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the UFO. Yeah, it's murder
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passed over I got I don't know
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least to three thousand feet above us. See, I passed right over the

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top of US ninety one one.
You just called up to be the fours

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they're after staying the airplanes. He
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every liberty or call or calm on
an unidentified flying object. A Welcome to

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UFO Chronicles a place where people share
their experiences of the strange and unexplained.

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If you've had an encounter, I
would like to be on the show.

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You can email me at UFO Chronicles
at gmail dot com. Hello everyone,

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and welcome to the show. I
hope you're all doing good. I'm Nick

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Hunter and you're listening to the UFO
Chronicles podcast. Tonight we have the pleasure

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of Hollywood actress Camille Harmon and she
comes to us from Los Angeles and Camille

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will be sharing her abductions that occurred
in the mid nineties that involved fetus removal

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implants and the connection to the my
Lab's Black Projects. Camille is a member

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of mufon and wrote for UFO Magazine
under Don and Vicki Eckler, as well

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as public speaking at UFO conferences.
She is involved in documentaries and is the

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founded member of the Hollywood Disclosure Alliance. Camille is up next, but first,

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of this episode. Any help is very

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much appreciated. Now on with the
show. Hello, Camille, Welcome to

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the show. Thank you. I'm
so excited. Thank you for coming on

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today and you'll call in from Los
Angeles, California. Yes, I am

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La La Land with the Santa Anna
Wins blowing seventy miles an hour today.

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It's been rough, a rough day, Okay. Now, Camille, you

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have some experiences you're going to be
sharing with us. Would you like to

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start the beginning, please, ma'am. Yes, I will gladly start at

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the beginning, although I don't know
if it's really the beginning, but I

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can tell you it's when I came
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life. Was in nineteen ninety five. I was about what was I twenty

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nine years old, living in New
Orleans at the time, and I had

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finished graduate school, getting my master's
in theater at the University of New Orleans.

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And I had a boyfriend who was
an actor. We were both hot

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stuff in New Orleans, and we
had decided to move to LA after being

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in a production of Richard IID and
having a great time. He was playing

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Richard I was Lady Anne, and
we thought, let's go to LA and

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take on the world. So we
did that, and we drove to LA

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with the U haul towing the car
behind us and we had our dog with

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us, and we spent a night
in Sedona. Actually we went camping along

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the way, so that was kind
of weird. Maybe something happened there that

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started this whole ball rolling. So
right before we had taken off on our

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trip, I had been compelled.
I'm one of those people you hear about

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who was compelled to buy Whitley Streeber's
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And this happened in about August of
ninety five, right before we've moved in

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September, and I had seen this
book Breakthrough, and I knew a little

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bit about Whitley Streeber, and I
just saw that alien face on the cover

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of this hardcover book and I was
like, oh my god, I have

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to get this book. See what
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I knew he had an earlier book, Communion, but I hadn't read it.

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And so I read this book and
it blew my mind and really introduced

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me to the world of UFOs and
I was hooked. I was like,

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oh my god, this is like
the most important thing I've ever read,

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and it just really expanded my mind. So now we're in la and we're

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settling into our house that we were
renting, a beautiful house in Silver Lake

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with a great view of the sky. I remember actually walking up the steps

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and looking at the view from the
living room with the landlord and saying,

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oh my god, this window is
like perfect for seeing UFOs. Of course,

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I don't know why I said that, but I did. And I

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had an agent, I had a
job, I had my sag card.

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I was so excited to just begin
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know. So everything was going great. But then I started having all these

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weird physical symptoms in my body of
being pregnant. And I had sore breast,

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I had anxiety, I had heartburn. And I'd never been pregnant before

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that I know of. But I
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taking the pill at the time very
regularly. And I I remember in the

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past, I, you know,
if I was ever late on my cycle,

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I would just go to the drug
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take a pregnancy test and ease my
mind to go, oh good, I'm

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not pregnant. Great. But I
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and waiting and waiting, and I
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And I remember thinking to myself,
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just because I moved. You know, sometimes that happens, right, And

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so in December. So we had
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December, and we were walking our
dog Opal one day in the neighborhood

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and she saw these squirrels run up
a palm tree and was barking at the

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top of the palm tree where they
had a nest up there. And we

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were looking at that, and above
that in the sky was a UFO,

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my very first UFO, and it
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I couldn't quite make out the shape, but it had like a shimmer

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around it, like it was black
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hundred percent, but it had a
shimmer around the edge. And my boyfriend

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Eric saw it too, and I
remember him teasing me and saying, oh,

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you and your UFO books. You
know, look, you're standing at

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the uf phone. I was like, I think we are, and we

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looked at each other, we made
eye contact, and then we looked back

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at it and it was gone.
And I mean it was a bright blue

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sky and no clouds and we had
the palm tree for reference, and we

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were looking everywhere, like where'd it
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And we got really excited, and
I said, here, take the

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leash. I'm going home. I'm
gonna call it in, I'm gonna report

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it. So I went home and
I was on the phone with the guy.

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There was a phone number the phone
book like UFO hotline, and I

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called and it was move On.
And I talked to this guy Bill,

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and I told him about the UFO
and I don't know how far we got

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into the report, but you know, I told him what I saw and

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and he said, oh, we
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if you want to come, And
I was like, oh, yes,

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I'm there, tell me where I'll
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in December of ninety five, I
had this weird night when I Eric

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was in the living room watching a
David Lynch movie that I didn't feel like

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watching because I knew it would be
gross, and I was sleeping alone,

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and I had this attack of sleep
proalysis. And I had had that before

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in my life, but I this
time it was really scary because I heard

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a voice say my name in my
would seem to be from my left side,

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like an electronic sounding voice that just
said my name, that's all it

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said. It said Camille like a
robot or like a computer generated voice.

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And then I had an image of
a gun pointed out, like a flash

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image of a gun pointed at me, and I was like, okay,

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what the hell was that. It
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later on, when Eric was in
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again the same night, and I
remember coming out of the paralysis, and

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this time I didn't have any weird
audio visual thing, but I came out

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of the paralysis. I was moaning, you know, as I broke out

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of it, and it woke him
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like, well, are you okay? And I was crying. So I

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in January, my menstrual cycle came
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I started going to these moof On
meetings and I saw Kim Carlsberg speak and

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she blew my mind because she had
a book out that darryl Anka, who

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channels Bishar, had illustrated, and
she was in showbiz as well as a

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set photographer on Baywatch and she was
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director or producer or something of Baywatch, and she had this great life,

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but then she started having these abductions
in Malibu at their house or Pacific palace

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haads, I can't remember, think
Malibu and this whole thing, you know.

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And I just I was so blown
away by her story and her emotion.

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And I checked out her book at
the back table, and it had

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a checklist in the back that was
like, you know, you may have

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been abducted if and it had all
these things on this list. And I

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was reading this list and I was
like, oh my god, I've had

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that, and I've had that,
and I've had nose bleeds as a child,

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and I've had all these weird things
on the list. And I was

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shaking, and I just knew.
I was like, oh my god,

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I think I'm one of these people. And I was introduced to Barbara Lamb,

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who's a hypnotherapist for this problem.
And I said, Barbara Lamb,

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Hello, nice to meet you.
I want to make an appointment to do

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a regression with you. Please about
this night in December when I had these

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weird sleep proalysis attacks and saw UFO
and let's do it. So we did.

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Had two incidents we investigated. Okay, the very first incident we investigated

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was not that night. Actually it
was years ago, I think, like

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around nineteen ninety one, when I
was living in Richmond, Virginia, sleeping

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at this dorm room when I had
this weird dream in my memory. I

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had this weird dream and in the
dream, I was in a mansion with

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a film crew. I was part
of the crew. I was walking through

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this rock star's house like some generic
rock star with long hair. He was

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leading us through his house through these
various rooms, and he was like,

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Okay, this is the studio,
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then he goes, oh, and
this is the Satanic ritual room. And

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I looked in this room and there
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it was like black and red or
whatever. I don't know. I

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can't remember the room very much,
but there was a there was a mounted

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taxidermy goat head on the wall,
and I remember the rest the film crew

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kept walking and I stayed in the
doorway of that room and I said to

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the room, to the general room, I said in my dream, I

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said, I dare you to make
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said in my dream. And all
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goatthead came alive and started making noise, you know, goat noise. It's

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so scary. And at that moment, I felt this feeling in my solar

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plexus area of my body that my
soul or my life force was being sucked

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out of me at a rapid rate, like I was gonna die. And

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I just it all happened so fast, and I said stop, in the

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name of Jesus Christ. I was
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where I was no longer in that
room. I was like in this spacetime

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realm when that happened. And I
said stop in the name of Jesus Christ.

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And it stopped, and I woke
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this dorm room, you know,
like outside, and it was like,

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what the hell was that. It
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we targeted that initially in the regression
because I was curious about that too.

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And I did get being standing around
me in this room with some kind

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of a tube stuck in my chest, and all I could see were their

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eyes and they had these, you
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They had weird irises. So that
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we targeted that night in December ninety
sixth and I had this terrifying memory of

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a typical alien abduction. Right,
I'm in my bed, I'm frozen,

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I can't move, and this light
appears over me, this blue light that

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was like a turquoise blue, and
it was just really solid light. It

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wasn't like a normal spotlight that flares
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light. And it hit me and
I curled up into a fetal position in

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my memory, and I went through
the ceiling in this fetal position, and

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I was terrified and I was like
screaming up bah. But I didn't see

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a ship though. Okay, this
is where it gets weird. So I

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go through the ceiling. And then
the next thing I remember is I'm in

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this I'm on a table in a
misty room. I can't see any walls

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or anything. There's just a misty
white light everywhere, and I'm terrified and

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I'm saying, everybody's looking at me. Everybody's looking at me. And Barbara

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says, who is looking at you, and I said, I don't know,

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and she's she had to make me
look around. She goes, well,

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look around and see if you see
anything. And I looked to my

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left and I saw this row of
being standing there like I don't know how

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many, there were more than three. They all looked the same they had

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They were white. They had white
robes on with high collars, they had

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long sleeves, they had white,
big white heads, the big black eyes,

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and they had something at their chest
area that was like a triangle in

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a circle, some kind of emblem
thing. And they were all standing next

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to each other with their arms down, their really long arms, and I

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was just terrified. And she was
like, you know, what do they

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want? What's happening? Because you
know, you're just laying there screaming,

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right, and the hypnotherapist has to
like guide you through it because you're so

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emotional, you're not talking, and
she doesn't know what's happening, so she

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has to say things like, Okay, now, what's happening. So I

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said to her, I said to
Barbara, I said, they're telling me

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I have a baby and they want
it. And I was just freaking out.

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So then my legs went apart and
no one was touching them, and

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I felt really afraid because my body
was moving, not in my control.

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And then there was a being I
could not see between my legs with a

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flash of this like gynecological instrument,
and I knew that this being was gonna

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put that in me, and I
was freaking out, and she said,

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you can go above your body and
remember it from above if that makes you

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feel less afraid or whatever, you
know, more control of the memory.

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So I like floated up above to
watch it. And this thing that I

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could not see, this being that
I could not see, put this thing

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in this instrument in me and took
it out. And there was something in

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the instrument through the slats that I
could see that was like a little pink

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something. I cannot tell you what
it looked like. I don't know if

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it was human or part human.
It was very tiny, and the being

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walked out of the room with it, and I remember feeling this horrible grief,

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and I was so bereft. I
was like crying and saying, they

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didn't even let me see it,
and they just left and I was just

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in agony in I mean, I
must have lost two or three pounds in

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this regression, just crying and my
teeth were chattering, and it was just

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utter terror, and it blew my
mind. So I mean, what do

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you do with that? You know? She gives me this little cassette tape

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with this horrible event on it,
and I go home to my poor boyfriend

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and I sit him down and I
make him listen to it. And he's

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hearing all this screaming and the teeth
chattering and the wailing and and I mean,

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he looks at me like, holy
crap. I mean, what you

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know, what's going on? What
happened to my girlfriend? Or what didn't

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happen to my girlfriend? And my
girlfriend's crazy or what like. He didn't

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know what to believe. You know, it's so depressing because you feel like

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it felt so real, and yet
when you try to share it with someone,

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they don't know what to make of
that, you know. And we'd

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been dating a long time years,
and he was like, oh my god,

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this is horrible. So and then
it just got worse because I was

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so obsessed and I was so talkative. And then it happened again. I

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had another incident when he was out
of town. He went back to New

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Orleans for a film job of all
things, and so he was gone for

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a week and I was sleeping alone, and I I woke up three mornings

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in a row in July of nineteen
ninety six, and I saw my digital

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clock saying four zero zero, and
I was like, why am I getting

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up? I didn't hear a noise, What's going on? And the third

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morning of that, I got in
the tub to shave so I could go

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to the beach and meet my friend, and I saw this bleeding triangular puncture

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array of like needle marks in the
shape of a little triangle on my calf,

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and I was like, damn it, that is some alien thing.

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I've seen that in one of my
books or some stupid show I recorded,

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and I was looking for it and
look in and look, and I found

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it picture like that in my book, some book I had. And I've

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since then met like five people.
Four people have had that thing on different

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parts of our bodies. So I
did another regression. This time I went

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to Yvonne Smith just to experiment with
the other lady in town that was doing

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regressions, and I got aliens again, and this time the variety factor was

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I went out the window flat instead
of through the ceiling in the fetal position,

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same thing. The blue light floats
me up, I turn, I

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go out the window, and then
boom, I'm on this table again.

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I don't remember UFO. I don't
remember any kind of I remember going through

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the window and then I was on
the table, but this time there was

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one tall one with the white robes, and then there were these little,

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three short ones with the kind of
wrinkly heads. And I couldn't see their

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whole bodies. I just saw the
tops of their heads at these wrinkly heads,

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and they were like gray or brown
or something dark. And I remember

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crying and saying, you made me
scared of little kids, because you look

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like little kids, but you're not
little kids. And I was a teacher

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at the time, and I had
had this experience where these kids pulled me

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toward a cabinet, like a bunch
of them came up and grabbed my arms

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and started walking me to this cabinet
to get some paper, and like,

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my body just went into this cellular
memory of something similar to that happening,

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and I was like, oh my
god, I have to hold it together

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in this classroom, because you know
it was a real deja vu kind of

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feeling. So when these these little
guys had me on the table in this

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hygnosis memory and I'm yelling at them, the one closest to my head put

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its hand on my forehead and I
was like, get your creepy hand off

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me, little bastard, and I'm
cussing it out. But then as it

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put its hand on my head and
started stroking my forehead, I like calmed

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down. It like melted my anger
and my panic and I just got really

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chill. And I I mean not
chill. I'm happy, but it calmed

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me. And I just said,
just do what you have to do and

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let me go home. And I
was sedated somewhat. So then the tall

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doctory one with the white robes with
the high collar and the big white head

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with the big black eyes and the
beautiful long white fingers, he's reached for

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the ceiling. There's this stuff in
the ceiling, like a wand on a

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some kind of a tubing and a
rack with some tips, and he picks

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a tip and he puts one of
these tips on the wand and he holds

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my leg, my left leg.
He's standing on my right but he reaches

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across, he holds my left leg
and he just pops that wand on my

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leg real quick like, almost like
a vaccination or something. You know.

