1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:06,599 You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network, the best in paranormal talk radio 2 00:00:06,799 --> 00:00:14,119 in the UK and around the world. You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio 3 00:00:14,279 --> 00:00:36,399 Network. Hello, is that the famous Astronova, Sir Patrick Wall It is 4 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:46,719 much any mules on the space front. Rous has just designed and developed five 5 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:53,280 igantic steadily art rocket ships. All members have pollowed along with the American Senate, 6 00:00:53,719 --> 00:00:57,759 have first class tickets of all them. You see, they're told they're 7 00:00:57,799 --> 00:01:03,880 going to the moon. Who exact where are they going? Sir Patrick, 8 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:49,959 The new normally dis comentitiously astronomosis a huge black hole. Welcome to Twin Souls. 9 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,760 Twin Souls has brought to you an association with a poun m, the 10 00:01:53,879 --> 00:01:57,239 UK Radio Network. Your host Philip can sella. Now, ladies and gentlemen, 11 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:00,599 we have an amazing guest on our show to day, none other than 12 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:07,719 Chris Evers. And Chris Evers is the creator OFLM Outer Limits Magazine, a 13 00:02:07,759 --> 00:02:14,840 wonderful online magazine which pulls to and brings together all researchers authors within the UFO 14 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:19,960 Department of Study. Not only that, but Chris also organizes conferences, amazing 15 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,800 conferences and he's actually written a book. His first book called The Shape of 16 00:02:23,879 --> 00:02:29,599 Things to Come from Elsewhere, and I thought that title really was very catchy. 17 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,960 And the book also has a forward by Peter Robbins, eupologist from the 18 00:02:34,039 --> 00:02:38,400 United States of America. And I've got to say before we get into finding 19 00:02:38,439 --> 00:02:43,159 all about Chris and what got him involved in UFOs, and you know the 20 00:02:43,199 --> 00:02:46,439 conferences in his magazine and as well as the book, but reading this book, 21 00:02:46,479 --> 00:02:50,680 it's really very different because one of the things I found was that it's 22 00:02:50,759 --> 00:02:53,240 very black and white. It's very to the point and deals with the actual 23 00:02:53,400 --> 00:03:00,120 shapes of UFOs, which is very interesting and poses many questions that I'm sure 24 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,439 we'll get to within interviews. So Hello, Chris, how are you, 25 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,479 Hi? Phil thank you very much for the invitation to come on you Sure 26 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:13,400 twin Souls. It's nice once again to be on the Paranormal UK Radio network. 27 00:03:13,719 --> 00:03:16,080 As you know, I used Robert Sure along with Philip Mantle a couple 28 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:21,039 of years ago now, and it's nice to be to be on the show 29 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,840 with you and to speak to your face to face as it were. Yeah, 30 00:03:24,879 --> 00:03:30,280 well, from this end of the recording, it certainly is lovely but 31 00:03:30,319 --> 00:03:34,120 it's so fascinating. I mean, your whole involvement within the subject of UFO 32 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:38,159 research and also the dedication that you've put within that field of research, and 33 00:03:38,199 --> 00:03:43,919 also bringing together other key elements to this, not just on a theoretical level, 34 00:03:44,159 --> 00:03:47,000 but also reaching out to you know, amazing minds from across the world 35 00:03:47,319 --> 00:03:51,599 who is all looking into this subject. So tell us, Chris, what 36 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,759 was it that got you involved in UFO's in the first place, Because everyone 37 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:59,560 has a story or an experience that they can recount with regards to what got 38 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:04,120 them there. Absolutely, I think everybody that has come into this subject or 39 00:04:04,159 --> 00:04:08,919 should we say maybe and this is complete guests Off the top of my head, 40 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:12,439 I do not have actual figures, but I would say at least ninety 41 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:18,000 nine percent of people that'm involved with UFO investigations, research studies, whatever you 42 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,839 want to tell them, it as I've had some kind of experience where they've 43 00:04:21,879 --> 00:04:28,920 seen a strange event or an incident, or a strange light or even a 44 00:04:28,959 --> 00:04:32,639 craft of some description. You know, they've seen those and it's dragged them 45 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:36,759 down the rabbit hole as we now call it, you know, into youuthology. 46 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:42,160 Well, I'm very much the same man began in February nineteen seventy four, 47 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:46,959 so I'm just over fifty years now of looking at this subject. I 48 00:04:46,959 --> 00:04:50,680 haven't always been up front, you know, a well known face within the 49 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:56,000 subject. But I think that has actually helped me just to study what I 50 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,879 want to study, to look at what I want to look at, and 51 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:02,600 it's helped me to keep balanced view hopefully, you know, I believe I've 52 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:06,920 got a balance for you anyway. But you know, and my involvement in 53 00:05:06,959 --> 00:05:11,279 the subject is explained, you know, in the book, which I'm sure 54 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,079 you know I got involved. I'm sure we'll discuss that in a few minutes. 55 00:05:16,079 --> 00:05:17,959 M. Yes, And you know, I do agree with you. 56 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:21,560 I think, you know, I wouldn't say that you're you know, unassuming. 57 00:05:21,639 --> 00:05:26,439 I think the work that you've done has been phenomenal. And it's normally 58 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:30,000 those individuals who in the background that get very little credit. But actually without 59 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,560 those people, none of this will work. So you know, you have 60 00:05:33,639 --> 00:05:38,920 to be credited for the huge amount of work and the effort that you've pulled 61 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:44,319 into this and of course supplemented to a large degree a lot of your time 62 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,439 and resources. And you know, so you know, a lot of people 63 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:51,160 out there have to thank you very much for what you've brought to the table 64 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:56,720 and also the creation of O. L. M. Outer Limits magazine, 65 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:01,560 which also fuels into the conference that you organize. But I will also say 66 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,639 here, Chris, which is interesting. I know that there's a lot of 67 00:06:04,639 --> 00:06:10,120 youupologists researchers out there who don't always see eye to I, who are not 68 00:06:10,319 --> 00:06:15,439 always on the same page with regards to what they think the phenomena may represent. 69 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:19,680 But what's truly intriguing is that your approach is very grounded. I think 70 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:25,959 you've taken this to a level that should have been taken to because we all 71 00:06:26,199 --> 00:06:30,519 hear about these different UFOs that are seen reported now UAPs, the acronym of 72 00:06:30,519 --> 00:06:35,720 which has changed. You know. They come in varied sizes, very dimensions, 73 00:06:36,439 --> 00:06:41,920 shapes, EPHN, triangular, circular, doughnut shaped, you name it, 74 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:46,120 we've had them. So I think that your book here actually has taken 75 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:51,279 a stance that no other research has really looked into. So you know, 76 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:58,160 how did this all come about for you? Well, as I mentioned a 77 00:06:58,199 --> 00:07:04,160 moment ago, I was involved really nineteen seventy four after my own siting here 78 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:09,759 in Hull in East Yorkshire, and again that is described in the book How 79 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,439 I got involved in that, So I'm not going to dwell on that for 80 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:17,519 too long. But I started reading the publications that were around at that time, 81 00:07:17,839 --> 00:07:23,040 books by Major Donald Keyhole. Everything seemed to come from America unless it 82 00:07:23,079 --> 00:07:26,560 was something to do with the warm inster thing, Arthur sugar Wood, etc. 83 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,319 So I read his books. I read Donald Keyhoe's books, and I 84 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:34,360 read read whatever I could from wherever I could. Now, being a fourteen 85 00:07:34,439 --> 00:07:39,839 year old lad, I didn't have the money to go out and buy brand 86 00:07:39,839 --> 00:07:45,279 new publications. So thankfully I joined the local library, the local lending library 87 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,759 here in Hull, and I think I went through about every single book on 88 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:54,199 the unexplained and you know, the phenomena that they had, you know, 89 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:57,839 and they knew what I was coming for as soon as I went in really, 90 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:01,839 to be quite honest with you. Yeah, So it went from that. 91 00:08:01,959 --> 00:08:07,639 I had an avid interest. I was. I got married young sixteen, 92 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:13,399 actually my first marriage, and I was together with that lady for about 93 00:08:13,439 --> 00:08:18,560 thirteen fourteen years, and I left that one and I got back involved in 94 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:24,639 the subject again, you know, and basically I ended up setting up the 95 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:31,959 whole UFO Society back in the mid nineteen nineties, and so my interest was 96 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:35,960 always there. I always had actually quite an avid interest in the subject, 97 00:08:37,159 --> 00:08:41,600 and people come in to meet just to talk to me, people like Paul 98 00:08:41,639 --> 00:08:48,759 Sinclair when he first started, you know, having mysterious events in Bridlington, 99 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:52,759 when he moved from West Yorkshire to Bridlington. He rang me up and I 100 00:08:52,759 --> 00:08:58,000 would spend hours talking on the phone with him. I sent him some publications 101 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:03,360 that I'd done at the time, which are paper based publications, very similar 102 00:09:03,399 --> 00:09:07,799 to what Limitsed magazine, just getting information out to people who were interested. 