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Welcome to Open Minds Radio with Alejandro
Roja. Open Minds Radio is a UFO

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news authority presenting evidence and the latest
news regarding the UFO phenomenon. Here's your

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host, Alejandro Roja. Ban ban
Bong Bong Bong boom Bong. I love

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that song. There is a guy, Systematics is his name, and he

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was a listener of the show and
he was around. This was at the

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beginning and when it was UFO Think
Tank and he gave us that audio.

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He does all kinds of cool songs. He's like, use any of my

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songs you want. He used to
have a MySpace with his music up and

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stuff, and he had a YouTube
and it's all disappeared and now people are

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asking me where's that music come from. That's great, man, but yeah,

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the guy is not around anymore.
It is really cool music. And

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if you're out there, Systematic,
thank you so much for letting us use

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it because I love it. But
you know, especially this one dude quick

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calling me and asking me, I
can't get you the info. Sorry,

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dude. This is open Minds Radio
and I am all a hundroohas. Thank

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you so much for joining us and
talking some UFOs with us. Well,

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you're listening, but you may be
talking at the radio, which is just

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fine. You know, if you're
driving down the road and you're like,

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no, hey man, that's not
real. Hey, you guys are boneheads.

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That UFO is real. You know, talk to us even if we

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can't hear you. It's fun.
And I think somehow, on a subconscious

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level, we do hear those things, you know, even if they don't

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speak with their voice, and just
mentally, I think somehow subconsciously your message

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gets across. Uh. And you
know that's great. We're all one brothers

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insist us. Anyway, thank you
for listening. We have a great show

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tonight. Our guest is Paula Harris. And I know I'm not saying that.

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Right's an Italian name. Everybody says
Paula, so I mostly call her

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pauland she's mine with that because this
Americans have a hard time saying Paola.

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I think it's that like pow La
Paola Harris. But anyway, she's on

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the show and we're going to be
talking about her Women's UFO conference that is

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coming up in May. Pretty exciting. A lot of the women in her

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conference have been on our show and
our women that I know and ador and

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they're great people, and so that'll
be a lot of fun. Also,

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we're going to talk about a woman
she interviewed recently named Kim Arnold. She

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wrote an article on her interview that's
going to be an Open Minds magazine and

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that's very exciting. And this is
a woman who is the daughter of Kenneth

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Arnold. And if you've watched a
UFO documentary on television, then you know

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who Kenneth Arnold is because they all
start off with Kenneth Orle the beginning of

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modern UFO research with his citing in
nineteen forty seven, and he was a

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pilot that had a sighting of a
UFO and he said it looked like discs

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that were skipping on water. And
so some brilliant rider back then did it?

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Did did it? Did it?
Did? Did flying saucers seen by

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Kenneth Ardold? They named him flying
Saucers, even though they weren't necessarily saucer's

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sake shaped. What he saw kind
of more of a round horseshoe type of

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thing. But one thing that we
do not know that Paula was able to

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uncover in this interview is that he
had several sightings and I didn't know that.

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I don't think anybody knew that until
recently. So we're going to talk

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to Paula about that. We'll talk
to her about more UFO stuff because she's

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always out there in Europe doing tours
and involved with this whole subject. So

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it's going to be a lot of
fun so and I think it's something that

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you're very much going to enjoy.
I certainly had a good time talking to

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her when we recorded this earlier so
on the show. Yay. However,

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before that, I do want to
make a mention, of course, about

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the UFO Congress. This is this
little congress thing. I don't know if

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I told you about this before.
We're going to have this little conference out

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here in the Phoenix area, in
the Pashi Scottsdale area. In fact,

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PGA is going to be out there
next week. That's how fancy this area

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is. All the richie riches,
and I'm sure some of them are going

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to hang out for this UFO Congress. Who wouldn't. So we're having this

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cool UFO conference with lots of cool
people, Stephen Greer and Whitley Strieber and

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our good buddy from Factor Fake Van
Hansen, my good buddies who we had

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on the show recently, Bryce Zabel
and Lee Spiegel, and then lots of

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our other friends are going to be
there. Stan Romanik, you guys saw

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him last year, you loved him. He's going to be there signing books.

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Paula, our guests tonight's going to
be there also signing books and selling

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books. So it's just going to
be a lot of fun. A lot

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of people are there and you can
come meet and mingle and talk and so

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go to Ufocongress dot com and register
because time is running out. It's going

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to be February in like two days, and this conference is February twenty seconds.

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You really have to move quickly to
make your plan, to buy your

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plane tickets and figure out, you
know what your in law or your parents

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wherever you're going to send your kids
and your dogs and stuffed so they can

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be taken care of while you're gone, so you don't have long to take

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take advantage of all this thing and
then come to the Congress. So you

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better get on the ball. People, it's going to be a lot of

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fun. One of the people you're
going to be able to see, there

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is this extraordinary fella who follows UFO
news and he writes about it practically every

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day. This guy is remarkable,
and almost as remarkable as his vast UFO

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knowledge and the great job he does
on following the news is his hair.

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He's got kind of this. Sometimes
it's a real mohawk. Sometimes today it's

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more of a foe, but it's
stick up stick scept in the air.

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Very exciting and I love it and
you're gonna love it too. So come

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to the Congress and meet our news
correspondent Jason McClellan, who is actually here

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with me today to talk some UFO
news. Jason, how are you?

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I am always wonderful, Alejandro,
how are you good? Good good?

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I'm glad you approve of my hair, so I love it. If you

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spend a lot of time talking about
my hair, it's so fun, it's

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awesome, excellent. I'm glad it
gets the point across. Well. Greetings

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everyone, This is your Open Minds
News Brief for Monday, January thirtieth,

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twenty twelve. And as Alejando mentions, the UFO Congress is right around the

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corner and if you are going to
be there, please do come up and

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say hello. Alejandro and I love
meeting listeners. It's fun to meet people

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in real life, so please do
come up and say hello. Even if

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we're busy, we may say hey, Hi. Yeah, don't be offended

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or think that we don't like you. If we kind of it seems like

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we brush you off. We are
going to be very busy, but still

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we would very much like to meet
you. And I had the pleasure of

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meeting a handful of our listeners out
in LA this past weekend from the good

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buddies at the Simpsons. Yeah,
that's awesome. You got to tell the

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story a little bit. Well,
I went out and had a great weekend

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in California and got a chance to
stop by the Simpsons office and say hello

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to a lot of our listeners there. We've got a big, big crowd

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at the Simpsons, so we definitely
appreciate those guys, and it was fun

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to meet them and spend a very
brief time interrupting their busy work to talk

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about UFOs. But it was a
blast, and we're Simpsons fanatics worshippers.

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Yeah, so it was a super
treat for me and I left Futurum.

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I'm crazy about it. Well,
I'm sure they'd like to hear that.

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Yep, we have it all right. Well, let's get into some UFO

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news. Well, here's an interesting
story from last week. American author Henry

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Miller apparently had an interest in UFOs. It turns out that the famous author

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became fascinated by the UFO subject when
the so called flying Saucers first emergent and

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popular culture in the late forties and
early fifties. He referenced Donald Keyhoe's work

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in two of his books. Miller
even describes his own UFO siding in his

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book, Big Sir and the Oranges
of Heronomous Bosh. And this is an

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interesting story that our colleague Antonio June
has dug up and put together a pretty

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cool article on our website right now
Open Minds TV. So check that out.

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That's kind of interesting. And Alandro, when I hear Henry Miller's name,

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it reminds me of Seinfeld. You
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And this reminds me of the episode
with the library cops after Jerry because

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Jerry has the overdue Henry Miller book
topic of cancer. You know what's funny

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to you? Hear a lot about
Henry Miller. Henry Miller, and he's

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kind of like the quintessential author.
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any of his books in school.
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avid reader in school, and I
don't think I think read one. I

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think a lot of schools banned his
works. Oh okay, because they're they're

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so naughty. Oh they're naughty book, Yes, very naughty books. So

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they they're they're on a lot of
schools bandless. Yeah, even more intriguing.

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That's why Jerry wanted to read it
and then George wanted to borrow it

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because they were so risque and so
exciting. All right, Yeah, like

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their favorite movie Rachel Rochelle, that's
right, Rot Journey from Milantomous from Milanto

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myth. Wow. Interesting, that's
really cool that he's into he was into

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UFOs. Yeah, and you should
have seen Antonio when he when he made

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this discovery. He was so excited. It was like a school boy.

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Guess what I'm going to write about? But yeah, so he's got that

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that article on the website right now, so check that out. And it's

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always interesting when we we have stories
that I mean, he's not necessarily a

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celebrity, but he's definitely a well
known, you know, person in popular

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culture. Yeah, and uh,
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You don't see UFOs a lot in
that literary circle. It's more in the

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science circle, right, or even
if they do have an interest, I

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just don't hear about it as much. I guess you are right. So

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great discovery by Antonio. Way to
go, Antonio. Well here's a story

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I enjoyed from last week. It's
kind of a funny situation here. Well

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we need san fomolt Et, professor
at the Moscow Bay Space Research Institute and

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member of the Russian Academy of Sciences, recently published findings in the Solar System

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Research Journal claiming that photos from Russia's
nineteen eighty to Venera thirteen landing probe shows

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life on Venus. According to the
Telegraph, the scientist claims that multiple objects,

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specifically a disc shaped object and an
object with a scorpion shaped body,

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appear in the photos, and they
appear to quote, emerge, fluctuate,

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and disappear. He explains in his
paper, quote, what if we forget

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about the current theories about the non
existence of life on Venus, let's boldly

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suggest that the object's morphological features would
allow us to say that they are living

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in quote, but according to MSNBC
quote outside and analysis suggests he is breathing

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life into an assortment of camera lenses, camera lens covers, and image blurs

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in quote. One person who doubts
the Russian scientist's conclusion is Jonathan Hill,

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a research technician and mission planner at
the Mars space Flight Facility at Arizona State

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University. Hill processes many of the
images taken during NASA's Mars missions, so

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he's familiar with examining photos from landing
probes. It is his opinion that the

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disc shaped or crab like objects the
object is simply a mechanical component. He

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supports his theory by explaining that the
same object is visible in a photo taken

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by an identical Venus landing probe that
landed nearby. Hill postulates, if those

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objects were already on the surface of
Venus, what are the chances that Venera

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thirteen and fourteen, which landed nearly
one thousand kilometers apart, would both land

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inches away from the only ones in
sight, and they would be in the

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same positions relative to the spacecraft it
makes much more sense that it's a piece

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of the lander designed to break off
during the deployment of one of the scientific

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instruments. According to MSNBC, it
is NASA's opinion that the crab like objects

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in the photos are quote, camera
lens covers that popped off the narrow probe

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after they landed, and the scorpion
shaped body is simply digital noise in the

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photos. And you wrote about this
too, Alejandro, what do you think

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about the claims made by this Russian
scientist, Well, the claims he has

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yet to sufficiently obviously make his argument. However, he says, you know,

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he made this discovery in the eighties, which was when this probe was

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on Venus, and that he was
too shy to talk about it because he

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thought, you know, nobody's going
to believe this. So it's only recently,

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with all of the planets out there
being discovered that could harbor life,

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that he felt more secure, Hey, maybe this will be looked at in

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a better light than it would have
back then. He's released his material,

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he says, he's got more material
and he's going to write some more.

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So I think he still needs to
because it does look you know, it's

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hard to make get things out from
what he's saying. But you know,

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to his point too, some of
the he's talking about things that are moving

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around for twenty five minutes, so
not something that is just laying there or

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perhaps you know, being blown away
by the engines of the land or as

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it lands. So I guess it's
yet to be seen. I think some

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of the arguments are really kind of
ridiculous. Here. You have these scientists

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coming and saying it's a good point
to make that the temperature on venus is

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is very hot, like eight hundred
degrees spahrenheit over five hundred degrees something like

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that, so it's extremely hot,
so it's most likely like couldn't live there.

