WEBVTT 1 00:00:10.199 --> 00:00:14.199 Hello, and welcome to Psychic Teachers. I'm your host Samantha Faye, and 2 00:00:14.279 --> 00:00:19.559 I'm Gab Bowen, and today we're going to be discussing an ancient belief that 3 00:00:19.679 --> 00:00:24.120 almost every religion and culture believed in at one point. It's called the binary 4 00:00:24.280 --> 00:00:29.760 soul doctrine. Now, Lifetime listeners know me and know that I have kind 5 00:00:29.760 --> 00:00:36.159 of a strange choice in my pleasure reading selections, and so I've been reading 6 00:00:36.159 --> 00:00:40.759 this book by Peter Novak called The Last Secret of Death, Our Divided Souls 7 00:00:40.799 --> 00:00:44.679 in the Afterlife, and it's kind of been blowing my mind. So I 8 00:00:44.759 --> 00:00:47.439 called deb and we talked about it, and we thought it would make a 9 00:00:47.479 --> 00:00:53.079 pretty interesting discussion for today's show. Do you still agree, tob after looking 10 00:00:53.079 --> 00:00:59.600 at my notes? Interesting is the minimum word I would choose, getting ready 11 00:00:59.640 --> 00:01:06.519 to do a yes, Absolutely, I agree. Okay, Well, let's 12 00:01:06.560 --> 00:01:11.680 start with the basics. What is the binary soul doctrine. Well, thousands 13 00:01:11.719 --> 00:01:15.400 of years ago, people believe that we had two souls, two parts of 14 00:01:15.480 --> 00:01:21.359 us inside of us, existing and cohabitating inside of our bodies. It's similar 15 00:01:21.400 --> 00:01:25.599 to our left brain, right brain, and unconscious conscious self. Basically, 16 00:01:25.599 --> 00:01:30.519 the binary soul doctrine looks like this, we have two very different aspects of 17 00:01:30.599 --> 00:01:34.079 us trying to live peacefully together. Upon death, one part of our soul 18 00:01:34.159 --> 00:01:38.400 would either ascend to the heavens or reincarnate, while the other would be trapped 19 00:01:38.400 --> 00:01:46.200 in another world. Most historians agree that this belief predates all civilizations. So 20 00:01:46.239 --> 00:01:49.400 what does it mean, why was it hidden or removed from religious text and 21 00:01:49.480 --> 00:01:55.480 teachings, and what can it tell us about our soul growth and purpose today? 22 00:01:56.599 --> 00:02:00.640 So first, let's dive into how all the different cultures around world looked 23 00:02:00.680 --> 00:02:05.159 at this concept of a binary soul. The Greeks called these two souls the 24 00:02:05.200 --> 00:02:09.800 psyche and the Thumos. Egyptians called them the ba and the car Israelites referred 25 00:02:09.800 --> 00:02:15.120 to them as the ru Wok and Nephish. In India they called the two 26 00:02:15.120 --> 00:02:19.639 parts of the soul the Atman and the Jiva. The Chinese referred to the 27 00:02:19.719 --> 00:02:25.560 hunt and poe Haitians called the souls gru Bonange and t Bonange. Hawaiian style 28 00:02:25.599 --> 00:02:32.000 that the soul was comprised of the huana and the Una hippoly. The Dakotas 29 00:02:32.039 --> 00:02:38.000 had the nagi and the niya wait is it the Dakotas of the lakotas well. 30 00:02:38.039 --> 00:02:42.719 You know, I'm not quite sure where where you got your information with 31 00:02:42.800 --> 00:02:47.000 this book you've read. There is a nuance of differences between the languages of 32 00:02:47.039 --> 00:02:52.639 the Duck code of people and the luck Coode of people, and so it's 33 00:02:52.919 --> 00:02:55.159 an interesting difference. But let's go with where you are right now, and 34 00:02:55.400 --> 00:02:59.680 at some point later I'll come back and talk about that. How about that? 35 00:03:00.120 --> 00:03:04.759 Okay. All these cultures described the two parts, or the two souls, 36 00:03:04.879 --> 00:03:08.639 as having different qualities. One is analytical and objective, while the other 37 00:03:08.840 --> 00:03:13.919 is inspired and creative. So again, it's very much like the right brain, 38 00:03:14.039 --> 00:03:17.240 left brain, or the unconscious and conscious. The Egyptians said that the 39 00:03:17.360 --> 00:03:23.639 universe began when twins emerged from the womb of space. They called Egypt two 40 00:03:23.800 --> 00:03:28.960 lands and referred to the world as dual realities. They said the Egyptian gods 41 00:03:29.000 --> 00:03:32.199 lived in the Lake of double Fire, and after death, judgment took place 42 00:03:32.240 --> 00:03:36.919 in the Hall of double Truth. Upon death, it was hoped that the 43 00:03:37.000 --> 00:03:42.639 Ba and Ka could unite to create the unified Aku. This third soul only 44 00:03:42.719 --> 00:03:46.599 exists if the Ba and Ka can unite, so it's not actually a third 45 00:03:46.599 --> 00:03:50.919 soul or a third aspect of us, but rather the promise of eternal life 46 00:03:50.919 --> 00:03:57.120 and true happiness if we can unite these different aspects of ourselves. So let 47 00:03:57.120 --> 00:03:59.439 me pause there for a second. Deb Are you with me so far? 48 00:04:00.919 --> 00:04:05.199 I'm trying, Samantha, I really am. Yeah. When we were talking 49 00:04:05.240 --> 00:04:08.840 about doing this, it sounded like a great idea, and then Samantha did 50 00:04:08.879 --> 00:04:12.759 all this research and put this together, and my eyes glazed over. And 51 00:04:13.159 --> 00:04:15.079 I think part of it is because, yes, of course, much of 52 00:04:15.120 --> 00:04:21.079 the language that she's using here is very new to me. I've never heard 53 00:04:21.160 --> 00:04:26.160 of some of this terminology. And then we get into bos and cause and 54 00:04:26.160 --> 00:04:30.040 our cous and that's just difficult for me. However, I think, and 55 00:04:30.160 --> 00:04:34.319 you tell me if I'm on the right track here in conceptualizing this, Samantha, 56 00:04:34.600 --> 00:04:43.000 it's the idea that we have this internal duality conceptualized here is two souls 57 00:04:43.120 --> 00:04:47.040 or right brain, left brain, or conscious and unconscious mind, and that 58 00:04:47.079 --> 00:04:54.519 the goal in most of these cultures is to in some way integrate and bring 59 00:04:54.600 --> 00:05:00.319 together that duality into one spiritual entity. Am I correct with you there? 60 00:05:00.879 --> 00:05:04.759 Yes? And that that really is our purpose here on earth, is to 61 00:05:04.920 --> 00:05:10.079 unite them while we're here and if you think about it, doesn't it make 62 00:05:10.120 --> 00:05:13.920 a lot of sense? Because how often do you feel as though there are 63 00:05:14.199 --> 00:05:17.639 this what's the famous story of the two wolves that the grandfather tells to his 64 00:05:17.759 --> 00:05:21.240 grandson and they're battling it out. He says that each of us has two 65 00:05:21.240 --> 00:05:25.560 wolves living in our soul. I mean, you just see this this concept 66 00:05:25.560 --> 00:05:29.399 again and again and again. Now. Peter Novak, in his book The 67 00:05:29.480 --> 00:05:33.600 Division of Consciousness, explains that the ba is our conscious self and the CoA 68 00:05:34.040 --> 00:05:40.480 is our unconscious self. He says, like the unconscious, the CoA was 69 00:05:40.519 --> 00:05:45.319 thought to be able to work in secret without its owner's knowledge, even able 70 00:05:45.360 --> 00:05:49.240 to deceive or betray its owner. Like the unconscious, the cow could either 71 00:05:49.279 --> 00:05:54.439 work for or against its owner. The Ba is always with us and for 72 00:05:54.680 --> 00:05:58.959 us, but the cow it's a free agent. Egyptians also believe that the 73 00:05:59.600 --> 00:06:03.560 leaves us each night when we sleep, to travel on its own, which 74 00:06:03.639 --> 00:06:09.720 kind of supports my whole belief and soul travel right right, Think about there. 