WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.400 --> 00:00:04.200 We hit it. We're there. Were here, nothing music, and we're 2 00:00:04.200 --> 00:00:08.919 gonna go. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, and for all my 3 00:00:08.960 --> 00:00:14.039 friends in the cheap seats in the back, welcome to This is Sparta ms 4 00:00:14.199 --> 00:00:24.879 U. I am Ju Calcrik alongside Otis Wiley and Big stray Jason Strayhorn. 5 00:00:27.359 --> 00:00:32.399 Welcome to the show. It is Thursday, June fifteenth. We appreciate you 6 00:00:32.439 --> 00:00:38.520 guys joining in. Be sure to hit the like and subscribe button below if 7 00:00:38.560 --> 00:00:41.600 this is your first time listening. The live chat is where all the action's 8 00:00:41.640 --> 00:00:45.679 at. It's a family affair. Jump in the live chat. Make sure 9 00:00:45.880 --> 00:00:51.240 you hit that like button. Drop your pancakes, fellas, what's happening, 10 00:00:52.320 --> 00:00:59.799 what's happening? What's happening? Man? Hey, man? And I appreciate 11 00:00:59.840 --> 00:01:03.240 that. That looks good. That was good with about thirty seconds. Notice 12 00:01:03.280 --> 00:01:04.120 you know what I mean. But we gotta do what we can do, 13 00:01:04.640 --> 00:01:10.000 uh with the cards that were dealt. I'm coming right now back from Columbus, 14 00:01:10.079 --> 00:01:14.480 Ohio. Had a camp little situation down there with Kayden who was on 15 00:01:14.519 --> 00:01:18.799 the show last week or two days ago, and Cody, who are rolling 16 00:01:18.840 --> 00:01:21.959 back with me right now. But hey, nothing stops this show. Guys, 17 00:01:22.040 --> 00:01:26.239 I'm glad to be here otis how about you? Oh man, it's 18 00:01:26.280 --> 00:01:30.079 Thursday, you know it's one more day, one more day into the good 19 00:01:30.159 --> 00:01:34.200 Friday. Man, But uh been good, been good. You know, 20 00:01:34.400 --> 00:01:37.879 just kind of getting ready to uh for the weekend, which ain't no plans, 21 00:01:37.920 --> 00:01:41.640 but you know how so I know you've been traveling on the road and 22 00:01:41.760 --> 00:01:45.480 going crazy with the boys, getting them to all the Midwest schools. So 23 00:01:46.159 --> 00:01:49.760 you know, one appreciate you and your sacrifice. Man, driving he's part, 24 00:01:49.840 --> 00:01:53.159 so he's safe, he's a hands free he's part. So just everybody 25 00:01:53.159 --> 00:01:57.599 out there following. You know, he's not driving in and doing the show 26 00:01:57.640 --> 00:02:02.560 tonight, the road show. Well that but that's the that's the beauty about 27 00:02:02.599 --> 00:02:07.200 playing sports and playing football. You can adapt to anything. There's is like 28 00:02:07.319 --> 00:02:09.240 sudden change right now. You know, the defense was out there for a 29 00:02:09.319 --> 00:02:13.800 long drive to get a turnover. You know, the offense is on the 30 00:02:13.840 --> 00:02:17.000 field and think an interception or a fumble and hey they have to be back 31 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:23.039 out there. That's suddenly, Oh did you hate that? That's right? 32 00:02:23.159 --> 00:02:27.400 We practiced that that situation from football. You gotta change and you gotta sprint 33 00:02:27.439 --> 00:02:29.560 out there. It's like, why are we spread out there? You know, 34 00:02:29.960 --> 00:02:31.879 possession, You've got time, right, But I think it is it 35 00:02:32.000 --> 00:02:35.400 But like, so, yeah, that's a good question. You have time. 36 00:02:35.439 --> 00:02:38.960 But is it that in that sudden change training? Is it a thing 37 00:02:39.039 --> 00:02:42.680 like you've spraint out there to make it look like, hey, we're good, 38 00:02:42.680 --> 00:02:46.919 we're ready for this. I mean yeah, kind of like you know, 39 00:02:47.159 --> 00:02:51.919 you just got sat down on the bench and got the good kul aid 40 00:02:51.919 --> 00:02:57.840 and gator rings. You drenching, and all of a sudden, yeah, 41 00:02:57.960 --> 00:03:06.199 you hear the crowd go oh. And then you know the worst, The 42 00:03:06.240 --> 00:03:08.400 worst is when you're running out there and it's one of the offensive players like, 43 00:03:09.000 --> 00:03:12.879 oh, come on, guys, get the ball back for us. 44 00:03:12.879 --> 00:03:21.280 It's like it's always those whore like slapping hands. He's like, all right, 45 00:03:21.280 --> 00:03:25.039 man, we'll try our best get it done. That is I think 46 00:03:25.080 --> 00:03:29.120 that body language is important though, because you know, as an offensive guy, 47 00:03:29.159 --> 00:03:32.439 when we going on the field after getting a turnover, if we see 48 00:03:32.439 --> 00:03:38.639 the defense looking pissed off because their offenses gave the ball up and their body 49 00:03:38.719 --> 00:03:42.599 language is bad, oh, we're salivating, gonna kill you. So you 50 00:03:42.719 --> 00:03:46.000 know that, you know you need to be out there with that good energy, 51 00:03:46.080 --> 00:03:49.000 high energy, like you're excited that you get a chance to get the 52 00:03:49.039 --> 00:03:53.280 ball back yourselves or or else. It's it's curtains. But that's part of 53 00:03:53.319 --> 00:03:54.680 life. Man. You gotta play and roll with punches, right too, 54 00:03:55.240 --> 00:03:59.319 Hey, absolutely have to roll the punches. So let's roll into the show 55 00:03:59.360 --> 00:04:01.479 here, guys. You know, yes, you know, just going through 56 00:04:01.520 --> 00:04:05.560 the whole Twitter machine and something popped up, and you know, we shot 57 00:04:05.599 --> 00:04:11.800 it along to each other and it's the USA today released the top twenty five 58 00:04:11.960 --> 00:04:16.360 revenue earning college football programs, and you know in that top twenty five, 59 00:04:17.319 --> 00:04:24.439 Michigan State is number twelve in that top twenty five. And something that also 60 00:04:24.519 --> 00:04:27.560 really surprised me. I don't know if how it caught you, guys, 61 00:04:28.160 --> 00:04:32.399 is eight out of that of the twenty five schools in there were big ten 62 00:04:32.519 --> 00:04:38.480 schools. What is that? What says you? Otis is what says me? 63 00:04:40.240 --> 00:04:42.720 I don't know. You know, when you pull up the article and 64 00:04:42.759 --> 00:04:45.360 you read it and then you're like, all right, let me let me 65 00:04:45.399 --> 00:04:47.199 go. I'm gonna read some of the top let me just go down to 66 00:04:47.279 --> 00:04:50.480 like the ranking, right, I was like, I just want to see 67 00:04:50.519 --> 00:04:53.959 this on there, right, So you're all scrolling like, oh, we're 68 00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:59.959 twelve. I think it sells a lot to I guess the entire afletic departm 69 00:05:00.360 --> 00:05:03.839 right, Like we talk about the wins bringing a lot of you know, 70 00:05:03.920 --> 00:05:09.639 revenue, but it looks good and it feels good that you're on that list 71 00:05:10.199 --> 00:05:14.759 post COVID because everything had to get you know, pushed to a halt and 72 00:05:15.319 --> 00:05:17.399 you know, you had a refund or you try to you know, keep 73 00:05:17.439 --> 00:05:20.560 the money, trying to move the money. And from this standpoint, I 74 00:05:20.560 --> 00:05:24.920 think there's nowhere else to go but up right, Like being on this list 75 00:05:25.240 --> 00:05:29.560 shows that we're in the top programs, you know, in respectable programs at 76 00:05:29.600 --> 00:05:33.720 that and just just just know, like football turns all the way up and 77 00:05:33.879 --> 00:05:40.519 has success, it trickled down effect to every area of the athletic department when 78 00:05:40.560 --> 00:05:46.480 the football program is winning and winning the right way. So I enjoyed looking 79 00:05:46.519 --> 00:05:49.680 and reading those statistics because clearly I'm in a revenue generating role as my job, 80 00:05:50.360 --> 00:05:55.319 and so that just gives me a sense of not security, but more 81 00:05:55.360 --> 00:06:00.480 so just confidence that we're doing the right things in the right way. Yeah, 82 00:06:00.519 --> 00:06:03.199 And that's a very good point. And Jason, you know, otis 83 00:06:03.360 --> 00:06:05.480 hit on it. You know, we have nowhere to go but up. 84 00:06:05.720 --> 00:06:10.519 But think about this, alcohol sales now going to be coming, you know, 85 00:06:10.680 --> 00:06:14.720 to the stadium to Michigan State. Currently right now, Michigan State, 86 00:06:14.839 --> 00:06:18.480 Michigan and Nebraska are the only three teams in the Big Ten that do not 87 00:06:18.600 --> 00:06:23.160 allow alcohol. So how do you think this is going to impact you know, 88 00:06:23.399 --> 00:06:28.319 the revenue stream here stray and to U two otis well before straight says, 89 00:06:28.399 --> 00:06:34.879 so it is still it's still a part like it's great, next step, 90 00:06:35.040 --> 00:06:40.360 there's still one more. So I just want to calm this down because 91 00:06:41.040 --> 00:06:43.959 everyone's like, we're doing it, We're doing it. No, calm down. 92 00:06:44.120 --> 00:06:46.399 We still got some things to work out, but it is the next 93 00:06:46.439 --> 00:06:51.160 step in the right direction versus the wrong direction. So go ahead, straight 94 00:06:51.879 --> 00:06:59.480 your thoughts. Look, you know, when you see eight Big Ten teams 95 00:06:59.519 --> 00:07:00.920 on this, I mean I want to be very clear. I know that 96 00:07:01.240 --> 00:07:03.519 a lot of times we are on this show, we're talking about, you 97 00:07:03.600 --> 00:07:06.639 know, hey, we need to do better at Michigan State because of what's 98 00:07:06.680 --> 00:07:10.360 going on in the SEC and all that. But let's be very very very 99 00:07:10.399 --> 00:07:14.199 clear about this. The Big Ten is in the halves, not the have 100 00:07:14.439 --> 00:07:17.959 nots and Michigan State is in the upper tier of the Big Ten and you 101 00:07:17.959 --> 00:07:21.240 can see that in the revenue that Michigan State is generating being number twelve on 102 00:07:21.279 --> 00:07:25.720 that list Michigan State and the rest of the Big ten schools. When you 103 00:07:25.759 --> 00:07:31.199 think about the conference realignment that's happening in the you know, the expansions that's 104 00:07:31.240 --> 00:07:35.680 happening, it's primarily in the SEC and the Big Ten. Those are the 105 00:07:35.680 --> 00:07:41.480 two conferences. If there is to be a mega conference that would someday maybe 106 00:07:41.480 --> 00:07:45.920 break away or so ultimately it will be the Big Ten in that along with 107 00:07:45.959 --> 00:07:51.000 the SEC. There's gonna be There's there's no threat in my opinion or factually 108 00:07:51.639 --> 00:07:57.839 that the Big Ten in some way is hurting for money. That's you know, 109 00:07:57.920 --> 00:08:00.199 I think they had a what is it, an eight billion dollar ill 110 00:08:00.240 --> 00:08:03.839 by CBS that tells you a lot about what the Big Ten can generate. 