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But they're saying, you know,
some of these scientists are coming out

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and saying, oh, it's impossible. I haven't seen the video. It's

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impossible because it's too hot there.
Well, how do we know. We

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don't know. I mean, you
can't discount these things until you yourself look

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at this video, Like like the
guy you talked about, Johnson, the

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guy from ASU, Jonathan Hill,
right, yeah, at least he looked

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at it, you know, and
and studied it to see what he thought,

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so he has a more credible opinion
and a more educated one since he

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actually looked at the images, but
just to blow it off alone because it's

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too hot, you know, too
hot, too cold, whatever. We

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don't know much about where life can
can grow, and we found it in

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so many places where we didn't think
we would. That at least those arguments,

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you know, fall a little short. At least they give the guy

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the respect to take a look at
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Yeah, these hasty, just flippant
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It's it's really insulting. Yeah,
And of course, how exciting would that

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be if we do find something?
I mean, even you know, Paul

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Davies, Davies right from as you
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the possibility of looking at pictures we
already have of my moon to find

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evidence of life. So maybe there
is data we already have collected that does

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demonstrate something, And how exciting,
How cool would that be? That'd be

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so cool And I would love to
look at those photos, but you know,

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I'm not a trained person looking at
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would waste a lot of time.
Having somebody who has no idea what they're

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looking at or looking for to look
at the photos. But and again that's

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a good, good reason to have
this guy from ASU who has looked at

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Mars images. You know, at
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He knows more what he's looking for
and knows more of the typical glitches that

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are seen in photos. Right,
you know, NAS like they've done that

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a lot recently, explained things is
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case. You know, that's also
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I think there could be something.
I mean, you've seen some of these

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photos from the rovers and they're not
always in focus. Even the rocks on

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the ground are kind of blurry and
stuff. So to say something that you

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see sort of farther away that's kind
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an image glitch. Might jump to
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we're rooting for you, doctor Kisano
Malati. There you go. We need

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to learn how to say I think
we need to learn Russian. Yeah,

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because Russian Russia has been in the
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there, I don't know you would
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right now. They're certainly putting the
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to the space station. So yeah, well because of that, let's see,

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let's go into the next story.
Space travel, space exploration, and

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the search for extra trustrial life were
hot topics in twenty eleven, and it

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is my prediction that these topics will
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Well. Current space exploration projects,
planned missions, private space companies,

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and the emergence of the space tourism
industry are all contributing to the new space

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race as countries around the world are
pushing to put more people in space and

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on celestial bodies. The space topic
was brought up at the recent twenty twelve

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Republican candidates debate in Florida. When
asked about the space race, nude Gangrich

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stated that he would like to see
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implying the colonization of the Moon,
and he thinks a priority should be

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quote getting to Mars as soon as
possible end quote. He also shared his

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opinion that quote building a series of
space stations and developing commercial space is something

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the US should do mitt Romney also
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for the country, and the day
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to say that the Moon should be
the fifty first state of the United Ray

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we claim the Moon, I'm sure
the rest of the world would love that.

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when we look up there it looks
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sure that's his plan too. And
the thing is this is low laying political

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fodder. I mean, it's easy
to say, right now, we need

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to go to the Moon, and
you know, I'd say that that's great,

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But of course, how do you
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tight and at the same time you're
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it's great fodder for them, because
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not done much with space travels,
right He's basically said he's doesn't interest him,

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and he's done more of a Republican
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that I'm not a fan of newt
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they both do make good points,
and you know, with their support of

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space exploration and going to the Moon
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with that point that the key to
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privatizing spaceflight, using that giving private
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us there, which is essentially what's
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we'll see what happens. But yeah, Nute says that if he's elected in

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his second term in twenty twenty,
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the based on the Moon makes a

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lot more sense in the International Space
Station and a lot of scientists were saying

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that at the time because that's someplace
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it's a launching point. It's a
better place to launch on missions tomorrow or

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places from right. Here's an interesting
entertainment story from last last week. Fran

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Dresher claimed she was abducted by extraterrestrials. The actress best known for her annoying

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role as the title character in the
nineties sitcom Than Nanny. She recently told

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the Huffington Post that both she and
her ex husband were abducted by extraterrestrials before

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they met each other, and she
claims the situations in which they were each

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abducted are similar. She explained that
her abduction occurred when she was in junior

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high and she was a teenager.
She was driving down the road with her

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father. Her ex husband, also
in junior high at the time, was

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abducted while driving down the road with
his father. Dresser stated, quote,

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a few years later we met and
we realized we had the same experience.

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I think that somehow we were programmed
to meet end quote. She even theorizes

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that an alien implant could be how
the extraterrestrials programmed her actions. She claims

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that her ex husband has one too. She explained, quote, we both

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have the same scar. It's in
the same Uh, it's the exact same

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scar on the exact same spot.
That's where the chip is. It's an

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interesting story, And when it came
out, I think a lot of people

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thought she was joking around, but
she is one hundred percent serious. Yeah.

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She told this to the Huffington Post
reporter. He says, what's his

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name? Rob? Nasty or nasty
but nice? Rob? Thing like that

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name, And according to this guy. She was very serious, So,

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I mean it was kind of just
three sentences that she said in this interview

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that he highlighted and now has become
a story about her, and she seems

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to be really believed this happened.
So very interesting. It is interesting,

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and I haven't heard confirmation from her
ex husband. I know he's commented on

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the scar before and he disagrees with
her about the scar, and there's something

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about but right, he didn't comment
on the event, which she says took

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place when she was in middle school
and him somewhere else, another party they

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didn't know each other time frame,
had a similar experience. So yeah,

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I wonder if I'll ever speak about
it, And what does it say that

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he's not Could it be that he
just doesn't want to talk about it and

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he does think something happened. Maybe, But you know this, this was

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in the news last week and it
continues to be in the news this week,

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So I wouldn't be surprised if he's
sort of pressured into giving a response

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for addressing the issue because people will
ask about it. Yeah, that's for

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sure. So well, here's a
fighting story. A man in Scarborough,

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England saw ufl last week and it
freaked him out. Billy Kirk saw a

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strange ball of light over his home
that he described as a stationary white light.

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Kirk explained to the Scarborough Evening News
quote, I'm still in shock.

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I can only describe it as a
big ball of light. I was scared.

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I just ran in the house and
said to my girlfriend, I'm not

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going back out there. I didn't
know what to think. I've never been

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a big believer in things like that, but I can't explain it. It

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definitely wasn't the Northern lights, an
aircraft or a Chinese lantern. I thought

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of everything. I didn't want to
say anything at first, but I thought

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it should be reported. It could
be a danger to our airspace and day.

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I think the Scarborough Evening News did
a recreation and illustration of what the

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object was like in relation to him, has him standing outside in his yard

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and there's this ball of light kind
of zooming towards him. Freak me out.

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Yeah, crazy, I mean,
and it just shows because I'm I

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mean, you got to take it
when with a grain AsSalt when it's on

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the front page of the Sun,
But I mean just shows. And we'll

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talk to with Paula about this a
little bit. How interested they are in

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Europe about Yeah, you know this
subject on and let's do one more,

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Alejandro. This is another sighting story. Mysterious lights were seen in the sky

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above Utah County and Utah on Friday
night. The lights were identified on Sunday

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when local resident Andrew Smith came forward
to claim responsibility. The illuminated UFO was

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a creation of his that consisted of
helium fueled garbage bags and flashing LED lights

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attached to a wire frame. According
to KSL Channel five in Utah, Smith

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created his UFO as part of a
contest to promote a website, and Smith

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even claims that he's been launching similar
craft for ten years. He explained,

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quote, I don't think it's fair
for me to do this in good fun

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and then sits back and let everyone
be in the dark and not know or

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not let them know what's really going
on. Of course, even if you

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tell them what it was, a
lot of them still won't believe you.

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And that's a true statement there.
But this is an interesting one. It

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was creating a lot of buzz in
the Four Corners area and I even saw

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this on a news report in Colorado
who were reporting on the mysterious lights Friday.

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So yeah, this guy came forward
and says, yeah, I do

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it all the time, and that's
great. I mean, sure there's gonna

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be people who aren't going to believe
that he hoaxed it, and that's happened

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with every hoax in the past.
I mean there are even some of the

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big hoaxes, like the most popular
UFO video on YouTube, the Haiti one,

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which the guy has come out and
admitted he hoaxed, and some people

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still believe that it's real. And
I wouldn't go so far as to say

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this guy hoaxed anything because it doesn't
seem like he's trying to fool people,

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because he wants to come forward and
let people know what's going on. Stuff

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doesn't exactly look like a UFO.
I mean, it's really colorful. And

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I'm using the term not that he
maliciously did anything, but that he created

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just to make the point that it's
still good that these guys come out and

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let people know, because not everybody
is not going to take his work for

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Although a lot of people will say, oh, okay, great, thank

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you. You know, I didn't
know what it was I saw, and

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most of the UFO witnesses that I've
talked to as a move on investigator and

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everything, they just want to know
what it was. You know, they

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don't necessarily have a preconceived notion that
hits an extra tresh rule and that's what

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it had to be. They want
to know what it was. And when

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they get an answer and they figure
it out, often they're very happy.

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Yeah, exactly. And you know
a good example of something like this is

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the New Orleans NFL video from last
year. You know, that's something that

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you know. Lis Biegel from the
Huffington Post was contacted by the NBC photographer

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who took that footage of this weird
object moving behind the cathedral, and he

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provided footage showing how he creates this
time lapse video and has the original footage

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of the airplanes's flying by, and
said, when I was sitting there waiting

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for this half hour process to finish, I was watching the airplanes fly by

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coming in for a landing at the
nearby airport. But they were plenty of

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people who didn't didn't want to accept
that explanation even though the proof was right

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there. Yeah, tough, tough, you can't you can't make everyone happy,

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but that's the way it is.
Yeah, you know, we're we're

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looking for the truth here. We're
looking for the credible stuff that we know.

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And and you said it before,
I mean, yeah, we're we're

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kind of disappointed when you know,
it's not something as exciting as we thought

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it would be. But you know
that's what we're after. We're after the

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truth. You know, we don't
want to be fooled and be excited about

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something that's nothing. I mean,
we want we want to find what the

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real answer is. I don't want
to be staring at a balloon that I

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think is a ETE trying to figure
out the technology behind the sutraterreastural craft and

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when it's not, I'd rather be
told it's not. Now I'm not wasting

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my time. I'm writing at stuff
that is more credible. I'm right there

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with you, buddy. Well,
Alejandro, that is it for the news.

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what do I care what people are
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Minds, tv Acentric and Maureen has

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a new and Space geek Life.
Right Space geek Life. Yeah, that's

405
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her new and so you can check
out our twe Twitter there too, so

406
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we're all tweeting. We're twitters.
Someone who has a website and an active

407
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Facebook, but I don't think she
has Twitter yet. I should talk to

408
00:28:56.039 --> 00:29:00.400
her about that is Paola Harris,
who is our guest and I she's a

409
00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:04.240
UFO researcher, has been for years, started working with j Allen Heinek,

410
00:29:04.279 --> 00:29:08.759
who of course is a I'm a
huge fan of this guy and we talked

411
00:29:08.759 --> 00:29:12.319
about him often, and I asked
Paula about that. So let's go ahead

412
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and listen in on Paula Harris.
I am happy to have a good friend

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00:29:19.759 --> 00:29:25.079
of mine from Boulder, Colorado.
Although when I met you, you used

414
00:29:25.079 --> 00:29:27.640
to spend a lot of time in
Italy. The UFO researcher Paula Harris,

415
00:29:27.799 --> 00:29:33.559
Hello, Paula, I Alejandro.
I have like one foot in here and

416
00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:37.039
one foot in Europe. I have
the best of both worlds. Yeah,

417
00:29:37.079 --> 00:29:42.559
that's awesome. And Europe has been
really busy on this subject. Yeah,

418
00:29:42.599 --> 00:29:47.279
there's a lot going on in Europe. They've had a lot of fightings and

419
00:29:47.440 --> 00:29:52.440
I'm working on two cases there,
and believe it or not, one contact

420
00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:55.799
EA case and I'm always on the
phone with him because a lot of interesting

421
00:29:55.880 --> 00:30:00.799
things are happening. And I wish
I could just like fly across the ocean

422
00:30:00.799 --> 00:30:03.720
when these things happen. Because just
in general, and you and I have

423
00:30:03.799 --> 00:30:07.240
talked about this, this subject matter
gets to be a lot more open in

424
00:30:07.279 --> 00:30:11.079
Europe sometimes than it is here.
It's covered on the news, on the

425
00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:15.000
six o'clock news, it's covered on
it's covered in the newspapers and stuff like

426
00:30:15.039 --> 00:30:21.039
that, and here I very rarely
see uf both stories on any of the

427
00:30:21.079 --> 00:30:25.680
news channels. Yeah, I mean, I feel like there's a lot because

428
00:30:25.720 --> 00:30:30.319
I cover I pay attention to all
of the media. But really it's across

429
00:30:30.359 --> 00:30:33.039
the whole country. If you took
one city, like let's say Denver in

430
00:30:33.079 --> 00:30:37.319
particular, you know, maybe a
few stories a year that's it. So

431
00:30:38.160 --> 00:30:42.759
across the country, there's a lot
when you put everything together, but still

432
00:30:44.240 --> 00:30:48.119
each individual media organization only has a
couple of stories a year or something like

433
00:30:48.160 --> 00:30:52.799
that. I guess I'm talking about
television mostly because Internet filled pose stories.

434
00:30:53.039 --> 00:30:57.160
Yeah, you know, on the
Internet. I mean I think anymore,

435
00:30:57.200 --> 00:31:03.559
there's like there could be like an
occupation called surfing the net because there's for

436
00:31:03.920 --> 00:31:08.759
UFO stories because so many are on
Internet and they're put on by regular people.