75 00:06:09.839 --> 00:06:13.560 The story of Osiris. Osiris was divided into pieces when he died, 76 00:06:13.839 --> 00:06:17.360 but when those pieces were brought together and restored, he lived again as a 77 00:06:17.439 --> 00:06:23.560 divine and eternal being. Now what happens if this union doesn't take place? 78 00:06:23.800 --> 00:06:27.360 Well, Novac tells us that if the BA and Cod did not reunite, 79 00:06:27.639 --> 00:06:30.439 then the ball was thought to flit away freely and without concern, to heaven, 80 00:06:30.800 --> 00:06:35.240 where it would still enjoy unlimited freedom and happiness, doing and going where 81 00:06:35.240 --> 00:06:41.199 it pleased, and conversing with other Babs in heaven. Meanwhile, the ghostly 82 00:06:41.199 --> 00:06:46.360 appearing co would remain behind, trapped in a feeble minded, cold, hungry, 83 00:06:46.519 --> 00:06:49.319 needy, and vulnerable state in the tomb. The call was thought to 84 00:06:49.360 --> 00:06:56.079 have many regular and pressing requirements after death, but without the animating mobility it 85 00:06:56.199 --> 00:07:01.240 received from the intelligent BA, its needs went unmet and it would eventually disintegrate. 86 00:07:01.839 --> 00:07:05.399 Now that blew my mind death, because I thought, what if this 87 00:07:05.480 --> 00:07:10.560 is why we don't see reports of ghosts from like the eighth century, Like 88 00:07:10.600 --> 00:07:14.360 you never see Oh you know, I was in Amsterdam and I saw an 89 00:07:14.360 --> 00:07:17.279 eighth century Viking walking down the street, or spirits from the Black Death of 90 00:07:17.319 --> 00:07:24.240 the fourteenth century wandering around the Tower of London. Did their cough finally disintegrate? 91 00:07:24.480 --> 00:07:28.680 I mean, could this explain ghost It could? I mean, you're 92 00:07:28.680 --> 00:07:31.040 absolutely right, I mean I don't remember the last time I met a ghost 93 00:07:31.120 --> 00:07:35.480 from the sixth century, right, you know what I mean? And maybe 94 00:07:35.519 --> 00:07:41.399 this is why people who have encountered ghost Haven't you ever noticed? Ghosts don't 95 00:07:41.439 --> 00:07:45.439 seem to have a whole lot of personality, or a whole lot of common 96 00:07:45.480 --> 00:07:50.079 sense, or any really valuable information to impart. They're either doing the same 97 00:07:50.120 --> 00:07:55.040 thing over and over, like walking up the stairs, or they're just kind 98 00:07:55.040 --> 00:07:59.600 of hanging around in a basement like a zombie. Maybe it's because it's there 99 00:08:00.160 --> 00:08:05.680 their inactive, feeble part of their soul that has remained here. Okay, 100 00:08:05.720 --> 00:08:09.120 I need to ask a question here while we're in Egypt, because I know 101 00:08:09.160 --> 00:08:11.720 you're getting ready here in a minute to move to other theories in other countries 102 00:08:13.199 --> 00:08:18.040 while we're in Egypt. It am I not correct? In that lovely symbol 103 00:08:18.079 --> 00:08:24.040 and metaphor of what happens when we die in Egyptian mythology is that our heart 104 00:08:24.160 --> 00:08:28.279 needs to be as light as a feather. Yes, and we weighed on 105 00:08:28.319 --> 00:08:33.600 those scales right as we into the afterlife. Did he mention any of that 106 00:08:33.840 --> 00:08:37.080 in his writing and how that plays into this theory? Yes? And I 107 00:08:37.120 --> 00:08:43.039 think it's about that light as a feather happens when you're able to integrate these 108 00:08:43.080 --> 00:08:48.559 two aspects of yourself into one, then you are truly light as a feather 109 00:08:48.200 --> 00:08:52.000 because you're not weighed down by the conscious and you're not ruled by the unconscious. 110 00:08:52.799 --> 00:08:56.559 And does that happen just at death or does it happen later? How 111 00:08:56.559 --> 00:09:01.519 does That's a little fuzzy to be honest, Maybe you stated it and it 112 00:09:01.559 --> 00:09:07.720 went over my head. But from what I read and interpreted, it seems 113 00:09:07.799 --> 00:09:11.120 like it's the goal of our soul to do that here on earth, but 114 00:09:11.240 --> 00:09:16.240 that very few of us can or have done it. But upon death there's 115 00:09:16.320 --> 00:09:20.600 this. Now this is interesting too. There is a three day period where 116 00:09:20.960 --> 00:09:26.679 these two aspects of our soul are together three days after we die, and 117 00:09:26.720 --> 00:09:33.320 then they separate. And how many people have read and channeled and talked about 118 00:09:33.480 --> 00:09:37.519 all we had Mariamnkowski on She says that too. I've heard that in so 119 00:09:37.600 --> 00:09:41.720 many readings I've done, that you've three days before you have to go into 120 00:09:41.759 --> 00:09:43.879 the light. How many times have we talked about that on the show, 121 00:09:43.480 --> 00:09:48.679 well, a zillion times. And if you just look at the basic tradition 122 00:09:48.879 --> 00:09:52.679 of funeralizing, at least in this country, for the most part, except 123 00:09:52.679 --> 00:09:56.799 in the Jewish faith. I believe there's that three day period. You know, 124 00:09:58.039 --> 00:10:03.080 we're in Christianity, particularly where where there's a weight between the death and 125 00:10:03.120 --> 00:10:07.000 the time of burial. M Here we have this being repeated from thousands of 126 00:10:07.080 --> 00:10:13.679 years ago. I just find that fascinating too. Dao is taught that the 127 00:10:13.720 --> 00:10:16.840 soul is comprised of the yin and yang. At birth, these two parts 128 00:10:16.840 --> 00:10:20.759 come together and work as a whole until death. The yang soul is active, 129 00:10:20.840 --> 00:10:26.399 aware, masculine, driven, and dominant. The yin part is impressionable, 130 00:10:26.600 --> 00:10:31.519 sensitive, feminine, informed by the person's environment. At death, the 131 00:10:31.679 --> 00:10:35.679 yang soul returns to heaven, while the yin soul is imprisoned in a sad 132 00:10:35.759 --> 00:10:41.519 afterworld. The yang soul can stay in heaven or reincarnate the inc Wait wait 133 00:10:41.559 --> 00:10:45.200 wait, wait wait wait, I'm sorry, I gotta wait, I gotta 134 00:10:45.240 --> 00:10:50.639 process this. Dallas Um says that the feminine aspect of us doesn't get together 135 00:10:50.639 --> 00:10:56.360 to heaven. It's imprisoned. Apparently