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Now one of your pudding. I
got a string going on here, something

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just because my dog. Something killed
your dog. My dog. We're flying

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through the or over the tree.
I don't know how it did it,

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Okay, Damn, I'm really confused. All I saw was my dog coming

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over the fence and he was dead. And once you hit the ground like,

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I didn't see any cars. All
I saw was my dog coming over

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the fence. Happen. What are
you putting? We got some wonder or

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something prowling around out here. Did
you see what it was? Or was

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it was? Standing up? I'm
out here looking through the window now and

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I don't see anything. I don't
want to go outside. Jesus Quice,

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you better hello. Hit the boddy
out here, Quinn, I'm out there.

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I thought of a bitch of about
tech forty nine. I don't know

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he's he announce there. Yeah,
I'm bulking right head. He didn't.

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Thanks so much for joining me for
the show. What You're about to hear

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is the first episode of a series
of these amazing stories that Fred is going

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to share from Alaska. Fred was
a guest on the show last week,

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and he had some really compelling experiences
while he was out in the bush in

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Alaska. You remember his story about
being in the cabin with his cousin and

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his elder where they ended up having
to shoot their way out of this situation

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with the sasquatch surrounding the cabin.
In addition to his own experiences, Fred

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collects experiences and encounters from other people
all over Alaska. He has a YouTube

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channel called Subarctic Alaska Sasquatch where he
shares these amazing encounters. So each week,

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I'm going to handpick some of these
amazing stories and Fred is going to

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share them with you here on the
show. To highlight these amazing encounters and

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get them out there for everybody to
hear. I have a link right here

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in the show notes to Fred's YouTube
channel. Make sure you go over there

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and check that out. He's got
tons of videos over there, and he

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is an amazing storyteller. So I
think you guys are really going to enjoy

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this series. So, without further
ado, let's kick it over to Fred

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and let you hear these first two
amazing encounters. This is Fred and Alaska

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carry On tribal member from Dillingham,
Alaska. I wanted to share an experience

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that happened to us on the Newshghak
River. It was in nineteen ninety four.

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There was four of us. We
all went up. It was just

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above ported. We went to jim
Slough, a little place off the east

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side of the Newshagak River. Those
from Bristol Bay know where I'm talking about,

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especially those who may live in Dillingham. It was into July. There

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was a series of occurrences that happened
leading up to this. The first one

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was we went to check out a
beaver pond, Me and my buddy Rudy

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from Seattle. Also a buddy of
mine who's now deceased, Michael Arf.

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He was there, missa guy rist
in peace. Michael. We went to

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the spot up by Snake Lake in
Dillingham. I'm a Mountain China cap.

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He wanted to show us the biggest
beaver we ever seen, and we're giving

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him crap. Mike with the big
beaver. Anyway, we're guys, we're

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young, and we get up out
there. It was blocked off, but

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they started putting a burm up so
four by fours wouldn't tear up the tundra

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patch up there and the prime berry
picking in that spot. We parked him.

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Were walking through, and Rudy's a
city boy, six foot two,

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Filipino mixed guy, a real city
boy, dressed street urban. We're giving

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him crap about being a city boy
and he get lost in the woods type

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of thing. This guy stuffed.
It was a real light afternoon, very

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light. We were kicking along and
Rudy wanted to prove himself. He said,

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I'm going to take the lead.
I'm like, okay, great,

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go ahead, city boys. Show
us the way where we're going. This

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path cuts through a bunch of alders
and it's like a covered walkway. They

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looked like three or four foot tall
from the road, but in actuality they're

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like twelve foot tall. Alderbrush and
willows just blowing around. So we get

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kicking on back in through there.
As we're going along, Rudy started getting

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ahead of us a little bit.
We were all heavily armed, we were

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young and cocky. We had the
business with us, so we thought.

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And as this trail breaks into the
open, the path is deeply rooted in

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the tundra. There's no mistake in
getting off the path. And there's a

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slight slope to our right that goes
up to a line of trees that cuts

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down going towards the Muskeg black spruce, willow alders, things of this nature.

