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well. Did you see by the
way Tiger's loose by a run? Yesterday?

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Javier Biaz did not start at short
again. Have you seen his numbers

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as of late? I'm numb to
them whatever they are. Okay, you're

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ready for this? Yes, hit
me, I think quite honestly, Trent,

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I think this is getting lost.
I do. I think it's getting

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lost. I think people have moved
on. They are so resigned to the

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fact that he is this bad and
that he's not going to be with this

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team next year. I don't know
that it would be a lot to buy

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him out, but they've come.
They've just resigned themselves to the fact that

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this team needs better hitting. Spencer
Torkolsen hasn't been what they expected this year.

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They are laying the blame elsewhere because
Bias isn't playing well. And I

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also I think fans are just so
fatigued by it, for lack of a

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better word, like they're just so
numb to it. And I'm not saying

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that's right or wrong, right,
different, whatever, It's just at some

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point, it's three years of this
and it's getting worse. So I mean,

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how else can you deal with it
other than ignore it. No,

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it's a fair point, and I
think you're right. But you know what,

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they don't seem to be getting get
fatigued about complaining about the Pistons.

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They sure weren't fatigued about complaining about
Matthew Stafford, and they haven't been fatigued

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about complaining about Spencer Torklesen. I
think a lot of it has to do

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the fact that he doesn't play very
much. He's six for his last fifty

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nine showed us that's one oh one. That's so bad. The six hits,

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how many of were singles? Do
you think? Five? Correct?

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He has one extra base hit and
two RBIs since May twenty sixth. It's

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almost July twenty sixth, Yeah,
in two months. How's your summer going?

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Hobby, just wondering think about that
in two months he has two RBIs.

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We haven't said it nearly enough.
I don't mean to be one of

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those guys who constantly picks on him. It's low hanging fruit. Think of

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how much better this team would be. Look, you know how I feel

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pie in the sky stuff. But
this team offensively has started to turn it

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around. Is it too late?
In all likelihood only because the other teams

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have been playing so steady and I
quite honestly I didn't expect it. There's

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no way I thought that Kansas City
and Cleveland and Minnesota could do this.

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It's one of the biggest surprises in
baseball the as. Yeah, I think

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so. Yeah, I think it's
the big From a positive standpoint, it

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has been the biggest. Kansas City
already has as many wins this year and

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we're not through the calendar of July
as they had all of last year.

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That's how good they've been. Okay, Cleveland with sixty wins. We always

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talk about Baltimore, Oh, look
at how great their talent is, and

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it is. It's really impressive.
We talk about the Yankees and the payroll.

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Right, sixty wins Cleveland has the
same number of wins as those two

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teams. They have one fewer than
the almighty Dodgers. Think of that baseball,

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Actually, if you look at it, is it a really good spot.

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Milwaukee doesn't get nearly enough. Pub
They've got fifty eight wins, really

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impressive. But anyway, Hovey or
Bias, I think we've just kind of

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we've kind of looked at it and
said, ah, it's not worth talking

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about anymore because there's nothing we can
do about it. Shep let's reach the

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point that I laugh. I laugh
when he swings and misses at low on

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outside pitches and strikes out twice a
game because it reminds me of that old

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saying if you don't laugh, you'll
cry. Right well, I get it.

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I just wish there was something the
Tiger could do about it. But

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think of this. With the year
Green has had, and I think Matt

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Vierling has played really well on the
com is Cole Keith Jake Rogers over the

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last couple of weeks has been much
better. I still don't think he's the

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answer, but much better. If
you got any production from shortstop and first

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Baiaz and Torklesen, Yes went healthy. Think of how or where this team

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may be. I'm not suggesting they'd
have even fifty five wins like Minnesota,

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Okay, but I'm telling you,
man, it would be a hell of

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a lot more enjoyable summer to watch
how much closer this team would be than

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where they are right now at eleven
games back. And those two guys,

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Shep, I think you hit the
nail on the head because Tarkleson and Bayas

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they have different problems slightly, but
it's too sides are the same coin.

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They just can't hit. And for
Torque it's more of a power issue,

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and for Hobby it's just he's straight
up can't hit the ball. Yeah.

