665
00:55:40.719 --> 00:55:46.679
increase of signing similar to what you're
describing landings. And nineteen seventy three was

666
00:55:46.800 --> 00:55:52.559
the year of the humanoids. Right
there you go, and it was I've

667
00:55:52.639 --> 00:55:59.000
been reading some of the cases now
that I have the time to go through

668
00:55:59.119 --> 00:56:07.039
the archives and research and correlate the
activities which I will be speaking about at

669
00:56:07.280 --> 00:56:14.199
your conference too. But the thing
that's exciting about it is. There's some

670
00:56:14.480 --> 00:56:20.239
really good humanoid cases that have come
up, but then there are some really

671
00:56:20.360 --> 00:56:23.039
funny ones. I have to share
this one with you because we were talking

672
00:56:23.119 --> 00:56:30.920
about humor. This guy reported that
he saw this He and some policeman saw

673
00:56:30.000 --> 00:56:36.960
this object crash that was a small
disc type thing, and they got up

674
00:56:37.000 --> 00:56:43.000
to it and this little guy rolled
out of the craft and the policeman got

675
00:56:43.079 --> 00:56:47.360
him, woke him up and slapped
him around a little bit, and the

676
00:56:47.440 --> 00:56:52.960
guy jumped The little guy jumped up
and knocked him troll him out, and

677
00:56:52.039 --> 00:56:54.360
that went on two or three times. At the end of the story,

678
00:56:54.440 --> 00:57:00.800
the guy says, well, the
being was two foot tall and weighed three

679
00:57:00.880 --> 00:57:07.719
hundred pounds. He would he would
have had to been seven foot wide,

680
00:57:09.480 --> 00:57:16.760
so two foot tall, three hundred
pounds. So those are the funny ones.

681
00:57:16.880 --> 00:57:22.400
But there are some that are really
significant events that they had, some

682
00:57:22.280 --> 00:57:30.400
Alejandro that were We have three cases
that I've just reviewed that of the flying

683
00:57:30.840 --> 00:57:40.000
beings and how they don't they have
looks like jet packs or something like that,

684
00:57:40.199 --> 00:57:44.960
but there's no noise or no exhaust, but they're just moving around and

685
00:57:45.079 --> 00:57:52.239
that's a human it's a human being
looking type thing that's moving around. Three

686
00:57:52.320 --> 00:57:54.840
of those cases, and they were
all and I know, the three people

687
00:57:55.000 --> 00:57:59.760
that were in different parts of the
country, never communicated back and forth.

688
00:58:00.280 --> 00:58:05.679
This just happened. So they saw
something. I'm not sure exactly what it

689
00:58:05.960 --> 00:58:10.599
was, but they believe it was
human or a human type being or not

690
00:58:10.760 --> 00:58:15.400
a human, a being of some
type that was moving through the air.

691
00:58:17.639 --> 00:58:28.480
Very strange. So there was one
of them that was looking in the window

692
00:58:28.559 --> 00:58:35.079
of the house and the guy went
out and they communicated telepathically, and he

693
00:58:35.159 --> 00:58:37.760
said, we're not here to hurt
you, we're just checking you out and

694
00:58:37.880 --> 00:58:44.039
finding out what's going on. And
then he was about five six foot tall

695
00:58:44.800 --> 00:58:47.960
somewhere in that neighborhood and looked like
a human being. And he got back

696
00:58:49.000 --> 00:58:55.880
in his craft and took off.
Now I don't know what kind of insight

697
00:58:57.039 --> 00:59:00.880
this gives you to me, but
I was born in nineteen seventy three.

698
00:59:02.000 --> 00:59:08.199
Well, I've been meaning to talk
to you about a few the things.

699
00:59:08.239 --> 00:59:14.480
They're all hundred and that was that
that guy saw. No, that was

700
00:59:15.280 --> 00:59:17.599
they were dropping me off. They
were like, could you take care of

701
00:59:17.639 --> 00:59:27.519
this guy? You do resemble a
hybrid. Yeah, these cases you're talking

702
00:59:27.559 --> 00:59:32.400
about are they cases from seventy three
or are they in the seventy two,

703
00:59:32.519 --> 00:59:37.920
seventy three, and seventy four?
Uh huh. Are you seeing any similar

704
00:59:37.079 --> 00:59:43.360
cases now in some of these these
these landing or entities coming on the ground

705
00:59:43.719 --> 00:59:50.480
similarities between the seventies and now.
No, I have not seen that similarity

706
00:59:50.760 --> 00:59:55.719
at all. And but I haven't
been through all of the the cases from

707
00:59:57.480 --> 01:00:05.239
We've got cases that reported in nineteen
ninety four that happened in nineteen sixty one

708
01:00:05.800 --> 01:00:08.880
by people who finally have said,
Hey, I've kept this long enough and

709
01:00:09.599 --> 01:00:14.360
I've got maybe a year left on
this earth, and I'm going to tell

710
01:00:14.440 --> 01:00:20.159
this story, and they tell the
story and it's very significant. So we've

711
01:00:20.239 --> 01:00:25.679
got cases that are just amazing that
have happened, and I'm going to hopefully

