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Where are we at in society today? Come after me. I'm a man,

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I'm forty. Go ahead, make
my day every single week. I

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put my freaking heart and soul into
this. I don't go out there and

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laugh. It's not funny. Nothing's
funny to me. I don't wanna go

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out there and get embarrassed on Monday
night football. For everybody, I think

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this is the beginning of a beautiful
friendship. So I ain't nothing changed from

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yesterday. Still the same person I
was yesterday, and I got the same

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thing for you that I had yesterday. You know why I'm here. You

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play to win the game. You
don't play to just play it. That's

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a great thing about sports. You
play to win, and I don't care

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if you don't have any wins.
Do you go play to win? When

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you start telling me it doesn't matter, I can retire, get out because

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the matters. The weather matters too. Unfortunately, weather does matter, and

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that's the reason the Tigers didn't play
yesterday against the Pittsburgh Pirates. A double

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dip. It's expected later on today. I've got a got a question for

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you, and a little surprised at
the statements that have been made coming out

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of the Tiger's front office. We'll
get to that coming up. By the

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way, Phillies lost one nothing to
San Francisco yesterday, some first time.

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The Phillies have lost three in a
row all year. That's they're the last

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team in the league to lose three
in a row. Minnesota Stave's off elimination.

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They beat Dallas one oh five to
one hundred. Anthony Edwards had twenty

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nine points, ten boards, nine
or sists. Do you like him?

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I do not because he's a really
good basketball player, not because he's super

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athletic. No, I don't think
he's the next Michael Jordan. Everybody's searching

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for the next guy, right,
Who's the next Tom Brady, Who's the

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next Wayne Gretzky, Who's the next
Michael Jordan? We want everybody, we

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want the next greatest of all time
to be there. Let's just appreciate what

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the greatest of all time ever did. That's okay too, and then to

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have another guy come in and be
really impressive, that's fun too. We

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want a narrative and we hold everybody
up to the highest of high standards.

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That is tough man. Luka Dancic
is not gonna be the next Michael Jordan.

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People in Dallas wanting to be the
next Dirk Novitsky. Why he's a

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former Dallas maverick. Do we measure
every point guard to Isaiah Thomas? They're

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different. I I've never heard anyone
in Detroit say Kate Cunningham's gonna be the

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next Isaiah Thomas. Maybe you have, I have not. We sure can't

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expect hobby or bias to be Alan
Trammel, though we do use the nineteen

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eighty four Tigers as a pretty consistent
example for teams to reach because they won

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championships, and look, you're one
hundred percent right. We're sure it's not

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going to compare them to crappy teams, are we? I would hope not.

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I don't think anybody wants to go
out there in a Detroit Tigers uniform.

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I mean, I think it probably
gets a little challenging to constantly hear

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about the eighty fourteen if indeed players
are are listening to that. But I

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don't think anyone's going out there and
saying, you know what, let's compare

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him to the twenty two Tigers that
won sixty six games and lost ninety six,

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Or how about the twenty nineteen Tigers. What a disaster. That was

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forty seven wins for that team.
And trust me, I know because I

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called every one of those one hundred
and sixty two games. It's actually one

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hundred and sixty one. But I
like Anthony Edwards. I think he's I

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think he's a dynamic player. Everybody
in the NBA has to have some form

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of athleticism. He has as much
as anybody. However, his postgame news

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conference is Look, he's really comfortable. He's a confident guy, which is

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great. Sometimes it gets a little
almost over the top, but that's his

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personality. I'm okay with that.
It's better than me just stiff and giving

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you bland answers and leaning back and
having a smug look on your face.

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He smiles a lot, he jokes
a lot. He's he's kind of I

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suppose there are some people who feel
like you could take him or leave him.

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I think he's kind of engaging.
Anyway. He was big last night.

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Carl Anthony Towns was just as big. He had twenty of his twenty

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five points in the second half.
Will make a lot, and I'm guilty

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of it, as you can tell
just now. We'll make a lot of

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the two big names and the two
big scores. Those are the things that

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we immediately gravitate towards. When you
look at a box score, ask me,

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answer me this. When you look
at a box score, what do

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you first go to? Points?
Right? Who scored the most points?

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I'm raising my hand right now.
I'm guilty of it. Mike Conley was

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just as effective. Fourteen points,
seven assists. Here's the key number coming

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at you. Zero turnovers. He's
the point guard. He got the ball

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in his hands as much, if
not more than anybody else in the game,

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and he didn't have a turn The
other player who was and look,

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Jade McDaniels have been really good for
them most of the postseason. The other

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guy who was really good last night, twenty five steady minutes was Kyle Anderson.

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But here's the problem. He will
go unnoticed, virtually unnoticed because he

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only scored a bucket. But he
had four boards, four assists, and

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three steals. Those are all part
of it. So Minnesota stays alive,

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they stave off elimination, and they
host games. What is it's three to

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one? Okay, so it's game
five at home. Luka Doncic was incredible

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for Dallas twenty eight points, fifteen
boards, ten assists. That is his

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sixth triple double of this year's playoffs. Here's the issue for Dallas. Kyrie

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Irving was one of six from deep. Kyrie Irving had sixteen points, but

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he had four turnovers. He lost
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So Minnesota is still alive and heading
home. Not that the Panthers were on

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the verge of elimination, but they
did edge the Rangers three to two in

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overtime. Third straight game they've gone
overtime. New York won the previous two

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and now the Rangers win three to
two to even the series. Sam Reinhart

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scored a buck twelve into the overtime
to win it. If you put the

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regular season of the postseason together,
that's his sixty fifth goal of the year.

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That's not even the surprising number.
It's impressive, really impressive. But

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I think the bigger surprise, or
the bigger eye popping number from Sam Reinhart

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is the power play goals. He
is a power play machine. Sam Reinhart.

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During the regular season, of his
fifty seven goals, twenty seven were

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with the extra attacker. Last night, he scored the game winner on the

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power play, giving him thirty one
power play goals this year. That's amazing.

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One more amazing number for you.
The Panthers are eighty one, two

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and six when leading after forty minutes. Game five is Thursday in New York.

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on Exus and Bros. We're here with

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you Monday through Friday from six until
nine. This is a challenging and a

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very sensitive subject at times, but
it's the reason I want to bring it

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up, and it's because I think
you are emotional about the Tigers as am

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I. I have said this for
a long time. It's on tape,

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so you can go back and look
at it. The expectations need to be

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higher for this franchise. I think
too oftentimes we get satisfied, borderline content

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with this team being competitive, when
what we should really be doing is saying

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this team should win the division.
Set it a couple of years ago,

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I said, I'm tired of hearing
about let's see what they do to the

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draft, to free agency, to
trades and what they really should be.

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What we really should be saying is
this team has to make moves in order

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for it to win the division.
Put the final touches on. Recently,

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President Scott Harris spoke with Brian Kenny
on MLB Network and the gist of the

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conversation was, I need to make
sure the foundation is there before we spend

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I'm watching this interview, and I'm
thinking to myself, hmm A, when

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will you know that the foundation is
there? B What if you don't have

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it? What if you don't have
the foundation? Do you think you have?

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But now, who are members of
that foundation? What do you like

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most about that foundation? What needs
to be added to the foundation from a

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younger perspective in order for you to
add to the payroll. We've gone over

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this. If you've listened to this
show, We've told you the Tigers payrolls

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one hundred and six million dollars.
That ranks in the bottom half of the

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league. There are teams below Detroit
who have better records. What does that

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mean? Do we always think spending
money means better teams? I don't.

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It's how you spend the money.
Just just because you're spending twenty five million

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dollars a year on Javier Baiez doesn't
mean that you're going to be better,

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right. I think you understand that, folks. The Mets spend three hundred

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eight million dollars on payroll, three
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The Mets are twenty two and thirty
two. The Tigers have more wins

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and fewer losses than the high spending
Mets. The Yankees spend three hundred and

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six million dollars, they're in first
place. The Astro spend two hundred and

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forty nine million dollars. That's their
payroll, and the Astros right now are

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seven games under five hundred, so
it doesn't equate necessarily to automatic wins.

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Teams like Tampa, Cleveland, Baltimore
all spend fewer dollars than the Detroit Tigers,

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and Tampa's under five hundred two by
the way, So I'm not a

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big believer that you've got to spend
money, but here's what you do have

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to do. You have to address
your team's needs if you don't have them

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within house, and it's pretty obvious
the Tigers don't. So saying you want

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to build the foundation before you spend
money is very Nearrick. Can we be

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more specific on what the foundation is
and does it have to be a youthful

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foundation. I'll give you an example. We think that the Tigers are young,

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and they are from a hitter standpoint, they are the fifth youngest team

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in baseball. Okay, pitching age, they are the seventh youngest team in

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baseball, but hitting wise, as
I mentioned they are the fifth youngest team

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in baseball. Here's the issue.
Three of the teams that are younger than

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Detroit from a batting position average age
are much much better than Detroit. Cleveland,

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Milwaukee, and Baltimore. Those teams
are all younger per age per batter

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than the Detroit Tigers. Tigers are
twenty seven point two according to Baseball Reference,

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twenty seven point two, Cleveland's younger, Milwaukee's younger, Oakland, and

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Baltimore and Boston where they visit tomorrow
is right there with them, basically tied.

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My confusion is Scott Heros says he's
confident the resources will be here.

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He said, from the moment I
got here, Chris Willich said that we

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would have the resources we would need
to be a really competitive club. Resources

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in payroll are different, right,
you understand that, right? I mean

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resources could be a new team plane, which they got this year. Resources

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could be improved locker room, clubhouse. There's a lot of different ways to

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use resources. I'm talking about player
payroll. What do you think? What

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do you and I what can we
come to an agreement on the payroll should

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be? I think it should be
somewhere. I mean everybody talks about markets,

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we always hear about well, it's
a small market, this, that,

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and the other thing, which always
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what do you mean by a market? Miami is a big market television wise,

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but people will say, well,
it's a small market team. How

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so because they don't spend money,
because they don't draw people. They've got

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people in Miami, it's no doubt
about that. But you're trying to tell

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me that it's a small market team. Huh? Why, it's very It's

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it's just kind of tell me the
teams in baseball that are small markets.

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Kansas City, yep, right on, Cincinnati, yes, Tampa, uh

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huh. Oakland is a big market. Oakland is a big television market.

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That's where the market word comes from. If you're talking about fans, it's

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different. Although Oakland's got a ton
of fans, they just don't go to

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games. They have three thousand a
game because their ownership has given up on

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them and they're moving. Why would
you go the Tigers ranked twenty third?

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Do you believe Kansas City should be
spending more than Detroit or Washington or Milwaukee?

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Milwaukee small market? Do you think
Minnesota should be spending more than Detroit

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because they all do. Will continue
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the conversation that Scott Harris had on
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of mother Nature. They were scheduled
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including Game two, which will be
against Paul Skeens, who we talked about

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a little bit yesterday. But Kenny
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Harris if the Tiger's planned to spend
money like they used to. Everybody knows

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Detroit had a top ten MLB payroll
for six seasons under Mike Killich. At

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one point it was over two hundred
million dollars. In twenty sixteen, over

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two hundred million bucks. That would
be it was just a little over two

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hundred that would be eleventh right now
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not expecting them, nor should you, to spend that kind of money.

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But I think it's fair to say
that this team, and we don't you

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know, we don't have access to
the books, but I think it's fair

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to say this team can operate on
a budget of about one hundred forty five

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one hundred and fifty million dollars.
That's Colorado, That's that's middle of the

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pack. Is that asking for too
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There's a lug youry tax if you
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We understand that people in Houston are
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money, and yet their payroll's third
highest in baseball. Think about that?

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Is enough made that Detroit doesn't spend
You knew and they spent more money last

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year than they than they do this
year. That was because of the camera

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contract. Everybody knows that, right
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spending, it was still just one
hundred. I say, just it's not

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my money. One hundred and twenty
one hundred and twenty two. I'll round

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up one hundred and twenty two million
dollars and that ranked twentieth again Milwaukee,

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Seattle, Colorado spending more than Detroit. I wouldn't go into a season if

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I'm the owner or a general manager
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we have to spend more than this
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sake of doing it. That's ridiculous. You don't spend money just for the

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sake of spending money. You spend
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trouble. And it's pretty obvious the
trouble Detroit has gotten into in the past

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or are currently in see Javier Bias
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any sane baseball fan of the Detroit
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a ton of money at some guy
for the sake of doing it. You

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do not do that. But if
you're looking for the foundation first, you

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have to be more specific on what
that foundation is. What is the foundation

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of the Detroit Tigers, because then
it makes you and I kind of guess,

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have an educated guess on what it
should be. So let's do that.

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What do we think the foundation of
the Detroit Tigers is? It's Riley

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Green? Yes? Is it?
Wentzi Perez? Could be a guy,

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could be a guy. Don't know
if he's an everyday guy. It could

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be a guy. It's cold,
Keith, Absolutely, it's cold, Keith.

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It has to be. Why you
ask, well, isn't it pretty

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obvious when you go out and you're
willing to spend and you know, kind

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of give this kid a long term
contract when he hasn't played a single inning

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in the majors? Then of course
that commitment right there tells you he is

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a key piece moving forward. That's
not hard to figure out. So what

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else? What else would there be? Trek Scubel, Well, I would

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hope so, and I think so. But he's a free agent in a

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couple of years. You get him
this year and you get him next.

