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Strive. Yes, yes, I know

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and enjoy the show. I want
to welcome our guests to the show.

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It is John in April from Midnight
Squatchers. Welcome to the show. Hey,

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you're right, thank you. I
am glad to have you both.

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Let's get right into it. Let's
talk about this bigfoot thing. John.

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Let's start with you. I like
to start in the simplest of places.

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Sometimes it's not so simple. What
guy you interested in the subject of bigfoot

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sasquatch? To begin with? I
was probably back in the early seventies,

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always been into horror, flex and
stuff since a kid. But of course

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the passing Gimman film All the Old
in Search of I followed that pretty heavily.

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I was born in sixty five,
so early seventies there wasn't a lot

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of literature on the bigfoot subject.
It was sparsely. I've been into anything

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goes Pampa the night, but big
pols. My poor Kat just always thoughts

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got to be something to this.
As a kid, and being a border

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raised in northern California, being around
that area, there's quite a bit of

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sightings. That's what got me started
into that as a kid, and I

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just went from there. It just
took off. What about you, April?

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Was it meeting John so many years
ago that got you interested in the

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subject? Was Bigfoot on your radar
before you? Guys met and my grandma,

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my great grandma, I was just
say, don't go into woods at

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night by yourself, because they're out
there. I didn't really listen to all

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them. I went out there anyway, and I just like the woods,

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never seen nothing. And then we
were going on a vacation and I had

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a shutting out in Georgia and never
told nobody. Then he was telling me

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about his encounters and stuff. That's
how it at where we are now.

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I definitely want to get into your
siding in Georgia. I was born and

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raised in Georgia, so those kind
of sidings in those areas always fascinate me.

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But John, let's move back to
you. Let's talk a little bit

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about Obviously you were a kid,
you were interested in this. Did you

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start going out in the woods looking
for Bigfoot and that led to an encounter?

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Take us back to where you were, what you were doing, and

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tell us what happened during your first
experience. My dad was a fishing new

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commissioner, so we were always out
in the woods. My dad and mom

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were like Billy go chouting the mom
bay. We'd love to go rock fishing,

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so we were always out fishing in
the woods. As a kid,

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mainly did hiding like foul. I
didn't do to much of the deer or

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any but he had a lot of
different apple orchards and he managed and I

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was able to get out there in
the orchards where I've heard a lot of

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sidings fromm and his friend that lived
right down the road from us, a

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six thousand acre cattle ranch which borders
started Santa Cruz Mountains, where a lot

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of sidings, or even on the
BFRO sites and different areas, there's still

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some reports of them. That's where
I grew up and hung out. So

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I was always out in the woods, and I as a kid, I

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thought I'd seen something, but I
didn't know what I knew. Now,

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we see a cow walking over in
the moonlight on the six thousand cattle ranch

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towards a lake he had out there
by the mountain. I just thought it

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was a cow walking sideways. I
didn't think nothing about Bigfoot. So that's

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a possibility I look back at it. But that's what kind of got me

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into this. As a teenageer,
I would always be I'd run them woods.

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I'd drive around, had a sixty
three and powler, I'd be out.

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I'd pick up any Bay girls guys, they let's just go up to

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the woods. So I I was
always out in the woods driving around.

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I'm knowing of them guys to drive
out through the one two in the morning,

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as long as I can stay out
till I got tired and it come

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back. I roamed them wood Senator's
Mountains. They went up by Lower Prieta

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where the earthquake hit in eighty nine, and all through there. So it's

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a lot of mountains and a lot
of woods out to the Redwoods. I

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was always out there in the eighties, I camped out there. Ever,

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it's some strange noises. Again,
if I knew what I knew now,

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it would have been a game changer. But over the years we all evolved.

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We learn as we go. In
the nineties is where it really started

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hitting me. I was going to
the divorce and had just lost my dad,

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so I'll spent a lot of time
in the woods. Just wanted to

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get out there. It's good for
the health. Again. I picked up

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people, Hey, let's go camp
and let's go here whoever I can find

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that dragon with me. In the
early nineties, I was camping out there

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and we took a walk, probably
a good eight mile hike down places where

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I was born and raised there.
Never went down these trails. I always

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been asthmatic and had bronchitis, so
I really didn't venture too far, but

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I pushed my limits that day.
Thank god, it was all downhill,

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but all the way down hill.
I think we got about maybe four miles

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into the hike and there was a
little metal clearing and I never forget this.

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I was with my son, he
was very young at the time,

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and a friend of my named Rodrigo
and his dog. We've seen this big

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teepee structure over by the edge of
the field by the Redwoods. It was

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just a little clearing. I'm talking
maybe one hundred feet at the max.

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I couldn't make it over there.
It was a real thick rush and he

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goes John, he know what's that? And I told him I don't know,

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but I read stories about these teepee
structures that they put might make and

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he'd laughed to be off, Bigfoot, you and your big butt. He

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never did believe in it. It
was intriguing because it looked teepy and woven

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together, but it was about twelve
foot tall and it was a little opening,

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so that kind of stood out to
me. Well, we continue a

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hike and we're going to start back
up the day he went by, and

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they never didn't make it back up
to the way We had to get a

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ride backed up. It was just
too far. That night we were camp

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and I'm going to start from the
beginning how things escalated from there? Have

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been out. Yeah, you hear
your raccoons once in a while. We're

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primitive way in the back. We're
doing too many campers out there, and

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everybody started retired, going to be
like, I'm gonna have a beer and

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I'll turn in a little bit,
so you guys have a good night.

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So I'm sitting a by myself.
And you always hear them little scury,

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it'll be a scroll whatever. It
gets to you a little bit, and

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I don't get scared too easy.
But I heard this howl and the only

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that I can way related to is
the Ohio how you had that real dragged

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out came way down in the ravine
there in the brother down the mountain,

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had to be at least a mile
away. It was like that real dragged

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out moan. It went on for
a good twenty five thirty seconds, and

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it just got to me and I
thought, I've been out in the woods

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a lot, but that's different.
I think that's what people here A lot

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of different stories in the seventies seen
rod More heads of chatter that they record

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serra sounds, but this was a
moan. It was just different. That

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kind of nerved me. And I
always said in my eyes glued to the

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forest ever since and drove them roads. Fast forward to about to the mid

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nineties. I had met my second
wife and we were just date at the

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time, and I was coming over
the hill and it was probably only about

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ten thirty night, bright moonlit night. We're coming on the pool offs overlooking

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the Monterey Bay, which is a
beautiful place. I missed that place growing

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up. There see the lights of
Santa Cruz on one side, Monterey and

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the other and my hometown walking all
down below. We went there maybe five

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minutes and we were just sitting there, chattering, overlooking and just doing what

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a couple does. And all of
a sudden, I read this bloom right

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against my window, the driver's side, and it startled us. We got

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spooked, and I looked and there
was a dirt mark. If you ever

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see a bird hit the window on
the feathers, that's what it looked like,

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a dirt mark. I am pretty
got you all the time, opened

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the door and got out, and
I was thinking, something's out here.

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I didn't know what. Maybe it
was a person messing with I don't know.

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So I got out and there was
a dirt clod and it was for

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Jenna summer where for a bright moment
and lit it looked like the whole mountains

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let up the road down it's just
like. So I turned the light.

