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Fame. He'd like to be walked
on a leash and play really dirty,

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kinky sex games. He's the guy
put the cock in the Peacock network.

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Okay, bitch o listen to the
Free Birds. Hey, everybody a J.

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Benzi here with fame as a bitch. This is your free show for

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October two, twenty twenty three.
And there you are. There. You

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are wanting some gossip. A very
cute. Let me get right into the

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gossip today. So you guys feel
loved, still doing the free You're still

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rocking the free. Have you come
over to Patreon? You should. A

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lot of things happened this week,
especially Tupacs, you Coors m authorities think

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they've locked up the man responsible for
Tupacs, your Coors murder. I'm gonna

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get into that later in this show, but I want you to know that

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they don't. I have all the
parts figured out with this murder, and

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a guy like me who knew Tupac
and did extensive research with many people in

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the crips, in the bloods,
and all sorts of people in the record

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industry, they call me. They
come to me Source magazine, Vibe magazine,

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authors who are writing books on Tupac
have come to me to get the

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skinny, and I've given it to
them. But you guys need to go

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to Patreon dot com. Slash Fame
is a bitch if you want the whole

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ball of knowledge about what happened to
Tupac Shakor and who were the shooters that

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killed that legend way back in nineteen
ninety seven. Cocks think they got everything

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with Keyfi d Kyfe d Well.
I'll get to them later on, but

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just know there are many parts of
a hit. There are many parts of

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a murder, especially if it's gang
related MAFI related, isn't. It isn't

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just who pulls the trigger. There's
as many as fifteen twenty people guilty for

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conspiring to commit that act. I
know a lot of these people who work

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that way in their lives, whether
they were the shot caller, the actual

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shooter, the person driving the crash
car, the person driving the car where

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the weapons went after the deed was
done, the person driving the car to

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distract cops from hitting the fire hydrant. There's all sorts of ship that goes

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on, but I'll get into that
at the end of the show to a

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degree. But to really know the
goddamn skinny of it all. To know

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how the all the machinations worked within
a hit or a rubout or whack.

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Go to patreon dot com. Slash
fame is a bitch. I know everybody.

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I've known everybody that's done everything when
it comes to a hit. They're

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my friends, and they tell me
everything. You know, I've been wasted.

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I'm not wasting. I've been spending
a lot of time last couple of

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nights watching the Apple TV series about
Superman, Cindy Crawford, Linda Evangelista,

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Christy Turlington, and Naomi Campbell.
And of course I love it because the

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birth of the supermodels was the birth
of my gossip career. We kind of

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all grew up together. I had
those girls on my wall at the Daily

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News office. I made no bones
about loving them, and just being so

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infatuated with supermodels and the whole modeling
world, and being front row at Fashion

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Week, front row at the Victoria's
Secret show Man. I loved all of

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it. I just the birth of
the supermodel. That Janice Dickinson in the

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eighties was a supermodel, but that
term wasn't used back then. It began

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to be used in the nineties,
and then the George George the boy Boy

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was just wrong with me. The
video for Freedom George Michael, that really

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exploded, and they showed those supermodels
and I think also Tatiana Petitz she was

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in that as well. It exploded. My walls at the Daily News were

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covered with posters from Elite and Wilhelmina
and four three of the biggest modeling agencies,

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and there was just composites on my
wall. I mean, back in

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nineteen ninety two, I was crazy
for Podma Lakshmi. You guys probably started

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seeing her ten years ago on TV
with these cooking channel shows, and she's

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at the Indian Chick Who's gorgeous.
She dated Solomon Rushdie and Podma I had

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on my wall in nineteen ninety two
when she was a kid goes back dad

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for a lot of them, and
people thought I was insane, But I

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just love I love beauty. I
love beauty. So when I was first

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in New York City and running around
the city for my stories and my reputation,

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I remember being outside a place called
Lucky Strike down on I want to

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say Grand Street, the coroner of
Grant and West Broadway. Maybe it's been

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years, but it was when people
smoked in restaurants and smoking clubs and lounges,

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and all you could see in the
window a lucky strike was just cigarette

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smoke, just like right above the
right below the ceiling, just enveloping everyone

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there. And then I looked and
I saw Cindy Crawford. No, no,

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I saw Linda Evangelist, Christy Turlington, and Naomi Campbell. Cindy was

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more sedate. Cindy stayed home.
Cindy, after all, was a valedictorian

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at her high school in Illinois to
Calb Illinois. She wasn't like the other

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chicks. You know what I mean
was it had a background and dancing.

