WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:04.879 You'll be away five seventeen. Do you want to report a UFO hanging in 2 00:00:05.360 --> 00:00:09.439 We don't want to report every thirty one. Do you wish to report a 3 00:00:09.519 --> 00:00:15.560 UFO over hey, we want to one of those areas thirty one. Do 4 00:00:15.599 --> 00:00:19.359 you wish to find a report of any kind of it? I wouldn't know 5 00:00:19.359 --> 00:00:27.120 what kind of reports clouds time areas thirty one me neither there. See if 6 00:00:27.120 --> 00:00:31.440 it was actually uh above us to pass us, like thirty seconds ago, 7 00:00:32.200 --> 00:00:37.039 we were sending one top of golf negative, okay, OFFI the UFO. 8 00:00:37.759 --> 00:00:42.759 Yeah, it's murder two nine o'clock. Yes, I'll passed over God. 9 00:00:43.200 --> 00:00:46.439 I don't know what it was, but it's from at least to three thousand 10 00:00:46.439 --> 00:00:51.320 feet above us. See, I passed right over the top of US ninety 11 00:00:51.320 --> 00:00:58.640 one one. You just called both to me before they're after staying the airplanes 12 00:01:00.159 --> 00:01:07.760 here to God on an unidentified object every liberty four call or calm on an 13 00:01:07.840 --> 00:01:19.280 unidentified flying object. A Welcome to UFO Chronicles a place where people share their 14 00:01:19.319 --> 00:01:25.640 experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had an encounter, I would 15 00:01:25.719 --> 00:01:30.799 like to be on the show. You can email me at UFO Chronicles at 16 00:01:30.000 --> 00:01:51.400 gmail dot com. Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. I cannot 17 00:01:51.480 --> 00:01:56.000 believe it's December already. How are you all doing. I'm Nick Hunter and 18 00:01:56.120 --> 00:02:00.200 this is the UFO Chronicles podcast. Tonight's guest is Matt in Colorado, and 19 00:02:00.319 --> 00:02:04.959 he has two UFO signs to share with us. He had been living all 20 00:02:05.079 --> 00:02:08.919 summer in his RV when he witnessed a close up UFO over the Mountain Ridge. 21 00:02:09.199 --> 00:02:14.960 Matt is also an experienced small airplane pilot, so he's more than familiar 22 00:02:15.080 --> 00:02:20.240 with what it wasn't Matt is up next, but first, if you enjoyed 23 00:02:20.280 --> 00:02:23.879 a show and you would like to help support the podcast on Patreon, you 24 00:02:23.960 --> 00:02:27.159 can do this for as little as one dollar a month. Head on over 25 00:02:27.240 --> 00:02:31.599 to patreon dot com forward slash UFO Chronicles podcast. You can also find a 26 00:02:31.680 --> 00:02:36.840 link in the description of this episode. Any help is very much appreciated. 27 00:02:37.199 --> 00:02:57.080 Now on the show. Hello, Matt, Welcome to the show. Well, 28 00:02:57.280 --> 00:02:59.479 thank you, Nick. It's great to be on herd your show. 29 00:02:59.599 --> 00:03:01.439 In the past, I asked and enjoyed it. Good stuff. It's great 30 00:03:01.520 --> 00:03:06.319 to have you with us today. And you'll call in from Colorado. Yeah, 31 00:03:06.479 --> 00:03:09.800 Colorado, United States, don't tell anybody, but it's the best state, 32 00:03:10.120 --> 00:03:14.080 and don't tell them because we don't want them all moving here. I've 33 00:03:14.159 --> 00:03:16.280 heard, I've heard. Now, Matt, you have some experiences you're going 34 00:03:16.319 --> 00:03:19.439 to your share. Would you like to start at the beginning, please, 35 00:03:19.479 --> 00:03:24.159 sir? Yeah, and just I'd like to throw a couple little sort of 36 00:03:24.520 --> 00:03:30.000 background stuff out there so it sets the context. I'll try and keep that 37 00:03:30.159 --> 00:03:32.919 a little bit short and try and get to the experience. I think it'll 38 00:03:32.960 --> 00:03:42.159 help people sort of understand it a bit better or maybe answer some questions before 39 00:03:42.199 --> 00:03:46.719 they come up. So, yeah, this I was always interested in UFOs 40 00:03:46.840 --> 00:03:52.000 my whole life. At the time this happens, which is the summer August 41 00:03:52.120 --> 00:03:55.919 of twenty twenty two, I'm fifty five years old. So I'd been interested 42 00:03:57.039 --> 00:04:02.039 in UFOs for decades and always wanted the sea one, wish for, prayed 43 00:04:02.120 --> 00:04:08.719 for seeing one, never saw one my entire life, and so that's the 44 00:04:09.199 --> 00:04:13.000 backstory. So it's not like I've had a lot of sightings in my life. 45 00:04:13.120 --> 00:04:16.199 This is the first one. And so yeah, this takes place in 46 00:04:16.839 --> 00:04:19.800 the state of Colorado, pretty much in the middle of the state where the 47 00:04:19.959 --> 00:04:27.759 Colorado Rockies go through and pretty high up in the Rockies. So the location, 48 00:04:28.639 --> 00:04:32.600 I'm not going to be too specific, but it's like a mountain subdivision. 49 00:04:32.959 --> 00:04:36.000 Not too many houses up there. It's this is not a town. 50 00:04:36.120 --> 00:04:43.600 We're not in the city. And the elevation where I'm at is nine three 51 00:04:43.720 --> 00:04:48.360 hundred feet, so for people that want to think meters are on that system, 52 00:04:48.560 --> 00:04:53.720 you know, that's probably three one hundred meters. So it's pretty high 53 00:04:53.800 --> 00:04:56.920 up there, high alpine, you know, pine trees, aspen trees, 54 00:04:57.480 --> 00:05:01.680 that sort of thing. And where I'm located is pretty much at the top 55 00:05:01.800 --> 00:05:09.600 of this ridge and a dirt road is going through this little subdivision. There's 56 00:05:09.800 --> 00:05:15.879 occasional cabins, but there's also a lot of vacant lots and people will come 57 00:05:16.000 --> 00:05:19.920 park RVs on them or they haven't built a house on them yet. And 58 00:05:20.040 --> 00:05:25.959 I parked on one of those lots in you know, a camp trail an 59 00:05:26.079 --> 00:05:32.600 RV for the summer. So that's the location. I'll also say this place 60 00:05:32.680 --> 00:05:36.879 that this area I'm at, this little subdivision, I did own a house 61 00:05:38.000 --> 00:05:41.519 up there for twenty years and at the end of that lived there full time 62 00:05:41.639 --> 00:05:46.079 for three years. Really just a mile up the road from where I'm park 63 00:05:46.199 --> 00:05:49.879 so I'm very familiar with the location, the geography. You know, this 64 00:05:50.079 --> 00:05:55.720 is not just a place I arrived at that night and didn't know the terrain 65 00:05:55.920 --> 00:05:59.800 or anything like that. And I had spent the whole summer out there, 66 00:06:00.439 --> 00:06:04.160 and I'm a trained private pilot, and so you know, I'm familiar with 67 00:06:04.480 --> 00:06:10.199 aircraft. That'll tie into the story. And you know, so I watched 68 00:06:10.240 --> 00:06:17.000 the planes fly around all summer and occasional helicopters, and so then to the 69 00:06:17.160 --> 00:06:25.720 night of the sighting. Then I had been doing a radio shows that started 70 00:06:25.800 --> 00:06:31.759 at eight pm, so it started before dark because it's summer and stays light 71 00:06:31.879 --> 00:06:36.879 pretty late, and then ends at about ten pm, and so by now 72 00:06:36.959 --> 00:06:43.519 it's dark. So for good cell phone reception, I had to get in 73 00:06:43.680 --> 00:06:48.040 my truck and parked a little ways away from my camper because being in the 74 00:06:48.199 --> 00:06:53.439 camper and some nearby trees, I didn't have cell reception. So that's the 75 00:06:54.920 --> 00:06:58.160 that's the picture, that's the setting. I'm up high in the mountains, 76 00:06:58.319 --> 00:07:03.519 I'm sitting in my truck, I'm facing south, my truck is facing south, 77 00:07:04.560 --> 00:07:10.360 and I've just finished a radio show. I'm still sitting in my truck. 78 00:07:11.800 --> 00:07:16.360 And then all of a sudden something catches my attention, not totally my 79 00:07:16.519 --> 00:07:23.839 purifer, but to the left slightly of looking straight forward, and it's in 80 00:07:24.040 --> 00:07:30.000 my driver's side mirror, okay, and I see this bright light, like 81 00:07:30.279 --> 00:07:34.360 really bright. So this catches my attention. I'm like, what is that? 82 00:07:35.199 --> 00:07:42.000 And so I look into the mirror at this light, and I can 83 00:07:42.160 --> 00:07:46.519 tell from the angle that this is up in the air. This is not 84 00:07:46.920 --> 00:07:53.360 a car behind me on the road, and it's just a bright white light. 85 00:07:53.600 --> 00:07:59.480 This is not car headlights, so it's immediately kind of odd. And 86 00:08:00.920 --> 00:08:03.759 I look at it for a second or two and I'm like, wow, 87 00:08:05.560 --> 00:08:11.079 you know, what the f is that? And so I open the truck 88 00:08:11.199 --> 00:08:16.639 door and I get out because obviously it's behind me, and I walk maybe 89 00:08:16.839 --> 00:08:24.160 ten steps away from the truck and face it. I see this bright white 90 00:08:24.439 --> 00:08:31.279 light, but it's moving very slowly, and I see in front of it 91 00:08:33.080 --> 00:08:37.919 is a red light, but the white light is higher than the red light, 92 00:08:39.840 --> 00:08:46.200 and it's moving out from behind these trees. So these are Douglas fir 93 00:08:46.399 --> 00:08:50.600 trees. They're one hundred to one hundred and twenty feet tall. You know, 94 00:08:50.679 --> 00:08:56.440 they're pretty old, pretty tall trees. So it's not above the trees, 95 00:08:56.159 --> 00:09:01.000 so it's for the angle of view have it's two thirds of the way 96 00:09:01.080 --> 00:09:05.279 up. So there's trees to my left hand side, which is where it's 97 00:09:05.360 --> 00:09:11.399 coming out of or appearing from behind those, and then there's a clearing area 98 00:09:11.559 --> 00:09:18.120 worth no trees, and so there's this leading red light, and then up 99 00:09:18.240 --> 00:09:22.600 higher than that is a white light. And then as it continues to come 100 00:09:24.440 --> 00:09:30.480 appear from behind these trees pretty slowly, then there's a green light in the 101 00:09:30.600 --> 00:09:35.279 rear. And this green light is at the same level as the red light. 