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Hi everyone, I'm Talia and I'm
Tanya, and together we are Crimes and

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Consequences, a true crime podcast.
Hi Tanya, Hi Talia. Welcome back

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everybody to this week's episode of Crimes
and Consequences. It is a story that

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I think a lot of people have
heard, but it's kind of older and

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it's really interesting. But if you
don't like clowns, oh you're not gonna

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like this. Oh great, I
don't like clowns, like personally like diff

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I'm matter clown. It probably would
be okay, but I don't know.

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It's only John Wayne Gacy though.
Yeah. And Stephen King's it Nay,

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he was a little fucked up too. Yeah. Well, I hadn't hit

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the subscribe or foul button yet or
like button or whatever the hell button it's

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going on these days. Please do
it whatever helps us, please, And

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with that we're going to start.
Let's do it, okay. So this

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is a story of Marlene May McKinnon
Warren. She was born in Michigan.

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Really just like me, me,
too in nineteen fifty and I was not

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born in nineteen fifteen. She was
a middle child of some sisters, and

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I'm just going to give you a
background. When she was a child,

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she spent most of her time at
her grandfather's farm in a small town north

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of Detroit. The town is actually
Mount Clements, which is where we go

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to court. Yes, the county
courthouses in Mount Clements. Yeah, it's

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kind of strange. So she spent
a long time into grandfather's farm, which

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there aren't any farms that I know
of in Mount Clements, not anymore,

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not anymore. She was described by
the people that loved her as outgoing.

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She was funny and really kind.
Oh that's nice. I don't think people

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would call me outgoing. No,
No, do you think I'm outgoing?

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No? Yeah, exactly. I
think you're funny, and I think you're

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extremely kind. Thank you. I
think you are too well. Thank you.

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I would you think you were outgoing? No? No, I fake

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it. I fake a lot,
right, you kind of have to.

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I talk to people like co hurt
and and then when I go home,

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I have to be alone because I
need to decompress it. People would say

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she lit up the room. Oh, she lit up the room as so

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okay when she walked in. And
she was a type of person that would

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do anything for anyone. I bet
there's a lot of people that would say

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otherwise. I mean, there's always
two sides of the story. And she

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really liked clowns really okay, good
for her. That's kind of an understatement

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when I say really liked Unlike most
people, she was obsessed with clowns.

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Really. She actually had a clown
theme bedroom, stop it. Yeah she

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did. Oh my goodness, she
really does like clowns. Yeah, and

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she painted portraits of clowns and she
was actually pretty talented with They're supposed to

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make people happy. Yeah, that
was their original. Yeah, still are

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I think now it's just everybody's creeped
out because of it from the clown I

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don't know if people know what happened
in Michigan, but clowns would just pop

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up places enact creepy mysterious Yes,
yeah, scared people anyway. Her mother

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surely still has one painting in particular, which she'll never part with. And

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it's kind of strange to think that
in the end, Marlene's life was taken

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by a clown. Oh, man, it's kind of ironic. Yeah.

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Marlene met her first husband. His
name was John Aaron's and they were really

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young and they got married in the
nineteen sixties when she was eighteen years old

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old. Soon after they got married, John and Marlene welcome to two boys,

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John Junior and Joseph. By the
time Marlene was twenty years of age,

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she was a widow. John died
tragically, so sad, and obviously

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she's just very close with her sons
and they were all each other had once

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John passed away. I mean they're
little. Yeah. She taught both of

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the boys how to grow up,
how to be successful, how to be

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helpful, kind respective, she led
her children into actually a very stable life,

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even though given the tragedy that they
had. So now we're at nineteen

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eighty Marlene, she's a widow with
two children. She met a guy named

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Michael Warren. The two had a
two year age gap, which is nothing,

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right, not even really an age
gap, No, not really,

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and they fell head over heels in
love, of course they did. They

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got married pretty quickly and then they
settled in Wellington, Florida. Oh and

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that's an exclusive community known as the
Aero Club. I don't know. I

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don't know Wellington, what's up right
next to the our lights? Okay,

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And it is considered to be one
of the richest areas of Palm Beach County.

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Oh nice. The aero club was
built around a grass airstrip so that

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the residents could land their plane.
Oh stop it, they're that rich or

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they got money helicopters. Okay,
So yes, hunts why it's a very

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nice. Yeah area to live.
Just gonna find my helicopter like I did

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today to get ready. No,
I didn't. Many of the homes around

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their head plane hangars, and the
residents would keep their aircrafts and their hangers,

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you know right, Oh sure,
I know all about it. Got

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a hanger in my backyard. While
Marlene was on her second mirror. This

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was the first marriage for Michael.
The two went matched really well together and

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they really built a great life for
themselves and the blended family that they had.