437
00:31:08.839 --> 00:31:17.000
I mean people that are everyday citizens
that can upload their video and they

438
00:31:17.039 --> 00:31:22.039
can upload their experiences. But what
I'm talking about in particular is mainstream media,

439
00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:27.480
oh yeah, news, top radio
or television children. And in Europe,

440
00:31:27.640 --> 00:31:32.640
I feel that that's probably much more
open than it is here because I'm

441
00:31:32.680 --> 00:31:38.079
always looking at see'll cover some kind
of UFO story. Got cham Yeah,

442
00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:41.960
I want to talk more about Europe
in a little bit, but I wanted

443
00:31:41.960 --> 00:31:48.160
to start off with some of what
you're working on lately. And something that's

444
00:31:48.200 --> 00:31:52.599
really exciting that you're working on is
your own conference in Texas coming up in

445
00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:56.119
may or your speakers this is unique, the first time ever are all going

446
00:31:56.160 --> 00:32:00.000
to be women. Yeah, you
know, I was trying to think of

447
00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:05.400
what I could create that would be
completely different, that would be a different

448
00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:10.440
kind of sun the area than the
regular UFO conferences that I've spoken at her,

449
00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:16.400
that I've attended, And it just
came to me that And this is

450
00:32:16.400 --> 00:32:21.039
how it starts. That Angela Joiner, who's a journalist, to cover the

451
00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:24.640
Stephenville Likes, really risked a lot
for truth. She risked a lot because

452
00:32:24.680 --> 00:32:30.880
she was working for the Stephenville Tribune
and and really became interested in the UFOs,

453
00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:34.680
and you know that caused a problem
with her job. So I thought,

454
00:32:34.759 --> 00:32:40.160
look, if I worked with Angela
to have a Stephenville Likes panel,

455
00:32:40.839 --> 00:32:45.599
we were to give her an award
for excellent journalism, and we would have

456
00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:50.119
the speakers be mostly women. In
this case, all women, even though

457
00:32:50.119 --> 00:32:53.400
we have a panel of four men
who are the chief Stephenville witnesses, and

458
00:32:53.440 --> 00:32:59.839
we have on Friday night the screening
of the Him Hand by James Carmen from

459
00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:04.440
York. Now you know he won
the EB Award last year for Best Film.

460
00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:07.799
So I have men at this conference, but what I'm doing is highlighting

461
00:33:07.839 --> 00:33:14.400
women, and I think that's a
balance that kind of carries the balance for

462
00:33:14.880 --> 00:33:20.240
the regular UFO conference that is basically
top heavy with men. There are so

463
00:33:20.480 --> 00:33:24.799
many really deserving, excellent women.
Now, one thing you might notice when

464
00:33:24.799 --> 00:33:30.079
you see the banner for us is
that there's no gadgets, and there's no

465
00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:35.599
cartoons, and there's no filliness because
we want it. We're calling it a

466
00:33:35.720 --> 00:33:42.720
symposium, a dialogue, and we're
using very serious background on it because it

467
00:33:42.799 --> 00:33:47.079
will be like a dialogue, and
people like Lynn Keytai, Doctor Lynn Keyty

468
00:33:47.240 --> 00:33:52.559
is going to be one of our
speakers. We'll talk about the effect of

469
00:33:52.640 --> 00:33:57.079
the Phoenix flight sightings on the mass
public, and it's kind of the same

470
00:33:57.079 --> 00:34:01.319
effect that Stephenville had on its town
down there, because it's kind of changed

471
00:34:02.039 --> 00:34:07.480
their worldview. So it'd be interesting
we have Phoenix lights and Stephenville lights.

472
00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:12.000
And then we have Carol Rosen,
who is an excellent speaker who wants to

473
00:34:12.039 --> 00:34:17.679
talk about the space based weapons and
banning them in space, and she's very

474
00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:22.599
serious and passionate about what she has
to say. And of course Lisa Romanac,

475
00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:28.639
who's going to be speaking for the
first time in public about her role

476
00:34:29.199 --> 00:34:32.000
as the wife of a contactee,
and I know you know her very very

477
00:34:32.039 --> 00:34:36.639
well. The name of her book
is the other side of the bed and

478
00:34:36.679 --> 00:34:39.719
she'll talk about what she's had to
go through. So this is really exciting

479
00:34:39.800 --> 00:34:44.360
speakers. Yeah, this is going
to be a lot of fun. I

480
00:34:44.400 --> 00:34:49.480
mean, these are all people I
know and are great people, so it

481
00:34:49.519 --> 00:34:52.840
ought to be kind of cool.
And I think it's important, like you

482
00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:59.960
said, to add some balance and
also to see that perspective, to see

483
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:04.360
it through different eyes. I think
it's important. What you're doing, well,

484
00:35:04.400 --> 00:35:07.800
thank you. And it's just creative. It's very creative. And I've

485
00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:12.199
told the women and this is going
to be fun for everybody because Texas is

486
00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:17.199
a wonderful place. I've been down
to Stephenville and Glen Rose in that area.

487
00:35:17.360 --> 00:35:21.679
It'll be a big like Texas party. We're going to have a Texas

488
00:35:21.719 --> 00:35:27.039
barbecue on Saturday night and then Steve
Allen, who's the principal witness of the

489
00:35:27.039 --> 00:35:30.400
Stephenville Light, is one of our
supporters and he's going to take everybody to

490
00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:36.760
the old ranch. She said it
has a very very unobstructed view of the

491
00:35:36.800 --> 00:35:39.760
sky where he saw this craft,
this mile long craft, and we're all

492
00:35:39.800 --> 00:35:45.320
going there for a SkyWatch Saturday Friday. We're going to have a cocktail party

493
00:35:45.320 --> 00:35:49.039
and I'm asking the ladies all to
wear a red cocktail dress. Is going

494
00:35:49.119 --> 00:35:52.119
to be called a lady in red
party. So and that's where James Carmen

495
00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:57.320
will also be, you know,
screening his solm. So I'm trying to

496
00:35:57.360 --> 00:36:01.280
make it fun for people, So
I welcome men. In fact, half

497
00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:06.719
men have registered so far, uh
you know, half and half women and

498
00:36:06.719 --> 00:36:10.800
and and to make it something fun
but also something extremely intellectual and important.

499
00:36:12.639 --> 00:36:16.079
Yeah, it looks like it about
what half an hour out of out of

500
00:36:16.199 --> 00:36:20.440
Dallas or Fort Worth is at the
best place where people are flying into and

501
00:36:20.440 --> 00:36:24.079
then driving out. Yeah, well
it's one hour actually out was fort Worth.

502
00:36:24.119 --> 00:36:29.800
And you know, if they had
people are having questions about carpooling,

503
00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:35.920
they can contact my companies called star
Warks USA. I formed the company specifically

504
00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:39.440
for this, for this event,
and I'm hoping that it will it will

505
00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:44.320
just give a breath of fresh air
to uh, you know, the dialogue

506
00:36:44.320 --> 00:36:49.840
on UFOs in a place that's fairly
conservative about UFOs and that's Texas, so

507
00:36:50.079 --> 00:36:53.239
it's going to be really interesting.
I'm you know, these Stephen will lights

508
00:36:53.239 --> 00:37:00.000
for me though Alejandro as a journalist
is very very important because I just intered

509
00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:02.440
you, Steve Allen, and the
fact that someone like him, who's the

510
00:37:02.480 --> 00:37:07.920
pilot and businessman, can really,
you know, be affected by this.

511
00:37:08.159 --> 00:37:12.320
In my interview, I asked him, I said, you know, what

512
00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:15.639
would you say to the people because
you didn't expect us to be real?

513
00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:20.199
And he just said to me that
he had asked President Bush, who lives

514
00:37:20.320 --> 00:37:23.760
down you know, down the road
in Crawford, Texas. His words were,

515
00:37:24.199 --> 00:37:27.519
the gig is up, the cats
out of the bag, would you

516
00:37:27.559 --> 00:37:31.199
please tell us what's going on?
So I really liked it when the average

517
00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:37.679
you know, a citizen it wants
disclosure like Steve does. Now, Now,

518
00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:44.440
how far away is your conference from
Stephenville. It's about thirty miles from

519
00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:49.800
back from Stephenville. And that sighting
was actually between glen Rose and Stephensville on

520
00:37:49.840 --> 00:37:52.880
the Oldom which it was between Yeah, it was on a ranch. Uh.

521
00:37:53.559 --> 00:37:59.320
And Mike Oldham has has agreed to
have us there on Saturday night.

522
00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:02.280
And you know something I didn't.
I didn't realize that the phenomenon is still

523
00:38:02.320 --> 00:38:07.800
going on. The people are still
seeing orbs and and and lights in the

524
00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:14.440
sky. Yeah, in the in
those towns. Interesting. Now, maybe

525
00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:17.639
Steve Allen, you said, he
actually talks to President Bush. No,

526
00:38:17.719 --> 00:38:22.559
he he he went on, Uh, he's been on radio, he's been

527
00:38:22.599 --> 00:38:24.880
on he's been on radio, he's
been on television, and he's been in

528
00:38:24.880 --> 00:38:30.320
the media. And his words to
Bush are you know, but this is

529
00:38:30.320 --> 00:38:34.280
when you know Bush was in the
White House, you know. He he

530
00:38:34.360 --> 00:38:37.360
basically said, it's time for truth. You got to tell the truth and

531
00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:40.840
this you shouldn't be hiding this from
the people. He believes he believes that

532
00:38:40.880 --> 00:38:45.559
whatever uh you know, political structure
is in place, should be telling the

533
00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:50.000
truth to people. And and that
isn't always. And that really surprised me

534
00:38:50.039 --> 00:38:54.079
because I thought that this phenomenon would
kind of scare him and and and he

535
00:38:54.159 --> 00:38:58.320
really thinks that, you know that
whatever it is, it's harmless. He

536
00:38:58.360 --> 00:39:01.159
said, whatever was it was in
that craft was aware that I was there.

537
00:39:01.960 --> 00:39:07.280
He said, it knew I was
looking at it, and it wasn't

538
00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:10.679
doing any harm. And then he
described that the two f sixteens that came

539
00:39:10.719 --> 00:39:15.079
out of nowhere and work good.
Well, why don't you go ahead and

540
00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:20.880
explain who Steve Allen was and what
happened to him, what he experienced during

541
00:39:20.920 --> 00:39:23.559
the sightings. Well, he explained
to me in the interview that it was

542
00:39:23.599 --> 00:39:29.280
one night that you know of.
It was January eighth, nineteen ninety eight,

543
00:39:29.320 --> 00:39:35.760
and basically they some friends of his
and Michaelsham asked him to bring over

544
00:39:35.800 --> 00:39:39.159
some beer because they have a dry
county over there, and Steve lives in

545
00:39:39.199 --> 00:39:43.239
a wet county. I guess in
Texas, you know there's dry counties and

546
00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:45.519
wet counties where you can have alcohol
and not. So Steve got the beer.

547
00:39:45.559 --> 00:39:49.679
He went over to the ranch.
He said, it was an unusual

548
00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:53.199
sunset. He said, there was
this really strange looking cloud in the sky,

549
00:39:53.800 --> 00:40:00.320
very unusual. And he said he
turned around and in the sky he

550
00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:06.440
saw this these lights these he said, it was like almost a transparent kind

551
00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:12.679
of huge crafts sitting there with these
orbs around it, these these lights around

552
00:40:12.679 --> 00:40:16.320
it. And he said they all
saw it, and he said he was

553
00:40:16.760 --> 00:40:22.960
kind of dumb struck by it.
It really surprised him because he's a pilot

554
00:40:22.360 --> 00:40:27.360
and he knows he's never seen anything
like this, so he knew that it

555
00:40:27.400 --> 00:40:30.920
was not an airplane. He couldn't
figure out what it was. But within

556
00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:36.920
minutes, he said, two f
sixteens came and this thing just shot away

557
00:40:37.880 --> 00:40:40.320
and and then it came back and
they could see it in the sky a

558
00:40:40.400 --> 00:40:47.159
little bit farther. He had some
interesting artist renditions of this. He is

559
00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:53.000
curious as to what it is.
When Angela Joyner did the story with him,

560
00:40:53.159 --> 00:40:57.800
he did something pretty amazing, Alejandro. He had his telephone number put

561
00:40:57.840 --> 00:41:01.320
in the newspaper, something that it's
very courageous to put your telephone number in

562
00:41:01.320 --> 00:41:05.440
the newspaper. Because I asked him, why did you do that? And

563
00:41:05.440 --> 00:41:08.360
he said because, he said,
anybody that sought or took a picture of

564
00:41:08.360 --> 00:41:14.400
it would verify what I saw.
And he said, so unusual that I

565
00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:19.199
needed verification from other people. He
said, I needed somebody else to say

566
00:41:19.239 --> 00:41:22.360
they saw it, you know,
in the township, or maybe somebody'd give

567
00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:25.639
me a picture of it. So
that's when you know, it just opened

568
00:41:25.719 --> 00:41:30.679
up a can of worms. And
people called him, including Leroy and Gayton.