712
01:00:25.800 --> 01:00:30.400
be able to put all of these
into a book form that will allow people

713
01:00:30.519 --> 01:00:37.719
to see the MUFON files that we've
got from over the years. Yeah,

714
01:00:37.800 --> 01:00:43.119
And that's one of the things that's
great, and that's what is exciting about

715
01:00:43.159 --> 01:00:46.679
what move On's done is that a
lot of that data is still available and

716
01:00:46.880 --> 01:00:51.760
there. It just takes the work
for people to go through it and to

717
01:00:51.880 --> 01:00:59.719
collect it and put it together exactly
exactly. I've got about ten thousand cases,

718
01:01:00.639 --> 01:01:07.400
plus I don't know how many thousands
of journal articles that are archived,

719
01:01:07.559 --> 01:01:13.320
plus proceedings and other things to go
through. I just I retained. I

720
01:01:13.400 --> 01:01:17.119
shipped everything to Cincinnati for Dave,
but I did keep, for an example,

721
01:01:17.320 --> 01:01:25.119
some of the Gulf Breeze information and
the ment I've got pictures of the

722
01:01:25.280 --> 01:01:31.960
Mantel aircraft that are great pictures of
the craft of the airplane that crashed,

723
01:01:34.519 --> 01:01:37.159
and of these other things that I'm
going to try to get all this information

724
01:01:37.920 --> 01:01:45.639
into one usable, readable form that
it would be available for the public.

725
01:01:45.159 --> 01:01:50.840
And I think we've got to get
this information out. It's just it's high

726
01:01:50.920 --> 01:01:55.000
time we did right. And then
as people some people don't know. It's

727
01:01:55.079 --> 01:02:00.880
not a matter of information not being
shared. It's it's more a matter of

728
01:02:00.079 --> 01:02:04.400
it is in the journal and people
don't get some people don't get the journal.

729
01:02:04.679 --> 01:02:07.079
But it's also a matter of the
work putting There are people that put

730
01:02:07.119 --> 01:02:12.199
in the work to get this information
and get it out there. I spent

731
01:02:12.239 --> 01:02:16.840
you know exactly, I spent four
hours today in the archives and I got

732
01:02:16.960 --> 01:02:25.679
from sixty two to sixty five.
Wow, that's pretty good. Well,

733
01:02:27.000 --> 01:02:32.079
it's each year there gets to be
more because when we came into existence in

734
01:02:32.239 --> 01:02:37.119
nineteen sixty nine, that's when the
real volume starts. But we've got a

735
01:02:37.199 --> 01:02:44.880
lot of stuff that's reported to us
that was reported to Nightcap and Apro and

736
01:02:45.239 --> 01:02:52.199
investigated by some of the big name
ufologists of the past Heinik and Roddyger and

737
01:02:53.280 --> 01:02:58.159
they're not at the marks, not
of the past. But these guys did

738
01:02:58.199 --> 01:03:04.079
a lot of research and are still
doing ye. Now, out of some

739
01:03:04.239 --> 01:03:08.519
of these older files you've ran across, are there some that it's like or

740
01:03:08.639 --> 01:03:12.599
maybe many where you run across these
stories and you're like, Wow, this

741
01:03:12.760 --> 01:03:15.719
is amazing, It's unfortunate. You
know this need to get out there.

742
01:03:16.480 --> 01:03:22.840
Yeah, I will tell you one
that I'm going to talk about more of

743
01:03:23.000 --> 01:03:29.159
depth at your conference. But it
happened in nineteen sixty one. The guy

744
01:03:29.280 --> 01:03:35.559
reported it to us into MUFON in
nineteen ninety four. He's a retired aerospace

745
01:03:35.679 --> 01:03:40.840
engineer and a retired minister. He
was a college student at the University of

746
01:03:40.880 --> 01:03:49.000
Illinois living in a housing project,
and he was one Saturday evening about six

747
01:03:49.039 --> 01:03:52.920
o'clock. His buddy lived a couple
of doors down and in between them lived

748
01:03:52.960 --> 01:03:58.039
a little old German lady. Well, they were going to the library at

749
01:03:58.079 --> 01:04:01.280
the university, so they called and
said we'll meet. So he got they

750
01:04:01.320 --> 01:04:06.760
both walked out the door simultaneously,
and his buddy mouth fell up, and

751
01:04:06.800 --> 01:04:14.840
he looked behind him and here was
a flying saucer with portals, about one

752
01:04:14.920 --> 01:04:18.719
hundred feet above the ground, moving
at about five to ten miles an hour,

753
01:04:19.480 --> 01:04:25.960
no noise, and it was going
between right above and between the buildings

754
01:04:26.239 --> 01:04:31.840
this housing complex. When they looked
up and saw the object, and he

755
01:04:32.000 --> 01:04:38.599
was very detailed. He was very
articulate in his report, and he drew

756
01:04:38.599 --> 01:04:42.800
a picture of it, which I'll
be presenting. And he said when they

757
01:04:42.880 --> 01:04:46.679
both saw it, the little lady
was out watering her flowers in front of

758
01:04:47.159 --> 01:04:51.159
her apartment there, and she saw
it, and they all three saw at

759
01:04:51.159 --> 01:04:56.119
the same time. She threw her
apron over her face and went running back

760
01:04:56.199 --> 01:05:00.440
into her house. Wow. And
there was six or eight other people that

761
01:05:00.559 --> 01:05:05.400
had seen this. Well, the
next day they they saw the little old

762
01:05:05.480 --> 01:05:09.239
lady again and they asked her,
says, did you see that last night?

