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Eleanor Wagner. Welcome all to my today's guest is a real life pack
detective turned her own light from prime victim crime solver. She's also able to
get het and what life. Join me and welcoming Psyched Nate Orlean Weber.
Welcome, Thank you, Hello Eleanor, and thank you and am I excited
to you today? Well, I'm hoping we can help others, right,
Oh that's great, Yeah, especially if they're looking for somebody that does what
you Well, I think it has practical applications for every day also, sure
right, sure, Well let's start with your pride suits. I'm sure it
can be a GISs, the safety of yourself, family and those involved.
How many cases would you say you worked on and or so many years of
working with the police. I know I was involved in finding parts for thirteen
cases that led to life in prison for two serial killers and eleven murderers and
an a rapist of eighteen women, the last one almost died and some federal
ones I'm not allowed to talk about. And I've worked on probably a couple
of hundred cases in forty years, but I'm not always told the answers the
result. In fact, I got one from LinkedIn, a detective I have
worked with. I don't know. I just give it and I'm done unless
I know them well and it's not far away. And so this one was
another state and he was just sharing, Oh, I found you, and
thank you for helping it work. And that's how sometimes I find out what
I bet, how you find out that's okay, it's the ones that were
local in the first ten years. And because it was all adjudicated you mentioned
being safe, my town had me take off my number, of my door
number, of the mailbox. They kept me private for caution. And so
the cases, for instance, in my book are the Life of a psychic
detective, all the adjudicated cases, fully adjudicated old cases. I never discuss
ongoing. Everything is confidential as it should be. Yeah, And besides,
I don't want a court case ruined because the psychic help. Sure, right,
Have you ever been a free being accused of the crime themself? Nope,
No, that's no. Never even thought about that. Well, that's
good. Yeah, I think that belief is mandatory. It's to stay nice
and strong in it, and I never worried about that. I was also
passed around by lead detectives in cases, chief of detective, state troopers and
commissioners. So when you get that kind of referral, it's a different world.
I think it's great that their perception do it, because you would think
that they may not be no matter of fact, they asked for me.
I never even uh uh no. I love Nancy Drew that he loves solving
mysteries. But I was full time since nineteen seventy five, and they knocked
on my door in nineteen eighty or earlier actually end of nineteen seventy nine,
probably September October. I had just moved to New Jersey, Bud Lake,
and they found me bringing my son to karate school. So before that I
was still so busy as a psychic and medium and all the rest that I
was full time and a half and raising my two kids. So it was
interesting, to say the least, to be pulled in and suddenly, one
day after I worked on a case, a couple of them successfully right away.
The first one I pointed to, got the indictment, got the confession
all done, and that was weird for me because I had never done this
before, and uh, I wasn't looking to do any more than that.
When did you realize that you had this gift? You tap how it opened?
Yet you wait back when you mean the gift of finding what happening?
Is being a psychic? Oh, my whole life, I never called it
that. You know, you don't think anything's different, right, You think
you're just like everybody else. Well, you assume everybody can do the same
thing, or you learn that you skip rope better than somebody else, that
they skip rope better than you, So it's no different when you know some
things, and sure other people know some things, you just don't know.
They don't know that. When did you realize that you were good? Pred
I don't know that consciously, but early in life I had a spurt by
my side in my crib and he would point out and tell me thinks that
I would repeat them they would be true, and my mother would say,
shut up and go to your room. So I knew that that was not
accepted, but didn't know why. Because I really liked the guy who taught
me. I never thought it was experienced, just that she was mad over
something. What it was, I had no clue, and I never even
had too. I didn't care, and I didn't think about it. I
went back to play. It was gradual when I was six and knew somebody
something happened to. And when I was thirteen, I knew my friend down
down the street in Brooklyn was dying and nobody else knew it. So and
I knew when he would die a year later. And it was the response
my mother gave me that said, this is not the usual. But I
didn't think of anything like that. I didn't think I caused anything. I
got very curious early on, at age ten, I wrote a thesis on
the history of the insane asylum. I wanted to understand psychology and psychiatry and
abnormal psych Early on, I wanted to know why people were burned at the
stake for knowing things. I was curious, but I wasn't upset or fearful
or concerned. I was curious, inquisitive. Did you find that it was
you or with that family that would give way? So my mother's story was
very simple. She woke up in the middle of the night in Brooklyn.
