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our best shows of twenty twenty three. But we will start off with Patreon
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And that's a okay. So Clay asked, because our Golden Geeks just prime
of overall twenty twenty three is coming up. But we no longer do this
category because we kind of I think the last two years of it, it
was just a very measly category as far as worst movie or worst picture,
whatever you want to call it, because I feel like it'd be like,
oh have you seen this? No, because all of a sudden it was
bad, so we would just like all have one we all saw and all
four other categories. Big Well, I saw this movie and it sucked,
you know, like it was definitely the one that was like the least love
given. So we kind of it's time in the sun. Yeah, exact
fresh the categories every once in a while. Yeah, I think it was
a good It was good to kind of give it the borer mere treatment,
you know, put in a boat, send it off, and then ten
years later is that it'll be like, where's my category? And I can
I pitch this live on air? Where do you guys feel about adding a
category horror movie? Best Horror Movie of the year. What do you think
we're getting in the subgenres? Now? Well, just one I want to
hear specifically, Why that one? That's what I want to hear. Well,
a couple of reasons. One I if you like, if you look
at all of our Golden Geeks nominees winners from the last few years, I
feel like we always tend to have like one horror movie in the best Film
category that seems to be like the limit though, and they never really win.
It's kind of just like in there so I think it'd be fun to
just have a more open discussion about that. And I feel like that would
be a very different thought for me in terms of like, Okay, what's
really good at being specifically a horror movie or you know, you'd put like
Slashers in there, could have have the category be slightly broader, not just
specifically like big horror stuff. But I also would just be so curious to
see where the patrons vote or where everyone else puts their vote in terms of
top movie. So yeah, I don't know, it's something that I think
it'd be fun to try. I think that's where I am. Where am
I muted? No, I think that's where I You're allowed. You're a
little your little gainey, little gainey over here, Travis's is going, what
do you guys think, Kirkland, Taylor, you want to go? Kirkland?
No, I want you to go. Oh. When I think in
the celebration of the Bloomhouse Atomic Monster merger, I think we should do it.
Let's make some let's do a horror category. It's also Blumhouse. By
the way, it's not bloom Househouse bloom. Yeah, it's spelled probably English
b l U M. It was bloom like blue, definitely bloom. I'll
get back to on that. I think that we should definitely do a horror
category. I think that there's there's definitely a special place for horror movies to
be discussed. And I haven't gotten around to seeing like talk to Me,
but there's a few other horror movies that I think that could be just really
like prominently discussed and fun conversation and it's something new. That's why I say
we try it. But I think if we have a struggle that am I
still really gaining that's all these thank you doan all these guys, all these
talk like, oh, it's the wrong of mind with these guys just fucking
cat calling me. I think we try it to keep you honest. I
think if we have a struggle getting to five, like we're talking about worst
movie, then we don't. We don't get the submit on it like we
do live on air. We say, Okay, we're gonna do five,
let's do it. But if we get like three or four and we're like,
oh, like because I haven't seen talk to Me. And if we
get to like, oh I haven't seen this and I haven't seen that,
that's why I say, what if we made it a top three, only
only three make it in? Okay, we did that one year for twenty
twenty, where there was like seven movies that came out, so where you
just had to make it harder for each category. We could do a top
three, or we could do we could do top three and then leave the
four spot to like a Patreon pick too, like they could vote on one
specifically for themselves, because maybe there's ones that they could put in there.
And then if we even haven't seen it, we can go and see it,
and you know, I think it would be something we've probably seen.
I don't think they're gonna be like, oh, the mean one is taking
the category. Well, I guess we have seen the mean one, but
I think three is Was that officially a twenty twenty three movie? I guess,
uh, yes and no, yeah, But I don't think we gotta
worry about it making a top especially a top three, you know, even
a top five down to give it a run. The only thing is gonna
be like the classic Nintendo Family game or indie game, where it's gonna win
like whatever. If one's in best picture, is that the automatic winner in
the whole yes, but I don't. I don't know. I'm trying to
think about a year we haven't had that happen, like the closest I don't
even know what the closest we Like, Hereditary in twenty seventeen was like the
closest time. But even that, like, I don't think that was ever
gonna really win. I think all of a sudden, least at one point
other than probably thought of the mean pink, the mean pick of voting for
Malignant, you know, like I thought, there, there's That's what I
mean. So Malignant is even a nominee, even if there's no chance it's
gonna win. The fact that it's in that best category makes it just feel
like the runaway. But that's where I feel like the vote from the patrons
would be really interesting to mix it up. Yeah, I'm down. Horror
is my second. It's my favorite genre with what is it? Superhero stuff?
Say musical, Yeah, I'm musically down for this. I feel like
it It would be a good time to like have a fun breakdown discussion on
like what makes a certain movie scary to each of us, because I feel
like there's certain horror movies that maybe Taylor, Travis will like praise maybe even
Dylan, and then I watch it doesn't really do too much for me or
vice versa. So I'm excited to there's a talk about it. This might
be like a pre spoiler. But I watched it's not called thanks Killing,
just called Thanksgiving, right, Thanksgiving? Yeah, that should be the sequel.
I was like, there's no world where I'm voting for this as best
film. But this is a fucking great horror movie in terms of what it
means to be a horror movie. And so it's like that would be It's
like the perfect time for a category like that. And then Taylor mentioned some
other good ones that came out this year, so well, I was gonna
say two t is probably Gon Trump put Saltburn in the horror category, you
know, but you know, Chris Baliga fells Saltburn interesting. I don't know,
man, if you're a rich person, it is you got this one
person comes in just keeps up at night. Yeah, it's the first cast
tailor like you're you're outnumbered. You have three salt Burners here, and you're
just like, oh no, I'm usually I'm always outnumbered. That's true.
Actually, yeah, says his worst movie of twenty three twenty twenty three is
the hit Galgatop film Harvestone. I've only seen ten minutes. That just feels
like a twenty twenty one movie that got away and urried last year. But
no, Dylan, you're kind of right. I was looking at it.
In twenty twenty one. For Best Pictures, we had Last Night and so
ho. So it's like our one, like horror one. Last year we
had Nope, but that's like it is horror, but like it's like sci
fi horror, like they don't like it is, but like that was only
one, and then in twenty twenty we did have Invisible Man, but soul
once, I don't think anything was gonna change there. And then in twenty
nineteen you could be right, it could be a runaway vote, but I
still think you're even making the category. I think is going to be a
fun exercise. So that yeah, and then yeah, once again you throw
the patrons in there and all the votes are up in the air obviously,
like I only it's like a horror horror one. But like the closest horror
we've probably had is when Joker won in twenty nineteen, like that's like the
closest we've got it. But that's still a comic book movie one, you
know. So I was even salty that we allowed that movie at all,
and now now it's allowed Joker. I don't know if salty is the right
word, but that definitely brought up some discussion. I was like, this
is not a comic book movie. This should not be eligible for what.
Yeah, but that was that was the time. Yeah, no, No,
that's when we broke the rules because we let Once upon time Hollywood in.
That's when we started opening it up. That was started the conversation that
year is when because I think Joker, yeah definitely got the got the convo
going, yeah, and now it's just an open open field, you know,
which is good, you know, because they're this year would have been
to be a little tough on just the geek side, you know. Yeah,
Yeah, Taylor, you're always positive. Let's bring you down? Is
it? What's the oh better not be what's what's what's your worst film?
Or just maybe you know the film that disappointed the most people listed in different
ways. But I don't say, yeah, if you do, us three
are gonna vote you out of geek first, Like entirely. I'm excited I
get to pull out my my list here, which I will say I beat
my record Last year. I did fifty three films in twenty twenty two.
This year twenty twenty three, I did fifty four films. So have you
finished Rebel Moon yet? Yep? I finished Trouble Moon and I ended.
My last movie of the year was that Nicholas Cage one called The Retirement Plan.
Was actually not too bad. I saw you lot that in twenty twenty
four, though, that's that's the questionable thing. Oh but I watched it
before that was on New Year's Eve. I snuck it in there. Oh
yeah, okay, twelve oh one, three time Speed Go. But my
least least least lowest movie. Wow, it's actually funny when I look at
it, because my bottom five movies of the year have three are three shark
movies at least in there. That's insane to me. Eight my least favorite
is called Blind Waters. This is on to B It was a free movie,
and I I just this was fucking horrible. It was. It was
absolutely horrible. But then after that Meg two is above that, and then
Black Demon is above that one, So so Meg two was bad. You
didn't like it? It is, it's not. I'd put the first one
over it any day of the week. The second one was just they're killing
people off screen that were alive in the first movie. Like, it's just
it's what was the Black Demon? That was the one. I can't remember
the actor's name, but his family. He gets stuck on an oil rig
and there's a giant, a megalodon. That's just like look of that opening.
I can't remember the actor's name, but his family. Oh great,
now that we've established we don't know the actor. Let me just think about
his family real quick. There, go, Donne. You should check this
out. There's already things killing movie. I believe it's about a killer turkey.
Yeah. No, I thought that was a big part of the marketing
to that one. Like that's in my mind, that's what the name of
that movie was. Maybe they're just the poster said or something. If you
want to review Killing Turkey, joined the producer. Peer producer came April Darkness.
We have a peer out on the water. You can go and stand
on the throat. We'll throw at the band April of Darkness. Jack.
Right, Oh, you're asking for I was you combine name Jack? That's
what I did, Jack ran, Yes, you can do that. Yeah.
In February, we'll be reviewing Twilight and because as busted our bloopers and
some stuff, we will be finally reviewing and watching the Teen Beach movie,
So look out for that in a couple of months. That will be are
retrospective. Yeah. So Mike's worst Moving Year is Cocaine Bear, just plain
funny. Yeah. I didn't like that one. I only got like twenty
minutes into it. It's hard for me to pick it as the worst because
I didn't finish, which leads me to my other one, which was probably
ghosted, but I only watched once again fifteen twenty minutes because it was so
bad. That was added armous Chris Evans movie. Uh yeah, no good.
And so it's either that for me or I'm just gonna say it and
man count Mania. I think drops there because at this point, like the
only thing I was really into in that movie was King and now that you
know, that's not as positive as it once was. So I feel like,
what what's left for me to enjoy about that? And I think it's
just, you know, maybe it has the highest disappointment factor instead of actually
being like physically the worst. But it's pretty freaking bad, so I'll go
with I'll go with ant Man my pick. It's funny. In a couple
of weeks, I'll be doing Marvel Alliance. We yearly do like Marvel Predictions
of Me. Chris Brent picked five and I was relistening to get some inspiration
on that cast. Chris is like, you know, the box office for
Amman projections are good, which they were at time of me. He's like,
and I think it's gonna be huge on Jonathan Major's back because everyone's such
a big fan. She's like, man, how much change in like less
than a year, you know, like where we were. We're like,
oh, a man's gonna just tracking and Major's is the future and in a
topical time about that later, but so ghosted our ant Man. Hey,
yeah, I think that's my my final. Also, you People was kind
of bad, but I wasn't. That wasn't that's like a disappointed one.