102 00:09:35.840 --> 00:09:43.759 So if you imagine a triangle and basically a right triangle, and so 103 00:09:46.279 --> 00:09:50.639 the angles would be forty five degrees on the two sides and ninety degrees at 104 00:09:50.679 --> 00:09:56.080 the top up to this white light. And in the first it probably only 105 00:09:56.200 --> 00:10:01.480 took one second in real time for my mind to do I guess this is 106 00:10:01.720 --> 00:10:05.320 common. I didn't know about this at first, but my mind went through 107 00:10:05.440 --> 00:10:11.879 this process very quickly of trying to figure out what the heck I'm looking at 108 00:10:11.039 --> 00:10:18.519 right, So it's like a process of elimination. And so I started with 109 00:10:18.759 --> 00:10:24.159 like airplane, and I'm like, no, it's way too low to be 110 00:10:24.240 --> 00:10:31.320 an airplane, and it's not shaped like an airplane, and it's flying way 111 00:10:31.440 --> 00:10:37.000 too slow to be an airplane. Airplanes camp fly that slow. So then 112 00:10:37.080 --> 00:10:41.600 I go to helicopter. No, if it was a helicopter and that close 113 00:10:41.679 --> 00:10:45.559 to me, I would hear it. You know. I sat up there 114 00:10:45.600 --> 00:10:48.440 all summer and had helicopters fly over, and I hear them coming from five 115 00:10:48.600 --> 00:10:54.240 miles away, and I hear them leaving for five miles and this is making 116 00:10:54.600 --> 00:11:03.679 no sound whatsoever, totally silent like a helicopter. Then I'm start grasping at 117 00:11:03.840 --> 00:11:07.879 straws at some kind of drone or something, and I'm like, no, 118 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:11.720 I've been around drones. Those things are really loud too, and there's no 119 00:11:11.960 --> 00:11:16.159 sound, and it's bigger than a drone. So I've kind of gone through 120 00:11:16.279 --> 00:11:22.559 and like I said, one second, I've eliminated all normal, regular aircraft 121 00:11:22.679 --> 00:11:30.039 and explanations. So I realized I'm seeing something really bizarre and unique, and 122 00:11:31.919 --> 00:11:37.159 so I have this idea pop into my head. Immediately, I need to 123 00:11:37.200 --> 00:11:39.919 grab my cellphone, which I just used to be on the radio show, 124 00:11:41.200 --> 00:11:43.240 but it's in my truck. Oh man, get the cell phone, you 125 00:11:43.320 --> 00:11:48.759 know, take videos, get pictures. You got to document this. So 126 00:11:48.879 --> 00:11:52.360 I turned to walk back to my truck to get the cell phone. I 127 00:11:52.480 --> 00:11:56.440 take two steps and it was I don't know if it was a thought in 128 00:11:56.559 --> 00:12:00.240 my head or a voice in my head, but it was like, no, 129 00:12:00.840 --> 00:12:03.960 don't get the cell phone. Well, I'm the kind of guy that 130 00:12:03.720 --> 00:12:07.039 pays attention to that sort of thing, so I'm like, okay. So 131 00:12:07.159 --> 00:12:15.919 I turned back around and returned to looking at it. Now it's moving slowly, 132 00:12:16.039 --> 00:12:18.799 and it's hard to estimate the distance, and you have to know the 133 00:12:18.879 --> 00:12:24.120 distance to give you to estimate the speed. You know, something real far 134 00:12:24.240 --> 00:12:28.519 away can be going fast, but it looks like it's moving slow. But 135 00:12:28.799 --> 00:12:35.360 based on my distance calculations, it's going maybe eight miles an hour. And 136 00:12:35.720 --> 00:12:39.799 so from my line aside, it looks like it's, you know, max, 137 00:12:39.879 --> 00:12:45.559 two hundred feet in the air. With the angle, maybe it's above 138 00:12:45.639 --> 00:12:48.440 the trees, but the trees are closer to me, so I'm seeing it 139 00:12:48.799 --> 00:12:52.879 appearing to be behind the trees. So I'm I'm thinking it's two hundred feet 140 00:12:52.879 --> 00:13:00.240 in the year, it's going about eight miles an hour. And then I've 141 00:13:00.399 --> 00:13:03.919 done a lot of thinking, you know, in the more than a year 142 00:13:03.120 --> 00:13:07.679 since, about how big it was and how far away. It was, 143 00:13:07.679 --> 00:13:16.320 and my best calculations are that it was somewhere around eight hundred feet to one 144 00:13:16.360 --> 00:13:22.440 thousand feet away, and my best guesses are dependent on that distance, that 145 00:13:22.559 --> 00:13:31.799 it was somewhere between sixty feet across to perhaps one hundred feet across, you 146 00:13:31.879 --> 00:13:37.279 know, in length, and it was probably thirty feet tall. So that's 147 00:13:37.519 --> 00:13:43.559 my distance, speed and size. And then as I'm watching it now, 148 00:13:43.639 --> 00:13:50.759 I know I'm seeing something really abnormal here, and you know, call it 149 00:13:50.960 --> 00:13:54.200 UFO. I know at this point it's some type of let's say, anti 150 00:13:54.399 --> 00:14:01.720 gravitic ship, right, anti gravity craft, And so because of that, 151 00:14:01.840 --> 00:14:07.639 I'm trying to pay attention to every detail and everything about it and make a 152 00:14:07.799 --> 00:14:13.360 very close observation. And I noticed, and I had noticed this earlier, 153 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:18.799 the front red light is sort of blinking, but I wouldn't call it a 154 00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:26.399 blink. What it would do is it would sort of glow brighter, and 155 00:14:26.879 --> 00:14:33.039 it would stay brighter for like a second or two more like two seconds, 156 00:14:33.559 --> 00:14:35.840 and then it would slowly dim, but it would stay on. It never 157 00:14:37.039 --> 00:14:43.120 went away. The top white light was constant. The rear light, the 158 00:14:43.240 --> 00:14:50.320 green light did the same thing, and it was in unison with the red 159 00:14:50.399 --> 00:15:00.159 light. So you have these slowly pulsing, increasing intensity glowing light. But 160 00:15:00.279 --> 00:15:05.639 they didn't blink like an airplane. An airplane lights blink once per second, 161 00:15:05.799 --> 00:15:09.360 and they kind of twinkle blink, blink, blink, blink. So it 162 00:15:09.519 --> 00:15:15.159 was very different than an airplane light. And like I mentioned, being a 163 00:15:15.399 --> 00:15:18.840 pilot, I know on an airplane you've got a green light on one wing 164 00:15:18.960 --> 00:15:24.240 and a red light on the other wing. And that's so you can identify 165 00:15:24.000 --> 00:15:28.720 when you're flying if a plane is coming towards you or flying away from you, 166 00:15:30.240 --> 00:15:35.799 by which side the colored light is on right. So if the green's 167 00:15:35.840 --> 00:15:37.279 on the right, it's headed at you, you better take a base of 168 00:15:37.399 --> 00:15:41.360 action. If it's red on the right, you know it's fine. In 169 00:15:41.360 --> 00:15:43.080 the opposite direction, you're not going to run into it, So that's why 170 00:15:43.159 --> 00:15:48.600 they do that. Well, this is shaped like a triangle, so it 171 00:15:48.679 --> 00:15:50.480 can't be a plane. You're not going to have one front and back. 172 00:15:50.600 --> 00:15:58.679 Planes don't have that. So it continues across this opening in the trees there, 173 00:15:58.799 --> 00:16:04.519 you know, call it a clearing, and so I have a clear 174 00:16:04.679 --> 00:16:12.440 line of sight at it, and it is it maintains a completely horizontal path. 175 00:16:12.559 --> 00:16:18.919 It's not going up or down it doesn't change speed. It seems very 176 00:16:19.080 --> 00:16:25.559 obvious to me. It's one craft. It's not three different lights flying in 177 00:16:25.799 --> 00:16:30.200 formation. It just moved as one thing, so it seemed like one thing 178 00:16:30.960 --> 00:16:37.600 with three lights on it. I would assume the craft was, you know, 179 00:16:37.799 --> 00:16:41.120 sort of pyramid shaped, and the lights were at the front, back, 180 00:16:41.200 --> 00:16:45.399 and top. It was really dark that night, and the lights weren't 181 00:16:45.519 --> 00:16:49.879 bright enough that it illuminated. If it was a solid ship, I couldn't 182 00:16:49.919 --> 00:16:56.720 see the ship or craft right, I'm just seeing the lights. And now 183 00:16:57.840 --> 00:17:02.639 I get to watch it. I've replayed it in my mind. I get 184 00:17:02.720 --> 00:17:07.039 to watch it for probably a total of twelve seconds, which doesn't seem that 185 00:17:07.279 --> 00:17:14.039 long, but it's one of those things where time slows down, like if 186 00:17:14.079 --> 00:17:18.240 you're having a car accident or something that you know, or time dilation, 187 00:17:19.440 --> 00:17:23.039 or like if you're having a dream and it time was dilated. So it 188 00:17:23.200 --> 00:17:27.279 was really long in my mind, and that's actually a pretty long time to 189 00:17:27.960 --> 00:17:34.000 have a sighting like this. Well, the reason that it ended was because 190 00:17:36.599 --> 00:17:41.200 after this clearing, there's more trees which are on the other side of a 191 00:17:41.279 --> 00:17:47.119 dirt road that's going vertically down this and so it goes behind those trees, 192 00:17:47.799 --> 00:17:52.119 and I can still get kind of these flicker of lights as it goes in 193 00:17:52.279 --> 00:17:57.000 between gaps in the trees, and so I proceed to walk after it and 194 00:17:57.680 --> 00:18:03.759 see if I can keep following it or see where it goes, and I 195 00:18:03.200 --> 00:18:08.720 lose sight of it. So that's pretty much the sighting itself in terms of 196 00:18:08.880 --> 00:18:18.400 the pragmatic details. Now, one interesting thing I guess to share about it 197 00:18:18.640 --> 00:18:23.200 from an experiential point of view was that when I first went out of the 198 00:18:23.279 --> 00:18:27.759 truck and saw it, and after the one second where I went through the 199 00:18:27.799 --> 00:18:33.400 alternatives and went, no, this is something very abnormal and unusual and unexplainable. 200 00:18:34.200 --> 00:18:40.039 This interesting thing happened when I first thought to get my camera Nick, 201 00:18:40.599 --> 00:18:45.079 I couldn't move. I wanted to go get my phone and camera, but 202 00:18:45.279 --> 00:18:48.519 my feet were like glued to the ground. I'm not sure I could even 203 00:18:48.640 --> 00:18:55.160 lift in my hand. It's like my body was paralyzed. I don't think 204 00:18:55.480 --> 00:19:00.440 that was some effect of the ship doing something to me or anything. I 205 00:19:00.519 --> 00:19:07.720 think it was a natural sort of fear response that humans have. You've identified 206 00:19:07.759 --> 00:19:12.240 a predator or a thread or something you can't figure out, so you immediately 207 00:19:12.319 --> 00:19:18.720 become motionless and you know, small animals will do that. They you know, 208 00:19:18.839 --> 00:19:23.519 a mouse sees a hawk or a coyote and it'll freeze so it can't 209 00:19:23.559 --> 00:19:30.880 be seen. So I had that sort of fear freeze reflex response, and 210 00:19:30.960 --> 00:19:37.960 so that lasted like maybe one second. But I noticed that a little bit 211 00:19:38.079 --> 00:19:42.799 at the time. But when I recalled the experience, it was more profound. 212 00:19:42.880 --> 00:19:45.039 I was like, Wow, that was a really weird part of it. 213 00:19:45.640 --> 00:19:51.599 And then I'm going to skip ahead here to another thing I found very 214 00:19:51.920 --> 00:19:56.440 interesting about this experience, and that is, at the time it happened, 215 00:19:56.480 --> 00:20:00.920 immediately after, I made a phone call and told friend or one of my 216 00:20:02.000 --> 00:20:04.799 best friends would have just happened, and I mean, I had to tell 217 00:20:04.880 --> 00:20:15.200 somebody, But after that I didn't tell anyone else for at least seven months. 