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And as we were kicking up down
that trail, Rudy had broke through

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on the trail before us, and
we're coming in behind him talking smack.

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All of a sudden we noticed he
was stopped and looking straight down at his

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feet, and we noticed there was
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at his feet. And being a
small I was like, oh, Rudy,

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it's not like the city, bro, there's no doorknob to turn.

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You got to step over those Just
giving him crap. We get up to

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him and me and Michael were both
giving it to him, both barrels,

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just trashing him about being a city
boy, and to mock him. I

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walked around him and stepped over the
log and said and looked at him and

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I said, see, Rudy,
this is how you do it. Step

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over the log, buddy. And
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the look on his face, he
was like, that just fell at my

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feet. That's why I stopped.
It fell at my feet, and he

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was dead. Seriously, I've never
seen him freaked out like that. He

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said, it dropped straight down in
front of him. Me and Michael immediately

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looked for a rotted tree that fell. There wasn't one. Michael pointed out,

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hey, it's dead quiet. Something
mat right, We shouldn't be here,

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and I definitely agreed because it was
very odd to all of a sudden

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this and Rudy was at himant He
said it like dropped just straight down.

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It was the damnedest thing, and
he couldn't wrap his mind around it.

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He was really it touched him.
It really bothered him. These series of

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things caused him to never want to
come back to Alaska. We get out

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of there, it was dead quiet. We didn't visually see anything. This

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got on this creepy feeling, went
with our guts on it, and when

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we got back to the truck,
it's like a little half moon turnaround.

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When we get to the truck,
the winds picking up pretty good. At

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this point, we're all in this
little single cab tote of the truck with

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those who knew Michael Murphy know the
little white toyod I'm talking about. I

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was in the middle and Rudy was
in the passenger seat, and the parking

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brake was down low on the driver's
side. When Michael reached down, he

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had started to rig and reached out
and unlock that. We were just starting

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to itch forward because of the stick
shift over those olders. That same log

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that fell in front of Rudy came
flying over those trees and landed in front

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of the truck. But we hauled
ass out of there. Very creepy.

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Michael was telling us it was a
hairy man. At this point in my

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life, I'd seen the hairy man
scream, run away, throw stuff,

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that kind of thing, but things
seemed different. The log throwing. That's

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not really uncommon, seeing them up
root trees and stabbing in the ground with

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the roof balls up, but there
was just something different in the air.

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So anyway, we got out of
there. Two days later, hear this

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noise on my roof and we're trying
to figure out what the hell is that

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we're renting from the Walls there in
Dillingham, and their old little house was

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just up from Squaw Creek, up
on a little knoll and a single sided

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roof, real small little place.
We hear this walking and it wasn't like

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stop step, it was more like
weight being applied. And then lifted,

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applied lifted, sort of like,
what the hell grab guns? Of course,

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we're Alaskans. Run outside to look
up on this roof and there was

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nothing there, but about twenty yards
away there was a birch tree and a

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couple other trees just swaying hard like
something heavy was on them. Heard some

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cracking, and then heard a thump
on the ground, and then heard the

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thump of something running away. We
had no visual on either of those two.

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This happened looked in two days of
each other, so the creep factor

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was definitely going up. Michael had
the idea, let's go up the Nishgek

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River. Let's go up to jim
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out. See what's happening up that
way, do some fishing, See if

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there's some harbor seals still chasing salmon
up there. We're like, all right,

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you want to see if there's a
harbor seal there or whatever. That's

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pretty far up river for a harbor
seal, not unheard of, but far

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so. We're like, yeah,
bet, let's go. We were adventurous.

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Hey, let's do this. We
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I was just recently married. For
the first time, and my wife had

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to work, so I left her
there. Yeah, I was young and

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dumb. We're out here, We're
gonna go play in the trees. So

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we take off and we make it
up to Jim's Slough in half a day,

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three quarters of a day, dicking
around fishing on the way. A

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Jim Slough cuts up next to the
east side of the bank. The sleu

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cuts up and in and there's an
old, dilapidated cabin off on your right.