I think, Yeah, I'm with you, what about you? Kirk?
I had to pull up my letter box because Taylor made me curious. I
also watched more movies than last year by two last year, for twenty twenty
two, I did thirty films. They're very low numbers. This year thirty
two films. Look at that, I think I'm not like forty. I'm
like right in between. Okay, nice between you guys. I feel like
I just I'm like a little peasant compared to you. Got s Bubs and
Travis running out their their numbers in the discord. But even they couldn't.
Last year they had way more than this year. I think, No,
I only have thirteen less. That's like not too bad. I did one
hundred. That's Kirkland's total. Yeah, yeah, but yeah. My my
least favorite film by far is the movie Nefarious. I think I was telling
you guys I about that movie. It's just truly truly awful. It's it's
the whole the whole thing is like there's a demon that's possessing this person that's
in jail, and like this investigator guy comes in to just like interview him
essentially, and it's just like back and forth. Like I feel like it's
a good platform to have some really powerful actors just show off what they got
and this is like the complete opposite of what happened, Like it was just
so bland, and I couldn't believe that we didn't turn off the movie.
I was watching it with my dad and my grandpa. I was like waiting
for the malignant moment when like things just totally change and it becomes like an
action movie, and that did not happen at all. Three generations of Pats
or men watching the movie together. And this is the one. It was
weird too because the demon was like going off on like Wolke culture and just
like like just like not even being like a demon. It was just super
like cringey what I was watching. So highly unrecommend that movie. My next
one above that was The Outlaws, which I watched like just last week,
and man, that is truly bad. That's the Adam Adam Levine one.
Is that his name divine something like that with Pierce yeah, Peers. Yeah,
that's why we watched. And it's not good. Yeah, it's so
bad. I got excited when Peerce was in there, but yeah, it's
it's it's bad Outlaws The Outlaws, yeah, because it's about his in laws
playing with Peers and someone else. But they're like yeah, yeah, it's
like maybe if you find like Adam Devine, like really really funny. I
think you'll get it, but it's just not really my humor. And that
was like the whole movie on top of just a lot of blandness. So
that that was that, and then slightly above that, I had like Hypnotic,
that was a really bad Hypnock's bad show. That too is like his
second his two A. As far as being that it made me think of
it, I totally forgot what that movie was. That movie, Yeah,
you'd love Hypnotic, though, I think I'm gonna watch it. I thought
you were talking about this. It's like, no, no, not that
one. That show. Yeah, No, that's Adam Levine whatever his name
is. He's gonna He's this generations like Jack Black for me, but like
I take Jack Black every day of the week, like and I'm so I
don't Jack Black humor, but Adam just it just doesn't. I don't think
he's a bad guy. I just like it's just I cannot I don't find
him funny. It wasn't pitch perfect on and other stuff. So the only
last like on that movie was like this, there's a Shrek segment and I
was like, Okay, this is funny. You know, like this one
scene, but yeah the movie. Yeah, yeah, so I agree.
Yeah, I think I show this up before, so I don't go along.
My bottom is X miss but X like it's an X. It's Robbie
and mel. It's a movie that was shot here in Coloonna. It was
it's a Christmas movie. It's just gone all. But it's not in the
like me and Emma are always looking for the so bad it's so good,
and this was not. This is just like it's really bad. It just
feels like no one cared. Like that's the worst. Like these people got
a bunch of money, they went to Colonna for a vacation. They shot
a movie like it's one of those whe It just feels like all of Adam
Sandler's Netflix movies. That's what this felt like. Yeah, so that was
a Christmas one, so there was like a asterix. But I still had
to put last because it was brutal. And then my probably real last one
of strays. That movie is fucking awful Will Ferrell Dog one because I just
like, luckily when I'm at homework, there's those movies that I can put
on. I'm like, okay, it's out, I'll see what It's like,
I just didn't laugh a single at least without laws. It's like,
Okay, I had one scene and be like, oh that's kind of my
strays was nothing. It was just like me and a calmedy club in this
comedian is just just killing the whole room for two hours straight and not a
good like killing them with laughter. But yeah, no, just bombing.
I should say, yeah, bombing. Yeah, it was. Don't recommend
strays, which I think I Mike, I think you liked them. Sorry,
but I'm just not not Stray's fan, you know, not not for
me. So it's fair. That is fair? All right? What do
we tear you? Where you want to go? First? Do you want
to go to Echo? Do you want to go some TV? You want
to do the Marvel News? We have three topics and there Patreon questions sprinkled
throat. I'd love to start with Echo. Okay, Echo? It is
so, Echo is coming out next week. Our review schedule is gonna be
whenever we're done, we will review it. So it'll either be the Wednesday,
Thursday or Thursday fright, whenever will be, but it'll be within that
week. You'll be getting ask because it's only five episodes drops that Tuesday,
six pm PST, so we will be reviewing all five. So I was
going to ask us as a prediction question, but I'm just gonna lay it
all over to Dylan first because he has the experience and you tool one day
that both visit and off Hero and one of the more it's not Foggy,
but he is one of the more guys. Can't remember his name, Chris,
if you're still in the chat, please tell me or maybe s Bubbs,
but one of the more like writers guys in MCU confirmed that the Netflix
shows, at least Daredevil, are part of the Sacred timeline. So you
and me for years talked about hey iss ken, is this is not we
talk about what a she hall expire? Man? But seeming like now they're
going forward just saying yeah it's canon. Maybe because they just look at the
show. Okay, So that's what I asked. But I think the thing
is with this show, it sounds like there is connections. There's a new
teaser which we're not gonna review it, but there is a teaser. The
first thirty seconds it's all footage from Daredevil with Kingpin. So they're like they're
doing all. So it looks like I agree with you, but it looks
like they're trying to say, well, that's that's that's some good info.
I should have my tongue. Yeah. I didn't tell you that though,
so that was my bad. So what do you think about this? It's
like I was gonna ask in the prediction question, like oh, would they
connect? But seeming like they're kind of setting the stage for it. Looks
like they're just going with it. Yeah, this is cannon, and maybe
I don't think anything's gonna be mentioned, but still, you know, yeah,
I mean, honestly, at this point mcu, it's so messy and
there's been so much stuff and we kind of forget like Moonnight is in this
six one six. It's like, in what way is that meaningful? And
the answer is like not at all? So I feel like why not in
that? I mean, going back to Daredevil, I've never rewatched it,
but I do remember that there was like newspaper clippings of like the Battle of
New York and stuff. So obviously in those shows they referenced the movies a
little bit, very very minimally, but it never really happened back So it's
nice to kind of finally see them at the time of day here, and
I wonder just timing wise, because for years and years and years those shows
were still just hanging out on Netflix and now they're all on Disney Plus.
So I wonder if that's part of it too, in just terms of a
right thing where they never really bothered messing with it, because Netflix would have
probably got a chunk of the pie. But maybe now that's a different thing,
and maybe Netflix would get zero dollars if they can reference that stuff.
I don't know how all that works, but I have to assume it's something
along those lines. But yeah, I would say it's pretty exciting. I'm
curious what that will really mean if it's just like, Okay, we have
the origin for a variety of these characters, and that way it makes it
easier to just drop a Jessica Jones or Luke Cage or Punisher in these shows,
and we have this backstory where we have the origin or to establish and
then all that stuff, once again is on the same streaming service that you're
gonna watch Daredevil and Echo on, so you can just go watch those shows
if you want to fill in the gaps in that way. But yeah,
that's very exciting because it just makes it feel like, rather than that door
just being slightly a jar, for those characters to come into the MCU,
which is like is wide open and it's a lot easier. And at this
point, once again with MCU, it's so big, it's so expansive.
There's TV shows and movies and specials that it's, uh, the required reading
element of it is like impossible at this point. There's no way to be
like, oh yeah, just watch like this one thing and you'll be good
to go. It's like it's just such a mess that why not make it
even more of a mess and throw all these characters in there. So that's
pretty exciting for me. I don't I guess I'm gonna keep my expectations low
in terms of how much how meaningful it'll be. But you know, even
then, with like Echo being the first kind of R rated thing and those
Netflix shows being very R rated, yeah, it seems like maybe there'll be
some more connectivity to those than we've had in the past with MCU and being
kind of more light and fun and quippie and all that. Yeah, our
our years paid off, you know, all true. Yeah, there's a
lot of hard work. Man, some of those weekends just blasted through twelve
Hours or Jessica Jones and the season that wasn't so good three on Sunday morning,
you know, yeah, yeah, I think I'm the same as us.
I think it's just because they own them now, it's easier just to
be like, well it's ours now, where before it's like, god,
do we really want people? Like it's almost like they didn't want people going
to Netflix for sure. They want more, like we got a Disney Plus
coming. We want to be those shows. And at least that tells me
for the most part, because we'll see what happens. But like I always
make the joke where Venom came the MCU in his postcred scene in the next
movie, they kicked him out, right, This is like even with the
worst stuff of Netflix Marvel, which I don't think there's anything. I think
maybe I did fail Jessica Jones maybe one of those seasons, but like it's
nothing bad enough. I guess for Figgi and Team and be like, we
can't have that, like a part of that, and even then the connections
might just be just primarily for Kingpin Daredevil, right, Like I still don't
think we're gonna see Iron Fist. I do think we're gonna see Jessica Henwick
though. I think she's gonna come back now so specifically just because everyone loved
her Bigger Star Now two Yeah that too, like Knives Down. She has
that other road Trip movie come out. But I just think everyone with Iron
Fist in the people that hated that show, is like, but I really
like Colleen Wing, so I just feel like she's like a natural get her.
So yeah, I feel like and that thing. I feel like they'll
just be like, oh, yeah, we heard about you fighting the hand.
Yeah, it's connected to the show, but that could be anything that
doesn't if you give no context of oh, well this person had died,
you brought this person back. I'm not gonna say because Kirkle and Terror hopefully
gonna be reviewing it. Daredevil's season three is going into production or Daredevil Born
Again is going into production soon, so they're they're working on that. But
so no, I like that, at least, do you all the characters
back. I will be curious though, when we get to our first Luke
Cage iron Field, like, you know, does this mean because so far
we've gotten. It sounds like Kristin Ridgards coming back. We've gone and off,
we've gotten cocks, we've gone on berth All. So that's what it's
like, is everyone coming back. I'm curious gonna be what's the first if
there's gonna be a recast, you know, if it's gonna be like,
yeah, we don't really or if they just avoid those characters, right,
like yeah, we don't need iron Fits. We got Colleen, we got
sung She, We'll just leave Danny rand alone for a bit, you know,
right, Yeah, I guess like that that's how you want to look
at it, because it seems like, uh, I can't remember name Elektra
from the old movies. It seems like she's guaranteed to be in Deadpool at
this point. So it's like in some world, I guess you could consider
that a recast if there's like this new Electra even though it's an old Electra.
