WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.439 --> 00:00:13.519 It's the Lockdown podcast Network, your team every day. The Bengals twenty twenty 2 00:00:13.519 --> 00:00:17.960 four NFL Draft is in the books and how did they do? Trevor Sikima 3 00:00:17.960 --> 00:00:27.000 of Pro Football Focus is here to break it all down. You are Locked 4 00:00:27.039 --> 00:00:33.479 on Bengals, your daily Cincinnati Bengals podcast, part of the lockedwn podcast network, 5 00:00:33.679 --> 00:00:38.479 Your team every Day. Hi again everyone, and welcome in to the 6 00:00:38.479 --> 00:00:42.320 Lockdown Bengals Podcast. I'm James Erpen. I'll be joined by Jake Lisco and 7 00:00:42.920 --> 00:00:46.079 Trevor Sikima. Pro Football Focus will join us coming up in just a second 8 00:00:46.079 --> 00:00:50.359 to talk all things Bengals draft. Today's show is brought to you by Monopoly 9 00:00:50.439 --> 00:00:53.560 Goo. 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I notice with the PF post draft grades for 18 00:01:27.879 --> 00:01:32.560 every team, but one question in addition to the grade is where do you 19 00:01:32.640 --> 00:01:34.560 rank it if you had to put it top third, middle third, bottom 20 00:01:34.599 --> 00:01:38.599 third of NFL draft classes this year? Where I heard you guys talking in 21 00:01:38.640 --> 00:01:42.599 your live show that it seems like NFL teams aren't making a ton of extremely 22 00:01:42.680 --> 00:01:47.000 crazy decisions this year. Do you think that that B plus puts them in 23 00:01:47.000 --> 00:01:49.959 the top third of the NFL and draft classes this year. Yeah, I 24 00:01:49.000 --> 00:01:55.000 would say top third for sure. And honestly, B plus might be kind 25 00:01:55.000 --> 00:01:57.120 of harsh on my end because the only pick I really didn't love was the 26 00:01:57.200 --> 00:02:01.200 McKinley Jackson selections. I know they were going for. It was just a 27 00:02:01.200 --> 00:02:05.560 big time reach for where he was ranked on my board, But so many 28 00:02:05.599 --> 00:02:07.599 other picks that this team had, I mean the a Mariusman selection. I 29 00:02:07.599 --> 00:02:12.560 think it's a perfect landing spot for him. Love them getting Chris Jenkins Junior 30 00:02:12.599 --> 00:02:16.759 to really improve that interior defensive line after losing out on a reader, Jermaine 31 00:02:16.759 --> 00:02:22.360 Burton could be the X factor of the entire draft honestly and what he could 32 00:02:22.439 --> 00:02:25.080 mean for Cincinnati both short and long term. I love Eric All He's my 33 00:02:25.120 --> 00:02:28.840 tight end three in this class. I really like Josh Newton coming into the 34 00:02:28.879 --> 00:02:30.280 season. Struggled a little bit last year, but I still like him as 35 00:02:30.280 --> 00:02:35.719 a player. Cedril Johnson I see the athletic upside too. So this draft 36 00:02:35.919 --> 00:02:38.639 was great, I think so, honestly, Like just hearing that out loud 37 00:02:38.680 --> 00:02:39.719 and when you ask it, like, oh, where does this rank? 38 00:02:39.879 --> 00:02:45.120 In my head, immediately I was like, I mean top ten probably, 39 00:02:45.240 --> 00:02:46.560 like you know, eight, nine, ten, something like that. But 40 00:02:47.080 --> 00:02:51.439 that B plus label might even be a little harsh if I was comparing it 41 00:02:51.479 --> 00:02:54.199 to where what grades I gave other teams just because of the McKinley Jackson pick. 42 00:02:54.240 --> 00:02:59.719 But I really did like Cincinnati's draft a lot. Amrius Mams was obviously 43 00:02:59.719 --> 00:03:06.400 therefore selection and going with the big tackle, given Joe Burrow and given the 44 00:03:06.439 --> 00:03:08.680 fact that they want to protect him. I think a lot of people are 45 00:03:08.680 --> 00:03:13.680 on board with the philosophy of it, but there are plenty of people in 46 00:03:13.719 --> 00:03:17.319 town, specifically that are looking at those eight starts that look at a guy 47 00:03:17.319 --> 00:03:21.879 that had the hamstring at the combine and the ankle injury this past year. 48 00:03:23.280 --> 00:03:27.159 How risky of a pick is it. How concerned should Bengals fans be? 49 00:03:27.280 --> 00:03:30.639 Obviously we all know about the upside at this point. Yeah, I mean 50 00:03:30.680 --> 00:03:36.319 it's worth bringing up, right, I mean, injuries are they're tricky, 51 00:03:36.479 --> 00:03:39.159 right because even if you have a guy who has been injured quite a bit, 52 00:03:40.080 --> 00:03:44.719 as long as the injuries aren't chronic, like unless it's something where okay, 53 00:03:44.800 --> 00:03:47.400 yeah, like medically we can see you're really weakening your body in this 54 00:03:47.520 --> 00:03:53.360 area, you're highly prone to injuring this. Again, like outside of these 55 00:03:53.439 --> 00:03:55.599 chronic injuries, it's just a violent game. It's just a fast game. 56 00:03:55.599 --> 00:03:59.439 It's just one where you're just gonna get hurt all the time. So you 57 00:03:59.479 --> 00:04:01.719 know, with Mems, yeah, he hasn't played a ton of football in 58 00:04:01.800 --> 00:04:04.919 this past year. The ankle injury was a big reason why. But the 59 00:04:05.000 --> 00:04:08.919 years before that, the reason why it wasn't starting is just because George is 60 00:04:08.919 --> 00:04:12.199 an incredible football program, so he really couldn't get on the field. So 61 00:04:12.439 --> 00:04:15.240 yeah, okay, he has this past year as a starter and he goes 62 00:04:15.240 --> 00:04:16.879 through the injury. Obviously, the hamstring injury is not great either. But 63 00:04:17.480 --> 00:04:20.720 if you get him into the NFL with a really good strength of conditioning coach 64 00:04:20.759 --> 00:04:25.319 that understands the body limitations and how hard we need to push him in the 65 00:04:25.319 --> 00:04:27.959 offseason, what we need to do for maintenance during the season. Like, 66 00:04:29.199 --> 00:04:32.120 I don't look at Marius Mims and think this is an injury pro player, 67 00:04:32.240 --> 00:04:35.720 like this is a risk in terms of health. The only real questions