All right. Joining us now is Jack Lawson, who has Civil Defensemanual dot
com. Let me grab a copy of this. I'll always keep it right
here, two volumes set, and you can find it at Civil Defensemanual dot
com. There's a reason that Jack does this only in a physical copy.
That's that's what we were just talked about earlier. You know, the hacks
and the vulnerability of our infrastructure, our internet and things like that. But
Jack has something very interesting to talk about, and so I'm going to let
you roll this story out. You know somebody that actually arrested Vladimir Putin and
interrogated him. Tell us about that. Yeah, David, I wrote,
I've written and published four books. Let me give you real quick, your
readers or your watchers, your listeners, an idea of my background. I
was in the American Air Force for four years. I was an electronics specialist
for missile guidance systems and a pro system they called the safe ol S,
a f O nuclear arming system, and I did the uh arming package for
the nuclear bomb which I used to actually sit on top of putting his package.
I was also a members like Slim Pickens in Doctor Strange Law. Yeah,
of course, I never opened the door underneath you fortunately likelim swim picking,
but probably didn't go in the dark lick mine I got, I got,
I radiated from I've got problems from it. But I was also after
the American Air Force. I was a member of a Foreign Legian Anti Terrorist
Rapid Response Unit UH in Africa, and I was involved in a nasty war.
Was there for about three years, and I've I've offered four books.
But what you were alluding to was Solly Defontaine. He's in the Special Forces.
He was a member of my Special Forces chapter in Las Vegas. But
the bottom line is the guy is in the Special Forces Hall of Fame.
I told him one time, Sally went, I see these pictures from the
nineteen sixties of all these diplomats and stuff. I looked real close to see
if you're in the background. He seemed to get involved in just about everything.
But in this case he was a Green Beret colonel, right, He's
a green break colonel. And then he became the director of the Berlin Criminal
Investigation Division, which is a department of the Army. And he told me
the story one day, what a character, a great man. He was
like a second father to me. I used to asleep over to their house
and his wife would make me breakfast. And they were just great people,
you know, and just very assaults of the earth. He was a Frenchman
born in Brussels, but naturalized American because he spoke fluent Marseille French. He
had a lot of interactions with the ABC agencies. But in Berlin in the
late eighties they had American tenth Special Forces Group actually had people going behind the
line. People don't know this unless you read books on this, but they
had guys that lived in the Eastern Bloc countries. Just as if they owned
a home and they were a citizen. They spoke perfect dialect of the language
there. Well, one of these guys was out of the East Block and
in Berlin in his apartment and noticed a mailman walking down the street. And
this mailman was in a German mail uniform and had a mail bag and it
was kind of it's the guy was just nonchalantly stirring, and he noticed this
guy isn't delivering any mail. And he saw him the next day, so
he decides to follow this guy and he follows him to an apartment. The
guy didn't deliver one bit of mail, except he got to this apartment.
So this special Forces guy talked to the CID, which Sully Defontein was running,
he was a Colonel Inn and told him about this. Thank so they
put the mailman delivering the mail and the apartment under surveillance determine it was a
Russian KGB operation, so they arrested the mailman. He turned out to be
Vladimir Putin, now the president of our Premier of Russia, and he said
he had a whole team of guys and they interrogated him NonStop for hours,
and he said everybody came out of that room liking Putin. He was such
a charming person. He first off admitted, yeah, I'm a spy,
you know, I told him so. Anyway, he said we he said,
I talked to him for probably an hour, and he said he was
an absolutely most charming person I've ever integrated, interviewed, and he said they
swapped him a couple of days later for an American Special Forces guy they'd caught
holding. So they did the swap, and then the intelligence agencies found out
about this and blew a fuse because yeah, Putin was a spy, but
he was also running the entire Russian KGB operation in the East Germany. And
they were really angry about this that they let him go, and apparently somebody
didn't get the communicy. Hey, we captured this guy, so you know,
since they showed no interest, they did the swap. Wow, it's
amazing that if he was running that he would be out there on the street
dressed as a mailman. This is almost like the Star Trek thing where they
had the captain of the ship goes down with every party. You know,
he putin majored in German language. They have intense schools in Russia back in
that time, and he spoke perfect German, and so did Colonel d Fontaine.
Anyway, the longest short of this thing was I said this, I
asked Sally. I said, well, what was putin like? He said,
I'll just tell you one thing. He's nobody's fool. He tricked us
into letting him go. He was so low key and he had everybody in
the room laughing. He's telling these jokes all the time, and you know,
he looks so serious when you see him on TV. I mean,
he's probably a pretty brutal character. He was KGB all those guys. And
I'm no apologist for him or the Russians. Yeah, I think they made
great They made mob great mob characters. You know, it reminds me of
the movie The Ukrainians do too, But yeah, it reminds me of the
movie The Usual Suspects, where we had Kevin Spacey is kaiser. He's telling
them all this, Yeah, that type of thing. That's That's exactly what
Sully said. And he said, I'll tell you one thing. He said,
he's no one's fool. He said that guy is extremely intelligent and very
crafty and very He can lay out a he can play three dimensional chess.
