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Thank you podcast joint host Hoho as
he discusses the rimting Netflix original series Black

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Mirror. Now Here he is broadcasting
from the kind of studio. Welcome to

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Black Mirror Podcast, and as always
I'm your host, he say, Hey,

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y'all's doing. I hope you've been
good? I really do. Today

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we are revisiting season four, episode
six, titled Black Museum. And as

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always spoiler alert, if you have
not watched this episode yet, go ahead

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and tune in. You will not
be disappointed. Even if you've already watched

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it, watch it again. It's
a good one. But you know,

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this one not as much of a
spoiler alert as usual, expecial in the

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last episode. But we are going
to be touching based on some things.

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But the majority of this episode is
going to be spent exploring, you know,

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just the stuff. You know,
the technology. You know, that's

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more or less what we're going to
be exploring on this one. You know

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the implications, you know, just
how close are we to some of this

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crap? And I'll tell you what
we're dangerously close to, you know,

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bridging the gap if you will dangerously
close, I mean, holy coward,

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dangerously close. Now whenever I first
seen the title of this one, I

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was not skeptical, you know,
I kind of figured, you know,

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that this would be an episode that
would you know, tie in some things,

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you know, just not introduced,
but it would it would link to

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other episodes. And I was right, you know, I mean it did.

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In the first minute where the protagonist
goes into the Black Museum, you

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see referenced, you know, through
you know, objects that you see like

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four maybe five different episodes, like
right there. But you know, just

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the the allure of this episode is
in all the easter riggs that are strung

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out within the Black Museum itself.
I mean, there's several episodes you know

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that are referenced in you know,
objects and you know some of the display

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pieces and whatnot. And of course, you know, the technology that they're

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utilizing in this episode is technology that
we have seen in various forms and stages

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throughout the series. You know,
the several different episodes you know that dealing

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with the same thing that they're dealing
with here, you know, not just

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in episodisodes that we have already seen, but in episodes that are yet to

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come in season five, you know, and obviously I haven't watched season six

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yet can't wait to you know,
watch season six. I'm excited about it,

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I really am. You know,
just so many episodes that are that

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are referencing here now this one is
no different from all the rest of them

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because, you know, one of
the things that I that I like about

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Black Mirror is that each episode is
its own story. You know, you

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don't have to watch each individual,
you know, episode in you know,

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in series, you know, in
in episodic order, in order to understand

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what's going on. You don't need
to do that, and that I think

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is pretty awesome about the series in
all honesty, you know, but I

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gotta be you know, I hate
how they how they do it, you

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know. I mean you go into
the episodes and I mean it's just like

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it's backwards ordered. Everything is backwards
or it's ridiculous, you know, I

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mean, it's why they do it
that way. I have absolutely no idea.

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You know, Normally, you got
you know, one all the way

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down, you know, the first
one down to the last one, and

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you just hit play and it'll just
keep on going and there you go.

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But this one is like the last
ones first, you know, and it's

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like it's it's reversed ordered kind of
a thing. I mean, it's you

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know, I mean, you got
to go to the top of this season,

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and then once you get done with
that one, then you got to

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go to the top of season two, go down, don't go back into

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season one, and then you got
to go to the top of season three

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and then go down. I just
I hate how they you know, how

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they arrange the episodes in the seasons
in this series. That's I mean that

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that's my biggest pet peeve with this
one. But you know, whatever,

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whatever, let's get into it.
Let's get into it now. This one

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is isn't in sreaking storyline. I
mean, it really is references different technologies,

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different things that they've done, and
you know, it's just it's it's

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neat. I mean, it's interesting, you know. And in a matter

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of speaking, I see two sides
of you know, both sides to this

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argument, you know, because I
mean, I don't know how you view

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things as far as the afterlife goes, you know, I mean, I

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personally do believe in a life after
death, you know, and that this

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is something that you know, isn't
just a spiritual thing, which I'm not,

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you know, navigating that aspect of
this. But this is a scientific

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point of view as well, you
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once energy is created, it can't
be destroyed. It can only you

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know, dissipate, you know.
So I mean that very much leans you

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know, to a sort of life
after death. What exists on the other

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side. Does your consciousness survived,
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know what have you? I mean, these are you know, just questions

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that we have that we explore.
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you know, several other episodes as
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based on this, you know,
especially San Junipiro. You know, what

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is your belief system on this?
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of it, though, is it's
it's bridging the gap. You know I

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referenced you know, I made this
reference earlier, you know, bridging the

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gap. Bridging what gap? Bridging
the gap between a computer and your brain.

