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this is the UFO Chronicles podcast. Tonight's guest is Matt in Colorado, and
he has two UFO signs to share with us. He had been living all
summer in his RV when he witnessed a close up UFO over the Mountain Ridge.
Matt is also an experienced small airplane pilot, so he's more than familiar
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Now on the show. Hello, Matt, Welcome to the show. Well,
thank you, Nick. It's great to be on herd your show.
In the past, I asked and enjoyed it. Good stuff. It's great
to have you with us today. And you'll call in from Colorado. Yeah,
Colorado, United States, don't tell anybody, but it's the best state,
and don't tell them because we don't want them all moving here. I've
heard, I've heard. Now, Matt, you have some experiences you're going
to your share. Would you like to start at the beginning, please,
sir? Yeah, and just I'd like to throw a couple little sort of
background stuff out there so it sets the context. I'll try and keep that
a little bit short and try and get to the experience. I think it'll
help people sort of understand it a bit better or maybe answer some questions before
they come up. So, yeah, this I was always interested in UFOs
my whole life. At the time this happens, which is the summer August
of twenty twenty two, I'm fifty five years old. So I'd been interested
in UFOs for decades and always wanted the sea one, wish for, prayed
for seeing one, never saw one my entire life, and so that's the
backstory. So it's not like I've had a lot of sightings in my life.
This is the first one. And so yeah, this takes place in
the state of Colorado, pretty much in the middle of the state where the
Colorado Rockies go through and pretty high up in the Rockies. So the location,
I'm not going to be too specific, but it's like a mountain subdivision.
Not too many houses up there. It's this is not a town.
We're not in the city. And the elevation where I'm at is nine three
hundred feet, so for people that want to think meters are on that system,
you know, that's probably three one hundred meters. So it's pretty high
up there, high alpine, you know, pine trees, aspen trees,
that sort of thing. And where I'm located is pretty much at the top
of this ridge and a dirt road is going through this little subdivision. There's
occasional cabins, but there's also a lot of vacant lots and people will come
park RVs on them or they haven't built a house on them yet. And
I parked on one of those lots in you know, a camp trail an
RV for the summer. So that's the location. I'll also say this place
that this area I'm at, this little subdivision, I did own a house
up there for twenty years and at the end of that lived there full time
for three years. Really just a mile up the road from where I'm park
so I'm very familiar with the location, the geography. You know, this
is not just a place I arrived at that night and didn't know the terrain
or anything like that. And I had spent the whole summer out there,
and I'm a trained private pilot, and so you know, I'm familiar with
aircraft. That'll tie into the story. And you know, so I watched
the planes fly around all summer and occasional helicopters, and so then to the
night of the sighting. Then I had been doing a radio shows that started
at eight pm, so it started before dark because it's summer and stays light
pretty late, and then ends at about ten pm, and so by now
it's dark. So for good cell phone reception, I had to get in
my truck and parked a little ways away from my camper because being in the
camper and some nearby trees, I didn't have cell reception. So that's the
that's the picture, that's the setting. I'm up high in the mountains,
I'm sitting in my truck, I'm facing south, my truck is facing south,
and I've just finished a radio show. I'm still sitting in my truck.
And then all of a sudden something catches my attention, not totally my
purifer, but to the left slightly of looking straight forward, and it's in
my driver's side mirror, okay, and I see this bright light, like
really bright. So this catches my attention. I'm like, what is that?
And so I look into the mirror at this light, and I can
tell from the angle that this is up in the air. This is not
a car behind me on the road, and it's just a bright white light.
This is not car headlights, so it's immediately kind of odd. And
I look at it for a second or two and I'm like, wow,
you know, what the f is that? And so I open the truck
door and I get out because obviously it's behind me, and I walk maybe
ten steps away from the truck and face it. I see this bright white
light, but it's moving very slowly, and I see in front of it
is a red light, but the white light is higher than the red light,
and it's moving out from behind these trees. So these are Douglas fir
trees. They're one hundred to one hundred and twenty feet tall. You know,
they're pretty old, pretty tall trees. So it's not above the trees,
so it's for the angle of view have it's two thirds of the way
up. So there's trees to my left hand side, which is where it's
coming out of or appearing from behind those, and then there's a clearing area
worth no trees, and so there's this leading red light, and then up
higher than that is a white light. And then as it continues to come
appear from behind these trees pretty slowly, then there's a green light in the
rear. And this green light is at the same level as the red light.
