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All right, Jason, The bloodline storyline

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took some major twists and turns at
Night of Champions and then SmackDown Less Friday.

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They pop a big two point five
plus million viewership number on Fox,

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and they even are promoting it heavily
on Raw, which you know, we

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didn't see a lot of, especially
you know, after the brands but or

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the redraft, we sort of thought, well, they'll be less less of

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it. But they're cross promoting on
Raw SmackDown. I think they kind of

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our shark that smells blood in the
water, in the sense of, we

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got something good going here, let's
make sure everybody knows about it. The

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acting, I think the performances of
everybody last Friday especially was so good.

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They're onto something really special here,
and I think they know it. I

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don't recall a storyline like at this
level in a very very long time.

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Well, if you can recall one, please let me know what it was.

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Well, i'd think wrestling advance.
You know, wrestling changes over time,

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so there's nothing that has this much
acting. Like you know, is

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the Bloodline the best faction in wrestling
history? Absolutely easily, Yes, unless

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you personally have a favorite. That's
different, you know what I mean.

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But I think if you step back
and go, is are they doing better

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work than the Four Horsemen? Well, I would say Rick Flair is a

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better inner, is a better promo
interview guy than anybody in that group.

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And I might argue Paul Hayman included, but it's it's close. But the

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dynamic between everybody in the interplay as
good as Flair playing off Atli and Arne

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was, and Arne was really good
and totally played his role really well,

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and the rotation of others this is
a This is a much more compelling dynamic,

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and it's changing, and it's more
of a soap opera. The nWo,

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of course, captured a moment in
time and Hall and Nash and Waltman

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and Hogan and everybody else who got
added and subtracted. That was great,

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and that'll be in the conversation as
the best faction. But to me,

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I mean, whatever individual part is
better in another faction collectively this bloodline is

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setting a new standard. I don't
think wrestling fans will want to admit it,

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but this is the ultimate thumbs up
for writers, It really is.

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This is not let's go out there
and wing a promo. Let's let's work

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on a promo in the car and
go out there and do it. This

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is television writing, and it's it's
very good television writing. It's not an

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endorsement for all things, you know, using creative team members for everything or

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anything like that, but I think
people no point of tend to need to

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stop and acknowledge the fact that that's
what this is. It's a very good

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version of a creative team or creative
people doing their part, and it's not

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just the talent that's cutting promos.
And it's interesting, you know, because

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it comes at a time when all
this started not long after I think many

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of us were like, thank goodness, aw is going to get rid of

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it, this creative approach to things
and have wrestlers cut their own promos.

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And I still think the answer to
everything lies somewhere in between the two models.

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But I think this is just extremely
well done and I don't think that

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it would be happening if it were. This couldn't happen in any other era

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before. Now it's just good.
No, I agree, And in defense

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of those who are against the writers, and I'm much more open to a

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pro wrestling infrastructure that includes writers than
some people. But sort of like a

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brand split, Well, you got
to do the brand split well for me

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to endorse it to world titles.
Well, you got to do it well

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for me to not at least hate
it. UM. So the writers have

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to be good at what they do. But the this is Paul Hayman,

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Roman Reigns and the USOS and Sammy
was helping UM and Solos to code Michael

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Michael Hayes. And then I know
Paul in a I don't know his GQ

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or where it was for it or
something. You did an interview with them

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and he named one specific writing team
member UM who was integral in this too.

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And they collectively work hard on this. And you know, I've used

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the Young Bucks as my example,
UM to contrast, which is, you

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know, I think the elite with
Kenny and Hangman in the Bucks, if

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they put if they had one or
two people off camera who were helping,

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and then they spent as much time
and mental energy and studying the business and

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and and putting just like a density
of time elbow grease throughout the week into

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what they're going to do each week. On Dynamite they could be doing.

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I don't They're not gonna be at
the Bloodline level probably, I mean,

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I've just put it lightly, but
they could be doing a lot more.

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But I don't get the sense that
that's what's happening with them and so and

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this isn't to pick on the Bucks
and Kenny. They have different strengths.

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Everybody does, but you should the
Bloodline have sort of set the bar high

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in terms of they're not just showing
up and winging it. You know,

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Steve Asson would make the case,
you know, five years ago when I

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would do podcasts with them a lot. You know, oh, call it

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in the ring. You know,
everyone should know how to call it in

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the ring. And I think that's
good. But we are kind of past

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that point from a TV production standpoint
where that's enough. Like I noticed last

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night on Raw, it's like,
why are you showing her from behind?

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Oh? Because she's about to grab
someone's leg running the ropes. That's why

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the camera was right there. Everything
is planned out to give you the best

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camera angles, and that's what has
refined over twenty years. Like this is

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a longer than that, but they
really started knowing the beats and the rhythm

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of when to take commercial breaks and
where camera guys should be and shouldn't be.

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That stuff is a pretty well oiled
machine right now, production wise,

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And it was only a ew really
coming along that made wwwe's polish stand out

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even more because you realized how slowly
over time they got really good at what

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they do. Now we can argue
there's some things that offset it, like

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jigglie cameras, announcers saying it's gonna
be a title change, giving away that

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it's not the new thing that I
noticed last night. I've noticed before,

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but they did it last night,
and it's newers giving credit to the losing

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wrestler or team right about right before
they're gonna lose. So they'll go like,

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oh man, they put up a
really good fight in this match.

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No matter what happens, you got
to give them credit, and like,

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okay, thirty second, coundo until
they lose. So there's things they do

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that by rote that are just like, no, it's too predictable. But

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there is a better product when it
goes well, when you put the kind

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of time and creative energy and effort
into planning things out. And clearly that's

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happening with a bloodline, and it's
not with a Bucks and Can and again,

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and I'm picking on them because like
they have different strengths and everybody does,

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and I'm not there's not a lot
of people who could be at the

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beloved line level. But I am
curious how much better would AWB if they

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did have a really strong team on
the creative side working with the wrestlers to

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polish what they do more fason,
I think they would benefit when this whole

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concept of aw and not having creative
team members and all of that started.

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I just remember talking about it probably
on this show and other shows that you're

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gonna tell me, if you come
across somebody who has all the tools except

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for one, they're not a good
promo. They're not going to come up

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with good stuff on their own.
Oh sorry, you're on your own.

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No, of course not. You
need to bend for certain people. And

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again, I think the answer is
somewhere in between. I think that in

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WWE, the talent, many of
them are overproduced and they get handed.

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Yeah, I mean we all know
sucker and suck it ta and just some

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of the awful things that we've seen
over the years. I do think it's

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because aw's come along. Not only
has it made things the Polish stand out,

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but it's also made WWE raise their
game. I think they. I

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mean, it's night and day now
with Cody Rhodes compared. You know,

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you look at what he was doing
in AW and the struggles that he was

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having, and now he's in that
system. Right, assume he still has

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quite a bit of input into what
he's doing, but I think he has

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people that he has to get things
cleared with, perhaps or he's bouncing ideas

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off of people. People are giving
him the feedback that he needs to eliminate

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certain things that are going to cool
him off. And yeah, I think

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that AW would benefit not even I
mean, I'll take it a step for

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it's not just the elite, because
I'm with you on that, I think

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they should be doing more. But
I also look at Blackpool Combat Club and

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I feel like they could benefit in
some way. Moxley is doing his thing.

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You know, Danielson doesn't ever sound
truly believable as a heel, and

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I think that's an ongoing issue.
He's fun, but I don't really sense

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like this is some diabolical guy,
and it could somebody, a producer or

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creative forces help bring that out of
him somehow, someway, I don't know.

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Claudio stands there, Muda stands there, and I'm embellishing a little bit.

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I mean, they say a few
words here and there, but it's

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not like there's this great dynamic between
them either. It almost feels like whatever

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is there is kind of left over
from the Daniel Brian character that we knew

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and the gosh, I've already forgotten
his name, the Dan Ambrose character to

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some extent, you know, Moxley'
is a expanding quite a bit. But

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I do think some of those characteristics
still live on, and that's why they

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stand out a little bit more than
maybe. I mean, Claudio never really

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had a persona in WWA. He
was too Swiss. But yeah, I

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just feel like if boy, if
you put the right people with them,

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they're willing to listen. I think
both factions are examples of groups that could

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benefit from just having different people,
different types of people involved, And I

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think expanding what they do with creative
and that's great. I think more than

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anything I eat have you need somebody
to work with even more so than this

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the storytelling aspect, stretching things out, knowing when to hit high points and

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just different things rather than what we're
getting from them. It's been better,

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but it's still the storytelling is a
week spot for them and just getting repsent,

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Like, I mean, you're not
going to be great. And I

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do wonder not to get into the
psyche the young Bucks too much, because

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it's possible they're like, screw at
Tony con pulled the rug out from our

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creative process after just a few weeks, and we're just gonna, you know,

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give him good matches but nothing else. I remember halland Nash telling me

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when Bishop fired Waltman Sean Waltman to
get back at them. Scott and Kevin

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Bolt told me in torch Stock interviews, well that's when we stopped doing anything

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extra and just did the bare minimum
because we you know, Eric did that

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and we resented him, and so
you know, we showed up for working

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on our paycheck, but we weren't
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in different directions. Some would go, well, that good because they were

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sabotaging other people. But my point
is they're at a two was screw it?

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And I do wonder with the Bucks
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you know, they're not going to
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fifteen years if they do that.
But I do wonder if part of them

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is like, we're not going to
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know, like I mean, we
like him, we like him all enough,

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but he kind of screwed us over
and we don't feel part of the

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team. We're not going to do
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no idea, never heard that's the
case. I throw that out there more

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as a sort of caveat to criticism
of them for not having it in them.

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They just might not want to go
to the trouble because they're financially set,

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and if Tony doesn't want it and
has rebuffed it, then maybe they

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just sort of disconnected a little bit. That doesn't change my opinion, and

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I think we saw a glimpse of
it last Wednesday with Don callis that there's

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so much potential in aw that is
untapped with more granular attention to detail,

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more time in the creative process,
and we're seeing the result of it in

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WWE. I also think that Jericho
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the things we're talking about that are
strong with the bloodline, the dynamic with

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especially like Daniel Garcia when he was
not comfortable with Chris Jericho and some of

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the things that was being asked of
him, and we got some subtle acting

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and little responses where you were rewarded
as if you were for paying attention,

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and unfortunately they just had a hot
baby face on their hands and then they

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just turned him heat a laboratorily again
and kind of ruined it. But the

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journey that he went on, as
I recall, it was on the higher

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end of a w in terms of
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TV that felt well planned but also
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mean, do you think there's a
chance that we start to see a different

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approach with Collision or are you kind
of anticipating and more of the same.

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I have no reason to believe it's
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but I don't rule it out either, because when you're adding two hours

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of primetime programming, and it sounds
like they got to deliver good ratings because

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the next TV deal is going to
be in part based on what happens to

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viewership to Dynamite when there's now two
more hours a week and how Collision does

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on Saturday nights because it's this was
not part of some big grand billion dollars

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five six year deal as had been
talked about, And if you do the

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math, it makes sense that they
would get a billion, five year,

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billion dollars plus deal when you look
at what they're getting paid now, what

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is getting paid, what the marketplace
says, and if you add two more

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hours to it plus some content on
Max, it made sense that they would

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get that big deal. Well,
they didn't announce it. They didn't get

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it Tony concept in the last medi
Q and A that you know the deal.

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The Collision deal runs as long as
Dynamite, which is the end of

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this year, plus a one year
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So when you say, well,
will they do things differently for Collision,

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maybe maybe there's a maybe this is
a kick in the ass because demo

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ratings are down, Viewership is down
now they're going to water it down even

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more with the new show, and
Tony's not talking about it explicitly. He

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is admitting that he's trying to be
vague purpose about a number of things,

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and more power to him. Well, I'd say more power to him on

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not talking about things lawyers say he
shouldn't and allowing wrestling fans who want to

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know everything ahead of time, allowing
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in that. In that, in
that scope, I'm okay with it.

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There's other things where I wish we
got more. Um So, I would

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say that pressures on to make this
work, and I would argue, if

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I were within a w one of
the things that we need to do is

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add more creative minds and put more
time in on creative on these shows.

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Mike Mansuri is from WWE has been
really pushing for changes, and I've heard

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good things about him um in what
he wants to do. And Chris Jericho's

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been been everywhere, he's seen it
all and he's got Tony's ear. But

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they just need more people putting in
more time on creative and um maybe maybe

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that will show up, So I
don't rule it out. I don't rule

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it out. I think we'll see
some things with whatever see him Punk is

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doing, he's gonna I think he's
gonna be heavily invested right in his own

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creative and so that's a right mind
you're adding to that mix. How involved

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he is and what others are doing
remains to be seen. I hope we

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see something. I just don't need
another two hours of mostly matches and in

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some cases very minimal build up.
I think we need some real storytelling.

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They need hooks. I always talk
about it, cliffhangers between the shows,

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just something when you know if you
can struggle with that. Obviously, if

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there's going to be if there's not
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sure if there is a brand split, then it's a little tougher to hear

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the cliffhanger type things. But you
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float. You can do something like
that occasionally, just something to get people

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in the habit or get excited.
Like you leave Wednesday night, man,

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I can't wait for Saturday instead of
Oh, here's this whole other universe of

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wrestlers, and I'm as he Saturday, I'll just stick with Dynamite, Aloha,

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PW Torch dailycast dot com. Cheers. I'm curious with Sampunk getting more responsibility,

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what he comes up with and does
he have people he leans on for

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creative input? What do you do? You have a sense of his philosophy

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on the business booking wise, I
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pro wrestling type and I think a
Steel will certainly have input even if he's

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not at the buildings. And I
think that you go back to what they

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were doing and Ring of Honor.
I know it's been a long time now,

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but I think that's kind of his
sensibilities, is that that approach with

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some of the Summer of Punk and
different things he was doing, and obviously

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he's evolved along the way with the
career in life that he's had. But

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I don't think it's wacky sports entertainment
or anything like that. I think it's

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going to be more gritty pro wrestling. Yeah, So I'm excited to see

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what he comes up with, what
he does when given some power or some

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influence or some input at least,
and I'm curiously what what Tony Khan does

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with it. Jason, Let's actually
we have an email on CM Punk and

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I want to since we're talking about
them, I want to get to that,

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and then I actually want to go
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to talk about the potential matches for
Roman and the timing of that. And

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The other voice you hear on the
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Wrestling dot Net and the Pro Wrestling
Boom podcast. He has been joining me

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on the flagship for well since the
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now joins me every three weeks and
it is great to have him. We

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have a lot to talk about.
Jason, how's it going. It is

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going well. The weather is kind
of improved. I don't. Depending on

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your perspective. When are you a
heat guy, I'm a don't complain about

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the weather person, because no matter
about it a lot. So when you

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actually get it nice and you gotta
think it's prass, you know absolutely,

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Like you know, everybody thinks it's
the hottest or coldest it's ever been at

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the time of year that they're miserable, and like, you know, I

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looked it up and it's like it's
super hot and early two and two years

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ago it was even hotter. This
is exact same week. So like I'm

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just everybody around me knows I'm not
a fan of being a victim of the

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weather and complaining about it. I
know it's small talk sometimes and sometimes it's

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it's scorching you know where sometimes it's
you know, twenty degrees below. I

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mean I get it in that in
that sense, but um but to me,

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it's like, just go enjoy the
outdoors, even if you're gonna sweat

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a little bit or be a little
cold, distress appropriately take your shirt off.

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Damn it, there you go.
I just read an article, Um

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I think was it in I don't
know what came up on my phone,

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So I just clicked on it.
Um, it's that when when should you

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take your shirt off in public?
For me, the answer is never,

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Well, that's what I say.
The answer isn't. When is it appropriate?

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The question is who? And so
all you gotta do is walk up

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to somebody and go, should I
take what? Would you? Would you

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mind if I took my shirt off? And if they gag a little bit

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or they laugh the your answer is
no. But if they look up and

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look you up and down and go, yeah, take your shirt off,

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then you don't take your shirt off
anywhere you want know anyway. So when

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I say addressed appropriately, I mean
appropriate for the weather, but also appropriate

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for the circumstances like if you're if
you're working a subway and the air conditioner

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is broken, don't take your shirt
off while making sandwiches. You gotta you

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gotta tough out. Yeah, that
would not be a good thing. By

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the way, I do blame you
for the writer's strike. Oh why Oh,

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because I said I want to catch
up? Yes, yes, yeah,

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all the talking about wanting. I
think some network executive or whoever's in

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charge of this heard you and said, let's let the man catch up.

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Let them strike, you know,
what I'm I'm seriously, I'm fine.

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It's like if they stop making movies
for seven years, then I you know,

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I could catch up on all the
movies. I'm behind one too.

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It's just too much. Stop me. I'll support the writers, obviously,

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but I get what you're saying.
Good because I have fallen so far behind

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and stop writing books, wrestling books
and otherwise. I've like hundreds of years

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of books to catch up on that
I want to read. I walked through

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my house. I have bookshelves full
of books. But I was excited to

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read when I bought them, and
I can't. Haven't had time to read

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them. So stop writing books,
people too. Just let's pause all create

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of endeavor so I can catch up. I think that's fair. In fact,

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there's a lot of episodes of Impact
I haven't watched. So if if

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wrestling goes on strike, you know, I can just start a couple of

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years back on Impact and work my
way through while everything gets sorted up.

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Oh, I'm gonna say, oh, we're talking modern impact, because if

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it's TNA no no, no,
no, put yourself through that. No

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no more more modern impact? U
Yeah? Stuff there? Yeah, I

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mean I haven't watched much UFC compared
to you know, in the earlier years,

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So I mean if UC shut down, I'd be like, oh,

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I'll just go on the go on
the network and march through all the shows,

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or have Todd Martin tell me which
ones to skip and watch. Anyway,

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it's a it's a it's an embarrassment
of riches when it comes to entertainment

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options. And now Apple has come
out with this this Apple Vision Goggle thing.

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Did you see that yesterday? Jason, I've saw it. I really

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haven't dove in to really get a
field for it yet. I mean it's

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cool. It's like thirty five hundred
dollars and I know people were like,

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what why you can't charge that much
for that? It's crazy. Like I

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watched The Reason Asian last night while
doing some work, and it's like it's

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a computer and you can have like
prescription lenses added to it. It's not

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attached your iPhone like the whole computers
built in it. You can just walk

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around u if you it follows your
eyes. So if you look at something

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in your augmented reality vision of your
of your room, if you just look

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at it and then you just touch
your fingers together. It's like double clicking

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on a mouse, but it knows
where you're looking. So if you look

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at an app in this augmented reality
through the goggles, but you can also

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see the room you're in at the
same time, which is crazy. You

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can like, look at oh,
I want to launch maps, and you

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look at it, and the goggles
know you're looking at it, and then

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you tap your fingers together and it
launches maps. Marcus Brownly did a review

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of it, and he was just
like, this is crazy. It's like

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it's like I'm not amazed by magic
much, but this is like sorcery.

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It's magic. So it's pretty cool. So we have a whole new thing

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to explore. In other words,
if if all creativity shuts down, although

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you know, I'm just gonna go
to the Apple Store play with it.

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I'm not going to buy it.
There you go and people like if you're

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up in arms about the thirty five
hundred, that's for the people that have

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to be first, just exactly.
The price will go down. Yep,

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yep. I mean then that's that's
how tech works. But it is it

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is going to bring more people into
the Apple Store because people are going to

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want to put those on and uh
and see what it's like. They it

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seems like they really did it,
did it right Now that I learned more

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about it, I'm not sure if
someone gave it to me for free that

405
00:27:25.319 --> 00:27:27.279
I would use it, Like it's
not like what I needed in my life

406
00:27:27.319 --> 00:27:32.000
but what they have done. But
maybe I would. But what it's actually

407
00:27:32.039 --> 00:27:34.640
what's cool is they show people on
airplanes, which if I flew a lot,

408
00:27:34.960 --> 00:27:37.680
I might consider it like or tell
my boss to buy it for me,

409
00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:44.359
because you can sit in an airplane
and then have this essentially large screen

410
00:27:44.480 --> 00:27:49.359
movie experience with uh, you know, Bob that your air pods in and

411
00:27:49.799 --> 00:27:52.680
it looks like you're in a movie
theater watching a big movie and you can

412
00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:56.079
turn your head to the left or
to the right and the screen just follows

413
00:27:56.119 --> 00:27:59.960
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back to back to us. Let me

436
00:29:45.160 --> 00:29:48.160
read that that CM punk email.
Julian from London says, I have for

437
00:29:48.200 --> 00:29:52.880
actions to sempunk turn out to be
negative. Can you be turned into Aw's

438
00:29:52.920 --> 00:29:55.920
top heel or would it be the
wrong type of heel heat? I'd love

439
00:29:55.920 --> 00:30:00.880
to hear your thoughts. What have
you made of the way Tony has unveiled

440
00:30:00.880 --> 00:30:04.720
the seampunk announcement over the course of
three weeks more probably not by design but

441
00:30:04.880 --> 00:30:10.000
by necessity, which was initially we
have a new show next week. It's

442
00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:11.640
going to be a United Center following
week. Oh see, mpunk is gonna

443
00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:15.440
be there, and the crowd reactions
have been mixed for Punk, some cheers

444
00:30:15.440 --> 00:30:18.400
and some booze. It seems like
fans have taken sides. Imagine that Jason

445
00:30:18.400 --> 00:30:23.079
polarized a polarized fan base. Is
that something where Tony's in trouble because people

446
00:30:23.079 --> 00:30:30.200
are gonna go I'm I'm a collision
guy or I'm a dynamite guy like you,

447
00:30:30.200 --> 00:30:33.759
you're sort of choosing the elites,
the Elite show or the Punk show,

448
00:30:33.079 --> 00:30:36.680
and not a like sort of principle
they only watch one or the other

449
00:30:36.759 --> 00:30:44.079
because it's baked in that they are
rivals and or is are enough people anti

450
00:30:44.079 --> 00:30:48.359
Punk were actually just go Pat and
have him go heal and he actually might

451
00:30:48.400 --> 00:30:52.279
be more interesting and he might have
more event genuinely, and we've seen his

452
00:30:52.559 --> 00:30:56.000
kind of wild eyed, crazed meltdown
zone. If he can get into that

453
00:30:56.079 --> 00:30:59.039
mode more often like he did at
the media Q and A after all out

454
00:30:59.119 --> 00:31:02.400
last year, he can be He
can be a great heel. So where

455
00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:06.480
are you on Julian's question? Give
him a muffet and see what happens when

456
00:31:06.480 --> 00:31:11.920
it comes to the heel work.
But it sounds to me like you would

457
00:31:11.960 --> 00:31:17.200
really like there to be maybe teams
of five having an elimination match for brand

458
00:31:17.240 --> 00:31:22.240
supremacy at AW They might end up
in that in that place, but no,

459
00:31:22.519 --> 00:31:25.839
please please, no, no color
code of T shirts. Yeah,

460
00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:30.839
it's an interesting one. I think
so much of it hinges on what Punk

461
00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:34.480
says, how he handles himself in
the initial promos I think right now.

462
00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:38.039
I mean they were in San Diego. I don't I'm not great on California

463
00:31:38.119 --> 00:31:42.440
geography, but I consider it young
Bucks country to some extent, just being

464
00:31:42.759 --> 00:31:48.559
in California, with them having rich
there and the crowd was mixed, maybe

465
00:31:48.640 --> 00:31:52.759
it's actually encouraging that it was more
of a split reaction than unanimous booze for

466
00:31:52.839 --> 00:31:56.079
Punk. I'm not sure I like
that AW didn't hide from it. I

467
00:31:56.079 --> 00:31:59.599
was kind of worried we're gonna get
that WWE treatment where you hear the booze,

468
00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:01.359
but they only show the people cheering. It started that way, but

469
00:32:01.400 --> 00:32:07.240
then they started showing some almost down
people too. I think that the tricky

470
00:32:07.319 --> 00:32:12.880
part for AW right now is that
if you're going to have the Elite and

471
00:32:13.079 --> 00:32:19.160
CM Punk as baby faces and you
can't get them to at least coexist on

472
00:32:19.279 --> 00:32:23.039
camera for fifteen seconds to pretend that
everything's all right, then fans are going

473
00:32:23.079 --> 00:32:29.440
to choose sides, and it is
limiting your baby face appeal if that happens.