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But there was a dirt clod broken
in three places, real hard where it

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had hitten and broke. Right When
I got out of the door to look

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at the clotter hurt some movement up
on the hill. It's about fifty foot

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it goes up and there is a
house way up on the hill, but

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sparsely have it. They ain't too
me houses around. It doesn't making me

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said, so it was standing up
there by the red woods on this stow

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pine tree, but the pine tree
was swaying back and forth, and the

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rocks were tingling down to the road, the road that goes around up to

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the Malamadonna, the park there.
Later on up the hill, I thought,

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geez, something must have been standing
there. So I started trying to

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figure out. But if he threw
the rock at me, how can it

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do a boomerang and come back and
hit That'll make any sense. I started

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thinking that said she's let's just go. I don't like it here. I'm

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getting the willy Jilly's nice when you
get out here. So I kind of

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feeling that something. You get that
feeling, like that sense of something watching

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you. And off to my left
where that rock had come tord and hit

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the car, I never seen nothing, but I had a feeling something was

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there. Your sense tells you it's
time to go, and we all have

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that, and it happens. And
I've been out in the woods a lot.

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If you feel something's not right,
it probably isn't. We got in

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the car and proceeded out of there, and I just didn't think much of

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it after that. So fast forward
two years ago. Now, so that's

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two kind of incidents. And I
compiled and said, yeah, maybe who

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knows. I don't know. Baby. I hadn't picked up a friend of

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mine and we're gonna go up the
road, and I told, let's just

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go up and we'll cruise around and
I'll had long glass business, John's Autoglass,

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so I had my own glass shop. I had a little try to

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pick up the campus shell and I
go, I'm gonna put a couple of

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beers in the back and we'll go
on the back roads and open the slider

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and when we're way up there's the
way around. We can pull one out

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and have one this cruise some of
the log roads because it's only ten fifteen

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miles an hour up there, so
I usually no one out there and you

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can't get through part times you're gonna
have to back up for wasts it till

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you find a little room to get
by. We had been out and probably

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were out there being at least nine
thirty till about almost one. I'd say,

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you know, we're coming back down
the road. And when you come

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down that back road, it's very
dark, desolate, and its wiggles around

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down the hill and we're about three
corters the way down, almost down to

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the bottom, and there was a
little like creek that comes down to a

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runoff and it cleared up. There
was another bright lit night and we had

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to us arrest. You have a
berry. You had to go sooner later

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I said, yeah, I go
pull over as you're there in there and

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you can get off. We got
off, you see, to go about

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maybe ten put away back from the
truck there, and we're doing our duty.

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Before you can say thing. He
goes. My nickname is jay d

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and he he goes. He starts
stuttering, and this guy don't stuttering.

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He's pointing out and you're looking about
a forty five or gree angle and he

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goes straight down their side, five
hundred feet all the way down. We're

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on the edge of a mountain.
And I looked at him and go,

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what's wrong with you? And he
points and I looked up and I see

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this at least nine foot tall or
foot wire the shoulders, there's no neck.

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It was just like that to me. I always said this Danny Prez

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wrote about in Bigfoot Times back April
issue of twenty two. But it just

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looked like there was just a bump
on the shoulders. It wasn't really much

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of a hedge around, but the
shoulders was what got to me. And

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just it was out in normal.
It just didn't look right. It's just

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huge. But I can see it
from about the thighs up and this things

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swaying and it starts a grunt,
and like a deep girl grunt. What

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swaying? I had one long bud
bottles, only had maybe a quarter of

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that left. I don't know why
I did this. But I looked up

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and I was staring at this day
and I was there me fifteen seconds and

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I look up and I went hey, and I yelled, and I was

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again. I threw that bottle up, which went about ten feet. It

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didn't go very far. It clinked
around, and this thing froze. Now

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my mind, I got out of
there, but I didn't run. Believe,

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when I walked real fast, I
was afraid that I ran. Something

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was gonna Really this thing would have
chased me if it was what I think

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it was. But when I threw
that bottle and it stopped, I knew

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I was looking at something. And
I started hearing what steps crouching through the

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ground, But I never did see
a move. I turned around right when

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I heard that it sounded like it
was coming down towards me. I got

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back in my truck. Never did
roll back up the window, which I

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found out later. I got down
the hill. I was so scared.

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I've never been that scared in my
life. They proceeded down the hill.

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He can only go about ten fifteen
miles an hour down this road. He

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ain't gonna just motor down there.
That's what I wanted to do. But

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there was just no possible way.
I never looked back. I started the

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truck and got the heck out.
I never looked back. I didn't realize

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that the window down to Maybe twenty
minutes later, I got down the hill

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and I fell a week about was
in shot. Like I said, I

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did write about it and Bigfoot times. The only thing I could compared it

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to is my dad would help out
with the promotion of a lot of wrestlers

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back in the day, and I've
met Andrea a few times. He was

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a pretty cant over my head in
a little Montoya. This thing made Andrea

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look like a midget. I've never
seen. How can something be on this

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planet that huge and that wide and
that mass. It just didn't make any

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sense. But we got down the
hill. My friend he had looked at

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me and go shoot. I forgot
to zip up and do what I had

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to do. He just looked at
me. What the heck was that?

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He didn't talk to me all the
way down. He was scared, and

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I told him, I think all
this time I've been coming up here,

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he's been on me several times ago. I think I've finally seen what I

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wanted to see. I don't want
to see it again. It just freaked

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me out that area. I've been
back twice during the day now. I've

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flown out to California's my hometown many
times of April, and we've got a

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little HONDI ret car and I tried
to get down that place at night,

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and I can't do it. I
can go anywhere, I can go by

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myself. I go around the Differens
area til four am, walking sometimes by

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myself, which I shouldn't, but
I cannot get myself to go back down

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at one road. I don't know
why. I've tried, and you get

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about three carlings. It's dark.
I get the chills even thinking about it.

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I just want to turn around.
I just don't want to go down

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there. I don't either. Man, she'd have been down there. She

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goes the way it looked. I
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it's mossy, it's dark, it's
the redwood. So that was the first

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sighting I had. That was ninety
seven. About a year later, I

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had my kids playing in the back
of the truck and me and my second

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wife were cruising around and we had
went out again. Like I said,

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I'd go out there two or three
times a week, just driving around to

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see what I could see him.
And we were coming around the band on

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the other side, this would be
towards the coachs. Coming down the other

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side of the road and around the
bind, there's a I never forget there

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was a little picked white fence that
it was a little road where it narrows

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to one lane. It's just a
little it's got a covert goes on her

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sow. It's real narrow there and
then it turns around the corner. We

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were coming there and we went around
that and there's nobody around, just to

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us, and it's about ten at
night. Maybe it was getting towards October,

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so we got darker earlier. And
I remember my kids were playing in

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the back and they were goofing around
in the back of the shove of the

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truck. As I came around the
bend, I've seen a block and it

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didn't look massive, nothing like what
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It looked real skinny and almost like
a basketball player, but tall seven and

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a half eight foot tall crossed the
road. As we came around, I

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caught just you can see the firns
was walking it's a quick bluer has it

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cross the road and hopped over this
little road and went down to the rhea.

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It was a little creek there,
and I don't know where it went

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from there because it was dark.
This place is very dark and you couldn't

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see. But I got maybe just
a blink of an eye as it just

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bowmo was gone and I go stop. She said, I don't wants to

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stop. She stopped. My youngest
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Now, the oldest boy lives out
there still, he's seen it, my

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youngest. My oldest boy said,
he don't know what we're talking about.

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My youngest boy's seen it. Heause, dah, what was that that dark

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figure that went over. There's a
dark man. I said, I don't

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know. I got off again.
I am pretty brave. I did get

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off and I went to the side
of the road there. I didn't have

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a flat with me and just really
didn't even consider that back then, and

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I looked to go down. You
couldn't see. It was just pitch black.

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I couldn't see nothing. Well,
strange is I started getting like a

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buzzing feeling in my shed and I
don't know what that was. But just

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when I've heard of infra sound,
I don't know whether it feel like a

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buzzing in my head and you get
that sense again, get out of here.

