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It gives us flexibility and we try
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that way. But again, I
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and you know clearly it's the guests. I'm glad you guys are choking for

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the guests. We had Keith Parish
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I just wanted to throw that note
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The belly flopped into this mail bag. Had a lot of great questions,

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which again I sent. I sent
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because this was a pivot on our
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pivot. Excuse me, though,
so that's totally fine. I'm going to

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start with a question about the Celtics
Bucks here since this could technically become pretty

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dated, you know, once it's
answered. But the NBA chicken, who's

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currently the NHL chicken on Twitter,
that's at least the name on Twitter's handles

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At NBA chicken. What adjustments do
you see the Celtics making to counteract the

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Bucks defensive team They don't like taking
that many threes. Any rotation adjustments.

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Yeah, Boston just chucking fifty three's
in Game one was the site to behold.

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I think some people are of the
mind that they're going to hit their

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threes at a at a higher clip. There might be some players who will.

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I mean, you know, Jason
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though we started slow. Jalen Brown
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percent. Maybe that comes up.
But Boston shot about thirty five point six

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percent on their open and wide open
threes in that game, and Imodoka didn't

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want them to shoot contested threes.
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fifty threes were open or wide open, and that's sort of in line with

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their regular season mark that thirty.
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percent on those open, open threes
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have the type of shooters to just
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game to game basis. We know
there's high variants in a Marcus Smart performance

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where yeah, he might go on
to six in Game one, and then

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he could go you know, five
of eight in game two. But he

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could also then just drop off immediately
from there. So I don't think you

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can just count on the Celtics continuing
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then hitting more of their threes.
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happens. I just don't know how
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potential adjustments I am. I don't
want to say I'm at a loss for

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words, because I do have some
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my god, Milwaukee's defense was just
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know, people pointed this out,
but when you were watching, like this

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wasn't just like let's just have Brook
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was coming up higher. Milwaukee's defense
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forcing Katum and Jaylen Brown to their
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these decisions where they were rushed as
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just ever open. And it's so
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change your perception of the series where
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six, maybe it was Celtics in
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the series because Chris Middleton's out.
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defense. A lot of people pointed
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end. I think he's like net
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think he just gives you another body
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one, and that pays dividends.
But there's just so much credit to Milwaukee's

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defense, including Javon Carter just all
over the place. The nets are probably

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watching him like, oh, we
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for us, not only for the
rest of this season, but also next

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season as well. I don't necessarily
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of bust through Milwaukee's defense. They
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We saw them get to the room
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regardless of like what types of coveragers
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kind of built to stop that.
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could try, I do wonder if
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is this a Peyton Pritchard series.
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someone to go after on offense as
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to count on to hit those open
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based off that stint in the first
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isn't going to be a Daniel Tys
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to probably figure out, if Jaylen
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you better navigate those minutes without Jason
Tatum, Because there were stretches cam riverers

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the third quarter of the end of
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towards the end of the first half
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Without Jason Tatum, Milwaukee was able
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substantially. And you know, the
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might have that might have mirrored that
moment. Let me look at my note,

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Yeah, that might have mirrored in
the moment that like, that lineup

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was going up against a Bucks team
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So I must be talking about a
third quarter stint. I don't know

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why I don't have that marked down, so you need to play those minutes

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a little bit better. I'd be
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get to what would be my potential
solutions? Do you try to just downsize

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and create chaos if you're more chaos, if you're that concerned about what the

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Bucks are doing, get to a
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who's typically played off the floor,
but they forced the Bucks into some interesting

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decisions, or maybe they're less willing
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You might prefer to have Bobby Porteris
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he played, He's had just better
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if you're Boston, that is someone
that you can go after. Also,

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what does downsizing look like for this
team? They can go to one big

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route. They've done that a bunch, So you won't have two of Horford

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Williams, or or time Forford and
Grant Williams is they both at the same

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name. You won't have two of
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and they're more willing to do that. I'm thinking more along the lines

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of getting drastic, where it's just
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that something that you're willing to try, I think that hurts you on the

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glass, but if you're a team. And look, Boston didn't do this

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a ton during the regular season,
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them feeling rushed against Milwaukee and not
wanting to have to go up against them

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in the half court. They really
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in Game one, at least relative
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And you know Milwaukee, they're going
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get back anyway. And if you
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of behoove you to hope that you
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maybe a Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum
really help you out there, and then

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just get into your sets with more
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the court with you in addition to
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I don't even know at this point, is it like, is it a

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Grant Williams that there's a facts of
a big The grant Williams and as we're

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not spectacular versus Milwaukee either, So
that's going to be that's someone who holds

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up fairly well on defense across different
matchups, but not you know, al

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Horfor is still gonna be better in
those those situations than him. And so

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I definitely think you need to skew
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That might be something they could they
could really look at. I would

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also wonder if this is a Derek
White series to where I don't want to

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say he felt underutilized. If he's
not going to shoot like an astronomical clip

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from three like yes, he's fine. Is a sort of this secondary passer

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connective tissue of the offense, then
he's going to give you some some juice

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on the defensive end. But just
to have sort of another ball handler option,

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can you run pick and rolls where
Jalen Brown or Jason Tatum are used

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as the screener and you're trying to
open them up for the open threes or

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to get Marcus Smart going and diving
towards the basket more. That's something that

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the Celtics are going to probably have
to try to do it's just up their

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number of just off ball cuts or
having guys dive towards the rim. That

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way, Milwaukee's still going to be
able to do better jobs if they stifled

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a lot of those plays in Game
one. But if it's smaller guys who

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are making bee lines towards the basket, does that give you a little extra

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North South jet fuel to go up
against Milwaukee with. I honestly, I

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don't know, and this you know, the Celtics will adjust. I still

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expect this to be a better series. And you can look at like they

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could they also go the other route. I mean you're looking at Milwaukee and

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it's like they didn't shoot like this
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had Wesley Matthews go one to six
from beyond the arc. Behannest had a

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really good game and it was probably
one of his least efficient games of the

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season. Nine to twenty five from
the floor, six of eleven at the

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foul line. Just someone who's such
a monster on defense, and he had

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twelve assists as well. He's just
absolutely spectacular. So you can't even like

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you won the three point battle.
All Sensibiliaveness by eighteen points from behind the

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arc, you were plus six made
three pointers. Do you look at trying

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to junk up this series even a
little bit more where it's are we really

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going to lean into this bigger stuff, in which case I still think you

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cut even the Pritchard minutes and maybe
just get there and give yourself more of

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Derek White as well. Looking at
the defensive end, I think probably the

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thing that they might be able to
focus on is how do we attack the

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minutes in which Jannie is on the
bench, And I don't know how many

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minutes that's going to end up being. He plays almost thirty eight in a

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game that Milwaukee had pretty handedly towards
the end. Can you count on him

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being on the bench for you know, eight to ten minutes a game?

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Maybe do you try to get away
from are you know, you can't really

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extend adjacent Tatum any further? You
definitely should be extending it out Horford any

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further. Logging thirty six plus minutes
in this loss. We've seen him play

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a ton of minutes in the postseason
just overall. But you just sort of

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consider that, whereas if Yannis maybe
the Bucks just mirror his minutes, But

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do you try and get away with
having Tatum and Brown on the court at

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the same time, just for even
a brief spurt where Yannis isn't on the

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floor to try and make up that
gap you're certainly going to need. I

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think if we're looking at one player
that you say, hey, he's probably

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going to need to play better on
offense, and it's Marcus Smart, well

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it's it's Jason Tatum. I think
that's the bigger one, because he needs

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to be more willing to shoot and
to take the kinds of shots that he

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was during the regular season going up
against the Honest though, I think you

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can understand that this is probably someone
who's going to be, you know,

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towards the bottom of just the percentile
of his performances. No, he shouldn't

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have seven turnovers every single game,
and Boston as a team like, yeah,

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you can do a better job limiting
them. Overall. It was you

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know, I think Jayalen Brown had
just the really the only egregious outing on

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this. You're probably gonna need more
from Marcus Smart as a decision maker,

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both away from the ball and on
the ball. Whether it's are you trying

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to get Tatum and Brown just involved
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You're gonna need to count on him
as that ball handler, unless you want

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to bestow that to Derek White.
And then I would just argue that because

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we've seen it more like, can
you get Marcus Smart going as the screener

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a bunch trying to get him moving
on hill where he can really be put

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in positions to finish. And then
there's of course the variant of they need

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him to shoot better than one of
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need him and Brown ideally would shoot
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going to get the same level of
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at oh, they combined to go
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that's totally fine. It's like,
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that's over forty percent. So those
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I just the Celtics will find a
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a really good team. Their defense
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probably gonna have to get weird with
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you know Jared Weiss of the athletic
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think maybe we see like more stuff
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these driving kicks or these side to
side possessions from Boston. So this series

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has suddenly even more intriguing than I
thought it was going to be. Shame

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on me for underestimating Milwaukee without Chris
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on an absolute scorcher since he went
down, and so you know, they

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might not get as great performances from
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night to night basis, but sometimes
it just comes down to, like you

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have Janice attend to Kopo, and
then like you have really steadying, try

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hard role players with I don't want
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even Wesley Matthews like someone who can
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defense, and even Bobby portis giving
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where you're going to get from Brooke
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and that just gives you this sort
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start from. So the series is
endlessly fascinating for me now and We're just

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gonna have to keep an eye on
what ends up happening with Boston making adjustments

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specifically on offense, and I would
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maybe the way that they're running their
their lineups. Let's get into more general

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questions now that are well, some
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But Braydon, who do you want
to win? Not who should?

