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Welcome back to the Path within Chili. I'm Robin, I'm Jules, and

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I'm Ashley. Let's dive right into
this week's case. April sixteenth, nineteen

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eighty seven, Union City, Tennessee, four year old Marlena Childress vanishes from

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her front yard after her mother,
Pamela Bailey, claims she saw a red

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car driving away from their house.
Two months later, Pam confesses that she

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accidentally killed Marlin and tossed her body
into a river. Pam soon recounts her

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confession and maintains it was coerced and
with no other evidence to implicate her,

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she's not indicted for her daughter's disappearance. Over the next several years, there

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are a number of twists and turns, including eyewitness fightings to suggest Marlena is

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still alive and Pam being implicated in
another crime, but Marlena is never found.

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After that the path went chilly.
So today we will be chronicling a

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pretty controversial missing children's case, the
nineteen eighty seven disappearance a four year old

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Marlena Childress. This case was featured
on UNSAWD Mysteries, but it's pretty unique

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and that the show only aired the
segment once and never did so again,

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apparently at the request of Marlena's family. I am pretty certain that I saw

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this segment on TV when it originally
aired in September of nineteen ninety, and

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while it is currently not available on
the show's official film Rise channel, I

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rewatched it when another user upload it
to YouTube a few years ago. What's

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particularly bizarre about this story is that
Marlene's mother, Pamela Bailey, would confess

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to accidentally killing her. Pam soon
recanted her confession, and there have been

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eyewitness sighting some Marlena to support the
idea that she was still alive somewhere after

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she went missing. I know that
when I watched the Unsolved Mystery segment again,

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I went back and forth on this
case and soon fell down a massive

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rabbit hole after doing further research.
I covered it on the Trail When Cold

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four and a half years ago,
but I thought now would be a good

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time to revisit it on the Path
When Chili. So this sounds like a

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case that I'm going to be mesmerized
with, because it's almost as if there's

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going to be I'm in this identification, which you both know I don't like

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I don't like eyewitness testimonies right,
in these eyewitness accounts because oftentimes we've been

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skewed by so many different factors of
what we've actually seen. And I also

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it sounds like we're going to talk
about a potential false confession, right and

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so is it was Pam telling the
truth or wasn't she These are the kinds

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of things that fascinate me when we
look at a case. So you've got

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to tell me, Moore. Our
story begins in Union City, Tennessee,

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in nineteen eighty seven. Our central
figure is four year old Marlena Childress,

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who lives with her twenty two year
old mother, Pamela Bailey. Pam's divorced

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from Marlene's father, Kevin Childress,
and is currently married to another man,

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Johnny Bailey, and the couple will
also have a four month old infant son

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named Damon. On April sixteenth,
Johnny's seven year old son from a previous

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marriage, Jerry Bailey, was visiting
their home until he was picked up shortly

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before at three pm by Jerry's mother, Mona Watts. At around three thirty,

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Pam claimed that Marlene was playing outside
alone in the front yard while she

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was in the house, Pam suddenly
heard the squeal of some skidding car tires,

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and when she glanced outside the window, she said she saw a two

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door red car speeding away. Even
though Pam never caught a glimpse of the

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driver, she noticed that the vehicle
had license plates from mccracking County, Kentucky.

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Shortly thereafter, Pam went outside to
check on her daughter, who was

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surprised to discover that Marlena was gone. After searching the neighborhood and failing to

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find her, Pam contacted the police
set around four to fifteen to report Marlena

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missing. A massive search of the
area was eventually organized by law enforcements and

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thousands of volunteers, but they failed
to turn up any trace of Marlena.

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The most promising lead was the red
car Pam claimed she had seen driving away

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from her house at around two o'clock
that afternoon. Pam had dropped off Marlena

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and her stepbrother, Jerry, had
a grocery store two blocks away in order

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to purchase candy. Jerry told police
that before they went back home, he

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saw Marlena briefly speaking with a man
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Though he didn't hear the conversation.
Other witnesses from the store, including

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the owner, also saw this and
described the man as looking like he might

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belong to a motorcycle gang. The
witness's description of the vehicle matched the description

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of the red car that Pam had
scene, and it also had plates from

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a krack in County. However,
this lead turned out to be a dead

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end, as the man scene outside
the store was eventually tracked down and ruled

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out as a suspect. Marlene's biological
father, Kevin Childress, lived in Union

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City, but he was cleared of
any involvement, as was her stepfather,

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Johnny Bailey, who was at work
that afternoon. So let me ask you

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guys this. You say that Marlina
was snacked by this red car around three

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thirty, and then mom goes and
scours the neighborhood for her and reports her

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missing at four fifteen. Okay,
fair enough. I guess if you thought

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maybe you knew the red car,
you might start looking. But it sounds

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like there were tires squealing out.
They were skinting off like a very hurried

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escape with your baby in the car. As a mother, I feel like

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I would have immediately contacted nine to
one, or at least like some boy

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in the home, like help me, help me, something happened. Maybe

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I'm not in my right mind to
call nine one one, but I would

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call someone. I don't think I'd
set off on a forty five minute searge

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before I asked for help. No, no, not for a car screeching

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in your front yard. Your child
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or whatever police hotline they had,
because maybe they didn't have nine one one

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at the time, would have been
the appropriate response. Even running over to

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the neighbor and being like she's gone, she's gone, call the police.

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But going for a drive around the
neighborhood is just something that you would do

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if you thought your child that was
older might have just wandered off, and

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so you're going to look and see, oh, maybe they're at a neighborhood

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kids place, not just hoping that
you're going to come across this random red

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car again. Yeah, I mean
her Baker would be totally rational if she

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had no idea what happened to Marlina, if she just thought that she wandered

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off. But if you hear it, the squealing tires in the sound of

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a car that should be a major
red flag. And this is kind of

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like another red flag here that she
gives an accurate description of this car that

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she encountered a couple hours earlier,
and you're thinking, wow, this sounds

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pretty believable. It has the same
license plates, this sounds like this,

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and this guy did have contact with
Marlena. It sounds like this could be

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a promising leave. But then they
quickly ruled this guy out, and you

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seem to wonder could this be part
of a fabricated cover story? And Pam

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is using details that she recalled from
earlier that afternoon. I was wondering if

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she and Jerry had actually said on
and talked about that encounter, because as

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you were describing it, I'm like, this is it, This is it.

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I mean, obviously, as a
mom, I would have told you

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about the red car. Then my
little one would have told you about this

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red car that Marlena was talking to. And it all lines up, and

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then of course you dropped the bomb. Nope, quickly ruled out as a

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suspect. And I'm thinking, oh
no, oh no, I don't even

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have each actual human child, but
I know with the dog park, a

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couple of times, Winston's got away
on me for literally like a second,

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and I can't see him anywhere,
and that feeling of panic just like rises

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up in your gut and you're above
to freak out and like go looking.

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I don't think you just get in
the car and do will leisurely drive around

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and see if she's there. It
just doesn't seem to line up with the

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emotional intensity that you think would happen
if you saw a red car, you

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heard screeching tires, and now your
child is missing. It just seems incongruous.

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That's exactly right, Jule. You
nailed it. Now. If I

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walked outside and Ray wasn't right in
the front yard, I might spend five

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minutes like panicking and looking around because
I don't see her. But Pam witnesses

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supposedly this dramatic exit with her kiddo, like you know, something has gone

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wrong. That's what throws me off. A little search of the neighborhood because

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your kiddo's playing outside. Okay,
that's not what happened here. So during

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this time period, Pam went on
the local news to make a public plea

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for her daughter's safe return, but
the ordeal took a considerable toll on her.

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A month and a half after Marlda
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a hospital for exam ostuen. Pam
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nine days later, on June eighth, it was revealed that Pam and confessed

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to being responsible for Marlena's disappearance.
The confession was made to Stan Cabness,

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a private investigator who had been hired
by Pam's family to work on the case.