103 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:11,120 But as I say, back in those days it was paper based. The 104 00:09:11,159 --> 00:09:16,639 Internet or the computers weren't powerful enough to actually make them as PDFs, which 105 00:09:16,639 --> 00:09:18,240 I do now, and I just send them out to people, you know, 106 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:24,000 to subscribe. So anyway, people like Paul Sinclaire came, you know, 107 00:09:24,159 --> 00:09:28,279 came and spoke with me a little bit, and people like Graham Batel, 108 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:35,120 who were many British uthologists will know and remember Russ Callahan, people like 109 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:39,480 Tony Dodd, you know, Malcolm Robinson. I've first spoke with Malcolm back 110 00:09:39,519 --> 00:09:43,840 in the nineteen nineties. So I've always kind of been there within the subject, 111 00:09:43,279 --> 00:09:48,720 but just slightly in the background. Now, back in the early naughties, 112 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,759 the early two thousand I dropped out of the subject once again, really 113 00:09:52,759 --> 00:09:58,679 because my mum was here and she actually eventually passed away with cancer. So 114 00:10:00,159 --> 00:10:03,919 kept myself to myself, just carried on reading information and eventually got up to 115 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:09,000 the point where back again in twenty fourteen, I believe it was, I 116 00:10:09,039 --> 00:10:15,039 got interested in the subject once again and I started reading up on the reports 117 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,240 I'd missed out of over the last ten or so previous years, and I 118 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:22,320 just found really that the subject had changed, the rabbit hole had got a 119 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:26,919 bit deeper and a bit wider, you know. And anyway, that is 120 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:33,080 part of what I did, and part of that I saw there was a 121 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:41,600 little corner for perhaps another PDF based UFO publication or anything. Really, the 122 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:45,559 idea behind our Limits magazine was that it would be anything to do with the 123 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:52,720 paranormal ghosts UFOs, you know who parts which some people do forget about sometimes, 124 00:10:52,759 --> 00:10:56,200 you know, out of place artifact, that kind of thing. And 125 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:03,200 you know, the one thing I set out to do with OLM was not 126 00:11:03,399 --> 00:11:07,279 to put my opinion across. I do have opinions on subjects, but I 127 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:11,919 don't put them across and I don't share them, you know, as perhaps 128 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:15,720 as much as I should do, you know. So yeah, that was 129 00:11:15,759 --> 00:11:18,080 the reasoning behind OLM. And along with that, I thought, well, 130 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:22,759 perhaps I can do a conference in the whole area and bring people across the 131 00:11:22,799 --> 00:11:26,039 hole, such as yourself and your brother, you know, and it just 132 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:31,559 keep the interest going locally, because my idea is well, one of the 133 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:37,399 taglines that I use in OLM is being formed, and that is what I 134 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:41,600 tried to do, and that is what I tried to do with the publication, 135 00:11:41,039 --> 00:11:45,559 and that's what I tried to do with the book. And you know, 136 00:11:45,639 --> 00:11:50,120 it's interesting because you've connected with a lot of the top names within yourthology. 137 00:11:50,159 --> 00:11:52,759 I mean, you're good friends with UFO Royalty, Philip Mental, Oh 138 00:11:52,799 --> 00:11:58,720 yes, yes, And I did recall Philip telling me once when he was 139 00:11:58,759 --> 00:12:01,480 with Graham bird Sel and you know, they were setting up this magazine and 140 00:12:01,519 --> 00:12:05,519 it was all to do with this printing of this magazine and the problems they 141 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:09,360 had with it. So going back into the eighties most definitely. I mean 142 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:11,600 I remembered when I was a kid and I would go to the library because 143 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:15,639 we didn't have much money. Then I don't think any kid really had much 144 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,279 money. You were lucky if you've got fifty p a week, you know. 145 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:24,720 But that's where I would look across the shelves to see what UFO titles 146 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:26,720 they had, and to be honest with you, there weren't that many of 147 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:30,600 them. I remember the one on Roswell, UFO Crash and a few others. 148 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,919 But I would sit in the library every Saturday doing a project on them. 149 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,759 And that was when I was, you know, round about the age 150 00:12:35,759 --> 00:12:41,200 of thirteen going on to fourteen, and my grandmother bought me my very first 151 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:43,639 book, The Heinechqufo Reporter. I remembered I didn't understand a word of the 152 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:48,360 paperback, but I was drawn to the cover with a flying saucer on the 153 00:12:48,399 --> 00:12:54,360 front with clouds behind it. So going back to your creation of the Outer 154 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:58,360 Limits magazine, you know, that's very interesting because now everything is computer based, 155 00:12:58,399 --> 00:13:03,559 and you know, within publications now it is all PDF files and you 156 00:13:03,639 --> 00:13:07,840 download information, which is the way that things are going. And I know 157 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:15,639 that author and film writer David Sapastin of Cocoon, he is a dear friend. 158 00:13:16,519 --> 00:13:22,279 He said to us that we would become basically content providers. So you 159 00:13:22,399 --> 00:13:26,960 tell us a little bit about you know, with regards to going back all 160 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:33,080 those years, I mean you had you were connected with beufora as well too, 161 00:13:33,159 --> 00:13:37,480 and with the likes of Gary Anthony, and of course the interest of 162 00:13:37,519 --> 00:13:39,840 the magazines came your way because you were thinking to yourself, well, you 163 00:13:39,879 --> 00:13:43,840 know I can do that, not so much paper based because that was much 164 00:13:43,879 --> 00:13:48,159 more expensive back in the day. But you know, your your magazine is 165 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:52,080 really very informative, and I know that I've been graced by having a number 166 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:56,559 of articles published in there where time permits. But you know it has got 167 00:13:56,559 --> 00:14:00,639 a growing base, hasn't it with regards to your magazine and pushing it out 168 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:05,679 there to be informed is what it's all about. So you know that's very 169 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:09,519 interesting, and I always wondered whether or not you actually with all the knowledge, 170 00:14:09,519 --> 00:14:13,639 all the information that you have, that you would set about bringing a 171 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,440 book out. You've also had, you know, big names coming to the 172 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:20,759 conference. You've also connected with all those big names in the past as well. 173 00:14:22,799 --> 00:14:26,039 But you know, although you've got the idea for this, your book, 174 00:14:26,039 --> 00:14:28,279 the shape of things to come from that little bit of a niche also 175 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:33,399 with regards to the shape of them. You know, I wanted to ask 176 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:39,360 you, and as we're getting into the subject of yourphology here with your ideas, 177 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:43,320 your opinions, which are important. I mean, do you believe that 178 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:48,159 we are dealing with a multitude of intelligences or do you believe that, perhaps 179 00:14:48,279 --> 00:14:54,679 Chris, that we're dealing with one single phenomena that's operating with different vigors like 180 00:14:54,759 --> 00:15:00,840 us as human beings have different shaped crafts, you know, aircraft with vehicles, 181 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:03,600 cars, by set happen thing. What's your opinion on that? What 182 00:15:03,679 --> 00:15:09,919 do you think? Well, I actually believe that we are being visited by 183 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:20,360 many, many different species, I'll put it that way, of extraterrestrial visitors 184 00:15:20,559 --> 00:15:24,360 lifeever you want to call them. Now, the reason I say that is 185 00:15:24,399 --> 00:15:28,679 somebody wants estimating and I forget the gentleman's name now, it could have been 186 00:15:28,039 --> 00:15:35,679 Enrico Fermi, But I believe somebody estimated that the galaxy, the full galaxy, 187 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:39,360 the universe, whatever you want to call everything that's out there. They 188 00:15:39,399 --> 00:15:45,799 were estimated that there was something like three hundred billion I think it was stars 189 00:15:46,519 --> 00:15:52,840 out there. Yeah. Now when we take those the same individual estimated that 190 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:58,759 each one of those stars will have at least one planet circling around it. 191 00:16:00,159 --> 00:16:03,679 Now, if we take that, that's a hell of a lot of planets 192 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:07,759 in the galaxy or the universe, whatever you want to call it, you 193 00:16:07,759 --> 00:16:15,080 know. So my answer is, if we can have life on one planet, 194 00:16:15,039 --> 00:16:21,080 surely we can have life on other many other planets. We're not something 195 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:23,840 odd, you know, although when you look at how we treat each other, 196 00:16:23,879 --> 00:16:26,960 you know, you'd think that we are quite odd, you know, 197 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:32,679 as a species. To be honest with you, anyway, So that is 198 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:37,159 what my belief is. Somebody once called me, I think it was last 199 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:41,399 October actually, and it was actually an interview with Paul Sinclair, and he 200 00:16:41,519 --> 00:16:48,559 actually called me an old school uthologist. Now I actually sat, I actually 201 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:53,360 sat and thought, what does he mean by your school youthologists? Now I 202 00:16:53,519 --> 00:17:03,720 view that as me being a little bit and bolts about the subject. I 203 00:17:03,799 --> 00:17:10,240 believe that whatever they these visitors are using to travel to UDS must have some 204 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:17,759 kind of fantastic advanced technology which enables them to travel the distances that they do. 205 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:22,240 After all, let's be honest, you know, serious. The nearest 206 00:17:22,279 --> 00:17:26,799 star towards I believe it is, is four light years away, So you 207 00:17:26,839 --> 00:17:30,920 know, that's a hell of a distance. So if we have been visited 208 00:17:30,559 --> 00:17:36,319 by and I've heard numbers, some suggesting as many as different as as fifty 209 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:41,960 seven different species or sixty seven different species, excuse me, I've aid those 210 00:17:42,039 --> 00:17:47,480 kind of numbers. So you know, if they are visiting as those kind 211 00:17:47,519 --> 00:17:52,200 of numbers or more or less, it doesn't I'm not really bothered. They 212 00:17:52,279 --> 00:17:57,680 must have some kind of device which they're using to travel that distance. Now 213 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:03,920 this begs the question, you know, do they all come from the same 214 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:11,079 into galactic you know, a motor plant? Surely no, Surely if these 215 00:18:11,559 --> 00:18:18,000 creatures, these visitors were technically in advance of us, which let's be honest, 216 00:18:18,039 --> 00:18:21,880 they must be. If they're traveling those kind of distances in craft that 217 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:26,640 we can only dream about, you know, then they must be far, 218 00:18:26,759 --> 00:18:32,519 far, far far more technically advanced than we are. You know, UFO 219 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:37,599 Royalty. You know that the Prince Philip uses a bit of Philip Mantle. 