Good morning, friends and friends, I am Julio Pérez and this is the
train of life, a radio adventure along the routes of the heart. I
want to invite you to travel with me and dream together in a better world,
a different world where men and women of good will can live in peace
and freedom. The train of life is a magaxine of good news and hope.
This is a radio time specially designed for people like you and like so
many truth seekers, of the only truth that can make us out identically free
come I invite you to travel with us on the safest train of all,
which will definitely take you to safe harbour. This is the train of life,
giving very good morning Spain. Good morning, friends and friends, this
is Julio Pérez, a tireless or unrepentant traveler who never regrets traveling on this
train of life, this living parable as the abysmal life. Thirty- two
years later, in the spring of ninety- two, pioneers of the Spanish
Olympics of that year, that great year ninety- two. From then until
now we have traveled through the children of the human soul and along many paths
in the heart and many current issues and here we are still. We'
re still riding. Then we exist with me this morning we go there,
ladies and gentlemen, ladies and gentlemen, here we are. We' re
on the train of life. This is a traveling train, it' s
a train of good news always, we always bring good. Sometimes we talk
about news that is not so good, that it is disturbing, but not
on our part, but because we don' t want to be unaware of
what' s going on around us, much less. Of course it is
good, because today we are also as guests of luxury. We' ve
got our friend, too Look at you. We have a journalist, a
man who every day from Monday to Friday, from 8 a m to 11
a m, has a radio program with different spaces, but where he also
bears witness to the social and political chronicle, reads the most outstanding newspapers of
the day, and also makes interviews of various signs, issues of interest to
the Protestant world, questions of faith but and spirituality, but also questions of
topicality and of general interest to the citizenry. Evidently, he' s our
friend Lucho Pan Duro. Lucho Panduro is a journalist, journalist of the real
ones, of the Lies and also, already from his country, who studied
university training as a journalist, and he when he arrived in Spain, because
he already settled, already has the city many years ago. He is already
a pastor in a church in Madrid and is the technical director. He is
the key man, because he has a very very functional and very operational team
around him on Dinami Radio. Dinami Radio is a radio station that has a
lot of presence in many Spanish cities and is a radio station that is good
under the general direction of Pastor Juan Cano, He is the visionary, the
man who pushed the project, but the technical director of the day- to
- day of everything that is the world of the radio is struggle, panduro.
Well, there we have him, he' ll be with us.
Let' s talk to him about actuality we' ve wanted. I wanted
to fight. We are going to give a review, not a review of
these that are good when they are put to broth, but a review of
what is happening and what concerns us all citizens and something else of interest to
the evangelical communities in Spain also how not. And this will be the first
chance of the first interview. But then we' ll continue to the next
station and meet Daniel Bañuls. Daniel Bañueles has until recently been the Secretary General
of the Web, but he has been a pastor for many years. His
wives, they bill active shepherds and Esther Salya is a magnificent shepherdess and he
is a man, Daniel Bañuls is a mobilizer for many years, many and
has a special ability to get resources from companies, organizations in humanitarian catastrophes.
He immediately touches keys, moves and removes heaven and earth to send help to
Turkey with the earthquake, to Morocco, when what has happened, to Assyria
for a long time, to Ukraine, a lot of humanitarian aid. Now,
in Côte d' Ivoire, it' s the last shipments to a
particular orpharate and it' s always finding targets of great human needs. Let
' s talk to him. Let' s talk. Some say Good the
Protestant World. Well the world pretests the social work. Diaconía España, for
example, or Dignity here in Catalonia and in several evangelical communities of autonomous regions.
Well, they' re very operational. Dignity here in Catalonia brings together
many humanitarian and solidarity organizations and Diaconía España is the main driving force behind the
entire humanitarian aid project in Spain and, moreover, with very interesting and striking
results, the humanitarian aid capital of the banking churches in Spain is great.
There is one statistic that is what happens is that we have been a majority,
a silent minority. And now, therefore, we want to value what
we do for the benefit of the citizenry and for the glory of God.
Of course, it is part of our soul to help the underprivileged, because
there we will have the immobilizing pastor, especially humanitarian missions, humanitarian emergencies.
Daniel Bañuls. This morning on the train of life and Mira we recovered an
interview with Jaumallenas. Well, tomorrow he' s a lawyer, he'
s the coordinator, the director of Bible graduate groups. He has been the
Secretary General of the Spanish Evangelical Alliance for many years. Yaun Mallenas is one
of the brightest minds we have in the evangelical world. Understand yourself as José
de Segovia, as Marcos Zapata, Manuel Suárez, Pedro Tarquis and the list
can add and, obviously, as intellectuals, I don' t want to
include so much anymore. I mean not as much as writers, as can
be Juan Antonio Monrey, who is one of the great intellectuals of the world.
I don' t think I' m talking about Antonio Cruz anymore,
Dr Antonio Cruz. Well there is the list José Moreno Berrocal and good is
an endless list of journalists and such, but as a chatter talker, a
sharp, brilliant, equidistant and also courageous man to make judgments of appropriate value.
But let us talk to him about Christian conversion, conversion what is called
conversion when he has experienced a conversion to Christianity or has converted to Catholicism,
has converted to Protestantism. Well, it' s a rather pejorative way of
saying things. He has not converted to Christ, he has converted to Islam,
he has converted to Buddhism. Then, in this case, Christian conversion.
Some questioned that it could easily be psychological manipulation. And well those of
us who have training, included already or Mayanas is a lawyer, but those
who study, which is academic studies, study psychology, are also part of
our ingredient in the careers of turn. Christian conversion is a psychological manipulation,
a self- deception, a manipulation of religion, or a truly supernatural experience.
Well, let' s talk to him and draw conclusions to be on
top of it. There they know the encounter between Nicodemus and Jesus, not
that enlightened man in Shosen you see. That is one of the best dialogues
in the series between Nicodemus and Jesus on the new birth that we read in
chapter three of John' s Gospel. That night in secret the man is
going to consult him. And Jesus speaks to them. Jesus speaks of being
born again and he believes he is talking about reincarnation. And no, no,
no, no, talking about something different. To be born again is
not to be reincarnated, let alone. This is a fallacy, the subject
of reincarnation. But the Christian conversion, psychological manipulation or supernatural experience with yaomalleras
and how not the teacher I call him because it is that this man is
a shambles of knowledge, of music, of literature, of actuality, of
characters, of history, of philosophy, of theology, Of course, José
de Segovia is a Protestant pastor in the city of Madrid. I sent a
very affectionate greeting at this time to my friend José de Segovia, and he
is also a journalist of the real and theologians, in addition to one of
the magnificent contemporary theologians of the Protestant world. In Spain and in this talk
we talked about the musical and social influence of the Beatles. Well, I
remember with the beatle mane, the campered pants, the satin shirt with the
Elvis collar. I remember. When I came to church, I was dressed
like this at the age of eighteen and it was the fashion then. But
the musical and social influence of the Beatles, which were the outbreak, was
a social paradigm shift in world music. But also in the changes of social
paradigms that were beginning to take place in all areas. The Rolly Stolls.
We must recognize that they are a musically speaking phenomenon and we will analyze their
influence a little bit from a really sharp point of view, as José de
Segovia and also two, a very interesting group also with Christian connotations, but
also philosophers of contemporary music. And I say because, well, he is
a true philosopher, besides being an altruist and a philanthropist of these who make
very generous donations, also for humanitarian causes. Well, then, what influence
have these three and similar ones had, for example, on the masses and
especially on the new generation of the previous years. Now the Beatles are gone.
There' s still the ringo alive, I think Paul McCartney and the
Rolling. Well, there it is, because there are some still, well,
of the old Richards and obviously, because the singer, the leader of
the group and all some practically all still are already almost with the cane.
But there they go. Nothing comes out of war. Still good, so
let' s listen to our friends on this life- life train trip or
love it with us. Or the name of Jesus. Shields are to rescue
the name leave Jesus. That shadows the trailerity, the God, the God,
the unharmed one is very close to that it is chelifying you inspired riad.