that 68 00:04:35.759 --> 00:04:41.160 I have with Mims is if you were to start him year one, week 69 00:04:41.199 --> 00:04:44.839 one, the technique's not really there the way that it needs to be. 70 00:04:45.000 --> 00:04:46.600 To go up against NFL pass rushers, they're gonna be able to set them 71 00:04:46.639 --> 00:04:49.160 up really well. I think the hand uses, especially against the guys that 72 00:04:49.240 --> 00:04:54.839 are much more seasoned in this league, they're gonna be able to bait his 73 00:04:54.959 --> 00:04:58.240 hands and really swipe the hands away and really just not allow him to get 74 00:04:58.240 --> 00:05:01.800 those long arms on him without really causing those fouls. So, to me, 75 00:05:02.399 --> 00:05:05.279 the big question with Mims is simply the fact that if you were going 76 00:05:05.279 --> 00:05:10.680 to start him right away, you might have to go through some growing pains. 77 00:05:10.680 --> 00:05:13.439 But that's why Cincinnati, to me, is the perfect spot you gotta 78 00:05:13.480 --> 00:05:15.639 only in a brown junior. You signed Trenton Brown, and now Mims does 79 00:05:15.680 --> 00:05:18.800 not have to start right away. You can really groom him. And heck, 80 00:05:18.839 --> 00:05:21.439 even if he starts the second half of his rookie season, I think 81 00:05:21.480 --> 00:05:26.199 that that's a better scenario because you're gonna get a guy who's gonna be ready, 82 00:05:26.360 --> 00:05:28.639 gonna be hungry to get that out there on the field. I mean, 83 00:05:28.959 --> 00:05:31.600 he almost transferred from Georgia because he's like, I'm not playing here, 84 00:05:31.639 --> 00:05:34.800 and they basically had to convince him like, hey, your time is coming. 85 00:05:34.920 --> 00:05:39.279 We invested this in you, in you, we wanted you to come 86 00:05:39.319 --> 00:05:42.360 to Georgia. Your time is coming. You please stay here, and he 87 00:05:42.399 --> 00:05:44.720 did. And obviously I think that when he was on the field, he 88 00:05:44.720 --> 00:05:46.720 looked really great, even going back to that twenty twenty two season at the 89 00:05:46.800 --> 00:05:49.879 end of the year when he had to fill in. So this is somebody 90 00:05:49.959 --> 00:05:54.879 who when he gets to Cincinnati, I think that he's going to have that 91 00:05:54.920 --> 00:05:57.839 same sort of hunger to be like, okay, like I'm ready to play, 92 00:05:57.879 --> 00:06:00.959 and I think that's only going to increase his desire to get to that 93 00:06:01.040 --> 00:06:03.879 point and get on the field and be a contributing player for this football team 94 00:06:04.120 --> 00:06:06.959 and the feat and pass protection. To me, Trevor looked like a real 95 00:06:06.959 --> 00:06:11.560 strength to his game. It looks like he's a natural mirror. He has 96 00:06:11.720 --> 00:06:15.680 natural pass protection ability. You see him occasionally overset, lose across his face, 97 00:06:15.759 --> 00:06:19.240 guys breaking inside. I think there's maybe one rep in the Tennessee game 98 00:06:19.319 --> 00:06:24.959 James Pierce, next year's projected first round pick, gets him on an inside 99 00:06:25.000 --> 00:06:28.240 move. But that Ohio State game his first start, I believe, in 100 00:06:28.279 --> 00:06:31.399 the College Football Playoff in twenty twenty two, I mean it's shutdown stuff, 101 00:06:31.399 --> 00:06:34.120 and sometimes in the run game he looks a little bit lost, like he 102 00:06:34.160 --> 00:06:36.879 maybe isn't sure what his job is supposed to be. To me, that 103 00:06:36.920 --> 00:06:44.120 looked like the biggest question for him. But the past protection, production and 104 00:06:44.160 --> 00:06:46.759 consistency, to me was really impressive for a guy who didn't have a ton 105 00:06:46.800 --> 00:06:50.800 of time, who seems pretty aware and you're talking about hand usage. Is 106 00:06:50.839 --> 00:06:56.879 that something that is consistent? Is that on inside moves for you or was 107 00:06:56.879 --> 00:07:00.399 that something that you think is just something that needs to come along. Yeah, 108 00:07:00.480 --> 00:07:02.560 First of all, James Pearce Junior gets everybody with the inside moves, 109 00:07:02.600 --> 00:07:05.079 so I wouldn't be too concerned about that. I think he's going to be 110 00:07:05.279 --> 00:07:09.399 a top fifteen pick next year because of how great of a speed rusher that 111 00:07:09.439 --> 00:07:11.920 he is. But yeah, I think that you brought up some really good 112 00:07:11.959 --> 00:07:15.079 points. I think the footwork is good. I think the feet are fast, 113 00:07:15.160 --> 00:07:16.240 especially for a guy who's three hundred and forty pounds. I mean, 114 00:07:16.279 --> 00:07:19.879 that's the alluring part. Right. Normally, when you get offensive linemen that 115 00:07:19.959 --> 00:07:25.519 are above three twenty five, three thirty, you're sacrificing something. You go, 116 00:07:25.519 --> 00:07:27.959 Okay, they're a little bit better. They've got the power profile to 117 00:07:28.040 --> 00:07:30.920 them, but the feet are just naturally going to be more heavy because you're 118 00:07:30.959 --> 00:07:33.399 dealing with more weight up top. But Mims, it feels like he moves 119 00:07:33.439 --> 00:07:35.839 like a three hundred and five to three hundred and ten pounder with those feet, 120 00:07:35.879 --> 00:07:40.079 and he's sitting here weighing in a three forty. So I think that 121 00:07:41.519 --> 00:07:45.000 in that regard, he is already further ahead of where you would want him 122 00:07:45.040 --> 00:07:47.160 to be. But yeah, you talk about okay, sometimes he sets up 123 00:07:47.199 --> 00:07:50.160 the inside shoulder to get attacked a little bit too easily. But to me, 124 00:07:50.920 --> 00:07:55.160 he has one the body type to be able to make up for it, 125 00:07:55.199 --> 00:07:57.959 and it's just a time thing for him. Right, it's just about 126 00:07:58.160 --> 00:08:03.279 anticipating a little bit better, making sure that Okay, let me see what 127 00:08:03.279 --> 00:08:05.040 this guy's doing. Let me understand what his pass rush plan