WEBVTT 1 00:00:27.760 --> 00:00:31.199 Hello, and welcome to the show. This is actually Part B with Kevin 2 00:00:31.320 --> 00:00:38.479 Day again at the Ozark Mountain UFO conference. By the way, I just 3 00:00:38.600 --> 00:00:42.960 highly recommend it was such a beautiful area and had such a great time. 4 00:00:43.359 --> 00:00:48.399 So without further ado, I'm just going to run this interview I did with 5 00:00:48.479 --> 00:00:52.799 Kevin. Here we go, Kevin Day, how are you glad to have 6 00:00:52.840 --> 00:00:56.439 you again? I'm very happy to be here. I truly am. Yeah, 7 00:00:56.799 --> 00:00:58.640 you know, it wasn't easy getting here. I have to tell you. 8 00:00:58.759 --> 00:01:00.719 Yeah, I got to know you. You got stuck the plane. 9 00:01:02.079 --> 00:01:04.519 Yeah, we had to dboard the plane in Phoenix and hydraulic leak on the 10 00:01:04.560 --> 00:01:08.040 line and oh gee, that's a whole nother story. Yeah, but you 11 00:01:08.120 --> 00:01:12.239 made it. You made it. Yeah. Yeah. So you and I 12 00:01:12.319 --> 00:01:17.280 go way back, y, I talked way back when the Nimits was first 13 00:01:17.280 --> 00:01:19.120 talked about the Nimts of Tiktak incident, whatever you want to call it. 14 00:01:21.319 --> 00:01:26.159 You I had Robert Powell was on my show and you wrote a comment and 15 00:01:26.480 --> 00:01:32.120 you two he verified who you were, and the whole thing blew up from 16 00:01:32.120 --> 00:01:34.439 there. And look at all that's happened since then. But you've been on 17 00:01:34.519 --> 00:01:40.200 all types of media and I got to tell you, so I didn't ask 18 00:01:40.280 --> 00:01:44.799 for this, Yeah, in no way. Yeah, I'm just as astoundished 19 00:01:44.840 --> 00:01:49.640 as anyone else. I remember, now there's a lot of people that are 20 00:01:49.879 --> 00:01:52.799 kind of new to this, so we'll have to just do nutshells of here 21 00:01:52.840 --> 00:01:57.159 and there to sure. But but I remember you telling me that you were 22 00:01:57.200 --> 00:02:00.040 working at a golf course and you saw some thing on the TV. Is 23 00:02:00.040 --> 00:02:04.840 that right? That is correct? Yeah? Yeah? Can I tell the 24 00:02:04.840 --> 00:02:08.080 whole story so people, yeah, sort of provide some bookends to this whole 25 00:02:08.120 --> 00:02:13.159 thing. Yep. For me, this story actually begins in nineteen eighty eight. 26 00:02:13.520 --> 00:02:20.439 Mm. And I'm gonna get emotional. I know that already. Yep. 27 00:02:21.360 --> 00:02:28.159 MM. When tick Yak happened, it was my last time on the 28 00:02:28.240 --> 00:02:31.080 ship in uniform. I was getting ready to retire. Oh yeah. When 29 00:02:31.080 --> 00:02:36.360 the ship pulled back into San Diego, I was transferring and I was a 30 00:02:36.599 --> 00:02:38.759 the senior grader on the ship for the Stract group for Air Defense, and 31 00:02:38.960 --> 00:02:42.560 the the rest of the track group was getting ready to go on the PLIMT 32 00:02:42.800 --> 00:02:46.599 And this was our last check in the block, if you will. And 33 00:02:46.639 --> 00:02:49.319 we had done months of planning for this. Ad X who call it air 34 00:02:49.360 --> 00:02:59.120 defense exercise, and you know that's when it happened. It was it was 35 00:02:59.199 --> 00:03:02.199 just bizarre, uh to put to put it lightly. And one of the 36 00:03:02.240 --> 00:03:09.080 reasons why I think I saw them, if you will, I don't know. 37 00:03:09.120 --> 00:03:13.919 I I it's hard to it sounds crazy to say these things. It 38 00:03:13.919 --> 00:03:16.240 really does, and for viewers or listen, I totally get it. I 39 00:03:16.360 --> 00:03:20.520 was the same way for a long time. I if I would have been 40 00:03:20.520 --> 00:03:25.800 speaking like this during my military career, I woulda looked at him that person 41 00:03:27.159 --> 00:03:31.400 like people looked at me like I had been doing drugs or had gone crazy 42 00:03:31.960 --> 00:03:36.879 or whatever. And it was really hard, really hard, cause I wasn't 43 00:03:36.960 --> 00:03:40.080 d any of those things. You know, I was just doing my job. 44 00:03:42.199 --> 00:03:45.039 We have a safe we have a flight safety risk off the coast, 45 00:03:45.039 --> 00:03:49.080 and no one we got clowned. No one would believe us. W There 46 00:03:49.120 --> 00:03:53.560 was cartoons in that in the newspapers in Strike Group uh N clowning all of 47 00:03:53.599 --> 00:03:59.120 us. Sure, you guys intercepted UFOs and every time that's all anyone heard 48 00:03:59.240 --> 00:04:00.879 was a word ufo. Oh, they didn't hear anything about flight safety. 