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Marlene and Michael worked hard and it
worked really well together. Michael owned

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and operated a used car dealership,
and with the dealership, he also had

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a corontal service. Both of the
businesses were under Marlene's name. I don't

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know exactly why, but They also
bought and rented houses. They running them

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out to people across West Palm Beach. But the rental properties that they had,

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they weren't in the best area of
town. Okay, they had roughly

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forty goodness, yes, that's a
lot. And they were very successful,

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and Marlene was a part of it. She helped basically run the properties Michael

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owned. It was called Bargain Motors
on North Dixie Highway and Lost Palm Beach

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and the run of properties worth were
worth well over one or two million dollars

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for the married couple and the two
boys. Everything was looking good. Yeah,

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you know, prosperous. They're living
in Florida and nice that property making

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the money was all over her planes. But then something really sad happened.

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Marlene's oldest son, John Junior,
he lost his life in a car accident

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when he was twenty two years Oh
no, really, Oh my god,

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this poor woman, right right,
Oh, that's so sad. Marlene became

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exceptionally close to Joseph after losing John
Junior, but her relationship with Michael began

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deteriorating, and he started distancing himself
from Marlene and Joseph. He was spending

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a lot more time at work,
and work really took up most of his

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life, like that's all he was
doing, was working, And their distance

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grew more and more, and she
suspected that he was having an affair with

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maybe one of his employees, particularly
Sheila Keene, who was in the repo

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business. Oh okay, Marlene thought
about leaving Michael. She wondered if I

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left, would anything really legally be
mine even though it's in her name.

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I think she was just afraid,
right, Yeah, I can imagine.

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I mean, if the divorce ever
happened, she knew it would be messy,

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it'd be difficulty, And at this
point they've been married twenty years.

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Before Marlene could divorce Michael, something
bad happened to her. Oh she was

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murdered. Oh no, it sounds
kind of suspicious, but you think it's

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Michael, right, But Michael has
an alibi. She was in Miami,

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Florida. Okay, Okay, then
I will go back to thinking Michael's at

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least halfway decent. Maybe I made
twenty six, nineteen ninety, Marlene was

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home with Joseph, who was then
twenty two, and some of his friends

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were there. There was a knock
at the door, and it was about

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ten forty five am. Marlene answered
the door, and when she did,

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she was staring into the eyes of
a clown. That's weird. Nobody was

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expecting this clown like that. No, no, no, no, no.

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It's ten forty five then, and
you not if someone knocks on your

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door, you open it. There's
a fucking clown. The clown was holding

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balloons and a basket of red and
white carnations for Marlene. Okay, clowns,

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Oh yeah they did, right,
did they? I've seen the I

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don't I don't know. Maybe like
well, I don't think they do it

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now like a singing telegram. They
don't do it. No, nobody wants

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a clown. No, I wouldn't
even answer my fucking door. Are you

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kidding me? So, don't send
me shit. So the clowns holding balloons

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a basket of red and white carnations, and when Marlene went to take the

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balloons and flower, the clown shot
her on the head and then just walked

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away into a white sedan that was
parked in the driveway of her home.

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What the fuck the car just drove
off. Joseph got into his car and

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he tried to chase down the clown
and the white sedan. He didn't give

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a fuck about using roads during the
chase. He didn't give a fuck about

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speed limits. He was going through
neighborhoods and his mother was shot in front

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of him and his friends. They
were actually there by the door when she

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was shot. He could see that
the clown was wearing an orange wig,

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a red nose. Sorry, this
is ridiculous, A red nose, A

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clown two and I painted on happy
face. The Warrens neighbors they all heard

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this and saw the commotion, and
they acted quickly, and they would never

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forget that day, my bad.
One of the neighbors heard a noise that

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sounded pretty close to a nail gun, that's what they thought it was.

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He was with his dog when he
heard a pop, and he rushed over

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to where the sound came from,
along with another neighbor who happened to be

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a doctor. The two men entered
the house because she's in the entryway of

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the house, and they try to
help Marlene. The doctor was instructing the

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fellow neighbor on how to make her
as comfortable as possible, and so the

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ambulance arrived soon after the paramedics arrived, the two neighbors backed away and they

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let EMTs do their thing. Marlene
must all lie when the mts got there,

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and she was gasping for air from
the blow to her face. It's

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her head, but it's also like
in her face, but not like in

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the middle of her face. I
don't know, maybe like the forehead area.

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Okay, from the blow to the
face, she had bone and metal

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embedded in her tongue. What When
the police arrived on the scene, they

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immediately sent a blow out for that
white sedan. The investigation started and witnesses

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at the home try to remember anything
they could to help catch this killer clown.

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Marline was rushed to the hospital,
but she died two days later.

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The white sedan was found in a
local parking lot. Four days after the

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shooting, Michael was instantly broadening,
but I'm in Miami, I'm in Miami.