111 00:08:03.879 --> 00:08:07.600 And there's a lot of eyeballs. You know the fact that Michigan's the Big 112 00:08:07.600 --> 00:08:11.639 Ten now has expanded from the East coast all the way from Maryland and Rutgers 113 00:08:11.720 --> 00:08:16.560 all the way over to California with USC and UCLA. That's all about eyeballs, 114 00:08:16.680 --> 00:08:20.920 rooftops, that's how the media folks look at it. Look at how 115 00:08:20.920 --> 00:08:24.519 many people the population and the states that the Big Ten is in, and 116 00:08:24.639 --> 00:08:30.079 look at the stadiums. The stadiums. There's not many schools around the United 117 00:08:30.079 --> 00:08:35.320 States that fill up seventy to one hundred and ten thousand seat stadiums on a 118 00:08:35.399 --> 00:08:39.559 regular weekend and week out basis. And the Big Ten that's going to be 119 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:41.399 strong for a long time, and I'm excited about it. It's good to 120 00:08:41.440 --> 00:08:45.879 see that ranking, Michigan State being twelve right now, and hopefully they can 121 00:08:45.919 --> 00:08:50.559 continue to rise as we continue to get better on the field, which will 122 00:08:50.679 --> 00:08:54.440 bring more revenue. And you know, hopefully alcohol does get past at some 123 00:08:54.559 --> 00:08:58.879 point and Otis and everybody on this show could be very very happy. Yeah, 124 00:08:58.919 --> 00:09:01.320 absolutely, you know, it's it's really you know you're talking about you 125 00:09:01.399 --> 00:09:07.519 know, Big Ten, you know, expanding you know to Rutgers and Maryland 126 00:09:07.559 --> 00:09:09.440 and all those different Now it's gonna be you know, we're gonna in twenty 127 00:09:09.480 --> 00:09:13.639 twenty four we're gonna see the first real big expansion out west. And there's 128 00:09:13.639 --> 00:09:18.200 gonna be more to come with UCLA and USC joining. So a couple of 129 00:09:18.240 --> 00:09:22.080 weeks or a couple of days ago. You know, the schedules came out, 130 00:09:22.120 --> 00:09:26.720 the future schedules came out for the twenty twenty four and twenty twenty five 131 00:09:26.720 --> 00:09:31.120 future schedules came out, and what we noticed was a glaring for the fur 132 00:09:31.159 --> 00:09:35.759 the Spartans. There was none of those you know, there's no UCLA, 133 00:09:35.000 --> 00:09:39.559 there's no USC you know in those in that schedule for twenty twenty four. 134 00:09:39.559 --> 00:09:45.519 In twenty twenty five, you know, we we have we host UCLA and 135 00:09:45.559 --> 00:09:50.000 then we go to USC. But what do you guys think, you know, 136 00:09:50.200 --> 00:09:54.919 Michigan State not being in you know, with those guys in the first 137 00:09:54.000 --> 00:09:56.600 year, is it the is it a lack of production of the you know, 138 00:09:56.639 --> 00:10:00.200 the down season that we had. I feel like it wasn't to be 139 00:10:00.240 --> 00:10:03.600 a marquee game. You know, what are your thoughts on that? Yeah? 140 00:10:03.639 --> 00:10:07.799 I do think that's a great question. Yeah, I mean great question. 141 00:10:07.919 --> 00:10:09.799 I honestly think it's it's all about media, all about TV right now 142 00:10:09.840 --> 00:10:16.759 from that standpoint of just how the matchups play with obviously other conferences and in 143 00:10:18.240 --> 00:10:22.799 premiere primetime games if you think of but I mean, we also were playing 144 00:10:22.919 --> 00:10:26.240 Washington, so we're having this PAC twelve kind of feel right now. For 145 00:10:26.320 --> 00:10:31.000 this season and next season. I honestly think it's great for us to kind 146 00:10:31.039 --> 00:10:33.320 of see how it all fits in this, you know, for next season. 147 00:10:35.159 --> 00:10:39.080 But like I get it, we're sending our schedules ahead of time, 148 00:10:39.120 --> 00:10:43.000 which is always good, but like, be where we are right now. 149 00:10:43.159 --> 00:10:46.600 Let's take care of this season and prepare for knowing that it's gonna get tougher 150 00:10:48.279 --> 00:10:50.679 and on the road and obviously in competitive in the competition in the conference. 151 00:10:52.240 --> 00:10:54.159 Uh, It's like, let's let's play ball, Let's do it right this 152 00:10:54.240 --> 00:11:00.799 season to prepare for uh next season and having a strong gear that we are 153 00:11:01.320 --> 00:11:05.879 absolutely have to bring in the Bruins and obviously the Trojan. So I don't 154 00:11:05.879 --> 00:11:09.679 know, I'm indifferent from a standpoint, I'm actually glad we're not playing a 155 00:11:09.799 --> 00:11:13.720 right out the bat, not because of the programs success and lack of season 156 00:11:13.840 --> 00:11:20.600 and wins and losses, just just from a logistics and geographical standpoint, I 157 00:11:20.639 --> 00:11:24.600 think it's just good for us to not be included for that first time next 158 00:11:24.639 --> 00:11:28.919 season. Yeah, So I'm just straight to you. Do you find it? 159 00:11:28.039 --> 00:11:35.159 Do you see any disrespect in that? Slightly? But here's the thing 160 00:11:35.200 --> 00:11:37.120 about that, you know they're going to try to get the best matchups for 161 00:11:37.279 --> 00:11:41.679 TV ratings right away, to get those eyeballs on those games right away. 162 00:11:43.240 --> 00:11:48.799 But here's the thing. What also goes away is divisions. In twenty twenty 163 00:11:48.799 --> 00:11:50.960 four, no more divisions, So it's not gonna be an East versus West 164 00:11:52.000 --> 00:11:56.279 situation. The best two teams in the Big Ten will be in Indianapolis or 165 00:11:56.279 --> 00:12:00.279 wherever the Big Ten Championship game will be held. I'm not sure sure. 166 00:12:00.440 --> 00:12:05.320 Usually it's send Lucas Oil down in Indianapolis. So this is an opportunity. 167 00:12:05.639 --> 00:12:07.320 This isn't a I wouldn't take this as a slight and say, oh man, 168 00:12:07.600 --> 00:12:11.960 let's scrap and wait till twenty twenty five. You absolutely have an opportunity 169 00:12:13.039 --> 00:12:16.279 right here to be in the Big Ten Championship game without having to play USC 170 00:12:16.360 --> 00:12:22.080 and UCLA's that's really how you look at it. So it doesn't matter in 171 00:12:22.200 --> 00:12:26.039 the game of football, the game of life. You control what you can 172 00:12:26.080 --> 00:12:28.840 control. We can't control the schedule. It is what it is. So 173 00:12:30.120 --> 00:12:33.039 Michigan State has an opportunity to be one of the two to be in that 174 00:12:33.080 --> 00:12:37.799 discussion. And then, also, guys, the playoff does expand to twelve 175 00:12:37.879 --> 00:12:43.919 teams in twenty twenty four as well. So a lot of things good things 176 00:12:43.919 --> 00:12:48.279 on the horizon for the Spartans if we can continue to recruit and continue to 177 00:12:48.360 --> 00:12:52.080 gel and push this team forward to where you know, Michigan State has been 178 00:12:52.080 --> 00:12:56.600 in recent history and where mal Tucker Will wants to take this program. Yeah, 179 00:12:56.639 --> 00:13:00.720 you know those are all you know good and keep points there. And 180 00:13:00.759 --> 00:13:05.080 you know when you say to be like Del's afi like it's an absolute snub, 181 00:13:07.440 --> 00:13:09.039 I'm waiting. No I I took him. You know, I thought 182 00:13:09.039 --> 00:13:11.720 about it at first, and you know straight, you know, hit a 183 00:13:11.759 --> 00:13:15.879 good point on you know, right in there, say you play who's on 184 00:13:15.879 --> 00:13:18.039 the schedule and to your point, and when we talked about you know, 185 00:13:18.080 --> 00:13:20.879 where the game's being played otis, you said, you know, we can 186 00:13:20.879 --> 00:13:24.159 play in the Mario parking lot. We can play you know whatever. You 187 00:13:24.159 --> 00:13:26.240 know, that's at the end of the day. We have to do what 188 00:13:26.320 --> 00:13:30.200 we have to do. But also too, if we want to get these 189 00:13:30.279 --> 00:13:33.080 marquee games, we have to win football games. It's that simple. If 190 00:13:33.120 --> 00:13:37.879 we want to be the one prime time all the time, we have to 191 00:13:37.919 --> 00:13:41.279 win games. If we want to be you know, the first to to 192 00:13:41.320 --> 00:13:43.879 you know, play USC get a crack at them, get a crack at 193 00:13:43.960 --> 00:13:48.679 UCLA. All that Glen's the glimmer and the Hollywood lights and everything like that. 194 00:13:48.840 --> 00:13:52.279 We have to win football games and position ourselves in that to do so. 195 00:13:52.279 --> 00:13:56.320 So you know, let's you know, talking to this and we have 196 00:13:56.360 --> 00:13:58.440 a special guest that's going to join us, you know, right now, 197 00:14:00.919 --> 00:14:07.879 Jesse Simitoon. He is a national college football columnist at on three. Jesse, 198 00:14:07.000 --> 00:14:11.200 you know, he's a guy. He was born in the South uh. 199 00:14:11.440 --> 00:14:15.679 Former beat writer covering the Florida Gators, the Tennessee Volunteers, worked for 200 00:14:15.720 --> 00:14:20.679 the Miami Herald, SEC Country and volquest dot com, among others. Jesse, 201 00:14:22.200 --> 00:14:24.960 welcome to This is part of MSU. I'm welcome boys, thanks for 202 00:14:26.000 --> 00:14:31.200 having me go talk to some Michigan State faithful. My mom started her master's 203 00:14:31.279 --> 00:14:35.039 degree up in East Lansing, so I got got a little bit of Greeen 204 00:14:35.120 --> 00:14:37.720 in my family, just a little bit. So there you go, there 205 00:14:37.759 --> 00:14:39.840 you go. I love it. That is awesome. Uh, you know, 206 00:14:41.000 --> 00:14:43.759 you're you're down in you know, SEC Country and everything like that, 207 00:14:43.840 --> 00:14:48.200 and you know the scheduling everything, you know, with the realignment people joining 208 00:14:48.320 --> 00:14:52.279 you know from you know, like Oklahoma's gonna