474
00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:31.359
So I don't sit here and say, well, you have to turn

475
00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:35.599
Punk heel because of it, because
I think you just as easily could have

476
00:32:35.680 --> 00:32:38.039
turned the elite heel because of it, and things seem to be going okay

477
00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:42.519
with them as baby faces right now. And if you're Tony Kahn, I

478
00:32:42.559 --> 00:32:45.920
think part of the reason you wanted
Punk on this show was to be the

479
00:32:46.039 --> 00:32:51.319
baby face face of your brand.
And if you take that away, who

480
00:32:51.480 --> 00:32:54.640
is it? And yeah, I
mean there's other candidates, but I think

481
00:32:54.680 --> 00:32:59.680
you at least have to the fact
they're in Chicago to start tells me that

482
00:32:59.720 --> 00:33:02.200
they at least want to try this
out with him as a baby face and

483
00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:05.640
see where it goes. But punks
versatile and if they need him to be

484
00:33:05.680 --> 00:33:08.640
a heel, I'm sure he'll have
no problem doing it. If Punk gets

485
00:33:08.640 --> 00:33:14.759
booted in Chicago, man, that's
I mean, what's gonna do. First

486
00:33:14.799 --> 00:33:16.559
of all, I mean I still
think part of the meltown where he lashed

487
00:33:16.559 --> 00:33:22.400
out against Hangman and undercut Tony and
all that was based on the fact that

488
00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:25.519
Chicago was chatting of Jaff after Punk
won the title. I mean, I

489
00:33:25.519 --> 00:33:29.519
don't know where I'm Jaff is with
the Chicago fans now versus last year,

490
00:33:29.680 --> 00:33:32.839
last fall, But I just don't
rule anything out. It's gonna be it's

491
00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:37.359
gonna be fascinating. And you know
this notion that, oh, people are

492
00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:39.640
going to be more into seeing CM
Punk fight Kenny Omega or the Bucks because

493
00:33:39.640 --> 00:33:44.240
they know they really don't like each
other. I mean, it's true,

494
00:33:44.440 --> 00:33:49.759
but I still think just I don't
know. I just don't want to go

495
00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:52.319
back to that, Like the thing
that I get, people aren't always gonna

496
00:33:52.319 --> 00:33:54.759
get along, and there's gonna be
personalities who don't get along. What I

497
00:33:54.759 --> 00:34:00.960
don't. I'm just not a big
fan of when something real turns into we're

498
00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:05.279
going to pretend it's still real in
order to try to convince you that what

499
00:34:05.319 --> 00:34:08.840
we're doing is more real than everything
else happening on the card. Yeah,

500
00:34:08.840 --> 00:34:14.519
and I don't I just I want
a really good, self contained story told

501
00:34:14.519 --> 00:34:17.679
with people yelling and screaming on promos
or talking softly, not yelling and screaming.

502
00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:21.719
What am I talking about? UM? I want to see really compelling

503
00:34:21.719 --> 00:34:24.519
promos getting me interested in matches with
titles that matter and our valued. And

504
00:34:24.639 --> 00:34:28.440
it's sort of a structure where it
seems like, you know, there's there's

505
00:34:28.480 --> 00:34:31.199
some semblance of order to trying to
figure out who the best wrestler is and

506
00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:36.000
settle feuds and if you throw into
that. Oh, but this viewed is

507
00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:38.480
real, then all the other ones
seemed fake, and I just don't think

508
00:34:38.480 --> 00:34:42.079
that's worth it. I don't think
that's worth it. And that's why,

509
00:34:42.199 --> 00:34:43.960
you know, that's why I know. I mean, I talk to people

510
00:34:43.960 --> 00:34:45.800
in b who are like, who
thought, you know, Punk's pipe on

511
00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:49.599
promo? They got white people were
buzzing about it, but they don't think

512
00:34:49.599 --> 00:34:52.079
it's a great promo because it's somebody
breaking the fourth wall and breaking all the

513
00:34:52.159 --> 00:34:55.119
rules that every other wrestler has to
abide by. So you know, like

514
00:34:55.119 --> 00:34:58.000
that, well, if I was
allowed to go out and say stuff like

515
00:34:58.039 --> 00:35:00.960
that, maybe I wouldn't be as
believable or as good as Punk was with

516
00:35:01.039 --> 00:35:04.679
you know, because that one of
the reasons it worked is that sort of

517
00:35:04.760 --> 00:35:07.000
his authentic self. But they're sort
of like, if you give me that

518
00:35:07.159 --> 00:35:10.320
kind of freedom, I can go
and make news too. And it made

519
00:35:10.360 --> 00:35:15.320
everything else. I mean, I'm
that excuse only goes so far with me.

520
00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:17.519
It's like especial circumstances. Punk was
the right guy to do it.

521
00:35:17.559 --> 00:35:22.840
You weren't get over it, and
I think the argument was, let's not

522
00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:27.599
call this a good promo on the
same way we rank good promos because everyone

523
00:35:27.639 --> 00:35:31.800
else is constrained by cannon, by
narrative structure, and that was their argument.

524
00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:35.039
It's like, I can cut a
great progressing promo, and I believe

525
00:35:35.079 --> 00:35:37.920
I do every week see them.
Punk didn't cut a progressing promo. He

526
00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:44.000
cut a shoot tape rant, and
so they just wanted to categorize differently.

527
00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:45.880
It's kind of the argument, like, you know, if I go out

528
00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:49.480
and speak my mind about things that
people don't even know we're on my mind

529
00:35:49.519 --> 00:35:52.079
that I could vent about, it
would make as much news and people go,

530
00:35:52.119 --> 00:35:53.239
oh my god, that was so
great and they talk about it for

531
00:35:53.360 --> 00:35:55.599
years. That was sort of the
thing. But it's like, what you

532
00:35:55.639 --> 00:35:59.320
want to see Punk do, and
I'll apply this to twenty twenty three.

533
00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:02.000
I want to see un go out
there and not allude to insider stuff.

534
00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:07.280
I want him to go out there
and convince me in the canon of a

535
00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:10.880
E. W collision that there's something
really important he's fighting for and there's a

536
00:36:10.920 --> 00:36:15.599
force opposing him that we should be
rooting him for him to overcome, or

537
00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:19.199
rooting for them to stop him,
and just tell that compelling story within the

538
00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:22.239
narrative narrative structure. Don't start thinking, well, we got something we can

539
00:36:22.239 --> 00:36:24.960
work with here. It's like,
I don't like the MGF contract expiration thing.

540
00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:28.679
I'm going to go to w B. It's like, I don't like

541
00:36:28.760 --> 00:36:30.360
that because I just I want to
know that the fight I'm watching now is

542
00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:35.639
what matters, and we got that
with Darby, Sammy and Jungle Boy.

543
00:36:36.199 --> 00:36:39.199
I'm not saying it's was the best
build of the last five years or of

544
00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:42.920
this year. Even for a match. It wasn't, but it was a

545
00:36:45.039 --> 00:36:49.039
I give I think there was restraint
in how much meta stuff they did.

546
00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:51.800
You know, Sammy can't help himself
sometimes. Jungle Boy just doesn't even know

547
00:36:51.800 --> 00:36:53.880
if sometimes when he's doing it or
not because of the generation he's grown up

548
00:36:53.920 --> 00:36:57.599
in and all of that. But
for the most part, it was I

549
00:36:57.760 --> 00:36:59.679
want to beat MGF because he's a
jerk, and I want to be world

550
00:36:59.760 --> 00:37:01.599
champ in and I've been on this
journey and I think I'm good enough,

551
00:37:01.639 --> 00:37:06.239
and it's like, that's it.
That's what wrestling is. It's about creating

552
00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:09.559
likable and unlikable characters and telling a
story where they fight within some sort of

553
00:37:09.800 --> 00:37:14.400
structure that everyone agrees to to find
out who the better person is, and

554
00:37:14.480 --> 00:37:16.360
you either like or dislike someone,
and then they have to be great athletes

555
00:37:16.400 --> 00:37:19.679
to tell the good story in the
rank. I don't need all this stuff

556
00:37:19.679 --> 00:37:22.079
that breaks the fourth wall. I
know some people live for that. I

557
00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:25.599
just disagree that's actually what people want. I think they want that when they're

558
00:37:25.599 --> 00:37:29.440
not getting good, good, compelling
stories otherwise. But look at the Bloodline.

559
00:37:29.679 --> 00:37:35.400
Nobody's calling for any sort of insider
references to how Solo SKOA doesn't really

560
00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:37.039
like Paul Hayman in real life,
but they have to. That's not part

561
00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:39.159
of the story they're telling. But
you can tell they're going to go there

562
00:37:39.159 --> 00:37:42.960
someday, like no, no one's
and that's not true, but no one's

563
00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:49.760
going there because the story is so
well told. No exactly. Yeah,

564
00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:53.559
I get the audiences appeal for it, and I've said too that I feel

565
00:37:53.559 --> 00:37:58.719
like, Okay, let's say there
was some match involving Punk and members of

566
00:37:58.800 --> 00:38:02.840
the Elite. It'd be fun once, but that's just it once it happens,

567
00:38:02.840 --> 00:38:07.519
Like, Okay, they're working together
no matter what happens in that match,

568
00:38:07.559 --> 00:38:09.519
as long as they don't just shoot
start beating the hell out of each

569
00:38:09.519 --> 00:38:14.360
other, Like this is back to
being a regular wrestling thing, which isn't

570
00:38:14.400 --> 00:38:20.440
a bad thing. I get the
appeal of it, but I just I

571
00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:23.480
don't know. I think people overestimate
the appeal. People were thinking like this

572
00:38:23.639 --> 00:38:27.440
is the only way to sell out
Wimbley as a sixth man with FTR and

573
00:38:27.480 --> 00:38:30.599
punk against the elite. No,
it's not. No, And I mean,

574
00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:35.400
we're seeing that they've done tremendously well
with those tickets. They've done better

575
00:38:35.400 --> 00:38:37.880
than I anticipated them doing. I
get them all the credit for that.

576
00:38:37.880 --> 00:38:42.159
That's awesome, but I didn't feel
like it was that match or bust.

577
00:38:42.320 --> 00:38:45.079
Now. I just never felt like
that. I totally agree. And I

578
00:38:45.079 --> 00:38:49.480
also think you can get in the
wrong state of mind as a promoter,

579
00:38:49.559 --> 00:38:55.760
as a booker, and as wrestlers
if you think telling made up fictional storylines

580
00:38:57.519 --> 00:39:04.280
isn't the epit Doing that well is
not the epitome of your occupation of your

581
00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:08.800
creative genre, because it is people
looking around the corner or looking to capitalize

582
00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:13.159
on what is an endless stream of
people not getting along behind the scenes that

583
00:39:13.199 --> 00:39:15.800
sometimes fills over into the public eye. If you think that's how you're really

584
00:39:15.800 --> 00:39:20.199
gonna pop business, you're going to
take your eye off the ball, which

585
00:39:20.239 --> 00:39:23.639
is you should do what the ho
Kogan, Randy Savage, Elizabeth's story.

586
00:39:23.639 --> 00:39:28.239
You should be you know, the
Megapowers. You should be telling the story

587
00:39:28.280 --> 00:39:31.840
of staying versus the nWo. You
should be talking about Rick Flair versus carry

588
00:39:31.880 --> 00:39:36.719
Von Eric. You should be striving
for free birds against Von Eric's Nick Bockwinkel

589
00:39:36.760 --> 00:39:40.400
against Hokoga, Nick Bockwinkel against burn
ganya on and on all the way through

590
00:39:40.400 --> 00:39:47.239
the Bloodbine and Sammy tell those more
conventional stories in the in the rama pro

591
00:39:47.280 --> 00:39:51.800
wrestling. That's what we're all here
for. And I don't see it as

592
00:39:52.119 --> 00:39:54.119
this bonus to pop business. I
see it as something that gets in the

593
00:39:54.159 --> 00:40:00.480
way of focusing on what you're in
control of always, which is building up

594
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:02.599
strong hale, strong baby faces,
strong overall characters of a bond with the

595
00:40:02.599 --> 00:40:07.400
audience and telling great stories where they
get settled in the ring and if you

596
00:40:07.480 --> 00:40:09.000
just get hung up on oh but
this is going to be real. I

597
00:40:09.320 --> 00:40:13.679
like in the two thousands, it
was like, especially after the Montreal screw

598
00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:15.760
Job, the whole thing with Brett
and Vince, everybody wanted to trick the

599
00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:20.280
internet fans, the smart fans,
the newsletter fans, whatever, into thinking

600
00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:22.519
something was more real than it was. And it's like, I just to

601
00:40:22.599 --> 00:40:28.199
me, that's just a distraction,
and it's it's an insecurity within the locker

602
00:40:28.320 --> 00:40:30.880
room with the bookers and the writers
going telling a great fake story isn't good

603
00:40:30.960 --> 00:40:39.400
enough. We need to fool people, or a fake rivalry won't be as

604
00:40:39.440 --> 00:40:44.800
good as a real rivalry. And
to me, it's like just whatever story

605
00:40:44.800 --> 00:40:46.920
you tell should be great, whether
it's real or not. And that extra

606
00:40:47.000 --> 00:40:51.880
that comes with it being real comes
with baggage, and it can get in

607
00:40:51.880 --> 00:40:54.119
the way of all these other things. I don't it doesn't mean steer clear

608
00:40:54.159 --> 00:40:57.960
of anybody fighting who's really opposed to
each other. I think CM Punk and

609
00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:00.880
Kenyo Maka could have a great main
event for AW. But you should have

610
00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:05.239
that match, I would argue,
regardless of real life heat, because you

611
00:41:05.239 --> 00:41:07.280
think you can tell a really good
story with those two, whether it resembles

612
00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:10.960
reality or not. And I know, you know, Todd Martin, you

613
00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:14.280
know, makes a compelling case.
The other way, which is in the

614
00:41:14.320 --> 00:41:16.679
modern era, people know this stuff
and it adds a little spice to things,

615
00:41:16.760 --> 00:41:20.960
and and it's it's a it's a
you know, it's it's a shot,

616
00:41:21.079 --> 00:41:24.800
it's a you know, it's a
it's a shot of adrenaline to wrestling

617
00:41:24.800 --> 00:41:30.199
booking when something feels more real.
I just am not for bookers just roaming

618
00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:36.480
around looking for things to exploit,
to fool the smart fans or capitalize on

619
00:41:36.840 --> 00:41:38.519
real life, because I do think
sometimes it ends up being clunky, like

620
00:41:38.559 --> 00:41:42.239
we saw with MJF last year.
Yeah, And I think part of the

621
00:41:42.239 --> 00:41:45.760
reason that Omega and Punk, for
example, would be a desirable match for

622
00:41:45.760 --> 00:41:49.760
people is right now, it feels
like they're forbidden fruit. You don't feel

623
00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:52.719
like you're going to get that,
and so if it ends up happening,

624
00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:54.679
naturally people like, my god,
we're getting this. This is great.

625
00:41:55.360 --> 00:41:59.719
It to me, it feels more
because of that that they don't expect it,

626
00:42:00.400 --> 00:42:02.559
that it would be a big deal, more so than Okay, these

627
00:42:02.559 --> 00:42:07.679
two had issues before it factors in, and I think if that match were

628
00:42:07.679 --> 00:42:14.400
ever announced, I think the initial
reaction wouldn't be for most people that wow,

629
00:42:14.440 --> 00:42:15.440
how's this gonna go. I think
they would know, Okay, they're

630
00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:19.000
on the same page. It's gonna
go, you know, probably gonna go

631
00:42:19.000 --> 00:42:22.199
smoothly. They'd start to think about
that as we got closer and as they

632
00:42:22.199 --> 00:42:28.519
started firing comments at one another and
promos and things. I think it does

633
00:42:28.599 --> 00:42:30.960
give it a little jolt, but
I'm with you in that I don't know

634
00:42:31.000 --> 00:42:36.400
that it's really worth it either.
If there's let's say, see him punk

635
00:42:36.519 --> 00:42:40.440
didn't get along with, I don't
know. Pick one of the Iron Savages

636
00:42:40.840 --> 00:42:45.400
are We're gonna do that match too, just because no people don't want to

637
00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:50.599
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651
00:43:54.280 --> 00:43:57.360
team because I don't want to stray
out from that too much, and I

652
00:43:57.360 --> 00:44:00.159
want to get my thoughts briefly on
this, which is I think if fans

653
00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:04.280
are booing seampunk and he can't win
them over, that's a problem. If

654
00:44:04.280 --> 00:44:06.840
you're gonna portray him as a baby
face, and I think you want your

655
00:44:06.880 --> 00:44:09.880
fans, your fan reaction aligned with
the stories you're telling. That was a

656
00:44:09.920 --> 00:44:14.239
problem with John Seen and Roman Arrange
for so long. You want, you

657
00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:15.079
know, you can say, oh, at least they're reacting, and I

658
00:44:15.079 --> 00:44:17.960
know there's a whole you know,
that was the whole thing in Debt to

659
00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:20.800
B when scene was getting booed.
It's like, oh, it ain't any

660
00:44:20.800 --> 00:44:22.320
reaction. It's good reaction, but
it's a consolation prize. It's better than

661
00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:25.159
no reaction. But the best reaction
is everybody cheering. Everybody booing, because

662
00:44:25.159 --> 00:44:29.760
that's how you're steering fans. So
to me, if Punk's gonna be a

663
00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:31.440
baby face, you've got to get
fans on his side, and you don't

664
00:44:31.480 --> 00:44:37.159
want to play up that the baby
face Kenny in the Box are battling the

665
00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:40.559
baby face CM Punk in its pick
sides because you know, Jason, there

666
00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:45.159
are people who are pro aw anti
or vice versa, and the last thing

667
00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:49.440
you want to do is create a
situation where fans are like, I'm only

668
00:44:49.480 --> 00:44:52.440
a dynamite guy, I'm only a
collision guy, I'm a punk guy,

669
00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:54.119
I'm anti elite, or I'm elite, I'm anti punk. I think you

670
00:44:54.119 --> 00:44:59.159
want to steer away from that and
just pull people in with great promost,

671
00:44:59.199 --> 00:45:01.639
great stories, great wrestling. And
Punk is mega talented. There's a reason

672
00:45:01.679 --> 00:45:05.000
he got to be as big of
a star as he was. If he

673
00:45:05.000 --> 00:45:07.559
can stay healthy in his mid forties
and he's and he can be motivated and

674
00:45:07.599 --> 00:45:13.000
engaged and he hasn't you know that
time hasn't passed him by or creatively,

675
00:45:13.079 --> 00:45:16.440
he's too mummed up emotionally to just
tell good stories. If he can be

676
00:45:19.480 --> 00:45:23.000
what made him special in the first
place, then then just do that.

677
00:45:23.119 --> 00:45:25.599
I think he can win people over
that way, you know, Like so

678
00:45:25.840 --> 00:45:29.079
if there is some booze, I
just think, get a good, strong

679
00:45:29.119 --> 00:45:30.239
heel opposite of him and have him
cut a good baby faced promo, and

680
00:45:30.280 --> 00:45:32.320
I think he can turn those boots
to cheers and people go, oh,

681
00:45:32.360 --> 00:45:37.199
this is why I watch wrestling in
Punk's good enough, I think to win

682
00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:40.239
fans over who are booing him,
as long as aw doesn't play into the

683
00:45:40.320 --> 00:45:45.000
real life stuff with the elite,
and as long as Punk doesn't take it

684
00:45:45.079 --> 00:45:47.000
personally initially and start to say things
that are just going to trigger more of

685
00:45:47.039 --> 00:45:52.320
a heeler response to him. What
makes you think could possibly do that?

686
00:45:52.480 --> 00:45:54.719
No, I'm care. Yes,
that's the thing. There's all kinds of

687
00:45:54.760 --> 00:46:01.719
caveats, caveats with punkum that that
aren't unique to him but are absolutely pronounced

688
00:46:01.920 --> 00:46:06.360
with him that aren't necessarily the case
with everyone else. But he's not the

689
00:46:06.400 --> 00:46:09.119
only one who would take it personally
or you know, be rattled or whatever.

690
00:46:09.960 --> 00:46:15.840
We've we've seen that before. So
I mean, if Punk goes heal,

691
00:46:15.960 --> 00:46:19.760
they absolutely need to fortify the baby
face side of collision, And we

692
00:46:19.800 --> 00:46:22.599
just don't know, you know,
how the roster Division's going to go and

693
00:46:22.679 --> 00:46:27.280
Tony's being coy about it, and
that's his progative, and I don't have

694
00:46:27.360 --> 00:46:30.000
any issue with him doing that,
especially if it's a work in progress.

695
00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:32.000
He's still trying to figure it out. You think we'll have another major announcement

696
00:46:32.079 --> 00:46:39.480
next Wednesday? Um? I mean
maybe. I mean if it's if it's

697
00:46:39.559 --> 00:46:44.039
if it's relevant, I'm okay with
it. Just make sure it's big.

698
00:46:44.880 --> 00:46:46.679
I mean, you know, I'm
not a video game guy, but I

699
00:46:46.679 --> 00:46:50.159
mean, I think announcing a video
game qualifies as a big announcement. I

700
00:46:50.199 --> 00:46:53.920
think announcing Collision and united to think
there's other people that can make these announcements.

701
00:46:53.920 --> 00:46:57.440
Well there is that he's gotten better. Yeah, we'll give him that,

702
00:46:57.719 --> 00:47:01.840
but it just it it's a bit
money, yeah yeah? Um?

703
00:47:04.320 --> 00:47:08.880
All right? So if Punk is
on Collision as Day's baby face, but

704
00:47:08.920 --> 00:47:15.719
there is more of a roster divide. Is there is Punk a strong enough

705
00:47:15.800 --> 00:47:22.280
centerpiece lead act to make this work
fighting Powerhouse, Hobbs as a heel on

706
00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:28.960
rod A as a heel um?
Who else was on that initial press oh?

707
00:47:29.119 --> 00:47:32.760
Merom, Although sometimes are gonna cheer
Miro if they try to make Merro

708
00:47:32.920 --> 00:47:36.719
heel in Punk a baby face,
they better But that's you know, Mero

709
00:47:36.880 --> 00:47:37.800
might be if if they're on a
good page with Mero, and I know

710
00:47:38.039 --> 00:47:40.599
Andrade, you know, it was
reported he didn't want to be lined up

711
00:47:40.599 --> 00:47:44.880
outside Tony's office, and Mero had
some issues with you know what, was

712
00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:46.400
it a bottle royal or something with
the way he's booked. It's like,

713
00:47:46.519 --> 00:47:49.480
at some point Tony's gonna, you
know, go you work for me,

714
00:47:49.519 --> 00:47:52.239
Here's what I want you to do, and like, you know, have

715
00:47:52.239 --> 00:47:55.199
have that kind of respect from from
the wrestlers and and I that's not my

716
00:47:55.239 --> 00:47:59.199
problem to solve, but at some
point, you know, he's got to

717
00:47:59.199 --> 00:48:01.480
go wait a second here with me
or not and communicate more, not just

718
00:48:01.519 --> 00:48:06.480
freeze people out. You know,
I don't know what how the marcol stumping

719
00:48:06.519 --> 00:48:07.639
was resolved, but Marco's like,
Tony won't talk to me and it won't

720
00:48:07.639 --> 00:48:09.519
book me, and I don't know
why. It's like, you got to

721
00:48:09.559 --> 00:48:14.000
talk to people. I think if
he asked around the locker room he would

722
00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:17.199
have known why. But yeah,
it is an issue. And I'm hoping

723
00:48:17.320 --> 00:48:22.679
that Tony at fifty's forty now at
fifty's going to be very different in the

724
00:48:22.719 --> 00:48:27.800
way he handles thing that it's it's
going to be a learning process for him.

725
00:48:28.119 --> 00:48:30.039
And you know, it's not going
to take until he's fifty for him

726
00:48:30.079 --> 00:48:34.800
to start putting his foot down on
some things. But just the things I

727
00:48:34.920 --> 00:48:38.000
hear, I'm not really seeing any
signs of that maturity happening yet. That

728
00:48:38.039 --> 00:48:44.920
he still kind of avoids confrontation.
Yeah, it's just it's an ongoing issue,

729
00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:47.639
and I think it does rug people
in the locker room the wrong way

730
00:48:47.639 --> 00:48:53.320
that he handles business that way.
Others may enjoy that, that might be

731
00:48:53.360 --> 00:48:57.920
their style, but I do think
that if you're going to be the owner

732
00:48:58.000 --> 00:49:00.920
and leader of this company, then
it's time to step up and take charge

733
00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:04.760
a little bit. And if you're
not said it before, I'll say again,

734
00:49:04.800 --> 00:49:07.559
if he's not capable, if it's
not in his personality to be that

735
00:49:07.599 --> 00:49:12.000
guy, then hire someone to be
that guy for you. That's the thing.