Her mother and stepfather lived in Laconia, New Hampshire, and the rest of
the family did to the maternal side, and she called her aunt because her
mother didn't have a phone, and she said, Becky and Joe just went
over a cliff in a car and to what mountain? And her aunt says,
Millie, where are you? And she said, well, I'm in
bed. She said, go back to sleep. You're dreaming. She said,
no, I'm not, And get the police. I'm telling you well,
lights were out by nine o'clock. On their part, they never drove,
laid or whatever. And so the end got dressed, went to their
home and saw the car was gone at eleven o'clock at one am in the
morning. So called the police and yes, they had gone over a mountain
and they rescued them. My mother hated it. Not that she hated her
mother. She was terrified after that of ever knowing anything. And she was
a manicurist at some point, or studying hair or whatever. And she said,
do you know I didn't even get a quarter tip. This woman gave
me predictions all king true. Woll she hated it, but so yeah,
yeah, I have said fans. When I was a kid, I bet
uh predict things dreams and they were very simp to start. Then I had
a terrifying where I drink of my godparents deaths, and of course if it
was she said, don't worry about the nightmare. And then when it came
to it freaked me out and I shut down. How old you? I
believe it was like left all the time you had terrort codes. No,
no, nothing like that. I did learn about back parts until later my
life. How did you get it in dreams? In my sleep? I
would wake up It's like I would watch the full blown movie if I have
and uh after that and I shut down. Nothing ever came to me again
until the Father Dad, and that came to the wake dram. I was
sitting in traffic, in bumper and bumper traffic, so let's watching the temperridge
when it came and let me go that you just gone oh yeah, So
after it wasn't wakeed. I realized going on here that I really out.
So I know, I'm sure you've hurt people, but I feel like I
have meant to do something that I have to ask yet Yeah, and I
think I made nobing got onto four and so I've been trying to figure right
after. I don't think it's figurable now thought, well, that's the left
hemisphere only I am a prover out insteads not English, I know, but
i'd prove out everything I can do, so for the When I was thirty
one, my son was about three months old, four months I decided things
weren't working for me, and physically I was born with a genetic defict so
I was struggling with that at that point again, and I hadn't for a
long time. Well, I made a decision to start deep breathing, and
then got curious about when people say, what's you were on my mind?
Is that a literal thing or figurative? So I got journals and I made
up stuff. I wrote, if you eat thing, if you were on
my mind in a mental conversation with you, I wrote it down. I
wrote the date, and then when I could afford the phone call, I
would call it say and they go, how did you know? And I
went, that'd be interesting. I took teny objects, right, took ten
objects around the rooms that were gifted to the family, whether gifts it to
me or my kids, and I sat down with everything, one at a
time. I made it all up. I didn't know anybody did anything.
I didn't care. I understood that I had a gift through nursing proved it.
The doctors even asked me to diagnose and how did I know it?
And I said, you can't see it. I thought everybody could see.
Oh well, I had no clue. No I mean, but running a
cute psychi unit opened every door in my life. I owe everything to everybody
there, both the acute psychotics and the staff. The health and hospital offered
me the top research posts in psychiatry in this state. I turned it down
and opened up my practice. I was able to read what was behind the
hallucinations. I was able to read behind the murderous intent. And so I
was doing soul readings. And every psychiatrist there wanted me to do the work.
They loved it, they told me so. And so that changed my
whole way of looking at the lightning bolt that just comes through and you don't
know how it comes and you don't know what it's about. You just know
it's there, right, and whether it's dreams or day, it didn't matter.