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Christy was just a beautiful girl in
northern California that was discovered along with my

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ex girlfriend, Carra Young. They
were together, they lived in the same

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town. They took the bus to
ghost seats and auditions and crazy. And

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Linda was this Italian girl who was
very awkward in school and then she began

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to be a model and trotted out
somebody Spottler and she's look blowkward. But

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one photographer said I want her.
I'm going to use her for this campaign,

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and he did and her career blew
up. So Linda Christie and they

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know me what called a trinity.
In New York City. If they went

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to a nightclub or a restaurant,
your place was made. The next year,

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you'd have lines around the block with
the off chance of seeing those three

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beauties. So I'm watching this show
on Apple plus Apple TV. It's interesting,

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it really is. It shows you
the inside of these girls. I

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mean a lot of you don't know. There's a part of my history with

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Cindy Crawford what she calls me,
that evil person, you know, it's

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the whole thing. Actually, I'll
read you to something right now that will

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make some sense about who I was
back in the day. And when I

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left the Daily News on I was
pushed to leave. What exactly I thought?

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I want to read these to you. It's my last column that I

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ever wrote back in nineteen ninety seven. Most journalists or news personalities don't get

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a chance to do their last column
or their last newscast for fear that you'll

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say something bad against the company you
work for. I begged Pete Hamill,

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my editor in chief and my idol, let me have one more column,

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and he let me do it.
So I really voted him for that because

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I got to say exactly what I
felt. I'll read this to you real

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quick and we'll get back into the
supermodel tango. So I'm gonna read this

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to you. It was published on
March thirty, nineteen ninety seven, right

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before Easter, okay, and I
wrote an article called Don't Cry for Me

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Wilhelmina, actually a takeoff on Don't
Cry for Me Argentina. I wrote Willemina

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because I was always known as the
guy who couldn't get enough of supermodels,

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and Wilhelmina was a big modeling agency. In fact, I dated the owner's

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daughter, Jesus Christ. What a
long tangled web I weave. But anyhow,

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I wrote that by the time you
read this, I will be gone.

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I always wanted to say that.
Maybe you didn't hear but me in

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the daily News ain't married anymore.
The divorces amicable, mind you. I

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get to build on the successes this
column generated from me, and they get

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to fill the space I leave behind. It's okay, I'll be fine.

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It's a lot like the way the
end of my first marriage went. I

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still loved my life, but I
was always turning my head. For a

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good four years, maybe even five
or six or seven, I didn't write

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the conventional sort of gossip column.
I always aim to report the truth,

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but tried to spice it up with
a little humor and attitude. It was

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about stone cold honesty and the rubbery
face of hypocrisy. Some of you got

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behind it, some of you didn't. In time, I kind of liked

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reporting on my fun more than anything
else. I was living a life and

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compiling memories that competed with the people
I was reporting on. Do you know

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how many times me and my boys
Rocco Chico, Johnny Boy, Frankie Giant

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would turn to each other and say, how are we gonna top tonight?

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How are we gonna talk tonight?
And then we go out the next night

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and top it. I'd be a
liar if I said this approach won me

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the respect of all my colleagues.
But I'm a guy who'd rather change his

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addressed than his style. Here we
go, this is what happens, this

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is what happened to me, and
how I began to extricate myself from gossip.

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I'd be a liar if I said
this approach won me the respect of

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my colleagues. But I'm a guy
who'd rather change his address than his style.

