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We're joined today by the executive editor
of the Common Sense Society, Christopher

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Bedford, who did not cut me
off on two sixty seven yesterday. I

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was actually shocked to learn because someone
in his exact car did. Somebody was

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style and grace. I was thinking
long and hard about this, and I

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was I actually think the people who
buy these money pit death traps are just

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animals. So if anybody in a
car like yours is going to drive like

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asio the nuclear war in my nineteen
ninety four land Cruisers, the light trap

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as long as it starts now yesterday
I would have cut you off, but

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the land cruiser started, delivered me, my lovely wife, my seven year

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old to parentucher compasses of seven twenty
five through the dangers of rush hour traffic,

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held on just strong. It knew
I'd been ignoring that check engine light

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for three months because it's hard to
find a mechanic who cares about your ninety

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four land Cruiser. And it started
again, and it got me on my

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road, It got Sarah on her
way, and it waited to a very

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scenic, beautiful resting place on the
GW Parkland in the left lane, going

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like twenty miles over the speed linit
before it decided to not send any more

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gasoline to the engine. Yeah,
every time I hear about your car,

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it's something like this. You're confusing
it with the Range Rover. No,

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I'm really not the Range Rover.
The Range River dies unless you tickle it

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funny, the old Range River because
of British socialism. It's not a whole

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other subject. But yeah, the
land Cruiser. I mean there are members

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of the Taliban who've taken their land
Cruisers in the combat, who've had a

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little less trouble than I have with
mine. Yeah, and they love that

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car because it's reliable. Speaking of
which, did you see that Osama bin

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Laden's infamous letter to America justifying terrorism
is going viral with the youths on the

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TikTok I see it behind you on
Fox Business, and I got a message

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that was actually kind of weird.
I've been in the weeds all day,

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like I haven't stopped running in the
salt mines. Yeah, it's more frantic

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than the salt minds. I can't
see in front of myself. And I

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got a message from a colleague saying, if I wonder if I've seen this,

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what is it? Well, it's
exactly what it sounds like. There

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are I actually watched a video compilation, and you know, with TikTok,

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you actually never know, and this
is true of social media in general.

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You never know how organically viral something
is. And you actually really have a

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hard time quantifying how viral something is
because whatever number of hashtags or whatever number

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of times the phrase has been used, you don't know what the content is.

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You don't know if it goes viral
because people start piling on and saying,

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wow, this is so crazy,
like stop doing this, or if

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it's just genuinely a ton of people
saying, oh my gosh, you got

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to read this letter, it's amazing. In the compilation I watched, it

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was at least I don't know,
it was getting close to a dozen young

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women in particular, No, not
entirely, and young men, some young

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men, but there were a lot
of young women saying, I'd never read

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this letter to America before, and
it's totally changed the way that I see

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the world. And again on TikTok, of course, is where we've seen

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staggering levels of support for the whether
you say, the civilians of Gaza versus

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Hamas. A lot of anti Israel
sentiment, way more anti Israel sentiment on

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TikTok than it probably real sentiment,
and that seems to be trickling into opinion

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polling as well. People in that
youngest demo seem to be much more anti

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Israel than pro Israel. So you
actually this is perfect? Do you actually

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have an opad? Didn't you?
You just published on this in foxnews dot

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com. I did tell us what
you were because it was about campuses.

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Yeah, it's about campuses. It
says that this campus revolt we're seeing is

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not some kind of shift or some
kind of change or some kind of thing

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that's a foreign to college campuses,
is essentially flowers blooming on college campuses.

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These are the plants that the seeds
that have been planted by these professors,

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and TikTok is definitely doing this.
TikTok is definitely pushing this, but they're

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just that's just like fertilizer and a
little watering on already. Right. I

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agree. The and I'm looking at
these college universities were one or five weeks

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after this massacre, mass rape,
mass murder, mass child execution, mass

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baby baking, mass insanity, and
the colleges are trying to figure out how

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to appease their donors and deal with
this like the obvious fruits of their harvest

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that's coming out in their campuses.
So they're doing these things like we're going

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to do community outreach, we're going
to partner, we're gonna hold Schabat dinners,

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we're going to have we're going to
punish things. But you can't,

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you're not. The point of the
piece is you're not going to be able

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to constrain this anti Israel hatred unless
you get rid of the departments that are

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sewing it. And none of them
want to do that. I mean,

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Harvard came out with their anti Semitism
program, Mit says, well, they

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can't deport the the Unamerican hamas sympathizers
because or they can't expel them, otherwise

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they might be deported from the country. You know how horrible that would be.