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How could I do it in Miami? He was actually on his way

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to a racetrack in Miami when basically
she was shot point blank in the face.

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But it was the upper face,
as I said, And friends and

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family and Marline pointed police in the
direction of Sheila Keene because everybody had heard

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the rumors. But Michael's like,
again, zummy, but I don't think

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he said Sheila. But the two
were both questioned and they denied the rumors

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about them having an a fair absolutely
well yeah, I mean that's what people

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do. They like. I mean, I don't know. I don't have

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confirmation they're having a fear. But
okay. So Sheila was twenty seven at

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the time this happened and was married, oh boy, married to a man

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named Richard. Both he and Sheila
were in the repo business, and Michael

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hired them in nineteen ninety five,
months before Marlene's murder, to help him

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out with his car business. People
are a pan, go get it,

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go get it. One of the
reasons the police really started looking into Sheila

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was because somebody, an anonymous woman, called about five hours after the death

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of Marlene and gave them a tip
about Sheila, but they never found out

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who it was anonymous tip. Marlene's
parents told the police that their daughter and

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Michael were having some marital problems,
and that Marlene had told her family in

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the past quote anything happens to me, oh my husband did it? Oh

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shit, oh shit, I've never
said that have you ever said that?

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No? Yeah, no, never
never. A year prior to Marlene's death,

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Michael had been at Palm Beach County
Courthouse with an attorney and he'd ask

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this lawyer, quote, if a
husband were to kill his wife, oh,

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what would happen to her state?
Oh? Really? Really? All

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come on him? I know,
I know I called him girl, I

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did it on purpose. Really,
you don't know what's going to happen to

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your dead wife's estate. Chris De
Santis was the lawyer and he represented Marlene's

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son in an assault case I don't
know from nineteen eighty six. Santa said

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to the police, quote, my
first impression was, is this guy nuts?

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Exactly what are you saying this out
loud for? Because why would you

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ask that question with your wife there? Then I looked around and his wife

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wasn't there? Does that? The
lawyers spoke with Marlene often and figured that

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Michael question, which just you know, he's being curious, sure, just

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wondering. The attorney one on tell
Michael that Florida law is kind of weird

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when it comes to things like that. It is the issue is not if

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a man killed his wife, it's
the conviction that would stop the inheritance.

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What you only you only don't get
it if you're convicted. Okay, but

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the charge is okay, don't charge, it's dismissed. But what if a

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man is convicted of a lesser charge, like the husband, he would inherit

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all of his wife's assets. Nice, So you have that great advice to

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give to your fucking client. Luck
just get convicted, take a plea of

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a lesser charge, right, I
mean, that's what I would say to

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Santa just continued quote. Not only
that, but if he had a friend

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who did it, and they and
he means law enforcement couldn't tie him as

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an accessory to the front, he
would get away scott free. Perfect.

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I love lawyers like us. Wow, why we hate lawyers like us?

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Marlene's death had an immense impact.
I think about Joseph. Oh my god,

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poor Joseph lost his brother, and
then he witnesses and head. He's

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only twenty two at the time,
He's just soul, just got ripped out.

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Joseph said, quote last words,
I heard my mom say, we're

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oh, how pretty. Oh man, this story sucks, and then I

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heard a bang. Oh god.
The fact that the investigators weren't able to

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identify the killer despite the many witnesses
at the home, caused Joseph to really

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spiral downward. He was angry,
and he felt a lot of animosity about

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life, like we just said,
Yeah, that's normal, that's one of

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the stage. So he started drinking. Oh, Joseph, No, he

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was depressed. Yeah, I mean
hello, self medicating fuck Yeah. Yeah,

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A fucking clown comes and kills your
mom at your fucking house. Yeah,

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I'm a little depressed. I'm gonna
have to have a fucking dream.

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This went on for years, but
eventually he got rehabilitated and he worked through

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all the issues of his life.
So that's good. Yeah good. And

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Joseph, like I said, his
success and rehabilitation and all that, he

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found a purpose by working with people
who struggle with addiction and similar issues that

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he went through. Joseph remembers the
day his mother was killed very vividly.

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At first, the pop sound gave
him the illusion that maybe a balloon he

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saw it had popped, But then
his mom collapsed and he ran to his

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mom and she fell to the ground, and when he got to her,

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he looked the killer clown in the
eyes. He recalled the eyes being brown,

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and Joseph said that the clown stepped
away from the front door of the

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home and then climbed into those white
Chrysler LeBaron, But the car had no

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plates. That kind of car was
reported stolen from Michael's used car lot a

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month before the murder, really from
his car line. But we'll talk about

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that clown drove away as if he
or she or it or they hadn't shot.

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Somebody didn't care. It wasn't like
the clown was in a rush.