49 00:04:01.560 --> 00:04:06.439 And that really pissed me off. You know why, because my first deployment, 50 00:04:06.560 --> 00:04:11.080 the first time I was on a ship nineteen eighty eight, my first 51 00:04:11.159 --> 00:04:16.279 deployment USS Vincen's July third, nineteen eighty eight. And now some of your 52 00:04:16.519 --> 00:04:21.920 viewers and listeners might remember this. We're in the Persian Gulf the name of 53 00:04:21.920 --> 00:04:30.600 it at the time, and our helicopter straight over Iranian International waters, and 54 00:04:30.079 --> 00:04:33.519 rightfully, so you know, they responded, and I I'm not sure really 55 00:04:33.560 --> 00:04:38.439 exactly what provoked them to fire, but they did. They've started firing at 56 00:04:38.480 --> 00:04:44.680 our helicopter. So we went to general quarters and they started coming at us. 57 00:04:45.439 --> 00:04:48.439 So we engaged them, and we ended up sinking uh eight of the 58 00:04:48.439 --> 00:04:53.879 ball camers, I believe, and I think that's eight or nine of'em. 59 00:04:53.920 --> 00:04:56.639 And it was a day at sea. No one would ever forget, 60 00:04:56.800 --> 00:05:00.040 trust me. Mm I mean, can you imagine, like we were the 61 00:05:00.040 --> 00:05:02.800 the the the bridge crews up there trying to get our heg go back on 62 00:05:02.879 --> 00:05:09.800 board as they're spinning and dodging these m matt as held boats coming at us. 63 00:05:09.959 --> 00:05:13.000 Geez. Yeah, it was a real real shit, no deal, 64 00:05:13.720 --> 00:05:15.519 and right during that time, and you know, I was a junior guy. 65 00:05:15.560 --> 00:05:18.800 I had had nothing to at all to do with air defense. My 66 00:05:18.879 --> 00:05:23.279 first deployment, I was as close as I am to you right now, 67 00:05:23.360 --> 00:05:29.680 that camera right there doing a n N non involved navigation function, which was 68 00:05:29.720 --> 00:05:33.279 it the early version of what we called JOTS, a Joint Operation Tactical system 69 00:05:33.360 --> 00:05:39.040 really a a big navigation system network system. So we're all sharing the same 70 00:05:39.079 --> 00:05:43.319 grid. And that was my job, and we went to general quarters. 71 00:05:43.319 --> 00:05:47.160 Happened to be on watch Captain comes down. Things got pretty nasty quick, 72 00:05:48.120 --> 00:05:55.199 and all of a sudden, another air an air aircraft launched out of Iran 73 00:05:55.399 --> 00:06:00.000 and started coming directly at US. And about a year before the USS st 74 00:06:00.079 --> 00:06:06.439 ARC got hit by Irenian F one shot a Exosset missile and killed thirty seven 75 00:06:06.680 --> 00:06:12.199 US sailors. Remember, yeah, and this was a July third, nineteen 76 00:06:12.240 --> 00:06:15.279 eighty eight, and the next day was or a national holiday, July fourth, 77 00:06:15.480 --> 00:06:18.079 So you know, I wasn't an intel, but it's not really hard 78 00:06:18.079 --> 00:06:20.839 to figure out. You know, that's probably a key date to keep your 79 00:06:20.879 --> 00:06:25.040 eyes open, right MM and that's when this thing launched and all all this 80 00:06:25.199 --> 00:06:30.480 was going on, and during that day it so go figure right, and 81 00:06:30.079 --> 00:06:48.639 there was confusing identification coming back and unfortunately shot down a commercial airliner MM two 82 00:06:48.680 --> 00:06:58.240 hundred and ninety six people. Oh wow, mm jeez, I know that's 83 00:06:58.240 --> 00:07:04.040 why I'm here right now. Yeah, my whole career. That that's what 84 00:07:04.120 --> 00:07:08.720 kept me in the navy, almost got out. That was one of my 85 00:07:08.759 --> 00:07:14.120 best friends in college was Iranians. We used to take martial arts classes together. 