So but I don't know if she'd be sticking around or just there for
a fun came well. I think she's gonna be specifically the Jennifer Garter or
the Fox Universe Electra, right right, which I guess that's not six one
six but I mean into six one six, like who knows, we still
don't really know what dead people? Yeah? Yeah, how that's gonna work,
right, hearn Cox together. Sure, why not? Let's let's see
what happens. You know, maybe they get married just like her and Ben.
You know, a couple of kids. Why not? They were too
late? It's never too late. Yeah, and superd MIC. They still
haven't reference to ABC shows yet. So Agent, Well, it's weird because
they say, like you said, Agent Carter, but on Disney Plus,
Agent Carter is in the timeline and Jarvis from that show was in the MCUs.
I think Agent Carter's technically can and I think Agent steal Shield is Do
you I feel like I should I never have? If you watch it be
part of my ranking? I guess, yeah, it's weird, right?
Does that? Oh? Does that mean that the Netflix shows are now part
of the ranking after rank them? That's that's gonna be he I don't because
technically then the Spider Man movies are a part of them. I say,
my list is like Marvel Studios ranking. That's what I say. That's like
go buys Herkle and Tar and I haven't seen the shows any thoughts on this
fast, but I'd say it's nice to know, like a it's nice to
know like rules of engagement going forward and like where these shows kind of lie,
but like beyond that, like Dylan was bringing up, like there is
just so much convolution if that's the word going on right now at the MCU
of like trying to pin where exactly things are because pinking pin king exactly.
So like I guess now them saying that it's like, okay, we can
at least not necessarily expect but not be too surprise if something's from there the
Netflix Daredevil or any of the Netflix shows do pop up. And is this
getting more excited for your your watch of it? Because now you're like,
okay, at least I can't wait for our retro. Is that a retro
even if Taylor and I haven't seen it, Yeah, it's a retro.
It's gonna be five years old and you guys haven't seen it, right,
So same thing. It's like like I don't know if Dyl's gonna be on,
but I think for Joker will probably do retro because you Kirkle and here
we're not on the review, so I'm like, well maybe and I'll talk
about Joker again. So it's five years old. You know, that's our
rule. We don't retro anything more than five years last. It's like,
hey, you know, why not because that review is just me Dylan Breggs.
Everyone else is gone. They're like, right, And then we did
the review on Greg's show as well. We did right. I forgot that
was like our first appearance on Greg show. Yeah, wow, yeah,
Who's midnight hit? I was like, man, this is the year Taylor
and I are finally doing the the daredeviltual bullshit. They're gonna push it to
next year. They're not gonna do it until we get actual at least day
Daredevil and they're gonna just sink in the and those would you should start sooner
because it is like those are some long It's gonna be like it's gonna be
like you and Dylan do it like you have a start day on Sunday,
started Friday night. Oh yeah, put that harsh timeline on yourself. Taylor
less more excited. Oh I feel overwhelmed, to be honest. I mean
there's just because the retro I don't know you're gonna do it all now you've
already seen Iron Fist, right, so you're you. I've seen I've seen
all Iron Fist. I've seen season one of Jessica Jones, so I got
my foot in the door. I would love, at some point yet just
to go and polish off all of those other shows. But Daredell was the
main one. You didn't watch Defenders, No, I didn't. Yeah,
I feel like that would have been the one. You feel like I could
get into it because I didn't watch the other shows prior, so, like
I didn't like Luke Cage and again Daredevil, I didn't have a lot of
that baseline going in. You're not Frank Castle guy too, That's like another
one you could just start like, Oh, I like Punish Sirs. He
does have his own show, doesn't he two seasons? Yeah, they did
a lot over there. They did like eight seasons of Marble stuff, so
it's good to Yeah. So there there's that whole small little universe, that
street level universe that I definitely want to engage in and dive into. So
I'll just have to pick my time for when I do that. But my
priority is definitely Daredevil and immersing myself and and and that. I feel like
Hawkeye Hawk. I definitely brought me into the fold. It brought me into
this like the Kingpin setting. It brought me, okay, the street level
crime. And trust me, you that's not the key, like the key,
like you expect that he's not wearing the big hat and Uncle Jack.
He's in Daredevil. Yeah. I I do think though, the fact that
this has been canonized, like I'm seeing it, I ask, now,
I think that's that's cool. I always took it at at as that fact
back when they released the shows. I just assume like they did. So
Yeah, I think that's uh, that's good stuff. All right, let's
take our first ad break and then we'll get into some more predictions. So
we'll be right back. And we are back. So who else do we
expect to be in the show? Do you guys think there's gonna be any
more We know Daredevil's in there, we know Fisks in there. Do you
think there's gonna be any other MCU characters appearing debuting or you think that's gonna
be kind of it? I feel like this is one that personally, for
myself, I don't think I've heard a single rumor of a character outside of
Daredevil and Kingpin. Yeah, which they've shown us obviously, so we know
that's like a lot yeah, which yeah, yeah. So it's one of
those things where it's like, man, I'm sure that would have leaked if
someone is on set, you're there, I'm gonna go with Punisher. That's
my prediction. Oh fuck yeah, this is the time r rated. Yeah.
I feel like there's less bag if you just throw him in there and
he's doing something, he's talking, talking to Red or not, it could
just be his own I mean I was looking at IMDb and it looks like
Daredevil's in all of the episodes as well as Kingpin. So I'm guessing there
is that not accurate. I think Fisk might be. That's all have a
prediction. I don't think I doubt try time to be with that kind of
thing. No anyone can update that. You you could get a pro count
and go on to mess with me today. Prediction points. So the only
person that I really I think Frankcastle is a good one, even if there's
like I think there could be a lot of allusions to characters, like saying
symbols always hear this scuttle but you know that type of stuff. The only
character I think is possible, and then I really want because I'm fine.
It is only five episodes, so it's gonna be not as long as something
that said. I guess we usually dealing with six, but it's a little
less. I'm hoping for Turk Dylan. That's who I'm really hoping for if
they want to do And you guys will understand when you watch the daredel Netflix
and all those shows, he's long of the marvel. Yes, he is
this goon that would just always pop up in every show. I think Punisher
is the only one he didn't pop up in, but everyone he was always
this guy just getting into some bit. Yeah yeah, but he's not like
a terrible criminal like you're. He's like friendly enough. So I'm really hoping
for Turk because I think that would be a great another if peelers saying,
oh there's some connections to Netflix stuff right there, you see Turk like,
oh man, there we go, and I just would love I want that
joke again. I want Turk to be around all the time, especially if
Daredevil stays eighteen episodes. You gotta make k Kurt, not Kirk, not
from uh from fucking Dexter, Turk has to make his way in there.
So that's that's what I'm happening hoping for. So nice, there you go.
Do you guys have any character, Like first one that came to mind
would have been something like Hawkeye related, just because that is where he was.
But I don't know what Jeremy Renner like, not him, Yeah,
exactly, like that would have been the pick, especially just like the the
tie to her him, like well obviously when we had that episode, Okay,
I don't think Kate Bishop like, yeah, I guess that would be
like the follow up as plausible. Yeah, yeah, just because she's a
lot more capable to be uh, I don't know, be doing a lot
more action stuff, right know. And do they make an appearance, right
the guys trust a brow or whatever they could that could be her mom's in
jail, right, so probably won't. Yeah, probably not her. You
could though, I could see like some king Pin scene where he's on the
phone with her. I don't know what's her name, because I always remember
if it's Eileen or something I just watched that always remembers eleanor I never understood
I was close says yeah, I'll go with Kate Bishop. Then I don't
know, I just some Hawkeye character. That'd be great. She'd be fun.
Marvel's echo back to back appearance for her, just tailing back in the
MC in a big way, like my we want you to be in the
Young Avengers. She's like, I'm a thirty five year old woman. I'm
not going to join the Young Avengers. You know, get out of here.
I'm an Avenger. Get eleanor in there too. Yeah, we need
you. The girl in the chair, Yeah, girl in the chair.
What if a young Avengers just had it? Yeah, classic Pru Spidey,
this Marvel Kate Bishop in Turk. Yeah he got bit by a radioact of
jelly Bean or something. Delight. What about you to anybody expecting? A
part of me thought, well, what if she Hulk were to just kind
of like sneak on any I don't mature rated show just creeping around the corner.
Uh you know, are like, yeah, mature rated, but you
got you got one lawyer and sure enough with this one lawyer, another lawyer
might fallow suit saw that in her show, so it could be in this
show too. Yeah, you never know. It's a Daredevil for sure,
but maybe not Nicho. Yeah, I like that was gonna be my fault
up. How many episodes do we think Matt Murdoch slash Dared Devil will appear
in on IMDb? How many is it total right now? Is it five?
Oh? My gosh. Yeah, it's not long and they're not a
full hour, so wow, I'm gonna go to I think he's gonna be
in the first and the last. M I'm gonna say middle last, but
too as well, Middle Last, weird spread the middle. I'll do three
episodes, three episodes which you're spread? Which episodes? First? Middle,
and don't watch them watch him good Chaos, I'll go for I'll go for
three episodes as well, but I'm gonna go with three, four, five.
I think he's comes in there for the for the trilogy finale, and
do we think they're she dies whatever? Yeah, episodes? Do we think
it's all Daredevil all Matt? Well, we know it's there's a daredel but
do we think we see Matt Murdoch at any point? I feel like we
have to write it? Yeah? Yeah, good in those glasses a little
bit he does. Yeah, there you see Matt Murdoch. I think we
do. I'm just trying to picture like the context of what we would see
him in lawyer leaving she room. Yeah, I don't. I don't picture
this to be a lawyer drama at all. I don't know if we'll seem
in the courtroom. I think he's strike a romance with Echo maybe, Wow,
what if that was his thing? He just romances all these characters.
It is in the comic books. He is a huge Karen Page black widow.
There's a bunch of other people that like. He's like a big womanizer
in the comics. He has a long history of Alisuley Electra, just get
it on with ladies. So I can't keep them though, No he can't.