763
01:05:09.280 --> 01:05:15.320
So I didn't see anything. I
didn't see anything. She was terrified,

764
01:05:16.599 --> 01:05:21.119
But that was a significant event.
I mean very significant. I think

765
01:05:21.199 --> 01:05:29.039
that when if it could have been
investigated at the time as we would today,

766
01:05:30.119 --> 01:05:36.119
this would have been as big as
Roswell because it was just the what

767
01:05:36.360 --> 01:05:44.159
when you have those that many credible
witnesses that with their background of being in

768
01:05:45.000 --> 01:05:48.639
he was also the student was also
a private pilot at that time, so

769
01:05:48.760 --> 01:05:55.360
he knew aircraft and he knew how
to define what he was looking at and

770
01:05:55.679 --> 01:06:00.360
it was it was pretty amazing.
So those kinds of things happened. We

771
01:06:00.519 --> 01:06:04.159
don't if one of those happened today, it would be oh, my goodness,

772
01:06:04.159 --> 01:06:09.199
wouldn't it be something? Yeah?
And it is because they had the

773
01:06:09.239 --> 01:06:12.559
same problem back then as we have
now, just a lack of resources.

774
01:06:13.079 --> 01:06:16.320
And it makes me think of Rupelt's
book, you know who ran Blue Book

775
01:06:16.360 --> 01:06:20.599
and he wrote about it and he
talked about, you know, for instance,

776
01:06:20.639 --> 01:06:25.440
some of these engineers who told them
what we had sightings and he said,

777
01:06:25.440 --> 01:06:27.679
well, why haven't you reported it
to the Air Force And they said,

778
01:06:27.679 --> 01:06:29.840
well, you guys aren't going to
take it seriously. You don't take

779
01:06:29.880 --> 01:06:32.320
it serious, and he said,
yeah, they will. They submit a

780
01:06:32.440 --> 01:06:38.199
sighting and sure enough, you know, they get a response that blows them

781
01:06:38.239 --> 01:06:41.920
off, and Repelt was kind of
embarrassed by this because he was thinking,

782
01:06:42.280 --> 01:06:45.880
you know, some of these guys
who just reported this were probably professors to

783
01:06:45.960 --> 01:06:48.519
the people who blew them off.
I mean, these guys knew what they

784
01:06:48.559 --> 01:06:54.639
were talking about, but unfortunately a
lack of resources even back then. That's

785
01:06:54.719 --> 01:07:00.119
exactly right. And the other thing
is from the Robinson panel for nineteen fifty

786
01:07:00.400 --> 01:07:08.079
three, they have they put the
squelsh on anybody reporting them. They're coops,

787
01:07:08.159 --> 01:07:13.480
their nuts, drunks, hallucinations,
all that type thing to keep from

788
01:07:13.760 --> 01:07:19.239
people from reporting them because they didn't
want the White House's telephone lines plugged up

789
01:07:19.480 --> 01:07:26.360
like they and the Pentagon and military
bases with these UFO sightings. So they

790
01:07:27.039 --> 01:07:30.079
said, you've got to be little
and make fun of these people that are

791
01:07:30.119 --> 01:07:33.960
reporting them. So people did not
want their names associated with any UFO report.

792
01:07:34.519 --> 01:07:40.000
And now I read these reports.
They want to remain anonymous. They're

793
01:07:40.239 --> 01:07:43.920
the old reports. They want to
remain anonymous. The ones we get today.

794
01:07:44.519 --> 01:07:46.239
Oh yeah, you bet, you
bet put my name in there,

795
01:07:46.360 --> 01:07:50.800
you bet put it on YouTube.
I'm the one they're all wanting to day

796
01:07:50.840 --> 01:07:55.239
in the limelight today. But back
then they didn't want to talk about it,

797
01:07:56.280 --> 01:07:59.679
right, Yeah, I want to
ask you about that change that if

798
01:07:59.719 --> 01:08:03.480
you seen a difference over the year. We often call it the giggle factor,

799
01:08:03.559 --> 01:08:08.199
you know, where they make fun
because the Robertson panel was very effective.

800
01:08:08.239 --> 01:08:11.599
I mean that did happen. People
were called kooks, and even that

801
01:08:11.760 --> 01:08:15.319
happened somewhat today. But it seems
to be starting to go away. As

802
01:08:15.399 --> 01:08:20.159
you said, people don't all want
to be anonymous anymore now, especially in

803
01:08:20.239 --> 01:08:25.279
the last couple of years. We've
had a lot of celebrities Sammy Hagar,

804
01:08:25.520 --> 01:08:30.199
you know, is really in the
news that what's Katie Perry and some of

805
01:08:30.279 --> 01:08:34.039
these others talking about this stuff.
But it seems like that might be changing.