218 00:20:17.000 --> 00:20:23.480 But here's the really odd thing. I actually forgot about it or didn't 219 00:20:23.680 --> 00:20:27.799 think about it, like it never occurred to me. I can't remember if 220 00:20:27.839 --> 00:20:33.200 I thought about it the next day or two. I probably did. I 221 00:20:33.319 --> 00:20:37.160 probably remembered it the next day and thought about it for a couple of days, 222 00:20:37.799 --> 00:20:41.480 but then it just seemed to disappear from my mind. And I'm the 223 00:20:41.559 --> 00:20:45.079 kind of guy I got a pretty good memory. This is an event I've 224 00:20:45.079 --> 00:20:49.279 been waiting my whole life for. You would have thought I'd been thinking about 225 00:20:49.319 --> 00:20:55.359 it a lot, maybe even telling some other friends or family member about it, 226 00:20:55.839 --> 00:21:02.480 But it just disappeared from my content his mind, and I didn't think 227 00:21:02.519 --> 00:21:07.400 about it for more than six months, and then one day it just popped 228 00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:11.400 back in. I was like, Holy crid, Matt, you know you 229 00:21:11.599 --> 00:21:17.200 saw UFO. How could you forget about that? And so then I told 230 00:21:17.559 --> 00:21:21.279 my brother. And he's not the kind of person that's going to be a 231 00:21:21.359 --> 00:21:25.799 naysayer or not believe me, and he's an open minded guy, so it's 232 00:21:25.880 --> 00:21:30.559 not like I had any fear of telling him or another family member or a 233 00:21:30.640 --> 00:21:33.599 different friend. I just for some reason forgot about it and didn't tell any 234 00:21:33.640 --> 00:21:37.039 friends about it. And I've wondered about that, and I think it was 235 00:21:37.119 --> 00:21:42.960 almost a repressed memory. Or when people have a traumatic event, you know, 236 00:21:44.079 --> 00:21:48.480 maybe in childhood or something really intense happens to him, it becomes a 237 00:21:48.720 --> 00:21:52.359 repressed memory. Your mind can't deal with it and can't explain it, and 238 00:21:52.519 --> 00:21:56.599 doesn't want to deal with it, so it files it and buries it away. 239 00:21:57.599 --> 00:22:03.200 And so that was an interesting part of the process and experience for me. 240 00:22:03.799 --> 00:22:08.559 And then once I remembered it, I thought about it every single day 241 00:22:08.640 --> 00:22:12.960 for months. I couldn't shake it. It was just really important for me 242 00:22:14.160 --> 00:22:19.839 to remember it and contemplate it. It was. I didn't think it was 243 00:22:19.920 --> 00:22:27.160 a particularly amazing sighting based on some you hear about and stuff. And then 244 00:22:27.200 --> 00:22:33.319 I was listening to your show and listening to different sightings and experiences, and 245 00:22:33.440 --> 00:22:36.960 I thought, you know, a lot of times people they see some cool 246 00:22:37.039 --> 00:22:41.799 stuff, but it's more like lights in the sky, or they make interesting, 247 00:22:41.599 --> 00:22:48.480 you know, unexplainable movements or things like that, but they're usually pretty 248 00:22:48.519 --> 00:22:52.680 far away. And so I thought, you know, I had technically what's 249 00:22:52.799 --> 00:22:57.039 called a close encounter of the first kind, which I guess part of the 250 00:22:57.160 --> 00:23:03.039 definition is within by one hundred feet away, so I'm close on that at 251 00:23:03.160 --> 00:23:07.319 eight hundred to one thousand feet. And so the other thing, like I 252 00:23:07.400 --> 00:23:12.160 said, it was really low elevation, so it's close and fine low, 253 00:23:12.839 --> 00:23:19.240 And I thought, maybe it's a more interesting sighting than I thought it was, 254 00:23:19.440 --> 00:23:23.720 and perhaps a good one to share. And I, you know, 255 00:23:23.799 --> 00:23:30.119 I had right about that time been listening to your show, and I thought 256 00:23:30.440 --> 00:23:34.240 maybe I should contact Nick and see if he wants to have me on the 257 00:23:34.319 --> 00:23:38.279 show and tell my story. And before I leave that story, because I 258 00:23:38.400 --> 00:23:45.200 do have a second one that I would like to share too. Before I 259 00:23:45.359 --> 00:23:49.480 leave that second that one to go to the second one, there's another really 260 00:23:51.799 --> 00:23:57.240 weird part of that night of what happens. After I have the sighting, 261 00:23:57.920 --> 00:24:02.400 I get back in my track. I'd call my friend to tell her, 262 00:24:03.480 --> 00:24:08.240 and I'm all pretty excited, and I got adrenaline going through my body and 263 00:24:08.359 --> 00:24:14.519 I'm telling her the story. And in the middle of that, I don't 264 00:24:14.559 --> 00:24:18.319 know, five minutes into telling her, now I'm facing forward the opposite direction. 265 00:24:18.480 --> 00:24:27.039 I'm sitting in my truck and I see this bright light appear in front 266 00:24:27.079 --> 00:24:33.559 of my eyes that you could say it was like as big as a bright 267 00:24:33.960 --> 00:24:41.160 star if you're looking at Venus or Jupiter, you know, total first magnitude, 268 00:24:41.359 --> 00:24:48.319 so about that size, but maybe even a bit brighter. It's right 269 00:24:48.400 --> 00:24:52.880 in front of me. But here's the weird thing, Nick, It's not 270 00:24:52.759 --> 00:24:59.480 outside my truck. It's not in the sky. It almost appears to be 271 00:25:00.960 --> 00:25:04.799 like at my windshield two or three feet away from me. You're two feet 272 00:25:04.839 --> 00:25:11.119 away from me, So this bright light appears and then another one appears real 273 00:25:11.240 --> 00:25:17.559 close to it, like a couple inches away, and then fairly quickly, 274 00:25:17.920 --> 00:25:22.200 about five more appear. And this may sound weird, but it looked like 275 00:25:23.519 --> 00:25:30.480 a geometric form, but not one you would recognize. There was seemed like 276 00:25:30.599 --> 00:25:37.240 some math or geometry behind it, but it was a regular poly polygon or 277 00:25:37.799 --> 00:25:41.279 you know, octagon or hexagon or something like that. But they seem to 278 00:25:41.359 --> 00:25:48.000 be configured a certain way. And then but they're all stationary, and then 279 00:25:48.640 --> 00:25:55.279 all of a sudden, in unison, they very quickly move, and in 280 00:25:55.440 --> 00:26:00.680 relationship to each other, they all move and sort of form something different. 281 00:26:00.160 --> 00:26:06.319 And this all happens very fast, and then they zoom street at me at 282 00:26:06.880 --> 00:26:11.319 light speed if you picture Star Trek when they jump into warp speed, and 283 00:26:11.359 --> 00:26:18.839 it's show and it just flies straight at me and either goes into my eyes 284 00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:23.720 or through my head or something like that. And I'm still on the phone 285 00:26:25.079 --> 00:26:29.880 with my friend, and I screamed, and I screamed as it was I 286 00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:32.480 was seeing it. What is that? What is Oh? My god, 287 00:26:32.839 --> 00:26:34.920 my god? And then when it did that thing and zoomed at me, 288 00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:41.240 I screamed out loud and I started I was so shook it up. I 289 00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:47.920 was breathing hard. I wouldn't say hyperventilating, but I was really freaked out. 290 00:26:48.119 --> 00:26:53.599 And the interesting thing is I had a more intense reaction and was more 291 00:26:53.680 --> 00:27:00.279 freaked out than by that then what I had just seen with the craft by, 292 00:27:00.799 --> 00:27:04.359 you know, in the mountains, and I don't know what the heck 293 00:27:04.519 --> 00:27:10.880 that was. I know, you know, there's this thing, you know, 294 00:27:10.920 --> 00:27:15.079 I'm sure you're familiar or listeners are, with prana like life forks energy 295 00:27:15.640 --> 00:27:22.960 that you see as little sparkling white lights almost looks like snow, and you're 296 00:27:22.039 --> 00:27:27.359 kind of seeing perhaps etheric energy, and you're seeing it with you know, 297 00:27:27.480 --> 00:27:32.920 what they call your third eye. But I've seen that since I was twelve 298 00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:37.400 years old and seen it my whole life, and that's not at all what 299 00:27:37.759 --> 00:27:44.039 this was. These lights were much bigger than anything I've ever seen with kind 300 00:27:44.119 --> 00:27:49.039 of seeing energy third eye type thing. Yeah, I've never seen anything like 301 00:27:49.200 --> 00:27:59.519 that. And how weird it was that this happens within eight minutes after seeing 302 00:27:59.599 --> 00:28:03.799 a UFO. I don't know. I don't know what to make of that. 303 00:28:03.359 --> 00:28:08.920 I can't explain it, but it's an interesting part of the story. 304 00:28:10.920 --> 00:28:18.839 Now. I just want to give my tentative or analysis about what I saw 305 00:28:18.359 --> 00:28:23.079 in terms of the craft I saw, and I contemplated this and gone back 306 00:28:23.160 --> 00:28:29.839 and forth on it, and I know it wasn't anything normal aircraft type thing. 307 00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:36.359 From its speed and lack of sound, I'm thinking it's an anti gravitic 308 00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:42.559 craft. And so I'm going to go with two basic ideas would be this 309 00:28:42.680 --> 00:28:51.119 would be an alien craft not from Earth, or this is a US government 310 00:28:51.480 --> 00:28:57.519 reverse engineered anti gravitic craft. Okay, we could start with fifty to fifty. 311 00:28:59.480 --> 00:29:03.079 But I have to wonder why if it was a government craft, they 312 00:29:03.119 --> 00:29:08.960 would be flying low through the mountains at ten fifteen at night, you know, 313 00:29:10.559 --> 00:29:15.519 doing practice drives with their craft in the middle of nowhere. I mean, 314 00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:21.799 I'm so far from military bases and airports, and why would they be 315 00:29:21.960 --> 00:29:26.119 doing that. And that's a pretty risky to be flying that low and through 316 00:29:26.200 --> 00:29:30.519 the mountains. And I'm sure if they've got those things, which I think 317 00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:36.119 they do, they're probably pretty expensive. I don't know that's possible. There 318 00:29:36.279 --> 00:29:41.720 is in Colorado the nord you know, central command and control, you know, 319 00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:45.559 for all our military, but that's on the whole eastern side of the 320 00:29:45.640 --> 00:29:48.720 state. Could it have been a government craft that had flown out of you 321 00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:52.920 know, that area, and we're flying around at night for whatever reason. 322 00:29:53.640 --> 00:29:57.640 Yeah, that's possible. Could it have been an alien craft, Well, 323 00:29:59.480 --> 00:30:04.039 certainly that's possible, And for a long time I just considered it was more 324 00:30:04.240 --> 00:30:07.880 likely a government craft. I don't know why. Part of it was. 325 00:30:07.960 --> 00:30:14.240 I actually tried to communicate with it telepathically and spoke something out loud. I 326 00:30:14.640 --> 00:30:18.599 skipped this part of the story. I was trying to just describe the events 327 00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:23.599 and physical details. But when I knew it was a UFO, I was 328 00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:30.319 if you're beings of love and light and benevolent, you have my permission to 329 00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:33.160 come closer to me, you know, come closer. But if you're not, 330 00:30:34.359 --> 00:30:37.759 stay the heck away, and you do not have my permission, because 331 00:30:38.119 --> 00:30:42.759 I'm like, I don't want to deal with these gray aliens and be abducted. 332 00:30:42.799 --> 00:30:47.480 I don't like them. I'm of the mindset there's sort of good guy 333 00:30:47.559 --> 00:30:53.480 aliens and bad guy aliens. So I made an invitation out loud and telepathically 334 00:30:53.640 --> 00:30:59.000 to communicate with it, and I got no response. So at that point 335 00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:03.960 I'm going either there were bad guys and stayed away, or it wasn't extraterrestrial, 336 00:31:04.119 --> 00:31:08.319 so the telepathy didn't work, so maybe it was just a government craft. 337 00:31:08.799 --> 00:31:14.160 So I don't know what it was. I'm not saying it was an 338 00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:19.119 alien spacecraft. I certainly don't know, and I'm not making that claim. 