so, according to Novak's research, that's 136 00:10:56.399 --> 00:11:01.120 what ancient dio is believed. Okay, all right, let's leave in his 137 00:11:01.200 --> 00:11:05.360 research then, Okay, moving on. I'm sorry. The incas also believed 138 00:11:05.399 --> 00:11:09.960 in this duality. Even their main god, Vera Chocha, was depicted as 139 00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:15.639 an androgynous being symbolized as a two headed serpent. They believed in a hann 140 00:11:15.720 --> 00:11:18.759 soul which was masculine, evolved and intelligent, and a her and soul, 141 00:11:18.879 --> 00:11:24.120 which was feminine, inferior and subjective. After death, the han and soul 142 00:11:24.120 --> 00:11:28.039 as sends to heaven while the hero and soul remains with the body. They 143 00:11:28.039 --> 00:11:31.000 believed it was our purpose, the goal of our soul, to integrate these 144 00:11:31.039 --> 00:11:39.360 two sides while on earth. So again we have this feminine masculine aspect being 145 00:11:39.360 --> 00:11:43.279 repeated again and again in different cultures. Now, going back to the Egyptians, 146 00:11:43.360 --> 00:11:48.279 they said that the cod needed to be fed by the Ba without the 147 00:11:48.399 --> 00:11:52.639 Ba, which remember is in heaven. After death, the ka eventually dies 148 00:11:52.840 --> 00:11:56.120 and they called this the second death. The Daoist also said this would happen 149 00:11:56.159 --> 00:12:00.600 with the yin soul, and even the Toltecs taught that the her and soul 150 00:12:00.639 --> 00:12:03.600 would also disintegrate after death. Now, the Greek said, we had a 151 00:12:03.679 --> 00:12:09.320 psyche and thumos. The thumos is our emotions, feelings, urges, needs 152 00:12:09.320 --> 00:12:13.399 and wants. The psyche is our spark of life. It is free and 153 00:12:13.480 --> 00:12:16.759 immortal. If it leaves the body we die. After death, the psyche 154 00:12:16.799 --> 00:12:22.399 goes on, while the thumos descends to Haiti. The vitas of the Hindus 155 00:12:22.440 --> 00:12:26.440 taught that we are that we have an asosoul and a man and a mana's 156 00:12:26.440 --> 00:12:31.200 soul. The mannas is our feeling, subjective emotional side. That asosoul can 157 00:12:31.240 --> 00:12:37.320 reincarnate after death. Today, some modern Hindus teach about the atman and the 158 00:12:37.399 --> 00:12:41.600 juva. The juva disintegrates after death. The atman, often called the inner 159 00:12:41.639 --> 00:12:46.159 witness, is the eternal part. All of these religions teach that both parts 160 00:12:46.279 --> 00:12:50.279 need each other. The eternal part needs the earthly part to give it form, 161 00:12:50.399 --> 00:12:54.919 definition and boundaries so that we'll know where we begin and end. The 162 00:12:54.039 --> 00:13:00.519 earthly or mortal part needs the eternal part for life energy intelligence. Okay, 163 00:13:00.559 --> 00:13:03.360 I need a question here, so am I interpreting this correctly? That what 164 00:13:03.399 --> 00:13:09.399 you've just said is that while we are here on earth, we need these 165 00:13:09.440 --> 00:13:13.519 two parts of ourselves. Yes, and in a hope that they integrate. 166 00:13:13.960 --> 00:13:18.399 But after we die, part of it just goes away and we're done, 167 00:13:20.120 --> 00:13:24.559 yes, Okay, And then the divine spark inside of us. The psyche, 168 00:13:24.639 --> 00:13:28.000 according to the Greeks, for example, goes on and can go up 169 00:13:28.039 --> 00:13:33.279 to heaven or reincarnate. Okay, I think I'm with you now. The 170 00:13:33.360 --> 00:13:37.159 Cahunas in Hawaii taught that the huang was smart, masculine and had free will, 171 00:13:37.679 --> 00:13:43.759 but the unipoli was described as sensitive and the container of our memories. 172 00:13:43.279 --> 00:13:48.679 When or if these souls unite is called amakua. So I just again, 173 00:13:48.759 --> 00:13:52.120 I have to keep saying this. How many cultures have I mentioned now, 174 00:13:52.120 --> 00:13:56.799 how many religions and they're all teaching the same thing thousands of years ago. 175 00:13:58.159 --> 00:14:01.320 I'm not saying they're teaching that today. I'm not saying that. I'm talking 176 00:14:01.360 --> 00:14:05.799 ancient, ancient times. And it's fascinating and I think, I mean, 177 00:14:05.840 --> 00:14:11.600 we've talked so much on this show over the years about common ground among beliefs, 178 00:14:13.320 --> 00:14:18.679 and you have certainly hit on a common ground belief process with so many 179 00:14:18.720 --> 00:14:22.759 ancient cultures that I've never heard of. So this is fascinating. Okay, 180 00:14:22.799 --> 00:14:28.480 Well wait, ready for this theory Novak presents in his book The Law Secret 181 00:14:28.480 --> 00:14:33.159 of Death. He compares this to ghost and poultergeist. So he says, 182 00:14:33.240 --> 00:14:37.600 just as the car or thumos or yenzol was said to be passive and mirrors 183 00:14:37.600 --> 00:14:41.559 of the world around us. Ghosts are often seen doing mundane, repetitive tasks, 184 00:14:41.559 --> 00:14:46.799 while Poultergeist, which he compares to the active masculine part of us, 185 00:14:46.159 --> 00:14:52.799 are often depicted moving or throwing objects, but are never seen. So what 186 00:14:52.919 --> 00:14:56.720 if the Ba, for example, which has free will and can move and 187 00:14:56.759 --> 00:15:00.519 do things. And think, what if that becomes the poultergeist if it refuses 188 00:15:00.559 --> 00:15:05.200 to go up to heaven or to reincarnate, and the car becomes the passive, 189 00:15:05.559 --> 00:15:11.440 mundane ghost. Isn't that interesting? I know something to think about now. 190 00:15:13.039 --> 00:15:16.000 Zoroastrianism, they believed in a main god, Mazda, who was said 191 00:15:16.000 --> 00:15:20.919 to have created two separate and equal spirits to rule the world, spent a 192 00:15:22.039 --> 00:15:26.519 Minu and Angramnu. They also believe that we were created with twin souls, 193 00:15:26.559 --> 00:15:30.440 the Urvin and the Dana. The Irvin is our eternal, immortal part and 194 00:15:30.519 --> 00:15:33.799 has the free will to make decisions and choices. The Dana is our image 195 00:15:33.799 --> 00:15:39.399 and is developed or molded over time by our childhood environment, our words, 196 00:15:39.759 --> 00:15:45.279 actions, and our choices. It also houses our memories after death. The 197 00:15:45.440 --> 00:15:48.360 Irvin roams for three days, then it meets the Dana, who judges the 198 00:15:48.440 --> 00:15:52.759 Urvan and decides if it crosses the bridge of the Separator, which leads to 199 00:15:52.840 --> 00:15:58.720 heaven. So both halves would have to reconcile or unite before heaven can be 200 00:16:00.039 --> 00:16:04.120 achieved in this belief system. I like that, Yeah, I do too. 201 00:16:04.279 --> 00:16:07.279 I just don't like this idea of a part of us just poof, 202 00:16:07.600 --> 00:16:12.000 like I had this image of it just kind of I don't know, disintegrating 203 00:16:12.320 --> 00:16:15.679 or blowing away in the wind. In some way, I like this one 204 00:16:15.759 --> 00:16:19.639 better. Well, I mean, I don't think any of us really, 205 00:16:19.720 --> 00:16:26.799 I mean, who can sit for a long time and really contemplate our own 206 00:16:26.879 --> 00:16:32.279 mortality? It is weird, isn't it realidious, Yeah, that's probably where 207 00:16:32.440 --> 00:16:37.120 a part of that resistance I'm sensing in you is coming from. It is 208 00:16:37.120 --> 00:16:41.720 difficult. In ancient Judaism, they taught about the soul, the Nephesh, 209 00:16:41.840 --> 00:16:45.759 and the spirit the Rua. They said, the soul is active, conscious 210 00:16:45.799 --> 00:16:49.320 and able to use language. The spirit holds our idea of self, our 211 00:16:49.360 --> 00:16:55.080 personal identity. It houses our emotions, desires, passions, and memories. 