WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.000 --> 00:00:06.240 Golf Smarter number three hundred and forty published on June twenty nine, twenty twelve. 2 00:00:06.400 --> 00:00:12.640 Welcome to Golf Smarter Mulligans, your second chance to gain insight and advice 3 00:00:12.880 --> 00:00:19.640 from the best instructors featured on the Golf Smarter podcast. Great Golf Instruction Never 4 00:00:19.719 --> 00:00:26.199 gets Old. Our interview library features hundreds of hours of game improvement conversations like 5 00:00:26.280 --> 00:00:30.480 this that are no longer available in any podcast app. In our school, 6 00:00:30.519 --> 00:00:33.359 we do all the drill for this called get ready, get set, go, 7 00:00:33.719 --> 00:00:35.479 and you can do it with a ball or without a ball. But 8 00:00:35.479 --> 00:00:38.479 basically you say the phrase get ready as you do your backswing. When you 9 00:00:38.520 --> 00:00:41.439 do the transition the way I describe it, where you're finishing your shoulder turn 10 00:00:41.479 --> 00:00:44.439 that last ten degrees or so on your table and shifting left, you say 11 00:00:44.520 --> 00:00:47.640 get set, meaning get set, not get ready go, which is what 12 00:00:47.759 --> 00:00:51.359 high handicappers do when they succumb to the hit impulse. It's get ready, 13 00:00:51.439 --> 00:00:54.399 get set, and then when your hands get down below waist high or a 14 00:00:54.439 --> 00:00:58.159 round waiste time with you lists fully cocked, then you say go and you 15 00:00:58.240 --> 00:01:00.920 create the go by simply turning your box lettings a trip before snap open your 16 00:01:00.960 --> 00:01:04.200 risk cock angle, So it's get ready, get set go, not get 17 00:01:04.200 --> 00:01:07.840 ready to go. So when you pause, it becomes get ready to go. 18 00:01:14.280 --> 00:01:21.120 More swing change analysis with Jim Waldrip. This is Golf Smarter, sharing 19 00:01:21.200 --> 00:01:26.480 tips and insights from golfers and golf professionals to help lower your score. It's 20 00:01:26.519 --> 00:01:30.159 worked for your host, Fred Green. Welcome back to Golf Smarter from members 21 00:01:30.159 --> 00:01:34.680 only. Jim, Thanks Dred. Great to be here again. Well you 22 00:01:34.719 --> 00:01:40.439 haven't left. Nope, this is continuation. So in cyberspace, I'm back, 23 00:01:40.519 --> 00:01:42.760 but in real time and space, I'm still here. You're still together 24 00:01:44.159 --> 00:01:51.519 after all these years. So we were getting into Tigers changes and you were 25 00:01:51.560 --> 00:01:57.920 saying less arms better spine angle Part three was and I stopped you right in 26 00:01:57.040 --> 00:02:00.200 mid thought. Here, let's just pick it right up. I'll tell you 27 00:02:00.519 --> 00:02:04.640 his tempo. I mean, someone asked me on in one of these web 28 00:02:04.640 --> 00:02:07.560 forums. I'm on a lot like golf works dot com or some other ones. 29 00:02:07.159 --> 00:02:09.639 You know, if I had a chance to work with Tigers this a 30 00:02:09.639 --> 00:02:13.000 few years ago, what would I change If I only had to pick one 31 00:02:13.000 --> 00:02:15.280 thing? And because you know, there was a lot going on and that 32 00:02:15.360 --> 00:02:19.479 he needed to work on. And that's that's again I respect that he knew 33 00:02:19.560 --> 00:02:22.199 he didn't have that. He knew there were people, other people on tour, 34 00:02:23.319 --> 00:02:24.719 you know, they had a better There were better ball strikers at him. 35 00:02:24.719 --> 00:02:27.759 And that's another thing people think, because he's won all these time, 36 00:02:27.800 --> 00:02:30.199 people think, oh, he's got the best swing out there. No, 37 00:02:30.199 --> 00:02:34.280 now, he's got one of the best swings. But he did not have 38 00:02:35.319 --> 00:02:38.400 by from a purely objective's point of view, and from his own point of 39 00:02:38.479 --> 00:02:40.639 view, he knew he could not trust himself with the driver, which, 40 00:02:40.680 --> 00:02:44.039 by the way, Haney does talk about it in The Big Mess his book, 41 00:02:44.520 --> 00:02:46.159 yes accurately, which is that he missed a lot of it, even 42 00:02:46.240 --> 00:02:50.800 though he still won majors by you know, fifteen shots like at the Opener 43 00:02:50.800 --> 00:02:53.840 and twelve shots at the Matters in ninety seven. He won those majors because 44 00:02:53.879 --> 00:02:57.719 of a lot of other things, not because of his ball striking, particularly 45 00:02:57.759 --> 00:03:00.840 with the driver. It's his tree a lot of these terms as well. 46 00:03:00.960 --> 00:03:07.319 Yeah, his creativity on his approach shots. And it just seems like he 47 00:03:07.800 --> 00:03:14.360 and one of the in the process of the Handy Book that his ability to 48 00:03:14.639 --> 00:03:20.199 correct his mistakes on his approach. Yeah, he was the greatest, probably 49 00:03:20.520 --> 00:03:23.039 as good as maybe as controversial say this, but I think he was probably 50 00:03:23.080 --> 00:03:25.479 as good as Sevy out of the trees, you know, recovering from bad 51 00:03:25.560 --> 00:03:30.280 lives and in the rough, in the trees and fairway bunkers, hitting these 52 00:03:30.280 --> 00:03:34.360 impossible recovery shots. He was, you know, probably tied with Schevy, 53 00:03:34.400 --> 00:03:37.439 maybe better than seven. It's hard to tell, but you know, he's 54 00:03:37.479 --> 00:03:39.120 the kind of guy. He could make birdie from inside the trees, kind 55 00:03:39.120 --> 00:03:44.120 of like how Michelson can do occasionally. And he was the greatest putter by 56 00:03:44.120 --> 00:03:46.439 far out there when he was in his heyday, you know, twelve years 57 00:03:46.439 --> 00:03:51.280 ago. He had absolutely the best short game in the history of golf in 58 00:03:51.319 --> 00:03:55.400 his heyday twelve years ago. But Haney talked about that he was not great 59 00:03:55.400 --> 00:04:00.439 at lag putting. He didn't have to cut that often though, because he 60 00:04:00.520 --> 00:04:03.680 was good enough with his irons, be as his iron swing was much better 61 00:04:03.719 --> 00:04:06.520 than his driver's swing. Clearly, Uh, he didn't hit it that. 62 00:04:06.639 --> 00:04:09.800 He didn't hit it more than you know, thirty feet for the hole very 63 00:04:09.840 --> 00:04:13.719 often. So uh. But no, but back to my back to the 64 00:04:13.800 --> 00:04:15.800 original question. So it was temple his tempo was too fast. I mean, 65 00:04:15.800 --> 00:04:17.879 this is something Butch new and tried to get him a change when he 66 00:04:17.920 --> 00:04:21.240 was in high school and college at Stanford, and Tiger refused to do it. 67 00:04:21.279 --> 00:04:26.199 Because Tiger has this hain he also talks about in the book. He 68 00:04:26.279 --> 00:04:30.519 has a long drive ego complex. He wants to be either the longest or 69 00:04:30.800 --> 00:04:34.199 the top five guys on tour in driving distance, and he was willing to 70 00:04:34.920 --> 00:04:40.600 lose tournaments because he wanted to be up there with the other guys in terms 71 00:04:40.639 --> 00:04:43.639 of hitting the hitting the long ball. He even said to Haney, he's 72 00:04:43.639 --> 00:04:47.720 a chicks taking the long ball. That was very important to Tiger. Yeah. 73 00:04:48.319 --> 00:04:51.199 So, uh, as we all know, you know, when he 74 00:04:51.240 --> 00:04:56.759 was a junior golfer, he was playing and winning against other junior golfers who 75 00:04:56.759 --> 00:04:59.199 are four or five six years older than him. So he was like an 76 00:04:59.199 --> 00:05:01.160 eight, you know, eight, nine, ten year old playing against teenagers, 77 00:05:01.279 --> 00:05:04.879 high school kids, and he learned that the only way he could keep 78 00:05:04.920 --> 00:05:09.120 up with their driver was to just simply unwind, particularly with his lower bodies. 79 00:05:09.160 --> 00:05:12.000 So if you look at the old Tiger spling from twelve years ago, 80 00:05:12.360 --> 00:05:16.319 the rate of rotation of his hips was blindingly fast, so fast that his 81 00:05:16.720 --> 00:05:20.199 shoulders would move backwards and his arms would move backwards. So it's sort of 82 00:05:20.199 --> 00:05:25.319 like when you accelerate your car. If you press, if you plunge on 83 00:05:25.360 --> 00:05:29.040 the gas pedal right, the car starts to immediately accelerate. So the cars 84 00:05:29.120 --> 00:05:30.920 moving forward, what do you do, You move backwards into the seat right. 