736
00:49:12.079 --> 00:49:15.039
I mean. Even people who have
issues with Tony and have seen him,

737
00:49:15.079 --> 00:49:19.039
you know, have a temper and
whatever, just say he's he is

738
00:49:19.320 --> 00:49:25.559
in The reputation is he's an immensely
nice guy. Yeah, And the issue

739
00:49:25.679 --> 00:49:30.199
is can he move away? Because
he's sort of in an age group where

740
00:49:30.199 --> 00:49:31.480
he's younger than some wrestlers and sort
of feels like, who am I to

741
00:49:31.519 --> 00:49:36.239
say? But he's also the age
of a lot of his wrestlers. You

742
00:49:36.280 --> 00:49:39.280
know, Brian Danielson and Tony Kahn
are close to the same age. It's

743
00:49:39.039 --> 00:49:43.960
not he's not too far off from
Kenny Jericho is a dozen years older than

744
00:49:44.039 --> 00:49:46.440
him, and so you know there's
a deference towards that. See him,

745
00:49:46.440 --> 00:49:51.199
Punk is a few years older,
and Tony comes across as a wide eyed

746
00:49:51.519 --> 00:49:57.320
fan to a lot of wrestlers,
and he will outgrow that. But he

747
00:49:57.360 --> 00:50:00.639
can't wait ten years to he'll grow
it. So there come a point where

748
00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:04.719
this is I'm I'm so excited,
I'm such a fan, And let me

749
00:50:04.719 --> 00:50:06.920
look at Sampunk at the press conference
to just be like, I can't believe

750
00:50:06.920 --> 00:50:08.400
I'm sitting guest to Seampunk. I
can't believe I'm sitting guest to sap Punk.

751
00:50:08.400 --> 00:50:10.480
He works for me. This is
great there. You know, you

752
00:50:10.519 --> 00:50:13.960
can feel that way, but you
kind of got to put up a little

753
00:50:13.960 --> 00:50:20.960
bit of a front to battle that
that image so that you get the respect

754
00:50:20.960 --> 00:50:22.920
of the wrestlers. Yeah, it
might, you know, with him,

755
00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:30.239
it might even take a cycle of
the talent coming and going and by the

756
00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:32.760
time that he is fifty, you
know, a lot of the today's stars

757
00:50:32.760 --> 00:50:36.239
will age out and Tony will have
been around them, and then the new

758
00:50:36.280 --> 00:50:40.239
people coming in are really going to
look up to an admire Tony Khan rather

759
00:50:40.320 --> 00:50:44.119
than just look at him. And
as this, you know, billionaire's son

760
00:50:44.199 --> 00:50:47.000
who happens to be starting a wrestling
company and is my boss. I think

761
00:50:47.039 --> 00:50:51.039
that's a natural progression too. I
think it's going to get better. I

762
00:50:51.079 --> 00:50:54.199
just hope it doesn't take too long. Hey, Jason, before we continue,

763
00:50:54.239 --> 00:50:58.400
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764
00:50:58.440 --> 00:51:00.599
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766
00:51:06.639 --> 00:51:09.559
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789
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790
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800
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right, So, staying on the
aw situation for a moment where a week

801
00:53:38.960 --> 00:53:46.960
and a half out from the debut
debut of Collision, do you have predictions

802
00:53:47.119 --> 00:53:52.760
or a feeling of whether this will
succeed or not. I'm kind of in

803
00:53:52.800 --> 00:54:01.280
the category of I don't think AW
has the fan base to sup port two

804
00:54:01.360 --> 00:54:08.880
shows at the level that Dynamite has
been drawing lately. But I think that,

805
00:54:09.079 --> 00:54:13.119
as we talked about earlier, there's
a chance that they do more,

806
00:54:13.639 --> 00:54:20.639
that they augment things and do so
in a way that leads to a differentiation

807
00:54:20.679 --> 00:54:24.679
between the shows, or just talent
that's been inconsistently featured on Dynamite now featured

808
00:54:24.719 --> 00:54:27.840
every week on Collision, and then
that makes more room for everyone to be

809
00:54:27.840 --> 00:54:30.199
featured every week on Dynamite. And
it's weird, but it actually could end

810
00:54:30.239 --> 00:54:35.360
up cleaning up the booking a little
bit. And if Tony really does separate

811
00:54:35.480 --> 00:54:39.920
rosters and separate creative input teams,
there could be some competitiveness too that leads

812
00:54:39.920 --> 00:54:46.679
to some improvement. But I am
more concerned than optimistic that Collision will be

813
00:54:46.719 --> 00:54:52.360
considered a rating success for a primetime
slot. So that's kind of my take,

814
00:54:52.400 --> 00:54:54.719
but I want to get a feel
from you and talk about that.

815
00:54:55.599 --> 00:55:01.519
I go into this open minded early
on, I think it's going to do

816
00:55:02.039 --> 00:55:07.639
barely well. I just don't know
what the network expectations are for this on

817
00:55:07.679 --> 00:55:12.920
a Saturday night in primetime, where
I mean, you get Punk coming back,

818
00:55:13.400 --> 00:55:16.000
it's a new show. They're doing
their best to generate some buzz and

819
00:55:16.320 --> 00:55:19.480
create interest, and I get that, and I think you're going to see

820
00:55:20.280 --> 00:55:22.559
the viewership numbers the same night might
be a little rough, but I do

821
00:55:22.599 --> 00:55:28.400
think you'll get some good DVR numbers. Where my concern comes in is more

822
00:55:28.519 --> 00:55:35.480
once you get into September and you
start running against college football and then eventually

823
00:55:35.480 --> 00:55:39.239
the NBA the NHL are back,
what happens then? You know, how

824
00:55:39.280 --> 00:55:45.039
does this show stop? Yeah,
that's the tough part. And I just

825
00:55:45.119 --> 00:55:50.400
don't know what the network is looking
for here. I don't even know what

826
00:55:50.519 --> 00:55:55.159
Tony's expectations are for the ratings wise, viewership wise, all of that.

827
00:55:55.960 --> 00:56:01.159
And if it doesn't go well,
then what I mean, you have this

828
00:56:01.239 --> 00:56:07.000
massive roster and you've got five hours
of TV now, I guess seven if

829
00:56:07.000 --> 00:56:09.280
you want to include Ring of Honor. But if it doesn't go well,

830
00:56:09.400 --> 00:56:15.519
the network doesn't want this long term, then what I guess that's the scary

831
00:56:15.559 --> 00:56:22.679
part. I mean, I think
that they have a very loyal audience.

832
00:56:22.760 --> 00:56:27.039
The fact that this pay per view
reportedly is doing well the one double or

833
00:56:27.079 --> 00:56:30.880
nothing, is that early indications are
that it did performed well. They tend

834
00:56:31.079 --> 00:56:34.960
I gotta se I mean, it
seems like when those preliminary numbers come out,

835
00:56:34.960 --> 00:56:37.480
they're always higher than what they settle
in at, but they're still high

836
00:56:37.559 --> 00:56:42.239
enough that even if there is a
dip there, the final numbers should still

837
00:56:42.239 --> 00:56:45.679
be pretty solid. So they have
a very loyal audience. Another part of

838
00:56:45.719 --> 00:56:52.119
this what happens when they're up against
Money in the Bank and wwepl's you know,

839
00:56:52.239 --> 00:56:55.119
every like one Saturday of month.
Basically, I mean, that's another

840
00:56:55.440 --> 00:57:00.320
hit that I think they're naturally going
to take. Now they are also probably

841
00:57:00.360 --> 00:57:06.119
gonna cut into ww's p ls,
but it's still you get is competition.

842
00:57:06.280 --> 00:57:12.119
You have all the sports's competition and
just Saturday night as competition. It's I

843
00:57:12.159 --> 00:57:15.159
think it's one thing to expect wrestling
fans to just to sit down on a

844
00:57:15.159 --> 00:57:19.559
Saturday night and enjoy a pay per
view or a POE once in a while.

845
00:57:20.280 --> 00:57:23.679
It's another day ask people to be
there every single Saturday night, and

846
00:57:23.760 --> 00:57:29.920
I boy, it's it's tough.
But again, you know, if you

847
00:57:30.679 --> 00:57:32.159
or the network and you're going,
well, yeah, but we're number one

848
00:57:32.480 --> 00:57:37.880
on Saturday night until sports season starts
again. Is that enough for maybe?

849
00:57:37.000 --> 00:57:39.480
I don't know. And if they
get bumped a lot, I mean,

850
00:57:39.639 --> 00:57:44.239
Dynamite takes such a hit when it's
bumped. Rampage stakes huge hit when it's

851
00:57:44.239 --> 00:57:46.079
bumped all over the place. Rampage
should be bounced off the face of the

852
00:57:46.119 --> 00:57:50.119
planet. The show serves no purpose, I know, I know. I

853
00:57:50.119 --> 00:57:52.800
mean, at least I got rid
of Dark and Dark Elevation, so there's

854
00:57:52.800 --> 00:57:54.960
a little more focus than that to
start. But now they just shifted it

855
00:57:55.000 --> 00:58:02.079
to needlessly long roh tapings for a
two hours just doesn't it just doesn't need

856
00:58:02.199 --> 00:58:07.000
to exist. And the matches on
the show the other week. Yeah,

857
00:58:07.079 --> 00:58:13.440
I mean, why why is he
doing that? I don't know. I'd

858
00:58:13.519 --> 00:58:15.119
love to hear him explain that.
I wish some of the people he actually

859
00:58:15.159 --> 00:58:20.679
took calls from during the media sessions
would start asking some of these questions.

860
00:58:20.679 --> 00:58:23.159
But you really don't get any answers
on it. I think he'd probably just

861
00:58:23.199 --> 00:58:27.519
be told great question and he'd move
on to something else. Anyway, everyone's

862
00:58:27.599 --> 00:58:30.719
questions aren't great everyone. Yep,
w W is saying, that's a great

863
00:58:30.760 --> 00:58:32.719
question. But here's why I'm not
going to answer. Here's all I'll answer

864
00:58:32.760 --> 00:58:36.079
it, but not really yet.
Here's here's the words I'll say that aren't

865
00:58:36.079 --> 00:58:43.440
really an answer. Um. Yeah, I that the Ron SmackDown I have

866
00:58:43.440 --> 00:58:45.880
a good deal because they're just rarely
preempted. But when SmackDown gets cramped as

867
00:58:45.920 --> 00:58:51.599
one, they lose two thirds of
their viewership. Yep. So yeah,

868
00:58:51.599 --> 00:58:53.079
that's it's it's going to be a
change. Where does this go when they

869
00:58:53.079 --> 00:58:59.239
are preempted it? There have been
no signs, like when Rampage is preempted.

870
00:58:59.239 --> 00:59:02.000
It's not like we'll just move it
to Discovery in the same time slot

871
00:59:02.079 --> 00:59:06.440
or you know, one of the
offshoot network. It always gets bounced around.

872
00:59:06.840 --> 00:59:09.400
It stays on that network and it
just gets you know, could be

873
00:59:09.440 --> 00:59:13.960
Friday afternoon. Where does this show
go? Does it become a Friday afternoon

874
00:59:14.000 --> 00:59:17.199
show or we're talking like after midnight
on Saturday. What happens? Yeah?

875
00:59:17.199 --> 00:59:21.719
And then how how difficult is it
to get your viewership back when you don't

876
00:59:21.760 --> 00:59:24.480
just own that time slot? Yeah
and stay in it. So I mean,

877
00:59:24.679 --> 00:59:31.320
it's an exciting chapter in AW.
Yes for sure, and it's it's

878
00:59:31.400 --> 00:59:37.679
the next step that they're taking.
And without a new TV deal locked in,

879
00:59:37.000 --> 00:59:43.000
the pressure's on and we'll see what
Tony Khan and see Humpunk and everyone

880
00:59:43.039 --> 00:59:47.000
can can do. What what do
you think of Don callis stepping up and

881
00:59:47.119 --> 00:59:51.920
delivering a big promo last week on
Dynamite. I mean, it wasn't super

882
00:59:51.960 --> 00:59:53.599
long and it just had sort of
that dominic keat. I love that we

883
00:59:53.639 --> 00:59:57.840
can say that now, yeah,
but just that that organic. We don't

884
00:59:57.880 --> 01:00:00.159
like you and we're gonna boo and
drawn out your in words. But what

885
01:00:00.199 --> 01:00:05.159
we saw of Don Callis on the
microphone I thought was promising and I hope

886
01:00:05.159 --> 01:00:08.360
they can build on that because AW
as much as that, you know,

887
01:00:08.559 --> 01:00:15.159
they pride themselves and they're they're what
they're known for is the athleticism and the

888
01:00:15.199 --> 01:00:20.760
diversity of wrestling styles bell to bell, and that's great and it's a differentiating

889
01:00:21.000 --> 01:00:24.280
trait from WWE. You still want
to make those matches matter, and there's

890
01:00:24.480 --> 01:00:29.360
there's a large part portion of the
fan base that that is going to care

891
01:00:29.519 --> 01:00:31.559
and be more invested in a match, not because there's more dives and innovative

892
01:00:31.559 --> 01:00:35.840
moves and dream matches with wrestlers from
other countries and other promotions. They're going

893
01:00:35.880 --> 01:00:38.360
to be into it because of what
they see on Dynamite or Collision, that

894
01:00:39.199 --> 01:00:43.559
is mic work by a wrestler or
manager that gets people invested in seeing that

895
01:00:43.639 --> 01:00:46.280
match and what plays out and who
wins and loses. And Don Callis is

896
01:00:46.320 --> 01:00:52.320
at the is in the top tier
of a EW talkers. And I you

897
01:00:52.360 --> 01:00:54.239
know, we thought when Kenny was
a heel with Callous as a manager,

898
01:00:54.239 --> 01:01:00.239
that was a chance for a blackwekl
heenan type dynamic that could just be a

899
01:01:00.320 --> 01:01:05.920
generational high point, and it didn't
rise to the occasion. Did what you

900
01:01:05.920 --> 01:01:09.000
saw us Wednesday with Callous give you
a sense that maybe Kellis is ready to

901
01:01:09.000 --> 01:01:14.199
step up and become a really valuable
talker in this company on a weekly basis.

902
01:01:14.920 --> 01:01:17.639
Yes, yes, I think it's
long overdue for Don Callous, not

903
01:01:17.719 --> 01:01:22.679
just in a w I don't know
what's held this guy back over the years.

904
01:01:22.719 --> 01:01:24.239
I've always feel like he's been a
strong, conquered I know you he

905
01:01:25.000 --> 01:01:28.360
does play to the boys in the
back a little bit, what have you

906
01:01:28.400 --> 01:01:31.079
if you want to label it that
at times, But boy, I mean

907
01:01:31.159 --> 01:01:36.159
even as a color commentator like that
was something you look at a w's broadcast

908
01:01:36.159 --> 01:01:38.599
team. How was there not room
for Don Callos at that broadcast table considering

909
01:01:38.639 --> 01:01:43.599
just how damn good he was calling
matches in New Japan. I thought he

910
01:01:43.679 --> 01:01:46.559
was great there, So yeah,
one way or another, it looks like,

911
01:01:46.599 --> 01:01:51.360
obviously he's going to be like the
lead manager now. I think non

912
01:01:51.440 --> 01:01:55.280
Callous can bring a lot to the
table for this company. I'm encouraged by

913
01:01:55.360 --> 01:02:00.280
Jip. We haven't seen him in
the ring, but just takeshta not looking

914
01:02:00.280 --> 01:02:01.920
like a deer in the head like, but also just actually looking like a

915
01:02:01.960 --> 01:02:06.960
heel, knowing how to just kind
of get that little sideways look to the

916
01:02:06.960 --> 01:02:09.280
camera. I'm like, Okay,
yeah, this is not just a guys

917
01:02:09.280 --> 01:02:13.920
are really good wrestler. Maybe there's
somebody that can play the heel role here

918
01:02:13.960 --> 01:02:17.199
too. I like to talk about
the family. I'm hoping it's not.

919
01:02:17.320 --> 01:02:22.159
Well Blackpool Combat Club is the new
family. I really I don't think AW

920
01:02:22.360 --> 01:02:27.679
needs another faction, But at the
same time, I'm open to Callous forming

921
01:02:27.679 --> 01:02:32.239
a Heenan like family. I would
like to see them chop three factions that

922
01:02:32.400 --> 01:02:37.639
don't need to be there just for
all their obvious reasons if you're going to

923
01:02:37.679 --> 01:02:40.679
create a new faction at least three. I'm trying to be nice. I

924
01:02:40.719 --> 01:02:45.360
could easily say ten. But yeah, I think Callous is somebody that is

925
01:02:45.400 --> 01:02:50.519
going to talk people into the buildings
that they're gonna want to see wrestlers get

926
01:02:50.519 --> 01:02:53.760
their hands on him and his guys
fail and all that stuff. I think

927
01:02:53.760 --> 01:02:58.840
that if it's done right, Don
Callis brings a lot to the table,

928
01:02:58.880 --> 01:03:01.199
and I'm hoping he's involved creatively.
You know, it was he and Scott

929
01:03:01.280 --> 01:03:07.199
the more An Impact Wrestling that really
kind of took the tena stank off that

930
01:03:07.239 --> 01:03:12.039
promotion and turned it into something different
and Don left for whatever reason. But

931
01:03:12.400 --> 01:03:15.599
you know, I don't know who
was doing what creatively, but if he

932
01:03:15.679 --> 01:03:21.599
was heavily involved in the the Early
Impact run and their Anthem run, then

933
01:03:22.000 --> 01:03:25.119
I don't see why he wouldn't be
involved creatibly at AW two. Yeah,

934
01:03:25.239 --> 01:03:31.519
Yeah, I they I've said this
multiple times in recent weeks. My criticism

935
01:03:31.599 --> 01:03:36.480
of AW isn't pushing the wrong people
who aren't qualified for their push. It's

936
01:03:36.559 --> 01:03:38.880
well, there's a little bit of
that, but it's more often not it's

937
01:03:38.920 --> 01:03:43.280
pushing the right people and not getting
as much out of them as possible,

938
01:03:43.920 --> 01:03:47.199
and there's just more to tap into
and more to get out of some of

939
01:03:47.199 --> 01:03:50.760
the talent that they have. A
lot of times historically, Jason, we've

940
01:03:50.800 --> 01:03:53.079
covered promotions that are pushing people were
like, why are you pushing them?

941
01:03:53.320 --> 01:03:57.719
But with aw it's they have a
lot of talent. They need to push

942
01:03:57.760 --> 01:04:00.679
more in the talent that they are
pushing, they need to push better.

943
01:04:01.119 --> 01:04:05.400
Why has Jeff Jared always on that
list? Anyway, I'm trying not to

944
01:04:05.360 --> 01:04:09.639
see all these different promotions. Yeah, I know, it happens. It

945
01:04:09.719 --> 01:04:15.719
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946
01:04:15.719 --> 01:04:18.280
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01:04:18.280 --> 01:04:23.000
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01:04:23.039 --> 01:04:26.400
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01:04:26.480 --> 01:04:30.559
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950
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so much. Let's jump back to the

955
01:04:53.719 --> 01:04:59.639
Bloodline and where we kind of started
this all the hook this week and they

956
01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:02.280
sized it last night on Raw with
the Paul Hayman promo, and I like

957
01:05:02.360 --> 01:05:05.199
how they lay out, you know, we talk about Tony con announcements and

958
01:05:05.199 --> 01:05:08.719
how it's like a little bit each
week, and that was more I think

959
01:05:09.039 --> 01:05:13.960
by necessity than than design um with
the punk controversy and stuff. But they

960
01:05:14.000 --> 01:05:16.760
are kind of it's like, okay, Jimmy and Roman seemed like they broke

961
01:05:16.840 --> 01:05:20.320
up at Night of Champions. There
was a tease of of of getting back

962
01:05:20.320 --> 01:05:26.119
together again or reconciling, and then
of course Roman turned that down. And

963
01:05:26.519 --> 01:05:29.920
then it's beyond the point of return
between Jimmy and Roman. And now the

964
01:05:30.000 --> 01:05:32.400
question is who will Jay side with? And they hype that on Raw we

965
01:05:32.480 --> 01:05:35.519
may get a resolution or we may
just get a development to a teaser on

966
01:05:35.559 --> 01:05:42.800
Friday. Where do you see Jay
going? Is it a given that he

967
01:05:42.880 --> 01:05:46.519
sides with Jimmy against Roman and Solo? Is it possible they drag it out

968
01:05:46.599 --> 01:05:53.000
until he's makes his decision at ringside
during the first reigns Jimmy match, what's

969
01:05:53.039 --> 01:05:57.079
your what's your projection? I don't
think he has to just come out and

970
01:05:57.119 --> 01:06:00.519
definitively say anything this week, but
I do think ultimately he sides with his

971
01:06:00.599 --> 01:06:09.800
brother Jimmy. I mean, it's
kind of strange to the Universal Champion is

972
01:06:09.800 --> 01:06:12.920
going to end up in a tag
team feud, but it kind of seems

973
01:06:12.960 --> 01:06:15.039
that way. Maybe maybe I'm misreading
it for that reason. Maybe it is

974
01:06:15.519 --> 01:06:19.960
it's Jimmy's time now to go after
Roman, and Jay stands by for the

975
01:06:20.039 --> 01:06:24.920
time being, and then eventually so
many people want to see this go full

976
01:06:24.960 --> 01:06:30.559
circle to Jay and that may happen. My big concern regarding that whole because

977
01:06:30.599 --> 01:06:32.800
I just hear at so many places
it's got to be Jay. Jay is

978
01:06:32.840 --> 01:06:38.239
the one to beat Roman. Does
Jay have it to be world champion?

979
01:06:38.760 --> 01:06:43.360
Long term? Transitional? Maybe?
I think Jay's great at his role in

980
01:06:43.400 --> 01:06:45.000
the Bloodline. I think he's a
great tag team right. I think he's

981
01:06:45.039 --> 01:06:48.400
a great wrestler. But does he
have the promo chops? Is he going

982
01:06:48.480 --> 01:06:51.519
to be your face of the company
for any true length of time? And

983
01:06:51.559 --> 01:06:56.039
I think people who love Jay will
say yes. I don't know that I

984
01:06:56.079 --> 01:06:59.639
see it Wade. I think he's
awesome at what he does. There's a

985
01:06:59.639 --> 01:07:00.960
lot of people are really good at
what they do, but they're not facing

986
01:07:01.000 --> 01:07:08.000
the company types to WWE looks for
it, right, So what what is

987
01:07:08.039 --> 01:07:14.880
the timeline and is there an end
in sight? Or can they keep telling

988
01:07:14.880 --> 01:07:16.480
this story for a while, because
like, at some point, are we

989
01:07:16.480 --> 01:07:20.280
gonna get Roman against somebody who wasn't
part of the bloodline or striving to be

990
01:07:20.320 --> 01:07:27.360
part of the bloodline other than Cody, and or are we looking at Jimmy

991
01:07:27.480 --> 01:07:30.480
and Jay and maybe eventually solo maybe
a rematch with Sammy a year from now.

992
01:07:30.519 --> 01:07:35.880
If brands get reshuffled Cody in the
middle of that, is that enough?

993
01:07:36.000 --> 01:07:39.239
I mean, maybe maybe that is
enough to get us through a year

994
01:07:39.320 --> 01:07:42.440
that the pace w B tells these
stories. It might be, yeah,

995
01:07:42.920 --> 01:07:45.800
because I think you could probably get
a Jimmy and Roman match soon Jay makes

996
01:07:45.880 --> 01:07:50.519
his decision, you get a tag
match. Roman doesn't work the full time

997
01:07:50.519 --> 01:07:55.320
schedule, and so they could keep
doing this. Maybe you do mix in

998
01:07:55.480 --> 01:08:00.280
somebody at some point that isn't part
of the bloodline story. I wonder if

999
01:08:00.320 --> 01:08:03.639
you know, if the usos do
leave, do they add someone or multiple

1000
01:08:03.639 --> 01:08:09.480
people to the bloodline to replace them. That may not necessarily be true family.

1001
01:08:10.639 --> 01:08:13.679
There's been a lot of speculation Toma
Tonga Tonga Loa, but they're also

1002
01:08:14.039 --> 01:08:16.439
advertised for the g One, so
I don't know that that's happening. People

1003
01:08:16.479 --> 01:08:19.520
like to so what about Jacob Flatto, Well, he's under contract MLW who

1004
01:08:19.560 --> 01:08:23.479
isn't involved in Illegal to be it
with WWE, So I don't know if

1005
01:08:23.479 --> 01:08:27.720
that's going to happen anytime soon either. I don't know who would be,

1006
01:08:27.800 --> 01:08:30.319
but I think they have a really
good thing going here, and if you

1007
01:08:30.399 --> 01:08:33.479
listen to them, they made it
seem like wrestle Nanny, who was what

1008
01:08:33.640 --> 01:08:36.800
they say the third inning or something
like that. I don't remember what lingo

1009
01:08:36.840 --> 01:08:40.359
they used to describe, like,
Yeah, we're just getting started with this,

1010
01:08:40.600 --> 01:08:45.159
and it's one of the few times
when I hear people talking about long

1011
01:08:45.279 --> 01:08:48.239
term booking in this industry that actually
believe them. They may not have everything

1012
01:08:48.279 --> 01:08:51.760
completely mapped out week to week or
anything like that, but I think they

1013
01:08:51.800 --> 01:08:55.279
have the key stuff laid out and
they know where they're going with this.