212 00:16:56.519 --> 00:17:00.240 The soul is eternal and immortal, if these two come together, they're in 213 00:17:00.279 --> 00:17:04.720 harmony. We have nishama, which when translated means soul and spirit. However, 214 00:17:04.759 --> 00:17:08.319 the Kabbalah says there are five parts to us, so it does get 215 00:17:08.359 --> 00:17:14.039 confusing the words you've used. One of the words you've used in talking about 216 00:17:14.160 --> 00:17:19.799 Judaism is rua, and that's very closely related to another Hebrew word. It's 217 00:17:19.920 --> 00:17:26.559 ruash, and it means wind, it means soul, it means spirit, 218 00:17:26.119 --> 00:17:33.160 and it is also a feminine word, and it is used many times in 219 00:17:33.200 --> 00:17:37.240 the Bible, both in the Old Testament, in the Jewish books, as 220 00:17:37.279 --> 00:17:42.000 well as in the New Testament more of the more Christian books to describe the 221 00:17:42.160 --> 00:17:48.759 coming of some kind of spiritual energy that is feminine. And that word is 222 00:17:48.799 --> 00:17:56.079 often connected with the word shaniki, which is one of the names of the 223 00:17:56.160 --> 00:18:00.680 divine, feminine and Judaism. And so when you talk about that, I 224 00:18:00.799 --> 00:18:07.240 got off on a whole other wheel of thinking about what this language might be 225 00:18:07.559 --> 00:18:14.799 today, as so many folks are investigating and being connected to that notion of 226 00:18:14.920 --> 00:18:18.160 rush, which is such a powerful word. I love it. It is 227 00:18:18.200 --> 00:18:23.359 a powerful word, and it is intriguing and really illuminating to look at the 228 00:18:23.359 --> 00:18:30.279 way definitions of words changed throughout time and translations. Isn't it Well, it 229 00:18:30.319 --> 00:18:33.839 really is. If for example, recently, we just went through Pentecost, 230 00:18:34.279 --> 00:18:41.240 which commemorates fifty days after Jesus's resurrection, and in the Christian tradition today, 231 00:18:41.920 --> 00:18:48.640 that day was such a powerful day, the day of Pentecost, where the 232 00:18:48.640 --> 00:18:52.960 followers gathered and they were frightened, and they were confused, and they were 233 00:18:53.240 --> 00:18:57.440 scared, and they were hopeful. They had all this emotion, and because 234 00:18:57.720 --> 00:19:04.839 Jesus had promised to hope, and hope came on a rush of wind ruash 235 00:19:04.880 --> 00:19:08.519 in the form of what we now today call the Holy Spirit in the Christian 236 00:19:08.519 --> 00:19:15.160 tradition. Very fascinating. Let's try to make sense of this for today, 237 00:19:15.519 --> 00:19:22.599 rights for like, what does this mean for us today? Good Novak continuously 238 00:19:22.640 --> 00:19:27.200 compares us to our modern teachings unconscious and the unconscious. He writes, scientists 239 00:19:27.200 --> 00:19:32.799 have taught us that the conscious and unconscious our exact opposites. In many respects. 240 00:19:33.160 --> 00:19:37.440 The conscious is active, while the unconscious is reactive and responsive. The 241 00:19:37.480 --> 00:19:41.279 conscious seems to exercise autonomous free will, functioning under its own initiative and volition, 242 00:19:41.839 --> 00:19:48.440 while the unconscious functions automatically and instinctively. The conscious is objective while the 243 00:19:48.559 --> 00:19:53.480 unconscious is subjective, And the conscious is intellectual while the unconscious is emotional. 244 00:19:55.200 --> 00:20:00.559 So can you see how our modern viewings and teachings and scientific understanding of our 245 00:20:00.599 --> 00:20:06.519 conscious and subconscious mind directly correlates to these ancient teachings of two souls? I 246 00:20:06.640 --> 00:20:10.559 can? I do? You're right? Okay? And then this quote is 247 00:20:10.640 --> 00:20:14.200 from his other book, The Division of Consciousness. He writes, the conscious 248 00:20:14.200 --> 00:20:18.359 and unconscious are so tightly intertwined in this dance that they give the compelling illusion 249 00:20:18.440 --> 00:20:23.119 of existing and functioning as a single unit. Just as one's left and right 250 00:20:23.160 --> 00:20:29.200 eyes produce two separate and distinct visual fields that are united and integrated in one's 251 00:20:29.240 --> 00:20:33.160 mental experience into a single vision, so too, the two halves of the 252 00:20:33.200 --> 00:20:38.680 psyche are so intimately integrated together and one's mental experience that they too seem to 253 00:20:38.680 --> 00:20:42.680 be a single unit, a single experience, a single self. This illusion 254 00:20:42.720 --> 00:20:48.839 of singularity is so persuasive that it has taken our most sophisticated scientific research and 255 00:20:48.880 --> 00:20:55.200 analysis to penetrate. Each eye by itself only produces a two dimensional image, 256 00:20:55.799 --> 00:21:00.160 but when integrated, they produce a new thing that never existed before, or 257 00:21:00.559 --> 00:21:04.559 a three dimensional image. In much the same way, each of the two 258 00:21:04.599 --> 00:21:10.880 spheres of human consciousness are alone greatly limited and inadequate, but when they are 259 00:21:10.920 --> 00:21:15.319 integrated, they produce the fullness of human consciousness, a self aware individual. 