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little bit of Mountain West, So
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the West, but rest assured you
will get a bone to stand alone Get

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Off My Pylon on the Florida State
snub and what it means so Washington is

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able to do it and you know, I did think that Oregon was going

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to blow the doors off this game. Washington had just been barely scraping by

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Oregon, had been consistent and authoritative
the past several weeks. But you know,

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there is an art to navigating a
full season thirteen games without a defeat,

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and we've seen it really from several
teams across the country. And you

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know, now a few teams went
thirteen to zero, but other teams went

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twelve and one, which easily could
have gone nine and four, nine and

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three. When you look at Alabama
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but managing to rise and win their
conference, be it at the top

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tier of the sport at the very
end, you know, and we've seen

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Nick Saban do this kind of thing
several times. We also saw Texas get

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through a number of land mines and
get to twelve and one. One thing

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we have to keep in mind,
I mean, there are no great teams

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in the sport this year. Let's
let's reaffirm that larger overall point. You

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know, there's no twenty twenty one
Georgia. Twenty twenty one Georgia was a

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beast, you know, an absolute
Goliath. Last year's Georgia team was really

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really good, much better than this
this year's Georgia team. Just as a

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point of comparison, I mean,
twenty nineteen LSU of Joe Burrow, that's

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a great all time team. You
can find other examples of really great teams

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that transcended the rest of the fields. There is not any such team.

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This year's just hasn't been one of
those seasons. But when we talk about

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getting through the land mines and the
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to one conference championship or the perfect
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realities is that you're not going to
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You're not going to play with the
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there are some teams, and we've
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against ordinary opposition, they won't be
especially fired up, they won't be

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especially locked in. But when the
big game comes, when the elite opponent

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arrives, when arrival is on the
other side of the ball, that team

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really locks in, elevates its level
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and so there's kind of a ropodope
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of a play toier level of competition
element to it as well. But when

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the lights are brightest, that team
performs well. And that really does describe

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the Washington Huskies in twenty twenty three. And at the start of the season,

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you're trying to make a point,
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carries real urgency, and we saw
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you know, performing very strongly.
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it beating Arizona thirty one to twenty
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we thought it was a shaky effort, but realizing just how good Arizona

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became in the fullness of time,
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see that game in Tucson in a
very different light. So Washington was really

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very, very good. That game
in against Arizona was not an elite performance,

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but it was a win on the
road against a team that turned out

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to be really, really good.
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win over a tomato can, a
narrow win over a tomato can, which

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is what we thought at the time. That that game, while not a

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masterpiece, turned out to be a
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felt on the night of September thirtieth. So Washington goes through September most down

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its opponents, Handles Arizona on the
road, a really good win there,

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and then you know, beats Oregon
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was definitely a big boy football game, a fifteen round heavyweight fight, you

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know, on which both teams not
only looked the part you know of being

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playoff contenders, but you know they
played the kind of game where you feel

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the moment, you feel that this
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something significant. You know, there
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struggle, the game devolves into a
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I mean, the game might be
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off the page. A really good
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the Big Ten. You know,
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Penn State. Okay, they were
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State just did not offer much of
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those games were important, they were
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up to the hype which attended each
of them. But Oregon Washington did in

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October, so that was a main
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pass that test, Michael Pennix making
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give Washington a thirty six to thirty
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it was as though Washington, which
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that point, it's as though that
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month, a month, five weeks
that Washington was really mentally fried, exhausted.

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so Washington didn't have a week off
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had to play week to week.
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I know that, you know,
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Arizona State was injured and shorthanded,
and the Huskies did not perform particularly well

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against those teams, didn't perform especially
great against Oregon State didn't score a point

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in the second half of that game
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of warts and a lot of flaws, but Washington managed to win each of

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those games. The defense came up
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The offense was able to take advantage
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against USC and win that one.
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the tank in the first half of
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then Washington played like a team which
was tired and was running on fumes in

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the second half of the season.
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the the sense of you know,
losing steam and really battling both fatigue and

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pressure in the backstretch of the season, that team still managed to win.

