WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.439 --> 00:00:08.359 Coming up this week on the Markcast. Will the XFL and USFL reportedly have 2 00:00:08.400 --> 00:00:12.880 an agreement in place in regards to the terms for their upcoming merged league. 3 00:00:12.960 --> 00:00:17.879 Both leagues are now entering a quiet period waiting for the paperwork to be finalized, 4 00:00:18.199 --> 00:00:22.719 but with fans of both leagues the XFL and USFL already feeling left out 5 00:00:22.760 --> 00:00:26.800 from this process. Is the new merged league dead on arrival? Grab your 6 00:00:26.800 --> 00:00:30.839 deputy hat and do your best Rick Rhymes Carl impression? As we asked the 7 00:00:30.920 --> 00:00:39.079 question, are we the walking dead? We tell ourselves that we are the 8 00:00:39.119 --> 00:00:43.439 walking dead? Huge show this week. Really excited to bring back Anthony Miller. 9 00:00:43.560 --> 00:00:47.799 Get his thoughts on the XFL USFL merger agreement, as reported by Mike 10 00:00:47.880 --> 00:00:51.920 Mitchell last week. Whether are we hearing timeline wise coming up? What is 11 00:00:51.960 --> 00:00:55.359 Anthony expecting? Is Anthony going to be on board when all of this is 12 00:00:55.399 --> 00:00:58.200 done? Excited to hear from him? They have to merge at this point. 13 00:00:58.399 --> 00:01:00.600 It's too late now, Like you said, the trust would be broken 14 00:01:00.679 --> 00:01:03.239 if they don't merge, and they're like, oh yeah, We're just gonna 15 00:01:03.359 --> 00:01:07.920 keep playing because everyone knows that it means like okay, well they're gonna die. 16 00:01:07.959 --> 00:01:10.200 They're gonna you know, they're gonna die a slow, painful death. 17 00:01:10.239 --> 00:01:12.519 And why am I gonna be involved in this league if I know it's not 18 00:01:12.560 --> 00:01:15.879 gonna survive up to next year, because that's what it really is like, 19 00:01:15.000 --> 00:01:19.480 especially for the XFL. I if this merger doesn't happen after next year, 20 00:01:19.480 --> 00:01:23.280 they're done. And the USFL they maybe have one or two more years and 21 00:01:23.319 --> 00:01:26.799 then they're done. In lots of CFL steff to talk through heading into week 22 00:01:26.920 --> 00:01:32.799 nineteen, here we have CFL on TSN's Barhan Lology talking through all of the 23 00:01:32.840 --> 00:01:37.519 different teams throughout the CFL, which coaches are on the hot seat offseason changes. 24 00:01:37.640 --> 00:01:41.560 Barhan is hearing and also talking CFL playoffs, and that's a loss they're 25 00:01:41.560 --> 00:01:44.920 gonna look back on and regret. I don't know that there's a path to 26 00:01:45.000 --> 00:01:48.760 victory for BC in Winnipeg in a Western Final, you know, And I 27 00:01:48.799 --> 00:01:51.239 got a lot of respect for that team, But that team's built a certain 28 00:01:51.280 --> 00:01:53.760 way, and Winnipeg has built a certain way. And if the conditions are 29 00:01:53.799 --> 00:01:59.159 what they typically are in mid November in Winnipeg, I think the Winnipeg team 30 00:01:59.239 --> 00:02:01.719 is built for those conditions, then longtime friends of the show, Greg Peach 31 00:02:01.799 --> 00:02:07.319 coming back on former Edmonton Hamilton and Winnipeg Blue Bombers player getting his thoughts CFL 32 00:02:07.360 --> 00:02:14.039 week nineteen exciting matchups this weekend. Obviously I'm rooting for Winnipeg, but you 33 00:02:14.080 --> 00:02:19.520 know, Vernon just a top notch, top notch dude, and I'm so 34 00:02:19.560 --> 00:02:22.560 excited for him and the success yet he's having. I mean, he's just 35 00:02:22.680 --> 00:02:27.439 he's bombing it this year and I'd love to see him break that five thousand 36 00:02:28.400 --> 00:02:30.840 yards for the season. And then speaking of Edmonton, we have Kevin Brown, 37 00:02:30.960 --> 00:02:35.520 standout running back from the Edmonton Elks, joining the show, getting his 38 00:02:35.599 --> 00:02:38.319 thoughts on what's been a rocky but overall, you know, a feeling like 39 00:02:38.360 --> 00:02:43.439 we're trending in a positive direction that season for the Edmonton Elks. We're building 40 00:02:43.520 --> 00:02:46.000 now for next season and we're playing and we're pushing every game like it's a 41 00:02:46.000 --> 00:02:52.280 playoff game. So for us, it's to be physical, to hit him 42 00:02:52.280 --> 00:03:07.719 first and to come out fast. Hope you guys enjoy it liking subscribe, 43 00:03:09.719 --> 00:03:14.520 Hey guys, welcome to the Mark Cast. Read here. Shout out Greg 44 00:03:14.560 --> 00:03:19.479 Parks XFL board on his zombie analogy this week, talking on the x Insider 45 00:03:19.560 --> 00:03:23.159 podcast. I texted Greg the second I saw his tweet. I said, 46 00:03:23.439 --> 00:03:27.240 thank you very much for helping me figure out the theme for this week coming 47 00:03:27.240 --> 00:03:30.960 back from Vegas. Was down there for the Cracking game against the Vegas Gold 48 00:03:30.039 --> 00:03:34.960 Knight. So appreciate Greg help make my life easy trying to figure out was 49 00:03:35.000 --> 00:03:38.240 going to go with the Quiet Place. You know that John Krasinski movie still 50 00:03:38.319 --> 00:03:43.280 my Depending on how long this quiet period goes with the XFL, we might 51 00:03:43.280 --> 00:03:46.360 be entering the Quiet Place next week. But for right now, we are 52 00:03:46.400 --> 00:03:49.599 the Walking Dad. We have Rick, Rick, Carl Grimes, all that 53 00:03:49.639 --> 00:03:53.280 stuff. I really appreciate that. A good show today. Like I said, 54 00:03:53.280 --> 00:03:57.199 appreciate Anthony Miller making time here, balancing me, got Thursday football tonight, 55 00:03:57.240 --> 00:04:00.000 Anthony's work schedule, Cracking play and the Preds. Lots of things going 56 00:04:00.039 --> 00:04:04.000 on. I really appreciate that far Han always making time I got to I 57 00:04:04.039 --> 00:04:08.639 didn't get to see him. We got to correspond with Farhan last week when 58 00:04:08.680 --> 00:04:12.599 we were at the BC Place for the Winnipeg Blue Bombers game. There you 59 00:04:12.639 --> 00:04:15.399 could hear my thoughts extended with Evan and Jason on the Monday recap. We 60 00:04:15.439 --> 00:04:19.600 did following that, I really appreciate Greg Peach coming back on, always happy 61 00:04:19.600 --> 00:04:24.439 to jump on, he hops onto the moments. Notice, happy to chat 62 00:04:24.439 --> 00:04:28.120 with him and really appreciate his willingness. And then of course Edmonton always a 63 00:04:28.160 --> 00:04:31.040 great team to work with getting players on it. Really appreciate getting to talk 64 00:04:31.079 --> 00:04:34.240 with Kevin Brown. With the Edmonton elks here, you know, like I 65 00:04:34.279 --> 00:04:38.759 said, season probably not what they wanted it to be, but certainly feels 66 00:04:38.800 --> 00:04:41.680 like things are trending in the right direction. Far Han, I think it's 67 00:04:41.720 --> 00:04:44.360 the same kind of in his interview. You'll hear it coming up. So 68 00:04:45.040 --> 00:04:47.120 that should do it for me today. Unless there's any future read updates. 69 00:04:47.160 --> 00:04:49.879 I'll check in at the end of the show. But like I said, 70 00:04:49.879 --> 00:04:55.720 you hope you guys enjoy weird time right now. Quiet plays, Zombie XFL 71 00:04:55.879 --> 00:05:00.639 showcases didn't seem like that was a big to do. Over the weekend. 72 00:05:00.759 --> 00:05:02.600 We have a you know, a draft coming up that's been delayed, so 73 00:05:02.839 --> 00:05:05.959 we'll see what's going on. But stay tuned, make sure you're subscribed. 74 00:05:05.959 --> 00:05:10.639 That will keep you updated with the shorts and live shows and everything else as 75 00:05:10.759 --> 00:05:16.519 NEE beats, So we'll see you guys at the end. Next well, 76 00:05:16.560 --> 00:05:21.279 Anthony doing my best Rick Grimes impression. Today we're the Walking Dead, Carl 77 00:05:21.480 --> 00:05:25.079 and I fell off that show. I didn't make it to I did watch 78 00:05:25.160 --> 00:05:28.360 like that everything that you missed in The Walking Dead in like seventeen minutes or 79 00:05:28.360 --> 00:05:31.160 whatever after the season ended. But we're here. We had you on the 80 00:05:31.199 --> 00:05:35.480 breaking news day with Mike and the live stream. Now more time to process. 81 00:05:35.560 --> 00:05:39.480 We obviously have the agreement that Mike put out last week, the report 82 00:05:39.560 --> 00:05:42.839 after our show, and then the Ben Fisher's report as well. We'll get 83 00:05:42.839 --> 00:05:45.680 into all that. How are you feeling now, kind of two weeks post 84 00:05:45.720 --> 00:05:48.920 your mood from all this. I think the feelings have kind of died down 85 00:05:48.959 --> 00:05:51.360 down at the point where I'm just like, all right, let's get this 86 00:05:51.600 --> 00:05:55.319 train rolling, you know, let's try to figure out what's going on. 87 00:05:55.680 --> 00:06:00.319 I think just the idea of not knowing how this is gonna work out out, 88 00:06:00.560 --> 00:06:03.120 you know, with the merger, I just at this point I've kind 89 00:06:03.120 --> 00:06:05.639 of calmed down a bit and I'm just like, we'll just kind of see 90 00:06:05.639 --> 00:06:10.319 what happens, because I mean, there's so many possibilities, and I think 91 00:06:10.360 --> 00:06:14.240 once we have our minds running wild with it, then it's gonna drive us 92 00:06:14.319 --> 00:06:17.240 nuts. So I'm just gonna kind of let the process play out. Yeah, 93 00:06:17.279 --> 00:06:21.800 I know. So they had the showcase on Saturday and Greg wasn't at 94 00:06:21.839 --> 00:06:25.560 it, but I think he did the rite up because Michael was there with 95 00:06:26.279 --> 00:06:30.079 what is it now? The Player fifty four podcasts. He was there, 96 00:06:30.199 --> 00:06:32.600 you know, Buckley was there. Greg called it like the zombie XFL, 97 00:06:32.680 --> 00:06:38.120 which I thought very like kind of apropos right now, because I don't know, 98 00:06:38.120 --> 00:06:41.279 and I feel similarly about the USFL, like, Okay, we're tweeting 99 00:06:41.319 --> 00:06:44.800 out, Okay, Brandon Aubrey stats today from the Dallas Cowboys, but it 100 00:06:44.839 --> 00:06:48.120 doesn't really feel like either league is doing a lot. And I just I 101 00:06:48.120 --> 00:06:51.439 don't know, if you're a fan of either league, how we're supposed to 102 00:06:51.480 --> 00:06:56.279 feel right now, how do you feel? I mean, it's it's hard 103 00:06:56.279 --> 00:06:58.839 to say that the XFL is not doing anything because, let's face it, 104 00:06:58.879 --> 00:07:01.759 their off season began at so all their player signings, their college drafts, 105 00:07:01.759 --> 00:07:05.360 all that stuff happened during the summer. So I think we talked about this 106 00:07:05.439 --> 00:07:09.480 in our group chat, but I think Mike brought up that pretty much every 107 00:07:09.480 --> 00:07:13.399 team is at seventy or more players, so it's like how many more players 108 00:07:13.439 --> 00:07:15.800 can you sign? Obviously you want to try to get some of the top 109 00:07:15.800 --> 00:07:20.120 players in free agency, anyone who dropped off you know, after you know, 110 00:07:20.759 --> 00:07:24.399 training camp, so they probably want to go after those players. But 111 00:07:24.399 --> 00:07:26.920 at the but for the most part, this is probably going to be the 112 00:07:26.959 --> 00:07:30.560 slower part of the of the off season for the XFL. For the USFL, 113 00:07:30.600 --> 00:07:33.279 it's going to be different because their obviously began in July. So now 114 00:07:33.319 --> 00:07:36.920 they they got you know, this October free agency going on right now, 115 00:07:36.959 --> 00:07:41.120 and they're going to go, you know, go after players that you know, 116 00:07:41.399 --> 00:07:45.720 just got their contracts released from other USFL teams and try to pick up 117 00:07:45.720 --> 00:07:48.920 other players, so that it seems like they're a little more active that but 118 00:07:49.160 --> 00:07:54.120 you know that's because they need to kind of rebuild their rosters and stuff like 119 00:07:54.199 --> 00:07:58.600 that. So I don't I don't think too much into the XFL is not 120 00:07:58.639 --> 00:08:03.040 doing anything. You know, the USFL is doing very little because there's really 121 00:08:03.240 --> 00:08:05.560 not much to do right now unless they set up these drafts. With the 122 00:08:05.639 --> 00:08:11.079 XFL's already kind of pushed off one of the drafts, so I'm sure there's 123 00:08:11.240 --> 00:08:13.199 kind of a holding period, but there's got to be a point where these 124 00:08:13.279 --> 00:08:16.040 leagues. I wonder if there's some kind of deadline for them to be like, 125 00:08:16.040 --> 00:08:18.639 look, if we don't merge by this date, we're just going to 126 00:08:18.720 --> 00:08:22.079 have to move forward with our seasons. Because the one thing I've been thinking 127 00:08:22.079 --> 00:08:26.720 about is what are the stadium leases for the XFL, Like, like, 128 00:08:26.759 --> 00:08:31.560 do they have a certain timeframe that they have the stadiums, because if they 129 00:08:31.600 --> 00:08:33.600 try to move to April start at the same time as the USFL, that's 130 00:08:33.600 --> 00:08:37.879 going to mess up all their stadium leases. And so honestly, at this 131 00:08:37.919 --> 00:08:41.000 point, I'm not really banking on this league. You know, the two 132 00:08:41.080 --> 00:08:43.639 leagues merging for twenty twenty four. It doesn't really make sense to at this 133 00:08:43.679 --> 00:08:48.440 point just play out the seasons and then make all your changes after the USFL 134 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:52.960 seasons done next year. Is that I think, timing wise, that makes 135 00:08:54.000 --> 00:08:58.039 the most sense because we live through all this stuff with the Vegas and getting 136 00:08:58.039 --> 00:09:01.120 the schedule out and they waited too long and that's why we didn't have the 137 00:09:01.360 --> 00:09:03.360 valot. Like the Ballahawks, we're at home for the first three weeks and 138 00:09:03.360 --> 00:09:07.840 because we kind of we would you know, this isn't like Taylor Swift, 139 00:09:07.840 --> 00:09:09.440 I'm booking the tour and like, okay, well you know we're gonna make 140 00:09:09.519 --> 00:09:16.080 make space here to kind of do it is there? Does that? Does 141 00:09:16.080 --> 00:09:20.000 that excite the fan bases going into this year and knowing that that's what's going 142 00:09:20.039 --> 00:09:22.720 on next year? Is this kind of a monkey monkey on the back? 143 00:09:22.840 --> 00:09:24.759 Like well this this is kind of a lame duck season. Like I don't 144 00:09:24.759 --> 00:09:28.039 know how to react to that. What do you make Yeah, it's interesting. 145 00:09:28.120 --> 00:09:31.399 I don't really know how to make up it either, because especially with 146 00:09:31.519 --> 00:09:35.320 the report's coming out about some of the teams that might be on the out, 147 00:09:35.519 --> 00:09:39.080 Like is that gonna affect ticket sales? Is that going to affect people's 148 00:09:39.200 --> 00:09:43.120 interests in these leagues? Like especially in Houston, Like let's just say they 149 00:09:43.159 --> 00:09:46.600 choose the Gamblers over the Roughnecks and the Roughnecks don't survive. Are those fans 150 00:09:46.639 --> 00:09:50.360 really even going to care about the Roughnecks? Are they going to come out 151 00:09:50.360 --> 00:09:54.039 for it knowing that this team's gonna get swept under our feet after the season. 152 00:09:54.279 --> 00:09:58.639 So I think just the uncertaining of that can definitely mess up, you 153 00:09:58.639 --> 00:10:03.919 know, the interest level. I seriously doubt they're gonna do as well in 154 00:10:03.960 --> 00:10:05.200 the ratings a doubt they're gonna do as well in the you know, in 155 00:10:05.360 --> 00:10:09.840 attendance. And you just brought up Vegas. That's a great question. What's 156 00:10:09.840 --> 00:10:11.720 gonna happen with the Vipers? You know what? What if the XFL continues, 157 00:10:11.919 --> 00:10:15.720 I seriously doubt at this point they can find a home for them unless 158 00:10:15.759 --> 00:10:20.399 they already have a stadium agreement already in place for some city. So are 159 00:10:20.399 --> 00:10:22.639 they gonna end up playing in Arlington? And Arlington's gonna have two teams? 160 00:10:22.679 --> 00:10:28.279 Like there's just it's just a it's a holding period right now, and I 161 00:10:28.279 --> 00:10:31.200 don't know if the interest is going to quite be there. It could end 162 00:10:31.279 --> 00:10:33.960 up being like this, This season for both leagues is going to be a 163 00:10:33.960 --> 00:10:39.440 squash and they're gonna rebrand whatever with this nsfo X whatever the hell is going 164 00:10:39.480 --> 00:10:43.039 to be. But it's gonna be something. And I think they're probably just 165 00:10:43.039 --> 00:10:46.480 gonna say forget about you know, this upcoming season. And that's what you 166 00:10:46.519 --> 00:10:50.840 know, that's where I get to this difficult position, right So if you 167 00:10:50.960 --> 00:10:52.919 if you go in, we make it. You know, So we're and 168 00:10:52.960 --> 00:10:56.120 we'll talk through my story here, but you we're in the we're in the 169 00:10:56.120 --> 00:11:00.120 holding period. They've submitted, which it was like weird timing, like we 170 00:11:00.120 --> 00:11:03.440 had kaplan on last week and we're kind of pontificating about that, and like 171 00:11:03.480 --> 00:11:05.799 I messaged Mike, I'm like, is this really weird timing that we were 172 00:11:05.840 --> 00:11:09.200 kind of having this debate about whether the agreement was submitted and then mike' scott 173 00:11:09.200 --> 00:11:13.600 the article. But that's great. I love the clarity of that. But 174 00:11:13.799 --> 00:11:16.279 so how do you expect a Yeah, if you're a coach on the Vegas 175 00:11:16.360 --> 00:11:20.000 Vipers, you know, if the announcement comes out, Okay, the Vipers 176 00:11:20.000 --> 00:11:22.759 are going away this year, how do you do that? Or else? 177 00:11:22.799 --> 00:11:26.120 How do you live through not knowing for a year which teams are going to 178 00:11:26.200 --> 00:11:30.240 make it right? And this is the same with the season tickets. I 179 00:11:30.240 --> 00:11:33.600 mean I was just in Vegas with my friend Michael and he's like, I'm 180 00:11:33.679 --> 00:11:37.279 out on, Like I want my money back from the Sea Dragons tickets. 