But I had no control over it, except in nursing, and that's
when I put together the idea that I needed focus. I need an tempointed
focus in order to know what it's all about at all. I mean,
I don't know though we'll ever know what it's all about with us. So
I kept journals. I wrote everything down. I had a teacher of my
daughter asked me about something and how did I ever remarry? And I was
annoyed at myself of being tried about it to her. I left and I
had this whole mental conversation with her in my head. I wrote it all
down and I called her that night after my kids were in bed, and
it was all true, and I thought, this is really interesting. Sure,
and so people started showing up in my life, and my title Inshrit
Agent of all people turned out to be an astrologer with the top astrologers in
the nation. And he brought me at them, and he bought me his
cousins, and he bought me everybody at night after kids were in bed,
and he'd say, just tell them whatever you see, and so I did,
and I got into trans mediumship through that. But everything was proven out
except who that man in my life was. From the crib to the trans
mediumship. You know, I still get curious about that, but that's something
I'm still looking at. I think you mean the wide which twice he has
a name, but I'm not ready to share that with the world yet in
that way, because I study enough psychology to know egos get involved in everything.
And I when I first found out his name, and I looked it
up and I went, uh uh, no, you're a fragment of my
soul. You're a fragment of my personality. You're something, but you are
not that. And so in trance he was say, no, if anything,
you're a fragment of mine, and I'd argued with whatever it was,
and that's there. I don't know that there ever are on earth all the
answers. I know that there are some ideas and some answers about focus and
frequency and working on removing any fears. And I don't mean the healthy fear
of don't walk in front of a car are here, but the fears that
come in our minds that have nothing to do with the reality of the moment,
they interfere. So I've always worked on that. If you know what's
getting a way of topping that final goal, right, I owe. That's
something that I believe very strongly. Uh, you can change any program inside.
I do believe that we are we are able to do our souls are
right, yeah right. The mind is just an instrument. It's part of
the brain, part of the body, part of the nervous system. And
emotions are they're not our rulers. We can control them. And I love
learning that as against glass is always oh really and mind is always so.
Recently, during a personal struggle, he was really make it sick over it
that I was telliged, you are in control. You can look at it
as your glass is half you have to look at it half full. And
this is a good thing that's going to come to you too. Like you
don't get in that headspee, you know, and I don't feel like half
the ability to turn it a rep see now hmm. I think that sometimes
practical understanding can help. So if he knows that the chemistry of the glass
half full causes a change in the brain and doesn't allow serotonin to be produced
enough, and that's the feel good one. It isn't a matter of well,
I'm just being very realistic. But those of us in meta physics and
physics. You know, we talk about we can create our own reality,
et cetera. But a lot of people need practical understanding of what actually happens
to the mind body, and doctor Candice Pert wrote a book Many and the
Molecules of the Motions where she proved the chemistry of tears shed and joy are
very different chemistry than the tears shed in anger or sorrow. The real difference.
Yes, and so is every level of every anger, from total rage
to you know, just saying I'm angry. Huh. There's a different chemistry
for everything we experience, and it happens instant, so we can change the
chemistry. Many years ago, a wonderful woman was going for a PhD in
nursing and she needed three research people, the people who had miracles, and
so she asked, uh, and she saw me for a year. She
would come up for a full day every month. And it was because I
got off of being given eight hours to live. And I was so angry
at the three physicians who thought they knew everything. That that's what cleaned out
my body. As I lay dying, My anger flushed at home. So
sometimes anger is very effective. I remember looking at them and thinking, oh,
my god, what do you think I am organs hanging in the air.
Never forget that image. They will all argue about different organs and what.
Wow, you have no idea who this person is. You just know
nothing. It was wonderful because I signed myself out seventy two hours later and
refused permission to treat throughout eleven pharmaceuticals down the toilet when I got home,
and to pour my baby and never looked back and became all organic almost over.
Wow. I was twenty five and you've been doing yep ever since.
It's amazing. No. I think it's important that we know what a strong
will can do. And if, for instance, if your husband is a
strong willed in any way, that adds the power to what he thinks.