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That was all I remembered of that. I don't remember getting home, coming

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back, anything, just that procedure. And I did later work with the

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doctor and have the leg X ray. There was nothing in my leg,

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so that's why it seemed more like
a vaccination kind of a thing, not

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a not an object being put in
me. And then later I had gone

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to the dentist to get all my
fillings changed out for you know, for

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the white, the nice white fillings, and I had all my old mercury

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feelings taken out. I loved my
new fillings except for this one tooth.

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And I went to back to the
dentist, a very nice dentist in Beverly

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Hills, and I said, you
know, well I told him this before

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you even did the fillings. I
said, hey, by the way,

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I'm an alien abductchee and I'm doing
some hypnotherapy. And I've read a lot

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about this lately, and I've read
that some people freak out in the dentist

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chair because they have flashbacks. And
I said, that's never happened to me

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at the dentist before in my life. But I'm just telling you that,

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you know. And I said,
oh, and by the way, if

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you ever find anything weird in my
body, you have to tell me.

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And he was like, okay,
well, I read a book about Roswell,

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so you know, I don't totally
think you're crazy, okay. And

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so anyway, he does all my
feelings and then this one feeling hurt and

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I go back and he's like,
well, it looks good. You know,

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the seal is good. I can
redo it. So he redes the

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filling and he finds this weird thing
in my tooth that he had just worked

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on. He had just worked on
that tooth a couple of months before,

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and now it's got this weird thing
in it that he described as a spherical

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or semi spherical object. And he
wrote me a whole letter about it.

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And he was drilling and drilling.
It was really hard, and he said,

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I can't get a chunk of this. It's powderizing, but it's super

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hard and it's going down the drain, and what do you want me to

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do? And he showed it to
me in the mirror and he was tapping

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on it with the little tool and
I was like, oh my god.

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I said, I don't know,
just like you fill it up and I'll

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you know, I'll decide later.
So he filled it up and it did

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fix the sensitivity. So I just
kind of, you know, put that

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in the back of my mind.
Okay, that's not bothering me, so

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I'm not going to think about it. And then other weird things I had

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happened to my body. It had
a dream where I was bitten by a

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spider, and when I woke up
and looked in the mirror, I had

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this incision on my right shoulder,
on the back of my shoulder where that

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spider had bitten me in my dream, and I would get this weird feeling

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where something was like a beasting would
happen on that incision, and then I

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would get a jolt of electricity down
my arm and out my fingers and it

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would just randomly happen. So I
didn't know where that came from, and

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I never did a regression to it. Another weird thing I had on my

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left shoulder one day was a grid
mark pattern, like a little square of

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dots, and it wasn't like needle
marks. It was more like, I

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don't know what it was. It
didn't last, it was temporary. The

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same thing with the little slice.
It's not there anymore, the triangle everything

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in a way. But I got
pictures, and so I did do a

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regression to the tooth with Barbara Lamb
again. I went back to her and

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I thought I'd get aliens. You
know, I was just guessing. But

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what happened is I had what you
know, what they call a military abduction

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memory. So it was really terrifying. I did not have a blue beam

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or anything like that. I just
remember I was in an exam room on

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a table. But this time I
felt really drugged, not hyper alert and

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immobilized, like with the aliens or
whatever they are. But and I say

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aliens very loosely, I don't know
if these things are computer generated something,

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if it's a CIA mind control trick, if they're demonic beings, if they're

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a simulation being, I don't know. If they're I don't know what they

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are. I don't know if they're
from another dimension another time. I don't

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know what they are. They don't
have to be from another planet is where

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I'm getting at, So they could
be from under the earth. They could

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be from Antarctica. I don't know
where they're from. So anyway, in

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this memory, on this table,
it was a normal exam room. It

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was not misty or weird or sci
fi looking. It was just a normal

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like a doctor's room. But there
were two men in there, not aliens,

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men, and they were in lab
coats and they had black shoes and

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khaki pants like some kind of military
I just, you know, like navy,

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not saying it was navy, just
saying that's what they were wearing.

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And the only word I got out
of them in this memory was the word

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trouble maker, aimed at me.
And then they one of them put a

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syringe through my cheek in my memory, and squirted something into my jaw at

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this where this tooth was. So
they did not do something dental. I

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was not in a dentist's chair.
I was on a flat table, and

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they just put the syringe into my
cheek from the outside and squirted something in

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there. So then they put me
on a gurney, rolled me down a

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hall, and I ended up in
this hangar that was seemingly underground because it

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had a helicopter in it, and
the ceiling retracted and so it was like

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a dome kind of ceiling or some
kind of ceiling that opened up. And

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then there was a lot of daylight, and I remember how bright it was,

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and I was in this helicopter lying
down, and they flew up,

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up, up and took me home
to my Silver Lake neighborhood in Los Angeles

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and landed in this field by my
house, which is still a field.

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I went there recently to see this
field to see if anyone put a house

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on it or anything, and it's
still a field you can land a helicopter

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on. And they said go home
and take a nap, and then I

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came out of the memory. So
I don't remember walking home, going in

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a door or anything like that.
And when I came out of this regression,

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I was so freaked out. And
Barbara told me that it was the

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first time she had ever had a
regression with someone that had a military abduction

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memory. This was in like nineteen
ninety seven as well, so I was

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terrified. I thought, oh my
god, if this is real, this

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is scarier than the aliens. I
mean, aliens are scary, but paramilitary

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something or other, covert something,
something that's that's scarier to me. It's

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more of a betrayal, and it's
more like unnerving because then you think,

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God, if I didn't remember this
until I went digging around for it because

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of this dental situation, if this
is real, then you know what else

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is real that they've done with me
that I don't remember. And then you

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get totally pair like what the hell? So that was very disturbing. So

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I continued to go to meetings.
I went to Roswell. I had a

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great trip to the Roswell nineteen ninety
seven to fiftieth anniversary. I saw doctor

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Mac. Everybody was there, all
the greats that a lot of them that

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are no longer with us were there, and it was very fascinating. I

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took some photos at White Sands with
Don Waldrup. We had gone on this

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trip together. He was ahead of
move On LA at the time, and

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he drove me there and I got
UFOs, well, I should say,

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not a classic UFO. I got
light anomalies in these photos that we took

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in White Sands where I was,
I had drawn this big alien face on

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the sand dune and I was yelling
at this guy like I dare you to

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come down here and we're just screwing
around taking these pictures. After I drew

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this big alien face, and in
the pictures later when we developed them,

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there were these white things, like
little squiggly things right in my face where

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I was looking in two photos,
so I'm like yelling at the sky and

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there's a white squiggly thing right in
front of my face. And then I'd

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look another way and I'm yelling at
this guy and there's a white squiggly thing

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in front of my face in another
picture. So that was pretty wild.

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And you know, at this time
too, I was I was going to

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a lot of different healers. I
went to this lady, Marie Angelique Rafael,

410
00:29:27.920 --> 00:29:33.680
and she did a prayer. She
said, you agreed to work with

411
00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:37.119
these beings on the soul level,
and we can sever the contract. And

412
00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:41.559
she prayed over me, and she
prayed to Archangel Michael and Saint Germain.

413
00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:48.759
And I went to a hyahuasca healer
who had come to La from Peru,

414
00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:52.279
and he did a healing on me
that was very powerful. I felt like

415
00:29:52.279 --> 00:29:56.519
I was getting an exorcism, and
he went and threw up afterward, and

416
00:29:56.559 --> 00:29:57.960
I remember saying, is that normal? Is that what? You, you

417
00:29:59.000 --> 00:30:00.599
know. He goes, oh,
yeah, I throw up at the end

418
00:30:00.680 --> 00:30:04.599
of these clearings because of I'm taking
on, you know, what was done

419
00:30:04.680 --> 00:30:08.680
to you? And I said,
well, what do you think was done

420
00:30:08.680 --> 00:30:12.240
to me? And he goes witchcraft
and I'm like, oh Jesus help me,

421
00:30:12.640 --> 00:30:15.319
what next? So that I mean, I just kept going to these

422
00:30:15.319 --> 00:30:18.920
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emergency preparedness needs. So for a
long time, nothing was happening to me.

437
00:31:44.599 --> 00:31:49.359
I was going to purshare channelings,
I had talked to my relatives more.

438
00:31:49.759 --> 00:31:52.319
I was trying to piece things together. I had an uncle who worked

439
00:31:52.319 --> 00:31:59.079
for NASA. He was a mechanical
engineer under Wernavon Brawn in the late sixties.

440
00:31:59.119 --> 00:32:02.000
He worked on the Saturday and five
rocket and all these really cool projects

441
00:32:02.039 --> 00:32:06.599
at NASA over in Huntsville. And
I had lived with him and his family

442
00:32:06.640 --> 00:32:08.039
when I was a little kid for
a year because I was kind of I

443
00:32:08.119 --> 00:32:12.160
was born to a teenage mom,
and I kind of got passed around a

444
00:32:12.160 --> 00:32:15.039
little bit, and then I was
adopted by my aunt. But I did

445
00:32:15.079 --> 00:32:17.000
live with my uncle for a year
in Huntsville, and so you know,

446
00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:22.359
I was thinking, like, wow, I keep meeting all these abductees in

447
00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:27.480
support groups and stuff, and so
many of them have relatives in the military

448
00:32:27.720 --> 00:32:34.319
or the space industry or you know, aerospace intelligence. Am I on a

449
00:32:34.519 --> 00:32:38.640
list for this because of this whole
biology for technology thing that, you know,

450
00:32:38.680 --> 00:32:42.799
this alleged deal that was made back
in the day. And I mean,

451
00:32:42.839 --> 00:32:45.160
I'm not blaming my uncle. I'm
just wondering if him being in NASA

452
00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:49.720
had anything to do with me being
abducted, not that he would even know

453
00:32:49.799 --> 00:32:52.960
that. So of course I asked
him about all this, and he said,

454
00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:54.440
I don't know anything, and if
it's true, it's an essay and

455
00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:58.160
they're never going to tell you.
I was like, thanks, But I

456
00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:00.960
did have an interesting couple of stories
visiting him in Huntsville later, you know,

457
00:33:01.160 --> 00:33:05.119
as an adult when all this was
happening, And one time I remember

458
00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:12.480
going there around two thousand some point
ish. I went there a few times,

459
00:33:12.559 --> 00:33:15.599
I'm trying to remember the years,
and I went to the gift shop

460
00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:19.920
at the Redstone Arsenal where they had
the Space Center, and they had all

461
00:33:19.960 --> 00:33:22.960
this NASA stuff you could buy.
But when I went there on this particular

462
00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:25.160
time, they had all these alien
things you could buy at the gift shop,

463
00:33:25.240 --> 00:33:28.400
Like they had T shirts. I
bought a T shirt. I bought

464
00:33:28.680 --> 00:33:31.240
like a plastic cup with a straw
with an alien on it. They had

465
00:33:31.279 --> 00:33:35.240
these figurines. They had a whole
wall of figurines. It was like,

466
00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:37.599
these are the Nordics, these are
the Grays, these are Reptilians, these

467
00:33:37.599 --> 00:33:42.279
are the Pleiadians. It was like
little little figurines you could buy, and

468
00:33:42.359 --> 00:33:45.720
I remember just being blown away.
And then I went back there a couple

469
00:33:45.759 --> 00:33:52.440
of years later, like maybe two
thousand and two or something, and I

470
00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:55.200
went to the same gift shop and
there was nothing alien. There was not

471
00:33:55.559 --> 00:34:01.599
one image of an alien on anything
in the It was all NASA. And

472
00:34:01.640 --> 00:34:06.559
I remember thinking, oh my god, that's really trippy, Like what if

473
00:34:06.559 --> 00:34:09.880
they were going to do disclosure and
then they changed their mind or something.

474
00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:13.639
That's how my brain works, Like
I was just trying to figure that out.

475
00:34:13.679 --> 00:34:15.440
Why would they take all the alien
stuff away from the store. So

476
00:34:16.360 --> 00:34:21.880
another military person I met. I
met this guy, Michael Younger through my

477
00:34:21.960 --> 00:34:24.519
friend Richard Saraday, who was a
journalist. Oh and I started writing for

478
00:34:24.679 --> 00:34:29.119
UFO magazine in two thousand. From
two thousand to two thousand and four,

479
00:34:29.159 --> 00:34:31.440
I wrote for UFO magazine. I
was covering the MOUF on meetings and writing

480
00:34:31.480 --> 00:34:34.920
other articles, and it was really
fun because I got to meet all these

481
00:34:35.000 --> 00:34:39.800
experts. And Richard Sarday, who
was a UFO journalist and podcaster, introduced

482
00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:45.000
me to this guy Michael Younger,
who was supposedly in the Navy but also

483
00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:50.000
was like Delta Force or some kind
of like special ops something or other guy.

484
00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:54.320
And we had this very secret meeting
in a restaurant and he listened to

485
00:34:54.360 --> 00:34:57.960
my story and he said, yeah, you're the real deal, and he

486
00:34:58.000 --> 00:35:01.639
gave me a code name and he
called me angel Fish and I thought that

487
00:35:01.719 --> 00:35:05.960
was weird. And he wouldn't tell
me why, but I said, why

488
00:35:06.039 --> 00:35:07.719
is the Navy involved in this?
And he said, well, the Earth

489
00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:12.000
is two thirds water? And I
was like, hmm, good point.

490
00:35:12.679 --> 00:35:17.880
Now, with what I know about
UFOs coming out of the oceans and lakes

491
00:35:17.920 --> 00:35:22.039
and things, now that that's not
as surprising to me what he said.

