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Did you enjoy Transgender Day of Visibility the other day? Oh? And I
mean that was one of those issues where it broke through to people who normally
don't talk politics with me. Were very upset that the Biden White House issued
a proclamation to mark Resurrection Sunday as the Day of transgender Visibility. Yeah,
I made it big. All to do about it. The New York Times
today had one of those Republicans ounce or sees on columns or lash out columns.
What made me laugh is that they framed it that Transgender Day of Visibility,
not Transgender Day of Awareness. It's a different day. I've been corrected.
Happened to fall on Easter, as if you know, traditionally Transgender Day
of Visibility falls on around this time. No, I believe that Joe Biden's
on Good Friday signed the proclamation. I believe right making that the day.
He could have made it next week, he could have made it next month,
he could have made it whenever he felt like. There's an argument that
any day of this, for this very deeply religious holiday by which I mean
like our major religion right now, seems to be about rejection of nature,
and so making this like a really big important holiday on any day is actually
inappropriate. It's not something that should be a holiday. There is sure.
Okay, so it falls on March thirty first every year, or it's held
on that day every date every year, and this year it's Easter, and
next year it might be on Idohl fodder. But maybe, don't, you
know, maybe show some prudence, even if you accept this radical gender ideology
and all the problems associated with it, which is bad enough, like show
some prudence about whether this day that Christians have celebrated for two thousand years and
is not a surprise to anyone, and is our holiest and most important day
around which our entire religion is based. Maybe show some respect for the Oh,
I don't know tens of millions or hundreds of millions of Christians you have
in the country. Yeah, I'm not a Christian, but I know that
Easter is the big one. That's the day that actually makes it a separate
religion. It is the core, is the whole idea of it rests on
that day, and you should go out of your way to not have stupid
identity politics and trud on that day. I don't and I'm not even obviously
I'm not a Christian, but I am just so sick of the cowardice I
see in the Christian community. Frankly, like the Catholic Church, for instance,
this is a nominally Catholic president who is constantly being referred to as a
devout Catholic. One Archbishop I forgot where said that he was like a cafeteria
Catholic. No, he's much worse than that. He is perpetuating ideas that
are anti Catholic. And you would think that the Pope, instead of chiming
in on what's going on in Gaza or whatever that you know he's talking about
these days, would say the president is wrong. He's wrong to be pro
abortion, not just abortion, but radical till crowning abortion. And he is
a radical to do what he's doing now. But yet it's not just Catholics.
I only mention Catholics because Joe Biden is you know, a Catholic.
But they're the ones who need to stand up here, not me or people
like me. The do you know a lot of people think Pope Francis is
not history's greatest pope, to put it mildly, and yet even he has
spoken out against gender ideology, which he has called the worst danger of our
time or like the ugliest ideology of our time. He's been really straightforward about
it for the time being at least, so you actually have the backing of
the big guy in the Roman Catholic Church to go out and speak with confidence
about these things like I don't you know, I'm not Roman Catholic. I
don't understand how all of that works. But like you've got good, powerful
backing to speak the truth there. You shouldn't be so fearful, and just
fear in general is not something you should associate with a healthy church. You
think about all the people who were martyred for expressing the truth in the early
days of Christianity that continues to this day in other countries, and you're scared
of speaking out against your government embracing the evil of radical gender ideology, like
you don't deserve to be a man of the cloth or any kind of leader
of a church institution. And also you don't have to fall for the framing
of the left on this. You by by calling it out, you're not
being a hater. You're saying listen, at least this is how I would
say that these people are are damaged to people that you know, we don't
you know or whatever, and that this is not you know, and that
we don't need to celebrate this thing. You don't have to, you know,
be hateful about it. But I just want to quickly say in Judaism,
and I'm probably I'm going to get the specifics wrong, so someone can
write in and tell me, but there's one of the it's a sin to
mislead people about what Judaism is. So a person with a yamagon doesn't walk
into a McDonald's because someone else might see it and think it's a kosher right
or that kind of thing. Well, Biden is engaged on a grand scale
in misleading people about what Christianity and Catholicism, you know, what's acceptable and
what's not. And it's not just Orthodoxy. I mean, are there church?
Are there? Is there some kind of like Catholic offshoot that says abortions?
Okay, I guess maybe there is some fake church or whatever. But
in general, he's misleading people, and it's just it stumps me. I
don't understand why more people aren't just outraged by it who are religious, and
maybe they are, but the institutions themselves. I mean, I don't know.
I'm just ramping now, but it is just again not my church,
so not you know, entirely my place. But I do know there have
been some brave people who have worked to limit communion from people who openly embrace
the slaughter of children in the womb, and they have been punished from their
high by their higher ups or you know, competing archbishops will say, oh,
don't worry that that guy won't give you a communion, Nancy Pelosi,
I'll give you a communion, you know, totally undermining the spiritual authority of
the of the archbishop where the individual actually live. And so it's very hard
to publicly advocate for the truth when you're being undermined by people in your own
church body. And that's why it's what they're doing is very bad to their
brothers. As a secular person, I just feel these religious organizations have a
duty, a duty to stand up for these sorts of things. And let's
get into something else. By the way, the proclamation itself is filled with
just absolute just lies. Right. It's a political stunt on top of all
of it, because he here's what Biden says that he says that extremists are
proposing hundreds of hateful laws at target and terrify transgender kids and their families,
silencing teachers, banning books, threatening parents and doctors and nurses and so on.
All of that is a lie. Right. There are no banned books.
There is pornography and schools, and some people don't want it in schools.