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And here we go. The thing
is, one night, it suddenly

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didn't seem right to eavesdrop on Jack
Nicholson. I wanted to make him laugh

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in his limousine. Didn't seem right
to corner Warren Batty. I wanted to

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talk girls with him. Didn't seem
right. To get dirt on Robert Evans.

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I wanted to sleep and his infamous
bed. Didn't seem right to degrade

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you Hefner's marriage. I wanted to
swim in his grotto. Didn't seem right.

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Inquiring on Frank Sinatra's health. I
liked running around with his daughter Nancy.

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I didn't like snooping on John Kennedy
Jr. I'd rather toss of football

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with him in Central Park. And
finally, it didn't seem right spying on

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Mel Gibson's personal life. I liked
sharing screen time with that guy. So

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little by little, I'm being pulled
away from being a responsible journalist, and

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I'm flirting with fame. In the
end, I grew tired of walking into

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a room and having to decide which
half of the room like me, and

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which half was only pretending to like
me because of my job. And believe

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me, I figured it out.
So you're gonna all stop fronting. What's

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more, I resented sitting across a
table from Robert de Niro and having him

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think of me as a man he
should fear. I hate that Sean Penn

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won't look me in the eye,
that here we go, Christy Turlington thinks

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Aliker, and that Cindy Crawford months
referred to me on TV as that evil

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person. Frankly, and listen to
this. This is twenty twenty years twenty

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six years ago, twenty six I'm
still saying the same thing, but I

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started saying it twenty six years ago. Frankly, the gossip industry has been

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diluted with too many people who think
they have a hook into every rumor out

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there, and they don't. It
makes those of us who do, those

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of us who work hard at making
contacts and honing our intuition, seem like

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vicious hacks. And really, who's
kid knew? You guys know I have

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Hollywood on my mind, and my
gossip credentials don't get me past the gates

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at Paramount Pictures any easier. The
bottom line is I wish too hard for

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something, and I got it.
I penetrated a group most gossip columnists cannot.

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I got beyond the velvet ropes.
I didn't need the special ticket,

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and they always had a table waiting
for me. I did the things,

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I became the item. On the
way out, I want some of you

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to know a few things about me. I kept more secrets than I revealed.

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I protected more of you than I
could have hurt. And I threw

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a lot more left jabs than right
hooks. And yeah, my conscience kept

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me up at night. Thanks to
your phone calls, letters, death threats

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and back room beatings. I learned
a lot about myself along the way.

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You helped shape me, and that
helped me shape the column. And here's

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a little irony for you on the
way out. It was my editor in

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chief, Pete Hamill's short stories published
in the Sunday Daily News some twenty years

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ago that motivated me to become a
writer in the first place. Our parting

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is just another form of him motivating
me to move on with my dreams.

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In a sense, and pardon the
pun, I'm leaving the News for Pete's

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sake, So Downtown dies and my
resurrection begins on Easter Sunday. Downtown was

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the name of my column that ran
once a week. The daily column was

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called Hot Copy. Downtown was about
me and my exploits. But I wanted

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you to hear that because as I'm
watching this show with Cindy nail me and

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you know, Cindy Crawftt didn't like
me back then because she was in love

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with Randy Gerber, her now current
husband, but she left him for Richard

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Gear And if you're Randy Gerbert,
what can you do? Richard Gears a

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big movies thought Randy Garber was basically
nothing back then. Cindy left him for

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Richard gear. It's a story,
big romance. They used I think tinfoil

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as rings back then on a getaway, and it hurt Randy Garber. In

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fact, I put a picture of
him up on my wall because I called

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him to Saint Randy, the guy
who waits for the perfect girl, who

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wouldn't wait for Cindy to have her
dallian to the movie star and come back.