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Is it? Ries Olsen? Yep? Is it? Casey Mize and Spencer

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Torkulsen. Just because they're one overalls
doesn't mean that they're the foundation they should

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be, But it doesn't mean that
they're the foundation because you could easily because

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they were drafted under a different regime. They haven't necessarily proven themselves long term.

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They haven't. It's tough to say
that, but it's true. Would

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you have taken them if you were
the general manager in charge of that draft?

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Probably? Yeah. Don't tell me
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You were okay based on what he
did, and we hear this from

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fans all the time. This is
what we need. You needed offense,

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that's what you were going to get. Okay. You would have faced severius

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severe backlash if you didn't. Serious
second guessing myz might have been a little

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different situation, but a pretty damn
good picture. At Auburn, I was

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a big Alec Bohm fan. With
Chita State he went third overall, he's

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been pretty damn good. Whatever,
Okay, is the foundation? Max Clark

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who's in low A. By the
way, why at Langford is starting for

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the Texas Rangers or playing significant games
for the Texas Rangers anyway? Is it?

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Jackson job who's in double A?
What is the foundation? Don't tell

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me the foundation is Jake Rogers,
Mark Canna jave Er Baiez, it's not

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stop with that crap. So you're
waiting to build the foundation before you're going

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to spend money, or spend a
lot of money. In other words,

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it's going to be a while because
their offseason acquisitions did not address this team's

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most glaring needs. Anybody who disagrees, I don't know how you can disagree

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with that. I just don't.
So that's part of my issue with what's

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going on here. Does it make
it easier to argue because this team is

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twenty six and twenty seven, Yeah, it does, no doubt. I'm

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not going to get lost. I
think I've been pretty level with this early

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on. When they started six and
oh, I was like, it's six

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games, let's relax. Then when
they went through a prolonged losing streak struggled

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mightily, I said, relax.
Does this team have the ability to turn

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around and win eight of eleven?
I said, yeah, I think they

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do. There's a lot of things
that have to go right, but I

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think they can do that. They
lost a little bit more, they win

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three straight games. I'm not getting
too caught up in that either. That's

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the hard thing about baseball. I
was thinking about this last night. You

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flip back and forth, you see
the Phillies and Giants a little bit,

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and you're going, man, love
that Phillies team. They're struggling to score

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runs here against San Francisco. They
end up losing one ZIP in ten innings,

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and I'm thinking to myself, as
good as that team is off to

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the best start in franchise history.
And at one point, over a thirty

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five game stretch, they were twenty
nine at six. That's over a thirty

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five game stretch, twenty nine and
six, which or maybe it was you

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know what, I think it might
have been over a forty game stretch.

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Well, either way, it popped
in my head how good the Tigers were

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in eighty four when they went thirty
five and five. So, either way,

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Philly's off to the best start in
franchise history. They've lost three in

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a row. Are people overreacting in
Philadelphia? The hard thing about baseball is

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to try and keep it level headed
day in and day out, not rush

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to judgment day in and day out, get too high, get too low.

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It's very similar to what the athletes
are going through and the managers are

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going through. There's no reason to
panic. Just yet. But there does

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come a time where you start to
buy in or you start to disbelieve.

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They have to give you something to
force you to believe or opt out one

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way or the other. And right
now, this team ten games back in

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the division. It's a lot to
make up against a quality Cleveland team.

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The Cleveland wins again last night,
Jose ramiros homers again. The only way

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they're coming back to the pack is
if he gets hurt. So what you

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have to do is you have to
find out as a fan, am I

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in or am I out? But
there has to be a moment of that

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season in which it turns for you. I don't know if you've reached that

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point, but this discussion that Scott
Harris had with Brian Kenny on MLB Network

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yesterday does not help those who want
to buy in but are straddling the fence

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right now because you don't have a
definition of what the foundation is. And

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if you believe the definition of the
foundation is young everyday players, then the

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answer to that is it's not in
place yet. Fair enough, how can

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you argue with that because the young
players are not in place. If you're

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looking at young players, you're seeing
Riley Green, Spencer Torkulsen, maybe Carrie

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Carpenter, Wenzel Perez. But they're
not playing every day. Hey, they

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sure hasn't They sure have not instilled
the confidence you would like as a Tigers

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fan. You're not seeing the growth
that you expected to see. There's a

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progress that you feel needs to take
place in order for you to be emotionally

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invested in buying in. I don't
believe it's there. Meyer Hotline eight sixty

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Who do we got this morning? Yeah,

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we got Maury and Grand Rapids.
Maury, Good morning, Man.

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Good morning to you guys. Hey, I ask you, Chef, because

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I feel like your opinion in this
area is probably a little stronger and more

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validated than most guys like myself,
just because of your affiliation with the game.

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And I'm not suggesting anything when I
ask you your opinion on this,

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but I think it's something that people
like me fans think about eventually as pertaining

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the hobby bias. So when you
see a guy with Hobby's talent struggle like

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he's struggling eventually, the question comes
up, or the thought rather is,

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well, does this guy really care? You know what I mean? Like,

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yeah, he don't care? You
know what I mean, Look at

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all that money's making that guy don't
care? Man? You know, you

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know he's getting paid. Sometimes that's
where people's thought process goes, because it

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does get me fuddling, you know, when you see the history of the

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talent and then this guy just looking
like he's lost. Now let's say that.

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I'm not saying he does or head
does that, but let's say that

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he does. And I wonder how
open guys like that are to their coaches

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and outside perspective once they've attained that
level of success, you know what I

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mean, Like, who's in this
dude's ear? And is he really working

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hard or is it behind the scenes? I guess what, you know what

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hobby he just kind of gives everybody
the hand and does his own thing.

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I would tell you this. I
think Javier Bias crit cares a great deal.

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I think he does work hard.
Could he work harder? I think

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everybody could. I don't think.
You know, he's not the first one

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at the ballpark and the last one
to leave. That doesn't always necessarily mean

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you're not working hard. I think
it's about what you do while you're there

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rather than the amount of time that
you are there. I mean, you

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probably, as a young guy,
used to go to the gym. Does

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it matter that you're there for two
and a half hours and you don't work

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out that hard, or if you're
there for an hour and you sweat everything

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you got in that hour. Here's
this is what I've always said about Hovier

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Buys. And it's not that I
don't like him, because I do like

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him. I can't say that he
was the first free agent shortstop I wanted

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the Tigers to sign. As a
matter of fact, of the Big five

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during that season, he was last
on my list. However, I don't

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believe that Javier Baiez has ever been
this incredible talent that every team covets.

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He's a two time All Star,
he's a goal one time goal Glove winner,

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and he won a Silver Slugger.
He had an incredible season in twenty

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eighteen with the Cubs when he led
the league in RBIs and batted two ninety.

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That's the highest he's ever batted.
He's always been a high strikeout guy

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always, so when people say,
oh, this incredible talent. Look,

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he's got a flare at times.
Defensively, I think there's a huge swing

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and miss factor there. Obviously,
he led the league in strikeouts in twenty

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twenty one. He's you know,
when you strike out one hundred and forty

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seven times, that's a lot.
And he did that in twenty twenty two

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in a four one hundred and forty
four games, he struck out one hundred

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and forty seven times. So I
guess a lot of this is about expectation

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because the amount of money he makes. Maury, I think people think he

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should be a lot better. If
you look at his track record, he's

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been an okay player. He's he's
been a good player. He hasn't been

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a great player. He's not a
franchise player. I don't think he's ever

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been a franchise player. No,
no, probably not. But I will

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say that ship when that dude was
going right, you know, and consistent.

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I mean, dude's a difference maker. I mean that much we've seen

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and I don't know. It's just
like I said, not suggesting. I

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don't know the guy, but as
a fan, eventually I feel like people

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get there. So I appreciate it. Yeah, yeah, listen, yeah

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you too, thanks to the phone
call. I don't when he's going right?

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When has he gone right for the
Tiger? And I'm talking about a

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season. I'm not talking about the
end of twenty twenty two, when he

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led the team in Homers was seventeen. I'm talking about a full season,

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which is hard. I understand that. I'm just asking when is he going

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right? I gave you one season
when he was twenty five years old.

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He's thirty one. Now. It's
not going to happen. That's my belief.

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I don't think it's going to happen. I think when players struggle.

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I'm not saying Mory feels is,
but I think when players struggle, people

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say do they really care? Absolutely? He cares. There's no doubt about

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it. No athlete, a type
a person ever wants to go out and

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be embarrassed. Nobody wants to be
booed at home. Nobody wants to go

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into a clubhouse and feel like they
are not the guy when they expect to

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be the guy. He cares.
He cares a lot. He just hasn't

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made the proper adjustments or cannot make
the proper adjustments because the same issues are

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from three till six on all these
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because some other nature. They will
be back in action in a double dip

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today against Pittsburgh. Meanwhile, in
basketball, Minnesota beats Dallas one oh five

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to one hundred. You know,
the Timberwolves has led in the last five

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minutes in every game so far this
year in this series, I should say,

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okay, anyway, they went at
one o five to one hundred to

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stave off elimination. Anthony Edwards,
Karl Anthony Towns combined for fifty four points.

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Luka, Doncis had another triple double. He's amazing, man. The

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00:42:30.239 --> 00:42:35.960
more you watch him, the more. You think, as pure as stroke

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as he has, he's he might
be a better passer than Shooter and it

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00:42:44.239 --> 00:42:46.679
shouldn't surprise us. I mean,
he was second in the league in assists.

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00:42:46.719 --> 00:42:50.599
I don't know if people realize that
Tyrese Haliburton is the only one who

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00:42:50.639 --> 00:42:54.920
had a better assist ra show than
he did. Anyway, it's three games

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to one now. MAVs lead it
two to two in the Eastern Conference playoffs

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00:43:00.519 --> 00:43:06.400
in the NHL because Florida won in
overtime Sam reyan Hart with the power play

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00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:10.039
goal. They win an overtime three
to two over New York to tie that

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00:43:10.159 --> 00:43:15.119
series at two games apiece. It
is an exhausting series. I mean those

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the Stanley Cup playoffs, man,
I mean it's just every other day.

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00:43:19.280 --> 00:43:22.960
I love it. I love watching
it, but playing in it, oh

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00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:28.320
god, that's got to take a
lot out of you, man, Simply

436
00:43:28.360 --> 00:43:34.719
incredible. We spent the first hour
talking about and we'll try to dive into

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00:43:34.760 --> 00:43:42.440
some football coming up here. I
think there's I think there's quite a bit

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00:43:42.519 --> 00:43:45.679
of a football discussion to be had. But we spent the first half first

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00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:52.639
hour of the program talking about Scott
Harris's comments to Brian Kenny on MLB Network

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00:43:53.280 --> 00:43:58.599
and how they have to build the
foundation for the Tigers before they're going to

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00:43:58.760 --> 00:44:02.679
increase or go ahead in payroll.
I don't think any Tigers fan expects them

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00:44:02.719 --> 00:44:09.480
to go two hundred million dollars.
I think they understand the realities of what

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00:44:09.639 --> 00:44:15.320
they face now. I think some
of that is also self induced. It's

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00:44:15.400 --> 00:44:19.119
that chicken or the egg stuff,
right. I mean, you got to

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00:44:19.239 --> 00:44:27.440
win in order for people to come
through the gates. You got to put

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00:44:27.480 --> 00:44:30.800
a product on the field that people
want to go see. On the other

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00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:37.719
hand, you need money to spend. People are going to shake their heads

448
00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:38.719
and say, look, man,
if you don't have the money. And

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00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:43.679
again, I don't think it's two
hundred million dollars. I don't think people

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expect two hundred million dollars. What
I do believe they expect is to be

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somewhere in the middle of the pack
at least more than one hundred and six

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million dollars, and spend it properly, and spend it wisely, and spend

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it in an area talent wise field
that's going to make you more competitive and

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a more enjoyable product to watch.
Everybody knew everybody knew that they needed more

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power, they needed guys who can
do some damage in the middle of the

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lineup. I said, I'm not
saying this now. I didn't say this

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in the off season. I said
it during the season last year. This

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team needs to go out and get
a bat like Matt Chapman. That's what

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I said. I said it in
Boston and people were like, yes,

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yeah, that's exactly it. Matt, You're right about that. I'm not

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playing general manager here. I'm not
sitting here trying to tell people this is

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the way I would do things,
and it's the right way. Here's what

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I know. Matt Chapman. He's
got an ops plus of one fourteen,

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and that's a big number for people
in the Tigers front office. He'll scare

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you a little bit in the Giants
lineup. This is a guy who has

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gold He's a Gold Glover. He's
one four of them. He's not a

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all time great player. Defensively,
he's one of the best to play his

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position. He's not an all time
great player, but he will scare you

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in the middle of that lineup.
He adds depth to the lineup, and

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they sign him for three years.
To the phones, we go, it's

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the Meyer hot line eight six six
eight three eight forty eight forty three.

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Ben, who's next? Yeah,
we got Jake and grand Rappins. Jake,

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thanks for listening, man. We
appreciate you tuning in on Wmax ninety

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six point ONEFM. The game.
Hey, chef I were doing for him.

