1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:06,240 Golf Smarter number three hundred and forty published on June twenty nine, twenty twelve. 2 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:12,640 Welcome to Golf Smarter Mulligans, your second chance to gain insight and advice 3 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:19,640 from the best instructors featured on the Golf Smarter podcast. Great Golf Instruction Never 4 00:00:19,719 --> 00:00:26,199 gets Old. Our interview library features hundreds of hours of game improvement conversations like 5 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:30,480 this that are no longer available in any podcast app. In our school, 6 00:00:30,519 --> 00:00:33,359 we do all the drill for this called get ready, get set, go, 7 00:00:33,719 --> 00:00:35,479 and you can do it with a ball or without a ball. But 8 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:38,479 basically you say the phrase get ready as you do your backswing. When you 9 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:41,439 do the transition the way I describe it, where you're finishing your shoulder turn 10 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:44,439 that last ten degrees or so on your table and shifting left, you say 11 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,640 get set, meaning get set, not get ready go, which is what 12 00:00:47,759 --> 00:00:51,359 high handicappers do when they succumb to the hit impulse. It's get ready, 13 00:00:51,439 --> 00:00:54,399 get set, and then when your hands get down below waist high or a 14 00:00:54,439 --> 00:00:58,159 round waiste time with you lists fully cocked, then you say go and you 15 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:00,920 create the go by simply turning your box lettings a trip before snap open your 16 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:04,200 risk cock angle, So it's get ready, get set go, not get 17 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,840 ready to go. So when you pause, it becomes get ready to go. 18 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:21,120 More swing change analysis with Jim Waldrip. This is Golf Smarter, sharing 19 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:26,480 tips and insights from golfers and golf professionals to help lower your score. It's 20 00:01:26,519 --> 00:01:30,159 worked for your host, Fred Green. Welcome back to Golf Smarter from members 21 00:01:30,159 --> 00:01:34,680 only. Jim, Thanks Dred. Great to be here again. Well you 22 00:01:34,719 --> 00:01:40,439 haven't left. Nope, this is continuation. So in cyberspace, I'm back, 23 00:01:40,519 --> 00:01:42,760 but in real time and space, I'm still here. You're still together 24 00:01:44,159 --> 00:01:51,519 after all these years. So we were getting into Tigers changes and you were 25 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:57,920 saying less arms better spine angle Part three was and I stopped you right in 26 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:00,200 mid thought. Here, let's just pick it right up. I'll tell you 27 00:02:00,519 --> 00:02:04,640 his tempo. I mean, someone asked me on in one of these web 28 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,560 forums. I'm on a lot like golf works dot com or some other ones. 29 00:02:07,159 --> 00:02:09,639 You know, if I had a chance to work with Tigers this a 30 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:13,000 few years ago, what would I change If I only had to pick one 31 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,280 thing? And because you know, there was a lot going on and that 32 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:19,479 he needed to work on. And that's that's again I respect that he knew 33 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,199 he didn't have that. He knew there were people, other people on tour, 34 00:02:23,319 --> 00:02:24,719 you know, they had a better There were better ball strikers at him. 35 00:02:24,719 --> 00:02:27,759 And that's another thing people think, because he's won all these time, 36 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,199 people think, oh, he's got the best swing out there. No, 37 00:02:30,199 --> 00:02:34,280 now, he's got one of the best swings. But he did not have 38 00:02:35,319 --> 00:02:38,400 by from a purely objective's point of view, and from his own point of 39 00:02:38,479 --> 00:02:40,639 view, he knew he could not trust himself with the driver, which, 40 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:44,039 by the way, Haney does talk about it in The Big Mess his book, 41 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:46,159 yes accurately, which is that he missed a lot of it, even 42 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:50,800 though he still won majors by you know, fifteen shots like at the Opener 43 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,840 and twelve shots at the Matters in ninety seven. He won those majors because 44 00:02:53,879 --> 00:02:57,719 of a lot of other things, not because of his ball striking, particularly 45 00:02:57,759 --> 00:03:00,840 with the driver. It's his tree a lot of these terms as well. 46 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:07,319 Yeah, his creativity on his approach shots. And it just seems like he 47 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:14,360 and one of the in the process of the Handy Book that his ability to 48 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:20,199 correct his mistakes on his approach. Yeah, he was the greatest, probably 49 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,039 as good as maybe as controversial say this, but I think he was probably 50 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,479 as good as Sevy out of the trees, you know, recovering from bad 51 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:30,280 lives and in the rough, in the trees and fairway bunkers, hitting these 52 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:34,360 impossible recovery shots. He was, you know, probably tied with Schevy, 53 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,439 maybe better than seven. It's hard to tell, but you know, he's 54 00:03:37,479 --> 00:03:39,120 the kind of guy. He could make birdie from inside the trees, kind 55 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:44,120 of like how Michelson can do occasionally. And he was the greatest putter by 56 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,439 far out there when he was in his heyday, you know, twelve years 57 00:03:46,439 --> 00:03:51,280 ago. He had absolutely the best short game in the history of golf in 58 00:03:51,319 --> 00:03:55,400 his heyday twelve years ago. But Haney talked about that he was not great 59 00:03:55,400 --> 00:04:00,439 at lag putting. He didn't have to cut that often though, because he 60 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,680 was good enough with his irons, be as his iron swing was much better 61 00:04:03,719 --> 00:04:06,520 than his driver's swing. Clearly, Uh, he didn't hit it that. 62 00:04:06,639 --> 00:04:09,800 He didn't hit it more than you know, thirty feet for the hole very 63 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:13,719 often. So uh. But no, but back to my back to the 64 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:15,800 original question. So it was temple his tempo was too fast. I mean, 65 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:17,879 this is something Butch new and tried to get him a change when he 66 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:21,240 was in high school and college at Stanford, and Tiger refused to do it. 67 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:26,199 Because Tiger has this hain he also talks about in the book. He 68 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:30,519 has a long drive ego complex. He wants to be either the longest or 69 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:34,199 the top five guys on tour in driving distance, and he was willing to 70 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:40,600 lose tournaments because he wanted to be up there with the other guys in terms 71 00:04:40,639 --> 00:04:43,639 of hitting the hitting the long ball. He even said to Haney, he's 72 00:04:43,639 --> 00:04:47,720 a chicks taking the long ball. That was very important to Tiger. Yeah. 73 00:04:48,319 --> 00:04:51,199 So, uh, as we all know, you know, when he 74 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:56,759 was a junior golfer, he was playing and winning against other junior golfers who 75 00:04:56,759 --> 00:04:59,199 are four or five six years older than him. So he was like an 76 00:04:59,199 --> 00:05:01,160 eight, you know, eight, nine, ten year old playing against teenagers, 77 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:04,879 high school kids, and he learned that the only way he could keep 78 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:09,120 up with their driver was to just simply unwind, particularly with his lower bodies. 79 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:12,000 So if you look at the old Tiger spling from twelve years ago, 80 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:16,319 the rate of rotation of his hips was blindingly fast, so fast that his 81 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:20,199 shoulders would move backwards and his arms would move backwards. So it's sort of 82 00:05:20,199 --> 00:05:25,319 like when you accelerate your car. If you press, if you plunge on 83 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:29,040 the gas pedal right, the car starts to immediately accelerate. So the cars 84 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:30,920 moving forward, what do you do, You move backwards into the seat right. 