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And you could say that there was
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that there was a realization that,
hey, we can't put forth maximum

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effort every week the way we did
against Oregon, but we're going to be

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there when we absolutely need to.
That's the kind of profile, that's the

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kind of trajectory, that's the kind
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And you know, I'll admit that
the fact that Washington was just barely

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getting by while Oregon was just thumping
people left and right. I thought that

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meant that this was all gonna a
fall down for Washington in the PAC twelve

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championship game, uh in Las Vegas. I did think that Oregon with the

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revenge factor, you know, being
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a bitter rivalry, and often the
second time around, you know, if

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the if the first game went one
way, the second game was gonna go

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in a very different direction. But
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basically conserving fuel, and I didn't
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conserving fuel. I thought Washington was
really, you know, just begging for

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a good team to finally deliver a
butt kicking to the Huskies. That that's

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what how I sensed the past few
weeks. But but seeing Washington just answer

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that bell at the beginning of this
game against Oregon in much the same way

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that it did the previous game.
The first game in Seattle, you know,

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that was a It was a game
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the end. But Washington really did
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first two two and a half quarters. On October fourteenth, you know,

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Washington really did throw the first punches
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saw that again in the PAC twelve
championship game. So that really told me.

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It really showed me that Washington was
lying in wait, that Washington was,

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you know, just trying to get
by against lesser teams. And it

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did cut things really close, there's
no doubt about that. But it was

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able to stay on the right side
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then with Oregon back on the schedule, the bitter rival you know, this

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is Washington Oregon. Just to be
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States, those looking non from the
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You know, if you live in
another part of the country and you don't

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follow this rivalry very closely, Washington
Oregon is a much more bitter and nasty

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rivalry for these schools than Oregon Oregon
State or Washington Washington State. I mean,

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those those rivalries matter and they're really
important, but there is a nasty

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edge to Washington Oregon, which isn't
found quite to the same extent as the

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Civil War in the state of Oregon
and the Apple Cup in Washington State.

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And so Washington under Kaylen de Boor, like, we have to look at

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this, Washington under Kayln de Boor
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I mean it's now three and ohero
over the past two seasons. This

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brings up a big picture a connection
with the twenty twenty two Pac twelve season.

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USC and Lincoln Riley lost twice to
Kyle Whittingham and Utah. Last season,

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Kaitlyn de Boer and Washington able to
beat Oregon and Dan Lanning twice.

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This season DeBoer three and oh over
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In twenty twenty two, USC wins
eleven games, loses to one opponent

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in the regular season, but loses
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being in the Pac twelve Championship game, fallows one win short of the College

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Football Playoff, goes to a New
Year six Bowl against Tulaine, the Group

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of five champion. In twenty twenty
three, what happens with Oregon Like USC

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in twenty twenty two, the Ducks
win eleven They lose to only one opponent

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in the regular season, but they
lose to that opponent twice. They lose

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to that opponent in the Pac TWORF
Championship game, fall one win short of

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the College Football Playoff, they're relegated
to a New Year Six Bowl against the

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Group of Five champions. So in
USC with the two losses to Utah last

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year, Oregon with the two losses
to Washington this year or twenty twenty two,

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USC twenty twenty three, Oregon virtually
identical seasons one year after the other.

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It's fascinating to contemplate that. It's
fascinating to contemplate, you know,

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one coach winning three times against another
in big games over the course of two

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seasons. That's both Kyle Whittingham over
Riley in Utah USC, it's DeBoer over

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Landing in Washington Oregon. So like
the Huskies have made themselves the kryptonite for

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Oregon in the Duboer Lanning clash.
And we're gonna see if Lanning can now

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turn that around in the Big Ten
next year. But it's too late for

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Oregon this year, and Washington goes
to the College Football Playoff, the first

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PACTE team to make the playoffs since
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It's also the first Pac twelve team
to go thirteen and oh, and it

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will be the only Pac twelve team
to go thirteen and oh. You know

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in the Pac twelve era, which
began in twenty eleven, you know,

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with a conference championship game. So
twenty eleven through twenty twenty three, this

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Washington team the only team to go
thirteen and oh. It's quite a feat

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for Kaitlin de boor, it's quite
a feat for Michael Pennix. And having

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invoked the name of Michael Pennix,
that's a good segue into the Heisman piece

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about all of this. And so
if you were to say that Jayden Daniels

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should be the Heisman Trophy winner for
twenty twenty three, you know, I

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would not say that you're wrong.
I would say that, you know,

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I am voting for Michael Pennox.
But you know, Michael Pennix left something

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on the table in a number of
games. He was bad against Arizona State,

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he was not especially good against Washington
State. He's had some games in

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which he was pretty ordinary this season. And when you stack that up against

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what Jaden Daniels has been able to
do statistically and in terms of just making

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so many highlight reel plays. If
you were to say Jaden Daniels is the

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best player in college football, I
can understand that, Like that's that is

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a valid point of argument, and
I'm not gonna, you know, push