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I'm assuming they're talking the playoffs.
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wants great stuff to write about or
tweet about, or to follow and talk

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about, I do root for chaos. But if we're getting into the hashtag

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agenda here, I did pick the
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of the season. I doubled down
after picking them at the beginning of last

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season, so you know, if
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I definitely want the Suns to win. It would also be you know,

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Chris Paul getting a ring to kind
of put some of the lazy postseason

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discourse around him to bed would be
great. Also, Devin Booker specifically seeing

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him win. It does feel like
some are still shocked how good he is

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or they get uncomfortable when we talk
about, Oh, this is someone who's

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really improved defensively, So that would
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that. That's totally narcissistic on my
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win the title, but that's the
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I think the other thing here too
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and I still want to see Suns
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when you sort of look at what's
happening in the East with the Joel and

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Beat injury, I don't know that
I would want to see the Sixers come

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out of the East. Right now, it feels like Suns versus Celtics,

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a rematch between the Suns versus the
Bucks, if we can assume that Chris

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Middleton would be back, those would
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not that I'm not intrigued by Miami, but you know, with Jimmy Butler

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banged up entering the semifinals, does
play in Game one, having the stuff

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with Kyle Lowret, I do wonder
if there's more variants in how poorly they

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could technically play against a better team, and a lot of that energy against

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Philadelphia in Game one, it felt
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night before is what it looked like, and they still found a way to

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pull away and when I don't think
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in the team that's coming out of
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not. If I had a rank, I'd probably rather see I'm gonna say

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Bucks Celtics, even though I think
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followed by the Heat and then the
Sixers. I think if I'm looking at

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at East team that I would like
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That's like I don't really have a
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I mean, Yanna is one of
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We've already seen the Bucks win,
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don't have any like there's too much
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It would be absolutely chaotic if James
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after forcing his way off the Brooklyn
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missed some time against the Heat,
that would be mine melting. Seeing Kyle

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Awry get another ring in Miami,
that's something I could totally enjoy. I

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don't know if I would appreciate the
heat culture tweets that follow, but I

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don't think you can go wrong in
the East right now. The Warriors are

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the Suns are the teams that I
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the West. They would put up
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the Suns are my title pick at
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love Devin Booker mcail bridges. That's
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of a moving truck for. And
I mean camp Johnson just his story,

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the way Deandre's improves like that team
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not advocates of you know, Chris
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but that's a team that I could
very much. Just the energy that

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I really enjoy having followed this season, That's a team that I would really

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like to see when So we have
a few questions on the Jazz Surprise Surprise.

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We're gonna get into more detail with
this when we do. Are you

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know all, like, what's our
biggest questions for each team? Leonate from

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playoffs seating of the off season,
But I think these questions are fair to

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everyone wants to know and they're asking
them. Team Bloom from Discord asked,

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what's the best option for the Jazz
this offseason? What's the most likely outcome

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for the Jazz this offseason? I
say best options to trade Donovan and keep

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Rudy and Snyder. Most likely is
that Rudy has traded, Snyder fired and

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they rebuild around Donovan. Jake g
asked, why, well, so,

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yeah, well we'll go to Jake
g next. Since it's ten Jenzer really

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do this. I would agree with
the overall take of this figures to end

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with Rudy Gobert getting traded. Snyder
is not going to get fired if he

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leaves, is because he wants to
leave, So let's make that clear.

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And ideally, yes, you would
keep him, but he's been offered a

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contract extension for multiple reports and hasn't
signed it, and so that's largely out

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of out of their hands. I
don't know that trading Donovan Mitchell is necessarily

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like the more preferable course. He
is younger, his contract. Look for

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whatever you want to say about Donovan
Mitchell, his contract is going to be

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just better when you look at someone
who can create from the point of attack

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is younger, and both he and
Ruy Goberta playofption for twenty five, twenty

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six, and that final year Rudy
Gobert's forty six point seven million dollars non

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Mitchells on the hook for thirty seven
point one million dollars. Again, that's

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the stage of their careers at which
they are at. But you have someone

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who's younger and in theory does more
for you in the playoffs offensively. That's

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not to say that I don't think
you could go the route of, oh,

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let's move Donovan and try and retool
around Rudy Gobert. But if you

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move Donovan Mitchell like you need to
restructure your entire offense because he is your

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number one option, and I feel
like that's harder to do than cobbling together

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what would be a strong defense.
If you're trading Gobert and maybe you're getting

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back a good big man prospect or
just a solid big man in general,

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and is there any way that you're
getting other perimeter defenders as part of the

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process. Your defense is not going
to be better, but it could just

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be deeper in the sense that you
don't just have this one generational talent plus

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Royce O'Neill, who is not great
in that Maverick ceiling, plus nobody after

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that. I get that there are
red flags. People aren't happy with the

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lack of improvement for Donovan Mitchell at
the defensive end. It's all fair,

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I would argue from this standpoint,
most likely, I think what happens is

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Snyder leaves, Rudy Gobert's traded,
Donovan Mitchell stays, at least in the

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next season. What I think should
happen is, if you're going to trade

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Rudy Gobert, why are you keeping
Donovan Mitchell at that point? If you're

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in trade one of these guys,
you're not getting better any in any case,

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And Donovan Mitchell I would say,
specifically, like that's the package that

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you're not flipping Donovan Mitchell for another
stall, like you could, yeah,

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if you wanted to get like a
Jeremy Grant or even if like Atlanta,

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I probably wouldn't love the fit.
But they're like, yeah, we'll give

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up John Collins, like you're not
getting You're not getting better for that,

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And I'm sort of the mind,
yes, I know that there's the realities

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of the market, and we know
how much Ryan Smith has bought this team

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for and wants to keep fans and
seeds. But like the Jazz fans,

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like they're super loyal, Like those
are people that are gonna put butts in

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their seats, and I'm sure they
would understand a pivot at both their stars

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are unhappy. I just don't know
what you do. Like you're rebuilding regardless

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of who you trade, is my
point. You can call it a retool

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of renovation. I think you're more
likely to move Gobert and be better while

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keeping Mitchell than you are to have
Gobert and still be better while trading Mitchell.

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The on off data can support different
facts there, but Rudy Gobert is

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about to turn thirty. He can't
anchor your offense. And even if it's

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better for next season, I don't
know long term that you are in a

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more favorable state by keeping him over
Donovan Mitchell. So there's the potential to

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have that lateral move where old if
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and stuff from Atlanta, how much
worse are you? I would still argue

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significantly weren't because of how good Rudy
Gobert is, but you're better than keeping

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Obert and trading Donovan Mitchell to the
Knicks for a bunch of picks and like

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some of their young players like quickly
and all the picks. Even if you're

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getting RJ. Barrett in that you're
still in the throws or rebuild. Rudy

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Gobert's not taking that team into title
contention. I think if you're moving one

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of them, moving both of them
should absolutely be on the table, especially

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if Donovan Mitchell is unhappy there.
There's the optics for the league and as

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we talk about the next collective bargaining
agreement, if Donovan Mitchell figures out a

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way to get himself off this team
with technically four years left on his contract,

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three guarantee years, the fourth is
a player option. Yeah, that's

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not great. But if you're on
the fence of where you think that you

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would move Dona Mitchell to keep Rudy
Gobert, then you shouldn't be technically attached

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all that attached to him, And
so that's the that's the school thought Island.

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I do think you should keep Dona
Mitchell if you're choosing between the two.

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Rudy Gobert is probably the more valuable
player. Donovan Mitchell gives you more

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ways to build out your team because
he can at least be like even if

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you trade him, like you just
don't have that long term number two option.

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You're saddle with finding the number one, and like there's that trickle down

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effect there. It's not long term. It's not Buyan Bogdanovich, Jordan Clarkson,

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Mike Conley, those are That's just
the reality you have to come to

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grips with. I still think that
the jaz should probably be open to moving

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both of them if they think they're
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the rumor as we're recording this was
that Rudy Gobert was going to give the

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Jazz and you know, a me
or him ultimatum. Rudy Gobert came out

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on Twitter and like kind of rebuked
that. He tweeted every day there's another

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rumor if I'm the Jazz. That
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Neither Rudy Gilbert Donovan Mitchell is good
enough at a championship level to give that

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the team that ultimatum, Like I'm
not paying if I'm the Jazz I'm not

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paying attention to that insofar as it's
true, but it just it feels like

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it's time. This core is stale, and you can look at it one

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of two ways. Did the Jazz
fuck up by not doing anything substantial at

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the trade deadline other than cutting their
tax bill? Or was that sort of

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a harbinger of we don't really trust
this nucleus to begin with. Why are

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we going to double triple down on
it after we've already doubled down on it

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by investing more long term pick equity
in getting a Jeremy Grant or Harrison Barnes,

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even if those avenues were open to
us. So it could just really

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show a lack of faith in what
they were going to do, what this

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core was capable of, even if
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Would I rule out the Jazz running
it back? I almost at this

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point would. And I think because
you can argue that Quinn Snyder seems like

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such a flight risk, even losing
him would be like this huge material loss,

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so you had to wrap that up. I think the most likely outcome

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is Rudy Gobert gets traded, Clint
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If I'm the Jazz, though I
am, would I consider getting rid

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of Mitchell and keeping Gobert? I
would not, And that's not anything against

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Gobert. It's just at that point, like you're you're entering a a fuller

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scale rebuild just based off Rudy Gobert's
age and then what you need to have

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your offense really hum So, yeah, that's where I'm at with that.

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Jake g asked, why do the
Jazz not take a trade of Gordon Hayward,

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PJ. Washington and James brook Knight
and fifteenth overall for Rudy Gobert assuming

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the requesting trade rumors are true.
I would argue, even if the requesting

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trade rumors aren't true, like the
Hornets are going to be a team that's

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linked to to Gobert. And so
I have another question that from Anthony MURLATCHI

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asked, what are your favorite fits
for Gobert? That's maybe easier who is

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top five or bottom fives? Because
every team gets better with Cobert. I

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love the phrasing of that, your
team is not getting worse because as Rudy

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Gobert, if it, it's probably
franchise mill practice based off what said team

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gave up or what they put around
him. So before I get into my

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favorite destinations or kind of tackling all
the teams that I see, I'll go

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00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,720
from worst to best that I could
see going after him. The Hornet's package.