85 00:05:31.560 --> 00:05:34.279 That's called inertia in physics, or in the golf instruction of lingo, 86 00:05:34.360 --> 00:05:39.720 we call that lag pressure. So now you've got your hips firing way too 87 00:05:39.800 --> 00:05:44.759 early on transition to the downswinging, which makes your shoulders turn more the opposite 88 00:05:44.759 --> 00:05:48.040 way, and it makes your arms go more towards your right or more around 89 00:05:48.079 --> 00:05:51.959 your body right, and it puts pressure on your forms, on your wrists, 90 00:05:51.959 --> 00:05:55.600 which makes it harder to release the club coming down because you've got this 91 00:05:55.720 --> 00:05:59.600 countervailing force pushing back on your hands, on your wrists, on your arms 92 00:05:59.720 --> 00:06:03.000 right. And so what he had to do was he had to literally sling 93 00:06:03.040 --> 00:06:05.720 his arms across his chest to try to get the club more in front of 94 00:06:05.800 --> 00:06:09.399 him. And because he was such a good athlete, he could do that 95 00:06:09.399 --> 00:06:12.879 and still hit great shots, right. But he just couldn't hit great shots 96 00:06:12.920 --> 00:06:15.360 more than about ninety percent of the time. There was a ten percent of 97 00:06:15.439 --> 00:06:18.439 time he couldn't tie the arm slinging motion. And if again, if he 98 00:06:18.439 --> 00:06:20.600 did it too slowly, he had to push lice. He did too fast, 99 00:06:20.639 --> 00:06:25.439 he had a pull hook or even a snapbook. So that's all been 100 00:06:25.439 --> 00:06:29.079 fixed now. And part of the reason it's fixed is because he's really if 101 00:06:29.079 --> 00:06:31.040 you look at his tempo now, I'm guessing it looks to my eye to 102 00:06:31.120 --> 00:06:36.839 be about fifteen to twenty percent slower than twelve years ago. But he's hitting 103 00:06:36.839 --> 00:06:42.319 it further. And now some of that's the equipment, but I mean he's 104 00:06:42.360 --> 00:06:44.720 hitting it more in the center, more in the sweet spot right on the 105 00:06:44.720 --> 00:06:48.279 button. He's hitting it purer, and he doesn't have that violent transition, 106 00:06:48.879 --> 00:06:53.560 you know, violent wrenching of the hips to start his transition to the downswing. 107 00:06:53.720 --> 00:06:57.759 So it looks a lot smoother, and he's finishing in better balance as 108 00:06:57.759 --> 00:07:00.680 a result of anytime you can finish in balance and hold, you hold your 109 00:07:00.720 --> 00:07:04.639 position like a statue, that's a that's a sign that you were more likely 110 00:07:04.639 --> 00:07:09.120 to be in balanced during the strike during impact, right, which really matters, 111 00:07:10.519 --> 00:07:14.720 which is one of Hogan's big things he talked about, Yeah, well 112 00:07:14.759 --> 00:07:17.399 of me too, right. Hogan talked about feeling like you're rooted to the 113 00:07:17.399 --> 00:07:21.160 ground from your feet are pressing into the ground. He talked constantly to people 114 00:07:21.199 --> 00:07:26.639 he mentored, like John Slee for example, Chris Cheddar. He talked about, 115 00:07:26.680 --> 00:07:30.600 you need to feel like you're just rotating your body, not not shifting 116 00:07:30.600 --> 00:07:33.519 your weight laterally during during release, during impact, and your feet are pressing 117 00:07:33.560 --> 00:07:38.399 in the ground. You talked about being in rock solid balance during the strike. 118 00:07:38.480 --> 00:07:42.639 That was his phrase he used to love because again, it proves your 119 00:07:42.680 --> 00:07:46.079 odds of hitting a sweet spot, making solid contact. And if you look 120 00:07:46.079 --> 00:07:48.120 at Tiger and his old Tiger, another flaw that fixes. He would come 121 00:07:48.160 --> 00:07:51.480 way up on his right heel, so it's his right heel would come way 122 00:07:51.560 --> 00:07:54.959 up in the air, so he's literally sort of standing up on the toe 123 00:07:55.000 --> 00:07:58.439 of his right foot when he was striking the ball. I've noticed that. 124 00:07:58.920 --> 00:08:01.839 Yeah, yeah, that's the other thing. They think. That's a lot 125 00:08:01.879 --> 00:08:03.759 better. He's keeping his right heel, his connection of its soul of his 126 00:08:03.839 --> 00:08:09.360 right foot to the ground much much better than he used to. In fact, 127 00:08:09.399 --> 00:08:13.480 Moe Norman, who the famous Canadian tour pro and great ball striker, 128 00:08:13.040 --> 00:08:16.160 right before he died, in some interview up there in Canada, he said 129 00:08:16.160 --> 00:08:20.439 that he thought that the number one thing that was wrong in Tiger's swinging this 130 00:08:20.560 --> 00:08:22.680 was, like you know, eight or nine, ten years ago, was 131 00:08:24.519 --> 00:08:28.040 was just what I described, losing contact with the ground, losing ground pressure 132 00:08:28.040 --> 00:08:33.000 on his right foot. Another Hogan secret, by the way, was they 133 00:08:33.080 --> 00:08:35.200 had that contact with this, particularly in the right foot and right heel through 134 00:08:35.240 --> 00:08:39.840 the strike, stay somewhat connected to the ground. Yeah, you know, 135 00:08:39.039 --> 00:08:43.200 let me ask you about that. Because so many people, especially those who 136 00:08:43.440 --> 00:08:46.159 just pick up a set of golf clubs and just go out and start swinging, 137 00:08:46.559 --> 00:08:54.679 I frequently notice that they will on their back swing not only will their 138 00:08:54.960 --> 00:09:00.480 left knee just point, you know, way behind them on the backswing, 139 00:09:00.639 --> 00:09:05.240 but also they'll bring up the left heel, the left foot right. Your 140 00:09:05.320 --> 00:09:09.480 theory on that is, where does an ego, where does the heel go 141 00:09:09.600 --> 00:09:11.279 on your left leg? If you a right handed golfer. Again, if 142 00:09:11.360 --> 00:09:15.480 I was, if I was a sling style or throw style teacher, I 143 00:09:15.480 --> 00:09:16.720 would say, oh, obviously you got to lookt your left heel up in 144 00:09:16.759 --> 00:09:20.559 here. Look at Nicholas, look at Johnny Young, Johnny Miller, look 145 00:09:20.600 --> 00:09:22.840 at Tony Lima. From the sixties and seventies, they all had their heel 146 00:09:22.879 --> 00:09:26.399 lay up in the air, or look at Bubba today, Bubba's Bubba watchings 147 00:09:26.399 --> 00:09:28.440 heel. It's got to be five inches off the ground at the top of 148 00:09:28.480 --> 00:09:31.840 the back swing. But again, why would you teach that to someone unless 149 00:09:31.879 --> 00:09:37.720 they really a senior golfer maybe age sixty year older, who really lacked flexibility, 150 00:09:37.559 --> 00:09:41.480 Then obviously that person's going to have to allow their left heel to come 151 00:09:41.480 --> 00:09:45.559 off the ground at least someone or they won't be able to finish their they 152 00:09:45.559 --> 00:09:46.879 won't be able to turn their shoulders enough to play good golf. Right, 153 00:09:48.360 --> 00:09:50.679 Because the more you let your heel come up, the more you can turn 154 00:09:50.720 --> 00:09:52.440 your hips. And the more you can turn your hips, the more you 155 00:09:52.440 --> 00:09:54.559 can turn your shoulders. So if you lack flexibility as a senior or for 156 00:09:54.600 --> 00:09:58.399 any reason, you got to let that left heel come up a little bit. 157 00:09:58.080 --> 00:10:01.759 But modern swing, which is based on science, on biomechanics, which 158 00:10:01.759 --> 00:10:05.639 is the main the main rule in sports biomechanics is don't move a body part 159 00:10:05.759 --> 00:10:09.320 at all of ours. Don't don't contract a muscle to move a bone or 160 00:10:09.360 --> 00:10:15.080 a joint unless it contributes to an overall effective motion. So the whole idea 161 00:10:15.080 --> 00:10:18.919 is is to use as few moving body parts as possible. What we see 162 00:10:18.919 --> 00:10:22.559 in the leverage spin swing or or even in the ultra spin swing, and 163 00:10:22.600 --> 00:10:26.840 we don't see that in the slinging style. We see a lot of you 164 00:10:26.879 --> 00:10:30.639 know, extraneous body motion. So so my theory is, if you have 165 00:10:30.679 --> 00:10:35.279 to lift it, lift it the minimum necessary amount to complete close to a 166 00:10:35.360 --> 00:10:39.279 ninety degree shoulder turn and know more than about a sixty degree hip turn. 167 00:10:39.279 --> 00:10:43.279 Uh. And that's that's because it's being pulled up in the air by your 168 00:10:43.320 --> 00:10:46.320 hips and your shoulders. So when you when you torque to the when you 169 00:10:46.399 --> 00:10:48.279 coil to the right, you turn your belly, you turn your chest, 170 00:10:48.320 --> 00:10:52.919 you turn your hips. Basically that the belly and the chest turn is turning 171 00:10:52.960 --> 00:10:56.440 the hips and the hips are lifting the left heel one's pulling the other right. 172 00:10:56.559 --> 00:11:01.200 But it's it's potential source of loss of contact with the ground. If 173 00:11:01.240 --> 00:11:03.559 you have poor ground pressure, you tend to have poor balance. That's that's 174 00:11:03.600 --> 00:11:09.200 the downside to it. So most people who do it don't don't need to 175 00:11:09.240 --> 00:11:11.320 do it. They're just doing it because they're it's just natural to do it 176 00:11:11.360 --> 00:11:15.159 that way, and you know, they maybe they think there's both those to 177 00:11:15.159 --> 00:11:16.159 do it. It's a law of the golf swing. It's not. Have 178 00:11:16.240 --> 00:11:20.120 you noticed that so many of those people don't even know they do it? 179 00:11:20.320 --> 00:11:26.759 Sure? Wow, don't even get me started on that. Fred, Hey, 180 00:11:26.759 --> 00:11:31.679 this is the members of the show get started. Not just my students. 181 00:11:31.679 --> 00:11:35.279 Every teaching pro I know are unaware of ninety nine percent of their flaws. 