569
00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:36.440
It was a constable and he had
to talk Leroy into coming forth because

570
00:41:37.159 --> 00:41:42.679
Leroy had told him I'm a public
officialist and proper and uh, and Steve

571
00:41:42.760 --> 00:41:45.480
said, yes it is. You
have to be honest. You saw it

572
00:41:45.519 --> 00:41:47.079
with you, I think he thought
with his sons. He said, you

573
00:41:47.159 --> 00:41:51.559
have to talk, you have to
speak up. So it was a matter

574
00:41:51.639 --> 00:41:55.800
of convincing these guys to speak up, you know, in a place like

575
00:41:55.880 --> 00:42:01.239
that too, in a quite conservative
country. It it's uh, your thought

576
00:42:01.280 --> 00:42:07.679
of this crazy if you if you
report things like that. So it changed

577
00:42:07.719 --> 00:42:12.880
the whole entire town. It changed
everything. Uh, and they're still wanting

578
00:42:12.920 --> 00:42:16.400
to discuss this. So I'm excited
that the four uh, the actually three

579
00:42:16.599 --> 00:42:23.599
Ricky Sorels, liro Gaiton, UH, Steve Allen, and then UH Robert

580
00:42:23.679 --> 00:42:28.599
Powell, who did the radar reports
for Mouffon, will be in that panel.

581
00:42:29.159 --> 00:42:32.440
Uh, Mouffon involved. And when
Moufon got involved and got some solid

582
00:42:32.760 --> 00:42:37.159
in fact, Steve Allen gave me
the pages of radar reports, a lot

583
00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:43.679
of them blacked out about the real
incident. Then then we have something in

584
00:42:43.800 --> 00:42:46.840
concrete. We have Moufon moving in
and and I'm gonna have something else,

585
00:42:47.079 --> 00:42:57.440
uh Alenjandro at my conference, the
Moufon Texas will be sponsoring us by driving

586
00:42:57.519 --> 00:43:05.320
in the UH. The women speakers
move On Phoenix with Stacey Wright and Jim

587
00:43:05.400 --> 00:43:10.559
are sponsoring Linka TI move On Denver
will be the ones giving the award to

588
00:43:10.559 --> 00:43:15.639
to Angela Joiner and move On Arkansas
will be down there covering the story.

589
00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:20.920
So I have four move Ons from
four different states that are really interested in

590
00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:23.679
networking. Oh that's very cool.
I didn't realize that. And I think

591
00:43:23.719 --> 00:43:28.760
that sort of thing is another thing
that's a really important. It's teamwork,

592
00:43:28.880 --> 00:43:34.239
you know, all of everybody working
together on the sort of events. Well

593
00:43:34.320 --> 00:43:38.039
yeah, but that's my vision.
That's why it came about. I really

594
00:43:38.239 --> 00:43:43.199
think that they don't know each other, these MoveOn groups, so when they

595
00:43:43.199 --> 00:43:47.239
get together to to uh, you
know, work on something together, like

596
00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:52.000
they're working on in the conference,
uh you know, and people like Moufon

597
00:43:53.400 --> 00:44:00.440
uh Denver is going to give the
you know, the award to Angela Joiner.

598
00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:06.239
I mean, I think that that's
just incredible and move On Texas has

599
00:44:06.320 --> 00:44:09.800
done so much and with Robert Powell
doing the radar reading, it gives mouf

600
00:44:09.880 --> 00:44:15.719
On a real important stance in this
and they are a great organization. Yeah.

601
00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:21.480
I thought that when it all happened
personally, that Angela Joiner should have

602
00:44:21.480 --> 00:44:24.639
gotten award from MoveOn. And it's
great that they're participating in this because she

603
00:44:24.880 --> 00:44:30.519
was so important in getting this story
to be as big as it was,

604
00:44:30.039 --> 00:44:37.119
and also she was key She was
the one who really got a move on

605
00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:39.400
on Larry King when she was on
there. She even said, you know,

606
00:44:39.519 --> 00:44:43.239
you shouldn't have me. Everybody's already
interviewed me. You need to have

607
00:44:43.280 --> 00:44:47.239
these move on guys Robert Powell and
Glenn Schaltz who did this Radar report,

608
00:44:47.719 --> 00:44:51.039
And they said, no, we
still want you, but okay, we'll

609
00:44:51.039 --> 00:44:55.039
have them too. So she was
really great, a big help back then.

610
00:44:57.159 --> 00:45:01.760
Well, she also believes the network
see women women believe in networking is

611
00:45:01.920 --> 00:45:06.639
it's because, you know something,
if we could all work together. There's

612
00:45:06.679 --> 00:45:09.719
always been my thinking. If we
could all sit at the table and share

613
00:45:09.719 --> 00:45:13.880
our research, we get to the
secret a lot faster than hanging on to

614
00:45:13.960 --> 00:45:16.320
it or the infighting or the jealousies
or whatever it is that there is in

615
00:45:16.320 --> 00:45:22.119
the field. If we could all
just have like a big, you know,

616
00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:27.199
study group, we get to this
this secret and this mystery, it

617
00:45:27.199 --> 00:45:29.840
would be able to solve a lot
more of it a lot faster. So

618
00:45:30.639 --> 00:45:35.480
my thought is always networking. And
I'm excited about having these fre move ons

619
00:45:35.519 --> 00:45:38.559
coming down. They're all from different
parts of the country. Uh, and

620
00:45:38.639 --> 00:45:43.320
be part of this conference. Yeah, that's really cool. I didn't realize

621
00:45:43.360 --> 00:45:46.079
they were doing that. I wanted
to ask you your opinion as far as

622
00:45:46.159 --> 00:45:52.480
women and uphology. I mean they
are often you know, there are sometimes

623
00:45:52.719 --> 00:45:57.599
when there will be conferences where there
are no women speakers. But it does

624
00:45:57.639 --> 00:46:05.280
seem like are there less women researchers
in UFOs or do they just have different

625
00:46:05.400 --> 00:46:08.840
interests? What do you think the
difference is? Well, you know,

626
00:46:09.039 --> 00:46:12.559
quite honestly, I think it's hard
for a women to be in this field.

627
00:46:12.639 --> 00:46:16.119
I was told early on in this
field that I stopped getting involved in

628
00:46:16.159 --> 00:46:20.800
my nice little stories. I was
told this by a top level researcher that

629
00:46:20.840 --> 00:46:24.719
I didn't that women get intally involved
and they're not objective. I think I'm

630
00:46:24.760 --> 00:46:28.599
one of the most objective, and
that's in most people on the whole planet.

631
00:46:29.320 --> 00:46:30.599
The thing is is, for the
longest time, it's been in the

632
00:46:30.760 --> 00:46:37.159
male dominated field, and I don't
think they think necessarily of including women all

633
00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:40.119
the time. One of the greatest
tragedies of all Alejandro, and it's on

634
00:46:40.159 --> 00:46:45.719
my Facebook right now, is the
fact that we never invited Georgina Bruney here.

635
00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:49.840
Georgina Bruney was a top level researcher
in England. She's a friend of

636
00:46:51.000 --> 00:46:54.519
Nick Pope's. Nick talked to me
at Lent about her how excellent she was

637
00:46:55.039 --> 00:47:01.119
in the Rendel Shan Forest Betwater's case. She had the nerve to go up

638
00:47:01.159 --> 00:47:05.559
to Margaret Thatcher, you know the
movies up now, the Iron Lady.

639
00:47:05.840 --> 00:47:07.599
She had the nerve to go up
to Margaret Thatcher to party and say,

640
00:47:07.719 --> 00:47:12.719
I know, Bette Waters Rendel's from
Force. Something landed there and I know

641
00:47:12.840 --> 00:47:16.119
that's the real case. And Margaret
Thatcher turned around to her and said,

642
00:47:16.679 --> 00:47:21.760
well, you better get yours facts
straight and you better not tell the people.

643
00:47:22.360 --> 00:47:25.440
So Georgina Brooney wrote a book called
You Better Not Tell the People Now.

644
00:47:25.480 --> 00:47:30.559
We never invited her here for any
conference here. She's a major player,

645
00:47:30.039 --> 00:47:35.039
and she passed on two years ago. I think it was about two

646
00:47:35.119 --> 00:47:38.039
years ago, so she's no longer
with us. So on my Facebook,

647
00:47:38.119 --> 00:47:42.480
I have a tribute to her because
she's a woman that I think we should

648
00:47:42.480 --> 00:47:45.239
have had to speak here, and
a lot of our conferences we don't share.

649
00:47:45.719 --> 00:47:51.039
I know, we had Sen Sakarara
from Turkey here quite often and I

650
00:47:51.159 --> 00:47:55.440
admired her. And the only reason
I mentioned these women from other countries is

651
00:47:55.480 --> 00:48:02.440
because you know, I think that
that upologies should be international. Of course,

652
00:48:02.480 --> 00:48:07.920
we have the excellence of Linda Moulton
Howe and Leslie Kane here, and

653
00:48:08.960 --> 00:48:13.880
you know, they speak often that
there's a lot of other women in the

654
00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:20.239
field that do not get the opportunity
to speak as much and are not necessarily

655
00:48:20.280 --> 00:48:25.360
included with the what you call the
in groups sometimes. Yeah, I mean

656
00:48:25.480 --> 00:48:31.039
I find it interesting that for me, when I think about my mentors in

657
00:48:31.079 --> 00:48:36.519
this field and people who I really
appreciate and have worked closely with, it's

658
00:48:36.559 --> 00:48:38.519
mostly been women. There have been, you know, a couple guys,

659
00:48:38.519 --> 00:48:42.480
but it's mostly women right now.
Even that I you know, that might

660
00:48:42.480 --> 00:48:46.159
go to people and stuff like that. There are a lot of influential women

661
00:48:46.199 --> 00:48:52.440
in the field. And do you
think it's partially I kind of hope that

662
00:48:52.920 --> 00:48:58.480
as the field changes right now,
I don't think it would be inaccurate to

663
00:48:58.519 --> 00:49:05.159
say that it's dominated not just by
men, but older men and who come

664
00:49:05.199 --> 00:49:09.000
from an era of such as you
know, the mad men kind of era,

665
00:49:09.159 --> 00:49:14.199
the era where you know, there
there was good old boy type of

666
00:49:14.239 --> 00:49:17.639
things were the way business was done. And hopefully as time changes, you

667
00:49:17.679 --> 00:49:21.360
know, with people like my generation, we're not used to that, we're

668
00:49:21.480 --> 00:49:24.639
used to working with women and and
you know, having women as bosses and

669
00:49:24.639 --> 00:49:30.840
and working together and hopefully that'll change
over time. Yeah, let me add

670
00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:34.840
because you and I worked together.
You were my webmaster many years. Uh.

671
00:49:35.360 --> 00:49:37.719
And and I'm grateful to you.
If I hadn't had you, but

672
00:49:37.840 --> 00:49:43.039
you, what you did was help
helped me get the information out by working

673
00:49:43.079 --> 00:49:45.519
my website and working with me and
I we did a couple of conferences.

674
00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:51.559
In fact, you used to do
a conference in Denver, uh every year,

675
00:49:51.840 --> 00:49:53.599
and and and you invited me.
I mean, but you're but you're

676
00:49:53.599 --> 00:50:00.880
not the average. Uh. You
followed you so you you don't have that

677
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:07.039
bias. You never did and and
I don't know what to say. First

678
00:50:07.079 --> 00:50:12.679
of all, let's talk about ufology
as a it's something more than a hobby.

679
00:50:12.800 --> 00:50:15.679
Okay, it's as a passion,
a mission, or or any kind

680
00:50:15.719 --> 00:50:23.440
of career. I it's really a
thing that doesn't produce any money, It

681
00:50:23.480 --> 00:50:29.760
doesn't give you, It certainly doesn't
give you too much feedback. It's very

682
00:50:29.800 --> 00:50:32.639
difficult to work together because there's a
lot of differences in the field. I

683
00:50:32.679 --> 00:50:37.800
mean, the amount of debunking is
going going around is incredible, and it's

684
00:50:37.800 --> 00:50:39.440
being done by our own people.
We don't even have to look at the

685
00:50:39.480 --> 00:50:46.000
fill classes. I mean, ufologists
are debunking other ufologists work. It's and

686
00:50:46.199 --> 00:50:51.880
it's and sometimes it's very unpopular with
your family. A lot of a lot

687
00:50:51.920 --> 00:50:55.519
of people I know that are in
the UFO field, their spouses or their

688
00:50:55.559 --> 00:51:00.880
families are not exactly excited about their
doing this. It still presents ridicule.

689
00:51:01.039 --> 00:51:06.559
When people ask me that an author
and I've written, you know, five

690
00:51:06.599 --> 00:51:08.119
books, and I'm a journalist.
They'll say, well, what do you

691
00:51:08.159 --> 00:51:12.880
write about? Part of me just
hesitates before I tell them, you know,

692
00:51:13.159 --> 00:51:15.320
part of me goes, I don't
know if I should tell him,

693
00:51:15.360 --> 00:51:20.719
so I sometimes I say, you
don't want to know. But what verily

694
00:51:20.840 --> 00:51:23.760
happens is I say to them,
okay, I write about uf bodels and

695
00:51:23.800 --> 00:51:28.119
they go, oh, that's so
great, that's so cool. But I

696
00:51:28.159 --> 00:51:31.960
don't expect that action when I tell
them. So it's unpopular. So there's

697
00:51:32.000 --> 00:51:36.519
a list of negatives around working in
the uf A field. And I don't

698
00:51:36.519 --> 00:51:40.360
think women are like men are.
Maybe the younger men too aren't as excited

699
00:51:40.400 --> 00:51:45.599
to jump into it as people were
in the past. I mean, are

700
00:51:45.920 --> 00:51:52.039
icons of ufology the researchers that have
been around for a long time have made

701
00:51:52.159 --> 00:51:57.480
a name for themselves, but the
newer, younger generation is very difficult.