be coming to SEC. But 209 00:14:52.399 --> 00:14:56.559 in the Big ten country here, with USC and UCLA joining the Big Ten, 210 00:14:56.879 --> 00:15:01.720 what impact do you think that you know, brings to the co well 211 00:15:01.840 --> 00:15:05.639 that kind of listening to you guys talk for a few minutes before I jumped 212 00:15:05.639 --> 00:15:09.600 in on here, I mean, I think you guys, you guys kind 213 00:15:09.600 --> 00:15:13.360 of touch still on the subject that this only will kind of help the Big 214 00:15:13.399 --> 00:15:16.679 Ten financially, and they're they're in a position of strength as is, and 215 00:15:16.720 --> 00:15:20.279 now this just makes them, along with the SEC, you know, two 216 00:15:20.320 --> 00:15:26.279 of the pre eminent conferences in the sport. And so the SEC is choosing 217 00:15:26.320 --> 00:15:30.159 to kind of go by it a little bit differently that they kind of want 218 00:15:30.200 --> 00:15:35.320 to maintain that geographical footprint where every kind of state touches each other. Still, 219 00:15:35.600 --> 00:15:39.559 but the Big ten saying, hey, you know, and Kevin Warren 220 00:15:39.639 --> 00:15:41.120 started it, and I think the next Commission is going to continue it, 221 00:15:41.159 --> 00:15:45.159 that we want to be a coast to coast conference. And so you know, 222 00:15:45.200 --> 00:15:48.240 you got Rutgers on one end, you got USC and U C l 223 00:15:48.320 --> 00:15:52.240 A on the other. I think ultimately we're probably a couple of years down 224 00:15:52.240 --> 00:15:56.000 the road from this happening. But I think ultimately it makes sense for the 225 00:15:56.000 --> 00:16:00.360 Big Ten to kind of continue to expand out west, whether that is an 226 00:16:00.360 --> 00:16:03.600 Oregon in Washington, so they have kind of an even deeper footprint out there. 227 00:16:04.320 --> 00:16:07.360 And then you know, just this week we kind of heard both the 228 00:16:07.399 --> 00:16:12.960 SEC and the Big Ten are interested still in North Carolina, Virginia, those 229 00:16:14.000 --> 00:16:17.360 types of schools because again, we know what this is. This comes down 230 00:16:17.440 --> 00:16:22.120 to TV money finances and how many homes can you put this Big Ten network 231 00:16:22.159 --> 00:16:25.799 and these you know, football games in and so those are two big markets 232 00:16:25.799 --> 00:16:30.720 of Virginia, DC market the North Carolina Charlotte market. So I think it's 233 00:16:32.120 --> 00:16:34.799 a huge move for the conference. I'm excited about the schedule in twenty four 234 00:16:36.159 --> 00:16:40.039 twenty five. I know again Michigan State's not playing one of those two teams 235 00:16:40.080 --> 00:16:42.679 out west. Their schedules still gonna be just as hard with Michigan, Penn 236 00:16:42.679 --> 00:16:48.639 State, and Ohio State still on the slate. So big things happening across 237 00:16:48.679 --> 00:16:52.799 college football. It's an exciting time to be covering the sport. Hey Jesse, 238 00:16:55.080 --> 00:16:59.399 Yeah, great joining us tonight. You could be anywhere else, but 239 00:16:59.559 --> 00:17:03.120 it's some time with us, So we appreciate it. Man. You know, 240 00:17:03.240 --> 00:17:06.920 from a standpoint of we talked about a lot of people are thinking about 241 00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:10.319 when this was announced, you know, they're thinking about, Yes, the 242 00:17:10.359 --> 00:17:15.480 big revenue generating sports football, basketball, you know from a logistics standpoint, 243 00:17:15.559 --> 00:17:19.359 traveling all across the country to play, Yeah, that's big, finding Danny. 244 00:17:19.359 --> 00:17:25.319 But the trickle down effect to the other sports that you have to truly 245 00:17:25.359 --> 00:17:30.119 spend a lot of time to go out there and play USC UCLA. And 246 00:17:30.160 --> 00:17:33.039 we talked about the in your article that you wrote, was like the flex 247 00:17:33.079 --> 00:17:37.240 protect plus is good, Like that whole system of we're not going to put 248 00:17:37.279 --> 00:17:41.839 any parameters on the divisions just yet, but we're going to allow it to 249 00:17:41.920 --> 00:17:45.319 kind of grow, right, We're allowing it to We're going to start it 250 00:17:45.359 --> 00:17:48.400 and then even you know, if it makes sense, we'll rebrand it. 251 00:17:48.480 --> 00:17:52.079 But you know, you mentioned that the Big ten is not good and the 252 00:17:52.119 --> 00:17:57.039 kind of rebranding names of the divisions where me and Chuchu were in the Legends 253 00:17:57.079 --> 00:18:02.359 and the Leaders and then you got the West and East and was like, 254 00:18:02.400 --> 00:18:04.960 what is what's what is this? Like what's going on? But you know, 255 00:18:06.119 --> 00:18:08.000 what is it? What is it going to do to the other sports? 256 00:18:08.599 --> 00:18:12.880 As we have to figure out just travel budgets and getting over and making 257 00:18:12.920 --> 00:18:18.759 sure everyone's playing each other in the other sports. Well, that's I think 258 00:18:18.799 --> 00:18:22.079 that's kind of the months of ball kind of hanging out there. For all 259 00:18:22.160 --> 00:18:26.599 these conferences that are continuing to look at expansion and realignment for football and basketball, 260 00:18:26.839 --> 00:18:30.720 it makes sense that they're doing these models with flexibility in mind. Again, 261 00:18:30.759 --> 00:18:36.400 there's no reason to tie yourselves into faux rivalries. Let let these things 262 00:18:36.400 --> 00:18:41.799 happen organically. But for a sport like gymnastics or a sport like you know, 263 00:18:41.880 --> 00:18:45.960 women's basketball or baseball, I think there's gonna be some complications and some 264 00:18:47.079 --> 00:18:52.880 growing pains for kind of all parties involved, because again you're talking about logistical 265 00:18:52.960 --> 00:18:56.599 nightmares in terms of some of these scheduling. I think that's why, ultimately, 266 00:18:56.640 --> 00:18:59.960 I think it just behooves the Big Ten if they really want to be 267 00:19:00.160 --> 00:19:03.119 this kind of coast to coast league, to grab two of the other pre 268 00:19:03.119 --> 00:19:07.799 eminent programs out there in Washington and Oregon. So at least you do have 269 00:19:07.880 --> 00:19:11.279 kind of a deeper footprint. So say you're playing a baseball series or whatever, 270 00:19:11.519 --> 00:19:15.440 they can go play back to back out there and that you know you're 271 00:19:15.440 --> 00:19:18.759 not coming home. I do think, you know, to kind of spin 272 00:19:18.839 --> 00:19:22.640 this back to football, it makes sense that they're basically saying, all right, 273 00:19:22.720 --> 00:19:25.279 every school, if you're going to LA, you just go once a 274 00:19:25.359 --> 00:19:29.279 season, so you're not going out there twice. The LA schools are going 275 00:19:29.359 --> 00:19:32.799 to have to obviously kind of huff it more to kind of come to the 276 00:19:32.920 --> 00:19:36.000 you know, come to the Midwest a whole lot more. But that's kind 277 00:19:36.039 --> 00:19:38.079 of the pennies they pay for getting, you know, the greater, the 278 00:19:38.119 --> 00:19:41.519 greater, you know, piece of the pie that they weren't going to have 279 00:19:41.559 --> 00:19:45.920 access to in the PAC twelve. So again, flexibility, I think, 280 00:19:45.319 --> 00:19:48.559 uh is kind of the name of the game here. Big ten not great 281 00:19:48.559 --> 00:19:53.240 at branding, but the SEC could take note on the way they did their 282 00:19:53.359 --> 00:19:57.680 nine game schedule and not pigeonholing themselves into kind of you know, trying to 283 00:19:57.720 --> 00:20:04.519 create rivalries that just don't exists. That's god like, which what which which 284 00:20:04.559 --> 00:20:08.480 teams that the rivals league that don't exist? Which give us a full example 285 00:20:08.519 --> 00:20:14.039 because people following what are those teams that they try to create something but just 286 00:20:14.079 --> 00:20:18.000 didn't work out in the SEC or or SEC? Yeah? Oh well, 287 00:20:18.039 --> 00:20:22.160 I mean I I just I think that you know, a South Carolina fan 288 00:20:22.279 --> 00:20:26.680 thinks that a Georgia like thinks that Georgia is like their biggest rival, and 289 00:20:26.799 --> 00:20:32.920 Georgia's like will shrug their shoulders at South Carolina Tennessee. You know, Tennessee 290 00:20:33.039 --> 00:20:38.079 has probably more rivals than anyone quote unquote in the SEC because their storied nature 291 00:20:38.119 --> 00:20:44.480 and how long that program has been around. But vallfans care much more about 292 00:20:44.640 --> 00:20:48.880 the Alabamas and the Georgias of the world than they do Kentucky. Whereas Kentucky 293 00:20:49.319 --> 00:20:52.200 if they went into a room and it was a blind vote of who is 294 00:20:52.240 --> 00:20:56.319 your number one rival, they would vote Tennessee because of the beer barrel and 295 00:20:56.359 --> 00:21:00.599 that the fact that they'd played one hundred times. So again, it's I 296 00:21:00.640 --> 00:21:03.200 think what the Big Ten did was right. Like Penn State said, you 297 00:21:03.200 --> 00:21:07.359 know what, we don't really have any rivals, even though we've been in 298 00:21:07.359 --> 00:21:11.160 the league for a long time. You know we our only rival is we 299 00:21:11.279 --> 00:21:14.279 really just don't want to play Michigan, Michigan State, and Ohio State every 300 00:21:14.319 --> 00:21:17.640 year. So just give us one or two of them instead of three and 301 00:21:17.720 --> 00:21:21.160 we're fine. And the Big Ten was like okay, And then but Iowa 302 00:21:21.279 --> 00:21:23.319 was like, we want to play three teams every year, and the Big 303 00:21:23.359 --> 00:21:29.319 Ten was like okay, and so I just think that makes sense. Definitely. 304 00:21:29.799 --> 00:21:33.440 Yeah, that's a great point. And you coming from the SEC, 305 00:21:33.599 --> 00:21:38.200 you've seen Rabbit fan bases up close and personal, right and for the volunteers, 306 00:21:38.200 --> 00:21:41.480 as you said with Tennessee, you know, looking at the expansion of 307 00:21:41.480 --> 00:21:45.200 the Big Ten. You just touched on the potential for Michigan for the Big 308 00:21:45.240 --> 00:21:48.920 Ten to bring in Oregon in Washington, and you talked about the DC market 309 00:21:49.400 --> 00:21:53.640 as well as the Carolinas. Is there any talk out there that you've been 310 00:21:53.680 --> 00:21:59.920 hearing as a national columnist about Florida. So I've heard rumblings of like schools 311 00:21:59.920 --> 00:22:03.359 like Miami and Florida State being somebody that's in the purview of the Big Ten 312 00:22:03.400 --> 00:22:10.599 as well. Yeah, I mean, I'm certainly touched in on realignment stuff. 