1014
01:08:57.319 --> 01:09:02.920
What stands out to you about this
storyline, good or bad? Is there

1015
01:09:02.960 --> 01:09:06.319
anything? I'll load the question up
i'll steer you. Is there anything that

1016
01:09:06.359 --> 01:09:12.159
you haven't liked about what the way
they've told this, this bloodline storyline since

1017
01:09:12.199 --> 01:09:15.479
Sammy got Red Hot and they did
the match in Montreal and then Cody and

1018
01:09:15.520 --> 01:09:16.119
then the follow up. I know
there were, you know, a couple

1019
01:09:16.079 --> 01:09:18.640
of dry weeks because they're just pacing
themselves and you know, trying to get

1020
01:09:18.680 --> 01:09:21.359
peak moments. But is there anything
where you're kind of like, oh man,

1021
01:09:21.439 --> 01:09:25.199
that that that didn't ring true to
me, or the acting didn't work,

1022
01:09:25.279 --> 01:09:27.800
or that was a move they should
have done sooner or not or later.

1023
01:09:28.039 --> 01:09:30.279
Yeah. I don't even remember the
specifics now, but there was that

1024
01:09:30.319 --> 01:09:33.560
week where it felt like they did
a time jump and it's been a while.

1025
01:09:33.560 --> 01:09:36.880
I think it was even premnia M. Yeah, it's just kind of

1026
01:09:36.880 --> 01:09:40.920
like, wait a minute, did
we missed an episode? That was one

1027
01:09:40.960 --> 01:09:45.399
of the rare times though I really
have enjoyed it. I was open to

1028
01:09:45.159 --> 01:09:48.159
Roman and Cody's winner, and I
thought it would be Cody, and when

1029
01:09:48.159 --> 01:09:50.479
it was Roman, It's okay,
cool, you know this is fine too.

1030
01:09:50.560 --> 01:09:53.880
Let's see where they go with this. And I think there's still people

1031
01:09:53.880 --> 01:09:56.800
pushing back at it. They probably
will be for a long time. Maybe

1032
01:09:56.800 --> 01:09:59.319
they'll be proven right. Maybe it
should have been Cody's time. I don't

1033
01:09:59.319 --> 01:10:02.920
know, but I just know that
he's doing fine, and the bloodline is

1034
01:10:02.960 --> 01:10:08.399
doing fine, especially better than fine
based on those numbers they put up Friday.

1035
01:10:09.760 --> 01:10:15.239
So tied into the bloodline storyline,
a parallel story going on as Cody.

1036
01:10:15.960 --> 01:10:18.920
We talk about Cody every time we
talk for good reason. Things are

1037
01:10:18.920 --> 01:10:23.159
going very well for him in WWE. He's turned out to be very valuable.

1038
01:10:23.439 --> 01:10:26.960
He's now challenged brock Lessner to a
rematch, but as he says,

1039
01:10:26.960 --> 01:10:30.800
the Beast is hibernating, and in
the meantime we now get a Dominic feud

1040
01:10:30.319 --> 01:10:35.039
with Cody, which I endorse.
I think it's a really good move because

1041
01:10:35.159 --> 01:10:40.319
it helps Cody get cheered and not
no fans are gonna waiver and people love

1042
01:10:40.319 --> 01:10:45.840
booing Dominic tongue in cheek or not. I like that, and I think

1043
01:10:45.000 --> 01:10:48.319
it's a good step for Dominic in
terms of showing what he can do in

1044
01:10:48.319 --> 01:10:51.319
the ringing on the microphone. What
do you think about what they're doing with

1045
01:10:51.359 --> 01:10:55.840
Cody. I think it's going very
well. I think, you know,

1046
01:10:55.960 --> 01:11:02.159
considering that he's not going after Seth's
championship at the moment that he's feuding with

1047
01:11:02.279 --> 01:11:05.319
Lesner and Brock's not going to be
there for money in the bank apparently.

1048
01:11:05.880 --> 01:11:12.239
I think they're doing really well in
keeping Cody with other things happening, you

1049
01:11:12.279 --> 01:11:14.319
know, and we're just kind of
starting to see this thing with Dom.

1050
01:11:14.560 --> 01:11:16.880
I think it is the safest thing
you can do. I was even and

1051
01:11:17.239 --> 01:11:21.479
still am for the idea that,
believe it or not, Cody loses to

1052
01:11:21.760 --> 01:11:25.359
Dominic masteria. I know people are
going to cringe at that one. But

1053
01:11:26.159 --> 01:11:28.600
what if you had Lesner interfere in
that match? I don't know what is

1054
01:11:28.840 --> 01:11:32.119
contractual situation is date wise if he's
going to be at money in the bank.

1055
01:11:32.399 --> 01:11:36.159
But let's say he did. Okay, Dom gets this wind that nobody's

1056
01:11:36.199 --> 01:11:40.199
going to hold it against Cody.
Nobody's gonna go, oh man, they're

1057
01:11:40.199 --> 01:11:43.760
really saluring on Cody. They're gonna
be none of that. It's a flukeass

1058
01:11:43.840 --> 01:11:46.359
wind that Dom gets, and it
puts Dom in position to then feud with

1059
01:11:46.439 --> 01:11:50.880
seth Rawlins. And you get that
because there's I know, it's not anyone's

1060
01:11:50.880 --> 01:11:54.640
looking at it going well, they're
never gonna ship put the title on Dom

1061
01:11:54.880 --> 01:11:58.159
and I don't think they will anytime
sooner or anything like that. But you

1062
01:11:58.239 --> 01:12:01.920
look at that raw roster, the
heels they have, there's not many feuds

1063
01:12:01.960 --> 01:12:08.600
for set Rollin. So if you
can get one with Dominic Masterio as over

1064
01:12:08.680 --> 01:12:12.600
as he is temporarily, I think
you go for it and then you circle

1065
01:12:12.680 --> 01:12:15.520
back. Obviously eventually Cody gets his
win back and then some. But I

1066
01:12:15.600 --> 01:12:19.960
do think that they really need to
be doing something with Dominic Mysterio and it

1067
01:12:20.119 --> 01:12:24.760
is lost that Cody can absorb.
I know he lost one to brock Lesner.

1068
01:12:25.199 --> 01:12:29.039
That would have been more damaging than
a cheap loss to dom. I'm

1069
01:12:29.039 --> 01:12:31.760
not talking clean. I'm talking lots
of interference and things. I think there's

1070
01:12:31.760 --> 01:12:33.840
a way you lean into dom for
a little bit and you have some fun

1071
01:12:33.880 --> 01:12:40.199
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within the Apple podcast app. Tell
me about the evolution of your thoughts on

1090
01:13:55.000 --> 01:13:58.560
Dominic over time. What has he
done to surprise you or impress you?

1091
01:13:58.800 --> 01:14:02.479
Or do you think he's stunted?
And there's you know issues that he shouldn't

1092
01:14:02.479 --> 01:14:06.159
be getting pushed this month, or
warning signs are danger signs that maybe are

1093
01:14:06.199 --> 01:14:11.239
around the corner that he's the crowd
reaction is maybe ahead of his talent and

1094
01:14:11.319 --> 01:14:15.319
readiness for this kind of prominent role. Oh it probably is, but oh

1095
01:14:15.359 --> 01:14:16.600
well, lean into it. You
know, people learn into it now and

1096
01:14:16.640 --> 01:14:23.920
that's what counts. And I really
enjoyed Dom the Run with everything that led

1097
01:14:23.960 --> 01:14:27.119
up to him, and Ray was
a lot of fun. I still like

1098
01:14:27.359 --> 01:14:30.880
him with Riha Ripley, I still
get a kick out of the whole prison

1099
01:14:30.960 --> 01:14:33.680
dom aspect of things. And Corey
Graves has a lot of fun. He

1100
01:14:33.760 --> 01:14:38.760
enhances things on a commentary with just
the way he talks about Dom. I

1101
01:14:39.199 --> 01:14:43.279
think it's a really good act.
And maybe he is like, maybe this

1102
01:14:43.399 --> 01:14:45.840
is gonna die out. What better
reason than to take full advantage of it

1103
01:14:45.840 --> 01:14:49.560
and get everything you can out of
it? While you can totally agree.

1104
01:14:49.880 --> 01:14:57.479
So we've got a conundrum with Cody
and the title in Roman reigns Roman to

1105
01:14:57.520 --> 01:14:59.880
celebrate a thousand days. They wanted
to get there, they wanted to have

1106
01:14:59.880 --> 01:15:02.439
that moment. They had it.
But Cody's going to get a rematch against

1107
01:15:02.520 --> 01:15:08.319
Roman either at Summer Slam or Wrestomania
next year. Where when and why do

1108
01:15:08.359 --> 01:15:11.359
you think it's going to be then? And do you have to pull the

1109
01:15:11.399 --> 01:15:15.680
trigger and have Cody and Rains his
rain to finish that story or is there

1110
01:15:15.720 --> 01:15:18.239
an alternate path that they can take, or do we need to see what

1111
01:15:18.399 --> 01:15:23.399
happens with the bloodline and kind of
make it what was not a last second

1112
01:15:23.399 --> 01:15:27.319
decision, but the decision to have
Roman beat Cody at Wressamania. My reporting

1113
01:15:27.359 --> 01:15:30.840
on that from what I heard from
talking to people do B was they had

1114
01:15:30.880 --> 01:15:34.039
it inked in about three weeks before
Mania, but we're open to change even

1115
01:15:34.119 --> 01:15:38.479
after that, even with ink,
but they were very open to change before

1116
01:15:38.520 --> 01:15:43.920
that. So it wasn't They were
leading strongly and had their reasons for doing

1117
01:15:43.920 --> 01:15:45.880
it doing what they did, and
I think we just saw some of it

1118
01:15:45.880 --> 01:15:47.560
play out because they had this all, you know, a lot of this

1119
01:15:47.640 --> 01:15:51.840
planned out with the Cody Leisner feud
and the breakup of the bloodline at the

1120
01:15:53.159 --> 01:15:55.960
at the thousandth day celebration, and
you can make it, you know,

1121
01:15:56.000 --> 01:15:58.119
certainly make a case that even if
you think they should have Gonne the other

1122
01:15:58.159 --> 01:16:00.560
way, they're getting a lot out
of things. A lot good things out

1123
01:16:00.560 --> 01:16:04.520
of going this direction instead, So
they may not know, you know,

1124
01:16:04.600 --> 01:16:08.680
if Cody's gonna win or not.
Ultimately, what do you what do you

1125
01:16:08.680 --> 01:16:11.239
think they're planning? What do you
think they ought to do and on what

1126
01:16:11.359 --> 01:16:15.119
timeline? I think they should take
the same approach they took last year and

1127
01:16:15.159 --> 01:16:18.119
go ahead and get a plan.
If you are working toward Cody in Roman

1128
01:16:18.520 --> 01:16:25.319
at Mania, which I suspect that
they are, then okay, great,

1129
01:16:25.600 --> 01:16:29.560
but don't commit. Where is Cody
at that time? You know he's doing

1130
01:16:29.600 --> 01:16:32.119
fine? Now does he cool off
by then? Does the bloodline thing run

1131
01:16:32.119 --> 01:16:34.920
out of gas where it becomes more
obvious that, yeah, you gotta make

1132
01:16:34.960 --> 01:16:39.680
Cody the guy now? So I
wouldn't be married to anything. In fact,

1133
01:16:39.720 --> 01:16:42.840
I wouldn't even be married to Cody. And Roman headlines Mania next year.

1134
01:16:43.079 --> 01:16:44.960
You may get there and be like, wow, Soul, it's a

1135
01:16:45.039 --> 01:16:47.119
CoA and Roman or whoever. It
may just makes more sense. Let's go

1136
01:16:47.159 --> 01:16:51.800
in that direction. I think you
want to have a basic plan for where

1137
01:16:51.800 --> 01:16:57.000
you're going, But I think there's
no reason to fully commit to anything at

1138
01:16:57.000 --> 01:16:59.920
this early At this early stage,
there's still a lot of time before May

1139
01:17:00.199 --> 01:17:03.520
yet, Yeah, yep, in
three years. Is Cody still a top

1140
01:17:03.520 --> 01:17:10.199
baby face in w w E Or
is there uh an expiration date on this

1141
01:17:10.359 --> 01:17:13.159
version of Cody and we kind of
saw it happened in a w or are

1142
01:17:13.239 --> 01:17:16.359
we in a different different situation?
Now? How long is this contract?

1143
01:17:17.119 --> 01:17:20.279
Um? I think he's I think
he's a lifer, but um, I

1144
01:17:20.279 --> 01:17:23.520
think he's a life for with w
w E. I'm not sure of the

1145
01:17:23.600 --> 01:17:28.960
length of his deal. Yeah,
I mean, would Tony Kahn has money

1146
01:17:29.479 --> 01:17:34.079
and you know, you can't rule
it out. Who knows? Maybe you

1147
01:17:34.119 --> 01:17:41.319
know Cody total hypothetically, what if
he his aspiration was to return to win

1148
01:17:41.359 --> 01:17:44.439
that championship and they just don't give
it to him. Things go to well

1149
01:17:44.479 --> 01:17:46.279
with Roman where they're likes and and
he does cool off a little bit,

1150
01:17:46.600 --> 01:17:48.359
you know. But I just,
again, like you, I don't know

1151
01:17:48.359 --> 01:17:54.359
when his deal is up. Um
very much debated ternment. I can't sit

1152
01:17:54.399 --> 01:17:57.640
here and tell you that Cody's going
to click for the next three years,

1153
01:17:57.840 --> 01:18:00.359
because I've learned my lesson from it. I saw An and he was super

1154
01:18:00.399 --> 01:18:06.000
over at the beginning of things and
probably the most popular talent or John Moxley,

1155
01:18:06.039 --> 01:18:10.960
I would say, and boy,
the decline was rapid Now. I

1156
01:18:11.000 --> 01:18:15.359
do think that he benefits from the
added structure in WWE, and I think

1157
01:18:15.399 --> 01:18:18.920
that as long as they still want
him to be the lead baby face,

1158
01:18:18.960 --> 01:18:23.920
they're going to do everything they can
to protect him. I feel better about

1159
01:18:23.920 --> 01:18:27.680
it with Paulavec handling the day to
day booking than Vince, who you know.

1160
01:18:27.680 --> 01:18:29.439
I mean, we just saw it
was seen in We saw it with

1161
01:18:29.560 --> 01:18:32.319
Roman. Vince Wol just start to
dig his heels in and it's not in

1162
01:18:32.399 --> 01:18:36.680
a productive manner where I think there's
other ways to do it where Okay,

1163
01:18:36.880 --> 01:18:40.960
we're getting a rocky patch here,
what do we do? Let's you know,

1164
01:18:41.359 --> 01:18:43.840
And they're obviously doing it now,
but somewhere down the road, it

1165
01:18:43.840 --> 01:18:45.119
would be, well, why don't
we put him in there with Dom.

1166
01:18:45.159 --> 01:18:49.720
He's not going to get you know, there's things you can do to basically

1167
01:18:49.760 --> 01:18:53.479
get to kind of steer the crowd
back in the right direction and through our

1168
01:18:53.520 --> 01:18:58.560
issues. So I think that there
is a very good chance that he is

1169
01:18:58.560 --> 01:19:01.359
a mainstay baby face for this company. But I also just look at Cody

1170
01:19:01.439 --> 01:19:05.079
that personality, and I think,
manage your money with him as a heel

1171
01:19:05.239 --> 01:19:10.640
when the time is right. If
they want to go, yes, I

1172
01:19:10.680 --> 01:19:13.239
mean the bond he has with fans
and Corey Gary's put it that way.

1173
01:19:13.279 --> 01:19:15.119
No one has a bond with fans
that Cody has, but that that can

1174
01:19:15.159 --> 01:19:18.600
be a positive. Look at Tekeshta
if the fans were indifferent towards him and

1175
01:19:18.640 --> 01:19:23.439
he'll turn went to Ben as emotionally
jarring as it was. But I think

1176
01:19:23.479 --> 01:19:28.239
there's more. I think having a
wrestler who fans like decide to associate with

1177
01:19:28.279 --> 01:19:32.800
Callus makes them resentful and angry with
that, with that choice more than if

1178
01:19:32.800 --> 01:19:36.359
he was arrestler. People don't care
about so with Cody if the opportunity presents

1179
01:19:36.359 --> 01:19:41.319
itself, because to me, one
of the biggest money matches that that WB

1180
01:19:41.479 --> 01:19:45.319
has sometime in the next few years
is Roman is a baby face against Cody

1181
01:19:45.359 --> 01:19:47.079
as a heel. Sure, but
we gotta tell the Cody is a baby

1182
01:19:47.079 --> 01:19:49.960
face against Roman as a heel story. First, I think win or lose

1183
01:19:50.000 --> 01:19:55.000
for Cody. Yeah, that makes
sense, absolutely, Yeah, yeah.

1184
01:19:56.000 --> 01:20:01.920
Um So anything else on the Bloodline, I know I ask some specific and

1185
01:20:02.000 --> 01:20:04.800
some open ended questions, but anything
you want to bring up about about that

1186
01:20:04.800 --> 01:20:09.359
that saga or Cody, you know, kind of the top tier stuff on

1187
01:20:09.399 --> 01:20:13.000
that side. Of things for Dota
be Yeah, I guess my one concern

1188
01:20:13.079 --> 01:20:17.640
would be, we're kind of going
back over some things they've already done.

1189
01:20:17.720 --> 01:20:20.399
You know, we're getting back to
that point if they're going in the direction

1190
01:20:20.479 --> 01:20:25.319
I think where you're going to start
to see Roman against Jimmy and you're gonna

1191
01:20:25.319 --> 01:20:29.119
see Roman against Jay. So yeah, it's the second time around. And

1192
01:20:29.479 --> 01:20:32.520
but you know, the characters are
different now to some extent, and I

1193
01:20:32.560 --> 01:20:36.720
think they're gonna work hard to keep
things different. But those guys again,

1194
01:20:36.800 --> 01:20:43.600
to me anyway, I just don't
see them as major threats to win the

1195
01:20:43.640 --> 01:20:47.039
World Championship and hold it for any
real length of time. And so does

1196
01:20:47.079 --> 01:20:50.439
that start to work against things?
And maybe that the storytelling is really good,

1197
01:20:51.039 --> 01:20:55.840
But if fans aren't believers that these
guys are going to actually beat Rains

1198
01:20:55.840 --> 01:20:58.760
for the championship, does that start
to work against some of their numbers.

1199
01:21:03.079 --> 01:21:09.600
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1204
01:21:28.760 --> 01:21:39.000
didn't work out exclusively for PW torch
VIP members. All right, So moving

1205
01:21:39.000 --> 01:21:44.880
on to soath Rawlins and the new
World Heavyweight Championship. How put on the

1206
01:21:44.920 --> 01:21:47.880
record first how you felt about the
new title being introduced and now stipulate to

1207
01:21:47.920 --> 01:21:54.359
that decision being made and grade what
they're doing with what they had to work

1208
01:21:54.399 --> 01:21:58.600
with since then over the past couple
of weeks. Yeah, I wasn't in

1209
01:21:58.720 --> 01:22:01.800
favor of it. I get it. I think there is an audience that

1210
01:22:01.920 --> 01:22:06.439
really wants to see a championship on
Raw. I mean, it is kind

1211
01:22:06.439 --> 01:22:10.159
of crazy when they said it's been
nearly two years since they've had a title

1212
01:22:10.199 --> 01:22:13.680
match on Raw, and even crazier
I would. I was kind of like,

1213
01:22:13.720 --> 01:22:18.520
oh, I would have guessed longer. It's it's weird that they didn't

1214
01:22:18.560 --> 01:22:24.119
do more with Roman working with Raw
talent occasionally to try to make it seem

1215
01:22:24.159 --> 01:22:29.800
like they had a chance at that
championship too. But so you know it's

1216
01:22:29.880 --> 01:22:34.479
here. Seth was the logical choice. I don't know how much they planned

1217
01:22:34.520 --> 01:22:39.880
for this when it came to the
draft. It's strange looking at that roster.

1218
01:22:40.039 --> 01:22:44.720
I don't see a lot of really
compelling matches for Seth Rawlins as world

1219
01:22:44.760 --> 01:22:47.640
champion. I mean, they're already
going back to Finn fricking Baalor, it

1220
01:22:47.680 --> 01:22:53.239
looked like, and hopefully that's just
a TV match. Yes, they work

1221
01:22:53.319 --> 01:22:57.399
well, they'll have good matches.
Yeah, no one believed Finn Balor's beating

1222
01:22:57.399 --> 01:23:00.840
Seth Rollins for that championship. There
was more belief in Damian Priest fresh off

1223
01:23:00.880 --> 01:23:03.279
a loss to Rawlings. Then there
are believers that Finn Balor's going to win

1224
01:23:03.279 --> 01:23:11.560
that championship. I'm sorry that.
Yes, that is a problem that instantly

1225
01:23:11.680 --> 01:23:15.880
is presenting itself, as with roster
split. How credible are the opponents for

1226
01:23:16.079 --> 01:23:20.920
Seth and how believable is it is
Damian Priest turning baby face? Is that

1227
01:23:20.960 --> 01:23:25.199
what we saw last night with a
pretty stand up version of himself at the

1228
01:23:25.199 --> 01:23:29.439
promo at the top of the show, followed by the given Finn a dirty

1229
01:23:29.479 --> 01:23:31.880
look when he wanted to just fight
Seth alone. It seemed like it,

1230
01:23:31.960 --> 01:23:35.920
But I don't get it. You
know, they have Cody and Seth and

1231
01:23:36.119 --> 01:23:41.840
Ko and Sammy, they need strong
heels. There's Goonther and I assume they're

1232
01:23:41.840 --> 01:23:44.640
going to hold off on that until
a key show, and you know,

1233
01:23:44.680 --> 01:23:47.920
eventually a Goonther and sat there some
baby face with her Cody or set in

1234
01:23:48.000 --> 01:23:55.479
a showdown match. But that seems
more WrestleMania than anytime soon, and I

1235
01:23:55.600 --> 01:23:59.279
just, yeah, I'm struggling when
I look at that roster to see meaningful

1236
01:23:59.319 --> 01:24:03.239
heels. You have one im Priest, and so unless they really feel like

1237
01:24:03.279 --> 01:24:06.600
they need a Puerto Rican sensation because
they want to do more business in Puerto

1238
01:24:06.720 --> 01:24:10.800
Rico when bad money is not available, I don't really get this move if

1239
01:24:10.800 --> 01:24:14.000
that's where it's going. Yeah,
I was surprised too, because when you

1240
01:24:14.039 --> 01:24:17.279
look at the depth chart, you're
like, where are the heel opponents coming

1241
01:24:17.279 --> 01:24:21.439
from? And then Priest impresses people
against bad Bunny and it's like, okay,

1242
01:24:21.520 --> 01:24:25.359
let's get behind him, and then
he jobs last week, and then

1243
01:24:25.399 --> 01:24:29.239
this week they do this open Challenge
quick match with Seth instead of building up

1244
01:24:29.279 --> 01:24:30.560
to it over time. But if
the idea is turning him, then that

1245
01:24:30.560 --> 01:24:36.560
works or that explains why they're doing
it. At least I wonder if one

1246
01:24:36.600 --> 01:24:42.600
of the more compelling opponents for Seth
as a heel on the horizon is Matt

1247
01:24:42.640 --> 01:24:45.560
Riddle. Sure I could see that. Yeah, Like I like that,

1248
01:24:45.640 --> 01:24:49.840
and I mean something on rawles and
I sort of felt like maybe they're planning

1249
01:24:49.840 --> 01:24:55.439
the Seeds in terms of how they've
been framing him and talking about him,

1250
01:24:55.479 --> 01:24:58.239
and so I wonder because to me, I like that better than Seth and

1251
01:24:58.560 --> 01:25:01.079
Priest. I thought the Matchwasson was
fine, um, and I think Priest

1252
01:25:01.159 --> 01:25:04.239
is good. Then whenever the hell
Priest was wearing, it made him look

1253
01:25:04.239 --> 01:25:06.880
like he was straight out in Rocky
Horror Picture Show. What was that?

1254
01:25:08.079 --> 01:25:12.680
Right? Yes? And I mean
I think Priest has is at a good

1255
01:25:12.760 --> 01:25:16.000
spot. And I don't mind him
being a number three baby face on raw

1256
01:25:16.880 --> 01:25:19.520
or number four baby face. I
don't want him my number one, number

1257
01:25:19.600 --> 01:25:21.920
five you got Kaole and Sammy.
I mean, I guess if you want

1258
01:25:21.920 --> 01:25:25.039
to call him one act, that's
yeah, that's the thing. I mean,

1259
01:25:25.079 --> 01:25:28.000
if they are, if they are
one act right now. But yeah,

1260
01:25:28.039 --> 01:25:30.560
I mean a top six baby face
even, Like I'm fine with that

1261
01:25:30.720 --> 01:25:32.399
rotating, you know, depending on
if he's a singles or baby face or

1262
01:25:32.399 --> 01:25:35.319
singles or tag team and you know, kao and Sammy in that mix.

