1 00:00:04,919 --> 00:00:10,320 This is Beer in Front, part of the Odd Pods Media Network and Beer 2 00:00:10,359 --> 00:00:15,439 Media Group. Sometimes the beer in front of you is the best one yet. 3 00:00:15,919 --> 00:00:21,280 I'll talk to people around the beer world and get their stories all about 4 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:31,879 beer. That's Beer in Front, and it's coming up now. Welcome to 5 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:38,399 episode two hundred and eleven of Beer in Front. I'm your host Dave Zalatorus, 6 00:00:38,719 --> 00:00:43,920 and Beer in Front is a proud odd Pods Media Network member and member 7 00:00:44,119 --> 00:00:49,359 of the Beer Media Group. On this episode, I'll talk to John Eggleton 8 00:00:49,799 --> 00:00:56,560 from Nition Beer. He has a great website and podcast devoted to the non 9 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:02,439 alcoholic beer scene. We had a good conversation over some beers from Go Brewing. 10 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:10,040 I'll also discuss the news that Lagnitas is closing at Chicago facility. All 11 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:17,640 this and much more coming up on Beer in Front. Before we get started, 12 00:01:18,359 --> 00:01:25,079 I think I need to apologize for the last two solo episodes. I 13 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:30,120 don't think they were up to my usual standard. The back surgery has done 14 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:34,079 a bigger number on me than I thought it would, and I should have 15 00:01:34,159 --> 00:01:38,799 just taken the time off instead of rushing to get an episode out. So 16 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:42,799 if you listened and you didn't think it was all that great. I agree 17 00:01:42,879 --> 00:01:48,560 with you, and I'm sorry. I'm not going to have an episode out 18 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:53,079 next week because one, I'm still waiting for the damn cicadas, and two 19 00:01:53,640 --> 00:02:07,239 it's my birthday on Thursday, so I'm taken next week off. In beer 20 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:12,400 and beverage news, I heard over on Rod Jay's show the other night that 21 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:19,319 the whole meal delivery company Hello Fresh, they're teaming up with a non alcoholic 22 00:02:19,439 --> 00:02:25,599 brewery named Kit to deliver a free can of their hazy ipa when you order 23 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:30,960 meal kits from them. The promo just ended, you know today, I'm 24 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:35,960 recording this Friday. It just ended and it was only available to Hello Fresh 25 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,919 customers in the Northeast. But that's a cool way to get your product out 26 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:50,560 there. Local stuff here. Talk about the cicadas. Noon Whistle Brewing if 27 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:55,400 you had this, God bless you. But they were serving up shots of 28 00:02:55,680 --> 00:03:05,319 Alort quick to cicada in the shot. No thank you. I'm gonna pass. 29 00:03:05,479 --> 00:03:13,400 I like malort, but I'm not drinking a shot cicada infused milort. 30 00:03:13,599 --> 00:03:19,400 But if you want to head over to Noon Wistol sad news out of the 31 00:03:19,479 --> 00:03:24,960 Chicago area, Lagaanita is announced on Thursday that they were going to close the 32 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:31,479 Chicago facility here, which is huge now they opened up about ten years ago. 33 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:38,039 They're gonna keep part of it open, is a warehouse, but the 34 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:44,520 brewery itself and the tap the tap rooms closed now, but the brewery itself 35 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:50,759 that's gonna move out to California by August first. They say it's gonna be 36 00:03:50,759 --> 00:03:53,800 about eighty six jobs lost here. Some people are gonna, you know, 37 00:03:53,879 --> 00:03:58,960 move over to Petaluma and you know, go out west. Some will be 38 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,520 able to work remote from what the articles I was reading, but yeah, 39 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,639 a little less than ninety people are going to be with out of a job 40 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:11,080 here. So that's pretty sad. It's just weird. You know. I 41 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:15,160 was talking to Rod Jay on his show yesterday. You know, God blessed 42 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:19,480 the people like you know, from lobbyitis. God blessed the people from Ballast 43 00:04:19,519 --> 00:04:26,199 Point that sold and made their money when they did. But a lot of 44 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:31,519 these places just got too big and not right. It's not cool. So 45 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:34,560 then yeah, actually, speaking of Ballast Point, that location I think is 46 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:40,319 still open in the West Loop. So there's a lot of brewery space open 47 00:04:40,399 --> 00:04:47,399 here in the Chicago area. Miller Lite and the Big Green Egg and come 48 00:04:47,439 --> 00:04:55,519 out with the Big Green Egg. Now this is just like the Big Green 49 00:04:55,639 --> 00:05:03,199 Egg barbecue cooker. It's a Komodo style cooker and it's highly insulated, but 50 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:10,240 this is designed to hold a quarter barrel of Miller Lite and it will keep 51 00:05:10,319 --> 00:05:15,240 it that perfect temperature. It looks really cool. One it's got the Miller 52 00:05:15,319 --> 00:05:19,360 Light handle on there and stuff. And two it costs three hundred and fifty 53 00:05:19,399 --> 00:05:25,519 bucks. But if you're interested, you could head over to Miller Lite's website. 54 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:30,079 Then you could purchase this starting the twenty eight and it'll be three hundred 55 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:36,120 and fifty dollars. And finally, the Open Gate Brewery from Guinness in Baltimore, 56 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:41,199 and hopefully they're going to do it here in Chicago. They're coming out 57 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:47,079 with Safe Space. This is a coulsh with pineapple and passion fruit. According 58 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:54,839 to the label, they stand alongside Baltimore Safe Haven in Chicago's Brave Space Alliance 59 00:05:55,199 --> 00:06:00,720 in their mission of creating safe spaces for the LGBTQ plus community. So hopefully 60 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:05,560 that you'll be here in Chicago as well, since they're partnering with a place 61 00:06:05,639 --> 00:06:09,959 here. But right now, the only thing I read about it it's going 62 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:13,399 to be at the Baltimore location. But that looks really cool, so if 63 00:06:13,439 --> 00:06:21,480 you see that, definitely check that out. Hey, welcome to the Last 64 00:06:21,519 --> 00:06:27,480 Comic Shot Podcast, a comic book podcast that actually talks about comics. Yep. 65 00:06:27,519 --> 00:06:30,439 Each week we open the shop book and read and discuss a comic. 