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You don't belong here. So I
didn't stay there too. I try

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to look for maybe five ten seconds, and then I had that feeling and

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I said, no, I'm gonna
go. Just something's not right. So

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we got out of there, and
my second wife were so happy I got

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back in the car. She was
yelling at me the whole time, what

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was that? Can I come out
there? I'm like, no, you

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stay in there. You know,
got the little screen open in the back

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of the camper while you're staying there. But he got in and I did

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go back out there the next day. Then with another frind, I picked

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up wherever I could when I want
to go to the mountains, and I

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did find a partial print. It
looked like you had hit the pavement pushed

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off, and it was probably about
six foot six inches wide and probably about

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two inches deep where someone pushed off, and then it looked like it jumped

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there. It looked to me like
a pig or a cap that went rolling

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down there and squished a bunch of
bushes out and it didn't happen right away,

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though it looked like after it jumped, it was probably about fifteen feet

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and then you can see all them
bushes scattered down, so strange. I

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thought about casting a chance of that
little. I thought it's worthless. It's

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just a it's in the middle of
where it pushed off and left a little

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impression there. But there were the
two sidings that I have actually seen one

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and I do believe they exists.
Because I know they exist. There's nothing

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else that could have been after that. I just would go out as much

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as I could, but just not
that one road the second side. He

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didn't bug me too much that the
first sighting. If you would have been

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there with me riding seen how massive
this thing was, I get the chills

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on each shoulder. And I'm telling
you, I made a cardboard cutouts still

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not as big as that, a
mini one that built her a little shit

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and that's going to go in the
back when the pin and mural. It's

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similar to what I see. But
it's amazing. I can't believe how massive

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these creatures are. It's mind boggling. You're definitely not the first person to

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say that to me. I want
to get into some of the Minnesota stuff

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and some of the research and some
of the pictures you sent me. But

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let's shift gears and go over to
April for a second. Take us to

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Georgia. April, tell us what
part of Georgia you were in, Where

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were you, what were you,
what were you doing? And what happened

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to you? What did you see? It happened in ninety six. I

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don't remember the town. All I
know is with the timeshare at Blue Green.

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Because my boyfriend made the plans to
go on vacation to go to Florida.

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On our way down from Minnesota,
we went down to Georgia stayed for

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a nightcap. It was rainy and
windy and lightning storm. It was eerie

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because we turned down this long dry
really long and it just went around and

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the trees and it was dark.
It was just really eerie. We get

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to the gate, we get the
key, we go in, and we

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get to our cabin that we had
for the night. We smell this really

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garbage smell. We thought, oh, maybe they just didn't come get the

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garbage and stay tuned for more sasquatch
out to see. We're right back after

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these messages. So we got inside
and got settled, and he went and

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took the shower and stuff, and
I was hanging out and checked for mom.

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Say I made it here, okay. And all of a sudden,

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I look up. We got this
fortune. There's like shutters and stuff.

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Can you go upside and stuff?
The shutters were going like this, and

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I heard banging, and I'm like, what is that? So I was

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looking at the TV for a little
bit. Now, all of a sudden

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I heard bang and the shutter finally
came open. I looked out and there

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was this red eye, I wide
wet, black bigfoot, just huge,

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and he just kept looking at me. And I turned away look at TV

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and I look back and I can't
believe what I'm seeing. I look up

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again and I'm like, that's what
my grandma told me what they were like.

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So I'm sitting here and my boyfriend
at the time comes out and he

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goes, what are you looking at? I go, it's the shutters,

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look at it. It came open
and stuff. He goes, I'm going

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outside, and I said, no, you're not. He goes, it's

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raining and stuff. You don't need
to look. He'slee Samson went outside and

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looked and there was nowhere in sight. Was the bigfoot around nothing. I

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don't know if he was hiding behind
a tree or something, because there's trees

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around our cabin. And he said
the shutters came in and he looked at

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me again. He goes, why
are you so quiet? And I said,

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there's a long trip. I'm ready
to just relax here, and he

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goes, but you don't look great. He goes, what is wrong with

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you? And I told him.
He said nothing, and that was that

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and I never told him, never
told nobody about my encounter until I met

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j D and Jade start talking about
Big Bud and his encounters, and then

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I said, you know what that
I had one, and he goes,

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really, And I told him all
about it, and from that day on

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he believed me in And usually people
will think cay are weird and stuff.

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So that's why I didn't say anything
until I met him when he talked about

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it. Yeah, I've heard that
story so many times in so many different

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ways. People have those encounters.
I talked to one gentleman, I don't

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know, it's probably a couple of
months back, and his wife was very

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much like that he had just lost
his wife not too long ago. She

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passed away, but she shared her
encounters with him because he was interested in

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the subject and he had seen one
at some point in time. And I

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just thought how sad that was that
it really bothered her for a lot of

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years, and it's bothered him as
well. There's a little bit of PTSD.

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I think that along in a lot
of these sightings with people, you

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just clam up and you don't talk
about it, like you said, because

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you think people are gonna think you're
crazy, or they're gonna make fun of

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you, or whatever the case may
be. I've said this to so many

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people over the years. I said
it to Bob and Kathy Strain, who

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have been on the show separately,
have never had them on it at the

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same time. But the people who
have somebody in their life that think what

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you want about people into Bigfoot,
who have experiences or just are interested in

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the subject. I've never seen one, but I do research. I do

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a full time podcast, couple of
podcasts about nothing but Bigfoot, and people

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find that strange. I said all
that to say, when you are able

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to find somebody in your life that
you can share that part of your life

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with I think it's one of the
greatest things in the world, because,

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Hey, you got somebody you can
confide in and they don't think you're crazy

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and they don't look at you like
you got four heads. But you also

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have something that shared that you can
go out and do together. And I

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know we were talking a little bit
before we got on the air, John

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that you guys go out together and
do some research. You guys sent some

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photos over and I certainly want to
talk about some of that. So let's

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fast forward to get into the Minnesota
part of where you guys are. Now,

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what are you guys doing as far
as research? Are you going out

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on public land private land? Where
are you guys going and what do you

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find in and what kind of experiences
are you having in the area that you're

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in now? Yeah, sure,
Brian, by the way, you're right

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having a couple together. I have
no dug hijacked for a while now,

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And he told me it's awesome that
it's very rare to see a couple goes

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out and does the stuff. For
you guys are lucky. I think it

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for granted and we have a little
say and imagine that. So if dog.

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You ever see this, imagine it's
just our thinking. So anyway,

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yeah, we're part of the Driftless
Area. We're gonna be working with a

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few other people and we're gonna be
filming down this area in June and I'll

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lead you more of that. I
don't say too much about that. I'm

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making a documentary down there. But
the Driftless Area, we do public land

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00:24:51.119 --> 00:24:55.480
and we got private land. We
have both that we research on where we

408
00:24:55.599 --> 00:24:59.839
researched mainly on and we just clear
out one hundred foot area last year week

409
00:25:00.039 --> 00:25:02.519
camp on it and we have about
four tenths something. You can drive down

410
00:25:02.559 --> 00:25:06.119
in there about half mile to a
mile, then you can research the area.

411
00:25:06.720 --> 00:25:08.359
There's a probably about five or an
acre, but we researched probably about

412
00:25:08.359 --> 00:25:12.839
twenty of it real heavily and we've
had some good luck. But it's part

413
00:25:12.839 --> 00:25:17.680
of the driblest there. We got
live cameras up right now in between Wisconsin

414
00:25:17.799 --> 00:25:22.000
and the Cross down by Spring Valley
and Harmony where a lot of the caves.