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According to Pam, she was trying
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Damon, but Marlena was misbehaving and
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In the heat of the moment,
Pam turned around and slapped Marlena so hard

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that she fell over and accidentally hid
her head on a table, causing her

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death. Pam subsequently placed Marlena's body
in her pickup truck and drove towards the

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nearby town of Martin. Along the
way, she stopped to phone a sixty

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five year old family friend who lived
in Martin named P. L. Summers,

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in order to request his assistance.
Somers then met Pam on a bridge

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at Campground Road, and they both
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her into the north fork of the
Obayan River. This entire confession was recorded

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by Stan Cabness, who subsequently turned
it over to the police. Pam would

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be arrested and charged with second degree
murder and was placed in a mental health

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institution for a court ordered psychological evaluation. Hundreds of people performed a massive search

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of the Obayan River for five straight
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any trace of Marlena's body. Police
questioned p L. Somers, the man

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whom Pam had named as her accomplice, but he denied any involvement. He

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admitted that he knew Pam personally,
but claimed to have not actually seen her

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in two years. Following the announcement
of Pam's confession, many of her neighbors

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gave conflicting statements to the media.
Some of them believed Pam was a good

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mother and did not suspect any issues
in her family, while others requilled having

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seen bruises on Marlena's body and wondered
if abuse had taken place. So do

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we know much about stan Cabness?
Was he former police officer. You often

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see detectives that will retire and then
become private investigators. What do we know

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about Stan? I think he may
have been a former police officer at some

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point, but he was long retired
at some point. But this is what

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makes this case stick out from others
involving supposedly false confessions is that the majority

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of them are done under rest,
will being questioned by police officers, whereas

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Stan Cabinets is a private investigator hired
by Pam's own family who should be on

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her side. So as we're going
to talk about, he would deny that

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there was any coersion. He said
that Pam made this confession voluntarily, and

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it just seems weird to me that
he would try to force the woman that

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he's technically working for to falsely confess
to something she didn't do. Okay,

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So that's exactly what I was going
to ask, because when you have a

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private investigator, they typically are there
are a private entity that you're hiring,

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just like their name implies. And
so the family saying, hey, we

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don't think the police are doing enough, or we think we could be doing

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more or supplement a police investigation,
can you help us? Now? Stan

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probably had law enforcement training. A
lot of private investigators do, so My

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question was going to be, you
know, was he employing the read techniques

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while he's interviewing her, or quote
in quote interviewing her interrogating her? Did

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he come in thinking Pam's a suspect
and saying, hey, sometimes we make

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mistakes. I know you're a good
mom, but right or I can help

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you get out of this. We
know those tactics are used by law enforcement.

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But like you said, Stan's gonna
later say listen, I'm working for

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the family. And Pam comes in
and openly confesses to this crime. WHOA

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that is wild because, typically,
like you said, a false confession is

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generated out of you know, eighteen
hours of darrest at a law enforcement agency.

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Yeah. I'm now going to share
more specific details about how this confession

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took place, because in two weeks
of her arrest, Pam surprised everyone by

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recanting her confession. She claimed she
was feeling emotional straining and was under the

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heavy influence of medication for depression following
her hospital stay, and that Cabnets took

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advantage of this in order to coerce
a confession out of her. According to

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Pam, Cabness told her that everyone
believed she was guilty He said a witness

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had seen her throw Marlena's body into
the river, and there was also physical

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evidence which implicated her. Cabnet told
Pam that she would go to the electric

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chair if she did not confess to
what she had done, and advised her

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to say that Marlena's death was an
accident so people wouldn't think she was a

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cold blooded murderer. Since Pam was
emotionally spent by this point, she said

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that she went along with Cabinets and
told him what he wanted to hear,

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but now claimed that nothing she said
was true. Well. Cabnets denied these

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allegations and said that Pam spoke to
him voluntarily without provocation, because she felt

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guilt and remorse over what she had
done. In response, Cabness decided to

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hold a press conference in which he
played a five minute exert from Pam's tape

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recorded confession and expressed his belief that
she was being truthful about everything she said.

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If that's the way it went down, I can't imagine what Stan's thinking.

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He is telling her, Hey,
listen, this is a piece of

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information I got. I'm going to
be transparent. I have someone who says

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they saw you throw Marlena's body into
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Was there really physical evidence? Oh
not at all. Like all this

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stuff that Cab mis allegedly said is
not true. There was no witness,

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there was no physical evidence. But
he denies ever saying this. Like he

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says that Pam was making this up
and that she confessed to him just to

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get stuff off her chest. So
I guess it depends on which side you

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believe. Okay, Okay, fair
enough. I was going to say,

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now, hold on, those are
good tactics to you. I get it.

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So Pam is saying I was,
I was under darrest, he was

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using those kind of tactics, and
Stan is saying what we all were implying.

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No, my actual clients, one
of them came forward and says,

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this is what happened, right that, this is what I saw. I

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find it fascinating. Right now.
I'm very confused as a person who would

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be in that position, a mom
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I can only imagine how upset and
emotionally and kind of unsound you would

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be in that situation. But I
also feel like your private investigator might not

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be the one that you're going to
open up and confess to Even if he's

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using some of these techniques, like
you're not fearing that you're under arrest,

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you're not fearing that you can't get
out of the room because the police said

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if you confess now, they'll take
the death penalty off the table. None

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of that is happening here. So
it still feels even if he's talking to

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her as a private investigator, and
even if he's saying, hey, someone

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told me this, there's some evidence
there, it would be almost laughable in

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that scenario because she wasn't sitting there
for eighteen hours without food, she wasn't

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being threatened with all these other you
know things. I don't know, just

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not the private investigator. It feels
weird that a false confession would come out

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of that situation. I don't think
so either. I feel like, what

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would be his motivation in trying to
get her to confess he's under her employ

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Like if he was working for the
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I just don't see any underlying motivation
there, and like, how could he

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compel her to give that type of
information. It just it feels like it

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has to be genuine. I mean, unless she was delusional or something like

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that. I don't know. Is
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we just know that she's psychologically and
emotionally very vulnerable. It just said she

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was under depression and that they gave
her a lot of drugs while she was

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hospitalized. And by this point,
until she made this confession, I never

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got any sense that anyone considered her
to be a suspect. So it's not

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like she's facing a lot of public
pressure because people think that she killed her

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daughter. It just this confession just
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that's the point is that you can
believe the confession is genuine, but if

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she's under a lot of medication,
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Pam then raised some more eyebrows by
changing her story again, this time instead

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pointing the finger at pl Summers and
implicating him as an accomplice who helped her

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dispose of Marlena's body, she now
said he was the sole perpetrator. Pam

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claimed that Somers had sexually abused her
as a child, and a lot of

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this abuse took place at the same
bridge where she had confessed to tossing Marlene's

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body into the Obayan River on the
afternoon of April sixteenth. Pam accused Summers

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of showing up at her home to
make sexual advances on her again, but

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when she resisted, Somers responded by
abducting Marlena. Pam said she never told

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anybody about this earlier because Somers had
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once again. Somers denied all these
allegations, and since he seemed to have

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a credible alibi on the day Marlena
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wasn't involved. What It's worth mentioning
that in September nineteen eighty seven, Summers

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would be charged with aggravated sexual battery
for allegedly fondling a nine year old boy,

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though investigators maintained that this incident had
no connection to Marline's case. It

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is weird, though, that Summers
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you have Pam who is coming to
her private investigator and talking to him,

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and then she says, oh,
yeah, this guy Summers actually helped

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me dispose of her body. I
stopped and called him, went and got

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him right, He met me and
we dumped this body, and then you

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said Summers was actually pretty much cleared
by police, like he had an alibi

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for that day exactly. Yeah,
So it's kind of a kind of a

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weird twist and turns here because he's
being implicated in the crime and it's like,

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Okay, he's definitely innocent of any
involvement in Marline's disappearance. But then

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they mentioned, oh yeah, he
would later get arrested for actually fondling a

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nine year old boy, so he
may actually be a sexual predator even if

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he had nothing to do with this
case. Unbelievable. It sounds like those

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are unrelated incidents, even if he
did help, you know, get rid

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of Marline. Marline supposedly hit her
head when she was slapped by Mom.

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But why brings Summers in if there
really was where you know, Summers had

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come and made an advance with Pam
or years earlier they had had some kind

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of disgruntled disagreement and she just latches
onto like who in my life, Like

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am I frustrated with or do would
I not care if they got in trouble?

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And she just picks this guy because
if it's interesting to me that he

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actually has an alibi and the police
verify that. But he's a really critical

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part of this story when you listen
to the details. Well, Pam did

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claim that Summers did abuse her when
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So I almost wonder if that part
of the story is true, and this

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is kind of her former revenge that
I will falsely implicate you in the disappearance

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of my daughter and I don't care
if you're interested or not, because you're

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still a bad person. And it's
almost like a thing. If I'm going

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down, I'm going to take you
with me. I mean, that would

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be some decent kind of revenge because
it did seem to bring to light the

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potential that he was capable of doing
these things. And then when he's later

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accused of fondling that nine year old
boy, it pretty much lines up with

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Pam saying. So it seems like
there was truth to potentially both parts of

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you know, her story where she's
saying that she did kill Marlda it was

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an accident, but somehow it just
brings in pl Summers because part of her

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must have always been seething if that
was indeed true, that this man had

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gone away with it, and maybe
she thought that there were other children that

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could have been victims and maybe victims
now, so that was maybe a way

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to get revenge and maybe a way
to mitigate harm on other children. So

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Pam's father lawaide Strickland, would point
towards another potential lead, as neighbors had

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recalled seeing a blue car near Pam's
home around the time Marlina disappeared. Investigators

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were certain that the blue car belonged
to Johnny Bailey's ex wife, Morna Watts,

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who had stopped by the house to
pick up her son shortly before three

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pm that day, but Luade said
that at least one witness had recalled seeing

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a second blue car in the neighborhood
sometime between three fifteen and three thirty after

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Mona had all he left. Regardless, this lead never went anywhere, and

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after on her going her psychological evaluation, Pam was deemed mentally competent to stand

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trial. The district attorney eventually agreed
to reduce the charge against her from second

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degree murder to voluntary manslaughter, which
only would have carried a prison sense of

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two to ten years. The case
went to a grand jury, but since

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Marlina's body cannot be found, and
the only evidence against Pam was her questionable

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confession. They ultimately decided not to
indict her. Pam continued to maintain her

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innocence and decided to escape the spotlight
by moving back to her original hometown of

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Mayfield, Kentucky. So let's dissect
that a little bit low Wade Strickland.