181 00:11:37.320 --> 00:11:39.440 Like I am moving on because I now have no faith in any of this 182 00:11:41.039 --> 00:11:43.840 at all, you know, like I've even if the Sea Dragons survive, 183 00:11:43.879 --> 00:11:46.080 but we're going to a hublic. I have no faith in any of this 184 00:11:46.159 --> 00:11:48.120 at all. Yeah, I agree, And if I was a fan for 185 00:11:48.320 --> 00:11:54.000 somebody like Seattle or the Houston Roughnecks or you know, I would feel the 186 00:11:54.039 --> 00:11:56.600 same way. I wouldn't have any loyalty to them, and it's it is 187 00:11:56.679 --> 00:12:01.519 going to make this season a wash. Though. I wonder, you know, 188 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:05.000 could they could they start moving into a hub model, you know, 189 00:12:05.279 --> 00:12:09.639 this year and just start making the transition and get people ready for because it's 190 00:12:09.639 --> 00:12:13.320 like, what about the coaches that you know, for these teams that are 191 00:12:13.320 --> 00:12:16.320 going to leave, Like I think it's just being told, hey, you're 192 00:12:16.320 --> 00:12:18.399 going to go through twenty twenty four, then you're going to lose your job 193 00:12:18.519 --> 00:12:20.919 like that. I don't know that. Just what about the staff members. 194 00:12:20.960 --> 00:12:24.720 I mean, it's probably gonna affect them more because I mean coaches and players 195 00:12:24.759 --> 00:12:26.480 can leave and go find other teams and you know, try to go to 196 00:12:26.480 --> 00:12:31.440 the NFL or if L or wherever. But what about the staff members who 197 00:12:31.799 --> 00:12:35.679 you know, are full time employees of the XFL and they're told, you 198 00:12:35.720 --> 00:12:37.440 know, hey, I know you work for the Saint Louis, you work 199 00:12:37.480 --> 00:12:39.840 for the SEATLEC Dragons, but to let you know, you know, after 200 00:12:39.879 --> 00:12:43.480 twenty twenty four, you're done, Like you're you're gonna be released after the 201 00:12:43.480 --> 00:12:46.320 season, Like that's your people are going to be losing jobs out of it. 202 00:12:46.440 --> 00:12:50.759 So I don't know, no matter what happens, this is going to 203 00:12:50.799 --> 00:12:54.679 be at the backle for a lot of people's lives. It's going to mess 204 00:12:54.759 --> 00:12:56.799 up a lot of people's lives, and it's going to be a really bumpy 205 00:12:56.879 --> 00:13:01.840 road for these leagues for the next year to try to get through the PR 206 00:13:01.000 --> 00:13:05.600 part of this. But once they can get everything settled down and you know, 207 00:13:05.720 --> 00:13:07.399 get you know whatever it is, ten twelve teams, you know, 208 00:13:07.559 --> 00:13:09.799 rolling, and then they can start building off of that, then I think 209 00:13:09.799 --> 00:13:13.200 they're going to be fine. But until then, for the next year or 210 00:13:13.240 --> 00:13:15.960 two, it's going to be a PR nightmare for the clear both leagues. 211 00:13:16.440 --> 00:13:18.080 Well, yeah, because I was talking with one of the staff members for 212 00:13:18.120 --> 00:13:20.360 one of the teams, and yeah, they were saying, like, I 213 00:13:20.480 --> 00:13:24.840 we kind of need to know now, right, Like I don't have the 214 00:13:24.919 --> 00:13:26.679 luxury of having a month, two months a year whatever. I mean. 215 00:13:26.720 --> 00:13:33.039 We just saw Matt you know, the communications guy for the Renegades, you 216 00:13:33.080 --> 00:13:35.720 know, and he's with REV and that's also in Dallas anyway, and you 217 00:13:35.720 --> 00:13:39.279 know, so maybe that's maybe that's a better position, right, And I'm 218 00:13:39.279 --> 00:13:41.559 sure it has more stability on that. But you know you're sitting there like, 219 00:13:41.879 --> 00:13:45.480 why am I waiting around for this at this point? Like I feel 220 00:13:45.480 --> 00:13:46.919 like it was already a leap to kind of sign on to this league, 221 00:13:46.960 --> 00:13:50.399 right hey, it's a startup whatever, and now it's like the first kind 222 00:13:50.440 --> 00:13:54.200 of the first speed bump in the road. They're like, well, we 223 00:13:54.240 --> 00:13:56.200 don't even have people I did. I'm like, I'm getting off the ship 224 00:13:56.279 --> 00:13:58.240 right now. Like it was hard for me, like as someone has followed 225 00:13:58.240 --> 00:14:01.120 this, you know, not even having my livelihood rely on this, I 226 00:14:01.159 --> 00:14:05.039 couldn't imagine that stress. Yeah, I mean a lot of the people have 227 00:14:05.120 --> 00:14:07.440 families to think about, and they can't be a part of something if they 228 00:14:07.480 --> 00:14:09.919 don't know what I mean, I can't imagine what the last two or three 229 00:14:09.960 --> 00:14:13.399 weeks hapt ben for, like, you know, a typical staff member of 230 00:14:13.440 --> 00:14:16.440 this league, because right now they can only think about am I going to 231 00:14:16.480 --> 00:14:20.240 still have a job. You know, because we talked to those before. 232 00:14:20.320 --> 00:14:22.080 We know what happens with mergers. Where mergers happen, people end up losing 233 00:14:22.120 --> 00:14:24.039 jobs. That's just the reality of it. They need to cut on, 234 00:14:24.480 --> 00:14:26.360 you know. But you know, they have a budget, they have to 235 00:14:26.360 --> 00:14:30.559 cut you know, people out. So it's going to be the harsh reality 236 00:14:30.559 --> 00:14:33.200 of it. And again it's it's going to be a nightmare. Pr wise, 237 00:14:33.240 --> 00:14:33.960 a lot of people are going to lose jobs. A lot of people 238 00:14:35.000 --> 00:14:37.480 are going to be excuse my lugas are going to be pissed off because they're 239 00:14:37.519 --> 00:14:41.960 losing their jobs. So it's it's going to be a nightmare regardless. And 240 00:14:43.000 --> 00:14:46.120 I can't imagine what the employees are going through right now. So we had 241 00:14:46.200 --> 00:14:50.240 Mike's article out here talking about, you know, the agreement coming out late 242 00:14:50.279 --> 00:14:54.759 Friday, because I talked with Dan and Dan had said, you know, 243 00:14:54.000 --> 00:14:58.559 there's one thing to say we're intending to merge. It's another thing to kind 244 00:14:58.559 --> 00:15:03.799 of proclaim that filing the paperwork. We've seen the PGA and live you say 245 00:15:03.840 --> 00:15:05.360 they want to move into a merger. Not gotten to that point yet. 246 00:15:05.519 --> 00:15:09.759 So now we have this, it's at least a thirty day kind of waiting 247 00:15:09.759 --> 00:15:13.799 period while undergoes a regulatory review. Does that make you feel like at least 248 00:15:13.840 --> 00:15:16.559 we have to have the shot clock. Now we know what's happening with us, 249 00:15:18.080 --> 00:15:20.480 I mean kind of, I mean we I guess we kind of have 250 00:15:20.519 --> 00:15:22.080 a general idea of what the timeline could be. I think I think the 251 00:15:22.200 --> 00:15:24.559 article said that it could be about a month that it could take, but 252 00:15:24.559 --> 00:15:28.600 it could also take longer. It also takes shorter, so I think we're 253 00:15:28.600 --> 00:15:33.120 still in the holding period where we don't I mean, I guess we kind 254 00:15:33.120 --> 00:15:35.919 of have a general idea it could be a month, but you know, 255 00:15:35.960 --> 00:15:37.799 with Fox's involvement and stuff like that, is that going to make it a 256 00:15:37.799 --> 00:15:41.840 little bit longer? Is there a longer conversation that needs to be had, 257 00:15:41.960 --> 00:15:46.000 So you know, I certainly hope that, you know, they can figure 258 00:15:46.039 --> 00:15:50.159 this out within thirty days and start getting the ball rolling, but you know, 259 00:15:50.480 --> 00:15:52.399 you just never know what these situations. So I still feel like we're 260 00:15:52.519 --> 00:15:56.799 still in this waiting period where we don't know what's going to happen. Because 261 00:15:56.840 --> 00:16:00.720 now we're in mid October, where four months of from the XFL season starting, 262 00:16:00.799 --> 00:16:03.840 and we still don't know if they're going to truly merge or not. 263 00:16:03.960 --> 00:16:07.159 There could be an issue that pops up with it. So it's just one 264 00:16:07.200 --> 00:16:10.440 of those where, you know what, I'm taking my mind off of it 265 00:16:10.519 --> 00:16:15.240 and I'm just gonna wait until the merger actually happens, and then we can 266 00:16:15.279 --> 00:16:18.639 start, you know, start talking about what's going to happen from there in 267 00:16:18.720 --> 00:16:22.159 terms of and we kind of pontificated about this during the live show, you 268 00:16:22.200 --> 00:16:25.360 know, the timing of this kind of where you know, Mike have reported 269 00:16:25.399 --> 00:16:29.080 they have been talking since after the USFL Championship game that like, I don't 270 00:16:29.080 --> 00:16:32.360 know if it almost feels like this took too long to get to this point 271 00:16:32.399 --> 00:16:36.240 where it is, And like the same thing with the Vegas thing last year, 272 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:37.639 there's this thing, Hey, you got a hard deadline you got to 273 00:16:37.720 --> 00:16:41.399 hit here, we're kind of messing around. I just I don't know if 274 00:16:41.440 --> 00:16:45.240 you could handle a mulligan or shift at this point. Like, I don't 275 00:16:45.240 --> 00:16:48.879 know, it just feels weird timing to me that we're in mid October. 276 00:16:48.919 --> 00:16:52.200 We're debating this very similarly the last year with the Vegas situation. Yeah, 277 00:16:52.240 --> 00:16:55.919 because like I said, like I feel like at this point the Vipers, 278 00:16:55.960 --> 00:16:59.759 are you going to find a home for them? And I don't know Arizona 279 00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:03.320 Ashville that they talk like, I think it's too late for that. I 280 00:17:03.559 --> 00:17:06.759 think you either go back to cashman Field or you're going to be playing in 281 00:17:07.039 --> 00:17:11.079 Arlington. I think I think we're gonna have the Arlington Vipers and the Arlington 282 00:17:11.119 --> 00:17:14.960 Renegades. I really think that's what's gonna end up happening, because I don't 283 00:17:15.000 --> 00:17:17.400 know how quickly this merger is going to happen. I mean, at this 284 00:17:17.480 --> 00:17:19.720 point, it's gonna be such a rush job if they just go with all, 285 00:17:19.799 --> 00:17:22.160 right, ten twelve teams, we're cutting everybody, you know, we're 286 00:17:22.200 --> 00:17:26.440 cutting these four teams, and we're moving forward with this in April. Like 287 00:17:26.480 --> 00:17:30.759 I just feel like that's just that's too hectic, and there's so many elements 288 00:17:30.799 --> 00:17:34.119 to it that they got to think about. So I certainly hope they don't 289 00:17:34.319 --> 00:17:37.240 rush this. I hope at this point, I think it's just smarter. 290 00:17:37.480 --> 00:17:41.720 Let's just get through the twenty twenty four seasons with the XFL and USFL and 291 00:17:41.759 --> 00:17:45.680 then just merge from there, because right now it's going to be a mess 292 00:17:45.680 --> 00:17:48.000 that they try to do it, and I'm really worried about how it's going 293 00:17:48.079 --> 00:17:52.240 to look on television, you know, how how the teams are gonna look. 294 00:17:52.519 --> 00:17:57.279 It's it's gonna be a mess. Is does the fact that we tracked 295 00:17:57.279 --> 00:18:00.079 all this with the CFL, the fact that the EXEL was one to reach 296 00:18:00.160 --> 00:18:07.119 out to the USFL. I guess, first off, now that we've kind 297 00:18:07.119 --> 00:18:11.559 of live through that, does that in any way give you hesitancy about the 298 00:18:11.680 --> 00:18:15.079 XFL's commitment to a long term path here? Considering they were the ones one 299 00:18:15.160 --> 00:18:18.960 year in the loss they were the ones that reached out. I think I 300 00:18:19.079 --> 00:18:23.440 have longevity questions for both leagues, but probably more for the XFL, if 301 00:18:23.440 --> 00:18:27.640 I'm being honest. For them to be the ones that reached out and said, 302 00:18:27.839 --> 00:18:30.839 you know, hey, let's merge, that just shows me that, 303 00:18:32.319 --> 00:18:34.559 yes, we talked about like the sixty million dollar losses are not as big 304 00:18:34.599 --> 00:18:37.000 as people make it out to be. But still at the same time, 305 00:18:37.440 --> 00:18:41.319 they did lose money, and they did you know, they went bigger on 306 00:18:41.400 --> 00:18:45.880 the picture and got their teams into home markets, so they they did spend 307 00:18:45.880 --> 00:18:48.720 a lot more money. That is the reality situation. And you know, 308 00:18:48.799 --> 00:18:52.039 you look at Redburd, you look at you know, Dwayne the Rock Johnson, 309 00:18:52.079 --> 00:18:55.640 Danny Gercia. Do they do they want to spend the money to keep 310 00:18:55.680 --> 00:18:59.839 this league running if they're not going to you know, make profit off. 311 00:18:59.920 --> 00:19:03.720 It just seems like right now, you know, like they say, doing 312 00:19:03.759 --> 00:19:07.519 the Rock Johnson has not had the greatest of years over the last year or 313 00:19:07.559 --> 00:19:11.559 so with how Black Adam is done, and I don't think he's really generated 314 00:19:11.599 --> 00:19:12.920 the revenue that he was hoping he was going to get and he did. 315 00:19:14.000 --> 00:19:15.920 He's not as involved with DC as he was hoping he was going to be 316 00:19:17.000 --> 00:19:19.880 when he got kicked out the door. So you know, dude, does 317 00:19:19.920 --> 00:19:23.440 he legitimately have the money? I mean, Redbird is so involved in other 318 00:19:23.519 --> 00:19:27.960 sports teams and stuff like that that I'm sure they can probably help and pay 319 00:19:29.079 --> 00:19:32.960 for it, But what about doing the Rock Johnson and Danny Garcia like they 320 00:19:33.240 --> 00:19:37.319 It was just interesting how the two of them were just so vague about their 321 00:19:37.359 --> 00:19:41.599 statement after the merger, where it's just three four words, that's it, 322 00:19:41.680 --> 00:19:45.680 that's all we're tweeting like it just it just feels to me like I think 323 00:19:45.680 --> 00:19:48.839 they're almost kind of creeping out the door, and you know, they need 324 00:19:48.880 --> 00:19:52.960 to lean on the USFL to kind of save them. So yeah, I 325 00:19:52.960 --> 00:19:56.839 think the XFL, you know, may end up dying because they're spending too 326 00:19:56.920 --> 00:20:00.759 much money, and the USFL is going to die because those people just don't 327 00:20:00.799 --> 00:20:04.400 want to watch football games with no fans, Like it just takes away from 328 00:20:04.440 --> 00:20:07.920 the experience. I know, USFL fans don't want to hear that, but 329 00:20:07.359 --> 00:20:11.839 that is the reality of the situation. So you know, the merger has 330 00:20:11.880 --> 00:20:15.240 to happen. But I feel like the XFL may die quicker if they don't 331 00:20:15.279 --> 00:20:18.039 get this done. Yea, it seems like and I can't remember if we 332 00:20:18.079 --> 00:20:22.960 talked about on the podcast or op but like Redbird came in, Hey, 333 00:20:22.319 --> 00:20:26.079 we get the rock on this. We're gonna tweet he can put out, 334 00:20:26.480 --> 00:20:29.720 Uh, this is going to be maybe an easier flip than we than we 335 00:20:29.759 --> 00:20:33.200 thought. Right, And and what I've said online before too is just because 336 00:20:33.279 --> 00:20:40.839 the USFL outlasting the XFL okay business wise, you know, safer makes more 337 00:20:40.880 --> 00:20:44.039 sense, but like that doesn't necessarily make it right, but from from a 338 00:20:44.039 --> 00:20:45.799 fan viewer perspective, right, and if the if, the only if the 339 00:20:45.880 --> 00:20:51.519 USFL is only uh way they won was just well, we outlasted the XFL 340 00:20:51.559 --> 00:20:53.279 because we weren't spending as much money. Like to me, that's not a 341 00:20:53.359 --> 00:20:56.279 victory. I mean, I'm I'm kind of getting in with the ae wwwe 342 00:20:56.359 --> 00:21:00.240 stuff right now. And there's a lot of a kind of a pit seen 343 00:21:00.279 --> 00:21:03.359 contests going back and forth with them, and like, uh, you know, 344 00:21:03.559 --> 00:21:06.160 it's interesting to see how these companies work. But like purely just well 345 00:21:06.160 --> 00:21:07.799 we didn't spend as much, so we out last. That doesn't to me 346 00:21:08.039 --> 00:21:12.720 justify the business model as as successful as more of just it has a longevity. 347 00:21:14.160 --> 00:21:15.400 But I don't know where that plan is to expand if that that was 348 00:21:15.519 --> 00:21:19.400 really terrible way to describe that. No, it makes sense because I mean, 349 00:21:19.480 --> 00:21:23.079 like, yeah, I mean we heard Daryl Johnson say last year that 350 00:21:23.160 --> 00:21:27.599 he was disappointed with the ratings. So what makes the USFL think the ratings 351 00:21:27.599 --> 00:21:30.440 are going to get better in season three if they're still you know, in 352 00:21:30.440 --> 00:21:34.079 their hub cities and it's the same teams, Like, I just don't see 353 00:21:34.079 --> 00:21:37.799 how they're going to do better. I think more likely the XFL has a 354 00:21:37.839 --> 00:21:41.480 little bit of a better chance of having better ratings. So they're just more 355 00:21:41.599 --> 00:21:45.000 established and you know, hopeful maybe they can get the Vipers into a good 356 00:21:45.039 --> 00:21:48.839 home and you know that that I think they have a better chance of it. 357 00:21:48.880 --> 00:21:52.000 But you know, the USFL can't lose money if they're not making money 358 00:21:52.000 --> 00:21:56.960 either, so not having fans and all that, it's still is like there, 359 00:21:56.079 --> 00:22:00.200 how are they making you know, money, how are they generating revenue? 