182 00:11:37.399 --> 00:11:41.080 Oh yeah, people, people do all kinds of stuff. Have no 183 00:11:41.159 --> 00:11:43.919 clue. That's and that's one of the things we've talked about in prior podcasts 184 00:11:43.960 --> 00:11:46.279 with you is how you know. One of the big things you have to 185 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:48.840 have to be good at this game is body awareness. You've got to be 186 00:11:48.840 --> 00:11:52.120 able to start feeling your mistakes in real time in the moment or the micro 187 00:11:52.240 --> 00:11:56.399 moment that they're happening, not aware that what they're doing is a mistake, 188 00:11:56.519 --> 00:12:01.879 or not aware that the mistake they're doing that they even do it. Now 189 00:12:01.919 --> 00:12:05.480 the second part that they're even doing it, they don't even know that they 190 00:12:05.519 --> 00:12:07.480 even do that. And again, the reason people, the reason most golfers, 191 00:12:07.759 --> 00:12:11.559 in fact, I would venture to guess that probably ninety five percent of 192 00:12:11.559 --> 00:12:15.279 your listeners, unless they're already very good players. So let's say that the 193 00:12:15.320 --> 00:12:18.879 ninety five percent of your listeners. Well, the longer listeners are much better 194 00:12:18.960 --> 00:12:22.320 players than they were when they start. Yeah, yeah, exactly, of 195 00:12:22.360 --> 00:12:24.519 course. But I'm saying I'm saying that people who are probably, oh, 196 00:12:24.519 --> 00:12:26.840 I could give it, I could throw a ballpark figure out there. Probably 197 00:12:26.840 --> 00:12:31.000 if you're about a fifteen handicap or higher, there's about a ninety five percent 198 00:12:31.120 --> 00:12:33.399 chance that most of the time on the range and on the golf course, 199 00:12:35.159 --> 00:12:37.480 you're not aware of anything happening in your body, and you're stuck in your 200 00:12:37.480 --> 00:12:43.919 head thinking swing thoughts or telling body parts what they should or should not be 201 00:12:43.960 --> 00:12:48.960 doing, or picturing body parts, and your body part that you're picturing or 202 00:12:48.000 --> 00:12:52.000 talking to is doing exactly oppositely what you're telling it to do. Well, 203 00:12:52.960 --> 00:12:56.799 that's ask any teaching pro who does what I do for a living, teaches 204 00:12:56.840 --> 00:12:58.840 people the golf swing all day. You know, that's a full time job. 205 00:13:01.120 --> 00:13:03.960 After the first month on the job, that's what you realize what people 206 00:13:03.080 --> 00:13:09.200 intend to do. Again, fifty handicaps and higher almost never manifests in their 207 00:13:09.200 --> 00:13:13.600 offswing because it doesn't matter what your conscious mind is doing. It's what your 208 00:13:13.639 --> 00:13:18.480 subconscious mind believes to be true that creates your body motion good or bad. 209 00:13:20.039 --> 00:13:22.960 Which is something else I have in my list here little outline, a little 210 00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:26.960 cheat sheet for talking with you today in this podcast, which is you need 211 00:13:26.000 --> 00:13:28.639 to understand. You put people out there, you average golfers. You guys 212 00:13:28.679 --> 00:13:33.759 need to understand this principle. If you believe in your subconscious mind that the 213 00:13:33.799 --> 00:13:35.840 only way to get the ball airborne is to make the club that make a 214 00:13:35.919 --> 00:13:41.480 load to high motion as it contacts the ball, I e. Scooping right, 215 00:13:41.879 --> 00:13:46.000 even if you know intellectually that that's dead wrong information that you're supposed to 216 00:13:46.039 --> 00:13:48.039 make a downward blow in most clubs right for the ball, for the loft 217 00:13:48.080 --> 00:13:52.639 of the club to be effective, make the ball get airborne, even if 218 00:13:52.639 --> 00:13:56.960 you know that intellectually what the true information is. If your subconscious believes the 219 00:13:56.960 --> 00:14:01.440 opposite, that's what your body will do. Yeah, because subconscious controls the 220 00:14:01.440 --> 00:14:11.559 body, right, not the conscious right. I mean, even after doing 221 00:14:11.679 --> 00:14:16.080 this podcast for so many years and learning so much, it wasn't until I 222 00:14:16.120 --> 00:14:20.879 put the and I Don't Take Lessons that the Tour Tempo training Club in my 223 00:14:20.919 --> 00:14:26.200 hand that I realized that I was not coming down on the ball at all. 224 00:14:26.600 --> 00:14:30.080 So you were. You were too slow for you didn't get the timing 225 00:14:30.080 --> 00:14:33.360 of the deep right you mean, well, I mean yeah, I mean 226 00:14:33.519 --> 00:14:39.039 my hands were, you know, like I was trying to doctor Joe Parris. 227 00:14:39.440 --> 00:14:45.519 I was trying to have the bottom of my swing of that circle at 228 00:14:45.639 --> 00:14:50.360 when it made contact with the ball right, as opposed to making the bottom 229 00:14:50.399 --> 00:14:54.840 of the swing being a couple inches in front of the ball correct. Correct. 230 00:14:54.879 --> 00:14:56.320 Yeah, I mean this is tough, is me? Like? Oh, 231 00:14:56.639 --> 00:15:01.559 I mean I had these revelations on this stuff, these epiphanies in these 232 00:15:01.600 --> 00:15:05.320 conversations, and you know, and that's yeah, I'm sorry, go ahead, 233 00:15:05.840 --> 00:15:07.879 No, I'm just saying. And what isn't until I actually had that 234 00:15:07.879 --> 00:15:13.200 that tour Tempo training aid in my hands that I was like, oh, 235 00:15:13.320 --> 00:15:18.320 that's what that means to hit down on the ball, right, and you 236 00:15:18.320 --> 00:15:20.480 know, and that's one of the most fascinating and kind of cool things about 237 00:15:20.519 --> 00:15:24.879 the touristriker Tempo tours striker, I mean a tour striker, right, Yeah, 238 00:15:24.919 --> 00:15:26.919 yeah, sure, Tempo is something else I wanted to ask you about, 239 00:15:26.919 --> 00:15:30.519 but we'll get there in a minute. Yeah. Yeah, but this 240 00:15:30.519 --> 00:15:33.240 this issue again, I mean, I watched the Golf Channel a lot, 241 00:15:33.320 --> 00:15:33.440 right, I mean, I do I do this like, you know, 242 00:15:33.480 --> 00:15:35.639 when I'm not working on my days off, I do like a three hour 243 00:15:35.759 --> 00:15:39.840 yoga pilates thing in the morning, right because I got this chronic glow back 244 00:15:39.879 --> 00:15:41.000 thing. If I don't do that, I literally can't play, I can't 245 00:15:41.000 --> 00:15:43.639 teach. So I have all this time to watch the Golf Channel. I 246 00:15:45.200 --> 00:15:48.919 DVR episodes, and there's a lot it's gotten better over the years in some 247 00:15:48.960 --> 00:15:52.639 ways. There's there's there's more fundamental or more laws of body and club motion 248 00:15:52.799 --> 00:15:56.960 based instruction than there used to be. It used to all be swing corrective 249 00:15:56.000 --> 00:16:00.360 on the Golf Channel. I like a lot of stuff Randall Chamblie have to 250 00:16:00.360 --> 00:16:04.000 say as far as some of their even though he's on the polar opposite issue 251 00:16:04.000 --> 00:16:07.480 of versus Tiger swing changes and I am, I still respect his opinion. 252 00:16:07.519 --> 00:16:11.879 I think he's a real bright guy. But you never hear this talked about, 253 00:16:12.039 --> 00:16:17.080 and it might because they don't have except for maybe Martin Hall and Michael 254 00:16:17.120 --> 00:16:21.639 Bred who are both very good teachers. They have you know, they're on 255 00:16:21.639 --> 00:16:23.679 there, they're regular shows. But even those two guys, they don't talk 256 00:16:23.759 --> 00:16:29.600 much about the philosophy. I would even go so far as say the epistemology, 257 00:16:29.639 --> 00:16:32.240 which is that branch of philosophy dealing with how we know what we know? 258 00:16:32.399 --> 00:16:34.840 Right, It's sort of like the like the early version of neuropsychology, 259 00:16:34.919 --> 00:16:38.200 Right, how do we know how to go about making a swing change? 260 00:16:38.200 --> 00:16:42.120 Well, one of the things you run up against as a serious student who 261 00:16:42.159 --> 00:16:48.639 is working with a teacher is that you're making bad body motions that you cannot 262 00:16:48.720 --> 00:16:52.240 stop in the short term from making. And it can be very, very 263 00:16:52.320 --> 00:16:55.639 very frustrating for the student, and so they need to know ahead of time 264 00:16:55.720 --> 00:16:57.519 going in. You know, by the way, not everything you work on 265 00:16:57.720 --> 00:17:00.519 is like this. Some things you can change relatively quickly and easily. Right, 266 00:17:00.600 --> 00:17:04.680 Some aspects of the swing, and it's different for every individual will be 267 00:17:04.759 --> 00:17:07.759 relatively easy to make the change, much faster than you might think, right. 