Mm hmm right, and that's true of all of us. So what do
you want to add power? To want to add power? That's a positive,
sure, right, that's a choice. There are patterns, and patterns
are not easy to change, but they're worth changing. So it's but nobody
can tell anybody to change. Now you can suject it and try and guide
power you and make that choice right for it to have. Yeah, so
you formed Paris psycho Yale University. Yeah, oh yeah, all about Okay,
So doctor Edith Yorka, this goes back to she came as a client,
stayed as one of my closest friends. She was a psychiatrist who loved
parapsychology. She had traveled the world. Uri Geller and many can look him
up. He's still around probably U R I G E L l A.
R. Was brought to this country by Andrea poo Hark, who lived in
Austining. Edith lived in Croton on Hudson. I lived in Croton on Hudson.
Then I moved to Pigskill. She came as a student of mine and
I went, why do you believe? And so she introduced me to Andrea
for Hark, and he invited me to his class, and then Marcel Vogel
and I played with all of them. And that was in what we call
the Faraday Cage. She had and just a lot of wild experiences at that
point. Well, one of the things was Edith was the treasurer or secretary
of the Alumnia Yale University and they asked her to put on an event and
she said, I want a parapsychology event. They said okay, whatever you
want. And so she sat down with me and we designed it. And
then she found out she couldn't invite me, and she said that was awful.
I said, no, go have fun with it. We did our
part. No, you do your part. That was it. We're not
able to call no. But her brother was the president of the New York
Dental Association, who was the head of the president Board of governors of it,
and they hosted annual meetings conferences at West Point, and he asked me
to be there speaker and run a workshop. I said, you want me
to do one? He said, I want you to run a workshop for
all of us. I said, and what he said? What you do?
He was also a stupid mind, and I went, okay, I
mean know what. I had put cards, business cards, and people can
play with this at home. I prepared business cards of I think there was
twenty people at the Board of Governors. Twenty envelopes. Twenty business cards are
people I knew personally that I could answer about. And I made sure the
envelopes you could not see through and they could not open them. I seealed
it and I knew what was in each one, and they can look at
it afterwards, but they were to write down everything they felt as they held
it. After I just guided them in a quieting down nothing else, and
I said, whatever you experience physically, emotionally, mentally, visual, spiritually,
I don't care what, just write to roll down. They were like
a dart wow, right, and I'm going really. One of them,
one of my friends, was a veterinarian and it had a picture of a
little dog and he said, I see a kind of a doctor. Well,
I see a dog, and the doctor must be a veterinarian. I
mean that good at what they were doing, and I realized it was because
and they were shocked, and I said, well, the other people I've
ever seen very good like that right away unless you practice enough or just have
it, are the blind, right, They without everything else and focus.
So the more focus you are in your work, the more focused you can
be, like a laser beam in details. And I think nursing taught me
that. I think a lot of my success in what I do, when
I am successful, is because of nursing career and the teachers and the patients
and yeah, well we all led to do things in our lives that help
us guaranty so that that was purpose. Yeah, well, how easy is
it to find a missing Okay? So one of my students, I teach
a lot of mentoring. Now I mentor a lot of them, and i
have weird sures or workshops and I'm going to finally do an in person retreat.
I'm so happy in the spring. So one of them who read my
book, because I do the missing items in the book when I talk about
missing children or whatever, I have exercises after every chapter to help people sharpen
it. So the missing items I began early in life. When I first
started teaching psychic work. I judged ten dollars an hour. That was nineteen
seventy five, and I had ten dollars with class, and I said,
no, no, don't give me the money. I'll when I have to
step out or little bathroom, I want you to hide the money somewhere,
okay, and then I would have to find it. So I set myself
up that many times. So that comes from childhood. My father loved puzzles.
I love puzzles of any kind, metal ones and anything puzzle mysteries.
Loved it, and so I created my own about missing items, and so
my family and friends would say I can't find this, and I'd go,
it's in a little bloop house in a drawer on the right. Do you
have an upstairs? I didn't even know where they live. Yeah, go
to the right. Is there a green carpet? Yeah? Okay, that
room? Go look. You never really looked well because a lot of people
when you're afraid, you don't really see be coming christ yep frantic. So
one of the things I tell people for missing items, chill out, go
do something else. You know how it's the last place you'll ever look.