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That's so weird. Joseph later stated
on a local radio show that he thought

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that the person dressed as the clown
was a male because the person seemed very

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large in stature and had large hands. But before I tell you more,

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we're going to take a quick break. Marlene's mother, Shirley and her stop

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father Bill, they were notified of
Marlene's death and at the time in nineteen

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ninety, they were visiting some friends
in Phoenix in Maricopa County, and the

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sheriff's deputy. They ended up leaving
a business card at the friend's house saying

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please call us. That's never Yeah, Shirley, I already had this gut

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feeling about Marlene that something was wrong. Marlene had previously told them, as

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I told you, if something were
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When Shirley and Bill called the number
in the business card, they were

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told that Marlene was in the hospital
in Florida, but the police didn't tell

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them anything else, like she'd been
shot or anything. Marlene's mom and stepdad

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they lived in Las Vegas, so
they flew from Vegas to Arizona, packed

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a bag and got up early in
the morning to go out to West Palm

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Beach. Shirley said that it was
early afternoon when they arrived at the hospital.

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Marlene was on life support, and
she said that everything with Marlene seemed

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normal, her pulse were breathing,
but she just knew her daughter was gone.

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And then again on the second day
after being shot, Marline surely had

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to make the decision to unplug Marline
from life support. Marlene's funeral was held

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about a week later, on July
first, in nineteen ninety. Investigators were

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there hiding, checking everybody out,
taking pictures of all the attendees. They

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kept track of who was there and
how each person was acting and what they

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were all doing. Usually when spouses
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the surviving spouse, is you heartbroken
right? Crushed? Right? Kind

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of struggling with things. As we
know, everybody handles things and you can't

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judge people on their emotions. But
Michael didn't seem very upset. As a

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matter of fact, they thought he
seemed completely fine, really like another day

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at the funeral, Like it's not
your wife of twenty years. Michael wasn't

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a very educated man, but he's
a really good salesman. He was a

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smooth talker, he was confident,
but friends and family members around him didn't

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consider these traits to be compliments he
seemed to. I think it was more

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of an arrogance, narcissistic kind of
thing. He seemed to always have bad

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luck, and those around him said
that his bad luck just followed him everywhere

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he went. One time, his
plane went missing but was found later.

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I don't know how a plane goes
missing, but it was found later with

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a broken engine, and nobody ever
knew what happened, So I don't know

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when somebody stole his plane and broke
his engine. He also had race horses.

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They had some money, Damn they
did. Fuck. Yeah, I

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mean I got I got two cats
and two dogs. I don't got a

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plane, I don't have race horses. Yeah, and you know when you

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got a plane and some racehorses,
damn, do you really have that bad

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luck? No? Shit right,
I don't know. It seems like kind

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of some good luck. But one
day before he had a race with his

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racehorses, one of his horses ended
up dead. Oh yes, that's his

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bad luck. Yeah, it sounds
like real bad luck there to the first

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world problem. Yeah, exactly,
But I do feel bad for the horse.

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I do too. As mentioned earlier, Marlene ran the rental properties.

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She was very organized. She had
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rent from people, even in rougher
neighborhoods. At one point, Marlene was

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in the process of evicting a tonant
because they didn't pay the rent. So

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investigators looked into maybe this tonant hated
Marlene so much that he or she killed

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her, bought flowers, balloons,
a clown costume, and killed her.

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But they couldn't pay the goddamn rent. I don't know if that makes monsensel

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of effort. Yeah, they didn't
really get fired with any of that.

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The Warrens had worked really hard for
what they had, and Marlene took pride

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in her work. She wanted,
like I said, she kept everything running

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smoothly. She wanted a family to
comfortable life. But you can't really say

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the same thing for Michael. The
white Chrysler LeBaron was found, as I

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told you, four days later,
in a parking lot, and there's quite

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a story behind it, so you
got to follow me on this, Okay.

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Michael owned Bargain Motors and there was
a rival business called Payless Car Rental,

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a car company was duped by someone
at Bargain Motors a few weeks before

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the murder. The LeBaron was actually
rented from the rival business, pay Less,

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and not Bargain Motors, but the
car ended up at Bargain Motors lot

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weeks earlier, which seems weird.
So other people had run it, okay,

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Yeah, the Yellow Pages, the
ads for the companies looked pretty much

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exactly alike the two car companies,
so that customers would get confused from one

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company to the other. So when
this couple had rented a LeBaron and they

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went to return it, they accidentally
returned it to Bargain Motors instead of car

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rentals. Whoever it answered the phone
when the couple called to say they were

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dropping the car back off at Palos
car Rental at the gates, they were

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told to just leave the car unlocked
with the keys in it and someone would

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come by and pick it up.
Okay, So that's how it ended up

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on Bargained Motors. I wonder if
they were close together. They probably were.