So if you imagine a triangle and basically a right triangle, and so
the angles would be forty five degrees on the two sides and ninety degrees at
the top up to this white light. And in the first it probably only
took one second in real time for my mind to do I guess this is
common. I didn't know about this at first, but my mind went through
this process very quickly of trying to figure out what the heck I'm looking at
right, So it's like a process of elimination. And so I started with
like airplane, and I'm like, no, it's way too low to be
an airplane, and it's not shaped like an airplane, and it's flying way
too slow to be an airplane. Airplanes camp fly that slow. So then
I go to helicopter. No, if it was a helicopter and that close
to me, I would hear it. You know. I sat up there
all summer and had helicopters fly over, and I hear them coming from five
miles away, and I hear them leaving for five miles and this is making
no sound whatsoever, totally silent like a helicopter. Then I'm start grasping at
straws at some kind of drone or something, and I'm like, no,
I've been around drones. Those things are really loud too, and there's no
sound, and it's bigger than a drone. So I've kind of gone through
and like I said, one second, I've eliminated all normal, regular aircraft
and explanations. So I realized I'm seeing something really bizarre and unique, and
so I have this idea pop into my head. Immediately, I need to
grab my cellphone, which I just used to be on the radio show,
but it's in my truck. Oh man, get the cell phone, you
know, take videos, get pictures. You got to document this. So
I turned to walk back to my truck to get the cell phone. I
take two steps and it was I don't know if it was a thought in
my head or a voice in my head, but it was like, no,
don't get the cell phone. Well, I'm the kind of guy that
pays attention to that sort of thing, so I'm like, okay. So
I turned back around and returned to looking at it. Now it's moving slowly,
and it's hard to estimate the distance, and you have to know the
distance to give you to estimate the speed. You know, something real far
away can be going fast, but it looks like it's moving slow. But
based on my distance calculations, it's going maybe eight miles an hour. And
so from my line aside, it looks like it's, you know, max,
two hundred feet in the air. With the angle, maybe it's above
the trees, but the trees are closer to me, so I'm seeing it
appearing to be behind the trees. So I'm I'm thinking it's two hundred feet
in the year, it's going about eight miles an hour. And then I've
done a lot of thinking, you know, in the more than a year
since, about how big it was and how far away. It was,
and my best calculations are that it was somewhere around eight hundred feet to one
thousand feet away, and my best guesses are dependent on that distance, that
it was somewhere between sixty feet across to perhaps one hundred feet across, you
know, in length, and it was probably thirty feet tall. So that's
my distance, speed and size. And then as I'm watching it now,
I know I'm seeing something really abnormal here, and you know, call it
UFO. I know at this point it's some type of let's say, anti
gravitic ship, right, anti gravity craft, And so because of that,
I'm trying to pay attention to every detail and everything about it and make a
very close observation. And I noticed, and I had noticed this earlier,
the front red light is sort of blinking, but I wouldn't call it a
blink. What it would do is it would sort of glow brighter, and
it would stay brighter for like a second or two more like two seconds,
and then it would slowly dim, but it would stay on. It never
went away. The top white light was constant. The rear light, the
green light did the same thing, and it was in unison with the red
light. So you have these slowly pulsing, increasing intensity glowing light. But
they didn't blink like an airplane. An airplane lights blink once per second,
and they kind of twinkle blink, blink, blink, blink. So it
was very different than an airplane light. And like I mentioned, being a
pilot, I know on an airplane you've got a green light on one wing
and a red light on the other wing. And that's so you can identify
when you're flying if a plane is coming towards you or flying away from you,
by which side the colored light is on right. So if the green's
on the right, it's headed at you, you better take a base of
action. If it's red on the right, you know it's fine. In
the opposite direction, you're not going to run into it, So that's why
they do that. Well, this is shaped like a triangle, so it
can't be a plane. You're not going to have one front and back.
Planes don't have that. So it continues across this opening in the trees there,
you know, call it a clearing, and so I have a clear
line of sight at it, and it is it maintains a completely horizontal path.
It's not going up or down it doesn't change speed. It seems very
obvious to me. It's one craft. It's not three different lights flying in
formation. It just moved as one thing, so it seemed like one thing
with three lights on it. I would assume the craft was, you know,
sort of pyramid shaped, and the lights were at the front, back,
and top. It was really dark that night, and the lights weren't
bright enough that it illuminated. If it was a solid ship, I couldn't
see the ship or craft right, I'm just seeing the lights. And now
I get to watch it. I've replayed it in my mind. I get
to watch it for probably a total of twelve seconds, which doesn't seem that
long, but it's one of those things where time slows down, like if
you're having a car accident or something that you know, or time dilation,
or like if you're having a dream and it time was dilated. So it
was really long in my mind, and that's actually a pretty long time to
have a sighting like this. Well, the reason that it ended was because
after this clearing, there's more trees which are on the other side of a
dirt road that's going vertically down this and so it goes behind those trees,
and I can still get kind of these flicker of lights as it goes in
between gaps in the trees, and so I proceed to walk after it and
see if I can keep following it or see where it goes, and I
lose sight of it. So that's pretty much the sighting itself in terms of
the pragmatic details. Now, one interesting thing I guess to share about it
from an experiential point of view was that when I first went out of the
truck and saw it, and after the one second where I went through the
alternatives and went, no, this is something very abnormal and unusual and unexplainable.
This interesting thing happened when I first thought to get my camera Nick,
I couldn't move. I wanted to go get my phone and camera, but
my feet were like glued to the ground. I'm not sure I could even
lift in my hand. It's like my body was paralyzed. I don't think
that was some effect of the ship doing something to me or anything. I
think it was a natural sort of fear response that humans have. You've identified
a predator or a thread or something you can't figure out, so you immediately
become motionless and you know, small animals will do that. They you know,
a mouse sees a hawk or a coyote and it'll freeze so it can't
be seen. So I had that sort of fear freeze reflex response, and
so that lasted like maybe one second. But I noticed that a little bit
at the time. But when I recalled the experience, it was more profound.
I was like, Wow, that was a really weird part of it.
And then I'm going to skip ahead here to another thing I found very
interesting about this experience, and that is, at the time it happened,
immediately after, I made a phone call and told friend or one of my
best friends would have just happened, and I mean, I had to tell
somebody, But after that I didn't tell anyone else for at least seven months.
But here's the really odd thing. I actually forgot about it or didn't
think about it, like it never occurred to me. I can't remember if
I thought about it the next day or two. I probably did. I
probably remembered it the next day and thought about it for a couple of days,
but then it just seemed to disappear from my mind. And I'm the
kind of guy I got a pretty good memory. This is an event I've
been waiting my whole life for. You would have thought I'd been thinking about
it a lot, maybe even telling some other friends or family member about it,
But it just disappeared from my content his mind, and I didn't think
about it for more than six months, and then one day it just popped
back in. I was like, Holy crid, Matt, you know you
saw UFO. How could you forget about that? And so then I told
my brother. And he's not the kind of person that's going to be a
naysayer or not believe me, and he's an open minded guy, so it's
not like I had any fear of telling him or another family member or a
different friend. I just for some reason forgot about it and didn't tell any
friends about it. And I've wondered about that, and I think it was
almost a repressed memory. Or when people have a traumatic event, you know,
maybe in childhood or something really intense happens to him, it becomes a
repressed memory. Your mind can't deal with it and can't explain it, and
doesn't want to deal with it, so it files it and buries it away.