313 00:22:10.680 --> 00:22:14.559 I think the ACC is kind of complicated because of their grant of rights 314 00:22:14.599 --> 00:22:18.000 deals. You know, it's well documented that they can't get out of there 315 00:22:18.079 --> 00:22:21.559 until twenty thirty six or you know, a long time away. And so 316 00:22:22.200 --> 00:22:26.920 right now they're talking about doing some revenue sharing. If I'm a Boston College 317 00:22:26.960 --> 00:22:30.079 or Wake Forest, I don't know why I would give up even a synth 318 00:22:30.200 --> 00:22:33.039 of my piece of the pie when you know these teams are just gonna leave 319 00:22:33.359 --> 00:22:37.720 the first chance they can. Anyways. But I actually think that Florida State 320 00:22:37.799 --> 00:22:41.400 and Miami, Florida, Miami, maybe Florida State would be a little bit 321 00:22:41.400 --> 00:22:45.720 of an odd fit I think in the Big Ten because it doesn't kind of 322 00:22:45.759 --> 00:22:49.079 meet some of the academic stuff that kind of the conference, you know, 323 00:22:49.640 --> 00:22:55.240 would prefer to kind of uphold. That's why again I think North Carolina, 324 00:22:55.640 --> 00:23:00.920 Virginia, those sorts of schools make more sense on the ACC not only because 325 00:23:00.960 --> 00:23:04.240 of the markets, but because of the you know, the academic press SiGe 326 00:23:04.279 --> 00:23:07.720 they come. With Miami, a private school, it is a little bit 327 00:23:07.759 --> 00:23:14.279 better. So I could see that fit potentially. I think we all agree 328 00:23:14.319 --> 00:23:18.720 that at some point, may not be in ten years, maybe it's in 329 00:23:18.839 --> 00:23:22.680 twenty years, but there's going to be kind of a seismic, the next 330 00:23:22.720 --> 00:23:27.240 seismic shift in realignment, it's going to be just two superpower conferences. I 331 00:23:27.279 --> 00:23:32.680 do think that's that that's where we're going, you know, ultimately in college 332 00:23:32.680 --> 00:23:34.960 football. Yeah, and that's a good point there that you hit on. 333 00:23:36.319 --> 00:23:40.039 You just said that too, super conference and I know, last question before 334 00:23:40.079 --> 00:23:42.960 we let you go, once again, appreciate you joining us here. This 335 00:23:44.079 --> 00:23:48.640 is a Jesse from on three you know National columnless joining us here on this 336 00:23:48.720 --> 00:23:52.519 is Sparta MSU. But before you go, you know, we talked about 337 00:23:52.559 --> 00:23:56.240 you know, Big Ten reaching coast to coast, you know, and finding 338 00:23:56.279 --> 00:23:59.359 different teams, you know, the Washington Organs and everything like that, and 339 00:23:59.440 --> 00:24:03.200 you just hit a little bit. Do you see realistically, you know, 340 00:24:03.519 --> 00:24:06.839 super conferences, you know, the Big Ten, you know having you know, 341 00:24:06.920 --> 00:24:11.240 going like kind of splitting the equator line, you know in the United 342 00:24:11.279 --> 00:24:19.359 States everything you know North Mason Dixon School, Mason Dixon below, uh is 343 00:24:19.480 --> 00:24:23.279 uh you know SEC School. Do you see those two and then the ACC 344 00:24:23.480 --> 00:24:27.279 somewhere floating around because they're locked into that deal for until twenty thirty six. 345 00:24:27.960 --> 00:24:33.000 Well, I think the super if, if if the super Conferences ultimately do 346 00:24:33.079 --> 00:24:37.720 come to fruition, which I think we're at least going down that path, 347 00:24:38.559 --> 00:24:45.160 those the powerhouse ACC programs Florida State, Clemson, Miami nor those those schools 348 00:24:45.160 --> 00:24:49.720 will be involved in what I would deem maybe like I'm thinking like forty teams, 349 00:24:51.200 --> 00:24:55.240 thirty five teams, and so when you're talking like that you're looking at 350 00:24:55.279 --> 00:24:59.319 almost more like the NFL, AFC, NFC. It's not even necessarily Big 351 00:24:59.359 --> 00:25:03.759 ten s. It's going to be like again, maybe the Big ten doesn't 352 00:25:03.799 --> 00:25:07.480 need to be involved in the naming rights. But we'll we'll we'll certainly take 353 00:25:07.799 --> 00:25:12.240 y'all's fourteenth, you know, fourteen teams because of the quality of those teams. 354 00:25:12.400 --> 00:25:17.440 But it's gonna look, it's just gonna be the top thirty ish or 355 00:25:17.480 --> 00:25:22.279 so programs I think in the country kind of splitting off and doing their own 356 00:25:22.319 --> 00:25:25.799 thing. I just think that's ultimately the way it has. So whether it's 357 00:25:25.839 --> 00:25:29.079 a Mason Dixon line or if it's just an uh, you know what, 358 00:25:29.279 --> 00:25:32.880 you want to cut it by two, AFC, NFC, whatever however you 359 00:25:32.880 --> 00:25:34.920 want to name it, I think that's the path that we're heading down. 360 00:25:36.720 --> 00:25:41.240 All right, Once again, this is Jesse with on three. Appreciate you 361 00:25:41.319 --> 00:25:42.839 taking the time to join us. You know, we'd love to have you 362 00:25:42.880 --> 00:25:45.720 come back again. Maybe when we get closer to the season, you know, 363 00:25:45.880 --> 00:25:49.640 get you know, get back and talk some you know in you know 364 00:25:49.759 --> 00:25:53.440 season and talk about the conferences, talk about you know, scheduling and everything 365 00:25:53.480 --> 00:25:56.039 like that. And you don't get your take on. You know, who 366 00:25:56.079 --> 00:25:59.559 do you think will be the national champion this year? But we'd love to 367 00:25:59.599 --> 00:26:03.640 see I'm back at walk, you know, welcoming spartanation and thank you for 368 00:26:03.720 --> 00:26:07.440 joining us on. This is part of MSU. Appreciate you having me guys, 369 00:26:07.519 --> 00:26:11.079 y'all, good night. Yeah, guys, you know that's what we 370 00:26:11.119 --> 00:26:15.920 talk about. You know, it's a lot of changes coming in. We 371 00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:18.720 have to pull resources from all over the place. You try to figure this 372 00:26:18.759 --> 00:26:22.119 thing out. Yeah, that was good, you know, yeah, you 373 00:26:22.200 --> 00:26:26.440 got to do it. I think it's there's so much news happening and there's 374 00:26:26.480 --> 00:26:30.519 no education, so everyone's kind of taking the narrative right like you know, 375 00:26:30.759 --> 00:26:33.440 this is like beer sales. You know, everyone's like news and then you 376 00:26:33.480 --> 00:26:37.279 get the good news and you spread it, but you then start to figure 377 00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:41.960 out there's different misinformation. But just to hear him how it's been set up 378 00:26:41.960 --> 00:26:45.440 and how we're trending. You know, these guys are in it all the 379 00:26:45.559 --> 00:26:51.359 time and understanding that they have sources that you know, they can't write articles 380 00:26:51.359 --> 00:26:55.720 without good sources too. So from a standpoint of bringing in the leaders or 381 00:26:55.720 --> 00:26:59.839 the thought industry leaders in their field to help us and help spartanation. But 382 00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:03.759 any of our followers understand more about what's happening. It's a good thing. 383 00:27:03.799 --> 00:27:07.119 So that was great, great to bring Jesse on. Yeah. Absolutely. 384 00:27:07.400 --> 00:27:11.200 Hey remember on Tuesday when we're talking, everyone's all this guy's fall in Michigan 385 00:27:11.240 --> 00:27:14.799 State doesn't have any commits and I was like, God, what's gonna happen? 386 00:27:14.839 --> 00:27:18.440 Where are we? Well, we have two commits and we have Corey 387 00:27:18.519 --> 00:27:23.039 Robinson from two four seven Sports will be joining us after this very special message 388 00:27:23.079 --> 00:27:37.440 from our friends at I Hop I Hoppy Hour starting at six dollars at three 389 00:27:37.519 --> 00:27:45.839 pm only for my hop dollop and join the rewards program today. All right, 390 00:27:45.920 --> 00:27:48.319 now, I had high Hop. I had high Hop this morning. 391 00:27:48.519 --> 00:27:55.319 So I had them at Bourbon Bacon eggs, bended dick again, so laughing 392 00:27:55.359 --> 00:27:59.680 again. Man, it's like, man, you know, awesome, But 393 00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:03.720 pancakes a lot of pancakes in the chat. Look at them. Absolutely. 394 00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:07.480 So we talk about commercials, we talk about marketing, we talk about brand 395 00:28:07.519 --> 00:28:11.839 placements. Like you see all these commercials for so long you're like, Babo, 396 00:28:11.880 --> 00:28:14.640 give me my hot and then that's that's how we do it, right, 397 00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:18.720 So if you hold your worth his time, you better go see your 398 00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:22.079 local ie hot and get to get some good, good meal for breakfast or 399 00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:26.480 I got to try those burgers too. So yeah, guys, we talked 400 00:28:26.480 --> 00:28:33.480 about it on Tuesday when we're out having dinner for Missalicia's birthday, and uh, 401 00:28:33.759 --> 00:28:37.200 you know we're talking. You know, we have fourteen defensive backs on 402 00:28:37.200 --> 00:28:41.200 on on in that defensive back room right now. They're gonna have to expand, 403 00:28:41.359 --> 00:28:45.279 put more chairs and you know, get more eyepads for the defensive backs 404 00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:47.480 there. But you got a huge meeting room right now. They got a 405 00:28:47.519 --> 00:28:49.319 huge meeting room. So they got a room. Yeah. So and you 406 00:28:49.319 --> 00:28:52.039 know the thing is, you know, bringing in, you know, a 407 00:28:52.119 --> 00:28:56.200 new defensive backs coach to you know, be paired along with coach Barnett there. 