492
00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:27.760
So, you know, I just
I have a knack for meeting people that

493
00:35:27.840 --> 00:35:30.440
tell me very interesting things. When
I was acting, I would be on

494
00:35:30.639 --> 00:35:35.719
set and I would talk freely.
I would talk at parties It mortified my

495
00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:37.760
boyfriend. He was like, Ah, can't you just not talk about this

496
00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:40.719
at parties? It's so embarrassing.
It's like you're a born again Christian or

497
00:35:40.719 --> 00:35:45.039
something, and which was funny because
later I became a born again Christian,

498
00:35:45.039 --> 00:35:46.599
but that was later. So I
would talk. You know, I'm a

499
00:35:46.599 --> 00:35:51.559
big mouth. I'm a communicator,
and but I would get these amazing stories

500
00:35:51.599 --> 00:35:54.000
that other people would tell me because
I opened my mouth first. Right.

501
00:35:54.239 --> 00:35:58.880
So I'm on set one day in
this trailer with a bunch of girls and

502
00:35:58.920 --> 00:36:02.639
bikinis and we're on this night shoot
of a beach party down at the beach,

503
00:36:02.719 --> 00:36:07.559
and so they had us in this
waiting this like RV. We had

504
00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:09.480
to hang out in there so we
wouldn't freeze to death until they needed us.

505
00:36:09.559 --> 00:36:13.599
And I'm talking about, you know, UFOs and stuff, and this

506
00:36:13.679 --> 00:36:16.039
girl says to me, oh my
god, I know what you're talking about.

507
00:36:16.079 --> 00:36:20.159
Let's go talk over there. So
we go down the hallway and she

508
00:36:20.320 --> 00:36:22.960
says, let me tell you the
story. She said, I grew up

509
00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:27.960
in Maryland and my dad worked for
the NSA. He was very high up.

510
00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:30.760
And I was like, oh my
okay, keep talking. And she

511
00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:34.000
said okay. So he took me
camping when I was a little girl,

512
00:36:34.360 --> 00:36:38.360
and we're looking up at the stars, sitting around the campfire, and he

513
00:36:38.519 --> 00:36:44.679
says to me, what if I
told you that God was an alien and

514
00:36:44.760 --> 00:36:50.559
this was all just a big experiment. And I was like, whoa,

515
00:36:50.920 --> 00:36:53.559
that's really interesting. And I file
that away in my brain. You know,

516
00:36:53.599 --> 00:36:55.840
That's what I do. I hear
all this wild stuff and I file

517
00:36:55.880 --> 00:37:01.280
it away and just keep putting the
pieces together. So eventually, you know,

518
00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:04.639
I looked at my childhood. I
was like, did this happen all

519
00:37:04.639 --> 00:37:07.920
my life? Am I just like
waking up to something that's you know,

520
00:37:07.960 --> 00:37:10.000
are there more clues? And like
I said, I had these very severe

521
00:37:10.079 --> 00:37:14.400
nose bleeds as a child, which
is a symptom, and I would wake

522
00:37:14.480 --> 00:37:17.119
up with blood all over the pillow. I had to have my nose carterized

523
00:37:17.159 --> 00:37:22.880
at the doctor. As a child, I had a lot of allergies and

524
00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:28.440
respiratory illnesses. I had weird dreams. I had dreams about going into an

525
00:37:28.440 --> 00:37:34.079
elevator that went underground. I had
dreams about vampires things like that. Very

526
00:37:34.239 --> 00:37:37.599
fishy and in my fears, like
in my conscious life. As a child,

527
00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:40.679
I was terrified of lizards and snakes. Of course, I lived in

528
00:37:40.719 --> 00:37:46.480
Louisiana and we had those in the
yard. Terrified of praying mantis's, terrified

529
00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:50.800
of the slee stacks. On the
Land of the Lost, which was a

530
00:37:50.840 --> 00:37:53.519
Saturday morning show for kids, there
were these reptilian creatures. I was terrified

531
00:37:53.559 --> 00:37:58.559
of the creature from the Black Lagoon. So those are big red flags.

532
00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:02.039
Anyway. I just think maybe I
had stuff going on as a child,

533
00:38:02.039 --> 00:38:06.920
but I was just not aware of
it. All my fears were paranormal to

534
00:38:07.239 --> 00:38:10.079
my general fears. And I remember
seeing the Exorcist movie when I was like

535
00:38:10.119 --> 00:38:15.079
thirteen, and it scared the hell
out of me, you know. So

536
00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:19.679
I had this big fear of being
possessed. And I think maybe because she

537
00:38:19.840 --> 00:38:22.960
levitated above the bed, maybe that
was some kind of trigger. I don't

538
00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:27.000
know. I was just so afraid
of being possessed. And I was in

539
00:38:27.039 --> 00:38:34.159
Catholic school. So I went to
Arizona with my husband. Oh, I

540
00:38:34.199 --> 00:38:37.119
ended up getting married. I gotta
tell that story. So I went to

541
00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:40.119
England. I went to see the
crop circles in nineteen ninety eight and it

542
00:38:40.199 --> 00:38:45.320
was amazing. I went by myself
and I met up with Barbara Lamb,

543
00:38:45.360 --> 00:38:50.599
and I wanted to see Sting's house
because I was a Sting fanatic, the

544
00:38:50.639 --> 00:38:53.280
singer, and he lives right in
Wiltshire, England, near Stonehenge where all

545
00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:57.159
the crop circles are. So I
had this girl that was in the Sting

546
00:38:57.239 --> 00:39:00.119
fan club bring me out there to
find his house. He lives in this

547
00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:02.760
big, gorgeous house out there,
and I saw a Sting standing in his

548
00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:07.039
driveway of all things. When this
car went through the through the gate and

549
00:39:07.039 --> 00:39:08.119
he was standing in the driver I
was like, oh my god, he's

550
00:39:08.199 --> 00:39:12.800
right there. So Barbara and I
got together and she said, okay,

551
00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:15.440
Camil, we're going to your first
crop circle. And is it a horang?

552
00:39:15.639 --> 00:39:17.079
She said, it just happened last
night. So we drove to it

553
00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:22.280
and it was kind of misty and
drizzly and I walked into this thing and

554
00:39:22.599 --> 00:39:25.159
it was huge, and later when
we saw pictures of it from above,

555
00:39:25.800 --> 00:39:30.360
they had nicknamed it the Stingray and
it looked just like a stingray with a

556
00:39:30.360 --> 00:39:34.880
big long tail that curled, and
I thought that is too cool that.

557
00:39:35.239 --> 00:39:40.960
You know, I'm obsessed with Sting
and my first crop circle is the Sting

558
00:39:42.119 --> 00:39:46.000
Ray. That was like a gift
to me that was just too synchronistic,

559
00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:51.079
and so I had this wonderful trip
over there, and I had a fling

560
00:39:51.079 --> 00:39:52.920
with a guy. You know.
Of course, I came back home to

561
00:39:53.000 --> 00:39:57.199
my boyfriend and I was like,
I'm sorry, but I had a fling

562
00:39:57.199 --> 00:40:00.000
in England, and he was like, I'm so glad because I wanted to

563
00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:00.960
break up with you, but I
didn't want to be the bad guys.

564
00:40:01.039 --> 00:40:06.599
So we broke up and we were
relieved, but you know, we still

565
00:40:06.679 --> 00:40:09.679
cared about each other and we ended
up going to each other's wedding, so

566
00:40:09.719 --> 00:40:14.840
it all worked out. But anyway, I met this guy here, Jeff,

567
00:40:14.920 --> 00:40:16.800
my husband, in nineteen ninety eight, at a gas station in Malibu

568
00:40:16.840 --> 00:40:22.039
and I had to get gas.
I was leaving a UFO Field Investigator training

569
00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:25.960
meeting at the beach and I was
heading to a rehearsal and it was nighttime

570
00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:29.719
and I had to stop and get
gas in Malibu, and I chose this

571
00:40:29.800 --> 00:40:34.199
gas station that was right near the
gate to the colony where Sting has a

572
00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:38.239
house, So that's why I picked
that gas station. Anyway, I start

573
00:40:38.320 --> 00:40:44.280
talking to this guy next to me
getting gas in his motorcycle because he asked

574
00:40:44.280 --> 00:40:46.320
me about my bumper sticker that said
I Love England and he said what part

575
00:40:46.320 --> 00:40:49.360
of England do you love? And
I was like, you know, kind

576
00:40:49.400 --> 00:40:52.480
of rolling my eyes, I said, Wilt sure. I was just there

577
00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:55.119
looking at crop circles and I thought, he's not gonna know what I'm talking

578
00:40:55.159 --> 00:41:00.960
about. And he said, oh, my friend Jim Delatoso showed me videos

579
00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:05.360
of UFOs making crop circles. What
got you into UFOs? And I'm like,

580
00:41:06.400 --> 00:41:07.519
uh, they got into me.
I was like, you know,

581
00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:12.960
Jim Delatoso, I was really impressed
because he analyzed his UFO footage and he

582
00:41:13.000 --> 00:41:17.239
was living in Phoenix and he was
part of the Phoenix Lights analysis and so

583
00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:22.480
we started talking and he had had
my this guy the gas station, my

584
00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:25.800
husband. He had had all these
UFO experiences. So we swapped business cards

585
00:41:25.800 --> 00:41:29.360
and then we got together and had
a date and here we are. So

586
00:41:29.440 --> 00:41:32.039
that was nineteen ninety eight and we're
still together and we have a son who's

587
00:41:32.079 --> 00:41:37.639
grown. And Jeff had a lot
of experiences with UFOs two and still does.

588
00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:45.039
He saw two in September in Malibu
this year driving around on his motorcycle.

589
00:41:45.079 --> 00:41:49.119
He saw them at night and they
were different. They were different objects,

590
00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:52.599
different shapes and everything. Anyway,
so you know that happened. We

591
00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:58.199
got married, and then we in
two thousand and five when Hurricane Katrina hit

592
00:41:58.280 --> 00:42:00.679
New Orleans. I was so traumatized. I said, I don't want to

593
00:42:00.679 --> 00:42:04.800
live in la I'm afraid it's going
to fall into the ocean. I don't

594
00:42:04.840 --> 00:42:07.800
know, I just got really afraid. I had kind of quit acting because

595
00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:09.519
we had a son and he was
little, and you know, I was

596
00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:14.519
just not into acting. So we
packed up and moved to Tucson and we

597
00:42:14.559 --> 00:42:16.400
lived in Tucson for ten years,
and it was really nice. It was

598
00:42:16.559 --> 00:42:22.119
very beautiful and inexpensive, and but
you know, had a lot of culture

599
00:42:22.159 --> 00:42:24.519
and fun things to do. So
we enjoyed it. And they had a

600
00:42:24.639 --> 00:42:28.840
very active move on and a lot
of UFO history there, and they had

601
00:42:28.840 --> 00:42:34.519
the Vatican Observatory based at the University
of Arizona, and a lot of observatories

602
00:42:34.639 --> 00:42:38.119
and just a lot of famous Ufology
people live there. Wendel Stevens lived there.

603
00:42:38.199 --> 00:42:42.079
He would go to the UFO meetings
and you know, he wrote all

604
00:42:42.079 --> 00:42:45.880
these books about Billy Meyer and the
Paadians and stuff. And I remember asking

605
00:42:45.960 --> 00:42:47.800
him, like, do you trust
the Plaandians and he said no, and

606
00:42:47.880 --> 00:42:52.440
I said, oh, how interesting. Why and he said because they've said

607
00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:54.440
things about the future that didn't come
true. And I was like, okay,

608
00:42:54.639 --> 00:42:59.599
well, there you go. That's
a good reason. And Colonel Robert

609
00:42:59.639 --> 00:43:05.480
Dean lived in Arizona. Jim Nichols, the artist illustrator, lived in Arizona.

610
00:43:05.559 --> 00:43:08.840
So I was friends with all these
people and it was exciting and I

611
00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:12.239
had a great time there. But
then we got bored and we moved back

612
00:43:12.280 --> 00:43:15.280
to la in twenty fifteen. Oh
by the way, while it was in

613
00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:20.519
Arizona, I had a major t
tour in the fact that in remember twenty

614
00:43:20.559 --> 00:43:22.639
twelve, when everybody was, oh, the end of the Mayan calendar,

615
00:43:22.840 --> 00:43:25.519
the whole world's going to change,
and we were all excited, and then

616
00:43:25.880 --> 00:43:32.079
kind of it felt like nothing happened. Well after that, I had this

617
00:43:32.239 --> 00:43:37.119
feeling, I don't know. We
went up to Sedona, and I remember

618
00:43:37.679 --> 00:43:40.800
going to see the there's a big
church, like a big modern Catholic church

619
00:43:40.840 --> 00:43:44.920
built into the hill there, and
we went in there and there was this

620
00:43:45.079 --> 00:43:51.360
statue of Saint Michael the archangel with
the slaying a dragon, and I just

621
00:43:51.480 --> 00:43:54.199
was very moved by that, and
it reminded me of me of my childhood

622
00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:59.440
and going to Catholic school. I
went to this really beautiful old school in

623
00:43:59.440 --> 00:44:02.000
the country Louisiana with Salma Hayak by
the way, in eighth grade. And

624
00:44:02.119 --> 00:44:07.559
it was called Academy of the Sacred
Heart. And it's a very old order

625
00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:12.400
of nuns, the Sacred Heart Nuns
from France that had settled this school in

626
00:44:12.440 --> 00:44:15.719
eighteen twenty one, I think,
and it was gorgeous. I only went

627
00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:19.039
there for seventh and eighth grade.
It was a girls' school. It was

628
00:44:19.039 --> 00:44:22.599
a boarding school, but I was
a day student. Salma was a boarding

629
00:44:22.599 --> 00:44:25.239
student. But it was so it
was so beautiful and I had my horse

630
00:44:25.360 --> 00:44:29.559
there. We had an equestrian program. It was just really great. And

631
00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:30.920
then I went just wanted to go
to school with boys in high school and

632
00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:34.599
I left there, but it really
made an impression on me. And we

633
00:44:34.639 --> 00:44:38.239
had nuns for teachers and they were
really nice. And so anyway, I

634
00:44:38.280 --> 00:44:43.480
had been writing my book about this
whole alien thing and I had kind of

635
00:44:43.519 --> 00:44:45.360
come to the end and I still
didn't know what it was. And I

636
00:44:45.400 --> 00:44:49.559
got really sad and I was like
praying, and it was like God,

637
00:44:50.199 --> 00:44:52.360
can you just reveal to me what
this is. I can move on with

638
00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:58.480
my life. I don't want to
lead anyone astray. And then these books

639
00:44:58.559 --> 00:45:04.360
came my way. First it was
Nigel Kerner's book Gray Aliens and the Harvesting

640
00:45:04.400 --> 00:45:07.119
of Souls, and I read that
book and it had this whole section on

641
00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:13.840
the Shroud of Turin and how if
it was real and Jesus had turned into

642
00:45:13.920 --> 00:45:17.920
a light being and risen from the
dead and had left this imprint on this

643
00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:23.559
shroud that they said had to do
with radiation, that it meant he,

644
00:45:24.079 --> 00:45:29.199
you know, he went into a
different state. It just really moved me,

645
00:45:29.280 --> 00:45:34.159
and I had this whole born again
Jesus experience. And it was wild

646
00:45:34.199 --> 00:45:37.199
because my husband had told me,
he said, you're gonna have this spiritual

647
00:45:37.239 --> 00:45:39.679
awakening, and I was like,
I have those all the time. I

648
00:45:39.719 --> 00:45:43.960
was very new age right when we
were dating. And he said, no,

649
00:45:44.079 --> 00:45:45.440
something big, and I was like, okay, whatever. And then

650
00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:51.239
that happened right a few months later, and he was looking at my astrology.