806
01:08:34.119 --> 01:08:38.600
You think it is. I think
it is. I think it's becoming

807
01:08:38.680 --> 01:08:43.000
more acceptable. The strange thing is, there's an awful lot of things becoming

808
01:08:43.079 --> 01:08:48.319
more acceptable that some of them I'm
not too fond of. But that's the

809
01:08:48.359 --> 01:08:53.119
way it is. Yeah, I
think it's a lot more acceptable, and

810
01:08:53.279 --> 01:09:00.880
people are pretty interested in seeing that
things get reported and not as a raid.

811
01:09:01.000 --> 01:09:05.039
I guess too, do you remain
anonymous or to report him? Right,

812
01:09:06.119 --> 01:09:12.960
That's the one thing that I've noticing. Used to be probably ninety percent

813
01:09:13.119 --> 01:09:17.760
or more back in the fifties,
sixties, and seventies and even into the

814
01:09:17.840 --> 01:09:24.720
eighties that they were I want to
I'll report this, but do not use

815
01:09:24.800 --> 01:09:29.840
my name. And of course that's
one of the significant factors about New Fons

816
01:09:29.920 --> 01:09:35.319
investigations. We will maintain the anonymity
of a witness if that's what they desire.

817
01:09:36.439 --> 01:09:43.640
But today we're finding back well,
back then, nobody didn't seem everybody

818
01:09:43.760 --> 01:09:46.760
seemed like they wanted anonymity. But
today, no, that's fine, you

819
01:09:46.840 --> 01:09:54.479
can use my name. So there
has been a definite change. And do

820
01:09:54.560 --> 01:09:58.800
you think that, well, do
you think that we may seem when this

821
01:09:58.960 --> 01:10:04.000
comes to the main do you think
perhaps that the mainstream is taking this more

822
01:10:04.119 --> 01:10:06.840
serious or do you think we should
have a long way to go there?

823
01:10:08.560 --> 01:10:12.239
No, I think I think the
media. I think we're finally getting some

824
01:10:12.680 --> 01:10:18.119
of the reporters of the media that
are looking at this at a more what

825
01:10:18.399 --> 01:10:24.640
the world is going on? There's
something going on here. And to give

826
01:10:24.640 --> 01:10:30.159
you an example, Alejandro I I
was asked to speak at a service club

827
01:10:30.199 --> 01:10:34.800
and there were about fifty people,
and the program chairman contacted me and asked

828
01:10:34.840 --> 01:10:41.920
if i'd talk about UFOs and I
said sure, and so I gave my

829
01:10:42.159 --> 01:10:47.840
presentation and about it included MWFON and
all the information about MWFON and citing reports

830
01:10:47.880 --> 01:10:54.960
and that type of thing. After
the meeting, I had some people come

831
01:10:55.039 --> 01:10:58.119
up and said, you know,
I've always I've always poo pooed this,

832
01:10:58.279 --> 01:11:02.119
but says, you're making a lot
of sense. And the guy, the

833
01:11:02.399 --> 01:11:05.840
program chairman after just as a matter
of fact, a week ago, he

834
01:11:05.920 --> 01:11:10.199
said to Lisa's cliff he said,
he said, I had quite a few

835
01:11:10.239 --> 01:11:14.880
people saying, what kind of deal
are you giving us about these UFOs h

836
01:11:15.159 --> 01:11:18.640
and laughed at it. And afterwards
he said, they told me they enjoyed

837
01:11:18.720 --> 01:11:23.359
the show. Well, I think
people are really not that. I'm good,

838
01:11:23.520 --> 01:11:30.319
that's just the information. It's you
too, so well whatever, but

839
01:11:30.439 --> 01:11:35.079
they were, they were they were
highly impressed with the fact that there is

840
01:11:35.239 --> 01:11:41.039
something going on. Yeah, yeah, and it seems, you know,

841
01:11:41.439 --> 01:11:45.840
that's what's wonderful about all of this
stuff that even today, you know a

842
01:11:45.920 --> 01:11:50.000
lot of people covered Canlson, Arnold
and Roswell and lots of that stuff,

843
01:11:50.359 --> 01:11:55.800
but there's a lot in this field, a lot of the really credible stuff

844
01:11:56.239 --> 01:12:00.680
that people that isn't covered by the
documentaries and things and that people still don't

845
01:12:00.760 --> 01:12:06.000
know about. So there's certainly a
lot of credible and eye opening stuff for

846
01:12:06.239 --> 01:12:11.359
us to share to the general public. You know, when you said,

847
01:12:11.439 --> 01:12:15.720
Kenneth Arnold, Alejandra, one of
the things that I noticed and I found

848
01:12:15.880 --> 01:12:26.239
in the archives were five investigations of
UFO events by Kenneth Arnold. Hmm really

849
01:12:26.880 --> 01:12:32.079
yeah. I thought, wow,
that's interesting. These were his sightings or