404
00:26:15,559 --> 00:26:18,759
It's tough. You have Rudy Gobert
over four years one seventy left on

405
00:26:18,799 --> 00:26:22,839
his deal, and that's something where
I think that's where you expect him to

406
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,720
fully opt in that final year of
his contract when we get there, based

407
00:26:25,759 --> 00:26:30,440
on how old he will be.
That doesn't quite feel like enough. Even

408
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:34,480
if you're factoring in that Gobert's market
value is going to be lower than his

409
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:41,400
actual encore value because of the contract. Gordon Ayward, I doubt Utah wants

410
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:42,599
it back after the way that he
left there. You have two years,

411
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:47,599
sixty plus million left on his deal. Maybe there's a third team that's willing

412
00:26:47,599 --> 00:26:51,160
to take him on, But are
they sending Utah anything substantial because as of

413
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,279
right now, PJ. Washington's extension
elige goals. So that's someone you immediately

414
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:57,200
have to turn around and reinvest in. James book Night probably has minimal trade

415
00:26:57,279 --> 00:27:03,000
value, even though he was a
lottery prospect last season. He had a

416
00:27:03,039 --> 00:27:04,799
moment in Summer League, but like
the horse, didn't rely on him that

417
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,799
much this season. So again it's
one of those driving the car off the

418
00:27:08,839 --> 00:27:14,240
lot situations where the pick his,
you know, his where he was drafted,

419
00:27:14,279 --> 00:27:18,400
has more value before he was actually
selected, and so that's come down

420
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,000
quite a bit. I don't know
if you're getting red without including kai Jones

421
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:26,480
and that you're just to give the
Jazz another big man prospect there. I'm

422
00:27:26,519 --> 00:27:30,200
also assuming that they're gonna want more
than just one first round pick, and

423
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,960
it's different if you have a blue
chip prospect you're sending them, but neither

424
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,039
PJ. Washington nor James block Knight
is that blue chip prospect. Charlotte specifically

425
00:27:37,079 --> 00:27:41,839
is also a little bit hamstrung because
they have that first round pick that's lottery

426
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:47,440
protected until the end of time.
That's now owed to Atlanta and it's not

427
00:27:47,519 --> 00:27:48,720
lottery protected at the end of the
time, but the protections on it are

428
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,079
a little bit weird, and so
are the Jazz willing to accept an offer

429
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:56,200
where they're not getting picks until further
down the line, and maybe they can

430
00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:03,119
even get thirteen and fifteen from Charlotte
season. But are they okay with accepting

431
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,559
that? I think at minimum you
need to have both thirteen and fifteen in

432
00:28:06,599 --> 00:28:10,079
here, and you probably need to
find another taker for for Gordon Hayward.

433
00:28:10,799 --> 00:28:14,200
And there might even need to be
like future first beyond that, which will

434
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:21,359
be contingent upon their obligation to Atlanta
actually conveying. So my favorite or what

435
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,480
I think the most sensible destinations are. They're apply like there are more teams

436
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,000
than this, but I have jotted
down I think it's ten teams or nine

437
00:28:27,039 --> 00:28:30,400
teams that I could see going after
Gobert, and I have them. I

438
00:28:30,839 --> 00:28:34,880
have them listed in like order of
I don't like dig the fit to do

439
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:40,359
I love the fit, and I
didn't I threw trade assets basically out the

440
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,000
window. Here the Kings, we'll
start off with them. I could just

441
00:28:44,039 --> 00:28:48,119
see them look Rudy Gobert or something, someone shiny. He really could anchor

442
00:28:48,119 --> 00:28:51,519
a defense. Are they like,
what would they do to try and get

443
00:28:51,599 --> 00:28:52,880
Ruey Gobert? Would they want to
pair him with the bonus? Or you're

444
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,359
trying to use the bonus as primary
bait there? Does that even make sense

445
00:28:56,359 --> 00:28:59,359
for you? Tell how much of
your picks are you giving up? They're

446
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:00,599
just a team that I can see
trying to get involved. I don't think

447
00:29:00,599 --> 00:29:04,680
they should. I hate the idea
of Gobert. There you're either left with

448
00:29:04,759 --> 00:29:07,799
Sabonus or Rashaann Holmes, depending on
who they're giving up. But he isn't

449
00:29:07,799 --> 00:29:10,960
fit with either one of them,
and maybe you're trying to give up both

450
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:12,119
of them and whatever deal. I
don't even know what the structure for trade

451
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:17,240
looks like. But because the Kings
are so bad on paper and in actuality

452
00:29:17,319 --> 00:29:19,839
defensively, I could see them getting
involved. Don't think they should. People

453
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:25,599
have mentioned the raptors. I guess
he fits the rudy Gobert fits the motif

454
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,839
of just defense, defense, defense, and but like it doesn't fit the

455
00:29:29,839 --> 00:29:32,200
theme of oh we want these like
six seven to six, eight to six

456
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,720
and nine guys who can fly around
everywhere on the court. And then even

457
00:29:34,759 --> 00:29:40,480
if you just want to have that
rebounding presence, that generational rim protector,

458
00:29:41,359 --> 00:29:45,240
maybe even someone who gives you just
like lob threats, someone's going to really

459
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,440
like devastate out of the pick and
roll and set by the hardest screens on

460
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,559
your team, like your floor spacing
is kind of all over the place already,

461
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,720
and you feel like you want for
half court creation. Rudy Gobert doesn't

462
00:29:56,759 --> 00:30:00,200
give you any of that, And
what are you giving up to get him?

463
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,680
Like, You're just I'm not giving
a Pascal Siakam Farigobert, especially considering

464
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,559
how well Siakam play this season.
I'm just I'm not doing it. Would

465
00:30:07,559 --> 00:30:10,640
I give up o Gianna Noby?
I guess because Scottie Barnes is there and

466
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:14,279
all these defensive options you have great, is Utah willing to accept him?

467
00:30:14,319 --> 00:30:19,519
Plus salary filler is the primary package
structure? I don't know. I just

468
00:30:19,519 --> 00:30:23,799
don't love the offensive fit there.
I've seen the Bulls suggested by some where.

469
00:30:23,799 --> 00:30:26,160
It's like, hey, you offer
Vooge, Patrick Williams, whatever picks

470
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:32,519
you need to attach, definitely sort
of gives them a ton of defensive appeal.

471
00:30:32,559 --> 00:30:36,640
With Carusoe and Lonzo Ball if they're
both healthy next season. You also

472
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,960
would still have Iodasumo unless you have
to give him up as part of that,

473
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:41,279
and maybe a Javon day Green.
There's a lot of different things you

474
00:30:41,279 --> 00:30:45,119
could do defensively there. I would
not love the floor spacing, and I

475
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,480
know that vouch was not shooting the
ball great for most of this season,

476
00:30:48,519 --> 00:30:51,759
but he's at least someone who can
space the floor, and when you have

477
00:30:51,839 --> 00:30:56,640
Demarta rozen on the court, that
is incredibly important. And like, yeah,

478
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,160
a Lonzo ball is a higher volume
three point shooter. At this point,

479
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,519
I was Crusoe's really not quite there
yet. So you're kind of in

480
00:31:02,519 --> 00:31:06,440
a situation where you might have three
below average shooters on the floor at any

481
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:07,799
given point in the game, and
then two of them just aren't going to

482
00:31:07,839 --> 00:31:12,000
take those threes. I just feel
like, you know, after giving up

483
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,440
what you did for Vouch, knowing
that you have that draft pick owed to

484
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,079
Orlando down the line, that's just
not something I'm just sidering. I don't

485
00:31:19,079 --> 00:31:22,160
think it elevates their team just enough. They need more of like a star

486
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:27,200
powered wing than they do, like
a pivot at the big man spot.

487
00:31:27,519 --> 00:31:32,160
And you know, depending on what
happens with Zach Lavine's free agency, I'd

488
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,880
really expect him to resign with the
Bulls on Max, are you more incentivized

489
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,400
to do the Rudy Gobert trade?
You have more incentivized to make this a

490
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:44,640
trade with urgency. I just don't
like the idea of Gobert in Chicago going

491
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,000
staying. I feel like probably hasn't
talked about enough. They might win the

492
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:51,160
title this season, so maybe that's
why. But like they have the Andrew

493
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,680
Wiggins contract, they have James Wiseman, there's Commanda movie. They can offer

494
00:31:53,759 --> 00:31:57,559
some future picks. They're twenty twenty
four pick is though to Memphis right now

495
00:31:57,559 --> 00:32:00,720
as part of that Andre Godallas,
Allerygum, So there will be that to

496
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:05,839
consider. They could build some interesting
packages and maybe you don't want to give

497
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,160
up Wiggins, and if you don't, then yeah, you're sort of like

498
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,799
that whole thing is scuttled. And
Wiggins has had some pretty big moments for

499
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,839
them over the past few postseason games. But it would just be something to

500
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:20,000
consider if that's you know, they
have James Wiseman sort of sitting there,

501
00:32:20,039 --> 00:32:22,440
hasn't He's barely played over the past
two seasons. Does have some mystery box

502
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,240
appeal if he's healthy. If Uti
is looking to hit reset or just believe

503
00:32:25,319 --> 00:32:30,440
that it can make, you know, sort of a more lateral move by

504
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:36,400
going from Gobert to Wiggins and Wiseman
next season, you get another big on

505
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,319
the cheap to play a both in
the minutes, and then I'm assuming other

506
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:43,920
assets would be involved in there.
From Golden States perspective, you have there's

507
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,160
Moses movie and Commingo. Like I
mentioned, that's something to just look at.

508
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:52,119
I don't love to Gobert Draymond fit
together, and he's I know Draymond

509
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,400
Draymond has played with Looney would be
my sort of counter to that, And

510
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,640
neither of those two are floor spacers. But it's a little bit different.

511
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,279
When Movie has been in the Warrior
system for for so much. Is Gobert

512
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,960
gonna be able to make the same
type of offensive reads. I don't know,

513
00:33:05,039 --> 00:33:07,920
but the Warriors do at least seem
to have like some commitment to getting

514
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:12,960
into at least a more conventional pick
and roll attack. Otherwise, I don't

515
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,119
know why they picked James Wiseman in
the first place. So I'm making a

516
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,119
lot of inferences there. Just a
team. Again, they're not towards the

517
00:33:17,119 --> 00:33:21,359
top of my list. I the
Blazers coming in here they are, So

518
00:33:21,559 --> 00:33:24,920
I did end up listing nine teams, and they are number five on this

519
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:30,640
list. I don't I love Damian
Lillard and Rigobert and Anthony Simon's like the

520
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,440
idea of them together. I don't
think the Blazer are at the point where

521
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,920
they should do that. That being
said, they could have a top lottery

522
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,200
pick in this year's draft. Are
you going to give that up for Gobert?

523
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,759
You shouldn't be. I want to
make that clear. However, if

524
00:33:40,759 --> 00:33:45,720
you're committed to competing with Damian Lillard, rebuilding around Damian Lillard, whatever you

525
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,279
want to call it, he's thirty
two, Like the rebuild can't last that

526
00:33:47,359 --> 00:33:52,680
long, you are obligated to at
least search out these bigger swings like this.

527
00:33:52,359 --> 00:33:57,480
Looking at the overall package, aside
from this year's pick, what else

528
00:33:57,519 --> 00:34:00,839
are you giving up? Is there
a use of murket signing trade there?

