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I'm I'm Corey Winfield. If it's the first time you've ever listen to our
podcast, welcome. This is gonna be a great one. We talk about
recovery, my life and recovery, but pretty much just about whatever I want.
And I'm here with Matt s. Won't you want me to say it's
mass Spring. You were on the podcast last year, ye and I had
to educate you about evolution and how we did not come from apes. And
we also talked about ghost hunting yep, and we were going to set up
a time we were gonna go, but then life happens. Yeah, this
has been It has been an insane year for me. Yeah, and we
get busy and then thanks happening. The same thing for us too, you
know, like I can give you all the ship in the world at the
same time, if you would have like called me back on it, like
all right, let's go out and be like, well, well can we
maybe next weekend and then we would have been playing this next weekend game.
I've done it once since last year. Wow, And it was like three
weeks ago, damn. And it was just those like three It was met
the same ladies I went with last time, and just some local cemeteries that
I grew up around. Okay, did you nothing? Did you bring any
recording device with you? No? No, So you guys are just out
there just doing the whole like, well, no, I brought a Wuiji
board. Oh no, I told you don't do that. Don't don't.
So we couldn't break it out because one of the ladies wouldn't let us.
Good Okay, but I've never played with one ever. You don't want to
but that's what everyone says. But you only know that because at some point
you wanted to play with one and did Okay, I did, but I
was like fourteen and nothing happened in the middle of the field and I didn't
really try too hard. But there was a person who I knew, and
she did that in the house I lived in Arkansas and I told her,
don't do that. And I saw that in our house. I could get
that out of our house. And she's like, but I want to talk
to my mom. I said, don't you do that. That's the devil,
and she did it anyway, and then like all this stuff started happening,
doors slamming, fawcet's turning on, Like that's what I want. I
want that, I want that proof, but it doesn't. It's so weird
when it happens. Oh, I agree, it's horrified. No, you're
not even scared when it happens. Because like one time I saw a dude.
I was coming in my house and I looked down this long hallway and
this guy went from my bathroom and I though there's hallway, so I just
see a guy walks past. I was like, well, I threw down
when I was I had, like a vacuum. I threw down. I
will run in the kitchen, like what are you doing my house? Nobody
was there, and I checked my alarm, nobody entered, nobody left.
I'm like, what the Yeah, I've never experienced that ever, and I
want to and I feel like I want it so bad it will never happen
to me. And so I'm gonna bring any tool that will summon the devil,
like, I don't even care if it's a spirit or satan. I
want something. Yeah, oh my god, no you don't because then the
things that are happening and then, like I don't know, it was just
bad news for me. And so I did research into how to safely use
a Wuiji board, and the rule number one is don't do it in a
cemetery. And I'm like, I'm gonna do it in a semtary. I
just can't do it with the people I was with. I gotta find other
people that are willing to. But you're not gonna go out alone to do
it. Can you use Auigi board alone? Mitch? Can you use a
Wuiji board alone? He said, you can? So, yeah, you
can. Huh. Maybe maybe I'll do that though, would you recommend doing
that in the cemetery area alone? Try anything? That's try anything I have?
Okay, Well, well, what are you doing later? I'm actually
later tonight, I'm going on a tour at night of our local asylum.
Really. Yeah, that's awesome, dude. You're in Traverse City now,
that's at the old State Hospital, Okay. Is that the one that goes
under the city or something, or there's some tunnels that you So I've done
it before but during the day, So I'm super excited to go at nine
o'clock tonight. It's gonna be awesome. Nice. Are you going to take
a flashlight with you? I mean, technically a phone is always with me.
Okay, because I got yelled at because I was at this sanitarium place
in Arkansas and I took this woman with me who I was trying to hit
on. At the time, I had no idea that she did not like
men, which, okay, cool, but that's how clue this. I
am on the picking up on it. Yeah, and I'm staying there and
we get done. There's like five floors that they would take us on.
They would take us down these floor It was old, creeping, dirty,
I'm like okay, whatever, and they're like, okay, at the end
of it, we're done. So stand up against the wall and I look
down at the end of the hallway and of course I didn't think about this
at the time, but I can't see very well. And they're like,
don't you see the shadows crossing? And I'm like, oh, this is
little stupid man. And they told us on like floor or five or whatever
they were like, and that's when we started on and we went down.
They said don't stand her from the doorways because they'll touch you. And then
we go through five, four, three, going on into like two,
and I totally forgot about that, and I'm staring against the wall and I'm
like stupid and I'm like kid the very end and I'm like all right.
So I just kind of jumping in line, and now I feel something touched
me, and I was like, what the fun is that, you know?