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But before the world knew she went
back to Randy. I knew because

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I used to follow Cindy. I
had Linkling. I had a spider sense

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that she was, you know,
kind of cutting things off with Richard gear

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I went and see her one night. I knew she was going to show

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but a restaurant called Nino's on the
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my publishers told me she's gonna be
here tonight to see Regis Philbin and his

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wife Joy. So I went there
ahead of time. I grabbed a photographer

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from the Daily News, Johnny Rokea. I said, stay outside, bro,

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she's coming. Take a picture of
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picture of her on the way out. I heard she's not wearing a ring.

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And I watched her walk in.
It's in my first book, Fame

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Ain't in a Bitch. And I
watched her walk in and there was no

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ring on her left hand, and
I said, holy shit, I could

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ask her if she's still married.
I could look at her hand and ask

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her, or just make a facial, just make a face where I could

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shrug my shoulders, like where's the
ring. And she looked at me dead

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in the eye because she knew what
I was coming for. And she got

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real close to me and said,
please don't ask me anything, and I

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wrote my book that her breath smelled
like lavender, and I was just blown

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away, transfixed. I never got
the sorry. I didn't talk to her.

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I left, and the photographer,
Johnny, said what happened? I

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said, maybe I'm losing it,
but I can't ask her. Oh man,

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I'm sitting down there for the picture. I know, Johnny. I'm

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sorry, but she's in there with
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she comes out and you can still
grab it. Anyhow, I kept following

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her. One night she went to
a Saturday Night Live after party. I

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metronome this place on Park ev and
get downtown. I followed her, and

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I watched her fake hailing a cab, and then she went on the other

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side of the street when nobody was
and walked down a half a block and

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a car pulls up to pick her
up, and it's Randy Garber. And

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I saw her and him, and
they looked at me, and I nodded

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in my head, like I get
it. I never wrote about it.

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I let her have her privacy,
but I knew that she was, you

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know, moving on from Richard Gear. I did mention it on my e

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TV show, The Gossip Show,
and that's why Cindy said, I'm an

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evil person. I could have been
much worse. Christy Turlington owes me a

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lot. Well. Ed Burns owes
me a lot. The actor. We

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used to live in the same building
in the West Village and and I was

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dating the model Carra Young, who's
very friendly with Christy, and Na owed

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me el your name and all the
girls. Linda, she grew up with

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Christy, so they're best friends.
So one night car I said to me,

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you know, Christy thinks Ed Burns
is cute. Ed Burns was just

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making his bones in some movies.
He did The Brothers McMullen, an independent

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movie that got a lot of attention, and he looked at my building with

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his girlfriend, Maxine Bonds. And
I got that information from car. So

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one night he's walking his dogs,
I'm walking my three Yorkies. And we

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used to walk our dogs together,
me and Ed. And he has that

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voice way up here. You know
that talks high. Not I thought you

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talk so high. When he made
the movie with Robert de Niro with a

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cop movie, it was so bad
they had to do the whole Ed Burns

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had to loop his lines again in
a lower voice. Was a disaster,

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disaster. Denniro said, we can't
do this. He sounds I guess I'm

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fucking Helium. Bring it down.
They relooped every line it Burns did in

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the looping room, like that's horrifying. Anyhow, I forgot the name of

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the movie, but just look at
bed Burns and Robertson Hero a terrible movie.

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We're taking a walk and I said, I gotta tell you, some

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somebody beautiful really likes you. Yeah, I said, yeah, my girlfriend

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car youngest, Yeah, I wore
she is. Oh yeah, I said,

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Look, she said that her girlfriend, Christie Charling, didn't really think

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she shoot Christie Charlington. Yeah,
the fucking supermodel. I know she is.

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She thinks she huote man, really
and I can see the wheels turning

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in his head. Ed was a
player. Ed was around town. You

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know, he was definitely ensconcing himself
in shell business New York with his scripts

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and screenplays and what have you.
And all right, he put himself in

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the right spot to meet Christy.
They met, they had dinner, and

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they've been married and have children.
It's been many, many years. He

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knows. He owes me for that. And they all Campbell's stories. I

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used to nail her in my column
because I thought that when she was dating

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one of the guys from You two, I hated it. She was dating

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Robert DeNiro. I left Robert DeNiro
for the guy in You two. She

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was dating Adam Clayton for a year
ninety two ninety three, and he made

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it very public. He wanted a
date with her, and she went ahead,

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and you know, made his life
by dating him, and Adam Clayton

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was never happier. There's a big
story that Adam Clayton is very He's very

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fine when it comes to what's in
his pants. Put it that way.