66 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,240 Sometimes we pair that up with comic book movies or TV shows or not. 67 00:06:33,399 --> 00:06:39,079 Lots of times it's just comic books and sound effects. Oh yes, definitely 68 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:43,560 lots of sound effects. So check in all the major podcasts and platforms the 69 00:06:43,639 --> 00:06:47,120 Last Comic Shot Podcast, or check out our library of evergreen shows at www 70 00:06:47,199 --> 00:06:53,920 dot Last Comic Shot podcast dot com. All right, non alcoholic beer has 71 00:06:54,079 --> 00:06:58,560 really come a long way in the last five years or so. I've talked 72 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,920 before with and any breweries, but today he wanted to branch out and talk 73 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:08,079 more about the topic and where NA beers will fit in our future. Joining 74 00:07:08,079 --> 00:07:14,439 me today is John Eggleton. He's the founder of Nation Online or Nation Online, 75 00:07:14,879 --> 00:07:18,279 and is the host of the US of NA podcast. John, thank 76 00:07:18,319 --> 00:07:21,199 you so much for coming on, sir, Well, Danny, thanks for 77 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:25,600 having me. I'm looking forward to this, like we were emailing it back 78 00:07:25,639 --> 00:07:30,279 and forth and it seems like we're pretty similar where we both still enjoy a 79 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:35,800 regular beer, but like we don't pull pool any breweries, and we kind 80 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:41,279 of embraced him and what they offer to the beverage industry. What was it 81 00:07:41,319 --> 00:07:45,160 that got you into na beer? Yeah, so it was a couple of 82 00:07:45,199 --> 00:07:46,519 things. I mean, one, I'm in my I'm a guy in my 83 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:51,079 late forties and so not getting any younger. I've always been a runner my 84 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:55,399 whole life for most of my life, and so I've always felt like as 85 00:07:55,399 --> 00:07:58,839 long as I'm doing something active, then for the most part, on the 86 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,360 on the food and beat side, I felt like I could pretty much do 87 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:05,360 whatever I pleased or wanted. Obviously, when you get to a certain age, 88 00:08:05,399 --> 00:08:07,680 that's not always the case. And so I think, you know, 89 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:11,480 as I got into my deeper into my forties, that became a little more 90 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:16,199 of something that I was thinking about. And then I think the real catalyst 91 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,639 was in twenty twenty one, I went through a health of that where I 92 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:22,759 had three surgeries, you know, fortunately nothing life threatening or anything like that, 93 00:08:22,879 --> 00:08:28,199 but three surgeries from twenty twenty one through the end of twenty twenty two. 94 00:08:28,319 --> 00:08:33,039 And I would say that sort of officially recalibrated my definition of good health 95 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,840 and always been a beer drinker. I always enjoyed craft beer. I really 96 00:08:35,919 --> 00:08:39,480 enjoyed when craft beer took off, you know, twenty or so years ago 97 00:08:39,639 --> 00:08:45,440 and trying different things, and was excited to find out that that was starting 98 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,639 to exist in the non alcoholic world as well. What made you decide to 99 00:08:48,639 --> 00:08:54,759 start a podcast? Yeah, so the deeper I got into it, And 100 00:08:54,799 --> 00:08:58,440 again I mentioned a big fan of beer and Kraft Beer and have been for 101 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:03,399 a while. And I think just seeing some of the similarities and some of 102 00:09:03,399 --> 00:09:07,799 the parallels to where we are right now with NA where craft beer overall, 103 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:11,519 and I think of NA beer as a subset of that at least we're talking 104 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:15,399 about the craft beer Porsche, not necessarily the bud Zeros or the Core's Edges 105 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,759 or the macro beers like that. But if you think about it from the 106 00:09:18,799 --> 00:09:22,120 craft beer standpoint, But really just felt like there was a need to have 107 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,960 another outlet out there in the space. There's some great content creators and influencers 108 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:31,000 out there, and some of them have become good friends of mine, and 109 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:35,759 it's a great community, a terrific community. Wanted to start a digital content 110 00:09:35,799 --> 00:09:41,399 platform to really help spread the news and just share information about what ana beer 111 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:43,639 is about and maybe break down any stereotypes about it. I mean, to 112 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:48,399 me, a part of beer. It's a part of Kraft beer and beer 113 00:09:48,399 --> 00:09:54,279 culture, and people who enjoy a non alcoholic beer either still enjoy the taste 114 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:56,399 of a regular beer as well, or maybe they used to and don't for 115 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:01,279 various other reasons, and just felt like it was a great opportunity to explore. 