702
00:51:58.280 --> 00:52:00.360
Yeah. Well, and when I
say, hey, you know my mentors

703
00:52:00.360 --> 00:52:04.840
are women, I certainly count you
among them. I mean, yeah,

704
00:52:04.880 --> 00:52:07.960
you were. It was wonderful when
I got to live in Denver and we

705
00:52:07.039 --> 00:52:10.519
got to work so closely together,
and I got to learn so much from

706
00:52:10.599 --> 00:52:15.280
your work and always been happy to
help. Well, what was the name

707
00:52:15.360 --> 00:52:20.159
of the event they used to present
every year at the area campus where you

708
00:52:20.199 --> 00:52:24.719
had Jeff Colorado UFO briefing the briefing
absolutely, in fact, the picture of

709
00:52:24.760 --> 00:52:29.079
the brief used to do it on
the sphears of Capital, right, Yeah,

710
00:52:29.199 --> 00:52:32.199
my very first one. We got
a free speech license and did it

711
00:52:32.639 --> 00:52:37.159
right at the Capitol. And the
guests you had were amazing. David Sereda,

712
00:52:37.920 --> 00:52:45.000
you had Leo Sprinkle, you had
Goodness Ryan Wood, And here are

713
00:52:45.039 --> 00:52:49.719
these people standing on the steps of
the Capitol talking to the general public.

714
00:52:49.719 --> 00:52:52.639
I mean, you've had an incredible
vision there. Then you went indoors.

715
00:52:52.679 --> 00:52:55.639
But you're the first one who had
Jeff Peckman speak. I mean, you're

716
00:52:55.639 --> 00:53:02.280
responsible, and let's face it,
Jeff Peckman did more for the cause as

717
00:53:02.320 --> 00:53:07.719
far as actual activism than almost anybody
I know. I mean, he was

718
00:53:07.760 --> 00:53:13.719
able to get thirty you know with
it. I think it's seventy two thousand,

719
00:53:13.840 --> 00:53:19.480
thirty six thousand, seventy two thousand
voters to vote yes for an extraterrestrial

720
00:53:21.280 --> 00:53:24.960
ballot initiative. I mean, that's
unheard of thirty six thousand people pressing the

721
00:53:24.960 --> 00:53:30.119
button for yes. So, you
know, and you started with that at

722
00:53:30.119 --> 00:53:35.920
the briefing, and Jeff Peckman's mission
started there, you know, about getting

723
00:53:35.920 --> 00:53:42.360
this into the offices of our elected
officials. And see, that's I think

724
00:53:42.400 --> 00:53:45.800
that's the way to go because it
doesn't put it in the fringe element.

725
00:53:45.880 --> 00:53:50.119
It doesn't make it crazy, and
so it doesn't make it something that we

726
00:53:50.119 --> 00:53:53.800
shouldn't be looking at. I think
we definitely should be looking at this.

727
00:53:53.800 --> 00:53:59.880
This is something an ongoing phenomenon that
changes our entire worldview, like it did

728
00:54:00.039 --> 00:54:04.519
Steve Allen's down in Stevensville, Texas. What if you think about you,

729
00:54:04.760 --> 00:54:08.280
was he really into UFOs at all
before he had a sighting? Not at

730
00:54:08.280 --> 00:54:13.119
all, Not at all. No. I mean it's like with Angela.

731
00:54:13.280 --> 00:54:19.360
Either Angela wasn't It's like, once
you touch this subject, you become obsessed

732
00:54:19.360 --> 00:54:22.320
by Then you want to know more. You want to know how long it's

733
00:54:22.360 --> 00:54:27.239
been going on, where these things
has been happening, what the cover up

734
00:54:27.360 --> 00:54:31.480
is all about. So I think
he's very in a very responsible way,

735
00:54:31.679 --> 00:54:36.320
asking who knows about this? Who? In other words, how is it

736
00:54:36.400 --> 00:54:39.880
being hidden? And he's convinced somebody
knows, like we all know, somebody

737
00:54:39.920 --> 00:54:44.360
knows. And I hate to say
the government, because the government, I

738
00:54:44.360 --> 00:54:47.800
honestly believe this government, the elected
officials, do not know anything about anything

739
00:54:49.599 --> 00:54:53.000
about this. The last thing they
want to deal with is UFOs. I

740
00:54:53.039 --> 00:54:58.519
think that the who knows about this
is that select group that manages it.

741
00:54:59.000 --> 00:55:04.480
And what do you all of the
black ops people or the military industrial complex

742
00:55:04.719 --> 00:55:09.480
or the intelligence community, it's that
group that manages the information about this that

743
00:55:09.599 --> 00:55:15.320
knows. I don't think your average
congressman, senator, maybe even the president

744
00:55:15.679 --> 00:55:21.639
is even aware of the intricacies of
this cover up. Right. Yeah,

745
00:55:21.679 --> 00:55:24.000
it's funny that you go there,
and it's interesting that you because a lot

746
00:55:24.039 --> 00:55:28.320
of people who have been in this
field come to the similar conclusions. I

747
00:55:28.400 --> 00:55:32.000
had Grant Cameron on last week.
I've had him on often as well.

748
00:55:32.880 --> 00:55:37.679
But that yeah, the politicians in
it. We see this over and over

749
00:55:37.679 --> 00:55:40.719
again, even with Barry Goldwater or
Bill Clinton. They want to know something,

750
00:55:42.199 --> 00:55:45.599
but they just can't. They're not
told anything, and they're not in

751
00:55:45.639 --> 00:55:49.400
the loop. They're not in the
loop. And those people that have been

752
00:55:49.519 --> 00:55:53.559
asked to be in the loop,
like the Barry Gowers and Stephen Schiffs and

753
00:55:53.280 --> 00:55:59.679
and different governors that may want to
know, they only know because they happened

754
00:55:59.679 --> 00:56:05.559
a living states where something has happened, and then they open like the can

755
00:56:05.559 --> 00:56:08.320
of worms or the Pandora's box,
and then that they are told to keep

756
00:56:08.400 --> 00:56:13.920
quiet because they don't need to know. It's a matter of a need to

757
00:56:13.960 --> 00:56:17.360
know basis. So what I'm looking
at as a journalist anymore is I'm looking

758
00:56:17.360 --> 00:56:22.320
at which countries outside of the United
States are doing the most. And I'm

759
00:56:22.360 --> 00:56:25.960
looking at France always because France started
with the Committal report, but I'm convinced

760
00:56:27.000 --> 00:56:31.440
they're working on another report, and
England, and you know, they're slowly

761
00:56:31.519 --> 00:56:37.320
releasing more information. Of course,
at the UFO Congress you have i think

762
00:56:37.440 --> 00:56:40.039
a military man from Chile, which
is going to be very interesting, you

763
00:56:40.079 --> 00:56:45.159
know. And so Chile is looking
at Brazil. Brazil is now has some

764
00:56:45.280 --> 00:56:51.320
files released. These are government files. I mean, people can't play the

765
00:56:51.360 --> 00:56:55.719
game of do you believe in UFOs
because not religion, duly believe that some

766
00:56:55.920 --> 00:57:02.760
governments are releasing files that report UFOs
the air because military have come up against

767
00:57:02.840 --> 00:57:07.400
them or commercial airlines have come up
against them. Yes, are they real?

768
00:57:07.639 --> 00:57:13.400
Absolutely? The trouble is we got
sure what's inside and where they come

769
00:57:13.440 --> 00:57:16.920
from. Now, when you bring
up Europe, I did want to talk

770
00:57:16.960 --> 00:57:20.880
about that and get your perspective because
you, like you said, you spend

771
00:57:20.920 --> 00:57:23.800
a lot of time out there.
You're kind of like a superstar in Italy.

772
00:57:24.000 --> 00:57:29.800
You know, you've traveled around Europe
talking about UFOs, and it seems

773
00:57:29.840 --> 00:57:36.159
like what's interesting is there are very
different perspectives when you go country by country.

774
00:57:36.199 --> 00:57:42.480
You have France, that's probably it's
the poster child for taking this subject

775
00:57:42.519 --> 00:57:45.639
on, probably the way we wish
that everybody would. They're doing real research.

776
00:57:46.239 --> 00:57:49.760
You have England, which is kind
of released some papers, but they

777
00:57:49.760 --> 00:57:52.760
still kind of make fun of it. And then you have like Germany who

778
00:57:52.840 --> 00:57:54.920
says, you know, they're really
no, we don't care about UFOs,

779
00:57:54.920 --> 00:58:00.679
We've never investigated them, and giving
this guy recently trouble who who is trying

780
00:58:00.719 --> 00:58:04.159
to get this file release that shows, yes, you did, at least

781
00:58:04.199 --> 00:58:07.519
at one time investigate UFOs and it's
a file he knows exists. So you

782
00:58:07.599 --> 00:58:13.039
have from country to country. Are
the people like that, from country to

783
00:58:13.079 --> 00:58:19.880
country with really different perspectives? Yeah, I really do believe that they're you

784
00:58:19.920 --> 00:58:22.760
know, there is a different perspective. But you know, in the overall

785
00:58:24.320 --> 00:58:29.159
in twenty twelve, where we are
now, where there's so many other concerns

786
00:58:29.199 --> 00:58:35.039
and countries have so much, so
many problems with economics and you know,

787
00:58:35.119 --> 00:58:38.239
the rising price of gas, and
people are hungry, and they have all

788
00:58:38.360 --> 00:58:43.960
kinds of other problems. The governments
of these countries do not want to touch

789
00:58:44.280 --> 00:58:49.559
UFO with a ten foot poll.
They do not. However, however,

790
00:58:49.760 --> 00:58:52.639
I have to say, you have
a speaker in your conference that I'm coming

791
00:58:52.719 --> 00:58:59.159
purposely to hear, and that's least
Egal. Because at one time, if

792
00:58:59.320 --> 00:59:04.039
one country as small as Grenada could
get a resolution into the United Nations,

793
00:59:04.079 --> 00:59:07.880
and Lee Spiegel was very important in
getting that together. Uh, you know,

794
00:59:07.960 --> 00:59:13.440
with Alan Hyak, Jacquelin and Gordon
Cooper in the seventies, if he

795
00:59:13.760 --> 00:59:17.239
could actually do that. I mean, he could actually push that through to

796
00:59:17.400 --> 00:59:22.559
at least a dialogue part, even
though it didn't get to be voted on.

797
00:59:22.039 --> 00:59:27.679
Then maybe some little, itty bitty
country out there will push it through

798
00:59:27.760 --> 00:59:30.719
to the United Nations level, a
country that is not, you know,

799
00:59:30.800 --> 00:59:36.559
worried about starving people or the economy
or their banks or any other thing.

800
00:59:36.679 --> 00:59:43.360
Maybe a smaller country might do it. And if that happens, then then

801
00:59:43.400 --> 00:59:46.519
we might open this up to the
world and have an intelligent discussion. And

802
00:59:47.000 --> 00:59:57.360
I really love Lee Spiegel's attitude and
activism in his in his way of approaching

803
00:59:57.400 --> 01:00:00.639
this, because it's a legitimate way. It's a planetary way. This is

804
01:00:00.639 --> 01:00:05.000
not an American problem, this is
not an Italian problem or British problem.