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So Naomi's dating DeNiro, Adam Clayton
makes a play for her, and she

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goes with Adam Clayton. DeNiro finds
out they're in France, I think in

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Paris, and DeNiro flies there with
an engagement ring to show her how much

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he loves her. But when he
gets to the hotel they're at, or

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wherever they're staying, Adam Clayton answered
the door naked, and the nero looked

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at his monster. He pivoted,
turned away and went back to America.

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Maybe he slept in Paris one night, but he went back but Naomi I

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wrote about those stories. She couldn't
stand that I knew about those stories.

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She had a great source, and
unfortunately her source was the publicist she paid

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to protect her. This publicist is
very good with me. We we dated

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now and then, and she gave
me everything. She's now married to Kyle

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McLaughlin. But Desiree was a great
publicist who knew how to play the game.

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So they only didn't like me.
One night, years after New York,

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I'm living in lam at the restaurant. Ago after Ago, we all

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went back to Richard Perry's house.
Richard Perry's a big music producer, Rod

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Stewart, Point assists, you name, and he produced so many big hits

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you have no idea. Every time
you went back to Richard Perry's house.

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He had a beautiful home of Sunset
above Sunset Bivard, beautiful views, and

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this room downstairs was a jukebox featuring
all the music from the recording artist he

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represented and worked with. It was
a great jukebox. And the pictures over

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the walls of him and the movie
stars, and everybody brought their own cocaine,

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Richard I coke, and it was
just a crazy fucking who's smoked weed?

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Who did this? And I went
back to his house one night.

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What she'd always invite us, me
and Gumpel and other people and ranging out,

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I'd throw my blow on the table
and Naomi's in the room and she

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sees this. At this point she
knows I dated cars, so she kind

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of must think, well, he
must have something redeemable about him. And

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she comes up to me, H, y, Naomi, what's up?

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What should I call you? Owe
me? That's what your friends call you?

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Yeah? Can I call you owe
me? Yes? Of course you

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can call me ow me. She
pulls you right in. She knows exactly

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what the fuck to do. She's
a gangster. When it comes to that,

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that's too much for you to do, Ja, I think, all

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I should do something you do?
Yeah, but I don't want to see

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you get hurt, doll, Right, how do you go first? And

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that's how we had a little friendship
there. Every time I've seen her since

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then, we give a wink in
an odd because we had that naughty,

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naughty moment. But well, that's
a long way of saying. Watch the

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Apple TV show about the supermodels.
It's really interesting and intriguing, Christy Turlington.

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I'm sorry on Linda Evangelista does not
look the same. She went through

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some health issues. Her face is
still beautiful, but she she beefed up

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and there was a time where many
photographers who worked with her in her prime

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did not know who she was.
That's how big she got for whatever.

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I think, some immune issues,
whatever. So she wears some big clothes

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to kind of hide it because the
other three still look out standing, and

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but she's still beautiful in the way
she speaks is funny. It's good stuff.

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Watch it. Let's talk about Maurite
Ceo Umanski, this guy, you

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know, Kyle Richard's husband for the
Real Housewifs. Don't tune out, guys.