339 00:31:21.319 --> 00:31:27.359 I am very absolutely convinced it was an anti gravity craft for all the reasons 340 00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:33.119 I said. So that pretty much wraps up that that story in my first 341 00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:45.720 encounter. Based in southeast Coastal Georgia, Coastal Preparedness Supply is dedicated to help 342 00:31:45.759 --> 00:31:52.640 in ordinary folk achieve advanced preparedness and maximum self sufficiency under any circumstances at avoidable 343 00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:57.000 prices. 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But these lights that you saw, 358 00:33:10.279 --> 00:33:14.440 that's the strange bit. These lights that you saw in front of your 359 00:33:14.519 --> 00:33:17.480 cab after seeing the ship directly after, wasn't it. Yeah? Yeah, 360 00:33:17.519 --> 00:33:22.759 it was eight ten minutes later when those lights came at you. Do you 361 00:33:22.920 --> 00:33:27.559 remember feeling anything of unscreaming. Is there anything that you felt, Well, 362 00:33:27.640 --> 00:33:30.640 they might have been I don't know if they were physically they're or not, 363 00:33:31.119 --> 00:33:37.279 or I'm seeing them in sort of my mind's eye or interdimensionally or something like 364 00:33:37.400 --> 00:33:40.519 that. I had the feeling I was seeing, I don't know how to 365 00:33:40.640 --> 00:33:53.119 explain it, sort of a interdimensional energy coming into the third dimension and presenting 366 00:33:53.279 --> 00:34:00.200 itself to me for some reason and either giving me a show or like a 367 00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:07.119 blast of energy, or maybe some information like people talk about downloads. You 368 00:34:07.199 --> 00:34:12.400 know, I had the feeling it was a visitation. Let me put it 369 00:34:12.480 --> 00:34:19.199 that way. It was a visitation, a demonstration of visitation. I don't 370 00:34:19.239 --> 00:34:22.639 know. You also didn't make the invitation, right, Oh, and you 371 00:34:22.760 --> 00:34:28.480 know, maybe those were the benevolent They're like, oh, you just saw 372 00:34:28.519 --> 00:34:31.000 a government craft, or maybe those were the gray aliens, but you made 373 00:34:31.039 --> 00:34:35.840 the invitation to the benevolent beings. So here we are. We were in 374 00:34:35.920 --> 00:34:38.599 the vicinity. Yeah. I did just recall two other tidbits I wanted to 375 00:34:38.679 --> 00:34:44.599 mention. So this is almost the punchline of the story. So I mentioned 376 00:34:44.639 --> 00:34:49.400 I had gotten off this radio show Troubled Minds. Shout out to Michael Strange 377 00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:53.039 and Troubleminds dot Org. So they talk about paranormal stuff and a lot of 378 00:34:53.119 --> 00:34:58.599 interesting topics on that show, which is why I'm on it. I'm interested 379 00:34:58.599 --> 00:35:05.440 in that sort of thing. Well, that night's discussion had been somewhat about 380 00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:14.880 the multiverse and sort of like things got into maybe aliens or interdimensional beings or 381 00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:19.280 are there things like angels? And you know, it got off into that 382 00:35:19.519 --> 00:35:22.880 kind of topics, and I had called into the show like I usually did. 383 00:35:23.679 --> 00:35:30.760 Actually the show topic that night was kind of along those lines and in 384 00:35:30.960 --> 00:35:38.400 particular about multi dimensional beings, which that was the majority of my call content 385 00:35:39.159 --> 00:35:45.920 on the show. And so then fifteen minutes after the show, I have 386 00:35:45.039 --> 00:35:51.480 a UFO side right, And then eight minutes after that, tying back into 387 00:35:51.559 --> 00:35:54.079 what you just said, these lights in front of me kind of the windshield. 388 00:35:54.920 --> 00:36:00.039 Maybe that was that sort of interdimensional beings that I had just been talking 389 00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:05.280 about an hour before and maybe had like you said, I hadn't thought about 390 00:36:05.320 --> 00:36:08.599 that. I appreciate you mentioning that that I had put out that invitation and 391 00:36:08.960 --> 00:36:14.920 and maybe they they heard my call. Yeah you and you invited them. 392 00:36:15.559 --> 00:36:17.239 Yeah, that's really interesting. You know some people that you know, they 393 00:36:17.239 --> 00:36:22.880 would have they would have just really have mentioned by their first experience my cat 394 00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:25.519 jumping on the desk, and a lot of people probably would have left out, 395 00:36:25.760 --> 00:36:30.280 you know, seeing those those lights outside of the truck. Yeah, 396 00:36:30.440 --> 00:36:32.719 you know, Nick, in thinking about you know, we took us a 397 00:36:32.760 --> 00:36:37.480 couple of times and coordinate our scheduling for me being on. But in contemplating 398 00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:42.559 what I was going to say in the order, and you know, sort 399 00:36:42.599 --> 00:36:47.719 of planning it, I contemplated several times whether or not I wanted to or 400 00:36:47.960 --> 00:36:52.280 was going to share that part of the story. And at first I was 401 00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:54.079 going to leave it out, and then I thought, no, you know 402 00:36:54.239 --> 00:36:59.639 what, Matt, that may be an important part of the story, and 403 00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:05.119 so I think you should include it and let people think or make of it 404 00:37:05.360 --> 00:37:08.320 or believe what they want about it. But I think it's an important part 405 00:37:08.360 --> 00:37:12.000 of the story. It is important. Do you get that a lot? 406 00:37:12.079 --> 00:37:15.000 And sometimes I'll get it while someone will come on and then they reach out 407 00:37:15.039 --> 00:37:17.280 to me, maybe a couple of weeks later, saying I've left something out 408 00:37:17.679 --> 00:37:22.079 right, But yeah, I I tell people, even if it's completely excused 409 00:37:22.159 --> 00:37:25.800 upon an alien, what you've come on to say, there is something which 410 00:37:27.119 --> 00:37:31.360 completely doesn't make any sense and the sounds completely outlandish. Include it because it 411 00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:35.760 could have some relevance and it could be important. Right. Yeah, I'm 412 00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:40.639 glad I did, And partly I'm glad I did because of you saying, 413 00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:45.440 well you did put out the invitation, and I hadn't contemplated that that hadn't 414 00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:49.320 occurred to me, and I think you might have something there, sir, 415 00:37:49.920 --> 00:37:53.320 Well, that kind of is a wrap up my first sighting and my second 416 00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:59.440 sighting is at daytime sighting. So Nick, I wanted to also share with 417 00:37:59.639 --> 00:38:07.239 you my second UFO sighting, which kind of interesting. Waited my whole life 418 00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:15.800 to have one, finally had one August of twenty twenty two, and then 419 00:38:16.079 --> 00:38:22.800 this summer, I think it was probably June of twenty twenty three, I 420 00:38:22.920 --> 00:38:30.239 actually had a second sighting and this was a daytime sighting. The little bit 421 00:38:30.280 --> 00:38:37.679 of backstory was that I had gone to the store and come back and I 422 00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:43.320 was listening to MPR radio and sometimes you get this what they called a driveway 423 00:38:43.440 --> 00:38:45.079 moment. You're so engrossed in the story that you don't want to go in 424 00:38:45.159 --> 00:38:49.159 the house, yet you want to finish listening to the story. So I'm 425 00:38:49.199 --> 00:38:55.360 sitting in my truck, but I do the CE five Stephen Greer protocol, 426 00:38:57.079 --> 00:39:00.960 where you you know, try and call in the UFO and you visualize your 427 00:39:01.400 --> 00:39:07.119 location and give them the invitation. So I do that, but because I'm 428 00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:10.320 sitting my truck and the grouses in front of me. I give them specific 429 00:39:10.480 --> 00:39:15.119 instructions that, hey, you have to appear outside my driver's side window so 430 00:39:15.199 --> 00:39:19.159 I'll be able to see it. You know, don't appear straight overhead. 431 00:39:19.239 --> 00:39:22.079 I can't see it through the roof of my truck. And I sit there 432 00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:27.360 for ten fifteen minutes, and you know, I don't see anything. So 433 00:39:27.480 --> 00:39:30.480 I get out of my truck and end up going down to the other side 434 00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:36.679 of the house and I'm sitting out on ports that's down there, and the 435 00:39:36.800 --> 00:39:43.039 porch has basically I'm kind of in a corner of the ports that's close to 436 00:39:43.199 --> 00:39:47.639 the house. So there's one wall going out west and one wall going out 437 00:39:47.800 --> 00:39:53.920 north, so I basically have a ninety degree view of the sky and terrain 438 00:39:54.039 --> 00:39:59.480 outside a little bit more maybe one hundred degree view. So I go and 439 00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:02.440 I'm sitting down there, and I'm like, oh, I told him to 440 00:40:02.559 --> 00:40:07.239 appear, you know, in the south. I better give him an update. 441 00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:14.280 And so I kind of meditated and telepathically said, Okay, I've moved. 442 00:40:14.480 --> 00:40:17.880 I'm down here. Now you need to appear out here where I can 443 00:40:19.039 --> 00:40:24.719 see you. I'm guessing within five to ten minutes, and I'm looking, 444 00:40:24.880 --> 00:40:34.039 I'm actively looking around, I'm being hopeful about it, and all of sudden 445 00:40:35.800 --> 00:40:42.360 back up just a bit so I can see ninety degrees. I'm looking now 446 00:40:43.199 --> 00:40:46.639 most of the way through that ninety degrees, so i'll just call it in 447 00:40:46.760 --> 00:40:52.079 the middle. There's a juniper tree about ten feet in front of me. 448 00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:59.000 All of a sudden, coming from behind the view of that tree. Appearing 449 00:40:59.159 --> 00:41:06.400 from behind it comes this thing. So that's kind of the odd thing because 450 00:41:06.400 --> 00:41:08.760 I have a lot of view to the left of that, and this thing 451 00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:14.559 is big, So it would seem like I should have seen it before it 452 00:41:14.719 --> 00:41:17.440 got to the tree and came out of the tree. I should have seen 453 00:41:17.480 --> 00:41:22.960 it coming towards it and then seen it come out from behind it because I 454 00:41:22.119 --> 00:41:27.559 was looking, I was paying attention, So it kind of seemingly comes out 455 00:41:27.559 --> 00:41:35.320 of nowhere. Similarly, seems to be moving relatively slow. It's a bit 456 00:41:35.519 --> 00:41:40.599 hard to describe accurately, but so I got to be general here in my 457 00:41:42.519 --> 00:41:49.800 terms, But just to understand this is just the closest comparison I can come 458 00:41:49.880 --> 00:41:58.039 up with. It basically looks like a really big jet like those military C 459 00:41:58.360 --> 00:42:04.480 one transport or jets like those big huge