805
01:00:05.199 --> 01:00:09.159
It's a planetary problem and we planet
should deal with that. So he writes

806
01:00:09.199 --> 01:00:15.280
for the Huffington Post right now,
and I really think that his vision is

807
01:00:15.320 --> 01:00:17.760
one where you know, I'd like
to put my energy into. I mean,

808
01:00:19.079 --> 01:00:23.119
you know, we can't work for
individual countries, and there's so much

809
01:00:23.159 --> 01:00:27.599
going on right now, people aren't
necessarily tuned in. But if it would

810
01:00:27.639 --> 01:00:30.599
get to the United Nations, it
might be an answer, right Yeah,

811
01:00:30.639 --> 01:00:35.559
And it seems you know, yeah, I at least be go. I

812
01:00:35.559 --> 01:00:37.800
love that guy and I've had him
on a couple of times now, just

813
01:00:37.880 --> 01:00:43.639
recently even and we talked about,
you know, how the whole UN thing

814
01:00:43.760 --> 01:00:46.840
came about. And actually I have
an article coming up in our next Open

815
01:00:46.880 --> 01:00:51.320
Minds. You have one in there
too, where I do an interview just

816
01:00:51.400 --> 01:00:54.239
focused on that, because it's incredible, you know that they were able to

817
01:00:54.280 --> 01:00:59.119
make that happen and people forget.
You may remember a couple of years ago

818
01:00:59.159 --> 01:01:02.360
when there was this room of the
UN having some meetings in a back office,

819
01:01:02.639 --> 01:01:06.920
and people were getting real excited.
But it was like for those of

820
01:01:06.960 --> 01:01:09.559
us who knew about this other U
initiative that happened in the seventies, that

821
01:01:09.760 --> 01:01:13.960
big deal. You know, there
were people in the seventies bringing this to

822
01:01:14.039 --> 01:01:20.559
the floor, talking to the General
Session about UFOs in the past. Well,

823
01:01:20.599 --> 01:01:23.440
you know it is. I mean, even though I truly believe that

824
01:01:23.519 --> 01:01:29.960
the phenomenon is benign, it is
a matter of national security. You're going

825
01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:34.039
to need to tell your pilots that
they may have an incident and what to

826
01:01:34.079 --> 01:01:37.800
do when they're out there. You
can't have the pilot like Jean Jacques du

827
01:01:37.800 --> 01:01:40.360
Blac have a huge UFO over parents
and not know what to do because he

828
01:01:40.400 --> 01:01:45.239
has all the passengers in the back. I think that's unethical, and not

829
01:01:45.320 --> 01:01:50.159
only that, it could be a
matter of national security and that they're in

830
01:01:50.480 --> 01:01:53.840
other countries their space, so we
could look at that should be alone something

831
01:01:53.880 --> 01:02:00.679
they would open it up. But
Alejandro, there was another situation nineteen eight

832
01:02:00.159 --> 01:02:06.239
at the sun Medino conference in Italy
where Colonel Carso was there. I was

833
01:02:06.280 --> 01:02:10.599
there. I was present, and
we had representatives from every country including Yeah,

834
01:02:10.639 --> 01:02:15.440
we had us double Day from France, Michael Husband from Germany. We

835
01:02:15.519 --> 01:02:20.880
had Bud Hopkins and David Jacobs,
we had Yvonne Smith was there. Ivann

836
01:02:20.960 --> 01:02:25.119
is one of the only women that
has really traveled the world with this UFO

837
01:02:25.320 --> 01:02:30.000
situation. And Colonel Corso was there. And because some Merino was an independent

838
01:02:30.079 --> 01:02:36.719
republic, it has hardly any army, it didn't have any stake and you

839
01:02:36.760 --> 01:02:42.039
know, being criticized it was such
a small country. There was a resolution

840
01:02:42.239 --> 01:02:46.039
paper sign there that Solo signed and
all the people present signed to bring it

841
01:02:46.079 --> 01:02:50.760
before the General Assembly. So did
they end up doing it, No,

842
01:02:51.000 --> 01:02:57.400
because I guess somebody now had an
election and the the prime Minister of sun

843
01:02:57.440 --> 01:03:01.440
Minno. After that the governor of
the Prime Minister I didn't agree, didn't

844
01:03:01.480 --> 01:03:05.599
agree with Cassalis, who is the
one at the time who was there.

845
01:03:05.960 --> 01:03:09.639
And so the thing is that's interesting
is that another we tried to do it

846
01:03:09.679 --> 01:03:15.639
through another small independent republic, and
it never got off the ground because it

847
01:03:15.760 --> 01:03:22.119
has to be introduced by a country
that is not going to be either embarrassed

848
01:03:22.239 --> 01:03:27.039
or have a stake in it.
So, I mean, that's an interesting

849
01:03:27.519 --> 01:03:31.079
perspective and I'm glad you're writing about
it because that is a possible way to

850
01:03:31.079 --> 01:03:35.440
go. We need to go past
the sighting stage. You know, we've

851
01:03:35.480 --> 01:03:38.079
got enough sightings to prove that it's
real. We need to go now to

852
01:03:38.199 --> 01:03:47.800
more and more of an activist political
stage, having more insight into European kind

853
01:03:47.840 --> 01:03:52.719
of activism in this field. Do
you think there's any breaking country. Do

854
01:03:52.760 --> 01:03:55.239
you think we're going to hear something
from another European government or are they just

855
01:03:55.320 --> 01:04:00.840
too busy with their economic woes right
now? I think you're going to see

856
01:04:00.840 --> 01:04:03.519
another Cometa. Do you think France
is not going to give this up?

857
01:04:04.000 --> 01:04:08.320
France is interested, and I mean, you know you've heard Stephen Gersey a

858
01:04:08.360 --> 01:04:13.199
big Ga Country has contacted him.
Well, it's obvious he's made so many

859
01:04:13.239 --> 01:04:16.239
illusions to France. We know it's
France. They I don't think France wants

860
01:04:16.280 --> 01:04:20.920
to be caught unprepared for any kind
of of what do you call it,

861
01:04:21.119 --> 01:04:27.159
not landing, but any kind of
phenomenon that may happen. You know,

862
01:04:27.800 --> 01:04:30.880
in the end, this is all
in the hands of the ETS. If

863
01:04:30.920 --> 01:04:33.599
they just decide to show up over
an airport or show up over a city

864
01:04:34.079 --> 01:04:38.360
and there's a bunch of them,
we can't do anything about it. That's

865
01:04:38.440 --> 01:04:42.760
that's what's so funny about this.
So far, they've decided not to play

866
01:04:42.800 --> 01:04:47.119
that, not to do that,
not to not to manifest in unmass anywhere.

867
01:04:47.480 --> 01:04:50.639
But I mean, should they decide
something should have been should be put

868
01:04:50.719 --> 01:04:57.119
in place, something in shooting them
down. I mean something that would be

869
01:04:57.639 --> 01:05:01.159
uh you know, diplomatically okay,
should be put in place. And I

870
01:05:01.199 --> 01:05:05.679
think France is probably the only country
that is looking into this with any kind

871
01:05:05.679 --> 01:05:10.920
of seriousness about what could be put
in place, and even if it never

872
01:05:11.000 --> 01:05:15.639
happens, at least, you know, people are prepared. And I think

873
01:05:15.719 --> 01:05:19.400
that's that's why I really, you
know, wanted to Originally I wanted to

874
01:05:19.440 --> 01:05:25.039
go into exo politics for that reason, because it was kind of a political,

875
01:05:25.280 --> 01:05:30.840
strategic, galactic protocol type of thing. I've kind of backed away from

876
01:05:30.880 --> 01:05:34.599
it. Now. I have a
brand new book that I've released called UFOs,

877
01:05:34.599 --> 01:05:38.840
How Does One Speak to a Ball
of Light? It will be released

878
01:05:38.880 --> 01:05:44.519
February first, and I will have
copies at the International UFO Congress and Phoenix,

879
01:05:45.000 --> 01:05:48.840
and I have nine protocols of this
type in that book, because I

880
01:05:48.880 --> 01:05:54.039
think we should be prepared. I
think we should be prepared on all levels,

881
01:05:54.719 --> 01:06:00.119
also on the level Alejandro to when
we're looking up in the sky to

882
01:06:00.199 --> 01:06:04.159
try to make a difference as to
what's our stuff for their stuff. I

883
01:06:04.199 --> 01:06:10.079
mean, you know all that controversy
now about the Belgium UFO that it was

884
01:06:10.159 --> 01:06:15.480
some kind of back engineered technology.
I'm good grief. If that starts happening,

885
01:06:15.519 --> 01:06:19.159
we're really in trouble. We'll be
shooting at our own stuff. Right.

886
01:06:19.239 --> 01:06:26.800
It's like it's like complicated for me. It's not only complicated, it's

887
01:06:26.840 --> 01:06:31.320
serious. We don't know. I
don't believe in shooting at UFOs, even

888
01:06:31.320 --> 01:06:35.800
though poor Milton Torres was you know, was apt to do that in the

889
01:06:35.840 --> 01:06:41.159
Air Force over England in nineteen fifty
seventy was asked to shoot lock on and

890
01:06:41.159 --> 01:06:45.559
shoot at the UFO. But and
this came out of the British files.

891
01:06:45.599 --> 01:06:48.599
But I mean, anymore, it's
so complex, the feel that if we

892
01:06:48.719 --> 01:06:54.440
don't look at what's going on,
we'd be making a whole bunch of mistakes

893
01:06:54.000 --> 01:06:59.639
and putting ourselves in jeopardy. So
one of the things that I really believe

894
01:06:59.679 --> 01:07:08.960
in is an intelligent, also informed
kind of academic dialogue about UFOs, none

895
01:07:09.039 --> 01:07:15.960
of the silliness anymore. Well,
that's another aspect of European euphology. And

896
01:07:15.840 --> 01:07:21.360
maybe one of the reasons why they've
kind of adopted the exopolitics idea is because

897
01:07:23.400 --> 01:07:29.559
you have stated over and over that
it's taken much more seriously the whole UFO

898
01:07:29.679 --> 01:07:34.239
thing out there, that their UFO
conferences don't have little green blow up aliens

899
01:07:34.679 --> 01:07:39.440
or some of the stuff that we
have at our conferences out here. Yeah,

900
01:07:39.440 --> 01:07:42.920
but can you imagine. I mean, I've seen hotels where there are

901
01:07:42.960 --> 01:07:48.599
some very serious researchers, some top
notch people, some anthropologists, some scientists

902
01:07:48.719 --> 01:07:53.599
who are speaking, and outside there's
all these gadgets and these T shirts and

903
01:07:53.599 --> 01:07:56.960
so forth. The general public that
walks by that is not going to take

904
01:07:57.000 --> 01:08:00.079
this subject seriously. You know they're
going to start laughing. We don't have

905
01:08:00.159 --> 01:08:05.960
that because we don't have the commercial
aspect. America has a serious commercial aspect

906
01:08:06.000 --> 01:08:12.119
around everything. It's not just about
little aliens. I'm trying to avoid that.

907
01:08:12.239 --> 01:08:16.279
In Texas. I don't want I
don't want any little aliens or uf

908
01:08:16.319 --> 01:08:19.640
alls hanging from the air or anything
like that. I don't want any of

909
01:08:19.640 --> 01:08:26.039
that. People are welcome to sell
their books and to you know, and

910
01:08:26.079 --> 01:08:29.760
to dialogue with the speakers and so
forth, but I don't want that part

911
01:08:29.880 --> 01:08:34.439
because in a way, I think
there's a lot of things that have happened

912
01:08:34.439 --> 01:08:41.199
with the UFO phenomenon that it's quite
serious. It's not funny, and in

913
01:08:41.279 --> 01:08:45.079
order for the general public to take
it seriously. And Europe who comes to

914
01:08:45.159 --> 01:08:48.359
these conferences, but you know in
Europe they don't charge that much. Most

915
01:08:48.359 --> 01:08:51.720
of them are free. And this
is another situation. So you can get

916
01:08:51.760 --> 01:08:57.399
a lot of more people, and
you get professors, and you get astronomers

917
01:08:57.439 --> 01:09:01.720
and meteorologists, and you get a
lot more teenagers and university kids. I

918
01:09:01.760 --> 01:09:05.800
mean, one thing I don't see
anymore is young people. I mean,

919
01:09:05.880 --> 01:09:13.560
I really think the real challenge for
us in ufology is how to get young

920
01:09:13.600 --> 01:09:17.920
people interested in this so that they
study this like they want a science project.

921
01:09:17.960 --> 01:09:20.479
I mean, how do you do
that? That is a real interesting

922
01:09:21.119 --> 01:09:25.640
challenge for all of us that I
really do care, because you know,

923
01:09:25.920 --> 01:09:30.039
I'm an English teacher by trade of
a master's in education, so of course

924
01:09:30.079 --> 01:09:33.720
I'm interested in the younger generation.
How do you how can you have a

925
01:09:33.800 --> 01:09:38.560
dialogue with these guys when you can't
even get them to come into a conference.

926
01:09:40.279 --> 01:09:44.000
And I want to tell everybody PAULA
Harris dot com. I don't know

927
01:09:44.000 --> 01:09:49.039
if it's p A O L A
H A R R I S dot com

928
01:09:49.399 --> 01:09:53.800
or also they can go find out
more about the conference. It's star Warks

929
01:09:54.359 --> 01:09:58.359
USA dot com. Will repeat those
URLs again later, but I want to

930
01:09:58.359 --> 01:10:00.399
make sure that we repeat them a
few time so people know where to go

931
01:10:00.520 --> 01:10:05.600
star Works USA dot com to go
register for the conference because it is going

932
01:10:05.640 --> 01:10:11.319
to be something exciting and new and
different. It's May eighteenth to the twentieth

933
01:10:11.359 --> 01:10:16.680
at Glenrose, Texas, so it's
going to be something exciting. I really

934
01:10:16.760 --> 01:10:19.600
hope I can make it. I'm
not sure if I can yet, but

935
01:10:19.640 --> 01:10:24.439
I'm trying to arrange it so hopefully
I will. I probably will be able

936
01:10:24.439 --> 01:10:26.840
to make it, but I really
want to get there see you. Yeah,

937
01:10:26.920 --> 01:10:31.079
because it'll be something a little different, and it'll be we'll be going

938
01:10:31.159 --> 01:10:38.039
over the Stephenville case in detail,
and it'll be you know, I think

939
01:10:38.039 --> 01:10:42.840
there'll be a lot of information for
everybody. Also the fact that and you

940
01:10:43.000 --> 01:10:46.439
just had her. Tracy Austin Peters
is going to be my moderator and she's

941
01:10:46.520 --> 01:10:51.640
real exciting. I always call her
the movie star. She's the woman that

942
01:10:53.039 --> 01:10:56.680
has a lot of charisma that we'll
be able to introduce everyone. And we

943
01:10:56.840 --> 01:11:02.800
have a speaker, a new speak
her Karen Grisham Nicol who is She is

944
01:11:03.479 --> 01:11:11.000
an intuitive counselor hypnotherapist who has worked
in Europe in Brazil. She was a

945
01:11:11.000 --> 01:11:16.760
also counselor for Filini, the movie
director. Uh Yeah, and worked in

946
01:11:16.760 --> 01:11:25.199
Italy quite extensively. Uh She worked
with on counseling and hypnotherapy with a group

947
01:11:25.239 --> 01:11:30.359
of miners in in uh in Virginia
that had had UFO contact in the mines

948
01:11:30.600 --> 01:11:33.560
in the mines there and she was
there a month and she will talk about

949
01:11:33.600 --> 01:11:39.920
that and She's just a very sensitive
lady that has a lot to say about

950
01:11:39.960 --> 01:11:44.000
contact. And she'll be on Sunday
and she believed it or not. Was

951
01:11:44.000 --> 01:11:46.920
born in Glen Rose, Texas and
lives in Dallas. Really yeah, she

952
01:11:47.039 --> 01:11:50.079
lives in Dallas, and she kind
of she came out of the woodwork.