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For Torklsen, I think it's more
of a mental thing than anything else.

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Again, I don't know would they
have been better? What's hurt them this

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year? What's hurt them? Right
handed pitching? Okay, they're thirty eight

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and forty three against righties, so
that's hurt them. And obviously they never

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seem to play well against the West. Would they be a better than seven

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and thirteen against the Western Division?
Who knows? Can we pinpoint one specific

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game where they would have won instead
they lost? I can't I just I

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think logic tells you that those two
guys. If Torkolsen was playing like it

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was last year and if Baiez was
similar, I don't expect him to be.

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You know, what he did with
the Cubs, that's really not probably

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logical at all. I mean,
you'd love it. It's the reason they

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made the signing in the first place, right, that was the expectation,

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that was the hope. Anyway,
when people said, hey, listen,

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finish second in the MVP in twenty
eighteen, that's what we all boasted about.

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Two ninety hit thirty four bombs,
drove into league high one hundred and

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eleven runs. I mean, anybody
who thought you were getting that wasn't living

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in reality because that's not who he
was. You're sure as hell didn't want

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him to be the same guy he
was in twenty twenty one when he led

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the league in strikeouts with one hundred
and eighty four. And I remember that

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was a huge part of the narrative
when he came over here. Chep was

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to your point, we remember the
whole shortstop sweepstakes, say that ten times

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fast of that season, right,
And the whole thing with Hobby was well,

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he strikes out a lot, but
he's great in the field. And

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if you could ask one hundred Tigers
fans, one hundred of them would take

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that contract back right now. Oh, without a doubt, one hundred and

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one. You'd be an idiot if
you didn't. You know, he is

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really good in the field. It's
his throwing that's a problem, yes,

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and that's always concerned me. But
this is a guy. I mean,

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you do your homework. He averages
one hundred and seventy plus strikeouts. I

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don't know exactly what it is,
but one hundred and seventy plus strikeouts a

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year, that's what I mean.
That's that's a slew oft strikeouts man.

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Too much swing and miss. You
can relive it all you want, it

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doesn't make any sense. All you're
doing is all you're doing is wasting time.

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I'm just stunned at the recent numbers, and that just two The one

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that stuck out for me is that
it's been two months, full two months,

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and he's got just two RBIs.
Just two RBIs since two months ago.

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I don't know what the solution is. They got to be pulling their

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hair out every single day knowing they're
going to that they're going to have to

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eat twenty five million next year and
twenty four million in each of the next

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two years. I know you and
I would love to see them buy that

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and buy it out, Okay,
I would didn't like the contract when it

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was signed. Gotten a big debate
with somebody within the Tigers organization when they

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signed him, and didn't like it. But how you gonna eed seventy three

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an American spoon. Some encouraging sign
for were the Pistons, and that is

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this when CBS Sports went out and
looked at all the Summer League games and

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graded a lot of the first round
picks. Certain players were better than certain

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others. If you watched any of
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of Washington, for example, really
struggled. He was the number two overall

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pick. Reed Sheppard was probably the
best player in the Las Vegas Summer League.

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He was clearly the best three point
shooter in the draft class and during

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the Summer League as well. What
they gave Ron Holland for the Pistons,

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this is what they wrote in a
B plus grade. Holland is going to

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be an interesting situation in Detroit.
He's one of the top players in the

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class based on upside pure talent,
but there are questions about a long term

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fit with the Pistons due to his
skill set. What is that? What

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is the question? If the guy's
got a really good skill now he doesn't

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shoot the ball real well, perhaps
that's what needs to be explained, and

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that's what the Pistons need. Of
course, what team doesn't want really good

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shooters. I was watching a video
the other day. Steph Curry starts at

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the dotted line, makes a shot, makes a couple of shots, goes

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back to the free throw line.
He extends his way almost to the logo.

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Didn't miss a shot in two minutes
and forty seven seconds, just kept

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getting the ball, shooting it.
He went out and then back in again,

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finishing with a running right handed tear
drop in the lane. It was

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amazing. Who wouldn't need or want
a shooter like that. I'm not saying

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Ron Holland has that capability or that
there was one in the draft. Every

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team would love to have shooters like
that, but Holland, with his skill

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set, how does it not fit
long term? That's what I'd like explained

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anyway. They go on to write, Holland showed him the Summer League why

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he's one of the best overall athletes
in the class because of his relentless motor.