408 00:28:56.319 --> 00:28:59.039 But you know, we talked about it, you know, on Tuesday 409 00:28:59.079 --> 00:29:03.799 that you know, Michigan's they hadn't seen the commits commitments coming in and you 410 00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:07.279 know we're in about what our third week in this June now about you know, 411 00:29:07.319 --> 00:29:11.400 these official visits rolling through and official unofficial visits you know, coming through, 412 00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:15.559 and we picked up in the last couple of days. We picked up 413 00:29:15.559 --> 00:29:22.640 two recruits and two more defensive backs. We have Cameron Campbell out from Florida 414 00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:30.079 cornerback are gonna be He said he's a thousand percent committed to Michigan State. 415 00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:37.000 Go Green guys, thoughts. I mean also adding in Reggie Powers and yeah 416 00:29:37.079 --> 00:29:41.000 also too, we have you know, safety from Ohio. You know they 417 00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:45.200 say Ohio boys can ball. See camra is one thousand percent. Raggie's one 418 00:29:45.240 --> 00:29:49.640 hundred percent committed hashtag Spartan dogs. So he is in these graphics. I 419 00:29:49.640 --> 00:29:53.359 mean, these graphics are money that these kids make these days. I know 420 00:29:56.000 --> 00:30:00.400 them, you know. I feel like we need to re create like ours. 421 00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:06.839 Let's see what we would do. No, I think I think this 422 00:30:06.920 --> 00:30:11.400 is this is good picture, right, I think this is this is a 423 00:30:11.440 --> 00:30:17.880 good good pick ups from commitments. But I feel like we've been we've been 424 00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:25.559 jaded and like Earn so many times with these commitments that it ain't it ain't 425 00:30:25.799 --> 00:30:33.200 solidified until they signed on the dotted line. But a thousand percent and one 426 00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:36.119 hundred percent, like obviously you got to go with a thousand percent. He's 427 00:30:36.240 --> 00:30:40.240 for sure, he's sure. But let's hope that these guys are sticking to, 428 00:30:40.400 --> 00:30:42.839 you know, their commitments like old school. But it's good to know 429 00:30:42.880 --> 00:30:53.920 that coach Barnett and and it's it's Jim coach Jim Lessen Lesson AnyWho, there 430 00:30:53.960 --> 00:30:57.839 we go coach Sogato. You know, it's it's good to show that they're 431 00:30:57.839 --> 00:31:03.279 bringing in some talent, right like, because at first we're like, where's 432 00:31:03.279 --> 00:31:07.640 the depth that or hey, are we too young? Is that why we're 433 00:31:07.640 --> 00:31:12.440 bringing in transfer portal kids and dbs with experience, And then we're getting a 434 00:31:12.480 --> 00:31:17.279 lot in the h you know, in this this next class. It just 435 00:31:17.319 --> 00:31:19.759 shows that we're on the trail and and people, I mean, we're getting 436 00:31:19.799 --> 00:31:22.599 guys out of Florida. You know, there's a lot of opportunities to go 437 00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:26.720 somewhere else else and they're coming all the way up north. So it's a 438 00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:30.759 true testament to coach Tuck and obviously our defensive staff of getting these guys in 439 00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:33.559 here. We got to get the no flies on back because if you control 440 00:31:33.599 --> 00:31:37.839 the air, you know, we already know we got a run stopping defense, 441 00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:41.240 but if you can control that air, we'll be dangerous. Now that's 442 00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:45.039 a great point right there, when you just I just saw Darrant Tatum, 443 00:31:45.400 --> 00:31:48.200 who knows a thing or two about the defensive. Second, they're five DB's 444 00:31:48.279 --> 00:31:51.160 on the field. I all need a reserve and they do get hurt sometimes, 445 00:31:51.400 --> 00:31:53.359 that's absolutely true. You know, they're they're the four to two five 446 00:31:53.440 --> 00:31:59.599 defense of Michigan State runs. Uh is it means five defensive back so four 447 00:31:59.680 --> 00:32:05.279 defense into linemen, two linebackers, five defensive backs. So you can't ever 448 00:32:05.359 --> 00:32:09.359 have too many fast guys on your team. And from the defensive standpoint and 449 00:32:09.400 --> 00:32:14.880 also special team standpoint, so bringing talent on your team, raising your team 450 00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:19.759 speed, it's it's great. I mean I literally I just saw the Ohio 451 00:32:19.799 --> 00:32:22.920 State team practicing, you know, doing their off the field whatever they go 452 00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:25.839 ot as they call them now like the NFL, and and team speed is 453 00:32:25.880 --> 00:32:30.680 important, guys, It's extremely important seeing a lot of fast guys there. 454 00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:34.119 So bringing raising that team speed is a good thing. But you know, 455 00:32:34.200 --> 00:32:37.720 asking us about the recruits, I think it's kind of crude. When we 456 00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:42.279 have a guy like Corey Robinson that's hanging in the wings back here, who 457 00:32:42.279 --> 00:32:45.119 can tell us details on each of these players. Are we gonna bring him 458 00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:51.279 on the show? Hey, what's up, guys? How you doing? 459 00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:58.000 From two four to seven Sports joins the show, How you guys doing? 460 00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:01.319 I had a great intro for you, but straight just took it. I 461 00:33:01.319 --> 00:33:05.640 had, I had it laid down, I had some theme music that was 462 00:33:05.640 --> 00:33:07.759 gonna bring you in and everything I had to you know, the rich. 463 00:33:10.440 --> 00:33:22.559 Now you understand how it feels. I've never I know but you but but 464 00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:31.119 I have been interrupted shots fire, Cory Man, Cory you are I know 465 00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:35.440 this is busy month, man, but uh, you know, talk about 466 00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:38.119 you know, obviously the two guys that we just picked up. You know, 467 00:33:38.279 --> 00:33:43.640 it's crazy because somebody had just told us on Twitter or socials like, 468 00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:45.799 I don't see all the commitments. What's what's going on? Are we doing 469 00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:49.720 our job? And and all of a sudden it's boom boom boom, back 470 00:33:49.720 --> 00:33:53.759 and back back to back. But talk about Cameron Campbell and Reggie Powers. 471 00:33:54.599 --> 00:34:00.240 Yeah, for a minute, I had to retrain myself on how to write 472 00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:07.400 a commitment article a venom and before you know, you just have you know, 473 00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:10.480 you just chop it out pop pop pop and you know it so as 474 00:34:10.519 --> 00:34:15.880 a while because Reggie Powers will talk with him. First, Alan True, 475 00:34:15.880 --> 00:34:19.559 our Midwest guy, called that one. He wanted to do the article with 476 00:34:19.559 --> 00:34:22.079 the quote, so he did that one. So my last one, I 477 00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:29.559 think was I guess a. J Allen did AJ Dennis too because he called 478 00:34:29.639 --> 00:34:35.000 Asian Asian connection since they're both Asian, so he did that one. So 479 00:34:35.079 --> 00:34:37.599 my last one was Logan Bennett, which was a while ago, so I 480 00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:43.400 had to kind of retrain myself on how to do a commitment article again and 481 00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:47.159 how to line it up. But we got it done before Cameron Campbell announced 482 00:34:47.199 --> 00:34:52.400 it. I think we might have been the only site that had those quotes 483 00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:55.519 before he announced, but we'll go with him first, just because that's kind 484 00:34:55.519 --> 00:35:00.760 of a cool story. At the camp yesterday, my colleague Justin Finn and 485 00:35:00.840 --> 00:35:07.039 Steven Brooks, they saw Harlan Barnett celebrating with a phone in his hand, 486 00:35:07.039 --> 00:35:09.440 getting excited and everything, and then he brought the phone over to Mel and 487 00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:13.599 Mel started going crazy. So we're like, all right, something happened. 