953
01:11:50.119 --> 01:11:55.800
I was really shocked. She she
told me that about all of the people

954
01:11:55.840 --> 01:12:00.119
that she's talked to over the years, a lot of Hollywood people. She's

955
01:12:00.479 --> 01:12:04.720
an excellent, you know, intuitive
but she's also a have no therapist that

956
01:12:04.840 --> 01:12:11.800
deals with contact scenario and you know, and and and I think that bringing

957
01:12:11.840 --> 01:12:15.800
in these new people, these people
that have so much to say, uh

958
01:12:16.159 --> 01:12:20.199
and and having questions and answers from
the audience will really be exciting. And

959
01:12:20.239 --> 01:12:25.520
that's what we plan to do with
her. That sounds like fun. Another

960
01:12:25.600 --> 01:12:29.039
thing I wanted to talk to you
about is your article that I kind of

961
01:12:29.039 --> 01:12:31.479
mentioned earlier. You're going to have
an article in the next Open Minds magazine,

962
01:12:31.880 --> 01:12:35.319
and I think this is something great
that you've done. You were able

963
01:12:35.399 --> 01:12:42.520
to interview Kim Arnold, Kenneth Arnold's
daughter, and she gave you some interesting

964
01:12:42.560 --> 01:12:46.199
information about the UFO case. That
really is the one that's credited for kind

965
01:12:46.239 --> 01:12:51.520
of beginning contemporary UFO studies. Yeah, you know, I had heard what

966
01:12:51.600 --> 01:12:54.960
had happened, and this is all, you know, coincidence, and you

967
01:12:55.039 --> 01:12:58.319
know me for that, all the
coincidences in my life, right. But

968
01:12:58.319 --> 01:13:02.800
but I was on coast to Coo
and Kenneth Arnald's granddaughter Chanel called in,

969
01:13:02.960 --> 01:13:08.079
said she was Kenneth Arnald's granddaughter.
Of course George Nurry's wanting her telephone number

970
01:13:08.119 --> 01:13:12.640
immediately, and a year later she
gets hold of me. She says,

971
01:13:12.680 --> 01:13:15.720
my mother is Kim Arnold, and
I will give you her telephone number.

972
01:13:15.760 --> 01:13:19.439
So I called her right away and
it took We've had a dialogue for four

973
01:13:19.520 --> 01:13:24.399
years now, Kim reminded me it
was four years. But the last four

974
01:13:24.479 --> 01:13:28.960
months I've really tried to convince her
to come forth and speak. And the

975
01:13:29.079 --> 01:13:31.720
reason why she didn't want to,
even though a lot of people knew about

976
01:13:31.720 --> 01:13:35.079
her, was because her father had
been hassled so much in his lifetime that

977
01:13:35.159 --> 01:13:41.600
he in his old age, was
very disillusioned, almost embittered by the UFO

978
01:13:41.680 --> 01:13:45.600
community. And it made a big
circus out of this and her father,

979
01:13:45.960 --> 01:13:50.880
who was a real accomplished pilot,
when he saw the nine UFOs between Mount

980
01:13:50.960 --> 01:13:57.880
Rainier over the Cascade Mountains, between
Mount Rainier and Mount Adams. You know,

981
01:13:58.199 --> 01:14:02.760
was very very It just blew him
away because it changed his worldview too.

982
01:14:03.439 --> 01:14:08.920
He was very honest about what he
saw in king Forth and you know,

983
01:14:09.039 --> 01:14:12.720
even I think in his book,
in the book The Saucers Have Landed

984
01:14:12.760 --> 01:14:17.920
with Palmer that he wrote with Ray
Palmer, he says that the FBI made

985
01:14:18.000 --> 01:14:23.840
him, you know, offered to
or he offered to take a mental test

986
01:14:24.000 --> 01:14:29.600
and a physical test because for his
own credibility. People came after him for

987
01:14:29.640 --> 01:14:32.960
the credibility factor. So he,
like Steve Allen, was waiting for somebody

988
01:14:32.960 --> 01:14:40.039
else to report it. And this
Captain Smith of United Airlines also reported seeing

989
01:14:40.119 --> 01:14:44.399
nine saucers on when he was on
a commercial flight and his crew saw so.

990
01:14:45.000 --> 01:14:51.119
Kenneth Arnold and Smith were the two
investigators of the Maury Island case up

991
01:14:51.159 --> 01:14:58.279
in Washington. Kenneth Arnold was waiting
for other people to come forth to say

992
01:14:58.319 --> 01:15:00.800
they saw the same thing, because
you know, I know how that is.

993
01:15:00.840 --> 01:15:04.439
You probably think you're going crazy.
You're the first one to report something

994
01:15:04.560 --> 01:15:10.239
like this. Now, when the
general public or the news media asked him

995
01:15:10.239 --> 01:15:14.039
what it looked like. He said, it looked like a saucer skipping over

996
01:15:14.199 --> 01:15:18.479
water. Well, you know what
happened after that is the news media descended

997
01:15:18.560 --> 01:15:24.399
on his house, made his life
miserable. He was married to Doris and

998
01:15:24.439 --> 01:15:32.199
had four daughters. Kim is the
third youngest, and she basically remembered unpleasant

999
01:15:33.800 --> 01:15:38.920
memories about all of this. And
I had come to sure that her father

1000
01:15:40.039 --> 01:15:44.039
was a piece of Ufo history.
That she had to come forth and talk

1001
01:15:44.119 --> 01:15:47.520
to the to the people about what
her father thought, because I'm curious what

1002
01:15:47.560 --> 01:15:53.079
her dad thought. Her father had
I think a total of eight sightings.

1003
01:15:53.840 --> 01:15:56.880
The third sighting he had, he
was in the plane by him the south

1004
01:15:56.960 --> 01:16:00.960
the craft. What he saw was
something morphing right now near the class uh

1005
01:16:00.039 --> 01:16:04.279
the craft. She said that he
even at that time, you know,

1006
01:16:04.640 --> 01:16:09.319
uh, I think put the window
down, she said, and tried to

1007
01:16:09.359 --> 01:16:13.680
look at it. And it was
more things, she said, into uh

1008
01:16:14.479 --> 01:16:18.079
a light that had like a pulsation
to it. That he came to the

1009
01:16:18.119 --> 01:16:23.039
conclusion that whatever was was alive.
Now, this is what interested me.

1010
01:16:23.159 --> 01:16:29.640
That it had a pulsation like a
human heartbeat, and that it was intelligent,

1011
01:16:29.800 --> 01:16:34.800
and that it was alive. So
Kim's feelings and her mother's feelings and

1012
01:16:34.800 --> 01:16:41.920
her family's feelings were that these were
almost like disembodied entity, that these these

1013
01:16:42.000 --> 01:16:45.920
craft were alive, that they weren't
just you know, metal, And this

1014
01:16:46.159 --> 01:16:50.600
was something that a lot of other
witnesses in the past had talked about,

1015
01:16:51.039 --> 01:16:57.000
including Michael Wolfe, about the craft
being part of the pilot and there being

1016
01:16:57.079 --> 01:17:00.479
one and they're being alive, you
know, being community, that it was

1017
01:17:00.520 --> 01:17:05.560
a biological craft instead of a metal
craft. And so this interested me and

1018
01:17:05.720 --> 01:17:11.560
think in the interview that's in Open
Mind, Word Forward, Kim Marnle will

1019
01:17:11.560 --> 01:17:15.720
tell the public what her father believed
about these craft and the fact that he

1020
01:17:15.760 --> 01:17:19.920
had more than one sighting that and
that's the piece that people didn't know he

1021
01:17:20.000 --> 01:17:26.640
had more than one sighting. That's
really interesting. Did she say, you

1022
01:17:26.680 --> 01:17:31.560
know, was that morphing citing the
the other one that had the most effect

1023
01:17:31.600 --> 01:17:35.079
on him? Was there another one
that was really shocking to him? What

1024
01:17:35.119 --> 01:17:39.920
was that one? She said?
The second one were nine orbs that looked

1025
01:17:39.960 --> 01:17:44.119
like yeast flying, but they were
gold. They were full circles. So

1026
01:17:44.159 --> 01:17:47.000
he had different kinds. He had
the chevrons kind you know, the nine

1027
01:17:47.119 --> 01:17:51.079
chevrons that were like V shaped in
the beginning. Then the d the second

1028
01:17:51.119 --> 01:17:55.800
one was the gold orbs that he
had seen, and the third one were

1029
01:17:55.880 --> 01:17:59.479
these two that seemed to morph in
front of the ship. Now, she

1030
01:17:59.680 --> 01:18:01.479
said, and this is really interesting
too, that there was a lot of

1031
01:18:01.520 --> 01:18:04.800
paranormal stuff going on in her house. After she said there were an actual

1032
01:18:05.159 --> 01:18:10.760
global light came into their house.
Really, yeah, she talked about that.

1033
01:18:10.880 --> 01:18:14.199
She said, now you know from
Stan Romanac that a lot of stuff

1034
01:18:14.239 --> 01:18:18.239
like that happens to him and other
people who believe they've been up that have

1035
01:18:18.439 --> 01:18:24.560
experienced that sort of thing. Yeah, so I think it was no accident.

1036
01:18:24.960 --> 01:18:29.720
Cannethaniel was involved in all this,
and that the residuals were that he

1037
01:18:29.760 --> 01:18:33.359
had this this beam of light or
this ball of light come into its house

1038
01:18:33.439 --> 01:18:36.760
and they saw it go from room
to room. So, I mean,

1039
01:18:38.560 --> 01:18:41.760
you don't know what that stuff is. I mean, I imagine it's an

1040
01:18:41.760 --> 01:18:45.840
intelligent ball of light of some kind. She never talks about aliens. Her

1041
01:18:45.880 --> 01:18:50.720
father never talked about aliens, but
was interested in other people's stories. In

1042
01:18:50.760 --> 01:18:56.680
fact, she said her father had
like boxes of clickings of UFOs if almost

1043
01:18:56.680 --> 01:19:00.199
the same thing as like you become
obsessed with it, so you still are

1044
01:19:00.319 --> 01:19:03.199
taking in all the information you can. And by the way, he's not

1045
01:19:03.239 --> 01:19:05.439
the only one that used to be
like that. You know. I knew

1046
01:19:05.439 --> 01:19:10.520
Monseignor Balducci is about and I would
go over his house. He had boxes

1047
01:19:11.199 --> 01:19:15.920
boxes of UFO clippings, and he
had all of the categorized and he had

1048
01:19:15.960 --> 01:19:20.560
everything from the paranormal. They were
all shoved together, the paranormal and the

1049
01:19:20.680 --> 01:19:27.279
UFO stuff. Very curious. So
people that have any kind of experience like

1050
01:19:27.319 --> 01:19:31.039
this, it changes their life forever, as you very well know. Yeah,

1051
01:19:31.159 --> 01:19:34.560
I mean, I believe you've said
this too, and I feel that

1052
01:19:34.600 --> 01:19:40.079
way. I know Angela Joyner feels
that way. Never would have imagined,

1053
01:19:40.760 --> 01:19:45.279
you know, decades ago, before
getting into UFOs, that we'd be dedicating

1054
01:19:45.319 --> 01:19:49.960
our lives to this subject. Just
it seems so foreign a thought, you

1055
01:19:50.000 --> 01:19:54.600
know, especially when I think of
myself in college and I remember this one

1056
01:19:54.600 --> 01:19:59.399
guy had all these UFO theories.
I had no inkling to throw my life

1057
01:19:59.399 --> 01:20:01.760
into this. It's just crazy that
I've done that. Then it's like,

1058
01:20:01.840 --> 01:20:06.000
how did this happen? Well,
you know, I almost think we signed

1059
01:20:06.079 --> 01:20:10.600
up somewhere, but I don't,
Yea, we signed I don't know where

1060
01:20:10.640 --> 01:20:13.560
we signed on the dotted line.
I'm trying to think where that happened.

