I would suggest you just do it. Take a test, right, look
at the different legends of giants and see if you can find the thread of
what I'm saying. This is Jonathan phel Welcome to the Symbolic World. Hello
everyone. As some of you know, we are getting ready. We are
just about to launch the new God's Dog Warrior Kickstarter and I thought that as
we get ready to start on this new journey, it would be a great
idea to look at the symbolism of giants, because in the graphic novel,
of course, the bad guys are the giants. Now it's interesting because we
wrote this a long time ago. My brother and I wrote this now almost
fifteen years ago, at a time where nobody was really caring about giants,
and nobody thought about that and their relationship to what's happening in the world today.
But now with the Lord of Spirits and you know, people like Michael
Heiser and also a lot of conspiracy type people, the question of the nephilim
end of giants is back, you know, in people's perception and has been
taking up more and more cultural space. And so what I thought we could
do is we could look at the symbolism surrounding the question of giants, understanding
why they appear the way they do in the different forms, why there's so
much versatility in the symbolism of giants, and what that can mean. In
order to look at the symbolism of giants, we have to will take the
biblical and innociate account first as a kind of standard to look at it and
to understand why it looks the way that it does and what that can mean.
And then we'll see how it plays out in the in the different instantiations
that they have in culture. Now, as you know, in the Book
of Enoch, and you know, based on the Book of Genesis, we
have this idea that the sons of God came into the women, the daughters
of men, and the result of that where the Nephilim. Of course,
in scripture, it's very vague what it is like, what a is the
nephilin these fallen ones? You know, who are these watchers that are mentioned
in the in the Book of Enoch. All of this is a little vague.
But when you look at extra biblical traditions and especially how they connect even
to other mythologies from other cultures, you can start to understand how all of
this fits together. And so the idea is to understand that there's something from
above that mixes in an appropriate way with something from below. You know,
whether you understand it as angels having a relationship with humans, whether you understand
it as you know, the descendants of Seth that have relationships with the descendants
of Cain. In the end, the symbolism is the same. It is
an improper union between that which is above and that which is below. So
you could understand it as an improper union between heaven and Earth, no matter
how you see it. And so you know, if the idea of the
principalities or the angels having children with humans and you know, producing offspring.
Of course I mentioned this before, Father Stephen de Youung seems to have given
us a very good solution to avoid the problems that this causes, which is
that the these types of relationships were mediated through ritual and that the way in
which someone would have a relationship with a god or a principality was through ritual
sexual practice with a priestess or a priest or a temple prostitute, and that
this is what would give a powerful being which came to be understood as what
we would say the giants or these these these beings that are also represented,
at least culturally and at least in the stories as being gigantic. And if
you understand that that's the basic relationship, you can see that across several stories
and across several traditions, you will find that that is how they're represented.
So if you look at the way in which the Greek giants are born,
they are born out of the castration of heaven and the seed of heaven falling
haphazardly onto the earth in a non planned, you could say, non purposeful
manner, and then creating the giants in that accident. And so that's the
way to think about it, is something like that, the accident of meaning,
the side effect of meaning. These are always to understand what it is
the giants are for. And you could say also the excess of by is
really the way to understand it in this case, which is in some ways
that the meaning isn't aligned, it's not aligned towards what it really should be,
and so because of that it creates something which you could say has a
lot of body but doesn't have a lot of head, that has a lot
of body but that doesn't have a lot of spirit. And if you think
of just different ways in which giants are represented in popular cultures, as you
know, stupid, the kind of ogre type figure that is huge but is
not very smart. This is of course something that is just very pervasive in
the way we understand our culture. But you can see how all of these
things kind of come together, which is the bad union of heaven and earth,
the wrong union of heaven and earth, the accidental union of heaven and
earth, which makes it so what you get is something like a lot of
power and very little direction, a lot of you know, you could call
them. You have more of the accidental aspect of the union of heaven and
earth. And this is represented of course also in the way in which the
giants are represented in for example, in Greek culture. Again as usually some
kind of excess you know, beings with a thousand arms or you know,
with the legs of serpents. They have a kind of hybrid aspect of themselves
or kind of excessive aspect to themselves, and sometime of them are huge,
you know, like massively, not just you know, a few feet tall,
but like hundreds of feet tall or whatever. And this is to show
this kind of breakdown. Now, this seems all very mythological, you know,
and it seems all very strange, But a good way to understand the
giants is something like civilization gone wrong. Okay, this is a way to
apply the question of the giants to something that you can understand and that isn't
just totally captured by mythological storytelling. It is something like something above, like
the head or a king or someone. And the king, because of he's
a principality, right, like an angel, but in the world something that
is like a god, but in the world joins with a body, right,
joins with the city. Makes has this large body, very powerful body
that is aligned with him. And you could say that the gigantic part,
or the fallen part, or the nepheline part of that is the side effects
of the city, the way in which the systems become out of control,
they forget what they're for and they take on a life of their own,