And so that was an interesting part of the process and experience for me.
And then once I remembered it, I thought about it every single day
for months. I couldn't shake it. It was just really important for me
to remember it and contemplate it. It was. I didn't think it was
a particularly amazing sighting based on some you hear about and stuff. And then
I was listening to your show and listening to different sightings and experiences, and
I thought, you know, a lot of times people they see some cool
stuff, but it's more like lights in the sky, or they make interesting,
you know, unexplainable movements or things like that, but they're usually pretty
far away. And so I thought, you know, I had technically what's
called a close encounter of the first kind, which I guess part of the
definition is within by one hundred feet away, so I'm close on that at
eight hundred to one thousand feet. And so the other thing, like I
said, it was really low elevation, so it's close and fine low,
And I thought, maybe it's a more interesting sighting than I thought it was,
and perhaps a good one to share. And I, you know,
I had right about that time been listening to your show, and I thought
maybe I should contact Nick and see if he wants to have me on the
show and tell my story. And before I leave that story, because I
do have a second one that I would like to share too. Before I
leave that second that one to go to the second one, there's another really
weird part of that night of what happens. After I have the sighting,
I get back in my track. I'd call my friend to tell her,
and I'm all pretty excited, and I got adrenaline going through my body and
I'm telling her the story. And in the middle of that, I don't
know, five minutes into telling her, now I'm facing forward the opposite direction.
I'm sitting in my truck and I see this bright light appear in front
of my eyes that you could say it was like as big as a bright
star if you're looking at Venus or Jupiter, you know, total first magnitude,
so about that size, but maybe even a bit brighter. It's right
in front of me. But here's the weird thing, Nick, It's not
outside my truck. It's not in the sky. It almost appears to be
like at my windshield two or three feet away from me. You're two feet
away from me, So this bright light appears and then another one appears real
close to it, like a couple inches away, and then fairly quickly,
about five more appear. And this may sound weird, but it looked like
a geometric form, but not one you would recognize. There was seemed like
some math or geometry behind it, but it was a regular poly polygon or
you know, octagon or hexagon or something like that. But they seem to
be configured a certain way. And then but they're all stationary, and then
all of a sudden, in unison, they very quickly move, and in
relationship to each other, they all move and sort of form something different.
And this all happens very fast, and then they zoom street at me at
light speed if you picture Star Trek when they jump into warp speed, and
it's show and it just flies straight at me and either goes into my eyes
or through my head or something like that. And I'm still on the phone
with my friend, and I screamed, and I screamed as it was I
was seeing it. What is that? What is Oh? My god,
my god? And then when it did that thing and zoomed at me,
I screamed out loud and I started I was so shook it up. I
was breathing hard. I wouldn't say hyperventilating, but I was really freaked out.
And the interesting thing is I had a more intense reaction and was more
freaked out than by that then what I had just seen with the craft by,
you know, in the mountains, and I don't know what the heck
that was. I know, you know, there's this thing, you know,
I'm sure you're familiar or listeners are, with prana like life forks energy
that you see as little sparkling white lights almost looks like snow, and you're
kind of seeing perhaps etheric energy, and you're seeing it with you know,
what they call your third eye. But I've seen that since I was twelve
years old and seen it my whole life, and that's not at all what
this was. These lights were much bigger than anything I've ever seen with kind
of seeing energy third eye type thing. Yeah, I've never seen anything like
that. And how weird it was that this happens within eight minutes after seeing
a UFO. I don't know. I don't know what to make of that.
I can't explain it, but it's an interesting part of the story.
Now. I just want to give my tentative or analysis about what I saw
in terms of the craft I saw, and I contemplated this and gone back
and forth on it, and I know it wasn't anything normal aircraft type thing.
From its speed and lack of sound, I'm thinking it's an anti gravitic
craft. And so I'm going to go with two basic ideas would be this
would be an alien craft not from Earth, or this is a US government
reverse engineered anti gravitic craft. Okay, we could start with fifty to fifty.
But I have to wonder why if it was a government craft, they
would be flying low through the mountains at ten fifteen at night, you know,
doing practice drives with their craft in the middle of nowhere. I mean,
I'm so far from military bases and airports, and why would they be
doing that. And that's a pretty risky to be flying that low and through
the mountains. And I'm sure if they've got those things, which I think
they do, they're probably pretty expensive. I don't know that's possible. There
is in Colorado the nord you know, central command and control, you know,
for all our military, but that's on the whole eastern side of the
state. Could it have been a government craft that had flown out of you
know, that area, and we're flying around at night for whatever reason.
Yeah, that's possible. Could it have been an alien craft, Well,
certainly that's possible, And for a long time I just considered it was more
likely a government craft. I don't know why. Part of it was.
I actually tried to communicate with it telepathically and spoke something out loud. I
skipped this part of the story. I was trying to just describe the events
and physical details. But when I knew it was a UFO, I was
if you're beings of love and light and benevolent, you have my permission to
come closer to me, you know, come closer. But if you're not,
stay the heck away, and you do not have my permission, because
I'm like, I don't want to deal with these gray aliens and be abducted.
I don't like them. I'm of the mindset there's sort of good guy
aliens and bad guy aliens. So I made an invitation out loud and telepathically
to communicate with it, and I got no response. So at that point
I'm going either there were bad guys and stayed away, or it wasn't extraterrestrial,
so the telepathy didn't work, so maybe it was just a government craft.
So I don't know what it was. I'm not saying it was an
alien spacecraft. I certainly don't know, and I'm not making that claim.