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back fiercely against it. I will
push back against it, but I mean

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I will say that, like,
that's an entirely valid point. If Jaden

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Daniels does win the Heisman, it's
not highway robbery, you know, relative

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to Michael Pennix, not at all, because again, Pennix did scuffle on

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a number of occasions. You know, he wasn't that impressive again in the

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Oregon State game either, So like
there were some games where Pennix was less

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than great. And so if you
wanted to say that Jayden Daniels in twelve

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games was better than Pennix and thirteen, like, you know, I can

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accept that like that, it's a
good argument. I think it's a it's

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a reasonable one. But here's why
I think Michael Pennix should win the Heisman

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Trophy. Like, if you ask
me Pennix or Daniels, which one is

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it, I would lean Pennix.
And it's I lean Pennis for the fact

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that you know, Jaden Daniels was
not the best quarterback on the field against

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LSU, or because LSU against Florida
State with Jordan Travis. Jordan Travis was

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better in that game. He was
not the best quarterback on the field against

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Alabama. Jalen Milroe was better in
that game. And of course LSU fans

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and anyone else who's voting for Jaden
Daniels as his Heisman Trophy winner is going

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to say, reasonably enough, but
LSU's defense is awful, and you shouldn't

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penalize a guy for his defense being
awful. I agree, I agree,

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against Tuscaloosa, and LSU's offense did
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I mean, if I would say
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Alabama forty two thirty eight instead of
forty two twenty eight, forty two forty

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one, uh, you know,
instead of forty two twenty eight, that

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that would mean something that would that
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And if LSU hadn't been dominated so
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of that season opener in Orlando,
that would also change the equation. And

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you know, one of the basic
realities of Jaden Daniels season is that he's

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had to do things pretty much by
himself. And a lot of people will

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make the comparison to Caleb Williams at
USC that you know, it's the Caleb

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Williams show. He's he's out there
on his own. He has a terrible

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defense. You know, he doesn't
have a whole lot of help, and

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that's true. But when we compare
Jayden Daniels twenty twenty three to Caleb Williams

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hes been winning twenty twenty two season, there are a few things to sort

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through. First, you know,
the other elite Heisman Trophy candidates in twenty

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twenty two, they didn't rise to
the forefront the way Michael Pennix did.

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You know, Hendon Hooker should have
been a Heisman finalist, but you know,

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he did get injured late and Tennessee
also faded late in that twenty twenty

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two season, so you know that
that something happened with Hooker, which doesn't

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apply to Pennix. Max Duggan of
TCU Duggan was, you know, kind

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of a gamer, and by gamer, I'm talking about, you know,

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the guy who won't have the most
electric stats, but like he makes the

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money play in the money situation.
You know, college football fans might remember

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a guy named Jay Barker. He
was the quarterback of the Alabama teams under

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Gene Stallings in the early nineteen nineties. You know, not the most dazzling

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statistical monster at quarterback, but like
you needed a late touchdown drive when all

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the chips were on the table,
he would get it done for Alabama and

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Gene Stallins. Max Duggan of TCU, what was a lot like that in

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twenty twenty two. But Michael Pennix
he's not a Jay Barker, you know,

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He's not a Max Duggan. He
provided performance production as well as leadership

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as well as clutch playmaking ability.
I think what Michael Pennix has done has

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been more than just you know,
being a clutch player. He was a

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dynamic player. He's changed so much
of the equation for Washington in ways which

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go beyond what Max Duggan did for
TCU. Last season, dug In the

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runner up to Caleb Williams in the
Heisman voting. And you know, in

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terms of saying that Jayden Daniels and
Caleb Williams are basically the same profile.

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They basically had the same seasons.
Caleb in twenty twenty two, of course,

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Jayden Daniels in twenty twenty three.
Well, you know I mentioned earlier

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it would look and feel different for
Jaden Daniels' Heisman candidacy if that LSU Alabama

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game was like a forty two,
forty one, forty two to thirty eight

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game which went down to the final
few minutes. It did not do that.

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You know, when Caleb Williams lost
in the twenty twenty two regular season,

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his first loss was forty three,
forty two to Utah, So like

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that wasn't a forty two to twenty
eight game in which USC's offense just kind

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of faded away. Caleb Williams was
great throughout that game, and he loses

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because Cam Rising in Utah convert a
late two point conversion, you know,

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in the final minutes. That's really
different from the LSU Alabama loss that that

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Jade and Daniels suffered, and also
the LSU Florida State loss. Neither one

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of those games went down to the
wire. Was Caleb lost a forty three

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to forty two game and then in
the pack to have changed the game.