86 00:07:14.839 --> 00:07:18.240 Really really good people. You know. I know it's gonna shock a 87 00:07:18.240 --> 00:07:24.360 lot of folks hearing this, but there's good people there. Of course, 88 00:07:25.000 --> 00:07:29.600 he really is. You know, I've been to Russia a number of times 89 00:07:29.800 --> 00:07:32.800 and you know, I'm just making you know. You can think everyone in 90 00:07:32.879 --> 00:07:38.519 Russia is like Putin, but when you meet them, there's a saying it's 91 00:07:38.560 --> 00:07:42.279 hard to hate up close. And I think it might have been Michelle Obama 92 00:07:42.360 --> 00:07:46.680 or someone I don't know who's who said it. But anyway, when you 93 00:07:46.720 --> 00:07:51.199 get to know people, you know one on one, there's beautiful people everywhere, 94 00:07:51.279 --> 00:07:56.240 no matter where they're from. Well, and what the religion is, 95 00:07:56.560 --> 00:08:01.439 and it's what you know, the maybe the control of the UH population is 96 00:08:01.480 --> 00:08:05.720 that turns people into doing the things they do. I don't know. I 97 00:08:05.759 --> 00:08:09.759 don't know either, mm I I know we can fix it, I hope. 98 00:08:09.800 --> 00:08:13.480 So yeah, we cann to mess nout right. Yeah. Yeah, 99 00:08:13.519 --> 00:08:18.839 So I'm glad I got through that part of it. During my whole career, 100 00:08:18.879 --> 00:08:24.839 I was, Oh, I was pretty vigilant about calm air he could 101 00:08:24.120 --> 00:08:28.360 to say the least, you know, I was. I was mother. 102 00:08:28.600 --> 00:08:31.559 I mothered the com air lines in lanes. You know, ny you can 103 00:08:31.639 --> 00:08:35.440 ask anyone I saw if he'll tell you the same thing. And for good 104 00:08:35.440 --> 00:08:39.360 reason. I had good, good reason to do that, you know. 105 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:43.440 Yeah. So going back to the you know, the present in two thousand 106 00:08:43.440 --> 00:08:46.679 four, you know, it was many years later. Of course, my 107 00:08:46.759 --> 00:08:50.759 last I was up. I just happened to be up in combat or he 108 00:08:50.879 --> 00:08:54.480 was up there any anyway a lot during my off watch hours because I would 109 00:08:54.480 --> 00:08:58.000 just be up there was a g you know where else you're gonna go on 110 00:08:58.039 --> 00:09:01.759 a small ship, right and and uh it was either there up in the 111 00:09:01.799 --> 00:09:07.200 operation's office up up above and I was up in uh combat comm Combat Information 112 00:09:07.279 --> 00:09:09.799 center, see I see, we just called it combat for short. And 113 00:09:11.399 --> 00:09:15.759 I was looking at the radar that we saw these objects coming from the suburb 114 00:09:15.960 --> 00:09:20.799 orbit or not s uh s lower space if you will, eighty thousand feet. 115 00:09:20.840 --> 00:09:24.559 I won't reveal the actual altitudes and stuff, but there were They came 116 00:09:24.600 --> 00:09:31.639 in groups of five to ten at a time, and then just like that, 117 00:09:31.639 --> 00:09:33.799 that fast, they would come down as a group up and set station 118 00:09:33.879 --> 00:09:39.360 off the coast at Catalian Island twenty eight thousand feet and they would sit there 119 00:09:39.399 --> 00:09:43.919 for a time, and then one by one, one by one, they 120 00:09:43.919 --> 00:09:48.759 would traverse our whiskey two ninety one, which of their operating area off the 121 00:09:48.799 --> 00:09:52.559 coast of San Diego, and they would leave Catalia Island and they would go 122 00:09:52.600 --> 00:09:56.480 all the way down to an island called Guadelupe Island off the coast to Mexico. 123 00:09:58.279 --> 00:10:01.320 And I thought it they were there to observed the whales, the grey 124 00:10:01.360 --> 00:10:05.440 whales, cause gray wells migrate this in and there probably is a connection by 125 00:10:05.440 --> 00:10:11.039 the way, and I thought they were here to say hi to the whales. 