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Good yourself. We're we're making it. It's another beautiful day in Michigan,

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so we're going. All right.
There's a couple of thoughts on the

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you know, the foundational pieces quote
unquote, and obviously my head goes right

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to Green and Turklesen and as may
they not be every single day players.

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There the two guys you would look
to to be that for this team,

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and that the production has just not
been there. You could see glimpses with

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both of them. Obviously Green's a
really good defender and does well with the

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bat, and then with Thornfelsen,
he hits a home run here or there

483
00:47:39.960 --> 00:47:43.280
and he's like, okay, this
is when he breaks out, and then

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he goes back into a two for
sixteen plump. I was just getting your

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thoughts about, you know, when
does this become hinching his coaching staff maybe

486
00:47:55.000 --> 00:48:01.800
not getting as much out of those
players as comparedable some other coaching staff could

487
00:48:01.880 --> 00:48:07.800
get out of them. Yeah,
I think it's a really fair I think

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00:48:07.840 --> 00:48:13.119
it's a really fair question. There's
no doubt about that. At some point

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I knew this was going to happen. At some point, people have to

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00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:22.519
look beyond the player. I think
in baseball, I think it's really hard,

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especially during the season, to try
and get a guy out of certain

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habits, change a guy's way of
either swinging, standing, throwing, all

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these different things. I think it's
really challenging. Are they reaching them.

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I know what they do. I
know they have hitters meetings. I know

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they look at the iPad. I
know all the different things that they are

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going to do to try and help
these individuals become better at what they do.

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Spencer Torkolsen is one of the first
ones of the ballpark every single day.

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00:49:04.159 --> 00:49:07.079
He and Riley Green are there,
Carrie Carpenter is there. Those guys

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are our baseball rats. But at
some point, I think you're right,

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it has to come down to,
wait a minute, who is teaching these

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guys. Maybe a different voices needed. I wouldn't say that from a managerial

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00:49:20.360 --> 00:49:24.000
standpoint, but I understand why you
might want to take a deep dive look

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into what you're hitting coaches or your
coaches are doing with your players. Right.

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I got that. You also head
on, you know, some of

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the guys that we know are foundational
pieces, you know, markna Carson,

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Kelly, Jake Rogers. Those are
guys that are just supposed to, you

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know, fill that void per se. But then I started thinking, Okay,

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00:49:47.280 --> 00:49:53.760
why is Dylan Dingler not up if
we know that? Right? Is?

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Yeah, absolutely right, No,
you're one hundred percent right, Jake.

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I could sit and thanks for the
phone call. I could sit there

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and complain all I want about that. They don't have those foundational players,

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but they're because the guys who are
supposed to be here aren't here because they're

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not good enough. So you're one
hundred percent right about that. I'm not

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bringing Dylan Dingler up for the sake
of bringing him up because he was the

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second round draft pick. It's ridiculous. Don't be stupid. Oh, give

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him a chance, give him a
chance. He's failing in double A,

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he's failed in triple A. Why
would you bring him up to the majors

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and let him fail there? Meyer
Hotline eight six, six, eight three

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eight forty eight forty three. Good
call by Jake. We've had a couple

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of good calls this morning. Always
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Yes, I'm well aware that Dylan
Dinglars having a decent year John in

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Toledo right now. That's something that
Jake and I were just talking about before

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the break. I've been pretty consistent
with this. Now I'm gonna stay consistent

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with it, not overreacting and not
in either positive or negative way. Dylan

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Dingler thirty four games in Toledo so
far, batting three hundred. Great.

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Don't get upset with me if I'd
look at his twenty twenty three season,

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where he played parts of the year
in Erie, in Lakeland and Toledo and

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combined bat at two fifty six,
including two oho two in Toledo, I

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understand it's a long and sometimes treacherous
route to the major leagues. Dylan Dinglar's

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00:52:49.320 --> 00:52:54.840
twenty five, he's he's had some
injuries. I am. I've got my

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00:52:55.000 --> 00:53:00.760
fingers crossed, my toes crossed that
the former second round pick of Ohio State

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is going to be good enough to
reach the majors next year. I would

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love to see that. I'd love
to see it as close to an every

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00:53:10.960 --> 00:53:15.800
day will Smith, like JT,
really moved to a like catcher in the

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Tigers organization, being that we really
haven't had one home grown since Lance Parish.

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As far as I'm concerned, I'm
talking about an everyday catcher. I

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think when you look at baseball right
now, you see the numbers down.

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Offensive numbers are down. They are
It's what are we about a third of

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00:53:43.599 --> 00:53:52.320
the way through the season. Yeah, offense is down, average is down,

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00:53:52.760 --> 00:54:00.800
ops is down. Era pitching has
been better. Era is down last

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00:54:00.880 --> 00:54:07.840
year four point three to three this
year under four. I think what Tigers

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00:54:07.920 --> 00:54:16.039
fans were hoping for and perhaps still
are, is they're looking for the cornerstone

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00:54:16.119 --> 00:54:28.239
piece. Bobby Witt, Junior,
Kansas City fielding war leads all of baseball

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00:54:28.320 --> 00:54:37.320
three point six. He's the reason
Kansas City is where they are. Kyle

553
00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:45.760
Tucker in Houston eighteen bombs more than
Aaron Judge, Gunner Henderson who was leading

554
00:54:45.800 --> 00:54:51.559
the league in home runs for a
while at seventeen and is playing pretty solid

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00:54:51.639 --> 00:55:00.760
defense. Right, you're looking for
something like that. You're looking for Ellie

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00:55:00.840 --> 00:55:07.199
Da La Cruz. Two pitchers you're
going to see today. You're going to

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00:55:07.239 --> 00:55:20.360
see Jared Jones and Paul Skins,
two guys who historically, and it's a

558
00:55:20.440 --> 00:55:23.920
small history, throw the ball well
over one hundred miles an hour. You're

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00:55:23.960 --> 00:55:30.119
going to see some gas being thrown
here today. Jones was a second round

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00:55:30.239 --> 00:55:43.039
pick in twenty twenty and he's already
there making things happen. So we were

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00:55:43.119 --> 00:55:50.639
just talking about Dylan Dingler, weren't
we. Yeah, Jared Jones was taken

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00:55:50.719 --> 00:55:54.440
after Dylan Dingler. Now, he
was taken after a lot of guys.

563
00:55:55.440 --> 00:56:04.280
So let's be fair here. It's
not cool just bring up on one name.

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But we were talking about Dylan Dinglers, so I wanted to bring up

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00:56:07.440 --> 00:56:15.719
the guy who's starting Game one of
the doubleheader today for Pittsburgh. Small sample

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00:56:15.840 --> 00:56:21.760
size for him. I'm not going
to sit there and say this is look

567
00:56:21.760 --> 00:56:23.880
at how great this guy. He's
made ten starts in his major league career.

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00:56:24.280 --> 00:56:28.280
Let's back off for a moment,
and that's the year. By the

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00:56:28.280 --> 00:56:35.559
way, Torkelsen was won one.
We've got some texts you could text us

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Sports Radio to twenty one thousand,
Ben fire Away. It says everyone is

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00:56:39.760 --> 00:56:44.480
going to focus on the owner and
resource quote, which is ridiculous in my

572
00:56:44.559 --> 00:56:47.760
opinion. Let's focus on the flip
flap of now saying kids in the miners

573
00:56:47.880 --> 00:56:52.880
can't get the quality at bats and
the miners versus up here. Just call

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00:56:52.960 --> 00:56:59.079
out Max Clark, McGonagall, Jayce
Young, Ti Madden and Jackson job and

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00:56:59.239 --> 00:57:04.840
give these guys the rest of this
year and a real shot in spring training

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00:57:05.000 --> 00:57:15.400
to stick to next year. Freddy, honestly, you want to call up

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a nineteen year old kid who has
two hundred and ninety played appearances in the

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00:57:25.280 --> 00:57:35.239
minor leagues, has not reached high
A, and you want to call him

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up to the major leagues. Are
you kidding me? Why in the world

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00:57:42.960 --> 00:57:51.559
would you do that? That makes
no sense. You just want to You

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00:57:51.679 --> 00:57:55.679
want to rush through life calling up
every young kid. How long will you

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00:57:55.840 --> 00:58:00.960
give him before he fails? And
he will fail because he's feeling it at

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low A right now. You want
to call him up just because he was

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00:58:08.719 --> 00:58:19.960
a first round draft pick. Ti
Madden has fifty nine starts. Fifty nine

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00:58:20.000 --> 00:58:30.079
starts in his college and minor league
career. That makes no sense either.

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00:58:30.800 --> 00:58:40.280
Four starts at Triple A, four
starts at double A this year, last

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00:58:40.320 --> 00:58:47.519
year, twenty five starts with a
three four three ERA, and you want

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00:58:47.559 --> 00:58:51.400
to call him up. He's got
one hundred and eighteen innings at the double

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00:58:51.480 --> 00:58:53.360
A level, but you think he's
ready. I know guys make the jump

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00:58:53.440 --> 00:58:59.199
from double A all the time.
That doesn't mean that you have to rush

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00:58:59.280 --> 00:59:07.199
a guy. That's crazy. Honestly, that that is that is simply ridiculous.

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00:59:08.320 --> 00:59:15.760
Why you would do that? You
think you think that Max Clark,

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00:59:15.800 --> 00:59:20.639
I'm not I am not one of
those guys who believes you go low A,

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00:59:21.760 --> 00:59:28.320
high A, Double A, Triple
A majors bull crap. If a

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00:59:28.400 --> 00:59:34.440
guy's good enough, if he has
shown you that he's good enough to play,

596
00:59:35.639 --> 00:59:40.719
then you rate bring him up.
Max Clark, Kevin mcconche have not

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00:59:42.280 --> 00:59:45.599
shown you that at all. What
was the other name I know, Tid

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00:59:45.679 --> 00:59:52.920
Madden was one h Jase Young.
Yeah. Look, first of all,

599
00:59:53.039 --> 01:00:00.599
this team doesn't necessarily need it doesn't
need ty Madden, so bringing him up

600
01:00:02.119 --> 01:00:08.079
makes no sense. Okay, it
really doesn't. Don't bring him up because

601
01:00:08.400 --> 01:00:14.559
you're starting pitching for the most part, has been fine. Jace Young.

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01:00:15.519 --> 01:00:22.960
He's having a nice year right now
in Toledo. If he continues, I

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01:00:23.039 --> 01:00:27.960
would have no issue with that whatsoever. I don't care that he's twenty three.

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01:00:28.960 --> 01:00:34.800
I really don't be interesting to see
where they put him defensively. But

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01:00:34.880 --> 01:00:37.440
if he can hit and he can
help this team, I'm all for it.

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01:00:37.679 --> 01:00:44.159
Clark McGonagall, No way. Twenty
seven after the hour. Got to

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take a quick time out. We'll
take more of your texts, more of

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your phone calls on the Meyer hotline
when we return on Exis and Bros.

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After this, all right, thirty
five after the hour, Welcome in Ben

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as our producer. Give him a
call on the Meyer hotline eight sixty six

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eight three eight forty eight forty three
if you are compelled to do so,

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01:01:16.480 --> 01:01:20.719
or you can text a sports radio
to twenty one thousand. Matt Shepherd here

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with you Monday through Friday, six
until nine, talking about the articles written

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about Scott Harris based off the interview
he gave to MLB Network yesterday. Tigers

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will bring in or bring up the
payroll as soon as the foundation is built.

616
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That foundation is not there right now. How frustrating is that for you?

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Knowing full well that this is a
winnable division, that's the whole thing

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about it. You're gonna wait till
the foundation is built? What just out

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of curiosity? If you were to
sign a guy like Matt Chapman, who

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I've suggested since last summer, If
you signed a guy like that to the

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contract San Francisco signed him three years
fifty four million dollars, which you could

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01:02:15.039 --> 01:02:22.320
have done. Who is he blocking
because you hadn't signed Geo Orchelley yet?

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What third basement prospect is he blocking
over the next three years? Jayce Young?

624
01:02:35.280 --> 01:02:37.360
You can find out bets for Jay
Young and it's not like he's going

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to be a goal glove third baseman. A big concern within the organization is

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01:02:43.760 --> 01:02:46.159
where are you going to play him? Much like Cole Keith, they're in

627
01:02:46.280 --> 01:02:50.519
lies part of the problem too,
a different problem, And I'm not saying

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it's Scott Harris's problem because he didn't
draft them. But you do have guys

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who aren't very good defensively. They
don't necessarily have a home. But who's

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01:03:05.679 --> 01:03:13.280
he blocking? Just so unclear.
You could bring in Ji or Schella and

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01:03:13.400 --> 01:03:17.840
afford to have him as a blockade
for one year, but you don't want

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a gold Glove All Star third baseman
like Matt Chapman huh for two years after?