I am very absolutely convinced it was an anti gravity craft for all the reasons
I said. So that pretty much wraps up that that story in my first
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and emergency preparedness needs. Interesting we look at the fact that there's a possibility
that I could have in government. There is some very strange stories which circlate
with government secret projects and especially abductions, that kind of thing. So you
know, you can never rule that out. But these lights that you saw,
that's the strange bit. These lights that you saw in front of your
cab after seeing the ship directly after, wasn't it. Yeah? Yeah,
it was eight ten minutes later when those lights came at you. Do you
remember feeling anything of unscreaming. Is there anything that you felt, Well,
they might have been I don't know if they were physically they're or not,
or I'm seeing them in sort of my mind's eye or interdimensionally or something like
that. I had the feeling I was seeing, I don't know how to
explain it, sort of a interdimensional energy coming into the third dimension and presenting
itself to me for some reason and either giving me a show or like a
blast of energy, or maybe some information like people talk about downloads. You
know, I had the feeling it was a visitation. Let me put it
that way. It was a visitation, a demonstration of visitation. I don't
know. You also didn't make the invitation, right, Oh, and you
know, maybe those were the benevolent They're like, oh, you just saw
a government craft, or maybe those were the gray aliens, but you made
the invitation to the benevolent beings. So here we are. We were in
the vicinity. Yeah. I did just recall two other tidbits I wanted to
mention. So this is almost the punchline of the story. So I mentioned
I had gotten off this radio show Troubled Minds. Shout out to Michael Strange
and Troubleminds dot Org. So they talk about paranormal stuff and a lot of
interesting topics on that show, which is why I'm on it. I'm interested
in that sort of thing. Well, that night's discussion had been somewhat about
the multiverse and sort of like things got into maybe aliens or interdimensional beings or
are there things like angels? And you know, it got off into that
kind of topics, and I had called into the show like I usually did.
Actually the show topic that night was kind of along those lines and in
particular about multi dimensional beings, which that was the majority of my call content
on the show. And so then fifteen minutes after the show, I have
a UFO side right, And then eight minutes after that, tying back into
what you just said, these lights in front of me kind of the windshield.
Maybe that was that sort of interdimensional beings that I had just been talking
about an hour before and maybe had like you said, I hadn't thought about
that. I appreciate you mentioning that that I had put out that invitation and
and maybe they they heard my call. Yeah you and you invited them.
Yeah, that's really interesting. You know some people that you know, they
would have they would have just really have mentioned by their first experience my cat
jumping on the desk, and a lot of people probably would have left out,
you know, seeing those those lights outside of the truck. Yeah,
you know, Nick, in thinking about you know, we took us a
couple of times and coordinate our scheduling for me being on. But in contemplating
what I was going to say in the order, and you know, sort
of planning it, I contemplated several times whether or not I wanted to or
was going to share that part of the story. And at first I was
going to leave it out, and then I thought, no, you know
what, Matt, that may be an important part of the story, and
so I think you should include it and let people think or make of it
or believe what they want about it. But I think it's an important part
of the story. It is important. Do you get that a lot?
And sometimes I'll get it while someone will come on and then they reach out
to me, maybe a couple of weeks later, saying I've left something out
right, But yeah, I I tell people, even if it's completely excused
upon an alien, what you've come on to say, there is something which
completely doesn't make any sense and the sounds completely outlandish. Include it because it
could have some relevance and it could be important. Right. Yeah, I'm
glad I did, And partly I'm glad I did because of you saying,
well you did put out the invitation, and I hadn't contemplated that that hadn't
occurred to me, and I think you might have something there, sir,
Well, that kind of is a wrap up my first sighting and my second
sighting is at daytime sighting. So Nick, I wanted to also share with
you my second UFO sighting, which kind of interesting. Waited my whole life
to have one, finally had one August of twenty twenty two, and then
this summer, I think it was probably June of twenty twenty three, I
actually had a second sighting and this was a daytime sighting. The little bit
of backstory was that I had gone to the store and come back and I
was listening to MPR radio and sometimes you get this what they called a driveway
moment. You're so engrossed in the story that you don't want to go in
the house, yet you want to finish listening to the story. So I'm
sitting in my truck, but I do the CE five Stephen Greer protocol,
where you you know, try and call in the UFO and you visualize your
location and give them the invitation. So I do that, but because I'm
sitting my truck and the grouses in front of me. I give them specific
instructions that, hey, you have to appear outside my driver's side window so
I'll be able to see it. You know, don't appear straight overhead.
I can't see it through the roof of my truck. And I sit there
for ten fifteen minutes, and you know, I don't see anything. So
I get out of my truck and end up going down to the other side
of the house and I'm sitting out on ports that's down there, and the
porch has basically I'm kind of in a corner of the ports that's close to
the house. So there's one wall going out west and one wall going out
north, so I basically have a ninety degree view of the sky and terrain
outside a little bit more maybe one hundred degree view. So I go and
I'm sitting down there, and I'm like, oh, I told him to
appear, you know, in the south. I better give him an update.
And so I kind of meditated and telepathically said, Okay, I've moved.
I'm down here. Now you need to appear out here where I can
see you. I'm guessing within five to ten minutes, and I'm looking,
I'm actively looking around, I'm being hopeful about it, and all of sudden
back up just a bit so I can see ninety degrees. I'm looking now
most of the way through that ninety degrees, so i'll just call it in
the middle. There's a juniper tree about ten feet in front of me.
All of a sudden, coming from behind the view of that tree. Appearing
from behind it comes this thing. So that's kind of the odd thing because
I have a lot of view to the left of that, and this thing
is big, So it would seem like I should have seen it before it
got to the tree and came out of the tree. I should have seen
it coming towards it and then seen it come out from behind it because I
was looking, I was paying attention, So it kind of seemingly comes out
of nowhere. Similarly, seems to be moving relatively slow. It's a bit
hard to describe accurately, but so I got to be general here in my
terms, But just to understand this is just the closest comparison I can come
up with. It basically looks like a really big jet like those military C
one transport or jets like those big huge ones that they open the back and
drive tanks into. I mean, this thing is big and it's fact it's
like really tall, so it's not thin like a commercial plane. Is the
fuselage of it, So it's it's you know, roughly airplane shaped. It
has a nose, but it's like really blunt, not sharp like a commercial
plane. And I don't know exactly what the shape of a C one would
be on the nose, but as a blunt nose, this really fat,
tall fuselage and this thing is huge. So I'm up on a hill about
eight hundred feet over the city. So this is a totally different location than
my first siding. I'm not up in the mountains. I'm down in town,
so I'm maybe I'm up on a ridge eight hundred feet above the sea,
and this is about only halfway across the city, so it's only two
miles away from me. It's directly pretty much straight in line with my view,
which tells me it's maybe five to seven hundred feet flying over the city,
which is really really low, and it's flying over like downtown area.