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I'll take that. I'll take a
guy who's out there and the gas

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level to give a blank level is
up there. He's also a great cutter

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and got to the basket, drew
contact at the rim a number of times.

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He struggled as a three point shooter
with the G League Ignite finished four

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of seventeen in Las Vegas. You
can only have so many non shooters on

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the floor. Hence why the fit
in Detroit will be interesting. Holland's defense

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intrigues me the most, and there's
a path for him to be a star

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in the league. Wow, there's
a path for him to be. Well,

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let's pump the brake slightly because of
who he's playing against. But the

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athleticism is always there. I don't
care who you're playing against. The athleticism

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is always there. And as far
as defense is concerned, that's fine.

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You know, I think defense is
really important. I think you have to

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prove that you can score the ball
as well. Boston has shown that in

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winning a championship. I'm glad that
he can play some defense. I'm glad

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that that's one of those things that
intrigues him or wants him on the floor

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to play. As Thompson is one
of those guys too. I want guys

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who can shoot. Let's see how
Detroit develops him as a shooter. That

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will be most important. But at
least it's an encouraging sign that he went

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out there and performed as well as
he did during the summer league. So

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that's a good sign for Pistons fans. Some of the training camp the NFL

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training camp situations. Who needs the
strongest training camp to change your mind about

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that player? So there are a
number of players throughout the league who needs

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something better to incur the confidence from
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Detroit, you would guess it's Jamison
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be the answer. Is that the
answer? That's is that the answer to

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our pole question from yesterday? I
don't know the poll question was most interesting

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storyline from Lions camp, health of
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for the number three wide receiver position, or hand in Hooker's development. It

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might not be the most important answer
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to see breakout. But I think
it's the one people most want to see

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in this Lions fan base. Is
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where he was drafted, Maybe a
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it's also more so than a need. It's a luxury if you can have

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Jamison Williams taking the top off when
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in rest Saint Brown running flawless routes
and Jamier Gibbs on wheel routes and that

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sort of thing, Jamison Williams is
a cherry on top. So I think

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it's more so what fans want to
see than what they think the Lions actually

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need this season. Right, I
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do you think it's a need after
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guy who quote unquote takes the top
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need to have it this year?
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they need it. I think it'd
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think given this o line in the
way that Jared Goff plays, and of

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course it's not a slight to him, I'm just saying that his strength is

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more methodical surgical. He can air
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he doesn't, he doesn't need.
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I hate to just draw the comparison
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they didn't have that and that's what
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it all. No, obviously the
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that's a big part of it.
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a big lead like they did in
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to be able to take shots down
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in a game like that against San
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to be able to go downfield.
That was not necessarily the only thing,

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but it was one of the things
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subscribed to that philosophy, then Jamison
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is vital and that's what some people
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seasons. Injury and gambling situation twenty
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two touchdowns last year. That's it. If you think speed, it's not

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just taking the top of it.
It's speed too, because you can get

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the ball into a guy's hands who's
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his hands in other ways. And
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job in that regard because he's one
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But this is make or break for
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know a Lions offense that has to
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they've got to find somebody who can. We get a text and you

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could text us Sports Radio to twenty
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you like. We'll get him on
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eight sixty six eight three eight forty
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eight three, eight forty eight forty
three. What's the text? Read?

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Try very very interesting text. They
just text the name Jack Campbell, and

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I think they're responding to your question
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have a good camp And I think
that's a great point. It's a very

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interesting point because while we talk about
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agree with this texter and with me
that the defense was the bigger issue and

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that was what held the Lions back
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if Jack Campbell takes a step and
he's the quarterback of your defense, so

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to speak, who knows how much
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I think that's an intriguing answer.
I do too. I do like it.