260 00:21:17.440 --> 00:21:19.720 I just loved that quote dead because I never really thought of it that way. 261 00:21:19.720 --> 00:21:23.480 And I love a metaphor, and the metaphor of our left eye and 262 00:21:23.519 --> 00:21:27.759 our right eye, and how alone they only see a two dimensional image, 263 00:21:27.759 --> 00:21:33.440 but together it's a three dimensional image. That really made me go, Aha, 264 00:21:33.839 --> 00:21:37.640 that is a nice metaphor. You're absolutely right. And again, I 265 00:21:37.720 --> 00:21:44.079 love this idea of integration, whether we call it the Egyptian bay and Go 266 00:21:44.880 --> 00:21:48.319 or from other cultures, or whether we call it, as Young would say, 267 00:21:48.319 --> 00:21:52.640 the collective, the unconscious and the conscious mind. I love that idea 268 00:21:52.680 --> 00:21:57.599 of integration and the ability to both think and feel, in other words, 269 00:21:59.359 --> 00:22:03.359 to bring balance into our lives. I love that. Yeah, I do 270 00:22:03.480 --> 00:22:07.200 too. And there's a lot of hope in these ancient and new teachings, 271 00:22:07.279 --> 00:22:12.720 right because when he's describing these two aspects of ourselves, you can see the 272 00:22:12.759 --> 00:22:17.720 positive and negatives of each, right. But then you think, well, 273 00:22:18.279 --> 00:22:21.759 how can you bring those two into union? I mean, it just seems 274 00:22:21.839 --> 00:22:26.279 kind of insurmountable, right, But then I think about new habits I've formed, 275 00:22:26.480 --> 00:22:30.799 or old habits I've dropped, or old ways of thinking I've been able 276 00:22:30.839 --> 00:22:34.880 to break, or new ways of more healthy, positive thinking I've been able 277 00:22:34.920 --> 00:22:40.799 to create. Was only able to do that by working with my conscious and 278 00:22:41.240 --> 00:22:45.359 my unconscious. Right, Like, I woke up this morning and I put 279 00:22:45.359 --> 00:22:49.279 on my gym clothes, and I looked at myself and I was like, 280 00:22:49.640 --> 00:22:52.839 girl, you're not going to the gym this morning. You got to talk 281 00:22:52.839 --> 00:22:56.519 to deb I had made it a habit these last few years of that's what 282 00:22:56.640 --> 00:23:00.000 I do most mornings, And so my subconscious kind of took over in that 283 00:23:00.039 --> 00:23:04.440 moment. Now old me like back when my kids were little. Oh my 284 00:23:04.519 --> 00:23:07.960 gosh, I had to like fight myself to get to the gym. Right. 285 00:23:08.000 --> 00:23:11.920 It was like not something I ever ever wanted to do. But slowly 286 00:23:11.960 --> 00:23:17.599 over the years, I've reprogrammed my unconscious and conscious too. Nope, this 287 00:23:17.680 --> 00:23:21.160 is a part of our day now. And so this teaching gives And that's 288 00:23:21.160 --> 00:23:25.400 a very surfacy, superficial example, but it's just one that pops into my 289 00:23:25.400 --> 00:23:27.480 head today because I'm still in my gym clothes, because I will go. 290 00:23:29.000 --> 00:23:32.480 But do you know what I'm saying, Like, we can we can work 291 00:23:32.519 --> 00:23:37.799 with these two halves of ourselves, and we can, especially with awareness and 292 00:23:37.839 --> 00:23:42.200 focus and concentration and true honesty. I do think we can bring them into 293 00:23:42.319 --> 00:23:47.200 union for the important things in our life. Oh. I believe we can 294 00:23:47.279 --> 00:23:49.440 too. I believe, in fact, it's crucial that we do. I 295 00:23:49.519 --> 00:23:52.480 do too. I think it's the only thing that matters. Right well, 296 00:23:52.519 --> 00:23:57.240 I don't know about the only thing that matters. It's not the only thing 297 00:23:57.240 --> 00:24:03.160 that matters, but it's such an important thing to really have that active awareness 298 00:24:03.319 --> 00:24:07.160 of who you are, what you're doing, why you're doing it. Otherwise 299 00:24:07.160 --> 00:24:12.720 the subconscious will rule you, or your conscious will tamp down the subconscious who's 300 00:24:12.759 --> 00:24:18.440 trying so hard to have its own voice heard too. This is why balance 301 00:24:18.519 --> 00:24:21.400 is key to everything. All right, I want to talk about what the 302 00:24:21.480 --> 00:24:23.880 Christians have to say about all of this, but let's take a quick break 303 00:24:25.359 --> 00:24:29.920 and tell people what we've got coming up and give everybody's brain a chance to 304 00:24:30.640 --> 00:24:33.720 rest. Deb Do you want to tell people what you have coming up? 305 00:24:33.240 --> 00:24:37.400 I certainly do, Samantha, I am so excited. I am offering my 306 00:24:37.559 --> 00:24:42.839 Unlocking the Mysteries of t Rowe course in June, beginning on Tuesday, June 307 00:24:42.960 --> 00:24:48.400 thirteenth, and that course runs for three consecutive Tuesdays. There's an afternoon section 308 00:24:48.519 --> 00:24:52.880 and an evening section, and it's taught on zoom, so you can join 309 00:24:52.000 --> 00:24:56.559 from anywhere in the world. 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All right, So, 326 00:26:08.400 --> 00:26:15.680 until around the fourth century, Christians also apparently believed in a binary soul doctrine. 327 00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:19.880 Doctrine. Take for example, this quote from Hebrews chapter four, verse 328 00:26:19.920 --> 00:26:23.960 twelve. The Word of God is living, an active and more powerful than 329 00:26:25.000 --> 00:26:29.519 any two edged sword, and cuts so deeply it divides the soul from the 330 00:26:29.599 --> 00:26:34.559 spirit. But by the Fourth Ecumenical Counsel this was considered blasphemous, and from 331 00:26:34.599 --> 00:26:41.920 then on soul and spirit were used synonymously. Now. Novak also mentions evidence 332 00:26:41.960 --> 00:26:45.519 of an early belief in the binary soul doctrine from the Gnostic Gospels, which, 333 00:26:45.599 --> 00:26:49.000 as you all know, are only discovered in nineteen forty eight. He 334 00:26:49.079 --> 00:26:53.759 writes three lost Christian Gospels the Gospel of Thomas, the Gospel of Truth, 335 00:26:55.119 --> 00:26:59.480 and the Gospel of Philip return again and again to the issue of division, 336 00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:06.720 mysteriously insisting that Jesus somehow divided into two halves when he died on the cross, 337 00:27:06.759 --> 00:27:10.920 that all people were in danger of such a division, that the division 338 00:27:10.920 --> 00:27:14.960 of the soul and spirit, or of Adam and Eve, was the origin 339 00:27:15.039 --> 00:27:19.880 of death, and that making the two one was key to achieving eternal life. 340 00:27:21.759 --> 00:27:23.440 Okay, we got to pause to your depth, because that also blew 341 00:27:23.480 --> 00:27:26.640 my mind. I never thought about the story of Adam and Eve as a 342 00:27:26.680 --> 00:27:32.279 metaphor for this binary soul doctrine. I don't think of it in that sense 343 00:27:32.359 --> 00:27:36.519 that we're talking about today. But when I teach to Row and we get 344 00:27:36.559 --> 00:27:38.880 to the Lover's key in to Row, and when we look at these two 345 00:27:40.000 --> 00:27:45.680 figures who metaphorically certainly appear to be Adam and Eve, I spend a lot 346 00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:49.200 of time talking about on the symbolism of that key, that yes, they 347 00:27:49.240 --> 00:27:56.480 may be in fact two individuals, but they also may be two very different 348 00:27:56.519 --> 00:28:00.119 aspects of the same individual. And I often, of course, we like 349 00:28:00.319 --> 00:28:03.960 that to Young's animal and animous theory, or the notion of the conscious and 350 00:28:04.079 --> 00:28:10.079 unconscious mind. So I've thought about it in those terms of Adam and Eve 351 00:28:10.200 --> 00:28:14.880 becoming symbolic of parts of oneself. So yes, I thought of it in 352 00:28:14.920 --> 00:28:18.119 that way. If you look at it in light of this binary soul doctrine, 353 00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:22.759 Adam and Eve did have eternal life in that story, correct, until 354 00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:26.640 they ate from the tree of knowledge? Yeah, because they were one. 355 00:28:27.240 --> 00:28:30.960 I mean, that's another way to look at it. Is rather than thinking 356 00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:33.480 of a man and a woman, which is kind of how the story is, 357 00:28:33.839 --> 00:28:37.039 and we see the story, but instead if you can look at that 358 00:28:37.480 --> 00:28:42.319 as aspects of the same entity, the same energy, then that what eternal. 