is, and 128 00:08:05.079 --> 00:08:09.079 I can understand, Okay, this is when he typically goes inside, and 129 00:08:09.120 --> 00:08:13.279 he could be ready for it because the recovery athleticism and again the recovery length 130 00:08:13.800 --> 00:08:16.040 is just so ideal from him, and you're right, okay, run game. 131 00:08:16.319 --> 00:08:20.319 He's still kind of understanding that a little bit better. But that's that 132 00:08:20.439 --> 00:08:24.519 speaks to the lack of snaps to me, right, those two areas of 133 00:08:24.519 --> 00:08:30.199 his game where you say, realistically, he just has not played enough football 134 00:08:30.279 --> 00:08:35.039 to anticipate inside counters as well as he would need to, or hand placement 135 00:08:35.080 --> 00:08:39.639 as well as he needs to, which you gotta remember this too. When 136 00:08:39.679 --> 00:08:43.799 you have longer arms, it's without a question and advantage, but it also 137 00:08:43.919 --> 00:08:48.200 requires you to be even more technically sound and understand your body really well, 138 00:08:48.240 --> 00:08:54.240 because if not, then you just become this hugger of an offensive lineman where 139 00:08:54.240 --> 00:08:56.559 okay, the hands are coming up and they're coming wide, and they're going 140 00:08:56.559 --> 00:08:58.039 to the shoulder pads and now all of a sudden, you're giving up your 141 00:08:58.120 --> 00:09:03.919 chest. You're allowing guy to dip underneath your shoulders, you're susceptible. The 142 00:09:03.919 --> 00:09:09.039 holding calls because it's really easy to see for officials to see if you're like 143 00:09:09.080 --> 00:09:11.799 hanging onto the shoulder pads or anything like that. So you know, when 144 00:09:11.799 --> 00:09:15.120 you have those longer arms, it's great, but they've got to be compact, 145 00:09:15.200 --> 00:09:16.039 they've got to be ready, they've got to be up, and they've 146 00:09:16.039 --> 00:09:20.039 got to be quick and precise. So these are all things that just get 147 00:09:20.039 --> 00:09:24.039 better when he gets more snaps. So the areas where Mims has those deficiencies, 148 00:09:24.080 --> 00:09:28.960 to me speak, just much more towards lack of playtime than any sort 149 00:09:28.960 --> 00:09:31.799 of lack of ability. Which is why I love this landing spot the most, 150 00:09:31.840 --> 00:09:35.679 because you get to ease him in, you get to get that confidence, 151 00:09:35.840 --> 00:09:37.679 you get him to again, I say this again, but I really 152 00:09:37.679 --> 00:09:41.840 believe it be hungry to be a starter, be motivated to be a starter, 153 00:09:43.120 --> 00:09:45.440 and I think you're going to get a really good product whenever it is 154 00:09:45.480 --> 00:09:50.120 that he becomes that starter for this team. I think that's certainly something a 155 00:09:50.159 --> 00:09:52.480 lot of people are hoping for with Mims as he develops into a starter. 156 00:09:54.159 --> 00:09:58.759 Today's show is brought to you by Monopoly Go. 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What do you like so much? 174 00:11:09.759 --> 00:11:11.600 Well, I like the fact that, I mean, he is just 175 00:11:11.799 --> 00:11:15.320 such a pound for pound really strong football player. I mean they calling the 176 00:11:15.399 --> 00:11:18.600 mutant from Michigan, and it's just because of the athletic ability that he has. 177 00:11:18.679 --> 00:11:22.039 Now, you know, he's not built like his dad. He's not 178 00:11:22.279 --> 00:11:24.519 six foot five, three hundred and fifty pounds, but he's got a lot 179 00:11:24.519 --> 00:11:30.639 of that DNA strength to him still. So even the pound for pound version 180 00:11:30.720 --> 00:11:33.600 of strength that we are getting here from Chris Jenkins Junior is going to be 181 00:11:33.600 --> 00:11:37.120 plenty adequate for this team. And I think the Bengals are really at their 182 00:11:37.159 --> 00:11:41.639 best when they have that force and that strength up front in the middle, 183 00:11:41.679 --> 00:11:46.440 and losing reader is tough. You know. That was a big corner stone 184 00:11:46.440 --> 00:11:48.159 of what they did along the defensive line and allowed them to get a lot 185 00:11:48.159 --> 00:11:52.720 of one on ones with the edge rushers. It allowed him to send a 186 00:11:52.720 --> 00:11:54.679 lot of blitzes from the linebacker level because they knew they were covered up well, 187 00:11:54.720 --> 00:11:58.480 because they knew that those guys in the middle were covering their gaps and 188 00:11:58.480 --> 00:12:03.200 not letting anything get in between them or get around him, or really get 189 00:12:03.200 --> 00:12:05.879 pushed too far back off the line of scrimmage. Now, obviously, with 190 00:12:05.039 --> 00:12:09.039 Jenkins being a little bit lighter of a player, that might naturally happen a 191 00:12:09.039 --> 00:12:13.000 little bit more. But even at Michigan when you saw him when he was 192 00:12:13.039 --> 00:12:18.039 asked to take on double teams, you know, he could really execute a 193 00:12:18.080 --> 00:12:20.600 good corkscrew technique, really bringing his knee to the ground and holding the line 194 00:12:20.600 --> 00:12:26.200 of scrimmage against two really talented offensive linemen that maybe we're trying to execute a 195 00:12:26.279 --> 00:12:28.759 duo block or a combo block on him and just get to that second level, 196 00:12:28.799 --> 00:12:31.679 and he would be able to hold those guys long enough to keep the 197 00:12:31.720 --> 00:12:35.480 linebackers free to get to their spot to disrupt things to where okay, maybe 198 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:39.360 you're not making the tackle at the line of scrimmage, but maybe it's only 199 00:12:39.399 --> 00:12:43.039 a two yard gain instead of a five six, seven yard gain and asking 200 00:12:43.039 --> 00:12:46.360 the safeties to get involved from depth. So to me, I wish that 201 00:12:46.440 --> 00:12:50.559 Chris Jenkins would have developed a little bit more as a pass rusher this year. 202 00:12:50.600 --> 00:12:54.960 That was ultimately our hope for him. That was what we saw as 203 00:12:54.200 --> 00:12:58.080 the thing that held the key to him potentially being a first round pick, 204 00:12:58.360 --> 00:13:01.000 But to me, the second round was always the law for him because he's 205 00:13:01.039 --> 00:13:03.120 just such a steady presence in the middle as a defensive lineman there, and 206 00:13:03.159 --> 00:13:07.240 I think he's going to be able to contribute right away, maybe not a 207 00:13:07.240 --> 00:13:09.440 full starting role, but a contributing role right away as a rotational player. 