1263
01:25:35.800 --> 01:25:42.319
Um that works. But I'm intrigued
with with Riddle turning heel and you know

1264
01:25:42.319 --> 01:25:45.279
we talk about takesh Deen fans going
no, we like him. You know

1265
01:25:45.439 --> 01:25:47.640
Riddle turns There's gonna be a lot
of a wide range of demographics who watched

1266
01:25:47.720 --> 01:25:49.760
w B going no, we liked
Riddle? What's up with this? And

1267
01:25:49.880 --> 01:25:53.760
I can't wait for Andy to come
back and straighten him out. But it's

1268
01:25:53.800 --> 01:25:58.640
a to me that feels fresh.
I know Riddle was sacrificed against Roman,

1269
01:25:59.079 --> 01:26:00.920
we were there for that. They
have to find him down a bit,

1270
01:26:00.960 --> 01:26:04.600
but there's nothing like a turn that
can freshen things up in terms of getting

1271
01:26:04.600 --> 01:26:10.960
people look at somebody in new light. Yeah, I think Riddle could use

1272
01:26:11.000 --> 01:26:14.159
that. It's just not the same
with him as a baby face. And

1273
01:26:14.600 --> 01:26:17.399
I'm all for the character maturing and
not being a simpleton stone or idiot,

1274
01:26:17.960 --> 01:26:24.279
but it just hasn't connected with whatever
he's doing now hasn't connected in the same

1275
01:26:24.319 --> 01:26:29.159
way that that Dufaus lovable Dufaus character
did. And so yeah, they want

1276
01:26:29.159 --> 01:26:30.720
to go heal with him. Great. My concern with Priest, like if

1277
01:26:30.720 --> 01:26:38.119
he's top five, Let's say he's
fifth or even fourth on the depth chart.

1278
01:26:38.520 --> 01:26:41.880
Would you rather have a fourth or
fifth baby face than a second or

1279
01:26:41.960 --> 01:26:45.720
third heel when you're well, you
know, when you have Cody and set

1280
01:26:45.760 --> 01:26:50.840
there as your top baby faces.
Again, I questioned this decision. If

1281
01:26:50.840 --> 01:26:55.079
that's where they're going, I assume
they're going to slide J. D.

1282
01:26:55.239 --> 01:27:00.880
McDonough into the Judgment day act,
and I even have concern about that because

1283
01:27:00.920 --> 01:27:02.439
then all of a sudden, you
a priest to add something with his size.

1284
01:27:03.039 --> 01:27:06.840
All of a sudden, Balor and
McDonough and dom and Ria and Riah

1285
01:27:06.920 --> 01:27:12.199
is suddenly the biggest person in that
faction. You know. I know size

1286
01:27:12.239 --> 01:27:15.359
isn't what it once was, but
I do think free size gives them a

1287
01:27:15.359 --> 01:27:20.880
little bit of the credibility boost.
Yeah, yeah, it is Seth clearly

1288
01:27:20.920 --> 01:27:27.680
the right choice to remain champion for
a while. I like that they've differentiated

1289
01:27:27.920 --> 01:27:31.720
what Seth wants to do with the
title compared to Roman, but I am

1290
01:27:31.920 --> 01:27:35.319
concerned. My caveat is, you
don't want to bury Roman's title reign,

1291
01:27:35.359 --> 01:27:41.199
which is so important and over and
meaningful. At you don't want to You

1292
01:27:41.199 --> 01:27:43.840
don't want to demean what Roman is
doing or make people think, yeah,

1293
01:27:43.880 --> 01:27:45.399
this isn't as big of a title
reign as I thought, because it doesn't

1294
01:27:45.439 --> 01:27:48.600
defend it very often. If Seth
is over on Rob badmouthing him. So

1295
01:27:49.039 --> 01:27:54.279
it's walking this fine line between let's
elevate Seth's title and make it seem relevant

1296
01:27:54.279 --> 01:27:59.079
and differentiated from the Roman title,
but not bury Roman at the same time,

1297
01:27:59.119 --> 01:28:02.399
because that makes a bad situation of
having two world titles even worse when

1298
01:28:02.399 --> 01:28:09.199
the one that was really over you
start undercutting. Ooh. It's just a

1299
01:28:09.279 --> 01:28:13.520
strange situation where you have such a
dominant champion and the logic they use to

1300
01:28:13.560 --> 01:28:17.800
get to this championship, and I
don't know that Seth needs to have a

1301
01:28:17.880 --> 01:28:21.760
long title reign and we know they
love those right now, I think it's

1302
01:28:21.800 --> 01:28:26.640
okay if he has a three month
title reign and if there's somebody that makes

1303
01:28:26.680 --> 01:28:30.159
more sense to go with, great, If he catches on and people are

1304
01:28:30.159 --> 01:28:32.479
really into it, then obviously stick
with it. But I would not be

1305
01:28:32.560 --> 01:28:36.439
going into this going well, Roman
has his thousand day rain, we got

1306
01:28:36.439 --> 01:28:39.760
to go at least a year with
Seth. I wouldn't be taken. I

1307
01:28:39.800 --> 01:28:45.279
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01:29:43.520 --> 01:29:46.479
the New World Pedal. I still
can't believe they had Prestick the pinfall loss

1320
01:29:46.640 --> 01:29:49.720
in the Tag Team ash the week
before. I think they wanted to protect

1321
01:29:49.720 --> 01:29:53.399
Balor because Balor's is going to be
the actual challenger to Seth, who were

1322
01:29:53.439 --> 01:29:57.359
supposed to believe as a threat.
Then you screwed up. Yeah, I'm

1323
01:29:57.399 --> 01:30:00.840
sorry, but I think people would
have been more into the possibility of priests

1324
01:30:01.000 --> 01:30:04.319
rather than we've seen Rollin's in battlet
We've been there and done it, and

1325
01:30:04.319 --> 01:30:09.920
they're so infatuated with Finn blowing a
shoulder out in that match after taking the

1326
01:30:09.960 --> 01:30:15.439
Barrett like move on already this is
ancient history, and then poor priests had

1327
01:30:15.439 --> 01:30:18.840
to take the same damn move.
And I hope he's selling I did too.

1328
01:30:18.960 --> 01:30:24.239
That look that didn't look well done, And I mean, that's not

1329
01:30:24.319 --> 01:30:28.039
a move you that. That is
a move that wrest are explain to me

1330
01:30:28.199 --> 01:30:31.000
is easy to get injured on because
if you look backwards to see your distance,

1331
01:30:31.319 --> 01:30:35.199
you're you're not hitting, because the
goal with bumping is to spread it

1332
01:30:35.199 --> 01:30:41.840
out evenly, proportionally across the part
that's getting that's absorbing the impact. And

1333
01:30:41.920 --> 01:30:45.159
with that move, if you look
over your shoulder to see your distance,

1334
01:30:45.399 --> 01:30:47.880
you're by definition, shifting one shoulder
closer to the barricade than the other.

1335
01:30:48.039 --> 01:30:53.000
And when you don't land evenly,
it's like, you know, sleeping on

1336
01:30:53.039 --> 01:30:57.239
a bad pillow, except all at
once everything gets or bad mattress. Everything

1337
01:30:57.239 --> 01:31:00.319
gets thrown out of whack, and
it did seem like that that have been

1338
01:31:00.319 --> 01:31:02.920
the case. Hopefully not, but
it's just it's just a move where you

1339
01:31:02.960 --> 01:31:08.720
gotta trust the other guy. And
I don't know that that looked the way

1340
01:31:08.760 --> 01:31:10.880
you want it to look. What
can you do that? Yeah? What

1341
01:31:10.920 --> 01:31:14.199
do you think the driving force is
in this belief that Finn Balor is a

1342
01:31:14.199 --> 01:31:17.399
believable challenger for Seth? Are they
just getting caught up in the matches,

1343
01:31:17.439 --> 01:31:20.319
matches and nothing but matches mentality of
oh, it's going to be a good

1344
01:31:20.319 --> 01:31:24.640
match, so let's go with that. I think they believe that they have

1345
01:31:25.359 --> 01:31:30.560
enough other big matches on whatever pls
they have scheduled for Seth and Balor to

1346
01:31:30.600 --> 01:31:32.800
be a match that they don't need
to give away the top tier SETH match.

1347
01:31:32.880 --> 01:31:38.079
So this is filler um maybe filler's
outhword, but I think I think

1348
01:31:38.119 --> 01:31:42.520
they're thinking, let's save the bigger
SETH matches when we don't have Let's say

1349
01:31:42.520 --> 01:31:47.079
that, let's say there's a Pale
with Roman against Jimmy and Cody against Brock

1350
01:31:47.399 --> 01:31:51.600
and the money in the bank matches, Well, you don't need a major

1351
01:31:53.840 --> 01:31:56.680
SETH match at that point. So
you do Seth Balor for now and then

1352
01:31:56.680 --> 01:31:58.960
when you don't have as strong and
I don't know that they'll all be on

1353
01:31:58.960 --> 01:32:00.720
the same show. They probably won't
be, obviously, because Cody Dominic will

1354
01:32:00.720 --> 01:32:03.079
probably at money in the bank.
I don't even know. I haven't really

1355
01:32:03.159 --> 01:32:08.239
settled in on and I don't know
if it's become super clear, um win

1356
01:32:08.359 --> 01:32:10.840
these matches all congregate, But I
did that for the sake of example.

1357
01:32:11.039 --> 01:32:14.079
To me, they know Seth balories
at B level title defense, and they

1358
01:32:14.079 --> 01:32:16.439
don't want to load up the show
that that's on, so they they want

1359
01:32:16.439 --> 01:32:18.920
to save a bigger Seth match for
later. That that's my take on it.

1360
01:32:20.119 --> 01:32:24.439
Yeah, I just hope we'll get
to the point where they start planning

1361
01:32:24.439 --> 01:32:27.000
these things out. I mean we
I just had to look it up,

1362
01:32:27.239 --> 01:32:30.960
but I knew it was fairly recent. We just saw a Seth beat Ballor

1363
01:32:30.119 --> 01:32:35.760
on May eighth. Yep, yep, yep. I know. And it

1364
01:32:35.800 --> 01:32:39.079
takes. It takes. I mean, I'm not I'm not gonna sell anyone

1365
01:32:39.119 --> 01:32:41.960
on the idea that it's gonna be
a good match, but no one's gonna

1366
01:32:42.000 --> 01:32:45.680
buy Balories beating Seth. But but
not every title match do you need to

1367
01:32:45.720 --> 01:32:46.920
buy that the person's gonna win.
Jason, you and I talked on the

1368
01:32:46.920 --> 01:32:49.920
phone during the whole Coogan How show
tours back in the day. Try to

1369
01:32:49.960 --> 01:32:54.439
convince ourselves at Hercules is gonna be
who Cogan in our hometown. Um,

1370
01:32:55.119 --> 01:32:58.520
but you still can't believe he didn't
do it. But we knew, you

1371
01:32:58.560 --> 01:33:00.199
know it was unlikely, but you
want to you know, we wanted to

1372
01:33:00.199 --> 01:33:02.079
be there for a title change.
We talked ourselves into it. Some fans

1373
01:33:02.079 --> 01:33:09.079
will talk themselves into it, but
they're not. Not every title defense needs

1374
01:33:09.119 --> 01:33:12.359
to be a match where you think
the champ might lose. Sometimes you watch

1375
01:33:12.680 --> 01:33:15.560
for other reasons because you want to
see the heel losing. You're gonna take

1376
01:33:15.560 --> 01:33:18.399
satisfaction and witnessing it, or you're
just into the story that the champion is

1377
01:33:18.439 --> 01:33:20.960
on and it's going to be a
good match. And I think there's enough

1378
01:33:21.000 --> 01:33:25.560
of that with Seth Balor to be
to be okay. Not every Seth match

1379
01:33:25.680 --> 01:33:28.439
is going to be the WrestleMania match, and not every card is going to

1380
01:33:28.520 --> 01:33:31.760
have the very best match possible on
it because you'd use them up too quick.

1381
01:33:32.760 --> 01:33:39.680
I guess I just worry again looking
at their depth chart. We better

1382
01:33:39.720 --> 01:33:44.720
branch for a lot of this unless
they get Brandy Orton drew back and fire

1383
01:33:45.439 --> 01:33:48.039
is that they need some returns.
The riddle turn I think would help.

1384
01:33:48.399 --> 01:33:51.239
I don't think you're messing with ko
when Shammy anytime soon. I think that

1385
01:33:51.239 --> 01:33:55.880
would be a mistake. And so
yeah, again, Gunter is a long

1386
01:33:56.000 --> 01:34:00.199
term thing. I would hope,
you know. I mean, you need

1387
01:34:00.239 --> 01:34:02.359
somebody to take that championship, and
you want to heal. He's your guy.

1388
01:34:02.479 --> 01:34:05.000
You could do that. You don't
have to wait. I mean raunch

1389
01:34:05.079 --> 01:34:08.800
and reads there, but they can't
decide whether to get behind him or not.

1390
01:34:08.840 --> 01:34:12.359
It seems like from week to week. I mean there's there are some

1391
01:34:12.600 --> 01:34:17.640
people, but it just doesn't look
like they went into this draft thinking about

1392
01:34:17.840 --> 01:34:20.640
we're gonna have Seth. There's a
baby based champion. Who were his challengers?

1393
01:34:21.760 --> 01:34:25.760
Well, Julian from London had a
question on Seth. Also, it's

1394
01:34:25.800 --> 01:34:29.439
perfect timing. Let's bring this up. Can you explain Seth rawlins to me?

1395
01:34:29.520 --> 01:34:31.319
I don't understand why people are excited
to have him as a new champion.

1396
01:34:31.560 --> 01:34:34.479
He feels so stale. There's barely
a match involving Seth. I haven't

1397
01:34:34.479 --> 01:34:39.479
already seen after his eleven years on
the main roster. Maybe even thought last

1398
01:34:39.520 --> 01:34:42.520
month he will never feel like the
biggest star in the company and instantly makes

1399
01:34:42.560 --> 01:34:45.399
a new championship seem lesser than laughing
maniacally and having a catchy song is not

1400
01:34:45.439 --> 01:34:48.279
the same as having a character.
I know defense love singing along, but

1401
01:34:48.279 --> 01:34:50.960
I don't believe that translates to them
caring if he wins and loses. I

1402
01:34:51.000 --> 01:34:54.199
do like rawlins and he will always
deliver in the ring, but I feel

1403
01:34:54.199 --> 01:34:56.399
like his best role at the moment
is getting over new stars, as he

1404
01:34:56.439 --> 01:35:00.520
did successfully with Cody. What am
I missing? So on the Rapos shoal

1405
01:35:00.600 --> 01:35:02.319
last night, we had callers and
I was like co responds talking about like,

1406
01:35:02.399 --> 01:35:06.079
if Seth just downplay the laugh,
they'd be more into him. You

1407
01:35:06.079 --> 01:35:11.479
know, it feels little cartoonish and
authentic. So what do you say to

1408
01:35:11.560 --> 01:35:15.640
Julian's case and is there something that
you think would improve Seth's act to take

1409
01:35:15.640 --> 01:35:19.800
away some of the negatives that people
feel towards him. Yeah, more of

1410
01:35:19.840 --> 01:35:26.840
what we saw in those sit down
interviews leading into him winning the championship at

1411
01:35:26.840 --> 01:35:30.760
the Saudi Show. I think there
just needs to be a little more realness

1412
01:35:30.800 --> 01:35:35.920
from him and you can still do
the flamboyant stuff and I think the cackle

1413
01:35:36.279 --> 01:35:40.600
some people love and some people hate
it. Whatever, But I do feel

1414
01:35:40.600 --> 01:35:45.239
like there needs to be a realness
to the character in addition to some of

1415
01:35:45.239 --> 01:35:46.800
the over the top things that he's
been doing. And if you get that,

1416
01:35:47.479 --> 01:35:53.079
I think he'll be fine. He's
over And you know, it's easy

1417
01:35:53.079 --> 01:35:56.720
to say how the fans just like
Shanning his music. They do. But

1418
01:35:56.840 --> 01:36:00.520
if you, let's say, you
know, Otis had this same mused,

1419
01:36:00.520 --> 01:36:02.039
well, maybe he's a bad example
because people love voice. But you know

1420
01:36:02.079 --> 01:36:04.600
what I'm saying, if you put
you gave that music to somebody else,

1421
01:36:04.920 --> 01:36:09.640
I don't think the reaction would be
as strong as it is. And it's

1422
01:36:09.680 --> 01:36:13.279
as stained as it isn't mean there's
is an audience that's really into Seth.

1423
01:36:13.479 --> 01:36:15.800
I think there's also an audience that's
been watching a while this character just isn't

1424
01:36:15.840 --> 01:36:19.079
connecting with it. I get it, I do, It's it's not my

1425
01:36:19.159 --> 01:36:26.199
favorite version of Seth Rollins. Yeah, I am okay with Seth being the

1426
01:36:26.279 --> 01:36:29.159
champion, I am. I mean, I don't. I don't to me

1427
01:36:29.840 --> 01:36:31.720
rushing Cody into winning a belt that
wasn't the belt that he wanted to win

1428
01:36:31.760 --> 01:36:38.279
from Roman has a stain on it
that Seth winning this title doesn't um And

1429
01:36:39.199 --> 01:36:42.359
I just don't know that there's like
a better candidate that's jumping out to me

1430
01:36:42.439 --> 01:36:45.039
at this moment. But I think
they should be preparing for the possibility that

1431
01:36:45.079 --> 01:36:49.560
a lot of people feel like Julian
and I think Seth. I think Seth

1432
01:36:49.640 --> 01:36:54.000
wants to be a great champion and
have a historical reign like I like that.

1433
01:36:54.079 --> 01:36:57.359
I believe that Seth is motivated to
make people care about his matches and

1434
01:36:57.439 --> 01:37:00.640
his title and make and take away
the negative stigma of this being a second

1435
01:37:00.640 --> 01:37:03.199
world title reintroduced, and I think
that's good to have a wrestler like that.

1436
01:37:03.439 --> 01:37:08.640
I wish there were more people in
aw who seemed as hungry and professionally

1437
01:37:08.680 --> 01:37:13.039
driven as Seth. So there's some
real good things, but Julian brings up

1438
01:37:13.159 --> 01:37:15.279
some of the negatives we here quite
often. And he's got a song that's

1439
01:37:15.319 --> 01:37:19.760
over and he's you know, bombastic
and colorful. But I think it's still

1440
01:37:19.760 --> 01:37:24.479
a work in progress as a character. But I don't know that there's anybody

1441
01:37:24.479 --> 01:37:27.880
else who I think at this stage
is ready. Maybe Guther at some point.

1442
01:37:28.680 --> 01:37:30.039
I doubt it he'll Riddle will be
a guy that they, you know,

1443
01:37:30.159 --> 01:37:34.720
go with. There's not a ton
of depth, you know, on

1444
01:37:34.760 --> 01:37:41.399
the raw roster for for other heal
options to take the title from Seth,

1445
01:37:41.439 --> 01:37:43.399
and that's you know, part of
the problem and part of white Seth,

1446
01:37:43.439 --> 01:37:46.239
I think is the best choice among
the options. And maybe, I mean,

1447
01:37:46.560 --> 01:37:49.199
I guess be happy if you're a
Cody fan that he didn't win the

1448
01:37:49.439 --> 01:37:53.680
championship and NIPA and Raw the matches
would be fresher. You know, Seth

1449
01:37:53.760 --> 01:37:58.199
been around for so long and based
so many people, but that they're like

1450
01:37:58.279 --> 01:38:01.199
it'd be if Cody were the holding
this championship, which he should, and

1451
01:38:01.239 --> 01:38:03.640
I'm with you, it should.
You know that that was not his goal,

1452
01:38:03.840 --> 01:38:06.960
but if he did, I think
he'd run into some of the same

1453
01:38:08.119 --> 01:38:12.560
issues. And I think Guther could
be the guy right now. But I

1454
01:38:12.600 --> 01:38:16.920
don't need another super super strong heel
holding another championship in WWE. Would you

1455
01:38:16.960 --> 01:38:27.039
have that happen? I got the
other brand. Yeah. Longing for some

1456
01:38:27.119 --> 01:38:31.239
nostalgia or maybe you want to learn
some wrestling history, don't miss the nineties

1457
01:38:31.279 --> 01:38:35.640
Pass, cast every Friday on the
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1458
01:38:35.680 --> 01:38:41.119
Patrick will transport you thirty years into
the past by taking you through the Torch

1459
01:38:41.399 --> 01:38:45.319
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news from the WWF and WCW and all

1460
01:38:45.399 --> 01:38:49.840
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1461
01:38:49.960 --> 01:38:55.560
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1462
01:38:55.800 --> 01:39:10.720
Daily Cast Feed. What do you
think of Rona Rails and Chata Base are

1463
01:39:10.720 --> 01:39:15.399
so far as take champs um a
competitive match with Katana Chance and Canan Carter

1464
01:39:15.520 --> 01:39:18.520
last night, but they're you know, ultimately they're this, you know,

1465
01:39:18.560 --> 01:39:23.119
being portrayed as a bully dominant tag
team who have expressly said on Raw last

1466
01:39:23.239 --> 01:39:26.359
night they want to elevate the women's
take team titles and make them mean more.

1467
01:39:26.520 --> 01:39:28.920
It's kind of like Seth in the
World Title you want you know,

1468
01:39:28.920 --> 01:39:31.479
you've got baby faces and Heels saying
and Gunther two. I mean, like

1469
01:39:31.680 --> 01:39:36.000
all the major titles on Raw have
champions who who are really talking about wanting

1470
01:39:36.039 --> 01:39:41.279
to bring a certain level of prestige
and gravitas to the belts that they're holding

1471
01:39:41.279 --> 01:39:45.159
based on how they how they win
and who they beat seeing is believing.

1472
01:39:45.600 --> 01:39:49.920
We've heard this from numerous WWE women's
tag team champions, and I just don't

1473
01:39:49.960 --> 01:39:54.680
think they haveing augh depth to make
this. You know, maybe if you

1474
01:39:54.720 --> 01:39:58.560
can get a baby Face team over, they can have a you know,

1475
01:39:59.479 --> 01:40:04.279
ninety A program or something and elevate
those titles to some extent. But usually

1476
01:40:04.279 --> 01:40:10.399
it just consists of there's the champions
and then there's two singles wrestlers we're throwing

1477
01:40:10.439 --> 01:40:14.720
together. So I like that Carter
and Chance have history as a team and

1478
01:40:14.760 --> 01:40:17.079
all of that. They're they're pretty
good. I just don't think there's enough

1479
01:40:17.359 --> 01:40:25.439
teams like that in WWE. I
don't think that they really care about the

1480
01:40:25.560 --> 01:40:30.479
women's tag team titles. Saw how
much that irritated Bailey and Sasha Banks and

1481
01:40:30.520 --> 01:40:33.560
then Sasha Banks and Naomi and Ronda. Rousey's already kind of chirping about it

1482
01:40:33.560 --> 01:40:36.680
a little bit too. And I
don't know that this ends any better.

1483
01:40:39.680 --> 01:40:42.520
What should they do with the two
women's titles on the wrong brand at this

1484
01:40:42.560 --> 01:40:46.239
point? I'm hoping that there are
new titles coming, like new belts.

1485
01:40:46.359 --> 01:40:51.439
Yeah, and they're just right yeah
that they're they're giving up on the Rouns

1486
01:40:51.520 --> 01:40:56.159
and SmackDown. I don't know why
they wouldn't have had them ready by now,

1487
01:40:56.720 --> 01:41:00.520
but yeah, something's got I mean
they're not even talking about a belt

1488
01:41:00.560 --> 01:41:05.119
swamp. No, so like a
women's universal title and a women's world title.

1489
01:41:05.359 --> 01:41:09.279
Do they just go to the world
in universal works for me? Yeah,

1490
01:41:09.319 --> 01:41:12.600
I mean it's better than color coding
and brand coating and drafting people and

1491
01:41:12.640 --> 01:41:15.560
doing belt trades every time that happens. But I mean, I'm per I

1492
01:41:15.600 --> 01:41:17.800
know people are growing up at the
belt trade. I'll take a belt trade

1493
01:41:17.840 --> 01:41:26.399
over being perpetually confused in my own
head overweight, she's on she's a SmackDown

1494
01:41:26.479 --> 01:41:29.319
champ on raw or vice versa,
or is she making a guest appearance?