651
00:45:51.239 --> 00:45:53.320
Okay, Jeff, my husband,
Jeff Harmon is an astrologer, like

652
00:45:53.360 --> 00:45:59.440
a professional, amazing astrologer. So
he was saying that because he saw that

653
00:45:59.519 --> 00:46:01.320
in my chart. So when I
had this whole born again thing, he

654
00:46:01.400 --> 00:46:05.159
was like, wow, I didn't
know it would be that. That's pretty

655
00:46:05.199 --> 00:46:07.440
wild, you know. And so
I started going back to church. I

656
00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:12.320
got confirmed all this stuff. I
was going to the Latin Mass. It

657
00:46:12.360 --> 00:46:15.519
was really beautiful, really intense,
and I was in my happy place.

658
00:46:15.559 --> 00:46:19.280
I mean, he was like,
how can you go into this little box

659
00:46:19.320 --> 00:46:23.000
of doctrine and be happy when you
used to be so open minded? And

660
00:46:23.039 --> 00:46:28.000
I said, I think aliens are
demons and I'm done. I'm done with

661
00:46:28.039 --> 00:46:30.000
it. I just want to go
to Mass. It's so beautiful. And

662
00:46:30.039 --> 00:46:32.079
I would go to Mass and I
would just cry and cry. And then

663
00:46:32.119 --> 00:46:36.280
I found out I wasn't in a
state of grace and I couldn't have communion

664
00:46:36.320 --> 00:46:39.159
and all this, but I would
still go. And you know, I

665
00:46:40.119 --> 00:46:45.360
was just in this difficult situation of
not being able to be a good Catholic

666
00:46:45.440 --> 00:46:47.159
because of my marriage and stuff.
But I was I was really into it.

667
00:46:47.239 --> 00:46:51.199
And I was reading all these books
about the saints and that their mystical

668
00:46:51.239 --> 00:46:54.119
experiences, and there were so many
parallels to the whole UFO thing, and

669
00:46:55.039 --> 00:46:59.320
it fascinated me because I'd never been
taught all that in Catholic school, because

670
00:46:59.320 --> 00:47:02.599
I went to Catholics after Vatican two, when it was like really kumbaya,

671
00:47:02.679 --> 00:47:06.440
and they didn't teach you anything.
They didn't teach us the Rosary, they

672
00:47:06.440 --> 00:47:09.639
didn't tell us any of the cool
supernatural stuff about the Saints. It was

673
00:47:09.679 --> 00:47:15.679
really not a good religious class in
the late seventies early eighties. So anyway,

674
00:47:16.719 --> 00:47:22.199
we decided to move back to LA
and left Tucson. Came back to

675
00:47:22.280 --> 00:47:25.760
LA in twenty fifteen and I started
acting again and I was still going to

676
00:47:25.840 --> 00:47:30.639
church. I was not into UFOs. Started acting again. I did really

677
00:47:30.639 --> 00:47:32.559
well in my acting career and it
really took off, and I was in

678
00:47:32.599 --> 00:47:38.159
an Oscar winning film called Vice with
Christian Bale and Steve Carell. I was

679
00:47:38.199 --> 00:47:42.639
in Shameless. I was having a
good old time, you know, acting

680
00:47:42.719 --> 00:47:45.519
in my late forties and early fifties, and it was really fun and it

681
00:47:45.559 --> 00:47:47.639
still is. I mean, I'm
still an actress. It's just been a

682
00:47:47.639 --> 00:47:52.239
hell of a couple of years.
So no UFO stuff happening. But then

683
00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:55.039
I started going to meetings again here
and there. But even if I'd go

684
00:47:55.079 --> 00:47:59.039
to meetings UFO meetings, I would
like argue I'd say, what if alien

685
00:47:59.079 --> 00:48:00.559
you're demons? No, no,
no, no, And everybody was like,

686
00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:05.119
whatever, you know. They just
the UFO scene is not into the

687
00:48:05.159 --> 00:48:07.280
aliens of demons theory at all,
so but I would still go once in

688
00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:13.280
a while. And then really when
I started researching Tartaria stuff, which is

689
00:48:13.280 --> 00:48:16.719
a whole subculture about history and looking
at history in a different way, and

690
00:48:17.679 --> 00:48:24.079
it's about were there previous resets?
Are we in a controlled world where there

691
00:48:24.159 --> 00:48:31.480
is a non human presence that is
keeping a lid on a certain narrative of

692
00:48:31.639 --> 00:48:37.840
history and creating another where we have
had these previous resets in our in our

693
00:48:37.960 --> 00:48:39.480
history, And it's I don't want
to get too much into it. You

694
00:48:39.480 --> 00:48:45.360
can go look into it. But
it made me question history and question reality,

695
00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:51.599
and question the origins of architecture around
the world and things like that,

696
00:48:51.679 --> 00:48:53.840
and it just really opened my mind
again. And I was watching a lot

697
00:48:53.880 --> 00:49:00.880
of podcasts about Tartaria, and then
I decided to go to back to Arizona

698
00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:07.599
for the International UFO Congress in the
fall of twenty twenty two in Phoenix area,

699
00:49:07.679 --> 00:49:10.519
and I had such a great time. Oh my gosh, I saw

700
00:49:10.559 --> 00:49:16.039
all my old UFO friends there,
Melinda Leslie and just all these people like

701
00:49:16.400 --> 00:49:21.440
Lynn Katai was there everybody, and
I was like, oh man, I'm

702
00:49:21.480 --> 00:49:23.360
so back in, and so much
had happened that I didn't know about,

703
00:49:23.360 --> 00:49:29.239
like the Davis Wilson thing, and
all this stuff had happened that I was

704
00:49:29.320 --> 00:49:31.559
just not aware of at all.
And I got hooked. I was like,

705
00:49:31.599 --> 00:49:36.159
Okay, I'm back in. This
is just too exciting. And I

706
00:49:36.199 --> 00:49:39.840
got so excited to be back into
it. I felt alive in a different

707
00:49:39.880 --> 00:49:45.480
way. And it wasn't like I
was totally throwing out the aliens re demons

708
00:49:45.519 --> 00:49:49.719
thing. I just opened up again
to the possibility that it wasn't that simple.

709
00:49:49.960 --> 00:49:54.280
So I started doing interviews. I
got invited to speak at UFO Con

710
00:49:55.280 --> 00:50:00.840
up in San Francisco, went up
there, did that. That was great.

711
00:50:00.320 --> 00:50:05.599
I met Chris Bledsoe in twenty twenty
three, in about February when he

712
00:50:05.599 --> 00:50:08.199
came here for Alien Con, and
I really connected with him and his book.

713
00:50:08.719 --> 00:50:12.519
And what I liked about him was
he had this religious background, but

714
00:50:12.559 --> 00:50:17.000
he had this mystical experience and he
was seeing it as a positive thing,

715
00:50:17.880 --> 00:50:22.840
and so I thought that was interesting
to me. I reconnected with Von Smith

716
00:50:23.519 --> 00:50:30.559
with Rebecca Hardcastle Wright. I worked
with her in some coaching. I discovered

717
00:50:30.599 --> 00:50:35.400
Caroline Corey and all of her work
and her great documentaries. I went to

718
00:50:35.400 --> 00:50:38.079
see her in some conferences and then
I was at church. I was like,

719
00:50:38.239 --> 00:50:42.440
I go to church. It's in
a tent. It's a long story,

720
00:50:42.440 --> 00:50:45.159
but during COVID we had to move
into a big tent in the parking

721
00:50:45.199 --> 00:50:47.639
lot and we got so big that
we couldn't fit in our old building.

722
00:50:47.679 --> 00:50:51.000
So we still have church and a
tent. So I was sitting in this

723
00:50:51.079 --> 00:50:54.639
spot where I could see the sky, and it was before Alien Con and

724
00:50:54.679 --> 00:50:58.840
I was nervous about going up there
to do this talk. And I said,

725
00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:02.679
I had my camera and I said, okay, this is what I

726
00:51:02.719 --> 00:51:06.559
need. I need this before I
go do this and get back into this

727
00:51:06.599 --> 00:51:12.000
world. Officially, I said,
if you are working with any good beings

728
00:51:12.280 --> 00:51:16.639
in the UFOs, I need a
sign. Please please give me a sign.

729
00:51:17.119 --> 00:51:21.239
And as soon as I made this
prayer, I look up and I

730
00:51:21.400 --> 00:51:28.760
see these four white orbs. I
think they're orbs. Maybe they're not,

731
00:51:28.920 --> 00:51:30.480
maybe they're birds. I don't know. They were very very high up in

732
00:51:30.480 --> 00:51:37.519
the clouds, come out and start
flying around each other. And I got

733
00:51:37.039 --> 00:51:44.800
a few seconds of it on video
and I was like showing everyone, you

734
00:51:44.840 --> 00:51:47.079
know, and people were pretty blown
away. Some people thought it was sphear,

735
00:51:47.199 --> 00:51:51.400
some people thought it was birds.
Chris Bledsoe looked at it and told

736
00:51:51.400 --> 00:51:53.079
me he thought it was angels.
So I don't know what it was.

737
00:51:53.159 --> 00:51:55.559
But to me, it was a
sign because the way I figure it,

738
00:51:57.039 --> 00:52:04.679
even if it was birds, the
symbol of the Holy Spirit is the white

739
00:52:04.800 --> 00:52:08.960
bird, and so I was like, even if it's white birds, it's

740
00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:15.000
still a sign to me that Jesus
was saying, yes, I am working

741
00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:19.239
with some good beings into UFOs.
And that's how I interpreted it. So

742
00:52:19.320 --> 00:52:22.920
I could be wrong, but that's
how I interpreted it. So the latest

743
00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:27.639
thing that happened to me was Chris
had told me Camille, they're angels and

744
00:52:27.679 --> 00:52:30.320
they've been working with you since you
were a little girl. Okay, Now

745
00:52:30.360 --> 00:52:35.320
that made sense to me because I
had had a regression with Barbara years ago

746
00:52:35.800 --> 00:52:40.559
that was very wonderful. It wasn't
scary. And what it happened was is

747
00:52:40.599 --> 00:52:45.119
I had in nineteen ninety eight before
I went to England, or maybe ninety

748
00:52:45.119 --> 00:52:49.159
seven. I know I had it
before I went to England because I told

749
00:52:49.199 --> 00:52:52.079
someone in England about it. But
I had this longing. I kept catching

750
00:52:52.119 --> 00:52:55.079
myself saying things like oh, humans, this human's that, and I felt

751
00:52:55.079 --> 00:53:02.360
like I was aligning myself with some
beings that were not here, and I

752
00:53:02.360 --> 00:53:05.920
identifying with them in some way.
And I went to Barbara and I said,

753
00:53:05.960 --> 00:53:08.119
Barbara, I had this longing for
these beings and I don't remember.

754
00:53:08.280 --> 00:53:12.480
Can we target that? And she
said yeah, So she puts me under

755
00:53:12.519 --> 00:53:17.880
hypnosis, and I had this memory
of this white hand with the white robe,

756
00:53:19.159 --> 00:53:22.400
like touching me through my crib when
I was a child, and then

757
00:53:22.440 --> 00:53:25.960
taking the hand away from me,
and I felt all this separation, anxiety

758
00:53:27.599 --> 00:53:30.519
and crying. And then the next
memory I had was it was like I

759
00:53:30.679 --> 00:53:36.480
was a sofa being stuffed into a
pillowcase and I had like a panic attack

760
00:53:36.519 --> 00:53:38.360
and I was screaming. I was
screaming, I don't want to be in

761
00:53:38.400 --> 00:53:44.039
this body. It's so weak,
and I just felt like I had been

762
00:53:44.119 --> 00:53:47.199
stuffed into a body and I was
panicking, and she said, well,

763
00:53:47.239 --> 00:53:51.760
then go to a place where you
felt good. Go there, you know,

764
00:53:51.960 --> 00:53:57.719
And so then I pop out and
I'm out in space and I'm I'm

765
00:53:57.760 --> 00:54:00.440
a blue light. I'm just a
blue light, like a sphere of blue.

766
00:54:00.760 --> 00:54:06.360
And I look out across space and
I see my friendly Cole and my

767
00:54:06.400 --> 00:54:10.320
friend John, and they are blue
lights. And I was crying with recognition

768
00:54:10.920 --> 00:54:15.400
of seeing my friends in this form. And then I looked and there was

769
00:54:15.519 --> 00:54:19.440
Earth spinning, and it seemed to
be spinning quickly, and it was causing

770
00:54:19.480 --> 00:54:22.760
me a lot of anxiety and dread, like being on the edge of a

771
00:54:22.840 --> 00:54:25.159
diving board. And I said,
I don't want to go to Earth.

772
00:54:25.360 --> 00:54:29.639
It's spinning, it's spinning. And
Barbara said, why do you have to

773
00:54:29.639 --> 00:54:30.960
go to Earth? And I said, I don't know. And she said,

774
00:54:30.960 --> 00:54:34.840
what asks someone why you have to
go to Earth? And I asked.

