WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.400 --> 00:00:04.040 How welcome you are to involuntary permanence. We' re in Acapulco, well, 2 00:00:04.200 --> 00:00:06.679 I' m in Acapulco, which makes no sense and doesn' t 3 00:00:07.080 --> 00:00:10.039 matter, because for practical purposes of the program we' re not covering anything, 4 00:00:10.039 --> 00:00:13.720 nothing else. I happen to be here. And, well, let 5 00:00:13.800 --> 00:00:20.559 ' s talk about back to black civil war and White on set of the 6 00:00:20.559 --> 00:00:23.120 fifth episode, mainly although Pack saw it too, I already started seeing it. 7 00:00:23.239 --> 00:00:26.879 Then we can exchange views on everything that' s happened in show business. 8 00:00:27.960 --> 00:00:35.439 And well, as always, well, we start by listening to involuntary 9 00:00:35.640 --> 00:00:53.600 permanence with fausto ponce how they are. Thanks to the people who are with 10 00:00:53.640 --> 00:00:58.280 us today fight transmission so that it reaches more people and good should not acapulco. 11 00:00:59.039 --> 00:01:00.399 Whether Carlos Andrés says it or not, he brought me from the fight. 12 00:01:00.840 --> 00:01:04.519 I come there with the saga, the saga to broadcast the show. 13 00:01:04.599 --> 00:01:07.359 He told me to tell, because to the chance that he was here and 14 00:01:07.359 --> 00:01:12.920 from here we are going to make involuntary permanence. But Carlos Andrés gave me 15 00:01:12.920 --> 00:01:15.400 the one why you say Paco looks like a jolot, because you' re 16 00:01:15.480 --> 00:01:21.879 telling him soup, not because Paco belongs to a group or something, so 17 00:01:21.920 --> 00:01:27.319 I understand nothing. Paco' s a boy, he' s very nothing 18 00:01:27.400 --> 00:01:33.920 on the ballots. No yes, I' m telling you with cause paus 19 00:01:33.959 --> 00:01:38.599 It' s nothing more like that, it' s true it came down 20 00:01:38.599 --> 00:01:41.319 this that they' re saying hello to you. Yeah, yeah. I 21 00:01:42.200 --> 00:01:48.439 ' m part of an atation team called jolotitos, m the largest equipración in 22 00:01:48.519 --> 00:01:55.640 Mexico, lgb ok oye está bajolantitos. It' s good, it' 23 00:01:55.640 --> 00:01:59.319 s good. Thank you, spirit and you believe it. I mean, 24 00:01:59.319 --> 00:02:01.359 after jolodio, there' s no, there' s no other grade. 25 00:02:01.439 --> 00:02:07.760 No, no, thanks, we' re the best. Then there' 26 00:02:07.760 --> 00:02:10.840 s no one better. All right. You think it' s perfect. 27 00:02:10.879 --> 00:02:17.039 You guys hear, so taking advantage of the fact that you saw quaiton set 28 00:02:17.080 --> 00:02:21.159 and that Carlos Andes Mendio wanted to tell Daniel ben Ming about it, he 29 00:02:21.400 --> 00:02:22.479 ' s here and we' ll put it in you, but let' 30 00:02:22.479 --> 00:02:24.479 s start with that one. No quaiton set is already available on Max they 31 00:02:24.520 --> 00:02:30.199 advanced it, which is great. And it' s not only amazing because 32 00:02:30.280 --> 00:02:32.000 they' ve advanced it, but also because there' s already fifth episode. 33 00:02:32.000 --> 00:02:36.599 There were only four and after Drake' s echo, because they said 34 00:02:36.639 --> 00:02:40.439 we' re going to do another episode, and there' s the fifth 35 00:02:40.560 --> 00:02:44.919 episode, this episode then focuses on who and what. Carlos Andrés nine, 36 00:02:46.759 --> 00:02:53.520 this episode is called breaking the silence and now that we see it, it 37 00:02:53.639 --> 00:02:57.840 makes a lot of sense why this episode comes and why it takes a few 38 00:02:57.919 --> 00:03:02.599 weeks to arrive. This episode focuses on the reactions of the first four episodes. 39 00:03:05.439 --> 00:03:08.960 In general terms, he talks a little bit about reactions on social networks, 40 00:03:09.360 --> 00:03:16.199 on the media among those involved themselves, and then, specifically, he 41 00:03:16.199 --> 00:03:21.520 talks to Drake Bell again. This episode has a driver who is journalist Soledad 42 00:03:21.599 --> 00:03:25.879 or Brian, and then she talks to Drake Bal to talk about why she 43 00:03:25.960 --> 00:03:32.479 spoke. Because at this moment a little bit what is suddenly questioned in relation 44 00:03:32.520 --> 00:03:38.879 to all the people who have made some denunciation of there, but why right 45 00:03:38.960 --> 00:03:42.280 now, why didn' t you speak at that moment, like all these 46 00:03:42.280 --> 00:03:50.680 criticisms around. So, well, you talk to Drake about precisely this and 47 00:03:50.840 --> 00:03:54.319 he' s looking to say round up a little bit more of what he 48 00:03:54.360 --> 00:03:58.879 had said, not how his relationship with his parents is. Now that he 49 00:03:58.879 --> 00:04:02.319 ' s at it, how he' s so trying to solve all this 50 00:04:02.360 --> 00:04:04.680 that he already mentions a little bit with his music. And, in addition 51 00:04:04.800 --> 00:04:12.800 to having Drakeball in this episode, they also invite back Giovanni Samuels and Brian 52 00:04:12.879 --> 00:04:16.879 Heart, who are two of the members of Oldut, because also to see 53 00:04:16.920 --> 00:04:20.439 a little how the reaction has been with them, how they feel, how, 54 00:04:21.000 --> 00:04:29.040 because they lived all this impact from over Waltming to what he calls overwhelming, 55 00:04:29.920 --> 00:04:35.839 which is all this at the beginning justly and, for example, one 56 00:04:35.839 --> 00:04:40.040 thing I like from them is that they say we are good, not to 57 00:04:40.040 --> 00:04:42.480 say yes, we have a bad time, if there are certain things, 58 00:04:42.839 --> 00:04:46.399 but we are good. Something very interesting they do. I didn' t 59 00:04:46.399 --> 00:04:56.720 know what this had happened is that Dunshngder gives an interview after the first episodes 60 00:04:56.759 --> 00:05:03.560 and then confront, confront what Runchon says against what they think in terms of, 61 00:05:03.759 --> 00:05:09.920 for example, racism. And it has some issues that are, then, 62 00:05:10.160 --> 00:05:14.759 very specific and I think very revealing and that contribute a lot to these 63 00:05:15.120 --> 00:05:19.160 episodes, because, for example, in terms of racism, they say yes, 64 00:05:19.360 --> 00:05:24.560 yes, there were two children, black actors, but we were the 65 00:05:24.560 --> 00:05:27.120 only two. And when we say we were the only two? We didn 66 00:05:27.160 --> 00:05:32.439 ' t just mean that we were the only two in the picture, we 67 00:05:32.480 --> 00:05:38.920 were the only two everywhere. So that means that, of course we were 68 00:05:38.920 --> 00:05:44.360 there to give this feeling that there really is inclusion, but there is not, 69 00:05:45.079 --> 00:05:48.759 because, if there would not be more people also in production. Not 70 00:05:49.600 --> 00:05:53.560 something that, for example, caught my attention a lot and I had never 71 00:05:53.639 --> 00:05:58.879 thought about it that way and I don' t remember now specifically who says 72 00:05:58.879 --> 00:06:01.800 it. But mention that when you' re a black person, the first 73 00:06:01.879 --> 00:06:09.319 thing you do is count how many black people are there to see if it 74 00:06:09.480 --> 00:06:13.639 ' s really being included, if you' re the exception, like what 75 00:06:13.680 --> 00:06:15.279 your position is in front of all this, then it doesn' t have 76 00:06:15.279 --> 00:06:18.959 a little bit of all this. It also has other points that Bryan Peck 77 00:06:19.040 --> 00:06:25.240 is giving his position, something that I think is very important to talk about. 78 00:06:27.120 --> 00:06:32.040 Don' t give Shider forgive me either or what crazy, I mean, 79 00:06:32.720 --> 00:06:36.800 they interview him in the documentary, they are or they take back things 80 00:06:36.839 --> 00:06:40.199 he said in other media. That' s gone. Sorry, I lost 81 00:06:40.199 --> 00:06:43.920 a little bit. He gives an interview to another medium, to another clear 82 00:06:44.240 --> 00:06:47.959 medium, yes, yes, yes, where he says that he is no 83 00:06:48.000 --> 00:06:51.399 longer the same person and that he would no longer do the same and that 84 00:06:51.399 --> 00:06:56.879 he is very sorry. But, as I hear the testimonies at all from 85 00:06:57.000 --> 00:07:00.759 the first episode of the screenwriters, it makes me one thing that I mean, 86 00:07:00.839 --> 00:07:05.720 I don' t know if an apology suffices, but also, exactly, 87 00:07:05.800 --> 00:07:10.279 I don' t know if an apology is enough, but and that 88 00:07:10.279 --> 00:07:13.399 ' s just what they say is that the apology isn' t enough. 89 00:07:13.839 --> 00:07:18.600 Take responsibility for your one month you won' t let them forgive me, 90 00:07:18.879 --> 00:07:21.959 yes I did, it was wrong and then I offer you the apology. 