116 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:07,559 Yeah, I know, it's hard to get someone to change that deep 117 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:13,840 mindset of no, this is not going to be good. It's just hard 118 00:10:13,879 --> 00:10:16,600 to get people away from that. I know. Even a couple of weeks 119 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:20,240 ago, I was at a beer festival here and Go was there and I 120 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,679 told my friend, I'm like, oh, we have to go you know, 121 00:10:22,799 --> 00:10:24,960 hamp this this is good stuff. And he just kind of looked at 122 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:28,639 me like I'm like, dude, trust me, it's good. You're gonna 123 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:30,960 like it, and you know, he had a sip and then he's like, 124 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:33,039 oh, yeah, this is pretty good. But I think that I 125 00:10:33,039 --> 00:10:39,000 don't know what that trigger is or what that block is in some people's heads, 126 00:10:39,039 --> 00:10:43,039 like this is just going to suck. This won't be good and once 127 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,840 they try the newer stuff and I think, you know, they agree and 128 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,120 they're hooked right. Well, the truth of the matter is it's a category 129 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:56,559 that was dominated by brands that maybe weren't as good. And not to throw 130 00:10:56,759 --> 00:10:58,039 you know, any brands under the bus, but you know, for many 131 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:03,440 years of duels, sharps were really the definition of the category. And I 132 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:05,159 think you know, people who are in the NA space now like to say, 133 00:11:05,159 --> 00:11:09,279 it's not your father's of duels. Yeah, and I think that's certainly 134 00:11:09,279 --> 00:11:11,679 the case, as you know, and you know, you've interviewed some of 135 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:15,600 the NA brewery owners themselves who have really gotten into it to talk about some 136 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,480 of the innovative new methods, et cetera. But there's certainly is still a 137 00:11:18,519 --> 00:11:22,879 stigma about that, and I hope that that will change, and you know, 138 00:11:22,879 --> 00:11:26,159 I would love to be a small part of helping that and helping people 139 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:30,799 discover non alcoholic beer because it really has changed significantly, and there's some great 140 00:11:30,799 --> 00:11:33,960 ones out there. Yeah, I know, I remember He've been, you 141 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:39,000 know, with those duels and when they had their amber that came out, 142 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:41,399 you know, some people were like, Oh, you're gonna like this, 143 00:11:41,399 --> 00:11:43,480 this is Amber, I'm like, no, this still sucks. This is 144 00:11:43,519 --> 00:11:48,000 still not that good. You know, I will drink water, you know, 145 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,759 colk or pepsi before, I would drink that if I wanted something without 146 00:11:52,759 --> 00:11:58,720 the flavor, without the alcohol. Right now, the macro producers, I 147 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,639 think getting there as well. I mean they see the opportunity, they see 148 00:12:01,639 --> 00:12:05,559 the dollar signs at least, and so you see some major investments happening. 149 00:12:05,639 --> 00:12:09,480 So I think we're starting to see some improvement and flavor there as well. 150 00:12:09,519 --> 00:12:13,600 I mean, our focus is more the craft beer side, but hopefully a 151 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,120 rising tide will lift all boats exactly. I know, like a lot of 152 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:20,320 people and I thought it was okay, but a lot of people seem to 153 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:26,440 this dry January at least really embraced the Guinness zero. So hopefully you know 154 00:12:26,519 --> 00:12:30,679 that, you know, triggers some people to branch out a little bit more. 155 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,039 Hey, I like this as a stout. I'll try something else. 156 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:37,120 Right, Well, that's a good beer again, a zero zero. They've 157 00:12:37,159 --> 00:12:39,200 done a really nice job with it. Yeah. Well, while we continue 158 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:43,039 talking, I'm going to crack open one from Go now. I've had Joe 159 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,960 on from Go Brewing a couple times, their local hero out of Naperville. 160 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:50,679 I really like their products a lot. I'm going to have there, not 161 00:12:52,159 --> 00:12:56,480 just another story double IPA. I think I had this on the show when 162 00:12:56,480 --> 00:13:01,080 I talk to Joe in August, and it's really good. Yeah, that's 163 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:05,120 a good one for sure. We've had that as well. And what I 164 00:13:05,279 --> 00:13:09,320 like about Go is you could pick it up here now, like it's available 165 00:13:09,879 --> 00:13:15,080 in one of our chain grocery stores. So you know, Naperville's a little 166 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:18,759 far from me. But the fact that now I could just go, you 167 00:13:18,759 --> 00:13:20,360 know, a mile down the road and pick it up at a grocery store. 168 00:13:22,039 --> 00:13:24,960 I could have more of this now right now. They've definitely picked up 169 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:28,279 their game. Yeah. I mean, looking at it, you would not 170 00:13:28,519 --> 00:13:33,279 know this as an NA beer. Maybe the carbonation bubbles are a little finer, 171 00:13:33,759 --> 00:13:37,159 I think, if you're really nitpicking, But I mean it looks great, 172 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:43,879 great head love the Hoperoma. I mean it's just a really solid beer. 173 00:13:45,879 --> 00:13:48,879 No, absolutely now, And I continuing the go theme, I've got 174 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:56,440 Go Sunshine State Tropical IPA. This has been a favorite of mine since I 175 00:13:56,480 --> 00:14:00,480 first discovered it sometime last year. Yeah, I figured since we were talking 176 00:14:00,519 --> 00:14:03,320 some Chicago beers, we could both be sipping on one ear. Yeah, 177 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:11,080 absolutely was there Like this how moment for you when you realize that any beers 178 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:16,399 are really good? You know, It's funny when I talked to other people 179 00:14:16,399 --> 00:14:20,600 who are into NA beer, I feel like the gateway drug, if you 180 00:14:20,639 --> 00:14:24,440 will, for all of us was Athletic, you know, that was. 181 00:14:24,519 --> 00:14:28,279 I can't remember how many times I picked up a six pack of Athletic in 182 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:31,879 a in a package store which is what we call the meer in Georgia, 183 00:14:31,759 --> 00:14:35,399 or a grocery store, and and maybe put it back on the shelf, 184 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:39,559 just couldn't quite pull the trigger on it. But once I did and tasted 185 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:41,279 it and went, wow, this I think it was the run wild IPA 186 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:46,080 was the very first one I had, and I took it first blood. 