It's because you were not in your full mind body when you put it down.
Unless it was stolen, I mustn't lit it bat Because I'm good at
finding missing item, I do cover myself down and say, you know,
I usually have the suppady to help me hide it, you know, Guardian
Angel health Elocating Basically is it that I stopped when youthing else, and then
I eventually remembering where it is, we're finding it right. You also have
a clear enough internal vision that you can run that movie and see the right,
and that helps a lot. But finding things that are not yours requires
you to jump and make a leap into try it. What's the harm true
right, and nobody knows until you do it whether you can do it.
So one of the women did this as I asked her to. I think
she had either her kids hide things from her or something. And she said,
it was so much fun and it's so wild. But I look at
that that part of it as electromagnetic activity. You're a magnet and if you
focus on one thing and don't get cluttered in your mind, that one thing
you are magnet to and you will gravitate towards it, whether it's in your
mind as a vision where it is, or finding it somewhere else. It's
something I've always looked to do about anything. So when I needed an art
book, because I decided I had time ten o'clock at night and I wasn't
tired. I'd need to do something and learn something. So art it was.
It was nineteen eighty four, and and so I went to Barnes and
Nobles and I put myself in a magnets of thought, just art book,
that's all. It was, balances and books all around. Nope, I
only had a vision for an art So I went to the art place.
There were like three aisles, and I went to the second one that felt
better. I walked down halfway, didn't look at the books, put my
hand out and pulled out a book and it was called Drawing with the Right
Side of the Brain by Betty Edwards. And I opened it up and she's
thanking a man named Ronald Myerson, and I'm going, oh my god,
this is my book. Then Ronald Myerson was my first husband's boss in the
research faculty at a laboratory in sam On, Puerto Rico or not. And
Myerson I went diving with him and scuba diving, and I went, Okay,
Betty, you got me. Because they did splip brain studies. That's
where I learned when I needed help when I was paralyzed. I learned how
to heal myself from my vision m hmm. And it was because I had
seen some things in the splip brain studies that triggered a better understanding of how
focused I have to be. Well, that's amazing. Now what life is
bumps in the road, just how to navigate them? Yeah, it is
navigating that. I do believe that. Yeah, And you talk to Adam.
I think a lot of people do I really, you know, and
you love a pet And then They're not a pestimate. They're really companions.
Yeah, just either they may have feathers, they may have fur, they
may have scales. There are companions and they have their own method of communication,
and so do we. But we have a translator, and so do
they. So so you can teach a dog from any language, sign language
for hands, right, or verbal and most of them will know what you're
talking. So they have a translator. We have a translator better than Google.
Yeah, and so because of that we make an assumption. That's how
I began making assumption that what I'm hearing is true. And then so you
hear them talking to you, and you believe you're just receiving a message and
that it's true. And I understanding that each one's different, like working with
people, I received differently. So there was a fun one. The little
part of me gets a little Brooklyn. I was in the haddocks after a
race. The owners of some race horses were my friends, and I always
told them, you know, come on, but I would do anything for
the horses, and they knew it and that would be fine. So one
of them called me and be crystal horse had an issue, and I go
and there were a lot of horses, and there were jockeys there from the
race and whatever else, and one jockey was the top jockey at that time.
Was very annoyed. Don't you think you know everything? I said,
Oh, I'm just telling what I see. He said, well, come
with me. I was finished with the others. I said, okay,
she might go over. And there's this beautiful horse. Oh she was beautiful.
And I just closed my eyes and send love and wait until I feel
my soul embracing her soul, and if she's ready, she will share with
me whatever she wants. And suddenly I got images of France, Paris and
France, and I'm thinking. So I turned to him and I said,
I can't read her. She speaks French. How did you know she's from
France? That's why Brooklyn. I was annoyed at his arrogance, but he
turned out to be a good friend. After that. She said, funny.
He asked me about that. He said, tell me how you got
that. I said, it's so little involved. But she's very lonely and
she's sad. Paul, she needs a friend, and a goat would do
her well. He said, okay, I don't guess we're a goat and
go and is will. Yeah. They love goats really, Oh my god.