360 00:22:00.440 --> 00:22:03.319 So at the end of the day, Like, yeah, the XFO 361 00:22:03.440 --> 00:22:07.279 may die sooner because they're spending too much money, but the USFL is going 362 00:22:07.319 --> 00:22:11.319 to die a slow, painful death because they're not spending money either, so 363 00:22:11.599 --> 00:22:14.680 it's gonna end up hurting them. So that's that's how both leagues are gonna 364 00:22:14.680 --> 00:22:18.119 die. They're just gonna die in different ways. Last question that I wanted 365 00:22:18.119 --> 00:22:22.400 to talk through this, Ben Fisher said before we get out to me, 366 00:22:22.559 --> 00:22:25.839 you know, talking about this and the XFL you're reaching out, it is 367 00:22:25.920 --> 00:22:29.920 kind of like I think it's seinfilled where it's like you don't want to lose 368 00:22:30.000 --> 00:22:33.240 face, right, you want to save face. And it feels like and 369 00:22:33.279 --> 00:22:34.799 we've talked through the Reverend, you know, they were the ones. It 370 00:22:34.880 --> 00:22:37.519 was kind of the chicken match and they were the ones that pulled up first, 371 00:22:37.640 --> 00:22:41.920 right. I mean I've lived through the Monday Night wars and all that 372 00:22:41.000 --> 00:22:44.440 kind of stuff, and you know it's it's one thing to go ahead to 373 00:22:44.480 --> 00:22:48.920 head or whatever and the first one to pull for whatever reason. And it 374 00:22:48.960 --> 00:22:52.240 could just be repords, cold feet or whatever. But it doesn't help that 375 00:22:52.240 --> 00:22:56.000 that. I guess it's your messaging and the fans as well. It's like 376 00:22:56.039 --> 00:22:57.240 hey, like trust us. We're going to be here for you guys, 377 00:22:57.240 --> 00:23:00.839 when it was the first sign of you know, Chad here and it's like 378 00:23:00.880 --> 00:23:03.759 wow, okay, We're like yeah, we're there. Yeah. I think 379 00:23:03.799 --> 00:23:08.400 the difference though, is when you you know, when it was like WWE 380 00:23:08.680 --> 00:23:14.480 versus WCW and stuff like that, Like even though like WCW ended up dying, 381 00:23:14.599 --> 00:23:18.119 you at least the WW at least fans knew ww was going to survive 382 00:23:18.200 --> 00:23:21.920 no matter what because they have such a big name brand that you know, 383 00:23:22.240 --> 00:23:26.079 there's nothing that's going to really kill them unless it's like and it's such a 384 00:23:26.319 --> 00:23:30.160 massive issue that ends up killing the but you know, WWE is going to 385 00:23:30.200 --> 00:23:33.799 survive. In this case, USFL and XFL are going to die. So 386 00:23:33.839 --> 00:23:37.039 it's just a matter of if the USFL wants to celebrate lasting one more season 387 00:23:37.039 --> 00:23:38.960 than them, all right, great, but you know you're probably still gonna 388 00:23:40.000 --> 00:23:42.880 end up folding because you're not making money either unless you actually go into your 389 00:23:42.920 --> 00:23:47.319 team's home markets, which I don't know if they're willing to. It just 390 00:23:47.400 --> 00:23:49.519 doesn't seem like they're really in a rush too. They keep hanging out in 391 00:23:49.599 --> 00:23:52.920 kin Ohio and it's just like, you don't have a team there. It 392 00:23:52.960 --> 00:23:56.119 doesn't make any sense. Like it's just I get why they went slow, 393 00:23:56.240 --> 00:24:00.680 and it's probably the smarter business decision, but at the same time, it's 394 00:24:00.720 --> 00:24:03.079 like, you're heading the season three. You should be in home markets by 395 00:24:03.119 --> 00:24:07.440 now if you if you wanted to slow progression, fine, but now we're 396 00:24:07.480 --> 00:24:10.839 heading the season three and it doesn't sound like it's gonna be you know, 397 00:24:11.240 --> 00:24:15.240 six to eight cities. It sounds like it's still gonna they're gonna still stick 398 00:24:15.279 --> 00:24:19.279 with the four hub cities. And that's not encouraging at all, like they 399 00:24:19.319 --> 00:24:22.319 should be. If they were really making money, they would progress a little 400 00:24:22.319 --> 00:24:26.200 bit quicker than that. Well, it doesn't excite I mean, and this 401 00:24:26.319 --> 00:24:29.920 is why I've said on here, like I'm kind of you know, depending 402 00:24:29.920 --> 00:24:33.400 on how this goes, could be hesitant about this because I need to see 403 00:24:33.440 --> 00:24:37.039 a path forward here and where I don't see like, well, you know, 404 00:24:37.039 --> 00:24:38.799 the Sea Draggons are going to play in Arizona for a year, but 405 00:24:38.839 --> 00:24:41.799 they don't worry you're going to get it back, so I don't. You 406 00:24:41.839 --> 00:24:45.160 can't you can't guarantee that now. I mean, I've we've lived through canceled 407 00:24:45.200 --> 00:24:48.240 season this now, like I said, You're just you're asking so much of 408 00:24:48.279 --> 00:24:49.880 the fans. It's just it's just putting them in a hard position. I 409 00:24:49.960 --> 00:24:56.240 just don't know if the you know, the executives up in the Ivory towers, 410 00:24:56.279 --> 00:24:59.720 you know, living through this, and it would just kind of what 411 00:24:59.759 --> 00:25:02.920 you're asking these fans to do. I mean we've talked before Pat Raffino with 412 00:25:02.960 --> 00:25:06.319 San Ye know, there's Saint Louis people that are not buying season tickets and 413 00:25:06.359 --> 00:25:08.400 tell that there's a season two because they don't have any faith in that. 414 00:25:08.799 --> 00:25:11.279 The other thing I just wanted to get to before we get out of here, 415 00:25:11.440 --> 00:25:15.400 Like so Ben Fisher, I'm sitting there Friday, Ben tweets out Ben's 416 00:25:15.440 --> 00:25:19.400 been on the show Sports Business Reli's like, you know, merged XFL and 417 00:25:19.519 --> 00:25:23.599 USFL league to play on Fox and they're trying to sell teams. And I'm 418 00:25:23.640 --> 00:25:26.640 like, I email Bat and I'm like, Okay, what is the context 419 00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:30.079 of this? Like where? Because it was just really weird how we tweeted 420 00:25:30.079 --> 00:25:33.200 that. So I guess he was at some like symposium at the Columbia University 421 00:25:33.200 --> 00:25:37.960 Sports Management Conference. And Larry Jones, who'sday Fox Sports EVP and consultant to 422 00:25:37.960 --> 00:25:41.720 the network was with just Ben said it was literally ninety seconds of the thing, 423 00:25:41.799 --> 00:25:45.000 but they were going to play on Fox, which I said, you 424 00:25:45.039 --> 00:25:48.480 know, spoiler alert, like a TV or a merge league plans to play 425 00:25:48.480 --> 00:25:52.400 in the football network and then obviously still looking forward to selling the franchises in 426 00:25:52.440 --> 00:25:56.039 three to four years, which I have. I will give my thoughts in 427 00:25:56.039 --> 00:25:57.799 a minute. I'll last years on that. What do you make of that 428 00:25:57.880 --> 00:26:02.559 part of it that it's still would be this merge league's plan to sell franchises 429 00:26:02.640 --> 00:26:07.160 off. Let's say it's twenty twenty three. They start in twenty twenty two, 430 00:26:07.279 --> 00:26:11.160 so next year will be three years and they're still not in home markets. 431 00:26:11.240 --> 00:26:14.319 I don't. I just don't see how they can sell the franchises. 432 00:26:14.359 --> 00:26:18.160 I mean, they're still in the hub model. It's like, so are 433 00:26:18.200 --> 00:26:22.000 they adding three four more years now to that timeline and they're hoping to sell 434 00:26:22.039 --> 00:26:26.160 it. It's just like at some point it's just like I don't know, 435 00:26:26.200 --> 00:26:27.960 I'm just not buying it, Like I just I don't. I don't think 436 00:26:29.000 --> 00:26:33.039 they have the business model to get to that point. This is this is 437 00:26:33.160 --> 00:26:36.480 I mean, this is the conversation that has been talked about where I'm sure 438 00:26:36.519 --> 00:26:40.319 both leagues like to eventually get to the point where they're you know, having 439 00:26:40.440 --> 00:26:44.519 team owners that are running these teams and paying the money for it. But 440 00:26:45.279 --> 00:26:48.240 I mean, we're again, we're heading into season three. We have four 441 00:26:48.319 --> 00:26:52.799 hub cities with these eight teams in the USFL. It's just like you can't 442 00:26:52.880 --> 00:26:55.920 keep adding on to the timeline. It's either you're going to make the push 443 00:26:56.039 --> 00:26:57.079 to you know, get in the whole markets. You're going to make the 444 00:26:57.119 --> 00:27:00.720 push to you know, have people buy. The reason why nobody wants to 445 00:27:00.720 --> 00:27:06.400 buy these franchises, it's just that the ratings keep going down. There's there's 446 00:27:06.440 --> 00:27:10.200 not as much interest as I think people would like that this is the very 447 00:27:10.400 --> 00:27:14.400 niche market. Like, you know, there's a certain fan base I likes 448 00:27:14.440 --> 00:27:19.720 watching spring football, and I don't know if it has enough to really get 449 00:27:19.720 --> 00:27:22.319 people's interests to be like, oh, let's go buy a football team in 450 00:27:22.359 --> 00:27:26.720 the you know, USFL and hope we can make money off it, because 451 00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:30.599 they're going to lose so much money if their teams are not even in their 452 00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:33.920 home markets, or if they are in the home markets that you know, 453 00:27:34.279 --> 00:27:37.359 fans don't care about it in the cities because they haven't been playing those cities 454 00:27:37.359 --> 00:27:40.079 for all these years, and now all of a sudden they need to care 455 00:27:40.119 --> 00:27:42.720 about like New Horths Breakers. What if, you know, somebody buys the 456 00:27:42.720 --> 00:27:45.440 New R's Breakers three four years down the road and they're like, well, 457 00:27:45.519 --> 00:27:48.400 it's been like five six years, we haven't had them in our city. 458 00:27:48.440 --> 00:27:52.160 Why would I care? Like, that's why you want to put them in 459 00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:56.000 the whole market so they can. I don't. I don't. I just 460 00:27:56.000 --> 00:27:59.720 don't see it happening. I don't think they're gonna sell franchise because I just 461 00:27:59.720 --> 00:28:02.920 don't think, you know, people, I don't think you know, millionaires 462 00:28:02.920 --> 00:28:07.000 and billionaires want to spend the money on a football league where they're guaranteed to 463 00:28:07.079 --> 00:28:10.960 lose money. They're they're not going to make profit off of these teams. 464 00:28:11.559 --> 00:28:14.759 It's hard for me unless you have a team in the market for five years, 465 00:28:14.799 --> 00:28:18.079 ten years, and you're showing continual growth and kind of revenue model that 466 00:28:18.119 --> 00:28:21.359 way. To me, it's like here you go, spend the money, 467 00:28:21.400 --> 00:28:23.400 and you know, we cover the CFL. There's nine teams in the CFL. 468 00:28:23.559 --> 00:28:27.160 The CFL collectively loses money every single year and has for you know, 469 00:28:27.200 --> 00:28:30.960 for its entire lifespan. You know, some of the community owned teams make 470 00:28:32.000 --> 00:28:34.480 money and they can profit and then there's lean years, but collectively and then 471 00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:37.920 that came out during the COVID when they were trying to get funding from the 472 00:28:37.960 --> 00:28:41.680 Canadian government and they said no, like, you know, I think it 473 00:28:41.720 --> 00:28:44.839 was eight to ten million dollars a year collectively of the CFL. You know, 474 00:28:45.119 --> 00:28:48.400 when you balance it all out, and it's and this is a league 475 00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:52.039 that this is the national league you know of candidate like, you're asking so 476 00:28:52.200 --> 00:28:56.359 much of this and this feels like another step of Redbird reaching out to Fox, 477 00:28:56.440 --> 00:28:59.960 like here you take this, and now it's well in three or four 478 00:29:00.000 --> 00:29:02.920 where is like here you take this. At some point someone's got to take 479 00:29:02.960 --> 00:29:06.720 ownership of this and and and really you know, dive in invest the money. 480 00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:08.480 Fox, like you said, doesn't seem willing to do it. You 481 00:29:10.119 --> 00:29:12.079 XFL has not, you know, at least when you're in does not seem 482 00:29:12.079 --> 00:29:15.440 willing to do it. And there's no way to do this on the cheap 483 00:29:15.480 --> 00:29:21.440 unless you're Brian Woods having players pay doing a hub model TV only. There's 484 00:29:21.480 --> 00:29:23.799 no way to do this in home markets without losing considerable about the money. 485 00:29:23.839 --> 00:29:29.400 And it doesn't seem like anybody gets that. There's only two ways that selling 486 00:29:29.400 --> 00:29:32.720 franchises can work. One, you get tailor ship to come to your games, 487 00:29:32.839 --> 00:29:36.400 which I don't think the USFL XFL is going to do so. Two, 488 00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:38.000 you got to get the NFL involved. I mean, at the end 489 00:29:38.039 --> 00:29:41.119 of the day, the only way this thing works is if you get the 490 00:29:41.240 --> 00:29:45.359 NFL to buy into having a spring league. They put money into it, 491 00:29:45.880 --> 00:29:49.599 and then and then you'll get interests from people wanted to buy franchise. I 492 00:29:49.599 --> 00:29:53.039 mean, look at the w NBA. That league. As much as I 493 00:29:53.039 --> 00:29:56.559 love the WNBA, they lose millions of dollars a year and the only way 494 00:29:56.599 --> 00:30:00.759 it survives is that the NBA has been fronting money for them for years to 495 00:30:00.920 --> 00:30:06.200 keep their franchises and keep the league afloat. That's the only way this is 496 00:30:06.200 --> 00:30:08.200 going to work too. That's the only reason why the NFL Europlats is so 497 00:30:08.279 --> 00:30:11.119 long. The NFL had to keep it afloat, but they were losing millions 498 00:30:11.480 --> 00:30:14.680 off of it, and that's why they got rid of it. So it's 499 00:30:14.720 --> 00:30:17.160 gonna be you. You. You have to make a pitch to the NFL. 500 00:30:17.400 --> 00:30:18.960 It's not selling franchises, is you have to sell the league to the 501 00:30:19.119 --> 00:30:22.880 NFL and make them think, yes, we need a spring league, we 502 00:30:22.920 --> 00:30:26.640 need a developmental league for these players, because that's the only way this is 503 00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:30.880 going to work. They cannot survive on their own without the NFL getting involved, 504 00:30:32.359 --> 00:30:37.079 dropping their money to help this league survive. Otherwise, all these springers 505 00:30:37.119 --> 00:30:40.359 are going to keep dying. Somebody had, you know, some league has 506 00:30:40.359 --> 00:30:41.960 got to step up and you know, make a deal with the NFL. 507 00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:45.279 But is the NFL willing to lose millions of dollars a year? I don't 508 00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:48.119 know if they are. They made it clear if do they cut NFL Europe 509 00:30:48.160 --> 00:30:52.039 that they were not willing to lose that much money each year. Are they 510 00:30:52.039 --> 00:30:53.839 willing to do it again? I don't know. I mean they've been getting, 511 00:30:53.960 --> 00:30:59.119 you know, glowing endorsements from Dan Campbell and Bill Belichick, which could 512 00:30:59.200 --> 00:31:02.119 help. At the end of the day, you know, the NFL is 513 00:31:02.119 --> 00:31:04.480 all about making money. That's all they care about. And if they see 514 00:31:04.519 --> 00:31:07.640 that, you know, the USFL and the XFL, or you know, 515 00:31:07.640 --> 00:31:10.160 if they could buy in the NSFL whatever the hell is going to be, 516 00:31:10.400 --> 00:31:12.160 if they see it that it could you know, it could help them, 517 00:31:12.200 --> 00:31:15.079 then they'll do it. But I don't know. I think the only way 518 00:31:15.119 --> 00:31:19.119 this works is if the NFL is involved. Last point for me here, 519 00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:22.319 well we'll get out of here and I'll give you if you have any other 520 00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:25.559 thoughts on this, like just if I have not made it, I just 521 00:31:25.559 --> 00:31:26.839 want to make sure I make it as credibly clear as I can here. 522 00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:33.279 Like I see the XFL their tweet now like crossfro puzzle stuff today doing it's 523 00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:36.920 great. I mean, do do social work, that's awesome. You know, 524 00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:42.720 we're selling these suits whatever. I cannot imagine a world where I would 525 00:31:42.799 --> 00:31:47.519 ever recommend any XFL USFL fan to put down money right now on any of 526 00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:49.440 this because to me, like you, and I don't mean to be like 527 00:31:49.480 --> 00:31:53.759 blunt about it, but like you've you've lot when you when it's the chicken 528 00:31:53.839 --> 00:31:57.400 match whatever, and you blink and like to me, it's like they blinked, 529 00:31:59.119 --> 00:32:00.960 And now I don't. I don't have faith in this anymore, you 530 00:32:01.000 --> 00:32:05.559 know, until until I see a long term plan or an agreement of like 531 00:32:05.599 --> 00:32:08.039 this is what's happening or this didn't work out, but we're still committed. 