It's not over at the airport or anything like that, really low, going
really slow, and because of the distance and size. If this was a
C one, it would have been much smaller in compared to the size that
I'm seeing appearing to see it would be like three times as big as one
of those. Now I don't see any wings, but I've got a straight
on view, so if I had wings like an airplane, I probably couldn't
have seen them at that angle. And then I notice it has a tail
like the tail of a jet, except there's something really odd about it.
It's really tall, three times taller, three or four times taller than what
a plane's tail would be. And then it's wider, meaning it goes from
the back towards the front longer than usual, so it's got this huge,
you know, triangular tail on it. And then I'm also immediately noticing this
thing is making no sound, nick, and I can't hear any other planes.
I can't hear any other jets. How could I be seeing this thing
that's the size of a giant military plane two miles away from me, maximum
six hundred feet off the ground and not hear the war of a massive jet
engines. That's just impossible. And it also, like I said, is
you know, it's fine along pretty good, but it seems to be going
pretty slow. And then the coloring of it was unusual, somewhere like a
dark tan to gray. So keep in mind, it's big enough that if
it had like a tail, numbers or markings or windows, I would have
clearly been able to see them. I had none of that, No windows,
no markings, no colorings or you know, two toned white on top
and blue on bomb. It was just this one solid color. And as
it's moving, I know I'm going to lose sight of it as it goes
behind the wall of this porch of the house that I'm kind of sitting back
in the corner, So I immediately stand up before it goes behind that,
so I can keep my eye on the thing. Right and prolonged the sighting,
I stand up and go to the edge of the port so I'll be
able to maintain my view of it, and I keep my eyes on it
the entire time. I never take my eyes off it. And it continues
for you know, another four seconds that I can see it or so,
and at that point it does this turn away from me. It would be
making a left hand turn headed towards the north, but there was something odd
about this turn, and the way it moved, and it's really hard to
describe because it doesn't make any sense in terms of a plane or how things
normally fly. It seems like it kind of somehow curves, but it's moving
more like diagonally. It's changing its direction slowly, but it's it's not making
a curve. I don't know if that makes any sense. It's going a
little bit left and a little bit forward and a little bit left on it
more like a straight diagonal than like if it was a plane that tipped its
wings and is making a slow, gentle curve. So it's turning, but
not in a normal fashion. So it does this turn and the other odd
thing. When I've thought about this before, I still don't see wings.
And if it was a plane and made this pretty sharp turn, I should
have seen the wing closest to me pop up into the air right, But
that doesn't happen, and maybe the furthest wing away from me go down.
But I never see wings. And now at that point it's engined, should
be facing me and blasting me, and then it vanishes, boom gone.
It just disappears, and I'm looking at it. I haven't lost sight of
it. It's still really big. It didn't go behind anything. It's a
clear day, it's close up, and it just vanished. And I looked,
and I kept looking, and I'm like, is it that disappeared in
the sun went away from the light? It's going to reappear. And I
stood there and looked and looked, and I'm like, no, it's gone.
So I immediately actually kind of jogged back to my cellphone sitting on the
table there, and I picked it up, and I brought up that app
called flight Radar twenty four that you can track the airplanes on. And so
I immediately and it was already on my local area. And so I look,
and there's no airplanes over the valley whatsoever. I can see there's a
couple on the ground at the airport, which is further to the north,
and I see one private plane that's all the way across the valley that's heading
towards me and towards the airport. I actually, after the thing disappeared,
I actually heard that private plane in the distance. So I verified with flight
radar that there were no airplanes in the sky over the valley at that time.
And I was just like, what was that? My brother was home.
I met was staying at my brother's house, and later that afternoon,
forty five minutes later, I said, man, I just saw another UFO.
He's like, what do you see? And I told him and he's
like, huh, that's weird. And there was another thing that really tell
anybody about or think that much about for a while, almost like the first
one, sort of disappeared from my memory because my brain just couldn't compute it.
It still can't. It doesn't know what to do with it. It
doesn't make sense. I can't explain it, so it doesn't want to think
about it, and it's just no, no, we can't make sense of
it, don't want to think about it. So that was my second sighting
another interest in one a few Yeah. What was cool about that one to
me was one i'd been doing the CE five protocol had had freaking worked.
And on that note, I had learned about it five six years before the
C five protocol, and I had tried it a few times and it never
worked, and so I kind of was like eh, and got a little
frustrated. I'm like, it might work for some people, doesn't work for
me. Interestingly, this summer before when I had my first sighting in early
summer, like June and July, I had actually done the CE five protocol,
probably at least two maybe three times, but again it never worked.
But I don't know if maybe I did it early and they showed up late
they were like, ah, you gotta wait till August. But then,
because I had had a sighting and for some reason I don't know, wanted
another one or something, I had done the protocol and told them exactly where
to appear, and then I see this thing that I I can't describe now,
don't know what the heck to make of the thing. Coincidence, nick,
I did the C five protocol and you know, twenty thirty minutes later
see this bizarre thing. And the other thing about it, of course,
is it was a total daylight sighting. You know, there's not lights in
the sky. This is a weird cigar shaped thing with a huge tail.
And if they had wings like an airplane, I shirt didn't. In so
well, you know, I don't really believe in coincidence. It's very possible
possibly summoned something, but that isn't a strange object. Did you think of
the time to pull either of these, you know, after the first sighting,
I did think to report it to move On, you know, I
wasn't going to like call the local sheriff or anything. And then I checked
out the move On website and because I also wanted to investigate how many sightings
we have around in the area and the valley where I saw the second sighting.