91 00:07:23.199 --> 00:07:27.639 But otherwise it stays as I apologize. But it' s like half- 92 00:07:28.560 --> 00:07:30.800 knowing, and that' s also like one of the issues that' s 93 00:07:30.839 --> 00:07:38.959 out there, because even with Drake bal just enough to ask him questions, 94 00:07:39.959 --> 00:07:43.360 and some of these people are coming, some of those who sent letters to 95 00:07:43.439 --> 00:07:47.399 support, for example, Brian Peck has approached you later and Drake Bales' 96 00:07:47.399 --> 00:07:54.519 answer. No one, without some of them have expressed on social networks and 97 00:07:54.560 --> 00:07:58.480 others, but that they have gone to talk to him, that they have 98 00:07:58.519 --> 00:08:01.879 phoned him or that they have seen him no, because, because it is 99 00:08:01.680 --> 00:08:05.279 like very easy, not this part of woe, because I put Way in 100 00:08:05.319 --> 00:08:09.560 networks. I' m very sorry, excuse me, that you can also 101 00:08:09.560 --> 00:08:15.560 interpret it as well, because in the end, they are public figures and 102 00:08:15.600 --> 00:08:16.800 making an apology in networks will be more beautiful in terms of image. But 103 00:08:16.839 --> 00:08:22.319 really the person affected, as in this case Drake Bell, because it remains 104 00:08:22.319 --> 00:08:26.360 the same, not and of course, the episode mentions a lot. We 105 00:08:26.439 --> 00:08:31.199 don' t know what to do with these situations. We don' t 106 00:08:31.199 --> 00:08:35.639 know how to react, because they also ask him about Josh Peck that you 107 00:08:35.720 --> 00:08:39.840 ' ll remember, that there was like a lot of conversation around there, 108 00:08:39.840 --> 00:08:41.000 but why Josh Peck hasn' t said anything. But because Aha hasn' 109 00:08:41.080 --> 00:08:45.679 t done anything. And it' s also as if to see, but 110 00:08:45.799 --> 00:08:48.960 I was another child, I didn' t know what to do, how 111 00:08:50.519 --> 00:08:52.799 to react and talk to him, that is, it' s not that 112 00:08:52.799 --> 00:08:58.759 simple either. I imagine when you' re in there to be out there 113 00:08:58.879 --> 00:09:03.360 and thinking about what people should or shouldn' t be doing in relation to 114 00:09:03.360 --> 00:09:07.039 the victims. No, for example, then these elements that are part of 115 00:09:07.159 --> 00:09:11.120 the episode, I think they are part of how valuable the episode is, 116 00:09:11.639 --> 00:09:13.840 because we don' t talk so much about it. We don' t 117 00:09:15.120 --> 00:09:20.240 discuss it as much as we focus more on the victims and the perpetrators and 118 00:09:20.320 --> 00:09:24.240 everything legal and so on, but not on the effects, not on the 119 00:09:24.320 --> 00:09:28.840 later, not on the accountability, not on how. Maybe reacting that it 120 00:09:28.919 --> 00:09:31.360 ' s just telling him he hears because he wasn' t aware. I 121 00:09:31.399 --> 00:09:35.759 ' m sorry you have my support and if you were aware, as is 122 00:09:35.840 --> 00:09:39.840 the case with Danshneider, it' s nothing else to offer you an apology. 123 00:09:39.120 --> 00:09:45.120 So assume what you did and move on. No, then there' 124 00:09:45.279 --> 00:09:50.159 s all this. They have an additional interview, which is with Shane Lions, 125 00:09:50.639 --> 00:09:54.200 another actor who was in Oldhat, who is already retired, who today 126 00:09:54.240 --> 00:09:58.039 is a chet and who well he will give his testimony, to tell a 127 00:09:58.080 --> 00:10:03.279 little his point of view, which I think adds a little to, since 128 00:10:05.399 --> 00:10:09.000 other perspectives. Not because Shane Lyons may be his name today, white, 129 00:10:09.919 --> 00:10:13.159 for example. And if they realize and if you tell us, for example, 130 00:10:13.320 --> 00:10:18.200 of Dash Nighder, for if it was very charismatic, but there were 131 00:10:18.279 --> 00:10:22.440 many things that made them inappropriate, like suddenly being making comments from male sex 132 00:10:22.480 --> 00:10:28.159 organs, yes, in front of children. It' s not from then 133 00:10:28.159 --> 00:10:31.720 on, like I didn' t even understand what was going on in the 134 00:10:31.759 --> 00:10:33.240 first episode is what he says I don' t know. There are many 135 00:10:33.240 --> 00:10:37.919 double- sense references that creators are aware of and when the executive arrives, 136 00:10:37.480 --> 00:10:43.720 or see the executive episode and hear this word that is that double- sense. 137 00:10:45.200 --> 00:10:48.639 Not how you think, Dann Schnetd said, and he got dizzy. 138 00:10:48.360 --> 00:10:54.320 Don' t imagine, for I would say I imagined it there as boring 139 00:10:54.720 --> 00:11:01.679 there this one I don' t know if if this character named Elbert has 140 00:11:01.799 --> 00:11:03.879 to do with an albur no, how do you think why you think it 141 00:11:03.879 --> 00:11:07.240 also the executives. No, not half- weather or that I had the 142 00:11:07.279 --> 00:11:11.000 character to this People boyd and in fact, Dan Shneider says so in the 143 00:11:11.080 --> 00:11:13.080 interview and they reply to me no. No. No. No. No. 144 00:11:13.120 --> 00:11:16.639 Of course we didn' t have that intention. It' s the 145 00:11:16.720 --> 00:11:20.159 adults of today who are interpreting this like this and say no. No. 146 00:11:20.159 --> 00:11:22.799 No. No, we are the adults of today, because also the screenwriters, 147 00:11:24.480 --> 00:11:30.360 also others of those who give their testimony justly, because it mentions not 148 00:11:30.440 --> 00:11:31.960 as he had like this double game. No, no, no, of 149 00:11:33.000 --> 00:11:39.639 course not everything is very innocent, but he then in front of them or 150 00:11:39.759 --> 00:11:46.440 with the clear production that made these jokes and like this game I' m 151 00:11:46.480 --> 00:11:56.240 going to get away with, making these sex jokes and using these kids to 152 00:11:56.559 --> 00:12:01.320 tell them. And there comes a number of questions around. No, then, 153 00:12:01.799 --> 00:12:05.639 all this is in the episode, which is fine. There' s 154 00:12:05.759 --> 00:12:11.080 a very nice time too because Brian Heart to me hadn' t made it 155 00:12:11.639 --> 00:12:16.440 so clear that he' s a color actor. He was a teenager when 156 00:12:16.480 --> 00:12:20.759 he was in the episode and unlike other children for other reasons. His mom 157 00:12:20.840 --> 00:12:24.200 was there. His mom was there all the time and his mom complains, 158 00:12:24.519 --> 00:12:30.679 she says like this isn' t very suitable, like what. So that 159 00:12:30.759 --> 00:12:33.519 ' s the kid, that' s the kid that in the first season, 160 00:12:33.840 --> 00:12:37.519 well sorry, the first episode, they dress him up there like a 161 00:12:37.559 --> 00:12:41.320 superhero with a nose that looks like a member. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 162 00:12:41.600 --> 00:12:45.679 that' s it, and the little I think the executives said oh 163 00:12:45.679 --> 00:12:48.480 yeah,' cause I' m the one who' s dirty, that 164 00:12:48.480 --> 00:12:50.759 ' s the one who' s got the concocting mind and the writers are 165 00:12:50.759 --> 00:12:52.440 super innocent. It' s the one they dress like that. I remember 166 00:12:52.440 --> 00:12:58.679 well, also in some episode it ends up muddy like peanut butter and then 167 00:12:58.799 --> 00:13:01.759 go dogs to the market peanut butter. So it' s clear that all 168 00:13:01.960 --> 00:13:11.559 this is wrong and then they end up saying goodbye to him all of a 169 00:13:11.639 --> 00:13:18.240 sudden for the next season, you go to the kid, the teenager gets 170 00:13:18.279 --> 00:13:20.960 fired because the mom just hears that this thing about him getting dressed, as 171 00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:24.279 well as that this thing about being swept away like something' s not so 172 00:13:24.279 --> 00:13:28.159 good here. Not even if I remember well, the mom is the one 173 00:13:28.320 --> 00:13:33.360 who comments a little bit about I think I don' t remember if it 174 00:13:33.360 --> 00:13:37.399 was good, about any of them and she says like I don' t 175 00:13:37.519 --> 00:13:41.279 see it so well that suddenly she kind of touches my son a lot as 176 00:13:41.320 --> 00:13:43.360 and the answer is there' s that she' s gay. So it 177 00:13:43.399 --> 00:13:46.799 ' s like more tochi not like you say to see if everything feels good, 178 00:13:48.039 --> 00:13:50.159 because it' s not okay, no, but good. The point 179 00:13:50.200 --> 00:13:56.639 is that they fire him and that breaks the relationship between the mother and the 180 00:13:56.720 --> 00:14:01.000 son and they tell you in this episode, how it goes, regardless of 181 00:14:01.039 --> 00:14:07.519 whether he' s still living there for a certain time, if it causes 182 00:14:09.440 --> 00:14:13.960 them emotionally this weight, because you took this opportunity away from me, you 183 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:16.120 separated me from the industry blah blah blah. And they were away and because 184 00:14:16.240 --> 00:14:22.000 of the series, just because from her see the grief of her son, 185 00:14:22.320 --> 00:14:26.960 seeing the grief in her mother, they come back into contact on Valentine' 186 00:14:28.039 --> 00:14:31.360 s Day. That' s very helpful, because I' m sending you 187 00:14:31.440 --> 00:14:33.559 a hug and that' s why you have a nice Valentine' s Day. 188 00:14:33.679 --> 00:14:41.000 One thing like that and the series serves as part of the whole objective 189 00:14:41.080 --> 00:14:45.840 of the episode so that they can be reconciled, they can be found again. 190 00:14:46.559 --> 00:14:52.480 It has some very emotional moments, just the episode as working in this 191 00:14:52.559 --> 00:14:58.960 sense, of why it is important to talk But, that is, it 192 00:15:00.120 --> 00:15:05.600 happened after thirty years. Almost thirty years, twenty or so. So many 193 00:15:05.679 --> 00:15:09.600 were fighting, that is, the mother and my son were almost talking to 194 00:15:09.639 --> 00:15:13.320 him for 20 years. Yeah. Yeah? Yeah? Yeah. This is 195 00:15:13.360 --> 00:15:18.440 terrifying because the effects that we see in reke Bell, in them, in 196 00:15:18.559 --> 00:15:24.279 other actors, actresses of these programs, because they have decades and that, 197 00:15:24.480 --> 00:15:30.600 by the way, notice that something that I learned after watching this episode seeing 198 00:15:30.720 --> 00:15:33.480 something more related to the series that is not mentioned in the series. I 199 00:15:33.480 --> 00:15:41.240 think this is something the series should mention. Many of these child actors signed 200 00:15:41.320 --> 00:15:48.559 confidentiality contracts at that time, or later Janet mccordy who is one of the 201 00:15:48.639 --> 00:15:52.879 girls who was there too and who does her biography, comments on it in 202 00:15:52.960 --> 00:15:56.600 another interview and says that at some point, since she had already stopped working 203 00:15:56.679 --> 00:16:00.440 in the production, they talk to her and tell her listen we want to 204 00:16:00.440 --> 00:16:03.919 offer you a confidentiality contract, as to already leave some things behind. No, 205 00:16:04.360 --> 00:16:07.960 and we offer you something like$ 300, 000 out there, no. 206 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:12.360 Yeah. Then she tells them no. I don' t even want 207 00:16:12.399 --> 00:16:18.600 to get my book out. She takes out her autobiography and obviously doesn' 208 00:16:18.600 --> 00:16:22.000 t sign them. But that certainly explains why many others have not spoken, 209 00:16:22.480 --> 00:16:30.960 because they cannot. They have a confidentiality contract, because it' s a 210 00:16:30.080 --> 00:16:33.120 terrible manure manure there, that is, and it hurts, that is, 211 00:16:33.120 --> 00:16:36.240 it' s painful. And the second episode I started watching starts with the 212 00:16:36.320 --> 00:16:38.919 story of one of the girls who was on the w show. Amandavins. 