359 00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:47.279 What I don't know in what you've just read is I'm going to go 360 00:28:47.279 --> 00:28:52.640 back to your quote here from Novak. Three lost Christian gospels, the Gospel 361 00:28:52.640 --> 00:28:56.640 of Thomas, the Gospel of Truth, and the Gospel of Philip, return 362 00:28:56.680 --> 00:29:00.160 again and again and again to the issue of division. I've read the Gospel 363 00:29:00.160 --> 00:29:03.920 of Thomas. I have not read the Gospel of Truth or the Gospel of 364 00:29:03.920 --> 00:29:07.759 Philip, and I don't remember that. But that's this is going to send 365 00:29:07.759 --> 00:29:11.480 me back down that rabbit hole. I haven't read all of those three gospels. 366 00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:14.480 I've read parts. I've read a lot of Elaine Pagel's work, and 367 00:29:14.559 --> 00:29:18.559 so I've read parts of it that was new to me as well. So 368 00:29:18.039 --> 00:29:22.720 more homework for us, right, right, But it just made me think 369 00:29:22.759 --> 00:29:26.640 about this idea because you do see that in mythology. You see it in 370 00:29:26.680 --> 00:29:33.079 a lot of ancient religious stories, this idea that we were eternal and then 371 00:29:33.200 --> 00:29:37.440 something happened and we lost it and death was introduced. Right, That's always 372 00:29:37.480 --> 00:29:41.519 made my head spin, like why why would you take that away from us? 373 00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:45.319 I don't understand. Maybe this is one way that cultures explained it, 374 00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:48.880 or maybe I don't know, Maybe there's some truth to it. I mean, 375 00:29:48.920 --> 00:29:53.039 even was it Socrates who wrote about our split of parts? I think 376 00:29:53.119 --> 00:29:56.960 so. And if you look at the founding of Rome, they have the 377 00:29:56.960 --> 00:30:03.359 twin soul theory there, remember the twin brothers, remember, yeah? Or 378 00:30:03.400 --> 00:30:07.640 if you look at the ancient Sumerian tablets, we have the two brothers who 379 00:30:07.680 --> 00:30:12.680 created us? Yeah, what was it? And Lylan yet Enki can never 380 00:30:12.759 --> 00:30:18.640 remember that? But yes, now. Peter Novak, as I said, 381 00:30:18.880 --> 00:30:22.720 compares this binary soul doctrine to not only ghost and poultergeist, but also to 382 00:30:22.839 --> 00:30:30.279 near death experiences. He writes the two stages of near death experiences, one 383 00:30:30.359 --> 00:30:36.559 being a detached, objective and dispassionate black void, followed by a subjective relationship 384 00:30:36.640 --> 00:30:42.039 oriented and emotionally intense realm of light reflects the distinctions between the conscious mind and 385 00:30:42.039 --> 00:30:48.599 the unconscious mind. The darkness stage seems to be experienced exclusively through the conscious 386 00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:52.799 half of the psyche, while the light stage seems to be experienced exclusively through 387 00:30:52.839 --> 00:31:00.640 the unconscious, as if the two were operating independently during these episodes. This 388 00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:06.240 made me think right away of doctor Eben Alexander's near death experience that he writes 389 00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:10.880 about in Proof of Heaven. If you remember, he first sees himself in 390 00:31:10.920 --> 00:31:15.640 this dark soil, and I gotta be honest. When I first read that, 391 00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:18.759 I was like, well, this is creepy. And then I read 392 00:31:18.920 --> 00:31:23.640 there's a book on people who had darker near death experiences, and many of 393 00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:29.640 them talk about this first stage where they're in this dark hole. A lot 394 00:31:29.680 --> 00:31:33.160 of NDE writers will kind of leave that out sometimes because it does scare people 395 00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:36.920 and it makes us think of, you know, our images of hell and 396 00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:41.119 whatnot. If you read Eban Alexander's book, he writes how it felt like 397 00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:45.559 he was in the soil in the ground, and I believe he compares it 398 00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:48.599 almost to like a butterfly, where he had to come out of this cocoon. 399 00:31:48.680 --> 00:31:51.599 But it's been a while since I read it. And then he goes 400 00:31:51.640 --> 00:31:56.279 into the light and then he has that relationship oriented, emotionally intense realm of 401 00:31:56.359 --> 00:31:59.920 light experience that Novac writes about. So what do you think about that? 402 00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:07.640 It makes me not be able to breathe, well, the thought of being 403 00:32:08.319 --> 00:32:12.240 I mean, you know, we come from a town where somebody was buried 404 00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:15.240 alive at some point, and our ghost legends where we live. So that 405 00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:19.799 has always just flipped me out, the thought of that. Okay, but 406 00:32:19.880 --> 00:32:23.680 we in doctor Eben Alexandra's book he wasn't afraid during that experience at all. 407 00:32:23.720 --> 00:32:28.960 He said it actually felt comforting. I know you said that. I agree. 408 00:32:29.000 --> 00:32:30.400 I hear what you said. I'm just you asked me how I feel 409 00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:35.319 about it, and I don't feel good about it. But here's why. 410 00:32:35.720 --> 00:32:42.839 I also know that that that time, perhaps even though there may be time 411 00:32:42.839 --> 00:32:47.519 outside of time, and in this conversation of rest of stillness, it's another 412 00:32:47.559 --> 00:32:52.200 way of interpreting that notion of that darkness, and I keep going back to 413 00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:55.799 and I know I've said this on this show before. One of my favorite 414 00:32:55.799 --> 00:33:01.039 poems is by a Unitarian minister who is now dad, whose name was Rick 415 00:33:01.119 --> 00:33:05.559 Maston, and he wrote a beautiful poem called let It Be a Dance. 