633
01:03:25.079 --> 01:03:30.079
That makes no sense. I wouldn't
want to get caught up in long

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01:03:30.199 --> 01:03:36.239
term contracts with older players. I
wouldn't. It was the problem with Miguel

635
01:03:36.280 --> 01:03:43.000
Cabrera. It's the issue right now
with Javier Baiaz. We're talking three years

636
01:03:45.719 --> 01:03:51.719
and you knew you weren't going to
have your future quote unquote third baseman this

637
01:03:51.920 --> 01:03:57.840
year, so that means it would
be a two years he would have this

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01:03:58.039 --> 01:04:03.440
year if you had signed Chapman wasn't
blocking anybody desire. He might block somebody

639
01:04:03.519 --> 01:04:08.320
for two years. You can't find
at bats for guys. Come on,

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01:04:08.679 --> 01:04:15.480
sure you could just one example.
I'm not saying I'm always right. I'm

641
01:04:15.519 --> 01:04:18.320
just saying that that to me made
a ton of sense. They needed a

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01:04:18.400 --> 01:04:23.480
third baseman, they needed to improve
their defense, they needed a middle of

643
01:04:23.519 --> 01:04:28.440
the order bat. Now, maybe
he didn't want to come here. That's

644
01:04:28.480 --> 01:04:31.119
a that's fair. That's a fair
defense. He didn't want to come here.

645
01:04:31.880 --> 01:04:35.519
I have not heard that that they
reached out and he said, no,

646
01:04:36.000 --> 01:04:42.280
don't reach out, Ben. I
know we got more techs. Fire

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01:04:42.320 --> 01:04:48.119
away. Yeah, it says,
uh rap, buy out Biaz if my

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01:04:48.239 --> 01:04:53.760
Aida continues to slip, move him
to the pen. So Job and Madden

649
01:04:54.239 --> 01:04:59.840
can pitch, decide on Myz and
Torque on what to do with them long

650
01:05:00.480 --> 01:05:05.000
long term by the trade deadline.
And I would make that Steve Kemp move

651
01:05:05.280 --> 01:05:10.280
trade Riley Green. Yes, unpopular, but this team needs to put everything

652
01:05:10.320 --> 01:05:14.559
into a ziploc bag, shake it
up and see what's left by making lots

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01:05:14.599 --> 01:05:19.480
of trades to get his own players
and see what he has now. Well,

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01:05:20.079 --> 01:05:26.639
Jackson, Job again, I'm not
pulling him up after five starts in

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01:05:26.760 --> 01:05:31.800
Eerie. I'm not doing that again. You're just rushing for the sake of

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01:05:31.960 --> 01:05:40.360
rushing sakes. So that caught my
ear and I would say no to that

657
01:05:41.719 --> 01:05:45.719
trading Riley Green. Look, we've
talked about this with the Pistons for a

658
01:05:45.800 --> 01:05:53.320
long time. Which guys do you
have to keep? Personally? I want

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01:05:53.360 --> 01:05:58.440
to keep Riley Green. There is
such a thing as as good players that

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01:05:58.800 --> 01:06:02.719
you want and who can be your
foundation. He's one of those guys.

661
01:06:02.880 --> 01:06:08.880
Wouldn't you agree with that? Don't
you think he is one of the staples

662
01:06:08.920 --> 01:06:14.519
of your team moving forward? Absolutely, you want your Steve Kemp deal,

663
01:06:15.840 --> 01:06:21.039
So this has got to be I
would guess you know, I don't know

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who sent this text, but they've
got their history down. Okay, so

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01:06:27.360 --> 01:06:30.320
ste you went you want if people
don't know Steve Kemp, who was a

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01:06:30.400 --> 01:06:38.519
hell of a player at USC.
But Steve Kemp was he was a good

667
01:06:38.639 --> 01:06:45.920
young player for the Tigers, and
he was traded by Detroit to Chicago.

668
01:06:47.800 --> 01:06:53.920
He was He was a one to
one for Detroit in nineteen seventy six and

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then in nineteen eighty one they traded
him Chicago for Chut Lemon. Later he

670
01:06:58.199 --> 01:07:03.159
would go to the Yankees and then
to the Pirates. But that's neither here

671
01:07:03.199 --> 01:07:06.199
nor there. Trade for chet Lemon. Straight up, chet Lemon was,

672
01:07:06.920 --> 01:07:11.719
you know, a key piece to
the Tigers run in nineteen eighty four.

673
01:07:12.519 --> 01:07:17.599
That was a straight up one on
one for one deal. Who's the guy

674
01:07:17.679 --> 01:07:24.159
you expect to get in return for
Riley Green? You're gonna get a left

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01:07:24.199 --> 01:07:32.199
handed, decent power hitting, good
fielding, everyday player. Those are the

676
01:07:32.280 --> 01:07:36.679
things that we have to take into
consideration. I believe. Look, I

677
01:07:38.480 --> 01:07:45.199
was reading about this the other day. This was a very risky but the

678
01:07:45.760 --> 01:07:49.679
organization felt like they had to do
it. And this it's a different sport.

679
01:07:49.960 --> 01:07:55.679
I understand that. And I'm not
saying everything is equal. All I'm

680
01:07:55.679 --> 01:08:03.239
saying is the Panthers became a pain
in everybody's tail. They became the team

681
01:08:03.880 --> 01:08:11.039
that played with more sandpaper than just
about anybody else, and they did so

682
01:08:11.639 --> 01:08:17.880
when they acquired Matthew could Chuck from
Calgary and it was roughly. It wasn't

683
01:08:17.920 --> 01:08:23.000
straight up, but it was.
It was a very good deal for both

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01:08:23.079 --> 01:08:29.880
teams. Fine, they were able
to do that. That's when some would

685
01:08:29.920 --> 01:08:39.359
tell you that's when things changed for
Florida. I can't say that it's definitive,

686
01:08:40.800 --> 01:08:50.600
but when you traded Jonathan Huberdough to
Calgary for Matthew could Chuck things changed

687
01:08:50.600 --> 01:08:55.520
a little bit. Nothing against Huberdough
who was who had one hundred and fifteen

688
01:08:55.560 --> 01:09:03.680
points his last season there, But
Flora said they needed a shift, so

689
01:09:05.319 --> 01:09:11.000
they send two guys to Calgary.
They bring in Matthew Kuchuk, who had

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01:09:11.039 --> 01:09:18.159
signed an eight year extension. It's
surprised most it has worked out for Florida.

691
01:09:20.960 --> 01:09:27.760
Well, if you can find that
deal. Depending on the deal,

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01:09:30.439 --> 01:09:36.000
maybe it's worth exploring. Personally,
I wouldn't do it because I think he's

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01:09:36.039 --> 01:09:41.920
a focal piece of this team moving
forward. At some point, you guys,

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01:09:43.000 --> 01:09:48.560
you got to say this guy's worth
building around. You can do that.

695
01:09:48.720 --> 01:09:54.159
You know, there are certain players
where you say, Okay, I'm

696
01:09:54.199 --> 01:09:59.119
good there. Let me move on
to the next guy. To the Meyer

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01:09:59.199 --> 01:10:01.000
hoighline, we go, who's up
NEXTVN? Yeah, we got Scott in

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01:10:01.079 --> 01:10:06.880
gr Scotty. What's going on?
Hey, Bunny, Hopefully we had a

699
01:10:06.920 --> 01:10:13.359
better connection. I'm in the food
industry, so I travel all the time,

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01:10:13.439 --> 01:10:19.640
so I am everywhere. I wanted
to give you the from yesterday.

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01:10:19.760 --> 01:10:28.479
First of all, I'm hoops,
not football with us there in the late

702
01:10:28.680 --> 01:10:38.199
eighties early nineties, and I coached
summer camps for three years as well down

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01:10:38.239 --> 01:10:44.039
there, so I'll get to know
Judd. I mean I became friends then

704
01:10:45.119 --> 01:10:49.520
now then I had Then I coached
high school, varsity and JAV for thirteen

705
01:10:49.600 --> 01:10:56.479
years. So until my daughters,
all my daughters, three daughters, thirty

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01:10:56.760 --> 01:11:00.600
five, thirty two, and twenty
nine all hit their you sports and I

707
01:11:01.199 --> 01:11:04.600
couldn't play it. I couldn't do
it anymore, and Mamma said, you're

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01:11:04.680 --> 01:11:12.840
done. So that's the last time
my coach was nine. Okay, all

709
01:11:12.920 --> 01:11:18.600
right, no excuse me two thousand. But anyway, Uh, I'm the

710
01:11:18.680 --> 01:11:23.760
stuff. I think what has to
happen, and people have to take this

711
01:11:24.000 --> 01:11:30.279
sacrifice, and I'd love to see
Scott Harris do it. The guys that

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01:11:30.520 --> 01:11:36.920
have to be You're not trading Green, you're not training school ever, never

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01:11:38.800 --> 01:11:45.000
out throw what started is they do
that. Those are yours, those are

714
01:11:45.039 --> 01:11:53.119
your building pieces, those are your
potential multi year All stars. But with

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01:11:53.359 --> 01:12:00.239
that, Joel, I would I
would agree. I would agree with Riley

716
01:12:00.319 --> 01:12:05.720
Green, I believe it or not. I do not agree with Trek Skouble.

717
01:12:09.119 --> 01:12:14.520
I would reason why. Okay,
I suppose the first thing you have

718
01:12:14.680 --> 01:12:21.600
to ask yourself, will you be
able to afford him after next year because

719
01:12:21.640 --> 01:12:26.479
he's going to be a free agent
in two years. The second thing is

720
01:12:26.760 --> 01:12:30.239
that the question, well, I
think it's one of the questions why shouldn't

721
01:12:30.279 --> 01:12:40.760
Why shouldn't we be because this team
is so depleted of everyday talent that you

722
01:12:40.920 --> 01:12:45.600
may have to do that. Okay, well, I'm faying with these with

723
01:12:45.760 --> 01:12:50.720
these other young pieces, I think
we can get some talent and spend a

724
01:12:50.880 --> 01:12:59.039
little money and not as much.
But with Manning and Mies and Joe who

725
01:12:59.119 --> 01:13:05.720
are will highly I wouldn't say highly, but sours out after and then you're

726
01:13:05.760 --> 01:13:12.600
probably going to have to look at
Heathan cart and I don't want I don't

727
01:13:12.640 --> 01:13:15.199
want to get those guys up.
But the thing that if you want to

728
01:13:15.479 --> 01:13:23.800
win, or if you want to
be competitive, now we're heavy young and

729
01:13:24.760 --> 01:13:29.239
a lot of players are looked bad
as I think all around the league is

730
01:13:30.960 --> 01:13:35.399
really good, really good pieces that
people would like to work with, especially

731
01:13:35.520 --> 01:13:41.119
some really good coaching. And then
you were talking about the bias that if

732
01:13:41.159 --> 01:13:44.920
if I were to coach, I
know they can't do this nowadays anymore.

733
01:13:45.439 --> 01:13:51.199
Back in the old days, i'd
find him every time he swings at anything,

734
01:13:53.119 --> 01:13:59.680
anything from the black and beyond when
every single picture throws in those swingers.

735
01:13:59.720 --> 01:14:05.199
And I don't know why he does. It's a mental thing, but

736
01:14:06.000 --> 01:14:10.800
I would. I know you can't
do it anymore. It does, it

737
01:14:10.960 --> 01:14:15.479
doesn't equaint today's society. Of today's
well. I don't think any coach,

738
01:14:15.800 --> 01:14:18.640
no coach ever did that. No
coach ever said anytime you swing at a

739
01:14:18.680 --> 01:14:21.000
ball, you're getting fined. You
don't do that. I mean, no

740
01:14:21.159 --> 01:14:25.960
coach has ever done that. I'm
not saying a ball, I'm saying any

741
01:14:26.520 --> 01:14:31.239
anything. If a picture can throw
free on the black, how he can

742
01:14:31.319 --> 01:14:36.199
just sit stand there like house on
the side of the road and walk back

743
01:14:36.279 --> 01:14:41.840
to the dug. But I don't
think that can happen. I don't.

744
01:14:41.920 --> 01:14:44.600
I'm saying, yeah, I do. And thanks for the phone call.

745
01:14:44.600 --> 01:14:48.640
I appreciate it. I don't think
you do. You know, you want

746
01:14:48.680 --> 01:14:55.359
to change the eye level, you
want to change his patterns, you want

747
01:14:55.359 --> 01:14:58.760
to change all that stuff. I
get it, And I know how people

748
01:14:58.840 --> 01:15:03.359
I wouldn't. I would swinging a
slider if i'm Sliders can be very They're

749
01:15:03.439 --> 01:15:11.680
very tempting. You know, we
we sometimes forget you have just a millisecond

750
01:15:11.760 --> 01:15:15.239
to make a decision. I'm not
making excuses for Howvey or bias, okay,

751
01:15:15.600 --> 01:15:21.159
because he gets fooled way too often, especially with sliders. But I'm

752
01:15:21.239 --> 01:15:26.520
just I'm just saying that you've got
to be you gotta be careful when you're

753
01:15:26.560 --> 01:15:29.159
throwing around ideas like, oh,
you know, I would just find him

754
01:15:29.199 --> 01:15:31.479
every time he swings at a pitch
on the black, or if you take

755
01:15:31.520 --> 01:15:35.920
three pitches on the black. Look, look what happened to why at Langford

756
01:15:36.119 --> 01:15:42.199
not too long ago, he gets
wrung up by Angel Hernandez, which was

757
01:15:42.319 --> 01:15:45.640
ridiculous on three pitches that were outside
the black. You can't tell a guy

758
01:15:46.079 --> 01:15:49.079
just to sit there and take take
take the only pitch you're going to swing.