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And over one hundred Harvard University professors
signed a letter and faculty signed a

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letter saying that Harvard was stifling their
free speech by saying they couldn't be pro

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Hamas. So these university professors,
it's not going to work. In order

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to actually tackle the problem here,
which is this very simple minded, very

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stupid victim of pressor model of looking
at things, they have to get rid

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of the departments to focus on race, the black studies departments, the Arab

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studies departments, the Hispanic studies departments
that they have to get rid of,

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the gender studies departments. They have
to get rid of the diversity equity inclusion,

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they have to get rid of the
CRT, the critical race theory that

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is where this comes from. And
it like Israel, is just in a

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foreign place, and it's easy for
people to have really strong opinions about it

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because they don't know anyone who's being
killed on college campuses. But it is

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the exact same mindset that they can
apply to history, the same mindset they

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apply to Oh, look this guy
who's a felon who's trying to kidnap his

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children from his screaming wife and charges
a police officer with a knife, gets

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shot. He is a victim.
Why disregard all facts? He is black,

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capital B that guy's a police officer. Doesn't matter if he's black.

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He's a police officer. And it's
a very simplistic and very stupid mindset that

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allows these children who are barely old
enough to shave, to lecture you on

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the morality of why it's okay to
kill children because you're oppressed. Who lecture

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you on this high minded self righteousness, that this faux intellectualism that powers these

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absolute morons who cannot tell the difference
between right and wrong anymore because of this

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framework. And the college president going
in to a Shabbad dinner or however you

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say it, or like partnering with
Jewish groups on campus is not going to

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fix that if you have professors who
preach hate. I mean, was it

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the professor the associate professor who's let
go from Cornell? The Freebeacon did a

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die. But that guy's got ten
years of saying things like we need an

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insurgency in the United States to wipe
out Christianity. Well, I mean it's

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kind of actually offensive, but I'm
glad it's happening. But like, oh

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he said something bad about Israel,
we should fire him, right, It's

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like, yeah, well he's been
saying awful things for a decade. These

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people are cancer, right, and
they're spreading cancer to children and listen.

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I'm glad that there's some like it
was some first survive I think it was

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UCLA with a head. Over two
hundred faculties signed a letter saying we need

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to do something about this campus anti
semitism. But it's not just anti semitism,

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it's just this dumb victim of presser
framework that they have. And what

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mean, I think I genuinely in
Harsani would probably disagree with me on this,

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but I genuinely think that anti Semitism
is sometimes used in an overly broad

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way as a sort of political weather
cudgel. Yes, there are people who

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say the same thing that Jews in
Israel, sort of leftist Jews in Israel

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will say that in the United States
are called anti Semitic, and again,

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you know some of them actually really
are. Do I think there's a chance

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for Shida Talib is an anti semi? Yeah, I think there's a pretty

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good chance that Rashida Talib is an
anti semi. But I actually think this

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is it's in a way deeper and
more complex, because it's the seeds of

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self hatred as an American, of
the oppressor oppressor lens that a lot of

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people have, I think, really
accurately come up with. And that's where

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this bin Laden letter is flourishing,
because if you read it, that's exactly

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what he's doing. He's saying,
basically, well, first of all,

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it's as you know, if this
is gen Z's definition of homophobia, if

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we're to apply their definition of homophobia
to what is in this bin Laden letter

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or anti semitism. I mean,
there's a very real, legitimate racist anti

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semitism and the bin Laden Letter,
which will surprise absolutely no one. But

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it's also interesting to me that you
have a lot of Zoomer saying this letter

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is eye opening because it's your standard
Chomsky's zin outlook on American history. The

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first time you know you read Howard
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he is literally criticizing the US.
This is from two thousand and two,

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and as this is rolling Stone,
this is how they put it.

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He takes the US to task for
not signing the Keyoto Protocol treaty and restricting

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a mission of greenhouse gases. He
also then talks about drugs. It's like

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your typical, like freshman leftist take
on spread. America has laws against drugs,

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but it is like the biggest exporter. Just read Killing Hope and now

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I'm a genius. It's basically that. It's basically that. So it's somewhat

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fascinating. I don't know. I
mean, obviously I remember talking like two

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years ago and saying China could invade
Taiwan tomorrow and they would just be tweaking

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the algorithm on TikTok in ways we
would not even know, and suddenly the

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kids of America would have a completely
different false they'd be living in a totally

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false bubble, and it just is
thanks to TikTok. But I actually think

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that there's a likelihood that's exactly what's
happening here, that this isn't organic,

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that there isn't just suddenly probe and
Latin sentiments by TikTok and turn them on

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to uncle ted and away from that
dog a little. Yeah, don't compare

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be lost? Well, I mean, actually there's a great embarrassing between Tekisinskan

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and Issomi Lam. But that said, yeah, well the justification of terrorism

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on these sort of anti decadent grounds. But that said, I genuinely think

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it's sad that we don't know the
difference between whether this is organic sentiment or

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if it's being tweaked by China.
Because obviously, of course I have this

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finger on every aspect of that.
But there are real Americans. I don't

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know how many of them I are. I think we're overestimating that I'm Americans.