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Do you ever see that movie Used
Cars with Kurt Russell? No,

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It kind of reminds me of this
a little bit. I never saw it,

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Cult Classic. Okay, I'll have
to see it. The couple had

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a plane to catch, so they
laughed how they were told to, even

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though they did kind of think it
was a little weird. The employee at

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Bargained Motors who was responsible for the
mishap was caught, arrested and convicted,

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but Michael Tone the company was never
charged nor was he held responsible in any

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way anyway. So that's kind of
just really strange. Bargain Motors had been

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under police surveillance for a lot of
their shady dealings, such as shit like

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that, really drop it off keys, We'll just take that pay less car.

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Police conducted a nighttime raid. Wow. Yeah, they got a search

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warrant and they took cabinets worth of
files and documents. Michael was really worried

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he was going to lose his business. Well, yeah, the government doesn't

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come and raide your fucking place just
on a whim. Yeah. So then

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after Marlen's murder, he was a
little bit more concerned about that investigation.

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So now years go by, nobody's
convicted. Wow, which is really really

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sad. Yeah, but Michael was
arrested for sixty seven counts of racketeering,

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my grand theft and a dominant t
breath Oh my god. We went to

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trial and one of the prosecutors,
though, made the mistake of bringing up

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how he was a suspect in his
wife's murder. Because of this, the

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trial seemed more maybe like a witch
hunt than actually trying to convict him of

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you know what he was caught doing. The jury deliberated for eighteen hours,

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and Michael was found guilty still of
racketeering, twenty one counts o'domino tampering oh

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shit, and eleven counts of grand
theft auto wow. But he was acquitted

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of whatever other charges. He ended
up serving three and a half years in

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prison, and he got out in
nineteen ninety seven. He was supposed to

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get nine years. We're talking white
collar, so that's nine years. It's

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a pretty decent amount considering we've done
cases where people have raped and murdered people.

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Yeah, I got that much less. Michael ended up marrying Sheila.

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Oh, boys of the roars were
probably true. No, they just when

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he got out of prison. It
was fell in love. Yeah, it

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was sar. She was there for
him. That was in twenty two.

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Okay, despite the rumors of the
affair, it wasn't true. Sure.

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The two ended up relocating to Virginia. Oddly, Sheila went under a completely

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different name when she moved to Virginia. She changed her name to Debbie Warren.

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And she played the part of this
outgoing, neighbor loving wife. And

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they bought a restaurant. They bought
a restaurant, or she said she was

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a restaurant owner. While in Virginia, Michael and Sheila slash Debbie where we're

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gonna call her. Sheila made their
home and it's called Abingdon. In fact,

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the home they bought was the oldest
building in town. It dates back

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to seventeen seventy nine, and they
made it into a restaurant. Their new

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life was quiet and quaint, lovely. Yeah, how sweet, I know,

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how fucking sweet. The neighbors around
the newly married couple knew the Warrens

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as diligent, warm, and generous. Yeah, the great people. None

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all of the earth. Yes,
none of them had a clue that either

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of them been married before, because
they never mentioned that, or that they

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had originally been from Florida, or
that Debby's real name was Sheila. Yeah,

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or that Michael's former wife was murdered
by the Warrens. The new Warrens,

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Debbie Slash Sheila and Michael he went
on a trip to Herman and on

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the return, which they had recently
visited Sheila's mother, they were pulled over

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on September twenty six of two thousand
and seventeen. Oh damn. This is

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fifthteen years after they got married.
After they got married in twenty seventeen,

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that's twenty seven years after Marlene was
murdered. Wow. Deputies from Washington County

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Sheriff's office said, Sheila what right
on the side of the road, and

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they took her into custy for murder. Sheila, Well, he couldn't have

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been dressed as the clownies a fucking
racetrack. Yeah, that's true. Sheila

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applied not guilty. She requested a
trial by jury, and the prosecutors in

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Florida were seeking the death death penalty. She was held without bond because that's

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what happens. We want the death
penalty. Yeah, really an option.

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You can't really just like just go
home, it's okay, Well, we

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know you'll come back. So this
was shocking to everybody in Virginia that knew

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her. Sheila and Michael would throw
lavish parties for every birthday, and any

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of the neighbors like they would go
to their parties, and they were just

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big into their neighborhood people who liked
them. A woman named Brooke Levelnds,

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one of their neighbors, said,
quote, how could somebody capable of something

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like that be so goodhearted and loving? Well, people are complicated. True,

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It's true. The Bevlins were really
close to the Warrens, and they

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were like best buddies whatever couples that
hung out and they even spent holidays together.