759
01:15:49.159 --> 01:15:57.760
It is right down the middle.
As for the schoobl situation, he's

760
01:15:57.760 --> 01:16:00.760
had a couple of surgeries, and
that's the reason that I would be at

761
01:16:00.840 --> 01:16:04.680
least I'm not saying to trade him. I'm saying I would be open to

762
01:16:06.239 --> 01:16:10.680
exploring that if your team is out
of it, and a team like the

763
01:16:10.840 --> 01:16:16.920
Yankees or a team like the Dodgers, teams that have deep minor league systems,

764
01:16:17.479 --> 01:16:21.239
and you can get a close to
baseball ready guy and you can address

765
01:16:21.520 --> 01:16:29.079
a couple of different aspects of your
team, catching third, basement power,

766
01:16:29.239 --> 01:16:32.560
whatever things that you're lacking right now. Would you do it? I would,

767
01:16:33.600 --> 01:16:39.079
knowing that pitching is your strength right
now. You can't sit there and

768
01:16:39.159 --> 01:16:42.960
tell me that, Oh, you
love Jackson Job, you love Tyme Madden,

769
01:16:43.279 --> 01:16:45.880
you love certain pitchers and you want
you're hoping that they can come up

770
01:16:45.960 --> 01:16:55.119
sometime soon when they're already blocked by
guys like Reese Olsen. You can find

771
01:16:56.039 --> 01:17:00.720
that veteran guy like Jack Flaherty,
like a kent to my ETA for one

772
01:17:00.880 --> 01:17:06.479
season? Could you not while your
younger guys are fitting into their roles.

773
01:17:08.880 --> 01:17:13.600
Absolutely, Again, I'm not suggesting
you do it. I'm saying you shouldn't

774
01:17:13.640 --> 01:17:16.600
be opposed to it. I wouldn't
close it off automatically. I don't know

775
01:17:16.640 --> 01:17:20.039
how much he's going to command,
Like, I don't think he's not going

776
01:17:20.079 --> 01:17:26.640
to be a forty million dollar pitcher. Verlander's forty three million, Sure's is

777
01:17:26.680 --> 01:17:30.680
forty three million, De Grahm's forty
million, Cole's thirty six million, Patrick

778
01:17:30.720 --> 01:17:35.560
Corbyn's thirty four and a half million, Blake Snell's thirty two million, Carlos

779
01:17:35.640 --> 01:17:43.680
Rodin's twenty eight million, Aaron Nola's
twenty four and a half million. You

780
01:17:43.760 --> 01:17:49.000
think he's getting that, maybe somebody
will give it to him. I wouldn't

781
01:17:49.000 --> 01:17:53.479
give him forty million dollars. I
wouldn't give him thirty million dollars. But

782
01:17:53.680 --> 01:17:58.119
he is a Scott Boris client,
and Scott Boris has got some big name

783
01:17:58.199 --> 01:18:05.319
guys who've gotten some big name deals. So would you do that. As

784
01:18:05.399 --> 01:18:11.319
far as the text saying I would
buy out buy as well, that's because

785
01:18:11.640 --> 01:18:18.159
that's because you're not the owner.
He's gonna make twenty twenty five million dollars

786
01:18:18.239 --> 01:18:20.680
next year, twenty four, the
next year twenty four. The next year,

787
01:18:25.239 --> 01:18:28.920
that's seventy three million dollars. You're
gonna write him a check for seventy

788
01:18:28.960 --> 01:18:33.880
three million dollars. Go ahead,
no problem, I'd just buy him out.

789
01:18:34.079 --> 01:18:39.239
There's seventy three million dollars, Roll
down the window, open up the

790
01:18:39.279 --> 01:18:42.039
briefcase, and just throw it out
the window. That's what you're doing.

791
01:18:44.640 --> 01:18:47.000
See. I would like to be
away from the contract too. That's where

792
01:18:47.039 --> 01:18:51.720
you and I do agree. But
I'm not so naive to think that if

793
01:18:51.800 --> 01:18:58.279
I were the owner, that I
would do that. Your owner has a

794
01:18:58.439 --> 01:19:00.520
problem spending money as it is.
It is one hundred and six million dollars

795
01:19:00.560 --> 01:19:04.279
at a payroll that ranks twenty fourth
in baseball. You think he's going to

796
01:19:04.479 --> 01:19:10.439
just go, ah, here's what
I'm doing. I'm going to say so

797
01:19:10.680 --> 01:19:14.960
long and give him a seventy three
million dollars for not playing. It's not

798
01:19:15.119 --> 01:19:19.479
moneyball, Brad Pitt's not going no, Dave Justice. The Yankees are paying

799
01:19:19.520 --> 01:19:24.800
half your salary to play against them. That's not happening, you guys.

800
01:19:26.000 --> 01:19:29.279
And don't tell me you would do
that if you were the owner, because

801
01:19:29.279 --> 01:19:32.720
you wouldn't. It's seventy three million
dollars, not seventy three dollars, not

802
01:19:32.840 --> 01:19:39.359
seventy three hundred, not seventy three
thousand, it's seventy three million. Quick

803
01:19:39.439 --> 01:19:41.720
time out them back with a final
hour of exces and bros. After this,

804
01:19:42.439 --> 01:19:47.159
April showers brought May flowers and so
much more to Soaring Eagle Casino and

805
01:19:47.279 --> 01:19:51.800
Resorts. Your winnings are in bloom
every Friday in May, every hour from

806
01:19:51.840 --> 01:19:56.039
three pm to eleven VM two.
Lucky guess we'll have the chance to take

807
01:19:56.079 --> 01:20:00.079
a flower from the bouquet of premium
play. Your next win is only a

808
01:20:00.199 --> 01:20:03.880
pedal away. You could win up
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facts and come back and Seebee.
Don't throw out salaries or other things.

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Get some facts and come back and
Seebee. You can't handle the true now

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told our players you need a bit
more like a dog. We don't need

814
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a bunch of cats in here.
Looking in the mirror, I look good.

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I got my extra bands on,
I got my other shoes. Be

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a doll. We don't need no
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We need more dolls. Why not
a the tain? Are you not?

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That day we weren't good. There's
no sense of asking any things about the

819
01:20:58.560 --> 01:21:00.680
game. I'm telling you. We
laid an egg, So I'm not going

820
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to break it down for you.
He socks, he sucked, but he

821
01:21:03.840 --> 01:21:06.640
laid an egg. That's all I
have to say. Guys, I'm sorry.

822
01:21:06.680 --> 01:21:10.039
I'm not going to break it down
for you. Nothing went well for

823
01:21:10.199 --> 01:21:12.760
us. It's on us. We
have to figure it out. And we

824
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went ah Yoda Final hower of the
program, Glad you're with us sun Exes

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and Bros. Across the great state
of Michigan. Just a reminder that later

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on today on all of these great
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from three till six. The Meyer
Hotline is open for you eight sixty six,

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eight three, eight forty eight forty
three. You can text the program

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sports Radio to twenty one thousand.
Tigers did not play yesterday. They get

830
01:21:39.720 --> 01:21:45.880
the Pirates in back to back games
today and they get two firebawlers. I

831
01:21:46.000 --> 01:21:50.960
made a lot of Paul schemes yesterday, and for good reason, because I

832
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think the dude is you know,
he's thrown it at one hundred and two

833
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miles an hour. The guy throwing
in Game one for Pittsburgh, Jared Jones,

834
01:21:59.760 --> 01:22:02.680
is just as effective with his heater. Let's see how the Tigers do

835
01:22:02.840 --> 01:22:10.079
against them double dip today at Comerica
Park. Meanwhile, on ice, Panthers

836
01:22:10.199 --> 01:22:14.199
use overtime to beat the Rangers three
to That series is even at two apiece.

837
01:22:14.279 --> 01:22:17.520
I said this before Sam Reinhard scores
one to twelve into the overtime.

838
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It's a sixty fifth goal of the
year. He scores three He's got thirty

839
01:22:23.560 --> 01:22:27.880
one power play goals this year,
at twenty seven during the regular season by

840
01:22:27.880 --> 01:22:30.920
far and away the most in the
NHL, and now with the postseason added,

841
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he's got thirty one. Also this
the Panthers are eighty one two and

842
01:22:38.199 --> 01:22:45.319
six when leading after forty minutes of
play. That's amazing. Minnesota shows some

843
01:22:45.439 --> 01:22:50.560
amazing fortitude. They beat Dallas one
oh five to one hundred to stay alive.

844
01:22:51.119 --> 01:22:54.920
It's three to one in the series
of the Western Conference Finals in the

845
01:22:55.000 --> 01:22:59.800
NBA. Dallas is up. The
NBA is off today because Boston swept in

846
01:22:59.840 --> 01:23:03.439
the They are waiting. Let's see
if the weight hurts them. You know,

847
01:23:03.840 --> 01:23:09.399
it's always rest versus rust in sports. Uh, let's go back to

848
01:23:09.479 --> 01:23:13.199
the Meyer hotline. Eight six eight
three eight forty eight forty three, Ben,

849
01:23:13.239 --> 01:23:15.359
who's waiting for us? Yeah,
we got Freddy on the line.

850
01:23:15.880 --> 01:23:18.000
All right, Freddy hope you had
to get a good weekend. Man,

851
01:23:18.239 --> 01:23:24.399
what's up? Yes, you too, Chep. I forgive me for calling,

852
01:23:24.520 --> 01:23:27.000
but when you're reading my text,
the platform kind of cut out,

853
01:23:27.039 --> 01:23:30.880
so I I ain't here here half
of it, and I kind of wanted

854
01:23:30.920 --> 01:23:36.319
to finish the conversation. Yeah,
what was I forget which text it was.

855
01:23:36.399 --> 01:23:42.600
We've had some texting. Yeah,
I mean this whole situation is kind

856
01:23:42.600 --> 01:23:44.600
of a funning to me. I
mean, no one's right, no one's

857
01:23:44.600 --> 01:23:47.640
wrong. It just I guess you
know what I took out of yesterday was

858
01:23:48.159 --> 01:23:51.079
for me, I kind of want
to put the owner to the side.

859
01:23:51.319 --> 01:23:56.359
Okay, forget this, forget about
the owner in this situation. You know,

860
01:23:57.159 --> 01:23:59.880
you know I've heard for years.
Number one, I've heard through years

861
01:24:00.239 --> 01:24:03.079
guys that turn out of MIC.
I've heard from fans. Owners need to

862
01:24:03.159 --> 01:24:06.199
hire smart guys and just get out
of the way. You know, if

863
01:24:06.279 --> 01:24:10.560
Tom Gorz would even do that,
that would be that would be great.

864
01:24:11.000 --> 01:24:15.319
But we've seen it in the past
where owners hired smart guys and just got

865
01:24:15.359 --> 01:24:17.720
out of the way. So that's
why I kind of want to take Chris

866
01:24:17.760 --> 01:24:23.720
out of the equation for a second. Is I'm a little confused why Scott

867
01:24:23.840 --> 01:24:28.520
Harris was brought in. Now,
I understand Avila had to go. That

868
01:24:28.720 --> 01:24:30.800
was I was one of his fans. But I understand he had to go,

869
01:24:31.039 --> 01:24:35.560
So they probably are Scott Harris.
And where I'm confused is I don't

870
01:24:36.199 --> 01:24:41.640
tell me if I'm wrong from what
I heard yesterday was yesterday I heard more

871
01:24:41.720 --> 01:24:46.399
of Hey, these young batterers are
struggling in Major League Baseball because of the

872
01:24:46.680 --> 01:24:51.520
pitchers that they're seeing nowadays, and
they're doing they're going so hard that they

873
01:24:51.680 --> 01:24:57.159
can't get that in the minor leagues. So when I sent you the text

874
01:24:57.199 --> 01:24:59.680
to day, they said, Okay, well we'll call up all these young

875
01:24:59.760 --> 01:25:04.039
kids to bring them up. If
your plan is not to make the playoffs

876
01:25:04.079 --> 01:25:06.960
this year, bring them up and
see what you got for the next two

877
01:25:08.039 --> 01:25:13.800
years. That's where I'm kind of
confused with Scott heres is. He's been

878
01:25:13.880 --> 01:25:17.720
here, I think almost two years, and he's made a couple of trades,

879
01:25:18.279 --> 01:25:25.399
but he's really feeding off of feelos
guys. So you know, the

880
01:25:25.520 --> 01:25:30.960
beginning of this year, I think
what happened was they really think on Parker

881
01:25:30.039 --> 01:25:36.239
Medals to be that leadoff hitter it's
got and hetorical seem to be that number

882
01:25:36.319 --> 01:25:42.439
three four hitter, and they blow
up in their face. So now they

883
01:25:42.520 --> 01:25:47.520
have nowhere because he's got a feelis
guys. I don't know if they're right

884
01:25:47.640 --> 01:25:51.000
or wrong, But that's where I'm
confused, is why is Scott here has

885
01:25:51.079 --> 01:25:57.439
brought in if he's just sitting there
with a Felis guy who's are being made,

886
01:25:57.520 --> 01:26:02.520
whether it's a trade or bring these
guys because you just got done saying

887
01:26:02.680 --> 01:26:08.279
that in the minor leagues they don't
see the same pitching as they do in

888
01:26:08.399 --> 01:26:12.840
the major leagues and there's not enough
for them. That's where our purfiel is

889
01:26:12.880 --> 01:26:15.760
shot. Okay, yeah, no, I get it. First of all,

890
01:26:15.840 --> 01:26:18.760
you can't take the owner out of
it. When the president is basically

891
01:26:19.000 --> 01:26:24.479
said, we've got to have the
foundation before we spend money. You can't

892
01:26:24.520 --> 01:26:28.199
take the owner out of it.
When the payrolls at one hundred and six

893
01:26:28.279 --> 01:26:31.880
million dollars and in ranks twenty fourth. It is all part of the process.