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So Pam's dad says, listen,
guys, there's a lead. There's a

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blue car that was in the area. I'm assuming that the private investigator and

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police are saying, yes, we're
aware there was a blue car that was

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Mona Watts. She was picking up
the baby right from the house. But

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Dad is saying, no, no, no, no, no, there

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is a second blue car. This
is a different blue car that was suspicious

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around the time that she disappeared.
What's very confusing. We know that the

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witnesses may or may not have been
accurate, but we also know that Pam

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throughout this red car philosophy, right, So we have multiple suspicious cars that

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the police are trying to track down, and it really may be a farce

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that Pam was using information from the
little boy and Dad's using information that witnesses

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misstook for Mona's car. So it's
so difficult because Dad's fighting for answers right.

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He wants to know where his grand
baby is, and you have people

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who are feeding him information which just
simply may not be related to the case,

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and it may be. I mean, look at it from laid Strickland's

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point of view. He hires this
private investigator who he thinks is in his

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corner and is going to help him
find Marlena, but instead he winds up

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getting a confession from his own daughter
who's about to be charged with murder.

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So I'm sure that Lais is very
desperate here. He's thinking, I got

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to find some new evidence that points
away from Pam being responsible. And that's

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when this new lead comes out about
the second blue car, which may not

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be true at all. But from
Lawaite's point of view, he's clinging to

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everything, saying, there has to
be all evidence here that points away from

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my daughter because I was trying to
help her and I wound up hiring a

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private investigator who got her charged with
murder and got her to confess. It's

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also wild here that Pam isn't indicted. I mean, I agree, as

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a prosecutor I'd say, hey,
I don't know that I have a lot

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of information to go on here other
than this kind of questionable confession. But

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guys, how many crazy confessions have
we heard where that's the only piece of

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evidence and it still goes to trial
and the persons still indicted. Do we

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know much about her socioeconomic status,
her race, these kinds of things.

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Did that play a factor, you
think? And why they didn't move forward

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when we do see an other wrongful
conviction cases just as much evidence being used

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to send somebody to for life.
Well, she was a white woman,

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and she had other children, and
I don't think she was from like an

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upper class family. I think she
was just like solidly middle class. I

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think her father, he was like
a businessman in town, so he was

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a bit prominent. So I think
it was kind of a thing where,

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well, if we want to indict
this woman, like a person who was

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accused of murdering her own child,
we at least have to find other corroborating

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evidence. And all they had was
a confession which she wound up precanting,

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so they did not think that was
a solid case. It seems so crazy

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given the climate at the time where
it was, so it was a widely

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held belief that if you confess to
a crime, you're guilty of it.

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So, like you said, Ash, I'm just shocked that they didn't bring

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an indictment against her. Maybe because
she was vulnerable and it was clear she

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was dealing with the mental health issues. Maybe they themselves had some doubt about

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the validity of the confession. I
think that had to be what it was,

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right, and she does have other
children, like, we better be

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darn right that this is what happened. If we're going to take a mom

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away from our kids who's a grieving
mom, and these kinds of things.

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What's fascinating is that there have been
these wild cases, Like you said,

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Jewels, it wasn't until like even
today, if you ask people to people

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falsely confess, they say no way, Like, no one would confess to

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hurting anyone, much less their child, right. But if you look at

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cases like Norfolk four, where up
to seven people were tried wrongfully in a

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case because of these wild false confessions
that don't fit the details at all,

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and you still saw the prosecutor moving
forward, You saw their own defense attorneys

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saying if he confessed, he's guilty. Let me try to just minimize the

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charges here. It's crazy that they
didn't indict her. I think another factor,

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though, is that it was much
less common to bring someone to trial

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for murder without a body during the
late nineteen eighties, and Marlena they still

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hadn't founder. She was still a
missing person, and I think they were

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thinking, well, we can't even
prove that she's dead. And as we're

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going to talk about, they would
have a lot of eyewitness sightings pop up

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in the next few years. And
I think if PAM was going on trial

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at this time and these sightings took
place, that could have been a disaster

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for their case. So they definitely
made the right decision. The investigation would

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now focus on eyewitness sightings, which
seemed to suggest that Marlena might still be

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alive. In November nineteen eighty eight, Social Services received a report about child

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neglect which was supposedly taking place at
a home in Anniston, Alabama. A

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couple lived there with ten children,
and believe it or not, their last

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name was also Childress, even though
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A social worker went to visit the
home and spoke to a young girl

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who apparently said that her name was
Marlena Childress. The name sounded familiar,

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and the social worker later realized that
she had previously seen Marlena Childress's missing poster,

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and the girl she spoke to bore
a resemblance to her. The authorities

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were notified, but by the time
they arrived at the children's home, the

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entire family was gone. The Childresses
were described as having a transient existence,

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as they would move around from state
to state and live off governmental assistance checks,

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and it turned out that the father, Oliver her childress, had a

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restaurence on him. Neighbors were shown
Marlena's photograph and they identified her as the

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same child they'd seen living at the
residence, though they claimed she went by

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the name Crystal. They believed the
family was much more protective of Crystal than

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the other children, and that they
rarely let her out of the house.

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The most convincing piece of evidence that
Crystal might be Marlena is that she was

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described as having silver capped teeth,
which Marlena also had at the time she

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went missing. Holy hell, what
an interesting turn of events in this story.

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It sounds like a couple things are
going on here the social worker it

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might be slightly questionable because she said, like, oh, I remember seeing

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her face on a missing person's poster. Once we start seeing people's faces,

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right, everyone who's heard me rant
before knows this. But once we start

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seeing someone's face and it's in the
media, it's on these posters, people

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start to resemble that person because we're
looking for them, right, We start

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to see them in that face on
different people in the community, and we

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question, is that her? Could
that be the person they're looking for?

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So we already have this little girl's
face imprinted in our mind if someone we're

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looking for. But I am more
convinced by the neighbors who say, look,

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we saw her from time to time, not as much as the other

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kids, which is very suspicious,
but we saw her and that does look

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like the little girl that we saw
here at the home near us. So

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for me, that's actually a little
bit more convincing than that one time stopped

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by the social worker. I do
find it weird though, that we have

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these diffingering accounts that this girl apparently
went by the name Crystal, but the

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girl, when she spoke to the
social worker, said her name was Marlena,

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and that makes you think, oh, she might be a kidnaped child,

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that even though she's supposed to be
going under this new name, she

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subconsciously just gave out her old name, and that's what caused the social worker

406
00:29:02.440 --> 00:29:06.079
to put two and two together.
But I honestly cannot think of another missing

407
00:29:06.079 --> 00:29:10.839
person's case where a family with the
exact same last name as the missing child

408
00:29:11.200 --> 00:29:14.519
were accused of abducting said child.
And it's just like, why do the

409
00:29:14.519 --> 00:29:18.000
odds on that? Like Childress does
not sound like the most common last name,

410
00:29:18.279 --> 00:29:22.880
So it's a very bizarre situation.
So six months after they left Alabama,

411
00:29:23.000 --> 00:29:26.599
the children's family were finally tracked down
in Florida, but Marlina was not

412
00:29:26.680 --> 00:29:30.599
with them, and there was a
strange discrepancy with the girl known as Crystal

413
00:29:32.240 --> 00:29:36.039
Oliver. Childress believed that Crystel must
have been the girl the social workers spoke

414
00:29:36.119 --> 00:29:38.880
to and confused with Marlena. It
would turn out that while nine of the

415
00:29:38.920 --> 00:29:45.319
ten children were biological members of the
family, Crystal was not. Oliver claimed

416
00:29:45.319 --> 00:29:48.920
that Crystell's mother was from Lubbock,
Texas, and had given the child to

417
00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:52.240
him two years ago. He even
produced a note which read quote, I'm

418
00:29:52.279 --> 00:29:56.720
giving her to Oliver childress Well.
Police were not able to authenticate the note

419
00:29:56.799 --> 00:30:02.160
or verify this story, but Oliver
be arrested for sexually abusing two of his

420
00:30:02.319 --> 00:30:06.480
children, all of the children replacing
foster care. But as far as I

421
00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:10.799
can tell, no evidence was ever
found it conclusively proved that Marlina had ever

422
00:30:10.880 --> 00:30:15.160
been with this family. So you're
telling me that they find this family and

423
00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:18.000
that's the only kid that's not with
them, even though she had been given

424
00:30:18.319 --> 00:30:22.039
to the family, Like, tell
me where this kid was, then there

425
00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:26.160
had to have been a cover up
story for oh, yeah, we were

426
00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:29.319
given this kid, and then what
do they give her to someone else?