126 00:10:11.759 --> 00:10:13.720 I just had this overwhelming feeling, huh. But deep inside me, 127 00:10:13.720 --> 00:10:18.440 I knew they weren't hostile, no way. Anyone you talked to that was 128 00:10:18.480 --> 00:10:22.000 actually there, up close and personal, like you just had said, you 129 00:10:22.039 --> 00:10:26.120 won't find hate in them. That this was the most benevolent thing I've ever 130 00:10:26.159 --> 00:10:35.519 experienced. HM. It was a feeling of benevolent Say loved us, HM, 131 00:10:35.559 --> 00:10:43.559 if you will, And it was it was sobering WW to say the 132 00:10:43.639 --> 00:10:52.840 least, and so additional aircraft launched. We Captain come down to combat were 133 00:10:52.879 --> 00:10:54.960 cause we were gonna do it our big exercise. The reason, one of 134 00:10:56.000 --> 00:10:58.519 the reasons why we went out there was to an air defense exercise, cause 135 00:10:58.519 --> 00:11:01.960 we were the you know, the whole purpose of going over there as a 136 00:11:03.039 --> 00:11:05.799 stract group is you know, to defend, and that d definitely involves air 137 00:11:05.840 --> 00:11:11.399 defense, right, And we had done a I had planned a big, 138 00:11:11.440 --> 00:11:13.720 huge exercise. It had been briefed it for months and planned it for months 139 00:11:13.919 --> 00:11:18.720 literally. And the way stract group air defense works is if this is the 140 00:11:18.759 --> 00:11:22.320 aircraft carrier, and this was a this direction is a notional threat. Right. 141 00:11:22.399 --> 00:11:26.200 We put stations in the sky in the way we called them combat air 142 00:11:26.240 --> 00:11:30.399 patrol stations. I don't know if I'm going off your camera view or not. 143 00:11:31.320 --> 00:11:35.399 And everyone that launches knows where they're going already. It's secret, you 144 00:11:35.480 --> 00:11:37.960 know, we don't we don't tell the newspaper about any of this, of 145 00:11:39.039 --> 00:11:45.080 course, you know, it's classified. And so we I pulled the cap'n 146 00:11:45.159 --> 00:11:48.080 down. He come down to combat Captain Smith and I said, hey, 147 00:11:48.159 --> 00:11:50.600 sir, you know, we've been tracking these things for a week a week 148 00:11:50.679 --> 00:11:58.679 now and at that time, we probably had track maybe s right around eighty 149 00:11:58.759 --> 00:12:03.360 or so. These successive groups coming down and going through our operating area. 150 00:12:03.559 --> 00:12:07.080 Would you think go ahead, I'm sorry. Would you think that you could 151 00:12:07.200 --> 00:12:13.440 comfortably say that there were about eighty total or it could have been repetitiously counted. 152 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:18.600 No, there was a hundred total. You think there was about a 153 00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:22.039 hundred? Yeah? Yeah. And the interesting thing is they all came down 154 00:12:22.039 --> 00:12:26.639 from space right off cattle in it and they all disappeared at exactly the same 155 00:12:26.720 --> 00:12:31.559 spot in the sky, about sixty miles north of go out of a Loupe 156 00:12:31.639 --> 00:12:35.440 Island. And according to the fishermen that were interviewed by lou Alazano when he 157 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:39.360 went out there after I told him his story because apparently to them they were 158 00:12:39.600 --> 00:12:43.039 their attitude was like, good guys, about someone came out here and paid 159 00:12:43.039 --> 00:12:46.519 attention to this. We've been talking about this for a long, long long 160 00:12:46.559 --> 00:12:50.279 time. Duh. Right, Apparently these things dropped. It went straight down 161 00:12:50.360 --> 00:12:54.960 into the water. Really wow, I wouldn't die. I wasn't there. 162 00:12:54.960 --> 00:12:58.000 I don't know if that's true, but that's what I'm hearing. Yeah, 163 00:12:58.039 --> 00:13:01.919 And so anyway, uh, we suspended training and cause I convinced Capta Smith. 164 00:13:03.000 --> 00:13:07.080 Hey, sir, I'm I'm gravely concerned here because if we launch and 165 00:13:07.120 --> 00:13:11.039 I take control and I end up pitting one of these bad boys, someone's 166 00:13:11.080 --> 00:13:16.200 gonna ask you, sir, and me why we were so damn and curious. 