So anyway, the longest short of thing was I thought that was very interesting
that he interrogated him for this long time and that he was actually in Berlin
doing this. But what he was doing there and why was there, I
don't know. I didn't get the Sully was hard to get information out of.
He did so many incredible things, but his wife and me used to
have to try to get him drunk it whine at night to get any stories
out of it, because he was he was just so humble. He's just
an incredibly great guy. Well, you know, it makes you. It
makes you think when you compare how somebody rises up through a tutalitarian system like
that, Uh, and they do have to be very ruthless, intelligent and
so forth. And you know, whereas the people who rise up in our
system they have to be ruthless, they have to be ruthless and corrupt.
They don't necessarily have to be intelligent. I guess see what's happening that is
that is an understatement. I just have a hard time sometimes getting up in
the morning and skimming over the news. I don't really get into it too
much in detail. Yeah, because it's a matter I think the biggest task
people face in this country now is trying to determine what the truth is.
Yes, And that's why I actually encourage your readers to to uh support you
because to me, you're you're one of the few people that's a voice of
reason and reality, uh in this crazy world. I mean, the time
to think the news, I I just I can't even look at it.
It's just it's disheartening, and I think it's purposely designed to be that way.
But anyway, Uh, I cannot believe the mess we're in a use.
The understatement was not very intelligent, but they seem to be surrounded by
people like that. Uh Joe, Uh, you know, we're in a
Kennedy Kennedy missile crisis, whether people realize this or not, Cuban Kennedy missile
crisis. Only Joe Biden isn't John Kennedy, and Putin is not Nikita Khrushchev.
Krushev was kind of a clown and uh he yeah, you know when
he when he goes to the unit and he takes off his shoe and he
starts banging in on the I think we will bury you. I mean that,
Yeah, theatrics. He was one of the Stalin used to make them
dance around and when they had their commissar meetings and got drunk, and he
was kind of looked at as the clown, but everybody liked him and he
was acceptable enough to put in a position at that time. But we don't
have those people. So I think people better pray that cooler heads prevail in
this thing. I am totally convinced these people in the West have lost their
grip on reality. They're totally delusional. Yes, we do not have a
nineteen ninety military anymore. We do not have even technological superiority anymore. The
one thing that's going to be the deal breaker in a war is going to
be the hypersonic missiles. Now, missiles I worked on, we're pretty fast,
but nothing, nothing at all like what they've got. Now, it's
it's going as somebody who's going to get walked over, And I don't believe
it's going to be the Russians. They've had two years of intense combat experience.
Most of the men they've rotated through to get combat. So they've got
approximately one point two million people that are combat ground forces. And you know,
I don't know who's going to be in involved with this. I think
initially NATO, if they get boots in the ground into Ukraine, is probably
going to be using European troops now that they're already and they've had American troops
in there. These systems that we're giving them are so complex. You can't
teach somebody how to run that thing like a Heimayer's missile system. You can't
teach this stuff in a month or two months. And lot of that they've
had to put people in there, and I think our Defense Department is concealing
the fact that quite a number of Americans have probably been killed over there.
Yeah, you know. Well, of course, with our wide open borders,
you've talked about many times the ability for them to do direct sabotage,
not just through cybersecurity issues and things like that, we could easily have somebody
dressed as a mailman just walk across the border. Right, he doesn't even
have to have a mail bag, just come across. I might actually stick
out and be even more suspicious if they came dressed as a mailman. I
think, yeah, you're probably you'll probably get the choice of postal office blue
water or one of the LGB colored ones. There you go, Yeah,
yeah, I come dressed as LGBT. Oh, bring them right in.
We need more of them. Yeah. I've never seen a country in such
a best. We'll just tell your listeners this and you had a conversation.
Since writing his book, The Civil Defense Manual, I have had the opportunity
to meet people that I would have never met in my lifetime. One such
person I won't say his name. He's up in his eighties now. He
was in line for the last president's Assistant Director of National Security, which he
turned down because he was eighty at the time. He's a retired Army colonel
and combat veteran of Korea and also an attorney, and he was he's had
some very important positions. But he told me about two weeks ago. All
the chatter in Washington, DC, in the Pentagon, the intelligence agencies,
politicians is something is going to happen in September October, something very big.