ones that they open the back and 460 00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:10.519 drive tanks into. I mean, this thing is big and it's fact it's 461 00:42:10.639 --> 00:42:15.679 like really tall, so it's not thin like a commercial plane. Is the 462 00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:22.760 fuselage of it, So it's it's you know, roughly airplane shaped. It 463 00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:28.039 has a nose, but it's like really blunt, not sharp like a commercial 464 00:42:28.159 --> 00:42:32.199 plane. And I don't know exactly what the shape of a C one would 465 00:42:32.239 --> 00:42:37.320 be on the nose, but as a blunt nose, this really fat, 466 00:42:37.599 --> 00:42:45.920 tall fuselage and this thing is huge. So I'm up on a hill about 467 00:42:46.039 --> 00:42:51.719 eight hundred feet over the city. So this is a totally different location than 468 00:42:51.760 --> 00:42:53.880 my first siding. I'm not up in the mountains. I'm down in town, 469 00:42:54.519 --> 00:42:59.960 so I'm maybe I'm up on a ridge eight hundred feet above the sea, 470 00:43:00.840 --> 00:43:06.440 and this is about only halfway across the city, so it's only two 471 00:43:06.559 --> 00:43:10.519 miles away from me. It's directly pretty much straight in line with my view, 472 00:43:12.559 --> 00:43:17.000 which tells me it's maybe five to seven hundred feet flying over the city, 473 00:43:17.719 --> 00:43:23.960 which is really really low, and it's flying over like downtown area. 474 00:43:24.480 --> 00:43:30.480 It's not over at the airport or anything like that, really low, going 475 00:43:30.639 --> 00:43:37.559 really slow, and because of the distance and size. If this was a 476 00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:43.440 C one, it would have been much smaller in compared to the size that 477 00:43:44.039 --> 00:43:46.480 I'm seeing appearing to see it would be like three times as big as one 478 00:43:46.519 --> 00:43:51.400 of those. Now I don't see any wings, but I've got a straight 479 00:43:51.440 --> 00:43:54.480 on view, so if I had wings like an airplane, I probably couldn't 480 00:43:54.480 --> 00:44:00.719 have seen them at that angle. And then I notice it has a tail 481 00:44:00.719 --> 00:44:06.440 like the tail of a jet, except there's something really odd about it. 482 00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:14.039 It's really tall, three times taller, three or four times taller than what 483 00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:20.360 a plane's tail would be. And then it's wider, meaning it goes from 484 00:44:20.440 --> 00:44:23.159 the back towards the front longer than usual, so it's got this huge, 485 00:44:23.880 --> 00:44:31.159 you know, triangular tail on it. And then I'm also immediately noticing this 486 00:44:31.519 --> 00:44:37.039 thing is making no sound, nick, and I can't hear any other planes. 487 00:44:37.079 --> 00:44:42.719 I can't hear any other jets. How could I be seeing this thing 488 00:44:42.960 --> 00:44:47.199 that's the size of a giant military plane two miles away from me, maximum 489 00:44:47.719 --> 00:44:54.039 six hundred feet off the ground and not hear the war of a massive jet 490 00:44:54.119 --> 00:44:59.840 engines. That's just impossible. And it also, like I said, is 491 00:45:00.679 --> 00:45:02.559 you know, it's fine along pretty good, but it seems to be going 492 00:45:02.599 --> 00:45:08.679 pretty slow. And then the coloring of it was unusual, somewhere like a 493 00:45:09.000 --> 00:45:14.519 dark tan to gray. So keep in mind, it's big enough that if 494 00:45:14.559 --> 00:45:21.719 it had like a tail, numbers or markings or windows, I would have 495 00:45:21.920 --> 00:45:25.519 clearly been able to see them. I had none of that, No windows, 496 00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:34.159 no markings, no colorings or you know, two toned white on top 497 00:45:34.280 --> 00:45:39.280 and blue on bomb. It was just this one solid color. And as 498 00:45:39.400 --> 00:45:44.920 it's moving, I know I'm going to lose sight of it as it goes 499 00:45:45.039 --> 00:45:49.480 behind the wall of this porch of the house that I'm kind of sitting back 500 00:45:49.559 --> 00:45:53.960 in the corner, So I immediately stand up before it goes behind that, 501 00:45:54.199 --> 00:45:58.440 so I can keep my eye on the thing. Right and prolonged the sighting, 502 00:45:58.920 --> 00:46:00.360 I stand up and go to the edge of the port so I'll be 503 00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:05.840 able to maintain my view of it, and I keep my eyes on it 504 00:46:06.000 --> 00:46:09.599 the entire time. I never take my eyes off it. And it continues 505 00:46:09.760 --> 00:46:14.920 for you know, another four seconds that I can see it or so, 506 00:46:15.039 --> 00:46:21.480 and at that point it does this turn away from me. It would be 507 00:46:21.599 --> 00:46:27.480 making a left hand turn headed towards the north, but there was something odd 508 00:46:27.800 --> 00:46:31.480 about this turn, and the way it moved, and it's really hard to 509 00:46:31.679 --> 00:46:37.079 describe because it doesn't make any sense in terms of a plane or how things 510 00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:45.639 normally fly. It seems like it kind of somehow curves, but it's moving 511 00:46:46.480 --> 00:46:53.280 more like diagonally. It's changing its direction slowly, but it's it's not making 512 00:46:53.360 --> 00:46:57.599 a curve. I don't know if that makes any sense. It's going a 513 00:46:57.679 --> 00:47:00.519 little bit left and a little bit forward and a little bit left on it 514 00:47:00.039 --> 00:47:06.119 more like a straight diagonal than like if it was a plane that tipped its 515 00:47:06.159 --> 00:47:10.400 wings and is making a slow, gentle curve. So it's turning, but 516 00:47:10.559 --> 00:47:16.079 not in a normal fashion. So it does this turn and the other odd 517 00:47:16.119 --> 00:47:20.920 thing. When I've thought about this before, I still don't see wings. 518 00:47:21.280 --> 00:47:24.599 And if it was a plane and made this pretty sharp turn, I should 519 00:47:24.639 --> 00:47:30.079 have seen the wing closest to me pop up into the air right, But 520 00:47:30.519 --> 00:47:34.639 that doesn't happen, and maybe the furthest wing away from me go down. 521 00:47:35.119 --> 00:47:39.119 But I never see wings. And now at that point it's engined, should 522 00:47:39.119 --> 00:47:46.360 be facing me and blasting me, and then it vanishes, boom gone. 523 00:47:47.239 --> 00:47:53.760 It just disappears, and I'm looking at it. I haven't lost sight of 524 00:47:53.840 --> 00:48:00.840 it. It's still really big. It didn't go behind anything. It's a 525 00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:06.760 clear day, it's close up, and it just vanished. And I looked, 526 00:48:06.840 --> 00:48:10.000 and I kept looking, and I'm like, is it that disappeared in 527 00:48:10.079 --> 00:48:14.960 the sun went away from the light? It's going to reappear. And I 528 00:48:15.039 --> 00:48:17.400 stood there and looked and looked, and I'm like, no, it's gone. 529 00:48:19.880 --> 00:48:25.400 So I immediately actually kind of jogged back to my cellphone sitting on the 530 00:48:25.599 --> 00:48:30.840 table there, and I picked it up, and I brought up that app 531 00:48:31.000 --> 00:48:37.159 called flight Radar twenty four that you can track the airplanes on. And so 532 00:48:37.239 --> 00:48:42.199 I immediately and it was already on my local area. And so I look, 533 00:48:42.920 --> 00:48:46.960 and there's no airplanes over the valley whatsoever. I can see there's a 534 00:48:47.039 --> 00:48:52.239 couple on the ground at the airport, which is further to the north, 535 00:48:52.199 --> 00:49:00.639 and I see one private plane that's all the way across the valley that's heading 536 00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:06.800 towards me and towards the airport. I actually, after the thing disappeared, 537 00:49:06.880 --> 00:49:12.320 I actually heard that private plane in the distance. So I verified with flight 538 00:49:12.519 --> 00:49:19.119 radar that there were no airplanes in the sky over the valley at that time. 539 00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:24.159 And I was just like, what was that? My brother was home. 540 00:49:24.360 --> 00:49:30.199 I met was staying at my brother's house, and later that afternoon, 541 00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:34.800 forty five minutes later, I said, man, I just saw another UFO. 542 00:49:35.840 --> 00:49:37.599 He's like, what do you see? And I told him and he's 543 00:49:37.639 --> 00:49:45.480 like, huh, that's weird. And there was another thing that really tell 544 00:49:45.559 --> 00:49:51.639 anybody about or think that much about for a while, almost like the first 545 00:49:51.719 --> 00:49:59.039 one, sort of disappeared from my memory because my brain just couldn't compute it. 546 00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:02.039 It still can't. It doesn't know what to do with it. It 547 00:50:02.159 --> 00:50:07.320 doesn't make sense. I can't explain it, so it doesn't want to think 548 00:50:07.360 --> 00:50:12.599 about it, and it's just no, no, we can't make sense of 549 00:50:12.679 --> 00:50:15.960 it, don't want to think about it. So that was my second sighting 550 00:50:16.280 --> 00:50:23.320 another interest in one a few Yeah. What was cool about that one to 551 00:50:23.480 --> 00:50:30.079 me was one i'd been doing the CE five protocol had had freaking worked. 552 00:50:31.079 --> 00:50:37.599 And on that note, I had learned about it five six years before the 553 00:50:37.159 --> 00:50:42.320 C five protocol, and I had tried it a few times and it never 554 00:50:42.440 --> 00:50:45.360 worked, and so I kind of was like eh, and got a little 555 00:50:45.400 --> 00:50:47.119 frustrated. I'm like, it might work for some people, doesn't work for 556 00:50:47.239 --> 00:50:53.440 me. Interestingly, this summer before when I had my first sighting in early 557 00:50:53.599 --> 00:51:00.639 summer, like June and July, I had actually done the CE five protocol, 558 00:51:00.480 --> 00:51:06.760 probably at least two maybe three times, but again it never worked. 559 00:51:07.880 --> 00:51:10.360 But I don't know if maybe I did it early and they showed up late 560 00:51:10.440 --> 00:51:14.079 they were like, ah, you gotta wait till August. But then, 561 00:51:14.960 --> 00:51:19.280 because I had had a sighting and for some reason I don't know, wanted 562 00:51:19.360 --> 00:51:24.360 another one or something, I had done the protocol and told them exactly where 563 00:51:24.480 --> 00:51:30.840 to appear, and then I see this thing that I I can't describe now, 564 00:51:30.840 --> 00:51:34.920 don't know what the heck to make of the thing. Coincidence, nick, 565 00:51:35.920 --> 00:51:39.719 I did the C five protocol and you know, twenty thirty minutes later 566 00:51:39.880 --> 00:51:44.960 see this bizarre thing. And the other thing about it, of course, 567 00:51:45.079 --> 00:51:50.039 is it was a total daylight sighting. You know, there's not lights in 568 00:51:50.119 --> 00:51:55.559 the sky. This is a weird cigar shaped thing with a huge tail. 569 00:51:57.039 --> 00:52:00.519 And if they had wings like an airplane, I shirt didn't. In so 570 00:52:00.039 --> 00:52:05.239 well, you know, I don't really believe in coincidence. It's very possible 571 00:52:05.519 --> 00:52:08.639 possibly summoned something, but that isn't a strange object. Did you think of 572 00:52:08.719 --> 00:52:14.639 the time to pull either of these, you know, after the first sighting, 573 00:52:15.280 --> 00:52:19.760 I did think to report it to move On, you know, I 574 00:52:20.360 --> 00:52:23.519 wasn't going to like call the local sheriff or anything. And then I checked 575 00:52:23.559 --> 00:52:29.679 out the move On website and because I also wanted to investigate how many sightings 576 00:52:29.719 --> 00:52:32.079 we have around in the area and the valley where I saw the second sighting. 