85 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,279 That's called inertia in physics, or in the golf instruction of lingo, 86 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:39,720 we call that lag pressure. So now you've got your hips firing way too 87 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:44,759 early on transition to the downswinging, which makes your shoulders turn more the opposite 88 00:05:44,759 --> 00:05:48,040 way, and it makes your arms go more towards your right or more around 89 00:05:48,079 --> 00:05:51,959 your body right, and it puts pressure on your forms, on your wrists, 90 00:05:51,959 --> 00:05:55,600 which makes it harder to release the club coming down because you've got this 91 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:59,600 countervailing force pushing back on your hands, on your wrists, on your arms 92 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:03,000 right. And so what he had to do was he had to literally sling 93 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,720 his arms across his chest to try to get the club more in front of 94 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:09,399 him. And because he was such a good athlete, he could do that 95 00:06:09,399 --> 00:06:12,879 and still hit great shots, right. But he just couldn't hit great shots 96 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,360 more than about ninety percent of the time. There was a ten percent of 97 00:06:15,439 --> 00:06:18,439 time he couldn't tie the arm slinging motion. And if again, if he 98 00:06:18,439 --> 00:06:20,600 did it too slowly, he had to push lice. He did too fast, 99 00:06:20,639 --> 00:06:25,439 he had a pull hook or even a snapbook. So that's all been 100 00:06:25,439 --> 00:06:29,079 fixed now. And part of the reason it's fixed is because he's really if 101 00:06:29,079 --> 00:06:31,040 you look at his tempo now, I'm guessing it looks to my eye to 102 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:36,839 be about fifteen to twenty percent slower than twelve years ago. But he's hitting 103 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:42,319 it further. And now some of that's the equipment, but I mean he's 104 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,720 hitting it more in the center, more in the sweet spot right on the 105 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:48,279 button. He's hitting it purer, and he doesn't have that violent transition, 106 00:06:48,879 --> 00:06:53,560 you know, violent wrenching of the hips to start his transition to the downswing. 107 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:57,759 So it looks a lot smoother, and he's finishing in better balance as 108 00:06:57,759 --> 00:07:00,680 a result of anytime you can finish in balance and hold, you hold your 109 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:04,639 position like a statue, that's a that's a sign that you were more likely 110 00:07:04,639 --> 00:07:09,120 to be in balanced during the strike during impact, right, which really matters, 111 00:07:10,519 --> 00:07:14,720 which is one of Hogan's big things he talked about, Yeah, well 112 00:07:14,759 --> 00:07:17,399 of me too, right. Hogan talked about feeling like you're rooted to the 113 00:07:17,399 --> 00:07:21,160 ground from your feet are pressing into the ground. He talked constantly to people 114 00:07:21,199 --> 00:07:26,639 he mentored, like John Slee for example, Chris Cheddar. He talked about, 115 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:30,600 you need to feel like you're just rotating your body, not not shifting 116 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,519 your weight laterally during during release, during impact, and your feet are pressing 117 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:38,399 in the ground. You talked about being in rock solid balance during the strike. 118 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:42,639 That was his phrase he used to love because again, it proves your 119 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:46,079 odds of hitting a sweet spot, making solid contact. And if you look 120 00:07:46,079 --> 00:07:48,120 at Tiger and his old Tiger, another flaw that fixes. He would come 121 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:51,480 way up on his right heel, so it's his right heel would come way 122 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:54,959 up in the air, so he's literally sort of standing up on the toe 123 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,439 of his right foot when he was striking the ball. I've noticed that. 124 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,839 Yeah, yeah, that's the other thing. They think. That's a lot 125 00:08:01,879 --> 00:08:03,759 better. He's keeping his right heel, his connection of its soul of his 126 00:08:03,839 --> 00:08:09,360 right foot to the ground much much better than he used to. In fact, 127 00:08:09,399 --> 00:08:13,480 Moe Norman, who the famous Canadian tour pro and great ball striker, 128 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:16,160 right before he died, in some interview up there in Canada, he said 129 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:20,439 that he thought that the number one thing that was wrong in Tiger's swinging this 130 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:22,680 was, like you know, eight or nine, ten years ago, was 131 00:08:24,519 --> 00:08:28,040 was just what I described, losing contact with the ground, losing ground pressure 132 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:33,000 on his right foot. Another Hogan secret, by the way, was they 133 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,200 had that contact with this, particularly in the right foot and right heel through 134 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:39,840 the strike, stay somewhat connected to the ground. Yeah, you know, 135 00:08:39,039 --> 00:08:43,200 let me ask you about that. Because so many people, especially those who 136 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,159 just pick up a set of golf clubs and just go out and start swinging, 137 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:54,679 I frequently notice that they will on their back swing not only will their 138 00:08:54,960 --> 00:09:00,480 left knee just point, you know, way behind them on the backswing, 139 00:09:00,639 --> 00:09:05,240 but also they'll bring up the left heel, the left foot right. Your 140 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:09,480 theory on that is, where does an ego, where does the heel go 141 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:11,279 on your left leg? If you a right handed golfer. Again, if 142 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:15,480 I was, if I was a sling style or throw style teacher, I 143 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:16,720 would say, oh, obviously you got to lookt your left heel up in 144 00:09:16,759 --> 00:09:20,559 here. Look at Nicholas, look at Johnny Young, Johnny Miller, look 145 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:22,840 at Tony Lima. From the sixties and seventies, they all had their heel 146 00:09:22,879 --> 00:09:26,399 lay up in the air, or look at Bubba today, Bubba's Bubba watchings 147 00:09:26,399 --> 00:09:28,440 heel. It's got to be five inches off the ground at the top of 148 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,840 the back swing. But again, why would you teach that to someone unless 149 00:09:31,879 --> 00:09:37,720 they really a senior golfer maybe age sixty year older, who really lacked flexibility, 150 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:41,480 Then obviously that person's going to have to allow their left heel to come 151 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:45,559 off the ground at least someone or they won't be able to finish their they 152 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:46,879 won't be able to turn their shoulders enough to play good golf. Right, 153 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,679 Because the more you let your heel come up, the more you can turn 154 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:52,440 your hips. And the more you can turn your hips, the more you 155 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:54,559 can turn your shoulders. So if you lack flexibility as a senior or for 156 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:58,399 any reason, you got to let that left heel come up a little bit. 157 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,759 But modern swing, which is based on science, on biomechanics, which 158 00:10:01,759 --> 00:10:05,639 is the main the main rule in sports biomechanics is don't move a body part 159 00:10:05,759 --> 00:10:09,320 at all of ours. Don't don't contract a muscle to move a bone or 160 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:15,080 a joint unless it contributes to an overall effective motion. So the whole idea 161 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:18,919 is is to use as few moving body parts as possible. What we see 162 00:10:18,919 --> 00:10:22,559 in the leverage spin swing or or even in the ultra spin swing, and 163 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:26,840 we don't see that in the slinging style. We see a lot of you 164 00:10:26,879 --> 00:10:30,639 know, extraneous body motion. So so my theory is, if you have 165 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:35,279 to lift it, lift it the minimum necessary amount to complete close to a 166 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:39,279 ninety degree shoulder turn and know more than about a sixty degree hip turn. 167 00:10:39,279 --> 00:10:43,279 Uh. And that's that's because it's being pulled up in the air by your 168 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:46,320 hips and your shoulders. So when you when you torque to the when you 169 00:10:46,399 --> 00:10:48,279 coil to the right, you turn your belly, you turn your chest, 170 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:52,919 you turn your hips. Basically that the belly and the chest turn is turning 171 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:56,440 the hips and the hips are lifting the left heel one's pulling the other right. 