488 00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:15.400 And at first I was like, Oh, it's probably just Reggie just saying 489 00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:20.400 hey, I'm announcing tonight, even though they knew about it for since last 490 00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:22.480 weekend. But then I started thinking about it, I'm like, no, 491 00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:27.719 it's gotta they're that excited. So then I kind of realized it's got to 492 00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:30.559 be Cameron. If it was Harlan, that got the call because that was 493 00:35:30.599 --> 00:35:35.400 his primary recruiter. So I had reached out to Cameron. I said, 494 00:35:35.440 --> 00:35:39.039 hey, did you get any more visits coming up, kind of being coy 495 00:35:39.119 --> 00:35:44.280 with it, and he said no, I don't think I am. And 496 00:35:44.280 --> 00:35:45.519 then Mike, did you commit? And he said yeah. So then we 497 00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:50.639 actually talked about how I saw him actually committed in the field and the coach's 498 00:35:50.719 --> 00:35:53.840 reactions. So yeah, it was good to kind of get that when that 499 00:35:53.960 --> 00:35:59.000 happens at a camp, and then the type of player they're getting. You 500 00:35:59.039 --> 00:36:01.440 know, he's out of Tampa, Florida. He's six foot one. I 501 00:36:01.440 --> 00:36:05.199 think he's a one eighty, so he's got to pack on a little bit 502 00:36:05.239 --> 00:36:07.960 more weight. But when you turn on the film, he's four four two 503 00:36:08.079 --> 00:36:12.559 guy, and that's running track. So it's not just you know, he's 504 00:36:12.559 --> 00:36:16.400 saying I ran this. He's actually got the verified times running in track, 505 00:36:16.559 --> 00:36:21.639 so it's a legit, legitimate one. Then when you look at his tape, 506 00:36:21.760 --> 00:36:24.199 you know he's he's got the long arms that you see in DBS now, 507 00:36:24.280 --> 00:36:29.639 which is really becoming a trend. And even though he's not that big, 508 00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:34.039 he's definitely you know, he's not one of those defensive backs that grabbing 509 00:36:34.079 --> 00:36:36.840 at the ankles and just trying to, you know, slap it to knock 510 00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:40.239 the guy down. He's hitting him high in the chest in stomach area. 511 00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:44.760 So once he adds it on that extra strength, you know he's going to 512 00:36:44.800 --> 00:36:49.480 become even more physical as a corner. But then you see good instincts from 513 00:36:49.519 --> 00:36:52.800 him too, so like he's a good pickup. We got to get him 514 00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:57.119 rated on our site and I think a couple others because he kind of blew 515 00:36:57.199 --> 00:37:00.280 up out of nowhere. Michigan State was his first offer at the end of 516 00:37:00.320 --> 00:37:05.119 April, and then I think he had fourteen by the time he committed. 517 00:37:05.239 --> 00:37:08.280 I think he got six of them the day before his Michigan State official because 518 00:37:08.320 --> 00:37:12.599 everybody saw he was going there, so they turned on the film and they're 519 00:37:12.639 --> 00:37:15.880 like, oh man, this kid can play. So I think he'll be 520 00:37:15.960 --> 00:37:19.920 a high three star once we finally get to the point. But he's a 521 00:37:19.920 --> 00:37:22.760 guy that could make a run at that four star status with a strong senior 522 00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:29.440 year, So he was definitely a big pickup. Corey talk about I'm sorry, 523 00:37:29.840 --> 00:37:36.960 talk about once you make the commitment, and that is actually public news, 524 00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:42.039 right, Like you've made the commitment and the amount of aggressiveness that other 525 00:37:42.079 --> 00:37:45.679 schools are coming at kids now, you know, talk about kind of the 526 00:37:45.679 --> 00:37:51.119 mental journey that the student athletes are now having to kind of go through and 527 00:37:51.280 --> 00:37:53.280 understand, Like I want to be committed, but people are now going to 528 00:37:53.360 --> 00:37:59.719 start bringing in bigger, shinier things. But like what is going through you 529 00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:01.639 know these guys mind was to make a commitment and what they're going to be 530 00:38:02.159 --> 00:38:07.760 enduring or have to endure until they sign on the downe. Yeah, I 531 00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:09.719 think it's all different, like how you handle it. There's certain guys that 532 00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:15.039 just they don't respond, you know, So if you really want to be 533 00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:19.880 committed in you're one hundred percent or one thousand percent, then maybe you just 534 00:38:19.920 --> 00:38:23.360 don't respond to those texts. And I think Michigan State's got some guys in 535 00:38:23.400 --> 00:38:29.679 the class that definitely fall in that category. I imagine Reggie Powers and Cameron 536 00:38:29.719 --> 00:38:32.800 campbeller probably the same type of players. But we'll find out, because you 537 00:38:32.840 --> 00:38:37.559 know, you can think you know everything about a recruit, but in this 538 00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:40.760 era, it's just a different ballgame. So but I think Michigan States should 539 00:38:40.760 --> 00:38:44.320 feel good about it. They did it the right way on the visit, 540 00:38:44.519 --> 00:38:49.639 so I won't expect it, but in twenty twenty three, you can never 541 00:38:49.679 --> 00:38:53.840 say never. And I guess I never touched on Reggie Powers either where and 542 00:38:53.920 --> 00:39:00.480 that first one. He's a physical safety. It's kind of like he kind 543 00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:05.800 of reminds me a little bit of Isaiah Lewis, the Antonio guy, where 544 00:39:05.800 --> 00:39:08.920 it's just a heavy, heavy hitter where he just likes to blow people up. 545 00:39:08.960 --> 00:39:15.079 He's physical, he shows good instincts, So I think he's gonna be 546 00:39:15.079 --> 00:39:20.119 one of those future leaders and kind of the enforcer in the secondary for years 547 00:39:20.159 --> 00:39:24.199 to come once he gets here. Very smart pick up there. And even 548 00:39:24.280 --> 00:39:28.880 with going back to Campbell, if you turn on his tape, I know 549 00:39:29.000 --> 00:39:32.239 otis he played defensive back, so you probably if you've watched the tape, 550 00:39:32.239 --> 00:39:38.280 there's things you look at with with Campbo. You see like him just keeping 551 00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:42.840 his eyes on the quarterback and how quickly once he recognizes the ball is about 552 00:39:42.840 --> 00:39:45.920 to come out, how quickly he closes to get interceptions or break the plays 553 00:39:46.000 --> 00:39:52.719 up definitely stands out with him. Yeah, you know, so two good 554 00:39:52.760 --> 00:39:58.719 guys. You know that the Spartans are able to secure right now and you 555 00:39:58.760 --> 00:40:01.280 know, hopefully more continuously come in. You know where We're gonna continue to 556 00:40:01.280 --> 00:40:07.360 see more visits coming to campus UH in the next in the next few weeks. 557 00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:10.400 You know, Corey, who should Spartan Nation be keeping an eye out 558 00:40:10.519 --> 00:40:15.960 for. Is there anything any more commits that you you feel could be trickling 559 00:40:15.039 --> 00:40:20.559 down? Yeah, I think you got some guys that are coming up with 560 00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:25.159 playing decision dates in the end of June UH and then early July. And 561 00:40:25.199 --> 00:40:29.119 then there's some other guys that they don't have them set but maybe after they 562 00:40:29.159 --> 00:40:32.679 take some of their visits. Anthony Carey, he was here last weekend. 563 00:40:32.760 --> 00:40:38.679 I think he's somebody that Michigan State feels really good coming out of that visit. 564 00:40:39.000 --> 00:40:45.119 I think he's still gonna visit North Carolina this weekend, but I haven't 565 00:40:45.199 --> 00:40:47.840 got that totally confirmed with him yet, But but Michigan State feels like they're 566 00:40:47.840 --> 00:40:55.079 in a good spot there. Jeremiah Beasley, he's a hot button one out 567 00:40:55.119 --> 00:41:04.840 of Belleville. Yeah. Yeah, he was here last weekend, and I 568 00:41:04.840 --> 00:41:10.320 guess the rest of people following the recruitment kind of found out what I've been 569 00:41:10.639 --> 00:41:15.840 trying to say since the beginning, that Michigan State's not so so out of 570 00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:21.239 it after all, like some people down the road might have wanted them to 571 00:41:21.280 --> 00:41:24.719 believe. So, so we'll see. I mean, he's Beasley's there this 572 00:41:24.840 --> 00:41:28.159 weekend. They're gonna have a lot of their commits there and they're gonna do 573 00:41:28.199 --> 00:41:31.320 everything to try and swing it back. But Michigan State's in a good spot 574 00:41:31.320 --> 00:41:37.519 with him. Dylan Williams and Mathudi the other two linebackers from California. They 575 00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:42.239 came up on separate weekends, but they're kind of a package duo two. 576 00:41:43.480 --> 00:41:46.960 Michigan State blew both of those guys away, Like when I saw them on 577 00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:50.679 the list, I'm like, oh, yeah, they're good players. We 578 00:41:50.760 --> 00:41:52.800 might have a shot, but you know it's gonna be tough. But following 579 00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:58.199 those visits, I think Michigan States really solidified themselves as a logistic or a 580 00:41:58.280 --> 00:42:04.800 legit possibility. Same with Quasi Gilmer, the California wide receiver. I think 581 00:42:04.840 --> 00:42:08.159 it's Michigan State and UCLA. He wasn't going to take a few more visits, 582 00:42:08.199 --> 00:42:12.280 but now he just said he's going to take Washington and then be done 583 00:42:12.280 --> 00:42:15.760 with it and make a decision. So Michigan State is definitely a name to 584 00:42:15.800 --> 00:42:20.920 watch there. And then this weekend's kind of funny because the first two weekends 585 00:42:20.960 --> 00:42:29.039 I had graduation stuff for my son. He graduated high school. So so 586 00:42:29.199 --> 00:42:32.320 the first weekend we had commencement on Sunday, so I handed pretty much everything 587 00:42:32.360 --> 00:42:36.559 off to all my colleagues just because I was going to be there for that. 588 00:42:37.239 --> 00:42:40.400 And then last weekend Saturday, we had the open house, so I 589 00:42:40.440 --> 00:42:43.559 was still able to catch up with it, you know, but I still 590 00:42:43.559 --> 00:42:47.119 had some ties to that. But this week and I have absolutely nothing on 591 00:42:47.159 --> 00:42:52.719 my calendar, and Michigan State has one official visitor coming up, so this 592 00:42:52.880 --> 00:42:57.400 is the one weekend. Yeah, so this is the one weekend that I 593 00:42:57.400 --> 00:43:00.280 have nothing on the schedule really, and it's there one light weekend because the 594 00:43:00.320 --> 00:43:05.119 other weekends have all been in that eight to twelve, eight to ten range 595 00:43:05.159 --> 00:43:08.000 for visitors and this one's down to one. So that'll be interesting. I 