167 00:13:16.799 --> 00:13:20.679 Hm, right, yeah, so he says, he looks at me. 168 00:13:20.720 --> 00:13:24.480 He says, you're right, Singer Chief intercepting VID. The whole airside 169 00:13:24.559 --> 00:13:28.480 was like, yeah, we I mean we we can't. We know you 170 00:13:28.480 --> 00:13:30.480 don't do that on the ship, right, But I could see it in 171 00:13:30.519 --> 00:13:33.639 every one's eyes cause everyone wanted to intercept these things really badly. Right, 172 00:13:33.879 --> 00:13:35.759 yeah, so we think. So we took control a fast egal it was 173 00:13:35.879 --> 00:13:39.720 Commander Favor, and drove him to the nearest object he gets in the same 174 00:13:39.799 --> 00:13:43.360 vertical piece of sky. On a radar display, it looks like one there, 175 00:13:45.440 --> 00:13:48.519 looks like one you can you you know, in the two D display, 176 00:13:48.559 --> 00:13:50.159 it looks like one spot in the sky now like a merge. And 177 00:13:50.279 --> 00:13:54.840 we don't look at raw radar. Everything has symbology assigned to it, like 178 00:13:54.919 --> 00:14:00.440 friendly's one shape, Unknown's another shape, hustles another shape, and error has 179 00:14:00.480 --> 00:14:03.559 one shape, surface has one shape, subsurface has another shape. Hm. 180 00:14:03.600 --> 00:14:07.480 They may even have space shapes. I don't know. It's been in many, 181 00:14:07.480 --> 00:14:09.600 many years. Anyway. Anyway, we take control and I was the 182 00:14:09.679 --> 00:14:15.360 supervisor and my junior controller, who, by the way, is finally come 183 00:14:15.399 --> 00:14:20.759 in public. I won't mention the name YEP, because out of respect for 184 00:14:20.240 --> 00:14:26.120 them. And there's another officer on the ship's also come in public about this 185 00:14:26.240 --> 00:14:30.080 finally good Yeah, that, and I'm not gonna reveal names here. I've 186 00:14:30.120 --> 00:14:31.720 never I've never have, and I never will. Yeah. So anyway, 187 00:14:31.759 --> 00:14:35.039 we take control of fast Egal, drive him to the closest object. He 188 00:14:35.080 --> 00:14:39.799 gets in the merged plot position and bah right, then this object, whatever 189 00:14:39.879 --> 00:14:43.720 the heck it was, drops from twenty thousand feet and that's that's his altitude. 190 00:14:43.720 --> 00:14:46.440 I remember twenty eight for some reason, but I'm gonna we'll go with 191 00:14:46.480 --> 00:14:52.039 his number, right cause he was right there and that thing drops from And 192 00:14:52.039 --> 00:14:56.360 you gotta remember who this was. This guy was Billy Badass in a jet, 193 00:14:56.440 --> 00:14:58.759 right, Yeah, yeah, he was very good at what he did. 194 00:14:58.360 --> 00:15:05.200 This thing drop two in point seven eight seconds m and set station about 195 00:15:05.240 --> 00:15:09.720 fifty feet above the water. So he goes chasing down. He leaves Alex 196 00:15:09.759 --> 00:15:13.480 Dietrich cup high. He goes chasing it down and he goes down and down 197 00:15:13.519 --> 00:15:16.919 and down, and this thing recognizes him. Yeah, and he does a 198 00:15:16.919 --> 00:15:20.120 dogfight. You should have heard him on the radio, and he brought protocol. 199 00:15:20.120 --> 00:15:24.200 We normally you don't hear this kind of thing on a tactical radio system, 200 00:15:24.240 --> 00:15:26.200 right. He was like, oh my god, Oh my god, 201 00:15:26.200 --> 00:15:30.000 I'm engaged, I'm engauged. Wow, you gotta remember who this is. 202 00:15:30.279 --> 00:15:37.600 Yeah, top gun, badass, right, Bennan Combat you know, yeah, 203 00:15:37.720 --> 00:15:41.000 the best of the best saying this on the radio, and we are 204 00:15:41.039 --> 00:15:45.919 all just shocked. And according to him, and we saw it on radar, 205 00:15:46.360 --> 00:15:50.879 it disappeared right in front of him. M those are his words. 206 00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:54.559 Yeah, And you know what happened. I was I wasn't actually looking at 207 00:15:54.600 --> 00:15:56.200 the radar, was up at the front table, looking at the large screen 208 00:15:56.240 --> 00:16:00.600 to plays and working with the front table, trying to keep notes of this 209 00:16:00.639 --> 00:16:04.840 whole thing. And I hear on the radio all of a sudden, the 210 00:16:04.879 --> 00:16:10.080 air controller says, and he broke protocol to because we were so shocked, 211 00:16:10.080 --> 00:16:12.639 he said, sir, you're not gonna believe this, but that thing is 212 00:16:12.679 --> 00:16:18.960 now at your cap station. Let that sink in for a minute. Remember 213 00:16:18.960 --> 00:16:22.120 how I described there's a several different cap stations, Like somehow it knew where 214 00:16:22.159 --> 00:16:26.840 his assigned cap station was. Yeah, that's so bizarre, it is. 215 00:16:26.240 --> 00:16:33.120 Yeah, And for years I struggled with that, and I finally realized it 216 00:16:33.159 --> 00:16:41.639 was a message. They knew our intentions. H Yeah. And I finally 217 00:16:41.720 --> 00:16:47.080 had the epiphany when we were standing on that rooftop in SoCal doing the movie. 