775
00:54:34.960 --> 00:54:37.760
And then these light beings appeared,
these white light beings that were like

776
00:54:37.920 --> 00:54:44.119
huge and not spheres. They were
more like human form with light all around

777
00:54:44.159 --> 00:54:46.880
them so that I couldn't see their
faces, but they had arms and legs

778
00:54:46.880 --> 00:54:52.840
and some kind of white robes of
light. And I was crying with pure

779
00:54:52.920 --> 00:55:00.280
ecstasy in the presence of these things, and I felt this meshing with them,

780
00:55:00.280 --> 00:55:02.559
and I was I was saying things
like they're my home, they're my

781
00:55:02.760 --> 00:55:08.719
family, that's why I wear a
white robe. I had a white bathrobe

782
00:55:08.800 --> 00:55:15.960
I was talking about, and I
just felt this total oneness, this ecstatic

783
00:55:16.079 --> 00:55:22.360
pure love and pure knowledge melding with
these things, these these angel being whatever

784
00:55:22.400 --> 00:55:25.039
they were, I don't know what
they were. They were so beautiful and

785
00:55:25.239 --> 00:55:29.800
energy wise. And when I asked
them why did I have to go to

786
00:55:29.880 --> 00:55:31.719
Earth, they said the Earth needs
you and I said why and they said

787
00:55:31.760 --> 00:55:37.400
to fight evil. And I was
like, oh, okay, what am

788
00:55:37.400 --> 00:55:40.760
I supposed to do? And they
said tell people that we exist and that

789
00:55:40.960 --> 00:55:45.079
we love them. And I said, okay, how am I supposed to

790
00:55:45.159 --> 00:55:47.559
do that? Like lecture about it
or they said no, in your acting

791
00:55:49.360 --> 00:55:52.159
and I was like okay, but
you know, most stuff that gets made

792
00:55:52.199 --> 00:55:55.119
in Hollywood is crap. So they
said, don't worry. We will set

793
00:55:55.119 --> 00:56:00.599
it up so that you meet people
and make projects worthy of your time.

794
00:56:00.239 --> 00:56:05.800
And I was, okay, that
sounds amazing. Please, yes, please

795
00:56:06.360 --> 00:56:09.519
do it. And they gave me
this image of this light coming from a

796
00:56:09.599 --> 00:56:15.320
central source through the universe through them, and then they would point this light

797
00:56:15.400 --> 00:56:21.480
with their arms at Earth and it
would come out of their arms toward us

798
00:56:21.519 --> 00:56:25.320
on Earth. But we were walking
around with umbrellas and they couldn't reach us,

799
00:56:25.440 --> 00:56:30.480
and they said, We're always here
sending you this love. You're just

800
00:56:30.559 --> 00:56:37.440
all walking around with umbrellas, and
it was this really beautiful image. So

801
00:56:37.280 --> 00:56:44.079
I had so much joy in that
regression, and I kept pushing them on

802
00:56:44.119 --> 00:56:46.360
the acting. They said, the
reason you have so many different jobs.

803
00:56:46.719 --> 00:56:51.599
All my other jobs, like I
was catering and substitute teaching and doing all

804
00:56:51.599 --> 00:56:53.679
these weird jobs. I was fux
finishing, I was a painter. They

805
00:56:53.719 --> 00:56:58.159
said, it's because you like talking
to people and telling them your story,

806
00:56:58.400 --> 00:57:01.039
but you'll be able to do it
on a much bigger scale in your acting.

807
00:57:02.079 --> 00:57:06.840
And it was like, okay.
So it was weird because when I

808
00:57:06.840 --> 00:57:10.400
came out of the regression I was
very happy. And my next acting job

809
00:57:10.480 --> 00:57:15.559
was actually a short film in which
it was called The Encounter and it was

810
00:57:15.599 --> 00:57:20.519
about a man who had an angelic
encounter and I played his wife. So

811
00:57:20.599 --> 00:57:22.800
that was really neat that it was
the very next film I did was about

812
00:57:22.840 --> 00:57:28.079
an angelic encounter. And then I
don't know, I mean, I hope

813
00:57:28.079 --> 00:57:32.719
that I will do more projects that
are, you know, beneficial to humanity,

814
00:57:32.800 --> 00:57:37.199
because not everything I do is that
way. Obviously, but that is

815
00:57:37.280 --> 00:57:42.239
my goal, you know, and
so we'll see how that goes. I'm

816
00:57:42.400 --> 00:57:45.960
in this new thing right now that
just got formed. It's called Hollywood Disclosure

817
00:57:45.960 --> 00:57:54.119
Alliance, and it's a networking group
for UFO experiencers and experts to work with

818
00:57:54.800 --> 00:58:00.079
Hollywood producers, directors and writers and
others, you know, publicist agents,

819
00:58:00.199 --> 00:58:08.639
things like that to create content,
fiction and nonfiction, content that pushes disclosure

820
00:58:08.719 --> 00:58:16.480
and helps the world understand this phenomenon
from stories based in truth that can be

821
00:58:16.559 --> 00:58:22.239
brought to this networking group. Right
So, I'm straddling both sides, like

822
00:58:22.280 --> 00:58:27.519
I'm an actress and a UFO experiencer. And we had our inaugural lunch.

823
00:58:28.159 --> 00:58:32.039
It was awesome last month at Musso
and Frank, this famous restaurant it's one

824
00:58:32.079 --> 00:58:37.559
hundred years old in Hollywood. I
was sitting next to this producer who produced

825
00:58:37.840 --> 00:58:39.119
Hacksaw Ridge, and I was like, oh my god. There was like

826
00:58:39.159 --> 00:58:42.880
some really big people in here.
It was so exciting because you know,

827
00:58:43.159 --> 00:58:45.679
being an abductee or an experience or
whatever you call yourself, it can be

828
00:58:45.880 --> 00:58:51.679
so incredibly lonely. And even if
you're in support groups, which I was

829
00:58:51.760 --> 00:58:54.000
and I still am, where you
meet others, and you talk about all

830
00:58:54.039 --> 00:59:00.519
this and share stories in the general
public and with your family and your old

831
00:59:00.599 --> 00:59:06.800
friends that you had before all this, it can be so isolating and lonely,

832
00:59:07.039 --> 00:59:10.880
and you can feel like the biggest
weirdo in the family. And it's

833
00:59:10.920 --> 00:59:15.639
just been hard. And now that
disclosures really ramping up, there are so

834
00:59:15.760 --> 00:59:21.840
many people like me that are so
happy to be able to talk about it

835
00:59:21.880 --> 00:59:25.280
more freely without being afraid for the
you know, the their income, their

836
00:59:25.400 --> 00:59:29.519
job security, all that kind of
thing. Like I was so excited to

837
00:59:29.559 --> 00:59:35.039
see Goldie Han come out and talk
about her alien experiences. And I have

838
00:59:35.119 --> 00:59:38.519
the same birthday as Goldiehan. And
then fran Dresher, who's the head of

839
00:59:38.719 --> 00:59:43.960
SAG, who played the Nanny,
that actress, she had a UFO experience

840
00:59:44.000 --> 00:59:47.440
and was abducted. So if the
head of SAG and if Goldie Han can

841
00:59:47.480 --> 00:59:51.960
talk about aliens, then so can
I. And I told my agent and

842
00:59:51.960 --> 00:59:53.800
I told my manager. I said, look, you know, I was

843
00:59:53.880 --> 00:59:58.800
talking about this in the nineties and
doing interviews and then I kind of stopped.

844
00:59:58.880 --> 01:00:01.519
And now I'm going back and I'm
going to be doing interviews and documentaries

845
01:00:01.800 --> 01:00:05.519
and just trying to be a piece
of the puzzle and be helpful in this

846
01:00:05.559 --> 01:00:08.519
whole disclosure thing, because people need
to be able to feel comfortable to talk

847
01:00:08.559 --> 01:00:14.719
about it. I have the advantage
of being in a career where you know,

848
01:00:14.800 --> 01:00:16.480
as long as you're responsible and you
show up and do the work,

849
01:00:17.079 --> 01:00:22.320
they're pretty forgiving about weirdness, right
Like, look at Shirley McLain, look

850
01:00:22.360 --> 01:00:25.880
at you know, all these crazy
actors who've had drug and alcohol problems.

851
01:00:25.880 --> 01:00:30.519
I've never had a drug and alcohol
problem, So you know, I show

852
01:00:30.599 --> 01:00:34.480
up, I'm professionally, I do
my job. It's just very exciting and

853
01:00:34.800 --> 01:00:38.039
I'm really looking forward to the immediate
future. I think this is all definitely

854
01:00:38.480 --> 01:00:43.800
heading to a giant crescendo of knowledge
and information, and it may be scary

855
01:00:43.840 --> 01:00:45.400
as hell, like what we learned
might scare the hell out of us and

856
01:00:45.719 --> 01:00:50.079
might really cause some problems in society
for a while as we go through this,

857
01:00:50.360 --> 01:00:53.719
but I mean, bring it on. I'm so over the secrecy and

858
01:00:53.760 --> 01:01:00.679
the wondering and i just want to
know what is really going on. And

859
01:01:00.400 --> 01:01:07.519
I want justice for those of us
who have had military shenanigans or whatever pseudo

860
01:01:07.639 --> 01:01:10.639
military I mean, I say military, and I shouldn't say that, because

861
01:01:10.639 --> 01:01:17.159
I don't know if it's really military
or some other corporate security something or other

862
01:01:17.559 --> 01:01:22.679
operation. I did ask my Navy
boyfriend once. I had an old boyfriend

863
01:01:22.679 --> 01:01:24.760
who was in the Navy, and
I lived with him one summer in Jacksonville,

864
01:01:24.800 --> 01:01:29.039
and I remember him taking me to
see the F eighteens because he worked

865
01:01:29.039 --> 01:01:31.320
on the F eighteens and this was
before nine to eleven when you could bring

866
01:01:31.360 --> 01:01:36.280
your girlfriend on the base and everything. And so I called him up and

867
01:01:36.400 --> 01:01:39.360
I said, Steve, Oh my
gosh, Okay, I gotta ask you

868
01:01:39.440 --> 01:01:44.920
because I just found out I'm an
alien abductee and I just met this Navy

869
01:01:44.960 --> 01:01:49.239
guy who's telling me the Navy's involved, and so do you know anything like

870
01:01:49.679 --> 01:01:52.559
why did they take people? Like
who did they pick? Like? Why

871
01:01:52.599 --> 01:01:57.360
me? And he said to me
on the phone, he said, all

872
01:01:57.400 --> 01:02:01.679
I know is they take people who
are very pure. And I thought that

873
01:02:01.719 --> 01:02:05.599
was such a weird thing to say. What did that mean? He didn't

874
01:02:05.599 --> 01:02:08.239
elaborate, and you know, he
and I were lovers. I know he

875
01:02:08.280 --> 01:02:12.360
didn't mean sexually pure. I don't
know what he meant, but it was

876
01:02:12.400 --> 01:02:15.039
a very weird thing for him to
say. And you know, all of

877
01:02:15.079 --> 01:02:19.239
us that have this experience, we
go through that ym why me, and

878
01:02:19.239 --> 01:02:22.159
we try to figure it out.
Is it because of my blood type?

879
01:02:22.239 --> 01:02:25.400
Is it because of my DNA,
my lineage? You know, I had

880
01:02:25.440 --> 01:02:29.679
read that a lot of people of
Irish descent have this, and I have

881
01:02:29.760 --> 01:02:32.239
Irish descent. You know, you
hear about the negative blood type I have

882
01:02:32.320 --> 01:02:37.199
that I have the rahe negative blood
type. So I don't know. All

883
01:02:37.239 --> 01:02:39.719
I know is it seems to be
from my mother's side of the family.

884
01:02:40.400 --> 01:02:45.840
I asked my mom once if she'd
ever had any weird things and she said,

885
01:02:45.880 --> 01:02:47.920
well, I was meditating once and
I felt these two claws on my

886
01:02:47.960 --> 01:02:52.559
shoulder and I was like, okay, that counts. That's helpful. Thank

887
01:02:52.599 --> 01:02:54.559
you for that information. And then
I had the NASA uncle, her brother,

888
01:02:54.960 --> 01:03:00.119
and then my grandmother that I adored, who partially raised me. When

889
01:03:00.119 --> 01:03:04.119
she was in the hospital when she
was really old, she saw aliens in

890
01:03:04.159 --> 01:03:08.639
the hospital and got so upset they
had to call her Presbyterian minister to pray

891
01:03:08.880 --> 01:03:13.119
with her. And I remember the
family got all mad at me and they

892
01:03:13.159 --> 01:03:15.960
said, you should have never told
her about your alien stuff, because now

893
01:03:15.960 --> 01:03:19.920
she's hallucinating aliens At the hospital and
I said, you know, I don't

894
01:03:19.920 --> 01:03:23.320
know what that was. She was
probably on medication. Maybe the veil was

895
01:03:23.360 --> 01:03:28.480
lifted because of what drugs they had
are on and she could see stuff.

896
01:03:28.559 --> 01:03:30.760
I don't know, or maybe it
wasn't drug induced, you know, but

897
01:03:31.199 --> 01:03:42.440
I have this suspiciona'ge through my mother's
side of the family. So who knows.

898
01:03:45.159 --> 01:03:47.400
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ew is the x x X.
I guess you know, I just wanted

907
01:04:38.079 --> 01:04:42.840
to talk more about all these weird
clues along the way, you know,

908
01:04:42.920 --> 01:04:45.519
like that girl that said her dad
worked for the NSA, and all that

909
01:04:45.920 --> 01:04:51.400
I do know that I have this
gift. People ask abductees a lot of

910
01:04:51.400 --> 01:04:55.840
times, like do you have psychic
abilities? Do you have the ability to

911
01:04:55.880 --> 01:04:59.760
heal? People? Like? Did
they activate some kind of an ability with

912
01:04:59.840 --> 01:05:04.480
you? The only thing I've discovered
about myself in that manner is I have

913
01:05:04.519 --> 01:05:09.679
this ability to find other abductees in
the room. We find each other and

914
01:05:09.760 --> 01:05:13.960
we talk, and I can go
to a party and find the person in

915
01:05:14.000 --> 01:05:17.679
the room that's had this experience.
And that has caused me to believe that

916
01:05:17.760 --> 01:05:24.039
this experience is very common. Now, I don't know if that's my imagination,

917
01:05:24.239 --> 01:05:28.800
because I just happened to vibrate towards
the person in the room that had

918
01:05:28.840 --> 01:05:31.079
the experience. It just seems to
me like there are a lot of people.

919
01:05:31.320 --> 01:05:35.159
Because I open my big mouth,
I hear their stories back, and

920
01:05:35.199 --> 01:05:39.559
they would have never told me their
story if I hadn't said something first.