I' m ris parastres, not that. There is no other are
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the man of the right. I love to be vourida if you want
to visit our website www point train of life, train of life or ladies
and gentlemen, we are already in line with our good friend Lucho Pan Duro,
a man of means. He is a man who listens to him on
the radio in many Spanish stations, from Dinami Radio Madrid the Central and who
has a program, as told them the pulse of life of three hours,
where he speaks a little bit of everything of the present, of course,
already very early what says the most outstanding presses, the most remarkable news of
the day And then, then, an endless of interviews and talks and talks
and, therefore, he is a very experienced man in the middle and that
we speak with him, look at Fridays, we speak in Dinami Radio of
the present, because today it is up to our friend Lucho to be with
us and we will comment with him, we will talk about what happens,
that happens in this Iberian courtyard, that is called Spain, in this chicken
house, in the rebellion, on the farm, as said or Well,
I do not know if exactly that happens, eh, but here there is
a grigay that is big, very good days, welcome, Luco Julio,
a real placen is heard. Well, perfect, perfect, very good,
very good, for a real pleasure to be able to be with you this
morning. Thank you for this detail of having our participation. And here we
are for what really to some extent, because it stands in the time that
you cordially know us so that you can be. Thank you, I fight,
I fight that we always like. We are eternal curious and curious redeemers.
We want to know who the character we' re talking to is.
You' re a church pastor. Today many years ago you arrived in Spain,
which also has Spanish nationality and you have your family. Married well married
and also, for years you have been the programming director of Dinami Radio.
You have journalistic training from your country. You studied journalism, I' m
on my way and perfect. Of course, there' s all the details.
We' re booked. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well,
you in Madrid are a pastor besides a church. Yeah. Indeed,
we have the privilege of serving the Lord and our brothers there in Church Evangelical
fountain of living water in Pinto, is a community that is to the south
of Madrid, about twenty kilometers from the capital of the Centre, and we
have been there for ten years really working with my family, my wife,
we are shepherding the Church fountain of living water and so really happy with all
the challenges that always being at the head of a congregation means challenges that sometimes
is not and almost always more in our capacities to solve it, because everything
depends on a miracle. It is from the conclusion in time that I have
really been working on hydrazgo and on the shepherding change, in one' s
own life, not only but the changes themselves that are evolving, let'
s say within the human being through the word, and how the Gospel is
slowly permeating those layers that we have inside our brain and that, to some
extent, we are realizing how we are progressing little by little. It'
s a process. There are some who advance much faster, they are going
to have a speed and there are others, because they go a little slower,
but all, of course, in that sense of humans, of the
Lord and we, trusting in his grace and in his favor that he really
does because he ends up transforming us at the end, that we need to
be light in the midst of a society that truly shines darkness and that we
need to carry the truth of the Gospel of Christ. So there we are
happy, because working with children, with brothers, adolescents, also parents,
families, the elderly, which is another very significant collective of the Church,
because when one enters, the first thing he thinks is that it is only
the middle- aged who constitute in the Church. Then you realize that there
are children and that they have longed for, that they are other collectives with
which you also have to work and that they pose their own challenges. So
for twenty years he' s been forgiven, ten years we' ve been
working with my wife there, in this community, in the Church source of
water, alive and integrated, because to all society let' s say and
to our instances that represent us and very happy that Julio saw, that well
combine the pastorate, that is a demanding job and more knowing to you,
as you, I know that you are one of the people with your wife,
that you give yourself to the service of others. But then the immense
work as technical director of Dinamis Radio from the central studios of Madrid, by
the way, very beautiful and very very very contemporary and very up- to
- date and then with that radiating also to many other cities, with all
your programming. But besides, you have a program Monday through Friday from 8
: 00 a m to 11: 00 a m, The pulse of life,
which is a program. I know what it is now. I do
not perform a daily program, but I know what You are. You'
ve been doing it for years on a three- hour program every day.
It' s a super demanding job. How you do it is a big
question. How I do it. I don' t think about it and
I do, because if I think about it, I don' t,
of course, because it involves a lot of work. But really our work
is a work in that sense rather of coordination in the programme itself, because
we have many collaborators to whom we are deeply grateful and without whom it would
be impossible to really do that amount of hours, three hours per day and
above all with contents that are very updated. And so because it is in
the morning and, therefore, the rush. The times obviously mark, they
have to mark a little bit the dynamic of the program, so it is
much easier and more bearable to really count on brothers who are collaborating with the
different sections. In them, for example, we have invented something of which
together we participate in that summary of the train of life, for example,
to warn of what is to be emitted at the different emission points. The
content to make that advance and notice half an hour that gives of itself Anda
and the brothers do not really help us and their help to be impossible.
Collaborators are vital in this regard. Not then do we have some collaboration with
brothers that you also have, of course, brothers in common. How is
the case of Pastor Joaquin Yebra has his space with us. Dare to ask
a program that came up in your heart and there is a challenge. We
just not just a loud voice and a simple help and mind to do management.
And well, the brothers, which is the other side, also do
and fifty- five minutes there, for example, we have counted it every
Monday. Not then. Allow me that Joaquín Llebra is one of the wise
great sages of the world, evangelical, first- rate theologian, first-
time pastor- dean of pastors, a man of radio, of media and
with the greatest that he is, with a wisdom that he has in his
answer. This man answers everything and responds well. It doesn' t go
through the hills of ubeda, so it' s a wonder. You will
listen and people are very grateful because doubts, concerns are solved And the challenge
is tremendous, because that' s all done live and live. Dear Julio,
you know how it is there there is no chance of going back,
rewinding everything. Going on the march and it is impressive the ability that he
has to be able to answer so many questions and concerns, and that none
so far, in the time that we have been operating with this space,
has said I don' t know. I' m going to write it
down to answer it to the next program, because without an answer it won
' t leave you yes. So far, he hasn' t been able
to solve it in the best way. And it really is in that sense,
because this wonderful to have its help, because it is really a content
producer how to communicate very good and very good simple agile communicator that challenges you,
very very very has exceptional qualities in that sense. And another thing that
I would also put in value that sometimes we don' t stand out is
their academic background. He has studied English philology. Yes, he' s
an intellectual like the Latin Friki cup and the words. They say words are
born, grow, develop, reproduce, die, rise. And then he
loves that and that has given him a capacity also to be able to surprise
us, although he never says he knows Hebrew and Greek, but yet he
is magnificent. It' s a hebraistality. He is one of the best
hebraists we have in Spain, in the evangelical world. I mean everybody.
I imagine some brothers will be saying, but this one should be talking about
him. But I have little to talk about Tes. No. No,
no, but we talked on your show you got him, but you got
Pedro Darkis, you got Mano loz. Indeed, you have Juan vare José,
José Segovia has sixty- six names, which we are also having.
A fragment of them. We can pass it. The whole dream. That
' s over, all the rockers are in the dream. It' s
really over. Hey, great. José Segovia is a serial outcast. This
man is one of the most preeminent and brilliant minds in the Protestant world.
And Jose talks to you about music. It is a melomaniac understood, of
cinema, of literature, of philosophy, of theology, of course, but
it speaks to you a day, it is not he, it is not
invented that is this man And then the programs that you are producing from Dinami
Radio is also the truth together with Daniel pan Duro, who are doing a
magnificent work of production and who then also appear in some section of your program
with Route sixty- six or such the dream. So many things are over.
