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I would suggest you just do it. Take a test, right, look

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at the different legends of giants and
see if you can find the thread of

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what I'm saying. This is Jonathan
phel Welcome to the Symbolic World. Hello

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everyone. As some of you know, we are getting ready. We are

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just about to launch the new God's
Dog Warrior Kickstarter and I thought that as

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we get ready to start on this
new journey, it would be a great

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idea to look at the symbolism of
giants, because in the graphic novel,

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of course, the bad guys are
the giants. Now it's interesting because we

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wrote this a long time ago.
My brother and I wrote this now almost

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fifteen years ago, at a time
where nobody was really caring about giants,

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and nobody thought about that and their
relationship to what's happening in the world today.

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But now with the Lord of Spirits
and you know, people like Michael

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Heiser and also a lot of conspiracy
type people, the question of the nephilim

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end of giants is back, you
know, in people's perception and has been

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taking up more and more cultural space. And so what I thought we could

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do is we could look at the
symbolism surrounding the question of giants, understanding

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why they appear the way they do
in the different forms, why there's so

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much versatility in the symbolism of giants, and what that can mean. In

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order to look at the symbolism of
giants, we have to will take the

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biblical and innociate account first as a
kind of standard to look at it and

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to understand why it looks the way
that it does and what that can mean.

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And then we'll see how it plays
out in the in the different instantiations

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that they have in culture. Now, as you know, in the Book

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of Enoch, and you know,
based on the Book of Genesis, we

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have this idea that the sons of
God came into the women, the daughters

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of men, and the result of
that where the Nephilim. Of course,

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in scripture, it's very vague what
it is like, what a is the

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nephilin these fallen ones? You know, who are these watchers that are mentioned

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in the in the Book of Enoch. All of this is a little vague.

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But when you look at extra biblical
traditions and especially how they connect even

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to other mythologies from other cultures,
you can start to understand how all of

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this fits together. And so the
idea is to understand that there's something from

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above that mixes in an appropriate way
with something from below. You know,

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whether you understand it as angels having
a relationship with humans, whether you understand

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it as you know, the descendants
of Seth that have relationships with the descendants

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of Cain. In the end,
the symbolism is the same. It is

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an improper union between that which is
above and that which is below. So

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you could understand it as an improper
union between heaven and Earth, no matter

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how you see it. And so
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principalities or the angels having children with
humans and you know, producing offspring.

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Of course I mentioned this before,
Father Stephen de Youung seems to have given

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us a very good solution to avoid
the problems that this causes, which is

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that the these types of relationships were
mediated through ritual and that the way in

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which someone would have a relationship with
a god or a principality was through ritual

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sexual practice with a priestess or a
priest or a temple prostitute, and that

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this is what would give a powerful
being which came to be understood as what

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we would say the giants or these
these these beings that are also represented,

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at least culturally and at least in
the stories as being gigantic. And if

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you understand that that's the basic relationship, you can see that across several stories

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and across several traditions, you will
find that that is how they're represented.

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So if you look at the way
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they are born out of the castration
of heaven and the seed of heaven falling

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haphazardly onto the earth in a non
planned, you could say, non purposeful

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manner, and then creating the giants
in that accident. And so that's the

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way to think about it, is
something like that, the accident of meaning,

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the side effect of meaning. These
are always to understand what it is

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the giants are for. And you
could say also the excess of by is

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really the way to understand it in
this case, which is in some ways

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that the meaning isn't aligned, it's
not aligned towards what it really should be,

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and so because of that it creates
something which you could say has a

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lot of body but doesn't have a
lot of head, that has a lot

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of body but that doesn't have a
lot of spirit. And if you think

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of just different ways in which giants
are represented in popular cultures, as you

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know, stupid, the kind of
ogre type figure that is huge but is

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not very smart. This is of
course something that is just very pervasive in

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the way we understand our culture.
But you can see how all of these

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things kind of come together, which
is the bad union of heaven and earth,

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the wrong union of heaven and earth, the accidental union of heaven and

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earth, which makes it so what
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power and very little direction, a
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them. You have more of the
accidental aspect of the union of heaven and

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earth. And this is represented of
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giants are represented in for example,
in Greek culture. Again as usually some

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kind of excess you know, beings
with a thousand arms or you know,

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with the legs of serpents. They
have a kind of hybrid aspect of themselves

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or kind of excessive aspect to themselves, and sometime of them are huge,

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you know, like massively, not
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but like hundreds of feet tall or
whatever. And this is to show

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this kind of breakdown. Now,
this seems all very mythological, you know,

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and it seems all very strange,
But a good way to understand the

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giants is something like civilization gone wrong. Okay, this is a way to

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apply the question of the giants to
something that you can understand and that isn't

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just totally captured by mythological storytelling.
It is something like something above, like

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the head or a king or someone. And the king, because of he's

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a principality, right, like an
angel, but in the world something that

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is like a god, but in
the world joins with a body, right,