Now, I don't want to alarm people, but I also believe that something
is going to happen. Whether it's going to be an all out war with
American troops in the ground in the Middle East or in the Ukraine, I
don't know whether it's going to be an exchange of some kind. By the
way, I'll just tell you this, I'm quite familiar. I'm no expert,
but I'm quite familiar with nuclear type weapons. The first one people have
to understand, we set off and Hureshiman Knagonzaki was an atomic bomb that was
splitting the atom. The ones that they came up with after that were called
thermonuclear, which is a combination of splitting atom, which is fishing and fusion,
which is a multiplication factor that makes us bomb explosion a thousand dimes more
powerful. We now use thermonuclear weapons. There is no such thing as a
tactical nuclear weapons. That is a joke. I laugh every time I hear
it. It's like the old myths of mythology of Pandora's box. Once you
open that look out, I don't think anybody understands the graduation and power of
these bombs. And that's a frightening thing to me. Well, and of
course, you know, we've had a lot of indications of this. You
look at Jen Stoltenberg, I think, is the NATO commander, head of
NATO. He's stepping down, and they got a new guy they're putting in
there, Mark Ruta, who was the guy that was Prime minister in the
Netherlands trying to shut down all the farms and the farmers. They organize and
threw him out, so they move him to NATO. But you've got all
these different European nations, but especially the UK, talking about reviving a draft,
doing this even though that's unpopular, doing it as they're coming up to
an election. And then the same thing here in the United States, and
the United States not only talking about automatically registering you in the draft, but
now you've got a Democrat saying, let's draft women. And this is one
of the things that here's a meme that was used years ago. This was
a guy that they convicted and want to send to prison because he put up
some joke memes during the twenty sixteen election saying just text your vote to this
or show up on Wednesday or whatever to vote. The same things were being
done on the other side to Republicans, but they came after this guy,
not after the person who was doing it on the other sideary Republicans and want
to put him in jail. One of the memes that he put up is
this. When I've got up on the screen right now, a woman who
was laying on the ground said he died for his country. Is in the
military, Michael Arlen con cemetery or something. He died for his country.
Now it's her turn. And then down on the bottom there it's Hillary Clinton's
logo and the hashtag draft our daughters. They're actually doing that, now,
Yeah, that's what they want. Well, of course the Republicans are saying
we're not going to do that, but you've got Democrats have introduced that bill.
So when you look at the fact that not only are they a bringing
up the draft, but they are also trying to extend it because they're worried
that they're not going to have enough people. They're going to extend it to
women as well, And so all of these things are indications. And then
you had the reason I mentioned NATO before was because the guy's currently there said,
oh, yeah, it's no problem for us to fly jets over Russia.
Oh really, that's not a problem. That's not a provocation, that's
not taking it to the next step. That's where they are right now.
So yeah, when you say that something's going to be happening, if it's
done right before the election, yeah, maybe that's a part of their calculation
to take us to war because people are not happy with what they're doing,
but they keep pushing this. It's a relentless, iterative process to push us
into World War III. Yes, I believe there's a push. How far
this is going to go, I don't know. I'll just say this that
it's quite interesting how all of these LBG x y Z people and people like
Ruta who were trying to close all the farms down, how they are so
behind all of this. It's if somebody can't connect the dots and draw a
conclusion that there is an agenda behind this, it's being pushed by people.
Then they need to go back to school. I think a probable situation.
I feel this is quite probable. I earlier told you I'm one of probably
a handful of people that's ever witnessed a thermobaric explosion. Let me explain to
people what a thermobaric is. It is not nuclear. It is simply something
that Germans were working on at the end of World War two, one of
their secret weapons. And thank god they did not get the thing functioning and
delivery systems because this weapon. I'll just give you an in I saw this
thing dropped. I was probably eight hundred yards away from this day, and
the pilot told me over the radio. He said, he said, watch
this, mate, and he disappeared. Is yet disappeared into the clouds,
and he came down almost probably a seventy degree angle, released this thermobaric bomb.
Wow. A thermobaric bomb is a very low flash point, highly flammable
mixture of chem goes, primarily fuels, And what happened when he dropped this
bomb is usually the procedure in most of them. Now The Russians have made
huge strides with thermobaric weapons in the last decades. But the thermobaric bomb,
once it's dropped, a small explosive charge blows the sides off of the thing
like a clamshell, and it distributes. You can literally see this. I
watched this miss of highly flammable fuel spread out for hundreds of yards. And
then the bomb has a lanyard hanging on it, in other words, a
long rope and it's got a weight on it, and that weight as soon
as it touches the ground, releases the tension on the rope and it triggers
the many explosion, which then ignites all of this fuel mist. That's over
hundreds of yards. Wow. I have never in my I've seen a lot
of explosions, I never in my life witnessed anything like this. They were
actually two of them. The first one was kind of a crump sounding and
the shell sides came off the thermo barry weapon spread the fuel, and then
the main charge ignited all that fuel. It actually sucked the wind eight hundred
yards away towards it. It was drawing on the oxygen out wow, and
it needed it through to ignite. This explosion of the fuel it drew,
it created a mushroom cloud. I couldn't believe this, but the light from
the explosion was so intense it was like a bright star. Now people talk
about the Russians using retaliating if they get hit inside. I think right now,
what they're doing they have the Ukrainians have a limited number of missiles.
Most of them have a range probably maximum of three hundred miles, and they've
got to be launched inside of Ukrainian controlled areas. I think they're limited in
these, and I think the Russians are going to let them expend them.
The replenishment of them is going to be a problem because they're completely They're over
sophisticated, like most American and Native weapons are. Yeah, so I think
what the Russians, if they do retaliate, will probably widely announce they're using
a thermobaric weapon. These things have they have. I've never seen a lot
of them set off, but I saw the one and I can just tell
you it almost mimics a small nuclear weapon explosion that I've seen in training films
in the Air Force. So that's a possibility. Whether the West is going
to say it is a nuclear weapon and being used. I don't think the
Russians want to open Pandora's box. I don't know what's your take on it.