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I think it was a big adjustment
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said you think the defense is what
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be more specific because that's a very
generic thing to say, well, the

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defense wasn't good enough. I'm not
saying you're wrong here, but what do

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you Are you talking about the passing
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Are you talking about the rushing defense? It can't be just the defense,

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right, Yeah? No, I
definitely go secondary, and we've addressed

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that a ton this summer talking about
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But I also just think the second
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Anzeloni's a solid player, Malcolm Rodriguez
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a ballhawk who's just a freak in
that linebacking cor and Jack Campbell. I

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mean, you picked him in the
first round last year. That's the guy

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that fans are looking at. They
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yeah, I don't disagree with any
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on there, and I think obviously
the when you look at the secondary and

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Terry Arnold is going to be a
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you're mentioning Jack Campbell. Not to
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but when you're a first round pick, it comes with the territory. Terry

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Aron Arnold, you could argue,
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players for this coming season, and
you wouldn't be off base. As a

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rookie, it is vital that he
make a seamless transition. Is he going

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to get burned? Absolutely, every
good slash great corner does get burned.

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That's the territory of the position.
But he needs to make sure that he

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is progressing and he is a starter
from day one and keeps that position where

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you and I can be talking about
how impactful he's been improving this team's past

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defense. If this team wants to
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in that situation where you're talking about
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an improvement. Sure people are looking
at other players. He's the most important

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one. I love Brian Branch,
no doubt about it. There's safeties should

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improve too. He's number one,
though, Terry and Arnold. Is that

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much of a difference maker? When
we come back what I told you about

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yesterday? All right, I want
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top four athletes different sports from your
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of Michigan. I've got mine.
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time I hear another One Bites the
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Do you know why al Baker?
Well, it was really Spider Man Allen,

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Okay, and that's who it was. It was spider Man Allen who

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really came up with the another one
Bites the Dust song. Of course,

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Queen made it famous, but Jimmy
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You know, Billy Simms was part
of that. You're right, Bubba

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Baker was in there as well,
but that was back in nineteen eighty when

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the Lions, coming off a two
and fourteen season, got off to a

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four and oh start. Billy Simms
was on the cover of Sports Illustrated and

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wrote Pride to the Lions. So
Jimmy Allen writes the song to that beat,

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and what ends up happening is the
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and don't even make the Blackoffs.
But it's nothing better than that euphoria starting

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the season for at all. Oh. I can't wait till the Lions do

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it again this fall. Yep.
It's it's just incredible. But I remember

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that vividly, and that's that's oftentimes
what I think of. It's crazy,

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Hey, I know, we got
a text and I want to get to

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what's the topic. I've been teasing
because I'm really excited about it. It's

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gonna be fun. But before we
get into that, I wanted to comment

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on something that Joel Sherman, who's
out of New York and works for MLB

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Network, what he said last night. He said, if the Orioles wanted

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to get Trek schoolbl and Jason Foley
for their bullpen, they would have to

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give up Jackson Holiday, who's the
number one rated prospect in all of baseball,

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and Heston Kirsted. Kirsted is six
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an outfielder designated hitter like player.
He's played twenty three games with the Orioles

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this year has hit two ninety six. He was the second overall player taken

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in the Spencer Torkelsen Draft. What
would that be twenty twenty? Right,

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yees played at Arkansas? Would you
do that? I'm gonna hate myself,

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but yeah I would. Okay,
So here's what you would get. You

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would get a twenty five year old
outfielder with tremendous upside. You would get

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your everyday shortstop. Okay, because
that's where Gunner Henderson would be playing,

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and he is just twenty three,
so you're infield next year. Let me

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just project it next year. If
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Jay Young at third, Gunner Henderson
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I'm going to say, Spencer Torkolsen
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Kirsted and Wright, Parker Meadows and
center. You want to talk about a

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young, exciting team, a young
exciting lineup that would do it for a

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lot of fans. Is it exciting? It's exciting for the first week.

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Gotta win games? To your point, right, how exciting is that if

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a young team is going out there
and only winning fifty six games? Revillain

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Right? All those things go against
what I've been saying, And I've been

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talking about getting an experienced guy,
getting a guy who can come in and

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help nurture guys along. It's it's
just the opposite. Unless you think a

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guy like Riley Green has enough experience
to do just that, and I don't.