172 00:10:56,559 --> 00:11:01,200 But it's it's potential source of loss of contact with the ground. If 173 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:03,559 you have poor ground pressure, you tend to have poor balance. That's that's 174 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:09,200 the downside to it. So most people who do it don't don't need to 175 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:11,320 do it. They're just doing it because they're it's just natural to do it 176 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:15,159 that way, and you know, they maybe they think there's both those to 177 00:11:15,159 --> 00:11:16,159 do it. It's a law of the golf swing. It's not. Have 178 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:20,120 you noticed that so many of those people don't even know they do it? 179 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:26,759 Sure? Wow, don't even get me started on that. Fred, Hey, 180 00:11:26,759 --> 00:11:31,679 this is the members of the show get started. Not just my students. 181 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:35,279 Every teaching pro I know are unaware of ninety nine percent of their flaws. 182 00:11:37,399 --> 00:11:41,080 Oh yeah, people, people do all kinds of stuff. Have no 183 00:11:41,159 --> 00:11:43,919 clue. That's and that's one of the things we've talked about in prior podcasts 184 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,279 with you is how you know. One of the big things you have to 185 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:48,840 have to be good at this game is body awareness. You've got to be 186 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:52,120 able to start feeling your mistakes in real time in the moment or the micro 187 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:56,399 moment that they're happening, not aware that what they're doing is a mistake, 188 00:11:56,519 --> 00:12:01,879 or not aware that the mistake they're doing that they even do it. Now 189 00:12:01,919 --> 00:12:05,480 the second part that they're even doing it, they don't even know that they 190 00:12:05,519 --> 00:12:07,480 even do that. And again, the reason people, the reason most golfers, 191 00:12:07,759 --> 00:12:11,559 in fact, I would venture to guess that probably ninety five percent of 192 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:15,279 your listeners, unless they're already very good players. So let's say that the 193 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:18,879 ninety five percent of your listeners. Well, the longer listeners are much better 194 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:22,320 players than they were when they start. Yeah, yeah, exactly, of 195 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:24,519 course. But I'm saying I'm saying that people who are probably, oh, 196 00:12:24,519 --> 00:12:26,840 I could give it, I could throw a ballpark figure out there. Probably 197 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:31,000 if you're about a fifteen handicap or higher, there's about a ninety five percent 198 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:33,399 chance that most of the time on the range and on the golf course, 199 00:12:35,159 --> 00:12:37,480 you're not aware of anything happening in your body, and you're stuck in your 200 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:43,919 head thinking swing thoughts or telling body parts what they should or should not be 201 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:48,960 doing, or picturing body parts, and your body part that you're picturing or 202 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:52,000 talking to is doing exactly oppositely what you're telling it to do. Well, 203 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:56,799 that's ask any teaching pro who does what I do for a living, teaches 204 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:58,840 people the golf swing all day. You know, that's a full time job. 205 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,960 After the first month on the job, that's what you realize what people 206 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:09,200 intend to do. Again, fifty handicaps and higher almost never manifests in their 207 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:13,600 offswing because it doesn't matter what your conscious mind is doing. It's what your 208 00:13:13,639 --> 00:13:18,480 subconscious mind believes to be true that creates your body motion good or bad. 209 00:13:20,039 --> 00:13:22,960 Which is something else I have in my list here little outline, a little 210 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:26,960 cheat sheet for talking with you today in this podcast, which is you need 211 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,639 to understand. You put people out there, you average golfers. You guys 212 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:33,759 need to understand this principle. If you believe in your subconscious mind that the 213 00:13:33,799 --> 00:13:35,840 only way to get the ball airborne is to make the club that make a 214 00:13:35,919 --> 00:13:41,480 load to high motion as it contacts the ball, I e. Scooping right, 215 00:13:41,879 --> 00:13:46,000 even if you know intellectually that that's dead wrong information that you're supposed to 216 00:13:46,039 --> 00:13:48,039 make a downward blow in most clubs right for the ball, for the loft 217 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:52,639 of the club to be effective, make the ball get airborne, even if 218 00:13:52,639 --> 00:13:56,960 you know that intellectually what the true information is. If your subconscious believes the 219 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:01,440 opposite, that's what your body will do. Yeah, because subconscious controls the 220 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:11,559 body, right, not the conscious right. I mean, even after doing 221 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:16,080 this podcast for so many years and learning so much, it wasn't until I 222 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:20,879 put the and I Don't Take Lessons that the Tour Tempo training Club in my 223 00:14:20,919 --> 00:14:26,200 hand that I realized that I was not coming down on the ball at all. 224 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:30,080 So you were. You were too slow for you didn't get the timing 225 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:33,360 of the deep right you mean, well, I mean yeah, I mean 226 00:14:33,519 --> 00:14:39,039 my hands were, you know, like I was trying to doctor Joe Parris. 227 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:45,519 I was trying to have the bottom of my swing of that circle at 228 00:14:45,639 --> 00:14:50,360 when it made contact with the ball right, as opposed to making the bottom 229 00:14:50,399 --> 00:14:54,840 of the swing being a couple inches in front of the ball correct. Correct. 230 00:14:54,879 --> 00:14:56,320 Yeah, I mean this is tough, is me? Like? Oh, 231 00:14:56,639 --> 00:15:01,559 I mean I had these revelations on this stuff, these epiphanies in these 232 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:05,320 conversations, and you know, and that's yeah, I'm sorry, go ahead, 233 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:07,879 No, I'm just saying. And what isn't until I actually had that 234 00:15:07,879 --> 00:15:13,200 that tour Tempo training aid in my hands that I was like, oh, 235 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:18,320 that's what that means to hit down on the ball, right, and you 236 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,480 know, and that's one of the most fascinating and kind of cool things about 237 00:15:20,519 --> 00:15:24,879 the touristriker Tempo tours striker, I mean a tour striker, right, Yeah, 238 00:15:24,919 --> 00:15:26,919 yeah, sure, Tempo is something else I wanted to ask you about, 239 00:15:26,919 --> 00:15:30,519 but we'll get there in a minute. Yeah. Yeah, but this 240 00:15:30,519 --> 00:15:33,240 this issue again, I mean, I watched the Golf Channel a lot, 241 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:33,440 right, I mean, I do I do this like, you know, 242 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:35,639 when I'm not working on my days off, I do like a three hour 243 00:15:35,759 --> 00:15:39,840 yoga pilates thing in the morning, right because I got this chronic glow back 244 00:15:39,879 --> 00:15:41,000 thing. If I don't do that, I literally can't play, I can't 245 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,639 teach. So I have all this time to watch the Golf Channel. I 246 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,919 DVR episodes, and there's a lot it's gotten better over the years in some 247 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:52,639 ways. There's there's there's more fundamental or more laws of body and club motion 248 00:15:52,799 --> 00:15:56,960 based instruction than there used to be. It used to all be swing corrective 249 00:15:56,000 --> 00:16:00,360 on the Golf Channel. I like a lot of stuff Randall Chamblie have to 250 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:04,000 say as far as some of their even though he's on the polar opposite issue 251 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:07,480 of versus Tiger swing changes and I am, I still respect his opinion. 252 00:16:07,519 --> 00:16:11,879 I think he's a real bright guy. But you never hear this talked about, 253 00:16:12,039 --> 00:16:17,080 and it might because they don't have except for maybe Martin Hall and Michael 254 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:21,639 Bred who are both very good teachers. They have you know, they're on 255 00:16:21,639 --> 00:16:23,679 there, they're regular shows. But even those two guys, they don't talk 256 00:16:23,759 --> 00:16:29,600 much about the philosophy. I would even go so far as say the epistemology, 257 00:16:29,639 --> 00:16:32,240 which is that branch of philosophy dealing with how we know what we know? 258 00:16:32,399 --> 00:16:34,840 Right, It's sort of like the like the early version of neuropsychology, 259 00:16:34,919 --> 00:16:38,200 Right, how do we know how to go about making a swing change? 