220 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:41,480 If you're listening, I hope you enjoyed that. Yeah, I Philip uses 221 00:18:41,599 --> 00:18:48,400 a bit of an analogy that you know, if you took a modern TV, 222 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:52,519 smart TV and he dropped it in an ant's nest, the ants would 223 00:18:52,519 --> 00:18:56,240 crawl all over it in this case where the ants human race are the ants 224 00:18:56,319 --> 00:19:00,240 in this part, so they would climb. I'm all over that TV. 225 00:19:00,599 --> 00:19:04,119 That could do so for a million years, but they never get to know 226 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:08,920 exactly what it does, how it works, and what you can actually, 227 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:15,680 you know, achieve about using that TV. So I feel that right now 228 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,920 where we are with technology, we are kind of in the ants nest situation. 229 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:25,359 Yes, And I agree with you there because we think like humans, 230 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:30,680 and yet these extraterrestrials as they know, may be far in advance and think 231 00:19:30,759 --> 00:19:37,119 very differently from us on an evolutionary scale. And I did smile because I 232 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:40,279 do agree with you that as a species, you know, we haven't got 233 00:19:40,319 --> 00:19:44,480 anything right, and this is why we've really made no way forward in terms 234 00:19:44,559 --> 00:19:48,920 of progression technologically. It is interesting, I think also with regards to the 235 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:55,119 amount of star systems that are able to support habitable life for intelligences far beyond 236 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,759 our dreams, perhaps some of them in the early stages of development. And 237 00:19:57,799 --> 00:20:03,480 I've always found that fast within its symmetry. So I agree with you. 238 00:20:03,559 --> 00:20:08,720 I believe that this planet is home or perhaps a kind of like a passing 239 00:20:08,799 --> 00:20:15,079 mark for these intelligences that may be operating in different systems of reality. And 240 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,319 it's interesting. I think, you know when you say nuts and bolts, 241 00:20:18,319 --> 00:20:22,480 well, you know, we hear stories of crushed UFOs now UAPs, and 242 00:20:22,559 --> 00:20:30,279 I have no doubt whatsoever that this secret military and industrial complex have access to 243 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:37,240 that material, along with biological bodies that are probably stored on ice. So 244 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:40,119 that's very interesting. So I agree with you that they you know, we 245 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:44,599 always consider that they may have done it this way, but we're looking at 246 00:20:44,759 --> 00:20:48,839 in terms of our propulsion, in terms of our resources, our technology, 247 00:20:48,079 --> 00:20:52,920 which may be very very different from where they have come from and how they 248 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,559 have evolved. And I think that's very fascinating, and I want to ask 249 00:20:56,559 --> 00:21:00,000 a question. I really want to ask this question of you. I mean, 250 00:21:00,079 --> 00:21:03,319 I know that you know Prince Philip UFO Royalty as you as you labeled 251 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:10,359 him. We know he's UFO Royalty and he's always stated that this issue within 252 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:15,039 the Pentagon, with David Grush and also the others that are trying very hard 253 00:21:15,519 --> 00:21:18,720 to bring about disclosure, you have to give it to them because they're not 254 00:21:18,759 --> 00:21:22,400 there just for a tea party. They are dedicated within their convictions of what 255 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:30,319 they believe that we have these crashed objects with these biological entities, and that 256 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,440 you know this fastened. Philip has always said, no, it'll end up 257 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:37,000 in tears, and I agree with him because there never seems to be any 258 00:21:37,039 --> 00:21:44,119 point of disclosure because of the enormous complications and secrecy. What's your thoughts on 259 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:48,000 that, Chris, Well, my thoughts on disclosure. Well, let's talk 260 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:52,519 about David Grusfairs. Yes, I'm not disputing anything that the gentleman has done, 261 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:57,000 are what you said or anything. What I am disputing is the fact 262 00:21:57,039 --> 00:22:03,920 that he personally has not witnessed what he's claiming understood, so that you know, 263 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:07,680 if people have come to him. I mean I could come to you, 264 00:22:07,799 --> 00:22:11,319 phil and I could say, oh, I've just come up on the 265 00:22:11,319 --> 00:22:15,920 lottery of one a million pound, but I would have to show you that. 266 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,680 I would have to give you the evidence that I've done that. Now, 267 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:25,599 one of the problems we've got with disclosure. I mean, let's just 268 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:30,640 go back a minute first, just to twenty seventeen. Seventeenth of December twenty 269 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:37,640 seventeen, the New York Times article by I've got a name Keen anyway, 270 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:45,359 Leslie Kean, Yeah, Ralph Bloomington tal and Leslie Kean. What a fantastic 271 00:22:45,519 --> 00:22:52,759 article. It's in so many ways. The Pentagon have admitted that admitted right 272 00:22:52,279 --> 00:22:57,759 that we have lied to you that in the article they point out there is 273 00:22:57,839 --> 00:23:04,680 something beyond yous that we do not understand. That for me was disclosure. 274 00:23:07,279 --> 00:23:11,559 That was disclosure. Now I'll bring it forward now to the to the recent 275 00:23:11,519 --> 00:23:17,960 release of the information in the Arrow Report, which came out about week or 276 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:25,839 so ago. We do not need the United States to tell us, yes, 277 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:30,960 we admitted, we admitted that we've lied. We know the plaid, 278 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,640 you know, we don't need them to come forward and admit anything. There 279 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:40,880 is more than enough evidence around the world that something strange is going on, 280 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:47,519 and these different shapes of crafts, these different vehicles you know, that have 281 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:52,920 been seen in the skies of the planet and underwater. You know for millennire 282 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:59,920 I'm talking thousands of years. We know that these things have gone on. 283 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,279 We don't need the USA to take the lead. Why your people are waiting 284 00:24:03,319 --> 00:24:10,359 for America to do that? You know the problem with the Arrow Report is 285 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:15,920 that it's the police in this case, the Pentagon, etc. Police in 286 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:22,200 themselves. They would really expect they would come out after nearly eighty years and 287 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:26,799 say, oh, I'm sorry, guys, we've lied. You know, 288 00:24:26,279 --> 00:24:32,880 all they've done is another Project Saucer, another Project Sign, another Project Grudge, 289 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:38,559 and another Project blue Book. Nothing has changed. They're still trying to 290 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:45,279 control the narrative because there are still people there in you know, in the 291 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:51,519 United States, in the Pentagon who believe that that the people of the planet 292 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,799 cannot accept the truth. Well, come on, we're not We're not all 293 00:24:55,839 --> 00:24:59,759 backwards. You know this isn't you know, you know, it's not three 294 00:24:59,839 --> 00:25:03,119 sets. If over ad you know what I'm saying, We'll live in twenty 295 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:11,480 twenty four. Ad Man can't has advanced enough to understand that there must be 296 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:18,200 some kind of intelligent life out there. Yes, and that's some kind of 297 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:22,880 intelligent life is visiting the planet. Yes, yep, and absolutely I agree 298 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,400 with you wholeheartedly there because I remembered as a kid, you know, I 299 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:30,200 you know, we always used to go off down to the cinema uster Costa 300 00:25:30,319 --> 00:25:33,000 or but about fifty p I think to get into the cinema then, and 301 00:25:33,039 --> 00:25:37,799 I remember there was a film, not just et but one called Hangar eighteen, 302 00:25:37,319 --> 00:25:40,920 and I remembered you you know the film. I think we all we 303 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:41,960 all know the film, and that kind of scared me, you know, 304 00:25:42,039 --> 00:25:47,559 thinking that the government had this secret UFO and a hangar and obviously, you 305 00:25:47,599 --> 00:25:52,559 know, relaying the film off of actual events and facts that could well have 306 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,920 happened. And I agree also with you that we don't need to be told 307 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:03,799 by the Americans that you are a reality, because we have had our own 308 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:07,359 British Ministry of Defense that have had a keen interest in it, as well 309 