1495
01:41:29.520 --> 01:41:32.880
You know, like just we need
we need the roster split to saddle and

1496
01:41:33.079 --> 01:41:35.960
there to be some semblance of logic
in order to where everyone is and what

1497
01:41:36.000 --> 01:41:40.720
belt they're holding. Will that be
in the next great Paulo back appearance on

1498
01:41:40.840 --> 01:41:45.119
Rons to hand off another title belt? Yes? Yes, perfect, I

1499
01:41:45.159 --> 01:41:48.239
do think that will be answer.
Okay, let's let's have two money on

1500
01:41:48.279 --> 01:41:51.800
a bank and worth things stand with
the men's and women's site. Since we're

1501
01:41:51.800 --> 01:41:55.159
talking women here, will stick with
that. We got to lean a veg

1502
01:41:55.199 --> 01:41:58.039
up Becky Lynch, so we Stark, and then it's either going to be

1503
01:41:58.079 --> 01:42:02.479
Bailey or Meechin and or Eo.
And then there's still someone else we don't

1504
01:42:02.520 --> 01:42:06.680
know who will be added. Without
a complete picture, it's you know,

1505
01:42:06.680 --> 01:42:11.119
I don't want to get too deep
into making predictions, but I see various

1506
01:42:11.119 --> 01:42:15.239
candidates like I think Bailey could use
the win and running around at a briefcase

1507
01:42:15.520 --> 01:42:18.479
I think suits her gimmick and her
character. I think you know, skywinning

1508
01:42:18.560 --> 01:42:24.159
in that irking Bailey and Bailey having
to be supportive sort of in the way

1509
01:42:24.199 --> 01:42:28.319
Britt has has had to be supportive
of Jamie Hayter. That can work,

1510
01:42:28.680 --> 01:42:33.880
But I also like Zoe Stark getting
a boost from it. But maybe Becky

1511
01:42:34.000 --> 01:42:39.119
Lynch that's her path to just naming
a date and cashing in. I think

1512
01:42:39.119 --> 01:42:43.319
Cela Vega is having a nice run
right now, but I wouldn't give her

1513
01:42:43.319 --> 01:42:45.840
the briefcase as a baby face who's
already had a title shot and come up

1514
01:42:45.880 --> 01:42:49.359
short. That doesn't work. But
to me, Bailey, Sky Stark,

1515
01:42:49.399 --> 01:42:55.880
and Lynch all as of this moment, seem like candidates whom I could imagine

1516
01:42:55.960 --> 01:43:01.119
winning and I could see a defensible
to see it being a good move based

1517
01:43:01.159 --> 01:43:03.159
on various stories I could tell with
each of them, who are you?

1518
01:43:03.920 --> 01:43:08.760
Yeah, I think he summed it
up. None of it really excites me

1519
01:43:08.800 --> 01:43:13.960
all that much because of the way
the MEN'SID played out. I still continue

1520
01:43:13.960 --> 01:43:19.279
to wonder if we're getting the legendary
WWA second chance qualifier when we erased any

1521
01:43:19.279 --> 01:43:24.039
good that we've done was surprising you
in these qualifying matches by oh, hey,

1522
01:43:24.079 --> 01:43:26.279
that person that you were surprised to
see, gone, Yeah, they're

1523
01:43:26.279 --> 01:43:30.159
in after all, name le Bronson
read, I wouldn't be surprised if he

1524
01:43:30.199 --> 01:43:34.119
gets in. I don't even I
haven't kept close tabs on who's been Like,

1525
01:43:34.199 --> 01:43:36.439
off top of my head, I
can't tell you who's been eliminated on

1526
01:43:36.439 --> 01:43:40.640
the women's side of things, But
I wonder if that's how they'll do it

1527
01:43:40.920 --> 01:43:44.000
now they did it was weird.
I know we're talking about the women,

1528
01:43:44.039 --> 01:43:46.359
but I thought that was strange that
they told us last week that Matt Riddle

1529
01:43:46.840 --> 01:43:49.920
was going to be an a qualified
A on this coming Monday show, and

1530
01:43:50.000 --> 01:43:54.600
I don't think they brought that up
last night. Yeah, it's been a

1531
01:43:54.640 --> 01:43:57.560
little confusing in terms of how they
framed it. I wish they would just

1532
01:43:57.600 --> 01:44:01.399
announce them all at once. Yeah, just here's here's it's like a tournament.

1533
01:44:01.399 --> 01:44:05.600
You don't just piecemeal reveal who's going
to be in a tournament while it's

1534
01:44:05.600 --> 01:44:10.199
taking place. Yeah, both companies
do, and I can't stand it.

1535
01:44:10.359 --> 01:44:15.800
So, so they have Baron corbyan
against Riddle listed on Wikipedia as a match

1536
01:44:15.840 --> 01:44:20.039
that hasn't happened yet that will be
a qualifier for Riddle. So do they

1537
01:44:20.199 --> 01:44:25.720
I assume they'll just go through with
that? Oh yeah, I guess.

1538
01:44:25.760 --> 01:44:28.279
I didn't even know where they I
don't know where the Baron Corbyn thing came

1539
01:44:28.319 --> 01:44:30.640
from. Yeah, no, I
don't either. I'm just but there's a

1540
01:44:30.439 --> 01:44:34.800
collection of the entire universe of people
who update Wikipedia, um and with wrestling,

1541
01:44:34.840 --> 01:44:36.880
it's pretty reliable when it comes to
this type of thing. But I

1542
01:44:36.880 --> 01:44:40.600
don't remember them announcing it. So, but I assume at some point it

1543
01:44:40.840 --> 01:44:44.640
did, maybe maybe ONWA dot com
even Yeah that could be. Yeah.

1544
01:44:44.680 --> 01:44:46.439
So but they still have a TBA
in there, you know, to be

1545
01:44:46.479 --> 01:44:49.359
announced, and it's like why,
I you know why, you know what

1546
01:44:49.399 --> 01:44:51.439
it's gonna be. It's gonna be
the second Chance match, isn't it.

1547
01:44:51.600 --> 01:44:56.800
Yeah? That's what I'm saying.
Yeah, it's going to be Yeah,

1548
01:44:57.000 --> 01:45:00.880
Yeah, you're right, yep.
Um. So on the women's side,

1549
01:45:01.880 --> 01:45:06.279
of the candidates who have already been
eliminated for last Chance and the names that

1550
01:45:06.319 --> 01:45:12.399
I mentioned, do you have a
far and away favorite pick, like that's

1551
01:45:12.439 --> 01:45:15.600
the direction they should go. Um, let me pull this up here really

1552
01:45:15.680 --> 01:45:20.319
quick too, because I have a
bad habit of forgetting somebody something obvious.

1553
01:45:20.359 --> 01:45:27.239
But yeah, I don't think it's
one of the three people who have qualified.

1554
01:45:27.239 --> 01:45:30.000
I don't think it's Zelena. I
don't think it's Becky. I don't

1555
01:45:30.000 --> 01:45:34.319
think it's Zoey Stark. I think
it's EO Sky or, as you said,

1556
01:45:34.319 --> 01:45:38.600
Bailey. Yep. I need a
personally, I could use a longer

1557
01:45:38.640 --> 01:45:43.640
break from Bailey being involved in something
meaningful. It just was damage control was

1558
01:45:43.680 --> 01:45:48.159
so awful. They clearly want to
get to EO and OSCA and I'm entertained

1559
01:45:48.159 --> 01:45:51.680
by that. So yeah, my
heart says EO, my head says Bailey.

1560
01:45:53.359 --> 01:45:55.840
All right, I can go with
that. So yeah. On the

1561
01:45:55.880 --> 01:45:59.239
men's side, speaking of which we've
got riddling Corbin. I assume I will

1562
01:45:59.279 --> 01:46:03.520
win decisive um and then and you
know, we talk about Riddle maybe turning

1563
01:46:03.520 --> 01:46:06.800
heell if he wins money in the
bank. But oh, wait a minute,

1564
01:46:08.840 --> 01:46:16.520
so it's I want to make sure
it's Butch or Baron Corbin. So

1565
01:46:16.920 --> 01:46:20.560
yeah, I'm looking at Wikipedia now. Butch and Baron Corbin have a qualifier

1566
01:46:20.600 --> 01:46:25.920
and SmackDown. Riddle is listed as
Matt Riddle or TBA, so they don't

1567
01:46:25.960 --> 01:46:30.159
know he's acrona either. Oh,
you're right, that's why. Oh yeah,

1568
01:46:30.199 --> 01:46:34.720
that was confusing on my spacing hair
on my on my browser. Oh

1569
01:46:34.800 --> 01:46:39.600
interesting, Yeah, so you're you're
right, and and I'm wrong in Wikipedia's

1570
01:46:39.640 --> 01:46:42.760
right, and I just read it
wrong. Yeah, yeah, so yeah,

1571
01:46:42.760 --> 01:46:45.520
this is confusing. So I can
always get thrown off by the way

1572
01:46:45.520 --> 01:46:48.199
they list at on Wikipedia every every
year. It's it is logical. I

1573
01:46:48.199 --> 01:46:50.880
mean, it's logical. I just
screwed up. So yeah, Ricochet versus

1574
01:46:50.960 --> 01:46:57.199
Shinska versus l A Night versus sent
Olseska, bar or Mustafa Ali versus Butch

1575
01:46:57.359 --> 01:47:02.319
or Baron Corbin versus First Yeah,
Matt Riddle or a TV announce So they

1576
01:47:02.319 --> 01:47:05.399
haven't announced Riddle's opponent, but they
have mentioned he's going to have a qualifying

1577
01:47:05.399 --> 01:47:10.199
match, so that's why it's Riddle
or someone else. Okay, that'll make

1578
01:47:10.279 --> 01:47:14.960
sense, So it might. Analysis
stands though, if Riddle wins money in

1579
01:47:15.000 --> 01:47:18.279
the bank, that could be the
conduit or the path that leads to a

1580
01:47:18.319 --> 01:47:23.399
heel turn. If they want to
swerve me with the idea that Riddle's gonna

1581
01:47:23.439 --> 01:47:27.800
cash in on a secondary champion like
a gd idiot, and they do.

1582
01:47:27.880 --> 01:47:30.680
They're gonna do this for this second
year in a row, and it actually

1583
01:47:30.680 --> 01:47:32.960
turns out he's cashing and unset.
Yeah, more power to them. Yeah,

1584
01:47:32.960 --> 01:47:38.079
I just were They lost me last
week when just planting the seed that

1585
01:47:38.159 --> 01:47:42.600
he might cash in on Gunther.
No, I didn't like it last year.

1586
01:47:43.520 --> 01:47:46.159
This now that there's two world championships, get rid of that. That's

1587
01:47:46.159 --> 01:47:48.520
just so dull. You have money
in the bank and you're gonna cash in

1588
01:47:48.520 --> 01:47:53.640
for the US or Intercontinental title where
they end up having like an open challenge

1589
01:47:53.720 --> 01:47:56.840
every three weeks. Anyone, Well, there is that. I like the

1590
01:47:56.880 --> 01:48:00.279
idea of Gunther going my title is
worth a money in the bank, cash

1591
01:48:00.359 --> 01:48:03.239
in because I have brought prestige in
respect to it. But it doesn't mean

1592
01:48:03.720 --> 01:48:10.199
that Riddle should choose that option.
What I like about it is it opens

1593
01:48:10.319 --> 01:48:13.000
up the possibilities of who wins money
in the bank in the eyes of the

1594
01:48:13.039 --> 01:48:15.840
fans when you're debating who's going to
win, because you would go, well,

1595
01:48:15.880 --> 01:48:17.079
there's no way that wrestler or that
wrestler is going to get a match

1596
01:48:17.319 --> 01:48:21.239
against Seth or Roman. But I
could see that wrestler challenging Gunther or theory,

1597
01:48:21.760 --> 01:48:26.159
and so at least while watching the
match or thinking about the match going

1598
01:48:26.159 --> 01:48:28.880
into it, you can imagine more
people winning, which, by the way,

1599
01:48:28.880 --> 01:48:30.399
what you know, that's the problem
with Royal Rumble is you can eliminate

1600
01:48:30.439 --> 01:48:34.199
twenty six out of thirty people as
winning. So I mean, if you're

1601
01:48:34.399 --> 01:48:38.000
at all kind of clued in on
things, you know on average. So

1602
01:48:38.840 --> 01:48:42.960
this the positive of it, even
if they don't do it, is it

1603
01:48:43.000 --> 01:48:45.560
makes it seem like, oh,
maybe Riddle will win. We won't catch

1604
01:48:45.560 --> 01:48:46.960
it on Seth, but maybe he'll
try to win the you know, shut

1605
01:48:47.000 --> 01:48:51.760
up Gunther once and to me,
that's just not a positive. I want

1606
01:48:51.760 --> 01:48:56.560
this to matter. I don't want
this to be for a secondary trinket that

1607
01:48:56.600 --> 01:49:00.720
gets again, it has open challenges
left and right. So if you're gonna

1608
01:49:00.800 --> 01:49:02.199
do this, do it right.
Yeah, no, no, I get

1609
01:49:02.239 --> 01:49:06.399
the point you're making. The idea
that the Intercontinental title would be worth cashing

1610
01:49:06.399 --> 01:49:11.359
in on and putting that out there
has a positive, but the downside is

1611
01:49:11.399 --> 01:49:13.600
it is the workman title. As
they say, it's the one that gets

1612
01:49:13.600 --> 01:49:15.640
defended a lot. Why would you
wait? Why did you go through all

1613
01:49:15.640 --> 01:49:17.520
the money of qualifying and winning money
in the bank and then catching when you

1614
01:49:17.560 --> 01:49:21.199
could just get a title shot because
you asked for it on Twitter? Yeah?

1615
01:49:21.279 --> 01:49:25.680
Yeah, and then now it's like
the second working Man's Championship. You're

1616
01:49:25.680 --> 01:49:28.600
telling us the World Heavyweight Championship business. I know. I didn't like that

1617
01:49:28.640 --> 01:49:31.760
either. I don't have two workman
titles on the same brand. And yeah,

1618
01:49:31.880 --> 01:49:44.159
come up with a new term.
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01:49:44.199 --> 01:49:48.079
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01:49:54.479 --> 01:49:58.159
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01:49:58.159 --> 01:50:00.319
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1623
01:50:00.399 --> 01:50:02.880
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01:50:02.960 --> 01:50:08.359
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01:50:08.399 --> 01:50:12.119
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1631
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Okay, so, so among the
candidate's, Rick and SHA's not gonna

1632
01:50:50.760 --> 01:50:56.039
win, Um, no, Sho
Commerce's not gonna win. No, Uh,

1633
01:50:56.279 --> 01:50:59.520
must Ali's not gonna win. Nope. Um, he probably won't qualify

1634
01:50:59.520 --> 01:51:01.720
either. Pribabe Santos who wins that? But who knows Mustov is a good

1635
01:51:01.760 --> 01:51:05.000
person out of the match just for
exciting excitement. And then Butch and Corbon

1636
01:51:05.039 --> 01:51:06.920
neither of them are going to win
money in them. Well, I guess

1637
01:51:06.960 --> 01:51:11.760
that maybe there's a story arcras baron
Corbyn losing streak and then he cashes in

1638
01:51:11.880 --> 01:51:15.640
on and the NXT champion dotive them
ideas. I'm sorry, but you could

1639
01:51:15.640 --> 01:51:20.600
see Corbin cashing in on the NXC
champion to become an He could just ask

1640
01:51:20.640 --> 01:51:24.960
for a title match, but I'm
gonna cash in or the NXT champion.

1641
01:51:25.319 --> 01:51:30.960
Yes, I'm just trying to exhaust
all possibilities here. So if Riddle qualifies,

1642
01:51:30.680 --> 01:51:36.000
I think the top candidates to win
among those listed is Riddle or La

1643
01:51:36.199 --> 01:51:41.479
Night yep. Um, I just
don't see sent. I mean Santel escar

1644
01:51:41.479 --> 01:51:43.960
Bar wins, He's gonna have to
challenge Gunther. He's not gonna beat Roman.

1645
01:51:44.000 --> 01:51:45.960
Nobody buys that. They're not gonna
give him a pay per view match

1646
01:51:45.960 --> 01:51:48.880
against Roman or pl E Cashion.
Um doesn't make sense. So and then

1647
01:51:49.000 --> 01:51:53.479
you just have the X factor of
the TBA, which is Bronson. Read

1648
01:51:53.520 --> 01:51:57.800
you're you're saying, um. And
and so Bronson is an intriguing person to

1649
01:51:57.880 --> 01:52:03.039
win because as we talk about the
depth for Seth Bronson, now you know

1650
01:52:03.079 --> 01:52:05.359
it depends. You know, the
cash in isn't like winning the Rumbo where

1651
01:52:05.359 --> 01:52:09.680
it guarantees you a pay per view
title match that we hype for a month.

1652
01:52:10.199 --> 01:52:13.720
Um, it's it's the opportunitist sticks
sneaky way to win, and if

1653
01:52:13.760 --> 01:52:15.800
you don't win, you get made
fun of. So there's some some bankage

1654
01:52:15.800 --> 01:52:18.840
that comes with winning. Money in
the bank. But not cashing it successfully.

1655
01:52:19.119 --> 01:52:24.439
But Bronson read Riddle in La Night. Are they the top three?

1656
01:52:25.199 --> 01:52:28.720
Yes? Yeah, yeah, I
think Riddle should be the favorite at this

1657
01:52:28.800 --> 01:52:32.000
point because I am hoping like it
is a swerve, right, they're gonna

1658
01:52:32.000 --> 01:52:35.039
bring up intercontinental title, so you're
not going to be thinking about it when

1659
01:52:35.039 --> 01:52:43.960
he goes after seth Um read,
I would, I would show if I'm

1660
01:52:44.000 --> 01:52:48.600
doing confidence picks Riddle one La Night
to Bronson read three and then everybody else.

1661
01:52:49.000 --> 01:52:57.000
Yeah, yep, all right,
M very good. Um shifting back

1662
01:52:57.840 --> 01:53:08.800
to to A A W four A
momentum. The The framing of aw's talent

1663
01:53:08.920 --> 01:53:15.159
roster is it's super deep and there's
just not enough TV time for them.

1664
01:53:15.359 --> 01:53:17.920
Who do you? Does anyone come
to mind right away? As okay with

1665
01:53:18.000 --> 01:53:24.039
the additional show this is this is
the list of of men and women,

1666
01:53:24.079 --> 01:53:27.760
but maybe but whatever, any wrestlers
who you think, yeah, this is

1667
01:53:27.800 --> 01:53:30.239
their chance to shine and get TV
time, like Ricky Starks comes to mind.

1668
01:53:30.239 --> 01:53:32.920
I don't know his contract situation,
and maybe they're hedging on him because

1669
01:53:32.960 --> 01:53:39.560
he's friends with Cody and they expect
him to go to Blough is paying the

1670
01:53:39.600 --> 01:53:42.239
top people really well, but they
don't want to renew contracts at a high

1671
01:53:42.319 --> 01:53:44.960
level, and they don't want to
go and spending spreeze and people are expecting

1672
01:53:44.960 --> 01:53:48.159
cuts. So who knows, right, But yeah, but Starks is like

1673
01:53:48.239 --> 01:53:50.479
the goal, you know, sort
of the go to example that somebody you're

1674
01:53:50.479 --> 01:53:53.520
like, oh, they should just
be putting him on TV every week.

1675
01:53:54.359 --> 01:53:58.520
And and I don't mind building up
Starks and having him, you know,

1676
01:53:58.600 --> 01:54:00.920
be a top heal or or a
co top baby face, you know,

1677
01:54:01.000 --> 01:54:04.000
kind of like Cody and Seth are
sharing the raw spotlight. If you want

1678
01:54:04.079 --> 01:54:09.119
Ricky and Punk to be like the
top two stars on on Top two baby

1679
01:54:09.159 --> 01:54:14.159
faces on Collision, I'm fine with
that. And then you can kind of

1680
01:54:14.239 --> 01:54:15.880
keep the core people on Dynamite who
are on there, because it does seem

1681
01:54:15.920 --> 01:54:20.600
like Collision is built on at least
the early indications the spirit of the show

1682
01:54:20.680 --> 01:54:24.319
is, yeah, a little bit
of the outcasts are the people who were

1683
01:54:24.600 --> 01:54:27.840
wedged out of getting the TV time
that maybe they deserve. So who do

1684
01:54:27.880 --> 01:54:30.199
you look forward to in an ideal
situation getting more of a boost with the

1685
01:54:30.239 --> 01:54:35.680
new Collision show. I sure hope
they have something for Big Bill, including

1686
01:54:35.680 --> 01:54:39.359
a name change. Oh god,
I still love Tasking. You know,

1687
01:54:39.479 --> 01:54:41.880
they call big Bell. People ask
it all the time because his name's Bill

1688
01:54:41.960 --> 01:54:44.760
and he's big, Like, yes, that is true. Doesn't make the

1689
01:54:44.840 --> 01:54:46.880
name good. You realize that if
Kashi is his own logic, his name

1690
01:54:46.920 --> 01:54:54.199
would be a little Peter's short,
Peter shark, Peter. Wow. I

1691
01:54:54.199 --> 01:54:57.840
gotta hear from Taz on that who
you're gonna hear from him? Sorry?

1692
01:54:57.840 --> 01:55:00.560
Man, Taz is the best color
commentator in wrestling to day, isn't he?

1693
01:55:00.119 --> 01:55:05.319
No? Who's better? Um people
are not gonna like this. I

1694
01:55:05.359 --> 01:55:09.479
am very highing what Corey Grays brings
to the table. Yeah, I think

1695
01:55:09.479 --> 01:55:12.399
that's fair. I don't I don't
go. I don't gaffa at that.

1696
01:55:12.720 --> 01:55:17.079
UMAs gets a little too chummy at
times where I just like to see him

1697
01:55:17.159 --> 01:55:23.359
lean in and be the heel and
really defend the heels and thinking he just

1698
01:55:23.439 --> 01:55:27.560
kind of goes back and forth the
seams and then it doesn't help that Tony

1699
01:55:27.640 --> 01:55:30.479
Chavin. Tony's a beloved figure for
good reason, but I just I don't

1700
01:55:30.520 --> 01:55:34.279
like him on commentary anymore. I'd
love to see him just be an interviewer,

1701
01:55:34.399 --> 01:55:39.560
maybe even replaced Tony Khan making some
of those announcements. He just doesn't

1702
01:55:39.600 --> 01:55:43.880
really say anything that matters. Well, I think Wade Barrett might be better

1703
01:55:43.920 --> 01:55:45.920
than Tasks too, But I was
just trying to get the heat off you

1704
01:55:45.000 --> 01:55:50.840
for saying short Oh Tah is the
best in the business. I do like

1705
01:55:50.880 --> 01:55:55.439
tas on commentary, but saying he
was the best was truly a strategy to

1706
01:55:55.479 --> 01:56:01.720
just offset offset, offset his feelings
being hurt over the other thing. Um.

1707
01:56:01.800 --> 01:56:08.920
Yeah, so so wrestlers getting a
boost from this. Um. I

1708
01:56:08.960 --> 01:56:12.000
mean, I don't think the list. I asked the question a sort of

1709
01:56:12.000 --> 01:56:15.199
a load of question because I don't
think the list is really all that long

1710
01:56:15.680 --> 01:56:20.720
of people. I think Sworth,
Strickland, Ricky Stark's powerhouse Hobbes. Um,

1711
01:56:24.439 --> 01:56:29.880
I don't know, Big Bill.
Um. There there was somebody else

1712
01:56:29.880 --> 01:56:30.920
that I always point too, and
I can't think of who it is at

1713
01:56:30.960 --> 01:56:34.640
the time my head. But I'll
get the roster up. I'm just your

1714
01:56:34.640 --> 01:56:38.319
favorite. Keith Lee might be,
I don't know, he might actually work

1715
01:56:38.359 --> 01:56:43.199
more. Maybe not Jay White,
My god, I mean, yeah,

1716
01:56:42.920 --> 01:56:45.680
I don't win or this is so
pathetic what they've done with him. I

1717
01:56:45.239 --> 01:56:49.079
want can we give up on the
dream of Ring of Honor mattering and get

1718
01:56:49.159 --> 01:56:56.319
Eddie Kingston back involved in this please. I would like that yep Ethan Page

1719
01:56:56.319 --> 01:56:59.600
should mean more than he does.
They got to end this silliness with the

1720
01:56:59.600 --> 01:57:03.720
contracts and Matt Hardy once and for
all. Daniel Garcia, if there's a

1721
01:57:03.800 --> 01:57:06.840
draft, please, I don't care
if that's his way out of Jericho Appreciation

1722
01:57:06.840 --> 01:57:12.319
Society and Sammy, please do it. Jericho Appreciation Society is awful and needs

1723
01:57:12.359 --> 01:57:15.439
to go away. The only people
benefiting are Jake Hagger, Mattman or Nangela

1724
01:57:15.560 --> 01:57:19.039
Parker, and it's just holding back
the people that actually might make this company

1725
01:57:19.079 --> 01:57:25.960
some money someday. I would like
I would have liked Daniel Garcia to stay

1726
01:57:25.960 --> 01:57:29.800
baby face yeah yeah, and gotten
more of a push. And that's kind

1727
01:57:29.800 --> 01:57:31.079
of a bummer, you know,
just I mean, like, I don't

1728
01:57:31.079 --> 01:57:36.000
think the Acclaimed should go a week
not being on TV, right, So

1729
01:57:36.359 --> 01:57:41.399
if if having four hours of primetime
a level television too to our shows per

1730
01:57:41.479 --> 01:57:45.079
week allows them to be as much
of a weekly fixture as the Bloodline and

1731
01:57:45.159 --> 01:57:50.920
Seth and Cody and and Riha Ripley
and Damage Damage Control like w W,

1732
01:57:51.079 --> 01:57:55.960
it's like whoever's getting pushed? You
see them every week and there's developments and

1733
01:57:55.960 --> 01:58:00.199
there's a cadence to it, and
I just that's why I'm pro softer hard

1734
01:58:00.199 --> 01:58:03.000
brand split with ROSTERSP with a W, because it's gonna force Tony Kahn's hand

1735
01:58:03.079 --> 01:58:06.560
in a good way to go.
All right, we need to have a

1736
01:58:06.640 --> 01:58:11.600
density of pacing to the storyline where
there's something going on with he acclaimed every

1737
01:58:11.600 --> 01:58:15.119
week for instance, he claimed,
doesn't it's not just them, um,

1738
01:58:15.119 --> 01:58:16.199
where you don't go weeks out of
time not seeing them. I mean,

1739
01:58:16.199 --> 01:58:19.359
it's problem with j White, It's
a big problem with Ricky Stark's, problem

1740
01:58:19.359 --> 01:58:23.720
with Powerhouse Hobbs. There's just this
list of people who are there and available,

1741
01:58:24.199 --> 01:58:26.319
but you go weeks not seeing them, and then they show up again

1742
01:58:26.359 --> 01:58:30.600
and you're or they were only on
rampage and you're expected to care and the

1743
01:58:30.640 --> 01:58:35.600
crowd isn't caring, right right,
Yeah, man, looking at it this

1744
01:58:35.720 --> 01:58:41.680
roster, there are some I would
like to see the gun and sink or

1745
01:58:41.760 --> 01:58:44.680
swim. Maybe they're not ready yet. I'm not saying it's like once and

1746
01:58:44.680 --> 01:58:47.159
for all with that. I like
them, yep, Um, I didn't.