529
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,160
Because the markets so barren of cap
space, Utah maybe wants a big too.

530
00:34:04,839 --> 00:34:07,360
Just slot in the middle and play
some Gobert Again, these players do

531
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,559
very different things. When you start
from there. You have Eric Blezo's partially

532
00:34:10,599 --> 00:34:15,159
guaranteed salary. You can fully guarantee
it to sort of help grease the wheels

533
00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:17,840
of this trade, depending on the
extent that Utah would be rebuilding. I'm

534
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:22,199
not looking at including Josh Hart if
I'm Portland, because you're trying to maximize

535
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:27,559
your immediate chances, and to give
up Josh Hart and a top pick to

536
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:30,519
get Gobert in addition to whatever salary
it takes. Like that sort of puts

537
00:34:30,519 --> 00:34:35,159
you in, like again, Gobert
generational defensive talent, but you still do

538
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,800
need like wing depth on this roster. They're not chock full of established contributors

539
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:43,400
after moving CJ. McCollum, Larry
and Junior, Robert Covington and Norman Powell

540
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,119
at the trade deadline in favor of
just a bunch of flyers and mystery boxes

541
00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:52,039
and unproven prospects. So you know, you have Justice Winslow you could throw

542
00:34:52,079 --> 00:34:55,719
in there as well. Maybe Nossil
Little has some appeal there, Greg Greg

543
00:34:55,800 --> 00:35:00,519
Brown the third excuse me, super
athletic. So there are actions that you

544
00:35:00,519 --> 00:35:02,800
can make, but there have to
be more of a future like driven package

545
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:07,000
catering to that for Utah. And
look, their pick is projected to come

546
00:35:07,039 --> 00:35:12,199
in at I think number six this
year if the lottery odds hold. That's

547
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,000
if you're Utah, like, that's
a pretty good springboard into whatever you're doing,

548
00:35:15,039 --> 00:35:19,119
whether you're also trading Donovan Mitchell or
just looking for a retool around around

549
00:35:19,199 --> 00:35:22,000
him. The next team that I
have on this list, and now we're

550
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,599
starting to get into places that I
actually would enjoy seeing Golbert. The Hawks

551
00:35:25,639 --> 00:35:30,519
had become like a fairly popular destination
cling Capella and what I'm not giving up

552
00:35:30,559 --> 00:35:35,840
DeAndre Hunter in this if I'm Atlanta, not because I think he's indispensable,

553
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,000
but again, you're trying to optimize
the team around Trey Young for winning immediately,

554
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:43,559
it sort of defeats the purpose to
get rid of yet another wing while

555
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,599
having an incoming big here that's so
important that when that wing in Hunter is

556
00:35:46,599 --> 00:35:50,039
so important to your defense, even
if he didn't make the progress that you

557
00:35:50,079 --> 00:35:52,400
wanted to see from him this season. And if you're Utah, like DeAndre

558
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,079
Hunters extension on the bo, would
you want him on your roster shore like,

559
00:35:55,119 --> 00:35:58,840
if it's someone you could get but
you don't want to after view him

560
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,400
as the centerpiece of a So are
we talking about future picks and Capella?

561
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,519
And then you have salary filler?
Do they want another Bogdanovich? They have

562
00:36:05,639 --> 00:36:09,960
the Gallinari salaries partially guaranteed for next
season, so there are ways to include

563
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:15,440
him in this deal. There's also
just like I really like Janen Johnson that's

564
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,159
someone you talked to take a flyer
on. They could also take a flyer

565
00:36:17,199 --> 00:36:20,960
on Sharive Cooper as well, and
so you could build a lot of interesting

566
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,559
packages. There's also just Clint Capella
and John Collins, like that's a framework

567
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:29,440
if their picks included or whatever,
that you could work out with Utah or

568
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,760
Gobert. I don't know that,
you know, I get the train of

569
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,440
thought of, oh, if we
have Cappella, really, how much worse

570
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,599
are we defensively with the current perimeter
talent on your team? They probably argue

571
00:36:37,599 --> 00:36:40,679
a lot worse, and so you
need to find ways to address that.

572
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,400
Would Atlanta, you know a Yeko
Kungu, that's someone that you could sort

573
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,239
of slot in if you're whether you're
rebuilding or trying to be more of a

574
00:36:49,159 --> 00:36:52,639
lateral moving team Atlanta, though it
doesn't make sense to make this trade unless

575
00:36:52,639 --> 00:36:57,159
Capella's headed to Utah or there's a
third team involved. There are different levels

576
00:36:57,159 --> 00:37:01,039
of packages there, So like Capella
picks Jalen Johnson, Sharif Sharif Koupa,

577
00:37:01,039 --> 00:37:05,239
and Yaka kong Wu, and then
even if John Collins is on the table,

578
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,000
like maybe that's where the third team
and fourth team comes into play a

579
00:37:07,039 --> 00:37:10,360
team that really wants John Collins.
There's just a lot of options there,

580
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,960
and I think that Rudy Gobert next
to Trey Young is a no brainer.

581
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,960
You can just look at how many
times the Trey unconnected to Clint coopelor even

582
00:37:19,039 --> 00:37:22,239
John Collins for that matter, on
assists this season. I think he does

583
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,400
a lot for them on defense,
they still need more perimeter talent there.

584
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:28,039
But if you if you still have
Hunter, maybe bring back the loan,

585
00:37:28,159 --> 00:37:30,760
right, could you still turn around
and make another move just because you do

586
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,559
have a lot of middle groun salaries
on this team? Where do you enter

587
00:37:34,599 --> 00:37:38,199
the Jeremy Grant sweepstakes? And we
have a question on the specific to the

588
00:37:38,199 --> 00:37:42,000
Hawks coming up. I'll follow it
up right after this actually, so that

589
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,320
we're still sort of topical the next
team I have. This might sound weird

590
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:49,559
and people have killed me for suggesting
Miles Turner be traded to the senior in

591
00:37:49,679 --> 00:37:52,760
season, but justin Grizzlies, I
mean, Rudy Gobert is not someone who

592
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:57,880
gets matchuped off the floor, and
Steven Adams did in the playoffs already.

593
00:37:58,199 --> 00:38:02,000
So if you're including Steven Adams the
primary salary matching fodder. Memphis has all

594
00:38:02,039 --> 00:38:07,880
their own picks moving forward. They
have Zeier Williams, they have Golden States

595
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:12,159
pick in twenty twenty four. They
also have Utah's pick, They've UTA's pick

596
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,960
this season and that Golden State pick. So yeah, there's like a lot

597
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:21,920
of different factors they could build if
if Utah's okay with going and sort of

598
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,039
pandering to the future more. I
don't think you get You're not getting Desmond

599
00:38:24,039 --> 00:38:28,360
Made, you're not getting Jared Jackson
Jr. And you're certainly not getting John

600
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,840
Morant. Everyone else I imagine would
be on the table. You want Brandon

601
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:35,360
Clark, Do you have Brandon Clark, Xavier Tilman? Xavier Tilman is there?

602
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,719
If you want Dylan Brooks, Like
you're trying to make more of the

603
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,119
lateral play and you're viewing this as
Okay, Steven Adams could textually play for

604
00:38:40,199 --> 00:38:44,360
us, but maybe we don't view
him as the centerpiece of this deal.

605
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,559
But it's least someone who's competent center. Do we sign another big who's perhaps

606
00:38:46,559 --> 00:38:52,280
a better, less schemable defender and
trying to move forward that way, Dylan

607
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,000
Brooks is really going to help out
your defensive mojo there on the primter or

608
00:38:55,039 --> 00:38:59,519
maybe do you want a Danthy Melton
the strengthens or your backup guard minutes and

609
00:38:59,559 --> 00:39:04,400
give you a just a go getter
on defense there as well. There's so

610
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:08,880
much that Memphis could propose. I
don't love what Rudy would do to memphisis

611
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:13,119
floor spacing at the same time,
like they just figured it out with Steven

612
00:39:13,119 --> 00:39:15,039
Adams and Jaren Jackson Junior. His
volume from three, even when he's not

613
00:39:15,119 --> 00:39:19,360
hitting them, give you a ton
of flexibility. Don't know how much he

614
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,880
improves the half court offense, specifically
in a playoff setting when you're looking at

615
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:28,039
Rudy Gobert. That being said,
just imagine the defense here. If you're

616
00:39:28,039 --> 00:39:31,360
going to have Rudy Gobert Jaren Jackson
Junior in the same front line, you're

617
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:35,280
still going to have one of,
if not both, of Dylan Brooks and

618
00:39:35,639 --> 00:39:37,760
the Anthe Mountain. You could bring
back Tyas Jones. You should still have

619
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:43,199
the flexibility to bring back Kylanders and
Desmond Bain has really stepped up defensively for

620
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:49,280
a lot of the playoffs. That
defense is already pretty terrifying, and there's

621
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,679
like a chaos to it. Colbert
gives it like a structure, but like

622
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:57,320
this sort of impenetrable structure. That's
probably my most out there team for this

623
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,280
exercise, perhaps, but I would
absolutely enjoy seeing it. Checking in at

624
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:05,039
number two, I have the Charlotte
Hornet's The fit just makes too much sense,

625
00:40:05,079 --> 00:40:07,039
and we already outlined with the different
packages, could look like you might

626
00:40:07,039 --> 00:40:10,480
need a third and fourth team and
take on the Gordon Hayward salary, or

627
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,599
if Terry Rozier ends up being a
part of it, you need so much,

628
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,360
you know, you just want shooting
around Gobert that I think Caypon Rosier

629
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:22,119
is more important than Hayward. I'm
just Rosier is going to be dependable when

630
00:40:22,159 --> 00:40:25,199
it comes to availability at this point, we know Hayward is not. I

631
00:40:25,199 --> 00:40:29,199
would absolutely give up both my first
rounders this year if I'm Charlotte. I'm

632
00:40:29,199 --> 00:40:31,599
not a fan of them upping their
timeline when LaMelo ball is only entering year

633
00:40:31,679 --> 00:40:35,679
three. I get. I get
the urgency, though, if you really

634
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:39,280
are concerned about him becoming disenchanted with
the franchise, You've moved on from James

635
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:45,199
Arrego already, so I don't want
to see them, and to the extent

636
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,920
I don't even know what morgaging their
future looks like. If you're a trading

637
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,719
LaMelo Ball, then I guess it's
kind of like, all right, what

638
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,079
are you really giving up or sacrificing? And you don't want to have so

639
00:40:54,119 --> 00:40:58,239
many of your first round picks into
the distant future accounted for, even when

640
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,840
factoring in the obligation to Atlanta,
I would give up a distant first plus

641
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:06,840
these two and then filler salaries with
PJ. Washington for Gobert, I include

642
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,800
Craid Jones there as well. So
again the math I'm just throwing out,

643
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:14,079
I'm literally if I'm Charlotte, I
would be okay throwing the kitchen sink if

644
00:41:14,079 --> 00:41:16,840
it's only we're talking about one distant
first. If you're getting into the realm

645
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:21,000
of two and it just and everything
else, that gets a little iffy,

646
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:23,400
and not love a little iffy,
that gets megga iffy. Because I don't

647
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:27,280
know if Rudy Gobert makes you a
contender. He certainly makes you more interesting

648
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,480
defensively, certainly could be a good
fit with LaMelo Ball when you look at

649
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:35,679
the types of passes he seems ready
to throw. But everyone can. I

650
00:41:35,679 --> 00:41:38,760
don't. There's no one here that's
indispensable to them aside from LaMelo Ball.