260 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:42,120 Well, one of the things you run up against as a serious student who 261 00:16:42,159 --> 00:16:48,639 is working with a teacher is that you're making bad body motions that you cannot 262 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:52,240 stop in the short term from making. And it can be very, very 263 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,639 very frustrating for the student, and so they need to know ahead of time 264 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:57,519 going in. You know, by the way, not everything you work on 265 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,519 is like this. Some things you can change relatively quickly and easily. Right, 266 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:04,680 Some aspects of the swing, and it's different for every individual will be 267 00:17:04,759 --> 00:17:07,759 relatively easy to make the change, much faster than you might think, right. 268 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:11,599 Other things will sort of take a moderate amount of time, so they're 269 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,519 just a little bit frustrating. But there'll be some things you're going to work 270 00:17:14,519 --> 00:17:17,279 on if you're especially if you're doing a fundamental based approach, not a swing 271 00:17:17,319 --> 00:17:22,240 corrective approach. If you're working with a teacher on like Tiger did with Sean 272 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:26,640 on keeping on stopping his arms, sling across his chest, move, which, 273 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,720 by the way, ninety nine point nine percent of average golfers do. 274 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,799 That's a real common thing to do wrong, right, you explain it again, 275 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:34,920 give me more detail and know what you mean. Well, you know, 276 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,279 we always talk about midline. So your spine is midline of your body. 277 00:17:38,279 --> 00:17:41,359 If you're facing the mirror, you look, you look at your torso 278 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:45,240 right, some mid lines longitudinally you cut your body in half. It is. 279 00:17:45,319 --> 00:17:48,839 Draw your finger from your from your Adam's apple down to your belly button. 280 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:52,559 That's your midline, right. But the best ball strikers do, even 281 00:17:52,599 --> 00:17:55,920 the ones who use the common Montgomery you know, the bubba of the sling 282 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:59,920 style, right, even though they are swinging their eyes across their chest, 283 00:18:00,279 --> 00:18:03,640 they do most of that slinging across their chest after impact, after the ball's 284 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:07,960 gone. Other words, if you look at a tour pro his left arm, 285 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:11,640 measuring it where his left hand is as well, I'm talking about you 286 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:15,240 know, six eight, nine, ten twelve inches to the right of midline 287 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,799 at the moment he strikes the ball. And Joe average, who's like twenty 288 00:18:18,799 --> 00:18:23,640 handicap or higher, his left arm is the opposite. It's ten twelve inches 289 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:27,160 to the left of midline of the impact, because that person is taking the 290 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,119 muscles in their upper arm where they connect to the shoulder girdle, and they're 291 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:34,759 using those muscles to sling or fling or throw the arms across midline, across 292 00:18:34,799 --> 00:18:38,359 the chest. And I call that the number one flow on golf. It's 293 00:18:38,519 --> 00:18:41,559 very pervasive, it's almost universal. Wait a minute, you've got to be 294 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:45,799 confused here. The left hand for a right handed golfer, the left hand 295 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:52,480 for the twenty handicapper. The left hand is right or left of the ball, 296 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:59,720 left left of the ball, the left of their bodi's midline. Other 297 00:18:59,759 --> 00:19:03,799 words, what the player does they slow down their I'm sorry for go ahead. 298 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:07,599 Isn't that the front of the in front of the ball, ahead of 299 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:11,799 the ball. If it's the left of the well, it's better not to 300 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:15,279 use the If we use the ball as a reference, we'll lose everybody's It's 301 00:19:15,279 --> 00:19:18,799 not about the ball, it's about where your hand is relative to your body 302 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:22,119 to this case, to midline right. In other words, the tour pros, 303 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:25,720 no matter what those four swing styles they use, to some extent, 304 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:30,960 their body is moving to an open position as they strike the ball right, 305 00:19:30,519 --> 00:19:36,440 like in a sling style or on a thrust style, the shoulder girdles are 306 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,759 going to be just a little bit open and impact, maybe five or ten 307 00:19:38,799 --> 00:19:42,359 degrees with an ultraspin style, like if you look at a hogan on a 308 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:47,240 driver, or today Jim Curic, who uses a kind of an ultra spin 309 00:19:47,599 --> 00:19:51,839 forward swing and a swinging style backswing has got a very unusual swing obviously. 310 00:19:52,319 --> 00:19:53,480 But those guys, you know, the guys who use the ultra spin, 311 00:19:53,599 --> 00:19:59,119 especially their shoulder girdle on the driver's like thirty five degrees sometimes even forty five 312 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:03,079 degrees open to the argent line the moment of impact. But they don't hit 313 00:20:03,079 --> 00:20:04,720 the ball forty five degrees to the left. They don't hit a big poll. 314 00:20:04,759 --> 00:20:08,440 They hit it dead straight, basically right, because their arms are to 315 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:12,079 the right of their spine at impact. But the average person, when they 316 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:15,559 approach impact, they slow down their body speed, it's called pivot stall, 317 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,920 and they as their body slows down, they sling their arms across, kind 318 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,759 of like trying to line up their left arm with their left arm pit. 319 00:20:23,519 --> 00:20:27,279 That's kind of what they're trying to do, almost going back to their starting 320 00:20:27,279 --> 00:20:32,680 to their address or set up position. Whereas in reality address and impact are 321 00:20:33,319 --> 00:20:36,680 very very very different in a good golf seling. Other words, your arms 322 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:38,400 are further to the right of your body at impact than they were when you 323 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,640 started on at a good golf seling, and the average person thinks just the 324 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:45,319 opposite. They think they're supposed to be further to the left than when you 325 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:48,519 started, and so that because they believe that, at least subconsciously, they 326 00:20:48,559 --> 00:20:53,359 believe it, that's what they do. And good players don't do that to 327 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,599 varying degrees. Again, depending which of those four styles are using, their 328 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:00,279 arms are to their right, their arms are both arms are to the right 329 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:06,359 or midline of impact. Can I talk about tempo with you a little bit 330 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,559 more? Yeah, yeah, sure. Are you familiar with John Novasel's work, 331 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:14,400 Uh huh yep, and his his tour tempo and the three to one 332 00:21:14,599 --> 00:21:18,319 and the on the swing and then on the short game the one to one, 333 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,880 which we spoke about recently. Yeah, it's really, it's really. 334 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:25,000 I was aware of it. I think I think we even talked in the 335 00:21:25,039 --> 00:21:27,759 phone when it first came out, when I first heard about it, and 336 00:21:27,839 --> 00:21:30,960 we discussed it, and it's one hundred percent accurate. The only thing I 337 00:21:32,039 --> 00:21:36,920 think that's that's that's wrong with it. Is he based it on when the 338 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:41,119 club's clubhead starts to move back, you know, starts to move in the 339 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:45,519 forward swing down and forward. And even though that's that's one way you could 340 00:21:45,559 --> 00:21:48,200 define it, and that turns out to be it does turn out to be 341 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,920 a three to one ratio. That's not when the forward swing begins. From 342 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:56,440 a subjective golfer standpoint, the forward swing begins way earlier than that. I 343 00:21:56,440 --> 00:22:00,279 meaning, if you look at a good player, their tailbone is actually shifting 344 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:04,920 to the left while the club is still moving back finishing the backswing. Oh 345 00:22:06,039 --> 00:22:07,279 interesting, So if you define it, which is how I define it, 346 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,799 then it's actually a two to one ratio, not a three to one. 347 00:22:11,599 --> 00:22:15,119 But I guess on a visual I mean, because he was it seemed like 348 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:19,720 he was basing it all on frames per second on video. Yeah, it's 349 00:22:19,759 --> 00:22:23,799 like easy to mark that club movement, right. But see, because he's 350 00:22:23,799 --> 00:22:26,079 not a golf teacher, this is this is he's more of a more I 351 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:30,400 call it a golf researcher than it's someone who teaches, you know, like 352 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,359 I do every day in the trenches, so to speak. You learned real 353 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:37,240 quickly. If you get a student to focus too much on the club, 354 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:38,160 that I try to get my students not to focus on the club at at 355 00:22:38,319 --> 00:22:42,079 all. And so if you define the swing, the forward swing is when 356 00:22:42,079 --> 00:22:45,640 the club that starts to move forward, then he's right, it's a three 357 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:49,200 to one tempo. But one of the worst things you can do, especially 358 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,359 if you're an average golfer, is to wait too long at the top to 359 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:59,119 sense a pause, because again, what great players do is their lower body 360 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,759 is already starting the forward swing while their shoulders are still completing the back swing. 