532 00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:13.400 And even at that point, it's where it's like it's so hard to build 533 00:32:13.480 --> 00:32:15.720 up the trust for you know, anything in the world, but especially something 534 00:32:15.799 --> 00:32:19.720 like this. And I feel like if you're in a relationship with someone and 535 00:32:19.720 --> 00:32:22.559 they like, you know, they maybe they didn't cheat on you, but 536 00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:24.720 they're like, well I was, you know, I was thinking about it 537 00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:28.720 or I was texting, and you're like, you know, once you kind 538 00:32:28.720 --> 00:32:31.039 of devolved that trust, it's very hard to build that back. And I 539 00:32:31.119 --> 00:32:35.960 just I don't know anyone in the world that's buying Ballahawk Suites right now, 540 00:32:36.039 --> 00:32:38.400 or Renegade Suites or the Seattle I got the email of the Seattle Suites like 541 00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:43.279 to you, to me, you've you've soured this and at least for the 542 00:32:43.359 --> 00:32:45.640 XFL. And I don't speak for the USFL fans, but I say, 543 00:32:45.680 --> 00:32:49.799 as a season ticket holder for the XFL that's bought four tickets front row at 544 00:32:49.839 --> 00:32:53.160 fifty yard line, like, trust is very devolved in this dissolved at this 545 00:32:53.200 --> 00:32:57.720 point. Yeah, I agree. Look the the they opened up the can 546 00:32:57.759 --> 00:33:00.200 of worms, so at this point you can't put those worms back in the 547 00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:04.720 cans. So it's either you go all in on this merger or you know, 548 00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:07.920 this thing is pretty much gonna be over. Like I even wonder like 549 00:33:07.839 --> 00:33:10.799 Are they even gonna play a season next year? Like, are they even 550 00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:14.200 gonna legitimately do it? Even if they do a merger and they wait till 551 00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:17.160 twenty twenty five, do they even play this year? Like that? To 552 00:33:17.680 --> 00:33:22.279 me, it's just now we're at a point where you either got to merge 553 00:33:22.279 --> 00:33:25.079 so quickly and just get it over with and get it done, or maybe 554 00:33:25.119 --> 00:33:28.880 you need to hold off for one more year. Maybe you need to make 555 00:33:28.920 --> 00:33:30.680 sure you get this merger right. Maybe you need to find a way can 556 00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:35.720 we save sixteen teams and make sure nobody loses their jobs. It's just there's 557 00:33:35.720 --> 00:33:38.240 so many elements to this, and I mean, at the end of the 558 00:33:38.319 --> 00:33:43.519 day, we've talked about it, like they have to merge at this point, 559 00:33:43.680 --> 00:33:45.880 it's too late now, Like you said, the trust would be broken 560 00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:49.559 if they don't merge, and they're like, oh yeah, we're just gonna 561 00:33:49.640 --> 00:33:52.839 keep playing because everyone knows that. It means like, okay, well they're 562 00:33:52.839 --> 00:33:54.240 gonna die. They're gonna you know, they're gonna die a slow, painful 563 00:33:54.279 --> 00:33:58.400 death. And why am I gonna be involved in this league if I know 564 00:33:58.519 --> 00:34:00.039 it's not gonna survive after next year, Because that's what it really is. 565 00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:05.759 Like especially for the XFL. I if this merger doesn't happen after next year, 566 00:34:05.799 --> 00:34:08.480 they're done, and the USFL may maybe have one or two more years 567 00:34:08.519 --> 00:34:12.599 and then they're done. Yeah, like I said, even if you didn't 568 00:34:13.039 --> 00:34:15.519 you physically and I'm not saying like cheating is and like there are the fellow 569 00:34:15.559 --> 00:34:19.320 you except like you know the second that you were like, I'm out of 570 00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:22.679 this relationship. I just don't think with the fans and you can ask them 571 00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:24.480 to go back in. And like you said, if this doesn't go, 572 00:34:24.760 --> 00:34:28.480 and even if it does, if it doesn't look in the form, you 573 00:34:28.480 --> 00:34:30.800 know that. I think a lot of people want We've already had comments, 574 00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:32.519 and I think Anthony, I appreciate it, Like I said, kind of 575 00:34:32.599 --> 00:34:36.559 keeping in eye. I haven't gotten an updated about the Broncos game, so 576 00:34:36.559 --> 00:34:38.400 I don't know if they've scored yet. Crack and still holding the predator zero 577 00:34:38.519 --> 00:34:43.159 zero here, So go get to your stars. I appreciate it. Anything 578 00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:45.280 else from you, No, I'm good. I appreciate the time read. 579 00:34:45.320 --> 00:34:49.199 And I would just say, let's see how many times try Swifts have been 580 00:34:49.239 --> 00:34:52.519 on camera this It's probably more than the score is. So yeah, al 581 00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:53.760 Michaels was like, I'm not talking about that, So we'll see. I 582 00:34:53.840 --> 00:34:58.280 know Al Amazon pays your paychecks, so we'll see what Al does here. 583 00:34:58.719 --> 00:35:06.760 Yeah, he's definite gonna talk about well back here today. We were a 584 00:35:06.760 --> 00:35:09.599 few hundred feet from each other on Friday at BC Place here and now we 585 00:35:09.639 --> 00:35:15.800 have far hunt here live. What about those Vancouver Canucks man really just coming 586 00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:21.800 out of the gate all our Cylinderspyron. Yeah, they played great and certainly 587 00:35:21.800 --> 00:35:24.519 nobody expected them to do that to a team that good, you know, 588 00:35:24.559 --> 00:35:28.400 and maybe Edmonton kind of took it for granted because they've had their way with 589 00:35:28.480 --> 00:35:32.400 Vancouver over the years and so much anticipation, right like having been around the 590 00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:37.960 Canucks a decade ago when they had goals and meaningful aspirations here of getting to 591 00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:42.440 a Cup final. You know, you could see that there were moments early 592 00:35:42.639 --> 00:35:45.000 that sometimes you just don't have it when you're looking that far ahead. And 593 00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:47.679 maybe the Owlers didn't have it last night, But you got to give the 594 00:35:47.679 --> 00:35:51.760 Canucks credit. You know. There was a lot of questions going into the 595 00:35:51.760 --> 00:35:53.400 game and a lot of storylines, and you know, for brock Besher with 596 00:35:53.880 --> 00:35:58.239 what he's been through with the illness and eventual passing of his father over the 597 00:35:58.320 --> 00:36:01.000 last couple of years. Like coolest him get four goals and you know, 598 00:36:01.159 --> 00:36:05.360 just for one day, they were on top of the hockey world. We'll 599 00:36:05.360 --> 00:36:07.599 see what it looks like. They played Winton again on Saturday, and you 600 00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:09.719 know, I still think this is a bubble team, but at least that 601 00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:14.519 gave them an indication of what they could be if they play the game the 602 00:36:14.599 --> 00:36:16.239 right way. Yeah, well then they will. You know. I was 603 00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:20.079 I was like, I said, kind of Badard, you know, score 604 00:36:20.159 --> 00:36:22.480 the goal. We know he's not a bus So that'll be it for the 605 00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:27.800 hockey talk around the podcast, I was perf Rod Show talking cracking. Yeah, 606 00:36:27.800 --> 00:36:30.519 it was crazy. I'm like, now I'm the cracking guy. Anyway, 607 00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:34.199 we're here talking CFL week nineteen. I want to get your thoughts on 608 00:36:34.239 --> 00:36:37.880 the Edmonton situation and all of that as well. But to me, the 609 00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:42.079 obviously you were in the professional sense, I was in the fans since Friday, 610 00:36:42.079 --> 00:36:45.719 but heartbreaking, heartbreaking loss for the Lions. Like what did you read 611 00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:47.840 of that? Because to me, that was the season kind of finale for 612 00:36:47.920 --> 00:36:51.960 me. Yeah, it was tough, right, I mean that's a loss 613 00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:54.159 They're going to look back on and regret. I don't know that there's a 614 00:36:54.199 --> 00:36:59.079 path to victory for BC in Winnipeg in the Western Final, you know, 615 00:36:59.079 --> 00:37:00.440 and I got a lot of respect for that team, But that team's built 616 00:37:00.440 --> 00:37:04.639 a certain way, and Winnipeg has built a certain way, And if the 617 00:37:04.679 --> 00:37:07.719 conditions are what they typically are in mid November in Winnipeg, I think the 618 00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:13.239 Winnipeg team is built for those conditions right now, you know, you know 619 00:37:13.320 --> 00:37:15.519 me, like I know enough people around the league, people think, oh, 620 00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:19.880 you live in Vancouver, you're a Lions hover I'm not. But I 621 00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:24.039 certainly was hoping they would win that game for the only reason that it would 622 00:37:24.079 --> 00:37:27.880 have made for a better West Final. Like I think the Western Final, 623 00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:30.280 NBC would have been a pick them. I don't think the lines would have 624 00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:31.920 been favored. I think it just would have been a fifty to fifty. 625 00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:35.639 Either team could win, both teams could put their best foot forward, and 626 00:37:35.679 --> 00:37:37.679 it would have been a lot of fun to watch. I think now it's 627 00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:42.800 likely to be a much more one sided, less entertaining game if you're if 628 00:37:42.800 --> 00:37:45.960 you're a neutral observer right as opposed to a Winnipeg fan, So you know, 629 00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:49.760 I think I think that's disappointing for them, and BC had it right, 630 00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:51.800 like, they had the lead and there were people are going to focus 631 00:37:51.840 --> 00:37:53.039 on dominic rhymes and what happened at the end of the game, but there 632 00:37:53.039 --> 00:37:58.320 were so many moments during that game, you know, beginning with the kickoff 633 00:37:58.320 --> 00:38:00.880 out of bounds after BC took it to score lead that just kind of gave 634 00:38:00.920 --> 00:38:05.039 Winnipeg some life to get right back into it, you know, and then 635 00:38:05.119 --> 00:38:07.400 so many others. I thought they got a little out coached in the second 636 00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:09.599 after a lot of things that I think they're going to regret or wish they 637 00:38:09.639 --> 00:38:14.960 had back in terms of yeah, I because we've talked about this, like, 638 00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:16.599 yeah, I don't think the Lions would be favored at all at home, 639 00:38:16.639 --> 00:38:20.480 but it's at least an even playing field where you go in and the 640 00:38:20.559 --> 00:38:22.639 conditions is so much. I went back obviously we were there, and then 641 00:38:22.679 --> 00:38:25.679 I went back and listened to your call, you know, at the end 642 00:38:25.719 --> 00:38:30.559 of the game and rhyme's and all that, like how is that just a 643 00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:34.320 brain fart? Like how did you read that? And he kept looking back 644 00:38:34.360 --> 00:38:37.239 and trying to like how did you kind of process that whole situation? Yeah, 645 00:38:37.480 --> 00:38:40.199 like, look, these things happened fast, and Rick Campbell said after 646 00:38:40.239 --> 00:38:45.000 the game that he did call the receivers in to explain the situation. Rhymes 647 00:38:45.079 --> 00:38:47.760 was not in that conversation. The other receivers were, but Rhymes himself said 648 00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:51.320 after the game that, yeah, the receivers did talk to me about it, 649 00:38:51.360 --> 00:38:53.320 and I knew the situation and I made a mistake. And for him, 650 00:38:53.360 --> 00:38:55.840 he just saw the end zone. Right, There's no guarantee of a 651 00:38:55.840 --> 00:38:59.239 field goal. As good as Sean White is, you might not be one 652 00:38:59.320 --> 00:39:00.880 hundred percent sure of where you are in the field or how much time is 653 00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:05.039 left, and you see the end zone, you might want to just take 654 00:39:05.079 --> 00:39:07.400 it. And certainly you know when he broke the second tackle, I think 655 00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:10.199 it was from Evan Home. He was at about or sorry home was the 656 00:39:10.199 --> 00:39:13.159 first one. I forget who the second one was. It might have been 657 00:39:13.199 --> 00:39:16.159 Cramedy. And then I think it was around the thirty two yard line and 658 00:39:16.199 --> 00:39:19.840 it was a couple seconds left in the clock. So if he gives himself 659 00:39:19.880 --> 00:39:22.679 up and goes down, it's a very makeable field goal for Sean White. 660 00:39:22.719 --> 00:39:25.400 But you know, it's hard to process that in real time. Right, 661 00:39:25.440 --> 00:39:29.519 It looks so easy from afar and if he had caught it and gone down 662 00:39:29.599 --> 00:39:32.320 right away, maybe he's too far away, right, So there were just 663 00:39:32.360 --> 00:39:35.760 so many moments in that game, and you and I both know how football 664 00:39:35.760 --> 00:39:39.639 works that we get so focused on two things, the last plays and the 665 00:39:39.719 --> 00:39:43.360 quarterback play, right, Like, those are the two things that everybody wants 666 00:39:43.400 --> 00:39:45.639 to focus on, But there are so many more other things that the Lions 667 00:39:45.679 --> 00:39:47.599 could lament. I mean, you just to look at the spot, right. 668 00:39:47.639 --> 00:39:52.760 I certainly thought not so much in the moment, but after the fact 669 00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:54.760 when I looked at more replays that Vernon Adams did have the first down and 670 00:39:54.920 --> 00:39:58.320 it was a bad spot, right, Like, there were so many things 671 00:39:58.920 --> 00:40:00.880 along the way that be she can look back on. But you know what 672 00:40:01.119 --> 00:40:05.079 convert on third down? Like why you can't convert on third and one? 673 00:40:05.280 --> 00:40:07.280 We're not talking about rhymes. We're not talking about a bad spot, you 674 00:40:07.320 --> 00:40:13.159 know. So give Winnipeg credit. They rallied, They showed what champions do, 675 00:40:13.239 --> 00:40:15.679 right, like, they just kept fighting. Yeah, I don't, 676 00:40:15.679 --> 00:40:20.719 And I had tweeted that out with following the Packers game Monday where they had 677 00:40:20.559 --> 00:40:22.760 the spot against the Raiders, and like, I just I don't understand how 678 00:40:22.760 --> 00:40:27.239 the CFL call center. Isn't isn't there that? And I understand that we 679 00:40:27.239 --> 00:40:30.559 had used the challenges earlier in the game and all that the command center could 680 00:40:30.559 --> 00:40:32.360 have gotten involved there. They could have, and I haven't heard back yet 681 00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:37.119 on whether they did, but it happened so fast it doesn't sound like they 682 00:40:37.119 --> 00:40:44.039 did. Yeah, in terms of I don't know, just reflections for that, 683 00:40:44.119 --> 00:40:46.440 I mean, because how do you view I guess and I don't want 684 00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:50.400 to write the obituary too early, but how do you view kind of the 685 00:40:50.599 --> 00:40:54.159 the BC Lions this season? I was talking with people in the stand and 686 00:40:54.239 --> 00:40:57.559 I think that BC had done a good job, you know, Matt and 687 00:40:57.599 --> 00:41:00.800 never went with the team of this is a really important game, right. 688 00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:02.159 We were talking with people even after the game, like, oh, so 689 00:41:02.239 --> 00:41:05.519 are they out? I'm like, well, no, that wasn't a playoff 690 00:41:05.559 --> 00:41:07.840 game, but it was kind of felt that way, like is BC's window 691 00:41:08.239 --> 00:41:12.719 are we going in the next year in terms of this championship caliber team? 692 00:41:12.800 --> 00:41:15.519 Like how do you view them kind of in the spot now? Yeah, 693 00:41:15.760 --> 00:41:19.079 I don't think they're going anywhere, right, you know, Vernon Adams is 694 00:41:19.079 --> 00:41:21.119 going to be there. I think Vernon Adams is a quarterback. Took a 695 00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:22.840 really good step in this season and is going to continue to take a step. 696 00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:25.760 Like I'm not willing to write this off yet for the league, right, 697 00:41:25.760 --> 00:41:29.480 I mean, I'm not gonna, you know, come on any shows 698 00:41:29.519 --> 00:41:30.880 and say, oh, don't watch the West Final, right like that. 699 00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:35.239 That's not how I view it, right, because this is football and the 700 00:41:35.280 --> 00:41:37.400 Lions are still a good football team, so there's still a lot of growth 701 00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:39.079 to happen. But you know, there was a lot of angst in the 702 00:41:39.079 --> 00:41:44.079 marketplace about what's this season going to look like for the Lions without Nathan Rourke, 703 00:41:44.559 --> 00:41:47.159 right, And whether you believed or didn't believe in Vernon, you probably 704 00:41:47.159 --> 00:41:51.280 thought, oh, this team can't really contend without Nathan. Well guess what 705 00:41:51.320 --> 00:41:53.440 they did, and they are. They're contending and Vernon's had a great year. 706 00:41:53.480 --> 00:41:58.320 And really, for me, that game, you know, kind of 707 00:41:58.320 --> 00:42:00.840 determined my mop, right, Like Vernon was right in there trading punches with 708 00:42:00.920 --> 00:42:05.800 Zach Kilarios and Brady Oliver was right there. So you know, Vernon's not 709 00:42:05.840 --> 00:42:08.199 going anywhere. He's not old that you know, the core of that receiving 710 00:42:08.239 --> 00:42:10.440 core is going to be back. I don't know about Lucky Whitehead, but 711 00:42:10.639 --> 00:42:13.960 I think the rest of them are all going to be back and part of 712 00:42:13.960 --> 00:42:15.639 the mix on what's going on. And it was a really good group. 