651
00:41:39,079 --> 00:41:42,719
Some are going to suggest the Miles
Bridges sign and trade. I don't see

652
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,880
Utah being about that, and you
also need Miles Bridges cooperation there. I

653
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:51,760
imagine even with the limited cap flexibility
for teams this summer, he'd be able

654
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,360
to find a destination that he might
prefer or at least an offer sheet,

655
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:59,400
rather than work out a sign and
trade to a team that's maybe rebuilding or

656
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,400
doesn't plan on having him like in
this this huge role. So I would

657
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:05,280
view a Miles Bridges sign and trades
out of the question. I don't mind

658
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,519
if he and Riego beart front court
as long as we're on it. Like

659
00:42:07,559 --> 00:42:12,559
Miles Bridges needs to shoot better on
jumpers, but he's just he's super explosive,

660
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,079
and if you think that he'll up
his clip on three the stuff we

661
00:42:15,119 --> 00:42:17,400
could do off the deuble. You
could run quote unquote dual big picking roles

662
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:21,639
with these two if you really,
if you really wanted to to at least

663
00:42:21,639 --> 00:42:23,119
test it out. Even though I
don't necessarily consider Miles Bridge is a big

664
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:28,639
there's also valuability positionally on defense becomes
a lot more valuable. Riego bears behind

665
00:42:28,679 --> 00:42:31,079
him because there does feel sort of
like an aimless miss to his capacity to

666
00:42:31,119 --> 00:42:36,559
switch at this point. But yeah, it's it's look any prospect aside from

667
00:42:36,559 --> 00:42:40,119
a mellow ball that they want the
PJ Washington, James Book, Knight,

668
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,800
Ki Jones. They're on the table. The thirteen and fifteen should be on

669
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,079
the table and at one of the
distant first round picks. And again you

670
00:42:46,079 --> 00:42:50,480
have to structure it because they have
the obligation to Atlanta. At this point,

671
00:42:50,519 --> 00:42:52,840
I'm not really it out for Charlotte, and I think Ruego Behart makes

672
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:54,880
them exponentially better. I'll be it
not quite a contender. I would still

673
00:42:54,920 --> 00:43:00,000
argue if they need like a stronger
perimeter body than having a Kelly Ubery June

674
00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:04,079
yours there their best defender on the
premiere, or maybe you view it as

675
00:43:04,199 --> 00:43:07,760
you know Cody Martin's that's fine,
maybe you consider Jail McDaniels. I would

676
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:12,639
just argue that that's just going to
create even more problems. So can you

677
00:43:12,679 --> 00:43:15,559
turn around and still figure out a
way to trade Jeremy Grant while making the

678
00:43:15,559 --> 00:43:17,880
deal for Gobert? You have the
salaries to make things interesting thanks to that

679
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,079
partially guarantee deal with Ubrey like expiring
at twelve point six, you have Terrors

680
00:43:22,119 --> 00:43:25,559
year at twenty one point five,
Heyward at thirty point one, Mason Plumley

681
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,159
partially guaranteed on a nine point one
million dollars bollering inspiring contract next season.

682
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:35,760
PJ. Washington's at five point eight, even even James book Night at four

683
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:37,880
point four million, Like, there's
just a lot of money to shoot here

684
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:39,000
in a year. So if you
can turn around and make another deal,

685
00:43:39,199 --> 00:43:44,239
yeah, you're mortgaging more of your
future at that point, but you're upping

686
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:45,239
the defense, and it seems like
you want to make this a wind out

687
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:49,840
timeline around LaMelo Ball. I would
argue against the absolutely nuclear route, but

688
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,280
there's no denying the fit of Gobert
in Charlotte and my final team, this

689
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:57,840
is the obvious one is Dallas.
Like the fit there is just it's perfect.

690
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:01,679
You could play him with Maxi Kleeba
at the four alongside Gobert, like

691
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:06,719
that's Cleba prodes more than enough stretched
there. He would probably be the single

692
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,360
best defender that Rudy Gobert had since
this best season. I think Royce O'Neill

693
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:15,599
is going to be above Cleiba,
but having Dorian Phinney Smith Kleiba in the

694
00:44:15,639 --> 00:44:20,800
same like rotation, you've already just
beefed up your defense, like past the

695
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,960
rim, past the restricted area,
way more than Utah ever did this offseason

696
00:44:24,159 --> 00:44:29,400
where I've started to run into issues. I don't know what Dallas is giving

697
00:44:29,519 --> 00:44:31,719
up here. They have the twenty
six pick. Okay, so you can

698
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:37,159
give utan im media pick, but
they owe their twenty twenty three selection to

699
00:44:37,159 --> 00:44:40,280
the Knicks's top ten protected it will
convey let's just assume. So then you're

700
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:44,440
looking at the soonest first round pick
you could convey in this deal, aside

701
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,440
from trading this year's draft pick after
the fact, it's twenty twenty five,

702
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:53,159
and then you don't have any other
blue chip prospects on this roster. Maybe

703
00:44:53,199 --> 00:44:57,639
maybe Utah wants Maxi Kleiba as part
of this deal, and that you know

704
00:44:57,679 --> 00:45:00,599
you can't break. That's not a
make or break. Shouldn't be a make

705
00:45:00,639 --> 00:45:04,760
or break for Dallas. But like
using Dinwitty or Berton's a salary or Powell's

706
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,880
salary, Bullocks salary, actually Ceba
salary, maybe they're even intrigued by Dorian

707
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,800
Frenny Smith as he begins that four
year, fifty six million dollars extension next

708
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:15,840
season, Like, those aren't those
aren't names that are going to be viable

709
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:20,280
centerpieces for a deal with Gobert.
There is Jalen Brunson. I don't think

710
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,039
Utah's gonna want to acquire him and
sign and trade negotiations. Maybe this is

711
00:45:23,079 --> 00:45:28,199
a situation where you're sending Jalen Brunson
va sign and trade to another team and

712
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:32,639
getting more draft picks to arm yourself
with. But unless you're just unless Utah

713
00:45:32,679 --> 00:45:37,079
wants number twenty six plus, you
know to get out to get more salary

714
00:45:37,079 --> 00:45:40,800
flexibility in the shorter term just because
Powell comes off the books after next season,

715
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:46,800
Davis Berton's only has two years left
of his deal before that non guaranteed

716
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:51,039
one in the final year. Spenser
Dinwiddy only has a partial guarantee the year

717
00:45:51,079 --> 00:45:54,440
after next. So there are shorter
term salaries you could exchange Gobert for or

718
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:58,360
even a Reggie Bullock technically in expiring
contract next year when you look at the

719
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:00,920
structure of that, the same with
Cleba, but like number twenty six and

720
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,719
then at twenty five, twenty seven, and twenty nine first round, Like

721
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,320
if you're you taught, is that
even like wet your whistle, knowing that

722
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,960
how young Luca don Chich is,
you can include swaps in there as well.

723
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,679
It feels like this would take a
third team scenario, but it's very

724
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,400
clearly the team that makes the most
sense for Gobert. The defense is already

725
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:21,480
fairly strong, especially if you're gonna
keep Dorian Finney. Smith is part of

726
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,360
the equation, Like you're in business
and you have Reggie Bullock there. Some

727
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,559
of these players might need to be
moved. I know that, including Max

728
00:46:27,639 --> 00:46:31,400
and Cleiba. But the Luca Rudy
Gobert connection makes all the sense in the

729
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:37,199
world, and it look ideally not
ideally, but like if you're because I

730
00:46:37,199 --> 00:46:39,960
don't think you's how launch Jalen Brunts, Like there's scenario where you're keeping Jael

731
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:43,199
and Brunts and as part of this
too, maybe even Spencer Dimity as well,

732
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:47,360
so you're not losing your anything from
your ball handling hierarchy, like aside

733
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,519
from Luca and I think look,
the Dimwity addition has been great from that

734
00:46:50,559 --> 00:46:54,559
perspective, jail and runs and making
the just this ascent this year, even

735
00:46:54,599 --> 00:46:59,079
from where he was at during last
regular season. That's huge. Not saying

736
00:46:59,079 --> 00:47:00,239
you could afford to lose one of
them, but if you need to move

737
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:05,079
Jail and Brunson to get a pick
or players that Utah is going to want

738
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,880
in assign and trade and then you
can send them to the Jazz like that's

739
00:47:08,119 --> 00:47:12,039
you know, it's workable. You
would still I think, want a higher

740
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,000
another higher end offensive option, and
you're now funneling your money into a player

741
00:47:15,199 --> 00:47:19,840
in Rudy Gobert who doesn't provide that. But it just makes all the sense

742
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,280
in the world. If I'm Dallas, I'm probably not concerned about short circuiting

743
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,880
any part of my future. Like, if Utah wants that pick special I

744
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,880
laid out, I might do it, especially if they're will they take back

745
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,480
Tim Hardaway Junior's contract, if they're
drinking back Davis Peton's is contract, Like,

746
00:47:32,519 --> 00:47:36,599
yeah, that's something I would absolutely
consider. So those are easily my

747
00:47:36,639 --> 00:47:39,760
favorite destination. Well, that's my
favorite destination for Regalbert. I love.