850
01:12:32.159 --> 01:12:38.239
ones that he investigated, ones he
investigated of other people reporting him. Oh

851
01:12:38.600 --> 01:12:42.640
wow. Yeah. You know.
We had Paula Harris on recently. She's

852
01:12:42.680 --> 01:12:46.279
going to be at the conference,
and she did an interview that we're going

853
01:12:46.319 --> 01:12:50.439
to have in our magazine with Kenneth
Arnold's daughter, and yet she said he

854
01:12:50.680 --> 01:12:56.760
was really into the topic and he
in fact had several other sightings, but

855
01:12:56.920 --> 01:13:01.359
he was so because he was made
Buna and it was just that he didn't

856
01:13:01.359 --> 01:13:06.680
report him, right. Yeah.
So you know when I say that,

857
01:13:06.920 --> 01:13:15.600
I'll look back again through those.
But uh, I know he investigated him

858
01:13:15.640 --> 01:13:19.399
for others, But you know,
I'm just wondering if maybe he didn't use

859
01:13:19.439 --> 01:13:25.119
a pseudo name and just reported what
he saw. Oh yeah, that's a

860
01:13:25.159 --> 01:13:29.439
good point. Other researchers have been
suspected of doing that sort of thing.

861
01:13:30.159 --> 01:13:34.439
Uh huh, right, right,
so maybe, But it's very interesting when

862
01:13:34.479 --> 01:13:41.520
you start seeing these names pop up
and the things that they did that were

863
01:13:42.079 --> 01:13:48.720
not as out in the press or
the public as much as some like Kenneth

864
01:13:48.800 --> 01:13:55.000
Arnold's when he coined the tame term
falling saucers inside that saw the nine objects.

865
01:13:55.479 --> 01:13:59.359
That was a significant event. There
are other things that they have done

866
01:14:00.119 --> 01:14:08.279
that are also significant and they don't
get reported as much now. And when

867
01:14:08.319 --> 01:14:13.279
you're going back through this, are
you seeing a lot of credible people?

868
01:14:13.359 --> 01:14:16.840
I mean, do you see a
lot of like you had an engineer or

869
01:14:16.840 --> 01:14:21.199
are you seeing lots of engineers or
professor Uh huh, yes, professors.

870
01:14:23.479 --> 01:14:26.960
One. I just read one this
afternoon, and I'm it's blurred with the

871
01:14:27.039 --> 01:14:30.479
others. But the thing that caught
my attention. He was a professor at

872
01:14:30.520 --> 01:14:34.600
the university, did not believe in
UFOs and thought there were a bunch of

873
01:14:34.720 --> 01:14:40.640
malarkey until he had his sighting and
he said, I could not explain that.

874
01:14:41.239 --> 01:14:45.880
And in any manner, there's no
there's no aircraft that can move as

875
01:14:45.960 --> 01:14:49.840
fast as this thing did, up
and down and back and forth, and

876
01:14:50.359 --> 01:14:57.760
was close, very close to him. So this is a professor from a

877
01:14:58.640 --> 01:15:01.399
university. He didn't want the verse
the name released. I remember that,

878
01:15:01.640 --> 01:15:10.680
so I won't say that. But
there's professors, there's policemen. One policeman

879
01:15:10.800 --> 01:15:15.920
in Oregon. The police chief had
two events. And one of them at

880
01:15:15.039 --> 01:15:18.680
first when he tried to brush it
away, and the second one he says,

881
01:15:18.720 --> 01:15:23.439
I can't ignore this any longer.
He said, these are real craft.

882
01:15:23.960 --> 01:15:26.840
This is not imaginary. People are
not nuts. He says, what

883
01:15:27.000 --> 01:15:31.079
I saw that lit up the living
room in my house with a blue light

884
01:15:32.039 --> 01:15:39.399
and was right above the house.
He said, there is no way you

885
01:15:39.520 --> 01:15:46.119
can dismiss that as not being unidentified
flying object. Though. Yeah, police

886
01:15:46.239 --> 01:15:51.760
chiefs, pilots. I have one
report of a F eighty six pilot that

887
01:15:53.680 --> 01:15:58.119
was on a Collisian court for the
UFO, and I'll be reporting about that

888
01:15:58.279 --> 01:16:04.479
one too, at the diference and
they flew right into the craft where it

889
01:16:04.680 --> 01:16:09.960
was, and it shot straight up
and they could see underneath it. It

890
01:16:10.119 --> 01:16:15.119
was. It's an amazing story.
So there's when you hit the part.

891
01:16:15.159 --> 01:16:17.399
Well. And of course we know
the astronauts. They've they some of the

892
01:16:17.439 --> 01:16:24.680
astronauts. Gordon Cooper and Story.
Musgrave was at the symposium this year.

893
01:16:24.760 --> 01:16:28.960
He has not seen anything, but
there is no doubt in his mind that

894
01:16:29.119 --> 01:16:33.760
there is an intelligent life out there, more advanced, maybe not as advanced,

895
01:16:34.520 --> 01:16:38.760
but he says the odds are for
a planet like Earth being out there.