You can buy those books for your kids if you're a psycho, go
to Amazon and buy it. You don't have to have it into schools.
But moreover, this is a true you know, this is a debate over
what is allowable, what kind of surgery, and what kind of drugs are
allowable, you know, for kids sometimes who are prepubescent kids, I mean
that is a debate. You're tree pubescent who maybe are in the throes of
mental delusion, who may someday recover from their mental delusion and to have permanent
sterilization and permanent violence done to healthy body parts in order to be part of
this radical religious like delusion or radical like it's just so, it's so awful,
like, you know, they're permanently sterilizing children, And yeah, I
think that should be banned. I'm not so sure it should be allowed for
anyone, but it definitely should not be allowed for children. And that's not
a crazy thing to say, by the way. Like one weird thing about
this is that polling shows that not just little majorities, but massive majorities of
Americans, including Democrats, oppose radical gender ideology. And yet Joe Biden and
other leaders in his party are they sound as if they're dealing with an issue
that eighty percent of Americans agree with. It is true that one hundred percent
of people in corporate media agree with them, which makes it very easy to
do these types of things without pushback, but most Americans oppose it. Well,
that's why this messaging is always infused with euphemisms. They you know,
gender affirming surgery, you know, which is a complete or Weellian phrase.
It's gender dissenting mutilation or something that would be the proper way to talk about
that. Oh, even like when people say, like you have to use
someone's quote unquote pronouns, and you know, I, of course, and
we at the Federalists don't believe. We believe pronouns are sex and number specific,
and so we don't use false pronouns. But I think that corporate media
and other radicals say that false pronouns are the real pronouns. I mean's just
it's it's why it's so important to fight for the language. And there's a
religious you know, we have a we have a college John Davidson whose new
book is Pagan America America, right, Pagan America, And he's right,
there's a religious tenor to the way they talk about these things. He is
Joe Biden showed more reverence towards Transgendered Visibility Day than he did to Easter in
this in this proclamation right here, transgender acceptance Day, Acceptance Day. No,
today's visibility visibility. It was a visibility day, Okay, come on,
get your holidays straight, by the way, I hate all these identity
holidays, awareness days, awareness months, awareness weeks. I don't care if
it were for like conservative Jews who live in Virginia day. I mean,
I just find it annoying. I don't know, I actually kind of like
it when you can, you know, honor the different people who make the
country, you know, what it is. But that's better when you actually
like what the other people are or can tolerate them in like a nice festive
spirit, like oh, it's the Serbs Day of Happiness, so okay,
great. But when it's like starting to be like, oh it's for the
doctors who cut off healthy body parts of children permanently sterilizing them, It's like
I don't want to celebrate that day. That seems like a bad day to
celebrate. I don't want to celebrate. You know, like you understand,
like in a healthy society that you might have a variety of opinions, But
if they're that awful, that's when it becomes a problem. When is middle
aged, heterosexual white Doe day of Acceptance and awareness and visibility. When do
we get our That's April fifteenth, that's tax day. That's good. Oh
my god, that's coming up. A quick note on that. We weren't
going to discuss it, but did you see that they're the governments sup for
sharing this IRS program that can do your taxes for you. Now you have
to be the biggest fool on earth to use that program. They want to
use tax payer dollars to get rid of turbo tax and all of that.
Do you think the IRIS is going to get you the best deal. No,
They're going to get you the worst deal. I want to write off
every single thing I can, paying as little as you can in taxes.
It's one of the most patriotic things you can do. IRIS should not be
in the business of doing your taxes in that way. That's just what I
think. Anyway, I feel like I was more upset by this Easter thing
than Christians. And that's oh no, I was. You know at church
this weekend. People were so upset about it, and even people like in
the neighborhood seemed really upset about it. So somehow it broke through. Oh
I do want to say one other thing about it, Sure, did you
notice how like Jonathan Martin and other corporate media types were going after people who
had a problem with marking this day on Easter Sunday and issuing a proclamation.
I mean they were like completely downplaying it and making fun of people who noticed
it and saying it was no big deal. It really is a great reminder
of how detached from reality these people in corporate media are. I was talking
to someone who was at the White House who you picked up on this actually,
who saw it was one of the proclamations issued on Good Friday and thought
a big deal, you know, thought it was newsworthy. And the pushback
they got from their peers in the White House press, you know, situation
was exactly what you would expect it to be. Well, when I was
young, you'd see, like, you know, they'd be the zealous sort
of evangelicals. At least that's was my view of the world, you know,
banging on a table, worried about the gaze or whatever this is.
This is not that, this is just insanity and it is completely normal.
They're the ones who are the religious zealots for their woke religion whatever you want
to call it. But they just continue to use that kind of mocking tone
towards people who are upset by this stuff. I actually think they're much more
related than people recognize, and I understand that. You know, there're a
ton of gay people who are very opposed to radical gender ideology, but there
is there are elements of feminism and the gay rights movement that really overlap quite
a bit with the gender ideology movement. And what I mean by that is
that there is a rejection of nature in all of these systems, meaning like
women have a particular they have they have you know, we get pregnant,
and a lot of the feminist movement seems about rebelling against that reality that women
are the carriers of the next generation and they're built around you know, so
like even think about how they're like it's so important that we make sure women
can fill corner offices and get X amount of pay, and it's like,
well, there are kind of reasons why women and men have have gone into
different lines of work, and it's actually a good thing for a healthy societ
that we protect women's ability to state and deliver children. And just like acknowledging
that reality and creating a society that acknowledges that reality is really important, certainly
much more important than like, can you work this corporate drone job that will
give you very little happiness relative to the kind of fulfillment and happiness you get
when you build a family, and you know likewise the only the only sexual
situation that produces children is one man and one woman knocking boots and making a
baby. And that does have profound societal consequences about what we privilege in terms
of family life and what we don't in terms of other sexual decisions people make.