Well, you know, when we go back and we look at what
happened with Syria, for example, that was every time and it was it
was three years in a row that they did this, right, and the
last one they did was the first year of Trump. It was in twenty
seventeen. And every time you would have a city that had been under constant
bombardment and the Syrian government was about to take back this Syrian city, and
we're supposed to believe that they dropped chemical weapons, and it was debunked every
one of those times, and people, you know, eventually you get eyewitnesses
that are there and other testimony, but it took a while, and you
know, they would show even the spent canisters and stuff like that, but
it was it took a while for them to debunk that. It made no
logical sense whatsoever that they would conduct this conventional warfare, get right up to
the point of when and then do the one thing that would bring in troops
on the ground. It was obviously a narrative to bring troops on the ground,
so it becomes an information war, just like it was with Syria,
and you know, and they nearly got what they wanted out of that each
of those times. Even in Trump's first year he kind of followed up on
it and sent some missiles in. But then you know, it was shown
that it was the white hats who had claimed that it was a poison gas
that was dropped on them and that type of thing, so you know,
who knows it's really going to be. That's why I think the key thing
is information, because when you have a war, the first thing that goes
is the truth, and it's difficult for people to get through that fog of
war and know which side is telling them truth. Typically both sides are lying
about everything, and so it's very difficult to sort that out. And if
they really want to push it hard, they'll just use as an excuse and
go in because it takes a while to debunk these types of issues. So
I think it's very plausible they might do something like that. I also think
it's very interesting you talked about how overcomplex our systems are. I think when
you look at things like the m One Abrams and all these other high tech,
very expensive pieces of equipment that we're sending over there. Oh, that's
going to be a game changer. There's no way that they can counter that,
and yet they do. They're very vulnerable. You see now the modern
state of the art tanks that are being put in by Germany, and presumably
they'll do it with the N one abrams. I haven't seen any of them
with it on. Maybe they've got it on, but they're driving around.
They look like a mobile chicken coop. You know. They put it's really
crude, you know, netting and like a chicken coop and everything on top
of the tank. It looks, it looks, it looks like a mess,
but you know that's what they have to do. They call the Russian
ones the turtle. Yeah exactly, they've got the same thing. Yeah,
but you know what has happened. I mean, you know with every war,
you begin it fighting the tools from the last one, and then you
find out everything's really changed, and so the things changed. That is a
drone strike, and that is really kind of turned into kind of a stalemate
trench warfare. Troops can't move because the drones will go after them directly,
but also after the tanks. You know, when you're talking about the troops
or the tanks, it's very easy to change it. So it's really hard
to tell whether this is going to start. I don't like any of this
because once you start a war, everybody's got this attitude, oh yeah,
we're going to win. This thing is going to be a cake walk and
everything. You always hear that the beginning of wars, nobody knows which way
it's going to go, and everything changes. Yeah, people here have to
understand if it progresses from any kind of a strike by the Russians in Europe
to them going really overboard and striking something in the United States. When I
went through nuclear training, it was like bend over and try to kiss your
butt by. It was under the MAD doctrine, which stands for mutual assured
destruction. It was insanity. It still is insanity. They're going enough weapons
to turn this planet into a blackened cinner revolving around the sun. I don't
think anybody is that crazy. I don't know. I see things being done
and you say information war, Good God. I mean, we've been told
from day one, the Russians are being defeated, the Russians are being defeated.
The Russians are pushing all over that place now they've learned from their mistakes.
They did get have quite a few casualties to start with, because the
Ukrainians are well I speak of the Late Ukrainians, the Ukrainian military. The
Ukrainians are fighters, and they're pretty ferocious fighters, but they're no longer around
five thousand of them killed. But if people get start to get scared over
this, they have to realize it's quite simple. I'd like to go into
this a little bit, just the seven to ten rule and the inverse square
law when it comes to nuclear weapons and a detonation, So they're unless you're
in a fireball or the blast area, you know, it's a matter of
doing a couple of simple things and you can survive and you won't have any
ill effects from it, depending on how far you're away from the blast area.
But generally speaking, people should I've got a whole section in a Surviving
nuclear war with what you have, and people go to www. Civil Defensemanual
dot com. I've got an entire section in there. It's free to read,
but it'll give people a pretty good idea. It doesn't have the seven
gen rule in but it's got basic information. Get in the middle of your
house and let me let me say this. You know, it's important for
people. You put that there. That's very important, and it's free for
people. So you've also got a chapter from your books about water and that
is also free. And so if people look at those two things, you're
going to see the depth and the breadth of information that Jack's got in these
things. But it's also two things that you really do need to know.