They love goats and dogs and cats. They love all of them,
lolling. He lived in a stall on a pleasure farm. They want friends.
They don't all want horse friends. And they know some people don't like
people or some horses horse Wow, you do. And some of them do
better with a different species as a friend. And some of them are not
allowed in racing. I don't know if they are even allowed to be near
each other. I have no clue because I don't know anything about it,
nor do I care too. But I went out for lunch with the jockey
and told him everything about how I got that and what I felt. He
was fascinated and he was very sweet. Turned out he left his ego behind.
He was curious and that was wonderful. I was happy to see that
in him because he was such a good jockey and he got her go I
guess I didn't hang out and find out. Well, he said he was
going to, so I kind of hope he did. Yeah, well,
a lot of them did. The owners understood the importance of that, of
making them comfortable, you know, even though they it's a very different world
than the world I live in about animals. You know, we having the
life outside our door. And I love my chipmunk who sits on my lap.
And after he's been gone a year or so, who's old? Then
the next one. There's always some chipmunk who just wants to be your best
friend. The squirrels who want to be your best friend, sit on your
shoulder, and where's my next anything? Come on, well, I haven't
gotten into because my dog wis the way, but the chip know that.
I that's funny. Yeah, somebody you can't explain to the companion animal that.
Look, why don't you get along with every species? I don't feel
like it. I had built to chase things. Yeah, I had four
cats. One night we rescued a mourning dove baby and they loved her.
She slept on one of them. They protected her outside. It was hysterical.
Yeah, it was really wild to you. See how true it is.
You see all those stories now, you know, on social media and
wherever it is where they all help each other. They rescue, they rescue
humans, they do all kinds of things. Well, sure they've been doing
that forever. They don't go to war with us. Yeah, that is
the humans wlind spoiler yep, that hurt the then well territorial and animals can
be territorial. But they can also be best friends with other things and recognize
when somebody's hurt or something is hurt. I think that their empathy is strong
in them and their compassion is strong. But if you had two blue jays
going up the Saint Peanut, watch out very terrible. Right. But on
the other hand, they'll all tell each other, Hey, the food's on
the floor there, just I'm getting the first one will get out of my
way, and I watch what they do because they all I can call them,
and they suddenly the tree is filled with blue jays, and I tell
them, the one on the lower branch, this is for him, so
or her, whoever you may be. And so I don't know if it's
all true, because I'm not proving it out. But if you do it
often enough, you've come familiar with getting some form of feedback that indicates there's
a connection. Okay, I'll definitely want to think out apple for sure.
Yeah, I think it's really important to start off with a bit of magic,
of assumption that all things are possible. Let's go for the best and
let's see what we get, and we stay with it and we practice.
So sometimes it happens easily and sometimes it takes a while. But I believe
we all have multiple gifts of soul and spirit, and until we apply them,
we don't know. This some importance trusting and all your feelings and trusting
your what your first repression? Do you believe that spirit guide giving us answer?
Is that coming from? So? Actually, I think it's different for
everybody. I don't think there's one answer. I was on a retreat because
I was a part of a core faculty for a place called Interwee that used
to be in in Mars County Summit in New Jersey, and we were on
a retreat and we all was a Sufi master, a goddess worshiper. He
Robert Morris was the founder. He had run the church and then stepped out
to do this Interweave. And they were all talking about how they got their
information, the spiritual purpose their information as it came through, and each one
had a place they went to in there, or being that they spoke with
or whatever. And I said, no, I don't. I was shown
the first three years I did my work by the man who was with me
that you go direct, and so Robert I'll never forget he said to me,
you didn't need to go to anybody, You're going direct, new source.