213 00:16:40.480 --> 00:16:42.720 I think she' s a granny. I forgot he didn' t arm, 214 00:16:44.240 --> 00:16:47.639 I mean, I don' t say band bains to grandma, but 215 00:16:47.639 --> 00:16:49.399 another girl who was like a kind of not extra for having a small role. 216 00:16:51.600 --> 00:16:55.279 Woe to the one they replace, who casts himself now, is the 217 00:16:55.279 --> 00:16:57.399 first, do not lick, says the one they replace. It' s 218 00:16:57.440 --> 00:17:03.000 the first episode. According to me, there' s another little Güerita girl 219 00:17:03.039 --> 00:17:03.759 who says her mom didn' t have any. According to this he had 220 00:17:03.880 --> 00:17:08.759 no important role and sends him a photo of a sex predator. He ends 221 00:17:08.799 --> 00:17:15.400 up not wanting to know anything about the industry exactly, that is, that 222 00:17:15.480 --> 00:17:18.079 is very painful. The poor girl' s career is over and the desire 223 00:17:18.119 --> 00:17:22.799 to be on television is over. Paco what you think of all this, 224 00:17:26.680 --> 00:17:30.079 but it is a series that that kind of series and any work that is 225 00:17:30.079 --> 00:17:34.200 of the denunciation that we give to the victims is necessary and it seems to 226 00:17:34.240 --> 00:17:41.720 me that, beyond any creative technical situation that can be criticized or otherwise, 227 00:17:42.079 --> 00:17:47.079 I think that the fact of giving voice and focus to these cases seems to 228 00:17:47.319 --> 00:17:48.759 me very important, legitimate and that it has to continue to be done. 229 00:17:51.279 --> 00:17:57.160 Yeah, I think it' s kind of problematic the work as such the 230 00:17:57.200 --> 00:18:03.599 time to choose, like your testimonies and the lines you want to follow in 231 00:18:03.599 --> 00:18:08.039 this story. The fact that just like they concentrate a lot on those who 232 00:18:08.039 --> 00:18:14.359 episodes in Ryan Peck and leave Jason Handy aside a bit or is the chonel 233 00:18:14.440 --> 00:18:18.839 that touch them as a reference, being that also, because they are criminals 234 00:18:18.920 --> 00:18:26.480 who were convicted for their actions of paedophilia and also, therefore, a little 235 00:18:26.519 --> 00:18:30.680 bit the whole part, because of darsh Nyder, because it is to go 236 00:18:30.759 --> 00:18:33.640 more for the gossip than for the facts of what we are seeing. It 237 00:18:33.640 --> 00:18:37.200 ' s like not really no, not the fact that he' s not 238 00:18:37.319 --> 00:18:40.880 a bad person, but rather that there was a bit of a distortion there 239 00:18:40.920 --> 00:18:42.839 about what they were telling. But what gets me a little bit off the 240 00:18:42.920 --> 00:18:48.920 hook is, then, the choice of how they approach Drake Bell' s 241 00:18:48.000 --> 00:18:52.559 theme, which, of course, is kind of a complex one, because, 242 00:18:52.000 --> 00:18:57.599 of course, an empathizes very well with his story. It is very 243 00:18:57.599 --> 00:19:03.400 sad what happens to Drake Bell in his youthful years at the time of being 244 00:19:03.440 --> 00:19:08.400 in this company, in these programs. But then, well, not Drake, 245 00:19:08.480 --> 00:19:15.480 he' s also become a perpetrator and he' s actually accused of 246 00:19:15.480 --> 00:19:22.759 abuse also for other minors in the United States and for those who live right 247 00:19:22.759 --> 00:19:25.759 now here in Mexico, No, because there are several. It' s 248 00:19:25.920 --> 00:19:33.359 just one, it' s not a complaint, it' s a complaint 249 00:19:33.359 --> 00:19:37.640 where he argues. He' s got several, he' s got several, 250 00:19:37.640 --> 00:19:38.400 yeah, he' s got several. This is like the one that 251 00:19:38.400 --> 00:19:41.559 ' s been sounded the most, but there have been several girls who haven 252 00:19:41.599 --> 00:19:45.400 ' t reported themselves. Not formally, but it was like when the sun 253 00:19:45.440 --> 00:19:48.880 came out. All this was like a scandal a little bigger than it just 254 00:19:48.960 --> 00:19:55.519 caused him to get out of there, sure, and because that' s 255 00:19:55.640 --> 00:19:59.559 what provokes him this and I say to you, I think they heard your 256 00:19:59.680 --> 00:20:03.359 testimonies as a victim. It is very valid and it is good that you 257 00:20:03.400 --> 00:20:06.039 can externalize it and that you can tell your story. However, I think 258 00:20:06.079 --> 00:20:08.440 it' s very problematic because of the approach you have a little bit, 259 00:20:10.880 --> 00:20:15.279 the documentary, the putting it here and then nothing more from your interview, 260 00:20:15.519 --> 00:20:21.680 as they minimize a little bit to Drake' s victims by saying that saying 261 00:20:22.240 --> 00:20:26.839 that Drake was sexually abused, he did contribute more, but that was by 262 00:20:26.839 --> 00:20:30.759 messages. I think that the fact that they minimize these actions so much seems 263 00:20:30.799 --> 00:20:38.680 to me very contradictory to what they want to have and also a lot to 264 00:20:40.000 --> 00:20:44.680 do with the approach yes, of this type of documentaries or Lotus series, 265 00:20:44.920 --> 00:20:48.599 because, yes, you are, because minimizing the victim. That' s 266 00:20:48.640 --> 00:20:51.480 not how I' m going to tell you how well no one took Drake 267 00:20:51.519 --> 00:20:56.279 to see him apologize. Imagine also how Drake' s victims tell you to 268 00:20:56.279 --> 00:21:00.480 watch this kind of documentaries and see that he, because you' re getting 269 00:21:00.559 --> 00:21:06.720 angry and so that his case is simply shortened in a line after his interview 270 00:21:06.759 --> 00:21:07.960 to say that well, it wasn' t so rave because it was a 271 00:21:08.039 --> 00:21:14.480 text message. I think that kind of detail shows little empathy, a little 272 00:21:14.519 --> 00:21:17.720 of what we' re talking about in general, about these harassment issues. 273 00:21:18.359 --> 00:21:22.319 However, that' s why I think it' s problematic. There I 274 00:21:22.240 --> 00:21:26.799 was generated as a lot of trouble to see the kind of details, because 275 00:21:26.799 --> 00:21:30.160 there were they made me of really half contradictory with everything in general, but 276 00:21:30.160 --> 00:21:32.720 I repeat again with what I started in my comment. I think it is 277 00:21:32.799 --> 00:21:37.559 very important that, whatever it is, these kinds of statements and these kinds 278 00:21:37.559 --> 00:21:41.359 of experiences come out and that they are denunciations that what is being done and 279 00:21:41.400 --> 00:21:45.440 that, well, that people know that this happens and that they not only 280 00:21:45.519 --> 00:21:48.359 know, but that they also take class in the matter of what is happening, 281 00:21:48.480 --> 00:21:55.559 that that is very important. The fact that you realize how these big 282 00:21:55.599 --> 00:22:02.640 channels operate, big production chains, it' s very sad and it' 283 00:22:02.680 --> 00:22:06.000 s something that we know, it' s a secret to the end, 284 00:22:06.160 --> 00:22:07.880 that we all know and think it operates that way. But at the same 285 00:22:07.920 --> 00:22:11.559 time, we do not do much to stop it. And it is something 286 00:22:11.640 --> 00:22:18.119 that sadly, surely continues to happen in many parts, and for it is 287 00:22:18.119 --> 00:22:19.839 very sad that it happens. But as these kinds of jobs and people keep 288 00:22:19.920 --> 00:22:25.960 raising their voices with their cases and risking their careers, arresting their integrity, 289 00:22:26.000 --> 00:22:30.440 risking all their status that they may have had just to tell their story, 290 00:22:30.880 --> 00:22:34.279 it seems to me very commendable and I think it is just the most important 291 00:22:34.359 --> 00:22:38.960 thing that these victims can have the spotlight right now and that their story can 292 00:22:40.000 --> 00:22:45.079 be heard, because perhaps at the time no one wanted to hear them. 293 00:22:47.119 --> 00:22:52.880 Then I think maybe the ear is too late for the others to hear. 294 00:22:52.680 --> 00:22:56.519 But I think it' s never too late to tell your story, so 295 00:22:56.519 --> 00:23:00.960 I can start healing. And I think it' s important what you' 296 00:23:00.039 --> 00:23:03.519 d say this is that Drake Ball, that is, the approach they took 297 00:23:03.519 --> 00:23:07.000 with Drabeck, should have been different. That' s what you' re 298 00:23:07.400 --> 00:23:07.880 saying, yeah, I think I think so. I mean, I think 299 00:23:07.920 --> 00:23:11.279 it' s very important how good he told his story. I think it 300 00:23:11.359 --> 00:23:14.759 is essential that they have counted it, because it is one of the most 301 00:23:14.799 --> 00:23:18.319 serious cases within all those who are counting, obviously, and of the saddest 302 00:23:18.440 --> 00:23:26.200 to hear it is devastating. But I think if you' re making a 303 00:23:26.359 --> 00:23:33.400 series or a documentary that denounces stalkers and you know that your victim is also 304 00:23:33.559 --> 00:23:37.880 a victim, because he must also show empathy for the victims of that person, 305 00:23:38.119 --> 00:23:41.519 I think that' s where he is now. It' s just, 306 00:23:41.559 --> 00:23:44.799 I don' t know, we' ll have to see the other 307 00:23:44.799 --> 00:23:45.279 people, that' s physical abuse. Yeah, I mean, he' 308 00:23:45.279 --> 00:23:52.319 s got an ex- wife and an ex- partner and the other person 309 00:23:52.359 --> 00:23:55.160 on the Internet, where he sends the messages. That' s either he 310 00:23:55.160 --> 00:24:00.200 could be there, that is, because he could have claimed that he was 311 00:24:00.200 --> 00:24:03.279 a minor. There you don' t have how much form it is he 312 00:24:03.319 --> 00:24:07.039 said she said, but finally he paid the sentence, that is, finally 313 00:24:07.079 --> 00:24:11.680 there he faced justice, that is to say there he would have to see 314 00:24:11.720 --> 00:24:12.240 then the other accusers and he already has a pattern. Finally, I' 315 00:24:12.240 --> 00:24:15.279 m sure you have a pattern of physical abuse. Probably yes, there are 316 00:24:15.359 --> 00:24:19.880 two more people who accuse him I don' t know the other side, 317 00:24:21.599 --> 00:24:26.680 because usually the patterns always of behavior, they can if they happen in small 318 00:24:26.680 --> 00:24:30.319 or there are certain circumstances, the perpetrator usually is a victim and victim at 319 00:24:30.319 --> 00:24:36.880 the same time when not always, but it can happen that he comes to 320 00:24:36.920 --> 00:24:41.079 the one that you already see that he has now a whole organization and works 321 00:24:41.119 --> 00:24:41.160 for victims of this type, that she obviously, was with Sergio Andrade. 