361 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,240 So if you look at the average tour pro, they have around ten 362 00:23:06,279 --> 00:23:10,839 to fifteen degrees of shoulder turned to complete when you see their tailbones starting to 363 00:23:10,839 --> 00:23:15,000 shift over to the left to start the forward swing with their lower body, 364 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,119 they don't wait till they sense the club that stopped moving for a freshment a 365 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:22,319 second, and then then start their tailbone shift to the left. This is 366 00:23:22,319 --> 00:23:26,680 making any sense, They're moving their lower body first well before they finish their 367 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:32,680 back sling. I wish I had So that's how yeah, I'm saying, 368 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:36,160 I wish I had nine or ten hours a day to practice my golf swing. 369 00:23:37,319 --> 00:23:38,240 Think of it, this way. If you look at a baseball pitcher 370 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:44,440 or a quarterback in the NFL, when they're extending their arm back and rotating 371 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:48,119 their chest and shoulders back, that last little bit of chest rotation in the 372 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:52,559 back move right. While they're doing that, their lower body is stepping into 373 00:23:52,559 --> 00:23:57,319 the throw. It's called natural athletic throwing motion and biod mechanics. So their 374 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,799 lower body is moving toward the target, upperbodies moving away from the target at 375 00:24:00,799 --> 00:24:06,599 the same time. Nobody stops the whole body motion all at once and then 376 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:10,920 starts the body motion all at once, the lower bodies moving towards the target 377 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:12,359 while the upper body moves away from the target. And that's an important what 378 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:18,160 we call law of the transition. Yeah. I've always struggled with this concept 379 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:22,240 of pausing at the top of the swing and people who like kind of hang 380 00:24:22,279 --> 00:24:26,279 there for a moment. Yeah, it's it's a big flaw. Yeah. 381 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:30,480 The main reason why it doesn't work is when people pause, we're literally their 382 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,039 lower bodies not shifting. It's stopping. When their shoulders stop, and when 383 00:24:33,039 --> 00:24:37,440 the club stops, everything kind of stops all together. It allows an opportunity 384 00:24:37,519 --> 00:24:42,160 for the conscious mind and non athletic intellectual thinking mind to jump back on stage, 385 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:47,640 push the subconscious mind off stage, and take control of a golf swing 386 00:24:48,079 --> 00:24:52,559 in three main areas. The hit impulse takes over, the scooping impulse takes 387 00:24:52,599 --> 00:24:55,279 over, and the steering or manipulation impulse takes over. In fact, it 388 00:24:55,279 --> 00:24:57,519 could be all free. And so what if people do who again, who 389 00:24:57,559 --> 00:25:00,960 are fifty handicaps are higher? What's one of the big flaws they do? 390 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:04,119 They throw the club at from their wrists joint at the ball when they start 391 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,559 their forward swing. They don't maintain the wrist angle on the way down like 392 00:25:07,599 --> 00:25:11,240 the pros do. Why don't they Because they see the ball, they sense 393 00:25:11,279 --> 00:25:15,799 their body stopping the motion all at the same time, and it's a pause 394 00:25:15,839 --> 00:25:21,920 that allows them to think, hit the ball. And so a voice in 395 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,359 your head literally said, I'm not making this up. Hit the damn ball, 396 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,400 exclamation point. And so they do with the wrong body part their wrists 397 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:33,759 or their arms or the right elbow, we're all three. Whereas what the 398 00:25:33,759 --> 00:25:36,880 pros do is while they're finishing the back swing, they aren't thinking about hitting 399 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,720 the ball because all they're thinking about is the sort of reconnecting to the ground, 400 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:42,759 shifting their weight left with their lower body and kind of what like Nicholas 401 00:25:42,759 --> 00:25:48,480 called it's settling into the shot. And you know we in our school we 402 00:25:48,519 --> 00:25:51,759 do alot the drill for this called get ready, get set go, And 403 00:25:51,839 --> 00:25:52,960 you can do it with a ball or without a ball. But basically you 404 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,319 say that you say the phrase get ready as you do your back swing. 405 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:00,640 When you do the transition the way I described it, where you're finishing your 406 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,079 shoulder turn that last ten degrees or so in your table and shifting left, 407 00:26:03,559 --> 00:26:07,759 you say get set, meaning get set right, not get ready go, 408 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,599 which is what high handicappers do when they succumb to the hit impulse. It's 409 00:26:11,599 --> 00:26:15,079 get ready, get set. And then when your hands get down below waist 410 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,799 tie or a round ways time with your wrists fully cocked, then you say 411 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,559 go, and you create the go by simply turning your body and letting s 412 00:26:22,559 --> 00:26:26,759 a trifugal force snap open your wristcock angle. So it's get ready, get 413 00:26:26,839 --> 00:26:30,440 set go, not get ready to go. So when you pause it becomes 414 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:37,559 get ready to go. But back to John Novosol, so, I think 415 00:26:37,559 --> 00:26:41,319 if he would have presented it as a two to one rhythm. By the 416 00:26:41,319 --> 00:26:44,759 way, and that's what I call rhythm, not tempo. Tempo to me 417 00:26:44,839 --> 00:26:47,960 is the elapse time on the clock from start to finish of your swing, 418 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:52,480 which is roughly one and a half seconds duration. So if you saw it 419 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,160 as a two to one ratio, it would be when you feel you're in 420 00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:00,519 the three quarterback swing position, not full backswing, you begin what we call 421 00:27:00,599 --> 00:27:04,200 the transition trigger, which is your brain has to send an impulse to your 422 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:08,200 belly, to your oblique aps to shift to the left, followed by a 423 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,880 shifting of your tailbomb to the left. And so that's the trigger. That's 424 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,160 what creates your transition. Your initial transition trigger is that shifting of your belly 425 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:22,000 muscles to the left while your shoulder girdle is coiling to the right. And 426 00:27:22,039 --> 00:27:25,200 then when you define it that way, if that's the beginning of the forward 427 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,279 swing, when you fire the belly to the left, it's exactly or nearly 428 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:32,599 exactly a two to one ratio, not a three to one. It just 429 00:27:32,599 --> 00:27:37,440 works better that way. Otherwise, you're waiting to feel that everything that the 430 00:27:37,799 --> 00:27:40,839 club is pausing for that fraction of a second, your shoulders are pausing for 431 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,400 that fraction of a second, and you've got time to beep that beap with 432 00:27:44,519 --> 00:27:52,759 your with your impact beep. I want to get back to Tiger again because 433 00:27:52,799 --> 00:27:57,839 this is so much fun. Yeah. If here we are a week and 434 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:03,000 a half in front of the Open being played at the Olympic Club