And just like failure to understand these things a rejection of that ilogical reality.
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I also, since we're going to take a deeper dive on this,
I see a lot of you know, the more I don't want to know
what to call them, but maybe Christian nationalist types with the intellectual wing.
You know, they blame liberalism because obviously there are notions of equality, and
you keep taking that to its logical end, you end up in a place
where even you know, any kind of perversion whatever however, they see it,
you know, as nuts. But I also blame Christianity a little bit
in the sense Tom Holland actually called the wokeness a reformation without God. Like
the the idea that everyone's equal, that everyone must be you know, treated,
you know, with a certain kind of dignity and respect, and I
actually believe that's true, has been kind of morphed into this idea where you
have to take all kinds of perversions of nature or whatever and treat it as
if it were a norm. Do you know what I'm say saying? So
I disagree with that. It's like that Thomas soul saying, where you know,
if you're so open minded that your brain falls out, that that's a
problem. And I think there are limitations on that. Now. I don't
want to punish anyone, but I do want to be able to say that
that's not the norm, that's not normal, should not be accepted by society.
Right. That's right where I think prudence and wisdom really play a big
role here. So how do you create a society that provides for a healthy
reproduction into you know, new generations while also understanding that not you know,
not every woman will get married and have a family and so, you know,
like these are really challenging issues. But I think we have gone so
crazy into a sphere where a minority of women who care deeply about like not
happiness in the home so much as happiness in the corporate world, are just
privileged beyond belief, while the vast majority of women who do seek to get
married and have children and raise beautiful families and have a loving home, like
it's harder for us because of the way we've made some of these changes.
We see birth rates falling, and a lot of that has to do with
women in the workplace starting and then maybe coming to the realization that they don't
have families. But you know, biology is what it is, and you
just don't have that much time to do that sort of thing. And I
think that that's a big driver of this. But you know, the first
wave feminists, they were even talking about how like marriage was essentially rape and
slavery, right, I mean this, you know, they've just kind of
distorted the view of family and children and sexuality in a way. And I
don't know, I'm not a very big social conservative in that sense, but
it's just it's gone too far, and I don't know that there's a way
healthy way back, honestly, or a free way back in a free society.
That can work, especially when you have the president and Democrats acting like
I was talking to my wife about this. You know, I was not
that interested in these issues. They made me interested in them because they are
the ones who are cultural in heerialist, who demand that you accept everything that
they accept. Not that you can't just live next to someone. You must
accept their lifestyle. You must celebrate their lifestyle, you must be aware of
it, you must see its visibility. Blah blah blah. I don't want
to. I don't like most people in general. I certainly don't want to
hear about your you know, you see a flag about your sexual exploits.
I don't really care. Probably get any trouble for saying this. I don't
really care care well, I mean you kind of have to just speak truth.
Oh really quickly on this since we're on the trans thing. So you
saw Scotland past this anti quote unquote hate law, so you're not allowed to
speak true things if they hurt people's feelings or something. And JK Rowling,
God bless her the moment it went into effect, she just started violating the
law. Like does she live there? Does she live in Scotland? I
guess so, and she was like, she flat out said, I challenge
you to arrest me and put me on trial for speaking the truth that men
cannot become women. And it kind of came out that they're not going to
go after her, and she's like, okay, but if you go after
anyone else, I'm going to repeat the thing they said, so that you
have to go after me and not just the poor, like the poor person
who doesn't have the money to fight you. I mean, that is awesome
and it shows courage. Very few people have had as much pushback as she
has. And I know she's wealthy and I know she's powerful, but she's
using that wealth and power for good and everyone should be this bold on speaking
out against it. I actually think that pushback against radical gender ideology is one
of the few success stories of of recent years, and it's mostly a thank
you to Elon Musk. So the gender crazies made it so that it was
illegal, essentially, not like government illegal, but social media illegal to speak
truth about men being men and women being women, and if you said it,
you were accused of hate speech and then you would be deplatformed, like
removed from Facebook, Twitter and the rest. When Elon Musk bought Twitter,
Who's like, we're going to make this a free speech zone. And so
people have been able to speak the truth and not have to adopt these false
narratives and lies about what it means to be a woman or what it means
to be a man. And it's been huge, Like people are like,
Okay, I'm not alone. Because one of the effects of censorship and suppression
of speech is it makes you feel like scared to speak the truth because you
think that you don't think there are many people who are with you. You
know that study that they did where they put everybody in. They put all
these people in a room and everyone but one person was in on the thing
where they would like, ask you to measure two strips of paper, and
one was noticeably smaller than the other one. But everyone would say it was
the same size except for the And then when the one person who was the
actual subject would get to them, they'd also say it was the same size.