415
00:25:22.000 --> 00:25:25.079
They have a lot of caves and
tourist tractions there. But we live

416
00:25:25.160 --> 00:25:29.319
here in Claremont in a rural area. There's only I think twice here that

417
00:25:29.400 --> 00:25:33.720
we've heard something around the area.
But it's a very interesting area. A

418
00:25:33.759 --> 00:25:37.160
lot of creeks, little small towns
around us. We have a lot of

419
00:25:37.240 --> 00:25:41.039
parks, state parks. We've got
one three miles from us, which is

420
00:25:41.400 --> 00:25:45.400
very cool. Another one down the
road from there, maybe twenty miles in

421
00:25:45.480 --> 00:25:48.960
the Driftless area where we goes by
the hour from US. That area had

422
00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:51.839
a lot of sightings. Dan A. Drello is a great friend of mine.

423
00:25:52.279 --> 00:25:53.480
Actually took them down to about a
month and a half ago for a

424
00:25:53.519 --> 00:25:57.480
big function and we had one of
them big four whelers. They got the

425
00:25:57.519 --> 00:26:00.279
tank tracks. We've got through the
call, but we went down in the

426
00:26:00.279 --> 00:26:03.400
middle of nowhere. It's got stuck. But you know, they looks squatchy.

427
00:26:04.000 --> 00:26:08.920
So that area we've had howls.
We've had something grunt ass three times.

428
00:26:08.960 --> 00:26:11.759
In one night, I put my
tent right up against the ravine,

429
00:26:12.359 --> 00:26:15.880
nothing but forest. It leads down
to a creek that's freaky enough. If

430
00:26:15.880 --> 00:26:19.319
I took you the other night,
it's just creepy down there. The farmer

431
00:26:19.359 --> 00:26:22.400
guy that was there said he wouldn't
go down there at night. He goes

432
00:26:22.440 --> 00:26:25.240
the only reason he's coming down there
because I'm with him. He say he

433
00:26:25.279 --> 00:26:27.519
get some weird vibe out there,
and we did have some remote view it

434
00:26:27.559 --> 00:26:30.200
and they thought they've seen something out
there. But we've had some weird,

435
00:26:30.279 --> 00:26:34.839
strange howls. I've heard a scream
one night, saying a lady just not

436
00:26:36.039 --> 00:26:38.680
having a great time, like just
scream atop for along, but don't make

437
00:26:38.759 --> 00:26:44.200
any sense. Some of the farmers
have heard babies cry. What got me

438
00:26:44.279 --> 00:26:47.720
interested in this area though, is
one of the farmers down there. I'm

439
00:26:47.720 --> 00:26:49.440
gonna need no names because I really
talked to her stories or til we go

440
00:26:49.480 --> 00:26:52.519
out there. I'm missing him.
But he was having a big brush fire.

441
00:26:53.039 --> 00:26:57.599
And this would probably be maybe three
or four houses down from where we

442
00:26:57.799 --> 00:27:02.039
researched on this farm. And he
has land too, I think he has

443
00:27:02.039 --> 00:27:04.640
one hundred acres. He was having
a big brush fire. I think this

444
00:27:04.759 --> 00:27:07.960
was maybe five years ago, up
the quite side of a car, and

445
00:27:08.039 --> 00:27:12.759
he hunts his land avidly and there's
forest right there. Then little were the

446
00:27:12.799 --> 00:27:17.160
ways he had that brush fire in
his house in the background, I guess

447
00:27:17.279 --> 00:27:18.480
him and his ten year old kid
was out there and they were just he

448
00:27:18.640 --> 00:27:22.599
was having a beer, listen to
music and they were watching the fire burn

449
00:27:22.720 --> 00:27:26.279
up some brush and he heard something
thrashing around out in the brush there in

450
00:27:26.319 --> 00:27:30.960
the forest. He thought, maybe
once all to get a bear that runs

451
00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:33.640
through down here in southern Minnesota.
But he didn't know what it was.

452
00:27:33.759 --> 00:27:37.200
It was big, stratched around these
tire hears some fronts and some weird like

453
00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:41.559
spreams, and he said, all
of a sudden, this nine foot tall

454
00:27:41.640 --> 00:27:45.480
creature came out and he could see
it clear as can be, just muscled

455
00:27:45.519 --> 00:27:49.319
up, massive, and you see
the face all leatherly wrinkled up, and

456
00:27:49.480 --> 00:27:53.920
it screamed at him, and he
grabbed his kid round the waist and he

457
00:27:55.400 --> 00:27:59.000
telled it to the house. And
he said, but before this happened,

458
00:27:59.000 --> 00:28:02.480
if I remember right, he said, it picked up like a big log

459
00:28:02.759 --> 00:28:04.240
and threw it right by him.
Didn't hit them, but throw by them.

460
00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:07.240
That's where he was standing, look
at them, picked up skidding,

461
00:28:07.799 --> 00:28:10.279
went in the house, and he
said he heard it thrash around for about

462
00:28:10.319 --> 00:28:12.839
twenty minutes, screaming and throwing like
he was upset, throwing a fit.

463
00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:17.400
He sayd he live her ten years, never had nothing like that, never

464
00:28:17.519 --> 00:28:21.759
see nothing like that. Even believe
in these creatures. He does now.

465
00:28:22.640 --> 00:28:26.519
He went the house, stayed in
there Wilson night. I think his wife's

466
00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:27.519
at the time, I didn't know
what he was doing. I think she

467
00:28:27.680 --> 00:28:30.839
questioned that. I don't remember the
whole story I got talked to him,

468
00:28:30.279 --> 00:28:33.240
but I heard it from three or
four farmers. Now he went back out

469
00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:37.200
through the next day. He's got
pictures. I can't wait to see.

470
00:28:37.240 --> 00:28:40.839
It's been two years. I never
had ran into this guy yet, but

471
00:28:41.119 --> 00:28:44.160
he's got pictures. He went out
the next day and found tracks and they

472
00:28:44.200 --> 00:28:48.160
were seventeen and a half inches long, very deep, two and a half

473
00:28:48.200 --> 00:28:52.440
inches and they were walking into the
forest. It came out in a circle,

474
00:28:52.599 --> 00:28:55.119
back and forth. I can't wait
to see these. So when I

475
00:28:55.200 --> 00:28:57.519
heard this, I thought, I'm
going down this area and talked to the

476
00:28:57.640 --> 00:29:00.599
farmer the sun and he goes,
yeah, if you want to come down,

477
00:29:00.680 --> 00:29:04.039
we can hang out. So started
doing that two years ago. Presearch

478
00:29:04.200 --> 00:29:07.480
just became like almost in every other
weekend that we were just down there.

479
00:29:08.279 --> 00:29:11.160
So last year we cleaned out.
You said, arn't food area. We

480
00:29:11.240 --> 00:29:15.799
can get down there and camp All
last year we were down there probably at

481
00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:18.920
least twenty times, camping, just
hanging out. But that was one of

482
00:29:19.000 --> 00:29:23.599
the reports from that area. The
BFR does have if you look up Spring

483
00:29:23.720 --> 00:29:29.759
Valley, they have two reports not
less than maybe five or six miles from

484
00:29:29.799 --> 00:29:33.720
that area where we camp out avidly
now and I have a research area which

485
00:29:33.759 --> 00:29:37.720
is permanent. The land owners gave
a permission we can go out there,

486
00:29:37.720 --> 00:29:38.759
and they say, you got ring
a few people, just don't bring on

487
00:29:38.759 --> 00:29:42.880
a whole tribe. I get it. My dad had land. I understand

488
00:29:42.920 --> 00:29:48.079
that. There's two reports. Like
I said, it's document it. Even

489
00:29:48.079 --> 00:29:52.079
the Bigfoot Mapping Project has that on
there. And we're just maybe about five

490
00:29:52.160 --> 00:29:55.160
miles up from that area, and
it's with it. There's a lot of

491
00:29:55.279 --> 00:29:59.640
farm land and there's trees, a
lot of creeks. It's part of the

492
00:29:59.720 --> 00:30:03.200
drift and it's really unique. So
that was the one that really got me

493
00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:07.720
in there. But there's a few
other reports of a black looking cougar,

494
00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:10.920
which I don't know what that is. A good friend of mine, Chad

495
00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:12.839
Lewis, I don't know if you're
familiar with Chad Lewis. He writes a

496
00:30:12.880 --> 00:30:17.200
lot of books and got a lot
of TV shows. We've met each other

497
00:30:17.279 --> 00:30:19.599
at the Van Meter Festival down in
Iiowa a few times and I'd go there

498
00:30:19.640 --> 00:30:22.440
now every year. But he has
a lot of books out. But he

499
00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:26.079
wrote about a dog man. They
called it a hill haller, a dog

500
00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:30.039
man looking creature. Again, this
is about fifteen miles fro where we researched.