596 00:43:08.039 --> 00:43:13.079 guess he'll get a lot of attention. Decor de graph a tight end out 597 00:43:13.079 --> 00:43:16.199 of California. I think that one also comes down to Michigan State in Washington 598 00:43:16.239 --> 00:43:20.599 for him. So but then the next weekend will be a big one. 599 00:43:20.599 --> 00:43:22.000 But I'm sure I'll be on your show before then, so we can talk 600 00:43:22.039 --> 00:43:28.840 about the twenty third that one. But yeah, so it's been kind of 601 00:43:28.920 --> 00:43:32.840 crazy. I think there is a lot of good positive vibes coming. I 602 00:43:32.880 --> 00:43:38.000 know, Jason, you were on campus with your sons and your wife on 603 00:43:38.039 --> 00:43:45.079 her birthday on Tuesday, and we had talked about privately that we've had heard 604 00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:49.880 a lot of things about mel Tucker really like zeroing in and there's kind of 605 00:43:49.880 --> 00:43:52.920 been a change to him where you're seeing him kind of get focused back in 606 00:43:53.760 --> 00:43:58.960 and at the camp yesterday I got to I probably spent thirty five forty minutes 607 00:43:59.039 --> 00:44:02.960 just talking to him. Uh, and that's the most comfortable my cats there, 608 00:44:06.239 --> 00:44:20.360 we won't Yeah, but like this is spartan, but yeah, but 609 00:44:20.400 --> 00:44:23.000 Tucker Love, I've never seen him that relaxed in like a public setting like 610 00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:27.119 that. It just he feels like he's more comfortable. And uh, I 611 00:44:27.119 --> 00:44:30.000 guess you could touch on it, Jason. Did he seem like more relaxed 612 00:44:30.079 --> 00:44:35.199 or more engaged or anything on your guys visit to or a different vibe I 613 00:44:35.199 --> 00:44:39.440 guess came off of him. Yeah, for sure. No, you know, 614 00:44:39.639 --> 00:44:44.880 like I mean, been normal since nineteen ninety five, so it's been 615 00:44:44.920 --> 00:44:49.039 a while. But yes, I think that the last you know, a 616 00:44:49.280 --> 00:44:52.599 couple of years, there was a little bit of there was a shift in 617 00:44:52.639 --> 00:44:57.320 the recruiting as we've seen, and now it's come back to where I think 618 00:44:57.440 --> 00:45:01.079 everyone's more comfortable in the building. And it showed and the way that the 619 00:45:01.440 --> 00:45:06.880 players that are coming in are responding to this. You know, obviously Michigan 620 00:45:06.920 --> 00:45:09.519 State has a lot to offer, but besides you know, Lamborghinis and and 621 00:45:10.320 --> 00:45:15.400 uh farm animals or whatever they call them, right, so so so it's 622 00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:19.840 it's getting back to the basics and and you know, being real with the 623 00:45:19.880 --> 00:45:22.360 players. That's the thing that comes through. Uh, like my own son 624 00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:27.719 saw and I've heard I hear that from other players. You know. What 625 00:45:27.760 --> 00:45:30.719 was very interesting to me was what you just talked about when you were at 626 00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:35.679 the camp and you saw the reaction right when anytime you see a reaction of 627 00:45:35.719 --> 00:45:39.119 a staff when they get someone, and it's that that's pure, just like 628 00:45:39.199 --> 00:45:44.960 when you saw Andy Reid, uh when he drafted some dude out of Texas 629 00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:49.039 Tech named Mahomes. I didn't know who it was, but the reaction in 630 00:45:49.079 --> 00:45:52.679 that war room was like, like us they won the Super Bowl, which 631 00:45:52.719 --> 00:45:54.840 they did twice, and then Brad Holmes like, if you think about that, 632 00:45:54.840 --> 00:45:59.480 if you're a Detroit Lions fan. This year, watching that war room 633 00:45:59.599 --> 00:46:04.400 with the NFL draft, when they selected Jremior Gibbs out of Alabama, the 634 00:46:04.480 --> 00:46:07.760 running back, it was almost like, you know, like he had a 635 00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:10.239 game winning shot in the NBA Final. You know when they celebrate like that 636 00:46:10.280 --> 00:46:15.320 when they get acquire a player or get a commitment, then you think this 637 00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:19.760 kid must be special. He's not even really on the radar as you're saying. 638 00:46:20.039 --> 00:46:22.039 You know, he didn't have that was like his first offer, you 639 00:46:22.039 --> 00:46:25.440 said, Michigan State back in April. And between April and today, that's 640 00:46:25.440 --> 00:46:31.280 only two months. He's gone from zero to how many offers fourteen and most 641 00:46:31.320 --> 00:46:36.280 of them are Power five. So it's not even like it's not no disrespect 642 00:46:36.320 --> 00:46:40.159 to the Charlotte forty nine ers there or some of those teams. You know, 643 00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:47.159 it's like they're legitimate offers, right, So there's there's something happening there, 644 00:46:47.199 --> 00:46:50.440 you know. And I know we look at numbers. That's not our 645 00:46:50.519 --> 00:46:52.760 job. Like there's people that are literally paid to manage the rosters and all 646 00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:55.320 that. That's what all they're focusing on. I know, we can say 647 00:46:55.360 --> 00:46:59.719 there's fourteen dvs. Look, man, these guys get paid a lot of 648 00:46:59.800 --> 00:47:02.440 money to follow this stuff and they're not like doing it by the seat of 649 00:47:02.440 --> 00:47:07.079 their pants. So you know that there's something good happening when you see reactions 650 00:47:07.079 --> 00:47:09.920 like that. And now you're starting to see the recruits start to commit. 651 00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:15.000 And as you know, Corey, guys like these things aren't on the whim 652 00:47:15.079 --> 00:47:20.280 decisions. These things are planned before they're announced. You know, these these 653 00:47:20.280 --> 00:47:23.239 guys have really been toiling over and thinking about it, and I think that 654 00:47:24.159 --> 00:47:30.800 the way that they're going about it will have less of what Otis talked about 655 00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:35.239 guys renigging and going somewhere else because they see something shinier and all that you're 656 00:47:35.239 --> 00:47:38.280 gonna because it's a more quality guy, more quality recruiting all the way around. 657 00:47:38.320 --> 00:47:43.280 In my opinion. You know, that's a that's a very very good 658 00:47:43.320 --> 00:47:45.960 point that you just made their stray talking about that quality. And I was 659 00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:50.480 gonna ask you that, Corey. You know, last year we saw, 660 00:47:50.639 --> 00:47:52.920 you know, like we all joke about it. Now we saw the Lambos, 661 00:47:53.000 --> 00:47:59.679 the g wagons, the Rose Royce, the Cane Corso's, the goats, 662 00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:07.039 the couches on the Spartan Stadium field. And this year it's more hone 663 00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:09.000 in. It's that quality time. You know, you saw I saw a 664 00:48:09.079 --> 00:48:13.400 video, you know, Coach Tucker giving each recruit a ride in the sling 665 00:48:13.480 --> 00:48:15.719 shot around campus and talking to them a little bit. You know, do 666 00:48:15.800 --> 00:48:19.599 you think you know, do you think that is you know, like you 667 00:48:19.639 --> 00:48:22.320 know, we all talk about that quality and you know Stray just said, 668 00:48:22.360 --> 00:48:24.400 you know, the glam, the glitz and everything you know will fade away. 669 00:48:24.440 --> 00:48:28.840 But do you think that's having an advantage? You know too, And 670 00:48:29.119 --> 00:48:31.639 do you think that also, you know, creates that sense of like you 671 00:48:31.679 --> 00:48:36.519 know, more like less pressure and you know more you know, Coach Tucker 672 00:48:36.559 --> 00:48:40.480 can be himself, his staff can be themselves. Yeah, I think I 673 00:48:40.519 --> 00:48:45.760 think that ties into what I was kind of talking about earlier and Jason confirmed 674 00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:51.239 just how the vibes are different. I feel like everything's more real, like 675 00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:55.519 mel is letting the guard down a little more, like he's like, you 676 00:48:55.519 --> 00:48:58.920 know what, yeah, we were five and seven last year and that's not 677 00:48:59.000 --> 00:49:01.280 good enough, but you know it is what it is I need, but 678 00:49:01.360 --> 00:49:05.440 he knows how to fix it. So I think you're seeing that also go 679 00:49:05.559 --> 00:49:09.159 into like the visits, the official visits, I know last year, like 680 00:49:09.280 --> 00:49:14.719 we heard you know, like Michigan State really pushed like for commitments while they 681 00:49:14.719 --> 00:49:16.920 were on campus. They're whatever last year. And that's not to say that 682 00:49:16.920 --> 00:49:20.440 they're not, you know, trying to get the kids to commit, because 683 00:49:20.440 --> 00:49:24.079 obviously that's their job, but it's more of like, you know, we 684 00:49:24.119 --> 00:49:28.840 don't need you to tweet it out now and do this. Go home, 685 00:49:29.199 --> 00:49:31.000 you know, sit on it for a minute if you need to, and 686 00:49:31.280 --> 00:49:35.519 you know, we got the graphic ready when you're ready. So I mean, 687 00:49:35.599 --> 00:49:39.559 Reggie Powers, he committed on the visit, so he waited till Wednesday 688 00:49:39.599 --> 00:49:42.920 to do it, but I mean that was never in question. It was 689 00:49:43.000 --> 00:49:45.519 just the matter of, you know, let it sink in, make sure 690 00:49:45.559 --> 00:49:52.760 you're you're doing the right thing. And Cameron Campbell he didn't. He didn't 691 00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:57.679 commit on the visit. He did it where he came home on you know, 692 00:49:57.840 --> 00:50:00.039 Sunday, and I think he's talking about Tuesday. He kind of sat 693 00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:02.719 down with the family because he got that feeling that