322 00:24:41.599 --> 00:24:47.319 He just explains this and says that there is a percentage of the victims who, 323 00:24:47.559 --> 00:24:51.039 if they don' t work, that if they don' t go 324 00:24:51.039 --> 00:24:52.599 to therapy, then they are. I don' t know if the most 325 00:24:52.680 --> 00:24:57.279 correct word is condemned, but they' re going to repeat the pattern and 326 00:24:57.319 --> 00:25:02.359 they' re going to become perpetrators, yes, yes, but here I 327 00:25:02.400 --> 00:25:04.599 think it' s not what' s not like the issue of whether it 328 00:25:04.640 --> 00:25:07.400 ' s Drake' s fault or not as such, the fact of spadon, 329 00:25:07.799 --> 00:25:11.440 but rather as it' s production defects, the fact of how they 330 00:25:11.480 --> 00:25:15.279 show up in these kinds of situations. I don' t mean. That 331 00:25:15.319 --> 00:25:18.200 ' s where I tell you I think it' s where Mash doesn' 332 00:25:18.279 --> 00:25:19.240 t make me the subject of me continuing. I' m setting up a 333 00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:23.839 very empathetic story about harassment, but I also put you on a stalker who, 334 00:25:25.119 --> 00:25:30.079 of course, was also a victim, but I haven' t shown 335 00:25:30.079 --> 00:25:32.519 empathy for his victims since. In that part I think it fails, because, 336 00:25:32.880 --> 00:25:37.440 then, if it is not consistent with the message that it is wanting 337 00:25:37.559 --> 00:25:40.000 to convey clearly, of course, of course, because perhaps another approach, 338 00:25:40.160 --> 00:25:42.839 at least to have told him or that he light or at last, I 339 00:25:42.880 --> 00:25:48.640 mean, finally part of it is that I suddenly remembered myself angry because it 340 00:25:48.640 --> 00:25:49.039 was a refilion that they put nothing else, that is, they minimized it 341 00:25:49.039 --> 00:25:52.839 terrible. And if I mean, I put myself in the victim' s 342 00:25:52.039 --> 00:25:56.440 place and if it was me and I' m watching this and they minimize 343 00:25:56.440 --> 00:26:02.559 me to a note, not such a footer, practically from an interview, 344 00:26:02.759 --> 00:26:06.440 because I don' t know what courage it can be. Yeah, yeah, 345 00:26:06.519 --> 00:26:08.880 yeah, I get you a little bit, I don' t know 346 00:26:08.920 --> 00:26:11.759 what the victim of I don' t know how to take it. But, 347 00:26:12.079 --> 00:26:15.559 I mean, I' m finally telling you right there, I mean, 348 00:26:15.920 --> 00:26:18.039 finally already there, yes, he pleaded guilty. He suddenly says that 349 00:26:18.119 --> 00:26:22.599 ah I won' t stop to blame because I didn' t want to, 350 00:26:22.400 --> 00:26:27.359 I don' t know, but well, finally he did send what 351 00:26:27.400 --> 00:26:32.119 he sent, but again they said to listen too you didn' t say 352 00:26:32.200 --> 00:26:33.200 so how it is to suffix you with the apology of drash nightder that is, 353 00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:34.839 maybe that' s enough. It was you watching the curtain they put 354 00:26:34.960 --> 00:26:38.880 on him. We never know. No, but, because I think it 355 00:26:38.960 --> 00:26:44.160 ' s the kind of moral questions that this kind of series kind of wake 356 00:26:44.200 --> 00:26:48.000 up, it' s interesting because, obviously, everyone has their compass and 357 00:26:48.119 --> 00:26:52.880 their compass and each one points to different ways. But, I do believe 358 00:26:52.920 --> 00:26:55.759 that that is, that it would look a little more empathetic in general, 359 00:26:56.079 --> 00:27:00.240 at the time of this at the head of an intoxicated project. Sure, 360 00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:03.960 Daniel I saw, you saw her, Daddy to see she' s not 361 00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:07.039 here in snow you saw it, yeah, I didn' t see it 362 00:27:07.039 --> 00:27:11.160 all. In fact, I haven' t seen this last episode you' 363 00:27:11.160 --> 00:27:15.160 re commenting on. I agree very much with Paco. I feel about what 364 00:27:15.160 --> 00:27:18.519 they' re talking about that was how they wash my image. Help me 365 00:27:18.559 --> 00:27:22.920 wash my image for and I give you the interview that will close your documentary 366 00:27:23.000 --> 00:27:27.279 super well, because at the end of the day I say here Gloria Trevis, 367 00:27:27.559 --> 00:27:33.480 the best example. People love the returns of their childhood idols and the 368 00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:37.759 truth is that he' s been trying here in Mexico to have as his 369 00:27:38.759 --> 00:27:45.000 return, but that he' s used to other levels of income, to 370 00:27:45.039 --> 00:27:51.240 another totally bigger star system there. And this is the best trampoline he can 371 00:27:51.240 --> 00:27:56.400 have to get back to what he wants, which is to stay in the 372 00:27:56.400 --> 00:28:00.640 industry. And what better than like this poor victim who follows and I don 373 00:28:00.759 --> 00:28:03.440 ' t want to minimize what happened to him, because what happened to him 374 00:28:03.440 --> 00:28:08.400 is very ugly, but he' s going to be exploiting it that' 375 00:28:08.400 --> 00:28:11.119 s also something. It' s a very interesting edge. Well, if 376 00:28:11.279 --> 00:28:15.039 it' s already been so bad, why not exploit it that I think 377 00:28:15.039 --> 00:28:17.440 it' s in everything or it' s totally valid. If he wants 378 00:28:17.519 --> 00:28:21.400 to do it, let him do it, but the point is that they 379 00:28:21.440 --> 00:28:26.319 do minimize what he did, that I think you said it favos, that 380 00:28:26.359 --> 00:28:30.519 it' s just a lawsuit, that a lawsuit that I' m blushing 381 00:28:30.599 --> 00:28:33.599 is let' s say there' s an officer, but there were complaints 382 00:28:33.599 --> 00:28:36.160 and I even said there. Yeah, unfortunately, it' s just like 383 00:28:36.200 --> 00:28:38.359 Twitter rumor. Well, I hope it' s just a rumor that I 384 00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:44.599 had also started doing some scattered things here, but it was just when he 385 00:28:44.640 --> 00:28:47.640 started dating in Tebazteca and it kind of went out, it fell. So 386 00:28:47.799 --> 00:28:52.640 I' m not saying what happened, but if there was a rumor and 387 00:28:52.720 --> 00:28:56.480 there was already evidence that if it has a certain tendency, then I think 388 00:28:56.519 --> 00:29:03.079 yes, we should use this a little more and it is super difficult and 389 00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:07.680 rugged, but yes, I say so Ahorita Carlos said. I mean, 390 00:29:07.720 --> 00:29:11.200 normally, if there' s no support, there' s no therapy. 391 00:29:11.400 --> 00:29:17.880 Whoever suffered that usually becomes a victim. Then you can become an endless cycle, 392 00:29:17.960 --> 00:29:21.359 which is horrible and that' s why it' s good that the 393 00:29:21.359 --> 00:29:23.839 documentary is. Yeah, he' s not much of a father, that 394 00:29:23.839 --> 00:29:27.559 ' s because he was a victim and then he did things not on that 395 00:29:27.599 --> 00:29:29.640 scale, but we don' t know how far he could have gone. 396 00:29:30.079 --> 00:29:33.359 Then they' re like those chiaroscuros. But at the end of the day 397 00:29:33.440 --> 00:29:40.119 full and anything? That thing matters, no matter what scale. Yeah, 398 00:29:40.160 --> 00:29:45.680 well, here' s the thing. I think I think the subject awakens 399 00:29:45.759 --> 00:29:48.200 as it says, pays a little on the moral side. When it' 400 00:29:48.319 --> 00:29:52.559 s enough to see it, to suffer, that is, when you' 401 00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:55.960 re happy because the person pays or how much, because you could be in 402 00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:56.839 the house and not feel like you' ve got it, you could ask 403 00:29:56.839 --> 00:29:59.240 for a lot of money. I mean, it' s very complicated, 404 00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:02.599 I mean, I don' t know, I mean, yeah, I 405 00:30:02.759 --> 00:30:07.200 feel like I do think that I was a little down when he said I 406 00:30:07.240 --> 00:30:11.680 pleaded guilty because it was almost a strategy to get out, because the other 407 00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:15.279 person, I mean, did what he did and felt bad about someone else 408 00:30:15.319 --> 00:30:15.640 and because he knew or didn' t know he was a minor. That 409 00:30:15.680 --> 00:30:21.359 could be much more debatable, I mean, it could be much more serious 410 00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:25.119 than that. Yeah, they probably would, but they' d also have 411 00:30:25.160 --> 00:30:26.400 to see the patterns now. What I' m telling you is that if 412 00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:32.400 you have a couple of glaves, a woman has a couple complaints of abuse 413 00:30:32.400 --> 00:30:36.720 and a couple, that is, of physical abuse, then, then there, 414 00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:40.720 at least you have perhaps a pattern that is glimpsed now if together, 415 00:30:41.119 --> 00:30:44.640 if you find out that there are more situations in which he was acting in 416 00:30:44.680 --> 00:30:47.440 ways of harassment, then he is already a much bigger pattern. He never, 417 00:30:47.839 --> 00:30:51.680 never attended to it as well and also has to do with the agenda 418 00:30:51.759 --> 00:30:56.119 on the show, I mean, in the end the program has very clear 419 00:30:56.200 --> 00:31:03.000 that in one of the predators, the stalkers of star children in Hollywood, 420 00:31:03.480 --> 00:31:07.559 I mean, I agree super that maybe they should have gone a lot deeper 421 00:31:08.400 --> 00:31:12.200 into all this Drake Ball stuff. Wow, that would have been a very 422 00:31:12.319 --> 00:31:18.799 good hearing question. You' re asking Brian p Coallanshngder to take responsibility. 