577 00:52:32.679 --> 00:52:37.400 We actually get a lot of UFO sightings around here, and it's not 578 00:52:37.760 --> 00:52:42.239 that big of a population. Maybe one hundred thousand people live here, and 579 00:52:42.800 --> 00:52:49.239 our local UFO Facebook group as like fifteen thousand members. Wow, and like 580 00:52:49.360 --> 00:52:52.239 everybody's like, we see them around here all the time. And interestingly, 581 00:52:52.360 --> 00:52:59.719 you're probably familiar with Skinwalker Ranch. We're probably as the crow Flies seventy miles 582 00:52:59.719 --> 00:53:05.079 away from that, you know, so we're kind of in a not too 583 00:53:05.159 --> 00:53:12.519 far from kind of some hotspot paranormal UFO activity area. But when I looked 584 00:53:12.599 --> 00:53:16.960 up Moufon, I was really disappointed in trying to check out sightings in the 585 00:53:17.079 --> 00:53:22.239 area. Their stuff was six months old, they had one month of data, 586 00:53:22.320 --> 00:53:25.480 it didn't have details. I was like, what happened to your online 587 00:53:25.599 --> 00:53:29.360 database? And I'm like, if you're not going to put your stuff out 588 00:53:29.440 --> 00:53:34.400 to people, nobody's going to see my report, and so I thought about 589 00:53:34.679 --> 00:53:39.519 maybe the other organization, the like National UFO Reporting Network, I might you 590 00:53:39.599 --> 00:53:44.119 know, go to them, but no, I haven't done any reports on 591 00:53:44.239 --> 00:53:47.280 it. And on the first setting, I'd like to go back up there 592 00:53:47.440 --> 00:53:52.760 to that area and take photographs of exactly where I saw it and do some 593 00:53:52.960 --> 00:53:59.719 measurements and calculations, and then I can also do like a use a photoshop 594 00:53:59.800 --> 00:54:04.119 at and take the actual photo and then put in the lights so you could 595 00:54:04.159 --> 00:54:08.000 see like the size and the position instead of doing like a hand drawing. 596 00:54:08.840 --> 00:54:13.440 And I do want to add on that first one where it was flying because 597 00:54:13.480 --> 00:54:16.480 I'm kind of on a ridge. It does kind of drop down into a 598 00:54:16.719 --> 00:54:23.480 valley there and drops down maybe eight hundred feet, but that valley's really narrow, 599 00:54:24.119 --> 00:54:30.760 so I think that craft was actually flying up that very narrow valley, 600 00:54:30.599 --> 00:54:36.400 so you know, it wasn't necessarily two hundred feet above the ground. It 601 00:54:36.519 --> 00:54:39.559 was two hundred feet above me. So maybe there's one thousand feet above the 602 00:54:39.639 --> 00:54:44.880 ground, but it was much closer to the edge of the valley that I 603 00:54:45.159 --> 00:54:49.199 was on than like flying down the middle of the valley, and that valley 604 00:54:49.920 --> 00:54:52.960 is so narrow at the bottom, you could throw a rock from one side 605 00:54:52.000 --> 00:54:55.679 to the other. I mean that it's not like a broad valley. So 606 00:54:57.079 --> 00:55:01.360 yeah, I haven't made any reports yet, but I thought about doing drawings 607 00:55:01.440 --> 00:55:07.880 for both of them and maybe doing some reporting. Yeah, it's important, 608 00:55:07.960 --> 00:55:10.039 you know, if anyone has a sight in just report it. I mean, 609 00:55:10.119 --> 00:55:14.719 I understand about mof ON. A lot of their information can be difficult 610 00:55:14.760 --> 00:55:16.519 to get hold of. If you're a member, then obviously that's a little 611 00:55:16.519 --> 00:55:22.000 bit different. My preferred organization is the National UFO Reporting Center. Peter Davenport 612 00:55:22.079 --> 00:55:25.320 does a great job with that. And plus you know, you can check 613 00:55:25.400 --> 00:55:30.599 the area. You can check if there's any recent sightings around there or the 614 00:55:30.800 --> 00:55:34.719 roughly the same time as you had your own sighting. So I kind of 615 00:55:34.760 --> 00:55:37.599 prefer it in a way, and it's never too late, even if your 616 00:55:37.679 --> 00:55:40.039 site, in your experience, was thirty years ago. Just report it because 617 00:55:40.440 --> 00:55:44.840 there could be someone else out there which is also trall in the databases and 618 00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:47.159 trying to make it maybe maybe a connection to their own sighting. Not just 619 00:55:47.239 --> 00:55:51.440 handy for people, but it's also handy for researchers that are also trying to 620 00:55:51.480 --> 00:55:54.559 dig up some information too. Yeah, I was talking about how much activity 621 00:55:54.639 --> 00:56:01.440 and settings we have in this valley and that I live in. And you 622 00:56:01.559 --> 00:56:06.360 know, this summer, Nick, I would sit out at night on the 623 00:56:06.440 --> 00:56:09.920 same porch and got a great view out there, and I would see these 624 00:56:10.079 --> 00:56:15.079 lights. I can't explain. They just appeared like I'm sitting there looking at 625 00:56:15.119 --> 00:56:21.639 the sky and a bright light would appear like a star out of know where. 626 00:56:21.639 --> 00:56:28.000 It would just light up and real bright, venus bright and one second 627 00:56:28.159 --> 00:56:32.679 one thousand and one and then just fade out, gone. And then five 628 00:56:32.760 --> 00:56:37.599 seconds later, a short distance away in the sky, another one would do 629 00:56:37.760 --> 00:56:45.280 that. And then yeah, two seconds later another one light up, and 630 00:56:45.440 --> 00:56:52.679 then maybe fifteen twenty seconds later another one would light up. They never stayed 631 00:56:52.719 --> 00:56:57.800 lit, they didn't move. They kind of all appeared in different areas, 632 00:56:58.280 --> 00:57:01.960 but well in the scene general area, but not in the same position. 633 00:57:02.760 --> 00:57:08.800 And I watched that every single night for maybe ten days, and then it 634 00:57:09.000 --> 00:57:13.960 stopped, and I'd go out there every night of summer and I never saw 635 00:57:13.960 --> 00:57:17.400 it. Also seemed to happen at the same time around ten thirty, but 636 00:57:17.599 --> 00:57:22.440 it's not something I can probably get a good video of. And then if 637 00:57:22.480 --> 00:57:23.679 I did, what are you going to see a black sky and then a 638 00:57:24.920 --> 00:57:29.039 little white light appears. People be like, oh, photoshop, bake, 639 00:57:29.280 --> 00:57:31.679 doctor cgi. I mean, it's not going to show anything. So I'm 640 00:57:31.719 --> 00:57:36.360 like, yeah, okay, that's weird. Probably I don't know. I 641 00:57:36.480 --> 00:57:40.039 wanted to see if there's some weird thing where sometimes satellites will reflect the sun 642 00:57:40.400 --> 00:57:45.840 but they're spinning, so then they go on and off. But I don't 643 00:57:45.880 --> 00:57:51.920 think that fits. But yeah, it's almost common around here. You kind 644 00:57:51.960 --> 00:57:55.639 of get put into a different bracket than just your regular observer because you have 645 00:57:55.800 --> 00:58:00.440 aircraft experience and you do have a knowledge of aircraft recognition, so you kind 646 00:58:00.480 --> 00:58:05.400 of know what you looking at. You understand about distance and how things can 647 00:58:05.599 --> 00:58:08.239 be confused, and you know, we know seeing things at angles and the 648 00:58:08.400 --> 00:58:13.840 certain lighting conditions. Yeah, and I you know, I studied astronomy. 649 00:58:13.960 --> 00:58:16.079 I know my stars really well. So I'm out. You know, I 650 00:58:16.159 --> 00:58:20.000 can be out at night and there's like a bright light and I'm like, 651 00:58:20.199 --> 00:58:23.400 oh, that's venus. You know, Oh that's stupid, or oh that's 652 00:58:23.519 --> 00:58:28.119 serious. You know, it's kind of blinks and changes colors and it's got 653 00:58:28.159 --> 00:58:30.480 some red shift and appears to wobble. A lot of people that think they're 654 00:58:30.480 --> 00:58:35.239 seeing a UFO. They're they're seeing serious. So I know my sky pretty 655 00:58:35.280 --> 00:58:40.800 well. And also I actually had a NASA scholarship in college and had space 656 00:58:40.840 --> 00:58:45.519 studies and got to go to a couple of different NASA centers. I got 657 00:58:45.559 --> 00:58:50.000 to see the Mars Rover, one of the Mars rovers before it went to 658 00:58:50.079 --> 00:58:52.880 bars, and got to stand fifteen feet away from it. I keep up 659 00:58:52.960 --> 00:58:59.039 on you know, astronomy and NASA stuff, and so I'm pretty aware of 660 00:58:59.239 --> 00:59:04.559 like saddles and you know, the space station and star links. So I 661 00:59:04.840 --> 00:59:12.039 try to be pretty rational and methodical and rule things out before I just jump 662 00:59:12.119 --> 00:59:15.320 to the inclusion, Oh there's a UFO. There's a UFO. It's an 663 00:59:15.360 --> 00:59:20.480 alien ship, you know. I try to think about what I'm seeing and 664 00:59:21.000 --> 00:59:24.199 go through a checklist and figure it out. I thought I was seeing, 665 00:59:24.679 --> 00:59:29.360 well, something I didn't understand so and couldn't identify, and I thought it 666 00:59:29.480 --> 00:59:34.360 was a UFO, And after a couple of days of studying it and seeing 667 00:59:34.400 --> 00:59:38.159 it multiple times, I was able to determine it's a satellite. But I 668 00:59:38.320 --> 00:59:43.800 was kind of excited about this day. Oh I think I'm seeing another UFO. 669 00:59:44.360 --> 00:59:45.320 A couple of days later, I figured out, No, that's a 670 00:59:45.360 --> 00:59:58.280 satellite. Do you have an interest in the para normal? You'll love the 671 00:59:58.480 --> 01:00:02.360 unex network dot com. The AX is your streaming audio and video for everything 672 01:00:02.480 --> 01:00:08.880 supernatural, strange and mysterious like UFOs, Bigfoot, Ghost and so much more 673 01:00:09.119 --> 01:00:15.519 from host like Clyde, Lewis Whitley, streamer Mikah Hanks, and Christina Gomez. 674 01:00:15.840 --> 01:00:19.639 Visit the unexnetwork dot com show page for a complete list of all the 675 01:00:19.760 --> 01:00:23.039 paranormal programs you'll find on the AX. Be sure to follow us on Twitter 676 01:00:23.159 --> 01:00:29.239 for updates at k u nx dB. Follow our Facebook group unex Network. 677 01:00:29.519 --> 01:00:35.559 Find the podcast on Spotify, iHeart Audible and Apple podcast. It's time it 678 01:00:35.800 --> 01:00:45.639 ew It's the x x X. People have to realize, you know, 679 01:00:45.719 --> 01:00:49.840 I mean, there are so many satellites up there at the minute, and 680 01:00:50.199 --> 01:00:54.239 it seems to be the SpaceX just pumping another twenty four, another twenty four 681 01:00:54.360 --> 01:00:58.159 every couple of days, so that you know there's a lot of activity up 682 01:00:58.199 --> 01:01:02.440 there, but sound like it's just continue moving. They going one straight linear 683 01:01:02.559 --> 01:01:07.800 path. When people see lights which I think is a satellite, and then 684 01:01:07.880 --> 01:01:10.480 it goes off and makes a strange turn. It goes off at a different 685 01:01:10.519 --> 01:01:15.480 angle, chances are that that wouldn't be a satellite. Change speed makes ninety 686 01:01:15.559 --> 01:01:20.079 degree terms, Yeah, that's not a satellite. Definitely not a satellite. 