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We decided we're gonna go see if
there's some old melting glass, because

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the old timers had that glass.
It looks like it's melting and it's cool

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but whatever, So we're gonna go
inspect that, and of course we're armed.

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It bears everywhere. So we walk
on over there and Rudy's still sitting

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in the skiff, and we had
someone else with us. I'm trying to

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remember, it'll come to me,
but there's four of us, Me and

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Michael, Rudy and the other person. I The name slips me. It's

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been quite a few years since nineteen
ninety four when this happened. So we

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get over to this cabin and me
and Michael are looking around. Everything's broken,

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there's really nothing to find. The
scream bellows down the river. It

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sounded like it was a mile away, but still sounded really close, this

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long bellowing on multiple octaves. It
was obviously a Harry Matt. There was

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no mistaking. Most don't make that
called. Bears don't, coyotes don't that.

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The wolves, don't even porcupines fighting, or rabbits screaming, nothing remotely

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near it. So we're immediately nervous. So we go back out to the

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skiff and we figured, you know
what, we're in a skiff. We're

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gonna rip up river and see if
we can see this thing. We get

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over to the skiff and it wasn't
starting. There's something wrong with one of

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the valves or one of the cylinder
or something. It wasn't firing right.

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It wasn't firing on both lungs,
just out of the blue, which was

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real mind boggling because I know Michael
had just bought that out board the year

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before, forty Horsey Army a Yama. We tend to it, we're looking

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at it. Finally get it started. Now during dealing with this outboard,

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we totally spaced the scream it's not
uncommon to hear those kind of things.

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However, we heard another scream.
This one was closer and right across the

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river, and this is what caused
my buddy Rudy to never want to come

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back to Alaska. As we were
looking across the river, trying to look

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into the shadows because on the east
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From the west side, it was
still pretty high in the sky,

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but everything was silhouetted on the other
side of the river bank. The creep

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factor was a ten, just because
we couldn't see it, but we could

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hear it. That thing was thrashing, banging and making a ruckus. It

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was very creepy. So this thing
comes out had to have been eight and

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a half nine foot tall, kind
of chromagnan old Indian looking in the face,

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with a flat nose, flattened down
ash gray. The hair looked like

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Jimmy Superfly snooka that wrestler how his
hair used to go all over like that,

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but a little shorter, and the
thing was massively muscular. This thing

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screamed, broke a tree, threw
part of it into the New she River,

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and this thing was staring right at
Rudy. Now, Rudy at this

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point is holding a gun and shaking. This dude's six' to two martial

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artists. I've seen him street fight. Dude ain't no punk. He's not

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as sissy or none of that.
He was shaking. I was nervous only

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because this thing was huge right over
there and we're having outboard problems. It

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screamed, looked at him. It
was almost like it was focused on him.

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It was weird because I walked down
the slew a little waist to get

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a better aim at this thing.
We're contemplating shooting. We were young,

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we're guys. This thing screaming at
us. It continues, Hey, we're

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going to put it down. It
didn't work out like that. We didn't

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even get shots off. The other
guy that was with us, I can't

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remember his name. He got to
fix something with an idling tension or screw

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or something. He did some adjustment
on the outboard and so he got it

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fired up. Our attention changed from
staring at this thing across the river screaming

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at Rudy to get an hell out
of there. Now we were backing out

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the sleugh All eyes were on this
thing. The other guy that was with

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us. Man, it's slipping me. I'll remember it at some point,

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but he was on point with the
business getting us out of there. Us

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three, Me and Michael and Rudy, we were eyes on this thing as

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we're backing up into the main channel
to get turned around. Was going along

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the bank, swinging like on the
bank from one tree to another to come

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and stay parallel with us across the
river. It wanted to come over.