208 00:13:09.440 --> 00:13:13.320 In his rookie season, Steve Pallazola called him one of the best playmakers in 209 00:13:13.360 --> 00:13:18.480 the run game in this class. Obviously had a very very high PFF run 210 00:13:18.519 --> 00:13:22.919 stop rate. When you talk about the pass rush ability, what kind of 211 00:13:22.039 --> 00:13:24.759 upside do you see there. Is that more of a product of the role 212 00:13:24.799 --> 00:13:28.559 he was in at Michigan playing on a very talented defensive line and an NFL 213 00:13:28.600 --> 00:13:33.080 style defense with Harbat Or is that more of a product of the individual player 214 00:13:33.120 --> 00:13:37.159 where he needs to develop a pass rush plan in pass rush moves. Yeah, 215 00:13:37.200 --> 00:13:41.960 I think it's more of the ladder. Like if he had the opportunity 216 00:13:41.960 --> 00:13:43.639 to be more of a pass rusher at Michigan, I think they would have 217 00:13:43.679 --> 00:13:46.919 given him those chances. We just didn't really see him be put in those 218 00:13:46.960 --> 00:13:50.679 opportunities very much. I think it's just because it's not his game right now. 219 00:13:50.879 --> 00:13:56.039 So there are plenty of things where even if Jenkins isn't the most finesse 220 00:13:58.320 --> 00:14:01.600 three technique defensive pass rush out there, I think that there's still room to 221 00:14:01.639 --> 00:14:05.080 grow for him as a pass rusher, you know, getting better at those 222 00:14:05.120 --> 00:14:07.879 bull rushes, getting better at those you know, stack and shed opportunities to 223 00:14:07.919 --> 00:14:11.200 really be able to get in the backfield. He is explosive too, so 224 00:14:11.679 --> 00:14:15.919 being able to understand, Okay, this is how the offensive line is setting 225 00:14:15.960 --> 00:14:18.200 up, this is how they like the slant. When they like the slant, 226 00:14:18.279 --> 00:14:20.840 let me try to get myself in between this gap, really get into 227 00:14:20.879 --> 00:14:24.000 the backfield. That to me are opportunities for him to make plays behind the 228 00:14:24.039 --> 00:14:28.720 line of scrimmage. But you know, it's just the I A should say, 229 00:14:28.759 --> 00:14:33.519 like the timing of his pass rush moves. It's not like Johnny Newton, 230 00:14:33.600 --> 00:14:37.399 right, And I know I'm bringing up somebody that Bengals fans wanted to 231 00:14:37.399 --> 00:14:39.960 be on the team, so I'm sorry about that. But like Johnny Newton 232 00:14:39.440 --> 00:14:43.360 is just like a karate master with his hands sometimes. I mean, it's 233 00:14:43.399 --> 00:14:46.080 just so hard for this guy to stay blocked because of how well he is 234 00:14:46.159 --> 00:14:50.360 using his hands and Jenkins just did not. He just didn't have that approach 235 00:14:50.399 --> 00:14:52.879 really, Like you can tell he said to himself, I am getting my 236 00:14:52.960 --> 00:14:56.320 hands up and inside. I am going to make sure that I have control 237 00:14:56.399 --> 00:14:58.960 of the guy in front of me, and then we'll see what happens after 238 00:15:00.200 --> 00:15:03.799 that. Instead, you have other three technique players, like just Johnny Newton, 239 00:15:03.799 --> 00:15:05.480 but like a Bradon Fisk as well, Like He's another example of these 240 00:15:05.519 --> 00:15:11.080 are guys who just say I am going to get past you as fast as 241 00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:13.000 I can, no matter what. And it's just kind of a different mindset. 242 00:15:13.039 --> 00:15:18.080 So I wonder if there will maybe be more of a push for them 243 00:15:18.120 --> 00:15:20.399 to say, hey, let's you know, we know that you could shoot 244 00:15:20.399 --> 00:15:22.519 your hands inside and you can get control of the guys in front of you 245 00:15:22.519 --> 00:15:26.960 pretty well, but let's see if we can increase that hand speed and really 246 00:15:28.039 --> 00:15:31.799 keep you off blocks more over the next couple of years to develop your pass 247 00:15:31.840 --> 00:15:35.200 rush profile out for you to be a three down defensive lineman at all times. 248 00:15:35.240 --> 00:15:37.720 And we're just thinking that you could be a high impact player because you 249 00:15:37.759 --> 00:15:41.720 mentioned it. He's already a really good run defender. It's just what more 250 00:15:41.759 --> 00:15:43.960 does he have in the tank. Second round pick, like I said, 251 00:15:43.039 --> 00:15:46.039 was always the floor for him. Is there more to say? Man, 252 00:15:46.240 --> 00:15:48.240 In a couple of years, we will look back at this one and we 253 00:15:48.279 --> 00:15:52.320 go what a steal the Christiankin junior pick was, Trevor, I know we're 254 00:15:52.320 --> 00:15:56.559 going to ask you about the tight ends and I almost skipped, but I 255 00:15:56.559 --> 00:16:00.000 don't think we can skip the Burton pick because it's such a a surprise. 256 00:16:00.120 --> 00:16:03.559 I think in the moment for a lot of people here, it certainly surprised 257 00:16:03.600 --> 00:16:07.440 me. The first two pickst and this one did. But it seems to 258 00:16:07.480 --> 00:16:11.399 fit like a glove. What do you think about his game, particularly in 259 00:16:11.399 --> 00:16:15.120 this Bengals offense with Joe Burrow Jamar chasing company. Yeah, I mean, 260 00:16:15.159 --> 00:16:21.159 look, Jermaine Burton was one of the most talented wide receivers in the class. 