416 00:33:06.079 --> 00:33:08.279 And one of the lines in the poem is without the dark, that can 417 00:33:08.480 --> 00:33:13.440 be no light. So let it be a dance we do. I love 418 00:33:13.480 --> 00:33:16.079 that. I believe that that balance is important, and I wonder if that's 419 00:33:16.079 --> 00:33:22.319 a part of what's happening here is at dark time and balance, to have 420 00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:27.839 that balance of darkness and stillness before moving into the light. I just throw 421 00:33:27.880 --> 00:33:30.960 that out there as an option. Yes, no, I think that's a 422 00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:34.880 great way to look at it. So what can we take from all of 423 00:33:34.920 --> 00:33:38.400 this? What if these two parts of us do actually separate upon death. 424 00:33:38.920 --> 00:33:43.599 That would mean that the consciousness would have send to heaven and having free will, 425 00:33:44.039 --> 00:33:49.160 would most likely agree to reincarnate, But without the unconscious it would have 426 00:33:49.240 --> 00:33:53.200 lost all of its memories, emotions, and lessons. Could this explain why 427 00:33:53.279 --> 00:33:58.599 our world so often feels broken? Is this why we can't remember our past 428 00:33:58.680 --> 00:34:02.200 lives? Or why I were even here in this lifetime? And if so, 429 00:34:02.359 --> 00:34:07.960 doesn't that feel kind of unfair? Nobody also makes a lot of sense 430 00:34:08.239 --> 00:34:15.480 because you and I both know of some stories where people remember when they come 431 00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:20.360 back to Earth after having been across the vale, they have some memories of 432 00:34:20.760 --> 00:34:25.119 past lifetimes. Most folks don't. They don't remember where, what they did 433 00:34:25.159 --> 00:34:29.039 in their last life, or what they did across on the other side. 434 00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:34.679 And this theory might explain why that is. Yes, and if you look 435 00:34:34.760 --> 00:34:40.639 at past life memories, most people who recall their past lives died dramatically and 436 00:34:40.760 --> 00:34:47.000 came back quickly. And I wonder if these ancient cultures said three days, 437 00:34:47.119 --> 00:34:52.280 because I don't know, maybe time was different, or their concept of this, 438 00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:57.280 this esoteric idea was different. What if the BA and the car, 439 00:34:57.760 --> 00:35:01.559 you know, the unconscious and the the subconscious and then conscious. What if 440 00:35:01.599 --> 00:35:08.480 you die tragically and you reincarnate pretty quickly, the COD never has time to 441 00:35:08.599 --> 00:35:13.679 get inactive. It kind of always stays with the BA. So when you 442 00:35:13.719 --> 00:35:16.960 reincarnate really really quickly, that's why you remember your past lives because the COD 443 00:35:17.000 --> 00:35:22.719 didn't have time to disintegrate. That makes sense in some way to me. 444 00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:25.960 I mean, I need to process that, but I think that's a logical 445 00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:29.800 conclusion. Do you need a drink? Should I pour you a Gin and 446 00:35:29.840 --> 00:35:34.880 tonic? Okay, folks, For people who are listening this is we're recording 447 00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:37.119 this early in the morning, and the answer to that question is now, 448 00:35:37.159 --> 00:35:44.360 thank you for I'm totally kidding, but you just sound like you know your 449 00:35:44.639 --> 00:35:46.519 head is reeling from all of this, which is how I have been the 450 00:35:46.559 --> 00:35:50.559 whole time I've been reading this. I still have to think about it and 451 00:35:50.639 --> 00:35:54.159 process it and figure it out, so it'll be interesting to hear what listeners 452 00:35:54.199 --> 00:35:59.599 think. I can't wait to hear what our listeners say about this. But 453 00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:02.440 I want to hope, and I know we're not quite done yet, but 454 00:36:02.440 --> 00:36:08.800 but I really hope that what our listeners get from this, even if you're 455 00:36:08.840 --> 00:36:13.280 like me and you need to listen to it several times and process it and 456 00:36:13.519 --> 00:36:16.639 think about it and question it and all those pieces that I hope we do. 457 00:36:17.360 --> 00:36:21.639 Even if that's where you are, how wonderful that that's where we are, 458 00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:27.840 because I love the idea that there's always a new way to look at 459 00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:32.280 something, to live with an open mind, to explore and look at concepts 460 00:36:32.320 --> 00:36:37.639 that might be absolutely new to us, and just not not necessarily particularly embrace 461 00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:43.480 them, but certainly to at least acknowledge them and honor them in some way. 462 00:36:43.840 --> 00:36:46.480 And that's where I am with this material at this point, Samantha, 463 00:36:46.599 --> 00:36:51.760 Yeah, I think I am too. I just love reading about new ideas 464 00:36:51.840 --> 00:36:57.639 and just chewing on different ways of looking at things we've been taught, you 465 00:36:57.639 --> 00:37:01.119 know, And I think it is so important to take new ideas and not 466 00:37:01.599 --> 00:37:06.639 accept them or reject them right away at all, just sit with them. 467 00:37:06.800 --> 00:37:10.079 You know. I went to a party last weekend and I met a flat 468 00:37:10.119 --> 00:37:15.079 earther. Have you ever met one? What a person who believes the earth 469 00:37:15.159 --> 00:37:20.360 is flat? Well? I think I probably know people. They just are 470 00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:22.760 probably not going to say it in front of me. Oh well this person 471 00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:27.440 did and I had a lovely discussion with him about it. And I didn't 472 00:37:27.519 --> 00:37:30.519 judge him or you know, try to. I just wanted to hear. 473 00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:34.119 I'm fascinated by people who believe different stuff. It really does it Just I 474 00:37:34.159 --> 00:37:37.360 find it intriguing. I want to know why, why do you think that 475 00:37:37.440 --> 00:37:39.960 way? How is it serving you? And so we had a lovely discussion. 