187 00:14:46,159 --> 00:14:48,200 Yeah, I think it's the first for a lot of people, and cracked 188 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:50,720 it open. Was like, wow, this this tastes just like a beer. 189 00:14:50,759 --> 00:14:54,960 It's really good. And you know, I like that it was in 190 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:56,879 a in a craft style an I p a. You know, it struck 191 00:14:56,919 --> 00:15:00,840 me that it wasn't just this is a non out h beer, which I 192 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,919 think is how the category was known previously. So I think it was some 193 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,759 time after that and then realizing I went into a total wine and more sometimes 194 00:15:07,799 --> 00:15:11,320 shortly after that, and you know, there was an entire I think at 195 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:16,200 that point it was maybe an entire column or shelf, which has now grown 196 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:20,360 to at least two since that time. So just seeing all the different brands 197 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:22,639 and options out there, it was it was a little bit mind blowing. 198 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:31,159 What are your opinions on Athletic because well, I think they're okay, Like, 199 00:15:33,159 --> 00:15:35,879 I'm not grabbing that's not my first you know, reach at the liquor 200 00:15:35,919 --> 00:15:39,679 store in the NA section. Sure, no, that's fair. I mean 201 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:46,039 I think I think the what they do, certainly through their their huge distribution 202 00:15:46,279 --> 00:15:50,519 arm is they get na in places that people may not otherwise be thinking about 203 00:15:50,519 --> 00:15:52,600 it. So like me back then, you know, sitting in a grocery 204 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:56,600 store or a liquor store and looking at regular beer, it was right there 205 00:15:56,639 --> 00:16:00,360 next to it. And it has a catchy name. I know. That's 206 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:02,799 one of the other things we wanted to talk about as well, is kind 207 00:16:02,799 --> 00:16:04,480 of the aspirational nature of it. It was sort of like Athletic, you 208 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:08,279 know, which is all about but from a flavored perspective. You know, 209 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:12,279 everybody I think has different opinions. I mean, I feel like they are 210 00:16:12,399 --> 00:16:17,480 solid. There are and to me it was a it was an entry way 211 00:16:17,559 --> 00:16:21,080 into finding other options. And I think, you know, like many Kraft 212 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:23,120 beer lovers, I love to find different things to drink. I don't just 213 00:16:23,159 --> 00:16:26,759 drink the same one over and over again. I you know, most people 214 00:16:26,799 --> 00:16:30,200 I think are that way. And so for me, it was just an 215 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:34,600 introduction into options and this world of non alcoholic beers and brands that's out there 216 00:16:34,679 --> 00:16:40,360 that you know is an opportunity. We were talking about the name and yeah, 217 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:45,200 companies like the Athletic you have momentum that we both spoke to lurs with 218 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:51,600 go. They all have this similar feel when like you have any beers from 219 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:56,879 Sierra Nevada now called Trail Pass. I mean, is that what they're going 220 00:16:56,879 --> 00:17:00,600 for? I know, like it did great for michelob Ultra promote this athletic 221 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:07,559 lifestyle. You could have this after a workout or run. Is that the 222 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:12,319 core market or is that what do you think? Is that what I'm I'm 223 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:18,279 drinking at a beer and I'm stump place. Is that the market that they're 224 00:17:18,279 --> 00:17:22,880 going for their core consumer? It's a great observation the aspirational nature of the 225 00:17:23,039 --> 00:17:26,720 of some of these names, and athletic is the most obvious of those, 226 00:17:26,759 --> 00:17:30,680 as you mentioned from the numbers that I've seen and you probably have as well, 227 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,759 I think athletic has been behind some of these. I mean, seventy 228 00:17:33,799 --> 00:17:37,920 to eighty percent of those who drink NA beer also drink regular alcohol at other 229 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:42,960 times. So I think the bigger ones like an athletic are really going after 230 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:48,880 that that broader market of people that would be in both categories potentially. I 231 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:52,440 do think that the health and wellness aspect is probably the biggest tent right now 232 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:56,319 for NA where you know, that's the that's the biggest play. It's the 233 00:17:56,359 --> 00:18:00,920 easiest messaging. You know, any beer doesn't have alcohol, you don't have 234 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:04,680 the negative benefits of putting ethanol into your body, whether for that night, 235 00:18:04,799 --> 00:18:08,359 that week, that month, or permanently, whatever your situation is or what 236 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:12,480 you're looking to do. So I think that's certainly the biggest one right now. 237 00:18:12,519 --> 00:18:15,799 But I do think others are emerging, and I you know, you 238 00:18:15,839 --> 00:18:21,480 see brands like mash Gang which is piloting there in Pilot Brewing in Chicago, 239 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,880 and I think they're really going after more of that beer culture, not really 240 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:29,240 the health and wellness angle to it per se, and so I think we're 241 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:33,279 starting to see more of those that are really having their own brand, and 242 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:37,240 truthfully, I think that's something that's still pretty badly needed in the NA space, 243 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:41,920 especially with the NA only breweries where they feel very national and you know, 244 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:45,079 having a little bit more of that personality to them, and so it's 245 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:48,559 been nice to see some of that starting to emerge. Yeah, it was 246 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:52,359 nice when I went Monday to Pilot Project to pick up something for our talks 247 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:56,960 here, it just seemed like very cool. It didn't seem unnatural that you 248 00:18:57,119 --> 00:19:02,480 had. If you're not familar with Pilot Project, they have four or five 249 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:07,440 different breweries there, and they're kind of like an incubator, so everybody brews 250 00:19:07,519 --> 00:19:11,000 there. They put it out on tap and in per sale, so you 251 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:17,200 had your regular beers, then you had a pickle beer, your NA beer, 252 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:22,640 and it was just all it seemed very organic and like it fit there. 