We actually get a lot of UFO sightings around here, and it's not
that big of a population. Maybe one hundred thousand people live here, and
our local UFO Facebook group as like fifteen thousand members. Wow, and like
everybody's like, we see them around here all the time. And interestingly,
you're probably familiar with Skinwalker Ranch. We're probably as the crow Flies seventy miles
away from that, you know, so we're kind of in a not too
far from kind of some hotspot paranormal UFO activity area. But when I looked
up Moufon, I was really disappointed in trying to check out sightings in the
area. Their stuff was six months old, they had one month of data,
it didn't have details. I was like, what happened to your online
database? And I'm like, if you're not going to put your stuff out
to people, nobody's going to see my report, and so I thought about
maybe the other organization, the like National UFO Reporting Network, I might you
know, go to them, but no, I haven't done any reports on
it. And on the first setting, I'd like to go back up there
to that area and take photographs of exactly where I saw it and do some
measurements and calculations, and then I can also do like a use a photoshop
at and take the actual photo and then put in the lights so you could
see like the size and the position instead of doing like a hand drawing.
And I do want to add on that first one where it was flying because
I'm kind of on a ridge. It does kind of drop down into a
valley there and drops down maybe eight hundred feet, but that valley's really narrow,
so I think that craft was actually flying up that very narrow valley,
so you know, it wasn't necessarily two hundred feet above the ground. It
was two hundred feet above me. So maybe there's one thousand feet above the
ground, but it was much closer to the edge of the valley that I
was on than like flying down the middle of the valley, and that valley
is so narrow at the bottom, you could throw a rock from one side
to the other. I mean that it's not like a broad valley. So
yeah, I haven't made any reports yet, but I thought about doing drawings
for both of them and maybe doing some reporting. Yeah, it's important,
you know, if anyone has a sight in just report it. I mean,
I understand about mof ON. A lot of their information can be difficult
to get hold of. If you're a member, then obviously that's a little
bit different. My preferred organization is the National UFO Reporting Center. Peter Davenport
does a great job with that. And plus you know, you can check
the area. You can check if there's any recent sightings around there or the
roughly the same time as you had your own sighting. So I kind of
prefer it in a way, and it's never too late, even if your
site, in your experience, was thirty years ago. Just report it because
there could be someone else out there which is also trall in the databases and
trying to make it maybe maybe a connection to their own sighting. Not just
handy for people, but it's also handy for researchers that are also trying to
dig up some information too. Yeah, I was talking about how much activity
and settings we have in this valley and that I live in. And you
know, this summer, Nick, I would sit out at night on the
same porch and got a great view out there, and I would see these
lights. I can't explain. They just appeared like I'm sitting there looking at
the sky and a bright light would appear like a star out of know where.
It would just light up and real bright, venus bright and one second
one thousand and one and then just fade out, gone. And then five
seconds later, a short distance away in the sky, another one would do
that. And then yeah, two seconds later another one light up, and
then maybe fifteen twenty seconds later another one would light up. They never stayed
lit, they didn't move. They kind of all appeared in different areas,
but well in the scene general area, but not in the same position.
And I watched that every single night for maybe ten days, and then it
stopped, and I'd go out there every night of summer and I never saw
it. Also seemed to happen at the same time around ten thirty, but
it's not something I can probably get a good video of. And then if
I did, what are you going to see a black sky and then a
little white light appears. People be like, oh, photoshop, bake,
doctor cgi. I mean, it's not going to show anything. So I'm
like, yeah, okay, that's weird. Probably I don't know. I
wanted to see if there's some weird thing where sometimes satellites will reflect the sun
but they're spinning, so then they go on and off. But I don't
think that fits. But yeah, it's almost common around here. You kind
of get put into a different bracket than just your regular observer because you have
aircraft experience and you do have a knowledge of aircraft recognition, so you kind
of know what you looking at. You understand about distance and how things can
be confused, and you know, we know seeing things at angles and the
certain lighting conditions. Yeah, and I you know, I studied astronomy.
I know my stars really well. So I'm out. You know, I
can be out at night and there's like a bright light and I'm like,
oh, that's venus. You know, Oh that's stupid, or oh that's
serious. You know, it's kind of blinks and changes colors and it's got
some red shift and appears to wobble. A lot of people that think they're
seeing a UFO. They're they're seeing serious. So I know my sky pretty
well. And also I actually had a NASA scholarship in college and had space
studies and got to go to a couple of different NASA centers. I got
to see the Mars Rover, one of the Mars rovers before it went to
bars, and got to stand fifteen feet away from it. I keep up
on you know, astronomy and NASA stuff, and so I'm pretty aware of
like saddles and you know, the space station and star links. So I
try to be pretty rational and methodical and rule things out before I just jump
to the inclusion, Oh there's a UFO. There's a UFO. It's an
alien ship, you know. I try to think about what I'm seeing and
go through a checklist and figure it out. I thought I was seeing,
well, something I didn't understand so and couldn't identify, and I thought it
was a UFO, And after a couple of days of studying it and seeing
it multiple times, I was able to determine it's a satellite. But I
was kind of excited about this day. Oh I think I'm seeing another UFO.
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ew It's the x x X. People have to realize, you know,
I mean, there are so many satellites up there at the minute, and
it seems to be the SpaceX just pumping another twenty four, another twenty four
every couple of days, so that you know there's a lot of activity up
there, but sound like it's just continue moving. They going one straight linear
path. When people see lights which I think is a satellite, and then
it goes off and makes a strange turn. It goes off at a different
angle, chances are that that wouldn't be a satellite. Change speed makes ninety
degree terms, Yeah, that's not a satellite. Definitely not a satellite.