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:11,920 as other areas around the globe. Now what's interesting is this with regards to 310 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:18,279 all of these varied factions of intelligence, they all seem to generate and connect 311 00:26:18,279 --> 00:26:22,920 with the United States, which you know most people see as a very supreme 312 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:27,240 culture in terms of acceleration. So I believe that there is a faction or 313 00:26:27,319 --> 00:26:33,559 an organization that reports directly to the States in certain areas of the country when 314 00:26:33,599 --> 00:26:37,039 these things come into force. And I do also know, as you will 315 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:44,240 well do, that there are these other secret corporate organizations that go in very 316 00:26:44,319 --> 00:26:48,720 quickly if a UFO or UP has been grounded. And it's interesting I've always 317 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,119 thought about this in my brother as well, thought very long and hard about 318 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:59,960 this about why these crafts seem to crash in and in the majority of cases 319 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,640 is in remote areas, which is very interesting, now, you know, 320 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:08,799 what's your theory on that. Do you believe or think that perhaps these intelligences 321 00:27:08,839 --> 00:27:14,039 are in some way wanting for us to try and father them out and work 322 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:19,279 their technology out to escalate our species. What's your thoughts about that, because 323 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,960 a lot of the crashes do appear to have occurred in remote you know areas 324 00:27:25,319 --> 00:27:29,079 well. We've had a report which I've seen today, which will be going 325 00:27:29,079 --> 00:27:33,559 in the next issue of or Limits magazine, which is available from first of 326 00:27:33,599 --> 00:27:38,640 April, about an alleged crash recovery in the north of England in the late 327 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:44,559 nineteen eighties. Now, obviously the mod have come out and said, now 328 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:51,680 nothing beyond this, you know, But there's actually an iranking paratrooper who actually 329 00:27:51,799 --> 00:27:53,440 said, oh, hang on a minute, yes there is something behind this. 330 00:27:53,799 --> 00:28:02,160 And apparently the crash was taken away, but apparent some I'll call them 331 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:10,079 individuals left the crash crash scene, and apparently the set of paratroopers, this 332 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:14,440 special unit actually went off to try to capture them or track them down anyway. 333 00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:17,680 What the outcome of all that is, I don't know because I've not 334 00:28:17,759 --> 00:28:21,960 read the full report yet. I will read that when I put it in 335 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:26,839 the magazine. But yeah, so stay tuned for that one. But if 336 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:33,519 my, if these individuals, these visitors are using I'll call them man made 337 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:38,400 devices for the sake of a better word. If they are using man made 338 00:28:38,519 --> 00:28:44,880 devices, it doesn't matter what you make. You know, you can make 339 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,799 a TV. It can feel. You can make a typewriter it can feel. 340 00:28:48,279 --> 00:28:53,799 So these devices if they have traveled many, many many miles, you 341 00:28:53,839 --> 00:28:57,839 know, across the universe, the galaxy, or you know, even if 342 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:03,119 the boneages come from a serious or Zeta reticular, you know they've actually come 343 00:29:03,319 --> 00:29:07,440 still come quite a distance. Things and parts can wear out. I mean, 344 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,400 man knee joints are wearing out. So you know, please help me, 345 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,680 I understand. You know. It's interesting because and there is also the 346 00:29:18,759 --> 00:29:25,039 hypothesis that they are tracked, and that is absolutely confirmed that the military know 347 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,880 when these UFOs UAPs come into our Earth orbit, they can track them. 348 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,599 This is what makes me laugh about. You know, they've got these amazing 349 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:38,920 telescopes that can just actually take clear pictures of other star systems but when it 350 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,480 comes to our very own moon, we don't get very clear images there, 351 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:47,920 and that's another story entirely. So we can see that there are some kind 352 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:53,480 of cover up absolutely totally there to not inform the public of what's really going 353 00:29:53,519 --> 00:30:02,200 on. And I believe that it's possible that the huge complexity of this will 354 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:07,039 be really hard for a lot of the public to digest because we have ostensibly 355 00:30:07,079 --> 00:30:12,720 been programmed by a system that's told us UFOs don't exist, and other areas 356 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,960 of the paranormal are just all here, so it's all a over bowld rubbish. 357 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:22,400 Now, what's really incredible and bizarre is that we have an admittance by 358 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,039 the system, almost like a drip feed way, to say, well, 359 00:30:26,519 --> 00:30:32,599 we may not have been honest there. Now, this is huge within its 360 00:30:32,599 --> 00:30:36,839 symmetry, Chris, because this opens up a can off worms with regards to 361 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:41,400 the reality of the phenomena. And you know, think about all those people 362 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,640 who have themselves had these experiences, been mocked and jeered at in the streets 363 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:51,720 and especially in the media cartel. Can you imagine how many of these organizations 364 00:30:51,759 --> 00:30:56,119 will be sued by these individuals for perhaps definition of character or that you know, 365 00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:00,759 that they've been live to. I think this opens up huge can what's 366 00:31:00,799 --> 00:31:03,440 your thoughts on that. I completely agree with that statement, to be quite 367 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:10,359 honest with you, Yes, you know this is why I have an interest 368 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:14,920 to some extent in the older reports, some of which I mentioned in the 369 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,799 book. I mean, for example, in the book, I put a 370 00:31:18,799 --> 00:31:26,400 story in I think it's from twelve to fifteen AD where there's an execution about 371 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,240 to take place in Japan, when I'm presuming this was a daytime execution, 372 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,599 because I can't see the point of you know, this execution taking place when 373 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:40,400 the sugun or the emperor or whoever was behind it wants to put his authority 374 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:44,960 across to the individuals in the area that he controlled. So I'm presuming it 375 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:49,319 was a daytime execution. Where Upon this priest who was about to lose his 376 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:56,039 life and the many others that were there, actually witnessed a silver, round 377 00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:02,039 object in the sky. They said it was unlike So imagine the size of 378 00:32:02,079 --> 00:32:07,240 the moon. You know, I know we see it at different distances, 379 00:32:07,279 --> 00:32:12,279 but just imagine the size of the moon flying in the sky above your head 380 00:32:12,799 --> 00:32:17,079 in twelve fifteen What was that? Where did it come from? Was it 381 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:22,440 something that you know, the physicists of use to get here, or was 382 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:27,240 it something that was natural? Well, it can't be natural, and certainly 383 00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:31,920 not a balloon, because the Mongolfier brothers didn't actually perfect or air balloon until 384 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:37,200 the seventeen seventies, So you know, what the hell was it? But 385 00:32:37,279 --> 00:32:42,880 the outcome of this was that this priest was spared his life because they viewed 386 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,640 this as a message from the gods. This thing was flying in the sky. 387 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:52,240 What we tend to do We look at this problem, this subject, 388 00:32:52,839 --> 00:32:57,480 or we look at it through the eyes of the technology that we have at 389 00:32:57,519 --> 00:33:00,680 the time. So today we'll look at it, you know, a little 390 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,559 bit more advanced than perhaps they did in twelve fifteen. We can go back 391 00:33:04,559 --> 00:33:07,599 to again. I mentioned it in the book and the Battle of I think 392 00:33:07,599 --> 00:33:13,119 it was something called Malvan Bridge in Rome where Emperor Constantine, who had had 393 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,720 a vision of the previous night of he claims he had a vision of Christ 394 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:25,599 claiming that if he went to battle under the cross or a psalm, that 395 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:30,200 he was given anyway that he would win the battle, had become the emperor 396 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:36,279 and during the battle something was seen in the sky. Now, whether or 397 00:33:36,319 --> 00:33:42,839 not it's just completely all that is myth, you know. But again people 398 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,839 will have witnessed that. We can come forward to nineteen fifty two, I 399 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:50,720 think it was. We have a football game taking place in Florence, in 400 00:33:50,759 --> 00:33:55,599 Italy between two local teams who were quite you know, quite what's the word. 401 00:33:55,640 --> 00:34:00,519 All he was contentious with each other anyway, doing this particular game, 402 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:07,319 normal game of football soccer, and these two teams. Nothing, nothing was 403 00:34:07,359 --> 00:34:09,599 really going on in the game. It was a normal football game up until 404 00:34:09,599 --> 00:34:14,440 our time. Teams went off, had a bit of refreshment, come back 405 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:19,320 on more or less. Right from the very beginning, devices were seen over 406 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:25,760 the stadium. Now these devices were witnessed by ten thousand people. Again, 407 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:30,079 we don't need America to tell us these things are going on. We have 408 00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:36,480 witnesses globally who see these things on a regular basis, you know. So 409 00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:42,199 we are being visited by some kind of unknowns, and I mean, basically, 410 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,039 that's that's where what I feel about that. You know, it's interesting 411 00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:52,920 because your book The Shape of Things to Come from Elsewhere does specify a lot 412 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:57,239 of really very interesting cases that some of which I didn't even hear about. 