501
00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:36.720
Down by it's called Forestville State Park, whereas thing had terrorized some campers

502
00:30:36.720 --> 00:30:41.400
there, and that's another story.
It looked like a seven foot werewolf basically.

503
00:30:41.039 --> 00:30:44.480
So now you're getting all these stories. They're starting to compile, and

504
00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:48.160
I'm thinking, O, carry this
sounds good in this area. We were

505
00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:49.680
down there, I said a month
and a half about Dan and one of

506
00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:52.720
the guy who they like to fry
up. Man, these guys will fry

507
00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:56.359
up anything. I don't care what
you give there. They was good food

508
00:30:56.079 --> 00:30:59.119
there, having a fight, and
I was talking to one guy, Ben

509
00:30:59.200 --> 00:31:03.119
and he is pretty good accent,
and he had told him to go,

510
00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:04.319
yeah we do. We've been down
research. He yeah, we just on

511
00:31:04.400 --> 00:31:07.920
the land over here. We sold
out to ted acre plots over here.

512
00:31:08.039 --> 00:31:11.400
You're into that stuff. I got
to tell you something. I go,

513
00:31:11.480 --> 00:31:15.279
what's I goes my dad? Well, we were selling off the ten acre.

514
00:31:15.400 --> 00:31:19.119
Plus there's a dam on that side
down there where so and so lives,

515
00:31:19.119 --> 00:31:22.279
and I know the guys. We
hang out together and go down this

516
00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:25.440
ranger and drive around but down then
there. He can't get to it now

517
00:31:25.480 --> 00:31:26.640
it's all overgrown. But he used
to get down in and there was a

518
00:31:26.680 --> 00:31:29.400
damn. So I looked up on
the map and there was like a little

519
00:31:29.799 --> 00:31:32.920
pond or something there. We said
when they were taking pictures to sell this

520
00:31:33.160 --> 00:31:36.440
acre job, and I just heard
this month and a half ago. On

521
00:31:36.559 --> 00:31:38.319
one of the pictures, they took
a picture of something blocked. It was

522
00:31:38.440 --> 00:31:42.119
huge. It looked like a bear. Then the next picture, this thing

523
00:31:42.359 --> 00:31:47.200
is standing up and I go,
what it looks like? Goes, hey,

524
00:31:47.240 --> 00:31:48.440
it looked like a giant gorilla to
me. He goes. It was

525
00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:52.599
huge. I go, what do
you estimate it? Besides? And it

526
00:31:52.119 --> 00:31:56.599
was very wide and big, and
it was on two legs when stood.

527
00:31:56.680 --> 00:32:00.720
He tells, on two legs.
It wasn't a bear. It happened hunting

528
00:32:00.720 --> 00:32:02.880
all my life. Wasn't there.
It had to be almost ten foot tall.

529
00:32:02.920 --> 00:32:07.200
And I went, you're kidding me? He goes, no, I

530
00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:08.680
goes, and if I could find
them pictures, I'll show them to you.

531
00:32:09.359 --> 00:32:12.160
There's another one. I got to
get a hold of it. And

532
00:32:12.519 --> 00:32:17.039
hopefully I can get all this together
collected before we do this documentary in June.

533
00:32:17.559 --> 00:32:22.680
And that is some impressive stuff.
I can't get that surface out for

534
00:32:22.759 --> 00:32:25.079
the public to see. But I
tell you what, we've heard some stuff

535
00:32:25.119 --> 00:32:30.079
out there and then rawl grunts.
I don't know what that was. We

536
00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:32.400
had to hit round between ten eleven
night and about two in the morning three

537
00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:36.880
times it happened. And what was
strange. At night there was no animal

538
00:32:36.880 --> 00:32:38.440
activity, which that's weird, and
I know what kind of goes with that.

539
00:32:39.160 --> 00:32:44.400
Something large is around here and he
has a dog that looks like lastly

540
00:32:44.559 --> 00:32:49.200
beautiful collie. It was sitting there
for about ten minutes watching the forest across

541
00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:52.440
from our little cutouts. I got
appened and cut out and the road comes

542
00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:54.400
down the forest and there's a field
on that side. It was all plowed

543
00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:58.519
up, but then it goes down
to more woods in the creek. But

544
00:32:58.720 --> 00:33:00.720
she was sitting there and then they
go, what's wrong with her? She

545
00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:04.319
sees something. I thought maybe she's
seen a rat boon or maybe a squirrel

546
00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:07.440
or something, which I don't know. Just with her. I see tony

547
00:33:07.480 --> 00:33:10.519
squirrels at night, but it could
have been a raccoon, whatever it was.

548
00:33:10.640 --> 00:33:15.319
She was fixated on this one spot
and would not move. So I

549
00:33:15.400 --> 00:33:20.200
got some night vision and flares and
some gadgets looked around and didn't see too

550
00:33:20.279 --> 00:33:22.480
much. But it was thick bulliage
there. That was the same night we

551
00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:25.880
had the groul, so it was
very interesting. And she sat there a

552
00:33:25.880 --> 00:33:29.559
little bit and then she wandered back
towards us, and then she walked up

553
00:33:29.559 --> 00:33:31.759
to the house. She usually hangs
out with us. I go she leaving,

554
00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:35.759
Yeah, she must be tired,
And I like, yeah, maybe,

555
00:33:35.920 --> 00:33:38.839
or maybe something else. But it
was strange. But that's the side

556
00:33:38.880 --> 00:33:42.880
over here. Now we do have
a lot of ponds and a lot of

557
00:33:43.160 --> 00:33:45.599
wildlife areas right here we research and
go out to. And I know,

558
00:33:45.920 --> 00:33:51.000
right down the road from US,
about maybe three and a half miles northeast,

559
00:33:51.759 --> 00:33:54.079
there's a pond and we fished at
quite a bit since I moved here

560
00:33:54.160 --> 00:33:59.000
in two thousand from California, we've
been down in there. I get spooky

561
00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:00.440
out of her night, so I
will still late fish until left to dark

562
00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:05.960
to about one am. And it
just turned into a wildlife game habitat or

563
00:34:06.039 --> 00:34:07.440
something about three years ago. It
never it was a pond every he went

564
00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:12.360
to it about one hundred and sixty
acres in between farmers, a lot of

565
00:34:12.400 --> 00:34:15.960
brush. We fished that quite a
bit. I have this little scion and

566
00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:20.639
he has a bigfoot sticker on it. I remember coming out there one morning.

567
00:34:20.880 --> 00:34:23.239
We're gonna take a walk after the
ponds and just get some exercise,

568
00:34:23.320 --> 00:34:27.679
and there was two hundreds They had
ponytail hippiece. It was a Sunday.

569
00:34:27.719 --> 00:34:30.719
They were out hunting and they were
just getting back to the truck and I

570
00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:32.320
they go, how you doing?
And said good, how you doing?

571
00:34:32.360 --> 00:34:37.280
And they go what's that sticker for? They see my little bigfoot sticker?