Hey, now it' s got to do with this, with the
party. It' s over, this one that has now come out in
the European Parliament, this one that sounded a little bit like that, I
think it' s the man to the Visens, but well, it'
s a coincidence like that overboard. But the idea is that what great minds
and thinkers. Well, and then you' re there on the foot of
a wire talking about today, highlighting the news of the day very early I
hear some mornings. And, well, this is the man we have here
today with us, ladies and gentlemen, and Lucho hard bread hey, Lucho
you see, you see? The courtyard is very heated. After the European
elections that says grace, he says well, there are twenty- two Members,
unlike the socialists who have finished twenty who have remained good, have lost
one seat, unlike what they had five years ago. Of course, but
they' ve lost eight hundred thousand votes. You mean, he' s
won the PP eight hundred minutes. No. No, they have lost two
and a half million votes to the Socialists, compared to the last election in
Europe. And the PP has won, compared to the last elections, the
last ones here, our Spanish, eight hundred thousand votes. Almost eight hundred
thousand more votes. It means, well, if that' s not winning
by beating, I don' t know what it' s like to win
or lose, because it says well, they don' t say they haven
' t won. And I' m not saying that because if they'
d won, the others would just like to ride a pair here to say
the opposite. What I see on Wednesday when the government is under control is
that when the government is under control, I was seeing on Wednesday the questions
asked by the opposition to Mr Sánchez, the President of the Government and the
management of Vice- President Montero. How ridiculous, what a slum, how
ugly This woman is not the president of incognito, because she has to leave
him this soon, because it is the ruin of the country. That woman
is politically unpresentable and is also a heavy championship. I think there are people
who, regardless of whether you differ from political thinking, have height, have
level. You' ll disagree, but they talk as they should, it
' s grinning arguments and so on, but it' s just that we
' re now running into a gang that' s all grunt and the mud
machine and all that. I think that and this is it. This is
if you saw each other from an external projection that someone told you guys.
This is too much. This gives already, this is emphatic. Not anymore,
not using this terminology, because the people themselves, our own voters,
are already saying hear what happens. This is incredible because listen, if you
say, they are doing it in a place where no one sees it and
that the media emits everything that is really seen and without a doubt, the
gestures made by Maria Jesús Montero Montero, obviously are of commentary and commentary that
express a sense that is beautiful the pathological, because really the one that you
are in favor, that you impact to some extent the leader that you have
in front of you. Or, for example, we who say you appreciate
your pastor, let' s say that in this case you already super-
appreciate your President venerates him. So it' s okay, it' s
not okay, but I really think you have to look to some extent effectively
at what, for example, yesterday has been done. Obviously, that is
neither healthy nor beneficial, but as they really all submit it to an ideal
world, then, obviously that must remain really without taking good note of how
badly I know how ridiculous the poor woman is. That' s what I
mean with you, as you' re describing now too, it' s
so ridiculous aesthetics. Well, there are those who give a damn about aesthetics,
but I think you have to keep the shapes a little bit, even
if you speak plainly and are confrontational, and yes yes and I don'
t know intentional in what you want to say, and you' re also
a person who goes to the dialectical clash, but with arguments, with arguments
or against arguments, in disagreements and so on. But this thing about the
machine, the mud, the armentry, the three ultra- rights and the
three ultra- lefts plus the terrorists, the ex- terrorists, the ETA,
those that are much worse, it' s much worse than that doesn
' t exist on the ultra- left, it doesn' t exist,
at least in its diclonary, in its say in its Insulex. There is
not only the ultra- right and it is really a mistake in that sense,
in typifying from that time that the Popular Party also what in the last
Now, all I know a little, President Pedro Sanchez, is tra is
an anodino discourse. Moreover, it is that Feijón is not far- right,
it is center- right, and the Popular Party of Spain is a
center- right party that makes alliances with him, with you, because it
is the only party that can do it. Obviously, on the left,
he doesn' t want to do anything with them or with the left.
Usually, some specific exfections, such as the Barcelona City Council that has given
Coibón the position, are very punctual things, but that usually not now if
it is doing the same and worse with the ultra left and with the terrorists
included in the sack. I mean, it means that, but what criticisms
of what it is, is that this is so absurd and so far-
fetched that I am ashamed to see, for example, now the European elections
and that the media also speak so much at the level of Europe that if
the ultra- right is winning, then and indeed they have grown, but
in any case, there is a moderately stable bloc where the popular are,
there are socialists and, curiously, in Europe many proposals have worked together.
Yeah. Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? The
problem is what we have here from the People' s Party and the Socialists,
who are not able to reach any agreement, because one does not want
and the other stays because you leave and because I stay, that is,
really in the end for each other and the house without sweeping not because you
notice. How paralyzed are the things being done. Well, the legislative power
is a total penalty, It is like in Catalonia, among the sainete of
the elections pre- good the sainete of the referendum, that that is impossible
mission. They have to be the third- thirds of the House and there
can be no trapping there as long as there is no constitutional change that they
are not possible today, even if there are some trappings that have been made
with Amnesty, but at that level it cannot be done and I am still
amazed that journalists are talking about this. A national referendum cannot be called.
It cannot be constitutionally impossible. It means talking about this to waste time,
when we have an endless list of needs. It is all semi paralyzed in
a region as important as Catalonia, in stands, in doctors and nurses,
with the deficit of medical care, in centers, of cats, of outpatients.
There are countless issues parked in the drought. Thank God it' s
raining these days, but having a forward- looking view of salicinizers and other
practical issues, there' s a lot, there' s an endless list
of things. And talking about the Los Angeles sex guys. And while the
Turks are invading constantino pla, while the fathers of the time of the Church
were speaking in themselves at the tip of a pin there were how many angels
there were. The Turks were invading Constantinople means that we are eaten by those
who eat bedbugs, but we have to work clearly and if you would say
that this does not cost anything really July, for we would say finally hear
what we are going to do to him no, but it is that we
have to see the money per day that costs to keep in these characteristics a
Parliament practically paralyzed and that care has already begun to transcend to other powers of
the State, as is, for example, the judiciary. The judiciary is
being overloaded to try to defend something that the Constitution grants to it, which
is its own independence. Look at what happened yesterday with the proposal made by
the President. Yes, it' s danger That' s very dangerous.
That would create a revolt not only of the entire opposing political class, but
of civil society. That would generate a real social revolution. That won'
t dare do it. It' s a bravado of yours, because that
' s a brutal constitutional insurrection. It is true that there is no agreement
there for the political interests of each other, but unilaterally to control the judiciary,
which is what Sanchez wants. Then the love bar. Then that would
be a social but brutal mess. It would paralyze a lot of things,
there would be a sit- down strike and democracy would be in danger.
He' d be in danger. Indeed, it is a serious problem.
It would be violated in a fragrant manner from the Constitution. They have said
the same legal thing, because this is not our field. If they don
' t talk to us, we don' t understand the seriousness of what
the President really is, from the executive branch, really posing for the purposes
of not seeing you, the College of Prosecutors has already come out of saying
that this is really appropriate. Of course, what he is proposing and the
statement was practically filmed yesterday. But I see that not only is one really
paralyzed, but the judiciary is actually having difficulties, too, look at the
Amnesty Act. Now everything is in consultation and that means a judiciary that is
already overburdened accurately to put it in a process of greater relatization. You understand
me there. So that' s a shame. A reform of the judiciary
should not be undertaken, because the roles of the judiciary are clearly set out
in what is to be blocked is the General Council of the Judiciary, that
this must be reactivated by the mediation that has been tried by Europe, by
the European Commissioner. There' s been no way, but there has to
be. There has to be. That' s true, because that has
to be reactivated. What the current government intends to do is to control the
General Council of the Judiciary to bring disgust to its sardine and trap it,
as well as the issue of the democratic quality package that Sanchez wants to do
to silence the media that are somehow different from those that disagree with the political
criteria of the Government. Then this man is desperate. Here' s a
mess, be men, it' s wrong. Apart from all the troubles,
now the brother, the wife, we' ll see how the cabbage
ends, the Tito Berni about the results, which are more than precarious this
political improvisation thing before. I think he' s very nervous. It'
s clear, uh, even though he tries not to look like it,
uh, he has to be anyway. Apart from that, practically a sword
of Damocles hangs in this situation, because notice if in Catalonia it does not
really come together that government that is formed, is going to have to call
new elections and definitely more waste time and it will leave very poorly positioned to
him, with which practically believe that it will have to simultaneously, also convoorte
to the elections he, with which it would end the government is that you
know remember what we are talking about today and that nobody hears us, I
will not say it, has no wide political spare parts of a leader like
him, so cynical and so much the verborrhea that he has and besides,
it is presentable, as well as pretty girls and all that, all that
he has. There is not one right now who has that profile of the
party leader, neither male nor female, neither of the sexes. The only
one, the only one possible, very possible, remember what I tell you
when Sanchez falls, because he' s going to fall before the end of
the year or by far in the first semester of next year, he'
s going to have to call elections and he' s going to lose them.