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You know, it's being able to
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it. You know, your your
brain is a hard drive of sorts,

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you know it is, it's a
biological computer, bridging the gap between and

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a typical computer or you know,
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know, a mechanical computer and a
biological computer. That's what we're talking about

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here, because that's that's the part
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terrifying, if you will. I
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some my hands on some information just
earlier in the week talking about you know,

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how am I forget the technical term
of it, but basically measure you

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know, looking at your your brain
activity and whatnot, and you know,

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whether an AI can basically translate what
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of it. And surprisingly and scarily
and terrifyingly enough, it didn't do a

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horrible job. Like it got the
gist of what it was that you were

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looking at and then also using AI
to type out your inner monologue, I

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mean, holy cow, And it
wasn't bad, you know. I mean

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like it did a pretty stinking good
job of translating your inner monologue. Like

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like, I mean, this isn't
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is like, you know, using
your brain to actually just communicate to it,

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Like, holy crap. Can you
like the implications of this technology is

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amazing. I mean think about it. People that you know, just you

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know, are mute can't talk people
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levels of comatose I guess you can
say, but I mean like people that

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are just locked inside with in their
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with people using this kind of technology. That's amazing. I mean, holy

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crap, you know. But the
terrifying aspect of this is what if the

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government got its hands on it,
you know, and no longer using things

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like or at least not just you
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using this and interpreting what it is
you're actually I'm like, dude, I

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mean, think about it. I
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this is scary, terrifying, holy
crap, you know, at least this

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aspect of it. But it's like, you know, I mean, you

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can use all kinds of mind games
on people with I mean, not with

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using this kind of thing, but
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want to think about something, and
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think about it, holy crap,
you're thinking about it. You know,

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you want somebody not to think about
or if you want somebody to think about

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a purple elephant, what do you
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elephant? Now what are they thinking
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I mean it's just one of the
type of mind games. Yeah.

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And I mean, of course,
this is technology that once it comes out,

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you know, the best of intention. Sure, the and and the

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road to Hell is bathed with it, you know, isn't that what the

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saying says. And it's only a
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I mean this is something that you
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what have you these this is the
existential crisis that we're having, right

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and this is something that even Elon
Musk talked about, you know, with

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the development of computers and AI.
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a point that you know, it's
the problems are going to arise, you

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know. I mean, this is
the thing that they talk about in so

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many different movies, you know,
from a robot determinator to you know,

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just a myriad of other ones and
and even you know throughout the Black Black

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Mirror series. I mean, this
is something that's talked about, you know,

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but it's the you know, the
thing that they the thing that they

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say is that you need to start
taking these things into consideration now because by

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the time you understand or that you
see that it's a problem, it's going

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to be too late. By then
it's going to be a huge problem.

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You know, And this is one
of them aspects of you know, who

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who are we dealing with here?
Whenever it comes to this technology, you

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know, are are we dealing with
somebody whom is so focused on can we

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do it? And not focusing on
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that type of you know argument,
And depending on which way you lean on,

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that determines how many safeguards you're going
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first place. You know, it's
just wow. But we're getting to a

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point in our understanding of the brain
and how it works and other things.

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I mean, we're getting to that
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able to map out somebody's consciousness and
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at least somewhat accurately, being able
to translate somebody's inner modelogue. It's like,

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holy cow. That to me whenever
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I wasn't surprised, but I was
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with technology, I mean, we
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I mean, let's face it,
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no idea what you know, what
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they're actually able to do. And
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mean robotics has gone, has jumped
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and actually having humanoid type robots not
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being able to do things and making
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human, humanistic, humanoid, I
guess you can say, you know,

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more accurate to the human body of
what we are accustomed to looking at,

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and you know, AI putting that
in there and making them more and more

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lifelike and believable. And you know, I mean, holy cow, you

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know, how how far we have
advanced in this technology is just it blows

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your mind, you know, I
mean it really does, you know.