And and I thought it was the chick that was next to me,
and so I'm like, hey, that's stop and she's like what and I
felt again. I was like stop, and then I grabbed and then she
had her hands in her hoodie. So I'm like okay, that wasn't her,
and I was like, wait, I'm the end of the line,
like who's and then it felt it again and that's when I like had my
freak out moment, like grabbed my flashlight turned it on that people were yelling
at me like turn it off, you're scaring the ghosts. I'm like,
that's the point. You're like that guy who I have been in a deep
into a cave and like we're gonna shut all the lights off and show you
what real darkness looks like. And then the guy like busts his phone out
but not I'm cool on that. Yeah, well I didn't think I mean
that styled get it whatever, man. Yeah, And that's when I was
like, okay, this is there's something to that. So I did just
remember that. So we didn't do a ghost tour. But there's downstate is
have you ever heard of Eloise Asylum No, like in the Detroit area,
and they do like a haunted asylum year round now. But then they also
do straight up ghost tour, like you get to go in at like eight
o'clock at night and stay there until two in the morning, and you get
to walk around doing like they lend you equipment to do ghost tours with.
And that's I want to go do that. Do they lend you equipment or
do they charge you? What's part of the feet Okay, like you pay
money to go do it? Like do you go into this one and it's
like an old state hospital and it's supposed to be supermted. We went there
and did an escape room. So they built an escape room on this asylum.
And like you start out in the padded rooms and you have to play
it's you have to move the panels around to find an opening. They but
they put you they put some of you in one room and they lock you
at the other people in this other room and you have to find it opening.
Then you have to hold hands to like open this thing. It's actually
it was it was really cool. We should do that for free. That
Yeah, I'll be honest. Just send me a link I hook it up.
So I've been wanting to ask you since I saw you posted on your
Facebook, what is up with this Ancient Aliens thing? Yeah? Man,
they're going to be in Calamazoo, Michigan. Obviously, people listening in Pennsylvania
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it'll tell you what their live shows are about. I don't wring you watch.
I watch Ancient Aliens. Yeah, day, what do I know?
The dude's here. It's hard to take him serious, man, But some
of the stuff that he gets to do, I'm jealous, Like he gets
to go to like check out pyramids. I mean, dude's got a crazy
awesome job. So do you believe in ancient aliens? Why not? Man?
Sure? I think so? Yeah. I mean there's some stuff that
they say, and then like stuff that's going on now with lady and person
guy going in front of Congress and the government saying yeah, like okay,
but do you believe like aliens built pyramids? Like that's the part that that's
where I get hung. Yeah, people, okay, how slave labor?
But how yeah hammers like a thousand slaves. If we have to lift up
that giant rock that's a long rope, bro, how do you get how
thousand people on one rope? How long does it take to make that?
Or I guess here's my here's my thought on aliens. Just in general,
I find it easier to believe that they are humans from the distant future than
they are people from other planets. That is what actual time travel is.
Adam and I were talking about that earlier, and so that's that's where I'm
like, Okay, so maybe people just had to go back in time and
build the pyramids to close the loop we could have or they were just like
because in three hundred years it could be so crazy dirty here. Yeah,
the only way to go see cool ship is to go back in the past
and they build these ships and then that ship has like this virtual reality thing
that is linked to someone's brain. And like the ships because they can go
so super fast, well like break whatever needs to go through to whatever to
get here. And that's what we're seeing now is just like I don't know,
dude, it was not a better earlier when I said it. No,
that's kind of I kind of agree with that. But is this So
are you going to this? Yeah? You want to go? I don't
know. I got I fall asleep watching this show sometimes, right, like
good want to fall asleep to Like a lot of times I fall asleep to
it. So if I can't find a good like true crime documentary and like
listen to people getting murdered just to go to sleep, then I'll just like
on some agent Aliens. Yeah, it's it's great. And like I said,
the dudes got a dream job. I mean Aliens real or not.
That's that's cool job. You know. It's kind of like, oh,
so here's the thing. I actually did try to watch some of those ghost
shows, some of those ghost hunting shows. Yeah, those are a scam
and oh man, because they add they added a whole bunch onto like HBO
Max, right like, because they added all those like Discovery Channel shows on
there. And I was like, oh, hey, I've never actually watched
one of these ghosts hunting shows. I've seen all the parodies, I've seen
all people making fun of it, and then I tried to watch it and
I was like, this show has twenty seasons and hundreds of episodes, and
I'm like, how it's boring. Yeah, some of it depends which when
you watch or which when you get into but like this was the one,
I don't know what the dude was trash talking the ghost? Was it?
The Ghost Adventurers I cannot remember which one of the guys, like you throw
toilet seats at someone tried to do that to me. Yeah, it sounds
like ghost and he like just starts trying to call the ghost out. Yeah,
this dude and that dude went to film school hint hint in Michigan.