in San 435 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:07,039 Francisco, which is you know, from all indications, it's going to be 436 00:28:07,079 --> 00:28:10,960 a brutal course on these guys. I mean the US Opened. That's the 437 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,200 whole point of the US Open anyway, right, I mean you know, 438 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:18,680 one under par could win the whole thing, where you know other tournaments, 439 00:28:18,759 --> 00:28:23,480 or even one over par. Yeah, exactly, And you know, following 440 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:30,039 what Tiger has been doing. No, And he even commented after the memorial 441 00:28:30,039 --> 00:28:34,519 and the press conference that his book from and I found this fascinating, his 442 00:28:34,599 --> 00:28:40,000 book from ninety eight. He had to throw it out. It's almost a 443 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:45,839 completely different golf course. Yeah, yeah, I'm curious. Here we are 444 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,200 a week and a half in front and when people are going to be listening 445 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,519 to this, it's going to be well afterwards, you want to make any 446 00:28:51,519 --> 00:28:55,680 predictions, well, I think you got to make Tiger the favorite the way 447 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,119 he's playing, and I'm pretty sure on the sports betting sites he is the 448 00:28:59,119 --> 00:29:03,519 favorite too. You know, you'd hope it'd be a Rory Tiger matchup, 449 00:29:03,519 --> 00:29:06,440 but obviously Rory's in a little mini slam, but missing three cuts in a 450 00:29:06,519 --> 00:29:08,000 row, which is kind of a shame because that's got to hurt a young 451 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,440 man's confidence too. Yeah, yeah, that, and what do you see 452 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,480 that. I'm sure he'll get it back at some point, but that's going 453 00:29:14,519 --> 00:29:19,039 to be the big Nicholas Palmer rivalry of the modern airas Michael roy Woods at 454 00:29:19,079 --> 00:29:22,880 least to the next I don't know. Tiger's what thirty six? Still thy 455 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,039 thirty seven? I think in December and January? And do you think he's 456 00:29:26,079 --> 00:29:29,880 probably got eight more years left a really good golf at least I think he 457 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,599 stays healthy. Yeah, yeah, And do you think that You know, 458 00:29:33,799 --> 00:29:38,960 there's two two benchmarks here that we're looking at. One is winning nine more 459 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:45,200 tournaments to have more wins than anybody else, and the tenth would be and 460 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,240 then there's the majors. There's Nicholas majors and reaching that. Do you think 461 00:29:48,279 --> 00:29:52,920 both of those he'll be able to achieve in the direction that he's heading with 462 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:56,480 this swing change. You know, if you asked me that a year and 463 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:57,960 a half ago, I would have said I was saying no at the time 464 00:29:59,279 --> 00:30:03,079 because I I really saw how badly his confidence was shattered by the scandal. 465 00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:06,240 Yeah, and also by his injuries. You know, I'm someone who's I've 466 00:30:06,279 --> 00:30:08,359 struggled a lot of my own injuries the last eight years at my back and 467 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,480 some other health issues. And it's you know, it's a hard game when 468 00:30:11,519 --> 00:30:15,920 you're healthy, right, Yeah, but at the highest level. Imagine what 469 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,279 it's like playing golf within millions of people. You're being paid in millions of 470 00:30:18,319 --> 00:30:22,200 dollars by your corporate sponsors to win and to do well and to draw viewers 471 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:26,680 and to watch the you know, the TV broadcast, and then this horrible 472 00:30:26,799 --> 00:30:32,319 personal scandal erupts and you've got, uh, you know, a broken tibbia 473 00:30:32,359 --> 00:30:38,799 in three spots and massive ACL damage and left a killes tendon tendonitis and occasionally 474 00:30:38,839 --> 00:30:41,920 has a problem with his neck and with his lower back. I mean, 475 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,240 the guy is just I mean, what can you say. I mean, 476 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,480 it's hard. It's you know, it's hard to play golf if you for 477 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,039 whatever reason, if you have no confidence or very little confidence, it's almost 478 00:30:52,039 --> 00:30:57,599 impossible to play well. But what appears to be the case is that in 479 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,519 his case it was more of the other way he did. He did it 480 00:31:00,559 --> 00:31:04,920 to Bobby knightway. He so improved his technique. His swing is so much 481 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,599 better than it used to be. I can't tell you, I can't praise 482 00:31:07,599 --> 00:31:12,480 Sean Folei and Tiger enough for what they've done is just remarkable. I mean, 483 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,880 this swing is almost as good as justin Roses. It's almost as good 484 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,799 as Sean o'harris. It's almost as good as Hunter Mayhons in terms of just 485 00:31:21,839 --> 00:31:26,319 technically correct. You're hitting all the positions and the plane angle. It's a 486 00:31:26,319 --> 00:31:29,640 lot simpler golf swing than it used to be. And uh, you know, 487 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,000 if he gets I guess he's still a little bit a little bit uh 488 00:31:33,319 --> 00:31:37,200 not super confident in the short putts of around six feet to two feet in 489 00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:40,720 that range. But if he gets some practice timing on that, which he 490 00:31:40,799 --> 00:31:42,559 probably will do. Now that his golf swing is so much better, he's 491 00:31:42,559 --> 00:31:45,400 not going to need to practice his his balls tricking so much. He'll be 492 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:49,319 able to go back to his you know, his former amount of time dedicated 493 00:31:49,359 --> 00:31:52,839 to putting and short game. No, I think he's going to break Nicholas's 494 00:31:52,839 --> 00:31:57,400 record by maybe five or six majors. I think, will oh wow, 495 00:32:00,119 --> 00:32:04,119 make five more to he got fourteen. Nichol says eighteen. So yeah, 496 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,279 I think he could. I think he could easily win ten more majors if 497 00:32:07,319 --> 00:32:10,000 he accept it. All depends on his health, if he stays healthy, 498 00:32:10,319 --> 00:32:14,039 right, and which apparently he's dedicated to doing. I mean, he works 499 00:32:14,039 --> 00:32:16,480 out all the time, and you know, I mean he could he could 500 00:32:16,519 --> 00:32:20,839 certainly win a major. I mean I could see him if he stays healthy 501 00:32:21,079 --> 00:32:22,920 with his new swing, which is, by the way, the new swing 502 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,359 is easier in his back than his old swing. Yeah, I can see 503 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:30,000 him winning a major even in his even maybe you know, early to mid 504 00:32:30,039 --> 00:32:32,200 fifties. I mean, if he stays healthy. Oh wow, So he 505 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:36,680 could be. And you think he'll stay on He'll stay on this tour. 506 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,319 I won't go over to the Champions Tour even when he gets his Yeah, 507 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,480 I think, yeah, that's kind of I mean, he'll probably do both 508 00:32:43,519 --> 00:32:45,039 there for for a few years and eventually, maybe in his mid fifties go 509 00:32:45,079 --> 00:32:47,720 to the Champions Tour. Hen a quick golfer who knows, I mean, 510 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,799 he may just decide to He said enough and he'll do something else. But 511 00:32:52,599 --> 00:32:54,839 man, I mean I think he's I really do think he's back. And 512 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,559 you know, if he starts winning a few more tournaments, his confidence is 513 00:32:59,559 --> 00:33:01,920 going to store and once people don't realize. And I've said this before, 514 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,720 I think on your broadcast we'll say it again. The reason he was the 515 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,160 greatest player and he dominated back and that was in nineteen ninety six when he 516 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:13,559 came on tour. He really dominated between there in about what two thousand and 517 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,559 two, I guess that was a six year period where he really won everything 518 00:33:16,559 --> 00:33:22,920 pretty much. He didn't have He was the best putter. Now I'm not 519 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:24,480 talking about mechanics. I'm just talking about getting the ball in the hole. 520 00:33:24,759 --> 00:33:29,519 Althoughse mechanics were certainly good. He was the best short game wizard out there 521 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:34,240 by mile. But the reason he won and the reason he dominated was he 522 00:33:34,319 --> 00:33:38,359 was he was orders of magnitude more confident than anybody else on the tour. 523 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:44,240 And he knew he was more confident than anybody else, and all the other 524 00:33:44,279 --> 00:33:47,319 players knew he was more confident. There was an intimidation factor as well, 525 