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Wow. Close. They saw Michael
about thirty minutes after Sheila's arrest,

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and Michael apparently gave the levelins this
pity really sad lost look, huh oh,

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poor Michael. Yeah, your wife
got arrested. That's fucked up,

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dude. I don't know why.
Yeah, I don't know. I'm lost

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without her. Whatever. So I'm
gonna give you a little bit more about

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Sheila, okay, because you gotta
be fucked up to dress as a fucking

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killed. She spent most of her
life in her early childhood, at least

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in Florida. In nineteen ninety,
she moved to Martin County, where she

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attended high school. Her dad was
Robert. He worked in construction. He

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owned his own construction company, and
she dated a boy named Butch Away.

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He became very close to the family
and would eventually accompany them on vacations to

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Vermont because I said Sheila had family
there. Puchlaw's content was Sheila years ago,

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and he was blown away to hear
about the arrest. He said,

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if Sheila ever wanted anything, she
always found a way to get it.

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She was arrested for shoplifting in nineteen
eighty four. In nineteen eighty six,

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she was arrested again for theft and
got a felony. Oh. She was

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given six months probation. She married
a guy named Richard Keane when she was

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twenty three and they had a son
named Charles. In nineteen ninety, Sheila

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filed domestic violence complain against her husband, Richard, and then she moved out

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of the house and moved near West
Palm Beach. The place she moved into

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was owned, oh by Michael and
Marlene. Really it's a very tangled web

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here. So after Sheila's arrest,
Marlene's parents, Shirley and her stepdad Bill,

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they'd said they'd always suspected that Michael
had a mistress, and they were

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really angry that Michael married Sheila.
They were shocked that Sheila got away with

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murder for so long, and they
said, there's just absolutely no way that

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Michael didn't know. And they said, if there's a hell, I hope

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they rot in it. Amen.
So, as you said, it took

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twenty seven years, Yeah, twenty
seven years. The only evidence of the

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house at the time the shooting were
the balloons and the carnations. So how

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did they figure out what Sheila?
They followed up the trail of where these

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things may have came from. The
balloons the carnations, the clown cast down.

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They looked at local costume shops and
they found one in particular, and

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they believed the information they got from
their shop was credible. One of the

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employees didn't know who the customer was
at the time and didn't really understand what

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they were being questioned about, had
said that Sheila had came into the shop.

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Somebody he recognizes. Sheila came into
the shop in the evening. The

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store was supposed to be closed already, but she kept getting the attention of

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the employee, who eventually unlocked the
door and let her in. Yeah,

408
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so fucking important, and he told
her, you know what, we're closed.

409
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Would come back the following day.
She told the employee she had to

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have that costume that night. I
needed this clown cost down. You have

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to sell it to me. It
was urgent, but it was anything like

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your Halloween. She begged them to
just please let her get that costume.

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So they did, and then they
didn't give much thought. But something like

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that is going to stick out in
your head. Are actually two employees when

415
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she came in, she just quickly
picked it out, didn't waste their time,

416
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got the costume, and she was
out within minutes. What she had

417
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purchased was a clown suit, an
ragewig and Bob Kelly brand clown makeup,

418
00:34:02.079 --> 00:34:07.920
a kit, and a red sponge
nose. One of the things the employees

419
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remembered is they said, well,
you probably need some clown shoes too,

420
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and she was like, no,
no, no, I'm good. And

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they're like, what you have this
whole entire coastume, but you don't want

422
00:34:20.440 --> 00:34:24.639
the shoes and she's like, nah, I'm good. It's okay. I

423
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get some sneakers at home. It'll
be fine. She ended up wearing military

424
00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:36.800
grade boots when she really The balloons
that Sheila handed to Marlene, there were

425
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two of them. One of the
two was silver and it was heart shaped

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and red You're the Greatest, and
the other had a picture of snow White

427
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and the seven dwarfs. That's weird. It's just super weird. These were

428
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purchased at the local Public's supermarket near
Sheila's apartment. They were able to trace

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that Sheila didn't know that that heart
shaped balloon was only sold at Public's and

430
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only sold in that particular area,
So investigators ended up talking to employees and

431
00:35:05.800 --> 00:35:08.039
found out that, yeah, she
bought two balloons, and they found a

432
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receipt with a basket of Carnaesians.
But why did it take yeah, so

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00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:19.760
long? Because yeah, that's pretty
circumstantial. It's not hard evidence, and

434
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yeah, people can be convicted on
circumstantial evidence. But and the But at

435
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the time, they also got a
search warrant for Sheila's apartment and found orange

436
00:35:29.159 --> 00:35:32.159
hair like fibers. So I still
I don't know why it took so long.

437
00:35:32.719 --> 00:35:38.880
Michael has never once thought that Sheila
could be the one. Really,

438
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somebody randomly dressed like a fucking clown
and shot your wife just out of the

439
00:35:45.199 --> 00:35:46.800
blue, like, oh I woke
up today, I'm gonna go shoot somebody.