423 00:31:19.240 --> 00:31:22.400 You take responsibility, you take responsibility. No, because you have accusations, 424 00:31:23.079 --> 00:31:29.759 too. But because it wasn' t the focus and maybe then you should 425 00:31:29.799 --> 00:31:34.200 dedicate an episode to Drake Ball, truly a complete one. We' re 426 00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:40.480 going to tackle all the edges. But Goa is not the focus of the 427 00:31:40.519 --> 00:31:44.039 series. Not at the end, then. I agree. I think there 428 00:31:44.200 --> 00:31:48.039 are those mistakes in the series. I also think of it a little bit 429 00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:55.279 as production decisions that they have to make to achieve certain objectives. Remember also 430 00:31:55.319 --> 00:31:59.519 that this series is not supposed to be a series that you are thinking as 431 00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:05.319 we already have, not but that there is the intention that if new testimonies 432 00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:09.480 arise and new things arise that need to be told, we may have other 433 00:32:09.480 --> 00:32:13.240 episodes. Yeah, that' s what they say. Which is going to 434 00:32:13.240 --> 00:32:15.079 be a lot more stuff. I don' t know how to argue, 435 00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:17.640 I mean, I don' t think it' s a white dove, 436 00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:20.279 I mean, I' m touched by what happened to him. Then, 437 00:32:20.359 --> 00:32:23.680 obviously, he has a very dark moment that he is, that is, 438 00:32:23.680 --> 00:32:30.640 he went crazy. I' m not touched by that part and that part, 439 00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:31.759 because I don' t know. You' ll have to see what 440 00:32:31.839 --> 00:32:37.480 you' re responsible for. But, yeah, that' s interesting the 441 00:32:37.480 --> 00:32:38.960 point of view, the payment that was angry with the victim. I mean, 442 00:32:39.039 --> 00:32:43.200 Daniel has another, I have another, I mean, I think we 443 00:32:43.240 --> 00:32:47.440 finally agree that he does have, that is, he didn' t check 444 00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:52.519 out, and because he hurt there are people, that is because in addition, 445 00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:54.119 the series has no experts in the sense of psychologists. Not sometimes, 446 00:32:54.279 --> 00:32:59.559 that' s what he' d be missing so many. If not, 447 00:32:59.559 --> 00:33:02.440 no, no, that' s, it' s, it' s 448 00:33:02.680 --> 00:33:07.839 pretty interesting, yeah, totally, but, well, there' s the 449 00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:12.319 documentary, it' s good, these talkies pulling a lot of yarn out 450 00:33:12.400 --> 00:33:15.319 there I feel, that' s already in a structure term, I feel 451 00:33:15.400 --> 00:33:20.519 like they talk a lot of things and so it' s a lot of 452 00:33:20.599 --> 00:33:21.440 bombing and impact, that' s how knockout it beats you no, because 453 00:33:21.440 --> 00:33:22.319 it' s a lot of temites. There' s this, this other 454 00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:27.240 one, but, well, I feel I need a little more, a 455 00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:29.960 cohesion, a conclusion or a closure, at least not to sexist in the 456 00:33:30.039 --> 00:33:34.119 fifth, but yes, danash Night in the interview she gives, because she 457 00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:37.240 says no yes, I behaved very badly and would not do it again? 458 00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:39.519 But for what he is responsible for is what they talk about him, that 459 00:33:39.559 --> 00:33:44.039 is to say not to recognize that they are him and not to recognize that 460 00:33:44.079 --> 00:33:46.680 they are chis in a double sense and that he passed three villages, that 461 00:33:47.440 --> 00:33:52.240 is, that does not say neither Nike Lodion nor that lore It is not 462 00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:59.920 responsible for anything Nickelodeon winning the same message of attending to all the denunciations that 463 00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:00.759 has gone and we seek that there is the best possible environment in our sexes. 464 00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:04.799 And it' s over. That' s all they' ve said 465 00:34:04.839 --> 00:34:08.119 about it. Yes, there is a cannon and I tell you, that 466 00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:12.440 is, when I heard him speak, I said no, for he said 467 00:34:12.480 --> 00:34:13.920 well, because he recognized that he watered it and that he would not do 468 00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:16.639 it again. But, seeing all the comments, i e, she subdued 469 00:34:16.639 --> 00:34:20.800 it awfully to the screenwriters, i e, there was already a very strong 470 00:34:20.800 --> 00:34:24.119 misogynist issue. For example, I don' t know one of the interviews 471 00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:30.840 that are also very controversial, but it also seems to me how they were 472 00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:31.000 an important act of recognition. It' s one of the interviews they do 473 00:34:31.039 --> 00:34:36.000 with John Lennon. I forget what magazines it' s for, because it 474 00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:37.079 ' s for time. I don' t know, right now, I 475 00:34:37.159 --> 00:34:43.519 don' t remember, but he says I was very angry and I was 476 00:34:43.519 --> 00:34:47.280 a batterer of women, that is, of my sogen and batterer of women, 477 00:34:47.559 --> 00:34:50.760 and he confesses it already is a different guy, or that' s 478 00:34:50.800 --> 00:34:52.840 what happens, as it is, according to everything I' ve seen lately 479 00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:55.440 the documentaries and all I mean, he realizes this and I think he can 480 00:34:55.519 --> 00:34:58.480 transcend and he' s at peace with himself and he finds things. But 481 00:34:58.519 --> 00:35:00.639 there are still people who are angry. So what we were saying was how 482 00:35:01.360 --> 00:35:06.280 much you could forgive John Lennon for that, that is, if you recognize 483 00:35:06.280 --> 00:35:08.400 or know or what you need, that is to forgive the other person who 484 00:35:08.480 --> 00:35:15.840 says yes to you, so that what does happens to him? I think 485 00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:21.639 it' s depending on each person right now. Someone put the comments on 486 00:35:21.679 --> 00:35:24.400 it doesn' t even see who the Danielves case that as it' s 487 00:35:24.400 --> 00:35:29.480 already going to pay the victim, is already innocent, sounds horrible. But 488 00:35:29.559 --> 00:35:32.559 if the victim decides, I think it' s fair enough. At the 489 00:35:32.599 --> 00:35:37.519 end of the day, everyone knows what' s going to give him peace, 490 00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:40.079 maybe that money thing, it' s going to give him peace somehow, 491 00:35:40.360 --> 00:35:44.079 because he' s not going to have to worry about work or something 492 00:35:44.119 --> 00:35:46.159 like that or from the beginning it' s what he wanted, I mean, 493 00:35:46.400 --> 00:35:47.559 there' s always going to be edges. But if in the end 494 00:35:47.679 --> 00:35:52.239 the victim has something, he asks for something and that' s what he 495 00:35:52.280 --> 00:35:54.360 ' s given, because that' s a form of justice, then yes. 496 00:35:54.480 --> 00:35:59.239 It' s too rough. But every victim is going to say there 497 00:35:59.320 --> 00:36:00.960 are no victims, for example, with me you that what you say I 498 00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:05.719 don' t want money anymore, I want you to accept all the crap 499 00:36:05.840 --> 00:36:07.119 you did and with that you were happy. Well, I don' t 500 00:36:07.159 --> 00:36:12.159 know if happy is the word, but that gave them peace, then there 501 00:36:12.159 --> 00:36:14.480 will be. I think if every victim is who I have to say, 502 00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:20.320 I need X to be able to do that, that' s free him. 503 00:36:20.920 --> 00:36:25.320 Check it out. Mrs Edith Marquez, whom the influencer known as fofo, 504 00:36:25.639 --> 00:36:31.679 beat the lady who hit the fofo, said if he saw you maybe 505 00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:35.679 if they had asked for an apology, I know they were the reggae. 