Yeah. Yeah, it's basically the a disea of how to survive without this
modern technical, power driven electrical infrastructure that we live in. And it's a
matter of like walking through a desert. If you're walking fifty miles through a
desert and a water hole is twenty five miles away, you need to get
to that water hole, and it's a matter of surviving long enough to continue
on with your life. And I don't see strike for one thing. People
get confused. They think, oh, if we're getting bombarded, I don't
know what the Chinese would do, but I know the doctrine of most militaries
and nuclear exchanges. A They're going to set off an EMP a series of
electromagnetic pulseive and I'm not going to go into but it's too complex. But
the second thing they'll do is hit military centers, communications and power generation hubs,
military manufacturing and logistics centers. They're not out to kill everybody in the
city of New York or Los Angeles. If there's a facility there that's manufacturing,
it may get hit. If there's an Air Force base next door,
may get hit. If there's a like the EUMO Marine Corps depot or the
TUELI which fuels all supplies for everything but the Marine Corps, those places may
get hit. But the bottom line is they're not out to kill the citizenry.
But you have to. You know, people have to evaluate what's around
them, and that's going to give you pretty much a survival factor to tell
you whether you're going to be in a blast or a fireball area. And
of course, if they take out the infrastructure, and you know, people
can't have most people haven't provided anything for themselves. They don't have to kill
everybody. Everybody will wind up killing each other. Try fighting over food.
That's such a valid point, and everybody seems to forget that. If the
electrical grids goes down, we're we're in big trouble. Our internet went off
where I live for two hours. We had a transformer blow. Of course,
everybody's freaking out in the neighborhood. The Russians have attack, you know,
like that movie, Remember that movie with Peter Rus and the Russians are
coming to us at that movie. But you know, they portray Russia as
I'm no apologist for him. Like I said, there's some pretty brutal,
brutal people and the gangs that they have, and that kind of showed me
what they're like. But I think the longest short of it is people think
that Russia is the Soviet Union that we fought in the Cold War. It's
no longer that It's totally changed. I don't think they have aspirations to take
over Europe. I mean I was thinking, why would they want to?
They got every Third world dreg in the world coming into Europe. I mean,
they must have enough problems at home, the Russians. Why would they
want to take on all these Third world migrants? You know, well,
if you stop and thinking about it, they've got the largest land mass and
they're right next to China, which has the largest population. And I think
they're worried about their back door. I mean, they don't really need any
more land. They've got more land than anybody else does right now. And
you know, it's I think when you look at the Ukraine thing, I
see it as NATO aggression going back eight years and this internal civil war that
was going and everybody maden revolution. Yeah, and it's been proven. Yeah,
the intelligence agencies and the West were involved in that. Yes, yes,
and even in Ukraine. We had one guy he's now been kicked out
because he was very candid about everything. You know, he got kicked out
when he said, yeah, that the Russians didn't target that apartment building.
It was a missile Cruis missile that came in and we hit it and then
it veered into this apartment building. So they kicked him out. But he
was unfiltered in what he had to say. And he came in with the
Zelenski regime, which campaigned on ending the war, and he said, no,
there's not going to be any end of the war. And as a
matter of fact, he said, in three years we're going to be at
war with Russia, and in three years they were, you know, it
was twenty nineteen. He said that, So there was this everybody understood on
both sides where this thing was going for quite something. Well, look,
we did the same thing. If if the Russians are China moved missile systems
that would deliver a nuclear weapon at nuclear weapons in New Mexico, I guarantee
you the border to get controlled pretty quick. In fact, we'd be probably
running tanks over in New Mexico. We would not put up with that.
And you know, Colonel mcgre my theory is proven by the Cuban missile crisis.
We didn't put up with them. And so what Russia is doing I
think is for the benefit of their security. Again, I'm not an apologist.
Form there's a lot of things I like about people all over the world.
There's things I don't like, but I've had interactions. So I've got
a couple of guys that were special forces guys in Afghanistan the Russian Army,
I know, and they're great guys talk to, you know, but pretty
brutal characters too. Yeah, yeah, Well you know it's McGregor said,
if you think that, if you think that Ukraine can beat Russia, that's
kind of like saying if we had a war between Mexico and the United States,
and Mexico is going to win. That's just not going to happen.
The size of the place, the resources, the imbalance that is there,
and so you know, it's become a proxy war. But you mentioned at
the very beginning, and you can refer to it again now, the Cuban
missile crisis. And you know what, people didn't realize for maybe about fifteen
years or maybe longer. I think it came out in the eighties, maybe
twenty years after it happened, that there was this other thing that was happening.
We had put missiles in Turkey and that was really on Italy. We
actually had one of the versions of the V two German rocket was the Jupiter
missile, and they had nuclear tipped ones in Turkey right across the border.
Yeah, and of course, a typical American politician, Kennedy says, we
stared to Russian's don they blinked? Well, they didn't really blank. You
know, That's one of the reasons Krusher got removed was the deally he made.
And the long and short of the thing was they took those missiles and
there's nuclear weapons out of Turkey and at the demand of the Russians, and
they didn't really blink. They just did a trade off. You know.
Yeah, that's right, and that was that was kept quiet on our side
for quite some time, and so you know, in a sense, this
is very much a repeat of that. Of course, as you pointed out,
Biden is no JFK and it's no Cruise chev But you know, we've
we've put this military stuff close to them now with Ukraine. So they're making
a show of bringing their sub to Cuba and to Venezuela to launch rockets from
it as well as a show of force to say dangerous. Yeah, that's
a dangerous, dangerous situation. Yeah, when you get to nuclear weapons,
it's not far from a soldier having a rifle and being in a war and
shooting the enemy and getting around people that are armed road disarmed. There's always
the potential to pull that trigger, because he's been doing it. If you
let the nuclear box of Pandora's box open and take out the tax to the
nuclear weapon and use them, look out. Nobody knows how far this is
going to go. And of course are people in Washington, DC and elsewhere
that are important really have no skin in the game because they've got provisions to
protect these people for a long period of time. Americans don't have it.