713 00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:20.000 And then you know, defensively, most of the pieces are there, so 714 00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:22.440 they're still going to have to add. But it's not like, you know, 715 00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:24.679 you look at Winnipeg and you think they're getting older. Like their core, 716 00:42:25.079 --> 00:42:30.760 whether they want to admit it or not, their core is appreciably getting 717 00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:34.480 older, right, whether you're jeff co Jefferson, Big Hill, you know 718 00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:37.519 what, Like, they're all getting older. And so the Lions aren't in 719 00:42:37.519 --> 00:42:39.840 that window now. They need to do a few things to I think, 720 00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:45.800 get a little bit more physically stout in certain areas so that they can win 721 00:42:45.960 --> 00:42:50.400 games different ways. Right, So whether they're one O lineman short or one 722 00:42:50.480 --> 00:42:53.679 D lineman short, you know, whatever that looks like, or more physical 723 00:42:53.760 --> 00:42:59.880 back, you know, and stylistically right like whatever that looks like. They're 724 00:42:59.880 --> 00:43:02.480 not far away and they can still get through this year. But I don't 725 00:43:02.480 --> 00:43:07.079 think BC's going anywhere. I think they did take a step forward because I 726 00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:09.719 think if you'd have told me that they'd be in this spot with Vernon as 727 00:43:09.760 --> 00:43:13.760 their quarterback and have him play that well, I think you feel pretty good 728 00:43:13.760 --> 00:43:16.440 about the situation. Yeah, nothing about it. I wouldn't and I would 729 00:43:16.480 --> 00:43:20.159 not have said that going into the year, and I was very nervous, 730 00:43:20.159 --> 00:43:22.920 and I love Vernon and the local guy and kind of all that stuff. 731 00:43:22.239 --> 00:43:24.920 In terms of the stept for that one year at the University of Oregon, 732 00:43:25.159 --> 00:43:29.519 that's the only part of Vernon I don't like. Everything else about Vernon's story 733 00:43:29.639 --> 00:43:34.400 is good, except for the one year at Oregon. Yeah, that's good. 734 00:43:34.440 --> 00:43:37.719 The Edmonton thing came out yesterday and you know, they're shutting down the 735 00:43:37.960 --> 00:43:39.480 upper stands like a big deal. No big deal. How do you read 736 00:43:39.519 --> 00:43:43.599 that? No big deal? You know. I think they've kept them open 737 00:43:43.760 --> 00:43:49.000 as long as they have because I think they philosophically feel we're the Edmonton football 738 00:43:49.000 --> 00:43:52.000 team or you know, and then we have the best attendance in the league 739 00:43:52.039 --> 00:43:54.840 and we're not gonna do anything artificial to take away from that attendance because we're 740 00:43:54.920 --> 00:43:59.360 Edmonton. But it's been a couple of tough seasons. I'm sure they'll open 741 00:43:59.400 --> 00:44:00.559 it up from time the time, like they're doing out here in BC, 742 00:44:01.159 --> 00:44:05.480 and they need to create some demand based on you know, how they market 743 00:44:05.719 --> 00:44:10.519 and position their inventory, but also obviously in terms of what happens on the 744 00:44:10.519 --> 00:44:14.360 field, they've got to get better. But you know, I think Rick 745 00:44:14.400 --> 00:44:17.559 Lolasher is doing a good job there in terms of regaining the footing in the 746 00:44:17.599 --> 00:44:21.480 marketplace. They're going to wind up hiring a new president. They've got some 747 00:44:21.519 --> 00:44:25.039 decisions to make at head coach and GM, but you know, not really 748 00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:29.360 a big deal. I don't think it's going to affect how that organization is 749 00:44:29.639 --> 00:44:32.519 perceived in the marketplace because I do believe that the last month of this season 750 00:44:32.519 --> 00:44:36.920 has shown the fans and Edmonton are still there and they'll come back. Yeah, 751 00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:38.800 how do you in terms of moving forward here? You know, obviously 752 00:44:38.880 --> 00:44:42.320 we have the Victor queed stuff and everything this year, Like how are we 753 00:44:42.440 --> 00:44:46.599 viewing the Edmonton's health or you know, kind of foothold there and what I 754 00:44:46.599 --> 00:44:49.800 mean, what do they I don't know, because, like you said, 755 00:44:49.800 --> 00:44:52.079 that trade Ford things kind of working out that they haven't fallen off the cliff 756 00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:55.920 that I think people thought it was going to this year. Yeah, I 757 00:44:57.000 --> 00:44:59.159 mean, you know, the trade Ford thing is giving the fans a lot 758 00:44:59.199 --> 00:45:01.000 of hope, right, and I think the organization is going to have to 759 00:45:01.039 --> 00:45:07.440 decide what's the best way to take advantage of that right. And so if 760 00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:13.639 you believe that trey Ford's the guy, then are you better off getting different 761 00:45:13.639 --> 00:45:16.559 coaches or trying to keep some stability in the building so he's not having to 762 00:45:16.639 --> 00:45:20.239 learn a different system and everything like that. So I don't know what the 763 00:45:20.280 --> 00:45:25.800 right answer is there. I think it could go either way, but I 764 00:45:25.840 --> 00:45:30.840 don't think it would take a ton to get the fans back. This isn't 765 00:45:30.880 --> 00:45:34.760 like Toronto where they've lost, you know, a generation or more of fans 766 00:45:34.760 --> 00:45:37.800 and you've really got to try to re explain the language in the league and 767 00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:39.440 everything like that. Those fans are there, and we saw them, like 768 00:45:39.440 --> 00:45:43.320 I said, later in the season, come back in bigger numbers when they 769 00:45:43.360 --> 00:45:46.360 had a reason to come back because they were being entertained. So you know, 770 00:45:46.440 --> 00:45:50.400 that team's got to get better. They've still got some defensive fixes they 771 00:45:50.440 --> 00:45:52.440 need to make, some offensive line fixes they need to make. You know, 772 00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:55.639 I don't know whether financially what they're currently doing is the right thing at 773 00:45:55.639 --> 00:45:59.679 the receiver position if you want to improve the other areas of your team. 774 00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:02.519 So they've still got some fixes, but at least tray Ford's given them hope 775 00:46:02.960 --> 00:46:07.199 and they've got a best decide how to capitalize on that hope. But I 776 00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:12.280 don't think it's going to take much. I think there are other markets where 777 00:46:12.320 --> 00:46:15.880 you're more concerned about getting it fixed, including the one two and a half 778 00:46:15.920 --> 00:46:17.239 hours to the south, right, because you know, when you look at 779 00:46:17.239 --> 00:46:22.400 the apathy and attendance in Calgary, it's not good. And Edmonton's a better 780 00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:25.440 sports town than Calgary. Calgary might be a more cool place to live if 781 00:46:25.480 --> 00:46:29.840 you were given a choice, but in terms of a sports town, Edmonton 782 00:46:29.920 --> 00:46:32.400 is better. Yeh. In terms Well, so I want to talk to 783 00:46:32.440 --> 00:46:37.800 Skatchwan here, but I mean, do you think Calgary there's issues here coming 784 00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:40.639 in because you know, Mayor hasn't progressed the way they wanted and attendance down. 785 00:46:40.679 --> 00:46:43.920 I mean, they're still in it, but it's it's such a weird 786 00:46:43.960 --> 00:46:47.400 playoff situation right now. Yeah, you know, Calgary, I think they 787 00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:51.719 need to do more as an organization. You know, similar problems, not 788 00:46:51.840 --> 00:46:54.480 as grave, but similar problems to what's going on in Toronto right where you 789 00:46:54.480 --> 00:46:59.599 know, the organization needs to do more because certainly in Toronto, from a 790 00:46:59.639 --> 00:47:01.760 football standpoint, they're doing everything possible. That's a really fun football team to 791 00:47:01.760 --> 00:47:05.480 watch. They're good, you know, they'll probably be great Cup favorites. 792 00:47:05.519 --> 00:47:07.480 And then in Calgary, they're taking a step back. Now. The Calgary 793 00:47:07.519 --> 00:47:10.840 model and their philosophy has always been we're not going to overpay for guys and 794 00:47:10.840 --> 00:47:13.960 if we lose some free agents. We lose some free agents, we don't 795 00:47:14.000 --> 00:47:16.639 care. We're just going to continue to develop. But they're not identifying and 796 00:47:16.679 --> 00:47:22.000 development and it is harder for every team. You know, the spring leagues 797 00:47:22.039 --> 00:47:25.519 make it hard for the CFL. There's simply no doubt whether you think the 798 00:47:25.559 --> 00:47:30.159 CFL game is better, the spring league game is better. The reality is 799 00:47:30.880 --> 00:47:36.880 agents will tell their players stay here and it's the same game, and you're 800 00:47:36.880 --> 00:47:38.320 going to get us television and to get a few more eyeballs, and that 801 00:47:38.400 --> 00:47:42.760 hurts the CFL the fact that we're losing some spring football and I know you 802 00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:45.559 don't like that, but you know there'll be a few teams gone and that'll 803 00:47:45.559 --> 00:47:50.280 make a few more players available. But how that relates to Calgary is most 804 00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:53.880 teams have adapted to a point it's hard for all of them, but Calgary 805 00:47:53.960 --> 00:48:00.119 is behind in terms of adaptation. So they got to figure out if and 806 00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:05.119 if you're not going to identify and develop as well, then you better keep 807 00:48:05.119 --> 00:48:07.719 your guys and you better decide we're gonna pay to keep our guys and not 808 00:48:07.840 --> 00:48:13.599 lose selected guys like they did last year. Right, So they've got to 809 00:48:13.639 --> 00:48:15.159 evolve. Like I don't think anyone's in trouble there. I don't think Dave 810 00:48:15.239 --> 00:48:19.719 Dickinson's going anywhere. And why would you get rid of Jake Mayer? And 811 00:48:19.760 --> 00:48:22.679 I say that because who are you going to get? Who are you going 812 00:48:22.719 --> 00:48:25.440 to get? Nathan's not coming back, who are you going to get? 813 00:48:25.800 --> 00:48:30.000 So if it was me, I would stick with Jake, build a roster 814 00:48:30.079 --> 00:48:32.599 out a little bit more, and try to just get this season over with 815 00:48:32.679 --> 00:48:36.480 because this is not good over there. I think half that team wants it 816 00:48:36.519 --> 00:48:42.719 over with and and just reset and and charge. In terms of the game, 817 00:48:42.719 --> 00:48:45.719 here Saskatchewan coming in and they they win, right. I was just 818 00:48:45.760 --> 00:48:50.360 looking at my playoff scenarios and they're in. I'm reading, like, you 819 00:48:50.360 --> 00:48:53.280 know, siscots Wan terrible year. They're raising season ticket prices, people are 820 00:48:53.360 --> 00:48:57.599 unhappy, Like you know, there's the whole thing last year with Saskatchwan, 821 00:48:57.679 --> 00:48:59.920 like hey, they're gonna host and they don't even make the playoffs, and 822 00:49:00.079 --> 00:49:04.199 how are you viewing that because it's kind of too troubled franchises you're facing off. 823 00:49:04.880 --> 00:49:08.199 Yeah, I think Saskatchewan is in a position where they're setting themselves up 824 00:49:08.280 --> 00:49:10.719 for change. And I think they did a year ago two right, Like, 825 00:49:12.079 --> 00:49:16.159 you know, they made a conscious choice to not eliminate their coaches and 826 00:49:16.199 --> 00:49:20.440 general manager at that point because they had one year left on their deal. 827 00:49:20.480 --> 00:49:23.440 They didn't want to have to carry those contracts over into this year. So 828 00:49:24.440 --> 00:49:30.519 but they didn't extend anybody. So now I think, and this is me 829 00:49:30.599 --> 00:49:35.360 speculating, like I think a lot would have to happen unexpected in terms of 830 00:49:35.440 --> 00:49:37.760 a deep playoff run, maybe getting to a Great Cup, in order for 831 00:49:37.800 --> 00:49:43.440 the team to bring back Craig Dickinson as head coach. I'm not advocating for 832 00:49:43.480 --> 00:49:45.480 that, I want to be clear, but I just you know, reading 833 00:49:45.519 --> 00:49:51.320 the tea leaves and the contractual situations around it, you know a lot would 834 00:49:51.360 --> 00:49:53.079 have to happen for them to want to come back. Because the franchise, 835 00:49:53.360 --> 00:49:58.480 the marketplace is hot, the marketplace wants change. Will that change extend to 836 00:49:58.519 --> 00:50:01.559 Jeremy o Day because he's in the same situation contract wise, He's up at 837 00:50:01.599 --> 00:50:06.519 the end of the year, and again I'm not advocating for Odey's dismissal. 838 00:50:06.760 --> 00:50:12.639 However, you know, not a lot of high end people wanted to apply 839 00:50:13.199 --> 00:50:15.440 for the offensive coordinator job this year. I think Kelly Jeffrey's a good OC, 840 00:50:15.920 --> 00:50:21.079 but others specifically chose not to because those guys had one year left on 841 00:50:21.159 --> 00:50:23.760 their deals above them, so it's not stable. So if you Jeremy O'Day, 842 00:50:24.960 --> 00:50:28.760 can the club of can the club make the decision to extend him for 843 00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:32.119 three years? Because if you just roll his contract over for one year, 844 00:50:32.559 --> 00:50:35.920 who are you going to get to apply to be the head coach? Right? 845 00:50:35.960 --> 00:50:37.559 Like, there are some people that will do it just because, but 846 00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:44.639 ultimately it will affect your talent pool of head coach applicants. If you know, 847 00:50:44.760 --> 00:50:47.840 the guy above you that's doing the hiring only has one year and that 848 00:50:47.880 --> 00:50:52.800 creates uncertainty, right, So you know, will it extend just because of 849 00:50:52.800 --> 00:50:55.239 the contractual situations? You know it could, but there's going to be changed 850 00:50:55.280 --> 00:51:00.440 there because I don't see a scenario where they're going to pull off a playoff 851 00:51:00.480 --> 00:51:04.840 upset, you know, or get to a Great Cup. So you know, 852 00:51:05.159 --> 00:51:07.400 I think the marketplace is upset, right, And you know, they 853 00:51:07.400 --> 00:51:10.679 froze their prices coming out of COVID for season tickets. Now they're raising them 854 00:51:10.679 --> 00:51:15.239 again, which on the surface isn't wrong, but when you put this kind 855 00:51:15.239 --> 00:51:20.639 of product out there where they really slid in the back end of both seasons, 856 00:51:21.039 --> 00:51:24.280 that's tough for that market to digest. Right. So there's some upset 857 00:51:24.280 --> 00:51:28.199 people, there's no doubt. But my understanding is that corporately and on other 858 00:51:28.320 --> 00:51:32.360 levels they are still doing quite well. So don't let a few angry people 859 00:51:32.400 --> 00:51:36.559 on Twitter completely fool you. Well, and there was the whole I think 860 00:51:36.599 --> 00:51:38.760 it was when they had a TV schedule this year and now all these Sunday 861 00:51:38.880 --> 00:51:42.880 or all these games and we're not going And I mean it's it's funny how 862 00:51:42.960 --> 00:51:45.400 quickly kind of all that goes away. In terms of the Ottawa team, 863 00:51:45.599 --> 00:51:49.800 I see it a lot, you know, because it's weird and obviously last 864 00:51:49.880 --> 00:51:52.719 year the injuries and Bazoli and then this year and all that stuff, Like 865 00:51:53.119 --> 00:51:57.719 people seem really upset with Bob Dyce and the team and the effort there and 866 00:51:58.079 --> 00:52:02.599 what are you reading with the Ottawa kind of no change, well, no 867 00:52:02.760 --> 00:52:07.800 change at the GM or head coaching spots. I'm quite certain those spots are 868 00:52:07.840 --> 00:52:09.519 going to be retained it and I think you should, right. I mean, 869 00:52:09.960 --> 00:52:13.239 I think Sean Burke has done a good job to this point. I 870 00:52:13.280 --> 00:52:15.039 think, you know, you need to give him a little more time. 871 00:52:15.079 --> 00:52:16.920 And Bob Dice has only had one year, so I think he's made some 872 00:52:17.000 --> 00:52:20.639 mistakes on the game management side. You know, we can point to a 873 00:52:20.719 --> 00:52:22.519 number of games and say, if you'd made this decision, which would have 874 00:52:22.519 --> 00:52:25.320 been a little more logical, you know, you wouldn't be in this position 875 00:52:25.360 --> 00:52:31.840 record wise. But he's he has built a good culture. They're still playing 876 00:52:31.840 --> 00:52:35.199 for him, even if they're not executing at a high level in that last 877 00:52:35.239 --> 00:52:37.960 game, they are still playing for him. They haven't quit on him, 878 00:52:37.480 --> 00:52:40.559 and I think that says a lot the room has bought in. Might they 879 00:52:40.599 --> 00:52:45.039 make some change at the coordinator spots. I think that's possible, but you 880 00:52:45.079 --> 00:52:47.599 know that'll be up to Bob Dice to decide. I don't think people above 881 00:52:47.639 --> 00:52:51.960 him are going to micromanage that situation, so I don't think there's going to 882 00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:55.320 be wholesale changes, And I think they just hope they can get the quarterback 883 00:52:55.360 --> 00:53:00.519 situation stabilized, right, because did you see enough in dustin Crumb? Sounds 884 00:53:00.519 --> 00:53:02.119 to me like the marketplace is bought into dustin Crumb. You know. I 885 00:53:02.119 --> 00:53:06.159 think there was kind of an up and then kind of a bit of a 886 00:53:06.199 --> 00:53:07.719 plateau. And I know he's dealing with some injuries and things like that as 887 00:53:07.719 --> 00:53:10.719 well, you know, and they could be better at receiver. I think 888 00:53:10.719 --> 00:53:14.320 their O line is really good, but I think they could get a little 889 00:53:14.320 --> 00:53:17.079 more dynamic at the receiver spot. So is Crumb the guy you're going to 890 00:53:17.119 --> 00:53:21.280 hang your hat on. I know Jeremiah Masli wants to play again next year. 891 00:53:21.559 --> 00:53:23.840 I can't imagine they're going to go to Jeremiah after these last two seasons 892 00:53:23.880 --> 00:53:28.559 and say, Okay, Jeremiah, you're the starter, same money, same 893 00:53:28.599 --> 00:53:31.800 situation, You're the starter. I think there'll probably be some sort of discussion 894 00:53:31.800 --> 00:53:37.800 there about trying to bring him back in a different role and maybe you know, 895 00:53:37.880 --> 00:53:40.239 have a competition in training camp to see who the quarterback is going to 896 00:53:40.239 --> 00:53:45.039 be and continue for one more year trying to build it and have some continuity. 