896
01:16:38.840 --> 01:16:42.920
He says, there's a trillion of
them, just like Earth. So

897
01:16:45.000 --> 01:16:48.359
no, I'm just going to say
so that just indicates that if in fact,

898
01:16:48.840 --> 01:16:54.760
somebody look what we've done in one
hundred years with our military aircraft and

899
01:16:55.720 --> 01:16:59.600
how we've gone to the Moon another
one hundred years, no telling huddle happened.

900
01:16:59.640 --> 01:17:03.479
If some culture from another planet is
five hundred years ahead of us or

901
01:17:03.560 --> 01:17:09.199
a thousand, they could do some
things that were we wouldn't understand today.

902
01:17:10.159 --> 01:17:14.560
Yeah. Well, it gets funny
because I remember being a kid, and

903
01:17:15.920 --> 01:17:19.840
now that I've revealed, you know
what year I was born, and watching

904
01:17:20.000 --> 01:17:24.319
like you know, Star Trek and
thinking, wow, those communicators are so

905
01:17:24.520 --> 01:17:27.439
cool. I hope that one day, you know, by the time I

906
01:17:27.560 --> 01:17:31.159
passed away, that we will develop
something that cool. And here we are.

907
01:17:31.199 --> 01:17:34.399
I've got a computer. I didn't
even know we'd have computers, personal

908
01:17:34.439 --> 01:17:39.720
computers, and I've got a you
know this iPhone personal computer where I have

909
01:17:39.920 --> 01:17:44.960
access to all this information right here
in my pocket. So I mean our

910
01:17:45.279 --> 01:17:49.039
advancement is just I think it's overwhelming
for everyone. Yeah, it really is.

911
01:17:49.199 --> 01:17:55.199
I remember reading Dick Tracy a little
Orphan Annie when I was a kid,

912
01:17:55.680 --> 01:17:58.920
and he had a wristwatch he could
talk in too, So wow,

913
01:17:59.079 --> 01:18:02.880
won't that be cool? Isn't that
cool? Well, we got stuff very

914
01:18:02.920 --> 01:18:08.439
similar to that or better. Yeah, exactly, it's amazing. When you

915
01:18:08.560 --> 01:18:12.680
talk about story Muskrave, he didn't
think, you know. Surprisingly, He

916
01:18:12.720 --> 01:18:15.439
said he had heard all the stories
of UFOs from astronauts, but he didn't

917
01:18:15.439 --> 01:18:19.279
think there was much to it.
But he was adamant that certainly there must

918
01:18:19.359 --> 01:18:24.920
be life out there. Do you
think Jason and I were talking about this

919
01:18:25.039 --> 01:18:30.600
earlier because astrobiology and the possibility of
life on other planets is such a hot

920
01:18:30.720 --> 01:18:34.880
topic with scientists right now, and
we seem to be on the cusp of

921
01:18:35.039 --> 01:18:43.239
finding some sort of life the mainstream
scientists revealing or having a discovery of some

922
01:18:43.399 --> 01:18:45.920
sort of life outside of our own
planet. Do you think that's going to

923
01:18:46.039 --> 01:18:53.079
help people take this field more seriously. I think it will. I think

924
01:18:53.159 --> 01:18:57.960
when it sinks in that there could
possibly there are some people that are still

925
01:18:58.119 --> 01:19:01.159
so arrogant that they believe that we
are the only life in the universe,

926
01:19:02.119 --> 01:19:10.640
that their paradigm will shift so significant
when they when the discovery is finally made

927
01:19:10.800 --> 01:19:15.119
that I don't know how they'll be
able to handle it. But the ones

928
01:19:15.239 --> 01:19:17.800
that are on, you know,
well maybe so maybe No, I think

929
01:19:17.880 --> 01:19:21.880
that they're finding out. We just
I just read an article where they found

930
01:19:21.920 --> 01:19:28.800
a planet that's the exact location from
the Sun with the Sun very similar to

931
01:19:28.880 --> 01:19:33.359
Earth. That's what sixty light years
away from us. It's the closest one

932
01:19:33.479 --> 01:19:39.000
and the planet is larger than the
Earth, but it has everything according to

933
01:19:39.079 --> 01:19:48.560
the scientists and astrophysicists that it would
support life as we know it. And

934
01:19:48.640 --> 01:19:53.560
that was just in the last few
days. Yeah, and these discoveries seem

935
01:19:53.600 --> 01:19:58.600
to be happening on a nearly daily
at least weekly basis, right right,

936
01:19:59.239 --> 01:20:03.680
And I think this is it's people
are going to have to start saying,

937
01:20:03.880 --> 01:20:06.920
well, wait a minute, well
that's still too What they'll say is,

938
01:20:06.960 --> 01:20:13.720
well, it's still too far form
to get here. Well, their technology

939
01:20:13.840 --> 01:20:17.000
will not be a propulsion system as
we know it. That's well, we

940
01:20:17.119 --> 01:20:23.760
know that they're able to do things
that we're not capable of doing. Yeah,

941
01:20:24.039 --> 01:20:28.880
yeah, but we can. We're
moving a lot faster these days ourselves.