Yeah, Zach Began's And it's like because they came to Arkansas and there was
like real people that do it down there, and I was like, so,
how are they? How are the dudes? You know? And he
was like, I'm just gonna say that they went to school for all that
stuff, so we'll just leave it there, you know. And I was
like, oh, well, I didn't see it. I didn't see anything
that was scary or they just had to make the drama. And there's one
and I have it on my other board, but it's a clip from Ghost
Adventure of the dude. He was like, I'm gonna go downstairs and I'm
gonna go confront this ghost one on once. He goes down there and then
here's a door open, and goes and then he like starts screaming and he
takes off running and smashes into a wall and he falls down and he goes
you hear all this crowd and he's like, guys, no, And I
just fell out laughing. And I played it for Marnie and she didn't think
it was funny. I'm like, how are you not laughing your ass off?
I'm like, that's hilarious. Like he's looking for a ghost. I
was like, that's like me going, I'm gonna go look for Tyrone.
And then I find Tyrone and I'm like, didn't no, Tyrone was gonna
be here. And I only said Tyrone be cause's stand in front of me.
But you know, I didn't want to, like, you should be
prepared for that. Like I'm gonna go find a ghost. We're called ghost
adventures. I'm gonna have adventure. I'm gonna find a ghost. But then
you find one and you get so scared you knock yourself out by running into
a wall. I mean, sweet, that's a little silly. And so
I have that drop on my other boarder and the wise I play it for
you because you'd laugh. Oh, it's so bad. It was just it
was painful. I couldn't make it through. I think I got thirty five
minutes in and there was like an hour and twenty and I'm like, I'm
out. I've tried. And I was like, maybe you'll be educational,
right, maybe you'll give me some education on like not on ghost hunting,
but the history, because I think they present it kind of as history.
So I was hoping, give me some history of whatever location you're at,
right, like some of the real stuff that happened. And no, No,
it was just like the there's a documentary about the Warrens. Yeah,
and that was good. I just watched that in the night and they were
talking about there was like a house but it was right after Extradists exorcists or
whatever came out, so a lot of people are like, oh my god.
But they these people were having this real Poulter guist in their house,
and even the cops, the fire department all were like yeah, like I
saw TVs moving chairs like opening and shutting, like and it's crazy and like
attracted all kinds of people. And then the Andy Griffith of the city came
out and it was like nothing to see here, it's all hoax, the
little girls doing it, and so it was like wait what and like the
Warrens were like no, that's stupid, Like that house would have been cool
to check out, would you? So? Would you touch the real Annabelle?
Though? No? Would why because I think it's BS So I don't
like, hold on, here's why. I just they Have you ever seen
the video of them changing the Annabelle doll to a new box, the actual
real video of that. Yes, so it's like the Elizabeth Warren Is that
the lady's name? She's yes, so it's her. And then like a
priest saying a bunch of stuff, and then a dude has gloves on and
they like, all right, like open it real quick, and like it's
like they're dealing with hornets. I think, Yeah, the glove's not really
going to protect you, like I wouldn't think, and like they're just praying,
and then they're just I'm just like, this is so much. I
would just walk up and put pick the doll up and go put it in
your little other glass container. Yeah, I mean I could do that maybe,
but I wouldn't talk to it. I wouldn't look it in the eye
like they're saying, if you look it in the eye. I also want
what are the stories behind that? No, I've like they talk someone smack
about this Annabelle Doll and how bad it is, and the movies like their
movies or they're made up, they're fictional. So I feel like if something
is that bad, it would have been been like national news. Yeah,
like if there was really this Possession doll, like that house I was talking
about, like that was like nationally Like they're all over the country like yeah,
if that was that bad, but they they have do not open do
not like it's it's all locked up. We think nowadays though, people are
so like even the guy that was testifying Congress about like, hey, we
know about these ships, we don't know what they are? These sah you
know UFOs? What do you want to call them? And people are just
like, okay, do you see that Taylor Swift dating the guy from the
Kansas Cheese Oh my god. I wanted to go one day without hearing.
Like people are so stupid, Like we're like, well, we're whining that
maybe we should ask them. I'm like, wait, what about the chips
that we don't know what they are, we don't know where they're from.
Should we get into that a little bit more? Like I think people should
be asking that instead. We're just like people are afraid. Oh did you
see who was you know Britney spears and knives and dancing and like again like
we're it'd be scared of that too. So yeah, but it's gonna I
don't know if it's stupidity or fear. Do you really like the further the
more questions you ask about what those flying objects are, the more answers that
you might not want to hear. Yeah, and then you have to think
about it too, Like if the government's given us that what's really going on?