253 00:19:22,079 --> 00:19:26,440 So I mean that I think was cool to see and hopefully you know 254 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:29,279 they're going to do well as well, they're going to do well. Yeah, 255 00:19:29,319 --> 00:19:30,200 No, it'd be great to see how that all plays out. I 256 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,799 mean, there, I know a lot of people are excited about their beer, 257 00:19:33,839 --> 00:19:37,759 and so yeah, we'll see where it goes. In your opinion, 258 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:41,359 like, where do you see the market, you know, shaking out in 259 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:45,480 the next say, five years. Is it going to be three to five 260 00:19:47,279 --> 00:19:51,279 national brands fighting it out or it's going to be like more of the craft 261 00:19:51,279 --> 00:19:55,160 beer scene where you know, people want to drink local and if they can 262 00:19:55,480 --> 00:20:00,000 get an ANA option at their favorite tap room, great. That's a great 263 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:03,759 question and my answer would be I think it'll be a little bit of both. 264 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:07,000 I think on the on the national brand side, the market is dominated 265 00:20:07,039 --> 00:20:11,319 by Athletic I mean, they have such a huge amount of market share. 266 00:20:11,319 --> 00:20:15,200 I've heard some different numbers, but you know they're there. They dominate the 267 00:20:15,319 --> 00:20:18,640 craft beer in a space for sure. I do think because consumers want that 268 00:20:18,759 --> 00:20:22,480 choice that you mentioned, whether it's local or regional, or just want to 269 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:27,119 have different options, I think we'll naturally see some other national players emerge. 270 00:20:29,279 --> 00:20:32,000 You know how many of those there will be. I think right now there's 271 00:20:32,039 --> 00:20:34,319 a lot of different ANA only breweries. A lot of them are on the 272 00:20:34,319 --> 00:20:37,519 smaller side, a lot of them make some great beer, so we want 273 00:20:37,519 --> 00:20:40,960 to see all of them succeed but I do think they'll be a little bit 274 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:45,160 of consolidation at some point, and I think there'll be a few others that'll 275 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,039 be on the big stage there with Athletic, whether they anybody's able to run 276 00:20:48,079 --> 00:20:51,759 them down in terms of market share, you know, they have such a 277 00:20:51,799 --> 00:20:55,039 head start, and I think there's also a big question of what they end 278 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,119 up doing in the future. Do they you know, do they sell to 279 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:00,400 a to one of the big macro player, do they go public? I 280 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,279 mean, who knows what their long term plans would be. I think that 281 00:21:03,319 --> 00:21:07,559 would also play a role and how things go in terms of next steps. 282 00:21:07,559 --> 00:21:11,000 But I think that'll happen on the national side. But I truly hope that 283 00:21:11,279 --> 00:21:15,359 the local regional breweries continue to get into it. I mean, I really 284 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:19,240 feel like that's where the culture of beer and the culture of craft beer really 285 00:21:19,559 --> 00:21:22,400 is the strongest. And you know, people want to go down to their 286 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:26,039 local brewery and they want to have an NA there. They don't want to 287 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:29,799 and I know, you know, I know people who will sneak an NA 288 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:33,279 into their local brewery to meet up with friends, and they feel bad about 289 00:21:33,279 --> 00:21:36,720 it. They don't want to do that. They don't want to take anything 290 00:21:36,759 --> 00:21:40,359 away from their local brewery, but since most of them at least to this 291 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,559 point, have not been able to produce an NA and there's good reasons for 292 00:21:42,599 --> 00:21:47,160 that. It's a commitment for sure, and a lot of different levels. 293 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,799 But I truly think we will see over the next three to five years a 294 00:21:49,839 --> 00:21:53,759 lot more of the local regional breweries right here in Atlanta. As a matter 295 00:21:53,759 --> 00:21:57,640 of fact, I'll give a shout out to a Wild Heaven Beer. They've 296 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:03,000 launched a near that came out in January, and I know they're planning on 297 00:22:03,079 --> 00:22:07,079 launching a portfolio of Nabeer's as well, so I think that'll be part of 298 00:22:07,079 --> 00:22:10,880 the experience, and I think hopefully that'll compliment some more players really coming on 299 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:14,559 the national scene. I was just actually, right before we logged on here, 300 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:19,039 I was reading an article I'm Brewbound with somebody over from Sierra Nevada and 301 00:22:19,039 --> 00:22:23,440 they were talking about the Trail Pass line and their line of hop waters and 302 00:22:25,039 --> 00:22:30,000 they're doing extremely well. So that's good, and it's weird, like you 303 00:22:30,039 --> 00:22:36,920 know, Athletic with its own separate entity, but then you see a craft 304 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:41,039 brand like Sierra Nevada, which you know, I think people will try that 305 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:45,759 based on the name, like, oh, I know Sierra Nevada, they 306 00:22:45,799 --> 00:22:51,319 have a name for quality that I'll give this a try. So, you 307 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:56,119 know, I just wonder, is there going to be more craft brands that 308 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:57,680 you know, come up with There any lines that are going to do well 309 00:22:57,759 --> 00:23:02,519 or is it going to be a separate thing like a goal or an athletic 310 00:23:02,759 --> 00:23:07,559 or momentum that's going to lead the way. But hopefully they all will fit 311 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:12,039 in right now, you're you're absolutely right. I mean, to Shoots is 312 00:23:12,039 --> 00:23:18,039 another one that's making a big push. They're black Butte the Porter and now 313 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:22,240 more recently have released