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Matt Vierling would be part of that
group obviously, but maybe not as

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a starter. You'd have a guy
like when sil Perez who should still be

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on there, but he's young.
It's just something to think about, that's

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all. I don't think that gets
it done. That's a lot to give

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up before the Tigers. It's a
lot to give up if you're Baltimore.

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But that's more about the future.
Hunter Henderson would excite me like nobody's business

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just because you don't have a shortstop. I mean, if you want to

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wait for Kevin McGonagall, go ahead, all right, you're gonna be waiting

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a while. You're gonna be wait
a while. Okay. So I mean

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he just reached hi a for crying
out loud. Yeah, he's with the

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white Caps, right, Yeah,
and he just got called up and Max

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Clarke together or they Okay, yes, yeah, but show I mean,

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I can't get any worse that short
stuff. Right, Well, you wouldn't

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think, you wouldn't think, I
mean, but but I want to see

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I would. Let's put it this
way. I'd rather have Gunner Henderson putting

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up those numbers now at shortstop,
hoping he was going to learn than hobby

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or bias. It's more concerning because
of bias's you know, tenure in the

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major leagues. Yeah, and he's
three years into a ridiculous contract. Yeah,

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but be honest with yourself. Were
you excited when they signed him?

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Yeah? Okay, see that's that's
why I'm glad you're at least you're honest.

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I was not. I was not. I mean, he was not

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a guy I wanted because and look, you wanted the other names at that

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position. Correct. Well, he
from a shortstop standpoint, of all those

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free agent shortstops, he was last
on my list. Yeah, I mean,

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I'll be honest, chef, he
wasn't even on my board. I

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was looking for a Corey seeger.
I just I was excited that the Tigers

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were spending some money. But in
hindsight that has not aged well at all.

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It just goes to show you that
I say it all the time,

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and if we had more listeners,
people would would get it. Just because

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you have money doesn't mean you spend
it. You spend it wisely. So

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remember the Piston, Charlie Villain,
a Wave and Ben Gordon. I got

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into an argument with a colleague of
mine who said we just got the two

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best free agents. I said,
dude, you just wasted money. Those

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guys aren't that good. It was
a terrible free agent class. I'd rather

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you eat the money. Yeah,
you just threw it out the window.

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And it's the same thing with Bias. Just because you had the money,

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the Tigers felt like, oh,
we got to spend it, spend it

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smartly. Please. Well, that's
just at shep because you give the guy

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a six year deal. I mean, that's just bad business. Because the

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Pistons, I mean they were in
a similar situation this offseason, but they

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had money to spend and they spent
it on a guy like Tobias Harris who's

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on a two year deal. The
second year is a team option, so

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there's wiggle room there, right,
the money for one season. Yeah,

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I don't mind that quite honestly.
That's com we all understand where that team

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is. Okay, the contract for
Bia has made no sense from the get

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go because of where this team is
at. They just did it because it's

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a need and it's a big name, and it just it hasn't worked.

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And it's not surprising to me at
all. We've got a text and I

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want to get to and then I
really want to talk about this what I

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considered a pretty cool topic of the
best athletes for your school from different sports.

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Just give me four Who are the
four best athletes from different sports from

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your school. What's the text,
Trent. Yeah, we'll make this quick

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but interesting point of view from this
text, Or says Teddy Bridgewater does not

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get enough credit for turning JMO around
more off the field and on the field

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starting making noise, especially in the
NFC Championship game. Teddy maybe one of

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Holmes's best signings. When all of
a sudden done end of texts. And

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of course Teddy Bridgewater has retired since. And I mean that was kind of

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the noise about Teddy Bridgewater, right, was that he was a great locker

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room guy, great culture fit,
great mentor. So. I don't know

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if him and Jamison Williams are super
close. I was just going to say

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I didn't. I can't say that
I've necessarily read that either. But if

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that's true, then credit to Teddy
Bridgewater. Let's hope it sticks, because

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he's not going to be there to
put an arm around his shoulder or kick

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him in the ass if he need
be. So I hope Jamison Williams has

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grown. Look, this happens to
all of us. I don't care if

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you're a football player or not.
We all, you know, obviously we

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want to mature as our years grow
in football, that's got to be expedited.