427
00:30:29.680 --> 00:30:33.160
Yeah, it's never been specified here, like what actually happened to Crystal,

428
00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:37.160
because unfortunately this is where this part
of the story ends. But it just

429
00:30:37.200 --> 00:30:40.160
seems like quite a coincidence that they
have ten kids and the only one who's

430
00:30:40.200 --> 00:30:44.519
not a biological member of their family
is the one that everyone believes is Marlena.

431
00:30:44.599 --> 00:30:47.559
And that note is one of the
lamest things I've ever heard, where

432
00:30:47.599 --> 00:30:49.119
it's like, oh, here's a
note that's someone gave me saying that they're

433
00:30:49.119 --> 00:30:53.000
giving me the trial that must be
conclusive evidence that this is true. Okay,

434
00:30:53.000 --> 00:30:56.319
so, and she's the only kid
that's not there when the police show

435
00:30:56.359 --> 00:30:57.759
up. I want two letters to
be produced, Robin. I want this

436
00:30:57.920 --> 00:31:06.200
jewel Kayler's salad bar letter, and
I want this letter exactly. Well,

437
00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:11.920
it's only like five words on a
napkin. Yeah. There was another potential

438
00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:15.440
sighting of Marlena, which took place
in Leonora City, Tennessee, in September

439
00:31:15.519 --> 00:31:19.960
nineteen eighty nine. This time,
a woman named Amy Spoon was shopping with

440
00:31:19.960 --> 00:31:25.240
her own children at a department store
when they started playing with a young girl.

441
00:31:25.960 --> 00:31:29.599
Amy briefly spoke to the girl until
another woman, whom she assumed was

442
00:31:29.599 --> 00:31:33.440
a child's mother, called her over. Amy said the woman looked angry and

443
00:31:33.480 --> 00:31:37.720
the girl seemed reluctant to go to
her. Shortly thereafter, Amy saw a

444
00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:41.440
missing person's flyer with Marlene's photograph and
believe that she recognized her as the girl

445
00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:47.640
from the department store. Marlene's case
wound up being featured on Unsolved Mysteries in

446
00:31:47.680 --> 00:31:52.079
an episode that aired in September fifth, nineteen ninety. It's worth mentioning that

447
00:31:52.160 --> 00:31:56.160
this was not a new episode,
as a show would sometimes film new segments

448
00:31:56.160 --> 00:32:00.720
and insert them into reruns which aired
during the summer and early fall, so

449
00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:05.960
Marlena's story was featured alongside some older
segments that had already aired before. The

450
00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:09.799
segment mentioned Amy's sighting of Marlena in
Lenore City, but its primary focus was

451
00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:15.279
on the even more compelling eyewitness sighting. Was this witness, Amy Spoon?

452
00:32:15.559 --> 00:32:20.480
Was she shown the mother of this
other childress family? Like? Could it

453
00:32:20.559 --> 00:32:23.440
have been that? Mom? I
do think it was because they actually found

454
00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:28.240
the children's family before the sighting took
place, and they were taken into custody.

455
00:32:28.599 --> 00:32:30.720
So I guess they were going under
the assumption that if the childresses gave

456
00:32:30.759 --> 00:32:36.640
away this girl, that maybe this
woman that she was with could have been

457
00:32:36.680 --> 00:32:39.640
her new caregiver at that time.
The sighting in question occurred on April the

458
00:32:39.720 --> 00:32:44.839
twenty second, nineteen eighty seven,
only six days after Marlena went missing.

459
00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:47.519
It took place in Memphis, which
is one hundred miles from Union City,

460
00:32:47.920 --> 00:32:52.799
at an establishment called Jean's Hair Salon. Gale Reich and Janice Wells, a

461
00:32:52.880 --> 00:32:57.680
pair of hairdresser was working there that
day, claimed that a young girl matching

462
00:32:57.680 --> 00:33:01.440
Marlena's description walked into the salon,
She was accompanied by a boy who appeared

463
00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:05.960
to be around six years old,
as well as two women, a younger

464
00:33:05.960 --> 00:33:08.480
one in her twenties or thirties and
an elderly lady who looked like she was

465
00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:13.480
in her fifties or sixties. While
Gail was given the girl a haircut,

466
00:33:13.599 --> 00:33:15.759
she started crying out, quote,
I want my mommy, I want to

467
00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:21.119
go home. The younger woman barely
reacted to the girl's crying and did not

468
00:33:21.160 --> 00:33:24.039
attempt to console her, which made
Gail suspect that the woman might not actually

469
00:33:24.079 --> 00:33:29.640
be the girl's mother. The older
woman soon spoke out and said, quote,

470
00:33:29.960 --> 00:33:31.559
be a good girl, Marlena,
and will take you to the movies.

471
00:33:32.240 --> 00:33:36.920
The group then left in a vehicle
which was described as having Maryland license

472
00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:39.960
plates. Later that same day,
Gail went out on her break and stopped

473
00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:45.200
by a convenience store where she noticed
a newspaper which is running a story about

474
00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:51.119
Marlina Childress's disappearance and had her photograph
on the front page. Gail instantly recognized

475
00:33:51.119 --> 00:33:53.160
her as the girl she had seen
at the salon, and when Janice Wells

476
00:33:53.240 --> 00:33:58.559
was shown the photo, she concurred, do we know if they were dramatically

477
00:33:58.680 --> 00:34:01.559
changing her hairstyle. By any chance, there's never been specified. They didn't

478
00:34:01.559 --> 00:34:05.920
really say that she was like changing
her hair much as all at all.

479
00:34:05.960 --> 00:34:08.239
It just sounded like it was more
like a standard visit. But I could

480
00:34:08.239 --> 00:34:12.440
see something like this happening. If
you've got like a child that's been abducted,

481
00:34:12.519 --> 00:34:15.239
you want to try to dramatically alter
her appearance. Yeah, that's what

482
00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:19.119
I was wondering. So they're taking
her to this hairstylist. However, I

483
00:34:19.159 --> 00:34:22.079
will tell you, as much as
I wouldness identifications stink. The fact that

484
00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:27.320
these ladies actually spent time with her
and they were given this kind of I

485
00:34:27.360 --> 00:34:30.920
mean, imagine when you're in a
chair getting your hair cut, the hairstylist

486
00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:34.199
is looking in the mirror and talking
to you. You know, they're looking

487
00:34:34.199 --> 00:34:36.800
at your faith. They're right up
next to your face, cutting your bangs

488
00:34:36.880 --> 00:34:39.039
or trimming the front of your hair. So there really was a lot of

489
00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:45.760
eye contact on this little one.
I could see the influence of like let's

490
00:34:45.800 --> 00:34:47.920
say they had said, you know, hey, Melissa, be a good

491
00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:51.880
girl, will take you to the
movies, and then they go read the

492
00:34:51.960 --> 00:34:55.960
newspaper and the names Marlina. I
can see where subconsciously facts might change.

493
00:34:57.320 --> 00:35:00.800
But having so much visual exposure to
this kiddo, seeing the dynamic between the

494
00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:06.599
parties, this one sounds like a
more reputable sighting of the little girl than

495
00:35:06.679 --> 00:35:09.639
anything we've heard up to this point
in my opinion. Yeah, especially the

496
00:35:09.639 --> 00:35:14.880
fact that they saw Marlena's photo on
break like only a short time later after

497
00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:16.960
this girl had been on the salon, so it was still freshen or memory,

498
00:35:17.119 --> 00:35:22.480
whereas a lot of these mistaken eyewitness
sightings are from people who see photographs

499
00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:25.039
of the missing person like days or
weeks after the facts, so their memories

500
00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:28.920
playing tricks on them. And if
they call nine on one or is there

501
00:35:29.000 --> 00:35:31.519
something in response to the Unsolved Mysteries. No, they'd called nine on one

502
00:35:31.559 --> 00:35:36.400
because I think this was only six
days after Marlina actually went missing, so

503
00:35:36.440 --> 00:35:39.840
they decided to call them, And
I think Unsolved Mysteries made this the primary

504
00:35:39.880 --> 00:35:45.119
focus of the segment because they believe
this was the most believable sighting of Marlena.