921
01:05:40.000 --> 01:05:45.519
Another interesting thing, when I first
went back to the church in Tucson,

922
01:05:45.239 --> 01:05:48.199
this one church, not the Latin
Mask, but this other one that I

923
01:05:48.199 --> 01:05:51.199
had first gone back to, and
I went to confession and I was telling

924
01:05:51.239 --> 01:05:57.400
the priest everything in confession, and
he told me to slow down and not

925
01:05:57.599 --> 01:06:02.280
go so fast with my plans to
you know, go back to church and

926
01:06:02.320 --> 01:06:05.639
everything. And I remember wondering why
he told me that, And then I

927
01:06:05.719 --> 01:06:13.360
remember contacting this guy, brother,
guy Consulmago at the Vatican Observatory in Tucson

928
01:06:13.840 --> 01:06:18.199
and telling him, you know,
my understanding that the Vatican was very interested

929
01:06:18.239 --> 01:06:23.440
in the subject matter and that as
an abductee, I had come to this

930
01:06:23.719 --> 01:06:26.840
theory that aliens were demons and I
wanted to go back to the Church and

931
01:06:26.840 --> 01:06:30.280
all this, and he told me
I was on the right track, which

932
01:06:30.320 --> 01:06:34.239
is interesting because the Vatican has been
very interested in all this. Now they're

933
01:06:34.280 --> 01:06:40.519
an organization. They want self preservation
and they're going to shape the narrative to

934
01:06:41.039 --> 01:06:45.880
preserve themselves and their doctrine. You
know. There's a very interesting book that

935
01:06:45.920 --> 01:06:50.159
came out by doctor Paul Thigpen,
who is a Catholic writer, and it

936
01:06:50.199 --> 01:06:55.239
came out last year published by Tan
Publishing, which is a Catholic publisher,

937
01:06:55.239 --> 01:07:00.280
and it was all about the extraterrestrial
reality and the Catholic Church. How does

938
01:07:00.280 --> 01:07:01.559
the Church say about those do about
this? It's a very good book.

939
01:07:01.559 --> 01:07:03.480
Actually, I don't have the exact
title, but I should have it.

940
01:07:03.519 --> 01:07:08.480
But anyway, doctor Paul Thigpan th
hig pn you can look it up.

941
01:07:08.679 --> 01:07:15.320
So even though the Catholic Church has
believed me its own problems with corruption and

942
01:07:15.719 --> 01:07:19.760
you know, pedophilia and everything else, they have done a lot of wonderful

943
01:07:19.800 --> 01:07:24.400
things and they are very open minded
about the subject. I will say,

944
01:07:24.719 --> 01:07:29.920
so, I guess they're like their
perspective is, if there are aliens from

945
01:07:29.960 --> 01:07:36.440
other planets, how do they fit
into the redemption narrative? If Jesus redeems

946
01:07:36.639 --> 01:07:41.360
the sinners on Earth who had original
sin with Adam and Eve, how does

947
01:07:41.400 --> 01:07:45.519
that apply to other beings on other
worlds where they didn't have Adam and Eve

948
01:07:45.599 --> 01:07:47.360
et cetera, et cetera, et
cetera. So that's a very interesting thing

949
01:07:47.400 --> 01:07:54.960
to ponder. But there were mystics
throughout time. Swedenborg, he wasn't Catholic,

950
01:07:54.960 --> 01:07:58.320
but he was a mystic that talked
to beings on other worlds. The

951
01:07:58.360 --> 01:08:03.199
Mormons believe in other worlds. There
are a lot of religions that incorporate beings

952
01:08:03.199 --> 01:08:08.519
from other worlds, the Hindu religion, the Muslim religion. So I think

953
01:08:08.679 --> 01:08:13.199
it doesn't have to totally destroy religion. But I think the religions are going

954
01:08:13.239 --> 01:08:18.399
to have to assimilate this disclosure reality. Whether these beings are from other worlds

955
01:08:18.439 --> 01:08:25.920
that are in space or other worlds
that are in other dimensions. Either way,

956
01:08:26.560 --> 01:08:30.960
they're going to have to deal with
the non human entity reality that they

957
01:08:31.039 --> 01:08:38.880
have the ability to categorize as angelic
or demonic or something else, neflin whatever.

958
01:08:39.159 --> 01:08:42.720
So I think the way religion handles
this is going to be very interesting.

959
01:08:42.960 --> 01:08:45.319
Another thing that happened in my childhood
that made me think, Wow,

960
01:08:45.399 --> 01:08:50.680
what an amazing synchronicity is. I
had my first job at an ice cream

961
01:08:50.720 --> 01:08:57.880
shop called Swanson's with a girl who
was very smart, and her father was

962
01:08:57.920 --> 01:09:03.039
a professor at the Universe of Southwestern
Louisiana, where I eventually went to college

963
01:09:03.279 --> 01:09:10.000
in Lafayete, Louisiana, and he
was famous because he had discovered planet X.

964
01:09:11.079 --> 01:09:14.520
This guy, her dad, John
Matisse m at E s E.

965
01:09:15.079 --> 01:09:16.479
And I knew that about him.
This was in the eighties and I knew

966
01:09:16.520 --> 01:09:19.520
that about him. I knew he
was famous for that, but I wasn't

967
01:09:19.520 --> 01:09:24.359
into aliens or space or anything back
then. So now I think back and

968
01:09:24.439 --> 01:09:27.960
I'm like, what if Planet X
is coming. What if Niberu and all

969
01:09:27.960 --> 01:09:31.439
that is happening, and what if
these elites that are trying to wrangle us

970
01:09:31.479 --> 01:09:39.399
into this tyrannical world, this wef
transhumanist enslavement. What if they're doing that

971
01:09:39.479 --> 01:09:45.520
because they know that something's coming,
that they're trying to strategize for themselves and

972
01:09:45.640 --> 01:09:48.039
take out a lot of us and
slave the rest before it happens, Like

973
01:09:48.079 --> 01:09:51.479
if it's a rogue planet, a
comet, some kind of you know,

974
01:09:51.880 --> 01:09:57.600
disaster related thing, extinction level event
kind of a thing. So I don't

975
01:09:57.640 --> 01:10:00.479
know, I don't know what's happening. All I know is that I went

976
01:10:00.520 --> 01:10:04.680
to this girl, Mary Mattisa's house
and her dad was John Matiz, who

977
01:10:04.720 --> 01:10:09.720
discovered planet X. So I think
that's really cool. So I just really

978
01:10:09.760 --> 01:10:15.159
feel like my whole life has been
putting this puzzle together, and I didn't

979
01:10:15.159 --> 01:10:17.920
even know it until I look back. Another influential person I met was David

980
01:10:17.920 --> 01:10:25.079
Ike in nineteen ninety seven. I
guess he came to LA to speak at

981
01:10:25.479 --> 01:10:28.960
an expo. I think it was
the Whole Life Expo back then, and

982
01:10:29.159 --> 01:10:31.119
I didn't know who he was,
and I was volunteering there at a table

983
01:10:31.159 --> 01:10:35.640
and he came up the stairs on
this mezzanine level of the hotel, and

984
01:10:35.880 --> 01:10:42.640
he had such a presence when he
walked up the stairs, and I mean

985
01:10:42.720 --> 01:10:45.000
he didn't even speak. He just
entered the room and I was, oh,

986
01:10:45.079 --> 01:10:47.920
my god, who is that person. It's like he had an invisible

987
01:10:48.079 --> 01:10:53.279
army with him. And he went
over to the speaker check in table and

988
01:10:53.520 --> 01:10:56.560
I couldn't hear what was happening.
But when he walked away, I went

989
01:10:56.600 --> 01:10:58.439
over there and I said, who
was that guy? Who was that guy?

990
01:10:58.439 --> 01:11:00.119
And they said, David Ike.
He's given a talk in such and

991
01:11:00.159 --> 01:11:02.319
such a room. And I said, can I be the room monitor in

992
01:11:02.359 --> 01:11:04.199
there? And they said okay,
and they signed me up to be the

993
01:11:04.279 --> 01:11:09.600
room monitor. So I was the
one checking people's tickets or wristbands or whatever.

994
01:11:09.680 --> 01:11:13.640
And I got to watch him do
his presentation and he had this book

995
01:11:13.640 --> 01:11:15.880
out and The Truth Shall Set You
Free. That was the book he was

996
01:11:16.479 --> 01:11:20.000
promoting at the time, and I
was blown away by him and I got

997
01:11:20.000 --> 01:11:24.279
the book and then you know,
that blew my mind. So it was

998
01:11:24.319 --> 01:11:30.199
about the Reptilians and all that.
And then later I through UFO magazine,

999
01:11:30.720 --> 01:11:34.640
I got to interview Arizona Wilder,
who was one of the people David Iike

1000
01:11:35.199 --> 01:11:40.920
mentioned as being a survivor of Satanic
ritual abuse. And she and I met

1001
01:11:40.960 --> 01:11:46.359
in this park in Malibu, Las
Virgines Park and we sat at a picnic

1002
01:11:46.399 --> 01:11:50.119
table and I interviewed her, and
I remember I was so scared of her

1003
01:11:50.319 --> 01:11:54.239
because of her story. It was
just so terrifying, and I was like,

1004
01:11:54.279 --> 01:11:58.640
I don't really want to be alone
with this poor lady in this park,

1005
01:11:58.840 --> 01:12:01.159
you know. I mean, I
just I really didn't want her story

1006
01:12:01.199 --> 01:12:03.760
to be true, because if it
was true, it was so terrifying.

1007
01:12:03.960 --> 01:12:06.520
I don't even think I wrote the
article. I think I just interviewed her

1008
01:12:06.640 --> 01:12:10.880
and I wasn't brave enough, or
maybe the magazine wasn't brave enough to do

1009
01:12:10.920 --> 01:12:15.800
the article. I've just met so
many interesting people through this phenomena, living

1010
01:12:15.800 --> 01:12:19.439
here in LA and then when I
was in Arizona as well. But we

1011
01:12:19.520 --> 01:12:25.159
will have to see how it all
shakes out. I at this point,

1012
01:12:25.239 --> 01:12:28.720
I'm busy acting. I'm busy,
you know, helping my husband with the

1013
01:12:28.760 --> 01:12:32.479
astrology business. And I still go
to church once in a while, not

1014
01:12:32.520 --> 01:12:38.920
as regularly, and I still pray, and I just am waiting. I'm

1015
01:12:38.960 --> 01:12:43.960
waiting and I'm speaking. I'm looking
for answers like everyone else, and I

1016
01:12:44.000 --> 01:12:45.840
really do think it's coming to a
head. So I wish us all the

1017
01:12:45.880 --> 01:12:53.039
best. The latest experience I've had
was Chris Bledsoe saying, Kamie, why

1018
01:12:53.039 --> 01:12:57.079
don't you just say, dear God, I'm willing to work with your angels

1019
01:12:57.560 --> 01:13:00.680
and see what happens. And so
I went outside and I just looked at

1020
01:13:00.720 --> 01:13:03.560
the sky and I it was at
night, and I was praying, Okay,

1021
01:13:03.560 --> 01:13:06.359
God, I'm I think I'm brave
enough to work with your angels,

1022
01:13:06.520 --> 01:13:11.279
but not anything scary, just like
the light beings. Please, and I

1023
01:13:11.319 --> 01:13:14.720
said, and I'm so scared.
You can show up as a UFO or

1024
01:13:15.479 --> 01:13:17.279
come to me in my dreams,
but if you come to me in my

1025
01:13:17.399 --> 01:13:19.960
face right here in the yard,
I think I'll have a heart attack.

1026
01:13:20.039 --> 01:13:24.000
So please don't do that right now. And I heard this owl hooting,

1027
01:13:24.640 --> 01:13:30.880
and owls figure a lot in this
phenomenon, as messengers and screen memories and

1028
01:13:30.880 --> 01:13:33.439
all kinds of things. That night, I went to bed and I was

1029
01:13:33.479 --> 01:13:38.039
trying to sleep, but I couldn't
sleep because Jeff was keeping me awake.

1030
01:13:38.119 --> 01:13:41.079
So I went into the guest room
and I was sleeping in there, and

1031
01:13:41.239 --> 01:13:45.520
I woke up from this dream.
I was having a dream where something was

1032
01:13:45.039 --> 01:13:49.920
in the bed in the guest room
with me touching my neck, poking at

1033
01:13:49.960 --> 01:13:54.920
my neck, and I thought,
Oh my god, are they here?

1034
01:13:55.479 --> 01:13:59.239
And I was afraid, and I
was too afraid to turn around. Look.

1035
01:13:59.439 --> 01:14:01.399
I was facing in the closet and
the way they were touching me was

1036
01:14:01.439 --> 01:14:05.399
like a doctor, wasn't like sexual. And I said, oh, my

1037
01:14:05.520 --> 01:14:11.439
god, are you here to heal
me? If you are, that's great,

1038
01:14:11.880 --> 01:14:15.159
And when you're done, could you
go down the hall and heal Jeff.

1039
01:14:15.239 --> 01:14:17.079
You know I mean, because we're
both you know, I'm in my

1040
01:14:17.159 --> 01:14:20.319
late fifties, he's in his early
sixties. We got some ailments, nothing

1041
01:14:20.319 --> 01:14:26.359
big, but and then in this
memory, I got brave enough to turn

1042
01:14:26.399 --> 01:14:30.319
around and look at whoever was touching
my neck. And when I turned around,

1043
01:14:30.479 --> 01:14:35.880
I saw these two guys, like
humans, with dark hair and beards,

1044
01:14:36.159 --> 01:14:40.880
and they were Caucasian. They stared
at me blankly, like, with

1045
01:14:40.920 --> 01:14:44.800
no emotion. And then I came
out of the memory, or I woke

1046
01:14:44.880 --> 01:14:48.279
up or whatever, and so I
don't know what that was, but it

1047
01:14:48.399 --> 01:14:51.960
was weird. And I remember texting
Chris the next day and saying, Chris,

1048
01:14:51.960 --> 01:14:56.520
do you think that was real?
Because you know it was right after

1049
01:14:56.520 --> 01:14:59.479
I made that prayer, And he
said, it does seem like it might

1050
01:14:59.520 --> 01:15:03.479
be real. Bea because you slept
in the guest room, Like maybe they

1051
01:15:03.520 --> 01:15:09.680
caused the disturbance that made you go
in the guest room so that they could

1052
01:15:09.680 --> 01:15:13.119
have you alone and work on you. I was like, yeah, maybe,

1053
01:15:13.199 --> 01:15:16.079
I don't know. It was weird
anyway, So I don't know what's

1054
01:15:16.119 --> 01:15:20.600
in store for me. I'm coming
out in a couple of documentaries this I

1055
01:15:20.640 --> 01:15:27.560
guess early twenty twenty four, one
with Caroline Corey called Closure, and one

1056
01:15:27.760 --> 01:15:31.960
is a new show for the CW
called The Alien Disclosure Files. You know,

1057
01:15:32.000 --> 01:15:35.880
I have some acting stuff on them
going on as well. And then

1058
01:15:35.960 --> 01:15:40.960
I'm also going to be in a
new show with Dan Akroyd on the History

1059
01:15:41.000 --> 01:15:45.199
Channel just as a reenactor. I
got hired to do a couple of reenactment

1060
01:15:45.800 --> 01:15:49.840
segments on this new show called The
Unbelievable with Dan ackroid They pick interesting subjects

1061
01:15:50.039 --> 01:15:54.239
that were mysterious and they reenact them. So anyway, I'm going to be

1062
01:15:54.279 --> 01:15:58.039
in a couple of those. But
I just keep acting, and I know

1063
01:15:58.119 --> 01:16:01.399
that I'm booked in a series about
fighting child trafficking, which is really awesome,

1064
01:16:01.600 --> 01:16:04.840
So I hope that that gets going
soon because everything was on hold due

1065
01:16:04.880 --> 01:16:09.800
to the strike. So there are
some things coming up that are amazing projects

1066
01:16:10.199 --> 01:16:15.119
that I'll be involved with if everything
goes well and happens. I just keep

1067
01:16:15.760 --> 01:16:17.760
trying to do my mission here,
which is to be a communicator. I

1068
01:16:17.760 --> 01:16:24.279
guess I just am going to use
my acting and my speaking ability to tell

1069
01:16:24.319 --> 01:16:28.840
my story or be in projects that
tell stories, you know, be useful

1070
01:16:28.880 --> 01:16:31.159
in that way, because that seems
to be what I do. I don't

1071
01:16:31.159 --> 01:16:34.399
know what else to do. I
don't have a science brain. I have

1072
01:16:34.439 --> 01:16:41.439
an artist brain. Fascinating stuff,
Camille, Thank you so many strange connections.