506 00:36:35.719 --> 00:36:38.920 I was my dumb ass. She wouldn' t have done anything, so 507 00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:42.000 it' s very interesting what you' re saying. Yeah, yeah, 508 00:36:42.119 --> 00:36:45.920 I think maybe maybe maybe maybe it doesn' t give a chance or it 509 00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:47.880 ' s the village. I don' t know,' cause that sounds 510 00:36:47.960 --> 00:36:52.079 pretty strong about what happened. But in another sense, another situation that you 511 00:36:52.119 --> 00:36:57.239 might consider less aggressive or less aggressive, two raits less aggressive, but two 512 00:36:57.400 --> 00:37:00.320 meres within the aggression maybe, with girlfriend excuse me I' m an idiot 513 00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:04.880 or I' m going too stupid, and the other person that you would 514 00:37:04.960 --> 00:37:07.639 have, I mean, maybe. Sometimes what we need is a recognition of 515 00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:09.199 each other and that hurt us. Or for you to be a little at 516 00:37:09.239 --> 00:37:13.920 peace and it' s ok Iba can be too. No, everyone' 517 00:37:13.960 --> 00:37:16.480 s the same, but it' s interesting how you wake up, how 518 00:37:16.719 --> 00:37:20.679 you think it' s not so serious, no, it' s not 519 00:37:20.960 --> 00:37:23.400 so serious, that is, yes, that is, but there are aggravators 520 00:37:23.400 --> 00:37:25.440 also in the law, that is, it' s not so serious one, 521 00:37:25.440 --> 00:37:28.440 because then there are aggravators. And it' s not the same harassment 522 00:37:28.440 --> 00:37:30.000 between two adults as a child thing. Or it' s not the same. 523 00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:34.400 No, when it' s like this, I get power. Anyway, 524 00:37:34.639 --> 00:37:37.199 I mean, I don' t know, I' d have to 525 00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:37.719 tell you about Drakevers. It' s not like I want to defend him. 526 00:37:38.280 --> 00:37:40.599 I think you are. I think he did minimize in the end, 527 00:37:40.800 --> 00:37:44.639 in the end, he minimized the photos he sent saying. It' s 528 00:37:44.719 --> 00:37:49.320 not that I did have to get guilty because I had to. Not good, 529 00:37:49.400 --> 00:37:53.239 well sure, yeah, or you overreacted. If you knew I was 530 00:37:53.239 --> 00:37:58.400 younger, then that sucks. If not good, then not a bad afternoon, 531 00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:01.719 but I already pay for it. But yes, no one wants to 532 00:38:01.800 --> 00:38:06.360 accept that we are villains. It is also clear that it is not easy 533 00:38:06.400 --> 00:38:14.239 to say whether I did this either. Not everything is easy either. It 534 00:38:14.280 --> 00:38:19.519 ' s not easy either. It definitely says what' s up. It 535 00:38:19.519 --> 00:38:22.119 ' s a message we' re hearing from the company and I said how 536 00:38:22.199 --> 00:38:24.679 mysterious if we' re listening to it in the company, a strong embrace 537 00:38:24.679 --> 00:38:28.719 of the company. More are from Tijuana, Greetings is Giancarlo Dutch Greetings. 538 00:38:28.800 --> 00:38:31.280 We sent you a hug, because if nothing else I read company and said 539 00:38:31.320 --> 00:38:37.360 about the company, I woe what company Amazon is. If Ricardo Reyes also 540 00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:39.079 says it' s like one of Soui Wan' s actors, or one 541 00:38:39.119 --> 00:38:43.599 who harassed him in networks to talk and he said he doesn' t want 542 00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:45.280 to talk on those issues. Even though after your decision, because you are 543 00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:51.280 ready to talk and maybe you are never or maybe, even if you are, 544 00:38:51.519 --> 00:38:54.360 you decide that you want to talk to your family alone and not publicly, 545 00:38:54.880 --> 00:39:00.679 because that part is also very complicated. Everyone wants to have the right 546 00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:05.920 to say how they would be reacting to these actors and singers and what they 547 00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:09.159 would have to be doing and what they would have to be saying, because 548 00:39:09.559 --> 00:39:16.199 it is very easy to demand from where it did not happen to you clear 549 00:39:17.400 --> 00:39:22.440 truth chin there are no victims who feel sorry to accept it and it is 550 00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:22.679 very sad, but it is very respectable. If you don' t want 551 00:39:22.679 --> 00:39:27.719 to talk about it ever, nobody has it, why force not everyone to 552 00:39:27.760 --> 00:39:31.000 deal differently with that kind of grief, because you' re always looking like 553 00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:36.039 a human being, I feel like looking for hypothetical situations. This wouldn' 554 00:39:36.159 --> 00:39:40.000 t have happened. If I don' t and if you, when you 555 00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:43.559 see him in the other, it' s clear this wouldn' t happen 556 00:39:43.679 --> 00:39:45.480 to me, because I wouldn' t do this or that. I wouldn 557 00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:49.159 ' t go through that alley at night. I wouldn' t take a 558 00:39:49.199 --> 00:39:52.079 run of a stranger. No, I wouldn' t go to a party 559 00:39:52.119 --> 00:39:55.320 that when I was fourteen, they wouldn' t have left me, because 560 00:39:55.400 --> 00:40:00.559 those daddies and then you started telling you stories. But look at the other 561 00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:04.880 person. I mean, that happened to him because that gives us a sense 562 00:40:04.920 --> 00:40:08.119 of control and because, besides, if it happens to us, we think 563 00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:12.280 and the first thing we feel when something bad happens to us was our fault. 564 00:40:13.159 --> 00:40:15.400 I just think the show, I think it does address that. It 565 00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:21.239 seems to me that quite rightly when you' re talking about Drake Bale' 566 00:40:21.320 --> 00:40:25.199 s case, but in a way of others too, because we always want 567 00:40:25.199 --> 00:40:30.599 to find guilty, not then, and besides, we want to find guilty 568 00:40:30.599 --> 00:40:32.280 where we' re not. I mean, in the end, the culprits 569 00:40:32.320 --> 00:40:37.639 are Duch Knightr Bryan Peck the others who are in jail. But it' 570 00:40:37.639 --> 00:40:39.239 s very easy to say it' s the mom, it' s the 571 00:40:39.280 --> 00:40:45.199 dad, it' s just that it' s not who you already know 572 00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:46.760 like all the other characters around, and the good show doesn' t try. 573 00:40:46.920 --> 00:40:55.000 It explains just how these characters are working in a very calculated way, 574 00:40:57.000 --> 00:41:00.320 because the father of what we were talking about you will remember Faussa. In 575 00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:05.840 the other episode, Drake Bell' s dad did everything he could to protect 576 00:41:05.960 --> 00:41:09.119 him and of course it is, therefore, a burden with which the lord 577 00:41:09.239 --> 00:41:15.920 lives, because he was there all the time and had to stop being with 578 00:41:15.039 --> 00:41:19.039 his son all the time, because his son, who was being, then 579 00:41:19.119 --> 00:41:22.880 manipulated by this man, said no. No, no, I just don 580 00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:24.599 ' t want you to take care of me anymore and then my mom' 581 00:41:24.599 --> 00:41:29.360 s gonna take care of me. And the mother of course is also to 582 00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:31.760 blame, because the mother did not want to leave her son to do something 583 00:41:31.840 --> 00:41:37.039 that is not right. Of course not, but the mother lived far away. 584 00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:43.000 The mother had a job and then these characters settle down in such a 585 00:41:43.079 --> 00:41:45.360 way as alas. Don' t worry, I' ll take it. 586 00:41:45.639 --> 00:41:49.559 Don' t worry, I' ll take care of it and they' 587 00:41:49.599 --> 00:41:52.760 re going in little by little, and when you see, it' s 588 00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:55.480 just what you didn' t want to happen. No, so that part 589 00:41:57.199 --> 00:42:01.119 reminded me of Nar, I remembered Mario Poquitas, yes, few, because 590 00:42:02.079 --> 00:42:05.639 it happens with all of them. She, you know. I remembered a 591 00:42:05.679 --> 00:42:08.199 lot about my own parents, because I remember that when I was a kid, 592 00:42:08.320 --> 00:42:13.000 my mom always said you' re not going to create any house. 593 00:42:14.639 --> 00:42:19.480 If anyone wants to come here, but you don' t go to anyone 594 00:42:19.480 --> 00:42:22.239 ' s house. I wasn' t allowed to go. I mean, 595 00:42:22.280 --> 00:42:23.440 it was really weird, I mean, I had to get to know the 596 00:42:23.440 --> 00:42:27.039 family pretty well, and my mom had to give. It was weird, 597 00:42:27.639 --> 00:42:34.400 but weird and when I was a teenager. But not before. And I 598 00:42:34.440 --> 00:42:36.800 have a subject because I can' t sleep outside my house. It' 599 00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:40.800 s either work or obviously not tea, but there' s something unexpected. 