Evidently, and he' s going to be gone. I don'
t know where, but the only one who has a profile more or less,
sort of isn' t Salvador. She is the one who surely the
new candidate who would not win the elections, but who would be the candidate
to lead the Socialist Party works his Spanish I preconce it to you, because
he is a more temperate man. It is regardless of whether it is his
master' s voice, he is forced right now, but the milder one
is more serene, he has a well- furnished head within what socialism is.
It is among the oldest and most current. It moves in an intermediate
way. He' s a negotiator, he knows how to agree and he
doesn' t go that far on some issues, as you' re going
along with him, and obviously he' s seeing himself there today that he
' s been able to sing the guy, even though he' s been
practically sloppy by the pro- independences, because he' s won the elections.
He' s won. However, it is very likely that it will
not do any good. That' s not a bad thing about losing independence.
The failure of the independence movement is worse that it is much worse than
with convergence and unity and Puyol, who still had a primacy over Catalonia,
that is, they have gone to the oldest of the lun is that it
is a collapse of the discourse. If I were an independentist, an ideologist
of independence, it could obviously be what I am not moderate. I'
d say we' re going to have a medium- and long- term
strategy. Let' s work differently. We' ve had our balloon punctured.
We' re not going to get to Itaka, as Yuis jack says
to our Utopian island delusion. Let' s go, we have to make
a series of pacts and walk one way and unwind others. And, of
course, an attempt was new, because the powers of the state would be
much more aggressive as one. They' re not gonna do it. That
' s not what they' re gonna say. I know they won'
t, because that' s just talking for talking. But and it would
be much more severe. But we' re kind of paralyzed. If you
realize, I fight clearly this July and how they are there, there is
a chance that the independenceists will actually come to form government and Parmeno will not.
I' ve added up It doesn' t count. No. No.
No. No. The Socialist Party would be divided. In addition,
the Socialist Party and I know it because inside I have information now there is
a force and also in the other party. It seems to me that it
is that Republican in Catalonia who have said that with her nothing good is in
front of the gallery. Above all, it is going through low hours and
the Republicans have to regroup, It has to reassemble politically until then there is
also its congress in November. It' s just that Oriol Dungueras may be
re- elected again. Marta Rovira is there now, but Marta Rovira is
not a person, she does not have the capacity that Oriol Junkeras has.
I don' t see another leader in sight, you don' t see
it' s also an assembly party. But with it, I think it
' ll be Oriol Jungeras and good and they' ll come back. They
are able to agree because they are more, although they have every three minutes
to say we want the referendum, we want Amnesty. Well enigy, so
it' s been possible. You understand that in the short term you have
to agree, because you have to move forward, you have to move forward.
They' re no more pro than you should all really start looking for
mini agreements, even if it' s minimal, so that the topic starts
to work. And then demon disappears the scene when it will be clearly exonerated
at the end. Well, now with the subject of imputation, the embezzlement
of funds, that' s going to have it raw and they' re
going to put off their Amnesty a lot. But we' ll see if
it' s possible in the end. But in any case, once this
soap is finished, he disappears. It' s my political intuition. He
' s leaving now he' s trying to make all care within everyone,
he' s the one who' s spoken out the clearest. Hey,
he said what he thought, he said what he was going to do,
and he always says what he' s going to do. He doesn'
t cheat, he has the political itch to have, no, but in
terms of saying things, he' s the clearest of all. So you
first talked about the issue and in a clear way. And that, of
course, also marks in a matter of contention. Let' s say,
no, yeah, well, we have those parts. Notice that the case
of Koldo, the Begoña, Gomez and all that were like eclipsed when the
brawl appeared on the other hand a little more. But this Cainite culture in
Spanish politics has to end. I don' t know how the aggressiveness from
the ultra- i e, from the left to the right and from the
ultra- left, and from the ultra- right, towards each other,
is going to be taken care of. This Cainite violence does not mean that
they are cursed, they hate each other to death and, moreover, they
do not reach their hands by little, and it is that neither many of
them are spoken of, that is, that no, it has no political
elegance at that level. But I don' t know how to raise a
voice that says what you think, but that is a conciliatory voice of gentlemen.
Let us express our differences, but we must have limits in terms of
improperities and gratuitous disqualifications. Let us defend our positions with arguments to the point
of satiety, but let us not be in this Cainite struggle. There should
be no respect indeed. Of course, we must continue to work with the
issue of ethics and aesthetics We must have qualities and characteristics that are exemplary in
that sense, because we must not forget that we do not represent ourselves,
represent us to a soma, to a party, but are representing the citizenry,
who really considered them to be valid personalities to be able to represent them
and what a small representation they are making of those voters. No, then
that really is a shame that another problem that the current government has is the
issue of adding the resignation, because I think it has been consistent with the
formation, the new formation, adding that it was grouping and directing Yolanda Díaz,
I think they say well, why not resign as Vice- President.
Well maybe it would be your thing but well, at least at the training
level. In fact, I believe that it has been consistent and, of
course, that will generate gibberish on the left as well. And there'
s another problem there, too, sanchez, but well, strange dwarfs come
out everywhere. Some things are predictable, others, of course, are emerging
on the road, not as the case of adding that no longer adds up.
Of course, so everyone is seeing how they really fix this question that
if it is for the Party' s aspiration, which is not going to
arrive at the party, it continues to stay in that conglomerate of small parties
that will, of course, try to move forward along the way. And,
on the other hand, Yolanda Diaz is leaving, but she' s
not leaving. Not that is also true, because it leaves that which hurts
it, but it stays in that which adds it, it is forgiven to
struggle, they are going to have to go all within not much, because
this is inexhaustible the situation that there water is made everywhere. But, in
the meantime, the country needs to be governed and led and people working on
what needs to be done, on operational issues, on the needs of citizens,
which are many, because if we work July, of course because we
have to pay our taxes, we have to pay our living costs. And
obviously, the ones who don' t work are just them fighting, so
hopefully they' ll be the first to set the example. If you stop
fighting and work. I think that article I have is if I were in
the Congress of Deputies. Perhaps it does not vary in my case, but
I assure you that I would go up to the rostrum and put a quarrel
with those on the right and those on the left, to some and others,
to some more than others, because they are the ones responsible that are
increasingly generating an embroiderment. That in those workers in which we have to get
up early early in order to be able to do our homework, to have
to fulfill all the commitments the Julio entrepreneurs themselves have to work to face challenges
and that really, because it is not so little so pastry everything, because
you have seen it has been a little scared, a little there below the
issue of wars and conflicts, but there they are marking the prices of oil,
etcetera, etcetera, that complicates us. I' m thinking of all
the citizenship you have to do and do your duty. So what you really
expect from your politicians is that you solve the part that belongs to them.
But really, because it is not possible, they should have at least a
little compassion from all of us. No yes, then we have the international
stage. Still the conflict and in between, which is what is getting all
the attention, still the conflict between the Gaza Strip and the terrorists. Never
control him and never and that conflict really, unfortunately, the population of Assati
is in the middle of this matter and we are suffering the dos which,
on the other hand. Nor do I hear in all the images that I
see the statements that there are none that you have ever spoken of. They
all speak evil of Israel. Of course, hatred, hatred is inaccurate,
hatred and animosity towards Israel from the cradle inoculate this in the nurseries already to
hate Israel to death and they are clearly within that strip that is Israeli territory,
of course. And well this could have been maintained. Badly good,
because from time to time the rockets launch those which is ridiculous, but who
would have the enemy operational. But then the madness they committed by killing almost
1, 300 people and kidnapping 250 people. That was the triggers of this
madness and the civilian population is painful. It gives me the heart to see
the deaths of the innocent, that Israel is relentlessly attacking, that this war
has to end, yes, it does have to be fought. What'
s going to happen is that they' re going to militarize the entire Gaza
Strip, and obviously, they' ve already broken up a bunch of miles
of tunnels and real dustbins that the UN is clearly saying that, but in
UN headquarters were the terrorists sheltered with weapons. It' s never too often
that there' s some complicity in these who are there. And this isn
' t right. There' s practically a sixty percent say it' s
part of the support. There is never any other part that may be in
some neutral way because of the circumstance is indeed a victim of the issue,
but it is the apparatus of never i e they understand that this is a
heroic mission that they have to do for their people and they have that is
what they have eaten the coconut. Obviously, and as long as there are
these positions, unfortunately, Israel will continue to crush what it is doing.