1073
01:16:41.760 --> 01:16:44.880
Well, that's what I think is
the most interesting. You know,

1074
01:16:45.000 --> 01:16:51.960
when we talk about military abductions.
Now obviously it's known as My Labs Mill

1075
01:16:53.079 --> 01:16:57.600
Labs Military abductions, and a lot
of time we're not really talking about the

1076
01:16:57.640 --> 01:17:01.399
military in general, but it's more
to do of contractors and off the record

1077
01:17:01.479 --> 01:17:08.600
projects, right, because it is
something which turns up time again in plenty

1078
01:17:08.600 --> 01:17:13.319
of my guests, and there is
a very dark side to it. It's

1079
01:17:13.359 --> 01:17:16.760
interesting that you said about a dream
that you had back in nineteen ninety one

1080
01:17:17.119 --> 01:17:21.239
at the rock Star House. Yeah, you don't remember if it actually was

1081
01:17:21.279 --> 01:17:26.960
a rock star or No. It
wasn't any rock star that was an actual

1082
01:17:27.039 --> 01:17:32.079
person that I knew from pop culture
or anything. It just seemed to be

1083
01:17:32.159 --> 01:17:38.039
a generic representation of a rock star. I wouldn't say that it was anyone

1084
01:17:38.239 --> 01:17:41.520
I would recognize as a person in
real life. Yeah, that's kind of

1085
01:17:41.520 --> 01:17:45.720
what I was getting. It's just
very strange that we have this connection with

1086
01:17:45.840 --> 01:17:49.880
the my labs, with the alien
abductions, with the human abductions, and

1087
01:17:50.039 --> 01:17:56.039
we have this connection to Satanism,
which is something which comes up time and

1088
01:17:56.079 --> 01:18:00.399
time again. It's very peculiar,
and it's something which isn't talked about enough.

1089
01:18:00.560 --> 01:18:01.359
I don't think, you know,
when people hear it, they kind

1090
01:18:01.359 --> 01:18:04.439
of making it up, making it
up. But unfortunately, this is something

1091
01:18:04.439 --> 01:18:09.119
which happens, and it's been happening
for a very long time. That's why

1092
01:18:09.159 --> 01:18:12.800
I bring it up, because even
though I have no conscious memory of being

1093
01:18:12.800 --> 01:18:16.720
involved in anything like that, that
one dream was so disturbing and it had

1094
01:18:16.760 --> 01:18:20.960
that physical effect on my you know, feeling like I was being attacked spiritually

1095
01:18:21.000 --> 01:18:25.920
through my solar plexus, and then
you read about all this stuff going on

1096
01:18:26.000 --> 01:18:28.600
in the world and you're like,
oh my god, that's really scary,

1097
01:18:28.760 --> 01:18:30.920
you know, and it seems to
be real, and you know, you

1098
01:18:31.039 --> 01:18:36.239
hear rumors about all these things being
related. That's what's scared me the most

1099
01:18:36.279 --> 01:18:42.119
about the my lab memory because it
just when you bring in the human element,

1100
01:18:42.319 --> 01:18:47.319
it's just frightening to think that anyone
could have control over your life and

1101
01:18:47.520 --> 01:18:53.119
compartmentalize your life in a way that
you don't remember things, because that opens

1102
01:18:53.159 --> 01:18:56.000
up such a huge can of worms. It's terrifying, you know. When

1103
01:18:56.039 --> 01:18:59.439
it comes to aliens, something you
can you can kind of work with,

1104
01:18:59.520 --> 01:19:01.399
but you're when you add in the
human element, it seems to be that

1105
01:19:01.399 --> 01:19:05.199
they're taking so much more these people, which in these positions they should be

1106
01:19:05.239 --> 01:19:09.479
the one protecting you. Yeah,
pay your tax dollars too, they're supposed

1107
01:19:09.520 --> 01:19:12.039
to looking after you, looking at
the security. They seem to be doing

1108
01:19:12.319 --> 01:19:15.439
this on the nation's people. Yeah, it's scary because then of course it

1109
01:19:15.479 --> 01:19:20.000
brings into the whole mk ulture of
mind control, and then that in turns

1110
01:19:20.079 --> 01:19:25.880
connects to child trafficking and in human
trafficking. Yeah, exactly. And you

1111
01:19:25.920 --> 01:19:30.760
know, to me, I see
the human trafficking problem as the greatest,

1112
01:19:30.079 --> 01:19:33.560
well one of there's so many now, it's like you can't even stack them

1113
01:19:33.560 --> 01:19:39.880
all in order of evil. But
that's so massive. Oh here's another weird

1114
01:19:39.920 --> 01:19:42.920
thing that relates to that. Right. So I was going to this church,

1115
01:19:43.199 --> 01:19:45.960
the Latin Mass here in La at
this church. We were in another

1116
01:19:46.000 --> 01:19:48.199
building now, in the tent,
you know, But before that, we

1117
01:19:48.199 --> 01:19:54.079
were at the church in West Hollywood
as kind of a guest organization in their

1118
01:19:54.079 --> 01:19:59.600
building. Okay. So the director
of Sound of Freedom and the actor in

1119
01:19:59.680 --> 01:20:06.000
Sound Freedom who plays the wealthy guy
who finances the sting operation in other words,

1120
01:20:06.079 --> 01:20:13.239
Alejandro Monteverde, who's the director,
and Eduardo Veresteggi. I think that's

1121
01:20:13.279 --> 01:20:15.960
how you say his last name.
He's the actor who's now running for president

1122
01:20:16.000 --> 01:20:21.079
of Mexico. Eduardo is They both
were going to my church sometimes, and

1123
01:20:21.159 --> 01:20:25.760
I met them and talked about Sound
of Freedom when they were filming it,

1124
01:20:26.279 --> 01:20:29.520
and I was so excited about it, and you know, I knew that

1125
01:20:29.880 --> 01:20:33.399
was real as a problem. I
had been following Operation Underground Rescue, Tim

1126
01:20:33.479 --> 01:20:40.039
Ballard and all that, and I
just I was so excited for them,

1127
01:20:40.079 --> 01:20:43.439
and then the movie took so long
once they filmed it to come out.

1128
01:20:43.560 --> 01:20:45.920
You know, there were all these
problems with getting it out into the world,

1129
01:20:45.960 --> 01:20:48.560
and I'm so happy when it finally
came out. And I remember too,

1130
01:20:48.920 --> 01:20:51.680
this is a funny story, when
I was doing when COVID hit and

1131
01:20:51.720 --> 01:20:55.920
everything shut down, right, I
was onto that, Like I knew from

1132
01:20:55.960 --> 01:20:58.279
the beginning. I was like,
this is some kind of scam, right,

1133
01:20:58.319 --> 01:21:00.960
I'm not afraid of this, and
I wouldn't get there, you know

1134
01:21:00.039 --> 01:21:02.760
what. And I went out and
I was I was like, I'm not

1135
01:21:02.760 --> 01:21:05.039
going to sit in my house and
be afraid. I'm going to go work.

1136
01:21:05.159 --> 01:21:10.199
So I got a job doing door
dash like delivering food, right because

1137
01:21:10.239 --> 01:21:12.479
I was like, I literally cannot
sit in my house and do nothing.

1138
01:21:12.520 --> 01:21:15.439
I'm gonna go crazy. So I
was delivering food to people in this nice

1139
01:21:15.479 --> 01:21:19.159
part of town, Thousand Oaks,
and there are a lot of wealthy people

1140
01:21:19.159 --> 01:21:23.399
out there, and it's really pleasant
and beautiful and you know, it's easy

1141
01:21:23.439 --> 01:21:27.359
to park and everything. So I
knew Jim Cavizl lived out there. I

1142
01:21:27.439 --> 01:21:29.640
knew Gary Sonicsee lived out there,
and I was like, you know,

1143
01:21:29.800 --> 01:21:32.920
my dream is I'm going to deliver
some kind of food to Gary SNEeSe or

1144
01:21:32.960 --> 01:21:36.039
Jim Cavizel. That's gonna that's my
goal while I'm doing this crazy job.

1145
01:21:36.920 --> 01:21:41.439
My gee. So one day I'm
driving around delivering food and I see this

1146
01:21:41.520 --> 01:21:45.600
guy on the side of the road
next to a motorcycle and he's talking on

1147
01:21:45.640 --> 01:21:47.479
this phone and I look. I
mean, I drive and I look and

1148
01:21:47.520 --> 01:21:49.279
I'm like, oh my god,
I'm god, My God, my god.

1149
01:21:49.399 --> 01:21:53.439
And it was Jim Cavizel. It
was Jim Covizel standing on the side

1150
01:21:53.479 --> 01:21:56.319
of the road talking on the phone
next to a motorcycle. And I remember

1151
01:21:56.399 --> 01:21:59.880
thinking that is too weird. And
I went home and I googled. I

1152
01:22:00.159 --> 01:22:03.960
googled Jim Covizel in motorcycle and all
these pictures came up, and sure enough,

1153
01:22:04.000 --> 01:22:06.199
he rides motorcycles and I was like, yep, that was him.

1154
01:22:06.319 --> 01:22:13.760
And then I ended up bringing a
pizza to Gary Sinize's house. It was

1155
01:22:13.880 --> 01:22:16.560
like, see, I'm able to
manifest meeting these people that I like,

1156
01:22:16.600 --> 01:22:21.520
I've met sting many times. Anytime
I get really attracted to some person and

1157
01:22:21.560 --> 01:22:26.359
I want to meet them, I
meet them. I've met Mel Gibson I've

1158
01:22:26.399 --> 01:22:30.880
met Nicole Kidman and Tom Cruise,
anyone that I met, Rutger Howard,

1159
01:22:30.960 --> 01:22:33.359
like Shirley McClain. All these people
that I would have a thing for and

1160
01:22:33.439 --> 01:22:36.680
be very interested in, I would
meet them. So it's just interesting.

1161
01:22:36.760 --> 01:22:42.279
The power of intention is real,
and that's what I'm trying to learn,

1162
01:22:42.399 --> 01:22:45.399
is like to not be in fear
and to change my vibration and all this

1163
01:22:45.520 --> 01:22:48.920
and you know, vibrate a better
reality for myself. That's what I'm working

1164
01:22:48.920 --> 01:22:53.800
on. It's really hard because my
nature is very detective like, and you

1165
01:22:53.800 --> 01:22:58.039
know, I'm always looking on dark
stuff, but I'm trying to control my

1166
01:22:58.159 --> 01:23:00.439
thoughts. Like I have to balance
all this dark stuff, right, I

1167
01:23:00.439 --> 01:23:03.199
mean, don't we all? Golly? So I have to go and like

1168
01:23:03.319 --> 01:23:09.000
listen to you know, positive music
and go out in nature a lot and

1169
01:23:09.279 --> 01:23:12.760
stuff like that, go to the
gym because otherwise, I mean, it's

1170
01:23:12.800 --> 01:23:15.279
just crazy times that we're living in. You know, I think we're more

1171
01:23:15.319 --> 01:23:18.680
in control of our realities than we
realize. I think we end up we

1172
01:23:18.720 --> 01:23:23.479
have a habit of boxing ourselves in. We are capable of so much more

1173
01:23:23.800 --> 01:23:27.039
we are, and it's just been
a wild ride. I mean, every

1174
01:23:27.159 --> 01:23:30.000
even all the little jobs I had, you know, like catering. I

1175
01:23:30.000 --> 01:23:33.359
would be working in these mansions and
these big Hollywood parties and seeing all this

1176
01:23:33.359 --> 01:23:36.359
stuff, and I was I was
coming out at like a conspiracy theorist,

1177
01:23:36.520 --> 01:23:41.399
right. Every time I would be
in a situation. I did presidential dinners.

1178
01:23:41.479 --> 01:23:44.560
I had to follow Chelsea Clinton around
with a silver tray with the Diet

1179
01:23:44.600 --> 01:23:45.680
seven up on it. For two
days. I was in the room with

1180
01:23:45.720 --> 01:23:51.680
Clinton, all these people, and
Clinton and Kevin Spacey at Rob Reiner's house

1181
01:23:51.840 --> 01:23:55.439
by the way. So you know, I was like always thinking like a

1182
01:23:55.520 --> 01:24:00.720
David Ike reader. I'd be in
some house with some fancied and I'm like,

1183
01:24:00.760 --> 01:24:02.640
oh my god, he's got a
Masonic black and white checkerboard floor,

1184
01:24:03.039 --> 01:24:05.279
and he's got this, and he's
got that, and look at his book.

1185
01:24:05.319 --> 01:24:09.720
I was such a spy. I
was just always like keeping my eyes

1186
01:24:09.800 --> 01:24:13.199
open, putting together the pieces.
You know, you work in Hollywood,

1187
01:24:13.319 --> 01:24:16.880
and you know it's known as being
hollyweired. Yeah, do you find because

1188
01:24:17.159 --> 01:24:21.359
you are an outsider because you weren't
born You weren't born in California, and

1189
01:24:21.399 --> 01:24:24.920
he weren't born in that and he
weren't born into it, right, do

1190
01:24:24.960 --> 01:24:28.439
you think it's it's different for you? Do you do you notice that strangeness.