505
00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:49.639
Yeah, so far, I would
concur Following the eyewitness sighting of the

506
00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:54.400
little girl in the salon, Marlena's
maternal grandfather, Luaide Strickland, eventually traveled

507
00:35:54.400 --> 00:36:00.440
to Memphis to perform his own independent
investigation into this sighting. He came to

508
00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:02.800
believe that the younger woman seeing at
the hair salon might have been a local

509
00:36:02.840 --> 00:36:08.000
waitress who had allegedly left town in
the morning after Marlena went missing before returning

510
00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:13.360
a few days later. Laid decided
to take Gayel and Janis to the waitress's

511
00:36:13.360 --> 00:36:16.440
restaurant while she was working, and
they both identified her as the woman from

512
00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:22.719
the salon. Luaide then showed the
two hairdressers a photo lineup featuring six young

513
00:36:22.760 --> 00:36:25.639
boys. Gail and Janis both picked
out a photo of a boy whom they

514
00:36:25.639 --> 00:36:30.280
recognized as the boy from the salon, before Lauade revealed to them that he

515
00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:35.920
was the waitress's son. After Lauaide
shared this information with the police, they

516
00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:39.480
questioned the waitress, who denied having
any knowledge of Marlena Childress. Since she

517
00:36:39.559 --> 00:36:44.960
passed a polygraph and investigators found no
evidence to implicate her, they came to

518
00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:49.960
believe that the waitress was probably not
involved in Marlena's disappearance. But shortly after

519
00:36:50.000 --> 00:36:53.719
this questioning took place, Gail and
Janis claimed they started receiving threatening phone calls

520
00:36:53.760 --> 00:37:00.199
at the salon from an anonymous female
so eerie. I love this dad,

521
00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:04.920
whether he's accurate or not. I
love how this granddaddy and dad is saying,

522
00:37:04.960 --> 00:37:07.960
like, all right, I hired
a private investigator, which got me

523
00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:12.920
a false confession from my daughter,
or a confession from my daughter. I'm

524
00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:15.760
going to go out and do an
investigation myself. I think I know what

525
00:37:15.880 --> 00:37:20.440
happened, and he's hunting down these
people. I'm really trying to make a

526
00:37:20.480 --> 00:37:23.679
difference in this case and figure out
what happened to his baby. It is

527
00:37:23.880 --> 00:37:29.960
crazy that these women not only said
yes, that's the waitress, which okay,

528
00:37:29.960 --> 00:37:31.840
we're sitting face to face and being
asked right, and we're being like

529
00:37:32.199 --> 00:37:37.000
a direct lineup, right, a
direct identification of a single suspect is that

530
00:37:37.119 --> 00:37:39.000
her? A lot of times again
there's problems with that. It's called a

531
00:37:39.079 --> 00:37:43.280
show up, right, There's just
one person, no one to compare them

532
00:37:43.280 --> 00:37:47.760
too, So show ups are really
suspicious. But you then have this basically

533
00:37:47.760 --> 00:37:52.079
a police lineup of children, and
they also pick out the waitress's son.

534
00:37:53.039 --> 00:37:58.360
Very eerie. I am glad police
did follow up on his leads because a

535
00:37:58.400 --> 00:38:01.199
lot of times families are stifled.
They're not really taken seriously, but it

536
00:38:01.239 --> 00:38:05.519
sounds like police went above and beyond. They gave a polygraph test, they

537
00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:12.559
investigated this accusation, and they were
cleared. Who knew that Gail and Janice

538
00:38:12.920 --> 00:38:16.039
were helping and made these threatening phone
calls? Though if it's not the waitress,

539
00:38:16.719 --> 00:38:20.760
well it could be a thing though
that if the waitress was angry that

540
00:38:21.159 --> 00:38:23.239
she was being falsely implicated in a
missing children's case, she may have been

541
00:38:23.280 --> 00:38:28.760
bitter and decide I just take my
child in here for a parsalonapointment, and

542
00:38:28.760 --> 00:38:31.159
now you're accusing me of like abducting
a child. And maybe she was just

543
00:38:31.239 --> 00:38:36.559
angry and the threatening phone calls had
nothing to actually do with Marlena's disappearance.

544
00:38:36.599 --> 00:38:39.679
But I do think that Luaide Strickland
is quite a unique character because he had

545
00:38:39.719 --> 00:38:44.360
no experience in law enforcement. He
was not a private investigator. He ran

546
00:38:44.440 --> 00:38:47.360
a shoe repair business, and here
he is like doing stuff like photo lineups

547
00:38:47.360 --> 00:38:52.800
and doing them properly in order to
do his own independent investigation trying to find

548
00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:55.880
his granddaughter. I really wonder what
those other boys did look like, though,

549
00:38:57.400 --> 00:39:00.199
because when you do this like six
pack lineup of these kids and you're

550
00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:05.639
doing it as a private investigator,
not as the police. You have to

551
00:39:05.679 --> 00:39:08.599
wonder how similar in appearance were they
did? They look very different, so

552
00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:13.599
it was like quite obvious that only
one fit the criteria. I really would

553
00:39:13.639 --> 00:39:16.039
like to see that six pack of
child. I guess it's like a six

554
00:39:16.079 --> 00:39:20.440
pack of boys, right, And
I'm curious where he got them from that

555
00:39:20.559 --> 00:39:22.480
he just like randomly take them out
of a yearbook or something like that.

556
00:39:22.599 --> 00:39:27.039
And yes to say, and where
did he get the photo of the waitress's

557
00:39:27.039 --> 00:39:29.920
son to begin with? Was I
in the bushes taking photos of him as

558
00:39:29.920 --> 00:39:35.440
well? So very curious? Yeah, exactly, yea, so did Jules

559
00:39:35.440 --> 00:39:39.400
request for a six pack up young? Yeah, I would just like to

560
00:39:39.400 --> 00:39:43.599
see because I would like to see
the similarity in appearance. But then,

561
00:39:43.719 --> 00:39:45.519
yeah, it brings up the more
bizarre thing of where did he get these

562
00:39:45.559 --> 00:39:50.480
pictures of children? He had like
five black boys and one white one,

563
00:39:50.519 --> 00:39:53.880
and they actually picked out the correct
one. Imagine that crazy. The Unsaw

564
00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:59.079
Mystery segment brought in over two hundred
tips from viewers, but nothing that brought

565
00:39:59.079 --> 00:40:01.639
the case any close or to a
resolution. This would turn out to be

566
00:40:01.679 --> 00:40:05.880
the only time the segment ever aired
on the show, as Due to the

567
00:40:05.920 --> 00:40:09.800
controversial nature of this case, Marlena's
family apparently asked that it not be shown

568
00:40:09.800 --> 00:40:14.000
again, and on part two of
this series, we're going to have a

569
00:40:14.039 --> 00:40:17.639
more in depth discussion about some issues
with the alleged sighting of Marlena and Memphis.

570
00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:22.599
The case pretty much faded from the
spotlight until a very unexpected new development

571
00:40:22.639 --> 00:40:27.760
took place in two thousand and two. By this point, Pam Bailey was

572
00:40:27.800 --> 00:40:30.480
still living in Mayfield, Kentucky,
with her husband Johnny and their son Damon,

573
00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:35.039
and she had since given birth to
another son named Casey, who was

574
00:40:35.079 --> 00:40:38.320
now twelve years old. On the
evening of April the twenty second, Pam

575
00:40:38.360 --> 00:40:44.360
told Casey that she was taking him
somewhere for a quote unquote surprise. As

576
00:40:44.360 --> 00:40:47.840
they were driving, Pam gave Casey
a handkerchief and told him to blindfold themselves

577
00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:52.199
until they arrived. They wound up
stopping at a rural cemetery, and while

578
00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:57.480
Casey was still blindfolded, Pam led
him to a cemetery marker with the words

579
00:40:57.480 --> 00:41:01.119
son inscribed on it. She asked
Casey sit down before she suddenly pulled out

580
00:41:01.119 --> 00:41:05.920
a knife and attacked him, stabbing
Casey three times. In the neck and

581
00:41:06.039 --> 00:41:10.159
shoulder. Thankfully, Casey managed to
kick his mother away and escape before running

582
00:41:10.159 --> 00:41:15.079
to a nearby house to see Kell. After he recovered from the attack,

583
00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:22.159
Casey was released to the custody of
his father. Huh yeah, wow what

584
00:41:22.039 --> 00:41:25.840
oh man. Sometimes I really wish
we were on video. I would love

585
00:41:25.840 --> 00:41:31.039
to see a reaction to that.
That's a lot of information to take in.

586
00:41:31.159 --> 00:41:36.320
Okay, Pam, Am I incorrect
that Johnny and her had been separated.