And the other problem is when the peace agreements come, they don' t
really want the agreements look at you. Now the one who has put practically
the difficulties in the last agreement that the United States has put forward is never
or ever said that not to accept those conditions from which they have put,
when it is their population that is suffering. There' s not going to
be a good war. They' re gonna have to come to a bad
deal, which is better than a good war. July, because and that
on both sides no longer even speak in this sense of those who started this
whole story, who are those of never. If these poor people, regardless
of whether they tell us anything because they' re aligned, they' re
also very influenced, but they' re also afraid. They are very afraid
of reprisals, which might suppose saying something is fear also what more reprisal they
are going to be to the poor if they have been massacred, they have
killed almost thirty- five thousand thirty and I do not know how the number
of victims is going now. It' s for the people to get up
and tell them if they don' t leave them anymore or sit down to
negotiate or leave us alone. Really, because, if not, they are
the perfect shield where they camouflage clearly, of course you' re commenting,
of course it is. There has to be a cut- off point of
this story, because if it is not going to follow the fact, the
death of the innocent is what most constrains us and all the people of good
is evident, I am eager that the war will stop for that reason and
that, obviously, Israel will militarize the whole area and control it, because
with that it will do it and do what is so clear to the one
who moves, they will remove it from the middle, because the moment they
stop and stop that for some way, because it is difficult to see those
images where people have already come to us, it will be July, where
they really move them, they attack them do, because the others are moving.
The intelligence service must also be working the mosaic in this regard and the
military intelligence service so that they can actually locate the targets. And those targets
have almost always been where the Russian population is, because it' s their
shield. Well, they' ve already dismantled a very high percentage of military
targets of never the only thing, which is the invasion of the strip and
militarization. But that would stop the war and stop the deaths the end of
the war, at least that they say well, the question of two states,
of who will speak of two states now, with all this situation,
if it was never the one that generated all this terrible situation of deaths and
unthinkable attacks and Israel will not give in and more, what Israel is like.
Everything he does is not right, done as we say, but,
obviously there is one reality and there is something else. We have to.
It has to defend its population, it has to defend to some extent as
well. Its State is a State and with technology far superior to that of
the other States around it, as they have. Obviously, then they'
re going to use it. Of course, the others don' t want
to mess with them anymore because they don' t want to. But notice
you will see here on this Sunday 16th June, at six o' clock
in the afternoon, here in the Plaza shan Yauma, in front of the
Palau government, of generality, there will be a call from all the Jewish
communities and organizations of Catalonia. They are making a call, but they are
also calling the Christian people to good, mostly the evangelicals, mostly the Pentecostals,
who the others also have a very particular political argument to not get wet
with anything, nor only from the trench criticize. But the question is that
some thousands of people will be summoned for the first time, to protest against
the anti- Semitism that exists in our country, which is being promoted by
the Spanish Government. He has never congratulated the Spanish Government three times three times,
never three times. And then the conflicts he' s seeing with the
embassies of Israel and Spain. Then they will also claim the release of the
hostages who are still being kidnapped and they will also express their solidarity with Israel,
with historic Israel, with Israel that has the right to survive and live
in peace, regardless of whether it is distressing on a humanitarian issue, the
deaths of innocent people. I' ve talked to the organizers and I say
this to me, it breaks my heart. But they' re going out.
And they are going out, because with all right, everyone is going
against it and they are going to come out to claim that it will be
Sunday afternoon the Plaza San Jauma, where many, many will see a few
thousand that they will say and it seems good to me, it cannot be
otherwise we really, because we are out of love and sympathy that to some
extent we have that people and because our God asks us and that we really
cry for the place and that the peace of Jerusalem. Peace in Israel is
a peace that affects the Julio world, because it is a peace that is
not ours, it is not human, It is a peace of God that
really comes and we are convinced that it will bring peace also in the midst
of that conflict. We believe that prayer in that sense has power. It
is a tool that God has given us, but that really comes from him
and that is very powerful, without a doubt, and that must be supported
from our hides, because really anti- Semitism is a pernicious ideology that is
growing in these times, because we have practically forgotten what happened in the time
of the Nazis, that really ruthless action. They were losing the war.
They needed to transport resources so that the troops could function on the German front.
And one of the things that wasn' t explained was why those provisions
didn' t come in and it was because the two of them were moving
Jews to the concentration camps to exterminate him. So it was that thought that
we really know it today by history, obviously, and so you have to
be very careful with this one and you have to support everything that comes in
that sense so that you know that we are also what we don' t
think like them. But and the denialists of history and, moreover, the
quantity, the expulsion of all the Jewish Sephardic of Spain, in a way,
the spoliation that was made to them, they were stripped of their goods,
of the marvels, not only of Spain, but of the Peninsula,
and we say that the Iberian Peninsula is also Portugal, that we do forget
our brothers. There was no Portugal. It did not yet exist, it
was the Kingdom of Spain. Then it was a little later. But the
question is that ancestral anti- Semitism. And there' s a question.
We do not agree with all Israel' s political actions, because they also
make mistakes. But cursing Israel has consequences. It has consequences. It is
a people chosen by God and it is, regardless of whether God wants them
to come to repentance like anyone else. But to faith in Christ Jesus the
true messiah. But there is a final awakening according to Bible prophecies for Israel.
But and there are currently about fifteen zero Messianic Jews who are truly non
- gentle Jews who become Jews like these, who go with all this paraphernalias,
that is, messianism, which is a scroll of whereabouts of those of
fright, that the Messianic Jews themselves complain because they say, discredit us with
these quagmires that these make. But the truth is that Israel has divine promises,
because it is a people chosen by God. Yes, it was the
vehicle. Then he came out, he was dead and through that we came
to be blessed. But now we have to arouse Israel to jealousy, as
the apostle Paul No. But in the meantime, there is a premise and
a number of scriptures telling us to bless Israel as God' s beloved people
and the one who curses. Israel has consequences, a country that curses the
real one has. Well, we' re already seeing him and we'
re gonna see him. Unfortunately, this is the point of view as far
as we are concerned, I was seeing in digital Protestant. Well, the
other day we interviewed Mario Escobar and he published La Librera de Madrid. It
is one of his books, which is what is precisely an evangelical bookshop.
It was there in the future, in the flietners and all these people,
and good has turned this into a novel. But it says something very interesting.
Cobalt Marios. We should read to learn and not repeat mistakes of the
past. You think people read the Bible. It is still read among us,
or it is only man Sundays. I think there is a percentage that
reads the Bible, but there is also another percentage that does not actually read
more than what corresponds to the day in a hurry and running and the Bible
is a book that needs to be read with entertainment, you have to meditate,
you have to have a systematic reading of it really. And because,
apart from that, it' s interesting because I usually say that the Bible
is addictive, as the Lord retraction is addictive, because it really gets you
hooked when you realize, you' ve spent more time than you actually had
to some extent destined for it. And surely we don' t read as
much as we would like or as necessary, read each and every one of
us. But there is, of course, a percentage of brothers who do
not have time. There' s Julio. I don' t know in
the other churches, but in ours there' s a reality of people who
work twelve thirteen hours in, say, their jobs, low- paid jobs
and that' s the bulk of what I have. Then I can'
t ask the poor any more. Yeah, all I' m doing is
good, at least take the pill so we can say we can make up
for it. That is not true, but I am also thinking about the
Spanish population. Not that good. The population is different. I don'
t think you really read very little here, although it' s curious because
I always love watching when television focuses. That' s the book party.