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Some guys tell me, yeah,
I tuned down when you start talking

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about the Real Housewich. It's not
so much about the Real Housewives. It's

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about marriage and general and relationships in
general. So hang on, don't split

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you guys split to write me notes
during the show. You split because I

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mentioned a name. Just hang on, Let's see what it's about. Ritzio

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Yumansky is now wanting to make it
clear that he and his estranged wife,

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Kyle Richards, are separated. Last
week, he promised. Now now we're

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not separate, it's all fine.
We're never thing the same roof. Everything's

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great. I know he was full
of ship back then, but he said,

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Look, we're human beings, Okay, we have emotions, we have

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feelings where we're going through a really
hard time. I get it. We're

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currently separated. We're not talking about
divorce, and we're trying to deal with

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this stuff internally with ourselves privately.
Bullshit, you're talking about divorce. You

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can't. Once you do the separation
thing, divorce comes up. So I

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know that's a bullshit line. I'm
going through this now. He's been confusing

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fans, even confusing his ex wife
or wife Kyle, because he's been insisting

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on a recent episode of this podcast
called Red Mike, that he and Kyle

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were not separated, and he explained
that he only meant to say that divorce

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is not up for discussion at this
point. It is. It always is,

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it always is. They've been married
since nineteen ninety six, twenty six

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years together and change. But things
have been tough one in the past year.

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But we're not ready to throw in
the towel, he said. Now

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they share some kids, the daughter
is twenty seven years old, Alexia Sophia's

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twenty three Porsches fifteen. You know, he says that the wife didn't cheat

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on him with this country singer Morgan
Wade. I beg to differ. I

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could see body language. But whatever
he says. Ah, there's no doubt

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in my mind that Kyle has not
slept or cheated with Morgan Wade. They're

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really great friends. They're filming stuff
together, they're doing stuff together. They're

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not in a relationship. Marzio,
Ma, what are you doing? Of

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course they are bro you know,
they're out there in Paris. Kyle's pseudo

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directing the documentary on Oh, she
has a lot of experiences directing documentaries.

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Whatever the fuck. Of course they're
banging. Of course they're banging bony parts

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together. Of course there's scissor sisters. But he thinks there's absolutely no chance

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she slept with Morgan Way. They're
just great friends. Wrong, dude,

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wrong. He did say being on
Dancing with the Songs has been very therapeutic

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for him while they figure out their
future. It's been amazing. It's made

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me feel like a kid. I
feel like I'm fifteen. I'm having the

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time in my life. Well,
don't feel fifteen, because fifteen year olds

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don't know shit about women. Okay, you gotta go get laid, Maritio,

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you gotta go get laid. These
two stopped having sex a long time

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ago, maybe after the last kid, because you know, I don't know

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Kyle having carpet appeal. That doesn't
come up with somebody in one day.

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When a girl has carpet appeal.
You know what I mean by that pillow

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biding appeal. It's not something that
happens in an afternoon. It's something that's

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im brewing for a while. And
this poor guy can't keep up, can't

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keep up. He does not stay
on the script. There's a script here,

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Okay, Real Housewives. There's a
show dependent upon drama. So this

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is a script that you gotta follow
Morerizio, You guys get paid a lot

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of money for that fucking show.
But if I was his buddy, I'd

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be like, please date somebody,
anyone. Just go out show your strength.

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And meanwhile, they still want their
privacy. Here's an idea, guys,

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here's an interesting approach to maintaining privacy, and it involves not talking about

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yourself constantly. Okay, don't post
things incessantly on social media. Don't put

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yourself on every piece of media you
can get your hands on. Try that

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for a while. I know they
have this bond. Of course, after

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twenty plus years, you're best friends. I get it. I'm great friends

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with my wife Lola, I know. But you know, look, he's

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pushing a reality show. She's pretending
to be a actor. Just it's a

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bunch of lies. So but this
is how fame envelops people. This is

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how a little bit of fame gets
to be, gets to be an ember

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that turns into an inferno, and
you find yourself inside the forge of the

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white hot flames of fame. There's
an irrit there is an irresistibility about about

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it, like a moth to a
flame. They know it could burn them,

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but still they go. But imagine
being jilted for the troll that Kyle

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is scissor kicking with. It's a
it's got to be a blow to a

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man's ego. When Luke Diamond Phillips
wife left him for Melissa Ethridge many years

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ago, I wrote about it a
lot in my column. I think I

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broke the story. Actually I'm not
sure. I don't remember, but either

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way. I know. Melissa Etheridge
called me up upset that I once asked

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in an article, will Melissa Etherridge
make a great father? She didn't like

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that. Clearly she was the more
macho one in the relationship. Lu Diamond's

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wife was more feminine. About a
month later, I'm eating at the table

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at some I don't know, some
charity thing. I'm with Luke Diamond Phillips.