440
00:35:46.840 --> 00:35:51.679
He was never arrested, oh Man, in connection for the murder Marlin.

441
00:35:52.039 --> 00:35:55.880
Sheila was deemed to be the original
and only suspect. It was one

442
00:35:57.000 --> 00:36:01.159
year after Marlene's murder that they add
this evidence. Okay, okay, so

443
00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:06.800
Sheila was deemed to be the original
suspect, but there were just there wasn't

444
00:36:06.920 --> 00:36:09.599
enough evidence to charge her. So
that's why the case went cold. I

445
00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:15.679
mean, you have to remember this
is what nineteen Yeah, and DNA analysis

446
00:36:16.199 --> 00:36:22.840
in technology wasn't advanced like it is
now. So eventually they reopened the case

447
00:36:22.159 --> 00:36:29.760
and that's how DNA was tested,
and it just led prosecutors to the connection

448
00:36:29.800 --> 00:36:35.519
of Sheila, so she left a
DNA. Sheila's trial date was postponed for

449
00:36:35.519 --> 00:36:38.239
six months because of COVID. Oh
christ, this was recent. Yes,

450
00:36:38.800 --> 00:36:44.000
damn took that long to put her
on trial years after her arrest. Well

451
00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:46.519
you know how that works. Yeah, I know. Joseph ended up testifying.

452
00:36:46.639 --> 00:36:50.840
Oh he did because he was there. Yes, he recalled in the

453
00:36:50.840 --> 00:36:53.519
morning of the murder that he was
just discussing the plans for the day with

454
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his friends and his mom while they
ate breakfast. It was just a regular

455
00:36:57.760 --> 00:37:01.280
morning. They were where the table
was was relatively close to the front door,

456
00:37:01.559 --> 00:37:07.960
and then his mother answered it and
he heard her say, oh,

457
00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:12.519
those are beautiful and then the bang. You know what's really sad as after

458
00:37:12.760 --> 00:37:17.679
Marlene died, Michael pretty much left
Joseph. Really, that's just cold.

459
00:37:19.599 --> 00:37:22.639
He didn't say in his life,
Wow, I told you he moved to

460
00:37:22.760 --> 00:37:27.000
Las Vegas. Oh that's right.
I mean that's really sad because this kid

461
00:37:27.039 --> 00:37:31.519
spend in your life for like twenty
years. Poor Joseph just breaks my heart,

462
00:37:31.559 --> 00:37:37.119
like he loses his mom, his
brother. Eventually, all the records

463
00:37:37.119 --> 00:37:42.599
were released by the Palm Beach Prosecution
Team and it just shed light on the

464
00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:47.599
arrest and then the eventual conviction of
Sheila. Sheila had drunkenly bragged to a

465
00:37:47.679 --> 00:37:52.960
co worker how she about a clown
costume, dressed up his clown and killed

466
00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:59.599
her lover's wife. Oh ha ha
over drinks. The costume and the gun

467
00:37:59.599 --> 00:38:02.559
were never found. There were hairs
that belonged to Sheila found in the white

468
00:38:02.599 --> 00:38:07.400
Chrysler. That was some of the
DNA. I don't know if I mentioned

469
00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:10.320
it earlier, but Michael was a
beneficiary Marlene's life insurance policy, which was

470
00:38:10.320 --> 00:38:15.079
worth fifty four thousand. Nice and
the attorney to see into this I talked

471
00:38:15.079 --> 00:38:20.119
about earlier. Yeah, I was
like, hey, you know you're gonna

472
00:38:20.280 --> 00:38:22.840
your wife gets killed? Yeah,
what would he happen to her estate?

473
00:38:23.440 --> 00:38:28.480
Right? He made a joke that
if someone were to dress up as a

474
00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:31.920
clown and kill somebody, they'd probably
never get caught. He did, Yes,

475
00:38:32.280 --> 00:38:37.159
Okay, that's weird. In April
of twenty twenty three, Oh,

476
00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:39.840
that was just a few months ago, She'll admitted to dressing up as a

477
00:38:39.880 --> 00:38:45.000
clown and shooting Marline at point blank
range. She admitted it. She did.