Here at the retreat and see the number of books commented I say hey it
seems surprising. It really must be that people still read. He told him,
because grandeur of materials and people passing by thousands, thousands to autographs,
to such. But I don' t think that to some extent the Book
of the Bible is really the most popular in the population, except in the
collectives, like us or the Catholic collective, because there are Catholics who read
the Bible to that extent too few, but there are of course, so
I think that our population really does not know this wonderful book, an exceptional
book, a book that, as our good friend Joaquin Llebra says, was
special peacefully prepared to be translated. He said no, all the books are
ready to be translated. The translationability of the Bible is precisely a characteristic that
shows us that God intended that that message could really be spread to every language
in the world and that, evidently, already shows a wonderful characteristic. But,
apart from that, knowledge, the wisdom that history has. I am
now reading a little bit of Paul' s travels and that narrative, the
documentation that Luke establishes is really unique. You know geography is exciting, of
course, yes, but obviously, you' re missing all that. Let
' s read the Bible. You' re Carlos us. It does not
happen to me if a pastor does not read the Bible, does not study
the Bible, does not meditate on the Bible and does not internalize it.
And because it' s a vital part, it' s the teacher,
it' s the master' s book of life. In my opinion,
the Bible. But when you walk through the Bible, the Bible and I
think you' ll agree with me. For example, the Bible has transformed
my life, it has transformed my way of understanding life, my worldview of
life, it has brought values that did not exist in me. The Bible
has also been. I listened to Pastor Juancano this morning who said the Law
of Jehovah is perfect, who converts the soul, Psalm nineteen and is good
truth, is the Psalm, The Law of Jehovah is perfect, the word
of God is perfect, which converts the soul, it is true converts.
It transforms and a metamorphosis in our whole, integrally ours, our being completely
and obviously produces very benign substantial changes and, moreover, it gives us an
approach in life, a new attitude to life. Moreover, the Bible provides
elements of success, of well- understood success, and success in meeting the
challenges of life. I don' t know if you' ll agree with
me. Yes, yes, totally agree and, of course, I believe
that to some extent, of course we live that and experience it every day,
We leave home with things already resolved. We go out to solve the
things and challenges we have to face in life, and many of them escape
our capabilities. But, without a doubt, writing, the Bible was a
fundamental element for us to rest. First, we can confidently trust God and
he will help us in what we are like to that. He sometimes knows
and sometimes we also know him and execute him. But, without a doubt,
it' s a book that helps you face life. I don'
t understand. People who do not have this knowledge, who are unprotected,
who say they lack the tools to be able to transform their realities, are
dispossessed of that. But the Bible in that regard brings us much sincerely.
We, on the same radio would not really have more content, because we
could report, bring a number of things today. But if we do not
have that word of life, which is in the written word of those promises
of God, we would have nothing good to communicate. There would be no
hope to communicate to people, and hope is not our July. The stone
in that sense is what God brings us in that we can trust what he
has told us, and he has the prevalence in those difficulties that are really
impossible to supply. I, particularly I' m living a stage in my
life where I' m really going to be a grandfather for the first time
and my daughter is in the first few months and well, I don'
t know why I' m talking. My grandson cannot be a child too,
but with my wife, for example, we have decided this challenge to
place him in the hands of Mr We weep day by day so that the
Lord, of his grace and his favor, sheds upon the life of my
daughter, upon the life of my grandson or my granddaughter who is being formed
and because one really knows the difficulties faced in that mystery of life by a
mother in the process of the child' s formation. How many questions can
be answered more with misinformation than with information as much as you read, because
life is a mystery July. But how nice to be able to rest in
the lord and to be able to tell the mother everything, to the mother
of the boy, to the girl in the womb, quiet, daughter,
everything will be fine. The Lord is in control and he has really designed
all these processes and you can trust him that these processes are effective in relation
to life. This is the case, of course, because it is the
hope we have left, not because there can really be things that have failed
in that process as well. We know very well. As pastors, we
have had to attend to situations where things really didn' t go well,
but others where things really went wrong and doctors said it was wrong and we
prayed and that boy, that girl was born perfect, perfect. Yeah,
it' s really unspeakable. So, all those things we' ve seen
Julio and that' s why I' m telling you in front of that
new challenge, for example, in my life I' m facing. How
much help is, in that sense the word of the Lord and trusting that
he is in command of that ship landing and that they will not shipwreck Julius.
That' s how it is, my friend. It is true that
pastors, like struggle and a servant and many more than ten zero pastors and
pastors in Spain, are notaries of supernatural divine interventions as well and not only
of social mediation, intervention, the resolution of human conflicts, as well as
spiritual ones that also have to do with human expressions and pastors and Banclicos are
agents of reconciliation and of people of good, but we also see divine interventions
on many supernatural occasions that leave us amazed and this also drives our faith struggle
hard bread. We spent an hour just talking awesome and listen my legs were
shaking this morning thinking I was gonna be an hour with you I say Julio.
And we' re going to be talking, because the main question that
came to me was what I' m going to talk to Julio about,
what' s interesting to say no, man, and I, of course,
has given a lot. Yes, hey, I' m sincerely grateful
yes, man, for your invitation and challenge no. Yeah, yeah,
no, no, of course not totally. Dear friend, I am sending
you a very affectionate embrace, God. Through next week we will also be
in Madrid. There I am sure that there is something special with the association
Luis Palao, that are and good and we have to do some things and
I do not know if we will see each other crossing paths over there and
at least give us a hug. Of course it is, if it'
s not possible, you know we' ve got it on, so we
owe each other a few hugs. Dear Julio, of course thank you for
having invited me, especially delighted for the whole audience and for the nice privilege
of being able to arrive and really, for it is a blessing for your
lives. So, thank you, dear Julio, for the opportunity forever,
friend, goodbye fight. Embrace God, Blessed Chao Chao, the train of
life, Vengutino life, I have guaviva me manescesita maste to testi ohriso mamaclamamasti
o sto temati con tomi oy o come I have of my soul ves hundred
more are satisfied mima, mama, csto with two or two o s o
lia mia vicecita más o de mes mushrooms abatassaransado, my waves to tired,
my o o o or yes. For safety use the belt. We'
ve replaced this announcement of nine hundred and seventy- three because not wearing the
seatbelt looks like a thing of the past. Let' s look at the
effects of a collision at 50 kilometers per hour cintions, but it' s
not. Today. One in four dead on the road was not wearing a
seatbelt. Put on a belt General Traffic Directorate, Ministry of the Interior,
Government of Spain and the project to study in the United States and teach them
how to play football are really Emilio and Raúl and one of them has schizophrenia,
but their dreams, like those of any one, have no limits.
Let' s not put them on us. Integration is always the best response
for the social inclusion of people with mental health problems, Ministry of Health,
Social Services and Equality Government of Spain travels on the train of life. Ladies
and gentlemen, we are already in direct line with Daniel Bañuls. Daniel Bañuls,
in addition to being a pastor, has been a pastor for many years
in missionary practice in different countries, including Equatorial Guinea. Also with his wife
and also pastor and is currently the Secretary General of the Web and is a
mobilizer of humanitarian emergencies, we already know him for years to and with a
mobilization at high level, truly reflecting with container trucks going pa here, if
it was Ukraine, if it was Turkey, if it is now, then
also in Ivory Coast, wherever there is a real need. There' s
Daniel Bayules, as a humanitarian emergency mobilizer, and we have him here now
in direct line with us. Daniel, welcome, man, how are we,
at what point we were at now? Good morning, good morning,
Julio, well, you find yourself in good health and we are alive,
so we have to be grateful no yes, gentlemen, I think that to
start the day or week we have to start with gratitude. Yeah, that
' s right, that' s right, Daniel. How many years I
remember you in many ways, in many actions, both missionary on the ground,
also managing questions of the web, but also as a mobilizer of humanitarian
emergencies, but many before, already from the dawn of solidarity and here,
of that yearla and so many things. How many years ago, more or
less since we were working with the boom, more than thirty years ago,
we started it in the year ninety- four, with which now they will
soon turn forty, about this year and since we are involved in what we
would call international emergencies or humanitarian emergencies. Next year will be ten. Next
year we will be ten years old in September, because it started with the
tragedy that we will all remember since the Syrian War, when many Syrians began
to escape along the coast and reaching Turkey, arrived in Greece and Greece,
wanted to reach Germany. So those are images we all had on television and
that was September of the year two thousand fifteen. So that' s where
we started sending the first shipment and we haven' t stopped since. Yes,
next year, September of next year, it will be a decade.