268 00:17:08.200 --> 00:17:11.599 Other things will sort of take a moderate amount of time, so they're 269 00:17:11.640 --> 00:17:14.519 just a little bit frustrating. But there'll be some things you're going to work 270 00:17:14.519 --> 00:17:17.279 on if you're especially if you're doing a fundamental based approach, not a swing 271 00:17:17.319 --> 00:17:22.240 corrective approach. If you're working with a teacher on like Tiger did with Sean 272 00:17:22.920 --> 00:17:26.640 on keeping on stopping his arms, sling across his chest, move, which, 273 00:17:26.680 --> 00:17:29.720 by the way, ninety nine point nine percent of average golfers do. 274 00:17:30.240 --> 00:17:33.799 That's a real common thing to do wrong, right, you explain it again, 275 00:17:33.880 --> 00:17:34.920 give me more detail and know what you mean. Well, you know, 276 00:17:36.000 --> 00:17:38.279 we always talk about midline. So your spine is midline of your body. 277 00:17:38.279 --> 00:17:41.359 If you're facing the mirror, you look, you look at your torso 278 00:17:41.480 --> 00:17:45.240 right, some mid lines longitudinally you cut your body in half. It is. 279 00:17:45.319 --> 00:17:48.839 Draw your finger from your from your Adam's apple down to your belly button. 280 00:17:48.880 --> 00:17:52.559 That's your midline, right. But the best ball strikers do, even 281 00:17:52.599 --> 00:17:55.920 the ones who use the common Montgomery you know, the bubba of the sling 282 00:17:55.920 --> 00:17:59.920 style, right, even though they are swinging their eyes across their chest, 283 00:18:00.279 --> 00:18:03.640 they do most of that slinging across their chest after impact, after the ball's 284 00:18:03.680 --> 00:18:07.960 gone. Other words, if you look at a tour pro his left arm, 285 00:18:07.119 --> 00:18:11.640 measuring it where his left hand is as well, I'm talking about you 286 00:18:11.640 --> 00:18:15.240 know, six eight, nine, ten twelve inches to the right of midline 287 00:18:15.880 --> 00:18:18.799 at the moment he strikes the ball. And Joe average, who's like twenty 288 00:18:18.799 --> 00:18:23.640 handicap or higher, his left arm is the opposite. It's ten twelve inches 289 00:18:23.640 --> 00:18:27.160 to the left of midline of the impact, because that person is taking the 290 00:18:27.240 --> 00:18:30.119 muscles in their upper arm where they connect to the shoulder girdle, and they're 291 00:18:30.200 --> 00:18:34.759 using those muscles to sling or fling or throw the arms across midline, across 292 00:18:34.799 --> 00:18:38.359 the chest. And I call that the number one flow on golf. It's 293 00:18:38.519 --> 00:18:41.559 very pervasive, it's almost universal. Wait a minute, you've got to be 294 00:18:41.640 --> 00:18:45.799 confused here. The left hand for a right handed golfer, the left hand 295 00:18:45.880 --> 00:18:52.480 for the twenty handicapper. The left hand is right or left of the ball, 296 00:18:53.440 --> 00:18:59.720 left left of the ball, the left of their bodi's midline. Other 297 00:18:59.759 --> 00:19:03.799 words, what the player does they slow down their I'm sorry for go ahead. 298 00:19:03.920 --> 00:19:07.599 Isn't that the front of the in front of the ball, ahead of 299 00:19:07.640 --> 00:19:11.799 the ball. If it's the left of the well, it's better not to 300 00:19:11.880 --> 00:19:15.279 use the If we use the ball as a reference, we'll lose everybody's It's 301 00:19:15.279 --> 00:19:18.799 not about the ball, it's about where your hand is relative to your body 302 00:19:18.920 --> 00:19:22.119 to this case, to midline right. In other words, the tour pros, 303 00:19:22.160 --> 00:19:25.720 no matter what those four swing styles they use, to some extent, 304 00:19:25.880 --> 00:19:30.960 their body is moving to an open position as they strike the ball right, 305 00:19:30.519 --> 00:19:36.440 like in a sling style or on a thrust style, the shoulder girdles are 306 00:19:36.480 --> 00:19:38.759 going to be just a little bit open and impact, maybe five or ten 307 00:19:38.799 --> 00:19:42.359 degrees with an ultraspin style, like if you look at a hogan on a 308 00:19:42.440 --> 00:19:47.240 driver, or today Jim Curic, who uses a kind of an ultra spin 309 00:19:47.599 --> 00:19:51.839 forward swing and a swinging style backswing has got a very unusual swing obviously. 310 00:19:52.319 --> 00:19:53.480 But those guys, you know, the guys who use the ultra spin, 311 00:19:53.599 --> 00:19:59.119 especially their shoulder girdle on the driver's like thirty five degrees sometimes even forty five 312 00:19:59.160 --> 00:20:03.079 degrees open to the argent line the moment of impact. But they don't hit 313 00:20:03.079 --> 00:20:04.720 the ball forty five degrees to the left. They don't hit a big poll. 314 00:20:04.759 --> 00:20:08.440 They hit it dead straight, basically right, because their arms are to 315 00:20:08.480 --> 00:20:12.079 the right of their spine at impact. But the average person, when they 316 00:20:12.119 --> 00:20:15.559 approach impact, they slow down their body speed, it's called pivot stall, 317 00:20:17.119 --> 00:20:19.920 and they as their body slows down, they sling their arms across, kind 318 00:20:19.920 --> 00:20:22.759 of like trying to line up their left arm with their left arm pit. 319 00:20:23.519 --> 00:20:27.279 That's kind of what they're trying to do, almost going back to their starting 320 00:20:27.279 --> 00:20:32.680 to their address or set up position. Whereas in reality address and impact are 321 00:20:33.319 --> 00:20:36.680 very very very different in a good golf seling. Other words, your arms 322 00:20:36.680 --> 00:20:38.400 are further to the right of your body at impact than they were when you 323 00:20:38.400 --> 00:20:41.640 started on at a good golf seling, and the average person thinks just the 324 00:20:41.640 --> 00:20:45.319 opposite. They think they're supposed to be further to the left than when you 325 00:20:45.359 --> 00:20:48.519 started, and so that because they believe that, at least subconsciously, they 326 00:20:48.559 --> 00:20:53.359 believe it, that's what they do. And good players don't do that to 327 00:20:53.680 --> 00:20:56.599 varying degrees. Again, depending which of those four styles are using, their 328 00:20:56.680 --> 00:21:00.279 arms are to their right, their arms are both arms are to the right 329 00:21:00.359 --> 00:21:06.359 or midline of impact. Can I talk about tempo with you a little bit 330 00:21:06.400 --> 00:21:08.559 more? Yeah, yeah, sure. Are you familiar with John Novasel's work, 331 00:21:08.960 --> 00:21:14.400 Uh huh yep, and his his tour tempo and the three to one 332 00:21:14.599 --> 00:21:18.319 and the on the swing and then on the short game the one to one, 333 00:21:18.400 --> 00:21:21.880 which we spoke about recently. Yeah, it's really, it's really. 334 00:21:21.880 --> 00:21:25.000 I was aware of it. I think I think we even talked in the 335 00:21:25.039 --> 00:21:27.759 phone when it first came out, when I first heard about it, and 336 00:21:27.839 --> 00:21:30.960 we discussed it, and it's one hundred percent accurate. The only thing I 337 00:21:32.039 --> 00:21:36.920 think that's that's that's wrong with it. Is he based it on when the 338 00:21:36.960 --> 00:21:41.119 club's clubhead starts to move back, you know, starts to move in the 339 00:21:41.119 --> 00:21:45.519 forward swing down and forward. And even though that's that's one way you could 340 00:21:45.559 --> 00:21:48.200 define it, and that turns out to be it does turn out to be 341 00:21:48.240 --> 00:21:51.920 a three to one ratio. That's not when the forward swing begins. From 342 00:21:51.920 --> 00:21:56.440 a subjective golfer standpoint, the forward swing begins way earlier than that. I 343 00:21:56.440 --> 00:22:00.279 meaning, if you look at a good player, their tailbone is actually shifting 344 00:22:00.359 --> 00:22:04.920 to the left while the club is still moving back finishing the backswing. Oh 345 00:22:06.039 --> 00:22:07.279 interesting, So if you define it, which is how I define it, 346 00:22:07.359 --> 00:22:10.799 then it's actually a two to one ratio, not a three to one. 347 00:22:11.599 --> 00:22:15.119 But I guess on a visual I mean, because he was it seemed like 348 00:22:15.200 --> 00:22:19.720 he was basing it all on frames per second on video. Yeah, it's 349 00:22:19.759 --> 00:22:23.799 like easy to mark that club movement, right. But see, because he's 350 00:22:23.799 --> 00:22:26.079 not a golf teacher, this is this is he's more of a more I 351 00:22:26.119 --> 00:22:30.400 call it a golf researcher than it's someone who teaches, you know, like 352 00:22:30.440 --> 00:22:33.359 I do every day in the trenches, so to speak. You learned real 353 00:22:33.400 --> 00:22:37.240 quickly. If you get a student to focus too much on the club, 354 00:22:37.240 --> 00:22:38.160 that I try to get my students not to focus on the club at at 355 00:22:38.319 --> 00:22:42.079 all. And so if you define the swing, the forward swing is when 356 00:22:42.079 --> 00:22:45.640 the club that starts to move forward, then he's right, it's a three 357 00:22:45.680 --> 00:22:49.200 to one tempo. But one of the worst things you can do, especially 358 00:22:49.240 --> 00:22:52.359 if you're an average golfer, is to wait too long at the top to 359 00:22:52.480 --> 00:22:59.119 sense a pause, because again, what great players do is their lower body 360 00:22:59.160 --> 00:23:02.759 is already starting the forward swing while their shoulders are still completing the back swing. 