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Jamison Williams needed that. I don't
know if it was Teddy Bridgewater who

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guided him there, or if it
was a coach or whatever, but let's

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hope it has taken root because he's
got to be a guy who you know,

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makes that next step. He's got
to make a big step, a

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monumental leap compared to a year ago. All Right. Someone tweeted the other

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day that San Diego State. This
was just after Xanders Shoftley had won the

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Open Championship for his second major.
That means San Diego State can boast a

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two time major winner on the golf
course, a Hall of Fame player in

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Tony Gwynn, Hall of Fame player
in Marshall Falk and one of the better

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players in the NBA. And Kawhi
Leonard. Those are four pretty big names,

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great accomplishments. Who would be the
four names for the various schools in

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the state of Michigan. So let's
start with the University of Michigan. What

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would those four names be? I
have my list, maybe you do,

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and I hope Trent does as well. My list would be this I couldn't.

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This was a tough one for me, to be honest with you.

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Remember, you're not gonna have two
basketball players. You're not having two football

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players. You're not having two baseball
players. I thought originally Charlie Garringer,

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and then I remember that's a long
time ago. I'll go with Barry Larkin.

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He's in the Hall of Fame too, and he was more recent,

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So I'll go with Barry Larkin.
Tom Brady thought about Charles Woodson, but

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I went with Tom Brady. Chris
Webber thought about Glenn Rice, but Webber

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hall of Famer. And I went
with Marty Turco because he won a couple

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of national championships. He was historing
the NHL for a long time with Dallas.

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So those are the four I had
for the Wolverines. Who do you

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have? I would only push back
on basketball, And I guess this name

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I'm gonna throw out here might be
a little ridiculous because Chris Webber did just

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make the Hall of Fame. But
I'm gonna go way back. I'm a

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historian of basketball. I love hoops. Kazzie Russell won a championship with the

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Knicks. He was an All Star
once he was the National College Player of

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the Year for the Mazon Blue m
H Mister Basketball USA got his number thirty

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three in the rafters with Michigan,
so I would maybe go him. Recent

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history, Trey Burke was excellent at
Michigan, led him to the national title

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game. So I don't know.
There's a couple of different answers. Chris

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Webber is probably the right one.
What I would push back on basketball,

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Tom Brady is an that's a bullet
right for full Yeah, look, I

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don't think I don't think it's automatic
Weber. I think I gave strong consideration

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to Kazi Russell as well. It's
not like I'm a huge Chris Weber fan,

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but he is in the Hall of
Fame. He was a five time

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All Star, he was the Rookie
of the Year. He did put up

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some massive numbers on a team that
probably didn't get a lot of recognition because

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of when and where they played.
But you know, you average in your

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career twenty one points and ten rebounds
a game. That's pretty damn good.

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I might Trey Burke as much as
I like Trey Burke, and look,

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I called those games and he was
National Player of the Year. I think

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with this list, the beauty is
you taking their professional careers into consideration.

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That's the key with Trey Burke is
right, he is almost non existent.

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Yeah, and he's still playing.
He's made a nice living, but he

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isn't at the professional level. That
Chris Weber was right, Chris Webber Hall

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of Famer and multi you know,
perennial All Star there for a while,

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and then Kassie Russell won a championship
with the next the last time they were

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relevant, right, So got to
give credit to those guys. So I

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like that, all right, So
let's go with Michigan State. So for

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me, and they've got a rich
tradition, without a doubt, I went

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with Lorenzo White, Kirk Gibson,
Magic Johnson, and Ryan Miller. Now,

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remember, just because I went with
those same four sports with Michigan State

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and Michigan at the same time,
doesn't mean that you're limited to those sports.

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If you wanted to give us a
different sport, that's fine. I

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don't care if it's swimming, I
don't care if it's lacrosse, I don't

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care if it's women's basketball, whatever, I mean, it all qualifies.