Yes, yes, I remind you that even to these countries, I would
go to Ukraine and so many others that yourself on some of the trips where
they were sent or containers or trucks, trailers also good, one way or
another, by sea or land, on land, you yourself traveled to many
of these places. You' ve been presidentially doing and a few trips.
That' s how you experience this kind of unsettling adventure. Well, visiting
places is part of our usual strategy everywhere, all the destinations where we have
sent humanitarian aid. Obviously, we are sending it on behalf of many people,
many donors, and it is part of the strategy. To be there,
to see it, to be there, to see the shipment arrived well,
is very important to us, seeing what is happening today in our society.
It is very important to send a message of transparency and honesty and,
in fact, we do so from the faith also from the evangelical faith.
We therefore want it to be a credible testimony as well. So in all
destinations, we' ve all been physically present to see the circumstances we already
knew from hearsay, but we wanted to see them and see that the distribution
and distribution had been done correctly in some places. The visit at almost all
has been an ever painful, traumatic visit. It is never a pleasant trip
to, for example, now recently to Turkey and to see a whole city
like Antioch, totally destroyed. That' s not nice to see, but
it' s necessary. Nor is it nice to go to the war in
Ukraine and go by with the missiles. On top of that it' s
not nice, obviously, and the component of the adventure has it, but
in some places it' s not just adventure. He has a certain risk
too, but great gradiums, for in all places we have been blessed and
protected by God in all. Otherwise we' d be here and we'
d keep doing it. And the plan is to always continue to do all
the projects that we ship, in all the emergencies in which we can attend
and collaborate. To give faith, to give a constancy, like notaries,
to attest that what has been done is true and of what you helped me,
what you gave me looks there, it is there, it got there,
it was distributed and nothing was lost, and that is very important.
We believe that that transparency, we must maintain it and good in the journeys
that in the tragedies that will arrive, I hope not many, but those
that arrive lately head more. It' s an interesting detail to read in
code, in theological key, there' s more and more and I think
they say a lot of the times we' re living in, in all
the times we do, they' re all the ones we participate in,
we' ll be present. Well, I believe that in the name of
many and not just the evangelical community and the human community, because people like
you Daniel and thank you, thank you for being sensitive to these great human
needs and tragedies that ravage human lives and leave people in total destitution, in
destruction, in misery and in despair. And when they get this little help,
which is small, but which is a sum with those who also do
it, it is a breath of hope and, in addition to practical help,
theoretical demonstrative help. So, thanks to me, I think on behalf
of many for this work of so many years, I really appreciate it and
I think I speak it on behalf of many, Daniel, the work is
a very, very cooperative job. It is a joy to tell it this
way, because it is the work of many, of many volunteers, of
hundreds of donors, that the figure I cannot tell and that behind it there
are always many names, many faces that, in many cases, impact us
especially by their generosity, by their involvement, by the desire to serve,
by people who have never been in the place where they will arrive. The
container has not been and does not pretend to be, but it does want
to help then that disinterested help, unknown but at the same time very much
involved. To us. In each container, in each shipment, we always
have very shocking flavors of having met people with whom we are going to sleep
in memory. They are people left in our memories and they are people who
sometimes usually do what they do is repeat and usually, when they have made
an experience, they have been happy and pay a little to this crazy club
in which we are involved. So, thank God, I said, thank
God, first for him, for God because he opens the doors to us,
they don' t know the possibilities and back percent and hundreds of volunteer
churches, not ngs, schools, municipalities, entities that decide to join.
That something that in every container we make new friends, obviously, and friends
I would say like the song that no friends forever not that unites us the
desire to help others. And it' s a very great blessing. I
am the first beneficiary, without any doubt, and my team of volunteers too,
of course, listen now we have the issue, the challenge of urgent
humanitarian aid to Côte d' Ivoire. Talk to us, how we can
describe the situation and how we can collaborate with each other, because Côte d
' Ivoire is a project in which theoretically we were already involved a long time
ago, about ten eight or ten years ago, that we are sending very
small activities and projects, projects that we call micro projects and that we are
very happy because they are working very well. They' re unambitious, but
they' re working very well. We have built a well of water,
we have helped a vocational school of war children, of children who were formerly
child soldiers. We have made scholarships for nurses, we have made many small
things that are working and Costa de Marcísima has been an easy country, a
country in which everything we have done somehow worked and worked well. Notable ease
is very good. The last project, which is the one we embarked on
about a quarter ago, two months ago, has been to know that we
have there in a project that we have already collaborated in an orphanage that is
called the poponier is an orphanage managed by the evangelical churches of Ivory Coast,
which told us that they have many children, more and more orphaned children,
who have lost their mother, father or both, and who told us that
recently they were receiving many children, that we would call them children of cariz,
of newborn children, like all the children, but in small format,
in premature format, are not the children who would normally be saved by going
to the hospital seven mesinos we called them before and that they had been born
because perhaps with a kilo, with two little ones, but that with a
medical care they were normally saved. And they were telling us that there they
were receiving many premature children of this, but that some of them were dying
for lack of medical management, for lack of something as simple as an incubator.
So we react. We said well, we will try to get at
least one incubator so that it can be useful and we realized that the project
was very daring by incubators. They' re hard to get. Hospitals here,
in Barcelona, in Catalonia, in Spain maintain a minimum ratio of incubators,
because there are very few cases of premature children in our country. It
is logical in childbirths are very controlled, pregnant women are very controlled and there
are very few women who had premature children and the few who are born this
way hospitals keep their incubator or two or three that they have for such cases.
So we realized with sadness that it would be difficult to keep our word.
So we decided that, in addition to sending an incubator, if it
arrived and we could take advantage to send a container, so we asked them
what needs they had and clear the list was very large. They didn'
t just need an incubator, they gave food, they gave babies clothes,
they gave medical supplies, all kinds of things that the list, you'
re pretty much seeing there now on the screen. The list got long.
So, we published the list, published the needs and always prioritized that we
were looking for incubators. But at the same time, if we didn'
t get equatories, we were going to take them a container of everything they
asked for along the way. We have come to realize these months of April
May that the issue of the incubator was too difficult and we started with our
own volunteers, to make a bold decision, the innovative decision, which is,
if we don' t get to have really play- offs, let
' s say from hospital, we' re going to build ours. So
we decided to build a well- designed project, a smart home incubator project
that we already have in place, that already exist and that we have already
created, a prototype that works, works perfectly. And what we are going
to do is send that prototype with the materials to build many more, letting
them build them right there, that is, that they have a knowledge transfer,
with transfer of materials, but at the same time that they do it
alone so that in the future, when there is need for more and more
incubators in other places, they will be able to build them. So,
while we were creating the prototype, it began to arrive, as usual,
donations of all kinds, from friends, from families, from churches, from
NGOs, from all kinds of people and cargo, the warehouse has been filling
up and we have a container that is straight to fill up. And the
good news, the good news we already thought we could not give, is
that we have finally received three real incubators from hospital that have arrived from a
hospital in Girona and from the SEU hospital in the north of the Pyrenees.
So we' ll have three incubators, actually plus about, three or four
machines for similar to an incubator to have what they call a thermal crib,
a thermal deparing machine that provides heat to the baby. So we were surprised
that we thought we wouldn' t have it. Perhaps we lacked fet and
now we have all the qualifiers we wanted, the qualifiers we created ourselves just
in case and many material donations are coming on the list we have published to
you. So, thank God, the container, if it is not full,
we are in three rooms, it will soon and well, thank God,
all the needs that our brothers and the shepherds there of Ivory Coast asked
us, because they are being answered and they are being fulfilled. I already
say the container, very probably we will be filling it up and, if
God wants to send it right after the Archist of San Juan, so at
the end of this month, about the twenty- eighth day, it would
be our wish to be able to bill it, fill it and send it
all to the port and from the port to Ivory Coast. So this is
the dream and plan that we' re getting involved in these last few weeks.