He can't. He's too fun, he's too fu Yeah. Yeah,
I was gonna ask this, but there's no one really to like. I
don't think there's that much interesting to ask. So I was gonna say a
combo of like where do we end off Slash who dies? Because I felt
the only people we care about who dies would be like Echo and Kingpin,
and I think we don't know what wait know that they're all in Daredevil anyway,
Yeah, right, Like there's no one. Unfortunately, it's kind of
like a series that way, where it's like, oh, well, they're
all going forward. So that's why I mean, like, where does this
kind of end? Like his echo a full on no hero? Is she
on the run? Is she maybe in prison? I don't know, Like
and where's what's Kingpin doing? But like what, like what are you guys
in envision from kind of the ending point of this, like where our characters
lead to I think they'll be leading or where she will be leading is somewhere
in a team setting. I don't know if it's gonna be like a set
of event, like you know, she's got her uniform, like she's putting
it on and it's all like super hype moment leading into echo will appear in
whatever it might be. I I just feel like it'll be a big heavy
hint as to some sort of collaboration and maybe that'll just be like you know,
if I if I do get my Kate Bishop appearance, maybe she's doing
like a similar thing that was going on in Oh my gosh, what even
was that scene when we had that oh my gosh, I'm blanking right now
on the end credit scene with Kate Bush. Thank you, Yes, there
you go, like something similar to that. But I don't know. I
think it'll be a team just like to give us some sort of heads up
of where she's gonna be next. I think this is gonna be a very
isolated show, and so obviously we know, yeah, those other well,
all those three main characters are gonna end up being in Daredevil in some way,
shape or form. But I honestly I don't think this show is gonna
have a huge impact on the greater world of the MCU, maybe just like
further world building on what's going on in New York, because even then,
like in Hawkeye, I feel like that stuff was very much just alluded to,
Like King Pinino was actually like barely in that show, yeah, and
we kind of have a very small understanding of what his role is. And
now obviously if we're bringing in all these Marvel Netflix shows and that bolsters the
lower quite a bit, but they want to establish that stuff in the MCU,
So I think I think that'll be more what it is is really just
more of a world building piece and then just a fun, r rated intense
adventure with I'm sure some good emotional stuff and getting more into the character of
Echo, even though we already have a pretty good understanding of who she is,
I would say, I guess. I guess also too, like she
had that one pal in Hawkeye and he died, right, that made a
guy who was like a translator, yeah clown. Yeah, So I'm trying,
like I guess, we don't really know of any other friends of her,
so maybe that will be a big thing, is setting up a couple
like her group her surrounding. I don't know if it's in the way of
like a big superhero team up in the way you mentioned Kirkland, but obviously
that'll be a part of the show, right, She's got to have some
some friends that she talks to. I hope not. Actually really it's a
solo because I just feel like we still don't know so much about her,
you know, Like that was always my complain about Echo of like I'm not
opposed to being a spinoff, but just like no one gets they didn't give
anyone a chance to fall in love with her and Hawkeye because I just feel
like they made her kind of a goon at times. And then when she
made the turn, I don't know, she shot Kingpin in the head and
then went off, you know, So I just that that's what I want,
I wanted. I feel like it ends with her kind of on the
run, where maybe there's a an obstacle that's put in her way that she
does. I think she's seeds. It's the classic wins the battle, not
the war. Kingpin's still gonna be at large. I think, like the
rooms have been there gonna do. He's gonna win may Or somehow, and
they're gonna do Devil's reigns. I feel they're gonna set up and I am
really hoping. I know, me and Dylan talked about weeks ago, like
these rumors of Spider Man featuring all these street heroes, Like I want that
to be true. So I feel like it'll be like a she's in the
wind just trying to take Kingpin down. But I hope there's like a journey
that she's gone on that I feel connect. That's all I want is I
just want to feel connected to Echo, so when this ends, I can
be excited for. But I'm with Dylan why I think this is gonna be
very much almost similar to like what Moonnight was, where technically like you could
take Moon and I out. It doesn't really affect the MCU at all right
now, right, It's like I still problems with like a giant crocodile or
whatever being in fighting in Egypt or something, but take like just ignore it.
No one knows, no end credit didn't tie to anybody, Like Echo
has more ties right now to the MCU than Moonnight. So I think it's
just gonna be a solo type of adventure. I'm sure she has some friends,
but I still want to be like Karen and Foggy where they take a
path of screen time. That's what I don't want, you know. I
don't need, like, you know, character a friend that she's known since
high school and she's like an investigator. I don't want that. And yeah,
I just feel like that's a good way to learn about her because what
I guess it could be like Kingpin doing some deep analysis on who she is.
But I don't Yeah, I don't know if I for I guess her
and Daredevil, like those two could really bond over I guess the challenges that
they have to overcome with just their disabilities, I suppose, So I guess
that could be a good way to dig more into this and of those characters.
Could you imagine if the first episode is just Kingpin like talking to his
goon and he's just like describing Echo and like giving the tire backstory. You
don't even like really see her except for like three flashbacks goes to the next
episode. Oh it could but you could literally have Kingpin Dumble Echo and then
the whole season is like how they got to that point, right, you
know, because like we also don't know the Echo Daredevil's stuff. If that's
present day, that could be. That's one of my theories of that fight
is because there's clips of that that I could be like a time where she
was working with Fisk and she bumped into Airnimal, So like like I wonder
how much they will talk and conversate, but they should because they got similar
experiences. Even just dealing with Fisk, right is like an enemy, so
big enemy, big friend. Jeremy Taylor. Any thoughts where we're going,
I mean the coming off of Hawkeye and seeing was Echo's character there. It's
it's hard for me to really kind of guess what's gonna happen for her because
I wish I rewatched Hawke. Actually it's a good holiday show, so I
just to kind of like refamiliarize myself with her. And what her kind of
em was at the end of that series and what she was going to be
kind of going off to do some soul searching and whatnot. I just find
it. It's to me, it's weird. I don't know fisks abilities.
I don't know his backstory all that well, so just to take a gunshot
to the head, of course it dmcu. So no one ever, no
one, no one has ever really gone. I guess people could just keep
coming back. So he's got no abilities. He's just he's supposed to be
regular. His ability is that he's that big and he's like ninety five percent
muscle. Yeah, what was the bullet? It was ninety I think in
that. Yeah, well he survived the gun shot and he's back. So
yeah, just I like what you said there, Trevis, because it possibly
is like some flashback stuff. Maybe like that would be interesting to see Echo
and dar Devil fighting in the past. But again, I'd love to see
like current stuff at play. But I understand stuff like that does serve to
add a lot more depth to our characters and their relationships and dynamics with each
other, So I see the value in that. But yeah, I really
don't know where they're going to go with this show, and with five episodes,
I'm curious to see where this does lead to and what their mo is
for these characters after the fact, if they're going to be continuing onto that
street level stuff, and what are their characters are going to come into the
fold when they start expanding on the street level stuff. Have they given up
on like the moo, the theater going experience the move, big large movies
like Okay, we're just doing Disney Plus. I think it's the reverse,
No more Avengers. I think they're gonna start giving up on the shows,
or at least get less of them. I think I think they'll really start
scaling back. So end credit do you guys? What do you have for
end credit? In mind? Hm? Cape Bishop talking you know, recruiting
Echo No, I could No, it's reverse again. Cape Bishop's going home
and Echoes sitting there like, I want to talk to you about a team
the Defenders, Like wouldn't that be they've how can they they should do that?
With Spierman. You know, we talked about Young Avengers. They should
have one character where each team is like trying to court them to be I
guess I could also be Kamala too, because she's a mute. Now,
I could see in the future we get young Avengers, Avengers and X Men
all trying to get Kamala. But they should do that with some character of
they're kind of caught in the middle of all these different teams, and I
think that would be a fun storyline. But yeah, how do you like,
I don't know. That just feels like you have to be split across
all these projects too. Might be hard to get that on screen, I
guess. Yeah. I think you could only do as like a one face
thing but kind of the same way as well as a special. That's what
they should do, a special where the different teams are trying to recruit this
one. Kaye, Yeah, sit down. I was thinking more like in
you know, in Civil War, like, okay, Ironman three, Pepper
and Tony they're getting married. Civil War they're broken up, Spider Men Homecoming,
they're back together and they annun they're gett married press conference, and then
in Findy War like she's pregnant. So that's why I kind of you could
do it that way where you just got to plan three to four films in
a row and make sure camals in all of them, and it's just like
a little bit I'm not saying like the main plot line, but they're really
strong at linking three to four projects together in this current they were they were
you know, I hope I'm rooted for again. Yeah, I'm hoping for
coming back. They had that writers strike, you know. It's my my
post credit is definitely going to be a Kingpin related thing where you know,
they beat them here, but then you didn't. He's in a dimly lit
room. He and he's the mayor of New York. Yeah, I'm with
you, Dylan. Where either it's Kingpin and it's a mayor teas or that's
the end of the show. My bold thing is no end credit, because
they've done it a few times now. We didn't get that. Actually,
just the hammer hitting. Yeah, we didn't give an end it's fist to
I mean he's working out, he's dropping the weights on the ground, that's
all you hear. We didn't get an end game. We didn't get one
in Secret Invasion. There was I think another one where I think we got
one, but it was kind of like a oh even like miss like the
Marvels. We did get one, but even one they like moved to the
end of the movie. So I'm gonna say, because it's Marvel Spotlight,
remember their first one, They're gonna really emphasize, Hey, you don't need
to worry about what's coming next. This is something you can enjoy by itself.
So that's what I'm saying, no end credit. Let's put a piggyback.
Let'st say no end credit either. I can't do that. Let's you
Kirk thema comes back. Anyone have any predictions you want to throw it before
Taylor chat GPTs it up. I think this is gonna be the second lowest
show, slightly above Yeah, were you gonna ask the viewership question? Oh,
this is the easy the lowest for me, so even lower than Miss
Marvel. I haven't slightly higher than It's tough because they're gonna do this ship
and I we're never gonna know because they did this with Percy Jackson where they
released the numbers but it was Disney Plus and Hulu combined and it was like
it's higher than Mandalorian, higher than Loki, but like, no, they
we never found what just the pure Disney Plus number was because Mandalorian and Loki
also did not have Hulu, so it's like that's kind of skewed. But
even without Hulu, I could see this being the HU relative to Disney Plus.
I don't know, because we don't have here. I think it's like
sizable, but I don't know. But I'm gonna say if we ever get
just the Disney Plus numbers, which they're getting, they're being more like even
Loki. I don't even think we got the premiere numbers. We just get
the disneynumbers. They're being more stingent on that. I think the numbers we
get are just us anyway. Usually. Yeah, So if we do get
numbers, I think it would be the lowest. I don't. I just
don't think anyone knows who Echo is. I'll go in between Miss Marvel and
Secret Invasion, which are the lowest, the two lowest shows, So I'll
say it's the second lowest, and I don't. I don't have the numbers
for Loki too in front of me, but I assume that I assume that
did better than Secret Invasion at the d it did. I think it did.