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But why does it catch Fox businesses
I and your eye daily No,

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I think you're right. I'm just
saying that there are legitimately people who are

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making this argument. The algorithms of
Instagram feeds me some weird stuff, but

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not that there's probably a lot of
cat content, but the fact disturbing amount

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of cat content. But it's what
you're saying. What you're saying is true

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though, that when you are given
this extremely simplistic lens through which to see

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the US. And I actually think
that's a problem with Like, we've learned

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a lot more about the Cold War
actually just in the last ten years,

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the last twenty years. That's a
is not taught in history classes. And

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I'm sure the left would love that
some of it is taught in history classes.

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But we have buildings in DC named
after Jaegar Hoover and Alan Dallas,

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and actually a lot of the anti
American sentiment in places like the Middle East,

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like actually a lot of that comes
from some really bad decisions that we

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made throughout the course of the Cold
War. We don't teach any of it.

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And so then when you have Chomsky
sweeping in or you have some of

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these leftist historians sweeping in and being
like but actually the CIA created, yes,

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that's It's why it's powerful is because
we don't teach any of the full

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context of the fact that, for
example, communism was a nuclear threat and

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Joe McCarthy was an incredibly flawed person, but man, was he onto something.

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Yeah, you're on something. He
was. He was largely correct.

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You just didn't have precision. That's
that's for your next book, McCarthy Colon

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largely correct, lacked precision. Buckley
second book, mccarthyen His Enemy, is

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co written with Brent Bozell. Can
we talk about that though, because I

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actually, as you were talking earlier
about your op ed, I wanted to

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ask you because you've studied Buckley for
a while. The gott a Man at

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Yale is one of the books that
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concept of fusionism starts stemming from the
fight against communism. The sharing statement is

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explicitly is a screed against intellectual freedom. Well yes' academic freedom, not intellectual

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freedom, which is fascinating in the
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so pro free speech, because the
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And these two things are not mutually
they're only free space because we're not

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in charge. I don't think I
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mutually exclusive. I do think there
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free speech absolutism that is sprouted on
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censorship. But to your point,
Chris, this kind of fight against anti

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westernism, which is what everybody saw
in communism, that has has become cultural

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Marxism and has has bloomed, as
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that is in some ways inherent,
that is someways baked into the cake

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of the right for the last at
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mean I'm against it's fundamental stuff.
Basically, the problem with academic freedom and

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the Buckley targets, and I think
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a way that allows, like professors
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be teaching people the Western canon,
but Western civilization, about God, family,

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and country, about the things that
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They're teaching about tearing things down.
They're teaching garbage. They're teaching lies

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about sex, they're teaching lies about
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guise of academic freedom. And if
I was in charge of Yale, they

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would all be fired. If you
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think that happening. Where do you
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these Students for Justice and Palistine chapters
that the National SPJ so called toolkit,

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when the should they receive university funding? So the original should we disbanded?

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Well? So okay, so that's
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really less motivated by. Like this. I'm not going to go around dispanding

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chapters of things because they're anti Israel. I don't really care if you're anti

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Israel or pro Israel. I would
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What would you do? They're like
pro Palestinian authority. You know, it's

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like, all right, that's obnoxious. But seeing pro Hamas is a problem.

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We've already talked about you being in
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in charge of a state, and
even more chilling hypothetical, but say that

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Chris Bedford is the governor of a
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King of Massachusetts, the sort of
hub of global academia. What do you

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do to take care of all the
problems you just outlined about how people are

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teaching. You said, we should
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that. What canon should be done
swap out the boards of trustees of all

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the state universities, starting with the
UMass Amherst. Swap out the president and

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you can do that. I mean
Mitt Romney when he was governor of Massachusetts,

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fired Whitey Bulger's brother, former Speaker
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who was president of U MASSI He's
like, get out of here. That

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sounds like a bad move. At
that point, Whitey was like, I

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thought he was dead, but it
turned out he was just like living in

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a motel in California with this slam
piece. It was confident he was that

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they'd killed him. Connolly had killed
him. But you could do that.

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Wipe out the boards of the trust
or not the trustees, wipe out the

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boards that oversee the universities, and
change the presidents and put in people who

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are going to do this, and
then put money aside in the budget,

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which he wouldn't be able to do. If you're going to see a king

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of Massachusetts to start buying out all
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go to refuse or if they won't, be bought out, and put them

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on research duty and get them out
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good professors who will be able to
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And then I don't know how Massachusetts
taxes the endowments of Harvard. I mean,

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dare them to move some coming for
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would do that. Stop. I
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to these universities that do bring it
a lot of esteem and some very pretty

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architecture, but stop giving them whatever
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would start with. And what do
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you're one of the new people who's
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there's some example of this with the
Santas in Florida and New Call for Florida

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bringing Chris Ruffo, bringing some of
the Hillsdale gang. Is that your sort

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of your prescription would be similar.
Yeah, that's a good idea. Government.