so they become a kind of parasitical body that is no longer enacting what they
should be aligned towards. So think of it now at different levels. It's
important understand it at different levels because if you don't, then it's going to
sound weird. What I'm saying. You have to understand something like the fallen
angel itself is an image of that. That is, for example, in
Scripture, the idea that the angels rebel against God, or the idea in
the Greek myths that the Titans, who are these beings created by the meeting
of the proper meeting of heaven and Earth, that these titans rebel against Heaven,
and in rebelling against Heaven they castraate the God. And that castration,
that wrong relationship between heaven and earth is what gives the seed of Heaven falls
on the Earth and then brings about the giants, and so all of this
happens all the way through, and so it completely aligned with the idea of
the rebel angels that rebel against God and then come down to the earth and
have relationships with women, which bring about the the fallen ones. Because the
angels are not aligned properly. The relationship between the angels and the women on
the earth is not a proper relationship. It's misaligned, and so therefore the
fruit of that is the misalignment the fallen ones, the too much body and
not enough purpose, and so now you can apply it more reasonably to something
like a city, and you can understand how that happens, which is the
aspects of the city which are misaligned either towards the king, right towards the
president, towards the mayor, towards the corruption that appears there, or the
manner in which the king himself or the mayor himself is corrupt and is not
aligned towards a higher purpose, which will then cause the fruits of that to
become misaligned. And so what you'll have is you'll have things like tyranny,
you'll have corruption, you'll have chaos, you have all of these types of
behaviors which will appear like the giants. So now now kind of empty your
mind of all the stories that I've told. Now think of the giant in
the fairy tale. Think of the giant in the popular imagination of how the
giant acts. The giant moves around, uses power arbitrarily. Right, will
is a cannibal, usually will eat human. We'll sit on things, you
know, will break things. Well, you know, we'll have a big
club and we'll just start bashing things around. And is in some ways the
representations of the forces of nature themselves, right, because in the story of
the Greek Theogony, for example, the Titans and the giants, they kind
of get banished down under the earth, you know, the Titans get put
into hades, and the giants get kind of put into the ground, like
they become the source of volcanoes, the source of earthquakes, the source of
all of this. And again you can see how how it fits together,
which is, although now we're not in the human sphere of civilization, we're
in the idea of the misalignment of heaven and earth. Well, all of
a sudden, the earth is not acting towards purpose, It is being destructive,
It is not helping purpose come about, but it is rather going against
purpose and is a kind of brute force without head that is acting on the
world. And so just understanding that can account for all the different aspects of
the giants and how they know, how they manifest themselves. As you know,
we're also writing a version of Jack and the Beanstock, and Jack and
the Beanstock is very interesting because now you have giants in the heavens, and
so you think, well, if the giants are these bodies without heads,
why are the giants up in the heavens. That doesn't make any sense,
right, but that is of course again you just have to understand it as
a misaligninement of heaven and earth, as the way in which heaven is misaligned
with earth. And you can see why it's not weird to imagine that there
are giants that are up above you, that they would be represented that way
as something like leaders that are not acting towards the higher good. Right,
so a leader that is not acting towards the higher good could be represented with
the tropes of a giant, an ogre, a cannibal, you know,
all the different the different images that we represent as the as the giant.
And so then you you have again because if you see it fractally, you'll
see that when the giant is represented, like in the story of Jack and
the Beatsak as being in a castle up in heaven. You know, he's
in a castle, he has a kind of kingly function because he's above you
in a castle. And so then he's both in some ways, the fallen
angel and the giant at the same time, because you can see that both
of those are just different versions of the same problem, which is why both
in the scriptural text write the idea that the sons of God rebel against God
by mixing in properly with the daughters of women, bringing information, bringing wisdom,
bringing the knowledge of God down into the world, but in a way
that is weaponized, right, in a way that is there to give to
bring power, rather than to be a transparent vehicle for something higher. Then
that gives the nephilin that gives the fallen ones. And in the Greek mythology
you have the same image, which is that the Titans rebel against Heaven,
they castraight, they castright the gods, and then that brings about the giants,
and both of those are fighting against the gods, and so both of
them ultimately. It's in the Greek story it's a little more complicated because then
there's a like a kind of restoration that happens to avoid things from falling further
down. So it's not it's not as clear as what you see in the
Christian images, which is that Zeus is not, you know, the is
not Heaven himself, it's not the God of Heaven. He's kind of a
he's kind of a figure that stops the chaos from continuing. But nonetheless,
the structure is there, which is that you have to fight against the Titans
and you have to fight against the giants, and so you have the Titano
maki and the Giganto maki, which are the two wars that the gods have
against the giants. And then in the Christian world you have that same type
of imagery, which is, on the one hand, you have the image
of the battle against the in the heavens, the great war in the heavens,
where the angels and the demons are are in a battle. But then
you also have this kind of imagery in terms of how the flood will destroy
the world of the giants. How of course, there's also this fight against
Gog and Magog in Revelation, which is related to this idea of these kind
of you know, giant monsters that are too much body, Okay, So
that can kind of help you understand a basic structure of how giants work.