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You know, he gets injured,
So that's kind of a separate matter that

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you know, he tried to lead
his team back will hurt, but you

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know he couldn't continue he was damaged. So that kind of goes into its

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own separate category. But I would
say that Caleb Williams and Jaden Daniels if

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you can, if you compare Caleb's
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and daniels season in twenty twenty three, you know, jad and daniels numbers

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are spectacular, but in terms of
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in terms of being the best player
on the field, Caleb Williams really stands

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up a lot better than Jaydon Daniels
does. Because Caleb Williams was still the

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best player on the field when USC
lost forty three forty two to Utah in

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the October of twenty twenty two.
Now, Dalton Kincaid of Utah had an

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amazing game sixteen catches for two hundred
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he was right there with Caleb in
terms of being the best player on the

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field. But of course he's going
against an Alex Grinch defense, So you

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know, you can kind of adjust
that evaluation to a certain degree. But

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Caleb Williams was magnificent in that game
against Utah. Jayden Daniels was not magnificent

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in LSU's losses this season. Now
against ole Miss, you know, that

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was just a video game shootout.
There's a reason I haven't mentioned that game.

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It's like, you can't hang that
one on Jaydon Daniels. LSU scored

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a billion points against ole Miss,
but gave up even more. But but

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it's those Alabama and Florida State games
that I've been focusing on. If you're

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not the best quarterback on the field
in two high profile games against the lead

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opposition, that really for me erose
the idea that you're the best player in

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college football. And So even though
Michael Pennix struggled in a number of Washington's

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games down the stretch Arizona State,
Oregon State, and also Washington State,

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I mean, I'll admit he was, you know, mediocre in all three

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games. What he did in the
first half of the season, what he

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did in Washington's really big games in
the second half of the season. Twice

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against Oregon, putting fifty two against
USC when Caleb Williams was you know,

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dealing in USC's offense was extremely good
that night in Los Angeles. I think

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when you put all the pieces together, for me, Michael Pennix rates a

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little bit better than Caleb Williams.
Other than Caleb Williams, Pennix rates a

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little bit better than Jayden Daniels.
But you know it, to be fair

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to LSU fans and to be fair
to Jaden Daniels and anyone else who thinks

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he deserves the Heisman, are going
to be clear. If he wins the

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Heisman, it's no injustice. You
know, there have been injustices in the

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history of the Heisman Trophy. One
obvious example is Gino Torretta over Marshall Fulk

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in nineteen ninety two. That was
awful. Eric Crouch over Rex Grossman in

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two thousand and one that was also
awful. You know, there have been

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some truly horrendous Heisman decisions in history. Jaden Daniels over Michael Pennix, if

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it happens, would not be one
of them. So I'll be very clear

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there. If Jaden Daniels wins,
it's not a travesty. It's not horrible.

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You know, Florida State getting snubbed, that was a travesty. That

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was horrible. No, Jaden Daniels
winning it would be perfectly reasonable, perfectly

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acceptable. But if you did give
me a vote, and I don't have

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one, so LSU fans can rejoice, But if you did give me a

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vote, I would go. Michael
Pennix won, Jaden Daniels a very close

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second, and Bonix of Oregon third. All right, get a hit on

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the Mountain West Championship game and also
USC's defensive coordinator higher in a little bit.

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other side of our PAC twelve Championship
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Mountain West so Spencer Danielson got named
the permanent head coach at Boise State,

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and well he should because as soon
as Boise State fired Andy Avolos and Danielson

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became the head coach, the Broncos
have been a completely different team. They

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roared to the finish line, getting
to the Mountain West Championship game, and

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then they thumped UNLV in Las Vegas
to bring home another conference title. You

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know, Boise State just delivered authoritative
statements down the stretch, and you know,

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as we look at the Mountain West
season in review, and you know,

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if you've been following our podcast,
you know the story. But if

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you haven't been listing every week,
you know, this is the simple summary

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of the Mountain West season. Air
Force and Fresno State were the two best

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teams in the conference through November four, and then in the in the last

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month of the season, just everything
flipped. Air Force and Fresno State imploded,

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lost multiple games. UNLV kept coming
on, was very consistent, got

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the number one seed in the conference, hosted this championship game, but Boise

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State made that late stretch run.
And with Fresno State, you know,

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losing multiple games, Boise State had
lost to Fresno State on the road.