261 00:16:21.440 --> 00:16:23.960 He really was, And I think that a lot of analysts kind of 262 00:16:25.000 --> 00:16:29.159 came to the same conclusion. Is you know, we've kind of been told 263 00:16:29.279 --> 00:16:33.480 from different sources that a little bit of a hot head, maybe a little 264 00:16:33.480 --> 00:16:36.399 tough to control, kind of marches by the beat of his own drum, 265 00:16:36.519 --> 00:16:38.960 and because of that, we're teams going to draft him. I'm gonna be 266 00:16:40.039 --> 00:16:41.120 honest with you. I had a second round grade. I'm on him on 267 00:16:41.159 --> 00:16:45.440 tape, could have been even higher, could have been like an early second, 268 00:16:45.440 --> 00:16:47.879 maybe even late first on him. I know there's some people who had 269 00:16:47.960 --> 00:16:52.240 him as one of their top five receivers in this class. He wasn't a 270 00:16:52.440 --> 00:16:53.919 high for me, but man, he is somebody who I think could be 271 00:16:53.919 --> 00:16:57.519 a major PAC player. He played at Georgia, he played at Alabama. 272 00:16:57.639 --> 00:17:00.840 He was impactful at both the way that he get off the line of scrimmage 273 00:17:00.840 --> 00:17:06.799 with so much speed and precision and body control, and the strength that he 274 00:17:06.920 --> 00:17:11.960 has at the catchpoint despite being a little bit smaller, his ability to just 275 00:17:11.039 --> 00:17:15.640 stop on a dime and really hit a comeback or just a post route or 276 00:17:15.680 --> 00:17:19.839 like an over route over the middle just to create that separation. I mean, 277 00:17:21.079 --> 00:17:23.960 he really brings you everything that you want in a player of his size, 278 00:17:25.039 --> 00:17:30.000 and it sets up in a potentially elite wide receiver trio with Chase with 279 00:17:30.119 --> 00:17:36.039 Higgins and now it's yourmain Burton here for the twenty twenty four season. And 280 00:17:36.880 --> 00:17:42.200 genuinely, this move for Cincinnati could give them the flexibility to move on from 281 00:17:42.200 --> 00:17:48.119 t Higgins if they want to. And so there's a world where if Burton 282 00:17:48.119 --> 00:17:51.039 plays really really well this upcoming season, or you could just tell that he's 283 00:17:51.119 --> 00:17:53.400 jelling well, he's got a good chemistry with Joe Burrow, he's a productive 284 00:17:53.400 --> 00:17:56.400 player. They might look in next season and say, Okay, we can 285 00:17:56.480 --> 00:18:00.680 afford to let Tee Higgins walk because we know that we've got a really good 286 00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:03.240 one two combo. Anyways, then you could bring in another veteran wide receiver 287 00:18:03.279 --> 00:18:06.799 if you want, You could draft another one if you want, and so 288 00:18:06.839 --> 00:18:10.319 you could reload in that a bild in that way. So the Bengals, 289 00:18:10.319 --> 00:18:15.519 to me, those first three picks that they had were so great at supplementing 290 00:18:15.599 --> 00:18:19.880 their current situation. Was it was a great combination of both improving the team 291 00:18:19.880 --> 00:18:23.279 in the short term but also building it long term. I was so impressive 292 00:18:23.279 --> 00:18:26.680 with what they were able to do for these first three picks. And who 293 00:18:26.680 --> 00:18:30.680 knows exactly what's going to happen with Burton, but all I can tell you 294 00:18:30.720 --> 00:18:33.839 is that when that dude's on the field, he's a force, and he's 295 00:18:33.839 --> 00:18:37.720 an incredibly talented wide receiver. So as long as he is on the field 296 00:18:37.720 --> 00:18:41.960 and he is a contributing member of this team, they're going to get good 297 00:18:42.000 --> 00:18:45.640 return on investments. From I already saw that in this tape over the last 298 00:18:45.680 --> 00:18:49.359 couple of years. Today's show is also brought to by fandul fand was a 299 00:18:49.359 --> 00:18:55.759 one stop shop for all things sports wagering, including NBA playoffs, NHL playoffs. 300 00:18:55.759 --> 00:18:59.880 In the NBA, well the Knicks, they had it, they had 301 00:19:00.079 --> 00:19:03.319 them, and they let them off the hook. 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I don't know if you saw the 317 00:20:03.759 --> 00:20:07.480 video of Zach Taylor's reaction after they got the pick in like he's slamming his 318 00:20:07.559 --> 00:20:11.839 chair. He's as excited as I've ever seen Zach Taylor in the draft room, 319 00:20:12.200 --> 00:20:15.440 so he's stoked to get Burton in there. The Bengals have been pretty 320 00:20:15.440 --> 00:20:21.200 good at drafting receivers too, another reason to I think potentially be bullish on 321 00:20:21.240 --> 00:20:22.720 Burton. I have two questions for you as a follow up. One, 322 00:20:22.920 --> 00:20:27.119 you do player comps NFL comps? And if so, do you have them 323 00:20:27.160 --> 00:20:32.880 for Burton? In two, Steve Smith called Burton a vertical receiver. Isn't 324 00:20:32.880 --> 00:20:36.680 so sure that the rest of his game is ready for the NFL? Yet, 325 00:20:36.960 --> 00:20:38.279 where are you on how he would be best used? At the next 326 00:20:38.359 --> 00:20:41.680 level, so I didn't have a good comp on him. I was laid 327 00:20:41.720 --> 00:20:45.359 on doing comps this year, just didn't really have time to get a lot 328 00:20:45.440 --> 00:20:47.400 of them in for the draft guide. So I don't have a good comp 329 00:20:47.400 --> 00:20:51.240 for you. I wish I did. But to Steve Smith's point, yes, 330 00:20:51.359 --> 00:20:53.240 Burton is more of a vertical wide receiver right now. Like we saw 331 00:20:53.279 --> 00:20:56.759 that again at Alabama, we saw it at Georgia. His average shift the 332 00:20:56.799 --> 00:21:00.319 target is really high, so a lot of what he did they were just 333 00:21:00.359 --> 00:21:03.799 sending himlong. And I can understand the reason for it. He's really quick, 334 00:21:03.839 --> 00:21:07.680 the acceleration is great. His releases are lightning fast. So if anybody's 335 00:21:07.720 --> 00:21:11.039 playing against him in press coverage, he's got the hand usage and he's got 336 00:21:11.079 --> 00:21:14.920 the releases