572
00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:39.239
Like I said, bigfoot research whatever, And I go, oh, you

573
00:34:39.280 --> 00:34:43.199
know, I do bigfoot research and
I'm into that kind of stuff. She

574
00:34:43.239 --> 00:34:45.920
goes really and they both chuckled and
they look back down straight face. He

575
00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:50.320
goes, maybe you might want to
hear this, and I said, here,

576
00:34:50.400 --> 00:34:54.280
what goes if you're into that cherry
creature that you're talking about. We

577
00:34:54.360 --> 00:34:57.440
were hunting one day and I thought, oh, this is going to be

578
00:34:57.480 --> 00:35:00.760
good. Already know they're going to
start saved and they and we were out

579
00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:01.960
past the ponds. There's a little
clear in the meadow. I said,

580
00:35:02.039 --> 00:35:05.679
yeah, I know permeer that and
there's a brush line there, Yeah,

581
00:35:05.679 --> 00:35:08.039
I know where that where the trees
are. We're hunting one day and we're

582
00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:14.199
walking through and we've seen something dark
looked like a bear over by the woodline.

583
00:35:14.719 --> 00:35:16.519
So I said, oh okay,
and it came out. So I

584
00:35:16.880 --> 00:35:22.199
got my scope, but was looking
at the scope and it wasn't a bear.

585
00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:23.519
I go, how did you know
that? He goes, well,

586
00:35:23.519 --> 00:35:27.400
I'm a hunter and I've seen a
bear many times. I go up north

587
00:35:27.440 --> 00:35:30.880
a lot two. A bear don't
walk on two legs and come out and

588
00:35:30.920 --> 00:35:35.199
have big shoulders, look like a
monkey. WHOA Okay, I said,

589
00:35:35.280 --> 00:35:39.400
that's interesting. So if you're looking
for that kind of stuff while we hunt

590
00:35:39.440 --> 00:35:43.480
on this side. He goes,
go out that way. So I said

591
00:35:43.599 --> 00:35:45.320
thanks for the story, and he
goes, yeah, good luck, And

592
00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:50.719
then they turned around walked off at
Toypo. Do I believe this or not?

593
00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:52.960
Yeah, they wouldn't lie to you
like no, But I've been out

594
00:35:52.960 --> 00:35:57.480
there for many years and laid up
dan, that's why he's your little crack

595
00:35:58.199 --> 00:36:02.519
brush. That happens. But I
kept paying attention a little more and looking

596
00:36:02.559 --> 00:36:07.000
a little more when I'm walking down
the trails. And next year after that,

597
00:36:07.119 --> 00:36:09.440
we were looking around. I found
a light print and it looked stubby,

598
00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:15.199
maybe about thirteen inches long, not
very big, but the width of

599
00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:19.079
it was and it's hard down there, so you're not going to just sink

600
00:36:19.159 --> 00:36:22.480
in. It was rocky and hard, but it was enough to make a

601
00:36:22.599 --> 00:36:25.039
little indentation in a mark there.
And I don't know if I sent you

602
00:36:25.119 --> 00:36:29.119
that one, but it was a
little pick and it looked very wide and

603
00:36:29.199 --> 00:36:31.840
stubby at the top, and it
crossed the path a little game channel and

604
00:36:31.840 --> 00:36:36.599
then went over towards the creek.
I total epoks. I take a picture

605
00:36:36.639 --> 00:36:38.239
and go, you know what,
evidence is evidence, Whether it is or

606
00:36:38.360 --> 00:36:42.079
isn't. I heard that from click
wreck when I've seen it, just take

607
00:36:42.119 --> 00:36:44.960
a picture of it. Whether it
is or isn't, it's evidence. I

608
00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:46.440
went out and start all over again. So I did take a picture,

609
00:36:46.519 --> 00:36:51.320
and it's if. I don't know, personally, I think it could be.

610
00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:54.559
But that was all in that same
area. Now me in April there,

611
00:36:54.880 --> 00:36:59.199
before they even told me the story. That's probably ten years ago.

612
00:36:59.760 --> 00:37:04.159
I and think anything about anything being
around this area. I just thought,

613
00:37:04.360 --> 00:37:08.280
yea, that possible. I do
believe they used our creeks and rivers like

614
00:37:08.639 --> 00:37:13.000
we do our highways. I'm a
true believer in that. But we were

615
00:37:13.039 --> 00:37:15.719
looking around and I was of a
game cam and I went down by the

616
00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:20.239
creek there and there was a creek
the borders just pond, and I found

617
00:37:20.280 --> 00:37:23.079
this tree and he had some limbs
piled up a little bit and then like

618
00:37:23.239 --> 00:37:28.159
brush, but only on one side, and it looked like something big was

619
00:37:28.280 --> 00:37:31.079
laying in there, and I thought
that's strange. So I started looking around

620
00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:34.239
there and this is like I said, this way before I heard any of

621
00:37:34.280 --> 00:37:37.760
these stories, and started really thinking
about it. In the river there were

622
00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:39.599
starting to fall out. It was, you know, March April, whatever

623
00:37:39.639 --> 00:37:44.840
it was back then, and there
was a deer in there there was laying

624
00:37:44.920 --> 00:37:47.639
half frozen, but it didn't look
like someone. I killed it and cleaned

625
00:37:47.679 --> 00:37:52.639
it. I still had part of
a leg, some skin fun a raccoon

626
00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:57.400
by that right on the river there
like something put something there, maybe I

627
00:37:57.440 --> 00:38:00.480
don't know. But then I found
I can't find that picture, you know,

628
00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:02.960
it's somewhere. I got ten thousand
sty cards. But I found a

629
00:38:02.960 --> 00:38:06.719
little child dog and it looked like
something that snapped the neck on. It

630
00:38:06.880 --> 00:38:09.599
had a big bulge one side,
which I felt bad because it's someone's pet,

631
00:38:10.079 --> 00:38:14.239
pretty looking dog. But it was
sitting there. His eyes were just

632
00:38:14.679 --> 00:38:16.880
it almost looked like Bogie Creek.
We see that cat and it looked scared

633
00:38:16.920 --> 00:38:20.280
to death. That's what it reminded
me. I thought, Man, it

634
00:38:20.360 --> 00:38:22.719
looks like it's next like that in
a bulge. So now I got three

635
00:38:22.760 --> 00:38:27.119
different animals and a little shelter there, and I started thinking right away,

636
00:38:27.840 --> 00:38:30.320
wonder if this is a possibility.
I looked around footprints and seeing thing could

637
00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:32.800
have went in the water and you
never find them. I don't know,

638
00:38:32.960 --> 00:38:37.519
but it was a possibility bringing I
get like a power in her story here

639
00:38:38.519 --> 00:38:43.599
see something maybe there. The last
day that happens, me and Apro was

640
00:38:43.639 --> 00:38:45.960
out there, and we haven't been
fishing there last year much. We easially

641
00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:50.239
go out there ten twenty times a
year. We were there one night.

642
00:38:50.360 --> 00:38:52.599
It was about ten o'clock, just
starting to get real dark. I had

643
00:38:52.639 --> 00:38:55.840
a little radio. I always bringing
a music man. I love music.

644
00:38:57.280 --> 00:39:00.599
So I hang it up the battery
op radio up there on the brushed there

645
00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:02.440
and throw my line in the water, and oh yeah, I go,

646
00:39:02.480 --> 00:39:06.000
it's getting late, you know,
I'm getting tired to call at night and

647
00:39:06.320 --> 00:39:09.400
pack up everything. So we start
packing up everything, and I heard something

648
00:39:09.559 --> 00:39:15.199
just run like you hear the brodet
you're not. You can't see because there's

649
00:39:15.199 --> 00:39:17.559
a lot of foliage there and you
have to squeeze to it to get out.