Okay, maybe this eventually did come up. Is that a Hulu one
too? Though? Um? I think it did less than Loki season two
though, or Local season one obviously. Well, yeah, that's hard to
beat at this point, it looks like which is surprising me. Still,
I really thought, you know, these numbers would climb, That's just how
it goes. But it's Yeah, because their first day one for Loki was
that was under a million as well. That was for day one. That's
a problem too, because sometimes they give us day one, sometimes they stay
first three days. So Disney touted as the second most watched thing of the
year behind Mandala Orian so who knows all relative stats? Yeah, yeah,
it's so hard to know, all right, Taylor hit us okay. So
title Echoes of Destiny, okay, good everybody. If you want to find
out where the start, go listen to the Blooper's episode. Very funny.
I caught a what is it? What's something? A pattern? Yeah,
for Spider Verse, Flash, Loki and something else. It was all blah
blah blah unleash. It was Spider Verse unleash, the Flash Multi Verse unleash.
So Ai likes to use to wear a leash a lot. So this
is this is what again? Sorry? Echo was this is Echoes of Destiny,
So this is new Okay, Destiny's got to be up there for the
GPT. Yeah generation, Yeah, I would think so. Okay. So
in the vast expanse of the Multiverse, Maya Lopez, the Indomitable Echo unveils
a sinister plot by a clandestine organization to apheave reality itself, teaming up with
Loki. Got a mischief already already after season two. He's back. They
hid it from us in the marketing. Yeah, he sure didn't send that
tree long fun now he's that he got bored. Multiverse is just a disaster
now and Saraphina storm now? Is that? Who is Storm? Not my
storm? Not my storm? A shadowy operative shrouded in mystery. Uh.
Echo embarks on an odyssey fraught with peril. The narrative takes a tragic turn
when Clint Barton, the revered Avenger Hawkeye, falls prey to insidious betrayal orchestrated
by Convergence, a multiversal puppet master. Grieving and thirsting for justice, Echo,
why are they going to Hawkah, He's just a homeless family. Why
is this multiverse threat coming to Clint Varden? Poor guy? Fuck? Grieving
and thirsting for justice? Echo, Loki and Seraphina set out to expose convergences
machinations across dimensions. Guided by the cosmic entity known as the Living Tribunal.
Echo learns of her destiny Living Tribunal, Big Marvel snapheard, Living Tribunal.
It's all good. Echo learns of her destiny intricately woven into the fabric of
the multiverse. Convergence revels in the chaos his ambitions, transcending the very boundaries
of reality. As the traverse the Multiverse, they encounter allies from alternate dimensions,
including Captain Carter, an alternate Reality Captain America, and Spider Man twenty
ninety nine futuristic Webslinger. Wow, we're getting We're getting Miguel's debut here.
That's the Echo. We are wondering when Spearman's next MCU appearance. I got
one more and Echo look at that. This show's gonna be definitely bigger than
Secret Invasion. Together, they confront Convergence and his colossal army and an epic
battle that defies the laws of space and time. Zero percent accurate. No,
just the first episode is gonna be what we saw about Fisk and then
the conversion. Yeah, and the sunning twist Hawkeye returns nice, not alone,
but with an army of Mutants and the notorious Doctor Doom at his side.
There's no way is the lowest show on Disney Plus Guy's New Avengers is
the Mutants and the notorious Doctor Doom. What's notorious for? Yes, surviving
his seemingly final moments, Archy, strategic brilliance, and leadership inspire the Multiversal
Allies, turning the tide to the conflict. He's really trying to prove that
he's not the weakest Avenger. He fakes his death to appear as he's the
most brilliant. Listen, Tony, I got the X Men together, I
got Doctor Doom. Who's Doctor Doom? Oh? Yeah, you didn't meet
him, but I don't like that name. Romantic tensions escalate between Echo and
Loki's gonna be Clint. I'm so worried, right, I don't really see
it, but no chemistry, while the mysterious Seraphina's role becomes even more enigmatic
the battle. As the battle crescendos, Echo faces a moral quandary, challenged
by the living tribunals revelations about justice, love, and destiny. The climactic
showdown reshapes not only Echo's world, but sends ripples across the multiverse. A
secret Avenger, long thought lost or just from the shadows, leading an army
of mutants and the imposing Doctor Doom. Their combined might adds an overwhelming force
to the beleaguered heroes. Convergences defeat marks a triumph. Triumph for the surviving
heroes, scarred but resolute, Echo, Loki, Serafina, and the Secret
Avenger. I guess they're implying. Hawkeye stand united, promising unresolved tensions,
lingering mysteries, and the ending and the enduring impact of the multiversal clash and
the expansive marble somatic universe. Nice double is the multiverse A So there you
go. There is a post credit scene just for you. You find folks
out there amidst the smoldering ruins of the multiversal battlefield. The camera pans to
a enigmatic figure observing the aftermath, cloaked in shadows. The silhouette steps forward,
revealing the unmistakable cowl of Doctor Doom. His cold, calculating eyes survey
the chaos. What to do? See? I can do it? A
voice survey and the pieces are in place, the multiverse showing its vulnerabilities.
It's time to seize control. Like we've know we know that you have a
sizeable soundboard, and you're like, you know what better than the soundbird?
Right now, I got some hands going a cappella right here. He doctor
yea go ahead. As Doctor Doom disappears in the shadows, the scene transitions
to a clandestine meeting in a dim room. Everything was clandestine and enigmatic in
this, uh this, I like that dude was in a shadowy era already,
but then now we're going to a dimly lit room at a sleek,
high tech table. Read Richard's of the Fantastic four Gambit and Echo Gambit.
I don't know why that's you don't mess with the uh I read. Richard
says, the multiverse is a fragile web, but we've just seen it unravel.
We need to be prepared for whatever comes next. I don't know what
you're talking about. On me, yeah, gambit smirking says I wanted to,
Actually I don't know if I could do it good. He just hits
on echo Right here, we're talking about the multiverse. Slim pars like,
oh on me, always a pleasure to dance. Catastrophe he made the French
there no no, no echo nodding. We've seen the stakes. We can't
afford to be caught off guard. The trio continues to discuss the implications of
the Multiversal clash. When Spider Man twenty ninety nine Miguel O'Hara swings into view.
Spider Man says, looks like I'm not the only one who decided to
stick around after the party. Read Richard's you weren't invited, dude, reader
Richard's smiling. The multiverse may be in flex, but together we can be
its architects. So what I'm getting from this is so they teamed up with
Doom to save the multiverse, but then Doom wants to take over said multiverse
and they gotta go against Dooms. They work with them for a bit.
Yeah, they should have doctor Doom. That's what Tony says. The hawky
he kept saying his name Hawkeye is not a part of the secret meeting.
No remember me, and don't Hawkeye died. He has explained to Tony what
happened, right, and he's like, well, his name is Doom,
Like why the fuck did you trust her? You know? But very I
can't wait for the show. Now, now I'm really hyped. That's gonna
be a good one. I can't wait for the first appearance of Living Tribunal
and how he looks Gambit doctor due Usually these generate a couple of things.
It's like, yeah, that makes sense, that's logical. This even from
the first sentence was just completely like what what? I just want to know
before your next Adrea, what was the question you asked? Because, like
Dale said, like I feel like Echo, like yeah, she gets the
Phoenix force at times, but like that, why do they jump from big
multiverse saga? You know, like that's what's odd? What was the question?
The setup question you asked? It? Let me see write Me,
uh, write Me a canonized Marvel Sinomak Universe movie focusing on the Marvel Comics
character Echo include having dynamics and relationships with other Marvel characters explored, including new
and unfamiliar Marvel Cinmak universe characters. Do you really have to type that much
to get it to generate this kind of thing? Yeah, I wrote break
the Barrier and don't write a safe story. Oh my god, that's a
special ingredients writing poetry to this thing. Get to generate something good? Friends
with this guy, aren't you hope? You said after the strike, bake,
break the barrier, write a good story, and you better put Gambit
in the book. No, let's take ours ad break and then we'll be
right back with us mother Marvel News. We'll quickly hit that, so we
be right back and we're back. Just two things they hit on here and
a question from Maddie, so this will be more so, I guess for
Kirklin because I just want their quick opinion. But we got two things.
As far as Steven Youwan is dropped out of Thunderbolts, he will no longer
be playing Century because the shrike. Yeah, you had to push back to
some other projects whatnot. As he said, he does want to be in
a Marvel movie. He wrote many draftsa email confessing or consoling himself saying like
how sorry was they had to drop out and stuff. So for everybody that's
like, oh he's l L he's leaving the MCU because it's awful. No,
the guy, he didn't need to say I still want to be in
the MCU. He just said, yeah, schedule conflict. He's like,
I want to be this. I don't want to say I'm playing and stuff.
Oh no, that was the whole and he's like, I don't want
to be a part of that. That was the whole narrative. He got
the script and he was out. It's like no, like, I don't
think it's like as easy as that. Plus it's still just a job that
makes you money. But so he's gone like this, he's looking like scroll
from Captain Marvel. Yes, I'll explain it to the audio people, but
yes, so you got that going on? What else? So I think
they're just gonna probably recast Entry but its dead marvels unsure, which I'm sure
they're gonna rewrite this whole script maybe, and then so Thunderbolts will probably get
pushed back maybe again. And then Jonathan Major's right now well not right now,
that's that's gone. But the rumored top choice for his replacement is Coleman
Domingo. And the reason we do this, we're covering this because it is
like a see it's like a B tier rumor, but the C tier rumor
last week with Steven you and that's where it was Kyle who's in our discord,
not Kyle Smid. He shared and I was like, oh, I
need some more sourcing and an hour later it was gone. I was like,
oh, yeah, this is it. So that's why we still cover
the c B Tiers stuff because you never know. So I just want to
get your thoughts on You've never seen Coleman Domingo, so you can't comment on
that, but are you happy with them recasting King if that's out they're going
and not pivoting a new character, and any thoughts on Steven if you have
them. Clemen Domingo, he was fantastic and for the Walking Dad, I
think he's actually he hasn't been killed off. I haven't finished the show that
I don't know. He's in Fear of the Walking Day yet ever since ninety
episodes. Yeah, he was there since the start. Wow. I loved
him in the show. It was fantastic, But I have not seen him
in anything else. Him playing Transformers, Rise of the Beasts was the Transforms
the Beaticron. Yeah, he voices Unicorn. That's fucking cool. He also
saw him Candy Man. He was the crazy guy that that's when none of
us knew him though. He was just the crazy guy in Candy Man.