an Ana version of their fresh Squeezed ipa, which I 314 00:23:22,279 --> 00:23:25,680 am anxiously awaiting for that to make its way to Georgia. I've not seen 315 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,400 it as of yet, so I think you're right. I mean, those 316 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:33,799 are craft bigger craft brewers that have the resources to be able to invest in 317 00:23:33,799 --> 00:23:36,160 the category, and I think they see the opportunity. I know, with 318 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:40,000 to Shoots, they're planning on having NAB a national launch, I believe, 319 00:23:40,519 --> 00:23:44,880 and trail Pass has very quickly gone from a new brand less than a year 320 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:49,000 ago to they're pretty much in every grocery store package store or even n a 321 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:52,039 store that we go into. So they've been able to get some great distribution 322 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:56,880 and again they're hopefully pulling in some new folks to the category, much like 323 00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:00,200 Athletic has played that role the last few years. Yeah, I know, 324 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,240 I just read a couple of weeks ago Sierra is going to expand the trail 325 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,880 Pass line. They're going to have like two more in a variety pack, 326 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,759 which is cool right now, that's exciting. You know. We talked to 327 00:24:10,839 --> 00:24:15,640 Lars over at Momentum and he was mentioning that they'd be willing to work with 328 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,599 different breweries. And the way he was describing it on your show and I 329 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,839 listened to it the other day, was you know, it didn't sound like 330 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:29,119 it would cost that much. It would be cost prohibitive for a local brewery 331 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,839 to come up with an NA thing. I mean, in my opinion, 332 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:34,920 I think that would be perfect. You can go to the brewery that you 333 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:40,440 want to go to. You support local. It's not you know, the 334 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,240 local brewery. I mean, it's a business. You have to make money. 335 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,759 And if they're going to have to come up with a lot of money 336 00:24:45,759 --> 00:24:49,160 for all this equipment, I think that would be cost prohibitive for a small, 337 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,079 mom and pop brewery. But if this is something that could be done 338 00:24:52,559 --> 00:24:56,680 economically, you know, I don't. I think it would be great if 339 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:02,039 you could go to your local brewery and maybe you know, they'll have in 340 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,759 any version of one of their popular beers and you could rotate it, like, 341 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,400 you know, springtime, you could have a payo ale summer, you 342 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:12,240 know, maybe a half of ys in winter, a porter or a stout 343 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:17,440 and just keep rotating that. Then, you know, I personally think that 344 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,039 would be great. You would give more people in the tap room too, 345 00:25:21,319 --> 00:25:23,720 right for sure. Now, that was a really interesting comment that Lars made 346 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:29,279 about potentially partnering with the local breweries, and to my understanding, what he 347 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,559 was referring to is sharing recipe, you know, sharing the recipe with them 348 00:25:32,599 --> 00:25:36,519 through a partnership to enable them to make it locally and be able to give 349 00:25:36,559 --> 00:25:40,200 them guidance. I mean, even though most local brewers are experienced at what 350 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:44,519 they do, that brewing na is can be a whole different thing at least 351 00:25:44,519 --> 00:25:47,880 in terms of process and some of the new yeasts that are out there. 352 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,319 So I think that could be very powerful and it could be a way to 353 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:56,039 extend brands, for brands like Lars's momentum, and certainly it would be very 354 00:25:56,039 --> 00:26:00,519 helpful to the local breweries to be able to offer that and do it in 355 00:26:00,519 --> 00:26:03,640 a cost effective way for sure. So hopefully that we'll see more of that, 356 00:26:03,839 --> 00:26:07,599 and we'd love to explore that further. Maybe we'll get Lars together in 357 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,240 the three of us ten have a we could do an episode on that. 358 00:26:10,599 --> 00:26:14,000 Absolutely, yeah, you know, because when you're going to go to Go 359 00:26:14,279 --> 00:26:18,799 next month. When we were emailing, you're going to be impressed when you 360 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,119 do the tour. I was there in December and did the tour with Joe 361 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,680 and just like the amount of equipment that they have just I mean, they're 362 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,160 so meticulous, which you have to be coming up with in any product, 363 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,519 you can't you know, slip in a one percent or something like that. 364 00:26:33,599 --> 00:26:38,000 There's rigid standard. So if something like well you know what Lars was mentioning, 365 00:26:38,039 --> 00:26:42,440 where a brewery can make it any beer without having to invest in all 366 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,839 of this expensive equipment, that's going to be great for you know, your 367 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:51,839 local mom and pop craft brewery for sure. I know, and we're definitely 368 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,519 excited about our visit up to Go. I mean, I think the way 369 00:26:55,559 --> 00:26:59,640 that they've built built their brewery and the way that they've grown is a little 370 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,240 bit some or to athletic in the sense that they have a you know, 371 00:27:02,279 --> 00:27:04,920 had a dedicated brewer from the very beginning, invested in all of their own 372 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,480 equipment. I think it was very unique what they did with the tap room, 373 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,319 and I liked one of the things they did early was and I