748
00:47:40,159 --> 00:47:44,000
Of all the ones I listed,
the only teams I'm actually probably love with

749
00:47:44,039 --> 00:47:47,960
the fit would be Memphis, Charlotte
and Dallas like, those are the teams

750
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:51,280
that I really want to see Egobert
on. I thought about the Knicks for

751
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,679
a second, but they're so just
like ask backwards in love with Donovan Mitchell.

752
00:47:54,880 --> 00:48:01,280
That would be that would be counterintuitive
to whatever there to whatever vision they

753
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:05,320
have, and I don't when you're
when you're what they are, Rudy Gobertt

754
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,000
makes you better, like you need
to. I think already have someone who

755
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:12,800
faced of the franchise material in place, and maybe you think that's r J

756
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,559
Barrett. Do you think they're getting
out of that trade without including r J

757
00:48:15,639 --> 00:48:17,960
Barrett Shore But RJ. Barrett isn't
decidedly that player yet and it's certainly not

758
00:48:19,039 --> 00:48:22,079
Julius Randall. So yeah, you
could make cases like Portland. I don't

759
00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:25,000
mind the fit, but I just
don't. I don't see him Rudy Gobert

760
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,679
doing enough to be like, oh, hey, like we're really a threat

761
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:32,719
with with Damian Lillard to win the
title. Now, Brooklyn, I flow

762
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:36,480
to this as a joke, but
like the Ben Simmons Rudy Gobert framework,

763
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:38,519
if you're figuring out a way to
get royel Neil back as part of that

764
00:48:38,519 --> 00:48:42,880
deal as well, maybe you're including
you do have some you know, you

765
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,360
have a future picked from the Philly
trade. You can include Phillies pick from

766
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:46,800
this year's shraft as well. I
wouldn't hate it. I just don't see

767
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:50,599
them that's doing it, so I
didn't include them. Let's move on to

768
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:57,039
another question. This one comes from
Jake g also asked, well, actually,

769
00:48:57,119 --> 00:48:59,039
let me get to this. Uh, let me get to this Hawks

770
00:48:59,119 --> 00:49:01,880
question really quickly? Have this one
two Hawks questions, one from Jay Dobbs

771
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:05,440
ninety four what would be the best
realistic trade target for the Hawks to make

772
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:09,280
a consolidation trade this offseason? And
then Garland Riley asked josh Akogi to the

773
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:14,800
Hawks. So Cookee would definitely not
be like the consolidation option. But if

774
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,920
you're just really desperate to beef up
your perimeter defense, Kogi does give you

775
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:22,840
some real like mobile girth there,
I'll call it. It comes at the

776
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:27,800
expense of your offense. Maybe you
really don't care. He should come super

777
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,840
cheap. He's a restrictive free agent
this summer. I can't imagine that Minnesota

778
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:35,039
is like going to be They might
not even tender him or a qualifying offer

779
00:49:35,079 --> 00:49:37,480
for all I know. I can't
imagine that they're desperate to keep him.

780
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,880
Looking at the consolidation trade, though
we already like sort of outlined the Rudy

781
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:45,679
Gobert stuff, he's someone they should
consider. Jeremy Grant is probably a popular

782
00:49:45,679 --> 00:49:49,199
warder. That's one that Jay Dobbs
actually suggested in tandem with his question.

783
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,360
I don't like, yes, Jeremy
Grant for sure. I don't know whether

784
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,119
I consider that a consolidation trade because
it's someone that you're willing to give up

785
00:49:55,159 --> 00:50:00,320
two of your younger kids for,
like Okung Glu and Jalen Johnson and Sharif

786
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:04,000
Cooper plus another pick I could totally
see that is Jeremy Grant, someone I'm

787
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:07,880
giving up John Collins and then something
for. That's sort of more what I

788
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,360
view in the vein of a consolidation
trade and the player that I think Atlanta

789
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:15,760
needs, like a really strong perimeter
presence, who could on defense, who

790
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:21,719
would potentially be a secondary ball handler. Those guys just don't become available a

791
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,280
ton. I thought Derek White was
a good target for them before the Boston

792
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,519
trade. I doubt the Celtics are
all of a sudden you're gonna want to

793
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:32,079
look at moving him, so it
gets difficult there. I think Jeremy Grant

794
00:50:32,119 --> 00:50:37,320
is the most logical option. I
don't think looking at the trade market what

795
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,519
it could become. I don't know
that there are these other options where it's

796
00:50:40,519 --> 00:50:45,920
like just worth consolidating for. Maybe
there are opportunities that creep up where you

797
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:50,760
know, if Orlando makes Jonathan Isaac
available, that's someone that Atlanta could try

798
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:52,599
and look at. I just don't
know what I would be giving up to

799
00:50:52,599 --> 00:50:58,559
get him. Again, we already
mentioned the rudygo Bert situation. That's probably

800
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:00,519
like the realm of what you should
be looking at. Otherwise, maybe you're

801
00:51:00,519 --> 00:51:05,880
probably looking at more along the lines
of like singles and doubles. You know,

802
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:08,039
a Victor Oladipo as a free agent
target for this team I think could

803
00:51:08,039 --> 00:51:10,800
make a lot of sense. He
has shown a lot of positive signs in

804
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:15,039
the playoffs, shouldn't cost more than
the mid level exception, and if he

805
00:51:15,079 --> 00:51:17,360
does, they're assigning trade scenarios.
But you should probably also just steer clear

806
00:51:19,519 --> 00:51:22,039
of him in general. But yeah, the trade market just doesn't seem conducive

807
00:51:22,079 --> 00:51:25,599
to the Atlanta Let's make that clear. Has the amma to just go out

808
00:51:25,639 --> 00:51:30,679
there and make sort of this sizeable
splash. I don't just like, if

809
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:32,480
you told me Shane Kills Alexander was
going to become available, that might be

810
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:36,960
perfect for this team, even though
he's probably become a little bit overrated defensively

811
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:42,519
at this point. But he's not
going to become available. And so like,

812
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,360
who are you're really going after?
If Bradley Beal becomes available via sign

813
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:49,519
and trade, like, that's not
someone who's going to move the needle for

814
00:51:49,559 --> 00:51:52,920
you. I think Jayal and Brown
would be great for the Hawks, or

815
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:54,840
even a Brandon Ingram type. Neither
of those players are going to become available.

816
00:51:54,840 --> 00:52:00,199
And that's where of the issue you
run into. Would would Brooklyn like

817
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:05,000
look at trading Ben Simmons for what
like the Hawks couldn't offer. I just

818
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,760
don't know that Atlanta is gonna want
to give up more for Ben Simmons or

819
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,480
as much for Ben Simmons when it
couldn't prime away from Philly. They were

820
00:52:10,559 --> 00:52:14,960
very clearly looking for an established star, and perhaps Brooklyn looks at it as

821
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:19,079
like, oh, if you're giving
us clean Capella and like other stuff,

822
00:52:19,119 --> 00:52:22,039
like, maybe that's maybe that's enough
for them. I don't I do not

823
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:25,280
know, but like that's you know, I don't even know if that's like

824
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:29,840
a for Atlanta. It's I like
the idea of Ben Simmons there, but

825
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,239
we haven't seen Ben Simmons play basketball
to be an over a year by the

826
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:37,400
time you get there, And so
that's something that simontor Malcolm Brogden would be

827
00:52:37,519 --> 00:52:40,360
fairly interesting in Atlanta. I just
don't hume as a consolidation trade, like

828
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:44,480
that's not something I'm giving up a
ton of value for. I don't think

829
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,159
he'll nudge your defensive needle in the
right direction too much. You can certainly

830
00:52:47,199 --> 00:52:51,440
play off trade young and certain lineups. Is he a much? Is he

831
00:52:51,519 --> 00:52:53,960
an upgrade over deln Right? Offensively? Sure? Defensively? No. So

832
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:59,880
I'm if there's an there needs to
be an opportunity that I'm not thinking of

833
00:53:00,159 --> 00:53:01,639
naming to arise, or maybe one
of the ones that I already ruled out

834
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:06,119
coming to the table. If you
have one, Jay Dobbs, other than

835
00:53:06,159 --> 00:53:08,599
Jeremy Grant, I think that's the
most logical one you're free to to get

836
00:53:08,639 --> 00:53:13,800
at me there. Let's be on
to this question from j G had the

837
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:17,239
other one of which team, who's
a better chance of coming out of this

838
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,239
is not Jac's question. Sorry,
I'm all over the place, you know.

839
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,599
J G asked, who's a better
chance of making the playoffs next year?

840
00:53:22,639 --> 00:53:24,559
The Pelicans or the Wolves. I
think it's the Pelicans. The Wolves

841
00:53:24,599 --> 00:53:29,039
might clearly be on to something.
Anthy Edwards is only going to get better.

842
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:32,039
Karlathy Towns is fantastic, even for
how the discourse goes with him.

843
00:53:32,199 --> 00:53:36,199
I just don't know, like what's
happening. They have nice players on that

844
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:39,239
team after them. Jaden McDaniels,
Jared Vanderbilt was huge for them this season.

845
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:45,119
I just don't know the Di'angel Russell
going into his contract year. He

846
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:49,400
had a good season, was all
over the place during the playoffs. When

847
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,480
you just look at how deep the
West is, it feels like this is

848
00:53:51,519 --> 00:53:53,519
a team that could wind up falling
out of it, though, and New

849
00:53:53,639 --> 00:53:57,920
Orleans you could argue, has the
wild card of Zion Williams since health.