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But bridging the gap between mechanical intelligence, artificial intelligence, if you will,

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you know, or just being able
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like what they talk about on this
episode and numerous episodes besides that, I'm

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that is just wow, intriguing,
amaze, fascinating, terrifying, you know,

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I mean wow, So yeah,
where do I go from me?

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You know, this one kind of
went off the rails kind of quick,

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you know what I'm saying, A
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mind just goes in so many different
directions trying to you know, just just

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looking at this whole thing. And
it was one of them things. Watching

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this episode. There was no linearness
to it. You know. It wasn't

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an A in a B in a
in a C and a D. I

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mean, it wasn't. I mean, it was quantum, like just the

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whole thing was just boom. You
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at once. It's like holy cow. You know, it's like wow.

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Because you know, one of the
things that they talk about in this episode

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is you know, taking somebody's consciousness, somebody that was I mean more or

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less. I mean, I guess
she was. She was comatose, but

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she was still completely aware of her
surroundings and you know, being able to

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integrate, you know, using a
yes and to know, to be able

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to simply communicate, and then transferring
her consciousness into the consciousness of her husband,

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you know, that had a child, and then you know, being

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able to feel you know, and
that's actually something that I thought was was

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interesting. You know, I very
much did you know, the premise of

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this was, you know, you
only use like sixty percent or not sixty

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percent, only using like excuse me, like forty percent of your brain,

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and you have sixty percent that's unused, and you can basically pack somebody else

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into your brain and have them as
a you know, more or less a

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somebody who's there who can feel everything
that's going on, and somebody whom couldn't

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interact with the outside world but could
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world, but could communicate with you. You know. But one of the

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questions I had on this was,
you know, how would you know you

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know, I mean it would there
really be that type of limitation on there?

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I mean, if you actually was
able to put you know, somebody

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else, you know, two people
to inhabit the same mind, you know,

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assuming that you know that type of
thing is even possible, you know,

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how would you ensure that that other
person didn't have control, bodily control,

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verbal control, you know, whatever. How would you know? You

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know? I remember back and then
I want to give you know, a

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little bit away on how old I
am. I am aware of that I

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don't care and I don't remember what
the name of the movie is. But

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it had Steve Martinet it, you
know, and he's like walking down a

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sidewalk minding his own business, and
an urn falls out of a window and

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I don't I don't remember if it
just hit the ground right next to him

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or hit him. I don't.
I don't remember that it actually hit him.

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I think it hit the ground right
next to him. And then basically

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it was that person was locked inside
him, you know. And obviously with

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it being Steve Martin, it was
a comedic type of a movie, you

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know, and it was it was
a good movie, and it was you

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know, two people inhabiting one body
arguing on who was going to be in

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control, you know. And I
mean you would almost think that that would

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be what would happen, you know. That just seems I don't, I

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can't BlimE, I'm going to put
it like this. I mean, that

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just seems more realistic to me,
you know, in an obvious problem that

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could arise. I guess, So
how would you ensure something like them?

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Like, I got no idea,
you know, but that's something that you

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would think could be an issue.
I guess you can say, I don't

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know, you know, it's just
it's it's weird. You know, it's

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weird. But one of the things
that they do touch base on and talk

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about on this episode is you know, like the and other episodes to boot,

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but you know, putting somebody's consciousness
into a you know, like what

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happened in this episode was putting somebody
well actually it was. It was the

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same story that I was just talking
about, because they ended up putting because

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of obvious problems, they ended up
putting her consciousness into a Teddy bear and

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that bear, you know, having
you know, external receptors to where you

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know, she could still feel get
you know, physical feedback from what was

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going onto this bear. But as
far as being able to communicate with the

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outside world, that was something that
was way more restricted, you know,