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joins with the city. Makes has
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that is aligned with him. And
you could say that the gigantic part,

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or the fallen part, or the
nepheline part of that is the side effects

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of the city, the way in
which the systems become out of control,

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they forget what they're for and they
take on a life of their own,

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so they become a kind of parasitical
body that is no longer enacting what they

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should be aligned towards. So think
of it now at different levels. It's

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important understand it at different levels because
if you don't, then it's going to

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sound weird. What I'm saying.
You have to understand something like the fallen

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angel itself is an image of that. That is, for example, in

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Scripture, the idea that the angels
rebel against God, or the idea in

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the Greek myths that the Titans,
who are these beings created by the meeting

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of the proper meeting of heaven and
Earth, that these titans rebel against Heaven,

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and in rebelling against Heaven they castraate
the God. And that castration,

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that wrong relationship between heaven and earth
is what gives the seed of Heaven falls

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on the Earth and then brings about
the giants, and so all of this

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happens all the way through, and
so it completely aligned with the idea of

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the rebel angels that rebel against God
and then come down to the earth and

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have relationships with women, which bring
about the the fallen ones. Because the

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angels are not aligned properly. The
relationship between the angels and the women on

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the earth is not a proper relationship. It's misaligned, and so therefore the

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fruit of that is the misalignment the
fallen ones, the too much body and

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not enough purpose, and so now
you can apply it more reasonably to something

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like a city, and you can
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aspects of the city which are misaligned
either towards the king, right towards the

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president, towards the mayor, towards
the corruption that appears there, or the

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manner in which the king himself or
the mayor himself is corrupt and is not

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aligned towards a higher purpose, which
will then cause the fruits of that to

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become misaligned. And so what you'll
have is you'll have things like tyranny,

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you'll have corruption, you'll have chaos, you have all of these types of

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behaviors which will appear like the giants. So now now kind of empty your

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mind of all the stories that I've
told. Now think of the giant in

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the fairy tale. Think of the
giant in the popular imagination of how the

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giant acts. The giant moves around, uses power arbitrarily. Right, will

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is a cannibal, usually will eat
human. We'll sit on things, you

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know, will break things. Well, you know, we'll have a big

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club and we'll just start bashing things
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representations of the forces of nature themselves, right, because in the story of

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the Greek Theogony, for example,
the Titans and the giants, they kind

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of get banished down under the earth, you know, the Titans get put

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into hades, and the giants get
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they become the source of volcanoes,
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all of this. And again you
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which is, although now we're not
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in the idea of the misalignment of
heaven and earth. Well, all of

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a sudden, the earth is not
acting towards purpose, It is being destructive,

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It is not helping purpose come about, but it is rather going against

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purpose and is a kind of brute
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world. And so just understanding that
can account for all the different aspects of

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the giants and how they know,
how they manifest themselves. As you know,

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we're also writing a version of Jack
and the Beanstock, and Jack and

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the Beanstock is very interesting because now
you have giants in the heavens, and

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so you think, well, if
the giants are these bodies without heads,

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why are the giants up in the
heavens. That doesn't make any sense,

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right, but that is of course
again you just have to understand it as

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a misaligninement of heaven and earth,
as the way in which heaven is misaligned

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with earth. And you can see
why it's not weird to imagine that there

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are giants that are up above you, that they would be represented that way

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as something like leaders that are not
acting towards the higher good. Right,

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so a leader that is not acting
towards the higher good could be represented with

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the tropes of a giant, an
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all the different the different images that
we represent as the as the giant.

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And so then you you have again
because if you see it fractally, you'll

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see that when the giant is represented, like in the story of Jack and

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the Beatsak as being in a castle
up in heaven. You know, he's

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in a castle, he has a
kind of kingly function because he's above you

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in a castle. And so then
he's both in some ways, the fallen

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angel and the giant at the same
time, because you can see that both

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of those are just different versions of
the same problem, which is why both

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in the scriptural text write the idea
that the sons of God rebel against God

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by mixing in properly with the daughters
of women, bringing information, bringing wisdom,

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bringing the knowledge of God down into
the world, but in a way

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that is weaponized, right, in
a way that is there to give to

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bring power, rather than to be
a transparent vehicle for something higher. Then

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that gives the nephilin that gives the
fallen ones. And in the Greek mythology

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you have the same image, which
is that the Titans rebel against Heaven,

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they castraight, they castright the gods, and then that brings about the giants,

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and both of those are fighting against
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them ultimately. It's in the Greek
story it's a little more complicated because then

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there's a like a kind of restoration
that happens to avoid things from falling further

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down. So it's not it's not
as clear as what you see in the

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Christian images, which is that Zeus
is not, you know, the is

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not Heaven himself, it's not the
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he's kind of a figure that stops
the chaos from continuing. But nonetheless,

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the structure is there, which is
that you have to fight against the Titans

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and you have to fight against the
giants, and so you have the Titano

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maki and the Giganto maki, which
are the two wars that the gods have

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against the giants. And then in
the Christian world you have that same type

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of imagery, which is, on
the one hand, you have the image

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of the battle against the in the
heavens, the great war in the heavens,

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where the angels and the demons are
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you also have this kind of imagery
in terms of how the flood will destroy

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the world of the giants. How
of course, there's also this fight against

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Gog and Magog in Revelation, which
is related to this idea of these kind

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of you know, giant monsters that
are too much body, Okay, So

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that can kind of help you understand
a basic structure of how giants work.