But if you put one other person in that circle who said, obviously,
this one's bigger than the other one, then the test subject would always
agree with that person. And it shows how just one other voice can do
so much good and people should think about that when they're scared to talk to
their neighbors or schoolmates or you know, officemates about the truth, they should
remember that just like one voice with the courage to speak the truth can can
light a forest fire to mix. There's a quote I don't remember who it's
from, but it goes something like this generation was taught that protesting was the
most the bravest thing you can do, when it was actually the most cowardly
thing you can do. Is being a giant mob of people just agreeing with
everyone. It takes a lot of courage not to do that, which I
think we should bring up this email that someone said. I don't have the
specifics, but it was something like, why do we do what we do
when things always say the same and this and that? And it just hit
me that part of what we do not that we're brave. I don't think
any writer is really brave unless they live in Russia or something. I mean,
sometimes people are like, you're so brave because I agree with them,
you know, but it does give us a chance to say things that we
think are true, and maybe that helps people say, you know, I
agree with that, and I should be saying that as well. I was
like struggling to find a reason to say this is why we do what we
do. But I think that that's important. And I also to give maybe
people more a little more because we have the time, and not that we're
smarter really than most people, I'm not, but that we can articulate the
arguments maybe and do the research that helps people grasp an issue better and be
able to argue for the side of truth that were helping. I also wish
we had this email in front of us because it was such a good email
and it really challenged my thinking about you know, we identify these problems so
well, whether it's elections or you know, other major intractable issues, but
then nothing changes, and so when you sort of start to lose hope about
anything ever changing. But partly I think for me it is a little bit
of a religious thing, like I'm not promised a certain outcome, but I
am required to do things regardless. So for instance, telling the truth would
be one of the things that that I'm supposed to do. Doesn't mean that
telling the truth will lead to personal success, might even lead to death,
but I'm still called to tell the truth. So I worry less about particular
outcomes. But I also noticed that throughout history sometimes things would be very bleak
for a fairly lengthy period of time, and then like miraculously enough ground had
been planted and fertilized that something dramatically different happened. And so you could think,
for example, about the Communist the Soviet Union, and how many people
died under the Soviet system and how it went on and on for so many
decades. I mean, some people were born and died under Communist Russia,
and yet when things fell, they fell big, big time, and it
was because like a lot of people had done the work of educating enough of
a resistance so that when the opportunity arose, they could finally overthrow the shackles.
So I kind of look at it that way, like we don't know
what could happening. Something could change everything in a moment's notice, and we
want people to be as prepared as possible to achieve the greatest success, whereas
if you just give up, you have very little odds of success. I
mean I always get emails like, so, yeah, what's the solution.
You never offer solutions. Well, I don't know that I have them,
and I don't know that it works that way. I think there are some
problems that there are really no solutions for. You can't ever really say that
when I talk about school shootings, I always think about this, I don't
really have a good solution to how to stop a crazy person from killing people,
because that solution has not been found in four ten thousand years of humans
being in tribal existence. Right, But you know, you still have to
make the arguments and you hope that yeah, yes and no. There are
plenty of things people can do, and like they actually need to start doing
them much better, like supporting people who are courageous and out there, Like
that's true, whether it's yeah, those of us in the media, but
also those people who are doing political activism or even just like in your personal
life, supporting the people who are doing the right things are way too willing
to not fight hard, give money, like take their time to improve the
situation. If you're just sitting around complaining and you're not actually putting the work
in, like you need to change that. And until such time as people
are devoting as much as they can to proper education, living their own life,
the best way, helping others do it, you know, again,
supporting those people who are good and willing to be out there. You know,
you said we're not courageous, and I completely agree. And also it's
not fun to take the slings and arrows that come our way, like it's
hard, and this is like such a simple little thing. But I love
that so many people send me nice notes. People always say that people are
mean in on the internet, and I get so little of that, and
it really I am one of those people who is encouraged by knowing I've made
a difference or something. So when people tell me like they read something I
wrote on the nature of marriage and it changed their mind, or they were
willing to speak out against this law because of my explanation about why it was
bad. It really keeps me going because you know, in DC, you
get a lot of people shooting glares at you and sort of like behind your
back twitters and mocking and you know, pressure to join their club. And
knowing that there are other people out there who support and that's not just like
the emails, but the financial support and all that stuff, it really really
does keep me going. It's interesting. Yeah, I just always thought that
I think I change very few minds, But I do think that I help
people, maybe on the fence, articulate an argument like that's my hope.
I don't write it because I think I'm going to change a lot of people's
minds. I write because I want to make good arguments to people, and
actually, you know, even if they don't use them, I just want
to make good arguments to make people think about an issue that I care about.
And I am just I hate this naval gazing gazing, but I'm completely
blessed to be able to do that. And sometimes when I'm ripping into someone
I don't like who's powerful, it makes me feel so great that I live
here where I can do that. And that is a blessing too, because
they deserve it and we don't have it. You know. I've been thinking
about this a lot, especially since our last podcast that we talk about the
media and how they are an appendage of the Democratic Party. But I don't
think media even exists anymore. We do not have people holding the accountable powerful
accountable, and it's nice to be able to do that, even in just
a little way. So I guess that's why I do what I do.
And you know, I mean, what else there's nothing else I can do.
I think about that as well. Like I always tell you when I'm
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episode and our good times. This is more navelgazing, but I just have
to tell you that I am. I'd agreed to speak at a private event
in a little while, and I got the list of who else would be
speaking, and one of the people is someone who I've really spent a lot
of time disparaging. I love know when that happens. And you know,
I'm kind of a conflict averse person. Might not sound believable given that I'm
willing to engage in combat like on TV, but in my personal life I
try to have low drama and all that. So I'm like, now I
get to spend several months in anxiety about that. So anyway, sometimes I
met politicians, I'm like, I wonder if they read that com I wrote
when I called them, you know, spineless honk or whatever. Probably not.