897 00:53:45.559 --> 00:53:46.440 It was always getting up there. Man, It's just hard. The 898 00:53:46.480 --> 00:53:50.239 sandwichever Harris and all that stuff. I mean, I say this as someone 899 00:53:50.360 --> 00:53:52.480 elder than any of that, but it's challenging. Last thing for me, 900 00:53:53.119 --> 00:53:55.719 you know, Bo played a little bit, you know, Tykatz, I 901 00:53:55.800 --> 00:54:00.559 was listening to the game driving back from BC, Like, is that a 902 00:54:00.599 --> 00:54:05.639 realistic situation there? And they're going in playing Montreal here in the playoffs kind 903 00:54:05.639 --> 00:54:08.079 of however that ends up being but like, is that realistic for the ty 904 00:54:08.159 --> 00:54:13.119 Catz fans here after kind of a It's been a weird season. Yeah, 905 00:54:13.159 --> 00:54:15.880 but they're playing their best football right now these last two games, so they've 906 00:54:15.880 --> 00:54:20.559 got their quarterback situation back to what they were hoping for, right I mean, 907 00:54:20.599 --> 00:54:23.000 I think Matthew Shills is going to continue to get an opportunity. I 908 00:54:23.079 --> 00:54:28.239 understand that both Bow and Matthew are going to play against the Lions on Friday, 909 00:54:28.360 --> 00:54:32.239 so it feels like there is a window there for Shills to get the 910 00:54:32.239 --> 00:54:36.440 ball to run with the rest of the season. He looked really good last 911 00:54:36.480 --> 00:54:38.400 week and they just want to win. And the fact is he gives them 912 00:54:38.440 --> 00:54:43.519 an element with his legs that Bow can't offer, even though Bow's got more 913 00:54:43.559 --> 00:54:49.079 experience. So do I think that that Orlando Steina would be afraid to say 914 00:54:49.119 --> 00:54:52.559 we're going to let the five hundred thousand dollars guy be the backup for the 915 00:54:52.599 --> 00:54:54.480 next few games and let the other guy run with it. I think they'd 916 00:54:54.480 --> 00:54:57.920 be prepared to do that. I'm not telling you that that's what's happening, 917 00:54:57.960 --> 00:55:01.400 But if Matthew Shows continue to play well this week, I think that door 918 00:55:01.480 --> 00:55:05.159 will stay open for him. But either way, I think we're gonna see 919 00:55:05.159 --> 00:55:08.400 both of them, and I absolutely believe they can beat Montreal in a playoff 920 00:55:08.400 --> 00:55:12.920 game. Can they beat Toronto? I doubt it, but you know we'll 921 00:55:12.960 --> 00:55:15.800 see, right because you might get a situation with the Argos where they just 922 00:55:16.039 --> 00:55:19.719 take some time to find their mojo again, right, Like, this is 923 00:55:20.000 --> 00:55:22.559 kind of an awkward finish to the season for them, Right, They've still 924 00:55:22.559 --> 00:55:24.480 got to make decisions with how they're gonna handle Chad Kelly in other parts of 925 00:55:24.519 --> 00:55:29.119 their roster. So if they all of a sudden go into the playoffs with 926 00:55:29.280 --> 00:55:31.679 a lack of momentum, I don't know that they can just turn it on 927 00:55:31.800 --> 00:55:35.719 right away, right And if they can't, you know, could Montreal or 928 00:55:35.719 --> 00:55:39.320 Hamilton sneak in and upset them. Maybe? But I would still favor Toronto 929 00:55:39.320 --> 00:55:44.840 in either of those games. And I do absolutely believe that Hamilton could beat 930 00:55:44.840 --> 00:55:47.360 Montreal the way they're playing right now. Well, I'm scared of BC going 931 00:55:47.400 --> 00:55:50.719 then, and I don't know. Do you rally after the game last week? 932 00:55:50.760 --> 00:55:52.480 I bet it is. There will be an emotional hangover for the Lions. 933 00:55:52.519 --> 00:55:57.400 If the Lions win in Hamilton Friday, I'll be surprised. Okay, 934 00:55:57.559 --> 00:56:00.400 all right, I was shout out and watching the Huskies here game, and 935 00:56:00.440 --> 00:56:02.039 we'll get you out of here by the big game. Oh yeah, that's 936 00:56:02.079 --> 00:56:05.800 the game I want to talk about. Come on, man, I can't 937 00:56:05.840 --> 00:56:08.960 believe you live in Seattle. You text me and DM me about the Mariners 938 00:56:09.039 --> 00:56:14.119 daily, which I like, But come on, man, like, wtf 939 00:56:14.199 --> 00:56:16.360 get into the Huskies there ranked seventh in the nation. They can be in 940 00:56:16.440 --> 00:56:22.199 the playoff, so last year the Pac twelve. Come on, read I 941 00:56:22.280 --> 00:56:25.320 do. I bet you Dorothy's into it. Dorothy is a fan. Dorothy 942 00:56:25.360 --> 00:56:30.119 has her her Winther peg or her Washington she wears this winning peg. But 943 00:56:30.199 --> 00:56:34.960 they did. It is funny to think that we right there, that's not 944 00:56:35.000 --> 00:56:37.440 a bomber's helmet right there, that's a Husky helmet. Well we got to 945 00:56:37.480 --> 00:56:40.760 get yeah, we got to get her. It's just funny. I enjoyed 946 00:56:40.760 --> 00:56:45.280 the first time you came on and like you're guarding outside talking like XFL CFL 947 00:56:45.360 --> 00:56:50.360 talks and now we're dming about you know, Paul cu while doing cannonballs in 948 00:56:50.400 --> 00:56:52.440 the hot time. So I do enjoy that. Then I enjoy the I 949 00:56:52.440 --> 00:56:54.800 can at least that. Yeah, bother you a little bit about the Mariners, 950 00:56:55.079 --> 00:56:58.840 Farhan, I appreciate it making time today. It means a lot. 951 00:56:59.519 --> 00:57:06.599 All right, But we'll talk against you. Well here we are. We 952 00:57:06.639 --> 00:57:09.000 had you on last I think it was last season. Had a delight here 953 00:57:09.079 --> 00:57:14.599 Greg Peach back again your former CFL here stand out. How is everything going? 954 00:57:14.639 --> 00:57:16.400 First off, Spokane here we were talking pre recorded. I went to 955 00:57:16.440 --> 00:57:21.920 Gonzaga, spent time over in Eastern Washington as well. Yeah, it's been 956 00:57:21.920 --> 00:57:24.960 going great over here. I've been able to, you know, just kind 957 00:57:24.960 --> 00:57:30.239 of plug myself into this community since I retired about seven years ago. Run 958 00:57:30.280 --> 00:57:37.840 a training facility, Provision Academy out of Spokane and then also Provision Foundation. 959 00:57:37.960 --> 00:57:45.079 We helped scholarship kids into different you know, club sports and camps out in 960 00:57:45.119 --> 00:57:50.559 this area. And then I'm always always heavily invested in Eastern Washington football and 961 00:57:50.679 --> 00:57:55.280 athletics I actually got to about three weeks ago. I was the color commentary 962 00:57:55.360 --> 00:58:00.559 for our TV game for the first time, and that was a really cool 963 00:58:00.559 --> 00:58:05.960 experience and it almost felt like another game, which I haven't had that feeling 964 00:58:06.000 --> 00:58:07.920 in a while, so it was cool. Yeah, you never get that 965 00:58:08.119 --> 00:58:10.559 that's I've heard you. You never get that back kind of that you know, 966 00:58:10.639 --> 00:58:15.280 that feeling there. Spend time obviously We'll talk Edmonton and Hamilton and kind 967 00:58:15.280 --> 00:58:20.159 of everything else here. I spent time up. I was at BC Place 968 00:58:20.280 --> 00:58:23.840 last Friday for the you know, the overtime you know, kind of heartbreaker, 969 00:58:23.880 --> 00:58:27.760 probably the most heartbreaking the game I've been to, and not that we 970 00:58:27.800 --> 00:58:29.760 go to a lot of high stakes games, but what do you make of 971 00:58:29.800 --> 00:58:34.119 this? BC Winnipeg the West kind of everything else cfl here. Yeah, 972 00:58:34.159 --> 00:58:37.960 I've been, Yeah, definitely obviously tracking it, you know, huge Winnipeg 973 00:58:38.039 --> 00:58:43.320 fan. And then I'm always uh, you know, and obviously Edmonton and 974 00:58:43.320 --> 00:58:47.719 Hamilton those are Winnipeg was just the last team that that I was on I 975 00:58:47.800 --> 00:58:52.559 really had a great experience with. But yeah, I love love watching guys 976 00:58:52.559 --> 00:58:58.119 that I know that are playing and competing. So I followed BC Lions, 977 00:58:59.199 --> 00:59:01.360 watching burnon out of and TJ Lee, you know, doing their thing and 978 00:59:01.960 --> 00:59:07.639 that game. I actually got to catch that game and wow, like what 979 00:59:07.719 --> 00:59:14.000 a finish and it's just it's crazy that Winnipeg they just keep doing it and 980 00:59:14.000 --> 00:59:16.840 they have that they now have that pedigree. They're kind of like Calgary when 981 00:59:16.840 --> 00:59:21.079 I was playing, and they've turned themselves into that. And so they finished 982 00:59:21.079 --> 00:59:23.599 those close games or you know, you'll see them, they losing the Labor 983 00:59:23.679 --> 00:59:27.639 Day game, but then they come back and put fifty on them it. 984 00:59:28.079 --> 00:59:30.239 You know, it's been fun to watch. And I know that who's in 985 00:59:30.239 --> 00:59:35.519 that organization and those guys, and I'm happy for him because they're they're good 986 00:59:35.599 --> 00:59:38.360 dudes and they're doing it the right way. And but yeah, that was 987 00:59:38.440 --> 00:59:43.480 that was a crazy, crazy finish. Well to me, it felt and 988 00:59:43.519 --> 00:59:45.920 that's kind of why I told my wife, like we should go to this. 989 00:59:45.960 --> 00:59:46.800 I mean it kind of felt like this season. I don't know, 990 00:59:46.880 --> 00:59:51.360 I lived through last year we beat the pants off Calgary and the Semis and 991 00:59:51.360 --> 00:59:54.199 then we went into ig Era the ig field. Last year, you know, 992 00:59:54.559 --> 00:59:58.920 the Nathan Roar was quite up to speed and frozen Ton during kind of 993 00:59:58.920 --> 01:00:01.280 all that stuff kind of felt the same way this year. What are your 994 01:00:01.280 --> 01:00:05.360 thoughts. You're BC making a run, like I've got far hand on the 995 01:00:05.360 --> 01:00:07.559 show as well. Here we're going to kind of talk to rather he was 996 01:00:07.599 --> 01:00:09.599 doing the commentary for that game, like it is the season. How do 997 01:00:09.639 --> 01:00:14.480 you feel about the VC line season right now? I mean, I think 998 01:00:14.719 --> 01:00:19.480 I think they definitely have a shot. They got, you know, that 999 01:00:19.559 --> 01:00:24.559 receiver, great weapon I think is White is it? And you know, 1000 01:00:24.840 --> 01:00:30.719 and like we saw with with Winnipeg and Toronto, there's there was just that 1001 01:00:30.880 --> 01:00:35.719 was not what I thought was going to happen. And so when you get 1002 01:00:35.760 --> 01:00:39.639 yourself into the playoff race and you get yourself into those games, you know, 1003 01:00:39.800 --> 01:00:45.599 you can never count out b C coming in and beating Winnipeg. You 1004 01:00:45.639 --> 01:00:47.639 know, obviously Winnipeg is going to be the favorite going all the way to 1005 01:00:47.679 --> 01:00:52.800 the Great Cup. But I do like what I'm seeing from BC, and 1006 01:00:52.800 --> 01:00:58.239 you know, and it's obviously I'm rooting for Winnipeg, but you know, 1007 01:00:58.400 --> 01:01:04.119 Vernon just a top notch, top notch dude, and I'm so excited for 1008 01:01:04.199 --> 01:01:07.360 him and the success yet he's having. I mean, he's just he's bombing 1009 01:01:07.400 --> 01:01:12.880 it this year and I'd love to see him break that five thousand yards for 1010 01:01:12.920 --> 01:01:15.840 the season. Well, it's it's cool with Vernon because obviously, you know, 1011 01:01:16.239 --> 01:01:20.760 Eastern Washington guy and he's you know, in Tacoma now and not even 1012 01:01:20.840 --> 01:01:23.280 really that far from where I'm at. Like, to me, that was 1013 01:01:23.320 --> 01:01:28.920 really the question point going into the season was is Vernon we it's a little 1014 01:01:28.960 --> 01:01:30.360 bit of a you know, you're on the roller coaster. It's exciting, 1015 01:01:30.440 --> 01:01:34.719 but it's also a little scary sometimes. I mean, say for the Toronto 1016 01:01:34.760 --> 01:01:37.199 game where he threw the six interceptions, like really, I mean, you 1017 01:01:37.239 --> 01:01:40.880 know, the big out lie. Really, you know, like you said, 1018 01:01:40.880 --> 01:01:45.079 he's played phenomenally well here and finally feeling like he's comfortable. And I 1019 01:01:45.079 --> 01:01:47.480 know he's got a lot of you know, a lot of talent around him, 1020 01:01:47.480 --> 01:01:50.639 and so does Zach and so does Chack Kelly. I mean, these 1021 01:01:50.679 --> 01:01:52.360 you know, these are good the good teams in the CFL feel like they're 1022 01:01:52.360 --> 01:01:55.079 really good right now. So, uh, I don't know, it's just 1023 01:01:55.079 --> 01:01:58.960 been really nice to see because I was scared for Vernon going into the season. 1024 01:01:59.480 --> 01:02:01.320 Man, every one was about ready to just get rid of him. 1025 01:02:01.320 --> 01:02:05.679 After that game. Uh, you know, this is the real Vernon and 1026 01:02:07.280 --> 01:02:09.960 I you know, I felt bad after that happened, but I know how 1027 01:02:10.039 --> 01:02:15.360 much he invests in his off seasons and into the teams, which is one 1028 01:02:15.360 --> 01:02:22.280 thing that you will that will separate you in the CFL is is you know 1029 01:02:22.480 --> 01:02:25.880 those leaders that that take charge when you don't have to be up there. 1030 01:02:27.719 --> 01:02:31.199 And that's what he's done since he's kind of become that premier guy and you 1031 01:02:31.239 --> 01:02:35.840 can see, you know obviously that that worked out and he's taken that next 1032 01:02:35.880 --> 01:02:39.400 step, you know, to being that guy and solidifying himself as a top 1033 01:02:39.440 --> 01:02:44.639 CFL quarterback. So and you know, it really couldn't happen to a better 1034 01:02:44.679 --> 01:02:46.679 guy. That's that's another reason. And I can you know, just from 1035 01:02:46.679 --> 01:02:52.719 personal insight and knowing him that you know he deserves us. So it's cool 1036 01:02:52.719 --> 01:03:00.480 to watch, especially after that six six fig game. In terms of Edmonton, 1037 01:03:00.519 --> 01:03:04.400 obviously, when your former teams news coming out this week, you kind 1038 01:03:04.440 --> 01:03:07.480 of doing the BC Place route, We're not going to open the Upper Bowl 1039 01:03:07.519 --> 01:03:09.840 anymore. And I don't know how that works with like comedy season tickets, 1040 01:03:09.920 --> 01:03:13.199 rup their all that stuff. What did you make of that? Because I 1041 01:03:13.239 --> 01:03:16.920 think there's you know, I saw people like laughing online and this is a 1042 01:03:17.000 --> 01:03:20.880 joke, but they also saw people on. This's going to make more intimate 1043 01:03:20.920 --> 01:03:24.119 experience. So what do you make of this? As a fan? You 1044 01:03:24.119 --> 01:03:28.320 know, I look at it and I'd be saying like, well, if 1045 01:03:28.360 --> 01:03:31.119 I am in that upper deck, my seat's better not cost more if you're 1046 01:03:31.199 --> 01:03:37.000 moving me. And as a player playing, I love when they close that 1047 01:03:37.079 --> 01:03:39.559 off. I want it to be more personal. I want it to be 1048 01:03:40.119 --> 01:03:43.920 you know, everyone close to the field. I played in a lot of 1049 01:03:43.960 --> 01:03:47.199 stadiums like that. When you played a mid major D one, you're you 1050 01:03:47.280 --> 01:03:51.559 know, you're going to Montana and you're playing against thirty thousand fans and they're 1051 01:03:51.639 --> 01:03:53.280 right there on you, and it feels like one hundred because I've played in 1052 01:03:53.280 --> 01:04:00.239 those stadiums too, and sometimes those thirty thousand seat stadiums are louder than than 1053 01:04:00.239 --> 01:04:04.480 the big ninety one hundred thousand stadium. So, and especially in Edmonton, 1054 01:04:04.599 --> 01:04:08.840 I think it'd be a way better experience. And I think BC's doing a 1055 01:04:08.880 --> 01:04:14.119 great job of getting excitement over there with those fans, and you know, 1056 01:04:14.159 --> 01:04:18.159 obviously winning helps, but yeah, you can't. Can't have stragglers up there. 1057 01:04:18.320 --> 01:04:23.840 It's just a bad look in my opinion. And honestly, when I 1058 01:04:23.920 --> 01:04:26.360 was playing at Edmonton. I think there was one game. It was my 1059 01:04:26.679 --> 01:04:30.599 nine rookie season. We had Saskatchewan coming in. It was for first place, 1060 01:04:30.679 --> 01:04:33.239 middle of the year, and there was you know, they said around 1061 01:04:33.239 --> 01:04:38.599 sixty thousand people there, which is awesome. Okay, open it up, 1062 01:04:39.000 --> 01:04:43.039 you got sixty open it up. But that's not happening right now. And 1063 01:04:43.239 --> 01:04:45.199 you know, I'm not trying to dig on Edmonton, but four wins, 1064 01:04:45.599 --> 01:04:50.480 let's close up the the upper section there. It was crazy. We were 1065 01:04:50.480 --> 01:04:55.000 we were flying back because I was in Vegas for the Kraken game on Tuesday, 1066 01:04:55.079 --> 01:04:58.519 the opener at Vegas, and we were sitting there at the airport and 1067 01:04:58.559 --> 01:05:00.840 these guys were they were talking about go up and seeing the Vancouver Canucks game, 1068 01:05:00.880 --> 01:05:03.719 and they're like, oh, yeah, what's what Okay Roger Center, 1069 01:05:03.719 --> 01:05:06.800 Okay, what's BC plays? Since we got into this whole conversation because I'm 1070 01:05:06.800 --> 01:05:09.360 like what, Yeah, I was just there and then you know, the 1071 01:05:09.400 --> 01:05:12.320 Lions and all that, and we were looking online, you know, huge 1072 01:05:12.320 --> 01:05:15.159 capacity for BC Lions and some of the numbers they were drawn early on. 1073 01:05:15.360 --> 01:05:18.000 I was astounded. They're like, oh yeah they have Lions. First game 1074 01:05:18.000 --> 01:05:21.480 there had like fifty three thousand people I'm like, that's insane. I mean, 1075 01:05:21.519 --> 01:05:25.519 because we were there the biggest game of the year on Friday and it 1076 01:05:25.559 --> 01:05:28.440 was not even you know, less than half that really, you know, 1077 01:05:28.519 --> 01:05:30.559 just remarkable to kind of track some of these, you know in this a 1078 01:05:30.639 --> 01:05:33.880 sign of the times and everything else, but a far cry from where kind 1079 01:05:33.920 --> 01:05:39.239 of BC Place was back when they opened up. That's crazy. I don't 1080 01:05:39.239 --> 01:05:43.079 know if I played a game that was more than thirty thousand over there. 