850
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:00,960
Zion Williamson is an all NBA caliber
player that they did not have this year,

851
00:54:01,199 --> 00:54:05,039
and they're just getting him back to
a team that has CG. McCollum,

852
00:54:05,039 --> 00:54:08,079
brandon ingram Herb Jones, Jose Alvarado, Jonas Now and Tunis is there

853
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:13,159
right now. I also think it's
easier for New Orleans to make a move

854
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:19,719
that's not nuclear that winds up drastically
improving their team as opposed to it it'll

855
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:24,880
be harder for Minnesota if you put
New Orleans could use some shooting. I

856
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:30,519
floated the idea of you know,
they could still use also a rim protector

857
00:54:30,639 --> 00:54:34,880
as well. So if you plug
a rim protector next to next to Zion

858
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:39,239
Williams, you're just upgrading the guard
position. Where it's like Gary Payton is

859
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,840
second is a name. Let's for
example, it's going to be a free

860
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,440
agent, and if he's going to
cost your your mid level, he's perfect

861
00:54:45,519 --> 00:54:49,679
for a team that has Ingram McCollum
and Zion, three guys that would prefer

862
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,239
to operate on the ball. He
had and Peyton and enough of his threes

863
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:57,719
this year one hundred and twenty attempts
to where you could argue at least doesn't

864
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:00,280
shrink the floor. But he doesn't
need to orchestrate the offense. He's going

865
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:04,280
to give you a ton on defense. Just imagine him and Herb Jones within

866
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:07,000
the same defense. Like that's the
type of signing or move I think it

867
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:12,519
substantially improves normally a chance of doing
damage in the West because they're just getting

868
00:55:12,519 --> 00:55:14,960
back to ole NBA caliber town.
I don't think they should be out on

869
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:19,280
a Miles Turner trade still either,
because his fit now, especially when we

870
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,920
looked at how they played, it's
absolutely perfect. When looking at their personnel,

871
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,239
I don't see that same path for
Minnesota. And even if you say,

872
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:28,519
oh, maybe the Nets are gonna
be shopping Ben Simmons again, or

873
00:55:28,519 --> 00:55:30,760
should they get in on the Jeremy
Grant sweepstakes, it's a little harder for

874
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:35,239
them to build out packages. And
if you're adding Jeremy Grant to this team,

875
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:39,639
and let's say it's costing you Jaden
McDaniels and or Jared Vanderbilt, like,

876
00:55:39,679 --> 00:55:43,880
how much better are you really?
Maybe you disagree with me there that

877
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:47,480
they're substantially better. You look at
this Western Conference, though, and you

878
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:52,239
know the current playoff teams specifically,
some of them are going to have to

879
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:54,960
drop out. And who are you
picking to drop out next season? It's

880
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:59,719
fine if you want to pick Utah, but Dallas, Bowen State, Phoenix,

881
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,079
Denver, those are all teams that
should be back. I would have

882
00:56:02,199 --> 00:56:05,800
like the Grizzlies. Maybe you think
there's still this flash in the pan,

883
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,920
but should we expect them to get
a lot worse? The Clippers are going

884
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:15,280
to be healthier as well. And
so we just named seven teams that and

885
00:56:15,599 --> 00:56:17,000
like, what if the Lakers don't
suck, they have Lebron and Ida.

886
00:56:17,119 --> 00:56:20,800
Just what if the Lakers don't suck? And then you have Minnesota, then

887
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:22,360
you have New Orleans. Who knows
how much better is Portland with Dame?

888
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,559
What do they do over the offseason? They're sort of a wild card,

889
00:56:24,599 --> 00:56:28,880
and the Spurs are a wild card
because they're so firmly in the middle.

890
00:56:30,079 --> 00:56:32,159
It's they're going to be more than
one tough cut. There's a chance that

891
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:37,280
neither into Minnesota makes the playoffs.
I just think that New Orleans getting back

892
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,400
Zion and the progress based showed with
their defensive hustle under Willie Green mid season,

893
00:56:42,039 --> 00:56:45,039
Brandon Ingram, you know, like
he was the best player on the

894
00:56:45,079 --> 00:56:46,159
quart at times in that Phoenix series. That's a big deal. You have

895
00:56:46,199 --> 00:56:50,239
CJ. McCullin, who makes so
much sense for you, the emergencies of

896
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:53,440
Herb Jones and Jose Alvarado. It
just feels like New Orleans is in a

897
00:56:53,440 --> 00:57:01,400
better immediate situation than Minnesota. Next
question comes from Aunty are all over the

898
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:07,920
place today, excuse me? Next
question comes from JT. Alexander. Who

899
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:09,679
has the better chance of coming out
of their conference? Heat or Warriors.

900
00:57:10,519 --> 00:57:15,280
That's a great question. I think
it's the Warriors, just because when you

901
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:17,960
look at the East, I mean, at this point, you're you have

902
00:57:19,039 --> 00:57:21,280
to just win two more serious to
get out of your conference. Maybe over

903
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,800
simplifying this, but their range of
matchups is just more intimidating. You have

904
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:30,199
to go through phillim and either I
guess Philly without and beat though. Yeah,

905
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:31,599
but then you have to go through
a Boston or Milwaukee. I'm just

906
00:57:31,639 --> 00:57:37,280
going to say Miami because I think
that they're on having to go through Milwaukee

907
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,159
or Boston. I mean, I
don't know. I might change my answer

908
00:57:39,199 --> 00:57:43,559
to this. Yeah, I think
I think it's still Miami. I think

909
00:57:43,599 --> 00:57:49,039
they are closer to the level of
Boston and Milwaukee. Those are all three

910
00:57:49,079 --> 00:57:51,400
teams that are neck and neck and
neck. And yes, we know the

911
00:57:51,679 --> 00:57:53,880
Heat have to beat Philly first.
Then looking at the Suns are such a

912
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:59,159
well oiled machine. They can maintain
their peak for longer than any other team

913
00:57:59,159 --> 00:58:01,440
in the league. Now, the
Warrior's peak better than the Sun's peak always

914
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:06,639
seen in the playoffs. Arguably,
Ken Golden State continue playing at that rate

915
00:58:06,719 --> 00:58:08,880
for more than you know, minutes
at a time. Sometimes it's really all

916
00:58:09,199 --> 00:58:14,400
that they need. I just I
look at Phoenix as just so deep and

917
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:19,679
domineering and just so like comfortable with
itself and knowing how to make adjustments,

918
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:23,559
knowing how to play with each other. I think they're just the single best

919
00:58:23,559 --> 00:58:28,199
team in the league, and to
have to go through them, if I'm

920
00:58:28,239 --> 00:58:30,880
Golden State, that seems like a
tougher role for the Warriors than the Heat

921
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:35,360
having to go through the Bucks and
nor Celtics. Right now, That's just

922
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:38,480
that's where I'm at. And maybe
that's Florida thinking there, Christopher from Discord,

923
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:42,280
as you suddenly find yourself GM and
the Nets, what trade do you

924
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:45,719
make involving Kyrie Irving to build around
Simmons and KD. I don't know which

925
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:49,880
team would want Kyrie Irving. He
has a player option, and so he

926
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:54,320
has to want to go to his
next team. And I just I honestly

927
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:58,400
don't like you could talk like the
basketball fits like, yeah, there are

928
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:00,679
teams where he would make a a
ton of sense for where we still want

929
00:59:00,679 --> 00:59:05,559
to play for the Knicks. I
just don't know like what you're actually getting

930
00:59:05,599 --> 00:59:07,639
for him. And that's just like, you know, would you want like

931
00:59:07,639 --> 00:59:12,079
an Anthony Davis trade with the Lakers
if they were willing to entertain that reunite

932
00:59:12,159 --> 00:59:16,239
Kyrie and Lebron in La and like
the fits are kind of hard, Like

933
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:20,679
where would Kyrie Irving want to play? You? Like, do the Clippers

934
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:22,079
want to have to deal with him? And if you're the Nets, like

935
00:59:22,119 --> 00:59:28,000
do you like the idea of Powell
a twenty twenty nine pick and like other

936
00:59:28,199 --> 00:59:32,800
stuff like a Lucannard or a Terrence
Man Maybe like that's something that you could

937
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:36,559
look at. I just don't the
way that the Nets organization is run.

938
00:59:36,599 --> 00:59:39,679
I would be shocked if they want
to consider a trade for Kyrie Irving.

939
00:59:39,719 --> 00:59:44,239
And then again, even that market
just becomes so limited because he dictates where

940
00:59:44,679 --> 00:59:45,840
where he would go. And so
yeah, if you were gonna move Kyrie

941
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:50,400
Irving, I'd probably look at like
the Clippers. I honestly wouldn't look at

942
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:52,719
the Lakers. They want to give
you picks? I doubt they'll want to

943
00:59:52,719 --> 00:59:57,800
give you Anthony Davis, that's the
team. And then I don't even know

944
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:04,639
what the Knicks have, just like
enough intriguing win now players to where youngsters

945
01:00:04,639 --> 01:00:08,639
excuse me, and picks plus like
do you really want Evan four Day on

946
01:00:08,679 --> 01:00:13,400
your team? Alc Birks on your
team? I don't know if that like

947
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:15,920
West the whistle and I don't look
the Clippers with Powell and Terrence Mann and

948
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:21,320
then they can now officially trade future
a future pick we're getting this summer.

949
01:00:21,679 --> 01:00:24,400
I don't know if that's even enough. So I don't if team like if

950
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:30,639
he didn't have a say and where
he was going and that wasn't a factor,

951
01:00:30,159 --> 01:00:34,840
that opens up your options considerably.
I just don't see that that situation

952
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:37,719
out there. And just for the
record, I think that Kyerman winds up

953
01:00:37,719 --> 01:00:45,800
staying in Brooklyn. Next question comes
from but to Simon asked, eighty two

954
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:49,320
games is too many and we have
a better products. We cut it down

955
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:51,719
to fifty eight games, but the
owners would never accept that. What's the

956
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,159
shortest regular season they would accept?
And will we only see a short regular

957
01:00:54,199 --> 01:00:58,400
season if a mid season tournament is
added to make up for it? Yeah,

958
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:01,840
So I don't know what minimum that
the teams themselves would accept, and

959
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:07,920
also the players themselves just because like
their salaries are tied to league revenue two,

960
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:09,519
which is tied to you know,
what teams are making at the gate

961
01:01:09,559 --> 01:01:14,800
and from home games as well,
and if you're shortening that too, you

962
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:16,800
know, even if it's even if
it's seventy two, that's five fewer home

963
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:19,920
games. And I think the last
I saw that, the league said like

964
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:25,079
forty percent of the revenue that they
get is like contingent upon like the home

965
01:01:25,159 --> 01:01:30,199
games, the operations and the stuff
that goes into it. I think reasonably.

966
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:31,199
I know Daryl Morey has said,
I don't know if that's where you're

967
01:01:31,199 --> 01:01:34,800
getting the fifty eight number. He's
been a proponent of fifty eight games during

968
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:37,199
the regular season and shortening the playoffs. I don't think we ever get to

969
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:40,440
that low. I think this is
a situation sixties, like let's split the

970
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:45,639
difference and say sixty six feels like
maybe a more optimal number. Sixty six.