The Russians just had a forty four thousand person about three months ago a civil
defense exercise. When's the last time you heard our defense? It really isn't
anything to speak of. It's FEMA. Yeah, it's nothing. There's an
interesting book I read. I've talked about that several times called Raven Rock,
the US government's plan to save themselves and let the rest of us die,
talking about how they had what they had done during the Cold War, we
had mutually assured destruction. Uh, they were going to assure that all of
us died, but we're going to go into the underground bunkers and things like
that, and they got into a lot of detail about it, you know,
talking about these uh, these different places. We had one close to
where we lived in North Carolina that was an underground AT and T facility.
So there was a lot of these different things that were spread around. But
yeah, you're right, they really don't care about us. And when you
started talking about this like giving a rifle to a soldier, the thing that
came to my mind was these guys in Washington are kind of like some guys
never touched the gun before, and you hand it to him and he's waving
it around at everybody in the room without any muzzle control, right, you
know. And that's really what's going on with our foreign policy. I mean,
it's like we've handed a bunch of rifles to the State Department and the
Pentagon and they're just waving on that everybody in the world, you know,
to see where this is going to go off. Well, let's hope if
anything catastrophic like this happens, that there's enough of us left to have the
capability to run the cement trucks over and fill their airbns. You know,
yeah, I don't. You know, I don't envision a world being run
by the politicians period, but especially who we've got in charge now. And
those people running a government now are not going to relinquish power. In my
opinion, They've gotten where they've gotten as far as they've gone, and I
do not think I think they're kind of like somebody having her housefork closed on
and beside the light of fire and burn the thing down as walking out the
door. I think that's this extent that these people will go and I don't
even think they know how dangerous this situation is. They just keep poking.
As far as I'm concerned, they're poking the Russian they keep the we have
five or six times as many aircraft. We got a lot of F fifteen's
and sixteens and delivery systems for nuclear weapons. But if they put those in
Poland, I'll guarantee you the Russians are not going to wait. They will
probably do something to take those air bases out. They will not let that
threat because they're seeing these people as totally illogical and unreasonable and literally insane.
Just directive and decisions they're making. You don't put yourself in the Russian military.
I think Putin is probably fairly reserved, and what he's done. I've
heard that some of the military officers wanted us overthrow him over this other group
that had the opinion, let's slowly kill off the Ukrainians and will take We
don't want to provoke a war, you know, pull on. I just
don't think they're going to be able to avoid it. Yeah, is it
truly is insane? And you know, I think that you talked about the
fact that the Russians have civil defense drills and things like that. Nothing here
they went through. Their experience in World War Two is very different than the
American experience, and because so many millions of them died in that war,
that's the kind of memory that lasts. You know, we don't really remember
World War Two in this country much. It wasn't on our soil, and
the people who fought it now for the most part, have died, and
so there's a bit of an understanding of maybe our father's or our grandfather's war,
But it's very different when you have that kind of mass swater on your
own soil that persists for several generations, and so they have a very different
perspective on this. I think, correct, correct, I think that the
Russians are willing to sacrifice people. The amazing to me is totally blows me
away. I like to study military tactics, and we have a conventional We
have a set of conventional tactics to fight a Russian invasion of Europe. The
Russians have always but they especially now with technology, use what's called the ISR.
It's intelligence surveillance and reconnaissance. They pinpoint every square inch of twenty five
miles in front of them. Drone artillery missile strikes. Anything that gets in
that not twenty five miles twenty five kilometers, and it gets in that twenty
five kilometer range. They have three layers of defense. Every one of those
layers is basically pinpoint targeted for heavy heavy bombarber. This is why the Ukrainians
just get cut to pieces. They'll lose five six thousand people in a day
because they say, okay, yeah, we broke through the Russian lines.
No, they broke through the first tier of defenses, and the Russians don't
let them get any further than that. They decimate them. They decimate as
one out of ten. They obliterate them. And our NATO advisors can't seem
to teach them anything but what the conventional tactics of a Cold War were for
an invasion of Russia. They it just boils me away. But this isn't
where military is sticking them mud and junior commanders say only what they know the
senior commander wants to hear, So it's just a misirected effort. But they
I just I'm just assured that eventually, as far as I'm concerned, the
Ukraine has already crumbled. They just haven't closed up shop yet. They've still
got the lights on. Yeah. Yeah, And a lot of people were
saying that from the very beginning, it's like, you know, this mismatch
that is there is doomed to failure, and yet it appears that the NATO
forces are just going to use that as an excuse to directly engage the Russians.
Yeah, I think that's where this is headed. Well, you know,
there's an interesting article. Let's talk a little bit about individual preparation again.