in the good footwork to be able to get even with these players 337 00:21:15.039 --> 00:21:18.599 very very quickly. And then it allows the quarterback to give him a shot 338 00:21:18.640 --> 00:21:22.079 deep down the field, most notably towards the sideline, because he has that 339 00:21:22.119 --> 00:21:26.839 speed in that athletic ability to do it. So you can understand where Steve 340 00:21:26.839 --> 00:21:30.799 Smith is coming from with saying, hey, he is a vertical receiver right 341 00:21:30.799 --> 00:21:33.240 now, because that's a lot of what he did in college. But the 342 00:21:33.400 --> 00:21:37.319 way that he is able to stop on a dime, the way he is 343 00:21:37.319 --> 00:21:40.200 able to control his body to sink his hips, to chop his feet, 344 00:21:40.319 --> 00:21:45.279 to flip the hips over like that, all gives me a lot of encouragement 345 00:21:45.319 --> 00:21:48.799 that if you put any route in front of this guy, he's going to 346 00:21:48.880 --> 00:21:49.880 be able to do it. He's going to be able to do it crisply 347 00:21:51.200 --> 00:21:55.440 and create that separation. So, yes, he is more of a vertical 348 00:21:55.480 --> 00:21:59.359 wide receiver right now, but I think there is so much more in the 349 00:21:59.359 --> 00:22:03.839 tank for him to become a well rounded, can run the whole route tree 350 00:22:03.920 --> 00:22:07.880 type of a guy. Trevor, let's switch gears. Let's talk about these 351 00:22:07.920 --> 00:22:11.359 tight end stick with the offense. And you mentioned it earlier in the show. 352 00:22:11.480 --> 00:22:14.880 It certainly got my attention. Eric All was your third tight end. 353 00:22:15.119 --> 00:22:18.039 And I'm not going to compare this tight end class to last year. Certainly 354 00:22:18.160 --> 00:22:22.079 it's a weaker tight end class, but the fact that he was your third 355 00:22:22.079 --> 00:22:26.440 tight end I think is interesting. For sure, what are the Bengals getting 356 00:22:26.759 --> 00:22:30.759 with Eric All? If Eric All is healthy, this is a starting caliber 357 00:22:30.799 --> 00:22:33.599 tight end at the NFL level. I played a little bit for Michigan, 358 00:22:33.680 --> 00:22:37.759 he was in a crowded tight end room. Twenty twenty two, he played 359 00:22:37.799 --> 00:22:41.759 the beginning of the season, then he ended up having to have back surgery, 360 00:22:41.839 --> 00:22:45.839 so he missed most of that entire twenty twenty two season. Transfers over 361 00:22:45.880 --> 00:22:51.480 to Iowa for his final year of eligibility and only played in I believe it 362 00:22:51.480 --> 00:22:56.680 was six or seven games for Iowa before tearing his ACL. So admittedly not 363 00:22:56.720 --> 00:22:59.960 great, right, I mean, like, these are two major injuries for 364 00:23:00.039 --> 00:23:03.799 the game of football, when you have a back injury that you're recovering from 365 00:23:03.880 --> 00:23:07.079 and then obviously a major knee injury. So the health is a reason why 366 00:23:07.119 --> 00:23:11.039 I think he would have been drafted around where he did, somewhere in the 367 00:23:11.519 --> 00:23:17.160 early parts of Day three. But on the field, on the field, 368 00:23:18.160 --> 00:23:22.759 this is an impactful tight end, truly, Like, this is somebody who, 369 00:23:22.880 --> 00:23:25.839 again I think can do whatever you want to do from the tight end 370 00:23:25.880 --> 00:23:27.759 position, and he's a really good receiver. I think he's got the ability 371 00:23:27.759 --> 00:23:30.200 to run a lot of different routes. We saw him be able to tempo 372 00:23:30.240 --> 00:23:33.880 his routes when he was at Iowa. Heck, he only played six or 373 00:23:33.880 --> 00:23:37.319 seven games for Iowa and he still led the team in receiving at the end 374 00:23:37.359 --> 00:23:38.559 of the year. Now, maybe that's more of an Iowa stat than an 375 00:23:38.680 --> 00:23:42.000 eric alstat, but they were not afraid to get this guy involved because they 376 00:23:42.039 --> 00:23:45.559 knew the return on investment was there for him. I think, to go 377 00:23:45.640 --> 00:23:51.480 along with his good receiving ability, he is a really nice blocker as well. 378 00:23:51.519 --> 00:23:53.599 He is somebody who I think you could put in inline situations, wing 379 00:23:53.640 --> 00:23:56.759 back situations, as a fullback out of the backfield, but also as a 380 00:23:56.799 --> 00:24:00.039 slot receiver as well. So to me, I saw a lot of what 381 00:24:00.039 --> 00:24:03.920 you would want to see from Erica all in terms of a potential starting tight 382 00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:07.480 end at the next level. So as long as he is healthy and it 383 00:24:07.559 --> 00:24:10.400 might take a little bit for him to get fully confident again coming off that 384 00:24:10.480 --> 00:24:12.240 knee injury, I really do think that this is a really good long term 385 00:24:12.240 --> 00:24:15.759 option for them and a potential starter. At what point can we start scouting 386 00:24:15.759 --> 00:24:22.519 the helmet with Iowa tight ends? Yeah? Three years ago? Yeah, 387 00:24:22.599 --> 00:24:26.559 I mean they truly are tight end you at this point because they also have 388 00:24:26.640 --> 00:24:30.559 another guy who I liked as well this year who also got hurt, Luke 389 00:24:30.640 --> 00:24:33.759 Leche, who is going to be one of the best tight end prospects in 390 00:24:34.119 --> 00:24:38.839 next year's draft as well, So they're growing a montrees out there. The 391 00:24:38.960 --> 00:24:42.680 fact that you're able to produce in an Iowa offense period as a tight end, 392 00:24:44.480 --> 00:24:47.160 you know you mentioned, is a product of the Iowa offense. Probably, 393 00:24:47.279 --> 00:24:49.559 yes, but that's probably a good sign that he was able to be 394 00:24:49.680 --> 00:24:53.440 productive in that offense. Unfortunately, the injury, of course, cutting short 395 00:24:53.480 --> 00:24:56.559 his season, and who knows what happens if he's healthy the whole year as 396 00:24:56.599 --> 00:25:02.039 a productive Iowa tight