942
01:20:29.520 --> 01:20:32.840
Yep, that's for sure. Way
too fast, Yeah, way too

943
01:20:33.039 --> 01:20:40.560
fast. Slow down, young fella, that's right. So it is all

944
01:20:40.840 --> 01:20:47.079
really exciting. Do you have a
I mean, it seems like as far

945
01:20:47.159 --> 01:20:50.800
as some of the there was a
little bit of a rockiness, and I

946
01:20:50.960 --> 01:20:56.239
call it a little bit of rockiness
remove on, because the general public I

947
01:20:56.319 --> 01:21:00.359
don't think really even knew. There
were some people interns only that we're dissatisfied.

948
01:21:00.479 --> 01:21:05.199
Sure they made some noise in the
circles amongst moots move on, but

949
01:21:05.239 --> 01:21:09.720
I don't think people really knew.
And now, you know, because it's

950
01:21:10.199 --> 01:21:14.760
move on such a strong base,
you know, it's no problem taken and

951
01:21:14.920 --> 01:21:19.000
striight and moved on. So I
don't see that as really being an issue

952
01:21:19.000 --> 01:21:23.560
in the future, but for the
future for move on in this field.

953
01:21:24.239 --> 01:21:28.039
How do you feel about it?
Do you feel pretty positive? I feel

954
01:21:28.199 --> 01:21:32.600
very good. I think we're Dave
McDonald, the new International Director, will

955
01:21:32.680 --> 01:21:38.399
be doing a great job. And
our goals, you know, for research

956
01:21:38.560 --> 01:21:44.479
and education and investigation are still primary, our primary goals, and that's what

957
01:21:44.600 --> 01:21:48.479
we want to do, and with
the volunteer members that are out there that

958
01:21:48.600 --> 01:21:55.880
are doing just an outstanding job,
it's we're going to continue to grow and

959
01:21:56.000 --> 01:22:04.239
we're going to continue to maintain the
integrity of a scientific investigation. And I

960
01:22:04.359 --> 01:22:09.359
think that's important. You know,
from time to time, as you well

961
01:22:09.479 --> 01:22:15.359
know, Alejandro, we people that
they absolutely believe they saw a flying saucer

962
01:22:16.000 --> 01:22:20.119
or a UFO and we can prove
to him exactly what it was, but

963
01:22:20.560 --> 01:22:26.960
that is not something they want to
hear. Yeah, but that's that's few

964
01:22:27.000 --> 01:22:30.279
and far between. But there's still
those people that really are believed they saw

965
01:22:30.399 --> 01:22:35.800
something and in fact they scientifically we
can prove that they saw something other than

966
01:22:38.680 --> 01:22:44.840
the UFO. Yeah. Now,
Dave McDonald, he's got a trait similar

967
01:22:44.960 --> 01:22:47.640
to you that I really like.
You know, I've got to see him

968
01:22:47.640 --> 01:22:51.840
at some symposiums and stuff, and
like you, he almost always has a

969
01:22:51.920 --> 01:22:56.239
smile on his face, which is
great. But I was wondering if you

970
01:22:56.279 --> 01:23:00.520
can tell us a little more about
him because his day job is pretty exciting.

971
01:23:00.319 --> 01:23:08.720
Yeah. He has a charter airline
which he and his wife run.

972
01:23:10.399 --> 01:23:17.159
It's called Flamingo Air. He also
has a pilot training school and a dispatcher

973
01:23:17.560 --> 01:23:21.520
training school. Now he doesn't do
the hands on day to day things.

974
01:23:21.560 --> 01:23:27.439
He has people that do that,
as any good manager does. They delegate

975
01:23:27.560 --> 01:23:32.720
and allow people to fulfill their destiny
as long as it's in conjunction with his

976
01:23:32.960 --> 01:23:41.000
destiny. And he just is an
amazing person that is able to do the

977
01:23:41.079 --> 01:23:45.119
things that are necessary for his business. But the same time he could still

978
01:23:45.159 --> 01:23:50.279
be international director and work twenty four
to seven for it. So he's a

979
01:23:50.359 --> 01:23:55.199
good businessman. He's been down the
road, he's been under the road and

980
01:23:55.359 --> 01:23:59.439
on top of the road. He
just is a good businessman. And that's

981
01:24:00.239 --> 01:24:05.359
that's what's so important about having an
international director that's a businessman. I didn't

982
01:24:05.439 --> 01:24:11.840
have to know everything about UFOs.
I didn't have to know all the intricacies

983
01:24:11.960 --> 01:24:16.319
that a star team member goes through
to do an investigation. I'm the executive

984
01:24:16.399 --> 01:24:20.720
director. I had to make sure
that everything was working in the right direction,

985
01:24:23.039 --> 01:24:28.039
everything's flowing from one spot to the
other spot correctly. And that's what

986
01:24:28.239 --> 01:24:32.720
Dave's able to do. He knows
how to direct and to put things in

987
01:24:32.880 --> 01:24:41.039
proper perspectives to make sure that the
overall umbrella of upon is maintained with integrity

988
01:24:41.159 --> 01:24:46.359
and science, which is I think
people need to realize too and take a