Maybe. Actually they're so sensitive, right, They're so sensitive that they
will send you mail. I mean, not all of them, but a
lot of them. A lot of public officials are super sensitive. One time
I was interviewing the former Vice president, Mike Pence, and it was not
like an It was like on stage interviewing. But it was not supposed to
be a hostile event at all. And I'd written my fair share of things,
you know, not completely effusive in praise of him, like you remember
the Religious Freedom Restoration Act issue and you know all that. But anyway,
I wasn't trying to be mean, but all my questions were about COVID,
because you know, he was the COVID czar or whatever. So ity'd I'll
be like, why were you so keen on Anthony Fauci, you know,
and the audience would like cheer the question, and I was like, ah,
this is not going I need to be nicer. But anyway, all
right, so anyway, let's move on to another topic. Very interested in
and that's the end of democracy, which is a very big topic among Democrats.
In fact, I would say that they're almost their entire message for twenty
twenty four is that this is we must save democracy. Actually was their message
for twenty twenty two as well, right in mid terms and a lot of
twenty twenty. So the other day RFK Junior Robert Kennedy was on CNN with
Aaron Burnett, who you know, who's going on about, you know,
the end of democracy and Trump and stuff, and he says, actually,
I think Joe Biden's a bigger threat to democracy, which you know, you
could hear the spasm of the entire media complex, you know, incredulously wonder
how anyone could possibly think that, And he specifically pointed out that Kennedy was,
I mean, Biden was the first candidate in history, the first president
in history that used the federal use federal agencies to censor political speech or sensor
as opponent. Now I disagree slightly because Eugene debs And was in prison for
being an anti World War One activist. He was a socialist during the Wilson
But since then I think that this is a true statement and much as I
don't like Donald Trump must be mentioned every show, I think Joe Biden is
a far bigger threat to democracy because a lot of the stuff I don't like
that Trump does is kind of his personal is a personal Trump centric kind of
effort, where what Biden does, I think is undermining the constitutional order in
just dozens of ways that are forever damaging to this country, while using Trump
as the excuse to do it. So, you know, I'd be happy
to go through what I think about that, But what do you think about
that comment? So? I thought it actually showed bravery. And I know
we're not talking about real bravery when you're talking about being on TV and saying
things. But to go on CNN and speak simple truth about Joe Biden's assault
on the First Amendment in a very hostile environment where you're trying to kind of
get support from that media outlet, that just I was really impressed with that,
and it made me. You know, I disagree with RFK Junior on
so many things, but I do like his willingness to push back against some
false narratives. Yeah, yeah, I agree with you on RFK. I
don't know I was going to say he's an old style I think he's a
kook in many ways, but he's an old style liberal, much like JK.
Rowling is that her name, JK Rowlings is an old style liberal.
But the truth is that RFK one time said that that climate denier should be
in prisons. Yeah, it's actually sure, but whatever is, he's correctly,
he's correct about the censorship. But I'm sorry to interrupt. Go on,
Well, two things. One, I remember when I watched his Super
Bowl ad. I thought it wasn't great, but almost everybody else I talked
to thought it was super great. And I keep remembering it, and there
is this like throwback to like, oh yeah, remember when liberals actually were
liberal. That was fun, that was good, and they they were like
more sensible and all that. But it makes me insane or feel insane when
I watch people talk about how Donald Trump is a threat to democracy while the
current regime and administration are literally attempting to imprison their top political opponent and hundreds,
if not thousands of his supporters. And I don't just mean by that
people who were just like a tiny fraction of the overall rioters of the twenty
twenty twenty twenty one season the pro lifers who are engaged in political protest,
the parents at school board meetings like they are on an absolute jihad against their
political opponents. They are engaged in such widespread censorship and support the censorship industrial
complex that it is utterly destroying the First Amendment. And so to hear these
people be like, Donald Trump's a threat to democracy because he did something we
always do, which is question election results and refuse to say that, you
you know, accept them every time you're on TV. It makes me feel
crazy. Yeah, questioning an election is not an assault on democracy. I
mean, the first thing we should mention is that when they say democracy,
they're not even talking about the constitutional order. They're just talking about whatever it
is that they care about policy wise, and perhaps the twenty twenty election,
but not the twenty sixteen, and not to twenty two thousand election or the
two thousand and four election or whatever. I just want to say, yeah,
they so, all these people deny the veracity of elections all the time,
But you can't steal an election in this country if you have strong institutions,
like a real Supreme Court. But what do they do? They want
to destroy the Supreme Court when the Supreme Court stopped al Gore from stealing an
election. You know what did they do? They smeared the Supreme Court.
What did they do now? They smear and delegitimize, delegitimize the Supreme Court.
They're attacking institutions of governance, whereas I don't Donald Trump built the Supreme
Court. I mean, he helped build it, and it is one of
the few institutions that still upholds the Constitution. Not perfectly but mind you,
but still better than most. I just don't even understand the argument. I
don't even understand the argument because it's fraudulent and the lawfair. I think that's
why I wanted to say, so, Yeah, I get upset that Donald
Trump has to deal with stuff, but you know, deal with law fair.
It's wrong, but at least he's Donald Trump. He has the means
to fight back. How about the Catholic people who are standing in front of
the abortion clinic or whoever it was, I'm not sure actually if they were
Catholic but protesting, or the people who wanted to protest school boards. They
don't you know, that is just a complete assault on actual democratic institutions and
democrats see and they've been doing it since the beginning anyway. It's just it's
frustrating. I don't hold on. It's like Donald Trump can Donald Trump can
handle it. He's a billionaire. I mean, these fines, whether they
are the eighty eight million dollars for the made up claim of an assault by
that fifty five year old woman at the time what is her name, e
Jene Carroll, or it seems to a lot of people I should say that
it was not completely accurate, or the four hundred and fifty million dollar fine
for repaying a loan with interest, where everybody was happy, like that's not
nothing. I don't care if you're a billionaire, like that's that is nothing.