00:33:47,519 --> 00:33:52,359 Yeah, exactly. I mean everybody on the course knew every play, everybody 526 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,720 who had clubs in their hands on the course, knew that if he was 527 00:33:54,799 --> 00:34:00,440 making a move, they you know, they couldn't play defensively anymore. They 528 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,799 had to be more aggressive. And it's like, oh my gosh, what 529 00:34:02,839 --> 00:34:07,279 are we going to do now? This is another one of my pet peas 530 00:34:07,279 --> 00:34:09,079 and golf instruction. I mean, and I've in front of this. You 531 00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:13,440 know something I've certainly learned more in the last few years. I've always known 532 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,000 this, but I've really known it because of my own struggles with my low 533 00:34:15,079 --> 00:34:19,199 back issue and you're not playing well most of the time. In the last 534 00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:22,719 five years, even after my back has been partially healed, which it has 535 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:27,880 been recently, I found something that works. I'm still getting some bad shots 536 00:34:28,039 --> 00:34:30,480 compared to how I used to hit it, purely because I don't I don't 537 00:34:30,519 --> 00:34:35,280 have the confidence and you know, and if you have, in my case, 538 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,920 it's fear of hurting my back. I'm just unwinding, turning my hips 539 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,079 and my body through the shot. When you have that fear that you're going 540 00:34:40,119 --> 00:34:45,159 to hurt yourself, you'll flinch and then the french will create the bad shot, 541 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:45,920 and then then the next time you go to hit a golf ball, 542 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:50,280 you've got two things going on. You've got fear hurting yourself, the original 543 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,760 issue, and you've got the fear of hitting a bad shot, which is 544 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:57,599 another way of saying you lack confidence. So what I've been doing just recently 545 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,880 in my own game, which has really helped a lot, something I've taught 546 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:06,679 people for years, but really lately I'll expand on this here in a minute. 547 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,480 With average golfers I've been doing it, which is to teach confidence as 548 00:35:09,599 --> 00:35:14,440 a fundamental of the golf swing, a fundamental of the putting stroke, a 549 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:19,559 fundamental of your short game strokes. It's like an essential piece of the pie 550 00:35:19,639 --> 00:35:22,079 or piece of the puzzle that you must have. You could have the greatest 551 00:35:22,079 --> 00:35:25,039 golf swing mechanics in the world, the greatest balance, the greatest timing, 552 00:35:25,639 --> 00:35:29,559 and if you walk up to the golf ball and you lack confidence and your 553 00:35:29,559 --> 00:35:30,719 ability hit it, well, guess what, You're not going to hit it. 554 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:36,400 Well. It's that important. In some ways, it's more important mechanics. 555 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:39,440 And so what I've done in the last couple of years in my teaching 556 00:35:39,559 --> 00:35:44,119 is basically made this a very very important principle. And I tell people, 557 00:35:44,159 --> 00:35:46,599 look, there's no point in walking on the golf course. If you're going 558 00:35:46,679 --> 00:35:50,159 to have fear over a golf shot, or if you're gonna have anxiety over 559 00:35:50,199 --> 00:35:52,400 a golf shot, I will talk about the beginning of they're sure even if 560 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:57,039 it's long part three over water you get two hundred and twenty yard carry and 561 00:35:57,119 --> 00:36:00,360 when you get one or two club wind in your face, if you get 562 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:01,880 it really good with your three with you might make it over. You know, 563 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:06,559 it's normal in the beginning of the of your of your routine to have 564 00:36:06,599 --> 00:36:09,000 fear. The point is you can't stay with that fear while you're striking at 565 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:13,400 the ball. At some point before you walk up to the ball and settle 566 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,159 into your set up, your starting position, you've got to banish that fear 567 00:36:15,199 --> 00:36:20,559 and replace it with confidence. And there's there's a technique for that. There's 568 00:36:20,599 --> 00:36:22,679 a technique for method acting. There's a technique from MLP for how to do 569 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:28,039 that. It's called changing your state. You can change your state consciously, 570 00:36:28,119 --> 00:36:31,960 choose to change your state from one of fear to one of courage. And 571 00:36:32,039 --> 00:36:35,440 to me, it's like, so it's so important to do that. And 572 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,480 I think again, that's what a tiger had that nobody else had. To 573 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,719 that extent, and he's starting to get it back. And because he's getting 574 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:49,719 it back, I really think he's going to start winning a lot. What 575 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,280 did you know about Sean Foley before Tiger announced that he was going to be 576 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,679 working with him? Had you heard about him? Well? Yeah, I 577 00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,679 did. I mean it's you know, yeah, there's sort of an insight 578 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,960 based ball sort of gossip thing that happens with the in the golf community. 579 00:37:05,079 --> 00:37:09,559 I'd heard good and bad things. I heard that he had. He's actually 580 00:37:09,559 --> 00:37:14,960 admitted this to his credit. He had taken on Parkerbergloughlin from Hawaii as a 581 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:20,079 student and basically ruined his game. And Sean is, I mean, I 582 00:37:20,159 --> 00:37:22,159 hate to be blunt, but that's as you know, that's my style. 583 00:37:22,159 --> 00:37:27,639 Uh. He radically changed his Yeah, he radically changed his left hand grip 584 00:37:27,679 --> 00:37:30,639 for one that from an ideal standpoint, probably was a little too strong, 585 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:35,079 too much turned to the right. Uh, and he tried to move it 586 00:37:35,119 --> 00:37:37,679 over too quickly to the left. And you know, and I think with 587 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:39,079 Shawn has since learned. He said this is that you know, with a 588 00:37:39,199 --> 00:37:43,400 with a really good player, you get a real talented tour pro. It's 589 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,880 like a thoroughbred racing horse. You don't want to do too many changes to 590 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:47,840 it. You don't want to change his diet too much. You don't want 591 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,599 to change his exercise routine because you might ruin it. Right, there's so 592 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,280 there's so much natural ability with an already gifted player, like a tour pro. 593 00:37:55,159 --> 00:38:00,000 What you want to do, for the most part is unless unless, 594 00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:02,639 unless the unless. If the pro wants a radical change, like Tiger did, 595 00:38:04,039 --> 00:38:06,360 and Tiger basically said that, fully, throw the book at me. 596 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,599 This Haney stuff ain't working. I got to do something. I mean, 597 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:13,519 I'm dying here. I got to change my swing. Right. He knew 598 00:38:13,559 --> 00:38:16,159 that there was some fundamental weaknesses in his Hani swing, that things were not 599 00:38:16,199 --> 00:38:20,559 only not getting better, but they were getting worse, particularly with the driver. 600 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:23,440 So in that case, Fully said, okay, I'll throw the book 601 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:27,599 at you. So they embarked in a process of radical swing change as well. 602 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,280 I don't know. I don't know what happened with Parker and Sean in 603 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:34,039 terms of what they were what Parker expressed, but I mean, obviously Parker 604 00:38:34,039 --> 00:38:36,800 wanted to get better at ball striking. Sean said we're going to change your 605 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,039 grip, and it made it worse. And that's always the problem when you 606 00:38:39,079 --> 00:38:42,920 when you make a rip back in pros and cons with the two methods, 607 00:38:44,039 --> 00:38:47,679 the cons of a radical swing change are, at least temporarily even for an 608 00:38:47,679 --> 00:38:52,559 average player, let alone a tour pro, you can get worse. In 609 00:38:52,599 --> 00:38:55,400 my experience, it tends to be the opposite, though, average players tend 610 00:38:55,480 --> 00:39:00,440 to get really really good pretty quickly when you make radical change. Uh. 611 00:39:01,159 --> 00:39:06,199 Again, as long as that too radical for you know, moderately radical uh 612 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:10,199 and really good players tend to get worse. So I tend I tend to 613 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,599 be very wary. I did. I