Now there's another way that giants are represented that you can help you understand what
giants are. But it's the same thing. It's just you have to instead
of thinking about it in terms of a kind of hierarchy of authority. And
then the giant, the principalities rebelling against what is above, and then that
giving birth to the side effects of a hierarchy, the side effects of power.
You can also have it in something like in time, which is that
often in many traditions the giants are represented as that which was there before the
current order, and that is a way to maybe understand it more in terms
of the way the Greeks represent it. But you also see that, of
course in Norse mythology and in many other mythologies, where the giants were there
before us, and they are in some ways a remainder of an ancient world
to which we don't have access anymore, that doesn't connect to our origin.
You know, if you look at the way in the Scandinavian in the Scandinavian
mythology, you have this idea even that the world is built out of the
body of a giant that was there before. So the world that's there before
is dead and now is decomposed, and now we take the remainders of that
world and we reorganize it in order to create that should create the current world.
And of course is there also in the story of Noah, which is
that now to it also appears in time, which is that the giants appear
as a remainder of the pre Deluvian world, this kind of you know,
broken, chaotic remainder of what was there before, because it is a place
where heaven and Earth don't meet, which is that we have an origin of
our story. We have a foundation of a nation, the foundation of a
of a of a culture, of a story, and that is the order
of that world. And it's the manner in which heaven and Earth joined together.
And what precedes it is, of course something that we can't understand,
because it's like a residue. It's a remainder of something that doesn't make sense
to us. And that remainder and things that don't make sense to us is
equivalent to the natural forces that are in the world. Think again of the
giant that was broken down in Northern mythology in order to make the new world.
And you can think about that in terms of culture. So if there's
a if there's a massive change in culture, then that which was there before
has to now be realigned, has to be used as the potential out of
which we're now going to make the new world. And that is akin to
coming to a land and then finding the land that's there or whatever is there,
and then having to organize it, you know, to plant, to
plant food, to build buildings, to do whatever in order to make it
into now a habitable place. So that is why giants also appear as that
which was there before us. And so you see that in every so many
cultural stories. You'll just see it NonStop everywhere. Which is that, whether
it's it's Native American, you know, different aboriginal mythology, that there were
giants there before they arrived, that there was this strange race of giant men
who are there before. You see it in the how the Brutus from Troy
comes to England to the British Isles and what does he find. Of course
he finds giants. He has to defeat the giants before being able to found
his new civilization. Now that is exactly the same as the Norse gods or
the Norse world having to create a new world out of a previous giant.
Okay, and that is so pervasive, that way of thinking is so pervasive
that no matter how the giant appears to us, the giant will always have
that structure. So if you then move into a world of evolutionary thinking where
humans are descendants of apes and that now we're humans when we see our giants,
that is, when we encounter the giants. Whether that encounter is imaginary
or not, it doesn't matter. We will use the same story trope no
matter what. And so we'll say that Bigfoot or that, you know,
the different giants that are encountered in the Americas with like was it Wen Digo
or all these these giants that are in American mythology, that those are apes,
right, they are a world that was there before our origin, the
potential out of which humans have arisen, and they're remainders of that world right
there. They're the possibility of some kind of humanoid creature that is not us,
but that was there, you know, before us, or that is
is a kind of remainder of our ancient of our ancient past. And so
there's really no way to get around this type of mythology, and it's a
good way to kind of try to connect all of the elements of the giants
together. And so I would suggest, you know, just do it.
Take a test, right, look at the different legends of giants and see
if you can find the thread of what I'm saying, if you can notice
how the the giants manifest these different aspects, which is really a misalignment of
heaven and Earth, and what that looks like, whether it is in some
ways a kingdom out of control where the power of the institution is now acting
like a tyranny on us or whatever, or whether it is a savage giant
wearing you know, animal skins with a club that's eating humans. All of
that manifests this misalignment between heaven and Earth. And so I hope this was
helpful, and I encourage you to sign up for God's Dog for the kickstarter
we're going to We're trying to launch around the thirtieth, but we want as
many people subscribe because we're going to have early bird specials for those who are
willing to go in there first. And in this book, you really will
discover, you know, what is the relationship between the garments of skin between
you know, and these giants that appear in the first book. And it's
all related to materializes understanding of this question of residues, of remainders and of
the prediluvian world. And so I really hope to take all of you along
on this trip to discover the continuation of God's Dog which is called God's Dog
Warrior. And so thanks everybody for your support and we will talk very soon. Bye bye