413 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:02,119 And one wonders whether or not these intelligences, you know, if they're actually 414 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:06,920 on our planet they're not actually coming from another star system, or if they 415 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,000 have they've been here for a very long time, because as you said, 416 00:35:09,039 --> 00:35:15,400 with regards to these cases that happened, you know, centuries ago, it 417 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,039 tells us that they're they're very much interested in us as human beings, but 418 00:35:19,119 --> 00:35:22,480 don't want to be a part of our culture or connect in with us. 419 00:35:22,519 --> 00:35:29,079 They've always remained separate from us, and this overall mystery. I love the 420 00:35:29,079 --> 00:35:35,800 way that you quite rightfully put very very important and very very much well said 421 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,960 in terms of like the priests that were spared because of the UFO that had 422 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:45,360 been seen as a sign from God, and now going forward to all this 423 00:35:45,519 --> 00:35:52,079 time, people are now confusing the issue of UFOs UAPs with back engineer technology 424 00:35:52,079 --> 00:35:54,800 because we have reached a level where we're able to, you know, become 425 00:35:54,880 --> 00:36:00,079 airborne with new technology, and this is what creates this Merkin and I feel 426 00:36:00,119 --> 00:36:07,119 that it's possible that the intelligence behind all of this knows this and knows that 427 00:36:07,159 --> 00:36:10,320 it's able to cover itself in some kind of smoke screen, so it will 428 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:16,360 never be revealed as such. So I think that's very important, you know, 429 00:36:16,639 --> 00:36:21,159 I never really thought about it that way in terms of the past. 430 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,760 But it's really just concerting to know that the intelligence has been here for a 431 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:30,480 very long time, isn't it. But I also feel that if we are 432 00:36:30,519 --> 00:36:35,760 being visited by many different species, it's not you call it an intelligence. 433 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:40,199 Yes, it must be an intelligence, but there must be many different intelligences 434 00:36:42,159 --> 00:36:45,599 who were sending these different devices to us. I mean, when we compare 435 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:53,000 the shape of things to come from elsewhere, they appeared different now to what 436 00:36:53,079 --> 00:36:58,519 they were like in eighteen nineties. So they have advanced, you know, 437 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:07,199 I think they actually made a specific craft for a specific job. I think 438 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:15,440 the device which was used to abduct Calvin Parker and Charlie Dixon was specific for 439 00:37:15,519 --> 00:37:20,760 that job. I think, you know, other devices which they've used are 440 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,440 specific for that for the jobs at the time. We do know that in 441 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:31,119 the eighteen nineties, excuse me, they were quite large cigar shaped objects, 442 00:37:31,199 --> 00:37:36,039 devices, vehicles, whatever you want to call them, flying in the skies 443 00:37:36,039 --> 00:37:38,760 of New Zealand. They then advanced and went to Australia, They came up 444 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:45,960 through Europe, then across to America. But these were all before these kind 445 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:51,719 of devices became popular with mankind and when mankind started to create them himself. 446 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,880 You know, it reminds me of the food Fighters, and of course the 447 00:37:54,960 --> 00:38:01,599 experience that me and Ronnie as twins had thirteen with our maternal grandmother with the 448 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:07,360 sphere, the football shaped silver sphere that came over to the garden and over 449 00:38:07,639 --> 00:38:13,119 our grandmother's head in broad daylight. And you know, although at that time 450 00:38:13,559 --> 00:38:15,480 we didn't know what it was, we knew it was not from here, 451 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:22,119 but from elsewhere, if I can use that heading there. But our grandmother 452 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,559 just told us that the fairies had come to take a closer look at us. 453 00:38:24,559 --> 00:38:27,920 She was covering it, I think, so that we won't be alarmed, 454 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,559 and she didn't seem at all fas. But I do think back to 455 00:38:30,599 --> 00:38:34,440 the World War two when the Foo fighters were seen. I mean, this 456 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,079 object wasn't glowing, it was just silver, but I'm sure that they perhaps 457 00:38:37,199 --> 00:38:40,679 glow in the dark, and that my brother always assumed was some kind of 458 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:45,199 eye. So when you talk about some kind of reconnaissance craft or some kind 459 00:38:45,199 --> 00:38:51,639 of exploratory craft that's not that doesn't have any biological form in it. That 460 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,480 certainly comes across and you know what's really strange here. I remembered I used 461 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:59,599 to watch The six Million Dollar Man. I mean, we're all used to 462 00:38:59,639 --> 00:39:01,360 watch, you know, Wonder Woman six months on. And one of the 463 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:07,679 things that used to say is my mum told me about that film. Yeah, 464 00:39:07,119 --> 00:39:09,440 sorry, mate. It was one of the programs I would never watch 465 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:13,719 when I was a kid. I apologize you no, but there was one. 466 00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,840 There were several series is where they had the people and they weren't people. 467 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:20,400 They took the mask off and it was a robot. And I remembered 468 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,320 thinking to myself, my goodness, that's not real. That's some kind of 469 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,800 machine. So was that kind of feeling the only way I could explain it, 470 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:30,480 that kind of feel that you get that when you're viewing some think of 471 00:39:30,519 --> 00:39:35,480 this kind that it is simply not from here. But it seemed weighty. 472 00:39:35,519 --> 00:39:37,440 But how could it float? How could it levitate the way that it did? 473 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:43,159 So I understand when you talk about these reconnaissance crafts are going back to 474 00:39:43,199 --> 00:39:46,840 when you're saying that they can malfunction, they can crash absolutely. I mean, 475 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,800 you know, we have our own issues and problems with our own technology 476 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:54,360 here that sometimes can go a roll. But what is your thoughts, Chris 477 00:39:54,400 --> 00:40:00,639 about what is it that you think that they want from us? They've they've 478 00:40:00,119 --> 00:40:07,719 kept themselves hidden for so long and so well removed from our society other than 479 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:14,920 and I'm sure those cases where crash retrievals have been implemented and biological specimens stored 480 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:20,360 away in cryogenic freeze or whichever way they store the bodies are able to preserve 481 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,679 the bodies. What is it? What do you think that they want from 482 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:28,440 us? Why are they here? We've had many, many, many people 483 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,360 trying to answer this question. Now, if I knew that, I would 484 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:36,440 be a rich man Philip, you know, because obviously I'd have the answer 485 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:43,079 for the question. But you know, I don't think that they're here to 486 00:40:43,679 --> 00:40:46,880 armors in any way because we don't have the technology to stop them. If 487 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:52,559 they were armors in any way, shape or form, they would have done 488 00:40:52,599 --> 00:40:57,079 so. They're not here to conquer the planet because they would have already done. 489 00:40:57,159 --> 00:41:01,880 So. You know, if I here to help us, then why 490 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:08,480 not come out of where ever they're riding? And I've had various points put 491 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:12,280 on that as well. You know, why don't they come out from wherever 492 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,320 they're hiding and try and do that for us, try and help us in 493 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:21,159 some way, shape or form or form. Should I say, you know, 494 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,679 I'm not. I don't do what I call the space brothers, you 495 00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:30,239 know, because I don't think that that is the right answer to the question. 496 00:41:30,119 --> 00:41:36,280 Now, where are the hiding You've mentioned the moon. You know a 497 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,280 lot of people who mentioned the moon. We don't get a lot of info 498 00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:44,360 from the far side of the moon. So we've had that that's one suggestion. 499 00:41:45,199 --> 00:41:50,480 We've also had other suggestions, for example, under the waves of the 500 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:55,760 oceans of the world, we know far far. We know only about five 501 00:41:55,800 --> 00:42:00,519 percent of what is under the waves of the oceans. That's all we've investigated. 