1081 01:05:43.159 --> 01:05:45.559 When I was playing, I don't even know if it touched thirty. Like 1082 01:05:45.639 --> 01:05:49.480 even in Edmonton. Edmonton was always the highest as far as attendance, and 1083 01:05:49.519 --> 01:05:54.599 it was around like thirty five was the average. And like I said, 1084 01:05:54.639 --> 01:06:00.639 you get a one off in a big game. But yeah, it's definitely 1085 01:06:00.000 --> 01:06:04.840 it's definitely kind of tracked down. But I do, like, you know, 1086 01:06:04.880 --> 01:06:09.440 being in the States here, you you know, I can follow, 1087 01:06:09.480 --> 01:06:12.760 but I don't get to follow as closely as you know, watching every game 1088 01:06:12.960 --> 01:06:16.320 on the weekend kind of thing. But I do like the excitement that they're 1089 01:06:16.360 --> 01:06:19.480 bringing. We had this conversation last time about what they could do on this 1090 01:06:19.679 --> 01:06:24.639 on social media, and I do think they're getting better at that, and 1091 01:06:25.039 --> 01:06:28.519 like you said, just kind of with the times. But now it's getting 1092 01:06:28.519 --> 01:06:32.719 people out of their freaking house to go to a game because then you get 1093 01:06:32.719 --> 01:06:36.039 all that, you get all the everything online that you can see, like 1094 01:06:36.079 --> 01:06:42.159 I'll just watch the the highlight here and all that looks cool, but you 1095 01:06:42.159 --> 01:06:45.119 know, and that's what BC has done a good job of. I always 1096 01:06:45.159 --> 01:06:50.239 watch the the President, you know, on Twitter and what he's doing to 1097 01:06:50.239 --> 01:06:55.079 to get excitement there. So there are teams that are doing it and someone's 1098 01:06:55.079 --> 01:06:58.360 on the West and East coast that have to have to go the hardest with 1099 01:06:58.400 --> 01:07:01.920 that because you know, so Sketch One's always going to be a Saskatchewan and 1100 01:07:01.920 --> 01:07:06.599 they're always going to get that crowd. Winnipeg, same thing. But yeah, 1101 01:07:06.639 --> 01:07:11.519 it's those coast teams that that got to step their game up well, 1102 01:07:11.519 --> 01:07:14.519 And like you said, it's hard, you know, TV and for the 1103 01:07:14.559 --> 01:07:16.599 most part, I think the demos and numbers this year at least, you 1104 01:07:16.639 --> 01:07:20.000 know, with three downs tracking like have been good, right, TV ratings 1105 01:07:20.000 --> 01:07:23.280 have been good, But it's like you said, it's getting people in. 1106 01:07:23.320 --> 01:07:26.719 I know, the XFL, you know, they a myriad of other issues 1107 01:07:26.719 --> 01:07:29.360 with these alt leagues, but you know, they spend so much time on 1108 01:07:29.400 --> 01:07:32.159 the broadcast, TV broadcast. So okay, we've got the microphones everywhere you 1109 01:07:32.159 --> 01:07:35.079 can hear everything, and we're doing all this stuff. Like I don't get 1110 01:07:35.119 --> 01:07:38.440 any of that when I go to the stadium. So you need to figure 1111 01:07:38.480 --> 01:07:42.079 out and you know, I know like Edmonton was trying to do that with 1112 01:07:42.159 --> 01:07:44.800 like the suitets. You know, you get to like all you can eat 1113 01:07:44.840 --> 01:07:47.880 and you're on the fields, you know, whatever couches whatever. You have 1114 01:07:47.960 --> 01:07:53.159 to do something because if I'm getting a better experience watching on TV, it's 1115 01:07:53.199 --> 01:07:55.920 really hard to you know, to pay and go and do da da da 1116 01:07:55.960 --> 01:07:57.920 day. You know, I just splt whatever it was to go to Vegas 1117 01:07:57.960 --> 01:08:00.239 to do all this. Like you're asking a lot of your fans, like 1118 01:08:00.239 --> 01:08:01.760 you said, when you can get I can set on my phone on Twitter 1119 01:08:01.800 --> 01:08:06.199 and watch it on TV and get probably a superior experience. Yeah, no 1120 01:08:06.280 --> 01:08:10.519 doubt. And for me too, Like you know, I'm an Eastern fan 1121 01:08:10.639 --> 01:08:15.439 and and I have season tickets. I'm out here talking about fans got to 1122 01:08:15.479 --> 01:08:19.159 go out there. But I don't go to every game that we have, 1123 01:08:19.359 --> 01:08:25.079 but I will I will go, you know, if there is an opportunity, 1124 01:08:25.520 --> 01:08:28.039 you know, to get on the field or you know, get you 1125 01:08:28.079 --> 01:08:30.199 know, they have like the the tents with the all you can eat and 1126 01:08:30.239 --> 01:08:34.119 the drinks and and you know that that is the route that you got to 1127 01:08:34.159 --> 01:08:39.680 go because CFL has always been that way anyway as far as the fan experience 1128 01:08:39.720 --> 01:08:45.640 with the players, but that getting on that field for the for the warm 1129 01:08:45.720 --> 01:08:50.000 ups, you know, even for after. Winnipeg does an incredible job of 1130 01:08:50.039 --> 01:08:54.720 that. I always remembered those games. I was always talking to fans. 1131 01:08:54.760 --> 01:08:59.119 There was you know, hundreds on the field before and then after even as 1132 01:08:59.159 --> 01:09:02.479 brutal as you know season, We had my last year here out there signing 1133 01:09:02.520 --> 01:09:06.039 autographs for fans and it you know, it doesn't feel great, but I 1134 01:09:06.079 --> 01:09:11.840 know it's definitely helping those kids out and those parents and it makes them want 1135 01:09:11.840 --> 01:09:15.159 to come back for sure to support the team. So maybe they need to 1136 01:09:15.560 --> 01:09:21.800 have a chat with with Wayde Miller and with the playbook. Yeah, I 1137 01:09:21.800 --> 01:09:25.880 think so. In terms of you know, Edmonton's season, you know, 1138 01:09:26.880 --> 01:09:29.439 it wasn't the greatest, right, you know, kind of took a little 1139 01:09:29.520 --> 01:09:31.119 too long to go to the trade for experience. A're like, what would 1140 01:09:31.159 --> 01:09:33.920 you make of just the overall season this year? Because I think you know, 1141 01:09:33.960 --> 01:09:36.640 looking now, it feels like they have momentum going into the next year 1142 01:09:36.680 --> 01:09:40.800 where you know, we were people were screaming fire Chris Jones and kind of 1143 01:09:40.840 --> 01:09:45.399 all this stuff like what do you kind of a weird situation where like it 1144 01:09:45.399 --> 01:09:47.399 was a failure this year, but through that maybe we found success or moving 1145 01:09:47.399 --> 01:09:50.600 forward. Yeah. Man, I was in the same boat. And I 1146 01:09:50.640 --> 01:09:56.239 don't really you know, I'm not putting my my opinions out there too much 1147 01:09:56.279 --> 01:10:00.479 about it because I know how hard it is to make those decisions as GM 1148 01:10:00.560 --> 01:10:04.199 and and head coach and uh and even for those players, like you know, 1149 01:10:04.279 --> 01:10:10.960 you just you're feeling bad for for a lot of those guys and and 1150 01:10:11.039 --> 01:10:15.239 I know a couple of them in Edmonton still, but uh, yeah, 1151 01:10:15.359 --> 01:10:19.600 Chris. The thing about you know Chris Jones is it's it's not a situation 1152 01:10:19.720 --> 01:10:24.680 where everyone's like rooting for him because he kind of plays that villain role anyway 1153 01:10:24.720 --> 01:10:30.560 in the CFL and you know, my way or the highway. So that's 1154 01:10:30.600 --> 01:10:34.239 I think piles on even more from the fans and and anyone outside his organization. 1155 01:10:34.359 --> 01:10:39.920 Now, people that play for him that I've talked to absolutely love playing 1156 01:10:39.920 --> 01:10:43.199 for him. And if you can make his squad you know, you really 1157 01:10:43.239 --> 01:10:46.640 earned it because he's very cutthroat. He's looking for the best guys and he's 1158 01:10:46.640 --> 01:10:49.560 got kind of a certain guy that he wants and if you're not that, 1159 01:10:49.760 --> 01:10:53.439 you're probably not going to be there. So when you make his squad, 1160 01:10:53.439 --> 01:10:58.760 you love playing for him. But you know that switch obviously needed to be 1161 01:10:58.840 --> 01:11:00.600 made way sooner, and we're seeing the results of it. And I've been 1162 01:11:00.680 --> 01:11:04.079 very impressed with tray Ford. It's a it's a cool storyline for this year 1163 01:11:04.880 --> 01:11:09.319 well, and I think it's you know, this this whole promoting you know, 1164 01:11:09.359 --> 01:11:11.760 the Canadian talent and everything I know. To me, there's too many 1165 01:11:11.800 --> 01:11:15.199 good things about the situation where it is just weird. It took so long. 1166 01:11:15.239 --> 01:11:17.680 I mean, we love Cornelius and kind of attracted me even through the 1167 01:11:17.760 --> 01:11:21.600 XFL and all that stuff. But like it's just it's just amazing that the 1168 01:11:21.600 --> 01:11:25.920 the difference of that team seems to look and feel here with trade forward and 1169 01:11:26.279 --> 01:11:28.760 it seems like it's only kind of picking up. I know they haven't had 1170 01:11:28.960 --> 01:11:30.720 as many wins closing out the year, but it certainly feels like a different 1171 01:11:30.720 --> 01:11:36.800 team. Yeah, and you could just I mean, it was almost that 1172 01:11:36.880 --> 01:11:39.880 thing where it's like, I'm not going to do what the fans want. 1173 01:11:40.119 --> 01:11:45.000 I'm gonna do it my way. And but you know, at the end 1174 01:11:45.039 --> 01:11:48.079 of the day that that's what you're going to get at out of Chris Jones. 1175 01:11:48.079 --> 01:11:53.199 That's that's how he's always been and and that's why he's been so successful 1176 01:11:53.279 --> 01:11:58.319 in the league. So I think he uh, you know, he gets 1177 01:11:58.359 --> 01:12:01.119 him in there. Earlier they got a much better shot, you know, 1178 01:12:01.159 --> 01:12:08.279 playoff shot. But now he might have saved his his contract at least knowing 1179 01:12:08.279 --> 01:12:11.560 they got somebody coming in next year that can that can sling it and win 1180 01:12:11.680 --> 01:12:15.399 games. So he made the right choice by getting him in there just a 1181 01:12:15.439 --> 01:12:19.520 little too late. Talking about Hamilton here, kind of a weird season for 1182 01:12:19.560 --> 01:12:23.520 them, obviously with the bo levies and all of that, and then they 1183 01:12:23.560 --> 01:12:27.039 came in and beat Saskatchewan right at home last week. Kind of a dominant 1184 01:12:27.359 --> 01:12:30.399 you know, panting of Saskatchewan. You know they're going to be in the 1185 01:12:30.399 --> 01:12:33.640 playoffs. You know, Cody f Gerardo is kind of hot and cold. 1186 01:12:33.800 --> 01:12:36.640 You know, we're fans of Cody here, But what do you make of 1187 01:12:36.640 --> 01:12:42.119 that? Because I do think that's I think whether it's Saskatchewan or Calgary. 1188 01:12:42.119 --> 01:12:45.239 I think BC kind of take takes care of that right and then goes into 1189 01:12:45.239 --> 01:12:47.079 Winnipeg. But to me, the playoffs on the East are a little bit 1190 01:12:47.079 --> 01:12:49.239 more interesting that way. What do you make of that with it with the 1191 01:12:49.279 --> 01:12:54.880 Hamilton with their season and then kind of going into the Outlets. Yeah, 1192 01:12:55.039 --> 01:12:59.439 I mean, Stan I's got a tough, tough choice they're going in because 1193 01:12:59.479 --> 01:13:04.079 I know that that Bo is just coming back and they're not you know, 1194 01:13:04.199 --> 01:13:09.880 they're they want them healthy for that run, but it's how how much are 1195 01:13:09.880 --> 01:13:13.680 they gonna lean on him? And I you know, I've obviously followed bow 1196 01:13:14.920 --> 01:13:20.840 as another former Eastern Washington Eagle goeagues and so I'm excited that he's back, 1197 01:13:20.880 --> 01:13:25.239 and you know, he got to play a little bit last week and it 1198 01:13:25.359 --> 01:13:29.600 did well. But uh, you know, in the in the playoffs too, 1199 01:13:29.880 --> 01:13:32.439 to be able to have guys that even if as a backup, that 1200 01:13:32.560 --> 01:13:36.439 can play and win games. You know, Bo's got just a great resume. 1201 01:13:36.840 --> 01:13:42.560 Obviously everyone understands that. So going into the playoffs, to be able 1202 01:13:42.600 --> 01:13:45.399 to have a couple of guys that can that can win, that's huge for 1203 01:13:45.439 --> 01:13:49.920 them. But yeah, it'll be an interesting decision by the by the coach. 1204 01:13:50.000 --> 01:13:55.439 Man, It's funny. You can, you can get to a spot, 1205 01:13:55.680 --> 01:13:58.319 but and when you get to the playoffs, man, that's when the 1206 01:13:58.359 --> 01:14:01.640 pressure just hits on these guys. I've been a part of teams where you 1207 01:14:01.680 --> 01:14:05.079 know, they make decisions. You're like, what are we doing? We've 1208 01:14:05.079 --> 01:14:10.359 done it this way the whole time. But yeah, so many There's so 1209 01:14:10.359 --> 01:14:15.079 many different things too that we don't understand contractually with these players too, and 1210 01:14:15.199 --> 01:14:18.119 you know they're trying to piece together a team for next year as well, 1211 01:14:18.159 --> 01:14:23.560 and you know, keep people happy. So yeah, that'll be interesting, 1212 01:14:24.159 --> 01:14:27.079 yeah, because i mean just looking here, you know BC coming in and 1213 01:14:27.119 --> 01:14:29.840 that's you know, BC's got to keep pace here and you know this is 1214 01:14:29.880 --> 01:14:32.079 coming up this weekend kind of a must win for them. So it's weird. 1215 01:14:32.119 --> 01:14:36.479 It's a weird timing with just looking at the schedule and then Hamilton having 1216 01:14:36.479 --> 01:14:41.680 a late buy and then playing Montreal there and what could be kind of a 1217 01:14:42.079 --> 01:14:44.840 weird preview of the playoffs. It's just weird, like you're getting bow back. 1218 01:14:45.399 --> 01:14:46.880 You know, would it have been better off getting back a couple of 1219 01:14:46.880 --> 01:14:49.560 weeks ago? I mean, obviously you can't whatever, but it's late now 1220 01:14:49.600 --> 01:14:53.800 where it's like we got to use him, you know, Taylor Powell, 1221 01:14:53.840 --> 01:14:56.520 Malthy, Shields have hadn't gotten this at this point. He's just it's a 1222 01:14:56.520 --> 01:15:00.399 tricky situation there, right, Just it's a it seems like it's a crowded 1223 01:15:00.439 --> 01:15:03.159 space, if that makes sense. Yeah, no, it is. And 1224 01:15:03.319 --> 01:15:09.479 when I got to Edmonton, it was the story was always told about, 1225 01:15:09.560 --> 01:15:14.880 you know, Ricky, Ricky Ray and Jason Moss going into the Great Cup 1226 01:15:14.920 --> 01:15:19.720 game because you know, Moss had won a couple of the playoff games to 1227 01:15:19.760 --> 01:15:24.319 get him to the Great Cup because Ricky was hurt. And then it was 1228 01:15:24.479 --> 01:15:28.560 it was a you know, it was a game time decision and they went 1229 01:15:28.600 --> 01:15:31.640 with Ricky and then they win the Great Cup. And yeah, it's such 1230 01:15:31.640 --> 01:15:35.520 a such a tough, tough decision you got to make going into those situations. 1231 01:15:35.520 --> 01:15:41.279 But that's what the you know, that's why that was Danny mcchouch's calling. 1232 01:15:41.319 --> 01:15:43.960 That's why he's still in the league. So, uh, you can 1233 01:15:44.000 --> 01:15:45.800 say what you want about him, but he's still got a job in the 1234 01:15:45.840 --> 01:15:49.199 CFL. So he's he's made some tough decisions and some of them are the 1235 01:15:49.239 --> 01:15:54.079 right ones. Oh, Greg, I appreciate coming on today. Anything else, 1236 01:15:54.119 --> 01:15:56.720 any other things you're looking forward to this weekend or to the rest of 1237 01:15:56.720 --> 01:16:00.720 the year. I'm you know, I'm I'm excited for the I was kind 1238 01:16:00.720 --> 01:16:05.119 of looking at the upcoming schedule and it's funny, we got there's only three 1239 01:16:05.159 --> 01:16:11.399 games from the last two weeks, which is a totally different thing than than 1240 01:16:11.399 --> 01:16:17.359 I'm used to seeing. So they really really this a long season to get 1241 01:16:17.359 --> 01:16:19.479 to the playoffs, Like, holy crap, it feels like we should be 1242 01:16:19.520 --> 01:16:25.439 starting next week, but here we go through more weekends. I'll be you 1243 01:16:25.479 --> 01:16:28.800 know, it's tough down here to watch every game, but I'll be checking 1244 01:16:28.800 --> 01:16:30.159 it out. And then when the playoffs starts, you know, that's when 1245 01:16:30.159 --> 01:16:34.079 I'm on my couch. So yeah, it's you know, and I've had 1246 01:16:34.119 --> 01:16:38.439 conversations. I've had conversations even on this show with the commissioner, like, 1247 01:16:38.680 --> 01:16:42.960 you know, a lot was made of the CFL or CBS Sports whatever, 1248 01:16:43.039 --> 01:16:45.720 you know, sports streaming, and unless you're on that CFL plus for a 1249 01:16:45.760 --> 01:16:48.079 lot of these games, it's really hard to watch them. And I just 1250 01:16:48.239 --> 01:16:53.600 like, I would like this to be revisited a different way for US American 1251 01:16:53.680 --> 01:16:57.199 viewers to watch these on demand, because it is hard and I even on 1252 01:16:57.239 --> 01:16:59.920 our Monday recaps. I rely a lot on Jason Tosseie, one of the 1253 01:17:00.039 --> 01:17:02.720 guys you know in Hamilton, to really kind of have the in depth breakdown 1254 01:17:02.760 --> 01:17:05.319 of all these because it is hard. Like if I'm out on a Saturday 1255 01:17:05.359 --> 01:17:09.880 for two hours, it's like, well that was it. You can't you 1256 01:17:09.960 --> 01:17:13.479 know, you can't go back. So great, I appreciate it. You 1257 01:17:13.560 --> 01:17:15.119 best of luck with everything and like I said, with the you know everything 1258 01:17:15.119 --> 01:17:17.920 over in Eastern Washington and everything else. I appreciate you coming on to that. 1259 01:17:18.520 --> 01:17:21.119 Yeah, thank you so much for having me love talking CFL Man. 1260 01:17:26.880 --> 01:17:30.159 Well, here is someone we've watched every week really, you know, and 1261 01:17:30.199 --> 01:17:31.680 we can talk Edmonton and all that, but really kind of have a stellar 1262 01:17:31.720 --> 01:17:34.159 season. Kevin Brown here with the Edmonton Oaks. How are you doing, 1263 01:17:34.159 --> 01:17:39.680 sir. I'm doing good. I'm doing good. I was watching some of 1264 01:17:39.720 --> 01:17:43.079 your post game wait, you know, getting ready for this and everything just 1265 01:17:43.119 --> 01:17:45.840 seems like a joyous, like happy guy. I mean, how do you 1266 01:17:45.960 --> 01:17:48.680 kind of keep I don't know, it seems like you have a great personality 1267 01:17:48.720 --> 01:17:53.960 about you. Oh yeah, I do. I mean it's all from an 1268 01:17:54.000 --> 01:17:59.279 upbringing, you know what I'm saying. So like I I'm an optimistic kind 1269 01:17:59.319 --> 01:18:00.960 of person, so I always look at like the bar set of things, 1270 01:18:01.000 --> 01:18:03.399 you know what I'm saying. When something goes wrong, there's always a positive. 