587
00:41:36.360 --> 00:41:39.280
They must have gotten back together.
I know she was separated from Marlina's

588
00:41:39.280 --> 00:41:44.039
father, Kevin Childress, and she
was married to Johnny at the time Arlina

589
00:41:44.079 --> 00:41:46.440
went missing, so they were still
married after fifteen years. Okay, So

590
00:41:46.559 --> 00:41:50.840
Johnny stood by Pam through all this, and then they had their infant son

591
00:41:50.880 --> 00:41:54.519
at the time when Marlene and went
missing. Okay, fair enough, I'm

592
00:41:54.599 --> 00:41:59.679
speechless. I mean, she found
a grave. I'm assuming that said the

593
00:41:59.719 --> 00:42:07.039
word son. She surprises Casey by
trying to take his life, and I'm

594
00:42:07.079 --> 00:42:10.079
assuming we're going to go right back
into that psychiatric evaluation stage at this point.

595
00:42:10.599 --> 00:42:14.400
Pretty much. Yeah, Like to
this day, nobody really knows what

596
00:42:14.440 --> 00:42:17.559
her motive for doing this was and
why she suddenly just decided to do this

597
00:42:17.639 --> 00:42:21.639
in two thousand and two, when
she had pretty much put her life back

598
00:42:21.679 --> 00:42:24.639
together because she was no longer under
suspicion. She hadn't been cleared as a

599
00:42:24.679 --> 00:42:29.679
suspect, but Marline's case had faded
from the spotlight. But I have wondered

600
00:42:29.679 --> 00:42:34.480
that this was very close to the
fifteen year anniversary of Marline's disappearance, and

601
00:42:34.519 --> 00:42:38.559
I've always wondered if there's some significance
for her choosing this particular date. Pam

602
00:42:38.719 --> 00:42:44.119
was quickly arrested and charged with attempted
murder, but she claimed that she blacked

603
00:42:44.119 --> 00:42:47.559
out and had no memory of stabbing
her son. She ultimately wound up pleading

604
00:42:47.599 --> 00:42:52.679
no contest a second degree assault.
I'm received a ten year prison sentence.

605
00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:57.639
Johnny Bailey filed for divorce from Pam, but oddly, even though she had

606
00:42:57.679 --> 00:43:01.639
stabbed their son, Johnny publicly came
to Pam's defense and campaigned for her release.

607
00:43:01.639 --> 00:43:06.440
In two thousand and four, he
claimed that Casey was no longer fearful

608
00:43:06.440 --> 00:43:08.559
of her and that he would have
no problem with his ex wife around his

609
00:43:08.639 --> 00:43:14.000
children. Pam served her time and
has since been released from prison, but

610
00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:19.320
her current whereabouts are unknown. This
incident seemed to reaffirm the police's belief that

611
00:43:19.400 --> 00:43:23.679
Pam was responsible for Marlena's disappearance,
as her attack on Casey happened to take

612
00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:30.360
place only six days after the fifteenth
anniversary. However, even though the investigation

613
00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:35.199
was reopened, no new evidence could
be uncovered to implicate Pam, and after

614
00:43:35.280 --> 00:43:39.480
more than thirty five years, Marlene's
whereabouts continued to remain unknown. So I

615
00:43:39.480 --> 00:43:45.559
guess you could say the path went
chilly. There really is a lot of

616
00:43:45.639 --> 00:43:51.639
sadness surrounding Pam. Let's say that
she did not kill Marlena, and that

617
00:43:51.639 --> 00:43:55.320
that was something that she did say
in a state where she's really not healthy.

618
00:43:55.400 --> 00:44:00.599
Right. We know that court psychiatric
evaluations don't somebody's not struggling with mental

619
00:44:00.639 --> 00:44:05.239
health, right. They're proving is
she competent to stand trial and is she

620
00:44:05.440 --> 00:44:08.960
quote insane, which is a legal
term. So when we look at the

621
00:44:09.320 --> 00:44:15.480
findings that she was competent and stable
with Marline's trial, that doesn't mean she

622
00:44:15.639 --> 00:44:21.079
wasn't struggling with depression and postpartum after
having an infant son and these kinds of

623
00:44:21.119 --> 00:44:24.800
things. So let's assume for a
second Pam is not to blame for Marlina's

624
00:44:24.840 --> 00:44:31.599
disappearance and then coming up on the
fifteen year anniversary, Johnny knows what She's

625
00:44:31.639 --> 00:44:37.760
well aware that his wife has been
struggling since Marline's disappearance, possibly before Marline's

626
00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:43.519
disappearance, and now has this this
break with reality and attacks her son.

627
00:44:44.280 --> 00:44:50.719
It is either that he is absolutely
naive and completely blind to the reality that

628
00:44:50.760 --> 00:44:55.920
his wife is dangerous, or he's
empathetic and knowledgeable that she is mightily struggling

629
00:44:57.400 --> 00:45:00.159
and we have never gotten her help
she needs because at some point he's still

630
00:45:00.199 --> 00:45:05.119
standing by her, saying she should
be released. She's not a danger to

631
00:45:05.159 --> 00:45:07.039
her son. Our son doesn't think
she's a danger. So I'm in this

632
00:45:07.079 --> 00:45:12.280
position where I'm you know, part
of me wants to hug Pam and get

633
00:45:12.280 --> 00:45:15.079
her mental health help, and the
other part of me is going, WHOA,

634
00:45:15.159 --> 00:45:19.159
this isn't voting well for history and
kind of recurrent behavior. What are

635
00:45:19.159 --> 00:45:22.039
your thoughts on that, Guys,
Like, is this a pattern? It

636
00:45:22.119 --> 00:45:25.639
feels like it could be a pattern. But also if somebody you know is

637
00:45:25.719 --> 00:45:30.400
dealing with a lot of mental health
issues, there isn't the same type of

638
00:45:30.440 --> 00:45:35.559
responsibility for their actions. Like just
to take for example, the case.

639
00:45:35.679 --> 00:45:39.840
I think it was in Canada with
the Greyhound bus where the guy on the

640
00:45:39.880 --> 00:45:46.199
Greyhound bus basically like decapitated one of
the people on the bus, and this

641
00:45:46.239 --> 00:45:51.599
individual ended up going in for psychiatric
care I think for about eight years,

642
00:45:52.119 --> 00:45:54.199
was stabilized, and then they were
released. I do believe that they were

643
00:45:54.239 --> 00:46:00.360
schizophrenic, and so you know,
the responsibility that is on the should of

644
00:46:00.440 --> 00:46:05.800
somebody who is dealing with mental illness
and whose behavior could be corrected with the

645
00:46:05.880 --> 00:46:09.199
right pharmaceuticals. They then don't pose
the risk that they posed when they were

646
00:46:09.239 --> 00:46:14.960
unmedicated. So the fact that he's
coming to Pam's defense, I think speaks

647
00:46:15.039 --> 00:46:19.360
highly of the fact that perhaps Pam
was going through a very difficult time and

648
00:46:19.800 --> 00:46:23.679
maybe under the right medication and the
right treatment, Pam no longer poses that

649
00:46:23.800 --> 00:46:28.719
risk, Because I think that's a
bold statement. You have somebody who's essentially

650
00:46:28.719 --> 00:46:32.320
trying to kill the son that you
share with Pam, and now you're saying

651
00:46:32.320 --> 00:46:37.280
that she doesn't pose a risk.
So that seems like a one eighty from

652
00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:40.079
how he must have been feeling right
after the event. Yeah, it makes

653
00:46:40.119 --> 00:46:44.960
me want to know more about Pam's
character and her background because We've had these

654
00:46:44.960 --> 00:46:49.800
allegations that perhaps she was abusive to
Marlena before she went missing, though this

655
00:46:49.880 --> 00:46:52.079
was never corroborated, and it makes
me wonder, like, did she really

656
00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:57.559
treat her children well during that fifteen
year gap between nineteen eighty seven in two

657
00:46:57.599 --> 00:47:00.000
thousand and two, Because I don't
think Johnny would be acting this way unless

658
00:47:00.039 --> 00:47:05.280
he genuinely believed that Pam was a
good mother, or maybe she was abusive,

659
00:47:05.320 --> 00:47:07.719
but he was just completely blind to
it, and that's why he was

660
00:47:07.760 --> 00:47:10.840
still standing up for so. Like
I mentioned in the intro, I recalled

661
00:47:10.880 --> 00:47:15.480
seeing this segment when it originally aired
on Unsolved Mysteries in September of nineteen ninety,

662
00:47:15.599 --> 00:47:19.800
but hadn't really thought about the case
that much until I found the segment

663
00:47:19.840 --> 00:47:23.880
on YouTube and rewatched it in twenty
eighteen and immediately felt compelled to cover it

664
00:47:23.960 --> 00:47:29.079
on the Trail Went Cold. It
was quite a fascinating experience to dive down

665
00:47:29.119 --> 00:47:31.519
into the rabbit hole and follow all
the twists and turns, and while putting

666
00:47:31.519 --> 00:47:37.280
my episode together, I changed my
mind about certain things multiple times. There

667
00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:40.280
definitely is good reason to be suspicious
of Pam Bailey and believed that she was

668
00:47:40.320 --> 00:47:45.199
responsible from Marlena's disappearance. Given that
there was no other evidence to implicate her,

669
00:47:45.400 --> 00:47:50.039
it would be easy to believe that
Pam's confession to killing Marlena was false.