687 01:01:20.079 --> 01:01:22.440 And I know there is some very bright satellite. I know there's another satellite 688 01:01:22.480 --> 01:01:24.960 that's gone up within the last year. I forget the name of it, 689 01:01:25.119 --> 01:01:30.119 but I know it's a lot brighter than the ISS, because when the ISS 690 01:01:30.199 --> 01:01:32.199 comes over that's very bright. It looks like it's very low, especially if 691 01:01:32.239 --> 01:01:36.599 you've never seen it before. But again, if it's moving on a linear 692 01:01:36.679 --> 01:01:39.400 path, chances I will be a satellite. Yeah, this when I was 693 01:01:39.480 --> 01:01:44.159 observing a little interesting. First of all, like I said, I have 694 01:01:44.280 --> 01:01:49.519 a habit of hanging out on this porch and stargazing, and so I'm real 695 01:01:49.639 --> 01:01:52.639 familiar with, you know, the stars that are up there and used to 696 01:01:52.760 --> 01:01:57.320 the scene and you know, you get to recognize them and things like that. 697 01:01:58.119 --> 01:02:02.039 And this one I started seeing maybe a week ago, just a week 698 01:02:02.119 --> 01:02:07.400 ago. I'm like, uh, that's not a star. That doesn't belong 699 01:02:07.519 --> 01:02:10.599 there. And I was seeing it, you know, in early nighttime, 700 01:02:12.199 --> 01:02:15.239 and that's not usually there. That's not a star. I don't know what 701 01:02:15.679 --> 01:02:21.760 that is, but it seemed to be really stationary. It wasn't moving at 702 01:02:21.800 --> 01:02:24.960 the speed of satellite would and so that's why I was curious about it. 703 01:02:24.960 --> 01:02:29.159 I'm like, it's not a star and not moving like a satellite or the 704 01:02:29.199 --> 01:02:32.599 space station. So that's what got me real curious about it. And then 705 01:02:32.800 --> 01:02:38.800 because it appeared repeatedly at the exact same location, I was like, Okay, 706 01:02:39.000 --> 01:02:43.800 maybe this is a geostationary satellite. But then it was weird. When 707 01:02:43.840 --> 01:02:46.639 I got up early for the show this morning, I saw it and it 708 01:02:46.760 --> 01:02:52.719 was a bit higher, but it was you know, if you went straight 709 01:02:52.840 --> 01:02:59.280 down vertically, it was in the exact same position, so longitude would be 710 01:02:59.599 --> 01:03:01.760 exactly the same, and the brightness was same, and I was, Oh, 711 01:03:01.840 --> 01:03:06.679 there's that satellite. And I'm like, wait a minute. It's five 712 01:03:06.760 --> 01:03:10.920 o'clock in the morning, and usually I see that thing even lower at ten 713 01:03:12.000 --> 01:03:15.639 o'clock at night, so that that can't be if it's a geostationary satellite. 714 01:03:15.719 --> 01:03:21.559 So if it's a satellite, it's not geostationary. But then I continued to 715 01:03:22.320 --> 01:03:27.559 watch it and monitor it, and it's not going at normal satellite speed, 716 01:03:27.679 --> 01:03:34.920 so I'm considering that it's sort of like a you know, a spy satellite 717 01:03:35.119 --> 01:03:43.480 or a mapping satellite, so it's in this interesting speed to where you know 718 01:03:43.840 --> 01:03:47.840 it's mapping. So at one time it might be over the United States during 719 01:03:47.880 --> 01:03:52.480 the day and one time at night or different times of the day. And 720 01:03:52.599 --> 01:03:58.000 I did recently hear I think North Korea just put up a satellite, I 721 01:03:58.039 --> 01:04:00.440 don't know, three four days ago or something. I don't know if it's 722 01:04:00.480 --> 01:04:05.559 a coincidence, but it seems to me it's probably a military satellite. Yeah, 723 01:04:05.639 --> 01:04:09.360 there is a lot of stuff going out put them in it. Not 724 01:04:09.440 --> 01:04:13.000 all the satellites are in the same height, are they? Some are way 725 01:04:13.159 --> 01:04:16.800 further right, some have lower orbit. When you mentioned flight Radar twenty four, 726 01:04:16.960 --> 01:04:20.440 which is one of my favorite apps, I should really put this as 727 01:04:20.440 --> 01:04:24.960 a list of apps to use on the website. But to those a listeners 728 01:04:25.000 --> 01:04:28.400 that don't know. If you've seen something in the sky and you want to 729 01:04:28.440 --> 01:04:32.519 make sure it's not a plane or a helicopter, download flight Radar twenty four. 730 01:04:32.840 --> 01:04:35.599 It is a good app and I've been using it for years. With 731 01:04:35.719 --> 01:04:40.559 the free version, you can actually go back in time I think about maybe 732 01:04:40.639 --> 01:04:44.840 two to three weeks. So if you saw something last Saturday at a certain 733 01:04:44.920 --> 01:04:47.039 time, put in the details, and then you can look back. I 734 01:04:47.119 --> 01:04:50.480 think for the paid version you get months. I think in itself is a 735 01:04:50.559 --> 01:04:53.760 great app. And then at least that way you can say, you know, 736 01:04:53.840 --> 01:04:58.000 it's not a plane. Of course, some military lights they won't necessarily 737 01:04:58.119 --> 01:05:02.960 be registered on this app. And I think some police helicopters I won't show 738 01:05:03.039 --> 01:05:08.559 up sometimes, so that's one thing to keep in mind. Another good app 739 01:05:08.760 --> 01:05:12.320 is the sky Tonight. I was asked about this the other day, and 740 01:05:12.800 --> 01:05:16.760 you can basically just hold it up and whichever direction you point it would tell 741 01:05:16.800 --> 01:05:19.559 you what's in that direction. So it's how you know where the moon is 742 01:05:19.679 --> 01:05:24.239 and you get to learn a little bit. Yeah, those those are two 743 01:05:24.320 --> 01:05:29.280 great ideas. And if you hadn't mentioned the you know, star Treker apps, 744 01:05:29.360 --> 01:05:32.239 star map things, I was just about to mention it, because those 745 01:05:32.280 --> 01:05:35.800 are the two things that if you're interested in UFO stop or even if you're 746 01:05:35.840 --> 01:05:40.079 not, they have those on your phone. They're free. And then if 747 01:05:40.159 --> 01:05:43.719 you see something you know, you can you know, Like when I had 748 01:05:43.800 --> 01:05:48.440 my daytime sighting, I was I was on my cellphone looking at the plane 749 01:05:48.519 --> 01:05:55.599 activity within fifteen seconds, so I could rule out that it was a jet 750 01:05:55.840 --> 01:05:59.639 or any aircraft. But between the two, you see a light in the 751 01:05:59.679 --> 01:06:02.880 sky and you can, you know, you put up this star treker thing 752 01:06:03.559 --> 01:06:06.960 and let's say it's not moving, and you point it right at it, 753 01:06:08.039 --> 01:06:12.440 and it's like, oh, that's Venus. The funny story of they had 754 01:06:12.880 --> 01:06:15.920 I don't know in the last year. I think they had a major blackout 755 01:06:15.119 --> 01:06:20.960 in Los Angeles and the police station got flooded with like a thousand calls of 756 01:06:21.079 --> 01:06:26.440 this UFO report, you know, so it turns out, of course it's 757 01:06:26.519 --> 01:06:30.719 Venus. But they have such bad light pollution in the city there. The 758 01:06:30.800 --> 01:06:35.559 people had never seen Venus, so they thought it was a UFO. It's 759 01:06:35.679 --> 01:06:39.039 understandable. I mean, even if you go into the the you know, 760 01:06:39.159 --> 01:06:43.760 the really really old UFO books from the seventies and eighties, even before that, 761 01:06:44.000 --> 01:06:45.239 you know, that's the near enough the first thing on the list, 762 01:06:45.440 --> 01:06:48.239 check it's not Venus, because it could be what you're seeing is Venus. 763 01:06:48.320 --> 01:06:51.119 A lot of people, you know, they have no interest in this guy, 764 01:06:51.280 --> 01:06:55.599 you know, not necessarily saying that. People always looking at their phones 765 01:06:55.920 --> 01:06:58.920 and focused on something else. I don't think people look up like they used 766 01:06:58.920 --> 01:07:00.719 to, and people that live in the city, you don't see the stars 767 01:07:00.760 --> 01:07:03.800 because of the pollution and that so when you know, when you do get 768 01:07:03.840 --> 01:07:09.239 a lot of reports, people are generally seeing something which you know is usually 769 01:07:09.320 --> 01:07:13.400 pretty natural or man made. I said, is an understandable it does happen, 770 01:07:13.679 --> 01:07:17.440 But there is a percentage of these sightings which have absolutely no explanation, 771 01:07:18.159 --> 01:07:23.239 right, And you know, that's probably a message I would like to get 772 01:07:23.320 --> 01:07:28.039 out to people is look up, look up more, look at the sky, 773 01:07:28.440 --> 01:07:31.239 and even sometimes in the day. It's surprising the number of daytime UFO 774 01:07:31.360 --> 01:07:35.239 sightings, but you know, look up at night. I enjoy the stars, 775 01:07:35.519 --> 01:07:39.760 and you know, or get out of town and enjoy them, or 776 01:07:40.360 --> 01:07:43.880 or even if you can't see the stars, hang out in your backyard in 777 01:07:43.960 --> 01:07:46.280 the summer and look up, because if you can't see the stars and you 778 01:07:46.400 --> 01:07:53.239 see some bright thing when you can't see these stars. Okay, But the 779 01:07:53.400 --> 01:07:59.239 thing I've noticed is after my first sighting and then spending this whole summer doing 780 01:07:59.280 --> 01:08:03.480 a hack of a lot more looking up and sky watching. Man, I've 781 01:08:03.679 --> 01:08:08.519 seen a ton of stuff and you're starting to you kind of start to get 782 01:08:08.559 --> 01:08:12.199 the idea, like, man, these things are flying around all the time. 783 01:08:12.360 --> 01:08:15.319 We just don't notice them because we're not looking, and everybody's looking at 784 01:08:15.359 --> 01:08:20.800 their cell phones and hanging out inside and nobody's out looking at the night sky. 785 01:08:21.399 --> 01:08:26.039 Yeah. I think they're more more common than you might think, and 786 01:08:26.159 --> 01:08:29.119 you've got a better chance of seeing one if you're looking up. Yeah. 787 01:08:29.199 --> 01:08:33.159 Absolutely, But I do think probably preaching to the convert already, because you 788 01:08:33.199 --> 01:08:35.960 know, listeners to the show, I guarantee that's exactly what they're doing. 