218 00:16:47.840 --> 00:16:55.919 Are tearing this guy, Caroline Corey, very beautiful person, respect her, 219 00:16:56.000 --> 00:17:02.000 Like you can't believe we have all this gear from David Mason set up 220 00:17:02.159 --> 00:17:06.160 you know, you name it. It was up there. What a brilliant 221 00:17:06.160 --> 00:17:08.039 man that is too, by the way, just so you know, and 222 00:17:08.200 --> 00:17:11.359 I mean there was stuff up there. I had no idea even what it 223 00:17:11.400 --> 00:17:15.559 did. And does you know it had a lot that had to be explained 224 00:17:15.559 --> 00:17:18.400 to me. Yeah, but I immediately got it, you know, even 225 00:17:18.400 --> 00:17:22.119 though I couldn't operate it. And guess what happened. We didn't know that 226 00:17:22.279 --> 00:17:26.559 anything was going to happen. We were just with her on a whim essentially, 227 00:17:26.599 --> 00:17:29.319 but we you know, went there in the right time of year and 228 00:17:29.319 --> 00:17:33.480 all that stuff based on my recommendation, and guess what happened? They showed 229 00:17:33.599 --> 00:17:37.279 up. Yeah, yeah, I watched I watched the movie. Yeah. 230 00:17:37.359 --> 00:17:42.200 Yeah, and I've had a radar. We yeah, we all kinds of 231 00:17:42.200 --> 00:17:48.680 equipment. They recorded six hundred hours of data and there are still papers being 232 00:17:49.079 --> 00:17:56.279 academic review process that are about to come out. I hope. And so 233 00:17:56.359 --> 00:18:00.599 I figured out Matthew's I dog is these a quantum physicist out of New York 234 00:18:00.759 --> 00:18:03.720 University, right, And he walks up to me and says, hey, 235 00:18:03.759 --> 00:18:06.759 keV, I got a question for you. I said, what's that? 236 00:18:06.839 --> 00:18:10.359 SI says, do you think that an intention has anything to do with this? 237 00:18:11.000 --> 00:18:15.240 Hm? And I looked at him. I said, wow, yeah 238 00:18:15.279 --> 00:18:18.960 it could. Yeah, that's why this thing went to the cap station, 239 00:18:18.079 --> 00:18:23.839 isn't it. Hm? Yeah, it wanted to give me the message mm 240 00:18:23.920 --> 00:18:29.000 or got I h I just said the word me, and I don't mean 241 00:18:29.039 --> 00:18:30.880 it that way. I know what you mean. Yeah, yeah, but 242 00:18:32.240 --> 00:18:36.319 yeah, I was in I was wearing those shoes, okay. Yeah. 243 00:18:36.440 --> 00:18:42.240 And and I I if finally f figured out what that has to be. 244 00:18:44.519 --> 00:18:47.079 And it makes a lot of sense if you think about this. Let me 245 00:18:47.160 --> 00:18:48.720 run you through my logic on this. And this might be brand new for 246 00:18:48.759 --> 00:18:52.400 a lot of people. I'm even telling physicists about this and it's the first 247 00:18:52.440 --> 00:18:57.279 time they've ever heard it, if you can believe that. And we heard 248 00:18:57.359 --> 00:19:03.559 Nick Pope yesterday talk about, uh, the Big Bang, and now there's 249 00:19:03.599 --> 00:19:08.359 an alternate theory, the steady state. Right, But it doesn't matter according 250 00:19:08.359 --> 00:19:12.000 to m my questions I'm about to ask you, it doesn't matter in any 251 00:19:12.039 --> 00:19:15.119 case, in the case that it was a big big bang or in the 252 00:19:15.160 --> 00:19:21.039 case of a steady state. I have a question, was it intentional or 253 00:19:21.119 --> 00:19:26.839 unintentional? Hum? I don't know either, Yeah, and no one does, 254 00:19:26.920 --> 00:19:30.000 right, So we have to assign it fifty to fifty statistically, right, 255 00:19:30.079 --> 00:19:33.240 Mm. It's an unknown unknowable right, Well, it's fifty to fifty. 