989
01:24:46.439 --> 01:24:51.479
step back when they're thinking about the
move On leadership in that you know,

990
01:24:51.600 --> 01:25:00.720
this is an organization with a toss
and literally unprecedented job of keeping this organization

991
01:25:00.079 --> 01:25:04.960
running. Because organizations come and go, even the big ones NICAP and Koufos

992
01:25:05.039 --> 01:25:10.279
and some of these other organizations that
we've been very important that we've heard about

993
01:25:10.319 --> 01:25:15.000
in the past, ran by people
like Heinek and m and these others,

994
01:25:15.399 --> 01:25:20.319
they've come and gone. But move
On has been around since sixty nine,

995
01:25:21.199 --> 01:25:27.279
collecting so much data, doing so
much good work, and it's important that

996
01:25:27.399 --> 01:25:30.560
it continues. And that's what you
guys are are most focused on. That's

997
01:25:30.720 --> 01:25:34.960
exactly right. And you need a
line of succession, which is what I

998
01:25:35.119 --> 01:25:41.560
tried to build when I was there, because the future there's a lot of

999
01:25:41.600 --> 01:25:46.600
gray haired guys on the board of
director and it's we need people hair.

1000
01:25:46.680 --> 01:25:50.399
I've got quite a bit these days. Pardon me, what's wrong with gray

1001
01:25:50.439 --> 01:25:54.039
hair? I got quite a bit
these days. Oh well, yeah,

1002
01:25:54.119 --> 01:26:00.760
well there's really nothing wrong with it, but it's it is an indition of

1003
01:26:01.840 --> 01:26:13.720
a proximity to meeting our maker.
So but anyway, it's so anyway,

1004
01:26:13.720 --> 01:26:16.199
I tried to keep a line of
succession going and that's why I brought on

1005
01:26:16.359 --> 01:26:23.119
three INTERM directors so that they could
fill the positions. I would suspect within

1006
01:26:23.199 --> 01:26:30.239
the next three to five years there'd
be a board turnover just because of age

1007
01:26:30.319 --> 01:26:33.199
and health. So we've got to
get people lined up that have the same

1008
01:26:33.880 --> 01:26:41.159
ideas and goals that the new FON
has. Well, that's at which is

1009
01:26:41.239 --> 01:26:44.520
so important. And it's great that
you guys have done such a great job.

1010
01:26:44.600 --> 01:26:47.520
And I personally, from my perspective
and I have a lot of insight

1011
01:26:47.720 --> 01:26:53.279
into all of it, You've done
a wonderful job. And now we are

1012
01:26:53.439 --> 01:26:56.760
almost out of time. And I
guess my last question would be what is

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the title of your talking to be
at the Congress. It's going to be

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about what I will Well, I'm
not gonna the title of it is undisclosed

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01:27:10.520 --> 01:27:15.319
upon UFO cases oh act exciting.
So yeah, so what I will be

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talking about. One of the things
I've found, Alejandro, is that many

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people have heard a UPON but they
don't know what we do. So my

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01:27:26.760 --> 01:27:32.840
first maybe ten minutes will be explaining
MUFON so that they have a better understanding

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01:27:33.039 --> 01:27:38.399
of how I can talk to them
about the cases that I'm willing to present

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to them from our archives. Cool. Well, that's exciting, so we're

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out of time. Thank you so
much for being on the show again.

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And people will be able to come
to the conference and meet you, and

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I'm sure you're going to have a
finger opening joke and some good ones.

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Okay, Alejandro, thank you so
much. It's been nice not being on

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here with you and appreciate what you're
doing. Keep up the good work.

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Thank you so much. We'll talk
to you later, you bet, bye

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bye. All right, that was
mister clipper Cliff, who's always a lot

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01:28:13.079 --> 01:28:16.039
of fun. And we are out
of time, like I told Cliff,

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so be sure to go to Ufocongress
dot com and sign up so you can

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01:28:20.600 --> 01:28:25.159
come out and meet Cliff his talk. He's really piqued my interest. That

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01:28:25.279 --> 01:28:30.640
sounds like it's gonna be excellent talk. So I'm really excited about it.

1032
01:28:31.079 --> 01:28:34.399
And also, of course you heard
some of the other names. Really these

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are the names of people who have
been asked, you know, have them

1034
01:28:39.439 --> 01:28:43.039
come to talk it to Congress.
And so we said, okay, if

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01:28:43.079 --> 01:28:45.600
you want him, you're gonna get
him. So now you got to come

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01:28:45.680 --> 01:28:47.800
see him. You're the one who
asks for him, so it's gonna be

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a lot of fun. But also
be sure to check out Openminds dot tv

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01:28:54.680 --> 01:28:59.640
for some of those stories we talked
about, DailyNews, dot net or dot

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01:28:59.760 --> 01:29:02.359
com. And also, you know, like I said, there's that UFO

1040
01:29:02.479 --> 01:29:09.199
news feed where you can see more
UFO stories from out in the mainstream media.

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And also go check out that Texas
video there. So thank you for

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listening. We will talk to you
next week. Audio Smooth Sato's