end. We've seen what those guys have done at the 397 00:25:02.079 --> 00:25:04.960 next level. Any Tane McLaughlin thoughts, is this a guy that can be 398 00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:08.559 a supplementary piece, a good pass catcher. He's twenty five years old coming 399 00:25:08.559 --> 00:25:11.480 into the end of the league, obviously had the path from Canada to Southern 400 00:25:11.559 --> 00:25:17.440 Utah to Arizona before he started really playing with a high level football program, 401 00:25:17.480 --> 00:25:22.279 but seemed to be a smooth athlete, a smooth receiving, productive player in 402 00:25:22.519 --> 00:25:26.799 Arizona. Can you do that at the next level? Yeah, I mean 403 00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:29.359 I figured that he would be a depth piece tight end. I know some 404 00:25:29.400 --> 00:25:32.079 people were higher on MacLaughlin than I was, but you know, you look 405 00:25:32.079 --> 00:25:34.160 at his background, zero star recruit coming from Canada, ends up going to 406 00:25:34.200 --> 00:25:37.799 Southern Utah, plays there for four years, played wide receiver, and then 407 00:25:37.880 --> 00:25:41.599 kind of gained a little bit of weight move over to Arizona started to play 408 00:25:41.640 --> 00:25:45.440 tight end. But really you're going to use him as that big wide receiver 409 00:25:45.559 --> 00:25:48.279 type of player, like that big slot maybe that pseudo X receiver. He's 410 00:25:48.319 --> 00:25:51.759 not really somebody that you're going to want to put on the Lion of scrimmage 411 00:25:51.799 --> 00:25:53.599 very much. If you do, he's going to be again more kind of 412 00:25:53.599 --> 00:25:56.880 like detached from the Lion of scrimmage in that like wing back formation if anything, 413 00:25:56.920 --> 00:26:00.079 maybe asking him to block and split zone concepts. But even that, 414 00:26:00.119 --> 00:26:03.400 I mean, you don't really want this guy in the trenches blocking. That's 415 00:26:03.440 --> 00:26:07.119 not where you're going to get that high return on investments. But he is 416 00:26:07.160 --> 00:26:11.279 a nice receiver I think for his size certainly that gives you that plus value. 417 00:26:11.319 --> 00:26:14.559 And you need to play special teams as well in order for him to 418 00:26:14.599 --> 00:26:15.680 make the roster. So I think that's going to be the key is to 419 00:26:17.039 --> 00:26:22.279 when he officially makes that game day active, you know, fifty three man 420 00:26:22.440 --> 00:26:26.759 roster. So I think that he could be used as a good wide receiver 421 00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:30.640 but he's to me just much more of a depth piece than somebody who's eventually 422 00:26:30.680 --> 00:26:33.480 going to become a starter at the position. To your point, does he 423 00:26:33.519 --> 00:26:37.279 fit with all? It sounds like he would fit with all long term, 424 00:26:37.160 --> 00:26:41.480 I think so. I mean certainly, because this offense likes to make sure 425 00:26:41.519 --> 00:26:47.720 that they can have receiving threats basically from all angles, right like whether it's 426 00:26:47.759 --> 00:26:49.440 wide receivers, whether it's tight ends, whether it's running backs. I mean, 427 00:26:49.599 --> 00:26:52.079 that's when Joe Burrow was at his best at LSU, That's when he's 428 00:26:52.119 --> 00:26:56.680 been at his best at in Cincinnati, is when he has a plethora of 429 00:26:56.720 --> 00:27:00.519 options to go to because Joe's going to see things pre snap, post snap 430 00:27:00.519 --> 00:27:03.039 where he's going to be able to find the open guy. And you don't 431 00:27:03.039 --> 00:27:06.400 want a situation where, Okay, well I found the open guy, but 432 00:27:06.720 --> 00:27:08.519 he's not really the target that I want to give the ball to. You 433 00:27:08.559 --> 00:27:12.799 want to make sure that whoever's on the field has that roi ability, and 434 00:27:12.839 --> 00:27:17.480 I think that McLaughlin does. Oh, and they've had that. I've accused 435 00:27:17.480 --> 00:27:21.279 Burrow of having blindness for certain tight ends on this roster in the past, 436 00:27:21.319 --> 00:27:23.119 where like they're open and he just doesn't want to pull the trigger there, 437 00:27:23.319 --> 00:27:26.400 right, So having guys that are reliable, I think is a a big 438 00:27:26.440 --> 00:27:30.480 deal, and they're sort of starting to build that now. I think with 439 00:27:30.559 --> 00:27:34.160 the depth with adding these two guys, and I think McLaughlin having Mike is 440 00:27:34.200 --> 00:27:38.240 SICKI and even Tanner Hudson to learn from. Hudson being a lower end but 441 00:27:38.359 --> 00:27:42.680 crafty zone beating kind of tight end in Cincinnati could be helpful for his career 442 00:27:42.720 --> 00:27:45.920 trajectory if he does make the team. If you can't contribute on special teams. 443 00:27:47.279 --> 00:27:49.119 Last guy I want to talk about is Josh Newton Trevor, a guy 444 00:27:49.160 --> 00:27:53.680 that you mentioned you had a I think day one great on going into the 445 00:27:53.680 --> 00:27:57.319 season, and then just didn't go great for him to start the year. 446 00:27:57.359 --> 00:28:02.240 You mentioned the Colorado game. What were you high on coming into the season 447 00:28:02.240 --> 00:28:06.119 that he didn't live up to the hype? I just overall consistency. Honestly, 448 00:28:06.359 --> 00:28:10.160 I think that this guy's got a lot of really good athletic ability. 