Yeah, there's Eighth Amendment problems here. I think taxation is stuff.
So yeah, I think all of that's But the thing is, I'm just
saying that at least he has, you know, half the country behind him.
Whatever. I'm just saying that that the law fair we always have to
remember, is also directed at every day people who are protesting COVID restrictions,
who are protesting you know, uh, the identitarian agendas and schools who were
you know that, people who are smeared and destroyed, who don't have anyone,
you know, or a lot of people behind them, And and I
just want to remind people that law fair is not just about Trump. It's
about a lot of other people whose names you don't know, and you know,
it's just it's evil, it's nefarious, it's a way to run government,
and people celebrate it on the on the left. That's my biggest problem
is that they cheer on all these attacks on actual constitutional order and using Donald
Trump as an excuse to do it. And I am of the belief that
if Ron DeSantis had won the primary, they would be doing very not the
exact same things, but they would be abusing these agencies to go after him
as well. And RFK was right that the that these that the that the
White House worked with big corporations who run our you know, our communication platforms,
let the I R s, let the FBI, let other you know,
the Justice Department dictates speech patterns and censor people, which is in my
mind a form of fascism. That's exactly what fascism is. And tech companies
are very they're big, they're rent seeking, the care about government regulation.
They will do what the government tells them. This is why the government should
not be involved in speech on any level. And I think the Supreme Court
is going to go the wrong way on this from what I've saw in oral
arguments. But I just cannot understand how we can it completely skirts the meat
the the spirit of the of the First Amendment. The first thing that the
founders thought to write down basically is a special you know, as a right,
and I think that's that's going to be a big mistake. But anyway,
it's my rant on that, and I do respect RFK for saying that
stuff, even though I think he's kind of a kook. So let me
ask you, actually, since we're talking about RFK, do you think he
hurts Democrats a lot? Do you think he maybe hurts Trump? I mean,
I've heard a lot of sort of people you know, who are I
would say, on the right kind of pop maybe far populous, right,
whatever you want to say, who are pretty big fans of RFK. I
just wonder, like where those votes are coming from. Okay, So I
think there were a lot of people who are super upset with how Trump handled
the COVID response, and they that is one reason why they really supported Ron
DeSantis because they thought he did a better job. Yeah, he had some
like early lockdown, but was able to resist it much better than Trump was
and came out of it, you know, much more quickly. I think
those are slightly different situations. I also am extremely disappointed with how Trump handled
you know, some of that, but I think the pressures that were on
him were like almost unbelievable. Like if he had done more to open things
up, I firmly believe he would have been impeached within a moment. But
more than that, I think the percentage of people who are with me on
hating COVID and the vaccine, like not that Trump did vaccine mandates, but
like you know, some of that stuff, they're a pretty small percentage of
the population overall, and you know that because of how Ron DeSantis did in
the primary. But I think they're real and I think they're still out there.
And I think that Trump actually has to be really careful how he talks
about things, and he'll probably figure that out when he's speaking in front of
large crowds how they respond to him, wanting to take credit for any of
the COVID responds. But I don't think those people are as I don't know
what I'm trying to say is Democrats clearly believe that RFK Junior is a threat
to their party. And you know this because they're working so hard to keep
him off the ballot, to delegitimize him. You know the moment he said
that yesterday, everyone in the corporate media, which is of course just all
Democrats, they were freaking out that he spoke any level of truth on CNN,
which is a media outlet that's very unused to hearing any truth. And
they clearly view him as a weakening force for Biden, not Trump. Likewise,
the Republicans don't seem so worried about him. They're not worried about putting
him on the ballot. Democrats are engaged in a great deal of lawfare to
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or wherever you get your podcasts. I think there are a lot of myths
people believe about third party candidates in the past. I don't know what's going
to happen with RFK, but I think Perroh was the only one that really
affected an election really in a big way. A lot of third party voters
are disaffected people who wouldn't probably vote for major parties in general anyway. So
I don't know. I don't know how it's going to shake out. I
have to take yeah, yes, no, no good. Different states have
different issues. So Hillary Clinton very much believed that the Green Party caused her
loss. She was not without a case there in that two states that she
lost were Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, which are two of the biggest Green Party friendly
states out there in terms of like you can get like tens of thousands of
votes for Green Party in Pennsylvania and so that's also why in twenty twenty Democrats
worked so hard to suppress any third party the people from being allowed on the
ballot. I actually tell the story and rigged about what was done. Like
Kanye West was running in Wisconsin, and they claimed that he came in literally
like thirteen seconds too late to register, which you know you had to be
before you to be by five o'clock and the end of the five o'clock dot
zero zero, and he was at like five you know, dot dot zero
zero dot thirteen seconds, so he was too late. And then they did
all sorts of lawfare to keep the Green Party off in Pennsylvania in really legally
suspicious ways. And so it doesn't matter in Virginia maybe, or it doesn't
matter in Illinois, but it doesn't matter in Wisconsin. In Pennsylvania, I
said, certainly better not to have them around for major parties, that's for
sure. It's just I remember hearing like X number of people voted for Libertarians
in Florida and the Republican loss by X number, Like it doesn't work that
way. A lot of these libertarians hate Republicans, a lot of these Green
Party people hate in corporate Democrats. You know, I'm just saying it's more,
it's it's more complicated. Quickly, one last thing, I just want
to go back on the on Trump and how he handled COVID, which I
don't think was great, but in weirdly I don't think was as bad as
a lot of other kind of people. I mean, I think his vaccine
push was actually a good thing. The bad part of the vaccine thing is
mandates, you know, when the government gets together with corporations and forces people
to do things. But I don't think there was anything wrong with trying to
help, you know, not cure, but to mitigate, you know,
what was going on, which was horrible, you know, and a lot
of the spread spurred on authoritarian state action. So I didn't really have a
huge problem with Trump in vaccines. I'm not against vacciness just to force people
to take them, you know. I mean there's a there's a difference there,
at least from you know, how I see it. So, Okay,
that's enough for politics, right, Let's get to a more let's get
to a more depressing a topic. So what was going on with you last
week? Well, it was our Holy week, which was beautiful, So
that's a lot of church services. Unfortunately, my cousin, Garth died on
Thursday. He is my same age and which is forty nine, and he
would have been fifty on April second. And he had a very long and
difficult battle with suing What is it, No, I forget what it's called
Ewing's sarcoma. Yes, sorry, and it's a horrible type of cancer that
he went through twice and this time it killed him. But he was just
like a one of a kind cousin. I only have two first cousins on
that side of the family, and he was really close to my brother,
so almost like a brother, and just so fun and fun loving and very
athletically talented. He picked up lacrosse in his senior year of high school and
ended up, you know, playing very very well at the college level.