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It was a deep part of the
channel. I think it could have easily

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got across there. I don't know
why it didn't. So it's just making

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these weird noises, click popping sounds
and imitating an alphood. We're watching this

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thing do this. Rudy was beyond
freaked out. He was a dark Filipino

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guy. He was pale, white, shaking like the leaf. And me

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and Michael are like, calm down, we're getting out of here. It's

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not going to follow us back to
day telling him. Because of that instance,

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within two days, Rudy was on
a plane back to Seattle. It

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freaked us out too, don't get
me wrong, but it wasn't the first

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time we had something screaming at us
from the woods and throwing stuff. It

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just wasn't again, are they our
friends? I haven't seen it. We

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did nothing aggressive when we got there. We just pulled into the slow,

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jumped out, and walked over to
a dilapidated cabin. We weren't even firing

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off guns or picking the berries that
were around, none of that stuff.

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This thing made its business to come
at us again. What do you do

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with that? How do you make
friends with something that stone shit at you

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and doesn't want to be your friend? I don't know, but thanks for

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listening to Fred and Alaska y'all have
a good one here to share an experience

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with you. That was email room
in moved by a guy named Jason.

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He wanted to remain anonymous, but
agreed to let lose his name. He

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might be back up this coming fall
and possibly do one on one in review

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about the situation. This encounter happened
fall of last year, or south of

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the De Nali Highway. He had
been on a hunting trip with the college

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buddy he was up visiting, and
after the trip he enjoyed himself so much

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in Alaska, so much he decided
I had my wife flying my coo.

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Young boys up seven and nine and
would give him some basics on camping.

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Yeah, it's a great thing.
It took a few days to organize,

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so it was roughly about a week, he said. After a hunting season

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had ended. A lot of the
masses were gone, the ones that really

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show up and go at it for
all the time they have huntings. The

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crowds were down. His kid made
it, and they had planned on just

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a couple of nights just to get
them familiar with camping and setting up camp

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and all the hardships of being in
a remote a asket. It's different than

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you think. His college buddy had
the spare fence, and so he was

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extra protective of his boys and was
worried about all the gut piles out in

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the woods and brought that little protective
bear fence, which is an electrical fence

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hooked up to a battery. In
essence, it's a small bit of a

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protective barrier around your campsite, especially
with kids there and whatnot. So their

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first day there, he borrowed his
buddy side by side a little Polaris razor

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or whatever it happened to have been, and he gets his boys back in

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there, and his college buddy's going
to join him in like a day or

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two to check on him. Their
first day was uneventful. They went out

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ripping around on the players, had
a great time. By the time they

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got back that night, the boys
were beat. They're not used to all

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the fresh air. They were living
in the city somewhere down forty eight.

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So they get everything set up,
and he was carrying the load because they

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were obviously tired and just beat.
And he said it was weird. It

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kept getting real quiet, and then
the birds the trip again a little while

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later, and he thought it was
odd, but he figured maybe it was

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some coyotes or a wolf, you
know, running around or whatever. So

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it gets dark. I had a
good campfire going and the boys ate and

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they were already asleep. He watched
the fire a little bit and goes back

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in onto his cot and he laid
there and he was contemplating what he was

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going to show the boys tomorrow,
show him how to operate a chainsaw,

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and just various outdoor activities that they
weren't going to learn where they were.

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So as he's land there contemplating these
things, he hears something hit the tent

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and he figured, oh, it
must be a leap or twig falling off

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the tree. Periodically, he was
hearing this little tick against the tent.

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Now where they were was south of
the south of the Dannali Highway, down

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off the north fork of the Golcana
River, a very popular spot. Lots

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of people go there every year to
get their hunting, their caribou, their

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moose. Where he was at was
just across. Anyone who's been there knows

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when you come up to the north
fork of the Goulcanon you got to drop

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down this bluff and it's steep,
so if you're not familiar with an ATV,

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you can easily wreck going down this
scene. But he had been there

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before and they navigated it just flye
and once they got across, they found

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a perfect little spot to set up
camp, which was out in the clearing

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but near some trees enough for him
to have a nice perimeter of that their

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fence up. He's trying to figure
out, I don't feel the wind blowing

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against the tent. What's knocking this
stuff onto the tent. It's sporadic.