502 00:42:00,639 --> 00:42:04,760 We know about the moon, more about the Moon than we do in 503 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:08,639 the Atlantic Ocean or the Pacific or whatever. You know. And there isn't 504 00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:13,960 a new thing though. That isn't something that has just come out. I 505 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,920 know. Gary Zeltown had an article in the American online version of The Sun 506 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,280 where he discussed the possibility that they did come from under the ocean. But 507 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:28,519 all he's doing is reflecting what Tony Dodd was talking about back in the nineteen 508 00:42:28,639 --> 00:42:32,199 nineties. I've got an issue of UFO magazine. I think it's from nineteen 509 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:36,000 ninety seven. I don't remember the month off the top of my head. 510 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:43,159 Where he talks. Tony talks about strange vehicles again I'll call them my vehicles 511 00:42:43,559 --> 00:42:49,440 flying in the air around the island of Iceland, you know, and fishermen 512 00:42:49,519 --> 00:42:54,880 reporting them to him, and these devices were apparently intercepted, according to Tony. 513 00:42:55,119 --> 00:42:59,599 I'm not saying he's right. I'm not saying he's wrong. These devices 514 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:06,400 was witnessed going into the sea, and apparently at this time a NATO force 515 00:43:06,599 --> 00:43:10,199 was sent up there to investigate. But at that time, and now this 516 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:15,039 is when the world was a bit more quieter place. If the Russians actually 517 00:43:15,119 --> 00:43:21,119 got involved and apparently a couple of ships disappeared. Now again I'm not saying 518 00:43:21,119 --> 00:43:23,760 it's right. I'm not saying it's wrong. But I'm saying if that is 519 00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:31,000 true, then they could possibly some kind of subterranean species. But when you 520 00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:35,719 look at the technology that they've got, which is fir in advance of our 521 00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,079 own, then where did they get it from? How have they got this 522 00:43:39,519 --> 00:43:47,360 technology these materials to make flying devices that can travel underwater and in the air 523 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:52,159 at the same time, and they can switch and convet. It's a click 524 00:43:52,199 --> 00:43:55,360 of a finger, you know, you click your fingers and it goes from 525 00:43:55,400 --> 00:44:00,280 water to airborne. And also it's claimed that these same device ices can fly 526 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:05,239 out in space. Well, I suppose when we look at you know, 527 00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:10,920 the the control would need of these craft, there is not much different really 528 00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,960 with flying underwater to flying in space. That's right. And you know what's 529 00:44:16,079 --> 00:44:23,440 also disconcerting is that these UFOs or known as and identified submergible objects usos, 530 00:44:23,639 --> 00:44:27,920 are one of the same. I've never doubted that, and it's interesting. 531 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:32,280 I think that perhaps it's in it could be conceivable to assume that these intelligencers 532 00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:39,239 have with some of their vehicles used our materials, the Earth materials in composition 533 00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:44,000 of what you know with the heart of their materials, and that their spaceborne 534 00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:49,639 crafts are of different materials entirely. So I believe I do agree with you 535 00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:54,239 that these objects are one of the same, And again absolutely correct about the 536 00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:58,960 ocean because we know very little about what's under there, and what better form 537 00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,320 of camouflage of a hiding place, and on the Moon, because they know 538 00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:08,360 that we probably would have great difficulty getting there or right beneath our nose and 539 00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:13,519 under the under pressures that we would never be able to survive in. So 540 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:19,400 that's that kind of has always disconcerted me. Yeah, you know, I 541 00:45:19,519 --> 00:45:24,559 mentioned a few moments ago about those in control in inverted commas like to keep 542 00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:32,079 the subjects under their umbrella. Now I've heard it said that the term USO 543 00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:38,400 in reports is no longer used. I heard it described as as being I 544 00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:46,079 think it's you ups unidentified underwater phenomena. So not only is it u AP 545 00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:52,320 now, you know, unidentified aerial phenomena. They're trying to alter how they 546 00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:58,159 record information. And I think they're doing that because it's moving the goalpost slightly. 547 00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:02,400 So somebody sends in a quest a freedom of information request, you know, 548 00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,199 they can, oh, well, no, I'm sorry, we don't 549 00:46:05,199 --> 00:46:08,400 have anything on us host. It's u UPS now, you see. So 550 00:46:09,119 --> 00:46:12,920 you know, you know, I think that they like to control it all 551 00:46:13,039 --> 00:46:15,760 and move the goalpost, you know. But the Britain you mentioned the British 552 00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:25,119 investigation earlier, I actually think that Britain. You know, I'm not being 553 00:46:25,119 --> 00:46:28,840 funny, And America has been great to us over the years, you know, 554 00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:32,000 with as allies and so on and so forth. But I think it's 555 00:46:32,039 --> 00:46:39,360 time the British government got off its own backs Haarde and started investigating these events 556 00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:45,800 seriously once again. Because there is talk around Europe, Germany, France. 557 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,800 We know France is quite open anyway, Spain I think is quite open, 558 00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:54,000 and in other countries like Italy, you know, they're all opening their files 559 00:46:54,079 --> 00:46:58,800 up for people to look at these. You know, yes, there'll be 560 00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:02,719 some rubbish in there, but you know there's going to be some quite interesting 561 00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:07,960 things in there as well. And you know, what's really disconcerting that for 562 00:47:07,079 --> 00:47:13,159 all these decades of denial and we're still you know, only scratching the surface 563 00:47:13,159 --> 00:47:16,719 of it. And I believe that my understanding, Chris, I'd like your 564 00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:24,239 opinion here is that the major corporate companies are in possession of these objects, 565 00:47:24,599 --> 00:47:29,880 and what right do they feel that they have to deem it as theirs when 566 00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,039 actually it belongs to all of us. I mean, you know, the 567 00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:37,280 planet belongs to all of us. You would think that we have division and 568 00:47:37,679 --> 00:47:43,760 difficulties in terms of getting on with one another in certain countries, but you 569 00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,639 know, with regards to U Fou phenomen it's just absolutely ludicrous. I can't 570 00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:52,280 get my head round the fact and here it comes. What is the big 571 00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:59,599 deal about stating to all of us that, yes, there is intelligent life 572 00:47:59,599 --> 00:48:04,480 out there. All the scientific establishments will admit that is fact. But to 573 00:48:04,519 --> 00:48:08,440 a planet that we can't even reach, it's a possibility. But what is 574 00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:15,480 the problem in stating to the people why the reality is real when they keep 575 00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:19,880 telling us that it's not. They're going around in circles. What's your what's 576 00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,199 your opinion about that? Why do you think that they won't tell us? 577 00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:28,679 They're trying to control the narrative. The excuse a few decades ago would be 578 00:48:29,159 --> 00:48:34,079 oh, mankind will fail, you know, if fall won't be able to 579 00:48:34,199 --> 00:48:38,000 understand it, religion will fail, religion will collapse. Sorry, it's all 580 00:48:38,039 --> 00:48:42,480 poppy coot. As I mentioned earlier, you know, we're intelligent enough and 581 00:48:42,559 --> 00:48:47,000 to accept I think in a recent survey, I think it was in America 582 00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:57,320 about seventy six percent of people accepted the notion of extraterrestrial intelligence. Whether or 583 00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,360 not again, I'll say this, you know, whether or not that intelligence 584 00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:05,679 is visiting the planet is a different question. But they actually believe in the 585 00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:10,599 existence of extraterrestrial life that is somewhere out there. We could still find it 586 00:49:10,639 --> 00:49:15,199 within our own solar system, it won't be intelligent as we would call intelligent, 587 00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:19,559 because you know, they're not in the Goldilock zone, you know, 588 00:49:19,599 --> 00:49:27,639 which is that certain distance from the Sun which basically allows life to exist. 589 00:49:28,119 --> 00:49:31,280 You know, if you look at some of the the far out planets for 590 00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:35,840 the moons around them, you know, at places like that that there is 591 00:49:36,159 --> 00:49:43,719 also that question that they could have life out there. Now, you know, 592 00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,400 it's again, I can't see it being intelligent at all, filed to 593 00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:52,199 be honest, But it all comes down too. You know, we only 594 00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,960 have to find it intelligent life on one planet, but that will come from 595 00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:02,039 far away. But all we have to find is life and then it's not 596 00:50:02,199 --> 00:50:07,199 unique to the Earth. So another question here, Chris, that I'd like 597 00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:12,199 to ask you, and I'm sure your listeners would be interested. Do you 598 00:50:12,679 --> 00:50:17,360 believe that there is more behind this? When I say more, okay, 599 00:50:17,519 --> 00:50:23,000 So if the system that we served actually tells the general public that yes, 600 00:50:23,119 --> 00:50:30,840 we do have crashed UFOs UAPs, we are in possession of certain bodies, 601 00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:35,679 you know what. Okay, we can accept that, a lot of people 602 00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:38,920 accept that, but we're told that there's a lot more behind this. The 603 00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:45,280 public will not be able to accept or understand. So you know that is 604 00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,519 kind of like and I know that it came out from certain sources, and 605 00:50:47,559 --> 00:50:51,599 I'm kind of in agreeance with that. What do you think this is? 606 00:50:51,639 --> 00:50:54,159 I mean, it's quite unsettling, isn't it? Is it the appearance of 607 00:50:54,239 --> 00:51:00,880 the visitors? Is it what technology that they have? You know? And 608 00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:07,280 I believe that perhaps it's possible that their technology perhaps runs on free energy. 