1061
01:20:14.359 --> 01:20:16.760
For me, it began with with
Allen Heinech. So every time I see

1062
01:20:16.800 --> 01:20:21.079
a picture of Alan, or every
time I see Alan and close encounters come

1063
01:20:21.079 --> 01:20:27.520
out with that pipe, or any
time I think about Alan, it's just

1064
01:20:27.560 --> 01:20:30.560
so emotional for me. It's just
it's like, in a way, I

1065
01:20:30.680 --> 01:20:36.359
just am tearing out what he started, like you'na did. You're gonna love

1066
01:20:36.399 --> 01:20:42.560
this article by Lee Spiegel then,
because he did give us some pictures from

1067
01:20:42.600 --> 01:20:47.880
the un initiative that include Heinech,
and there's some pictures I don't think people

1068
01:20:47.960 --> 01:20:51.239
have seen before, and there some
really neat pictures of just them on the

1069
01:20:51.279 --> 01:20:57.000
general Assembly floor, you know,
talking about this stuff. So you're gonna

1070
01:20:57.039 --> 01:21:01.840
love those pictures. I also always
I don't want people to forget about Heineck

1071
01:21:01.920 --> 01:21:06.600
either, because he was so important
in this whole thing. Yeah, he

1072
01:21:06.640 --> 01:21:12.039
didn't live long enough to see any
kind of resolution. I remember he used

1073
01:21:12.079 --> 01:21:15.840
to say, I wish I knew
what was going on. I wish that

1074
01:21:15.920 --> 01:21:20.279
they would tell me, because he
believed somebody knew. Yeah, it's funny

1075
01:21:20.479 --> 01:21:27.159
because Don Schmid wrote a story for
the magazine recently about Heinek, and the

1076
01:21:27.239 --> 01:21:30.039
last part was about that emotional piece
where Heinick didn't get to see this all

1077
01:21:30.119 --> 01:21:35.039
come to fruition and everybody gets emotional
when they read that. People get really

1078
01:21:35.119 --> 01:21:40.159
sad. Well, Yeah, because
you know, he dedicated his life to

1079
01:21:40.239 --> 01:21:43.960
He was very open and by the
way Alei Hunter, he was perfect,

1080
01:21:44.279 --> 01:21:50.479
perfect researcher. He never made value
judgments. He never he never belittled anybody.

1081
01:21:50.800 --> 01:21:55.840
I never heard him criticize anybody.
He was a great listener. He

1082
01:21:56.000 --> 01:21:58.920
just sit there and look at you
with that pipe and he wouldn't say anything

1083
01:21:58.960 --> 01:22:03.720
for like hours and he was just
listening and perfect, perfect way of dealing

1084
01:22:03.760 --> 01:22:08.680
with things. Were all too often
researchers, they make a judgment before they

1085
01:22:08.720 --> 01:22:12.960
even get through the whole story.
And just in case there are some listeners

1086
01:22:12.960 --> 01:22:15.359
who aren't aware. You worked as
his assistant for a period of time.

1087
01:22:15.720 --> 01:22:21.199
Yeah, from nineteen eighty to nineteen
eighty six when he died, and then

1088
01:22:21.840 --> 01:22:25.800
you know, in nineteen eighty six, I was so devastated. I don't

1089
01:22:25.800 --> 01:22:29.880
want to do anything else in the
ufology until I moved to Italy in ninety

1090
01:22:29.920 --> 01:22:32.239
two. And then that's when They
found me because they knew I had worked

1091
01:22:32.239 --> 01:22:38.279
with Allan and that's when it really
started over in Europe. But you know,

1092
01:22:38.439 --> 01:22:43.840
for people that want to see the
ultimate movie about UFOs and the effect

1093
01:22:43.840 --> 01:22:48.359
it has on entire families and the
effect that has on everybody, even the

1094
01:22:48.399 --> 01:22:54.880
government staging of the landing, they
need to watch Close Encounters of the Third

1095
01:22:54.960 --> 01:23:00.159
Kind and they'll get to see Heinech
himself as in this little came Yeah,

1096
01:23:00.239 --> 01:23:05.119
he comes out there. Alan told
me that originally Spielberg had the aliens taking

1097
01:23:05.119 --> 01:23:10.279
the pipe away from him and playing
with it, and that that was the

1098
01:23:10.359 --> 01:23:13.399
little piece that they cut out of
the They gave it to him as a

1099
01:23:13.439 --> 01:23:16.960
gift and then I don't know,
people knew that Spielberg was on Allen's Center

1100
01:23:17.000 --> 01:23:20.079
for UFO Studies. He was on
his board of directors. Yeah. Something

1101
01:23:20.119 --> 01:23:26.159
I learned on this last interview with
Lee Spiegel is that Jacques Vallet, Heinik

1102
01:23:26.319 --> 01:23:30.680
and all went out to meet Spielberg
in California. He wanted to meet and

1103
01:23:30.680 --> 01:23:34.239
talk to him about their un initiative
when that was going on. Oh,

1104
01:23:34.319 --> 01:23:41.640
there's a lot about Spielberg. Wait
out now right. I did want to

1105
01:23:41.680 --> 01:23:45.399
mention one more thing about the Arnold. It's really interesting that he thought that

1106
01:23:45.439 --> 01:23:50.600
the craft was alive. Of course, Trevor James Constable was a prominent researcher

1107
01:23:50.680 --> 01:23:56.359
who talked about that the Space Critters
about lots of these UFOs being alive.

1108
01:23:56.359 --> 01:23:59.920
And I don't know if you know
this, but that one image that Jason

1109
01:24:00.119 --> 01:24:01.640
Clellan, you know who works for
Open Minds, he got a really good

1110
01:24:01.680 --> 01:24:05.640
picture of what he thought was a
living entity. He at the UFO.

1111
01:24:05.720 --> 01:24:09.920
He thought it was living the way
it was moving around the sky like a

1112
01:24:10.000 --> 01:24:14.680
jellyfish. Well, so does h
So did David Adair didn't He didn't.

1113
01:24:14.720 --> 01:24:18.560
He also say he was involved in
some you know, hidden projects where he

1114
01:24:18.680 --> 01:24:24.399
said that the skin was biological.
Uh, you know, it was biological

1115
01:24:24.479 --> 01:24:28.560
skin on on the craft. It
was not made with metals. But I

1116
01:24:28.560 --> 01:24:31.720
don't know. Some kind of biology. And the idea that that the EB

1117
01:24:32.000 --> 01:24:35.840
or the extra threscial biological entity and
the craft or one means there has to

1118
01:24:35.840 --> 01:24:42.960
be some symbiosis or some kind of
connection, whether it be electromagnetic or whatever

1119
01:24:43.079 --> 01:24:45.800
that does the craft needs to be
allowed to respond to the pilot. So

1120
01:24:45.920 --> 01:24:50.560
isn't that interesting? That's what that'd
be a great new opening for scientists to

1121
01:24:50.640 --> 01:24:54.880
look at. Mm hmm, and
it's I mean, it would seem as

1122
01:24:54.960 --> 01:24:59.479
possible. We're finding life everywhere as
a matter of time, Even mainstream scientists

1123
01:24:59.520 --> 01:25:02.600
bill it to MA time do we
find life on another planet? Why wouldn't

1124
01:25:02.600 --> 01:25:08.119
we be able to find it floating
around out there in space? I know

1125
01:25:08.159 --> 01:25:12.039
there were some Star Trek I think
episodes that had stuff like that, and

1126
01:25:12.800 --> 01:25:16.640
it seems entirely possible. Well,
it is, and I think that we

1127
01:25:17.399 --> 01:25:21.359
you just don't understand. You know, we don't understand because we don't have

1128
01:25:21.399 --> 01:25:26.840
the science to explain it. But
even the balls of light, the pulsating

1129
01:25:27.079 --> 01:25:30.920
balls of light around the Fts seventy
five and you know that NASA mission,

1130
01:25:31.399 --> 01:25:35.479
Maybe that is just the high frequency
of a metal craft. And when you

1131
01:25:35.520 --> 01:25:38.960
go to a high frequency, if
here there is a ball of light,

1132
01:25:39.079 --> 01:25:43.279
it is really light, but it's
a change of frequency. So we've got

1133
01:25:43.279 --> 01:25:45.840
a whole new science he where we
could be looking at if we took this

1134
01:25:46.079 --> 01:25:51.640
subject seriously right and hopefully that will
happen. Well, I'm excited to see

1135
01:25:51.680 --> 01:25:56.159
you in a few weeks at the
Congress, Like you said, you're going

1136
01:25:56.239 --> 01:26:00.960
to be there selling some books.
Can I add that I sponsored a Clifford

1137
01:26:00.960 --> 01:26:05.600
Stones's book which called Eyes Only,
where he talks about his crash retrievals,

1138
01:26:05.600 --> 01:26:11.359
including the live and dead entities that
he encountered. And I will be at

1139
01:26:11.359 --> 01:26:15.399
the table with Clifford, and I'll
have my new book and Clifford's new book,

1140
01:26:15.439 --> 01:26:17.640
and Clifford will be there in person. Also, Oh great, So

1141
01:26:17.760 --> 01:26:21.680
you'll both be there and signing your
books and selling your books the whole time.

1142
01:26:23.279 --> 01:26:29.000
Yes, we will. And Clifford's
book is really an incredible book.

1143
01:26:29.039 --> 01:26:31.560
Everybody should have that book in their
library. It is the truth about what

1144
01:26:31.720 --> 01:26:36.680
he lived. And he will be
in person at the International UFL Congress,

1145
01:26:36.720 --> 01:26:40.520
will be probably at the book table, both of us. Cool. And

1146
01:26:40.600 --> 01:26:45.399
it looks like on your website and
I'll tell people again it's p AO l

1147
01:26:45.600 --> 01:26:50.920
A H A R R I s
dot com Paalaharris dot com. And it

1148
01:26:50.960 --> 01:26:55.319
looks like you have some information on
Clifford's book at your website. Also,

1149
01:26:56.079 --> 01:27:00.359
yes, I do. And for
me, these books be in everybody's library

1150
01:27:00.399 --> 01:27:03.760
because they are the words of the
original person. I mean, we're just

1151
01:27:03.760 --> 01:27:09.159
the journalists, but these are the
original people, and we you know,

1152
01:27:09.199 --> 01:27:12.760
we've got to get them all while
they're still all alive and able to speak,

1153
01:27:13.199 --> 01:27:18.800
right, And then of course go
to star Works USA dot com to

1154
01:27:19.039 --> 01:27:26.960
register for this interesting and fun and
unique event coming up in May. Yeah.

1155
01:27:27.039 --> 01:27:30.760
If they do early bird registration,
it's only seventy five dollars. If

1156
01:27:30.800 --> 01:27:35.439
they wait too long, it becomes
ninety. So I really encourage early bird

1157
01:27:35.600 --> 01:27:40.159
registration for this, which is pretty
good for three days. Yeah, that's

1158
01:27:40.199 --> 01:27:43.399
great. I mean that's a great
price. Yeah. So, I mean

1159
01:27:43.840 --> 01:27:46.880
it's something different. We're going to
have a good time and you know,

1160
01:27:46.960 --> 01:27:51.039
hope to see you there. Yes, I hope to be there and with

1161
01:27:51.079 --> 01:27:54.920
any luck, I mean they got
some big skies out there in Texas.

1162
01:27:54.960 --> 01:27:59.479
Maybe people have their own experience,
yeah, I hope. So all right,

1163
01:27:59.520 --> 01:28:01.279
great, thank you so much for
being on the show again, Paulum,

1164
01:28:01.600 --> 01:28:08.159
Thank you, Alejandro. Good luck. And if you are intrigued,

1165
01:28:08.479 --> 01:28:12.439
you're thinking, who is this guy
Clifford Stone? My goodness, this sounds

1166
01:28:12.560 --> 01:28:17.079
fascinating. Well, we did interview
Clifford on the radio show about a year

1167
01:28:17.199 --> 01:28:21.359
or so ago. I think it
might have been when we're still UFO Think

1168
01:28:21.399 --> 01:28:26.119
Tank. I know in fact it
was, I think because I had him

1169
01:28:26.199 --> 01:28:31.479
speak at the Roswell Conference a couple
of years ago the universary of the Roswell

1170
01:28:31.720 --> 01:28:36.520
crash. But anyway, look into
the archives for Clifford Stone. You'll find

1171
01:28:36.600 --> 01:28:40.600
him there. Listen to the show
if you want to know more about him,

1172
01:28:41.079 --> 01:28:44.399
and then if you're just like,
WHOA, I need to meet these

1173
01:28:44.520 --> 01:28:48.079
dudes, then of course you can
always register for the conference at ufocongress dot

1174
01:28:48.079 --> 01:28:54.159
com. Thank you all for joining
us once again. Don't forget to visit

1175
01:28:54.239 --> 01:29:00.000
Open Minds dot tv and or no
definitely end UFO Daily News dot com for

1176
01:29:00.119 --> 01:29:03.479
the latest, look for my Huffington
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1177
01:29:03.479 --> 01:29:08.680
Facebook and Twitter. It's been wonderful
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