476 00:37:40.159 --> 00:37:44.199 Whereas if I had been like that, it's ridiculous. Have you that 477 00:37:44.239 --> 00:37:47.199 would have gotten me nowhere. So I'm just saying, let's just entertain these 478 00:37:47.239 --> 00:37:51.480 ideas and just you know, see what other thoughts they bring up in us? 479 00:37:51.559 --> 00:37:54.880 Right right? Okay, So here's something else that this has made me 480 00:37:54.920 --> 00:38:00.880 think about. If the unconscious part of ourselves feels, according to some of 481 00:38:00.880 --> 00:38:07.039 this research Novak has done, as though it has descended into hell, would 482 00:38:07.119 --> 00:38:12.760 that explain why we have these notions of heaven and hell? Because without the 483 00:38:12.800 --> 00:38:19.320 conscious part to provide intelligence, reason and action, the unconscious would slowly descend 484 00:38:19.440 --> 00:38:24.119 into dim witted thinking, followed by memories, self judgment, and isolation. 485 00:38:24.840 --> 00:38:29.760 Now that sounds like hell to me, right. Without the conscious to act 486 00:38:29.840 --> 00:38:32.559 for it, the unconscious part of us would feel cold, hungry, and 487 00:38:32.719 --> 00:38:37.800 lost. Because remember, the unconscious can't take action, right, It can't 488 00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:43.400 get up and feed itself. Novac rates. If the unconscious was cut off 489 00:38:43.519 --> 00:38:49.679 from the conscious mind after death, it would review and re experience its memories 490 00:38:49.880 --> 00:38:57.039 and feelings and self judgments over and over and over, which explains the automatic 491 00:38:57.079 --> 00:39:02.199 sleepwalking behavior of haunting ghosts. The unconscious would just keep re experiencing the same 492 00:39:02.280 --> 00:39:08.639 traumas from its past, in an endless nightmare of emotions and memories now. 493 00:39:08.679 --> 00:39:13.760 Peter Novak in his books also raises other fascinating questions like check this out. 494 00:39:14.400 --> 00:39:19.199 When the conscious mind goes on to reincarnate, does the unconscious part of us 495 00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:23.760 stay behind in its own heaven or hell? If so, then where does 496 00:39:23.800 --> 00:39:30.280 the new unconscious for the next lifetime come from? And does the apparent fact 497 00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:36.840 that the discarded unconscious from one's previous life seems still to be functioning actively, 498 00:39:36.880 --> 00:39:43.440 registering and processing experience have anything to do with the already psychoactive unconscious of infants. 499 00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:50.519 Do people have untold numbers of long forgotten past life unconscious souls still actively 500 00:39:50.559 --> 00:39:57.920 involved in their own heavenly or hellish experiences deep within their psyches? Their early 501 00:39:58.000 --> 00:40:02.760 Christianostics seem to have thought so, and made it a prerequisite for salvation to 502 00:40:02.840 --> 00:40:09.480 reawaken these past life selves from their slumbers. So one more question I want 503 00:40:09.480 --> 00:40:13.800 to throw out here. One of the things that I've been taught for many 504 00:40:13.880 --> 00:40:17.400 years is this notion of a higher self? Where does that come into this 505 00:40:17.440 --> 00:40:22.960 picture? Yeah? I don't know me either, but something to think about. 506 00:40:22.599 --> 00:40:27.639 Well, you know Gordon Smith, the wonderful medium from Scotland. He 507 00:40:27.719 --> 00:40:31.199 says that really, we're kind of like DVD copies, right, you know 508 00:40:31.239 --> 00:40:34.639 how you could or a copy of a photo. You know how you can 509 00:40:34.679 --> 00:40:39.480 make hundreds of DVD copies or photo copies of an original photo. The original 510 00:40:39.559 --> 00:40:43.960 part of our soul, our higher self, stays on the other side, 511 00:40:44.000 --> 00:40:46.840 and then kind of like copies of us, you know, like pieces of 512 00:40:46.920 --> 00:40:52.519 us are what reincarnate. What if we can make room for all of this? 513 00:40:52.719 --> 00:40:54.480 Right? Like, what if our higher self is always on the other 514 00:40:54.519 --> 00:41:01.599 side and then we just reincarnate with these two aspects of ourselves. I don't 515 00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:05.760 know. I don't either, but it Isn't it fun to think about it? 516 00:41:05.119 --> 00:41:08.119 It is? But it also makes me think about like you can have 517 00:41:08.239 --> 00:41:13.920 your soul, right, like, your soul has its own personality, its 518 00:41:13.960 --> 00:41:17.440 own interest, needs and wants, as I think we've outlined here. But 519 00:41:17.559 --> 00:41:23.199 then I think about, well, what about DNA? What about inherited stuff? 520 00:41:23.239 --> 00:41:28.480 Like how does that come into play with this? I don't have any 521 00:41:28.559 --> 00:41:32.679 answer, Samantha. All you've done this in this episode is filled me with 522 00:41:32.760 --> 00:41:37.760 questions. Isn't that what a teacher is supposed to do? We've done a 523 00:41:37.840 --> 00:41:44.559 great job, Okay, I want to throw in two quotes that have really 524 00:41:44.559 --> 00:41:47.760 stayed with me. One is from the Aponishads, and it says, what 525 00:41:47.960 --> 00:41:53.079 is within us is also without, what is without is also within. He 526 00:41:53.159 --> 00:41:59.800 who sees difference between what is within and what is without goes evermore from death 527 00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:06.280 to death. So that's an ancient quote, and it's explaining how this goal 528 00:42:06.599 --> 00:42:12.360 is to unite these two aspects of ourselves. Now here's another one from the 529 00:42:12.400 --> 00:42:15.280 Gospel of Thomas. When you make the two one, and when you make 530 00:42:15.360 --> 00:42:20.440 the inside like the outside, and the outside like the inside, and the 531 00:42:20.559 --> 00:42:24.840 above like the below, then you will enter the kingdom. Well, that 532 00:42:24.920 --> 00:42:36.519 clears everything up. I have so enjoyed this episode, and thank you so 533 00:42:36.639 --> 00:42:39.199 very much for all of the work and research you did to put this together. 534 00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:43.320 And I hope that our listeners have enjoyed it. We'll listen to it 535 00:42:43.360 --> 00:42:46.639 more than once because I know I'm going to have to and certainly post their 536 00:42:46.719 --> 00:42:51.239 questions. I think it's a great idea. I think you're ending the show 537 00:42:51.320 --> 00:42:55.960 so you can go have that gin and tonic. That's not true. I'm 538 00:42:57.000 --> 00:43:00.880 totally kidding again. Well, I hope that listeners will at least give this 539 00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:06.840 some time and reflection look forward to hearing, feedback, audit. Thank you 540 00:43:06.880 --> 00:43:09.760 guys so much as always for listening. 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