894
01:26:32.239 --> 01:26:35.079
So that's number one. Number two. Their plan was never to have

895
01:26:35.199 --> 01:26:40.640
Parker Meadows be the leadoff guy.
They didn't. He didn't show that in

896
01:26:40.760 --> 01:26:45.279
the minors that he was necessarily a
leadoff guy or lead off capable. He

897
01:26:45.520 --> 01:26:47.680
was more of a bottom of the
order guy. That was never the That

898
01:26:47.800 --> 01:26:53.760
was never the plan. The other
part is Spencer Torkels. Yes, I

899
01:26:53.880 --> 01:26:57.239
think they thought he was a middle
of the order guy. They perhaps may

900
01:26:57.479 --> 01:27:01.159
maybe they still do think he's the
middle of the order guy four or a

901
01:27:01.319 --> 01:27:05.920
five, three probably not. Riley
Green would probably be more of you,

902
01:27:06.119 --> 01:27:10.800
your two or your three. It
shows you, I think, just our

903
01:27:10.920 --> 01:27:16.840
conversation here, Freddie, it shows
you the lack of talent this team has

904
01:27:17.600 --> 01:27:21.039
to fill those specific spots. I'm
not going to sit here and try to

905
01:27:21.079 --> 01:27:26.159
tell you that the ultimate leadoff guy
is the ultimate leadoff guy back in the

906
01:27:26.239 --> 01:27:30.640
day when I watched baseball as a
kid and Ricky Henderson, I don't think.

907
01:27:30.720 --> 01:27:33.520
I think things change. Okay,
It's just like basketball. I mean,

908
01:27:33.560 --> 01:27:39.119
there's no you don't have to have
Isaiah Thomas. If you have Luka

909
01:27:39.239 --> 01:27:43.800
Doncic handling the basketball and you know
he's six' nine, six' ten,

910
01:27:44.439 --> 01:27:46.680
that's okay. That's the way base
That's the way basketball is today.

911
01:27:47.800 --> 01:27:53.800
You don't have the pocket passers in
football always you got guys who roll outside

912
01:27:53.840 --> 01:27:56.159
the pocket and so on and so
forth. So I don't think there's that

913
01:27:56.439 --> 01:28:00.560
standard. Here's your leadoff guy's got
to be fast, him, got to

914
01:28:00.560 --> 01:28:02.720
be able to bunt and have a
great eye. And then number two is

915
01:28:02.800 --> 01:28:08.279
this and number three is that you
want your best hitters getting as many at

916
01:28:08.399 --> 01:28:13.680
bats as possible. And I don't
think Detroit has enough really good hitters where

917
01:28:13.720 --> 01:28:16.479
you and I would say, I
gotta have these three guys getting the most

918
01:28:16.520 --> 01:28:20.319
at bats. That's part of the
problem. Well that that's fair, and

919
01:28:20.399 --> 01:28:24.159
then the Parker Metal's thing. I
think more. I think they were baking

920
01:28:24.199 --> 01:28:27.880
on him playing, even if it
was bottom of the word batt in two

921
01:28:27.960 --> 01:28:30.920
fifty two seventy, getting on base
to cause some handvic and playing good well,

922
01:28:31.000 --> 01:28:38.239
well bet look, batting, getting
consistent at bats and being the leadoff

923
01:28:38.319 --> 01:28:42.720
guy are two different things. You
said they were banking on him being the

924
01:28:42.800 --> 01:28:46.960
leadoff guy, and that's not necessarily
true. That's number one and number two.

925
01:28:47.439 --> 01:28:53.479
I don't know that in a perfect
world they would love for him to

926
01:28:53.560 --> 01:28:57.399
be a two seventy hitter, Freddy. He wasn't a two seventy hitter in

927
01:28:57.479 --> 01:29:00.800
the minor leagues, so why would
you think he was going to be a

928
01:29:00.920 --> 01:29:04.479
two seventy hitter at the major leagues? That they're not. They're not so

929
01:29:05.119 --> 01:29:13.119
naive to the fact that the expectations
people have outside the clubhouse is all that

930
01:29:13.239 --> 01:29:17.680
different from those who I have expectations
from who are inside the clubhouse. They

931
01:29:17.720 --> 01:29:20.600
didn't think he was going to be
a two seventy hitter. No, No,

932
01:29:20.720 --> 01:29:26.479
he's a two forty five hitter in
the minors. Just okay, okay,

933
01:29:26.600 --> 01:29:31.840
okay. But my thing is,
I'm I'll be honest with you.

934
01:29:32.000 --> 01:29:38.760
I'm with him saying, Okay,
let's build a foundation before we spend money.

935
01:29:38.840 --> 01:29:42.640
I'm with Okay, I totally agree
with that. Okay. The problem

936
01:29:42.800 --> 01:29:46.520
is for me is why did you
bring Scott Harrison if you're still gonna be

937
01:29:46.600 --> 01:29:51.199
playing with a Vilas Polker? Well, because you can't. Here's the reason.

938
01:29:51.319 --> 01:29:53.920
I gotta let you go. Because
they got to go to a break.

939
01:29:54.039 --> 01:29:57.920
And I'll address this afterwards. You
can't just read an entire roster.

940
01:29:58.640 --> 01:30:00.439
You can't just take everybody, what
them out and bring new guys in just

941
01:30:00.479 --> 01:30:04.399
because his new president. You have
to. He's got to see what he

942
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has. And we'll get to that
when we come back after this. It's

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think about some of the ideas baseball is

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absurd. What that argument is missing is

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the problem. It's throwing hard without the

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You know the other thing we have
to remind ourselves, And we just got

971
01:32:21.359 --> 01:32:27.439
done with with Freddie who called in
and wanted to know why Scott Harris is

972
01:32:27.680 --> 01:32:30.800
and he's what's the point of bringing
him in if he's just going to use

973
01:32:30.840 --> 01:32:33.720
Alavila's players. Well, you know, there are certain things in baseball you

974
01:32:33.800 --> 01:32:40.359
have to you have to understand on
how you go about a process. You

975
01:32:40.479 --> 01:32:43.479
want Max Clark, and you want
Kevin McGonagall, and you want Time Madden,

976
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and you want all these different guys. You know, you do have

977
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to make you do have to adapt
to a forty man roster too, Like

978
01:32:54.439 --> 01:32:59.520
none of those guys who you mentioned
are on the forty man roster. And

979
01:32:59.600 --> 01:33:02.560
I think the Tigers have been for
years have been way too protective of their

980
01:33:02.600 --> 01:33:06.840
forty man. If you got rid
of a certain guy, made him available.

981
01:33:09.800 --> 01:33:13.039
There's a lot of teams they're not
taking certain players. They're just not.

982
01:33:15.000 --> 01:33:18.279
But you still would have to make
room for those three guys. Okay,

983
01:33:20.079 --> 01:33:27.960
now who would you keep if you're
Scott Harris, do you just want

984
01:33:28.039 --> 01:33:30.600
to if you're just saying, like
Freddy said, if all you're gonna do

985
01:33:31.960 --> 01:33:35.439
is going to use your guys,
then you might as well get rid of

986
01:33:36.159 --> 01:33:41.880
the certain players on the forty man. Say goodbye to Bowbriski, Say goodbye

987
01:33:41.880 --> 01:33:45.159
to Alex Fayato, say goodbye to
Wilmer Flores. Say goodbye to Jason Foley.

988
01:33:45.239 --> 01:33:49.000
Say goodbye to Tyler Holton. Actually
you brought Tyler Holton. Then,

989
01:33:49.399 --> 01:33:55.640
say goobye to Alex Lang. Say
goodbye to Matt Manning. Good Bye to

990
01:33:55.720 --> 01:33:58.960
Casey Mice, Goodbye to Riese Olsen, go out to trek school. Good

991
01:33:58.960 --> 01:34:02.079
Bye to Will Vest Goodbye to Joey
Wentz. These guys are all those are

992
01:34:02.119 --> 01:34:08.439
Alavila guys. You think that Scott
Harris's job, Freddie, is just to

993
01:34:08.520 --> 01:34:16.600
bring in guys that he is supposed
to sign or draft. No, but

994
01:34:17.319 --> 01:34:23.840
he does have to add two and
decide which guys are going to stay and

995
01:34:23.920 --> 01:34:29.560
not. Buddy Kennedy doesn't move my
needle. Eddie's Leonard doesn't move my needle,

996
01:34:30.359 --> 01:34:34.800
but he brought him in. Jee
Orchella doesn't move my needle. He

997
01:34:34.960 --> 01:34:40.119
can't play all the games with just
the Matt Verlings of the world and the

998
01:34:40.239 --> 01:34:45.600
Mark Cannas of the world because they
were quote unquote his guys. Now,

999
01:34:45.840 --> 01:34:54.560
has he done enough to filter in
the necessary talent to go with some of

1000
01:34:54.640 --> 01:34:59.039
the younger guys. That's a question
that you have to ask yourself, and

1001
01:34:59.119 --> 01:35:03.520
I'm sure most people would say right
now. No. Back to the phone

1002
01:35:03.600 --> 01:35:09.960
lines and the Meyer hotline eight sixty
three. What's up, Ben, Who

1003
01:35:10.000 --> 01:35:14.399
do we got? Yeah, we
got Robin Rockford, the Rockford Rams.

1004
01:35:14.479 --> 01:35:16.920
Hey, Rob, how you doing
good, chef? How you doing this

1005
01:35:17.039 --> 01:35:21.159
morning? You seem a little tense. You need someone there to give you

1006
01:35:21.199 --> 01:35:26.199
a hug because you just seem a
little tense, and I just want to

1007
01:35:26.279 --> 01:35:29.640
kind of offer my opinion on some
of this stuff. Fire go ahead.

1008
01:35:29.640 --> 01:35:32.600
I know I'm frustrated. I'm a
frustrated Tigers fan this year too, and

1009
01:35:33.439 --> 01:35:36.840
I just think it's, you know, it takes. It's been a rebuild

1010
01:35:36.920 --> 01:35:41.640
for quite a long time, but
frankly, the first rebuild, I don't

1011
01:35:41.760 --> 01:35:45.199
you know, just wasn't going to
work. And they brought in Scott Harris

1012
01:35:45.279 --> 01:35:48.359
to bring the Tigers into the twenty
first century. And that's not just with

1013
01:35:48.600 --> 01:35:54.600
players, but also analytics and all
that other stuff that they're using. They've

1014
01:35:54.800 --> 01:35:58.920
always been behind on that stuff that
other teams have used for quite a few

1015
01:35:59.039 --> 01:36:02.119
years, and that's where why Scott
Harris is brought in. He's bringing in

1016
01:36:02.199 --> 01:36:05.279
a certain type of player. It's
going to take a while, though.

1017
01:36:05.680 --> 01:36:09.399
You know, some of these other
players added Vila got fors, they're going

1018
01:36:09.479 --> 01:36:13.479
to be there, Guys like Riley
Green, Cole Keith. Not so sure

1019
01:36:13.479 --> 01:36:16.439
about Thorkilson and stuff like that.
But some of those guys will be there

1020
01:36:16.479 --> 01:36:21.720
and they will be the foundation.
But he's only had one draft and those

1021
01:36:21.800 --> 01:36:26.399
guys are all at double or you
know, high A and single A.

1022
01:36:26.600 --> 01:36:28.760
Right now. It's going to take
a couple of years for them to fill

1023
01:36:28.840 --> 01:36:31.520
Trump there. That's just the way
it is. I know it stinks.

1024
01:36:31.560 --> 01:36:36.520
I'm tired of rebuilds myself. Three
out of our four teams are still rebuilding

1025
01:36:36.840 --> 01:36:43.520
and it gets frustrating. But I
think they're on the right track. Yeah.

1026
01:36:43.640 --> 01:36:49.159
No, I think when you look
at a baseball team that is spending

1027
01:36:49.199 --> 01:36:53.239
one hundred and six million dollars and
you feel like they could spend a little

1028
01:36:53.279 --> 01:36:59.159
bit more, I'm not asking to
double the amount of money. I'm asking

1029
01:36:59.279 --> 01:37:01.760
you to be in the middle of
the pack. I don't think that's too

1030
01:37:01.880 --> 01:37:06.880
much for Tigers fans to ask.
That's where the conversation began. And as

1031
01:37:06.960 --> 01:37:11.960
far as far as Skyper, yeah, yeah, and you're right, Scott

1032
01:37:12.079 --> 01:37:15.399
Harris came in. Analytics was a
big part of it, for sure,

1033
01:37:15.399 --> 01:37:20.000
But this is would you agree this
is one of the weaker divisions in all

1034
01:37:20.039 --> 01:37:26.560
of baseball? I would have agreed
before the season started. Right now you

1035
01:37:26.680 --> 01:37:32.399
got Cleveland playing just great baseball and
even Kansas City, and I think that's

1036
01:37:32.399 --> 01:37:35.640
where a lot of Tiger's fans are
frustrated. They see a team like Kansas

1037
01:37:35.720 --> 01:37:41.680
City, who's yell stunk last year
they've been rebuilding. Now they're up there.