And I think, well, the soul takes the source direct anyhow,
and if you're getting anything from anywhere else, that's fine too. I mean,
there's no one way, so I don't think there's one answer. I'm
really against the idea that there's only one answer on anything. I've heard people
say my near death experience taught me that this is what happens for everybody,
And I'm thinking, no, I had a near death experience. Mine was
different than yours, So is that one? What's that about? How I
chose to do a form of partly a little memoir on the cases I worked
early on giving the description detectives speak in it. And the reason I say
memoir is because I want people to the steps we took and the steps I
took and how it impacted. Because we get triggers, you know, when
we see things that remind us of other things we're triggering, and how we
address them. And then I like helping people learn that you can do anything,
just give it a shot, and so after every chapter, I've got
exercises for everybody for their soul and like missing items, but all kinds based
on the stories. And so there are stories that are true that happened,
and some of the people. If you want to check out my YouTube channel
at soul Talk with Me, you just punch in my name and it'll come
up. And George Duker is one of the detectives I work with on one
of the cases in the story of a young girl murdered in Long Valley,
and Bill Hughes is the one I worked with a case that many people in
New Jersey state remember the national headlines. Unfortunately it was serial murderer James Kadavitch,
and that's in the book. And all of them are still my friends.
So that's mine. We're very close. I just did the baby blessing
last year for Bill Hus's granddaughter, and so, yeah, George and I
talk a lot. All the people I worked with back then were still very
close, and some of the victims' families I'm still very close with. Oh
that's good. Yeah, oh God. Brooks wrote one of the best songs
on it, to me standing in the fire, don't stand outside of it.
Get right inside. There's nothing. There's no reality until you are in
the present. So whatever it is, it is. And so that book
came about because I've attempted to write a few times on it and I thought,
oh god, I don't know how to write it all it was awful
and I put them mainly for clients and they were not well written, but
they told the stories. So this one was edited, etceter better. And
then all Nature Speaks. It has a few crime cases in it with animals
and also several missing animals. You know, I show the difference between why
one is missing and another is missing, their different reasons, which is fascinating
to me. And then of course speaking with our own beloved companions, and
I think it's really important. And one of them, the horse. As
I talked, I had never met a horse before a woman named Glinda Heppern
saw me in a newspaper article about psychic communicates with animals. As soon as
I moved into Jersey, somebody wrote it and she called and I had never
been near a horse. And that was the first horse I ever worked with.
A mayor and he's in my book, And what that do? The
animals are my teachers because they show us a different culture of belonging. Uh
and we know that we know most of them are will do anything and stay
loving no matter what. They're in pain. Sometimes they're loving, and so
they can be the greatest teachers I've ever met. I believe that now me
too. Well. You love for private sessions, you do mentor as well?
Right. I do mentoring sessions a lot, and that means that the
clients have a little weake sometimes because I don't do many per week, I
find I have a lot of different projects. I also am a certified clinical
Room of therapy therapist that I teach, and I wrote a health freedom church,
and I learn ordination programs. When people be ministers, you're a multitasker.
I love all of it. It create semplification programs and I love it.
It's all fun. It's all for finding out, diving deep within one
soul and finding what's there, you know, and creativity. I think it's
really important. And I tell everybody listening, if you're probably much younger than
Annie, I'll turn eighty in a few months. Oh my goodness, Oh
would it never gat? I look, I don't feel it, but I
know it, and I think that it's really important to always learn. I
don't care what it is, just learn. I learned that one back in
the seventies from a great psychic Discoveries Behind the Iron Curtain. The authors when
Schroeder and shiloh' strander became friends me and all the research showed in soup and
binormal music we now have comes from the research in Bulgaria that they brought back,
and all of it says, you want longevity, do you want clarity?
Keep keep the brain alive? And how you do that? So I
also take supplements to affect microcirculation blood for the brain to improve. I use
essential oils that I know specifically that keep my brain organized. I love it,
and every room is diffused with them. So I keep everything clean,
the air is purified and blah blah blah blah. So everything is about do
I want to be somebody who can't remember things and can't think? So that's
great. I think it's more important than being psycho. I think it is
whatever gifts you have inside need to come out. And sometimes if we get
to live wrong, if we're blessed with another day, we have to make
it all count for us and then for the world. That includes all the
loved ones. Of course, thank you so much for joining me today,
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