650
00:39:17.639 --> 00:39:22.840
This little ten foot around bank the
fish on and there is like a

651
00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:27.039
little trailer where you can drive a
four wheeler back there, and then there's

652
00:39:27.039 --> 00:39:30.400
more woods. And I looked at
her, I said, we turned on

653
00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:32.079
that radio. I turned it down
and said what was that? And I

654
00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:37.159
listened and I did hear nothing,
and whatever it was had ran by super

655
00:39:37.280 --> 00:39:40.239
fast, So fact could that be
a deer? But it didn't sound like

656
00:39:40.280 --> 00:39:44.960
it sounded like a person, but
it sounded too heavy to be a person.

657
00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:47.800
I don't get scary getting that little
ebg. But he's like, yeah,

658
00:39:47.800 --> 00:39:51.920
I'm getting a little spooked here.
And it was quiet, dead quiet.

659
00:39:51.960 --> 00:39:53.639
Again, you don't hear nothing.
You usually hear all kinds of stuff

660
00:39:53.639 --> 00:39:55.800
out there. And I thought,
you know what, let's just pack up,

661
00:39:57.039 --> 00:40:00.639
stay by me, are toller and
keep close. And we walked and

662
00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:04.039
that's about ain't from all back to
the car, and I thought, I

663
00:40:04.119 --> 00:40:07.960
told her there's got to be someone
out here, maybe someone messing or running

664
00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:12.280
by her. There's got to be
someone here, And stay tuned for more

665
00:40:12.360 --> 00:40:19.440
sasquatch out to see. We'll be
right back after these messages. The parking

666
00:40:19.559 --> 00:40:22.639
lots but little probably maybe forty foot
radio is just enough to put a couple

667
00:40:22.639 --> 00:40:25.559
of cars in. It's just a
small little When we got out there,

668
00:40:25.639 --> 00:40:30.679
there was nobody there about ten thirty
at night, and I thought that's odd.

669
00:40:30.760 --> 00:40:35.679
But could it be a maybe a
farmer kid or maybe I don't know

670
00:40:35.800 --> 00:40:38.519
it just I keep trying to you
know, de balk as you would say,

671
00:40:38.559 --> 00:40:42.440
just saying that, I just I
don't know. So I'm not going

672
00:40:42.519 --> 00:40:44.880
to say it his. I'm not
gonna say his. I'm gonna say I

673
00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:49.920
don't know. That spooked me after
finding this here and that, so I'm

674
00:40:49.960 --> 00:40:52.039
really going to pay attention. I
think that's why I refrained from going out

675
00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:55.559
there late at night lately. If
you go out to be a driftless area,

676
00:40:57.199 --> 00:41:00.320
unless I see something like I did
in California, I must go out

677
00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:02.360
there. I took a walk out
there last year about three amps, came

678
00:41:02.360 --> 00:41:05.920
back about four thirty. They told
me I'll go out there by myself.

679
00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:08.519
There is mountain lions out either.
I'm gonna go out there. I had

680
00:41:08.559 --> 00:41:12.039
one camera and wanted to retrieve and
we didn't get to it. I'm gonna

681
00:41:12.039 --> 00:41:15.119
go get it. I walked about
a quarter mile down the creek, got

682
00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:19.320
it, came back, and that's
the time where I heard something up and

683
00:41:19.719 --> 00:41:22.519
the trees there moving around. I
thought it was a deer. I snapped

684
00:41:22.519 --> 00:41:25.199
a bunch of pictures. In one
of the pictures, it looked like something

685
00:41:25.239 --> 00:41:28.800
in a tree. I kept that
and I thought maybe When I went down

686
00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:30.840
and got the camera, I was
being a burger. I had it tied

687
00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:32.599
and I couldn't get it up.
Trying to hold flash on my mouth just

688
00:41:32.719 --> 00:41:37.199
wasn't working, and I finally got
off. I started hearing moving up there,

689
00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:42.400
and it spook me. This creek
is like something glass were walking on,

690
00:41:42.519 --> 00:41:45.360
said that old flat rock, and
its really just sound like you're walking

691
00:41:45.400 --> 00:41:50.360
on glass. So I started flashing
pictures and then getting a little spooks.

692
00:41:50.360 --> 00:41:53.639
So I just started singing and talking
and thinking, because I kept hearing something

693
00:41:53.639 --> 00:41:57.440
moving around there, that something's out
there. If I make noise by,

694
00:41:57.599 --> 00:42:00.079
leave me alone. So I started
back up. The heat going down's easy

695
00:42:00.199 --> 00:42:05.480
it's a slow gradual up incline where
you have to keep moving up, and

696
00:42:05.719 --> 00:42:08.079
I do got asthma runkias I've had
since eighteen months old, so he can

697
00:42:08.159 --> 00:42:10.920
get to me at times, but
going back up is hard. So I

698
00:42:12.039 --> 00:42:14.800
was going back up and I kept
hearing this. I snapped a couple of

699
00:42:14.840 --> 00:42:17.400
pictures before I left, and I
sang all the way if I got back

700
00:42:17.440 --> 00:42:21.880
up the camp and going there and
saying, oh, you just you shouldn't

701
00:42:21.880 --> 00:42:24.000
have went, you're you know down
I got back and I told him something

702
00:42:24.159 --> 00:42:27.159
was moving around down there, but
I think it was just a deer.

703
00:42:27.719 --> 00:42:30.000
I don't know, maybe a kyote
of There's a lot of kyos out there.

704
00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:34.920
Bob Kat's been hanging around there this
year. I've seen one, which

705
00:42:34.960 --> 00:42:37.719
don't bug me too much. There
has been mount lions report out there,

706
00:42:37.800 --> 00:42:42.519
which I ran real close to one
out in California's honey. But as all

707
00:42:42.599 --> 00:42:45.119
that said, yeah, it's probably
not smart to go by yourself out there,

708
00:42:45.159 --> 00:42:49.159
you got to bring someone. I
got back to my camera when I

709
00:42:49.199 --> 00:42:52.760
started looking the pictures, just looking
around and just seemed forced. So I

710
00:42:52.880 --> 00:42:55.360
put it on smart TV. Sometimes
I'll do that if I think I see

711
00:42:55.400 --> 00:43:00.159
something, and it looked like something
to me meet you. It did take

712
00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:04.880
up before and after, and if
it was something, it had to be

713
00:43:04.920 --> 00:43:07.880
about fifteen feet up in the tree, so it wasn't on the ground.

714
00:43:07.960 --> 00:43:10.960
It was up on the hillside.
And there's a lot of rock base here

715
00:43:12.039 --> 00:43:15.800
and there, and this is an
area that has a lot of underground caves.

716
00:43:15.840 --> 00:43:20.239
There's one that goes down a mile
down in Forestville Caves where Chad Lewis

717
00:43:20.239 --> 00:43:22.440
wrote about that weird dog man creature, where we've been down on them several

718
00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:25.880
times. It's a tourist traction,
but all that area has caves. And

719
00:43:27.199 --> 00:43:30.559
the reason they found some of these
caves is back in the day when they

720
00:43:30.760 --> 00:43:36.400
first started selling in there, they
noticed livestock gone. Pretty soon farmers find

721
00:43:36.480 --> 00:43:38.159
a big hole and there's a big
cave in the ground, and that's how

722
00:43:38.239 --> 00:43:42.639
they started making some of these tourist
tractions. But who knows what's up there.

723
00:43:42.800 --> 00:43:45.559
I asked them if as Far has
been generations for years, and they

724
00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:47.760
said they know. They am explored
up in there. Said I don't want

725
00:43:47.760 --> 00:43:51.559
to be the first one explorer go
down to cave one hundred feet or a

726
00:43:51.599 --> 00:43:54.159
thousand feet on disappear because you go
down the cave and it is dark in

727
00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:59.480
your phone overk I'm glad you mentioned
the caves because I was on Calling All

728
00:43:59.519 --> 00:44:01.280
Beings Live night. We had a
Bigfoot round table. It was me,

729
00:44:01.480 --> 00:44:07.000
Doug Hichick, Amy Boo, Sabilla
Urban, Scott Tompkins from the Bigfoot Mapping

730
00:44:07.079 --> 00:44:12.320
Project. That's one of the questions
that came up last night was the cave.