971
01:01:45,679 --> 01:01:49,760
Can you schedule more sort of series
with teams so that you're cutting down

972
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:52,000
on the travel as well, I
would say maybe seventy two, and you

973
01:01:52,039 --> 01:01:54,199
could do the same thing with that, like can you figure out ways to

974
01:01:54,199 --> 01:01:59,440
trim down the travel by having more
of these you know, best of three

975
01:02:00,039 --> 01:02:04,400
mid season series or just you know, just the mid season series in general

976
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:07,519
that we saw during the past seventy
two games season twenty one, two,

977
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:12,639
twenty two, and twenty one.
I do think whatever they shortened to it

978
01:02:12,679 --> 01:02:15,400
will be coincided with the mid season
tournament as a way to sort of drum

979
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:17,480
up interest and sell that they're going
to be able to make up revenue from

980
01:02:17,639 --> 01:02:22,960
alternative means. But even I do
think even players and teams would push back

981
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:25,800
against giving up like those ten games. And then also it's five home games

982
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:30,840
per team there, just because of
the money they be sacrificing that you can

983
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:32,960
argue that they'd be able to recoup
it, especially if you're gonna run the

984
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:36,599
mid season tournament. But I think
even the proposals for the mid season tournament

985
01:02:36,639 --> 01:02:38,599
was will shorten the regular season by
four games and include the mid season tournament,

986
01:02:38,639 --> 01:02:42,559
and so you're almost expanding the product
there. We'll trying to add the

987
01:02:42,639 --> 01:02:46,039
element of maybe the one and doneness
that Mark Madness has in the middle of

988
01:02:46,079 --> 01:02:52,159
the year on top of the play
in tournament. So I sixty six to

989
01:02:52,239 --> 01:02:54,400
seventy two. If we're talking about
what would be my drop dead number,

990
01:02:54,639 --> 01:02:58,639
drop dead number to where maybe the
evidence is overwhelming, or maybe they see

991
01:02:58,679 --> 01:03:02,400
that they can recoup an off of
the revenue from the forfeited games that they

992
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:06,639
move, that they move on from
there. I just I struggle to see

993
01:03:06,679 --> 01:03:08,960
it happening. Let's see what the
mid season tournament proposal looks like. I

994
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:12,920
don't know if that four game even
you know, shaving makes a difference down

995
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:16,079
to seventy eight. But if the
league is concerned about players and load management,

996
01:03:16,119 --> 01:03:19,719
they have to figure out a way
panel that. I think the other

997
01:03:19,719 --> 01:03:22,599
element that goes into this is historical
records and perspectives. How much harder is

998
01:03:22,639 --> 01:03:27,840
it to assign value to, you
know, single season records when you're looking

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at per games, if you're short
shortening the season substantially, but then even

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01:03:30,679 --> 01:03:35,400
just the you know, the all
time leading scores, when you're looking at

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01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:37,880
that, and if you're all of
a sudden it's a fifty eight game season

1002
01:03:37,559 --> 01:03:40,639
as opposed to an eighty two game
season, Like, how do we treat

1003
01:03:40,719 --> 01:03:45,159
those records? And I think the
league likes the idea of having players chase

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01:03:45,199 --> 01:03:50,000
history. It's hard enough to sort
of compare different eras, but like having

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01:03:50,079 --> 01:03:54,519
the similar schedules across the board,
that's certainly something that works in favor,

1006
01:03:54,559 --> 01:03:58,199
and so I would be as of
right now, maybe I just can't see

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01:03:58,199 --> 01:04:01,760
the vision. I would be fairly
shocked if we see the league drastically cut

1008
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:04,639
down on the number of games,
even regular season games, even with a

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mid season torment do fu, I
asked, do you think the Raptors could

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01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:14,840
soon become a championship contending roster?
I do they need like shooting and feel

1011
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:17,440
like they need another creator, Like
that's what they feel like they're they're short

1012
01:04:17,519 --> 01:04:19,719
of. I don't know that it
needs to be a star because you have

1013
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:24,880
Fred van Fleet, you have Scottie
Barnes, Pascal Siakam or Gianna Noby.

1014
01:04:25,199 --> 01:04:27,639
If you're refining whether I think there's
like a trade out there that they could

1015
01:04:27,639 --> 01:04:30,360
make if Bradleybyal wanted to come to
Toronto and free agency, that's someone who

1016
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:33,519
I think if you're keeping van Fleet
and Siakam like you're all of a sudden

1017
01:04:34,199 --> 01:04:38,440
and Barnes like you you're all of
a sudden there, I don't know that

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01:04:38,519 --> 01:04:41,119
they need to go that route though, just because I don't know if the

1019
01:04:41,119 --> 01:04:43,639
player that they would ideally need is
available. I think if you just put

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01:04:43,639 --> 01:04:46,559
more even specialty shooting on this roster, or I floated them as a victory

1021
01:04:46,639 --> 01:04:50,639
Ladipo destination in free agency, just
sort of another creator who might be able

1022
01:04:50,679 --> 01:04:55,920
to hit enough of his threes,
I think it makes a big, big

1023
01:04:56,159 --> 01:05:00,239
difference on the trajectory of this team. I don't know if that that's the

1024
01:05:00,239 --> 01:05:02,320
way they're thinking. They seem to
value this model of having the like size

1025
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:05,679
the players and some of the projects. We saw how invested they were and

1026
01:05:06,039 --> 01:05:10,760
pressures that chews development this season,
But I do I think that they could

1027
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:14,400
absolutely become a championship contending roster shoo
I picked them to beat the Sixers in

1028
01:05:14,519 --> 01:05:16,800
Round one, I said on multiple
interviews podcast radio shows, if you told

1029
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:18,679
me they came out of the East, it wouldn't surprise me. I was

1030
01:05:18,719 --> 01:05:23,639
definitely underestimating the extent to which their
offense could struggle. How they're built,

1031
01:05:23,679 --> 01:05:27,079
and that's a way to where when
you can't rely when things look they can

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01:05:27,079 --> 01:05:29,760
get out on the break, they
can hit the glass hard, but when

1033
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:32,760
you're not able to do those things
consistently in the postseason setting when things slow

1034
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:36,119
down. I think Siakham has done
a great deal to improve in those situations.

1035
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:40,760
Maybe Scotty Barnes gets there. Van
Fleet provides value there as well.

1036
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:45,000
I just don't think he's that guy. They need to address that more than

1037
01:05:45,039 --> 01:05:47,280
anything, in my eyes, and
that's a solvable problem. I don't think

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01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:50,400
you need to go get another star
for that, and it's certainly not Rudy

1039
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:57,840
Gobert who addresses it. Let's make
this the last question. Julian Morales asked,

1040
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:00,639
do rebounds per game even matter anymore? I don't think that they don't

1041
01:06:00,679 --> 01:06:05,320
matter. There's just more ways to
dig in to them. How many of

1042
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:10,320
those rebounds are contested? What's the
player that's getting them? As designed so

1043
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:14,360
that apply a certain players can grab
rebounds where maybe you're looking at And this

1044
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:17,320
has always been like the Steven Adam
argument during his Russell Westbrook days, like

1045
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:20,239
you probably need to just look at
his box outs like those. The hustle

1046
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:25,800
stats on how they're boxing out players
matter as well even if you're not grabbing

1047
01:06:26,119 --> 01:06:30,800
rebounds. But rebounds do still matter, like grabbing defensive rebounds. It's a

1048
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:33,519
way to end possessions of the opposing
offense, and also a way to get

1049
01:06:33,559 --> 01:06:38,840
into your offense. If you have
someone who's grabbing a rebound and then being

1050
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:41,679
able to run the break or throw
an outlet pass like a Nicole yok Which

1051
01:06:41,719 --> 01:06:45,519
or Kevin Love, that has inherent
value. I think we're past the days

1052
01:06:45,559 --> 01:06:48,400
of looking at oh Andre Drummond led
the league in rebounds per game, or

1053
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:53,159
so and so led their league and
rebounds per game and just thinking that that's,

1054
01:06:53,239 --> 01:06:57,559
you know, incredibly important. I
don't, but I don't know that

1055
01:06:57,639 --> 01:07:00,719
there's like everything in basketball matters.
It's like the triple double argument, like

1056
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:10,119
there needs to be additional con context
relaid around it. But there's there's like

1057
01:07:10,159 --> 01:07:13,159
there's an importance to rebounding. And
I look at how what the Raptors and

1058
01:07:13,199 --> 01:07:15,360
Grizzlies did specifically this year. I
mean even the Pelicans at points, like

1059
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:19,719
killing it on the offensive glass has
this inherent value to the offense, creating

1060
01:07:19,719 --> 01:07:25,360
those second chance opportunities, higher quality
looks around the basket. That stuff absolutely

1061
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:30,519
matters, and but so do and
again it's defensive rebounds as well, grabbing

1062
01:07:30,519 --> 01:07:33,800
contested defensive rebounds, but so does
boxing out, and so does just actual

1063
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:39,880
defense where you're causing those those misshots
to end the possessions and enforcing turnovers.

1064
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:43,239
There's a lot that goes into it. But if you're looking at total rebounds

1065
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:46,079
per game to try and find the
best rebounder in the league, I would

1066
01:07:46,199 --> 01:07:49,440
argue that, no, that's not
that's not the way to do this.

1067
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:54,639
Like, there doesn't need to be
a rebounding title. To me, feels

1068
01:07:54,639 --> 01:07:58,440
different than a scoring title, if
if that makes any sense, Like those

1069
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:00,400
are being inherently more valuable to begin
with, But do you think that,

1070
01:08:00,519 --> 01:08:03,159
Like, as an example, is
Jianna's attempt to people are the best rebounder

1071
01:08:04,079 --> 01:08:09,239
that I've seen, No, but
the opportunities that he creates by grabbing eleven

1072
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:12,800
point two defensive rebounds during the playoffser
game, that's absolutely huge, and it

1073
01:08:13,119 --> 01:08:15,599
leads the league this year. But
it has a lot to do with minutes

1074
01:08:15,639 --> 01:08:17,399
played, the type of role he's
playing on defense, and then how the

1075
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:24,119
Bucks want to get into their offense
after grabbing those boards. So those things,

1076
01:08:24,159 --> 01:08:27,119
to me matter. I don't think
rebounds don't matter in general. It's

1077
01:08:27,119 --> 01:08:30,720
just not something I'm inclined to look
at the numbers specifically and say and draw

1078
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:34,880
any profound conclusions from Thank you all
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01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:39,600
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01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:42,920
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01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:45,479
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1082
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:49,079
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01:08:49,079 --> 01:08:50,880
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