think 374 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:15,119 they still do this. I'll be there next month, but I believe they 375 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,960 still have regular alcoholic beers that are on part of the rotating guest taps, 376 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,680 which I thought was really fun. I mean, you sometimes think about NA 377 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,839 being relegated to the kiddie table, so it sort of puts the NA front 378 00:27:26,839 --> 00:27:30,720 and center and the full alcohol beer is the reverse, which is a little 379 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,519 bit of a flip. But now I think what they're doing is great, 380 00:27:34,559 --> 00:27:41,039 and I think as brands like them continue to grow and clearly go as growing 381 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:45,799 very quickly, there could be some opportunities for partnerships with the local side, 382 00:27:45,839 --> 00:27:49,400 and you know, again Rising Tide hopefully can lift all boats exactly. Well. 383 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:53,960 I love what you did with the website. It's yeah, reviews on 384 00:27:55,160 --> 00:28:00,920 there. Anything you want to know about the industry non alcoholic beer. You 385 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:06,160 could find it there and it's nationbeer dot com. I'll include the link in 386 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,599 the show notes. But I really love the design and everything that you did 387 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,240 with the website. Well, thank you. I appreciate that, you know, 388 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:17,519 And if you ever need a guy to help you with some reviews like 389 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:22,599 Chicago, I know a guy that could help. Well, that sounds great. 390 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:27,119 Now, we've never envisioned Nation Beer to just be me. We've been 391 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,920 visioning it as a digital content platform, so hopefully want to have some additional 392 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,799 voices. I may be taking you up on that at some point, absolutely, 393 00:28:33,839 --> 00:28:38,920 I'm here. Do you see expanding Nation Beer to other type of any 394 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:45,680 products besides beer, like mocktails or hopwater, even you know, CBD and 395 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:51,680 THC beverages here seemed to be taking off at a faster rate than any beers. 396 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:56,119 Do you see Nation Beer expanding That's a great question, and it is 397 00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:00,240 something that we thought about, you know, I think in terms of though 398 00:29:00,279 --> 00:29:04,559 we don't necessarily think of ourselves as a content creator or an influencer per se, 399 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:10,359 we see ourselves as more of a platform. There are some similarities there, 400 00:29:10,359 --> 00:29:14,759 and there happen to be some great influencers and content producers already, and 401 00:29:14,839 --> 00:29:18,880 the mocktail and the alcohol free spirit space. There's some great ones in the 402 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,240 wine space. I decided to start with beer just because it was what I 403 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,640 felt I knew the best and what I was closest to and most passionate about. 404 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,920 You know, could there be an opportunity to expand into those other categories. 405 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,359 I think that's certainly possible, you know, once we get a little 406 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:34,960 further down the road, hopefully on the on the beer side of things. 407 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:41,839 I do think to your point the THC that would be likely an earlier expansion 408 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,920 into that category looking at those as some of those have really taken out. 409 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,680 That's something that we've been curious and interested in, and I think too maybe 410 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:53,400 even the low alcohol space. So we've done some stories on the you know, 411 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,240 the little beer side, and we did a full podcast episode about that 412 00:29:57,359 --> 00:30:02,119 where there's a lot of these little beer festivals that are focused on pilsners and 413 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:06,359 laggers and lower gravity beers, and we're hearing about you know, we're seeing 414 00:30:06,359 --> 00:30:08,759 more of that in the craft beers where it's more maybe three and a half 415 00:30:08,759 --> 00:30:12,680 percent instead of the you know, five six seven percent stuff that are used 416 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,839 to, so I think that could be a whole other angle to it as 417 00:30:15,839 --> 00:30:21,000 well as that part hopefully takes off at some point. Well, if you 418 00:30:21,079 --> 00:30:26,920 need to know anything about the non alcoholic beer seeing, check out nationbeer dot 419 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,559 com real quick before I let you go. You know, I'm going through 420 00:30:30,599 --> 00:30:34,680 your site looking at it. We both really like the Speedway Stout, the 421 00:30:34,759 --> 00:30:42,079 non alcoholic from Alesmith. What has been your favorite any beer so far that 422 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,599 you know, maybe if somebody sees it in their shells they'll pick it up. 423 00:30:47,599 --> 00:30:51,759 Wow, such a loaded question. Yeah, I now, I definitely 424 00:30:51,839 --> 00:30:56,400 like the Speedway Stout and and that one, you know, And I almost 425 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,960 feel ashamed to admit this as a beer person, but I don't always love 426 00:31:00,039 --> 00:31:03,000 of all the darker beers quite as much, and that was one that just 427 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:07,680 blew me away. It's a great flavor, very flavorful, and the coffee 428 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,079 flavors in that as well, So that would certainly be on the list I 429 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,279 mentioned before. Sunshine State, which I have opened in front of me from 430 00:31:14,359 --> 00:31:17,960 go there in Chicago, is definitely one of my favorites, and I think 431 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:22,680 a lot of what they do is excellent, you know. In other words, 432 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,480 the other beers I think are really more situational for me. There are 433 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,640 