670
00:47:50.559 --> 00:47:52.840
But once you learned that she stabbed
one of her other children fifteen years

671
00:47:52.920 --> 00:47:57.880
later, it's a lot harder to
accept that she's an innocent victim. I

672
00:47:57.960 --> 00:48:01.039
mean, one of the original obstacles
to be leaving that Pam killed Marlena is

673
00:48:01.039 --> 00:48:05.400
that she didn't seem to have any
apparent motive. But as far as I

674
00:48:05.440 --> 00:48:08.199
can tell, there wasn't any discernible
motive for her to establish son Casey.

675
00:48:08.800 --> 00:48:13.199
All she ever said is that she
blacked out and could not even remember doing

676
00:48:13.239 --> 00:48:15.320
it. I don't know if that's
actually true, but if it is,

677
00:48:15.719 --> 00:48:20.920
who's to say that a similar situation
couldn't have occurred with Marlena. But if,

678
00:48:20.960 --> 00:48:24.000
by chance, Pam was completely innocent
in Marlene's case, could the strain

679
00:48:24.039 --> 00:48:29.679
of losing a child and being falsely
accused have caused Pam to snap? Given

680
00:48:29.679 --> 00:48:34.039
that our attack on Casey took place
only a few days after the fifteenth anniversary

681
00:48:34.039 --> 00:48:37.920
of Marlene's disappearance, it's not hard
to believe there might be some sort of

682
00:48:37.960 --> 00:48:42.519
connection. Well, Robin, ironically, I did not even think about the

683
00:48:42.559 --> 00:48:46.719
fact that you're right. If she
claims that she actually snapped and doesn't remember

684
00:48:46.760 --> 00:48:52.360
what happened with Casey and she was
capable of mentally kind of snapping in and

685
00:48:52.400 --> 00:48:57.199
out of this psychosis or kind of
blacking out, could it have been something

686
00:48:57.199 --> 00:49:00.000
that happened when Marlena was hurt.
Maybe, and that's why she made her

687
00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:05.239
confession that maybe she legitimately did not
remember it for a couple months, but

688
00:49:05.280 --> 00:49:08.239
then after going under some medication staying
in the hospital, it just suddenly came

689
00:49:08.239 --> 00:49:12.719
back to her. She believed that
she had harmed Marlena and then just decided

690
00:49:12.760 --> 00:49:15.559
to spill her guts about it.
But then maybe couldn't even recall if it

691
00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:20.320
was real or not, and that's
why she recanted her confession. It's very

692
00:49:20.440 --> 00:49:23.079
tempting to throw Pam to the wolves, but even after what she did to

693
00:49:23.159 --> 00:49:29.079
Casey, it's quite remarkable how much
support she's continued to receive. How many

694
00:49:29.119 --> 00:49:32.000
other cases will you find where a
mother goes to prison stabbing her own son,

695
00:49:32.360 --> 00:49:37.679
and the child's father will publicly campaign
for her early release. I don't

696
00:49:37.679 --> 00:49:39.880
know what it is, but it
seems like even though Pam has harmed one

697
00:49:39.960 --> 00:49:45.039
child and is suspected of harming another, some people out there refused to believe

698
00:49:45.119 --> 00:49:49.000
she's a bad person. Of course, the biggest piece of evidence which might

699
00:49:49.039 --> 00:49:52.400
point away from Pam's involvement in Marlena's
disappearance is that there seemed to be a

700
00:49:52.400 --> 00:49:58.119
lot of credible evidence to suggests Marlena
was still alive after she was reported missing.

701
00:49:58.920 --> 00:50:01.159
Now, I know we all must
sound like broken records since we've said

702
00:50:01.199 --> 00:50:07.360
this so many times on our podcast, but it's worth reiterating. Eyewitness sightings

703
00:50:07.440 --> 00:50:13.960
in missing persons cases can be notoriously
unreliable. Whenever a missing person's case gets

704
00:50:14.000 --> 00:50:19.199
extensive coverage in the media, which
Marlena certainly did, it's inevitable that witnesses

705
00:50:19.239 --> 00:50:22.400
will come forward who believe they saw
the victims somewhere, But more often than

706
00:50:22.440 --> 00:50:27.320
not, it turns out that they
were mistaken and only saw someone else who

707
00:50:27.320 --> 00:50:30.440
resembled the missing individual. However,
a lot of credence was placed on the

708
00:50:30.440 --> 00:50:35.880
sighting of Marlena from the two hairdressers
at the salon in Memphis, which took

709
00:50:35.880 --> 00:50:40.480
place six days after she originally vanished. A particularly convincing detail is that one

710
00:50:40.480 --> 00:50:45.760
of the women the girl was with
actually referred to her as Marlena, which

711
00:50:45.800 --> 00:50:49.800
is not an overly common name.
There's also the fact that this girl kept

712
00:50:49.800 --> 00:50:52.360
crying and saying I want my mommy. The women of the salon did not

713
00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:55.719
even react to this. So why
would this girl be asking for her mother

714
00:50:55.800 --> 00:51:00.039
if she was there with her.
I'm still of the minds that of everything

715
00:51:00.039 --> 00:51:05.159
we've heard, these are the two
women who likely would have had the best

716
00:51:05.320 --> 00:51:07.440
view of the little one that was
sitting before them while they're cutting her hair,

717
00:51:07.960 --> 00:51:12.400
and more than that, while they're
interacting with the entire group of people.

718
00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:15.840
There were two women there, Marlena's
there and a little boy. They

719
00:51:15.840 --> 00:51:20.679
were able to see this little girl
close up. They were able to observe

720
00:51:20.760 --> 00:51:24.239
some really questionable behavior like I want
my mommy, meaning she's not present with

721
00:51:24.280 --> 00:51:28.480
them. Kind of odd to take
someone else's child to get their haircut,

722
00:51:28.559 --> 00:51:32.159
unless you know it's like someone really
close with like I've asked my mother in

723
00:51:32.239 --> 00:51:37.000
law and my parents to help me
with my little one, but as stranger

724
00:51:37.039 --> 00:51:39.920
taking her into the haircut place and
her saying I want my mommy, them

725
00:51:39.960 --> 00:51:44.559
telling her basically you behave and will
do something fun for you. Trying to

726
00:51:44.599 --> 00:51:47.880
bribe her to behave and be quiet. All of that is very suspicious.

727
00:51:47.960 --> 00:51:54.039
And then this hairdresser goes on her
break, picks up a newspaper and sees

728
00:51:54.079 --> 00:51:59.679
the story that there's this missing child
that she's pretty confident she was just cutting

729
00:51:59.679 --> 00:52:02.440
this little one's hair. I still
would love to know. Was it coloring

730
00:52:02.480 --> 00:52:07.960
her hair, cutting it significantly shorter. Was it adding bangs when she didn't

731
00:52:07.960 --> 00:52:12.519
have them, because that would make
sense that we would take her to a

732
00:52:12.519 --> 00:52:16.440
hairdresser and try to dramatically change her
looks to conceal that we have this little

733
00:52:16.519 --> 00:52:21.320
kid. Unless you have a child
in pageants, you're likely not going to

734
00:52:21.360 --> 00:52:24.880
be like bleaching or coloring their hair. So that would be a major red

735
00:52:24.920 --> 00:52:30.119
flag if there was coloring involved.
But even if there is a dramatic cut,

736
00:52:30.239 --> 00:52:34.440
right, because you can completely change
the appearance of somebody, Like if

737
00:52:34.519 --> 00:52:37.280
somebody has really long hair and you
cut bangs and you cut their hair into

738
00:52:37.320 --> 00:52:42.960
a bob, they can look like
an entirely different person for multiple reasons because

739
00:52:42.960 --> 00:52:45.639
the hair is framing their face in
different ways. But also hair can cover

740
00:52:45.679 --> 00:52:47.880
the body. It can make you
look shorter. It can make you look

741
00:52:47.920 --> 00:52:52.480
taller. It can really shift the
way that others perceive you. So if

742
00:52:52.480 --> 00:52:57.960
you were trying to disguise the way
that this child, potentially Marline, looked,

743
00:52:58.039 --> 00:53:00.719
then changing her appearance by way of
her hair would be a good place

744
00:53:00.760 --> 00:53:06.639
to start. And particularly, let's
say say theoretically they saw the newspaper that

745
00:53:06.760 --> 00:53:09.280
morning and saw Marlina's photos everywhere,
They're probably thinking of themselves, Oh my

746
00:53:09.360 --> 00:53:13.480
god, there's a chance someone might
recognize her. Let's get her hair cut

747
00:53:13.519 --> 00:53:16.920
instantly to try to disguise her.
Oh that's so true, Robin. There

748
00:53:17.079 --> 00:53:21.679
was publicity that day. That's how
the hairdressers no to call the police.