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It's not a constant. It just
every once in a while he would hear

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something ticked against the fabrica of the
tent. He just off to sleep and

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he hears a loud snap that wakes
him up. He wasn't sure what time

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that was, but the snap he
woke up to, he just looked around.

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Everything was quiet, His boys were
sleeping, and he felt nothing out

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of place, so he drifted off
back to sleep. He said he wasn't

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sure how much time had passed from
the cracking to when something off in the

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distance started howling caught his attention.
He said it was very distinct. It

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was like a howl scream, like
a woman being murdered, but with a

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bear growl incorporated into it. With
his words not mine, I asked him,

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can you elaborate on that? What
was it just one constant or was

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it a constant with two octaves?
What was going on with that? And

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he said it was on two different
octaves. It was high pitched along with

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this bellowing growl going on at the
same time. You got kids there,

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That kind of creep you out.
But anyway, so he's immediately concerned.

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He has protection, he's got his
kids there. He's in remote Alaska.

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Of course, he's got his hunting
rifle and what have you, and a

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handgun. And he figured, okay, we're in the wild. This is

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where you can hear these sounds.
And he thought nothing of it because he's

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really not from Alaska. Had he
been, he write a non typically only

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one thing makes that kind of noise. Stay tuned for more sasquatch out to

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sea. We'll be right back after
these messages. The crack goes on.

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How happens, and he's concerned about
the howl, but it's not close enough

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to really raise alarm. It had
been about twenty twenty five minutes. He

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said. He was laying there and
just starting to drift back to sleep when

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there's another crack and a closer howl. With how closely the two sounds were,

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he said they were within moments of
each other. There was a crack,

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and then it was like a howl
not too far away, but facing

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a different direction, making the howling
sound very concerning two young children in the

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tent. He's not having it.
He figured out, Okay, let me

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grab the spotlight, let me do
a security perimeter check, make sure everything's

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cope esthetic. He didn't want to
alarm his boys. When he was getting

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dressed quickly, one of them popped
up and said, what's going on?

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He said, just calm down on
the check the fire and make sure we

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have it good for in the morning, and there's still some members to work

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with. Kid took it at face
value and just you know, let it

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be. Little boys are curious.
So he gets outside the tent and he

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starts beaming around looking for the origin
of this crack in the direction he thought

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he heard the howling. But he's
checking the little Baar fence perimeter. And

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that time of year, it gets
fairly dark at night. Let's end the

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hunting season it's going into I think
he said it was early September something like

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that. So we're roughly on the
twelve twelve light cycle up here around that

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time. Cause Alanta, the midnight
sun which we reached June twenty first,

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discards tapering on. We lose minutes
a day anyway. So he does his

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perimeter check, and of course he's
got his firearm. He wants to make

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sure if there's a bear nearby he
can make noise or dip in his family.

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So I don't mean to make light
of this, but the way he

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expressed it to me, he was
very upset it and that's not funny to

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me. I've just been in his
shoes. When it comes to being startled,

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he hears another crack off in the
distance, the same direction he had

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heard the howl incomer from that was
nearby. As he's checking that area real

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closely, he noticed a sound behind
him like a oof, and then this

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kind of click clacking chatter, almost
like a squirrel, but he said it

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was far too large to have been
a squirrel chattering, but it was like

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something imitating a squirrel chatter. Then
he heard an alhu. But what bothered

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him about the alho was it was
simultaneous with the click chatter. I've personally

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heard that before, and it just
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Anyway, so he turns his attention
behind him to see what the hell is

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at and he sees eye Shine Eye
Shine with approximately nine feet up and where

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he saw it was about thirty yards
away, right in the tree line in

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between. He was just off the
trail, one of the main trails,

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and it was on the other side
of that trail about fifteen yards, so

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it was about thirty yards total between
the two. He sees the eye Shine,

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and immediately the eye Shine ducks down
and tries to hide, which is

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very common most of the time.
Most of the time, he immediately is

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WHOA, that's a tall bear.
He thought it was a bear standing up

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and looking back at and was just
curious about the camp because again they had

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that bear fence perimeter, and so
he immediately is very concerned. That's a

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big bear. In his mind,
that's a big bear. It's very close.