You've got the chapter about how to prepare for nuclear war in the aftermath
of that if you're not in the blast the direct blast zone, and that
is a free chapter at Civil Defensemanual dot com. But I was kind of
curious to get some of your response to an article that I saw that I
thought was kind of funny because it was in the UK and they were saying
that only about fifteen percent of the British people do any kind of prepping,
and so the Telegraph got a hold of somebody and said, we'll tell us
what we need to do. And of course the first thing that you talk
about is, in fact, you got to have water nowhere in this do
they mentioned water at all. Instead, they say, well, you got
to have about three days worth of canned food and things like that. You
gotta have a winter sleeping bag, a warm, waterproof coat. And I'm
looking at this and it's like, what are they talking about? A flashlight?
You know, stuff like this beach. Yeah, that's right. I
like this one a three and one survival survival whistle, a whistle so that
you we're going to call it exactly what you're gonna call yeah, yeah,
ghostbuster. Yeah. For one thing, I don't want to insult anybody English,
but I'm married to an English woman and a British woman, and I've
always said that the English make good subjects, not citizens. We Americans.
I really do believe that we almost have something in our genetics that gives us
such a ferocious independence. It's passed on since the days of the seventeen hundreds,
since we set foot in this place. It's just a survival mode.
I would like to tell people the simple rule is if you better have some
water number one, if you're going to survive. Okay, I'll give you
a scenario I would do in my house if there was a nuclear attack and
we had winds drifting this way with fallout number one. The nuclear weapons that
I worked on, the thermonuclear weapons, were what were called the dirty bombs.
They were very inefficient. They were a huge blasts. They left a
lot of radioactivity around. I called the new ones that don't laugh, but
I called the new ones environmentally friendly or green bombs, because they have been
engineered to be very precise. They put a big bang out and they don't
leave a lot of waste around. However, if you were to have an
attack somewhere around you and you're outside of the fireball, which forget your toast,
it turns into the center the blast area is going to radiate to.
That's usually about fifteen to twenty miles from a target. If you're outside there,
you're going to end up having southwesterly winds. Harry fallout. The simple
thing I would do in my house. I've got a large front room.
I would close all of my windows, I would close all my doors.
I would have a enough water, which is one gallon per person per day
for about four days in my house. I would put it in five gallon
buckets or in bath in a bathtub. You want to stay though in the
center of the house. Here's the other thing people don't realize the first time
in probably one hundred years, our water system is as frail or as fragile
as our food system. We depend on it being pumped to us. We
don't have wells like we used to have. Most people don't. So if
you've got a large room and you get in the middle of it, excuse
me. Do you have some sleeping bags, maybe a few games for the
kids to play off to the side, covered pail to use as a toilet,
Put a plastic bag inside of it and a cover on it, and
you can changewo plastic bags if it gets bad enough. But you need to
have food for about four days. You need to have water for about four
days. If there are four people in the family, you need sixteen gallons
of water, one gallon per one day per one person. That's called the
rule of three. Staying in the center of your house, does this,
plugging the doors with blankets, making if you've got enough tape, do it,
but turn your HVAC system off. The air outside your house is going
to be contaminated if you keep that outside of the air inside your house.
What you have happened is the radiation will come through a window. You don't
have to have shielding like they say. It helps if you've got a basement
excidney. I mean you don't have to be in a lead lead shielded room
or concrete shielded room. It helps to be in that. But if you're
in the middle of your house. A physics principle comes in with nuclear weapons
comes into play called the inverse square rule, which means this, if you
have one thousand rankins that's deadly outside your house, it comes through one foot.
It diminishes every one foot twenty five percent. So instead of one thousand
rancings one foot within your inside your window, in your space, there's no
radiation that's come in there. It's just that the level coming through drops to
twenty five percent. A further foot that it goes, it drops to another
twenty five percent. So a thousand rankings is deadly. Two hundred and fifty
rankings over a period of time will kill you. It's also a time related
thing, but just the simplesty one foot inside one thousand drops to two fifty
another foot, it drops to sixty two and a half another foot, it
drops around sixteen another foot, which is total of four feet. If you're
within or further than four feet away from your your windows, in a center
of a room with no air movement from the outside, you're basically in the
about the same level as a radio as a X ray would give you.