1038
01:37:41.800 --> 01:37:45.319
They see a team like Baltimore who
was drafting and getting ill stunk for

1039
01:37:45.399 --> 01:37:49.239
a while. Now they're up there, and then they see the Tigers and

1040
01:37:49.479 --> 01:37:55.039
nothing much has changed. But I
mean, Cleveland is just playing lights out.

1041
01:37:55.079 --> 01:37:58.319
I can't believe they're playing this good. I thought when they lost Francona,

1042
01:37:59.039 --> 01:38:01.279
you know, they would go take
step back, and frankly, if

1043
01:38:01.479 --> 01:38:04.680
Cleveland keeps slaying like they are the
rest most of this year, it ain't

1044
01:38:04.680 --> 01:38:10.760
gonna matter. We're not going to
touch them. So well, I was,

1045
01:38:11.239 --> 01:38:14.119
I agree, I thought going into
it was a weak division. I'm

1046
01:38:14.159 --> 01:38:19.560
not thinking that anymore. I understand
that because of Cleveland, and you're right

1047
01:38:19.720 --> 01:38:24.359
Kansas City's surprise success. I mean, this is a Kansas City team.

1048
01:38:24.439 --> 01:38:28.520
That is, they were last in
twenty twenty three, they were last in

1049
01:38:28.720 --> 01:38:31.600
twenty twenty two, they were second
to last in twenty twenty one. But

1050
01:38:31.760 --> 01:38:38.439
people look at Minnesota, who in
twenty twenty one finished in last place in

1051
01:38:38.520 --> 01:38:42.960
the in the Central Division. Okay, and then the following year they made

1052
01:38:42.960 --> 01:38:45.359
an increment and they were middle of
the pack, and then last year,

1053
01:38:45.520 --> 01:38:49.000
what did they do? They went
up and they won the division and they

1054
01:38:49.079 --> 01:38:54.159
don't, like fans, do not
see Detroit doing the same. Now,

1055
01:38:54.239 --> 01:38:58.119
you're right, you have to be
somewhat patient with some of the younger guys,

1056
01:38:58.199 --> 01:39:02.079
but you can still add players who
can make a difference for your team

1057
01:39:02.600 --> 01:39:08.159
while helping the young guys along at
the same time. And this organization has

1058
01:39:08.239 --> 01:39:11.960
not been able to do that very
well. Well. I think some of

1059
01:39:12.039 --> 01:39:14.000
them, you know, tell you
the truth, Like you know, you

1060
01:39:14.000 --> 01:39:16.439
didn't mentioned Matt Chapman, and I
like the guy. I think he's a

1061
01:39:16.479 --> 01:39:21.560
good player, but I just don't
see guys like him unless they don't have

1062
01:39:21.680 --> 01:39:25.880
a choice. They're not going to
come to Detroit. Number one. That

1063
01:39:26.039 --> 01:39:29.520
ballpark's not going to fit his style
of play at all far as hitting goes.

1064
01:39:30.520 --> 01:39:33.399
And they just don't see Detroit,
I think as a destination. Yet,

1065
01:39:35.399 --> 01:39:38.680
you know, yeah, they got
to get that ballpark a little more.

1066
01:39:38.760 --> 01:39:41.920
You're a little more conducive to guys
with the right handed pull power,

1067
01:39:42.319 --> 01:39:46.000
and I think that just you know, turns people off, and then they

1068
01:39:46.159 --> 01:39:49.319
just they have to get that foundation
built. I look at a team like

1069
01:39:49.399 --> 01:39:54.880
Houston, Matt, you know,
for seven years, they make the Championship

1070
01:39:54.960 --> 01:39:59.600
Series, but they never sign a
big free agent. They always build from

1071
01:39:59.640 --> 01:40:03.359
within. When Korea leaves, they
get pain you. When Springer leaves,

1072
01:40:03.880 --> 01:40:08.720
they go on and get they have
Kyle Tucker ready to replace him. That's

1073
01:40:08.760 --> 01:40:12.560
where Detroit has to get to be
to be a long time, long term

1074
01:40:12.680 --> 01:40:17.439
consistent contender. Yeah, signing guys
is great, but man alive. I

1075
01:40:17.520 --> 01:40:20.680
saw a lot a lot of guys
last teams last year signed all these big

1076
01:40:20.760 --> 01:40:24.880
free agents and hardly any of them
did much. Well, that's why I

1077
01:40:24.920 --> 01:40:28.079
said world series. But yeah,
that's why I said, you don't.

1078
01:40:28.159 --> 01:40:30.880
You don't have to spend a lot
of money to win. And thanks for

1079
01:40:30.920 --> 01:40:33.159
the phone call, Rob, I
think you have to spend it wisely.

1080
01:40:33.319 --> 01:40:38.199
The only thing I would say about
the Matt Chapman thing is the San Francisco

1081
01:40:38.319 --> 01:40:42.720
ballpark, especially because of the wind
and so on and so forth. That's

1082
01:40:42.800 --> 01:40:46.800
not conducive to him either. Okay, So if you're looking at home runs,

1083
01:40:46.920 --> 01:40:53.439
for example, San Francisco and it's
a beautiful ballpark, it gives up

1084
01:40:53.479 --> 01:40:57.720
the fewest home runs, fewer than
co America Park, at least so far

1085
01:40:57.800 --> 01:41:00.119
this year, eighty home runs in
San Francisco, eighty five at co America

1086
01:41:00.159 --> 01:41:08.560
Park. So I maybe you're maybe
you're right about the destination for Detroit.

1087
01:41:08.800 --> 01:41:12.520
I've never been a big fan of
that phrase because I think players want to

1088
01:41:12.520 --> 01:41:15.199
go where they can win, and
I think that says something about what's going

1089
01:41:15.239 --> 01:41:20.119
on too. But it's a good
conversation. I appreciate it very much.

1090
01:41:20.520 --> 01:41:25.079
Twenty seven after the hour, I'm
not stressed at all. This can be

1091
01:41:25.119 --> 01:41:29.560
an emotional issue, and I think
there are certain things that you can and

1092
01:41:29.720 --> 01:41:33.880
cannot do as an organization. The
Meyer Hotline eight sixty six eight three,

1093
01:41:33.880 --> 01:41:38.119
eight forty eight forty three. We're
back with more right after this. Across

1094
01:41:38.159 --> 01:41:42.079
the great state of Michigan on Exis
and bros Hey, you're coming off Memorial

1095
01:41:42.199 --> 01:41:45.199
Day. I get that you had
grilling, you had people over your house,

1096
01:41:45.720 --> 01:41:47.920
you paid tribute to those who are
fallen heroes. I understand all that.

1097
01:41:48.039 --> 01:41:51.760
But my hope is that if you
didn't know before, then at least

1098
01:41:51.800 --> 01:41:57.439
you learned now. By going to
Meyer. You get that certified Angus beef

1099
01:41:57.600 --> 01:42:02.399
that tasted so good at your dinner
table, and aint your cookouts yesterday or

1100
01:42:02.560 --> 01:42:06.960
over the weekend. Make it a
habit. Keep doing that, known for

1101
01:42:08.079 --> 01:42:15.600
its marbling, its flavor, its
tenderness Certified Angus beef is the way to

1102
01:42:15.680 --> 01:42:19.199
go. It's delectable, man,
it's your main course. You don't want

1103
01:42:19.239 --> 01:42:24.479
to scrimp on that. Only three
to ten cattle meet the high standards of

1104
01:42:24.640 --> 01:42:27.279
becoming certified. Where do you go
to get it? You go to Meyer,

1105
01:42:27.840 --> 01:42:30.279
as simple as that. And we've
been talking a lot about Tigers,

1106
01:42:30.960 --> 01:42:34.600
right, we want people to support
them. You want your Tigers gear,

1107
01:42:35.479 --> 01:42:41.319
don't go to the shops around the
ballpark that are super expensive. Go to

1108
01:42:41.520 --> 01:42:47.039
Meyer. You get the same quality, same gear for better pricing. You

1109
01:42:47.119 --> 01:42:50.920
want your hoodies, they've got them. Your ball caps they've got them.

1110
01:42:51.239 --> 01:42:57.239
You want your t shirts, They've
got them. Meyer's got everything you could

1111
01:42:57.279 --> 01:43:00.800
possibly want. It's a one stop
shop and it's the best place to go.

1112
01:43:24.880 --> 01:43:30.520
Hey, welcome back. Glad you're
with us. I appreciate Robin Rockford,

1113
01:43:30.920 --> 01:43:36.600
Yeah, kind of lending a helpful
hand there because he said, you

1114
01:43:36.680 --> 01:43:40.319
know, you sound a little stress. It's not stress, it's emotion.

1115
01:43:40.840 --> 01:43:45.960
There's a difference. I want this
team to win, said this for a

1116
01:43:46.039 --> 01:43:51.079
long time. You know, forget
what what happened to me with that team.

1117
01:43:53.039 --> 01:43:55.720
It doesn't take away the fact that
you want him to be to be

1118
01:43:55.840 --> 01:43:59.600
successful. You want the city to
be successful. I want every Detroit team,

1119
01:43:59.680 --> 01:44:04.439
every Michigan based team to have success. There's no doubt about that.

1120
01:44:05.479 --> 01:44:11.479
How do you go about that?
How do you gain that success? And

1121
01:44:11.560 --> 01:44:15.000
I don't think I'm an impatient person. It's been a long time, you

1122
01:44:15.079 --> 01:44:21.479
guys, It's been a really long
time, and I think Tigers fans deserve

1123
01:44:21.560 --> 01:44:27.159
better, that's all Ben. Do
we have any more techs? Do we

1124
01:44:27.199 --> 01:44:30.439
have any more phone calls at the
moment? Okay, okay, let me

1125
01:44:30.479 --> 01:44:35.920
shift gears here, because we've spent
the entire show talking about this. I

1126
01:44:35.960 --> 01:44:40.239
think it's been a really good discussion. I've enjoyed it very much, but

1127
01:44:40.319 --> 01:44:45.800
I want to bring this up.
I really like Jason Kelsey. He's the

1128
01:44:45.920 --> 01:44:49.520
former center played thirteen years, I
believe with the Philadelphia Eagles. I really

1129
01:44:49.680 --> 01:44:57.399
like him. He's going to shift
moving from player to broadcaster, which is

1130
01:44:57.479 --> 01:45:02.920
pretty commonplace today, and he's going
to be part of the Monday night football

1131
01:45:03.079 --> 01:45:11.399
pregame and postgame show or pregame show
on ESPN, part of their Monday Night

1132
01:45:11.479 --> 01:45:14.840
countdown and so on and so forth. And one of the things he'll have

1133
01:45:15.039 --> 01:45:19.239
to do knowing that the Dallas Cowboys
will be a topic of discussion. Is

1134
01:45:19.319 --> 01:45:24.760
he's going to try his best to
put his if you want to call it

1135
01:45:24.800 --> 01:45:29.600
a bias, he doesn't use that
word aside. He's going to have to

1136
01:45:29.640 --> 01:45:36.680
be able to have conversations about a
team that he simply hates. And he

1137
01:45:36.800 --> 01:45:40.800
said this, He goes, I
have no bias. I just don't like

1138
01:45:40.960 --> 01:45:45.479
them. I give them their props. There's a rivalry, But the reality

1139
01:45:45.600 --> 01:45:47.920
is, even though I hate the
Cowboys fan base, I was at a

1140
01:45:48.079 --> 01:45:51.760
charity golf outing not too long ago
and there was a kid there and he

1141
01:45:51.840 --> 01:45:57.920
said, Hey, I'm a Cowboys
fan. And Kelsey said, oh,

1142
01:45:58.119 --> 01:46:02.520
are you from Dallas? And he
said no, I'm from Philadelphia. And

1143
01:46:02.680 --> 01:46:05.760
Kelsey said, what are you?
A Lakers and a Yankees fan too?

1144
01:46:06.159 --> 01:46:09.880
Like, what are we doing?
We're just picking whatever team we want.

1145
01:46:10.800 --> 01:46:15.359
That's where we're at. I like
Jason Kelsey. I would tell him,

1146
01:46:15.479 --> 01:46:20.960
first of all, the Cowboys being
hated by so many is almost to compliment.

1147
01:46:21.800 --> 01:46:30.000
Don't you think has Detroit or the
state of Michigan ever had a team

1148
01:46:30.960 --> 01:46:38.520
that was universally hated? And if
so, how did you feel about that?

1149
01:46:40.640 --> 01:46:45.439
The team that comes to mind there's
two teams that come to mind.