And he was just fun and a great father to his two daughters, who
were the same age as mine. It's just been really hard. I love
his parents, his sister, his wife, his kids. So sorry,
that's a little depressing, but yeah, it sounds like you brought a lot
of joy to people's lives who were around him, So that's a nice way
to be remembered, for sure. I also spent last week at a I
went to a funeral. My mother in law passed away, wonderful woman.
She was eighty seven. I went down to South Carolina, not to make
light of anything, but I find the South really weird in a whole other
country, I know. I was saying, how I go into stores and
buy something and the woman would call me sweetheart and baby and love that.
I love it. I think, I don't think I I don't like it,
like I don't even know you, but very friendly and it was nice.
And then I went back up to New York where I grew up for
her funeral, and it was it's always nice to see family and people you
haven't seen for a long time. It's you know, it's tough, but
it's part of life, right. And it was also a Holy week,
so you know, everyone was busy with that, and you know up there,
especially a lot of Catholic people. But it was nice. Yeah,
I mean, it's nice to you know. I think that's far less tragic
than the situation you were talking about with your cousin. I forty nine is
very young. Yeah. Well, I was talking to my aunt, my
cousin, Garth's mom, and she lost her mom when she was young,
and I was saying, just how badly I feel for his girls because they're
teenagers, and she said, yeah, it's just a pain that never leaves.
You just carry it with you for the rest of your life. And
she's had a very happy, wonderful life, but you know, she doesn't
have her mom. And even if you are not a teenager, when you
lose a parent, I think it's got to be one of the most difficult
things. I talk to my parents every day. I love them so much,
like there's such big influences on me, and I dread if I should
ever be without them. I mean not that I hope it happens soon,
but that's the way it works, and it is horrible to deal with.
I have not dealt with it. I don't look forward to it either.
I can't. Even the thought of losing my pup drives me into depression.
So I don't know how I'm going to deal with anything. Really. Yeah,
and that dog is old. My dog is old. How about we
change topics from this and talk about something that I only learned about, I
think yesterday or two days ago, that there's some kind of solar eclipse coming
to the United States. Are you excited about this and what is it all
about. I don't know really about eclipses, but my brother saw the last
one that went across the United States back in like I don't know what it
was, twenty seventeen or something, and he keeps saying like, I don't
want to be hyperbolic, but it was the greatest moment of my life.
I'd be like, I don't you know. I just don't want to exaggerator
set expectations too high, but my life forever changed once I experienced this.
So he's kind of joking, but also it was clear that it had an
effect and this will be the last. I think this will be the last
eclipse in the United States for like twenty years. And so because he had
liked it so much, I was like, maybe I'll just try to see
it. So originally I was thinking I would go to Toledo because it kind
of the path is from Mexico, I think, to Maine. I can't
remember exactly what I can give you the path, it's Dallas, than Little
Rock, then Indianapolis, Buffalo, Montreal. Those are the best cities to
be in. That's like the main path. According to NASA. Okay,
So we were going to go to Toledo, which was also in or near
the path of totality. But I was a little worried that in April,
I think it's April eighth is the day it's happening, that it will be
too cloudy. So I thought, even though it'll probably be cloudy where I'm
going, that the best odds were like as far south as you could get.
So we are going to Austin to see it. And it works out
well, yeah, yeah, So we I'm going to be the mistress and
the Madam of ceremonies at a Claremont dinner. What do you call it?
I don't sounds sounds na. What is happening? Well, Claremont, the
Claremont Institute is having a big gala out in LA and Mark Levin is speaking,
and I'll be yeah, whatever. So I'll be out there Friday and
Saturday, and then on Sunday we fly to Austin. So we're just kind
of like coming back through Austin and we have some of our best friends live
there and who are just awesome people, and so we're going to drive and
go to a ranch that's more in the path of totality than an Austin is
and so it gets you like maximum time, and I'm really excited. I'm
really looking forward to it. I did not think you would be that like
when I asked, I thought it was just going to be a throwaway.