he's like, this is 694 00:50:02.880 --> 00:50:07.719 where I need to be. So I think getting the commitments like that instead 695 00:50:07.760 --> 00:50:12.920 of the the pushing for them type where you know, you do it at 696 00:50:12.920 --> 00:50:15.719 the spur of the moment, but you don't think it through. So I 697 00:50:15.800 --> 00:50:21.599 think that'll help with the success rate overall up holding them. Yeah. Absolutely, 698 00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:25.119 And once again, this is Corey Robinson joining us on. This is 699 00:50:25.159 --> 00:50:30.480 Sparta MSU. Corey from two four to seven Sports, our local. This 700 00:50:30.679 --> 00:50:36.199 is Sparta Expert and insighter coming in there. Corey. We look forward to 701 00:50:36.199 --> 00:50:37.800 having you, you know, back on and you know, we talked about 702 00:50:37.800 --> 00:50:40.519 you know, hopefully you know, we can get you locked in for next 703 00:50:40.519 --> 00:50:45.280 week you know, and you know, and get your thoughts on this past 704 00:50:45.280 --> 00:50:50.239 weekend visit that that's coming into tight end from our California and then you know 705 00:50:50.280 --> 00:50:52.079 what's happened, what's in the hopper for next week and everything like that. 706 00:50:52.679 --> 00:50:57.679 Corey, appreciate you taking the time for joining us on. This is s 707 00:50:57.679 --> 00:51:04.000 PARTA MSU. Thank you, prettrecid you Corey anytime, guys see you guess 708 00:51:04.360 --> 00:51:07.159 yeah, all right, yeah, guys. I mean, look, that 709 00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:12.599 was great insight by Corey as always, and you know, I think that 710 00:51:12.719 --> 00:51:16.599 you know, we have to remember mel Tucker's from Cleveland. Man. You 711 00:51:16.639 --> 00:51:21.199 know, he ain't from Miami. He's not a flashy guy. He went 712 00:51:21.239 --> 00:51:24.400 to Wisconsin. He's from Cleveland. He's a blue collar guy. And that's 713 00:51:24.400 --> 00:51:29.639 really what Michigan State is. It's not a flashy school. We're not that. 714 00:51:29.639 --> 00:51:31.679 That's not what really we're about. We know that that kind of stuff 715 00:51:31.719 --> 00:51:36.239 sells tickets and it sell you know, you know, maybe gets clicks, 716 00:51:36.559 --> 00:51:39.760 but that's not how we are as a brand. You know, that Spartan 717 00:51:39.800 --> 00:51:43.920 helmet. I don't think that the three hundred those Spartans, you know, 718 00:51:43.960 --> 00:51:49.039 those guys the Battle of Thermopyla were flashy guys. You know, that was 719 00:51:49.039 --> 00:51:52.079 as gritty as a come right, and it's like one of those things. 720 00:51:52.039 --> 00:51:54.519 He's eighteen fifty five. You had to fight and scratch and cloth for every 721 00:51:55.239 --> 00:51:59.639 inch, and that's the way it's gonna be, and we just have to 722 00:51:59.679 --> 00:52:02.519 embrace absolutely. I feel like when you were talking about that, like that 723 00:52:02.679 --> 00:52:12.199 scene three hundred and hey, what's your profession? You know, I'm a 724 00:52:12.280 --> 00:52:19.280 shoe. That's awesome the amount of times we played that right in the stands 725 00:52:19.280 --> 00:52:22.519 in the stadium, and then the amount of time played that movie and team 726 00:52:22.800 --> 00:52:29.559 movie time, like, it's good to hear Butler. Yeah, yeah, 727 00:52:30.039 --> 00:52:31.440 yeah, yeah, I think you know, it's one of those things where 728 00:52:31.480 --> 00:52:35.199 it's just getting back to basics. You know, overall, you got and 729 00:52:35.199 --> 00:52:38.280 it's and it goes back to the fundamentals blocking and tackling. That's all it 730 00:52:38.320 --> 00:52:42.519 comes down to. You know, when when you're doing this, and we 731 00:52:42.599 --> 00:52:45.880 saw coach d had success when he you know, they kept their nose to 732 00:52:45.920 --> 00:52:49.760 the grindstone. They were on the road. They recruited guys with chip on 733 00:52:49.800 --> 00:52:53.039 the shoulders, guys that wanted to be here. And to Corey's point, 734 00:52:53.079 --> 00:52:57.079 you know, he drew a good point there saying, you know, last 735 00:52:57.119 --> 00:53:00.639 year they were really asking for guys to make commitments, you know, while 736 00:53:00.679 --> 00:53:06.000 they were on campus and sometimes as as a young man seventeen years old, 737 00:53:06.119 --> 00:53:08.920 eighteen years old, that's unfair to a kid, you know, because that 738 00:53:09.000 --> 00:53:13.800 pressure that's been there otis you felt that pressure. You know, you you 739 00:53:14.199 --> 00:53:15.400 got you got a dilemma. You got a dilemma, and it's like, 740 00:53:15.519 --> 00:53:19.159 you know, you're either with you know, given, or we're gonna look 741 00:53:19.159 --> 00:53:22.639 at someone else. You know, that's not fair at times to a seventeen 742 00:53:22.719 --> 00:53:24.199 year old kid to be put on the spot. And I think that is 743 00:53:24.280 --> 00:53:29.280 why we lost so many people because they just felt it was the thing to 744 00:53:29.320 --> 00:53:32.000 say and then they could continue to go on. Yeah, I agree with 745 00:53:32.039 --> 00:53:35.719 you on that it's like we're not gonna chase Like, we're not gonna chase 746 00:53:35.760 --> 00:53:38.000 you, like, we're gonna show you who we are. And you got 747 00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:42.119 to make the grown up decision, big boy decision and say hey, like 748 00:53:42.239 --> 00:53:45.519 till you said. Cameron Campbell meets with his family and says, I need 749 00:53:45.559 --> 00:53:51.679 to be here, like I this is where I see myself playing, you 750 00:53:51.679 --> 00:53:53.920 know, three to four years right, And so I think that's a true 751 00:53:53.920 --> 00:53:59.119 testament from last year to your point. We're not the g wagon school, 752 00:53:59.199 --> 00:54:01.679 Like we're not like showing you like, yeah, it's good, you ain't 753 00:54:01.679 --> 00:54:05.440 gonna get that car coming here, like you know, right out the jump, 754 00:54:05.519 --> 00:54:07.960 So like why are we showing you that? Right? Like we're gonna 755 00:54:07.960 --> 00:54:10.239 beet General Motor Cars and for it, like we're gonna get you these cars 756 00:54:10.280 --> 00:54:14.559 now. But you know, this is this is the line, This is 757 00:54:14.599 --> 00:54:17.239 the Simbly line. This is grit. This is the grit over the mindset 758 00:54:17.280 --> 00:54:22.559 of just being gritty and tough, Like we need those guys that's gonna come 759 00:54:22.559 --> 00:54:24.719 in and go through brick walls and like, I think we got two guys 760 00:54:24.800 --> 00:54:28.199 like that, And I'm looking forward to kind of deep diving and getting to 761 00:54:28.199 --> 00:54:30.079 know them a little bit more. And you know, I think it's great 762 00:54:30.079 --> 00:54:34.960 that we should probably get them on this show to talk about it, because 763 00:54:35.239 --> 00:54:37.199 they need to know. Man, Tuck, Tuck and staff are doing a 764 00:54:37.239 --> 00:54:44.199 different approach and bringing these kids in and showing them that this is who we 765 00:54:44.239 --> 00:54:45.920 are. And we already got that from straight too, So you know, 766 00:54:49.199 --> 00:54:52.119 absolutely, and you know what this whole thing, what this whole thing, 767 00:54:52.199 --> 00:54:55.239 you know, and these kids have to realize, and us as fans, 768 00:54:55.400 --> 00:54:59.880 us as former players, we have to all realize and accept. It's a 769 00:55:00.079 --> 00:55:02.519 process. You know, you got to go through the entire process, and 770 00:55:02.559 --> 00:55:06.320 you got because at the end of the day, you're you're hoping, you're 771 00:55:06.480 --> 00:55:08.800 hopefully making a commitment for the next four years of your career. So you 772 00:55:08.880 --> 00:55:13.880 have to make the best decision for you. You have to explore all opportunities 773 00:55:13.880 --> 00:55:15.599 and possibilities. And I tell these kids, you know, stuff it's not 774 00:55:15.679 --> 00:55:20.400 you know, don't commit too early. Make sure it's the right field, 775 00:55:20.440 --> 00:55:23.559 make sure it's the right fit for you. You know, we all you 776 00:55:23.559 --> 00:55:27.199 know, you're not proposing three times. You know you want to do it 777 00:55:27.239 --> 00:55:30.639 once, you know, but you know, make sure it's the right fit 778 00:55:30.679 --> 00:55:35.639 for you, without question. Man, I agree with wholeheartedly. You're not 779 00:55:35.679 --> 00:55:37.679 seeing a lot of that around the United States the country right now, a 780 00:55:37.679 --> 00:55:42.280 lot of flash stuff, especially the guys who you know, the programs, 781 00:55:42.760 --> 00:55:45.920 who are you know at the top, you're in, you're out and not 782 00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:47.639 doing that. You don't need to do that. And I think that Michigan 783 00:55:47.679 --> 00:55:52.599 State, being true to themselves will will win in the end always over trying 784 00:55:52.639 --> 00:55:55.599 to become something that you are. This is we all know that, right 785 00:55:55.880 --> 00:55:58.880 You don't want to be something. You can't be something that you're not. 786 00:55:58.960 --> 00:56:01.199 You's got to be yourself. And I love what Male is doing right now. 787 00:56:01.239 --> 00:56:05.679 Guys. It's it's gonna pay dividends in the future, the near future. 788 00:56:06.400 --> 00:56:15.039 Absolutely. Well, guys, you forgot your transition again. I'm gonna 789 00:56:15.039 --> 00:56:16.159 wrap it up. I'm gonna wrap it. I'm gonna see I was gonna 790 00:56:16.159 --> 00:56:20.079 see the show was gonna let me wrap it. I saw you. I 791 00:56:20.119 --> 00:56:22.400 was saying, Man, I'm sitting bad way go ahead, just all right, 792 00:56:22.400 --> 00:56:24.679 guys. So well, first, we want to thank our guests from 793 00:56:24.760 --> 00:56:29.079 the show. We want to thank Jesse from on three and and of course 794 00:56:29.280 --> 00:56:34.400 you know I always want to thank our residents. Insider Corey Robinson from two 795 00:56:34.400 --> 00:56:38.159 for seven Sports uh for Otis Wiley and Jason Story Him. I am Ju 796 00:56:38.280 --> 00:56:45.519 Caulcrick Until next time, Pound Green, Pound and go Green, Go White, 797 00:56:45.719 --> 00:56:57.280 Go White. 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