But yeah, you guy right before he was before you for I think or
right, like right at the same time. Yeah, but who would I
want as Kang? Though, well that wasn't No, that wasn't it.
But that wasn't it. That's next. I just said, what do you
think about like do you like this pick four King? And are you happy
they're keeping King instead of like, let's do do let's do Galactus. You
know, I think that they need to keep King. I keep that keep
that you know they paid. I'm sure they paid the trademarks and everything and
the legalities. It's Kang Dynasty copyrighted, and I feel like, let's just
commit to it, don't back out, and you can swap actors around.
They've done it before. We've seen it with Roady and Ulk, so it's
it's a common theme and let's just keep the ball rolling because I'm I'm interested
in Kang, the character that's been created by the MCU. And yes,
well that actor did bring their perspective and their representation of this character to the
screen. That's fine, But that character is still separate from that actor character
character, is what you're saying. Yeah, and the characters can Again,
there's different versions of this character. We've seen very different Kangs represented throughout the
MCU so far. So I feel like if you get another Kang that's acting
very different, it jives because the Kangs have been very different. Most of
the people the GA probably has not seen the Council of the King cut scenes.
So if you were to just like, hey, here is the Council
of the Kings, and all of a sudden, it's this different actor playing
them, they'll probably like, okay, whatever, I think they I think
they'll be smart to never do a Council of Kings ever again. I will
show a room full of one actor and all those scenes. I also do
think, and this is what was kind of like started with low Ki,
is that when you start really heavily introducing more of this multiversal set up here
with different actors playing the same character, I think that'll help kind of groom
the GA to kind of expect like, Okay, this makes sense. It's
a different actor, but it's still the same character as well. Yeah,
actually that's a really good example. Actually, so uh yeah, I think
that let's let's just let's stick with Kang. Don't just back out and switch
to another villain. Save those villains for later down the road, because there's
still a lot more to explore with Kang and and everything, so exactly.
I agree with that. Spubs Me and Delan said this, the Council of
Kings was blown up by the quantum ants off screen. I think that's literally
what they're gonna do. I think that Council of King will be killed off
screen, just the same way as Andar, like Fanos destroyed a planet off
screen, a whole planet from Grinds Galaxy one. I think Council of Kane
will be like, oh yeah, they'll cole them Domingo while coming in and
ship. They're all weak man and I took him out like he'll do his
whole fucking bad. Oh, I can't wait. I'm starting to lose it.
But like they're kind of like, shit, U, you don't know
about the Gauntlet. I need like a fake cigarette because that's a Popeye,
a Popeye sig cigarette. Yeah, exactly what are you kirkling? What even
was your initial question? Just the thought and if you had anything, and
then Coleman, obviously you know we're big her for you fans. If you're
happy that choice was happy with Kang sticking around, you know, uh I
I guess I'll answer the Stephen Youn thing. First, I I really like
him as an actor, so I think it's a bummer that we're that we're
losing him, especially for Century. I don't know, just so such a
shallow knowledge pool when it comes to that character. So to see Stephen Yune
under that, I feel like that would have just been a great time.
But unfortunately we're not getting that at least now. You know, hopefully sometime
in the future he comes back once Marvel starts getting good. But no,
for the King stuff, I feel like I am glad that they they're keeping
it because it would just feel like, you know, in ten years or
something, if I'm going through my my Marvel binge when I get to this
section, it might just be like really strange if they just completely got rid
of Kang and like just just change their focus like elsewhere. Say what you
will about this phase. I feel like they've done at least somewhat of a
decent job of keeping it on that like trajectory of that it is like a
synchronized story. So if they just completely remove that character because of what happened
in the real world, that's just that would have been unfortunate and for the
actor Coleman Colman Hughes. That's his last name, Coleman Domingo. I don't
know why I use in my head going Tomingo. Yeah, he's fantastic.
I loved him in Euphoria. He was really great and Candy Man as well
for the short time that he was in there. So I think if it's
so tough though, because like personally, I feel like like you can pull
off the recasting an actor and like trying to find someone similar to what the
previous individual was. But like I just I don't know, I feel like
it it's just right now. It's it seems like it's gonna be a little
bit hard to pal it just that first viewing. But I mean I also
thought that going from Iron Man one to Iron Man two, and we got
over that pretty damn quickly moving forward though, So like personally, I wish
they had like a really good story reason and like I don't know, Kang
is like a female now, I feel like that would just be really interesting
moving forward if we did that, But I don't know, you know,
I'm not going to write it off until I see it by any means,
yeah, to both, but last week, but it's two weeks ago,
so we have our thoughts. What do you think about that choice? If
it's that is the choice. Yeah, it's it's tricky because I mean,
if they do go ahead with Kang. Yeah, we did talk about this
where I, yeah, I don't think they're gonna use any of those variants
that we've been introduced to. So it's like, I don't know, are
you trying to recast someone who can capture one of those characters like a victor
timely or he who remains Like, No, you don't really need to because
that's not the Kangs that we're gonna be dealing with in the future. So
like, really, you could do absolutely whatever you want with the recast and
it'll kind of work as long as it's someone who can be menacing and probably
someone who wants again, who can do multiple types of roles and whatnot.
So I think it's good casting. I've only seen him in up It,
but I think it's fantastic in there. I'm thinking about the Diner episode,
which's just like him, and I start to think of the reason is like
the easiest name to remember, but yeah, just like them just talking for
like an hour. He's he's obviously really great. He's got great emotional depth.
He can be menacing when he needs to. He you know, you
were joking there, like his voice is like really it's perfect for that kind
of like menacing role if he wants to do that kind of thing. So
yeah, I think he is a pretty great pick if they want to go
down like maybe a similar route that they had with Kang. But I also,
yeah, I'm open to them really going in any other direction. That's
why it's like hard for me. I was saying about this all day since
we got this question, like who would I recast? And I don't know,
Like I'm trying to think of you know, they're probably gonna want to
keep it with a black actor. It's like, I don't know. I
feel like everyone's been in the MC at this point, Like I don't know
who else to to pick. So it's it's it's tricky for me. I
don't know if I have a really good one for you unfortunately, So I'm
just gonna go with the off the wall pick here and stay I'm the Stone
is a new kind of Woh, I'm a stone taking that on after poor
things? Yes, I'm going Kang now. Yeah, No, Steve Yan,
that's sucks, but I think he will. He'll make his way back
to the if he wants it. Make him king, yeah two for one,
solve problems. He's too busy to do century but like you want to
do six movies, well, King, they don't need him for three or
four years, so he can come back. That's true. Yeah, counsel
Kings again, that's my new pick. Actually, I'm gonna go Steven.
You you can't. Yeah, No, I think he will make his way
back because that happens all the time to strike if that's the actual reason,
which I think it is. So it sucks, but I that will see
him again one day and then I kind of wish this rumor wasn't out there
until it was official, because now there's really no one else I want because
Majors was really powerful and a great actor like whatever you want to talk about
the other stuff, like just a performance wise like man, yeah, this
guy can definitely lead us to the next five ten years. The MCU be
in this great villm that's gone. But Coleman Domingo is like that's where it's
like that voice even that sets them differently, like right away, like okay,
he has a cadence and or about him that's completely different from majors and
something that's really powerf full. So I really hope they nabbed this. They
already asked him in an interview and he said, Oh, I'm ready to
play like a big Marvel DC villain, So I feel like I think it.
I don't know if it's gonna happen, because this is the guy that
did get the read Richard's thing right, So I don't know. I'm not
saying it's lock, but I feel like there's probably some conversations going on if
he's like, I'd love to do something like that and specifically, yeah,
said a villain. He mentioned villain specifically. Uh they I think the interviewer
asked him about the rumors and he just said Marvel d C villain, Okay,
specifically about the rumors. That's I think so because it was like the
day after, so I think they probably like, oh, even I think
the interviewer might have been like, i'd have to find the question like,
oh, we've got some rumors about you being like a Marvel villains, and
I think he just played it very carefully. He did say Marvel in d
C, so I think he knows like you want an yeah, exactly,
Yeah, so I really want that for other picks. I was with Kirkland
where if you're not gonna like, I think the female route was good,
and I still think you just should have went with whoever was playing God what's
that character's name ra? Yeah, Like I still think that was the route
to go. I really liked that theory. And she is a better actress
than I think the qualite like what they give for not saying it's bab I'm
just saying, like you look at fucking san Junapero, you know, like
she can she can bring it. So that's where it's like, yeah,
so I hope that happens. If not, I'm going with a guy who
I didn't know his name, but I loved him, So I'm here for
the Babylon hive, a jovon a depot. He is like a supporting character
in Babylon. He plays like the Trumpst and I liked him, and I
was like, I want to see him in Moore and I've not seen him
in anymore. I guess he's also an overlord Taylor, So there you go.
But h I want to see him in other stuff and I haven't.
But I feel like it has to be someone like Colman Domingo where people know
him but he's not a big star, so people throwing it like John Baga
or like a Denzel Like I'm like, no, like I just don't.
And boy always said he's not gonna do it, so like I just or
like Ray Fisher, like there's just some picture like this is. It's the
same way with people and they're like, oh, Henrique, no, no
clone Tyrone. I feel like Joan Boyega. Actually he's like cool pick I'm
kind of into that now. Yeah, but he says he's not doing it,
so he's he's out, So but what about he's an actor but yeah,
yeah, you know comes off Black Manta. Yeah, but he's he's
already in the MCU. But then too, it's like, yeah, I
don't want that right where he jumped from Black Man out the he's Wonder Man.
Remember if that happens, who knows. But he's gotta back out of
that project to take this out. He's gonna be fighting for Steve or fighting
with Steven youwan for this role, yeah exactly, And that's the same way
Wonder Steven. And then they bring in Robert Downey to do sentry. Wow.
And that that for me is where like when people are like, oh,
well, Steven O now fighting, go to Kevin or fighting, go
to Kevin fight, go to himself to do it. I'll do off Goblin.
He's having a green golblin in his house. He takes off that hat
and his whole time he's actually had like long blonde locks, like ponytailed up
and he's like like he looks like where he's just a fucking cyborg. Yeah,
you know, like when everyone's like, oh, should be Henry Cavill's
like that's it's the laziest. I hate that, Like let's get the Superman
actor to play the evil Superman. I don't want that. So like some
of the other ones like oh, let's just get a big, very popular
black actor like Coleman Domingo's like that to me is like the perfect route route
of like known but not known. So I think if it's not that,
it's gonna be another person where we're like, oh, yeah, we've seen
him or her and stuff like not no one would know Coleman Domingo if you
say it, but if you say, hey, he's uh fuck, what's
his character's name? And yeah four I can't remember, but if you like,
he's just he's a drug dealer. Ali, Yeah, it was like
always a from you before Ione's like, oh yeah that guy. So I
think it'd be someone similar to that or an up and comer. But I
think, like Dylan says, they got a few years, so same thing.