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But with Fresno State's collapse, you
know, that tiebreaker, that head to

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head which favored Fresno State was no
longer in play, Boise State able to

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get into the title game and then
make the most of it, just absolutely

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demolishing UNLV. It was one way
traffic pretty much the whole way through.

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And so now Boise State fans enter
twenty twenty four thinking, you know what,

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We're back to being ourselves. We're
back to being the big chief in

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our conference. And with Avalos no
longer a board, Spencer Danielson now guiding

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the program, you know, Boise
State fans have a reason to think that,

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hey, we can get back to
being what we expect to be,

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and that is a ten win program, a program which has a chance to

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win the Group of five championship.
You know, the past few years this

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has not been the Mountain West's title
to win. You know, we had

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Tulane last year, now Liberty this
year. SMU feeling wronged that it should

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have been the Group of five champion
because Liberty did not play a single Power

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five opponent. You know, so
the Mountain West you know, definitely wants

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to get back in that group of
five championship winner circle, and Boise State

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could be the team to do it
next year with Spencer Danielson really reviving that

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team after Andy Avolos was fired.
And and you know, that's also a

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reminder that you know, if coaching, if firing coaches in the middle of

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a season seems harsh, You know, when you have the expectations that Boise

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State rightly does, and you see
that ship sailing in the wrong direction,

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you cannot wait. You cannot wait, at least, you know, before

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the season's over, or at least
before all your dreams and your goals die.

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Make that move. You know,
if you can still win the conference,

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if you can still get into the
conference championship game, if you can

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still make a New Year's Six Bowl, and firing the coach in the middle

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of the season will help you do
that. You know, at a program

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which expects football success, you need
to pull the trigger. And so Boise

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State's athletic director Jeremiah Dickey, but
he was right on top of it,

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made the move in time to rescue
the season. Spencer Danielson coaches the heck

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out of that team, and now
Boise State is the Mountain West champion.

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It's going to be a really an
interesting Los Angeles Bowl against UCLA. And

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that's the segue to our other remaining
topic on the Get Off My Pylon College

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Football podcast, and that is UCLA
losing its defensive coordinator de'anton Lynn to USC.

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The Trojans swoop in and poach D'Anton
lynn from Chip Kelly and UCLA,

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and we have to just say it
that because UCLA did not fire Chip Kelly

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after getting firebombed thirty three to seven
by Cal on Thanksgiving weekend. You know,

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by not firing Chip Kelly, you
saw a portal exodus from the Bruins.

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You saw a lot of players leave
the program. You saw fans express

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their displeasure with you, with UCLA
and athletic director Martin Jarmond for retaining Chip.

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So de'anton lynn looks at everything happening
in Westwood with the Bruins and he

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says, you know what, next
year is not gonna be fun. Next

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year is likely to be miserable with
Chip Kelly, you know, staying around,

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I'm gonna jump off this ship,
and I'm gonna jump off this ship,

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but I'm gonna stay in Los Angeles, so I don't have to uproot

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my situation. I don't have to
uproot my family, but I'll have a

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chance to maybe compete for a national
championship and I'll be able to compete against

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the best of the best in the
Big Ten. And hey, de'anton Lynn,

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you know, he's already made connections
with Southern California based high school coaches

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and programs because of his work at
UCLA. So like, he doesn't have

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to meet these coaches anew, he
already has relationships with them. And so

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what a coup for USC and Lincoln
Riley to get a guy who has the

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x n O acumen of Dean tong
Lynn. You know, UCLA was number

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eleven in total defense this season after
being eighty nine the year before. That's

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a massive jump. UCLA very strong
in run defense. This season. UCLA

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was tough and it was physical.
UCLA's defense smothered USC's offense, smothered Lincoln

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Riley's offense. So Lincoln Riley not
only gets a coach who knows how to

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teach tough, physical defense, but
you know, because of what de'anton Lynn

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did to Lincoln Riley's offense, Lincoln
Riley has a guy who can, you

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know, work with him in the
room and play a role in self scouting.