1747
01:58:47.239 --> 01:58:50.439
They didn't blow me away though during
the Runners Champion Bandido. I should

1748
01:58:50.479 --> 01:58:55.399
be doing so much more. Another
reason to just abandon what ring of honor

1749
01:58:55.560 --> 01:58:58.680
is currently, Tony said, he
went out of his way to say it's

1750
01:58:58.800 --> 01:59:02.039
not developed. Men will look at
who our champions are. I would counter

1751
01:59:02.119 --> 01:59:04.800
that by saying, yeah, look
at who your champions are. I want

1752
01:59:04.840 --> 01:59:08.720
to be excited about Ray, Phoenix
and Pent and winning titles that I care

1753
01:59:08.760 --> 01:59:11.800
about, and when I see them
already holding kitles that they don't care about,

1754
01:59:11.840 --> 01:59:15.760
it makes that kind of difficult.
Absolutely. Thank you for listening to

1755
01:59:15.800 --> 01:59:19.319
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01:59:19.359 --> 01:59:24.560
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1759
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01:59:36.279 --> 01:59:40.199
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range, Cassie, He's getting a lot

1763
01:59:51.800 --> 01:59:55.640
of TV time, and I think
he'll continue to get TV time, He's

1764
01:59:55.840 --> 02:00:00.199
respected in the locker room. He's
like this super level headed guy. He's

1765
02:00:00.239 --> 02:00:02.439
in his late thirties. He looks
like he's in late twenties, but he's

1766
02:00:02.439 --> 02:00:06.279
been around, he's seen a lot. And Tony really likes him, and

1767
02:00:06.319 --> 02:00:12.520
he really likes Chuck Chuck In and
Taylor and Trent Bretta too. And in

1768
02:00:12.520 --> 02:00:15.279
fact, he told me that,
you know, like he's just really there's

1769
02:00:15.319 --> 02:00:16.800
guys he just trusts. You know, a lunch with him, that's great.

1770
02:00:18.079 --> 02:00:20.800
Right. So here's an email on
Orange Cassidy. Joe B in England.

1771
02:00:21.399 --> 02:00:24.359
I was listening to Mike and Andrew
on the All of the ad after

1772
02:00:24.439 --> 02:00:27.119
show. They discussed Orange Cassidy and
both seem tired of his matches in his

1773
02:00:27.159 --> 02:00:29.720
Gimmick, a view which was also
shared by a caller to the show.

1774
02:00:30.119 --> 02:00:32.319
My friends who I watch aw with
both said during Double or Nothing that they're

1775
02:00:32.359 --> 02:00:35.399
sick of Orange Cassidy. This led
to a debate as I personally have a

1776
02:00:35.439 --> 02:00:39.600
different view. I think his matches
are almost always good and fun. Nobody

1777
02:00:39.600 --> 02:00:42.239
else sells as well as him during
matches. I also think he's given some

1778
02:00:42.279 --> 02:00:45.159
meaning to a meaningless championship. His
gimmick has evolved over time. The announcers

1779
02:00:45.199 --> 02:00:48.640
push it as mind games now instead
of laziness, which I think is intentional

1780
02:00:49.000 --> 02:00:51.840
and I think works. So I
want to know your thoughts. Do you

1781
02:00:51.880 --> 02:00:54.720
think it's time for him to change
up his gimmick and do you think he

1782
02:00:54.760 --> 02:00:59.520
should be on TV less? Jason? So, I think it is time

1783
02:00:59.560 --> 02:01:04.640
for him to make a brief exit. I think that Cassidy has definitely breathed

1784
02:01:04.680 --> 02:01:11.159
new life into that championship that at
one point was right there with the WWE

1785
02:01:11.199 --> 02:01:15.000
twenty four seven title and Impact Digital
Media Championship. Is that the worst in

1786
02:01:15.039 --> 02:01:18.319
wrestling? I liked the story they've
told with him. They hit a bit

1787
02:01:18.359 --> 02:01:21.479
of a bump in the road though, that match that he had with Kyle

1788
02:01:21.520 --> 02:01:27.560
Fletcher. The story is that he's
so weary and he's vulnerable. He's a

1789
02:01:27.640 --> 02:01:30.000
rare, vulnerable, maybe faced champion. I really like what they had done

1790
02:01:30.079 --> 02:01:34.399
up until that point. Then he
starts kicking out of like three tombstone pile

1791
02:01:34.479 --> 02:01:38.680
drivers and everything, Like, I
thought this guy was weary, but it

1792
02:01:38.720 --> 02:01:42.000
was a bump in the road.
I thought last week was the week to

1793
02:01:42.079 --> 02:01:45.520
change the title. I think they're
waiting a week and it's inconsistent with the

1794
02:01:45.560 --> 02:01:49.720
story, the peak of this weary
champion story. Really, Oh my god,

1795
02:01:49.720 --> 02:01:54.000
he made it through facing twenty men
in this Battle Royal. He held

1796
02:01:54.079 --> 02:01:58.159
on, so he should have been
an extremely vulnerable on dynamite, and instead

1797
02:01:58.359 --> 02:02:01.079
he just worked a tag match like
any other tag match. There was none

1798
02:02:01.119 --> 02:02:04.000
of this weary Champion stuff. And
now they wait a week to go to

1799
02:02:04.039 --> 02:02:11.880
the obvious matchup square of Strickland.
So I liked the story overall, but

1800
02:02:12.079 --> 02:02:15.840
yeah, just lately there's been a
couple of hiccups there that have taken a

1801
02:02:15.920 --> 02:02:19.640
step back. But I think he's
done a spectacular job of making that championship

1802
02:02:19.720 --> 02:02:24.119
means something. And the only reason
I say it's time for him to go

1803
02:02:24.119 --> 02:02:28.039
away is we have seen a lot
of him on television. They've opened so

1804
02:02:28.079 --> 02:02:30.520
many shows with him. I'm not
saying it needs to be monks or anything,

1805
02:02:30.760 --> 02:02:34.039
but let them drop the championship and
you know, let us miss him

1806
02:02:34.039 --> 02:02:39.199
for a few weeks. Yeah.
Yeah, I assume there's you know,

1807
02:02:39.399 --> 02:02:45.800
a story that they're telling that we
have to see through before we fully judge,

1808
02:02:45.159 --> 02:02:48.239
you know, whether this is overexposure
or actually a necessary part of the

1809
02:02:48.279 --> 02:02:51.159
story they're telling, which is him
just wearing himself out by being, you

1810
02:02:51.199 --> 02:02:55.600
know, defending it so often.
And I'll I don't have a strong opinion

1811
02:02:55.600 --> 02:02:58.239
either way. I mean I might
after the fact if they just don't have

1812
02:02:58.279 --> 02:03:00.439
a good payoff to this, and
they just you know, they're doing it

1813
02:03:00.439 --> 02:03:03.760
out of laziness, because you know, you can put him on um,

1814
02:03:03.880 --> 02:03:06.640
if you can put him on TV
and have a good match, and I

1815
02:03:06.680 --> 02:03:12.920
know obviously Tony prioritizes that very much. Good matches and someone who can just

1816
02:03:13.000 --> 02:03:15.439
go feel you know, ten to
twenty minutes of TV time at the start

1817
02:03:15.479 --> 02:03:18.359
of the show. Um, And
you know, I believe he does good

1818
02:03:18.439 --> 02:03:23.079
numbers. Um. You know,
Tony doesn't put people on TV as off

1819
02:03:23.079 --> 02:03:26.439
in as Orange Cassidy if he doesn't
draw good numbers. I did. I

1820
02:03:26.439 --> 02:03:29.079
wish it would he kept puttinghim in
the opening spot. I think that.

1821
02:03:29.520 --> 02:03:33.079
Yeah, Tony is happy with whatever
he's producing. Yeah, yeah, I

1822
02:03:33.079 --> 02:03:38.399
just I just wish we got more
of a definition of the title not being

1823
02:03:38.399 --> 02:03:41.840
an international title. Look at the
big word and it means the whole world,

1824
02:03:41.840 --> 02:03:45.359
and they just called it the AWTV
title. Well, but then he

1825
02:03:45.439 --> 02:03:48.399
have the TVs and the T and
T titles named after TV networks. That's

1826
02:03:48.399 --> 02:03:51.960
even more confusing when you have a
TV title and also two titles named after

1827
02:03:53.000 --> 02:03:58.239
TV networks. How about they just
like come up with new titles they rebranded

1828
02:03:58.239 --> 02:04:01.479
international. I can cosidering what it
was Wade, the All Atlantic mess.

1829
02:04:02.199 --> 02:04:08.039
I'm content with the International Championship,
but I do like the TBS and TNT

1830
02:04:08.199 --> 02:04:11.439
thing doesn't irritate me as much as
it does most people. But that's just

1831
02:04:11.520 --> 02:04:15.439
it. It irritates a lot of
people. It's time on the aw front.

1832
02:04:17.520 --> 02:04:24.279
What do you think they're gonna headline
Wembley with like what two or three

1833
02:04:24.279 --> 02:04:28.199
matches do you think we're heading towards
with keeping in mind all out it's going

1834
02:04:28.239 --> 02:04:31.319
to happen right afterwards. Well boy, we're getting one of them and maybe

1835
02:04:31.319 --> 02:04:34.000
they'll maybe they'll go back to it. We're getting one at Forbidden Door.

1836
02:04:35.520 --> 02:04:42.520
They did officially announced Kenny Omega and
Will asprey for the IWGPUS Championship at Forbidden

1837
02:04:42.520 --> 02:04:48.000
Door. Ye, and that's a
match. Given you Osprey's an England English

1838
02:04:48.000 --> 02:04:50.960
guy, I would think that they're
going to have him on the show in

1839
02:04:51.000 --> 02:04:57.399
a prominent position, and he and
Omega work fantastically together. I'm already looking

1840
02:04:57.399 --> 02:05:00.000
forward to this Forbidden door way more
than last year's because they're also they also

1841
02:05:00.119 --> 02:05:06.039
what was it Danielson and Okada,
which I mean two fantastic matches. Yeah.

1842
02:05:06.439 --> 02:05:11.119
Um so as much as I mocked
the matches Matches and nothing but Matches

1843
02:05:11.159 --> 02:05:14.800
crowd, I'm all in that mode
for this show. I'm really looking forward

1844
02:05:14.840 --> 02:05:19.920
to it. Ye, but yeah, it's if it's not. I mean,

1845
02:05:20.159 --> 02:05:25.279
you would think they're gonna have punk
on that show. Um M,

1846
02:05:26.600 --> 02:05:30.079
I don't know what headline. Yeah, that's the tough part is you're you

1847
02:05:30.199 --> 02:05:33.319
want as many people to watch this
wherever the hell it is. I still

1848
02:05:33.359 --> 02:05:36.640
kind of suspect it'll be on Max, but don't know that, And so

1849
02:05:36.720 --> 02:05:42.159
you want to produce a great number
there. But then you gotta you're asking

1850
02:05:42.199 --> 02:05:46.079
people to turn around and pay another
fifty bucks the very next weekend. Yeah,

1851
02:05:46.119 --> 02:05:48.199
I don't know what you do.
I don't. I don't either.

1852
02:05:48.600 --> 02:05:54.439
It's not great timing if that's if
that's what they're doing. I still like

1853
02:05:54.600 --> 02:05:58.399
m jaffins sting, but I just
haven't seen hints of that, um right

1854
02:05:58.680 --> 02:06:01.199
in the last couple of weeks,
So I don't you know. Yeah,

1855
02:06:01.199 --> 02:06:04.640
I'm I'm I'm I mean, they
sold all these tickets, So Tony Kanna

1856
02:06:04.720 --> 02:06:10.239
has no incentive to deliver the greatest
show on Earth. From a drawing standpoint,

1857
02:06:10.520 --> 02:06:13.479
he just hasn't said up put on
a good, solid show. But

1858
02:06:13.840 --> 02:06:15.960
if he wants, you know,
he doesn't want to make it seem like

1859
02:06:15.960 --> 02:06:18.479
it's a B show either, and
have the crowd. That's the thing.

1860
02:06:18.560 --> 02:06:24.039
Yeah, you gotta go back by
the way. That is My concern about

1861
02:06:24.159 --> 02:06:28.439
Collision is just having decent crowds.
They need to They need to go not

1862
02:06:28.520 --> 02:06:30.920
to fifty two arenas per year now
and draw a good crowd that looks good

1863
02:06:30.960 --> 02:06:35.840
on AVE Live national cable, but
one hundred and four. Are there enough

1864
02:06:35.840 --> 02:06:39.840
cities that they can have good looking
crowds and good looking buildings? Are they

1865
02:06:39.880 --> 02:06:45.760
going to start looking minor league?
I would those Canadian numbers scare me a

1866
02:06:45.760 --> 02:06:50.840
little bit now, somebody, Yeah, I don't know. Maybe it's just

1867
02:06:51.720 --> 02:06:55.279
Canadian fans are gonna like, well, are we even gonna get this show?

1868
02:06:55.319 --> 02:06:58.680
I don't know. I want to
see what kind of numbers they do

1869
02:07:00.079 --> 02:07:03.319
host Canada for Collision, because to
me, that's one of the pros of

1870
02:07:03.399 --> 02:07:08.880
running Saturday night the night out for
people. Would you would think it's easier

1871
02:07:08.920 --> 02:07:12.039
to get people to go to your
show on a Saturday night than it is

1872
02:07:12.079 --> 02:07:15.560
a Wednesday night, but it so
far. I mean, maybe it's just

1873
02:07:15.640 --> 02:07:18.039
you know, Canada for whatever reason, isn't turning out, but it's it's

1874
02:07:18.039 --> 02:07:21.680
not going to be as much of
an issue elsewhere, but maybe it is.

1875
02:07:23.359 --> 02:07:27.079
I just don't know if they should
be alarmed by that. You know,

1876
02:07:27.119 --> 02:07:30.640
that's kind of the tricky thing with
aw right now. If you want

1877
02:07:30.680 --> 02:07:34.000
to be a glasses half full person, well you get point to the success

1878
02:07:34.039 --> 02:07:39.000
of Forbidden Door and All In and
then the massive ticket sales in London,

1879
02:07:39.560 --> 02:07:43.159
and then you can easily start to
rationalize, well, if the numbers weren't

1880
02:07:43.159 --> 02:07:45.600
what we hope for for the last
pay per view that damn www ran that

1881
02:07:45.640 --> 02:07:50.399
weekend and they ran an XT against
us, it's easy to kind of justified

1882
02:07:50.439 --> 02:07:55.479
thing. If you want to be
a glasses half empty obviously point to the

1883
02:07:55.520 --> 02:07:59.760
ticket sales and other markets that you
know are not London and you're not doing

1884
02:07:59.800 --> 02:08:05.279
a big co promoted show with New
Japan and Toronto. It's uh. I

1885
02:08:05.319 --> 02:08:09.840
hope Tony's approaching this in a very
even keeled manner all of it, because

1886
02:08:09.840 --> 02:08:11.479
I don't think there's reason to panic, but I also don't think that.

1887
02:08:11.880 --> 02:08:16.640
I mean, you should certainly celebrate
what they're what they've accomplished in London,

1888
02:08:16.680 --> 02:08:20.520
that's awesome, But I wouldn't sit
there and fool yourself into thinking that I've

1889
02:08:20.520 --> 02:08:26.479
got this red hot product. Because
London is coming close to selling out Wembley

1890
02:08:26.520 --> 02:08:31.399
Stadium for our first show in the
market. It's awesome, but it's not

1891
02:08:31.520 --> 02:08:33.800
that, you know, we're not
just we're just not seeing it across the

1892
02:08:33.840 --> 02:08:39.199
board in the US and now in
Canada either that this is translating into Wow,

1893
02:08:39.239 --> 02:08:43.600
this company's got momentum. Yeah,
yeah, I'm the Well, it

1894
02:08:43.680 --> 02:08:48.760
just goes back to viewership numbers and
ratings and what Tony's going to do.

1895
02:08:48.760 --> 02:08:50.680
Does he you know, does he
get desperate in order to try to get

1896
02:08:50.800 --> 02:08:56.359
numbers up, um, you know, for the sake of getting a better

1897
02:08:56.359 --> 02:08:58.039
TV deal, or does he just
go what will be will be? But

1898
02:08:58.039 --> 02:09:05.520
I'm going to pace myself smartly.
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1899
02:09:05.640 --> 02:09:09.640
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02:09:13.279 --> 02:09:20.600
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What do you think of christ letter
being Jake Cargo Mixed feelings. I

1906
02:09:43.279 --> 02:09:48.119
wouldn't have done it that way.
I would have built to that, but

1907
02:09:48.279 --> 02:09:50.760
as I think it was will Or
Jake pointed out when we did an audio

1908
02:09:50.119 --> 02:09:54.119
coming out of that show, that
show did need a moment, and it

1909
02:09:56.000 --> 02:10:01.479
was a moment. I would have
followed up the next episode of Dynamite with

1910
02:10:01.520 --> 02:10:05.079
stat Lander making a reference for a
match. If you want Lee to think

1911
02:10:05.319 --> 02:10:07.520
as a viewer that this is a
big moment, then do something you don't

1912
02:10:07.560 --> 02:10:11.319
normally do. Go to the women
opening the show, have her coming out.

1913
02:10:11.399 --> 02:10:15.239
Crowd's gonna be red hot at that
point. It's gonna come off really

1914
02:10:15.239 --> 02:10:18.800
well. So I thought that was
a bit of a mistake, But yeah,

1915
02:10:18.840 --> 02:10:26.000
it's just boys sixty wins and then
it's over without really getting that match.

1916
02:10:26.279 --> 02:10:28.840
I don't know if they felt like
they've done a good enough job convincing

1917
02:10:28.880 --> 02:10:31.520
people to tie of Valkyrie might win
that match. I didn't feel like she

1918
02:10:31.720 --> 02:10:37.279
was going to. So if you're
gonna end the streak, stat Lander's a

1919
02:10:37.319 --> 02:10:41.439
fine choice. And I do like
that. It looks like KaiA now is

1920
02:10:41.479 --> 02:10:43.199
angry and it is going to turn
heel. So I think that sets up

1921
02:10:43.199 --> 02:10:46.960
a nice program between them and I
guess I don't know what comes next for

1922
02:10:46.039 --> 02:10:50.800
Cargo. Yeah, yeah, I
don't know either. Anything else you want

1923
02:10:50.800 --> 02:10:56.960
to bring up, Jason awwe otherwise? Oh man, let's see. I'm

1924
02:10:58.000 --> 02:11:03.760
trying to think if there's a well, let me let's play this game between

1925
02:11:03.880 --> 02:11:05.439
now and the next time we do
this in three weeks, you know,

1926
02:11:05.479 --> 02:11:11.560
if everything goes according to schedule.
Had a big announcement each and every week.

1927
02:11:11.399 --> 02:11:13.359
I thought, you're gonna say a
seam Punk still on the roster.

1928
02:11:13.600 --> 02:11:18.680
Active that's a good one too.
I think Seampunk will be on the roster.

1929
02:11:20.239 --> 02:11:24.560
I am I am being optimistic that
he I'm answering a different question than

1930
02:11:24.600 --> 02:11:26.000
you ask. I want to think
as that's not very fair, go for

1931
02:11:26.039 --> 02:11:33.159
it. But I think I think
Sampunk is going to not make news and

1932
02:11:33.199 --> 02:11:41.560
he is going to be a productive, low drama member of Collision, and

1933
02:11:41.600 --> 02:11:46.760
that Tony con will value and cherish
that and not want to mess with it

1934
02:11:46.279 --> 02:11:52.439
and will accommodate Punk in in ways
that in the long run may or may

1935
02:11:52.479 --> 02:11:58.399
not be good. But I think
I think Punk really wants to repair his

1936
02:11:58.520 --> 02:12:05.119
reputation and it wants to the best
way to show up the elite and prove

1937
02:12:05.199 --> 02:12:09.119
that he wasn't the problem they were
is to have a drama free locker room

1938
02:12:09.159 --> 02:12:13.439
that with him as the veteran leader. So we'll see. I mean,

1939
02:12:13.439 --> 02:12:16.199
I'm not confident in that, and
that's part of it. I'm being more

1940
02:12:16.279 --> 02:12:18.640
hopeful than you know, putting my
money on it. But honestly, I

1941
02:12:20.399 --> 02:12:24.520
think there's reason to believe that will
happen. But it is CM Punk,

1942
02:12:24.720 --> 02:12:30.359
and he is wired differently than most
wrestlers and how he reacts to things and

1943
02:12:31.000 --> 02:12:33.039
taking things as a personal affront and
not biting his tongue when he feels that

1944
02:12:33.079 --> 02:12:37.520
there's an injustice or something needs to
be said, and that can be valuable,

1945
02:12:37.520 --> 02:12:39.680
and it can also, as we've
seen, create you know, meltdowns

1946
02:12:39.680 --> 02:12:43.359
and be counterproductive. So I'm not
I don't want to sound naive because of

1947
02:12:43.439 --> 02:12:50.439
Punk's track record, but maybe,
just maybe there's good reason to believe he

1948
02:12:50.520 --> 02:12:56.359
has the incentive to not lead to
drama. As for Tony con announcements,

1949
02:12:56.600 --> 02:13:00.880
I think he will make a big
announcement the next so I think there's enough

1950
02:13:00.920 --> 02:13:03.880
going on. He'll be on tv
X three weeks. I do well.

1951
02:13:05.479 --> 02:13:07.880
The Punk thing is going to be
fascinating that first promo, whatever it is.

1952
02:13:07.880 --> 02:13:13.920
I assume the first night, ye, because everyone expects him to talk

1953
02:13:13.920 --> 02:13:16.960
about the one thing that I think
he's probably going to have a legal document

1954
02:13:16.039 --> 02:13:20.119
saying you can't talk about and it
is Punk. So even if he signed

1955
02:13:20.199 --> 02:13:24.920
something, there's still a fifty fifty
chance and he talks about it anyway.

1956
02:13:24.199 --> 02:13:30.840
Yeah, if he doesn't, what
does he talk about? Well, what

1957
02:13:31.199 --> 02:13:37.199
every progresler talks about. I have
a goal and here's how I want to

1958
02:13:37.199 --> 02:13:43.399
achieve it, and here's what I
stand for. And then somebody interrupts or

1959
02:13:43.479 --> 02:13:46.439
he says something that leads to another
wrestler saying something that then leads to an

1960
02:13:46.439 --> 02:13:50.560
issue. You know, he needs, he definitely needs to have a journey

1961
02:13:50.000 --> 02:13:52.640
and a mission, and that's what
he needs to talk about. And that

1962
02:13:52.640 --> 02:13:58.520
mission should not be. I'm gonna
show up the elite by being well behaved

1963
02:13:58.560 --> 02:14:01.199
and having no drama in this locker
room. And we are a locker room,

1964
02:14:01.199 --> 02:14:05.119
and we all wear the the whatever
colored jersey's collision. It's like,

1965
02:14:05.119 --> 02:14:09.000
I don't want team dynamics of us
against them. I don't want him alluding

1966
02:14:09.000 --> 02:14:11.880
to it. I know people are
intrigued by that. Just Punk's talented.