If they don't have to cast right away, this could fall apart and
then by next year there could be another actor that's risen up or growing up
the ranks and stuff, right, so you never know, so uh yeah,
I wasn't Uh did you have anybody who said with Will Smith your your
meme pick? That was a meme pick for sure. I think we're getting
meet Will Smith. But this is from patron ask questions. Thank you,
Maddie. I hope you enjoyed night Swim. I saw your review didn't look
like you did. That's okay. Yeah, it's it's tough to know who
to like. Sneak in there as a as a new Kang. Yeah,
I'm not sure. I mean, there's so many great actors, but I
don't know. Maybe would you do like uh Tiger Tiger Tiger Tayka as Kang,
that would be the mcuzo where everyone would just give up then so,
uh, I mean, we see Jamie Fox, but that's already been taken
because he's played the electros y. I don't know you got. What have
we got? Let's look at a list of actors. Here, we got
Eddie Murphy, Terry Crews, Terry Crews, fucking how he was Okay,
Rebel Moon, he was Guardians of the Galaxy. Yeah, fuck, they
couldn't say that name. So I saved him, No, you saved me.
John Hunting would be a good pick, but yeah, he is already.
Just get the actor who did High Evolutionary and say that was actually king
of lots of people want that to happen, and just get him. Yeah,
it just makes sense just to do Terrence Howard. I'm back baby,
that's fine line this time baby, And then he's just kidding. Yeah,
I'd be down, honestly, Where is iron Man? Where's Robert Downey?
J Okay, let's take our last ad break and then we're gonna rank some
TV shows. So we'll be right back and we're back. So we're gonna
rank our top five TV shows of twenty twenty three. We did this last
year. Then at the same time summer, hansy ass, what has been
your favorite TV performance this year? So give us your rankings and then also
hit us with your favorite performance. So, mister Muss, I'm gonna leave.
I gonna throw the red carpet out for you to go first, throw
the red carpet. Okay, so for best performance, I'm gonna save it
until later in my list. Actually, let's go with a couple honorable mentions
here. So did you guys even know that there was a new season of
Futurama this year? I did because you told me it wasn't bad. There
was a couple elements of it that I didn't love, but I love that
show, but it's not one i've really rewatched. I feel like it was
a very much time capsule sort of show for me, but it definitely is
a soft spot in my heart. The new season was was pretty decent,
so it's an aorable mention for me. Another one that I mentioned here at
some point was Jury Duty, which is just such a good show. I
think it's on Amazon, and yeah, I guess the concept of it is
that there's this whole fake jury that's going on, this whole fake court case.
Although everyone in this whole show, always an actor except for one guy
who thinks it's like this real case and that goes on for like weeks,
like must do some mental damage to this guy. But you have to watch
the show. It's so funny, so good week tw week just so over
the top, really really good. And you got James Mars and John Marson
what's his name cyclic, Yeah he's in there too, which is which is
fun. So that honorable interre for me, and then now we're in my
top five. Number five for me, I have a very eclectic list here
this year. It's gonna be a fun one here. Number five for me
is a show called Pressure Cooker, which I think came out in like January
or maybe February. And this is like a reality cooking show. It's essentially
Survivor mixed with a cooking show, and it's just so fun. It's like
the characters, there's a surprising, like some crazy stuff that goes on the
drama of it. I also just love cooking shows, and it's a good
cooking show, really really fun. As a fan of those two genres.
Is a good, good matchup. So that remember five, Coffin, you're
number four. This was tricky. I'm gonna give it to the Curse,
which is still ongoing. There's still two more episodes to go, so it
could go higher on my list when it's all said and done, but I
figured out it's probably a good time to rank it now because most of the
show came out in twenty twenty three. What's up traps? Did you see?
Because I just had a no vacation from someone that sent me and it's
about the Curse. Everyone was speculating all day. I'm excited to watch this.
Uh. Christopher Nolan hosted a panel with Nathan Fielder and Benny Safty today
talking about the post. But the whole time everyone thought it was not going
to be Christopher Nolan. Like they thought it was going to be like a
guy like Nathan for you, like he was gonna be guy named Christopher Nolan,
be different. But it was Christopher Nolan's I'm saying when he was interviewing
them, We're like there was an interviewer. Oh no, he was hosting
as a QA moderated by Christopher Nolan. It's I just watched a half an
hour interview with like, uh, Nathan, Benny and Emma Stone and that
was, Yeah, I haven't watched it one yet, but yeah, so
it's out there, so I'm excited. I got a watch on the web.
Yeah, that's number four for me. I'm really enjoying it. It's
a weird show though. I feel like there isn't a ton of highs in
it, but there's also no lows. It's just like consistently fun and interesting.
The cinematography in that show is like amazing, like some of the best
cinematographer I've ever seen, honestly, so freaking good in that Like every shot
is like obscured in some way or like shot like through a window or like
through a reflection or something, which is like very important for the context of
what the story of the show is. I love Nathan Fielder's anything he does
is just my favorite. Emicstone is amazing in it, and that's why I'm
giving my Performance of the Year two is Emmstone, you know, honorable mention
to Nathan Fielder, because I just love that guy. He's so funny.
But Emmistone, like just the amount of acting she has to do in that
show. There's so many layers of acting where she's you know, she's a
character in the show and then in this show, she's like playing up like
these different versions of herself for the camera and then to just different people.
How she portrays herself just so many layers. She's so freaking good. So
yeah, I'm really enjoying that show. Number three, this is the last
of us for me. I don't think much needs to be said there.
We reviewed that show, we talked about a lot. It's just very solid.
Number two for me Survivor season forty four, not the one that just
ended. This is the season that is in the first half of the year.
It was a really great season with a very fun cast, an amazing
winner, a lot of good strategy and whatnot. Really really enjoyed it.
And the number one for me is season three of how To with John Wilson,
which is a have you guys any of you guys checked this out yet,
No, Travis. This is produced by Nathan Fielders, so it's in
that realm Okay, So it's next up. Now that you finished Nathan for
you, at some point you're gonna watch the rehearsal after or before that,
you gotta watch how To, which almost I don't even know how to describe
this show. Everyone, you go check it out on HBO, Crave wherever,
whatever country you're in. I don't even know how to describe it.
You just got to watch. It's so weird and fun and interesting, but
also gets really deep at some points it's weird and disgusting other points. I
don't even know what to say about it, but it's It's definitely my number
one show, and i've because the third season came out I think in the
summer, and just throughout this whole year or two just rewatching episodes from the
first two seasons over and over. It's one of those shows where very fun
on a rewatch too, So yeah, easy number one for me. It's
the list now current pats are nice, all right. Going through my list,
I realized I feel like I didn't really watch as many shows as maybe
I thought I did when I don't know, hitting into the list, but
without further ado, I might as well start. So at the bottom of
my list, I have I have Mando season three and yeah, I don't
know, it's just shows kind of going a little bit downhill for me.
I feel like there were still some hype moments in it, for sure,
but it definitely didn't be the expectations that maybe I had going into it.
After that I had the last season of Sex Education. It was actually,
yeah, I did like the season overall, mostly because of how it ended,
but like the overall journey I thought was just like a step down in
comparison to other seasons. What's up? So do you say last season is
in like the most previous season or is it the finale? It's the Yeah,
it's the last one. They ended the show, and I don't know.
I thought it was a really nice end to it, but yeah,
I was really looking forward to certain character dynamics that they just unfortunately didn't really
dive into. But yeah, so I had that there May isn't in that
season, right, what's her name she's in it? Yeah? May,
she's like abroad, so yeah, different continent than the rest of the characters,
unfortunate. And then after that gotta mention it, Oh yeah, you
sees. I kind of forgot that that came out this year too? Or
has it not come out this year? You season? It just seemed the
fact you're mentioning it, it's fucking crazy. Thought it was a bad season,
and that's what I thought it was. I thought it was still had
some some some good moments in it for sure. What was like, Yeah,
this show is all right, I watched this year, Travis, Okay,
I don't I think for the first time you're gonna have a heart take
than Taylor you season four even above mand Oh my god, Oh yeah,
absolutely, I guess. I guess I should have put Secret of Evasion on
there too, so that that one wasn't even worth the mention. This is
literally all the shows that I watched this year though, So okay, I
had that I think you should leave season three. I think it is that
is like the sketch comedy show that comes out on Netflix by Tim Robinson.
It's a very specific set of humor. So I feel like you either love
it or hate it, and I absolutely love it. I never want them
to stop making that. After that, I have Loki, and then after
that I have ted Lasso, another one where I didn't love the the the
whole season overall, but I really liked how it ended. It was really
really, really really touching. So yeah, what's wrong tracks? You haven't
even seen that show, so I only heard your negativity on that show to
this point. So that's where I was surprised that there you go there,
so that's your final five, right, and then Last of Us is my
number one? Thank you? Okay, that's what did you say? Said
more than five? That's why it's like definitely more than Okay? Was it
supposed to be top five? Because I definitely missed that. Okay, that's
okay there. That's where the numbers were throwing me off. That's where it's
like we're like negative three shows right now, like you Season four me over
the Last of Us? Like what's he drinking over? Like? What what
sponsorship is he trying to get over here? Oh? Yeah, yeah,
I guess it's gonna be I think that's gonna be out next year. Next
year is gonna be high. We got that House of Dragon, the Boys
is back, Lord of the Rings is gonna be back. Me and Terror
excited for that. I know you two maybe not that much, but you
know Lord of the Rings back. Are you at Rings of Power? Yeah?
You two were like I feel you in the finale. You both like,
yeah, I'm pretty disappointed with this show, like you know, like
a seven or something that's pretty great, but I'm still I I will be
there day one though, for an get ready get ready for that? Yeah,
So I'll give honorable mentions. I'm like kirking, though I didn't watch
much all the shows that are people talk about, like The Bear and Succession
or all my list. The problem is it's a lot of well me and
Emily want to watch together and as parents of three, that's rarely happening right
now, so I think soon we might just split off as far as the
show. It's not like watch all the show No, I think it might
be a way where it might work better where you watch them on your time,
watching my time, and we'll meet back up and stuff. Because it's
just it's too hard with shows. But though so there's a lot I have
to catch up on them, pills of you I watched this like White Lows.