731
00:44:12.480 --> 00:44:15.079
Scott is wanting to get access to
the caves, he said. I

732
00:44:15.199 --> 00:44:17.840
wasn't aware of this until he brought
it up. He asked me about it

733
00:44:17.880 --> 00:44:21.920
because I was a police officer for
sixteen years. He said, there's a

734
00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:30.079
federal statute against producing the whereabouts of
these cave systems across the United States for

735
00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:34.280
safety reasons, is what I'm thinking. I think they're probably doing that to

736
00:44:34.400 --> 00:44:37.000
keep people from going and finding some
of these caves and people getting lost in

737
00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:39.719
them and falling and doing all the
things that you were just talking about.

738
00:44:40.159 --> 00:44:45.159
But I said all that to say, the question obviously came up to Scott

739
00:44:45.320 --> 00:44:47.920
was like why do you want this
information? Do you think that Sasquatch are

740
00:44:49.079 --> 00:44:52.719
using the cave systems, using them
for shelter or whatever? Because we were

741
00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:55.480
talking specifically, like in your area. Sometimes it's thirty five below up here

742
00:44:55.519 --> 00:44:59.719
in the winters. Where did the
Sasquatch go? How did they stay warm?

743
00:45:00.519 --> 00:45:04.159
I know it's just subjective and it's
completely out of the left field,

744
00:45:04.199 --> 00:45:07.679
But do you think it's possible that
these things are somehow using some of the

745
00:45:07.760 --> 00:45:10.000
caves in the area that you're talking
about. I do, I really do,

746
00:45:10.199 --> 00:45:14.800
because when we've been down in caves, it's a steady forty five degrees

747
00:45:14.800 --> 00:45:19.000
all year long. The bad thing
about it is these caves do flood.

748
00:45:19.599 --> 00:45:22.360
I don't know all caves, but
you get spring. But if any of

749
00:45:22.440 --> 00:45:29.400
these beings are creatures, I think
they're very much part of the hominy groups.

750
00:45:29.440 --> 00:45:32.280
I think they've been living along est
and very smart, very intelligent.

751
00:45:32.280 --> 00:45:37.159
I think they're almost like a primitive
man. And that's another whole topic,

752
00:45:37.239 --> 00:45:40.920
but I think they do. And
I think that they know when the shelter

753
00:45:42.280 --> 00:45:45.119
isn't feasible to more for them to
stay, and they know when to get

754
00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:47.320
out and come back in. Maybe
there's some parts that don't flood and they

755
00:45:47.400 --> 00:45:51.159
open up. I don't know,
but I do know they will flood,

756
00:45:51.199 --> 00:45:53.320
but the winter time they can't flood. During the spring, but the winter

757
00:45:53.440 --> 00:45:58.320
time it's forty five degrees down there. It stays that way summer, stays

758
00:45:58.360 --> 00:46:00.760
that way in winter, so it's
a perfect place for them to set up

759
00:46:00.800 --> 00:46:05.400
camp and hang out. Sure,
I really do it's a possibility. Where

760
00:46:05.440 --> 00:46:07.039
else would they go? Can they
build shelters? Are they on the run?

761
00:46:07.639 --> 00:46:10.119
You know? I think they could
do a little bit of both.

762
00:46:10.239 --> 00:46:14.719
Really, But I don't know.
That's something I can't even ask you.

763
00:46:14.840 --> 00:46:17.559
As a creature. I'm that massive
with the fur. Does it need a

764
00:46:17.599 --> 00:46:21.320
place to really go in and hang
out for the winter. Can they just

765
00:46:21.400 --> 00:46:23.800
make a shelter and get by it? I think they can do a little

766
00:46:23.800 --> 00:46:25.840
bit of both. I don't know
what your take is on that, but

767
00:46:27.440 --> 00:46:30.079
I don't know. I take the
hybrid approach. I think it might be

768
00:46:30.159 --> 00:46:31.719
a little bit of both, Like
you said, if something has that sort

769
00:46:31.719 --> 00:46:36.199
of mass. And again, Doug
Hicheck was on the panel last night,

770
00:46:36.239 --> 00:46:38.599
and Doug said, but similar to
what bears do. I can't remember the

771
00:46:38.719 --> 00:46:44.920
verbiage that he used, But it's
not necessarily hibernation that keeps them warm in

772
00:46:44.960 --> 00:46:47.039
a lot of cases, it's something
else that they can do and regulate their

773
00:46:47.039 --> 00:46:51.800
body temperature. And keep them warm
when it's extremely cold. Maybe these creatures

774
00:46:51.880 --> 00:46:53.800
have something similar to that. It's
all subjective. We don't really know,

775
00:46:53.880 --> 00:46:57.360
but I think it's fun to talk
about it. So let's talk a little

776
00:46:57.360 --> 00:47:00.320
bit about Midnight Squatchers. What is
Midnight Squatch? Is it a YouTube channel?

777
00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:04.119
You guys got a website? Where
can people find you and find what

778
00:47:04.280 --> 00:47:07.679
you guys have going on? Yeah? Sure, Mainly if you want to

779
00:47:07.719 --> 00:47:09.760
get hold of me, Midnight Squatchs
want itch email dot com if you want

780
00:47:09.760 --> 00:47:13.639
to email me, But most everything
is on my Facebook page and mid I

781
00:47:13.719 --> 00:47:16.599
Squatchs on my regular Facebook page.
You can find us. I do have

782
00:47:16.760 --> 00:47:20.480
YouTube channel. I think I utloaded
something for the first time four months.

783
00:47:20.519 --> 00:47:23.559
I don't use it enough as I
shouldn't. God knows how many videos I've

784
00:47:23.599 --> 00:47:28.079
got over the last thirty years.
I should start going through a little more.

785
00:47:28.679 --> 00:47:32.719
I keep finding stuff from California,
from the Ozark, Minnesota to where

786
00:47:32.840 --> 00:47:36.960
we've been. I will start uploading
more to the YouTube. But yeah,

787
00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:39.000
they want to find me, the
best bet would be to get hold of

788
00:47:39.039 --> 00:47:43.559
me on the Midnight Squatch Facebook page. I'm a night out even though they

789
00:47:43.639 --> 00:47:45.559
get up and do some early work
at times I only work part time.

790
00:47:45.679 --> 00:47:49.800
The other time I'm up late.
I just started a trend. I just

791
00:47:49.880 --> 00:47:52.239
subscribed to the YouTube channel, So
you guys go check out the YouTube,

792
00:47:52.320 --> 00:47:57.639
check out the Facebook, check out
Midnight squatchs. John April, thank y'all

793
00:47:57.719 --> 00:48:00.360
so much for coming on and sharing
your experiences. I've had a black talking

794
00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:02.320
to both of you. Thanks for
having us on it, and I appreciate

795
00:48:02.360 --> 00:48:08.679
it. They say, you don't
gotta go home, but you can't stay.

796
00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:40.880
No, I don't want to be
a world up it. Try this

797
00:48:42.440 --> 00:48:49.000
job that chart. Everything came right
back, ride back Joy for me.

798
00:48:50.039 --> 00:49:15.360
Joy stay right there, come in
right away side Still states still start,

799
00:49:16.360 --> 00:50:01.000
statist still stay still say games and
games still stills things. The state has

800
00:50:01.199 --> 00:50:07.719
a fencing Fast States and fences