1191
01:24:28.720 --> 01:24:31.239
I have heard stories. I mean, even if you're not born into

1192
01:24:31.239 --> 01:24:34.359
it, if you come here and
you climb the ladder, you know,

1193
01:24:34.439 --> 01:24:39.560
eventually you get approached by the cult. Basically, It's what I keep hearing,

1194
01:24:39.960 --> 01:24:42.119
and I'm like, I don't want
to ever get to that point.

1195
01:24:42.199 --> 01:24:45.079
I don't want to be so famous
that I get roped into the cult,

1196
01:24:45.119 --> 01:24:47.239
you know what I mean. I
don't mind being a very low level actor

1197
01:24:47.680 --> 01:24:53.000
for that reason. I've I talked
to a makeup artist girl who said that

1198
01:24:53.079 --> 01:24:59.159
she's been approached several times to literally
sign a paper to sell her soul for

1199
01:24:59.359 --> 01:25:02.239
a product line, and turned him
down. So you know, I don't

1200
01:25:02.239 --> 01:25:06.079
ever want anyone bringing me to some
party and drugging me and getting me to

1201
01:25:06.119 --> 01:25:12.039
sign a paper to sell my soul. Right, So I'm very cautious about

1202
01:25:12.079 --> 01:25:15.439
my career. I guess it's the
best way I can put it, and

1203
01:25:15.479 --> 01:25:20.079
I do try to, you know, be savvy about things like that,

1204
01:25:21.600 --> 01:25:26.479
because I would rather, you know, quit, move away than get myself

1205
01:25:26.520 --> 01:25:29.520
in any kind of situation like that. Obviously, of course, I mean

1206
01:25:29.560 --> 01:25:33.479
I'm friends with che Luff and I've
asked him, but he won't talk about

1207
01:25:33.479 --> 01:25:38.079
anything like that at all. Well, that's very interesting. He's such a

1208
01:25:38.119 --> 01:25:41.640
fine actor and he's you know,
he had this father from Louisiana, where

1209
01:25:41.640 --> 01:25:45.079
I'm from, and then he just
he played Padre Pio and had this big

1210
01:25:45.119 --> 01:25:49.720
Catholic conversion. So I'm very interested
in him. I really loved his film

1211
01:25:50.039 --> 01:25:56.920
Honeyboy. It was very moving,
so quite spectacular. Actually, so that's

1212
01:25:56.920 --> 01:26:00.239
interesting that you know him. So, you know, I try to find

1213
01:26:00.319 --> 01:26:04.159
people that I think are good people
and contact them or get to know them.

1214
01:26:04.479 --> 01:26:09.079
I mean, like sitting next to
this guy in this meeting at the

1215
01:26:09.119 --> 01:26:14.560
Hollywood Disclosure Alliance and finding out he
you know, he produced Taxaw Ridge.

1216
01:26:14.560 --> 01:26:17.000
I was like, wow, I
love mel Gibson. That's great. Wow,

1217
01:26:17.079 --> 01:26:20.439
you know, and even saying you
love Mel Gibson is like a you

1218
01:26:20.479 --> 01:26:25.880
know, could get you canceled in
this town. So it's just very complicated

1219
01:26:25.960 --> 01:26:29.439
as you could imagine. Yeah,
no, I agree. Actually, when

1220
01:26:29.479 --> 01:26:31.399
you're in the UK, you were
in Wiltshire, and now that is just

1221
01:26:32.159 --> 01:26:36.640
that's just ten miles away from from
where I'm from. I spent time down

1222
01:26:36.720 --> 01:26:41.680
in Wiltshire because when I was researching
back in the mid nineties. We would

1223
01:26:41.720 --> 01:26:45.359
go down to the crop circles down
there. It was so beautiful. Yeah,

1224
01:26:45.399 --> 01:26:48.479
Gloucestershire a lovely part of the world. And as for Sting, now,

1225
01:26:48.720 --> 01:26:51.720
I had a guest on and he
was a photographer in La tell me

1226
01:26:51.720 --> 01:26:55.720
about when he was working with Sting
and all that kind of stuff. And

1227
01:26:55.880 --> 01:27:00.000
we were recording on Skype like we
are now and finished and none of this

1228
01:27:00.000 --> 01:27:03.239
stuff is is connected up to my
Facebook or my phone or anything. And

1229
01:27:03.279 --> 01:27:08.359
then for the next week, all
I got was adverts for Police albums and

1230
01:27:08.399 --> 01:27:12.159
Sting albums and you name it.
That's so weird, it's so strange.

1231
01:27:12.399 --> 01:27:14.840
Just goes to show the mic on
your phone. Well, you know.

1232
01:27:14.920 --> 01:27:18.319
And I'm so paranoid about mind control
and CIA and everything. Like even knowing

1233
01:27:18.359 --> 01:27:25.720
that Stuart Copeland's brother and father were
in the CIA in the Middle East and

1234
01:27:25.760 --> 01:27:30.039
he grew up in the Middle East
made me wonder. When I read Preston

1235
01:27:30.119 --> 01:27:34.399
Nichols book about using mind control through
music and the music industry, Yeah,

1236
01:27:34.439 --> 01:27:39.680
it made me think, I wonder
if they put mind control frequencies in the

1237
01:27:39.720 --> 01:27:43.640
Police albums to make me fall in
love with seeing and buy more records.

1238
01:27:43.920 --> 01:27:45.439
But you know, when you know
that they can do that, then it

1239
01:27:45.439 --> 01:27:50.319
makes you wonder, like has that
been done for this band that has CIA

1240
01:27:50.399 --> 01:27:55.119
connections? It makes you wonder that
is true and it wouldn't surprise me.

1241
01:27:55.319 --> 01:27:58.720
But then again, you know,
please were a great band exactly, so

1242
01:27:58.760 --> 01:28:01.079
you're like, were they just awesome
or do they have an extra advantage in

1243
01:28:01.119 --> 01:28:03.840
some kind of secret technology? Who
knows? Well, I'm sure you know

1244
01:28:03.880 --> 01:28:09.199
a lot of these musicians they do
try an experiment with different things to see

1245
01:28:09.239 --> 01:28:12.760
how they can, you know,
kind of get a foothold. I'd imagine

1246
01:28:12.800 --> 01:28:15.319
who knows. I just don't trust
anything. I have such trust issues,

1247
01:28:15.319 --> 01:28:18.800
it's ridiculous. Oh, you don't
need to tell me. And there is

1248
01:28:18.800 --> 01:28:23.159
certainly an interest with abductees contact ees. I think a lot of it is

1249
01:28:23.159 --> 01:28:28.520
they want to know how and why
people are being connected with extrastrials or interdimensions

1250
01:28:28.600 --> 01:28:31.640
or whatever. There is definitely a
big interest. So when it comes to

1251
01:28:31.680 --> 01:28:36.239
all this disclosure, it's very strange
because if we have full disclosure, then

1252
01:28:36.279 --> 01:28:41.640
obviously this stuff will eventually come out
because there's only so long that truth can

1253
01:28:41.680 --> 01:28:44.439
be hidden, right, And what
I wonder is, well, you know,

1254
01:28:44.479 --> 01:28:46.199
They're always going to shape the narrative
in some way. And will we

1255
01:28:46.239 --> 01:28:49.479
ever get the real truth? And
will we ever have justice for people who

1256
01:28:49.560 --> 01:28:54.359
were criminally acted upon? Because it
would be nice. I mean, if

1257
01:28:54.399 --> 01:28:58.119
I'm on a list as a my
lab target and that list is discovered and

1258
01:28:58.159 --> 01:29:01.279
there's some kind of class action,
that would be really nice, just saying

1259
01:29:01.479 --> 01:29:04.720
to have justice. You know,
I completely agree with you. The biggest

1260
01:29:04.720 --> 01:29:09.039
problem is in what you see in
with Epstein and all that. You know,

1261
01:29:09.119 --> 01:29:12.279
the reason why it's not coming out
is because there's too many people involved,

1262
01:29:12.319 --> 01:29:15.199
and these people they have so much
control, they're able to control what

1263
01:29:15.399 --> 01:29:21.159
goes out, so very strange times, very strange, very interesting times,

1264
01:29:21.399 --> 01:29:24.800
you know, like you've done with
yourself. You know, it's important that

1265
01:29:24.880 --> 01:29:29.319
people come out and share these experiences
because there is so many there is,

1266
01:29:29.439 --> 01:29:31.680
There is so many. I can't
personally keep up. And the more people

1267
01:29:31.760 --> 01:29:34.479
come out then that brings you know, I'd have a guest on and I'd

1268
01:29:34.520 --> 01:29:38.279
then bring another five people out.
You know, I heard so and so

1269
01:29:38.399 --> 01:29:41.319
on on the show. You know, now I'm ready. Just yesterday I

1270
01:29:41.439 --> 01:29:44.479
got contacted by a woman and she
was very nervous. And it's been nearly

1271
01:29:44.520 --> 01:29:46.079
a year and a half since you
first contacted me. And she said,

1272
01:29:46.119 --> 01:29:48.359
the more I hear, the more
you know, I want to I want

1273
01:29:48.399 --> 01:29:50.840
to come forward. Well, I
was just talking to a girl before I

1274
01:29:50.880 --> 01:29:55.159
got on the on the call with
you, because she happened to calm me

1275
01:29:55.199 --> 01:29:59.560
because she's has interesting stories and things
happening to her in Kentucky. And I

1276
01:29:59.680 --> 01:30:01.399
was telling I said, you should
check out this podcast I'm about to do

1277
01:30:01.520 --> 01:30:04.720
because they have a form where you
can submit yourself to be a guest,

1278
01:30:04.920 --> 01:30:08.560
and you know, could do it
and you don't have to be on camera.

1279
01:30:08.840 --> 01:30:11.840
You could even use a fake name, I guess if you want,

1280
01:30:11.920 --> 01:30:15.039
if you're that nervous, because she
hasn't ever gone public, but she's a

1281
01:30:15.119 --> 01:30:18.039
nurse and so yeah, so I
can tell her that that she can go

1282
01:30:18.199 --> 01:30:23.399
onto your form and put in a
submission to be a guest. Absolutely.

1283
01:30:23.560 --> 01:30:26.680
I mean, I'm not on YouTube
for obvious reasons. The reason why I

1284
01:30:26.800 --> 01:30:30.600
use predominant audio is because it gives
people a chance to share it and not

1285
01:30:30.760 --> 01:30:35.840
have to worry about what their friend's
family or even peers finding out. Because

1286
01:30:35.840 --> 01:30:40.680
I do have a lot of people
from that have scientific backgrounds and have some

1287
01:30:40.920 --> 01:30:45.399
very professional careers which are completely indifferent
from this subject. It's more important that

1288
01:30:45.479 --> 01:30:48.439
we hear these accounts. Sometimes we
do change names than it makes people feel

1289
01:30:48.680 --> 01:30:51.840
a little bit more more comfortable,
you know, the more the area great.

1290
01:30:53.079 --> 01:30:55.439
I'll tell her how fun it was, and that it's, you know,

1291
01:30:55.600 --> 01:30:57.760
something she can do if she gets
brave and wants to do it.

1292
01:30:57.920 --> 01:31:00.359
And I'll tell others too, you
know, I go all these support groups

1293
01:31:00.399 --> 01:31:04.000
and stuff. Yeah, please do
that. Because you're very confident and open

1294
01:31:04.119 --> 01:31:08.800
person, people gravitate towards you.
And then when you'll share anyse stories and

1295
01:31:08.840 --> 01:31:13.319
then they bring out their stories.
I'm fortunate because I can go to a

1296
01:31:13.399 --> 01:31:15.439
barbecue or a bar whatever, and
then someone asked me what I do,

1297
01:31:15.760 --> 01:31:18.800
and I tell them, and then
before I know it, that then telling

1298
01:31:18.880 --> 01:31:24.039
me about their experiences. See,
so it will have fun. Yeah,

1299
01:31:24.119 --> 01:31:26.760
so I tell people, you know, don't worry about people looking at you

1300
01:31:26.920 --> 01:31:29.960
like a crazy person. Talk to
people about it. In fact, we

1301
01:31:30.119 --> 01:31:31.279
know, the first time you meet
someone, say to him, you know,

1302
01:31:31.439 --> 01:31:33.880
have you ever seen a UFO or
a ghost? Yeah, you'll be

1303
01:31:33.920 --> 01:31:39.000
surprised what people will tell you exactly. Yeah, I should have my husband

1304
01:31:39.079 --> 01:31:42.720
do a show because he's seen a
lot of UFOs. He had telepathic encounters

1305
01:31:42.800 --> 01:31:45.359
with them. He was chased by
one on his motorcycle that stalled his motorcycle

1306
01:31:45.399 --> 01:31:47.880
and he had to sleep at the
neighbors and then the next day it started

1307
01:31:47.960 --> 01:31:53.239
up fine. He used to see
them coming out of lakes in Wisconsin when

1308
01:31:53.279 --> 01:31:56.199
he was a kid. He grew
up at Way northern Wisconsin, and he

1309
01:31:56.279 --> 01:31:59.840
saw Bigfoot up there too once.
So he's seen a lot of things.

1310
01:32:00.199 --> 01:32:02.640
Yeah, wel Camille, you know
I don't just cover UFOs. I cover

1311
01:32:02.960 --> 01:32:09.319
just about everything. Cool. You
give Jeff that link and when he's got

1312
01:32:09.399 --> 01:32:13.680
time, Camille, I really appreciate
you coming on sharing that for our listeners.

1313
01:32:13.840 --> 01:32:15.159
Oh I had a wonderful time.
Thank you so much. It was

1314
01:32:15.239 --> 01:32:18.479
great. Bye bye bye bye.
Take care yourself. That is all for

1315
01:32:18.600 --> 01:32:23.680
this week. Keep updating and connected
with a show on x, Facebook and

1316
01:32:23.920 --> 01:32:26.920
Instagram. And if you've had an
encounter that you'd like to share on the

1317
01:32:27.000 --> 01:32:31.720
podcast, you can email me at
UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com, or

1318
01:32:31.880 --> 01:32:36.239
you can reach out to me via
the contact page on my website UFO Chronicles

1319
01:32:36.319 --> 01:32:41.279
podcast dot com. A big thank
you to Camille for sharing tonight and as

1320
01:32:41.279 --> 01:32:45.760
always thank you all for listening.
I will be back next week. Till

1321
01:32:45.880 --> 01:33:15.359
then, stay safe and keep watching
us guys. Goodbye, S