600 00:42:42.760 --> 00:42:45.679 I don' t know, I mean, there' s a party suddenly 601 00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:46.920 aya fauscata to sleep here. I can' t, I mean I never 602 00:42:46.920 --> 00:42:52.400 could. I mean, it gave me a feeling of anxiety and but I 603 00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:57.039 say that' s a curious anecdote after my mom' s rules, that 604 00:42:57.199 --> 00:43:01.480 I was always on the lookout and said not only not alone, because she 605 00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:07.400 knew and heard about people and I said about talking that where those things of 606 00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:09.440 abuse happened. My mom, my mom' s your mom' s team. 607 00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:13.599 My mom always said. You don' t know, because, obviously, 608 00:43:13.960 --> 00:43:15.920 we were kids and obviously we weren' t going to explain. But 609 00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:22.440 you don' t know the things that can happen and like me, I 610 00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:25.960 don' t know anyone and not even if I know them, I don 611 00:43:27.039 --> 00:43:27.800 ' t live with them and I don' t know what things are like. 612 00:43:28.599 --> 00:43:31.280 You guys don' t go that, by the way, that made 613 00:43:31.360 --> 00:43:35.440 me think a little bit. You see that there is also the case of 614 00:43:35.480 --> 00:43:38.239 Patricio cabezut Already there were actors that give him support and so on, that 615 00:43:38.280 --> 00:43:45.719 connects very well here with the letters of those who supported Brian Pech and my 616 00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:50.199 thinking was everyone who can support anyone, but in the end you do not 617 00:43:50.199 --> 00:43:52.559 live with them. So, because you know people at work, at family 618 00:43:52.559 --> 00:43:58.400 or friendly meetings, but from there to what happens in a house there are 619 00:43:58.440 --> 00:44:01.719 a lot of people difference is that those are moral issues, still the i 620 00:44:02.239 --> 00:44:08.800 e, the sexual part and that intimate part are moral things still, i 621 00:44:09.280 --> 00:44:13.639 e, we conceive them. So, what do you do first? Well, 622 00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:16.280 that' s a lot of crimes, because they' re considered vices 623 00:44:16.280 --> 00:44:19.840 of society. And what is the first thing you do, because talking to 624 00:44:19.920 --> 00:44:22.559 people and then the testimony there are many. Yeah, he' s a 625 00:44:22.599 --> 00:44:25.639 very decent man how you think and greeted everyone very nice, very attentive mornings. 626 00:44:27.280 --> 00:44:30.719 Yeah, thanks, okay, well, that gave it here with the 627 00:44:30.719 --> 00:44:34.360 other one. But aha, that' s an important part for one that 628 00:44:34.440 --> 00:44:37.280 gives you peace of mind to believe you know the other. Not exactly. 629 00:44:38.119 --> 00:44:42.920 It makes me laugh because once Daniel Viseño, on some show he said I 630 00:44:42.960 --> 00:44:46.000 don' t put my hands in the fire for anyone or for me you 631 00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:50.719 know. Then it seemed funny to me at the time and then I said 632 00:44:50.760 --> 00:44:53.360 that in these situations, because I almost didn' t say how strong. 633 00:44:53.559 --> 00:44:59.480 I mean, yeah, no, no. I totally agree. Now you 634 00:44:59.519 --> 00:45:01.360 were talking about tea. I said stubbornly and remembered that Ana Lucía Salas Hara 635 00:45:01.400 --> 00:45:07.119 has been fighting with several people because she was, therefore, in favor of 636 00:45:07.159 --> 00:45:12.199 the victims. It is always automatically analu because it is supporting the victims closely, 637 00:45:12.400 --> 00:45:15.000 not their moral support. And I was having issues with Patricio Caso, 638 00:45:15.159 --> 00:45:17.360 because there were a lot of people who were supporting him. I don' 639 00:45:17.400 --> 00:45:22.360 t know the folder or the theme. I' ve seen it as high 640 00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:24.800 above. It' s getting complicated. And it' s these things that 641 00:45:24.880 --> 00:45:31.559 people love to take sides and that in the end they see again who' 642 00:45:31.599 --> 00:45:37.719 s the bad guy to crucify him, that is media, because in the 643 00:45:37.800 --> 00:45:40.719 light he says he prefers to make mistakes with the victims and I think not. 644 00:45:40.800 --> 00:45:45.039 I think it' s better to get the victims wrong. Yeah, 645 00:45:45.159 --> 00:45:49.920 yeah, yeah, totally, and we' re a little funny or it 646 00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:55.239 ' s funny, yeah, contradictory. And all of a sudden we want 647 00:45:55.239 --> 00:46:00.599 to minimize things. I don' t know, for example, I think 648 00:46:00.639 --> 00:46:04.880 of the case of Hector Parra, for example, and his daughter, Alexa, 649 00:46:05.039 --> 00:46:07.920 that Alex is the one who denounces him, and then suddenly they make 650 00:46:07.960 --> 00:46:12.760 it clear that Jimmy Hofman, who is in it hates it and has it 651 00:46:12.800 --> 00:46:15.599 a lot of muina, is he lecturing it and then he' s inciting 652 00:46:15.719 --> 00:46:20.519 it, inciting his daughter, manipulating her to do it and denouncing it, 653 00:46:20.800 --> 00:46:21.639 and in the end you say, well, maybe. If she' s 654 00:46:21.960 --> 00:46:23.280 angry, you know maybe, yeah, she' s angry, maybe, 655 00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:27.599 yeah, she wants to see it merged. But that doesn' t prevent 656 00:46:27.639 --> 00:46:30.960 that and doesn' t mean that what the judge ruled is true and what, 657 00:46:31.280 --> 00:46:36.440 then, that he was guilty, because also, in those evidence that 658 00:46:36.480 --> 00:46:42.119 you remember that some of the behaviors aha of the behaviors were filtered out there, 659 00:46:42.360 --> 00:46:47.199 because they are rare. I mean, it' s like why you 660 00:46:47.320 --> 00:46:53.679 ' d put her in that part of her body that' s your part, 661 00:46:54.880 --> 00:47:00.119 or it' s always like I don' t know a weird game, 662 00:47:00.480 --> 00:47:05.440 because it might be her that' s in the pomp, because it 663 00:47:05.559 --> 00:47:08.679 supposes and describes it, I think because they' re imagining when she was 664 00:47:08.719 --> 00:47:12.000 a minor then anyway, but yes in that part, because you' d 665 00:47:12.039 --> 00:47:16.880 put a game words like this is mine is hers, but you also put 666 00:47:16.880 --> 00:47:19.559 it, but it' s yours, I mean, but why that sexualizes 667 00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:20.760 and if that' s clear, it' s not right. It is 668 00:47:20.840 --> 00:47:24.239 Ariana big in the series of Nickelodeon, in the sun not with the Pope 669 00:47:24.280 --> 00:47:30.880 and squeezing it and taking it out played a vine that looks something else and 670 00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:34.159 pouring water, venting that water that scales directly to the mouth, to the 671 00:47:35.360 --> 00:47:37.719 actresses or li verdes. There are viscous or different means, i e, 672 00:47:40.599 --> 00:47:46.719 no yes, you just think that and again, i e, I could 673 00:47:47.079 --> 00:47:54.039 tell you the defenders of Hector Parra or whoever' s in the turn or 674 00:47:54.440 --> 00:47:59.920 Dan Snider or whoever you want not the car that' s cochambrous is you, 675 00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:00.679 because they' re ambiguities there that there' s something. You know 676 00:48:00.719 --> 00:48:05.039 there' s a glyche in there on the matrix that something happened, but 677 00:48:05.119 --> 00:48:07.159 you don' t know exactly what happened. That if you' re sexualized, 678 00:48:07.360 --> 00:48:08.760 because it' s the same as we are, a while ago the 679 00:48:08.840 --> 00:48:12.079 kid in the suit, it' s all tight, that' s localized. 680 00:48:13.360 --> 00:48:16.599 It' s not right, no, no, no, no good 681 00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:20.159 and you' re going to other topics and it' s often that too. 682 00:48:20.199 --> 00:48:22.760 I mean, all of a sudden I see and I say they were 683 00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:30.039 sixteen years old. Someone who' s done two tights, I mean, 684 00:48:30.480 --> 00:48:32.280 what' s up and that' s not paco. You' re very 685 00:48:32.280 --> 00:48:36.159 quiet. I' m worried when you' re quiet that you don' 686 00:48:36.159 --> 00:48:40.320 t love us anymore. I' m almost mad at us You don' 687 00:48:40.400 --> 00:48:45.679 t get mad We' re just opinionators. No, no, not trying 688 00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:53.119 to make sense of this world. It' s not that since we left, 689 00:48:53.400 --> 00:48:59.480 it' s horrible several and so on. But I don' t 690 00:48:59.559 --> 00:49:01.679 mean fair. I think it' s like closing down and covering all the 691 00:49:01.719 --> 00:49:06.320 ideas that have been commented on right now and with all the topics, because 692 00:49:06.320 --> 00:49:08.480 I think everyone shares things in common. And it is that the fact that, 693 00:49:08.559 --> 00:49:14.599 yes, as Daniel said, every victim decides that when and how he 694 00:49:14.679 --> 00:49:19.599 lives and read his truth and his story. And that' s why we 695 00:49:19.679 --> 00:49:22.679 have to be empathetic to others. It is not a question of seeking guilt 696 00:49:22.679 --> 00:49:29.320 or pointing to anyone, but rather of being empathetic with all the people who 697 00:49:29.360 --> 00:49:32.360 are paying for some moment of difficulty or are not perpetuating it, we must 698 00:49:32.400 --> 00:49:37.960 also be empathetic with them. However, well, I think that is the 699 00:49:37.000 --> 00:49:40.719 part where I too would invite us to reflect as to the producers of such 700 00:49:43.320 --> 00:49:46.159 programmes, that we are creators of content and that there is social responsibility for 701 00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:52.320 what is, what they are creating. Not then, if we are creating 702 00:49:52.360 --> 00:49:57.639 a program that talks about the victims and so on, then let' s 703 00:49:57.639 --> 00:50:01.159 soak up this culture well, cover everywhere and protect everyone so that, then, 704 00:50:01.239 --> 00:50:04.440 no one gets hurt and what style we want to do. I don 705 00:50:04.440 --> 00:50:07.519 ' t think that' s what we' re missing a little bit about 706 00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:13.639 this kind of program in general, because I think a lot of these documentaries 707 00:50:13.760 --> 00:50:15.199 or locusters are taking it from