There's that? Or what are they telling us this about? It's like,
hey, look over here exactly you know, like, well we do
this stuff or aliens like abducting masses of people and we don't want you to
know. I mean, meanwhile, they've dug a cave to the middle of
the earth where just they can go and they know this is Baby's blowing up
and they're like gonna be like what movie was at where they like see you
later and like the earth balls up, They're like we just skate out of
town. I don't know, but I mean I would love to be on
that aircraft though, I'm just saying, would you you'd go in space?
If the Earth's gonna blow up. Yeah, let's say the Earth wasn't gonna
go blow up, and you can just go up there and like, would
you, Oh, we should start a rumor the Earth is gonna blow up.
We need a space ship. Now, would you join that space ship?
If you've heard things? People would believe that? No, you think
so, that's gonna be us Taylor Britney Spears and then the Chiefs Guy Chiefs
player may be on space ship and Mitch like people believe anything. I know.
I feel like if you say something enough, there's gonna be a group
of people that do it. Wait till we start this cat Matt other Matt
and I were gonna start this podcast. It's called two Cats, One litter
box, No Cat. Oh no, no, two guys. I know
that was really confusing. Two guys, one litter box, no cat.
And we're gonna be We're gonna be dead serious about cats for like the first
ten episodes, and then we're slowly gonna start introducing like, oh, did
you know that if you shave like a forty five degree angle round your cat's
butthole, your cat will live eight years longer than a bug. Just flowing
my mouth but see, okay, so I call that like that'd be funny
and that's like harmless right like that. But then else something that's trending on
Twitter and everybody's doing it pictures, so let people understand what to do.
It's like that guy who goes around saying birds aren't real. Have you seen
that guy? Yeah? They had him on Fox News recently, So we
could be like that. This would mean it's like you say something enough and
loud enough to enough people, it gets huge. But that's a harmless right,
Like I feel like there's there's some cats probably no, no, no,
but I mean like there's for society, there are the conspiracy theories that
are harmful. We're just kiddings. Come down, we're onto something, Mitch.
Take this free contest about acient aliens poster away. They're coming for us.
We've hit a nerve. Oh man, get in the chop on.
You know I was gonna say that, yeah, yeah, oh lord.
But anyway, well, I didn't mean to keep you. I know you
got it gonna get going and you gotta, you know, do your thing
tonight. But let me know how that goes. Man. I'm really interested
in that. And then I need to get with you, because send me
for real, send me a link for the place down staatesse. I think
that would be a cool event to go to take people to whatever it,
yes and eloise a silence but yeah, yeah, and the ancient aliens people,
you know, like that'll be cool. I don't know if we get
to meet him. But the camils Zoo State Theater they had hooked us up
with the tickets to that so and I think they were like, we really
appreciate what you do of helping people and in recovery and helping people stay sober.
So we appreciate, you know, the camas Zoo State Theater for that
beautiful venue. I've been there. Yeah. I saw the Trailer Park Boys
there, nice and beautiful. I was like, wow, let's just set
down here. I saw my first concert there. Suppultura never heard of it.
Yeah, Clutch, I was like, what the ten dollars on?
It was like, I'm like, where do I go? That seems so
intense for someplace that looks so peaceful? Yeah? Right, Like it's it's
like so nice inside the Fear Factory. It was Fear Factory. Clutch and
Suppultura. Their album was like bite your nuts off, and I was like
what and friends like, you're just getting the mosh pit. I'm like,
I'm fifteen years old. I'm not getting in the mosh pit. Like I'm
just gonna go sit up there and hate every minute of this. Yeah,
that wouldn't enjoy that concert. Although I didn't go to a tattoo piercing festival,
and it was kind of the same thing that could be interesting. People
were getting tattoos on the streets. It's very strange, looked on sanitary,
like where are the nipples. I watched a guy get hooks in his back
and pushed out over. Oh no, okay, yeah, that's a different
kind of thing. I was thinking about some other cancers. I'm there,
I'm there right, like, so imagine exactly the people that were there are
exactly who you think they are, which I'm not saying there's anying wrong with
it, right, but think of the clothes that they would wear, and
then there's me in my polo and you guy stood out real man didn't have
tattoos at the time. Yeah, that was an awkward It was very awkward
for sure. I was afraid this guy was gonna fall off the hooks into
the crowd. That's disgusted thing. Yep, that was fun anther a rock
metal. We can combine those two stories that just start a podcast called two
Guys, One Story. Now all right, all right, well we're out
of here, Matt, thanks again for stopping by from Portapaloosa twenty twenty three.
Thanks to the Diction Treatment Services North, the Michigan Regional Entity for you
know, having us out putting everything on and you know, doing a good
thing for the people in the community. And of course we love ats you
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