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I need to get a game plan
here of what to do. I

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got my boys in the tent.
And he didn't know which direction this bear

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was going to go. Try to
follow what this little spotlight and it had

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disappeared. Essentially, he didn't know
what to do about that. He's unfamiliar.

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He knows that area just from the
short hunting trip he was on with

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his buddy, just for a week
or so earlier, and it really wasn't

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his forte He didn't know the grounds
very well. He knew what direction he

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had to go to get out of
there, but he didn't know the area.

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He's trying to contemplate. Okay,
I know the river is that direction

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it went and it paralleled the trail
when the eye shine left and he didn't

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hear a sound, and he thought
for sure he would hear like a bulldozer

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going through the trees, and that
wasn't the case. There was no sound.

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All the sound had stopped once he
put eyes on this thing and he

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couldn't make it out. All he
said is he saw the eye shine and

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then some kind of hair for as
it ducked out and went behind some trees

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and was gone, hair goes up
on the back of my neck. So

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he immediately he's, okay, I
got to get these boys at least be

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prepared. He didn't know what to
expect. He's not a bad guy,

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he's not an Alaskan guy. He
was just up visiting. So he gets

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his boys up and dressed and says, yeah, this is there's what hunters

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do. We get up extra early. We tend to our fire really well,

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and we make coffee for everyone,
basically shining them on, but wanting

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them up and ready in case they
had to ski daddles, and he is

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already plotting on getting out of there
anyway. So they're getting dressed in the

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tent and he's immediately back outside surveying
with the spotlight in the firearm, just

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wanting to make sure his kids are
okay. What he told me was he

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was spotlighting the fence, and he
noticed it was jiggling and there was no

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movement, no sound, but this
thing was jiggling where he had it set

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up on these little posts. I
was like, that's weird. So he

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went to run to the backside of
the tent and looked, and as he

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spotlighted, he sees the eyes shine
and this thing stands up. He said,

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it was very big, bipedal.
He made out the face. He

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said it looked a lot like Patty
did on the close up of the face,

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but the hair on the top of
the head was long, longer,

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and he said he immediately knew something
was very wrong. He felt it deep

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inside him that this is this ain't
right. Obviously, if you've never encountered

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these things and it's there, the
startle he had must have been immense.

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I could just imagine it because I
knew of their existence, and when I

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saw one up close like that the
first time, it scared shit on me.

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But anyway, I digress. So
this thing was checking the perimeter of

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the fence, jiggling the post and
seeing what these wires did, and it

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stood up. He's beaming it and
he doesn't even realize he has a firearm

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in his hand. Shooting at this
thing wasn't even on his mind. It

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made a grunt sound, turned around
to walk back into the trees, which

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was a short distance away. But
he said it moved silently and rather quickly.

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But it wasn't moving fast. It
was just had a long stride and

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it was out of their end of
the woods. So now he's really concerned.

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He saw something across the trail,
and now something behind the tent,

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and his boys are in that tent, so he's getting very irrational. He's

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getting very panic stricken. And his
words were, I didn't know whether to

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shit or go blind, which I
totally understand. You got a couple of

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youngions, and being a dad,
you're on point. He immediately picks up

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the pace and getting them ready to
get the hell out of there. He

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starts up the players ranger. They
didn't peck anything. He had his boys

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get on the gear, get on
the ring gear and all their hoodies and

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everything. And as he was getting
them out of the tent. Before he

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brought them out, he circled around
again with that spotlight. He didn't know

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if they were after his kids.
I'm just curious because there was no outward

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signs of aggression. At this point, before he brings them out to put

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them in the ranger to cut trail, he was contemplating, how am I

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going to navigate this trail in the
pitch black rajor ass headlights. There's no

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right light to light up the sides
of the trail. He's contemplating these things

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because he wants to keep his voice
safe and everything like that. So as

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he's going around the tar spotlight and
all around trying to figure this stuff out,

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just in microseconds he hears another howl
and it came from the same direction

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across the trail that he had first
seen the eyeshine, and it ducked into

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the trees. So this, how
he said, was it's not like a

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woman being murdered along with the mixed
in with the xylophone. I asked him

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to can you imitate it at all? And it was just like, oh,

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mixed in with a screen like a
quasi Chewbacca kind of his words,

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not mine. He hears that,
and immediately it sends a shockwave through a

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system. What the hell? What
is this? What are these bigfoot?