361 00:23:03.240 --> 00:23:06.240 So if you look at the average tour pro, they have around ten 362 00:23:06.279 --> 00:23:10.839 to fifteen degrees of shoulder turned to complete when you see their tailbones starting to 363 00:23:10.839 --> 00:23:15.000 shift over to the left to start the forward swing with their lower body, 364 00:23:15.240 --> 00:23:18.119 they don't wait till they sense the club that stopped moving for a freshment a 365 00:23:18.160 --> 00:23:22.319 second, and then then start their tailbone shift to the left. This is 366 00:23:22.319 --> 00:23:26.680 making any sense, They're moving their lower body first well before they finish their 367 00:23:26.680 --> 00:23:32.680 back sling. I wish I had So that's how yeah, I'm saying, 368 00:23:32.680 --> 00:23:36.160 I wish I had nine or ten hours a day to practice my golf swing. 369 00:23:37.319 --> 00:23:38.240 Think of it, this way. If you look at a baseball pitcher 370 00:23:38.359 --> 00:23:44.440 or a quarterback in the NFL, when they're extending their arm back and rotating 371 00:23:44.480 --> 00:23:48.119 their chest and shoulders back, that last little bit of chest rotation in the 372 00:23:48.160 --> 00:23:52.559 back move right. While they're doing that, their lower body is stepping into 373 00:23:52.559 --> 00:23:57.319 the throw. It's called natural athletic throwing motion and biod mechanics. So their 374 00:23:57.359 --> 00:24:00.799 lower body is moving toward the target, upperbodies moving away from the target at 375 00:24:00.799 --> 00:24:06.599 the same time. Nobody stops the whole body motion all at once and then 376 00:24:06.640 --> 00:24:10.920 starts the body motion all at once, the lower bodies moving towards the target 377 00:24:10.960 --> 00:24:12.359 while the upper body moves away from the target. And that's an important what 378 00:24:12.480 --> 00:24:18.160 we call law of the transition. Yeah. I've always struggled with this concept 379 00:24:18.200 --> 00:24:22.240 of pausing at the top of the swing and people who like kind of hang 380 00:24:22.279 --> 00:24:26.279 there for a moment. Yeah, it's it's a big flaw. Yeah. 381 00:24:26.440 --> 00:24:30.480 The main reason why it doesn't work is when people pause, we're literally their 382 00:24:30.480 --> 00:24:33.039 lower bodies not shifting. It's stopping. When their shoulders stop, and when 383 00:24:33.039 --> 00:24:37.440 the club stops, everything kind of stops all together. It allows an opportunity 384 00:24:37.519 --> 00:24:42.160 for the conscious mind and non athletic intellectual thinking mind to jump back on stage, 385 00:24:42.640 --> 00:24:47.640 push the subconscious mind off stage, and take control of a golf swing 386 00:24:48.079 --> 00:24:52.559 in three main areas. The hit impulse takes over, the scooping impulse takes 387 00:24:52.599 --> 00:24:55.279 over, and the steering or manipulation impulse takes over. In fact, it 388 00:24:55.279 --> 00:24:57.519 could be all free. And so what if people do who again, who 389 00:24:57.559 --> 00:25:00.960 are fifty handicaps are higher? What's one of the big flaws they do? 390 00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:04.119 They throw the club at from their wrists joint at the ball when they start 391 00:25:04.160 --> 00:25:07.559 their forward swing. They don't maintain the wrist angle on the way down like 392 00:25:07.599 --> 00:25:11.240 the pros do. Why don't they Because they see the ball, they sense 393 00:25:11.279 --> 00:25:15.799 their body stopping the motion all at the same time, and it's a pause 394 00:25:15.839 --> 00:25:21.920 that allows them to think, hit the ball. And so a voice in 395 00:25:21.920 --> 00:25:25.359 your head literally said, I'm not making this up. Hit the damn ball, 396 00:25:25.640 --> 00:25:29.400 exclamation point. And so they do with the wrong body part their wrists 397 00:25:29.440 --> 00:25:33.759 or their arms or the right elbow, we're all three. Whereas what the 398 00:25:33.759 --> 00:25:36.880 pros do is while they're finishing the back swing, they aren't thinking about hitting 399 00:25:36.880 --> 00:25:40.720 the ball because all they're thinking about is the sort of reconnecting to the ground, 400 00:25:41.000 --> 00:25:42.759 shifting their weight left with their lower body and kind of what like Nicholas 401 00:25:42.759 --> 00:25:48.480 called it's settling into the shot. And you know we in our school we 402 00:25:48.519 --> 00:25:51.759 do alot the drill for this called get ready, get set go, And 403 00:25:51.839 --> 00:25:52.960 you can do it with a ball or without a ball. But basically you 404 00:25:53.000 --> 00:25:56.319 say that you say the phrase get ready as you do your back swing. 405 00:25:56.960 --> 00:26:00.640 When you do the transition the way I described it, where you're finishing your 406 00:26:00.640 --> 00:26:03.079 shoulder turn that last ten degrees or so in your table and shifting left, 407 00:26:03.559 --> 00:26:07.759 you say get set, meaning get set right, not get ready go, 408 00:26:07.920 --> 00:26:11.599 which is what high handicappers do when they succumb to the hit impulse. It's 409 00:26:11.599 --> 00:26:15.079 get ready, get set. And then when your hands get down below waist 410 00:26:15.160 --> 00:26:18.799 tie or a round ways time with your wrists fully cocked, then you say 411 00:26:18.880 --> 00:26:22.559 go, and you create the go by simply turning your body and letting s 412 00:26:22.559 --> 00:26:26.759 a trifugal force snap open your wristcock angle. So it's get ready, get 413 00:26:26.839 --> 00:26:30.440 set go, not get ready to go. So when you pause it becomes 414 00:26:30.480 --> 00:26:37.559 get ready to go. But back to John Novosol, so, I think 415 00:26:37.559 --> 00:26:41.319 if he would have presented it as a two to one rhythm. By the 416 00:26:41.319 --> 00:26:44.759 way, and that's what I call rhythm, not tempo. Tempo to me 417 00:26:44.839 --> 00:26:47.960 is the elapse time on the clock from start to finish of your swing, 418 00:26:48.000 --> 00:26:52.480 which is roughly one and a half seconds duration. So if you saw it 419 00:26:52.480 --> 00:26:56.160 as a two to one ratio, it would be when you feel you're in 420 00:26:56.200 --> 00:27:00.519 the three quarterback swing position, not full backswing, you begin what we call 421 00:27:00.599 --> 00:27:04.200 the transition trigger, which is your brain has to send an impulse to your 422 00:27:04.200 --> 00:27:08.200 belly, to your oblique aps to shift to the left, followed by a 423 00:27:08.240 --> 00:27:11.880 shifting of your tailbomb to the left. And so that's the trigger. That's 424 00:27:11.880 --> 00:27:15.160 what creates your transition. Your initial transition trigger is that shifting of your belly 425 00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:22.000 muscles to the left while your shoulder girdle is coiling to the right. And 426 00:27:22.039 --> 00:27:25.200 then when you define it that way, if that's the beginning of the forward 427 00:27:25.240 --> 00:27:27.279 swing, when you fire the belly to the left, it's exactly or nearly 428 00:27:27.359 --> 00:27:32.599 exactly a two to one ratio, not a three to one. It just 429 00:27:32.599 --> 00:27:37.440 works better that way. Otherwise, you're waiting to feel that everything that the 430 00:27:37.799 --> 00:27:40.839 club is pausing for that fraction of a second, your shoulders are pausing for 431 00:27:40.880 --> 00:27:44.400 that fraction of a second, and you've got time to beep that beap with 432 00:27:44.519 --> 00:27:52.759 your with your impact beep. I want to get back to Tiger again because 433 00:27:52.799 --> 00:27:57.839 this is so much fun. Yeah. If here we are a week and 434 00:27:57.880 --> 00:28:03.000 a half in front of the Open being played at the Olympic Club in San 435 00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:07.039 Francisco, which is you know, from all indications, it's going to be 436 00:28:07.079 --> 00:28:10.960 a brutal course on these guys. I mean the US Opened. That's the 437 00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:14.200 whole point of the US Open anyway, right, I mean you know, 438 00:28:14.359 --> 00:28:18.680 one under par could win the whole thing, where you know other tournaments, 439 00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:23.480 or even one over par. Yeah, exactly, And you know, following 440 00:28:23.480 --> 00:28:30.039 what Tiger has been doing. No, And he even commented after the memorial 441 00:28:30.039 --> 00:28:34.519 and the press conference that his book from and I found this fascinating, his 442 00:28:34.599 --> 00:28:40.000 book from ninety eight. He had to throw it out. It's almost a 443 00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:45.839 completely different golf course. Yeah, yeah, I'm curious. Here we are 444 00:28:45.920 --> 00:28:48.200 a week and a half in front and when people are going to be listening 445 00:28:48.200 --> 00:28:51.519 to this, it's going to be well afterwards, you want to make any 446 00:28:51.519 --> 00:28:55.680 predictions, well, I think you got to make Tiger the favorite the way 447 00:28:55.680 --> 00:28:59.119 he's playing, and I'm pretty sure on the sports betting sites he is the 448 00:28:59.119 --> 00:29:03.519 favorite too. You know, you'd hope it'd be a Rory Tiger matchup, 449 00:29:03.519 --> 00:29:06.440 but obviously Rory's in a little mini slam, but missing three cuts in a 450 00:29:06.519 --> 00:29:08.000 row, which is