there. I think, as I said at 708 00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:17.800 the beginning of my comment, it is very important that the victims who want 709 00:50:17.840 --> 00:50:22.400 to speak are given a voice and given this focus. That' s good. 710 00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:27.480 But, then, that productions also like to be aware that there is 711 00:50:27.480 --> 00:50:30.400 social responsibility and that good research work must be done so that, because everything 712 00:50:30.440 --> 00:50:35.599 is well cared for, not and that really, because everyone is well off 713 00:50:36.079 --> 00:50:38.880 and that there is no one who can get hurt or offended, or because 714 00:50:39.079 --> 00:50:45.079 he also feels that his life experience has been minimized at some point. It 715 00:50:45.079 --> 00:50:47.119 ' s just that, I mean, like what he says pay or minomize, 716 00:50:47.639 --> 00:50:51.960 not see each other, do less. Hey, you did this to 717 00:50:52.039 --> 00:50:57.000 me, I hurt you. Oh no, I mean no Sasha, I 718 00:50:57.039 --> 00:50:59.880 mean Sasha, because that was in my anger just the same and I didn 719 00:50:59.920 --> 00:51:01.639 ' t do anything, either, or maybe I didn' t forget it 720 00:51:01.719 --> 00:51:05.119 anymore. But I' m already here calmly, I' m not going 721 00:51:05.119 --> 00:51:07.320 to get into this matter goodbye and suddenly the other one. No, because 722 00:51:07.360 --> 00:51:12.239 I loved her and here and romanticizing and I still told her and you were 723 00:51:12.320 --> 00:51:15.480 in love, because she got angry. And I mean, he says, 724 00:51:15.039 --> 00:51:20.119 hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, 725 00:51:21.039 --> 00:51:22.760 hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, 726 00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:22.760 hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, 727 00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:22.760 hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, 728 00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:22.760 hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, 729 00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:22.760 hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, 730 00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:28.920 hey. And what I want you to recognize beyond other things to be responsible 731 00:51:29.039 --> 00:51:34.599 for that of course, of course, how important it is like that paco 732 00:51:34.639 --> 00:51:38.880 and otherwise, notice that the first season of thierrting Reson' s White handled 733 00:51:38.960 --> 00:51:42.679 this kind of nuances that seemed to me to be very interesting. Inside of 734 00:51:42.760 --> 00:51:47.639 it all I tell you I was and this teen drama and they said and 735 00:51:47.639 --> 00:51:52.280 with plots that they are to get you hooked. We had interesting things. 736 00:51:52.280 --> 00:51:53.039 I don' t know. There' s a time when there' s 737 00:51:53.760 --> 00:51:58.480 a Latin girl who was pimping her, oh yeah, that lips and that 738 00:51:58.559 --> 00:52:01.920 pretty and everything. And someone asks Tony I think they ask him is the 739 00:52:02.760 --> 00:52:07.519 main character. I forgot how the main thought is called, so the one 740 00:52:07.559 --> 00:52:14.239 who receives the tapes tells him that he tells Tony he has a conversation with 741 00:52:14.320 --> 00:52:17.519 Tony he says he hears. But then, for example, this girl has 742 00:52:17.519 --> 00:52:22.360 become what she' s called, she doesn' t look, she' 743 00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:24.199 s told and she' s not bad, but she seems to like it, 744 00:52:24.599 --> 00:52:28.960 because it' s not like she likes it, but she' s 745 00:52:29.039 --> 00:52:34.159 got like thick skin or she doesn' t care or has ways to leave 746 00:52:34.199 --> 00:52:35.079 it, so she dodges it and makes other decisions and there have to be 747 00:52:35.079 --> 00:52:37.039 other tools. He doesn' t say it that sophisticated. But it kind 748 00:52:37.119 --> 00:52:39.360 of tells her that each person is different and even if she gets it, 749 00:52:39.960 --> 00:52:42.679 so, maybe she would, she doesn' t hurt, but maybe exactly 750 00:52:42.679 --> 00:52:45.360 clay that clay she' s talking to Tony with, but maybe someone else 751 00:52:45.559 --> 00:52:50.800 Yeah, and that other person not only doesn' t get it right, 752 00:52:51.039 --> 00:52:54.480 but it can be devastating that that' s true. I mean, they 753 00:52:54.599 --> 00:52:59.000 don' t all take it that way, so maybe someone' s good 754 00:52:59.079 --> 00:53:00.960 at it and they' re like that and they hear, but it' 755 00:53:00.960 --> 00:53:02.800 s wrong. Complaining says I don' t care or. But to arrive 756 00:53:02.840 --> 00:53:07.639 at a time when a person follows a pyropus at best, pulls it out 757 00:53:07.760 --> 00:53:12.440 and says hey I don' t want to be uncomfortable and starts to make 758 00:53:12.559 --> 00:53:16.400 a torture that repeats the behavior over and over and over again is that there 759 00:53:16.440 --> 00:53:19.960 is the fact that it is percera at best. For example, the compliment 760 00:53:20.079 --> 00:53:23.559 is incorrect. That is already in the nature of the pyropus is wrong. 761 00:53:24.760 --> 00:53:30.440 Now there will be the interpretation or the way in which everyone assumes it. 762 00:53:30.159 --> 00:53:36.360 Yes, exactly. So, well, yes, it' s a personal 763 00:53:36.440 --> 00:53:38.320 issue. It' s how each person assumes it and not everyone is so. 764 00:53:38.480 --> 00:53:43.280 That' s why it gets more complicated, because not everyone is with 765 00:53:43.360 --> 00:53:47.320 the same openness, acceptance, the same readiness to accept that someone tells you 766 00:53:47.400 --> 00:53:51.639 those kinds of things that may seem nice to you, but they may seem 767 00:53:51.639 --> 00:53:57.199 awful to me. They can also hurt and not, and that' s 768 00:53:57.199 --> 00:54:00.840 the difference. So, but well, it' s a complex subject and 769 00:54:00.880 --> 00:54:04.000 at the same time it tells me simple paco, it' s like turning 770 00:54:04.119 --> 00:54:06.000 around to see the other one. No, but it becomes complex, because 771 00:54:06.079 --> 00:54:07.159 you don' t want to accept that you were wrong. You don' 772 00:54:07.159 --> 00:54:09.400 t want to accept that you' re the bad guy, etcetera, etcetera. 773 00:54:09.480 --> 00:54:14.079 And sometimes you don' t want to accept that you are or become 774 00:54:14.119 --> 00:54:17.559 a victim, because you are a victim and you feel ugly the truth, 775 00:54:17.679 --> 00:54:22.880 being a victim, you feel very pinched. Yeah, it' s not 776 00:54:22.079 --> 00:54:23.920 easy to say no. That' s why people take so long, because 777 00:54:23.920 --> 00:54:28.239 it' s taken so long, because I didn' t want to say, 778 00:54:28.360 --> 00:54:31.119 because they' re going to say that I fucked up that I' 779 00:54:31.360 --> 00:54:35.119 m stupid, not stupid and that I shouldn' t have done that And 780 00:54:35.119 --> 00:54:37.880 what did you do, because I went there, I got into a party 781 00:54:37.880 --> 00:54:39.519 at three in the morning alone in I don' t know where, because 782 00:54:39.519 --> 00:54:40.920 that happened to me, because I' m stupid. It' s my 783 00:54:40.960 --> 00:54:45.920 fault it feels ugly that in the stigma that you' re the victim forever 784 00:54:46.199 --> 00:54:50.320 aha, because I tell you, I mean, immediately you think you had 785 00:54:50.320 --> 00:54:54.519 control, or more control and you could have avoided it. But there it 786 00:54:54.519 --> 00:54:59.280 is, like a whole super- wrong interpretation. You know why at the 787 00:54:59.320 --> 00:55:04.360 end of the day, I' d hate to be out of clothes wherever 788 00:55:04.360 --> 00:55:05.360 I went and I wouldn' t have to tell her anything. No, 789 00:55:05.360 --> 00:55:07.960 not obviously not, but because it' s inevitable to think that you have 790 00:55:08.039 --> 00:55:13.039 control over things, of course because they apply ah but you don' t 791 00:55:13.039 --> 00:55:15.000 have clothes. You were tempting the world what happened to you. No, 792 00:55:16.039 --> 00:55:20.119 it could happen, too, I mean, you could go without clothes in 793 00:55:20.199 --> 00:55:24.159 some situation. You don' t even stick to what horror and you' 794 00:55:24.239 --> 00:55:30.800 re totally covered up and horrible passes too, that is, exactly also no, 795 00:55:30.199 --> 00:55:34.639 yes, yes, it' s very ugly and very complex everything, 796 00:55:35.119 --> 00:55:37.840 but yes, I mean, it' s simple how it is paco turns 797 00:55:37.840 --> 00:55:38.679 to see the other thing is simple. You see, it' s hard 798 00:55:38.679 --> 00:55:43.639 to recognize each other. No, but, well, it' s already 799 00:55:43.679 --> 00:55:45.639 happening to us. We already used the whole program Look for what it is 800 00:55:45.639 --> 00:55:49.800 to be. We' re passionate these days. Yeah, or it' 801 00:55:49.800 --> 00:55:52.800 s good. I think it' s worth talking about for other things that 802 00:55:53.119 --> 00:55:55.920 happen media and happen a lot and especially good, everywhere, in every respect. 803 00:55:55.960 --> 00:56:00.159 But we are talking about cinema, television, all that and show, 804 00:56:00.639 --> 00:56:04.960 because there are a lot going on, obviously, anyway, listen, because 805 00:56:05.079 --> 00:56:07.119 thanks for being here, Ahorita, we agree to see if we do something 806 00:56:07.199 --> 00:56:09.760 extra, because there are many things we talked about, but thanks to the 807 00:56:09.800 --> 00:56:13.679 gene that was with us, thanks to Elvia, the Kner, Catherina Cevedo, 808 00:56:14.199 --> 00:56:20.760 Ricardo Reyes, greetings also to Carlos Andrés Mendior I was going to say 809 00:56:20.760 --> 00:56:25.000 that you were there commenting. Greetings to Carlos Landín, greetings also to Selene 810 00:56:25.039 --> 00:56:30.960 Hernández, greetings to all the people who connected. 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