749
00:53:21.800 --> 00:53:23.519
And so you're right, it could
have really set them into a panic.

750
00:53:24.000 --> 00:53:28.559
You would think that we would go
into the bathroom and cut it ourselves,

751
00:53:28.599 --> 00:53:32.400
but people aren't very smart. So
taking her to get professionally have her hair

752
00:53:32.559 --> 00:53:37.199
professionally cut, I think a lot
of people would make that mistake and take

753
00:53:37.239 --> 00:53:40.360
her in. Another reason I thought
this sighting was more convincing than most is

754
00:53:40.360 --> 00:53:45.239
because the hairdressers saw Marlina's photo in
the newspaper a very short time after they

755
00:53:45.280 --> 00:53:50.480
saw the girl at the Salon.
This is the thing with mistaken eyewitness sayings.

756
00:53:50.519 --> 00:53:52.440
A lot of the time, these
witnesses will see a missing poster or

757
00:53:52.480 --> 00:53:55.679
a photo of the victim in the
papers and realize, hey, I saw

758
00:53:55.719 --> 00:54:00.000
this person. But this is usually
days or weeks after the fact. Since

759
00:54:00.000 --> 00:54:04.440
a lot of time has passed,
their memories may not be reliable. But

760
00:54:04.559 --> 00:54:07.480
when Gayale Reich saw Marlina's photo,
it was only about a few hours after

761
00:54:07.519 --> 00:54:10.679
she gave the girl a haircut,
so her memory of the incident still would

762
00:54:10.679 --> 00:54:15.519
have been fresh. If the sighting
was accurate, and Marlina was still alive

763
00:54:15.559 --> 00:54:19.440
in Memphis on April the twenty second, then this meant that Pam couldn't have

764
00:54:19.519 --> 00:54:22.679
killed her and thrown her body into
the Obaide River, so her confession had

765
00:54:22.719 --> 00:54:28.760
to be false. I started to
ponder another possibility. Perhaps Pam sold or

766
00:54:28.800 --> 00:54:31.760
gave Marlina away to these other women, as there were unconfirmed rumors in the

767
00:54:31.760 --> 00:54:36.719
community that Pam had once admitted to
selling Marlina in order to pay off a

768
00:54:36.800 --> 00:54:39.880
drug debt. Pam could have eventually
become so racked with guilt over the whole

769
00:54:39.880 --> 00:54:45.440
situation that she fabricated a story about
killing her even though that's not what actually

770
00:54:45.480 --> 00:54:51.159
happened. This has to be incredibly
distressing for everybody involved, not just Pam.

771
00:54:51.199 --> 00:54:53.880
I mean, if Pam is innocent, there's so many things going on.

772
00:54:54.000 --> 00:54:58.119
She's alive, She's not alive,
right, I think I know who

773
00:54:58.159 --> 00:55:00.719
took her. I am the one
who heard her. If Pam is struggling

774
00:55:00.719 --> 00:55:05.039
with mental health, she could partially
believe some of the things that she confessed,

775
00:55:05.159 --> 00:55:08.039
right. If she's innocent and yet
made this claim, it's possible that

776
00:55:08.079 --> 00:55:12.639
she's one of those people who's rationalizing, could I be a monster and not

777
00:55:12.760 --> 00:55:15.719
remember what I did? Maybe she
had had those blackout episodes before. Maybe

778
00:55:15.760 --> 00:55:22.199
she was not sure of the moments
around Marlena's disappearance. You also have,

779
00:55:22.360 --> 00:55:29.360
though all of these individuals, her
grandfather is actively fighting for answers in this

780
00:55:29.400 --> 00:55:34.880
case. And you have eyewitnesses from
all aspects right that actually interacted with the

781
00:55:34.920 --> 00:55:37.760
baby, that saw her in the
shopping mall, that are saying that they

782
00:55:37.760 --> 00:55:42.000
saw in another location over in Memphis. All of this is like these false

783
00:55:42.039 --> 00:55:45.679
promises for everybody. These are the
cases that break my heart, because Marlena

784
00:55:46.360 --> 00:55:52.400
was never returned home, even as
a deceased little one. If they had

785
00:55:52.599 --> 00:55:54.760
her in their care and they were
able to bury her. There is a

786
00:55:54.800 --> 00:55:59.239
piece and there is a healing to
say she is safe, we know where

787
00:55:59.239 --> 00:56:01.280
she is. We'll get to meet
her again one day, right, And

788
00:56:01.360 --> 00:56:05.360
this is where I can come grieve
her because this is where a burial site

789
00:56:05.440 --> 00:56:09.079
is. Marlena hasn't been found.
If she had been thrown in the water,

790
00:56:09.840 --> 00:56:13.559
ninety five percent of me feels like
we would have recovered a body.

791
00:56:13.679 --> 00:56:19.880
Right. That is always very bizarre
to me when someone even capsizes a canoe

792
00:56:20.159 --> 00:56:22.840
or you know, there's two missing
kayakers right now in Arkansas that have been

793
00:56:22.840 --> 00:56:28.119
missing for twenty days or something.
Where are their bodies? Because all the

794
00:56:28.159 --> 00:56:30.920
bodies wash up on shore somewhere,
they get caught on a tree branch,

795
00:56:30.000 --> 00:56:35.039
boaters find them. Where is Marlena? So that, to me is that

796
00:56:35.119 --> 00:56:39.159
part of me that my stomach is
turning, just wondering how many people go

797
00:56:39.239 --> 00:56:44.119
to sleep every night missing this little
one and have no concept if she's safe,

798
00:56:44.119 --> 00:56:47.280
if she's hurting, if she's alive. And there's so many conflicting stories

799
00:56:47.280 --> 00:56:52.440
that it's pitifall. Did either of
you follow that case in the UK of

800
00:56:52.480 --> 00:56:58.320
this missing woman named Nicola bully.
I have not. I didn't follow it

801
00:56:58.400 --> 00:57:00.559
closely, but it was everywhere,
and so for media, yeah, I

802
00:57:00.639 --> 00:57:04.840
was like really interested in, like
what happened. They had all these experts

803
00:57:04.880 --> 00:57:07.599
because she was walking her dog.
She was on a work call, and

804
00:57:07.639 --> 00:57:10.599
they found her phone. She hadn't
closed out whatever chat app she was using,

805
00:57:12.039 --> 00:57:15.880
and her dog was there, the
leash was there as well, and

806
00:57:15.079 --> 00:57:19.760
she was just gone. They originally
had theorized that she fell into the water

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like right there, and so they
checked the water like a bazillion times.

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All these experts said, if she
was in that water, we would have

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found her. She wouldn't have floated
very far because of the landscape here,

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and all this time went by.
Eventually they kept searching and I think they

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found her a mile downstream, even
though all the experts said she couldn't have

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moved, and I don't think they
would have found her had they not been

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looking so carefully. But they were
like digging into her personal life and her

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partner and like suggesting that she was
like this disturbed woman because she was facing

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menopause, and like all these British
press, they could just eviscerate victims,

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but it just shows you that there
are situations where I think, had they

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not been looking like so thoroughly,
they had so many experts in that water,

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I don't think they necessarily would have
discovered her body. So there are

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cases where that happens. So I
do think there is a possibility that something

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like that could have happened. A
lot of people believe in Lauren Spiro's case,

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that her body was disposed of in
a river and like she was just

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never discovered, But that one,
I personally don't really know what I think

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happened. I think usually you do
find a body, but this is an

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infant, or not an infant,
this is a small child, so it

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would be harder to discover the body. Maybe only part of the story that

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she's telling is true about where she
disposed to the body, because maybe part

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of her really doesn't want the body
to be found. So if you're only

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telling a half truth and that's where
you're looking, then maybe you're not going

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to find her if it's a completely
different location. Yeah, I never thought

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about that, that she could be
telling the truth about having killed her but

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just lied about the location that she
disposed to her body because she wants to

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get it off her chest. But
she doesn't actually want to the fact of

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her daughter's body being found. Okay, so well brace yourselves, because I'm

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about to debunk this entire Memphis siting
we've been talking about, but I will

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hold off on doing so until our
next episode. That about brings an end

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to part one, but join us
next week as we present part two of

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our series on the disappearance of Marlina
Childress. Robin, do you want to

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tell us a little bit about the
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Trail Cold Patreon has been around for
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And incidentally, the very first episode
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