256 00:19:36.039 --> 00:19:41.079 Someone's looking in So so let's go from there. Let's let's say, 257 00:19:41.160 --> 00:19:47.680 yeah, it was intentional. Okay. If given that case, what happened 258 00:19:47.720 --> 00:19:53.960 to the intender? M? Yeah? Did the intender choose to survive or 259 00:19:55.079 --> 00:20:03.119 the end? Did the intender choose a cosmic suicide? M hmm. Let's 260 00:20:03.119 --> 00:20:10.039 say the contender of the Big Bang chose survival in what form in a the 261 00:20:10.160 --> 00:20:15.720 nine state or as an active state? HM. Let's say it's not or 262 00:20:15.720 --> 00:20:21.160 it's let's say it's an active state. We know there's four fundamental forces in 263 00:20:19.640 --> 00:20:25.480 the universe, right, We've got gravity, we've got strong nu uh nuclear, 264 00:20:25.480 --> 00:20:30.279 we've got weak nuclear, and we have electromagnetism. I believe there's a 265 00:20:30.319 --> 00:20:34.920 fifth and I've taken the liberty to call it intention. And all force carriers 266 00:20:34.960 --> 00:20:41.240 have or all fundamental forces have forced carriers assigned to'em. So I'm calling 267 00:20:41.319 --> 00:20:48.599 the force carry of intention intentatons HM. And I believe that UAP or UFO, 268 00:20:48.680 --> 00:20:52.720 whatever you choose to call them, I prefer UFO. I think they 269 00:20:52.839 --> 00:20:59.640 are engineered from the fundamental force of intention. HM. Doesn't that answer a 270 00:20:59.640 --> 00:21:07.039 lot of quess H. It's very interesting because that these objects, these objects 271 00:21:07.119 --> 00:21:14.400 were alive. They didn't need pilots on a nano scale. There they are 272 00:21:14.599 --> 00:21:18.880 self. They were they were live machines, just like you and I. 273 00:21:18.960 --> 00:21:22.480 There's a lot of people that, uh said, I've heard that believe that 274 00:21:22.839 --> 00:21:26.759 over the years that I've turned to like that doctor Jack for Sarfati by the 275 00:21:26.799 --> 00:21:32.519 way, or I'm saying his name our Fati. I mean sorry, I 276 00:21:32.599 --> 00:21:34.200 think yeah, I know you mean, yeah, I've got I've got a 277 00:21:34.279 --> 00:21:38.559 couple of questions, please go for it. Why I'm here, so I'm 278 00:21:38.599 --> 00:21:44.119 on a panel once a week and I'm with four military guys. I'm the 279 00:21:44.160 --> 00:21:48.799 only non military. Uh. And it's called the UAP Crossfire. And I 280 00:21:48.279 --> 00:21:53.119 also prefer UFO. That's my show's name, podcast UFO. Right, But 281 00:21:53.240 --> 00:21:59.240 anyway, Uh, the three other hosts are all ganging up on me, 282 00:21:59.319 --> 00:22:04.720 saying that the attacks were are you know, our secret program, and that 283 00:22:04.839 --> 00:22:08.599 they they did that just to test how the Navy would react to it. 284 00:22:10.119 --> 00:22:12.359 And I say, I don't believe that. I don't believe that at all. 285 00:22:12.440 --> 00:22:15.359 And so we argue about it all the time, not argue, you 286 00:22:15.400 --> 00:22:21.279 know, we discuss it. It's a cross fire. But those three are 287 00:22:21.319 --> 00:22:25.039 all saying it's our own secret military and yes, they do test this on 288 00:22:25.400 --> 00:22:29.839 surprisingly test it. And I would say, well, couldn't that, you 289 00:22:29.880 --> 00:22:33.839 know, cause an accident of some kind or people make sure you don't hear 290 00:22:33.839 --> 00:22:40.119 what they said about that party have an answer I can't really recall, unfortunately, 291 00:22:40.119 --> 00:22:41.920 but I mean I could look back. That's why they're wrong, because 292 00:22:44.000 --> 00:22:48.039 there is no way in hell that we are going to do that to ourselves. 293 00:22:49.960 --> 00:22:56.799 This this wasn't listed in the noticed error Mariners the no tames right, 294 00:22:59.000 --> 00:23:02.839 it's supposed to be published. Right, someone should have briefed me, Hey, 295 00:23:03.000 --> 00:23:06.519 Kevin or senior chief, we've got an additional exercise layered on top of 296 00:23:06.559 --> 00:23:12.039 yours. Don't be alarmed, right, because you're exactly right. It presented 297 00:23:12.079 --> 00:23:17.880 a safety of flight risk, and it ended up we canceled the exercise. 