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But you can only have one player
from one specific sport. The hard one

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for me was football because there were
there are a ton of really good football

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players from Michigan State, just like
they were at Michigan. Who are your

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four from MSU? I agree with
most of your list. I'll throw this

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out there because you talk about the
other sports and given some love, this

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is a little topical. Heath Baldwin, remember the name. He's competing for

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the US and there's the Caathlon coming
up here in Paris, and if he

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wins gold, I mean he came
from Michigan State, So that would that

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would be something you'd have to consider
and talk about, because, well,

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whose place would he take? He's
not taking Magic Johnson, No, certainly,

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I honestly, as crazy as this
sounds, maybe someone from the football

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camp, because I don't really have
a great answer. I mean, with

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Michigan it was Tom Brady, no
doubt. So with Michigan State, it's

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like he got a I think Lorenzo
White's a fin answer. Okay. I

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think a lot of people my generation
would go Kenneth Walker. To be honest

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with you, I know it was
only one season, but it was a

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match season. Five touchdowns against your
rival. Yeah, and which looks like

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he's going to have a solid pro
career. So it looks like he's gonna

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have a solid pro career. I
was thinking Bubba Smith thought about that for

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a little bit. We definitely Kirk
Gibson as well. Shout out to Kirk.

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Yeah, all right, so Central
Michigan. I went with Dan Marley.

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I don't think there's any question about
that. Antonio Brown, Kevin Tapany

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played a long time in Major League
baseball. And I went with Dick Enberg.

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Now I know he wasn't an athlete, but he is arguably the most

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famous Central Michigan alum, and he
is involved in sports, and he is

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in multiple Hall of Fames, So
I think it qualifies. It may be

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a little bit of a reach for
some, but I do believe that that

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could qualify if you give me just
a little bit of leeway. So I'm

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going to go with those guys.
There's no doubt about I mean, look,

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Tappan, he played thirteen years,
so Marlee hell of a player,

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best basketball player in Central Michigan history. And Antonio Brown, there's really no

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I mean, Ray Bentley was pretty
damn good. Eric Fisher was the first

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overall pick. First ever out of
the Mid American Conference as a tackle and

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won a Super Bowl. I'm gonna
have I've got to stick with Antonio Brown.

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Did you go deeper than Michigan or
Michigan State? No. I thought

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about maybe Chris Cayman, but then
I looked up Dan Marley's resume and it's

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more impressive. So Chris Caenan really
well, he made an All Star team,

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he had a decent run there for
a couple of years. Okay,

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well that's what I'm saying. That's
not my answer. I just considered it,

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and then I looked up thunder Dan. There's no doubt. So you

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just went to Michigan Michigan State.
You didn't go deeper than that? No?

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No, okay, all right,
so Eastern Michigan Max Crosby pretty damn

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good player right now? Oh yeah, George Gervin Hoyles, who played with

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the Baltimore Orioles. Hell of a
catcher. And I went with Grant Long

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from a basketball perspective rather than Earl
Boykin's Western Michigan John Offerd all incredible linebacker

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who was an All American and was
a high draft pick for the Miami Dolphins

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as was a Star. There was
a captain there as a middle linebacker for

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some really good Miami teams. David
Coole didn't have a pro career, but

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had a hell of a college career, and Danny de Kaiser hockey wise,

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really couldn't come up with anybody else
Grand Valley. This is for our friends

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what I got. Fair Estate.
I went with Jason vander Lahn Harlan Hill

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Trophy winner. Jeff Blash played hockey
there and then coached at Western, coached

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with the Wings, is now a
coach assistant coach with Tampa. Was just

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inducted into their Hall of Fame.
Carmen fan Zone, who played five years

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in Major League Baseball. That's as
deep as I got. Let me throw

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Greg Jennings in there for Western,
Michigan Super Bowl champion, two time Pro

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bowler. Gosh darn it. Yeah, it was either him or John Offerdall,

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and I went with Offerdall. He
was a badass in the middle man,

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I'm telling you, yeah, he
was. He was really, really

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good. I know it's too it's
way too old for you. But John

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offerd All was a five time pro
bowler and wasn't all pro too, and

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played from nineteen eighty six to nineteen
ninety three and was rock solid. I

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mean people look at tackles right overall. Look at his tackles year after year,

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and look at his starts. He
was very durable as well. All

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