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At my table, I'm at Jesus
Christ. But that's how publicists know

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how to make their money, because
they knew that he and I would have

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a talk and it would end up
in my column, and then their venue

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they represent would be in the column
represented in the column mentioned in the papers.

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That's how the game is played.
A matter of fact, I remember

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one time Ronald Goldman and his wife, you know oj OJ's murder. Her

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parents were there, I mean,
Ronald Goldman's parents were there, and this

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publicist calls me, you want to
go see Rent tonight? I said,

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no, I've seen it a few
times. I love it, but I've

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a j go tonight. Why I
got tickets behind Ronald Goldman's father and mother.

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Oh God, I told them this
day because we gotta go. It's

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the biggest story in the world.
We gotta go and talk to them.

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I go there and there they are, right in front of us, right

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in front of us. I couldn't
ask a question. I said, Linda,

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I can't do it. I can't, you know. She goes,

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I understand, And you know what, you showed me a lot tonight.

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You show me you got compassion.
I wanted to see what you do,

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so let's get out of here and
grab some dinner at Patties. But you

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already showed me that you're not that
kind of person. And that made me

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feel really good. But I just
couldn't lean over and ask him a question.

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I felt awful. I used to
get great tickets to every fucking show,

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every premiere. I remember I asked
ones to get tickets to the premiere

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of Beauty and the Beast because I
was dating this model, or trying to

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date this model, Tasha Divas Venezuelos, Portuguese and South Africa. I told

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you about her, the one who
was going to go to I went to

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Paris to break up her wedding to
Prince Albert. It's in my book,

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but I told him I'm gonna go
to Beauty and the beasts. Why I

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said, it's about you and I. You're the beauty and the beast.

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She hugged and kissed me. Oh, no, Pope, if she's not

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true, is it is? Oh? I love those days? It were

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crazy? But where was that Mauritzio
and Kyle? Someone gorgeous and younger is

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going to sweep in there, Kyle
while you're playing footsie with that fucking lesbian

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singer. Marizio is attractive, he's
successful, and you're annoying. Okay,

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you're pretty, but you're annoying.
And something tells me he's already you know,

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he's already done that. And they're
keeping a lid on it for some

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reason. But as for Kyle,
look, a person has only so much

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energy, physical and emotional to expend
in a day. Does she want it?

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Does she want to spend it with
a tattooed, thuggish looking woman or

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her husband? Does he want to
be a kid again or a husband?

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There's a big questions they have to
ask. But when I see him,

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I think of the horns. I
think of Corluto, you know, but

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Corluto is an Italian. You know. Italians love a good hand gesture.

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We speak with our hands as much
as we do with our words or our

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mouth right, and we can express
a whole bunch of human emotions with our

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hands. Some gestures that use more
often, but one we hold the pine

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corn hand or the finger finger purse
gesture. That's when you put your thumb

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in sad all your four things,
and you put it up like, hey,

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oh, what do you want from
me? You know you've seen that.

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You've seen people use their two things, their index in the middle thing

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at a restaurant and they move it
up toward their mouth. They asked for

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spaghetti or a menu. But there's
one thing we use with the pinky and

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the index finger that means cornuta.
It's the evil eye. We'll use that

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against the evil eye. It's called
the horns. Cornuto is the horns,

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and it's used for a lot of
things. You know, you've seen knick

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knacks, you've seen key rings with
the horns. I know, when you

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put them down, it's a lucky
symbol. When you put them up,

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it's a different thing that means someone's
cheating on this guy. You see pictures

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of people who put the horns up, the index in the pinky behind a

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guy in the picture that means he's
a cuckold. That means his wife is

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cheating. All right, that's what
that means in Italian. You may do

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it as a joke, but you
don't know what it means in real Italian

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Greek folklore. That's what it means, and it comes from a very crazy

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story. The connection is insane,
but this is how mythology works. It's

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connected to this mythological birth of the
minotaur, you know, the half bull,

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half human creature that was conceived by
Pacife, the queen of Crete.