1967
02:14:11.920 --> 02:14:16.279
I me personally, and I think
it's and I do think it's best for

1968
02:14:16.359 --> 02:14:20.520
business in the long run. Stay
away from the controversy. Don't remind people

1969
02:14:20.560 --> 02:14:22.760
of it. I know it's going
to be on everybody's minds. I don't

1970
02:14:22.760 --> 02:14:26.520
think I just excuse the expression,
but I don't think that's a pimple that

1971
02:14:26.520 --> 02:14:30.479
needs to be popped. I think
if you let it heal itself off to

1972
02:14:30.520 --> 02:14:35.359
the side, don't draw attention to
it. I know everybody wants to don't

1973
02:14:35.800 --> 02:14:37.479
just tell a great story. And
you know, like they say, living

1974
02:14:37.479 --> 02:14:41.079
while it's a best revenge. To
me, telling a great story and having

1975
02:14:41.119 --> 02:14:46.479
great matches in the cannon of a
w is the best revenge and the best

1976
02:14:46.520 --> 02:14:52.039
rebuttal to everybody who is anti punk, and I think he'll win some people

1977
02:14:52.039 --> 02:14:54.720
over a year from now. If
he does that, I think some people

1978
02:14:54.720 --> 02:14:56.399
that don't want to poke around.
If he just build up a good track

1979
02:14:56.439 --> 02:15:00.279
record for the next nine twelve months, I think that can repair are some

1980
02:15:00.279 --> 02:15:03.079
things and put pressure on the other
side to live up to the standard he

1981
02:15:03.119 --> 02:15:07.560
sets. I was told by people
in aw they didn't think Punk would be

1982
02:15:07.600 --> 02:15:09.359
back. I don't think Punk would
be back if they didn't have a second

1983
02:15:09.359 --> 02:15:13.600
TV show. I think the only
reason Punk's back is because there's a second

1984
02:15:13.600 --> 02:15:16.039
TV show. And maybe the only
reason there's second TV show is because Punk

1985
02:15:16.079 --> 02:15:20.920
is healed up and ready to come
back right exactly because I have not sensed

1986
02:15:20.279 --> 02:15:24.560
a lessoning of the animosity and acrimony
in Punk and everybody else. And I

1987
02:15:24.600 --> 02:15:30.000
just don't know how Tony. I
don't think anyone thought Punk could coexist sadly

1988
02:15:31.119 --> 02:15:35.439
on Dynamite given the acrimony in that
locker room. I think having a second

1989
02:15:35.479 --> 02:15:39.319
show is the only reason that it's
it's economically feasible to bring him back and

1990
02:15:39.359 --> 02:15:43.479
not just settle. But he wanted
to get paid, and if he's healthy

1991
02:15:43.680 --> 02:15:46.079
and they aren't gonna and if they
decided not to sue him for breach,

1992
02:15:46.920 --> 02:15:50.119
then they kind of had to find
a way to get their money's worth out

1993
02:15:50.119 --> 02:15:50.960
of him, So it would have
been awkward no matter what. But you

1994
02:15:52.000 --> 02:15:54.479
know, they could have done every
other week Punk and Dynamite than the Elite,

1995
02:15:54.520 --> 02:15:58.319
than Punk than the Elite, and
Moxley and whomever else. But I

1996
02:15:58.359 --> 02:16:01.880
don't know. I think everything you
said there is the right approach, but

1997
02:16:01.920 --> 02:16:05.760
I just don't know that it's going
to be received. Well, they better

1998
02:16:05.800 --> 02:16:09.039
have a hell of an initial angle
with him, if you know it,

1999
02:16:09.239 --> 02:16:13.479
or one hell of a promo whatever, because I think people are expecting something

2000
02:16:13.680 --> 02:16:18.119
and if they don't get it.
What I would do if I learned Tony

2001
02:16:18.159 --> 02:16:22.159
Kahn's position, I obviously wouldn't want
him going out there be like you get

2002
02:16:22.239 --> 02:16:26.119
one jab, and I'd warn the
elite that it's coming, because I didn't

2003
02:16:26.119 --> 02:16:30.479
have any issue with the elite in
Chicago doing what they did, and I

2004
02:16:30.520 --> 02:16:33.840
know Punk and Company did. To
me, It's like, well, what

2005
02:16:33.879 --> 02:16:37.280
were they supposed to do? The
crowd is sitting there going booing the hell

2006
02:16:37.319 --> 02:16:41.920
out of them. They're just supposed
to pretend like nothing's happening. Of course

2007
02:16:41.959 --> 02:16:45.799
they're going to feed into it,
and so yeah, they got their's Punk

2008
02:16:45.840 --> 02:16:48.680
gets one little he could even clear
it ahead of time. You know,

2009
02:16:48.959 --> 02:16:52.799
Tony can play go between between the
two camps. Get it out of the

2010
02:16:52.840 --> 02:16:58.559
system, then do the angle and
move on. I'd like Punk to come

2011
02:16:58.559 --> 02:17:00.920
out there and go I know you
people are I know a lot of you.

2012
02:17:01.440 --> 02:17:07.079
I want a title, and I
got injured and I had to relinquish

2013
02:17:07.079 --> 02:17:11.200
the championship. It got stripped from
me. I want to rebuild my record,

2014
02:17:11.280 --> 02:17:15.319
and I want to beat MJFF for
the title, and I specifically want

2015
02:17:15.319 --> 02:17:18.840
to beat MJFF for that championship.
But I got business to take care of

2016
02:17:18.920 --> 02:17:24.520
first, and that is beating some
top names and staying healthy. And I

2017
02:17:24.000 --> 02:17:26.520
want to as a quick aside,
I don't want to draw out of attention

2018
02:17:26.520 --> 02:17:30.000
to this say that a lot of
you are aware that there are some issues

2019
02:17:30.040 --> 02:17:33.000
that I had and I didn't I'm
not proud of some of the things that

2020
02:17:33.040 --> 02:17:37.680
I said after my title win at
all Out last fall, and I want

2021
02:17:37.719 --> 02:17:41.559
to apologize to Tony Kahn, and
I want to acknowledge that even if there's

2022
02:17:41.600 --> 02:17:48.000
some people who I still feel wrong
to me and deserved some things to be

2023
02:17:48.079 --> 02:17:52.520
said to them, I didn't need
to say it publicly in the form that

2024
02:17:52.600 --> 02:17:54.520
I did, and I apologize to
the fans for that, and I want

2025
02:17:54.520 --> 02:17:56.799
to close the page. I want
to turn the page, close a book

2026
02:17:58.680 --> 02:18:01.600
and move forward. And I want
to have great matches and I want to

2027
02:18:01.600 --> 02:18:03.920
show that I can still be the
best in the world. Something along those

2028
02:18:03.959 --> 02:18:09.079
lines. To acknowledge that, you
know, the pink elephant in the room

2029
02:18:09.760 --> 02:18:13.040
and then let the fans know I
I just I'm ready to move on.

2030
02:18:13.319 --> 02:18:16.639
But but also an apology to Tony
con I think would be in order.

2031
02:18:16.479 --> 02:18:20.719
I yeah, I mean, it's
at least it's acknowledging things. Um,

2032
02:18:20.239 --> 02:18:22.600
I don't want what you want him
to take a dig at Kenny in the

2033
02:18:22.639 --> 02:18:26.799
box in his promo. I mean, maybe that feels more authentic, but

2034
02:18:26.879 --> 02:18:30.719
to me it also feels like,
seriously, just tech yellow. If there's

2035
02:18:30.760 --> 02:18:33.639
the if there's the pettiness there that
hey, they did this to me,

2036
02:18:33.680 --> 02:18:35.959
why, I don't know, I
get to respond, Okay, go ahead,

2037
02:18:35.959 --> 02:18:39.559
punk, you get one, but
we're going to approve it ahead of

2038
02:18:39.600 --> 02:18:41.520
time. What is it? Get
it out of the system, and then

2039
02:18:41.600 --> 02:18:48.239
move on and do the angle and
then you know it's it's just you exist

2040
02:18:48.319 --> 02:18:50.760
in the same company but on different
nights. Um. So yeah, It's

2041
02:18:50.760 --> 02:18:52.920
not like I'm sitting here no,
no, man, I can't wait to

2042
02:18:52.920 --> 02:18:56.879
see Punk Fighter back. It's not
that I just think there's this expectation that

2043
02:18:56.959 --> 02:19:03.479
he needs to but heypken say some
of the things that you mentioned. Maybe

2044
02:19:03.520 --> 02:19:09.600
that will be enough warsome for most
of the fan base. We'll see.

2045
02:19:09.719 --> 02:19:13.840
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him. I think taking the high
road and then just going out and producing

2056
02:20:03.159 --> 02:20:07.879
just having good, good, fired
up promos that seem current for twenty twenty

2057
02:20:07.879 --> 02:20:11.840
three, not trapped in two thousand
and nine or two twelve. It's a

2058
02:20:11.879 --> 02:20:13.879
different environment. He's in a different
company, he's got a whole different set

2059
02:20:13.920 --> 02:20:16.639
of wrestlers to work with. He's
got a proof he can, he can

2060
02:20:16.760 --> 02:20:20.280
you know, fit in and thrive
in this environment and reinvent himself as Chris

2061
02:20:20.360 --> 02:20:24.840
Jericho successfully done so many times.
And I want that to be his focus.

2062
02:20:24.959 --> 02:20:28.319
I don't need He's not fourteen.
He doesn't need to settle a score

2063
02:20:28.360 --> 02:20:31.799
on national TV by taking a getting
the last word in. I just to

2064
02:20:31.920 --> 02:20:35.959
me, you know, if living
All's best revenge, taking the high road

2065
02:20:35.079 --> 02:20:39.159
is the best is the best statement
that I think he can make at this

2066
02:20:39.200 --> 02:20:45.040
point, which is I'm over it. But is it going to be intriguing

2067
02:20:45.040 --> 02:20:48.079
for the audience? Are you going
to be getting calls at night if you're

2068
02:20:48.079 --> 02:20:52.239
doing a post show from people going
yeah, I mean nice to Punk's back,

2069
02:20:52.280 --> 02:20:56.159
but nothing fun there. But what
if this all didn't happen and he

2070
02:20:56.239 --> 02:21:01.680
showed up and he got along with
the Bucks and Anny and Hangman and Moxie

2071
02:21:01.680 --> 02:21:05.520
and everybody. Are we saying punk
is useless and not worth a contract.

2072
02:21:05.840 --> 02:21:09.200
No Punk was hired and people were
excited about him, not because of the

2073
02:21:09.239 --> 02:21:11.799
pipe bomb promolo, not because he's
going to be this cantankerous locker roomforce.

2074
02:21:11.840 --> 02:21:15.600
It leads to all kinds of conflict. People are excited because he's a good

2075
02:21:15.639 --> 02:21:18.040
promo, a good wrestler, arguably
a great promo, a great wrestler even

2076
02:21:18.040 --> 02:21:20.920
at his age. Did happen,
right, But my point is if you

2077
02:21:20.959 --> 02:21:24.719
strip away the stuff that did happen
and you let him go out there and

2078
02:21:24.760 --> 02:21:26.399
be the guy that they thought they
were signing in the first place, don't

2079
02:21:26.440 --> 02:21:28.840
you think three months from now fans
and be like, yeah, I'm glad

2080
02:21:28.840 --> 02:21:33.399
we moved on from that other junior
high school crap. I do again.

2081
02:21:33.479 --> 02:21:37.200
It's my concern coming out of that
first night. I think it's a very

2082
02:21:37.200 --> 02:21:41.239
important show for them. You can
do what you're saying, but you better

2083
02:21:41.280 --> 02:21:43.319
have a hell of an angle that
gets people hooked, because if they come

2084
02:21:43.360 --> 02:21:48.040
in looking for that the punk that
you don't want to see, with him

2085
02:21:48.079 --> 02:21:52.920
firing back, delivering receipts, brother
whatever you want to say that, and

2086
02:21:52.239 --> 02:21:54.959
that's what they're looking for, and
they don't get it. But they also

2087
02:21:56.000 --> 02:22:01.719
don't get something that grabs their attention
and gets I'm imagining it could be a

2088
02:22:01.799 --> 02:22:05.079
bad thing for that show. So
yeah, I'm not saying you're saying Punk

2089
02:22:05.120 --> 02:22:09.559
needs to fire back. It's not
that. But if again, if it's

2090
02:22:11.639 --> 02:22:13.840
if you want to, if it's
like, Okay, let him get it

2091
02:22:13.840 --> 02:22:18.559
out of his system one jab,
then you're both even because I do it,

2092
02:22:18.040 --> 02:22:20.600
you say it all the time.
This is CM Punk, different type

2093
02:22:20.600 --> 02:22:24.280
of person. Yeah, And I
think we could say the same about the

2094
02:22:24.280 --> 02:22:28.959
Elite. These are different personalities.
I think most people would have gotten together

2095
02:22:30.319 --> 02:22:33.079
and sat down in the damn room
by now and tried to talk this out,

2096
02:22:33.520 --> 02:22:37.479
and instead you have some that just
refused to. And I mean,

2097
02:22:37.520 --> 02:22:43.280
I'm hearing some of the just most
ridiculous things about PTSD claims and like from

2098
02:22:43.280 --> 02:22:50.479
a fight in a locker room.
Grow up. What about a three part

2099
02:22:50.520 --> 02:22:54.040
pre tape sitdown series which seem Punk
and Jim Ross or Chivanni or who whomever

2100
02:22:54.760 --> 02:23:01.280
with Punk that's outside the canon,
the narrative structure of the show that use

2101
02:23:01.479 --> 02:23:05.680
to satisfy to scratch that itch that
fans have about Punk in the Elite,

2102
02:23:05.680 --> 02:23:07.799
but it's out of the context of
the wrestling ring, the wrestling and to

2103
02:23:07.840 --> 02:23:13.799
be stage and he punk has this
a parallel thing going on with Hobbs or

2104
02:23:13.879 --> 02:23:18.040
Starks or Andrada or or Samoa Joe
or or Jericho or whomever, um,

2105
02:23:18.280 --> 02:23:20.399
because then you have more control.
You go punking and say it. But

2106
02:23:20.559 --> 02:23:26.399
legally we need it prerecorded and we
might add it. But if you want

2107
02:23:26.440 --> 02:23:28.280
to say and again, I think
the best way to do it is to

2108
02:23:28.319 --> 02:23:31.120
say, I'm not going to get
along with everybody in this. You know,

2109
02:23:31.200 --> 02:23:33.760
I'm I'm I'm not the type of
person who as rotation for getting along

2110
02:23:33.799 --> 02:23:35.200
with everybody, and I know I'm
not the easiest guy to get along with.

2111
02:23:35.280 --> 02:23:37.559
I think some people cross the line
and did some things they shouldn't have

2112
02:23:37.559 --> 02:23:41.799
done. They disagree, but we're
here to entertain the fans and that's our

2113
02:23:41.879 --> 02:23:48.799
job. But I do want to
apologize for taking away from from distracting from

2114
02:23:48.840 --> 02:23:50.639
a good, a great show with
some of the things that I said in

2115
02:23:50.680 --> 02:23:54.959
the venting that I did in the
agenda that I had going into that Q

2116
02:23:54.120 --> 02:23:56.559
and A, and I just I
want to, you know, like,

2117
02:23:56.639 --> 02:24:00.319
I think maybe you can spread that
into a two or three parts series that

2118
02:24:00.399 --> 02:24:05.280
draws ratings, But also, you
know, don't seem patty, don't seem

2119
02:24:05.319 --> 02:24:09.520
like you're just out to settle scores
and get the last word in and or

2120
02:24:09.719 --> 02:24:13.280
escalate things and overshadow whatever story you're
telling. With those people that I just

2121
02:24:13.319 --> 02:24:15.840
mentioned, who are the options for
punk on this new show? I mean,

2122
02:24:15.840 --> 02:24:18.959
I think the idea is you want
to dissipate the anticipation for a Punk

2123
02:24:20.000 --> 02:24:22.639
Kenny or punkin Bucks match. Oh
yeah, there needs to be a big

2124
02:24:22.639 --> 02:24:26.719
angle that night with somebody. Yeah
yeah, And it might not seem bigger

2125
02:24:26.760 --> 02:24:31.200
than what people quote some people want, but to me, you play long

2126
02:24:31.200 --> 02:24:37.600
ball, and long ball is telling
stories in the cannon, the kfebe cannon

2127
02:24:37.680 --> 02:24:41.040
of a pro wrestling show like the
Bloodline is doing, and just have Punk

2128
02:24:41.079 --> 02:24:45.399
go. I'm not comparing myself to
what's going on anywhere, but but I

2129
02:24:45.479 --> 02:24:48.200
want to. I want to be
in the conversation as being part of the

2130
02:24:48.239 --> 02:24:54.760
best whatever words you use, the
best stories in the best matches that gets

2131
02:24:54.760 --> 02:24:58.000
the most fans most emotionally invested.
I want to be in the conversation as

2132
02:24:58.520 --> 02:25:03.440
being the center of that in this
industry for the next for the next half

2133
02:25:03.479 --> 02:25:07.600
full of years. Yeah, hey, long ball sounds nice. This is

2134
02:25:07.680 --> 02:25:13.680
collision is to me. It reminds
me in a weird way of when WWE

2135
02:25:13.760 --> 02:25:20.959
brought back ECW in that one wrong
move, you might just send people away.

2136
02:25:20.079 --> 02:25:24.520
It's Saturday night is such a bad
night, and if they don't get

2137
02:25:24.520 --> 02:25:28.680
what they're looking for a Night one, I'm moving on. I'm not saying

2138
02:25:28.680 --> 02:25:31.000
they're gonna have zombies or anything like
that, but yeah, I really think

2139
02:25:31.079 --> 02:25:35.840
they need to put everything they have
into getting people excited right out of the

2140
02:25:35.840 --> 02:25:39.280
gate about this show. This needs
to be a special show. It just

2141
02:25:39.319 --> 02:25:43.319
can't be a bunch of matches and
a punk promo. They really need to

2142
02:25:43.360 --> 02:25:46.360
start telling some stories and hook people
right out of the gate, or they

2143
02:25:46.360 --> 02:25:50.920
will run the risk of they get
the same thing on Wednesday, just with

2144
02:25:50.959 --> 02:25:54.479
different wrestlers. And it's not even
just Wednesday they're competing with, it's every

2145
02:25:54.520 --> 02:25:58.399
other night of the damn week with
all the wrestling that's available. So yeah,

2146
02:25:58.440 --> 02:26:01.799
it does have to be punking the
elite. But whatever they do,

2147
02:26:03.280 --> 02:26:07.399
they need to connect on Night one
or there is a real risk there that

2148
02:26:07.879 --> 02:26:11.559
whatever that number is the first week, there's a sharp decline the second week

2149
02:26:11.559 --> 02:26:16.159
and they don't get those people back. Are you sure you're committed to ruling

2150
02:26:16.159 --> 02:26:22.239
out zombies though, Oh well,
I'm looking at the roster. Um there's

2151
02:26:22.239 --> 02:26:26.799
a dark order dynamite. Why can't
there be a zombie faction. Matt Hardy

2152
02:26:26.799 --> 02:26:31.200
could become a zombie. Well,
it would have to be a zombie who

2153
02:26:31.200 --> 02:26:35.399
has contract issues and losing his contract
to another zombie, I would think,

2154
02:26:35.719 --> 02:26:39.920
because that seemed the only thing that
Matt Hardy knows how to book these days

2155
02:26:39.959 --> 02:26:45.360
is contracts. Yep. I'm looking
at the roster to see if anyone strikes

2156
02:26:45.360 --> 02:26:50.639
me as a zombie. Well,
there's that that Trench guy. Yep,

2157
02:26:50.959 --> 02:26:56.799
he could be it. What happened
to him? I don't know. I

2158
02:26:56.799 --> 02:27:01.639
mean that we're gonna start finding out
if these people are still around. I

2159
02:27:01.799 --> 02:27:07.040
guess yeah, Um, yeah,
Trench and Parker Boudreau, you can.

2160
02:27:07.159 --> 02:27:11.280
Luther and her Pentaco could maybe be
good zombies. Sure, here you go.

2161
02:27:11.840 --> 02:27:15.319
Maybe, but Luther, Yes,
Luther's perfect. Oh, Griff Garrison,

2162
02:27:15.520 --> 02:27:18.639
I think as an Uh could be
a good zombie. I think if

2163
02:27:18.680 --> 02:27:24.440
he's dressed up in torn clothes and
weird makeup. I don't know what he's

2164
02:27:24.959 --> 02:27:26.360
back on our wish this week or
did see that? Yeah, let's turn

2165
02:27:26.440 --> 02:27:31.079
him into a zombie for I like
it, Yeah, Tony nice. Maybe.

2166
02:27:33.360 --> 02:27:37.680
I mean, like what if QTV
just becomes like zombie it's just all

2167
02:27:39.440 --> 02:27:46.040
they're all zombies all the time.
Um whereas uh um, holy crap,

2168
02:27:46.120 --> 02:27:52.639
Ryan Pillman juniors down the roster.
Yeah, um abbadon, she could switch.

2169
02:27:52.639 --> 02:27:54.760
She could be the zombie leader.
Yeah. I think she is a

2170
02:27:54.879 --> 02:27:58.120
zombie, isn't she. I don't
know. I honestly don't know if she's

2171
02:27:58.120 --> 02:28:03.760
meant to be a zombie or she's
described as a living dead girl. Okay,

2172
02:28:03.760 --> 02:28:05.600
well that's a zombie. Yeah.
Yeah, then maybe maybe Layla Hurst

2173
02:28:05.680 --> 02:28:09.559
even a rob zombie song. I
think Layla Hirsh could be a good a

2174
02:28:09.600 --> 02:28:16.600
good female zombie. Yeah, I
mean on the tiny side for rigial Hubbie.

2175
02:28:16.680 --> 02:28:18.959
I guess they come in all shapes
and shine, that's the thing.

2176
02:28:18.040 --> 02:28:22.360
Yeah, all right, Jason,
we kind of wrap up there if you

2177
02:28:22.360 --> 02:28:24.479
want. I'm just I want to
make sure we don't leave out any well.

2178
02:28:24.520 --> 02:28:28.239
I mean, thunder Rosa looks like
half zombie, that's true, but

2179
02:28:28.280 --> 02:28:33.040
I don't I don't want it to
be a zombie. We get, but

2180
02:28:33.120 --> 02:28:35.120
then you have people biting people and
turning into like you can't start off just

2181
02:28:35.159 --> 02:28:39.440
like two people, but then they
start biting people. And maybe was it

2182
02:28:39.520 --> 02:28:43.159
Luca Soaurus who lost a thumb to
Arn Anderson like the skin he did?

2183
02:28:43.319 --> 02:28:46.840
Yeah, so maybe lucas source turns
into a zombie and that's how this all

2184
02:28:46.879 --> 02:28:50.040
starts. He becomes zombie Sours or
Luca Zombie. I don't know which,

2185
02:28:50.040 --> 02:28:54.079
which you would choose, But are
you down on that pairing as I am

2186
02:28:54.280 --> 02:28:56.760
lord Low and Arn anders like,
it's like, I'm just don't know,

2187
02:28:56.879 --> 02:29:01.799
hanging out with this crazy mega uncle. Yeah exactly, I'm just done with

2188
02:29:01.920 --> 02:29:05.319
Arn. I don't, I don't
whatever our every every time? Aren't says

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something, And it's like the cringing
moment on Jim Ross commentary, but worse.

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Yeah, man, I love Darn
back in the day. I yeah,

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I don't know. I always assumed
he'd end up with FDR and things

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will go smooth, and it didn't
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my TV. Arn. Yeah yeah, arns Arn someone who don't Tony you

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set a little chat with and yeah, get him up TV. But Wardlow

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is another guy disappointment as a character, you know, I mean, it's

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just it just there's not that that
hook Um, but we'll see all right,

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Jason, Um, cool, thank
you, thank you. Yeah,

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no sports talk. There's not much
to talk about it. You know.

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That's our team's exited in the first
and the Twins are in that division.

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Somebody has to win. But then
Luis and in the first round of Yeah

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hopefully yeah, all right, Well
maybe by next maybe by next time or

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the time after we got some some
Kirk Cousin students or something. Yeah,

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one of these days we'll get Delvin
cooked theres. I don't know when the

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hell that's current? Yeah, really
okay, thanks Jason. Well, i'll

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