609 00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:12,199 We've had We've had about zero point energy and all that type of thing about 610 00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:16,000 using the energy from the universe as free energy. We know that Nikola Tesla 611 00:51:16,159 --> 00:51:21,079 was kind of like bordering along those lines with regards to as research and was 612 00:51:21,119 --> 00:51:23,519 shut down. And I know that a lot of corporate companies will be very 613 00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:30,760 you know, you know, absolutely totally against the idea of free energy coming 614 00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:32,679 in because you know, how would you charge people with something that's free? 615 00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:38,599 But what do you think is behind this? This more that they're they're covering 616 00:51:38,679 --> 00:51:42,960 up with regards to this. And I know you probably don't know like I 617 00:51:43,079 --> 00:51:49,800 do, but what is it? This is disconcerting part to this The interesting 618 00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:54,039 point here is that you mentioned Nikola Tesla, Yes, we know passed away 619 00:51:54,079 --> 00:52:00,559 in poverty. But isn't it quite interesting that the US authority when he passed 620 00:52:00,559 --> 00:52:02,519 away, I think it was in the nineteen forties if I remember correctly. 621 00:52:04,199 --> 00:52:08,760 Isn't it quite interesting that they rushed in there and kind of you know, 622 00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:13,719 cleaned his room out for him. They took all his papers and hid them 623 00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:16,599 away. They've got them in their file. You know. It could be 624 00:52:16,639 --> 00:52:22,840 many things. It could be we live in a system that relies on oil 625 00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,920 a hell of a lot, you know, So it could be that they 626 00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:31,800 want to carry on controlling that more than anything. Oh yes, you know, 627 00:52:32,199 --> 00:52:37,280 because and the damage that is doing to the planet. We know, 628 00:52:37,599 --> 00:52:40,760 you know, global warming comes because of oil, et cetera. You know. 629 00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:45,239 So yeah, they could they could be trying to control what we know 630 00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:51,280 and what we laim that way. But I want to mention again because I 631 00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:55,840 think it's kind of tied in with the bodies and crashed vehicles and so on. 632 00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:01,159 The Arrow report that came out just a week ago was only part one. 633 00:53:02,119 --> 00:53:05,159 We knew what they were going to say, as I mentioned at the 634 00:53:05,159 --> 00:53:07,039 beginning, we knew they were going to cover it all up. And the 635 00:53:07,119 --> 00:53:13,400 vast majority of yourthologists globally, you know, I've said it's a crap report. 636 00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:17,719 Basically, it's rubbish. But that report only goes if I may get 637 00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:22,639 the date wrong, it only goes up to the early two thousands. Part 638 00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:29,599 two covers up to twenty twenty three, I believe. So let's see what 639 00:53:29,599 --> 00:53:34,440 they put in part two with what they admit in part two off the report, 640 00:53:34,519 --> 00:53:37,360 which is you to come out a little bit later this year as far 641 00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:43,079 as I'm aware, So you know, let's wait for that before we truly 642 00:53:43,159 --> 00:53:46,159 condemn them. Yes, And you know, the other interesting thing is that 643 00:53:46,199 --> 00:53:51,719 with regards to this so called disclosure, it was very strange, was it 644 00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:55,199 not? When the media was ablaze and the first time ever on the news 645 00:53:55,320 --> 00:54:02,280 channels with regards to saying that they've had some UFO crashes. Do you remember 646 00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:06,920 that Chris coming out and everyone was like, you know, wondering whether or 647 00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,519 not they were these vehicles from another world. And it was very strange. 648 00:54:09,639 --> 00:54:15,119 How and this concerting, I think, especially for the media because they have 649 00:54:15,559 --> 00:54:23,679 never ever entertained the thought of reporting a UFO crash on primetime television, especially 650 00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:28,519 the news. That was very strange, wasn't it. That was very weird? 651 00:54:28,559 --> 00:54:30,880 I mean, you know what do you think was going on there? 652 00:54:30,199 --> 00:54:34,559 Well, let's look, you know, as I mentioned about witnesses a few 653 00:54:34,599 --> 00:54:38,440 moments ago, you know, the witnesses that have come forward like Frever you 654 00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:45,880 know and is associated, they saw and recorded on video or film whatever they 655 00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:52,599 use, digital cameras, whatever they use, they recorded something that was unusual, 656 00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:58,800 you know. But the biggest thing for me was the fact that the 657 00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:04,880 New York Hams, which for decades and decades and decades, you know, 658 00:55:05,039 --> 00:55:09,199 there's called as all tinfoil at wearing lunatics. You know, they add on 659 00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:15,400 their front page the report you know again with Leslie Keane, Ralph Blumertil and 660 00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:21,159 I forget the third lady, the third individual's name who was involved, but 661 00:55:21,679 --> 00:55:24,760 you know that is a big, big step, and you are completely right. 662 00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:29,800 They actually had a lot of this. It was all over the news 663 00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:34,880 for weeks and weeks. Well it would be, you know, because the 664 00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:38,559 news, you know, perhaps they know different, perhaps they really do want 665 00:55:38,599 --> 00:55:43,119 to bring out the truth, you know. You know, I've seen a 666 00:55:43,159 --> 00:55:52,519 recent bit of film where major Jesse Marcel Rosswell, it talks about what happened 667 00:55:52,639 --> 00:55:59,119 at the Rosswell event. Now let's remember that they ushed it up, but 668 00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:08,280 this thing that came down covered twelve Americans football field. It covered twelve American 669 00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:13,679 football fields, according to what was said in the report with Jesse Marcel. 670 00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:20,039 Now, if that's a balloon, it's a bloody big balloon, you know, 671 00:56:20,039 --> 00:56:23,280 if it's a weather balloon whatever, or Project Mogul going up there to 672 00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:28,960 you know, but it's still a massive device. And when we look at 673 00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:34,559 ken the final's report back in you know, nineteen forty seven to twenty fourth 674 00:56:34,519 --> 00:56:37,800 of June, he saw and I'm going to bring this back to the book, 675 00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:44,960 now, he saw two different shapes of craft. One was convex and 676 00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:52,159 the other one, I mean it described them variously as paipon like convex. 677 00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:58,159 You know, it moved like a dishwood if you skimmed it across water. 678 00:56:58,639 --> 00:57:01,159 Flying sauces came up. But the one that he said was different was the 679 00:57:01,199 --> 00:57:05,760 second of the nan. There was nine of them. The second from the 680 00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:09,599 end of the nan as it was flying along, actually had a whole it's 681 00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:15,599 in the craft. So it was kind of like bat wing shaped if you 682 00:57:15,599 --> 00:57:19,880 can imagine that, you know, with a tail coming out and going round 683 00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:23,400 to the wings, and then obviously you get the front Airofoil going forward or 684 00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:27,679 whatever it was that it, you know, but it had a hoole in 685 00:57:27,719 --> 00:57:30,519 the in the craft. Now not many people mentioned that, so the shape 686 00:57:30,519 --> 00:57:38,480 of those were completely different. Now the news people, if you why do 687 00:57:38,599 --> 00:57:46,559 the BBC and the RTV all have even Sky they all have the same reports 688 00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:52,760 daily because there's a panel which they have to go to get permission to show 689 00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:57,639 their reports. So again it comes back down to the government of controlling this. 690 00:57:59,559 --> 00:58:01,199 You know, very slowly, we're coming to the end of the show 691 00:58:01,239 --> 00:58:06,239 and I have to say that it's been an absolutely amazing talk with you, 692 00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:10,039 Chris. I mean what I love about your thoughts on the matter. They 693 00:58:10,159 --> 00:58:15,320 are fact as they stand. They are not theoretical. Their fact. We 694 00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:21,880 know that UFOs and ups exist and the history of them that you've acknowledged within 695 00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:27,360 your book, the shape of things to come from elsewhere is absolutely amazing. 696 00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:30,960 I love your your the way that you describe the events. I love the 697 00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:36,159 way that you also bring about these different shapes of UFOs. And you know, 698 00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:40,079 it's all very well for an ardent europologist or someone you know remotely interested 699 00:58:40,079 --> 00:58:46,000 in UFOs to oh, look, there's the triangles, there's the circles, 700 00:58:46,039 --> 00:58:50,440 but no one's ever like yourself thought about Well, hang on a minute, 701 00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:52,920 you know, you know, where are we dealing with one of the same 702 00:58:53,079 --> 00:58:57,840 look at the structures of these crafts and look how important they are, and 703 00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:02,360 also analyzing them against our own technology. But also you're bringing the past into 704 00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:07,840 this to show well, it couldn't be our stuff because this was happening way 705 00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:10,480 back in the day, centies before. So I think, you know, 706 00:59:10,519 --> 00:59:15,960 the way that you've conducted your research and shaped your book, excuse the punt 707 00:59:16,159 --> 00:59:21,039 the shape of things to come from elsewhere is really very fascinating. And you 708 00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:25,760 had a eupologist, Peter Robbins right the forward, and he's very much in 709 00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:29,880 the know with a lot of people. He's had a lot of connections, 710 00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:32,280 isn't he, Not just with some of the astronauts, but also with many 711 00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:37,840 other key figures, Bud Hopkins most