449 00:28:10.240 --> 00:28:12.720 Maybe he doesn't have quite the long speed that I thought that he did, 450 00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:17.559 but especially in twenty twenty two when they were making their national title run, 451 00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:21.359 really competitive football player, somebody who you could play in off coverage and in 452 00:28:21.480 --> 00:28:23.559 press. I think he showed good ability in both. And I just think 453 00:28:23.559 --> 00:28:26.839 that he played with a ton of confidence in twenty twenty two. And I 454 00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:30.680 wonder if that Colorado game and him going up against Travis Hunter sort of really 455 00:28:30.839 --> 00:28:33.720 really hurt the confidence for him in twenty twenty three, just because I didn't 456 00:28:33.720 --> 00:28:37.000 really see that same football player as the year went on. I thought it 457 00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:40.680 was a less than ideal game from him. But I was like, Okay, 458 00:28:40.720 --> 00:28:42.079 well, Travis Hunter, it's a tough assignment, so you know, 459 00:28:42.119 --> 00:28:45.319 maybe he'll be able to bounce back, and he just really didn't. And 460 00:28:45.400 --> 00:28:48.440 corners kind of that tough position. It's as much as it is physical, 461 00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:52.319 it is mental, right because you get beat a lot as a corner and 462 00:28:52.559 --> 00:28:53.680 you've got to be able to come back and bounce back. And it just 463 00:28:53.680 --> 00:28:56.839 didn't feel like Josh Newton's year. So to get him where they did believe 464 00:28:56.920 --> 00:29:00.160 is a fifth round pick, that made a lot of sense for me to 465 00:29:00.160 --> 00:29:04.519 get him as a depth player, as somebody who I think has starting potential. 466 00:29:04.559 --> 00:29:07.559 I know it's tough to save for a fifth round pick. You know, 467 00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:10.519 he's certainly got to get that confidence back, but that twenty twenty two 468 00:29:10.559 --> 00:29:12.599 season, Newton was awesome and he was. He was a fringe first round, 469 00:29:12.680 --> 00:29:15.559 late second round player for me going into the year, and I don't 470 00:29:15.559 --> 00:29:19.759 really think that ability disappeared. Maybe he's not quite the athlete that I thought 471 00:29:19.799 --> 00:29:22.759 he was in twenty twenty two, but you get a guy playing as confidently 472 00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:26.279 as possible. He's gonna give you the best he can, so to me, 473 00:29:26.839 --> 00:29:29.799 really nice depth beats for Cincinnati to get in the fifth round as a 474 00:29:29.839 --> 00:29:32.559 potential starter at that position, which you don't get to say very often. 475 00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:37.039 You mentioned the long speed, and obviously testing he was in the four or 476 00:29:37.119 --> 00:29:41.680 five range. I believe does he play a little faster even this past year. 477 00:29:41.720 --> 00:29:44.839 Did he look faster on film than four or five? He looked faster 478 00:29:44.920 --> 00:29:47.920 in twenty twenty two, but i'd have told you that like in twenty twenty 479 00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:51.880 three. Yeah, he kind of looked like somebody who you're worried about the 480 00:29:51.920 --> 00:29:53.319 long speed a little bit there, And I don't know if it's just because 481 00:29:53.319 --> 00:29:56.720 he was seeing things a lot more confidently in twenty twenty two, because let's 482 00:29:56.720 --> 00:29:59.680 face it, you know there are some other corners in this class, like 483 00:29:59.720 --> 00:30:03.039 Kaylen Carson from wake Forest is another one who I really liked coming into the 484 00:30:03.079 --> 00:30:08.000 year because you are able to mask a little bit of athletic deficiency at the 485 00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:12.000 cornerback position if you anticipate really well, you know, like if you are 486 00:30:12.240 --> 00:30:15.799 if your foot's in the ground exactly when it needs to be, or even 487 00:30:15.799 --> 00:30:18.880 a little bit before to see things well, then all of a sudden on 488 00:30:19.000 --> 00:30:22.000 tape, it looks like you're running stride for stride with this player, when 489 00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:25.920 in reality that guy might be a lot faster than you. You just got 490 00:30:25.920 --> 00:30:27.440 to take off a half a step before him. And at that case, 491 00:30:27.559 --> 00:30:30.920 and when that's the case, I mean, let's face it, four four 492 00:30:32.279 --> 00:30:37.200 four five. I mean it's zero point one zero of a second difference, 493 00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:38.680 right, and so it's not the biggest difference in the world. And when 494 00:30:38.720 --> 00:30:41.519 you're able to anticipate, you can make up for that. So I just 495 00:30:41.559 --> 00:30:45.759 felt like he did that a lot better in twenty twenty two and in twenty 496 00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:48.920 twenty three. He has adequate athleticism to be able to do that. But 497 00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:52.839 when you're not anticipating well and when you're second guessing yourself, that's when you 498 00:30:52.880 --> 00:30:56.440 really start to see that, Okay, you don't have this elite four to 499 00:30:56.480 --> 00:31:00.400 three recovery speed. To make up for it, you really have to somebody 500 00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:03.200 who can see it pretty well. So it might take a little bit of 501 00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:04.279 time for Newton, but I do have faith that he could be a good 502 00:31:04.279 --> 00:31:08.119 pro. Trevor, we appreciate the time and the depth here that you've been 503 00:31:08.119 --> 00:31:11.319 able to give us on this Bengals draft class. You can find Trevor on 504 00:31:11.400 --> 00:31:17.960 the NFL Stock Exchange Podcast, thes PFF's lead draft analysts and until next time, 505 00:31:18.359 --> 00:31:22.160 that's gonna do it for this episode of the Lockdown Bengals podcast. Thanks 506 00:31:22.200 --> 00:31:29.039 for listening, Wode, and have a good one, hey Prime members. 507 00:31:29.400 --> 00:31:33.799 You can listen to this Lockdown podcast at free on Amazon Music. Download the 508 00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:36.559 Amazon Music app today.