Now you don't have to stay there for months like everybody thinks. You can
stay there probably two days. Here's what else comes into play. There's with
nuclear explosions, there's something called the seven to ten rule, which means this
every every I forgot one. This is also diminishing over distance, diminishing over
time. For every one hour, say you had fall out of a thousand
rankings, which is deadly. If you walk out and stay in an hour,
you're so irradiated that and irradiation is like invisible bullets going through your body,
literally causing the hemorrhage inside. But if that thousand rankings is out there
for one hour, after one hour drops to seven tenths of what it was,
and it continues to go down for every hour thereafter. So there's two
factors, time and distance. And if you stand in the middle of your
house and stay there for two or three days, the radiation level, there's
factors involved in this. I don't want to go into but the radiation level
will generally be safe maximum one week, I would say four days. I
don't know if any place in this country would get hit that bad, but
guarantee yourself one thing. Before there is an all out attack on the United
States of any kind, they'll set an EMP off, and that emp will
kill everything that's electronic. Our electrical system will go down, our water system
will go down. So if you're inside that house, at least four days
later, you most likely are going to be able to walk up with your
wife and kids and generally be safe. That's because the radiation is decaying and
the half life is there. And so and I had a good question as
we're thinking about that. You say, in general, four days, you
know, as kind of a rule of thumb, has the type of radiation
that the used. Is that change because different radioactive materials have a different half
life or is that still just you know, kind of a general rule of
thumb. We don't know exactly. I guess you know what kind of radiation
you're going to be exposed to, what kind of element radioactive elements, But
I guess you know four days at that point that decay is going to it's
going to be neutralized, right. Yeah. Look, people have to understand
one thing. This is not like Chernobyl. If you have a radiation leak,
it's like a it's like a container of gasoline getting tipped over. That's
a radiational leak. If you have a nuclear explosion, it's like that pale
exploding. If you're far away from the explosion, all you're going to have
is carbon and water from the explosion, most likely in the air. An
explosion and a radiation leak or two totally different things. Chernobyl. Yeah,
maybe twenty thousand years they can get back into that place. Because it was
a leak. The explosion basically consumes much of the energy from the interaction of
the YouTube thirty five to thirty eight exchange it it's eliminated in the explosion.
The point being that the stuff is going to drop all over outside your house,
but it's going to go away. That's really important. I think that's
what a lot of people don't really understand it because you do think about that,
you know, Chernovo, I remember they had the top Gear crew you
know, drove through there and they're looking at the radiation. That's still really
very strong there, and that's what people don't realize. It's not going to
be this persistent thing and an explosion like we see with Chernobyl. That's important,
I think. No. And if you go into the last area,
it's going to be high radioactive there the fireball. The fireball actually is probably
a mile to two miles. The fireball is the only area that radioactivity will
be fused into water mile because otherwise outside there it doesn't attach water molecules at
tax to impurities in the water model. But people confused Chernobyl with a nuclear
explosion, two totally different things, like spilling a count of gasolene versus it
exploding. Yeah. Yeah, when it explodes, you're gonna have a shrapnel
from the can and you're going to have a blast effect, but you're not
going to have any gasoline left. That is really important. And again,
you know, people need to you know, we need to try to do
what we can, but there really isn't much that we can do to influence
these politicians. They're influenced by the amount of money they're making. And we
just had another thing come out of another and this is John Solomon, who
really is careful about his research he says he just found another one hundred and
twenty million that the Biden's got out of Barisma. You know, there's just
so much there. It's just this cesspool. And so you know, we're
not really I don't think were going to be able to influence anything to do
this. So we've got prayers. That's you know, it isn't the last
thing that we do. It's the first thing we do to pray about this,
and that's really about the only way that we're going to influence the outcome
of this. But it's important to like I wanted to say, but I
tell people to listen to you. I listened to the radio coming home in
a radio station I listened to and it's a syndicated news and they were talking
all about the Georgia indictments against Trump. Followed Trump is a criminal, you
know, and now you're telling me about one hundred and twenty million dollars coming
out of you know, of corruption money. Yeah, I'd like to I'm
a tooth and eyes guy. I would like to propose that they take ten
billion of this money they're sending to the Ukraine or Israel and fix American's teeth
and give them vision Care. What happened to our great Obamacare system? I
was supposed to take care of all of that. I saw the prettiest lady
the other day and won't say we're but she was. She was in a
store and she was very conscious about the fact she had a tooth missing.
And I didn't say anything to her, but I know she can't get it
a fix because I know what that's toff costs dollars. That's right, fix
America's tea. Yeah, give them vision care. That's what we need to
do. I mean, we're given one hundred and sixty billion. Oh,
they're not going to do anything to help us. They're looking at how they
can shut down our food supply. I mean, you know, how do
we have any come up with an excuse so we can kill all the cattle?
I mean, it's just crazy what they're doing. I don't have to
talk to any of these Americans again. Listen to them. They are laser
focused on harming us. And that's both parties and that's everybody in Washington.
That's why I say, you know, our hope is in God, and
where we work needs to be at our local level. I think, and
certainly we all experienced that during twenty twenty. We know that it was either
better or worse depending on your local government. It is truly always interesting to
talk to you Jack, And again, folks, if you want to see
what he was just talking about, that chapter is available for free. You
can also see the chapter on how to make sure that You've got water that's
going to last. That's also available for free. Those are two of the
key things, especially in the world that we live in right now. But
that'll give you an idea of just how thorough his work is. In Civil
Defense Manual, Civil Defensemanual dot com. It is a great resource. I
had somebody contact me and said, yeah, I got this and it was
worth more than ten times what I paid for it. So I agree with
that. I've looked at this and everybody I've shown it to is just amazed
at how thorough and extensive it is. And it's great advice because it's not
just about physical stuff. It's also about relationships, and you're not going to
make this as a lone ranger. You need to have that community that's there.
Thank you so much for joining us, Jack, appreciate it. Thank
you, Thank you well. That said, folks for today's show, Thank
you for joining us, have a great weekend, and we'll talk to you
hopefully on Monday. Then T