And I know there is some very bright satellite. I know there's another satellite
that's gone up within the last year. I forget the name of it,
but I know it's a lot brighter than the ISS, because when the ISS
comes over that's very bright. It looks like it's very low, especially if
you've never seen it before. But again, if it's moving on a linear
path, chances I will be a satellite. Yeah, this when I was
observing a little interesting. First of all, like I said, I have
a habit of hanging out on this porch and stargazing, and so I'm real
familiar with, you know, the stars that are up there and used to
the scene and you know, you get to recognize them and things like that.
And this one I started seeing maybe a week ago, just a week
ago. I'm like, uh, that's not a star. That doesn't belong
there. And I was seeing it, you know, in early nighttime,
and that's not usually there. That's not a star. I don't know what
that is, but it seemed to be really stationary. It wasn't moving at
the speed of satellite would and so that's why I was curious about it.
I'm like, it's not a star and not moving like a satellite or the
space station. So that's what got me real curious about it. And then
because it appeared repeatedly at the exact same location, I was like, Okay,
maybe this is a geostationary satellite. But then it was weird. When
I got up early for the show this morning, I saw it and it
was a bit higher, but it was you know, if you went straight
down vertically, it was in the exact same position, so longitude would be
exactly the same, and the brightness was same, and I was, Oh,
there's that satellite. And I'm like, wait a minute. It's five
o'clock in the morning, and usually I see that thing even lower at ten
o'clock at night, so that that can't be if it's a geostationary satellite.
So if it's a satellite, it's not geostationary. But then I continued to
watch it and monitor it, and it's not going at normal satellite speed,
so I'm considering that it's sort of like a you know, a spy satellite
or a mapping satellite, so it's in this interesting speed to where you know
it's mapping. So at one time it might be over the United States during
the day and one time at night or different times of the day. And
I did recently hear I think North Korea just put up a satellite, I
don't know, three four days ago or something. I don't know if it's
a coincidence, but it seems to me it's probably a military satellite. Yeah,
there is a lot of stuff going out put them in it. Not
all the satellites are in the same height, are they? Some are way
further right, some have lower orbit. When you mentioned flight Radar twenty four,
which is one of my favorite apps, I should really put this as
a list of apps to use on the website. But to those a listeners
that don't know. If you've seen something in the sky and you want to
make sure it's not a plane or a helicopter, download flight Radar twenty four.
It is a good app and I've been using it for years. With
the free version, you can actually go back in time I think about maybe
two to three weeks. So if you saw something last Saturday at a certain
time, put in the details, and then you can look back. I
think for the paid version you get months. I think in itself is a
great app. And then at least that way you can say, you know,
it's not a plane. Of course, some military lights they won't necessarily
be registered on this app. And I think some police helicopters I won't show
up sometimes, so that's one thing to keep in mind. Another good app
is the sky Tonight. I was asked about this the other day, and
you can basically just hold it up and whichever direction you point it would tell
you what's in that direction. So it's how you know where the moon is
and you get to learn a little bit. Yeah, those those are two
great ideas. And if you hadn't mentioned the you know, star Treker apps,
star map things, I was just about to mention it, because those
are the two things that if you're interested in UFO stop or even if you're
not, they have those on your phone. They're free. And then if
you see something you know, you can you know, Like when I had
my daytime sighting, I was I was on my cellphone looking at the plane
activity within fifteen seconds, so I could rule out that it was a jet
or any aircraft. But between the two, you see a light in the
sky and you can, you know, you put up this star treker thing
and let's say it's not moving, and you point it right at it,
and it's like, oh, that's Venus. The funny story of they had
I don't know in the last year. I think they had a major blackout
in Los Angeles and the police station got flooded with like a thousand calls of
this UFO report, you know, so it turns out, of course it's
Venus. But they have such bad light pollution in the city there. The
people had never seen Venus, so they thought it was a UFO. It's
understandable. I mean, even if you go into the the you know,
the really really old UFO books from the seventies and eighties, even before that,
you know, that's the near enough the first thing on the list,
check it's not Venus, because it could be what you're seeing is Venus.
A lot of people, you know, they have no interest in this guy,
you know, not necessarily saying that. People always looking at their phones
and focused on something else. I don't think people look up like they used
to, and people that live in the city, you don't see the stars
because of the pollution and that so when you know, when you do get
a lot of reports, people are generally seeing something which you know is usually
pretty natural or man made. I said, is an understandable it does happen,
But there is a percentage of these sightings which have absolutely no explanation,
right, And you know, that's probably a message I would like to get
out to people is look up, look up more, look at the sky,
and even sometimes in the day. It's surprising the number of daytime UFO
sightings, but you know, look up at night. I enjoy the stars,
and you know, or get out of town and enjoy them, or
or even if you can't see the stars, hang out in your backyard in
the summer and look up, because if you can't see the stars and you
see some bright thing when you can't see these stars. Okay, But the
thing I've noticed is after my first sighting and then spending this whole summer doing
a hack of a lot more looking up and sky watching. Man, I've
seen a ton of stuff and you're starting to you kind of start to get
the idea, like, man, these things are flying around all the time.
We just don't notice them because we're not looking, and everybody's looking at
their cell phones and hanging out inside and nobody's out looking at the night sky.
Yeah. I think they're more more common than you might think, and
you've got a better chance of seeing one if you're looking up. Yeah.
Absolutely, But I do think probably preaching to the convert already, because you
know, listeners to the show, I guarantee that's exactly what they're doing.