tend to be very conservative. I 614 00:39:13,639 --> 00:39:19,199 work with already gifted low handicap amateurs and prosu and I tend to be very 615 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,000 radical with the with the high handicappers who are willing to put the time in. 616 00:39:22,039 --> 00:39:23,079 Obviously, if they tell me they're not willing to practice, then I 617 00:39:23,119 --> 00:39:25,719 don't I don't do it. But if they were, if they're one to 618 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:30,400 put a year or two of training into making their swing more like a tour 619 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:34,559 pros uh, than I'm willing to work with with average players who will who 620 00:39:34,559 --> 00:39:37,480 are commits to who are who at that level of commitment. So were you 621 00:39:37,519 --> 00:39:42,320 surprised that Tiger from what you heard from inside Baseball did Were you surprised that 622 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:47,360 Tiger chose Sean Foley? Yeah, actually I was, but you know the 623 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:51,480 boss on Foley was and if this is still true, if you listen to 624 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,480 with Sean O'Hare, Shawn O'Hair was the first really good player to work with 625 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:59,360 Foley. He worked with Steven Ames, who was his first tour pro, 626 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,239 and that was because a buddy of Stephen Ames who was friends with Foley and 627 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:08,480 was impressed with Foley's short game instruction. Foley was mainly a He made his 628 00:40:08,519 --> 00:40:15,280 reputation up in Canada working with juniors, not even working with average amateur adults, 629 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,840 although we obviously did both. But he made a niche for himself working 630 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:22,159 with juniors. And they formed the I forget the name of it, even 631 00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,039 with the sea. The name escaped somebody escapes me at the moment. But 632 00:40:25,079 --> 00:40:31,519 they formed a golf academy in Orlando, and he was actually an employee at 633 00:40:31,519 --> 00:40:36,559 this golf academy that was mainly geared towards juniors. They had they had I 634 00:40:36,559 --> 00:40:38,519 think they had a winter base in Orlando, in summer base up in somewhere 635 00:40:38,519 --> 00:40:43,960 in camping outside Toronto. But anyhow he met Stephen Ames through a buddy and 636 00:40:44,119 --> 00:40:49,480 then Aimes introduced into Shan O'Hare. But the buzz on Foley was he was 637 00:40:49,519 --> 00:40:53,480 more like a mental game wizard, slash mentor to some of these younger guys, 638 00:40:53,519 --> 00:40:57,599 actually guys who are basically around his own age or maybe a little bit 639 00:40:57,639 --> 00:41:02,440 younger. But Foley's very well read. It was the core core golf tours, 640 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:07,480 Yeah, correct, core golficad right correct the internet. You know, 641 00:41:07,519 --> 00:41:12,480 I mean he's he's not He's not in the traditional mold of a golf teacher. 642 00:41:12,519 --> 00:41:16,239 He's left wing in his politics as I am. I like that aren't 643 00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:21,760 too many left wing golf teachers out there. Uh. He reads, he 644 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,280 reads philosophy, he reads psychology. Uh. And he was applying some of 645 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:29,400 his you know, some of his some of some of his sort of life 646 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:34,280 wisdom to the younger pros like Sean O'Hare and then Justin Rose and then Hunter 647 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,119 Mayhon, and they're basically saying he made them better, not so much because 648 00:41:37,159 --> 00:41:39,719 of the swing changes. Because he looked at vest and Rose's swing and Sean 649 00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:45,679 O'Hair swing, Hunter Mayon swing, it didn't change radically at all from their 650 00:41:45,679 --> 00:41:49,400 previous teachers. After they worked with Folio for like, you know, the 651 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,400 first year or two, especially the same swings, not that I mean they 652 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:57,440 both say the changes for sure, but their second they're they're minor changes. 653 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,599 But they liked working with because he was a great mentor on the mental side. 654 00:42:04,119 --> 00:42:06,400 He kind of got them pumped up. He got them to believe in 655 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,039 themselves, to have more confidence, like we were talking about earlier. And 656 00:42:09,039 --> 00:42:13,280 that's kind of what we heard more about. Not so much a swing change 657 00:42:13,519 --> 00:42:17,079 guru, but more of a mental game guru. But now that's going to 658 00:42:17,199 --> 00:42:21,559 change because he obviously he and Tiger did some, like I said, really 659 00:42:21,639 --> 00:42:24,440 radical swing changes, much more radical than he worked with those other guys. 660 00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,400 Hey listen, not that I that you and I couldn't go on for another 661 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,559 three and a half hours, but I have an appointment a couple of minutes. 662 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,119 Have you business call coming up, So let's before you go, please 663 00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:44,639 promote your golf schools where when how to get in touch? Sure we have 664 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:49,400 I think our students, both of our graduates will tell you we have actually 665 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,039 happened so often in fewyears. We changed our slogan the best golf school in 666 00:42:52,079 --> 00:42:55,000 the nation. Some people say the best golf school in the planet, but 667 00:42:55,039 --> 00:42:58,960 I don't know if I go that far. But I haven't been everywhere in 668 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,800 the planet, so I guess qualified saying the planet. But uh, it's 669 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:08,679 very effective and it's web addresses, balancepoint golf dot com. And where are 670 00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:17,639 the less Oh yeah, Portland, Oregon in the uh summer months and Hawaii 671 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:23,880 and Singapore in the winter months. So let me let me make one more 672 00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:29,039 plug, which I probably don't do enough. You guarantee anybody I opened the 673 00:43:29,079 --> 00:43:30,239 door for you, man, I let you do it. But this will 674 00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,840 just take a second. This will go for it. One of the things 675 00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:37,599 one of the positive feedbacks we get from almost every graduate, which is a 676 00:43:37,639 --> 00:43:42,400 nice side of benefit besides the incredible level of improvement they get, is people 677 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:46,079 are also say funniest golf school. Uh. And I was talking. I 678 00:43:46,119 --> 00:43:50,920 talked my number one assistant, Cliff Goldman, who is so funny. He's 679 00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:52,800 sort of like a combination of Larry David and Woody Allen, and he has 680 00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:59,519 people literally falling off their chairs, gasping for air, laughing so hard. 681 00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:06,119 Regular basis, well, you're learning all this cool information about golf, you're 682 00:44:06,199 --> 00:44:08,920 laughing a lot's awol. Yeah, and you know and listen. Uh. 683 00:44:09,159 --> 00:44:15,800 And if you bring me along, then you'll have the corniest podcast host who 684 00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:20,719 specializes in daddy humor, which means every time I tell a joke, people 685 00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:24,599 roll their eyes. It's like, oh God, come on dad, Yeah 686 00:44:24,679 --> 00:44:28,159 right, I mean every kid get that. Every you know, people think 687 00:44:28,159 --> 00:44:30,559 you're funny, but your kids don't. What is it? What's up with 688 00:44:30,679 --> 00:44:32,519 that? Right? That's exactly that. That's my that's my dilemment in life. 689 00:44:32,599 --> 00:44:37,280 Yet it's like not funny dad, right, right? And you know 690 00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,800 what, I am just going to be patient because I know that so many 691 00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,639 of the jokes that I've been telling my kid's life, when they become dads, 692 00:44:44,639 --> 00:44:46,599 they're going to use the same jokes and I get to look at them 693 00:44:46,599 --> 00:44:52,760 and go, hah, yeah, I hope, I hope I get to 694 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:57,039 be there for that. Well, if you like politically incorrect humor, I 695 00:44:57,119 --> 00:45:00,719 mean a little bit of Bill Hicks, a little bit of h uh Richard 696 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:06,239 pryor a little bit of Larry David, that kind of humor, you'll you'll 697 00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:07,920 love, uh, you love me and cliffs our stuff. We got some 698 00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:12,000 good good bits we'll use it in school. Well, best of luck with 699 00:45:12,039 --> 00:45:14,960 your your schools coming up. Jim, it was great to speak with you 700 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:19,800 again and we will stay in touch and do it more often. Great thanks Bred