some beers that I like to crack open maybe after a run. You know, 434 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:32,680 that's become a bit of a tradition for me since I've gotten into Na's 435 00:31:32,839 --> 00:31:37,519 is to open up some of those. So I'll open up a partake hazy 436 00:31:37,559 --> 00:31:40,400 ipa. It's on the lighter side and I kind of like that at that 437 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,799 point, So that's something that I'll drink then. And you know, going 438 00:31:42,839 --> 00:31:48,000 back to the local nas, there's that local one I mentioned. Wild Heaven 439 00:31:48,039 --> 00:31:51,039 for me is one of my favorites, and it may be a little biased 440 00:31:51,119 --> 00:31:55,279 since it's also they're also a neighbor of mine. Practically they are a couple 441 00:31:55,359 --> 00:31:59,720 miles down the road. But it's a very flavorful, very juicy ipa. 442 00:32:00,119 --> 00:32:04,640 And just having one of those, they have them undraft usually and just drinking 443 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,920 one of those on their patio with the sunshining is about the greatest thing ever. 444 00:32:08,039 --> 00:32:10,519 So I have to I'd have to put that one on the list, 445 00:32:10,519 --> 00:32:14,440 say all right, well, I'll have to include that and the show the 446 00:32:14,559 --> 00:32:16,200 link in the show notes, So if you're in the Atlanta area, you 447 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:20,160 have to go check that out. Well, John, thank you so much. 448 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,799 Again. I really appreciate your knowledge talking about the non alcoholic beer scene. 449 00:32:24,119 --> 00:32:29,119 Once again, check out nationbeard dot com. I think you're going to 450 00:32:29,279 --> 00:32:31,519 enjoy it and all the information that you can get there. John, Well, 451 00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:36,720 i'll talk to you in a couple minutes, sir, Well, thanks 452 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,400 for having me. This has been a lot of fun. Yeah. So, 453 00:32:38,559 --> 00:32:43,079 and also you know, we'll put this out probably close thround the same 454 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,839 time. But I'm going to jump on the us NA podcast and we're going 455 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:52,559 to talk a little bit more about the Chicago area and the non alcoholics scene 456 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,400 here. So make sure you check out the us of NA. John, 457 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,200 I'll talk to you in a couple minutes. All right, it sounds great, 458 00:33:05,759 --> 00:33:07,880 all right. The beer that's in front of me, now, I 459 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:09,319 talked about it when I was talking to John, but I wanted to do 460 00:33:09,359 --> 00:33:15,680 a little more in depth review of from Go Brewing. This is not just 461 00:33:15,799 --> 00:33:22,119 another story double ipa. I've had this before. It's a great beer, 462 00:33:22,759 --> 00:33:25,599 not just a great and a beer. It's just a great beer. So 463 00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:30,559 pick it up and put it in the cart. Twelve ounce. Can they 464 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:35,640 use Simco Mosaic and Citra hops on here. Let's bust this one open. 465 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:44,960 Really good color here, nice amber color, good foam on this. As 466 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,680 I was pouring, the aroma hit me right up front. I don't even 467 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:53,160 need to put my nose to this. It smells really good. Yeah, 468 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:58,039 you get all of those hops that hit you right up front. It smells 469 00:33:58,079 --> 00:34:04,519 fantastic, really has a good flavor here. I like all of the hop 470 00:34:04,599 --> 00:34:07,839 notes that I get from this. The malt notes are there. You get 471 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:12,159 a little sweetness. I mean you're thinking to yourself, it's a double ipa, 472 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,960 but it's na. But trust me, pick it up, put it 473 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:20,119 in the cart. It's that good. See, I'm liking this a little 474 00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:23,719 better now. We had a new refrigerator last week, and I think it's 475 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,639 a little too cold right now. So the one that I had when I 476 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:31,320 was talking with John was really cold, and this one i'd let's sit out 477 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:35,519 for a little bit before I opened it up. And I'm getting more of 478 00:34:35,559 --> 00:34:39,840 the flavors with this now. So I'm really digging this beer. That's usually 479 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:44,599 the one I pick up when I see it like here. They're available with 480 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,840 Mariano's now, so you could just run to your grocery store and pick it 481 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,960 up. You don't have to run to Naperville or go to a liquor store 482 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,800 like Bennie's. Marianos carries this. This was the only one I saw. 483 00:34:55,840 --> 00:35:00,800 I wish there would be more of a variety, but I'm not gonna argue 484 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:05,280 with not just another story. So if you're looking for a good Ana beer, 485 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,400 you want to get something from Illinois, pick up anything, pick up 486 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:14,519 really anything from Go Brewing, but not just another story. Double ip as 487 00:35:14,559 --> 00:35:29,320 a winner. Put it in the carts. All right. That's gonna wrap 488 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:34,320 things up for this edition of Beer in Front. I thank you very much 489 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:38,639 for listening, and I want to thank again John Eggleton over at Nation Beer 490 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:44,599 for chatting. That was a fun time. Check out his website and podcast 491 00:35:45,079 --> 00:35:47,800 once again. I'm taking this week off so I will see you the first 492 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:53,679 Monday in June. Have a great holiday weekend, and hopefully the cicados will 493 00:35:53,679 --> 00:35:59,880 be out by then so I could hear I'm disappointed. I'm waiting for the 494 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,760 and ham of the ethen cicadas. So I have a great week everyone. 495 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:07,559 I will see you later, and remember sometimes the beer in front of you 496 00:36:08,039 --> 00:36:15,320 is the best one yet. M