kind of a shame because that's got to hurt a young 451 00:29:08.000 --> 00:29:11.440 man's confidence too. Yeah, yeah, that, and what do you see 452 00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:14.480 that. I'm sure he'll get it back at some point, but that's going 453 00:29:14.519 --> 00:29:19.039 to be the big Nicholas Palmer rivalry of the modern airas Michael roy Woods at 454 00:29:19.079 --> 00:29:22.880 least to the next I don't know. Tiger's what thirty six? Still thy 455 00:29:22.960 --> 00:29:26.039 thirty seven? I think in December and January? And do you think he's 456 00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:29.880 probably got eight more years left a really good golf at least I think he 457 00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:33.599 stays healthy. Yeah, yeah, And do you think that You know, 458 00:29:33.799 --> 00:29:38.960 there's two two benchmarks here that we're looking at. One is winning nine more 459 00:29:40.000 --> 00:29:45.200 tournaments to have more wins than anybody else, and the tenth would be and 460 00:29:45.240 --> 00:29:48.240 then there's the majors. There's Nicholas majors and reaching that. Do you think 461 00:29:48.279 --> 00:29:52.920 both of those he'll be able to achieve in the direction that he's heading with 462 00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:56.480 this swing change. You know, if you asked me that a year and 463 00:29:56.480 --> 00:29:57.960 a half ago, I would have said I was saying no at the time 464 00:29:59.279 --> 00:30:03.079 because I I really saw how badly his confidence was shattered by the scandal. 465 00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:06.240 Yeah, and also by his injuries. You know, I'm someone who's I've 466 00:30:06.279 --> 00:30:08.359 struggled a lot of my own injuries the last eight years at my back and 467 00:30:08.400 --> 00:30:11.480 some other health issues. And it's you know, it's a hard game when 468 00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:15.920 you're healthy, right, Yeah, but at the highest level. Imagine what 469 00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:18.279 it's like playing golf within millions of people. You're being paid in millions of 470 00:30:18.319 --> 00:30:22.200 dollars by your corporate sponsors to win and to do well and to draw viewers 471 00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:26.680 and to watch the you know, the TV broadcast, and then this horrible 472 00:30:26.799 --> 00:30:32.319 personal scandal erupts and you've got, uh, you know, a broken tibbia 473 00:30:32.359 --> 00:30:38.799 in three spots and massive ACL damage and left a killes tendon tendonitis and occasionally 474 00:30:38.839 --> 00:30:41.920 has a problem with his neck and with his lower back. I mean, 475 00:30:42.720 --> 00:30:45.240 the guy is just I mean, what can you say. I mean, 476 00:30:45.680 --> 00:30:48.480 it's hard. It's you know, it's hard to play golf if you for 477 00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:52.039 whatever reason, if you have no confidence or very little confidence, it's almost 478 00:30:52.039 --> 00:30:57.599 impossible to play well. But what appears to be the case is that in 479 00:30:57.640 --> 00:31:00.519 his case it was more of the other way he did. He did it 480 00:31:00.559 --> 00:31:04.920 to Bobby knightway. He so improved his technique. His swing is so much 481 00:31:04.920 --> 00:31:07.599 better than it used to be. I can't tell you, I can't praise 482 00:31:07.599 --> 00:31:12.480 Sean Folei and Tiger enough for what they've done is just remarkable. I mean, 483 00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:17.880 this swing is almost as good as justin Roses. It's almost as good 484 00:31:17.880 --> 00:31:21.799 as Sean o'harris. It's almost as good as Hunter Mayhons in terms of just 485 00:31:21.839 --> 00:31:26.319 technically correct. You're hitting all the positions and the plane angle. It's a 486 00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:29.640 lot simpler golf swing than it used to be. And uh, you know, 487 00:31:29.720 --> 00:31:33.000 if he gets I guess he's still a little bit a little bit uh 488 00:31:33.319 --> 00:31:37.200 not super confident in the short putts of around six feet to two feet in 489 00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:40.720 that range. But if he gets some practice timing on that, which he 490 00:31:40.799 --> 00:31:42.559 probably will do. Now that his golf swing is so much better, he's 491 00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:45.400 not going to need to practice his his balls tricking so much. He'll be 492 00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:49.319 able to go back to his you know, his former amount of time dedicated 493 00:31:49.359 --> 00:31:52.839 to putting and short game. No, I think he's going to break Nicholas's 494 00:31:52.839 --> 00:31:57.400 record by maybe five or six majors. I think, will oh wow, 495 00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:04.119 make five more to he got fourteen. Nichol says eighteen. So yeah, 496 00:32:04.160 --> 00:32:07.279 I think he could. I think he could easily win ten more majors if 497 00:32:07.319 --> 00:32:10.000 he accept it. All depends on his health, if he stays healthy, 498 00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:14.039 right, and which apparently he's dedicated to doing. I mean, he works 499 00:32:14.039 --> 00:32:16.480 out all the time, and you know, I mean he could he could 500 00:32:16.519 --> 00:32:20.839 certainly win a major. I mean I could see him if he stays healthy 501 00:32:21.079 --> 00:32:22.920 with his new swing, which is, by the way, the new swing 502 00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:25.359 is easier in his back than his old swing. Yeah, I can see 503 00:32:25.440 --> 00:32:30.000 him winning a major even in his even maybe you know, early to mid 504 00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:32.200 fifties. I mean, if he stays healthy. Oh wow, So he 505 00:32:32.240 --> 00:32:36.680 could be. And you think he'll stay on He'll stay on this tour. 506 00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:39.319 I won't go over to the Champions Tour even when he gets his Yeah, 507 00:32:39.880 --> 00:32:43.480 I think, yeah, that's kind of I mean, he'll probably do both 508 00:32:43.519 --> 00:32:45.039 there for for a few years and eventually, maybe in his mid fifties go 509 00:32:45.079 --> 00:32:47.720 to the Champions Tour. Hen a quick golfer who knows, I mean, 510 00:32:47.720 --> 00:32:51.799 he may just decide to He said enough and he'll do something else. But 511 00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:54.839 man, I mean I think he's I really do think he's back. And 512 00:32:55.880 --> 00:32:59.559 you know, if he starts winning a few more tournaments, his confidence is 513 00:32:59.559 --> 00:33:01.920 going to store and once people don't realize. And I've said this before, 514 00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:05.720 I think on your broadcast we'll say it again. The reason he was the 515 00:33:05.720 --> 00:33:08.160 greatest player and he dominated back and that was in nineteen ninety six when he 516 00:33:08.200 --> 00:33:13.559 came on tour. He really dominated between there in about what two thousand and 517 00:33:14.480 --> 00:33:16.559 two, I guess that was a six year period where he really won everything 518 00:33:16.559 --> 00:33:22.920 pretty much. He didn't have He was the best putter. Now I'm not 519 00:33:22.960 --> 00:33:24.480 talking about mechanics. I'm just talking about getting the ball in the hole. 520 00:33:24.759 --> 00:33:29.519 Althoughse mechanics were certainly good. He was the best short game wizard out there 521 00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:34.240 by mile. But the reason he won and the reason he dominated was he 522 00:33:34.319 --> 00:33:38.359 was he was orders of magnitude more confident than anybody else on the tour. 523 00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:44.240 And he knew he was more confident than anybody else, and all the other 524 00:33:44.279 --> 00:33:47.319 players knew he was more confident. There was an intimidation factor as well, 525 00:33:47.519 --> 00:33:52.359 Yeah, exactly. I mean everybody on the course knew every play, everybody 526 00:33:52.400 --> 00:33:54.720 who had clubs in their hands on the course, knew that if he was 527 00:33:54.799 --> 00:34:00.440 making a move, they you know, they couldn't play defensively anymore. They 528 00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:02.799 had to be more aggressive. And it's like, oh my gosh, what 529 00:34:02.839 --> 00:34:07.279 are we going to do now? This is another one of my pet peas 530 00:34:07.279 --> 00:34:09.079 and golf instruction. I mean, and I've in front of this. You 531 00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:13.440 know something I've certainly learned more in the last few years. I've always known 532 00:34:13.480 --> 00:34:15.000 this, but I've really known it because of my own struggles with my low 533 00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:19.199 back issue and