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and in a matter of speaking,
I mean like it was almost surprising right

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on how restrictive it truly was.
I mean, like you think about things

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in today's day and age, I
mean, how would you you know,

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I mean, how could you even
think it would be okay to put somebody's

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consciousness that would give them a level
of immortality as long as that you know

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device, whatever you had them into
was still you know, had power was

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able to function. I mean you
it would give you a you know,

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a semblance of immort reality. How
could you think it okay to basically only

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being able to communicate two different emotions, you know? And the museum director

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had you know, said that that
now you know, at the time that

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they this was taking place in that
that was illegal. You couldn't do that

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anymore. You had to have at
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do. And this one, in
all honesty, is like the base level

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of technology that we're talking about,
because in several other ones of these episodes

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where the same type of technology as
being used. I mean you've got,

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you know, just full on communication
that could be had you know, a

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speaker that you know and microphone that
you can fully communicate, not just with

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a yes and a know, a
happier sad, you know, a green

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light, red light whatever. I
mean, it was a full on you

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can communicate openly outward whole nine yards, you know, and you would kind

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of expect that, I mean,
this is going to be a technology that

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you're using. If you got the
technology to put somebody's consciousness into in inanimate

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object, why would you limit responses
like that it didn't make much sense to

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me, you know, but at
any rate, you know, it's neither

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here nor there. It doesn't matter, you know. Point is, yeah,

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you know, it's it's scary amazing, and just what are they going

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to come up with next? As
far as where we are now with technology,

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you know, I mean, we've
gone so far, you know,

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and I really wouldn't be surprised if
we do have, at least in some

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way, shape or form, the
ability to transfer human consciousness. I mean

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I really wouldn't be surprised. I
mean, especially with what I found out

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earlier this week. I mean,
like truly being able to you know,

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like for a an AI to be
able to duplicate what you're looking at,

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to be able to, you know, transcribe your inner monologue. I mean,

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how amazing and terrifying is that?
To an accuracy that is is terrifying,

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you know, Just so, I
mean like I really don't have much

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doubt that at least in some way, shape or form, maybe you know,

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rudimental and you know, some one
of them things that we got work

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to do obviously, but I wouldn't
be surprised if we've actually been able to

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do it. You know, and
how long ago? I mean, holy

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cow, I have no idea,
but it really wouldn't surprise me if those

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are the things that we can do
now, and I mean I would assume

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we've been able to do it for
at least some time, especially considering that

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it's coming out that they can do
it. How further have they advanced this

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technology? You know? How close
are we and how have we already done

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it? That's my question? How
far have you know? Have they actually

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been able to do it? Have
they actually been able to put one person's

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consciousness into a computer downloaded, be
able to interact with it, you know?

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And what would it look like,
you know, to you you know,

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I mean if you were the consciousness
to God put into whatever, you

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know, what would that type of
an existence look like? You know?

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I mean in the series, in
the episode I Gotta Take a Drink,

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you know, in the episode it's
um you know, the the gal,

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well, numerous gals and guy.
You know. They were like in a

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a big empty room and what you
would think would be a comfortable looking chair,

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you know, and in one of
the cases it had your you know,

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your happy face and your sad face, and that's what that's what it

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was, you know, but considering, you know, would that type of

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an existence look like that to the
you know, to the person that is

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inhabiting you know, let's say,
in this case with with the Teddy barriers,

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at what it would look like or
would it almost be like in the

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movie, you know, a Chappie
Good movie. By the way, I

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definitely recommend you know, checking it
out, you know, I mean,

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it's not exactly an action pack some
of us kind of ridiculous, but at

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the same time, it's you know, it talks about that this kind of

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thing, you know, transferring consciousness
in a matter it's thinking I didn't like

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how they utilized it, but you
know how to you know how sound is

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the technology that they're talking about.
But anyway, you know, anyway,

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you know, what would it be
you're sitting in this empty space viewing it

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through a big screen TV, you
know, the world around you, or

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considering we are used to inhabiting a
physical body that you know, you're you

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know, you're you're feelings, the
you know, the touch reciprocal things that

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they had on that Teddy Bear.
Would you instead of a physical body be

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a bare stuffed animal body? I
mean is that what your existence would more

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or less equate to. And that
to me makes more sense than how they

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you know, did it in in
the show. And I mean, of

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course, you know, I guess
it would be a little bit different,

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difficult to adequately, you know,
give the impression of what was going on.