It's just like, okay, I will eventually, but yeah, so
like the shows that I haven't seen, uh is quite granted even last year
if we've reviewed a lot more shows for the podcast, and even the shows
like last year was like like you four yeah Dexter, like there was so
much this year it wasn't too much. Like I put in the awable mentions
of shows that from yesteryear that I finally saw. So we talked about the
newscast a couple weeks ago. I won't mention it too much, but yes,
Nathan, for you, I finally listened it down because you've been talking
about since like the Custs, since his basement days, and I'm always like,
yeah, kind of get too, but I didn't know how much.
Like I said, it was like the Ali g Show, and I love
that type of humor. So that's why the other show you recommend me on
there, I absolutely love. I blew through that in a week. I
watched all four season and eighth year. It was just like or three whatever
it is. Oh man, it was just fantastic right my eye. And
the other one is Flea Bag. I fucking love that show. That's a
top five show of all time. It's always been on my list. It's
Jones. Yeah, if you be all Aridges. She wrote the two seasons
she wrote start directed. I think some but like it is, it's only
six episodes. They're all like twenty two thirty minutes you could watch in a
weekend. But man, that show, like I wish i'd watch it earlier
because that was like Travis. That was when I talk about twenty twelve,
Travis, like, fuck, that's me and woman form right there, like
just all these mistakes, all these things happening, you being your saying,
like there's so much. It was just like a breathtaking show. I wish
I had it sooner, but it has a great resolution. So I love
that show. So that was some honorable mentions of old shows. But yeah,
there wasn't too much like what do I have in whereas the Fifth Law?
Like the Fifth Law I put like invincible, but like it was fine
because it's like half a season. I felt like the first half was like
good, the back half got really good, but then there was another break,
but the back half was really good. They're doing some great stuff with
Omni Man, so Kirkling, you got to catch up here before you get
spoiled. There's some there's some good stuff there. So yeah, when's that
second one coming out with the second partner ainh. The rumor is February March,
so you got some time, but I just don't want to get spoiled
on STUF. Yeah, I better jump in. So it's only four episodes,
so gen V was next. Gen V ended up. There was like
the beginning it was good and there was some rocky stuff, but it ended
up having a really nice turn. I love all of the boys stuff.
They did really great kind of one two punch as far as the penult in
the finale, some new CA characters there, so that was really good.
Uh. And then at number three I got the curse. Same thing with
Dylan where if it ends, it could go higher or lower. I'm somebody
that's definitely and I haven't seen the latest episode, but I'm definitely enjoying the
back half more. I think the pacing is a bit better. I feel
like the first few episodes like was maybe too long for me, but it's
been really good. And my performance is the flipboard. Is Nathan filler because
like I know, amaztone was great, but when I watched because Nathan,
I had no context for him. When I started the Curse, I hadn't
seen Nathan for you, and then I watched in the middle. So for
me to see Nathan for you like there, of course he's acting that show
at times, but for him to have like the layers and like how deep
being going this show dramatically, that's what surprised me because not everyone can do
that, Like that's why compared to Slash Barak Cole, because he's another one
that can do that, but lots of skit actors they try to make that
jump and it just doesn't. You just see it's just not working. But
it's like flawless with him, and he's really impressed me, and I'm really
excited, you know, you know, I think this guy's gonna pop up
in a fucking Nolan movie. I'm telling you now, like just with all
we can actions that have been happening, and I would love to see It's
like, I think you're soon gonna see Nathan Fielder and something like just flat
out serious, real soon, not even produced by him, like some director,
the same way Safty ended up in an old one, right, So
I feel like it's gonna happen. And then my number one or number two
show is Star Wars Visions. That show is fucking phenomenal this year. I
love that there's some of the best Star Wars content in that. I love
the different variety of Hey, each episode's a different studio, different animation,
it's in anthology, and yeah there was like three or four episodes, but
maybe just three, but there's a couple. I was like, this is
like top tier, top ten story Star Wars. I really think Dylan you
should give that that show a chance, because it's not like when you say
you're not in the Star Wars like it's so like not. It's just like
taking the concept and like let's do an anime or samurai tablet with Star Wars.
You don't have to know who Chewbacca is or the dark Side. Like,
it's just like there's some really there's some that are gonna be okay,
they're mid but if you ever ever get a Star Wars itch again, you
should try that show because that one has like I just feel like there you
can jump into it. Kirkla, would you revie animation too? Like the
animation style? Yeah, there's so many differences. Kirklan, did you forget
about visions? I totally forgot about visions? Yeah, it would top five.
I would swap you out for that. Maybe that's good, good,
good. No, it's easy to jump on. There's just some stories that
are like they're twenty minutes and there's like really I can't remember, Like the
people that make the Walsle Grammeut movies make an episode and it's like this really
cute mother daughter a movie about pod racing. You know, it's like,
oh, this is like really heartwarming stuff. So and then number one is
last of us, not a big surprise. I love the show, love
the game. I thought they did a great adaptation. I was happy with
it. Uh, casting wise is great, Like I guess like that was
the other person I thought was Bell Ramsey as my top performance as well as
Ellie. I thought she was really good, so that I went back and
forth. But just Nathan surprised me a bit more. So, Yeah,
Field, sorry because I feel like the same thing happened last year, or
maybe you just aren't hot on this, but Barry season four not in your
list again? Oh yeah, I would that happened last year. I did.
I kind of forgot I would take out gen V, I would take
out a vincible. This happened number five. I put it number four.
Actually I was with other people that I didn't love exactly how closed out.
I still thought it was great, but it just I did feel like some
other people that it got a little rushed. And they even said that that
they took two seasons and put them in a one, and I feel like
that hurt it overall. It was but they're still great acting, So how
did they do that? I think Hater was just ready to just ready to
close it out, just close it or maybe he thought there wasn't enough for
both seasons, maybe when he was writing it. So yeah, I mean
because I I think I watched whole maybe I had started that show last year.
It's hard to remember all the time of this, but man, I
wasn't even disappointment season four. I just felt like I felt nothing through the
entire thing. And then it was over and I was like, well,
I guess that was that show. There's two bad because those first three seasons
are so freaking good. Yeah, so yeah, that was that was a
big disappointment for me. Thank you for reminder, but yeah, I'll put
it. I'll put it four. But yeah, there was a little little
surprise like that happened two years in a row. You forget, forget about
Bury. I think it's that's why I know there's there's some TV apps,
but I need like a letter box for TV. Yeah, so because it's
just too much stuff. So that's funny. Well, yeah, it was
tricky to kind of go through and think about the shows that I've I've gotten
through. Definitely a slower year for me, and when I realized in retrospect
it just came down to me and Madison rewatching old shows, just like binging
hard. We did a whole rewatch of the Office. Did we watch a
Seinfeld? Just those easy shows just to put on while you're just doing medial
tasks around the house. But the stuff that I did complete, we'll come
after I say these honorable mentions that I didn't Twisted Metal. Still working through
Twisted Metal, and now the second season's announced. I mean I got to
finish that, uh Kitchen Nightmares that came back this past year, So I'm
still working through that. That's an amazing resurgence. And then Monarch, I'm
still plowing through that, plowing through it. Yeah, Monster, can't episode?
Are you on Twisted Metal? I think I'm on. I think I
did three four of how many eight? I don't even know how many there
are? Is there five? I don't know. Don't trust me. I'm
just going from going off that, but it shows that I have completed Mendalorian
Season three is my number five. I have gen V is my number four.
Gen V was just an next excellent little surprise, totally caught me off
guard. I thought it would be Last of Us is my number three?
Where they really really liked Last of Us. My number two is Jack Ryan.
This is also my best performance John Krasinski because I am leading up to
or not leading up to. Sorry, after baby came along, I was
at home and it's just staying up late nights and stuff. So I was
just binging Hord Jack Ryan and got through season three and then they watched The
Office too, so you're like, oh yeah, so then Jack Jack Ryand
season four was rolling out in the next couple of weeks after that, so
it's just easy just to get right into it. And I it's just he
plays such a good Jack Ryander. That show is just fantastic. I really
really recommend it. Then my number one is Ahsoka. Obviously, they just
did so many awesome things that just hit my nostalgia bone hard, and I
was just I was all up on that show. It was great. So
that's my number one for obvious reasons. Sorry, I zoned out. What
was your number one? Visions Star Wars Ahsoka? Okay, you wouldn't even
have visions on yours. I honestly do not remember enough of it. I
need to go back and rewatch it. The only episode I remember is the
girl who was like hiding out from the Scyth. She was hiding out from
a Syth. No, remember she was hiding she Remember. I thought it
was a Jedi and you it's like, it's clearly a Sith. No,
that's a Jedi. It was a friend, like I bought it and then
we looked into It's like, no, it was the I would have fell
for that trap then. Oh yeah, he didn't remember. Mike was asking
you, didn't you ship. I'm halfway through Beef. I haven't finished it.
Dylan said it, okay, So I gotta reachange my list now.
I would. That's why I didn't hear your number one, Taylor, because
I was like, I was looking at beef, like beef good, it's
fucking good. I would put beef that would bump Star Wars Visions down.
Beef. Give us a new list. What's your top five? Real quick?
My top five right here? You got gen V The Curse, Star
Wars Visions, Beef, and Last of Us Beef. And I'm sure there's
probably some other fucking joy for Perry. Oh yeah, gone, Berry,
the Curse, Star Wars Visions, Beef and Last of Us. So I'm
gonna do a better job when I'm that was kind of you guys saw that
right? Oh yeah, the metaverse wars thumbs up and came up. It's
just like the thing, guys, I've been magic this whole time. No,
this is new on Yeah, this is new on this it freezes,
yeah, only I have the power here again. No, I don't know
who it does because as a marble line. Yeah, background an egg plant?
Yeah, do one of these? Yeah, so b for sure.
Yeah, I'm terrible. I will do a better job. I'll start logging
the shows of my at least my notes and then because I had a good
one and the app which is always crashed, and I try to use them
like I'm fucking giving up. I'm done, you know. So yeah,
all right there. You know that's the first newscast of twenty four. I
didn't even think about that. That's our first episode of two. Wait,
Taylor, did you pick your your best performance here? Oh? I did
not? You did? I would do Pedro, I guess for my my
number one? That's good classic, yeah good? Pick Larean and least i'd
pick what's his name? Carol Weathers is a beef brief cargo for man.
Oh yeah, none, my favorite man Lauren. Anyways, get him his
king. What about that? The cancel of Grief Cargoes? Can you imagine?
I can't wait. There are going to Joe and let us know in
the discord, Facebook, to our YouTube what other TV shows we might have
forgot that we didn't talk about or we watch. At some point. I
may well do a revise less in a couple of weeks, but that is
our top twenty twenty three. Yeah, thank you very much for Tunian.
We'll be back next week. Bye bye bye