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Wasn't It didn't pop into his head
until later in those moments, he was

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just like, what the hell are
these He's doing all this, and meantime

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he's trying to figure out how am
I gonna have enough light to see off

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to the sides of the trail to
make sure Nuning's trying to get us.

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He makes a decision to hold out
until it gets a little lighter in the

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sky. You gotta understand, going
through the trees in Alaska, when it's

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dark out, it's a different dark. It's pitch black, can't see your

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hand in front of your face,
none of that. He was thinking on

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the side of safety, and since
there had been no outward aggression outside of

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that scream, he wanted to hold
tight a little bit and try to wait

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for the light. He didn't want
to get caught slipping on that players ranger

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just out in the middle of the
Tuley's with no one other than himself.

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As a seven and nine year old
isn't necessarily capable of understanding the dynamics of

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what was happening in that situation.
From what he told me, he told

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the boys stay in the tent.
Stay in the tent. I got to

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get some things ready before we go, And by now the youngest boy was

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sobbing a little bit, really scarce
from the scream, which I could understand

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that that's a very jarring thing to
hear those kind of screams. That it

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is a monster, worst nightmare to
run into in the middle of the woods.

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So he's contemplating these things. How
what's the best way to go about

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this? And now, grant you, he's not a very experienced hunter.

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He's gone hunting down the States,
but he only just recently went hunting the

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week or so before in Alaska,
and he's trying to remember all the little

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tidbits aid as college. But he
had told him on that trip about watching

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the trail, the river rises quickly
if it rains, just typical stuff,

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and nothing in that gave reassurance on
what he was going to do. He

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was very conflicted. He wanted to
flee, but yet he wanted his kids

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to be safe. I totally understand
that he was getting really emotional because it

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was a form of torment for the
poor guy to sit there dwell on these

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things. It's a livelihood of his
kids. It could potentially be like her

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death, and he didn't want to
risk any of that. So he even

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made the hard decision to build up
the campfire and just play camp, make

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some coffee, make some snacks,
take that opportunity to gather together some essentials.

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He didn't pack up the tent or
the bear fence. He left that

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active, even though this thing was
just touching it with no regard of the

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zapfth I don't know, but just
peace of mind, I guess. So

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he gets this an accident to cooking
something, and he just starts telling them

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about his hunting trip from the week
before, just to buy time and mentally

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assess. While he was talking to
those boys his exact love. As they're

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doing this, he said, he
heard three different distinct grunts from different places.

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One was further up the trail,
the direction that they weren't going to

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be going to leave. The other
one was in the same direction the one

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behind the tent went. Then another
one opposite side of the trail where he

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first saw the eye shine. There's
three of these things, he said.

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He started shaking and crying visibly in
front of his boys, and when that

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happened, it dawned on him that
I have to go. We have to

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get out of here. They're not
going away. They don't care about the

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fire. Or that sense I got
to get my boys out of here.

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So he makes that decision. And
it's roughly four point thirty in the morning,

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he said, four thirty going on
five, So there's a little bit

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of light on the horizon, not
a whole lot. Everything else will still

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real pitch black silhouettes in the trees. So he said he made decision.

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He got them to get their stuff
together, showed him how to put dirt

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on the fire, and basically loaded
up. He loaded both boys and that

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side by side right next to them
in the center, little seat belt thing

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that they had. He didn't want
them bouncing out. Now, I've tried

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to use one of these harnesses in
these side by sides, and geez,

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if you don't have a good aftermarket
one, it's digging India. It's uncomfortable

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in that situation, or was irrelevant. I could just imagine how uncomfortable too,

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of them boy squished in there like
that. So he gets them in

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there. He's got the rifle leaned
up and leaning on his shoulder, and

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he'd got the handgun sitting on his
lap pointing in a quasi safe direction.