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I guess with the people if that's
how they did it. But at

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the same time, you know,
it's like, what what would that type

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of an existence look like from the
inside, you know how huh h,

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I don't know, another one of
those that's interesting, that's intriguing. I

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wonder what would that type of existence
look like? So here we go.

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Here's what we're at right now,
half hour into it, and I think

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we've pretty uncovered what I've wanted to
talk about on this one, because it's

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just it's the technology that just amazes
me. I mean, it really does.

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So here's my questions for this episode. Okay, how I mean realistically,

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realistically, you know, how close
do you think we are to being

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able to And I know this is
a question that I've asked numerous times,

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but how how close do you think
we are to being able to actually transfer

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somebody's consciousness, you know, into
a computer into you know, even somebody

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else, I guess, you know, just to be able to truly transfer

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somebody's anxiousness, like the whole thing. You know, your memory, your

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you know, your knowledge, you
know who and what you are. I

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mean, how how close do you
think we are to truly being able to

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do that? You know? And
I mean there's been several movies about this,

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you know, Sarah Gate I think
was one of them, Bruce Willis

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movie, you know, I mean, just with the whole exploring immortality in

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this kind of a way, you
know, I mean transferring consciousness. I

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mean it truly is something that just
I mean, like the implications alone is

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just just wow type of a thing. You know. Altered carbon is something

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that actually kind of you know,
having an empty shell of a body just

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waiting for somebody else's anxiousness to go
into it. I mean, holy cow,

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how would that work? Wouldn't that
be possible? Could you use this

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type of technology to accomplish that?
I mean? Wow? Yeah? Excellent

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episode, Highly recommend watching it,
checking it out, you know. And

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a fun thing to do in this
one is look, I mean really look

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at and you really got to look
at this is something that you really can't

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watch, especially the first half of
this. You can't watch just once.

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You really can, you know,
because part of the things that I find

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interesting in this one is all the
Easter eggs and all the different ones that

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you can tie in and you know, see and okay, this ties back

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to this episode, This ties to
that episode and be able to do that.

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That's one of the things that I
found fun this time watching this episode

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was looking for all the Easter eggs
inside the Black Museum. That was to

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me pretty stinking fun. And there
was many. All right. So the

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next episode we are going to go
to the interactive film Bandersnatch. Now,

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guys, I'll tell you what.
This movie was absolutely amazing. I mean

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it really was, in a matter
of speaking, whenever I first watched it,

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because I didn't just you know,
I mean, I was anal retentive

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whenever I watched this, you know, I mean I had a notebook in

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front of me, you know,
I wrote down the question and the possible

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choices, and like I navigated the
whole thing. I mean, I don't

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want to say I did it methodically, you know. I mean it wasn't

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like always choose option A and then
always choose option B and then just go

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through different things. No no,
no, no, that I mean I

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didn't go through that methodically with it, but I definitely kept track of what

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I did, what the results were, and you know, and I changed

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things here and there. I'm like, I spent like I probably watched the

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thing like in a matter of speaking, three different freaking times, just because

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of just a sheer number of options
that are in that thing. Holy crap.

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So we are going to be revisiting
Bandersnatch next time around before we get

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into season five, and I believe
season five, like I'm definitely doing episode

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one Striking Vipers. Oh yeah,
smithereens. I know, I don't really

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care, but I am interested in
Rachel, Jack and Ashley two. But

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I don't know if I'm actually going
to do that one before I go into

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season six. So next episode is
going to be Bandersnatch. Going to be

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watching that one, having fun with
that episode because that one really is not

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episode but movie. That one's a
treat. So you know, that's all

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I got for you guys on this
episode. Y'alls have yourself a great one

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and I will see you next time. Thank you for listening to the Black

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