I must I do say that at the end of the show, keep watching
the skies every week, which I must add I got that from from the
nineteen fifties black and white film The Thing, Keep watching the skies, right
right. Someone did ask me about that the other day. Our listeners,
you know, I'm sure just about all of them will spend their time,
you know, when they go out dog walking, or they you know,
they're on the on the way to work early in the morning, in taking
a look up, taking the sky in. I reckon. Those are my
two tails and two experiences I'm thankful for. I don't know quite what to
make of them. But like a lot of people say that I've had a
sighting is you know, I know what I saw, and it may not
be that you know exactly what you saw, but you know what it was
not. No, if one in an airplane, you know, it's like,
I know what I saw. You don't have to believe anymore. You
know, if you haven't seen one, you've got to kind of believe in
it or think maybe it's true or probably true or whereever you're at. Well,
once you've seen one, had your experience, you're like, Okay,
now I know I don't have to believe or take it on faith. Now
I know when you hear other people's accounts, now you're not just kind of
taking a face value. You are thinking, chances are this is what they
saw. Right. Well, finally in the day and age where you know,
the US government and public congressional hearings that come out and been like,
yep, they're real, and yeah, we got them on video with multiple
sensors, and that is indeed our video. You know, the go fast
and the gimbal and the ticktaut and there are other reports and they're just like,
yeah, we don't know exactly what they are, but they're a thing.
And so when the US government that's covered it up and won't say crowd
about it, for seventy years finally comes out and says, yep, it's
a thing well that even the most skeptical person or you know, can start
going, okay, there's something here. Now. The people that used to
be the you know, crazy as their tinfoil hats or got a hard time
for telling their stories to get taken more seriously, and there's not as much
being scared to tell it or being scorned or ridiculed. It's more acceptable and
normal, and that's a good thing that encourages people to come out and talk
about these things. You know. There's a great story, amazing experience that
a guy had fifty years ago and never told him body. Yeah, he
was just afraid I was going to be treated and then he finally since society
has changed warmed up, he was like, okay, I guess I could
tell my story with that being considered a weird on that then that's exactly what's
happened. I've had new listeners come into the show which had no interest in
it before, and yes, as soon as the government came out saying all
this, and it's then becoming a little bit more acceptable and people which weren't
really interested in the subjects you know, and now talking about it. So
it is a good thing. I think things are probably going to be continue
being as slow as they are. Every week there seems to be a new
revelation that's coming out, someone else that's whistleblowing. There's definitely something that they're
hiding, and I think, you know, it goes, you know,
straight to the top. There's a lot of factions involved and a lot of
secrets which i'd imagine people don't really want let out. There's another country other
than the United States or the UK that is going to come forward and be
a lot more open about, you know, possibly things that they have.
I think in turn that the US will have to come out to do their
best to come out first, because you don't want to be someone that's coming
out second. If you understand my drift right kind of reminds me of you
know, the space race between the States and the old Soviet Union. That's
exactly what that was. It was it was important to be first. Yeah,
and you know, along those lines of what you're talking about. I
don't know if you've heard this, but so in the United States, in
this year's defense budget authorization, which got delayed for you know, political reasons,
but is just about to be passed or it's right around this time,
or they got to get it done. And I've actually read the parts of
it that they have a whole section of new leddation that's like literally it's entitled
UAP Disclosure. And so it's all about really having this legislated program and putting
into law that military people with inside knowledge of like reverse engineering, downcraft all
that stuff, have the materials, know where the materials are, or even
into subcontractors, you know, that work with the government and they firm this
stuff out. You're free to come forward and tell us this stuff and we'll
give you protection. But then it also mandates that if they have this knowledge,
they're required by law to inform Congress and say, yeah, I know
about this stuff. I worked on this reverse engineering program, or I work
at a company that has this exotic material, you know, or whatever,
like they and be panalized and put in jail and stuff if they don't.
And so they get this like I think it's a ninety day grace period,
and so it's like you got a free pass to come forward and we're going
to protect you, and you get immunity and everything. Like that. I
don't remember if it's three months or six months. And then after that,
if you haven't and you continue to withhold it, you're breaking the law.
And I think they want to use that to get some whistleblowers and find out
where some of this stuff might be, because I think they pretty much want
to go in and repossess it and be like this government property, it shouldn't
be stored a Lockheed Martin or wherever. Right, But it's a very slow
thing, like it goes into effect next year and then or are the general
legislation does. It doesn't apply until twenty twenty four, and then these lauses
on the up disclosure doesn't start until three months or six months into the year,
and then they get this six month grace period and like so the actual
fruits of that really aren't going to be I think until the beginning of twenty
twenty five. But they're actually writing this stuff into laws. They seem to
be. It seems like to me the Congress is a little upset that things
have been kept from them and they can't get at them and get told about
them, and so they're like, all right, we're going to write a
lot. We're going to get to the bottom of this. You know,
for those those of us that have been interested in the subject since we were
kids, you know, so so many many years now, one thing we've
happened to be is patient, and we've always known a lot of us ex
experienced already, but we've always had that knowledge that we know they have it.
They have this tech. We know they do. You know, this
isn't just people miss idea things these to report of these objects. So they
have this tech definitely hidden behind tape after tape, and you know, the
people in Congress and even those higher up just have no idea because it's so
compartmentalized, you know, it's it's very difficult. There's someone which knows a
little piece and that someone knows a little piece of that. I'm optimistic.
I can be very doubted of pretty much anything that comes out of any country's
government. But I'm you know, I'm a little bit more optimistic than I
was a couple of years ago. That that's for sure. I think interesting
things are ahead, hopefully sooner rather than later. But this stuff is definitely
there, and they have a lot more than they've certainly let on so far.
I agree, Well, Nick It's been a real pleasure talking to you,
and I really appreciate the opportunity to share my stories. And you know,
if I have another one, you'll be the first guy a call man.
We are glad to hear it. Matt. I really appreciate you coming
on sharing that two very very interesting sightings. And did always say we've always
wanted to see a UFO since you were a kid, and now you have.
Yeah, asking thou shout receive or be careful what you asked for depends
on which way you look at it. All right, Well, well we'll
catch up again sometime. I might just drop your email sometimes say hello,
yeah, keep in contact match. Okay, sounds good, by great,
Matt. You enjoyed the rest of your day, all right, and we
will talk soon. Okay, Thanks bye for now, Matt. That's all
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podcast dot com. A big fan in the mat for sharing tonight and thank
you all for listening. I will be back next week. Till then,
stay safe and keep watching the skies by