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You know, D'Anton lynn can tell
Lincoln Riley, Hey, this is

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how I attacked your offense. This
is how I broke down and solved your

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offense with Caleb Williams. Here's what
other Big ten defensive coordinators are likely to

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do against your offense. I can
help you self scout, and I can

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help you come up with solutions,
you know, for making your offense harder

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to predict, harder to defend.
So Lincoln Riley's getting an X and O

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guy. He's getting a self scouting
guy. He's getting a guy who already

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knows the Los Angeles and Southern California
high school football recruiting landscape. He gets

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a young guy. D'Anton Lynn is
thirty four years old, so he's going

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to be a hungry, passionate recruiter. De'anton lynn has an NFL experience,

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including and especially with the Baltimore Ravens. So if you're a defensive prospect,

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whether on the recruiting trail or in
the transfer portal, you're going to look

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at D'Anton Lennon's and say, hey, whoa that guy? Coached Baltimore Ravens

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safeties. That's a guy for me. That's the guy who's going to help

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me get to the NFL. So
even though D'Anton lynn doesn't have this long

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recruiting track record because he was an
NFL assistant for several years before spending his

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one year at UCLA, he doesn't
have a lot of recruiting scalps on the

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resume, but his NFL portfolio that
is going to recruit itself. That is

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going to be an effective recruiting tool. And D'Anton lynn at thirty four,

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he's going to really get after on
the trail. He's not going to be

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one of those coordinators who is just
going to focus on the x's and o's

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while other staffers go out and do
the recruiting. You know, hypothetical,

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if USC had hired Tom Allen for
really the head coach of Indiana as its

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defensive coordinator. You know, so
Tom Allen wouldn't have those built in relationships

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with southern California high school coaches.
Tom Allen might not have been nearly as

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much of a hands on recruiter and
and you know, so it would have

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been up to position coaches on the
defensive side of the ball. Uh,

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you know, to be filled in
on the staff. Uh, you know,

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to comprise the rest of the staff
and be the guys who were more

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of the lead recruiters on defense.
Just as a hypothetical, that's how it

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would have been with Tom Allen that
you you entrust a guy like Tom Allen,

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you know, an older, older
coordinator without Southern California connections, you

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could enable. You could just tell
Tom Allen say, hey, you go

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and coach the defense. We'll get
you some position coaches who will do the

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recruiting on the defensive side of the
ball. US. He could have done

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that and it would have been fine. But with de'anton lynn, you're really

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getting everything. You're getting the recruiting
piece as well as the X and O

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piece. You're getting a guy with
the NFL connections. Really a masterstroke by

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Lincoln Riley and what one should also
say, a moment which shows that yes,

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he's capable of hiring a really good
defensive coordinator. He's capable of making

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a decision which shows that he actually
takes defense seriously. I mean a lot

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of people doubted that Lincoln Riley was
capable of even this much. You know,

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and to a certain extent that's reasonable. It was reasonable to doubt Lincoln

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Riley because he held on to Alex
Grinch for so long. But nevertheless,

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like we all knew that he had
to eventually make a change. This defensive

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coordinator higher was going to reveal a
lot about Lincoln Riley. It's pretty clear

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that Lincoln Riley also USC Athletic Director
Jennifer Cohen passed the test. They passed

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the test in terms of bringing aboard
a serious defensive coordinator, also someone who's

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likely to be able to recruit in
Los Angeles, in southern California and establish

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the physical defense that the USC Trojans
have been missing. So like that is

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really impressive, and it also just
reminds us that UCLA should have fired chip

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Kelly. If UCLA had fired chip
Kelly, it probably would have promoted D'Anton

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lynn to head coach, and it
could have avoided this scenario with USC going

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to Westwood and poaching the Bruins defensive
coordinator. UCLA with Chip Kelly and without

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di'anton lynn, Chip is in a
world of hurt and so are the Bruins,

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and it is a real mess there
at UCLA. Fans Hey, you

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should just be focused on college basketball
right now. So those are the main

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stories from from the past weekend.
I know we have a bowl season.

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I'm gonna tell you I am not
particularly interested in this bowl season after seeing

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that Florida State snub and again you'll
get a bonus get off my pylon in

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a separate standalone episode. But this
bowl schedule and the way this bull process

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went down not very satisfying. It
was a real black eye, real black

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mark for college football. But we
will talk about the bowl games next week.

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We will deal with all the Pac
twelve bowl matchups and also some transfer,

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portal and coaching carousel storylines and themes. But for this week, you

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know, with Oregon losing again to
Washington, with the Huskies making the College

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Football Playoff, with Michael Pennix making
his case for the Heisman Trophy and bo

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Nix likely losing the award, and
then Boise State winning the Mountain West Championship,

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Spencer Danielson being elevated to a permanent
head coach in Boise with the Broncos,

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and then USC stealing away at UCLA's
defensive coordinator de'anton Lynn. But those

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are some big headline stories to talk
about in Western college football, and Western

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college football is what we talk about
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This is Matt Zemk. This has
been another edition of the Get Off My

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