1271 01:18:04.039 --> 01:18:06.479 So I always look for the positive and that keeps me, you know, 1272 01:18:06.520 --> 01:18:10.800 in the uplifting spirit. So yeah, I'm a I'm a happy kind 1273 01:18:10.840 --> 01:18:15.039 of guy. It's funny. It's always like the most physical talented people on 1274 01:18:15.079 --> 01:18:17.840 the field always seem to be. Like I interview a lot of like defensive 1275 01:18:17.840 --> 01:18:21.000 guys in here. We've had like Matthew Batts with the BC Lions and something 1276 01:18:21.039 --> 01:18:25.279 like. It always seems like that the guys that just will will beat you 1277 01:18:25.319 --> 01:18:28.039 on the field are always the nicest guys. It's just kind of funny. 1278 01:18:29.640 --> 01:18:32.279 Yeah, definitely, though definitely I ran it. I ran into a couple 1279 01:18:32.319 --> 01:18:35.600 of them before. H So, how's it been like for you this year? 1280 01:18:35.640 --> 01:18:39.840 I mean personal, Let's talk personally first and then team wise. How 1281 01:18:39.920 --> 01:18:43.920 has been your twenty twenty three on the football field? Uh? Personally, 1282 01:18:44.039 --> 01:18:46.239 I would say there's definitely been some up and downs, you know what I'm 1283 01:18:46.239 --> 01:18:51.359 saying. Uh, For me, I think in the beginning, I wasn't 1284 01:18:51.399 --> 01:18:56.960 where I wanted to be, But like you, know, getting more comfortable 1285 01:18:57.640 --> 01:19:01.439 and like, uh, I was in my head a lot so and like 1286 01:19:01.479 --> 01:19:06.319 once I realized, you know, just like play play free, play relax 1287 01:19:06.560 --> 01:19:12.039 and play calm. I mean like I believe everything came you know, cle 1288 01:19:12.520 --> 01:19:15.960 clearer to me. So, uh, since I started doing that, everything's 1289 01:19:16.039 --> 01:19:20.439 been everything's been going good for me. I did you feel like and we've 1290 01:19:20.439 --> 01:19:24.880 had on you know, even coach Jones on last year and then we had 1291 01:19:25.000 --> 01:19:27.800 him on kind of after this season, do you feel like the staff that 1292 01:19:27.840 --> 01:19:30.800 you guys have in place that helps you they kind of help help you succeed. 1293 01:19:30.600 --> 01:19:33.159 Oh yeah, definitely. I have some of the coaches come up to 1294 01:19:33.199 --> 01:19:39.119 me, you know, give me some encouraging words, like my running back 1295 01:19:39.159 --> 01:19:45.840 coach I've for me. I was like questioning myself sometimes and then my coach 1296 01:19:45.920 --> 01:19:48.159 is like, it's all about confidence. You know, you're the guy. 1297 01:19:48.439 --> 01:19:51.359 You know you could do what you do. I've seen it before. You 1298 01:19:51.479 --> 01:19:57.520 just gotta trust in your ability, trusting your you know yourself and that I 1299 01:19:57.520 --> 01:20:00.640 feel like that helped me a lot. I So you right, I'm with 1300 01:20:00.680 --> 01:20:04.720 the team last year, first full season this year, right, being put 1301 01:20:04.760 --> 01:20:08.920 in a really prominent position. How did that feel? And how did you 1302 01:20:09.039 --> 01:20:13.880 kind of internalize that, because you know it's a lot of pressure on I 1303 01:20:13.920 --> 01:20:17.720 feel like, don't try to look at it as that way, you know 1304 01:20:17.720 --> 01:20:21.960 what I'm saying, Try to like I mean, for me, I feel 1305 01:20:21.960 --> 01:20:28.920 like doing the small things can help lead to being greater things. So that's 1306 01:20:28.960 --> 01:20:34.479 that's why I really try to harbor on in terms of kind of learning process 1307 01:20:34.560 --> 01:20:38.680 going into everything, and the CFL has have it challenging you with all, 1308 01:20:38.680 --> 01:20:41.920 Like I said, from your twenty twenty two into twenty twenty three, Oh 1309 01:20:42.000 --> 01:20:44.880 yeah, when I first got here, definitely, because I only had like 1310 01:20:44.880 --> 01:20:46.880 three days of practice and then I was thrown into the game, so that 1311 01:20:47.159 --> 01:20:50.920 so it came at me fast. And then like once I would like thrown 1312 01:20:50.960 --> 01:20:56.079 that whole twenty twenty two process, I was still learning the offense. I 1313 01:20:56.159 --> 01:20:59.640 was still learning, you know, all the rules to the game and everything, 1314 01:21:00.279 --> 01:21:05.319 and then once twenty twenty three season came wrong, I found myself getting 1315 01:21:05.319 --> 01:21:09.680 comfortable. I knew the offense, I knew the players, I knew the 1316 01:21:10.159 --> 01:21:15.000 tendencies. So you know that that time really helped me progress and to what 1317 01:21:15.760 --> 01:21:20.159 I'm doing now. Did you have thoughts on the CFL before you came up. 1318 01:21:20.279 --> 01:21:23.520 I mean, I'm from Seattle, so I have thoughts. Well, 1319 01:21:23.600 --> 01:21:27.159 yeah, I mean, did you have thoughts entering the league that maybe lived 1320 01:21:27.159 --> 01:21:29.319 out or didn't live up to what you thought? Changed, you know, 1321 01:21:29.399 --> 01:21:34.279 different perspective. Really, I thought I was never gonna be in the CFL, 1322 01:21:35.119 --> 01:21:39.760 because you know, I had I had tryouts from the Broncos, had 1323 01:21:39.800 --> 01:21:42.720 trials from the Ravens. I thought I was gonna lay in one of those 1324 01:21:42.760 --> 01:21:47.079 spots, but it didn't happen. So when I got the call, I 1325 01:21:47.159 --> 01:21:49.960 jumped on it right away because you know, it's an opportunity to show, 1326 01:21:50.239 --> 01:21:57.279 you know, what I can produce. So never thought I had thoughts about 1327 01:21:57.319 --> 01:22:00.520 come to Canada. But you know, I'm now that I'm here, I'm 1328 01:22:00.560 --> 01:22:04.479 liking it. I'm getting to a nice feel about it, and you know, 1329 01:22:05.279 --> 01:22:09.600 it's it's going well for me. Do you like Edmonton? I I 1330 01:22:09.600 --> 01:22:12.840 have never been there. I think it's probably pretty frigid certain times of the 1331 01:22:12.920 --> 01:22:15.880 year. Oh, Edmonton is Niceton? Is nice? Is a great? 1332 01:22:16.039 --> 01:22:21.039 Uh? I feel like it's it's called Providence or is that burn I'm sorry, 1333 01:22:21.359 --> 01:22:24.720 Yeah, al Bert, that's the Providence. You're good. Yeah, 1334 01:22:24.840 --> 01:22:28.359 yeah, but no, it's it's nice, The people are nice. The 1335 01:22:28.399 --> 01:22:31.640 food is amazing. I'm a foodie, so the food is amazing. The 1336 01:22:31.720 --> 01:22:35.159 people are nice. Like I said before, I mean it's a great place 1337 01:22:35.199 --> 01:22:40.880 to be honestly in terms of you know, we tracked Edmonton here the last 1338 01:22:40.920 --> 01:22:44.239 couple of years and maybe not the season I think anyone wanted. It's been 1339 01:22:44.279 --> 01:22:45.319 a little bit of ups and downs. What is it kind of been the 1340 01:22:45.359 --> 01:22:49.920 mentality through the locker room here during the season. Oh, the mentality is 1341 01:22:49.960 --> 01:22:55.359 the you know, uh, focus on the next game, Like even if 1342 01:22:55.359 --> 01:22:58.079 you want to lose, you got to focus on the next game. The 1343 01:22:58.159 --> 01:23:00.720 mentality in the locker room and like the closing staff has been uplifting, you 1344 01:23:00.800 --> 01:23:04.640 know what I'm saying. But you know, you have you have your advertsities, 1345 01:23:04.680 --> 01:23:09.520 you have your ups and downs, but it's all mental. So you 1346 01:23:09.560 --> 01:23:13.960 have to learn, you know, to deal with it and to go back 1347 01:23:14.000 --> 01:23:17.520 and look on like what mistakes that have that you made and try to improve 1348 01:23:17.600 --> 01:23:20.800 on that. So what I do is I try to, like, you 1349 01:23:20.840 --> 01:23:26.880 know, get the same, get one percent better every day. I take 1350 01:23:26.920 --> 01:23:31.079 that the heart. So you know, you have a bad game or you 1351 01:23:31.199 --> 01:23:34.279 mess up, trying not to mess up again on the on the same thing, 1352 01:23:34.399 --> 01:23:36.840 so you know, you just got to look forward to the next play 1353 01:23:38.000 --> 01:23:42.319 or to the next game. Do you feel like having the season you know, 1354 01:23:43.239 --> 01:23:45.439 and it certainly swung up here more recently, But does that make the 1355 01:23:45.479 --> 01:23:48.640 locker room closer? Have you guys been able to bond because I could see 1356 01:23:48.640 --> 01:23:50.640 it being the other way right where you're like, hey, we're kind of 1357 01:23:50.640 --> 01:23:54.520 getting argument. Do you feel like you guys have bonded through all this? 1358 01:23:55.359 --> 01:23:59.039 Oh, definitely, the guys that we have on the team and the staff, 1359 01:24:00.640 --> 01:24:04.039 we we where everybody came from, you know what I'm saying. Wherever 1360 01:24:04.159 --> 01:24:10.239 the background people have, it's you could definitely see it because we we definitely 1361 01:24:10.279 --> 01:24:15.960 came closer. So you know, want to lose. We always want to 1362 01:24:16.000 --> 01:24:20.000 have each other's backs. We're always gonna look forward, you know, trying 1363 01:24:20.039 --> 01:24:24.199 to help, trying to help each other or you know, better each other. 1364 01:24:24.720 --> 01:24:29.279 You know, iron shopping's iron. So we definitely, we definitely have 1365 01:24:29.319 --> 01:24:31.479 those type of guys in the in the in the uh, in the locker 1366 01:24:31.560 --> 01:24:34.319 room, and that's gonna you know, help us get to the next level 1367 01:24:35.279 --> 01:24:39.239 in terms of you know, kind of and obviously there was a lot of 1368 01:24:39.239 --> 01:24:42.359 the story this year the quarterback and stuff. I we had Trey on pre 1369 01:24:42.520 --> 01:24:45.359 season because I thought Trade's going to be a super you know, I try 1370 01:24:45.399 --> 01:24:47.880 to hitch my wag into you know, these guys like this could be we 1371 01:24:47.920 --> 01:24:50.760 finally get to that position. Right, we love Cornelius and all that other 1372 01:24:50.800 --> 01:24:56.560 stuff. Having someone like Trey, what does that help you do? From 1373 01:24:56.600 --> 01:24:59.319 from your position? And you know where he's a threat, right then you're 1374 01:24:59.319 --> 01:25:01.039 gonna be like, how is that help to add into the offense there? 1375 01:25:02.159 --> 01:25:04.359 Well, Tray in the back, he's a I feel like he's a doer 1376 01:25:04.439 --> 01:25:10.800 threat personally for me because he can run it as you've seen, as many 1377 01:25:10.800 --> 01:25:14.159 people seen before. He could. He's dangerous on his feet, but he's 1378 01:25:14.159 --> 01:25:16.600 also you know, he has an arm, and he has eyes, he 1379 01:25:16.640 --> 01:25:21.920 has the vision. And it helps me because the defense doesn't know if he's 1380 01:25:23.000 --> 01:25:25.600 gonna take it, Like if you have a play action or whatever. They 1381 01:25:25.600 --> 01:25:28.399 don't know if he's going to pull it and run off with it or like 1382 01:25:28.520 --> 01:25:30.640 pass it, or he's going to give it off. So it it gives 1383 01:25:30.680 --> 01:25:34.359 the defense, you know, some honor to where they have to like play 1384 01:25:34.439 --> 01:25:39.720 both of us. So if he gives it, I do what I do 1385 01:25:39.760 --> 01:25:43.439 and he pulls it. He does what he does and either way we're gonna 1386 01:25:43.439 --> 01:25:47.640 get some yards off of it. Is he is he a good leader in 1387 01:25:47.720 --> 01:25:50.560 terms of the offensive? Now or where do you guys look to when you're 1388 01:25:50.600 --> 01:25:54.920 on the playfield, Like who's kind of helping you rally the troops there? 1389 01:25:56.119 --> 01:26:00.560 I feel like it definitely starts with the quarterback, and Trey is the He 1390 01:26:00.640 --> 01:26:04.840 definitely can do it. He's shown it before, He's done it almost every 1391 01:26:04.880 --> 01:26:11.920 game and so yeah, so yeah, we look to trade for us to 1392 01:26:11.960 --> 01:26:15.159 be you know, we look for trade to be the leader, and he 1393 01:26:15.319 --> 01:26:18.039 is. In terms of this weekend, you know, like I said, 1394 01:26:18.119 --> 01:26:20.560 your season, you kind of out of it. Here a chance to play 1395 01:26:20.640 --> 01:26:25.239 spoiler a little bit to the Montreal coming. You know, they have a 1396 01:26:25.279 --> 01:26:28.640 really impressive defense. I've had lots of their guys on the show like what 1397 01:26:28.680 --> 01:26:30.880 are you looking for to that? Because I do think that this could be 1398 01:26:30.960 --> 01:26:33.399 kind of a heavy hitting in terms of, you know, strengths on both 1399 01:26:33.399 --> 01:26:39.920 sides of the ball. So what are you looking forward to? Honestly, 1400 01:26:39.960 --> 01:26:42.239 I don't know. But they have a good defense. You know, they 1401 01:26:42.439 --> 01:26:46.119 they they're physical, you know, they play fast, you know, But 1402 01:26:46.279 --> 01:26:49.119 for us I feel like we just have to strike fast. We have to 1403 01:26:49.119 --> 01:26:53.600 be fast. We have to start ahead of them, you know what I'm 1404 01:26:53.600 --> 01:26:56.600 saying. We have to hit them before they hit us. And I feel 1405 01:26:56.640 --> 01:27:00.800 like that's what we have to do and be physical for us, you know, 1406 01:27:00.880 --> 01:27:04.039 come on top for this game. What's the you know, being out 1407 01:27:04.039 --> 01:27:06.319 of it? What's the message in the locker room? I guess going in 1408 01:27:06.399 --> 01:27:09.600 just one game of the time still, or how do you guys, how 1409 01:27:09.600 --> 01:27:12.680 are you approaching this? Maybe now that the season is all out of hand, 1410 01:27:13.159 --> 01:27:16.960 we're approaching this game and the next game as this is a this is 1411 01:27:17.000 --> 01:27:20.439 a playoff game. This is the playoff game, and we're looking, you 1412 01:27:20.479 --> 01:27:27.000 know, to capitalize on the next season. We're building now for next season, 1413 01:27:27.079 --> 01:27:29.720 and we're playing and we're proaching every game like it's a playoff game. 1414 01:27:30.319 --> 01:27:34.600 So for us, it's to be physical, to hit them first and to 1415 01:27:34.640 --> 01:27:39.359 come out fast. That's how we're approaching it. I like that, well, 1416 01:27:39.399 --> 01:27:42.920 Kevin, I appreciate that. I appreciate you making the time and you 1417 01:27:42.960 --> 01:27:45.479 know, getting near the end of the season here, but it certainly feels 1418 01:27:45.520 --> 01:27:46.720 like you guys have the upswing and we're getting everything. You know, it 1419 01:27:46.800 --> 01:27:48.760 was a little messy there. Man. We don't need to get into all 1420 01:27:48.760 --> 01:27:51.239 that, but it does feel good. Edmonton, I got a lot of 1421 01:27:51.279 --> 01:27:55.039 friends up there, you know, on both sides and calling the games is 1422 01:27:55.159 --> 01:27:57.640 up so I appreciate it and that thanks for making the time to that. 1423 01:27:58.239 --> 01:28:00.039 Oh you just said, no problem, and it's so punctual. I just 1424 01:28:00.039 --> 01:28:02.479 want to point that out again. Kevin. Very puncfortable, but you know, 1425 01:28:02.520 --> 01:28:05.359 and it's always kind of a mixed bag, so Kevin, I appreciate 1426 01:28:05.399 --> 01:28:08.960 it. We watch and talk about you guys every week, so I appreciate 1427 01:28:08.960 --> 01:28:11.760 it. And good luck this weekend. I appreciate it. Thank you man, 1428 01:28:15.720 --> 01:28:18.920 huge special thanks again to all of our guests. Really appreciate Anthony Miller 1429 01:28:18.920 --> 01:28:23.079 hopping on after his work schedule and you know all his you know, you 1430 01:28:23.119 --> 01:28:26.119 know, personal life, everything else going on at balancing all that. Really 1431 01:28:26.159 --> 01:28:30.119 appreciate that. Super appreciate far Han making time. Busy guy, and then 1432 01:28:30.119 --> 01:28:33.159 obviously Greg Beach coming on with all of his commitments and Kevin Brown Edmonton, 1433 01:28:33.199 --> 01:28:36.039 Alex. Really appreciate you guys studying that up. Like I said, Edmonton 1434 01:28:36.319 --> 01:28:40.960 certainly one of the best teams to work with in terms of kind of you 1435 01:28:41.000 --> 01:28:44.039 know, providing players and like when Vitor Queed you know, was involved in 1436 01:28:44.119 --> 01:28:46.239 kind of all that stuff. So super appreciate that and that will do it 1437 01:28:46.279 --> 01:28:49.640 for me today. You know, good luck here to the Kraken over the 1438 01:28:49.680 --> 01:28:54.520 weekend that back in the hockey season, should be some good CFL games as 1439 01:28:54.560 --> 01:28:58.640 well. Hopefully you know, far Han's predicting the Hilton upset here with BC, 1440 01:28:58.840 --> 01:29:01.359 so we'll see. Should be excited. 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