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There's a lot of bumps and stuff, but he wanted quick and easy access

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to either one of these firearms,
which I totally understand. They take off

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and they're kicking along. He cleaned
off the headlights because there was a bunch

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of mudding to bring on him over
the years, because no one ever really

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cleans their side by side. So
he cleaned off those headlights and had a

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lot more light than he thought he
would, so he was a little relieve

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with that. So they kick along. They're going down the trail, and

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he's trying to remember the trail exactly
so he can navigate it with more speed.

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Well, if they had to cross
the north fork of the Gold Canna,

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and at that time the water was
like fourteen to sixteen inches deep.

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Anyone who's crossed there to go up
into the Alphabets knows that spot I'm talking

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about, because there's a little shack
city that springs up every fall. So

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he's going up this, He gets
across, and now he's going up this

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deep ass trail and he has to
use a motor force to make it happen,

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because you can't just gingerly. You
gotta punch it and boom dock on.

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It's that thing. So he starts
his ascent, and as he's going

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up, he can hear cracking in
the trees. On the high side of

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this trail that goes up the bluff, he can hear loud cracking paralleling him

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as he's going and this thing is
loud. Going up the hill, he

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can still hear that cracking. So
he's senses are peaked high. Now.

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One thing he forgot to do was
grab the extra fuel for that side by

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side, So they drove in with
the full tank, did some running u

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on that first day. He didn't
resell it, so he's got a quarter

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tank once he gets to the top
of the bluff. So what the sounds

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happening parallel to him? Once he
got to the top of the hill,

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he told the boys duck down,
pluggy ears, and he shot a couple

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times out the back of this players
ranger to make noise, just to make

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noise. He didn't point at anything
in particular. He just pointed out and

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up boom, made some noise,
and continued on down the trail. Now

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you got to go past sweed lakes
going back towards the parking area. They

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hurt nothing else after that point,
but he was jumbling along so hard his

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voice started complaining, hell out,
slow down, it's digging in or whatever.

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So he slowed down, but he
was looking at the gas situation,

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so he wanted to get as much
distance as quickly as possible before running out

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of gas. It just so happened
that as they were coming down this little

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gentle hill that leads up to this
gravel pit where everyone parks, there's stuffs

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in their trailers and what have you
in their campers. He runs hot of

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gas, just shy, but close
enough. There's some other people with campers

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and stuff, so he felt a
little more safe. So he gets his

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boys out. He grabs that little
stuff he had packed with. They jump

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in his buddy's truck that he borrowed, and they left the side to side

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right on the trail. He got
them in the truck and drove out of

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there. He went to packs and
there was just one lowly street light there

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at the old Paxson Hotel Lodge or
whatever it is. So he said,

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no, screw this. He went
into glenn Allen and parked at the Tusoro

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there right there on the corner.
Everyone knows it and goes to it until

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I got light. Then he called
his buddy cave. They went, saved

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the side by side and cleaned up
the camp. He told him that the

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boys got sick and he was concerned
for their well being. That's why he

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got out it. He didn't even
share that experience with his buddy from college.

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There's a lot of these things that
happened to people and they don't express

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it, even their closest loved ones. Something happens. I haven't even shared

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all the things I've dealt with my
closest life of one, So I totally

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understand because there's a level of it's
easier to speak to a stranger about it

519
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because you don't want your loved ones
looking at you like you're a kook.

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That's that's the last thing anyone wants, just another encounter to just think about.

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I'm not saying it happens every day, but when it does happen,

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it gets real fast. Just be
aware in the woods. You never know

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what's out there. They say you
don't gotta go home, but you can't

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stay. I don't want to be
happens. Joy this job, that chart

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everything, calling ricket back, pricking
back Joy for me, Joy, stay

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right, you call it right away. Still still still dosssssste passest things,

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us ness,