1150
01:46:45.039 --> 01:46:51.680
One is, of course the Bad
Boys Pistons. That's because everybody in the

1151
01:46:51.760 --> 01:46:57.600
country took their cue from Michael Jordan, So that's that's the first team that

1152
01:46:57.720 --> 01:47:02.039
came to mind. I think Detroit
and michiganers embraced it. I think they

1153
01:47:02.159 --> 01:47:09.520
loved it. They loved the fact
that our team are the bad dudes,

1154
01:47:09.800 --> 01:47:15.600
we wear the black hat and everybody
is against us. I think it's part

1155
01:47:15.640 --> 01:47:20.439
of the reason those T shirts of
Detroit versus everybody is there. The other

1156
01:47:20.520 --> 01:47:25.880
team is based on a different reason. And people didn't like the Pistons because

1157
01:47:26.159 --> 01:47:31.159
they felt like they were bullies.
I think people didn't like the Red Wings

1158
01:47:31.199 --> 01:47:38.520
over a stretch of time because they
were so successful. Outside of Detroit,

1159
01:47:39.399 --> 01:47:44.000
the red Wings success is a big
rea. Like it was great when they

1160
01:47:44.279 --> 01:47:49.039
won when they beat the Flyers to
win the Stanley Cup, to snap that

1161
01:47:50.079 --> 01:47:55.439
a fifty year drought, whatever that
was, people were thrilled. I think

1162
01:47:55.680 --> 01:47:59.640
nationwide people are like, Wow,
that's really cool. Hockey worldwide, that's

1163
01:47:59.720 --> 01:48:03.520
really cool. An original sixteen that's
been without a Cup for that long,

1164
01:48:03.800 --> 01:48:09.000
that's awesome. Then they win another
one. Wow, that's you know,

1165
01:48:09.119 --> 01:48:13.800
the storyline there with Vladimir Constantinov and
so on and so forth. Pretty they

1166
01:48:14.000 --> 01:48:15.640
you know, then they went a
couple more in that stretch and people are

1167
01:48:15.680 --> 01:48:19.800
like, Okay, the time to
move on. Outside of Detroit, of

1168
01:48:19.880 --> 01:48:27.560
course, Dallas is universally hated,
just like the Yankees are universally hit.

1169
01:48:27.640 --> 01:48:31.239
Now there's many people who tell you
they're universally loved too. You can go

1170
01:48:31.319 --> 01:48:34.279
to a ballpark when the Yankees come
to town and there's a ton of Yankees

1171
01:48:34.359 --> 01:48:39.319
fans. Are they from that city? I don't know. Are they transplants?

1172
01:48:39.359 --> 01:48:43.279
I'm not sure. But people love
success, so you're going to have

1173
01:48:44.239 --> 01:48:48.840
a lot of people who are fans
of that team outside of Texas, outside

1174
01:48:48.840 --> 01:48:55.840
of Dallas. I think it's quite
a compliment. But I guess my comment

1175
01:48:55.920 --> 01:49:01.279
to Jason Kelsey would be this,
where have you been? There's plenty of

1176
01:49:01.319 --> 01:49:08.359
people who are in a certain city
supporting a different team that might be a

1177
01:49:08.479 --> 01:49:15.399
rival of their city's team. Unfortunately, now you can't tell people who to

1178
01:49:15.520 --> 01:49:17.840
root for, right. You can't
sit there and say you've got to be

1179
01:49:17.880 --> 01:49:21.119
a Tigers fan. You've got to
be a Lions fan. If you don't

1180
01:49:21.199 --> 01:49:24.439
vote, if you don't root for
the Pistons or the Red Wings, so

1181
01:49:24.479 --> 01:49:29.079
on and so forth. You can't
do that. But my hope is that

1182
01:49:29.720 --> 01:49:32.279
there's a lot of parents out there
who have their kids and they're saying,

1183
01:49:32.319 --> 01:49:38.560
hey, you know what, you
root for whoever you want, but this

1184
01:49:38.760 --> 01:49:42.520
is our hometown team. I have
that debate with my brother in law.

1185
01:49:43.319 --> 01:49:46.920
My brother in law has a young
son. His favorite basketball team is the

1186
01:49:46.960 --> 01:49:53.520
Philadelphia seventy six Ers. His favorite
football team is San Francisco forty nine Ers.

1187
01:49:55.359 --> 01:50:00.560
He has jerseys of those two teams. So being the that's Martin alec

1188
01:50:00.720 --> 01:50:05.479
uncle. Oftentimes, when the Niners
played the Lions in the NFC Championship game,

1189
01:50:06.000 --> 01:50:09.600
I said to him, how in
the world can you root for the

1190
01:50:09.720 --> 01:50:17.039
Niners? So he had a fun
little conversation. Sometimes it's for no reason

1191
01:50:17.079 --> 01:50:21.000
at all. You know how kids
are. It might be the colors of

1192
01:50:21.439 --> 01:50:29.800
the uniform, might be one specific
player. As a kid, I loved

1193
01:50:29.920 --> 01:50:35.319
George Gervin. He's one of my
favorite players. I loved George McGinnis and

1194
01:50:35.960 --> 01:50:41.640
Julius Irving. But I wouldn't have
rooted for the Sixers over the Pistons.

1195
01:50:42.720 --> 01:50:48.039
Even though I don't think guys like
Eric Money and Kevin Porter could beat them,

1196
01:50:49.399 --> 01:50:55.680
or John Mengelt, but I would
have rooted for the Pistons against them,

1197
01:50:55.760 --> 01:50:58.920
right. But I didn't have a
problem with the Sixers at that time,

1198
01:50:59.439 --> 01:51:05.319
being six usful, I didn't have
any specific reason to like George McGinnis

1199
01:51:06.680 --> 01:51:13.199
or well a lot of people like
doctor J. Same thing with San Antonio.

1200
01:51:13.840 --> 01:51:16.199
It wasn't because Wow, George Gervin
played at Eastern Michigan. No,

1201
01:51:16.359 --> 01:51:21.239
it was I liked the way George
Gervin played the game of basketball. I

1202
01:51:21.439 --> 01:51:27.640
liked Alex English and the way he
shot the basketball with the Denver Nuggets.

1203
01:51:28.039 --> 01:51:30.920
Doesn't mean no, it's a huge
Nuggets fan, just meant I liked that

1204
01:51:30.039 --> 01:51:38.359
specific player. So I found it
interesting that Jason Kelsey was surprised at that

1205
01:51:39.520 --> 01:51:43.319
based on what that young boy said
to him at a charity golf outing.

1206
01:51:44.039 --> 01:51:53.159
But the other thing is I just
to have a team that is so universally

1207
01:51:54.000 --> 01:51:59.319
despised because of their success. I
think that's a primary reason for it.

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I'm on there, but maybe it's
two because of the attitude of their fan

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base that could be part of it
too. Are there are there teams?

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Is there a specific team in this
state or in Detroit that you feel warrants

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that Meyer hotline eight sixty six eight
three eight forty eight forty three, or

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you can text the show sports Radio
to twenty one thousand. I'm sure there

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are there are some that people feel
warrant a little bit of negativity around.

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You know, their fan base is
a is a little holier than thou,

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They get more credit than they probably
deserve, things of that nature. On

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top of all that, speaking of
football, I saw an article that ranked

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the NFL's most vulnerable division winners coming
up. Which division winner is most susceptible

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to losing their perch in their division. My thought immediately was, Okay,

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I want to see where the Lions
are ranked here. Because we love the

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fact that Detroit finally wins the division, they get to the NFC Championship Game.

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They are one of those teams that
should be threatened or be threatening for

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01:53:28.000 --> 01:53:34.600
a Super Bowl appearance. This is
living large. This is living large right

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now in the state of Michigan because
our team is finally arrived. Don't put

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a damper on it. Let's hope
that their vulnerability ranks pretty damn low.

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In other words, no one's going
to overcome them. Here's the issue.

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The NFC North is pretty good.
Chicago got better, especially if Caleb Williams

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is as good as people think he's
going to be. But their defense was

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already good. Green Bay deserves a
lot of respect because of what they showed

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01:54:12.479 --> 01:54:19.079
a year ago. Right, absolutely, they were really impressive. Detroit,

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of course, Minnesota maybe not so
much. So I wanted to know where

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the Lions rank in terms of vulnerability
among division leaders. So there are eight

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division winners, ben where do you
think the Lions ranked in terms of vulnerability?

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Number one would be the most vulnerable
division winner, the team that is

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in the most precarious spot that could
be overtaken by another team within their division.

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So where do you think the Lions
of the eight? Where do they

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rank? Somewhere around the middle of
the pack. I think you're right,

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it's right around the middle of the
pack. Let me give you, in

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as sending order, how it goes. Kansas City is number eight, eleven

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and six. A year ago,
they've won eight straight division titles. Of

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course, they won the Super Bowl, so people feel like they're no one's

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01:55:20.920 --> 01:55:26.600
catching Kansas City, at least this
year. And of course, when you

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have some of the players that they
have Chris Jones on the defensive line,

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Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelcey on the
offense. Of course they're going to be

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reckoned with. But I think a
lot of that has to do with the

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fact that Denver is not going to
be very good. The Raiders are just

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kind of and the Chargers are not
expected. It's almost by default. With

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all due respect to Kansas City,
not that they aren't great, because they

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are, but their division is not
all that great. Number seven is San

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01:55:57.800 --> 01:56:02.760
Francisco. Is this because they won
the NFC a year ago and went to

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the Super Bowl. Look, Rams
were decent a year ago. Seattle's Okay,

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01:56:09.199 --> 01:56:12.000
Arizona might be better than you think
because they lost a lot of close

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01:56:12.039 --> 01:56:14.520
games, but they were outscored by
one hundred and twenty five points, So

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I think you do have to take
that into account. You really do ye

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01:56:18.760 --> 01:56:21.960
out scout boar one hundred. I
mean, there's only three teams who were

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01:56:23.000 --> 01:56:28.479
outscored by more than the Arizona Cardinals. But San Francisco a lot of that

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01:56:28.600 --> 01:56:31.039
has to do the fact that they
went to the Super Bowl last year,

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so they are number seven. Number
six is the Houston Texans. We're talking

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about teams that are vulnerable to lose
their division. Houston won the AFC South

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01:56:44.199 --> 01:56:48.640
a year ago by a game.
They are the third most vulnerable or third

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01:56:48.720 --> 01:56:55.960
least vulnerable. I should say Jacksonville
Indianapolis, Tennessee is how they finished a

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01:56:56.039 --> 01:57:00.520
year ago. Number five is your
Detroit Lions, and here's what they write.

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The Lions are unmistakable favorites to speak
to the progress overseen by Dan Campbell

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01:57:06.520 --> 01:57:11.760
Brad Holmes regime, but patiently built
around Jared Goff to the point the ex

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01:57:11.920 --> 01:57:16.920
ram cast off once again registers as
a reliable borderline top ten starter. The

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01:57:17.079 --> 01:57:21.960
balance of their roster is enviable,
with a dynamic backfield and explosive number one

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01:57:23.039 --> 01:57:27.680
receiver, not to mention a defense
infused with fresh secondary talent. Why then

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aren't they the slam Dunks to repeat? Because every team in this quartet has

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reason to believe they will be better. Packers may have an MVP type gunslinger

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01:57:39.520 --> 01:57:45.159
at Jordan Love. Vikings are giving
Ricky quarterback JJ McCarthy elite skill weapons and

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01:57:45.279 --> 01:57:48.199
Brian Flores led defense, and even
the Chicago Bears, with the number one

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01:57:48.239 --> 01:57:55.359
pick Caleb Williams, have an upgraded
offensive infrastructure there you go. You notice

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they bring up quarterbacks for all teams, which I mean Minnesota. Yeah,

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01:58:01.399 --> 01:58:04.479
Brian Flores led defense. Let's see, they've got some skilled weapons. One

1274
01:58:04.520 --> 01:58:09.439
of those weapons, justin Jefferson is
pretty pissed off right now. So you

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01:58:09.560 --> 01:58:14.079
have to be careful there, just
so you're aware. Baltimore is number four,

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01:58:15.880 --> 01:58:19.840
Buffalo number three. A FC East
is good man, it really is.

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01:58:20.439 --> 01:58:28.079
Miami's Miami's dynamite, right. You've
got of course, you've got Buffalo.

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01:58:28.479 --> 01:58:32.279
You've got some rock solid teams.
I believe in that division. I

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think it's really hard. I don't
want to say it's the best division because

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I still think the AFC North is. But when you see what could happen

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in the AFC East, New England
is terrible. I know the Giants,

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01:58:49.920 --> 01:58:54.640
the Jets are are one of those
teams where so much rides on an Aaron

1283
01:58:54.680 --> 01:58:59.800
Rodgers. We talked a little bit
about that yesterday. But Buffalo, Miami

1284
01:59:00.119 --> 01:59:02.199
good battle and many people feel like
the Jets are really good. Number two

1285
01:59:02.279 --> 01:59:09.920
is Tampa. They are the second
most susceptible in the NFC South, And

1286
01:59:10.000 --> 01:59:15.079
without reading too much into it,
people probably feel that you know Atlanta's going

1287
01:59:15.119 --> 01:59:17.479
to be a lot better, and
I get that. And the number one

1288
01:59:17.640 --> 01:59:26.039
susceptible team as a division winner is
the Dallas Cowboys, and that obviously is

1289
01:59:26.079 --> 01:59:31.319
because Philadelphia is much better. And
Philadelphia lost by just a game in that

1290
01:59:31.439 --> 01:59:35.239
division a year ago. I think
Washington's going to be okay, not great,

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01:59:35.520 --> 01:59:40.319
They'll be okay. Our thanks to
Ben, our producer, and our

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01:59:40.359 --> 01:59:43.680
thanks to all the great calls that
we had this morning, the emotional,

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01:59:43.840 --> 01:59:47.520
the well thought out. We really
appreciate you taking some time to join us.

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We appreciate the text as well.
We hope you can join us again

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