notably, and many others. So I 712 00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:42,480 think that the way that your book comes about is really beautiful because it's just 713 00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:49,239 it's literally about the crafts themselves, which is wonderful. So tell us a 714 00:59:49,239 --> 00:59:52,000 little bit about that. Okay, Well, the book I really started it 715 00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:57,719 as a kind of refresher for myself because as I mentioned right at the beginning, 716 00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:00,280 I've missed a few years here and there, so I wanted to increased 717 01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:04,280 my knowledge, my head knowledge a little bit more. And as I got 718 01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:07,000 writing it, and I think all in all, this is something like sixty 719 01:00:07,039 --> 01:00:13,199 five to seventy different cases mentioned in there, some going back to the you 720 01:00:13,239 --> 01:00:15,800 know, two thousand years ago, but some only going back to the end 721 01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:21,320 of twenty twenty two, because I actually finished writing the publication of the book 722 01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:27,440 in March about a year ago actually, and you know, that's as far 723 01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:32,159 as I went. But I quote one particular group in the United States, 724 01:00:32,199 --> 01:00:38,920 which is NEWFOK, the National UFO Reporting Center, which is only one organization 725 01:00:39,159 --> 01:00:44,960 in the US, one organization globally, and I can't remember the exact number, 726 01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:51,119 but it's well of one hundred and forty thousand different cases reported to them 727 01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:57,119 over there up to November twenty twenty two existence. So that was that was 728 01:00:57,239 --> 01:01:02,800 forty seven years of existence. Now the book itself, I didn't I didn't 729 01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:07,360 want to go country by country because I just thought that, you know, 730 01:01:07,039 --> 01:01:10,400 I just wanted to set out, for example, at the beginning, the 731 01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:15,920 flying crosses that were saying the different shapes. Some of it like plus sand 732 01:01:16,239 --> 01:01:21,840 shaped crosses. Others are like the flying cross in the Cross of Lorraine, 733 01:01:22,119 --> 01:01:25,480 which is a standard across that Jesus was said to have died on with an 734 01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:30,199 extra beam across the top, so it's got two beams and one damwaruld be 735 01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:37,239 you know. So all those are mentioned. I talk about the adventure on 736 01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:40,119 Iceland, which I mentioned a few moments ago. I talked about, you 737 01:01:40,159 --> 01:01:45,440 know what the future could possibly hold. But the one thing that they have 738 01:01:45,559 --> 01:01:50,199 to do globally is they have to get off the backsides. They have to 739 01:01:50,239 --> 01:01:54,239 tell the truth, and they have to admit that something is visiting the planet. 740 01:01:54,559 --> 01:01:59,880 Whether or not they will do that phil is a completely different question altogether. 741 01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:05,639 But I think we know as investigators, as researchers, there is more 742 01:02:06,039 --> 01:02:09,679 than enough evidence to prove that there is NATA. Made me laugh last year 743 01:02:10,039 --> 01:02:15,599 when they said, sorry, we cannot put a point out about this because 744 01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:20,480 we do not have the evidence. You know, they have the evidence at 745 01:02:20,559 --> 01:02:24,000 least going back to nineteen forty seven, so you know, get off the 746 01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:29,239 backside, look at the evidence, talk to people, Talk to the real 747 01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:34,239 people that are on the ground level who see these things. Perhaps we'll get 748 01:02:34,559 --> 01:02:37,199 the answer to what really is coming, you know, the shape of Things 749 01:02:37,199 --> 01:02:40,239 to Come and where they're coming from. And I totally agree with you. 750 01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:44,679 I think that you know, all of us are passionate for our truths, 751 01:02:44,719 --> 01:02:49,719 although we have our different ideas about them. They can actually bring about this 752 01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:54,199 evidence and clear this all up once and for all, and I think all 753 01:02:54,239 --> 01:03:00,760 of us will be, you know, absolutely incredulous and not surprised because I 754 01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:05,239 think most of us know what really is is going on. Now. I 755 01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:08,400 have to say to your listeners out there, you have to go out and 756 01:03:08,559 --> 01:03:14,719 buy a copy of the Shape of Things to Come from Elsewhere by Chris Evers 757 01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:20,800 and The Ford by the wonderful Peter Robbins, published by Philip Mantle's Flying Disc 758 01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:24,440 Press. And the book is beautiful. It's a really big book, you 759 01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:29,119 know, got wonderful illustrations in it, photographs in it. It's wonderful. 760 01:03:29,119 --> 01:03:30,840 I love it, so, you know, just go out and get it. 761 01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:37,199 It's available on kindle, as paperback, as hardback and audio. Is 762 01:03:37,239 --> 01:03:39,000 it on audio? It's not on audio as yet. No, we haven't 763 01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:43,440 actually had it done as audio. They can if they want to go along 764 01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:51,599 to www dot l M hyphen mag mag dot co dot UK. All the 765 01:03:51,639 --> 01:03:53,559 details are on there of how to get the book, and there's I think 766 01:03:53,559 --> 01:03:57,760 there's a link on there as well which takes you straight to Amazon. If 767 01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:01,039 they want to go straight to Amazon, the can do just putting Chris Evers' 768 01:04:01,119 --> 01:04:03,719 book and it'll bring it up for you. Yes, and you have a 769 01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:06,639 conference coming up? Do you want to tell them about your conference? Oh? 770 01:04:06,719 --> 01:04:13,199 Yes, the fourteenth of September twenty twenty four. We've got a major 771 01:04:13,239 --> 01:04:17,199 conference coming up in the whole area and we have Peter Robbins coming over once 772 01:04:17,239 --> 01:04:23,920 again from the United States. We have Steve Aspin talking, who's a generational 773 01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:30,000 abductee, and also we have Jason Gleaves, who's well known XT hour ref 774 01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:34,760 as a photo analyst. We have Grahem Rendall coming along, and we have 775 01:04:35,159 --> 01:04:40,639 myself maybe doing a little bit, and I can't remember. There's another person 776 01:04:40,679 --> 01:04:43,920 who's name, that's it Paul Askoff. He'll be coming along and talking as 777 01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:47,719 well. All very well received at previous events. And again, if you 778 01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:50,880 want to look on the website which I mentioned a few moments ago, you 779 01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:56,199 can find out op to purchase tickets there. Tickets are priced at fifteen pounds 780 01:04:56,199 --> 01:05:00,920 for a magazine subscriber and twenty pound for a non magazine subscriber. So a 781 01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:05,719 full day's event does open at nine and we're finished at six thirty pm on 782 01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:12,000 that particular day, fourteenth of September twenty twenty four here at the whole university. 783 01:05:12,719 --> 01:05:15,039 Well, that's wonderful under all success with that, I know we've been 784 01:05:15,119 --> 01:05:19,360 to yours before. They've been wonderful, and it's just the atmosphere of being 785 01:05:19,679 --> 01:05:25,840 among like minded individuals. It's so wonderful. And I think you bringing all 786 01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:30,519 these people together, you have to be credited for the work and dedication and 787 01:05:30,599 --> 01:05:35,199 research that you've put into your creation OLM out of limits magazine and of the 788 01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:40,639 conferences and of for you know, your your magazine with all the wonderful articles 789 01:05:40,679 --> 01:05:45,519 in there. And I always say you always remember those who started you off, 790 01:05:45,559 --> 01:05:49,039 and you were one of the good souls that took some of my work 791 01:05:49,079 --> 01:05:54,199 and had started publishing it within your wonderful magazine. So the shape, well, 792 01:05:54,239 --> 01:05:57,079 i'd like just before we finished, Phil, I'd like to make you 793 01:05:57,119 --> 01:06:03,320 an offer now in that the next coming out I have from LM on June 794 01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:10,000 the first will be the fiftieth issue. I'm inviting you now to get an 795 01:06:10,079 --> 01:06:14,440 article into me to go out on that issue. So you need to get 796 01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:18,079 it to me by the twenty first of me twenty twenty four. I'm sure 797 01:06:18,159 --> 01:06:21,840 that can be achieved. Chris. Thank you so much. And that's enough 798 01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:25,920 for you. Can't refuse, isn't it. So thank you. I'll send 799 01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:31,719 the lad round. But thank you so much. Chris on board. Really 800 01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:38,519 wonderful and a really in depth, you know, conversation about this subject matter, 801 01:06:38,599 --> 01:06:41,800 really you know, getting in your teeth into it, which is what 802 01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:45,320 this is all about. And I love the rawness. I love the whole 803 01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:48,840 nature of just looking at the nuts and bolt syndrome with regards to the phenomena 804 01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:53,360 which you have been doing. So the shape of things to come from elsewhere. 805 01:06:53,639 --> 01:06:57,960 Chris evis the author Forward by Peter Robbins, published by Flying Dispress, 806 01:06:58,159 --> 01:07:02,360 available on Amazon and go and get your tickets and also look at Chris's website 807 01:07:02,559 --> 01:07:08,159 get your tickets also for the OLM event and also for his wonderful magazine, 808 01:07:08,559 --> 01:07:12,639 and of course of which the fiftieth anniversary is coming up very soon. So 809 01:07:12,679 --> 01:07:15,920 thank you very much, indeed, Chris for coming on board. My pleasure, 810 01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:18,559 Philip, thank you very very much for the invite, and no doubt 811 01:07:18,599 --> 01:07:21,800 we'll speak again very soon. We will, indeed, sir, and you've 812 01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:27,159 been listening to Twin Souls, your host Philip Kinsella in association with the pow 813 01:07:27,239 --> 01:07:33,199 Normal UK Radio network and our esteemed guest Chris Evers, author and organizer and 814 01:07:33,320 --> 01:08:06,840 researcher within the subject matter of yourpology. Stay safe,