you're not playing well most of the time. In the last 534 00:34:19.199 --> 00:34:22.719 five years, even after my back has been partially healed, which it has 535 00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:27.880 been recently, I found something that works. I'm still getting some bad shots 536 00:34:28.039 --> 00:34:30.480 compared to how I used to hit it, purely because I don't I don't 537 00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:35.280 have the confidence and you know, and if you have, in my case, 538 00:34:35.320 --> 00:34:37.920 it's fear of hurting my back. I'm just unwinding, turning my hips 539 00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:40.079 and my body through the shot. When you have that fear that you're going 540 00:34:40.119 --> 00:34:45.159 to hurt yourself, you'll flinch and then the french will create the bad shot, 541 00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:45.920 and then then the next time you go to hit a golf ball, 542 00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:50.280 you've got two things going on. You've got fear hurting yourself, the original 543 00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:52.760 issue, and you've got the fear of hitting a bad shot, which is 544 00:34:52.760 --> 00:34:57.599 another way of saying you lack confidence. So what I've been doing just recently 545 00:34:57.880 --> 00:35:00.880 in my own game, which has really helped a lot, something I've taught 546 00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:06.679 people for years, but really lately I'll expand on this here in a minute. 547 00:35:06.760 --> 00:35:09.480 With average golfers I've been doing it, which is to teach confidence as 548 00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:14.440 a fundamental of the golf swing, a fundamental of the putting stroke, a 549 00:35:14.480 --> 00:35:19.559 fundamental of your short game strokes. It's like an essential piece of the pie 550 00:35:19.639 --> 00:35:22.079 or piece of the puzzle that you must have. You could have the greatest 551 00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:25.039 golf swing mechanics in the world, the greatest balance, the greatest timing, 552 00:35:25.639 --> 00:35:29.559 and if you walk up to the golf ball and you lack confidence and your 553 00:35:29.559 --> 00:35:30.719 ability hit it, well, guess what, You're not going to hit it. 554 00:35:30.760 --> 00:35:36.400 Well. It's that important. In some ways, it's more important mechanics. 555 00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:39.440 And so what I've done in the last couple of years in my teaching 556 00:35:39.559 --> 00:35:44.119 is basically made this a very very important principle. And I tell people, 557 00:35:44.159 --> 00:35:46.599 look, there's no point in walking on the golf course. If you're going 558 00:35:46.679 --> 00:35:50.159 to have fear over a golf shot, or if you're gonna have anxiety over 559 00:35:50.199 --> 00:35:52.400 a golf shot, I will talk about the beginning of they're sure even if 560 00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:57.039 it's long part three over water you get two hundred and twenty yard carry and 561 00:35:57.119 --> 00:36:00.360 when you get one or two club wind in your face, if you get 562 00:36:00.400 --> 00:36:01.880 it really good with your three with you might make it over. You know, 563 00:36:02.360 --> 00:36:06.559 it's normal in the beginning of the of your of your routine to have 564 00:36:06.599 --> 00:36:09.000 fear. The point is you can't stay with that fear while you're striking at 565 00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:13.400 the ball. At some point before you walk up to the ball and settle 566 00:36:13.400 --> 00:36:15.159 into your set up, your starting position, you've got to banish that fear 567 00:36:15.199 --> 00:36:20.559 and replace it with confidence. And there's there's a technique for that. There's 568 00:36:20.599 --> 00:36:22.679 a technique for method acting. There's a technique from MLP for how to do 569 00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:28.039 that. It's called changing your state. You can change your state consciously, 570 00:36:28.119 --> 00:36:31.960 choose to change your state from one of fear to one of courage. And 571 00:36:32.039 --> 00:36:35.440 to me, it's like, so it's so important to do that. And 572 00:36:35.480 --> 00:36:37.480 I think again, that's what a tiger had that nobody else had. To 573 00:36:37.480 --> 00:36:40.719 that extent, and he's starting to get it back. And because he's getting 574 00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:49.719 it back, I really think he's going to start winning a lot. What 575 00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:52.280 did you know about Sean Foley before Tiger announced that he was going to be 576 00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:55.679 working with him? Had you heard about him? Well? Yeah, I 577 00:36:55.719 --> 00:36:59.679 did. I mean it's you know, yeah, there's sort of an insight 578 00:36:59.719 --> 00:37:02.960 based ball sort of gossip thing that happens with the in the golf community. 579 00:37:05.079 --> 00:37:09.559 I'd heard good and bad things. I heard that he had. He's actually 580 00:37:09.559 --> 00:37:14.960 admitted this to his credit. He had taken on Parkerbergloughlin from Hawaii as a 581 00:37:14.960 --> 00:37:20.079 student and basically ruined his game. And Sean is, I mean, I 582 00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:22.159 hate to be blunt, but that's as you know, that's my style. 583 00:37:22.159 --> 00:37:27.639 Uh. He radically changed his Yeah, he radically changed his left hand grip 584 00:37:27.679 --> 00:37:30.639 for one that from an ideal standpoint, probably was a little too strong, 585 00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:35.079 too much turned to the right. Uh, and he tried to move it 586 00:37:35.119 --> 00:37:37.679 over too quickly to the left. And you know, and I think with 587 00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:39.079 Shawn has since learned. He said this is that you know, with a 588 00:37:39.199 --> 00:37:43.400 with a really good player, you get a real talented tour pro. It's 589 00:37:43.440 --> 00:37:45.880 like a thoroughbred racing horse. You don't want to do too many changes to 590 00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:47.840 it. You don't want to change his diet too much. You don't want 591 00:37:47.840 --> 00:37:51.599 to change his exercise routine because you might ruin it. Right, there's so 592 00:37:51.760 --> 00:37:54.280 there's so much natural ability with an already gifted player, like a tour pro. 593 00:37:55.159 --> 00:38:00.000 What you want to do, for the most part is unless unless, 594 00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:02.639 unless the unless. If the pro wants a radical change, like Tiger did, 595 00:38:04.039 --> 00:38:06.360 and Tiger basically said that, fully, throw the book at me. 596 00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:09.599 This Haney stuff ain't working. I got to do something. I mean, 597 00:38:09.760 --> 00:38:13.519 I'm dying here. I got to change my swing. Right. He knew 598 00:38:13.559 --> 00:38:16.159 that there was some fundamental weaknesses in his Hani swing, that things were not 599 00:38:16.199 --> 00:38:20.559 only not getting better, but they were getting worse, particularly with the driver. 600 00:38:21.880 --> 00:38:23.440 So in that case, Fully said, okay, I'll throw the book 601 00:38:23.440 --> 00:38:27.599 at you. So they embarked in a process of radical swing change as well. 602 00:38:28.400 --> 00:38:30.280 I don't know. I don't know what happened with Parker and Sean in 603 00:38:30.320 --> 00:38:34.039 terms of what they were what Parker expressed, but I mean, obviously Parker 604 00:38:34.039 --> 00:38:36.800 wanted to get better at ball striking. Sean said we're going to change your 605 00:38:36.840 --> 00:38:39.039 grip, and it made it worse. And that's always the problem when you 606 00:38:39.079 --> 00:38:42.920 when you make a rip back in pros and cons with the two methods, 607 00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:47.679 the cons of a radical swing change are, at least temporarily even for an 608 00:38:47.679 --> 00:38:52.559 average player, let alone a tour pro, you can get worse. In 609 00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:55.400 my experience, it tends to be the opposite, though, average players tend 610 00:38:55.480 --> 00:39:00.440 to get really really good pretty quickly when you make radical change. Uh. 611 00:39:01.159 --> 00:39:06.199 Again, as long as that too radical for you know, moderately radical uh 612 00:39:06.440 --> 00:39:10.199 and really good players tend to get worse. So I tend I tend to 613 00:39:10.239 --> 00:39:13.599 be very wary. I did. I tend to be very conservative. I 614 00:39:13.639 --> 00:39:19.199 work with already gifted low handicap amateurs and prosu and I tend to be very 615 00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:22.000 radical with the with the high handicappers who are willing to put the time in. 616 00:39:22.039 --> 00:39:23.079 Obviously, if they tell me they're not willing to practice, then I 617 00:39:23.119 --> 00:39:25.719 don't I don't do it. But if they were, if they're one to 618 00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:30.400 put a year or two of training into making their swing more like a tour 619 00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:34.559 pros uh, than I'm willing to work with with average players who will who 620 00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:37.480 are commits to who are who at that level of commitment. So were you 621 00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:42.320 surprised that Tiger from what you heard from inside Baseball did Were you surprised that 622 00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:47.360 Tiger chose Sean Foley? Yeah, actually I was, but you know the 623 00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:51.480 boss on Foley was and if this is still true, if you listen to 624 00:39:51.480 --> 00:39:54.480 with Sean O'Hare, Shawn O'Hair was the first really good player to work with 625 00:39:54.480 --> 00:39:59.360 Foley. He worked with Steven Ames, who was his first tour pro, 626 00:39:59.800 --> 00:40:02.239 and that was because a buddy of Stephen Ames who was friends with Foley and 627 00:40:02.360 --> 00:40:08.480 was impressed with Foley's short game instruction. Foley was mainly a He made his 628 00:40:08.519 --> 00:40:15.280 reputation up in Canada working with juniors, not even working with average amateur adults, 629 00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:17.840 although we obviously did both. But he made a niche for himself working 630 00:40:17.880 --> 00:40:22.159 with juniors. And they formed the I forget the name of it, even 631 00:40:22.239 --> 00:40:25.039 with the sea. The name escaped somebody escapes me at the moment. But 632 00:40:25.079 --> 00:40:31.519 they formed a golf academy in Orlando, and he was actually an employee at 633 00:40:31.519 --> 00:40:36.559 this golf academy that was mainly geared towards juniors. They had they had I 634 00:40:36.559 --> 00:40:38.519 think they had a winter base in Orlando, in summer base up in somewhere 635 00:40:38.519 --> 00:40:43.960 in camping outside Toronto. But anyhow he met Stephen Ames through a buddy and 636 00:40:44.119 --> 00:40:49.480 then Aimes introduced into Shan O'Hare. But the buzz on Foley was he was 637 00:40:49.519 --> 00:40:53.480 more like a mental game wizard, slash mentor to some of these younger guys, 638 00:40:53.519 --> 00:40:57.599 actually guys who are basically around his own age or maybe a little bit 639 00:40:57.639 --> 00:41:02.440 younger. But Foley's very well read. It was the core core golf tours, 640 00:41:02.480 --> 00:41:07.480 Yeah, correct, core golficad right correct the internet. You know, 641 00:41:07.519 --> 00:41:12.480 I mean he's he's not He's not in the traditional mold of a golf teacher. 642 00:41:12.519 --> 00:41:16.239 He's left wing in his politics as I am. I like that aren't 643 00:41:16.239 --> 00:41:21.760 too many left wing golf teachers out there. Uh. He reads, he 644 00:41:21.800 --> 00:41:25.280 reads philosophy, he reads psychology. Uh. And he was applying some of 645 00:41:25.320 --> 00:41:29.400 his you know, some of his some of some of his sort of life 646 00:41:29.440 --> 00:41:34.280 wisdom to the younger pros like Sean O'Hare and then Justin Rose and then Hunter 647 00:41:34.360 --> 00:41:37.119 Mayhon, and they're basically saying he made them better, not so much because 648 00:41:37.159 --> 00:41:39.719 of the swing changes. Because he looked at vest and Rose's swing and Sean 649 00:41:39.719 --> 00:41:45.679 O'Hair swing, Hunter Mayon swing, it didn't change radically at all from their 650 00:41:45.679 --> 00:41:49.400 previous teachers. After they worked with Folio for like, you know, the 651 00:41:49.440 --> 00:41:52.400 first year or two, especially the same swings, not that I mean they 652 00:41:52.480 --> 00:41:57.440 both say the changes for sure, but their second they're they're minor changes. 653 00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:02.599 But they liked working with because he was a great mentor on the mental side. 654 00:42:04.119 --> 00:42:06.400 He kind of got them pumped up. He got them to believe in 655 00:42:06.400 --> 00:42:09.039 themselves, to have more confidence, like we were talking about earlier. And 656 00:42:09.039 --> 00:42:13.280 that's kind of what we heard more about. Not so much a swing change 657 00:42:13.519 --> 00:42:17.079 guru, but more of a mental game guru. But now that's going to 658 00:42:17.199 --> 00:42:21.559 change because he obviously he and Tiger did some, like I said, really 659 00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:24.440 radical swing changes, much more radical than he worked with those other guys. 660 00:42:27.239 --> 00:42:30.400 Hey listen, not that I that you and I couldn't go on for another 661 00:42:30.440 --> 00:42:32.559 three and a half hours, but I have an appointment a couple of minutes. 662 00:42:35.000 --> 00:42:38.119 Have you business call coming up, So let's before you go, please 663 00:42:38.360 --> 00:42:44.639 promote your golf schools where when how to get in touch? Sure we have 664 00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:49.400 I think our students, both of our graduates will tell you we have actually 665 00:42:49.480 --> 00:42:52.039 happened so often in fewyears. We changed our slogan the best golf school in 666 00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:55.000 the nation. Some people say the best golf school in the planet, but 667 00:42:55.039 --> 00:42:58.960 I don't know if I go that far. But I haven't been everywhere in 668 00:42:58.960 --> 00:43:02.800 the planet, so I guess qualified saying the planet. But uh, it's 669 00:43:02.960 --> 00:43:08.679 very effective and it's web addresses, balancepoint golf dot com. And where are 670 00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:17.639 the less Oh yeah, Portland, Oregon in the uh summer months and Hawaii 671 00:43:19.480 --> 00:43:23.880 and Singapore in the winter months. So let me let me make one more 672 00:43:23.920 --> 00:43:29.039 plug, which I probably don't do enough. You guarantee anybody I opened the 673 00:43:29.079 --> 00:43:30.239 door for you, man, I let you do it. But this will 674 00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:32.840 just take a second. This will go for it. One of the things 675 00:43:32.880 --> 00:43:37.599 one of the positive feedbacks we get from almost every graduate, which is a 676 00:43:37.639 --> 00:43:42.400 nice side of benefit besides the incredible level of improvement they get, is people 677 00:43:42.400 --> 00:43:46.079 are also say funniest golf school. Uh. And I was talking. I 678 00:43:46.119 --> 00:43:50.920 talked my number one assistant, Cliff Goldman, who is so funny. He's 679 00:43:50.920 --> 00:43:52.800 sort of like a combination of Larry David and Woody Allen, and he has 680 00:43:52.840 --> 00:43:59.519 people literally falling off their chairs, gasping for air, laughing so hard. 681 00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:06.119 Regular basis, well, you're learning all this cool information about golf, you're 682 00:44:06.199 --> 00:44:08.920 laughing a lot's awol. Yeah, and you know and listen. Uh. 683 00:44:09.159 --> 00:44:15.800 And if you bring me along, then you'll have the corniest podcast host who 684 00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:20.719 specializes in daddy humor, which means every time I tell a joke, people 685 00:44:20.800 --> 00:44:24.599 roll their eyes. It's like, oh God, come on dad, Yeah 686 00:44:24.679 --> 00:44:28.159 right, I mean every kid get that. Every you know, people think 687 00:44:28.159 --> 00:44:30.559 you're funny, but your kids don't. What is it? What's up with 688 00:44:30.679 --> 00:44:32.519 that? Right? That's exactly that. That's my that's my dilemment in life. 689 00:44:32.599 --> 00:44:37.280 Yet it's like not funny dad, right, right? And you know 690 00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:40.800 what, I am just going to be patient because I know that so many 691 00:44:40.840 --> 00:44:44.639 of the jokes that I've been telling my kid's life, when they become dads, 692 00:44:44.639 --> 00:44:46.599 they're going to use the same jokes and I get to look at them 693 00:44:46.599 --> 00:44:52.760 and go, hah, yeah, I hope, I hope I get to 694 00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:57.039 be there for that. Well, if you like politically incorrect humor, I 695 00:44:57.119 --> 00:45:00.719 mean a little bit of Bill Hicks, a little bit of h uh Richard 696 00:45:00.760 --> 00:45:06.239 pryor a little bit of Larry David, that kind of humor, you'll you'll 697 00:45:06.239 --> 00:45:07.920 love, uh, you love me and cliffs our stuff. We got some 698 00:45:07.960 --> 00:45:12.000 good good bits we'll use it in school. Well, best of luck with 699 00:45:12.039 --> 00:45:14.960 your your schools coming up. Jim, it was great to speak with you 700 00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:19.800 again and we will stay in touch and do it more often. Great thanks Bred