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Now there's another way that giants are
represented that you can help you understand what

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giants are. But it's the same
thing. It's just you have to instead

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of thinking about it in terms of
a kind of hierarchy of authority. And

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then the giant, the principalities rebelling
against what is above, and then that

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giving birth to the side effects of
a hierarchy, the side effects of power.

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You can also have it in something
like in time, which is that

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often in many traditions the giants are
represented as that which was there before the

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current order, and that is a
way to maybe understand it more in terms

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of the way the Greeks represent it. But you also see that, of

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course in Norse mythology and in many
other mythologies, where the giants were there

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before us, and they are in
some ways a remainder of an ancient world

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to which we don't have access anymore, that doesn't connect to our origin.

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You know, if you look at
the way in the Scandinavian in the Scandinavian

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mythology, you have this idea even
that the world is built out of the

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body of a giant that was there
before. So the world that's there before

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is dead and now is decomposed,
and now we take the remainders of that

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world and we reorganize it in order
to create that should create the current world.

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the story of Noah, which is

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that now to it also appears in
time, which is that the giants appear

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as a remainder of the pre Deluvian
world, this kind of you know,

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broken, chaotic remainder of what was
there before, because it is a place

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where heaven and Earth don't meet,
which is that we have an origin of

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our story. We have a foundation
of a nation, the foundation of a

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of a of a culture, of
a story, and that is the order

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of that world. And it's the
manner in which heaven and Earth joined together.

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And what precedes it is, of
course something that we can't understand,

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because it's like a residue. It's
a remainder of something that doesn't make sense

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to us. And that remainder and
things that don't make sense to us is

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equivalent to the natural forces that are
in the world. Think again of the

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giant that was broken down in Northern
mythology in order to make the new world.

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And you can think about that in
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a if there's a massive change in
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has to now be realigned, has
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which we're now going to make the
new world. And that is akin to

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coming to a land and then finding
the land that's there or whatever is there,

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and then having to organize it,
you know, to plant, to

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plant food, to build buildings,
to do whatever in order to make it

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into now a habitable place. So
that is why giants also appear as that

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which was there before us. And
so you see that in every so many

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cultural stories. You'll just see it
NonStop everywhere. Which is that, whether

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it's it's Native American, you know, different aboriginal mythology, that there were

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giants there before they arrived, that
there was this strange race of giant men

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who are there before. You see
it in the how the Brutus from Troy

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comes to England to the British Isles
and what does he find. Of course

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he finds giants. He has to
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his new civilization. Now that is
exactly the same as the Norse gods or

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the Norse world having to create a
new world out of a previous giant.

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Okay, and that is so pervasive, that way of thinking is so pervasive

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that no matter how the giant appears
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that structure. So if you then
move into a world of evolutionary thinking where

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humans are descendants of apes and that
now we're humans when we see our giants,

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that is, when we encounter the
giants. Whether that encounter is imaginary

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or not, it doesn't matter.
We will use the same story trope no

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matter what. And so we'll say
that Bigfoot or that, you know,

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the different giants that are encountered in
the Americas with like was it Wen Digo

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or all these these giants that are
in American mythology, that those are apes,

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right, they are a world that
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potential out of which humans have arisen, and they're remainders of that world right

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there. They're the possibility of some
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but that was there, you know, before us, or that is

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is a kind of remainder of our
ancient of our ancient past. And so

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there's really no way to get around
this type of mythology, and it's a

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good way to kind of try to
connect all of the elements of the giants

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together. And so I would suggest, you know, just do it.

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Take a test, right, look
at the different legends of giants and see

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if you can find the thread of
what I'm saying, if you can notice

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how the the giants manifest these different
aspects, which is really a misalignment of

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heaven and Earth, and what that
looks like, whether it is in some

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ways a kingdom out of control where
the power of the institution is now acting

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like a tyranny on us or whatever, or whether it is a savage giant

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wearing you know, animal skins with
a club that's eating humans. All of

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that manifests this misalignment between heaven and
Earth. And so I hope this was

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helpful, and I encourage you to
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willing to go in there first.
And in this book, you really will

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discover, you know, what is
the relationship between the garments of skin between

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you know, and these giants that
appear in the first book. And it's

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all related to materializes understanding of this
question of residues, of remainders and of

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the prediluvian world. And so I
really hope to take all of you along

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on this trip to discover the continuation
of God's Dog which is called God's Dog

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Warrior. And so thanks everybody for
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