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She had this white bull and her
husband Minos, who was the King of

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Crete, was gonna sacrifice it.
So to uh Minos, the king.

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This horned beast that came out of
this improbable love affair was a reminder of

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his wife, who liked the fuck
around. I mean, she fucked around

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with a bull. That's why she
gave birth to a half bull, half

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human. And the fact that this
little baby came out with horns that those

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horns mean cheating, you being cheatlon, That's what that that's where it comes

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in. That crazy It comes from
that story. We've used it for many,

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many centuries obviously, but that's what
I feel like flashing whenever I see

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Murrizio, I want to put the
two things behind his head. Tomorrow,

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all the people on my patron page, you're gonna learn all about Megan marcol

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possibly replacing Diane Feinstein as a senator
from California. Oprah Winfrey's name is being

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bandied about. I'll tell you,
as I've told my patrons for many,

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many months, that Megan Markol wants
a career in politics. That's why she's

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she's should it up next to some
of the big players in California. She

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wants politics. She thinks that's the
place she's gonna make her money and be

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most remembered for. I don't think
so, but that's where she says she's

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going. But more important, on
today's Patreon episode, I tell you the

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ins and outs of what happened with
Tupac su Corps murder and why the arrest

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of Keefe d Keifie Davis is not
the end of it all. Even Tupac's

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sister has mentioned the last couple of
days, there are many parts of his

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murder and this is only one part. And that's true. Remember when there's

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a hit that goes down that the
block thansters learned this from the Italian gangsters.

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They learned it from the underworld mafiosa. When you're killing somebody, when

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there's a hit going out, it's
not just a person who pulls the trigger

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that's guilty. That's the shooter.
There's the person who orders the hit.

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That's what Key FD was to the
Tupac murder. He's the shot caller he

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called a hit. You also got
people who drive crash cars. As I

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said earlier, you got people who
drive a car where the weapons get tossed

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into after the shooting and they drive
a separate way. You got people who

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crashed that cars into fire hydre So
cops go there. These people are clean,

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there's no guns in the car,
clean license. They know who they're

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picking. That's why he got like
Sammy the Bobervano, who they say is

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guilty from nineteen murders. No,
he said he didn't murder nineteen people.

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He was involved in nineteen plans to
murder somebody. He could have been the

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shot caller, he could have been
the crash driver. He could have been

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a guy driving the car with the
weapons. But either way, he was

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involved in nineteen hits. The same
thing happened with Tupac. They're not telling

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you the guys who pulled the trigger. I know who pulled the trigger.

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Three guys. I've been saying if
a long time. I've proved so many

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people wrong because I stuck to my
guns. And now it turns out that

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I've been right. So you want
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least twenty shows a month for just
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do it. Get to know what
I know. You'll be the hit with

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all your friends when you hang out. Oh, I know the true story

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about Marie's healing trial. I don't
kill Dupac. And then you guys will

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just go on your way and you'll
love the fact that if you listen to

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a J Ben's' show and you'll know
everything I know, you'll be the hit

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among all your friends. All your
friends will say, he knows everything.

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We gotta go there, sell and
sell because hey, listen to a J

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Ben's is show, the Free Birds
show. Leave the birds and come with

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all of us. I promise it'll
be fun. All right, guys,

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I'm a J Benz. That was
your free show for October two, twenty

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twenty three. Come on, come
on, come on, let's go,

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let's go. You're almost there.
Welkis tomorrow. I'll talk to you to

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Wednesday, maybe tomorrow if you get
off to your little bird Perch's talk to

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you. Thank you for listening.
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Workhouse Connect production featuring the endless wisdom, insightful commentary, and sometimes fucked up

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