789 01:08:36.039 --> 01:08:39.439 I must I do say that at the end of the show, keep watching 790 01:08:39.439 --> 01:08:42.960 the skies every week, which I must add I got that from from the 791 01:08:43.119 --> 01:08:46.920 nineteen fifties black and white film The Thing, Keep watching the skies, right 792 01:08:47.520 --> 01:08:50.600 right. Someone did ask me about that the other day. Our listeners, 793 01:08:50.600 --> 01:08:55.199 you know, I'm sure just about all of them will spend their time, 794 01:08:55.279 --> 01:08:57.520 you know, when they go out dog walking, or they you know, 795 01:08:57.560 --> 01:09:00.640 they're on the on the way to work early in the morning, in taking 796 01:09:00.680 --> 01:09:02.720 a look up, taking the sky in. I reckon. Those are my 797 01:09:02.920 --> 01:09:11.840 two tails and two experiences I'm thankful for. I don't know quite what to 798 01:09:11.960 --> 01:09:15.079 make of them. But like a lot of people say that I've had a 799 01:09:15.279 --> 01:09:20.119 sighting is you know, I know what I saw, and it may not 800 01:09:20.359 --> 01:09:25.239 be that you know exactly what you saw, but you know what it was 801 01:09:25.399 --> 01:09:29.680 not. No, if one in an airplane, you know, it's like, 802 01:09:29.920 --> 01:09:32.159 I know what I saw. You don't have to believe anymore. You 803 01:09:32.239 --> 01:09:34.680 know, if you haven't seen one, you've got to kind of believe in 804 01:09:34.760 --> 01:09:39.600 it or think maybe it's true or probably true or whereever you're at. Well, 805 01:09:39.680 --> 01:09:43.199 once you've seen one, had your experience, you're like, Okay, 806 01:09:43.680 --> 01:09:46.439 now I know I don't have to believe or take it on faith. Now 807 01:09:46.560 --> 01:09:50.439 I know when you hear other people's accounts, now you're not just kind of 808 01:09:50.520 --> 01:09:55.319 taking a face value. You are thinking, chances are this is what they 809 01:09:55.399 --> 01:09:59.439 saw. Right. Well, finally in the day and age where you know, 810 01:09:59.600 --> 01:10:03.000 the US government and public congressional hearings that come out and been like, 811 01:10:03.239 --> 01:10:08.399 yep, they're real, and yeah, we got them on video with multiple 812 01:10:08.520 --> 01:10:12.399 sensors, and that is indeed our video. You know, the go fast 813 01:10:12.520 --> 01:10:15.840 and the gimbal and the ticktaut and there are other reports and they're just like, 814 01:10:16.039 --> 01:10:19.119 yeah, we don't know exactly what they are, but they're a thing. 815 01:10:19.520 --> 01:10:25.640 And so when the US government that's covered it up and won't say crowd 816 01:10:25.720 --> 01:10:29.640 about it, for seventy years finally comes out and says, yep, it's 817 01:10:29.720 --> 01:10:33.640 a thing well that even the most skeptical person or you know, can start 818 01:10:33.720 --> 01:10:38.199 going, okay, there's something here. Now. The people that used to 819 01:10:38.279 --> 01:10:42.439 be the you know, crazy as their tinfoil hats or got a hard time 820 01:10:42.560 --> 01:10:46.119 for telling their stories to get taken more seriously, and there's not as much 821 01:10:46.960 --> 01:10:54.600 being scared to tell it or being scorned or ridiculed. It's more acceptable and 822 01:10:54.720 --> 01:10:59.520 normal, and that's a good thing that encourages people to come out and talk 823 01:10:59.560 --> 01:11:02.720 about these things. You know. There's a great story, amazing experience that 824 01:11:02.800 --> 01:11:05.479 a guy had fifty years ago and never told him body. Yeah, he 825 01:11:05.640 --> 01:11:10.600 was just afraid I was going to be treated and then he finally since society 826 01:11:10.600 --> 01:11:13.600 has changed warmed up, he was like, okay, I guess I could 827 01:11:13.760 --> 01:11:16.880 tell my story with that being considered a weird on that then that's exactly what's 828 01:11:16.920 --> 01:11:21.640 happened. I've had new listeners come into the show which had no interest in 829 01:11:21.680 --> 01:11:25.279 it before, and yes, as soon as the government came out saying all 830 01:11:25.319 --> 01:11:29.920 this, and it's then becoming a little bit more acceptable and people which weren't 831 01:11:29.960 --> 01:11:32.560 really interested in the subjects you know, and now talking about it. So 832 01:11:33.359 --> 01:11:36.920 it is a good thing. I think things are probably going to be continue 833 01:11:36.960 --> 01:11:40.640 being as slow as they are. Every week there seems to be a new 834 01:11:40.680 --> 01:11:45.359 revelation that's coming out, someone else that's whistleblowing. There's definitely something that they're 835 01:11:45.479 --> 01:11:47.680 hiding, and I think, you know, it goes, you know, 836 01:11:47.840 --> 01:11:51.359 straight to the top. There's a lot of factions involved and a lot of 837 01:11:51.479 --> 01:11:57.880 secrets which i'd imagine people don't really want let out. There's another country other 838 01:11:57.920 --> 01:12:01.520 than the United States or the UK that is going to come forward and be 839 01:12:01.600 --> 01:12:04.680 a lot more open about, you know, possibly things that they have. 840 01:12:05.159 --> 01:12:10.199 I think in turn that the US will have to come out to do their 841 01:12:10.239 --> 01:12:14.039 best to come out first, because you don't want to be someone that's coming 842 01:12:14.079 --> 01:12:17.319 out second. If you understand my drift right kind of reminds me of you 843 01:12:17.399 --> 01:12:21.640 know, the space race between the States and the old Soviet Union. That's 844 01:12:21.680 --> 01:12:26.119 exactly what that was. It was it was important to be first. Yeah, 845 01:12:26.479 --> 01:12:30.319 and you know, along those lines of what you're talking about. I 846 01:12:30.399 --> 01:12:35.239 don't know if you've heard this, but so in the United States, in 847 01:12:35.720 --> 01:12:45.720 this year's defense budget authorization, which got delayed for you know, political reasons, 848 01:12:45.000 --> 01:12:49.239 but is just about to be passed or it's right around this time, 849 01:12:49.399 --> 01:12:54.640 or they got to get it done. And I've actually read the parts of 850 01:12:54.680 --> 01:13:02.199 it that they have a whole section of new leddation that's like literally it's entitled 851 01:13:02.479 --> 01:13:12.399 UAP Disclosure. And so it's all about really having this legislated program and putting 852 01:13:12.479 --> 01:13:20.479 into law that military people with inside knowledge of like reverse engineering, downcraft all 853 01:13:20.600 --> 01:13:27.399 that stuff, have the materials, know where the materials are, or even 854 01:13:27.520 --> 01:13:31.119 into subcontractors, you know, that work with the government and they firm this 855 01:13:31.199 --> 01:13:35.399 stuff out. You're free to come forward and tell us this stuff and we'll 856 01:13:35.439 --> 01:13:42.960 give you protection. But then it also mandates that if they have this knowledge, 857 01:13:43.279 --> 01:13:47.720 they're required by law to inform Congress and say, yeah, I know 858 01:13:47.840 --> 01:13:53.680 about this stuff. I worked on this reverse engineering program, or I work 859 01:13:53.760 --> 01:13:58.720 at a company that has this exotic material, you know, or whatever, 860 01:13:59.520 --> 01:14:03.520 like they and be panalized and put in jail and stuff if they don't. 861 01:14:03.680 --> 01:14:09.600 And so they get this like I think it's a ninety day grace period, 862 01:14:10.079 --> 01:14:14.279 and so it's like you got a free pass to come forward and we're going 863 01:14:14.359 --> 01:14:16.520 to protect you, and you get immunity and everything. Like that. I 864 01:14:16.520 --> 01:14:19.960 don't remember if it's three months or six months. And then after that, 865 01:14:20.279 --> 01:14:27.039 if you haven't and you continue to withhold it, you're breaking the law. 866 01:14:27.479 --> 01:14:30.399 And I think they want to use that to get some whistleblowers and find out 867 01:14:30.439 --> 01:14:34.720 where some of this stuff might be, because I think they pretty much want 868 01:14:34.760 --> 01:14:39.680 to go in and repossess it and be like this government property, it shouldn't 869 01:14:39.680 --> 01:14:45.319 be stored a Lockheed Martin or wherever. Right, But it's a very slow 870 01:14:45.520 --> 01:14:53.520 thing, like it goes into effect next year and then or are the general 871 01:14:53.880 --> 01:15:00.479 legislation does. It doesn't apply until twenty twenty four, and then these lauses 872 01:15:00.600 --> 01:15:06.159 on the up disclosure doesn't start until three months or six months into the year, 873 01:15:06.479 --> 01:15:12.680 and then they get this six month grace period and like so the actual 874 01:15:12.880 --> 01:15:16.239 fruits of that really aren't going to be I think until the beginning of twenty 875 01:15:16.439 --> 01:15:23.800 twenty five. But they're actually writing this stuff into laws. They seem to 876 01:15:23.880 --> 01:15:28.560 be. It seems like to me the Congress is a little upset that things 877 01:15:28.640 --> 01:15:32.119 have been kept from them and they can't get at them and get told about 878 01:15:32.159 --> 01:15:34.479 them, and so they're like, all right, we're going to write a 879 01:15:34.520 --> 01:15:38.399 lot. We're going to get to the bottom of this. You know, 880 01:15:38.600 --> 01:15:42.880 for those those of us that have been interested in the subject since we were 881 01:15:42.960 --> 01:15:45.000 kids, you know, so so many many years now, one thing we've 882 01:15:45.079 --> 01:15:48.960 happened to be is patient, and we've always known a lot of us ex 883 01:15:49.000 --> 01:15:54.640 experienced already, but we've always had that knowledge that we know they have it. 884 01:15:54.840 --> 01:15:57.720 They have this tech. We know they do. You know, this 885 01:15:57.880 --> 01:16:01.359 isn't just people miss idea things these to report of these objects. So they 886 01:16:01.479 --> 01:16:06.560 have this tech definitely hidden behind tape after tape, and you know, the 887 01:16:06.640 --> 01:16:11.760 people in Congress and even those higher up just have no idea because it's so 888 01:16:12.000 --> 01:16:15.960 compartmentalized, you know, it's it's very difficult. There's someone which knows a 889 01:16:15.000 --> 01:16:18.000 little piece and that someone knows a little piece of that. I'm optimistic. 890 01:16:18.359 --> 01:16:25.039 I can be very doubted of pretty much anything that comes out of any country's 891 01:16:25.680 --> 01:16:28.319 government. But I'm you know, I'm a little bit more optimistic than I 892 01:16:28.640 --> 01:16:31.039 was a couple of years ago. That that's for sure. I think interesting 893 01:16:31.119 --> 01:16:36.199 things are ahead, hopefully sooner rather than later. But this stuff is definitely 894 01:16:36.279 --> 01:16:40.439 there, and they have a lot more than they've certainly let on so far. 895 01:16:40.840 --> 01:16:44.159 I agree, Well, Nick It's been a real pleasure talking to you, 896 01:16:44.279 --> 01:16:49.720 and I really appreciate the opportunity to share my stories. And you know, 897 01:16:49.880 --> 01:16:54.359 if I have another one, you'll be the first guy a call man. 898 01:16:55.000 --> 01:16:57.920 We are glad to hear it. Matt. I really appreciate you coming 899 01:16:58.000 --> 01:17:02.399 on sharing that two very very interesting sightings. And did always say we've always 900 01:17:02.399 --> 01:17:05.319 wanted to see a UFO since you were a kid, and now you have. 901 01:17:05.880 --> 01:17:13.039 Yeah, asking thou shout receive or be careful what you asked for depends 902 01:17:13.079 --> 01:17:15.359 on which way you look at it. All right, Well, well we'll 903 01:17:15.439 --> 01:17:19.439 catch up again sometime. I might just drop your email sometimes say hello, 904 01:17:19.960 --> 01:17:23.880 yeah, keep in contact match. Okay, sounds good, by great, 905 01:17:23.920 --> 01:17:26.000 Matt. You enjoyed the rest of your day, all right, and we 906 01:17:26.079 --> 01:17:29.760 will talk soon. Okay, Thanks bye for now, Matt. That's all 907 01:17:29.840 --> 01:17:33.359 for this week. Keep updated and connected with the show on x Facebook and 908 01:17:33.600 --> 01:17:36.520 Instagram. And if you have an encounter that you'd like to share on the 909 01:17:36.600 --> 01:17:42.720 podcast, you can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com, or 910 01:17:42.880 --> 01:17:46.199 you can reach out to me via the contact page on my website UFO Chronicles 911 01:17:46.279 --> 01:17:50.600 podcast dot com. A big fan in the mat for sharing tonight and thank 912 01:17:50.640 --> 01:17:55.800 you all for listening. I will be back next week. Till then, 913 01:17:56.239 --> 01:18:00.319 stay safe and keep watching the skies by