478
00:38:45.519 --> 00:38:49.559
She pled guilty. This is how
long it took. She pled guilty

479
00:38:49.599 --> 00:38:52.920
to secondary murder inside a Palm Beach
Counting courtroom. This was part of a

480
00:38:52.960 --> 00:38:58.679
plea deal that was reached right before
the trial started. So the testimony I

481
00:38:58.679 --> 00:39:02.639
was talking about before was eliminary examinations. Okay, she originally had plied not

482
00:39:02.719 --> 00:39:07.480
guilty, but she changed it.
So in the plea deal, it meant

483
00:39:07.519 --> 00:39:13.440
that she had to spend at least
twelve years behind bars. Twelve, but

484
00:39:13.639 --> 00:39:19.639
her attorney told reporters, I think
she'll get about ten months. What the

485
00:39:19.760 --> 00:39:24.079
judge in the case said, he
accepted her two thousand thirty nine days in

486
00:39:24.199 --> 00:39:30.440
jail as time served towards her sentence. Oh so six years, yeah,

487
00:39:30.559 --> 00:39:35.639
six years. Damn. Her attorney, his name was Rosenfeld, still maintains

488
00:39:35.639 --> 00:39:39.079
that his client is innocent and that
she only accepted the plea deal because she

489
00:39:39.199 --> 00:39:42.719
just wanted to go home. Well. Yeah, in the state of Florida,

490
00:39:42.760 --> 00:39:45.039
if she was convicted of first screen
murder would probably given her the death

491
00:39:45.079 --> 00:39:49.159
penalty. Yeah, he said,
quote, it was an extremely hard decision

492
00:39:49.199 --> 00:39:52.599
for our client, saying you did
something that you didn't do. Sure,

493
00:39:52.239 --> 00:39:57.320
there's nothing harder than that. Sure. So she looked at a total of

494
00:39:57.400 --> 00:40:00.000
twelve years, but she could be
out as early as next year, which

495
00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:04.800
is why her attorney said she'll be
out in ten months. Yeah, yeah,

496
00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:09.239
damn, so that'll be like seven
years. That's fucking bullshit. That's

497
00:40:09.280 --> 00:40:15.800
fucking bullshit. She planned it,
bought the fucking clown costume, shot this

498
00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:19.480
woman in the face, got to
live her life. This bullshit. Well,

499
00:40:19.519 --> 00:40:22.880
the biggest part of the bullshit is
Michael. Yeah, he fucking knew.

500
00:40:23.159 --> 00:40:27.519
Fuck yeah, he knew, he
knew. That's bullshit. This makes

501
00:40:27.519 --> 00:40:30.519
me angry. And you think after
them being together twenty seven years and she

502
00:40:30.719 --> 00:40:35.280
she already was drunk telling employees she
did it. You think our friends or

503
00:40:35.320 --> 00:40:37.960
whatever it was, you think she
didn't fucking get drunk and tell her husband.

504
00:40:37.000 --> 00:40:40.840
Of course she did, of course. This bullshit. This fucking makes

505
00:40:40.840 --> 00:40:44.880
me mad. Poor Marlene, Poor
Marlene. She got the rod deal man.

506
00:40:44.920 --> 00:40:47.519
Why didn't he just fucking divorce her? Who had to give up money?

507
00:40:47.840 --> 00:40:51.760
Yeah, but they didn't have any
minor children, so he didn't give

508
00:40:51.800 --> 00:40:54.599
up that much. Just half the
same reason. People killed their spouses all

509
00:40:54.599 --> 00:40:59.719
the time, it's always fucking money. It's ridiculous they hadn't hit a lot

510
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:01.719
or I mean, but yeah,
I don't know. Whatever. It makes

511
00:41:01.800 --> 00:41:07.320
me mad you yeah, me,
I'm pissed. I know it. So

512
00:41:08.280 --> 00:41:13.920
the justice system is fucked sometimes,
but it's still the best. I guess

513
00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:17.519
there's out there where where's better.
I know, Canada maybe maybe, No,

514
00:41:17.639 --> 00:41:22.559
Canada is not better. No where
they let fucking killers go? Right?

515
00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:28.239
No, where I go? Where? North Korea not better? No?

516
00:41:28.519 --> 00:41:30.000
China, Yeah, I doubt it. I don't think so. I

517
00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:34.079
don't know much about their legal system, but I'm just I'm sure you know

518
00:41:34.360 --> 00:41:37.400
Russia, No, no, no, definitely, But we love all those

519
00:41:37.400 --> 00:41:42.920
countries and people from there. I'm
strictly talking about the justice system there or

520
00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:46.119
the lack of ours is bad.
No, ours is bad. But I

521
00:41:46.159 --> 00:41:52.519
don't know of any place. Yeah. Maybe maybe Switzerland, Yeah maybe maybe,

522
00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:55.599
I don't know. Well, Well, thanks for that to Leah.

523
00:41:55.719 --> 00:42:00.199
Yeah, well calmed me out today. I'm just a little on fire right

524
00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:02.679
now. Yeah, that's fine,
Right now, that's fine. It's all

525
00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:06.480
right. We always are after we're
done. Yeah, but I want to

526
00:42:06.519 --> 00:42:10.039
thank you all for taking the time
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527
00:42:10.159 --> 00:42:15.000
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