But you were literally flying in the into the path of this thing to see
it. So that's that's exciting. I do want to say. Apparently it's
going to be a big deal because when I when I was arranging my travel
to do this, we cannot get out of Austin until Wednesday. So like
the eclipse happens middle of the day on Monday. But did you know that
Indiana declared a state of emergency because so many people are coming into the state
to see this thing. I'm not even joking. That's great. So but
we can't we couldn't get out. I mean like, unless you're a billionaire,
you can't get a flight out until Wednesday. So then I just told
you my cousin Garth died and his funeral is in Denver next Friday. So
I was like, you know what, why don't I just go straight from
Austin to Denver on Wednesday? And the tickets are like sixteen hundred dollars and
there's like no escaping it. It's just it's just awful to have to fly
back to DC and then the next morning fly back to Denver. Oh that
was boring travel story. But I'm just saying, like a lot of people
must be going. How the Austin to Denver drives probably like twenty hours or
something. I looked into it, actually, and it's I think it's like
fourteen hours. That's not terrible, but that is a it's a all Should
I have done that? Well, I don't know, because you're flying the
two hours before, et cetera, et cetera. It takes a pretty long
time. But I don't know. I don't want to make you know what
you're doing with the travel plans. I'm sure. How about a bus,
they're probably a buses from aust Like. The buses are pretty nice. I
hear your ideas sound very bad for me the same ice. I need it
through the desert. I need to deal with some stuff at home anyway,
so it'll be Yeah, it'll be a few hours of quite efficient work.
I would say it is a probably weird thing that we're talking about for the
audience. Well, sometimes we forget we're on there won't be there won't be
an a clipse for twenty years. So I think that's why it's such a
big deal that I just checked to see how old I would be for the
next clips, and there's a chance I'll be around like continue exercising. This
does remind me. I was talking to a friend who was I think he
sent he sent me an email. He might have sent you an email to
complaining that when we talk about culture, we don't talk exclusively about classical music.
Yes, something about that. That's the guy who was complaining that we
talk about weird music. I don't even think we talk about weird music.
Last episode I talked about Neil Young. I mean, he's like a pretty
famous dude. My friend who's you know, has like eighteen languages and is
incredibly well educated. He would be appalled by any discussion of Neil Young because
it's not bach basically not that it's a back. I don't want to be
yelled at. Oh wow, you just let him win the argument. Now.
That is an indefensible position, David, That is an completely indefensible He
might be like the best human who ever lived in terms of his talent,
I actually picked him. We had a game we were playing this weekend where
we were talking about, like if there was only one album you could listen
to for the rest of your life, or only one genre or only one
artist, And I picked back because I think you can plumb the depths with
him so well, and there's such variety, and he had so prolific and
it's not just the music, it's the lyrics as well. Are there any
artists in the world who have ever lived that you respect deeply but you don't
particularly enjoy listening, reading, watching their movies? I mean, that's it's
possible to take that position correct. Yeah, I kind of feel that way
about Like I don't get angry that other people like Bruce Springsteen, it just
doesn't do anything for me. My lord, he's the worst. He is
the worst. I can't believe that's the name you came up with. He's
like the world clearly, Oh my gosh, people like stuff because most people
like garbage. Why do you think Taylor Swift is famous or whatever? She
was? At least she's not great, but she's not bad. She's actually
quite listenable and you can, you know, combined, do you say that
the majority of top ten songs and music is usually just kind of like rehashed
garbage. I think we can agrees. Anyway, let's talk about Bach is
obviously incredibly talented. It's just not down my street, you know. So
I like Shashtkovich and darker Russian stuff, you know, stuff like that,
and it's completely legitimate for me to like it. I like classical music,
I just don't. Yeah, I get it. I don't want to be
yelled at it. And we were allowed to listen to rock music. We're
gen xers. Have you listened to any of Bach's passions. I don't know,
probably yes. I actually went two weeks ago to an organ concert at
like one of those giant hype organ things, you know, at a church,
and I listened to a guy from Harvard who teaches their organs or whatever,
and he's my favorite. I love that instrument so much. And Interstellar
had this great soundtrack that was basically organ and it worked, and Christopher Nolan
said he picked it because like the organs work, you know about trapping air,
you know, moving air through pipes and stuff, and so it was
like actually picked for how it related to the lack of oxygen. The sound
is otherworldly, right, it's so big and like, you know, s
king of instruments exactly. So that was fun to watch. But it's not
like I'm not a big like I wouldn't just buy, you know, vinyl
of someone playing organ. It's just not something that you know, I enjoy,
but I can respect it and all that I don't. I don't appreciate
being attacked. Well, I'm just like, really a that because now my
friend basically won the argument through I don't see how, but anyway, I'm
not you know, I'm not here. That's so to modify your friends,
your your elitist friends and their classical music. I mean. He was also
telling me that like all his friends hate me and that they're you know,
like he's he's I guess, super establishment y, you know, DC type.
But I was like, that's a nice thing to hear. You don't
care, though, honestly, and that's the truth a little more nasl gaving
because you can't really care and do this mm hmm. Or if you do
care, you're not going to be good at it. No, I kind
of care, but like in the way you shouldn't, which is I kind
of like it, Like I think there's a point of pride by being disliked
by the right people, oh one hundred percent. I used to see reporters
and they would be kind of nervous that people wouldn't like them. And I'm
like, this guy's not going to be good at this, But maybe he
is. Maybe he's running NBC now, I don't know. I should look
into it. Anyway, that was a discussion I look forward. So next
week is the eclipse, so I look forward to hearing about that. So
I'm big lovers of freedom and anxious feel for