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There's no reason at all that U. T. Austin should be teaching

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this stuff except for weakness on behalf
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this is not just this is a
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principles of the state, not just
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That's it doesn't mean you can't question
authority. It's trying to be an

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authoritarian here, but teaching that the
taxpayer pays for it. It shouldn't be

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teaching the students to hate the taxpayer
in the country. And there are people

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who argue that, and it's just
it's such a stupid point to make,

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like, oh, actually think that
our tax dollars should be going towards having

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students hate our country. That's acroaonomic
freedom. This is a dumb, dumb

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take well, then go to college
in the Woods of Vermont where they have

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basically like Montessori. For I wanted
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to an atheist college called Antioch and
was unable to get in. I mean

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because it went bankrupt. See that
sounds right, But is it like the

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one that Jane Sanders ran. I
don't know she actually was running like anyway,

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I dabbled in anarchism in high school, but fortunately before I started applying

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for colleges it all makes sense to
all of the listeners. Now, I'm

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sure I did know that, and
it's sort of a foundational I think part

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of the Bedford story. I'm united
by radicalism, that's the strain and anger.

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Yeah yeah, and I'm easily swayed
by good music love punk rock.

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of thought. That's okay, we
have to wrap up in a minute.

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Anyways, I can tell. I
can always tell when you're ready to wrap

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up. I'm sorry, I've been
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a shorter podcast. I've been running
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mother in law, landing, tonight, shock, broken down, too

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many animals in my house, and
I'm just my mind is swirling. Yeah,

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I'm like a bartender who's I got
the rush right now? No,

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I can tell, I can tell
and now much we can keep going though.

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Well here, let me ask you
one question. Do it one more

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question? Do it Lessons from the
confrontation with Communism that should be applied now,

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from failures of that confrontation that should
be applied now, from the Cold

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War lessons you mean? Yeah,
I mean America, the world is really

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interconnected. America's got to be very
careful what it does and when it doesn't,

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there are reactions. I don't want
to just be like a Ron Paul

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blowback guy, but you need to
pay attention to where you're stepping. I

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mean, say what you will about
the British Empire. They really understood the

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country that they were in. I
mean, maybe they get there at first,

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I'm like, let's blow up that
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generally speaking, they had a deep
understanding of the products the civilization, the

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literature, the religion, the outputs. America has kind of a habit of

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dropping a bunch of pissed off,
under sex eighteen year olds on a base

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and like building a pizza hut and
telling them not allowed to drink and then

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sending them out in humvees and without
any understanding of what's going on. That's

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not across the board. I mean
talking to friends with special operations, they

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know so much more about countries and
their history and their language before they go

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into them. But I mean America's
ought to tread carefully this. The enmities,

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the tribal enmities between people can be
used to your advantage, but you

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can't just ignore them. That was
actually going to be my same lesson,

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as well as that the world is
more interconnected and that these we look back

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on again McCarthyism with somewhat distained mockery
horror, but not me never said the

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word mccarthysm ever, Well, no, because we've read stan Evans. But

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that's the benefit of you know,
when Venona came out and all of that

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stuff. But some of this is
fairly recent history. But that is a

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point. While taking there's a reason
in the country in the aftermath of nuclear

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war had that appetite, and it's
because they're you know, that's not to

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say that I agree he completely lacked
precision and there was, you know,

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a lot of missteps. But in
a nuclear age and in an age of

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total interconnectedness, China can be controlling
the sort of temperature of America's youth.

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That the flip of a switch,
essentially. And you know who gave him

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the initial list the numbers of suspected
Communist agents in the State Department, Lee

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Edwards father. He was a reporter
for the Chicago Tribune. It was reported

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on it. He was like yelling
alone in this room, like the government

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is filled with communists, And an
age to McCarthy was going by and he's

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like, you've been talking about this, do you have any records of it?

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And he just handed them some of
the stuff he was working on and

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he's like, my boss has got
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That was the first speech. This
is not a country that exists for the

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sake of being a country. And
in the same sense, free speech doesn't

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exist for the sake of free speech. Academic freedom doesn't exist for the sense

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of for the purpose of academic freedom. It exists for the purpose of flourishing,

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and I think that's an exactly You've
been listening to another edition of The

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Federalist, or a radio hour with
the executive editor at the Common Sense Society,

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Christopher Bedford. I'm Emily Trishinski.
We will be back soon with more.

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Until then, be lovers of freedom
and anxious for the frame