298 00:23:18.440 --> 00:23:22.160 We pulled back into port without the check in the block. Oh wow, 299 00:23:22.640 --> 00:23:26.079 I transferred and they had to go out and redo it. How much time 300 00:23:26.119 --> 00:23:29.000 and effort and money did that cost you? Yeah? That's going and why 301 00:23:29.000 --> 00:23:30.519 would they do that? Yeah? And you know what I have to tell 302 00:23:30.559 --> 00:23:33.359 you. If that's the case and they put me through all this, I'm 303 00:23:33.400 --> 00:23:37.960 taking them to court. Yeah I am. I'm going to quote you on 304 00:23:37.000 --> 00:23:38.920 that one. I'm taking them to court. And you know I'm gonna do 305 00:23:38.960 --> 00:23:44.400 with the money. I'm putting it back in the research. I'll take ten 306 00:23:44.440 --> 00:23:48.160 percent because I'm married now, and you know there's been time that I couldn't 307 00:23:48.160 --> 00:23:52.920 even pay my electric bill. Yeah, but that same kin. Yeah, 308 00:23:53.240 --> 00:23:56.880 but I'm through that, you know. Yeah, I went through some pretty 309 00:23:56.920 --> 00:24:02.519 hard times. Yeah. Yeah. So and another thing I wanted to tell 310 00:24:02.559 --> 00:24:04.079 you. Do you recall when you were on my show. I'm going to 311 00:24:04.119 --> 00:24:07.359 say about a year and a half or so. Now you got to understand 312 00:24:07.400 --> 00:24:11.640 my memories was a race because I've had two Grandma seizers since all. Okay, 313 00:24:12.039 --> 00:24:15.279 Oh, I'm sorry to hear that. Okay, Well, maybe maybe 314 00:24:15.319 --> 00:24:22.559 you can recall this because you're on with Mick West and I and you explained 315 00:24:22.559 --> 00:24:29.599 to him why the video of the tic TAC was not a jet exhaust and 316 00:24:29.720 --> 00:24:36.319 how it would be it would have been identified as such in from David fravor 317 00:24:36.440 --> 00:24:40.519 he would have been able to identify I think it was. Yeah, anyway, 318 00:24:40.960 --> 00:24:45.960 he if just in case you don't recall, Mick West said, oh, 319 00:24:47.319 --> 00:24:51.039 okay, now I get it. I understand. You know he's basically 320 00:24:51.119 --> 00:24:52.599 saying, yeah, he was basically saying he was wrong. But I just 321 00:24:52.640 --> 00:24:56.319 wanted to tell you. A week later he was on the news and still 322 00:24:56.319 --> 00:25:02.079 going with the same idea. In other words, God bless him. You 323 00:25:02.119 --> 00:25:06.240 know, you know what we need voices like his. I know it's right. 324 00:25:06.359 --> 00:25:08.599 I keep us all sober on this. It's very easy to get carried 325 00:25:08.599 --> 00:25:12.359 away with this thing and yeah and blow it out of proportion. So God 326 00:25:12.400 --> 00:25:17.079 bless people like Nick. Yeah, yeah, really truly, I really mean 327 00:25:17.119 --> 00:25:19.720 that. Okay, I think people like that keep us all balanced. Yeah, 328 00:25:21.440 --> 00:25:23.400 yeah, yep, and maybe he knows that too, huh yeah, 329 00:25:23.480 --> 00:25:26.799 maybe that's why he's doing it. Well, Uh, I think it's probably 330 00:25:26.880 --> 00:25:30.799 time we are to wrap it out with getting a little busy. But thank 331 00:25:30.839 --> 00:25:33.440 you. Wait, just thank you so much and I appreciate and it's so 332 00:25:33.519 --> 00:25:37.480 great to see you again. And uh we can follow this up at a 333 00:25:37.480 --> 00:25:40.920 different place in time. I'm gonna be here. I'm gonna be here t 334 00:25:41.119 --> 00:25:44.319 tomorrow, okay, okay, all right, we'll talk a great thank you. 335 00:25:48.640 --> 00:25:52.920 Well, we never followed it up, but that was the interview I 336 00:25:52.920 --> 00:25:59.319 had in the Ozark Mountain UFO conference with Kevin Day and uh so don't forget 337 00:25:59.400 --> 00:26:03.680 come back on Monday. I have Brandon Fugel on just the day before the 338 00:26:03.720 --> 00:26:10.759 release of Histories fifth season of The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch. So he'll be 339 00:26:10.799 --> 00:26:15.559 coming an eight pm Brandon Fugel Monday. Next week we have Ron Jenics believe 340 00:26:15.599 --> 00:26:22.160 that's the name. Yes, Ron Janics up and thank you all for jumping 341 00:26:22.200 --> 00:26:27.079 over to this show from the other one and all that, and we'll again 342 00:26:27.200 --> 00:26:32.319 we'll be back next week live. Thank you so much, and remember to 343 00:26:32.400 --> 00:27:00.240 keep your eyes to the sky.