How beautiful, how important and how timely this action in favour of Côte
d' Ivoire and that great need that exists that you are trying to attend
to. But freight is worth a high cost of shipping the containers and we
can collaborate. I see there' s an account here. We have a
KAIXA account. The Ivan is that twenty- eight two thousand hundred which is
the number of the KAIXA. Zero eight hundred twenty- eight, sixty-
one, two, zero, seventy- four and fifteen thirteen. Let'
s put all this in detail in the post we' ve passed on to
you before. There' s the account number also included in this one I
got from you, Daniel. I think so. Yes, exactly. Let
' s have it there on our wave walls for Radio, my personal wall,
also so that all the listening friends who are tuning us in anywhere in
Spain in solidarity we collaborate with this urgent relief action, with this emergency and
also with everything that is being prepared, because there is one behind another here.
This is unstoppable. I look into this month and the previous month.
In the previous one I have received several initiatives actions from Daniel who, of
course, I call him the unstoppable. And of course it is that when
someone is in the pit and is seeing what there is to see and mobilizing
to him, but it mobilizes us that with economic contributions, apart with material
help, if we have the goods that he suggests to us or is asking
us. Well, there' s a lot of solidarity there. I am
amazed to see how people who are in solidarity in this country. This is
a gift we have as a true country, Daniel. There is no doubt
about this, there is no doubt about it. I believe that, of
course, we have many shortcomings and still have difficulty confronting them. But one
virtue that I believe has, our society is generosity, solidarity, when we
know of something that is happening to someone, as we know that we are
better, we know that we are inevitably, even if we go through difficulties,
we continue to see the first world, we continue to live in Europe,
we know that other places have worse. And when someone tells us and
is credible, because the truth is, yes, people react. And you
' d be surprised to see the sometimes unusual answers we sometimes get. There
are people who give a lot more than you would pretend to believe, you
think maybe. A widowed lady gives you an example of what I have in
mind, a widow who spends justly with the pension you can imagine, that
is, the very scarce pension, but when I tell her everything I tell
her and she always tells me, please, don' t hide anything from
me. When I tell her, she reacts to this woman in a way
that I think is better, like the widow of the Bible, it is
like the case of the widow of life, that is, giving her little,
that gives much more than she should. And the truth is that these
cases are the ones that stimulate me, they are the ones that fill me
with joy, of seeing that people want to help, that people want to
participate in projects of that kind and what they need is to tell them,
they need to know, they need to know and, really, it is
credible. Evidently, not frustrating, not disappointing. And usually people, as
I used to tell you before, because some are already subscribers. Then they
are already perpetual collaborators, then they are aimed at a bombing then every action
we have, obviously, all are necessary. We don' t do any
for frivolity. All we do are necessary. And it is, of course,
also for an orphanage with children who have a hard time and who die
because of something as simple as the incubator, because we thought we had to
solve it. Then we ship the container. Now, in June and after
the summer, we will go there in September to visit him, to see
how everything has gone and to see that sure everything has gone well, to
see the delivery that has been made and as the container is probably bigger than
what they need, we will make a double delivery. We' re going
to do first for the evangelical orphanage that we' re sending help and everything
we' re going to spare that I' m sure it' s going
to be left over? We are going to donate to the hospitals of the
region, hospitals that are not linked to us, but that are necessary hospitals,
that do a great job and we are going to give them everything that
comes to us, that an orphanage cannot absorb, so everything that comes to
us is going to go to the hospitals of the area of the region or
of the province of Man. This is called the Mn Man province, which
is where the orphanage is. In principle. We have some photographs that I
will also upload to the pages that are very descriptive about the pallets of the
whole provision, also of both milks and a series of topics also of first
necessity. And also here are the apparatuses, which are the ones that you
have spoken to us the incubators, how interesting to see them And it goes
so that our listeners, those who want to access the page of wave for
radio and there my wall, will see the photographs the orphanage of Ivory Coast,
where they are sent in the containers the Poiner pom with its director,
Juliet and Art. The French word hard to translate because little even in French
is doll. So I don' t know in Spain we couldn' t
translate it. It' s like the doll shop, the doll shop,
or the dollhouse. It' s good, the little doll house. They
' re kids, babies, all from zero to two years old, and
that' s the name the orphanage is questioning. The poponie. It'
s kind of like the doll house house. That' s right, and
here we have them. Yeah, let' s see the photographs of the
orphanage itself as well. We' re going to upload them so that our
listeners who want to access see it. But, ladies and gentlemen, let
' s all collaborate there, the Facebook Light skirt is also showing up the
data from the Kaisha account so that they can agree to make their contributions,
already to make the freight. That freight is very expensive, very expensive,
but good are part of the plan. And there we have to send and
in all the peripheral expenses, which are many, and in other previous projects
and others that are in the making. Therefore, everything you always know is
well invested by Daniel. The truth is that this is your home when you
want your speaker, which is also ours in solidarity to collaborate and help those
who need it most. Thank you very much for your support and from here
also my greeting to your audience. I' m sure there are people among
what they hear that they can react and they can get involved and I'
m sure there are people in solidarity. There' s no doubt about it.
You' ll have a lot of supportive listeners. So, then,
as Julio says, everyone here has the account to support, to add up.
If someone wants to bring materials, we can still receive food that we
are also prioritizing the delivery of basic food, basic food that is not going
to expire and that well, if someone still wants to join and attract food,
because also, of course, they still fit, we can still put
more stuff into that wonderful content dear Daniel Te I send a big hug friend.
Thank you very much, I embrace everyone. Until always there is a
man who, when speaking kingdoms, tremble is his principal name, is the
powerful name, the name astonishments, Jesus. And only by uttering I'
m sorry for his presence and my heart doesn' t prostrate a thousand songs.
I will sing with my voice, I will raise up Jesus mag so
if so so and glory itself, that when you observe His greatness, I
tremble and worship Him. It belongs to them. My desire is only at
your feet to worship me. Jesus and his hand is to sustain the universe
and his immense command was to contain what is difficult to explain all that urgency
of that age. Jeson ms po or yes it is case so and Gloria,
so lord or so and so yes, I, Jess so and Gloria
am my severe is or those on the train of life, life hello,
friends, I am Julio Perez. You know I' m the director of
the radio show, the weekly Magaxing, the train of life. And it
does nothing less than thirty- two years that we travel through many human landscapes
and many curiosities and things of life, earthly life and heavenly life. I
also have the joy of telling you that I have published my book, a
book that has to do with the train of life. There are fifty selected
articles written by me. There are six seasons and in each season there is
a section of eight reflections, temporary reflections for an eternal destiny These are the
things I tell in this book. They are perfections, analysis, experiences,
comments that other curiosity also in those fifty reflections, in those six stations,
until we reach the term station that there is also a section, a very
important block. This book can already be found on Amazon on the editorial platform
of Amazón. Traveling on the train of life is called the book. It
' s the title of the book Traveling on the Train of Life. Julio
Pérez, a server is the author. Then there you can well know that
the train tells us about journeys through life. Life is a kind of living
parable, like a running train, that there are so many sensations and so
many experiences within the train. And what we are looking at inside and what
we see from the train out, because there I propose that you be able
to access this book, look at this book. I' ve done it
with a lot of love. I think there are things that are very dear,
very very intimate, and others not so intimate, are very open,
but it is a book that I have done from the heart and with the
heart traveling on the train of life. It is the title of a Julio
Pérez server on Amazon' s editorial platform. You can find him. The
book has a cost of fifteen euros in about 180 pages, and everything collected
from that book is invested, reinvested in the radio project of Onda Paz or
NAPU and in the train of life. Of course it is part of the
project so that this is put on and kept going as long as it never
stops So, I remind you and I thank you in advance for buying my
book on the Amazon platform, traveling on the train of the life of a
Julio Pérez server. Thank you always so but everyone travels on the train of
life, well, dear ones, friends and friends, today we speak with
a loud voice and, clearly as our friend don yao usually speaks tomorrows also
in his lawyer, a man of letters, a man who knows what he
speaks about today more than the social and political chronicle that we usually address.
And that' s the rabid stuff today. Today we want to talk about
conversion, Christian conversion, not conversion from the euro, to the dollar,
or conversion from the dollar to the euro, but Christian conversion. Well,
let' s board a little. This issue is true. This experience is
a mirage, a chimera, a transformational reality in the life of a human
being. Well, let' s see if we can get him to explain.
This has been discussed by theologians, writers and, of course, humanists
in many forums. Well, let' s see if today we can draw
some conclusions to know if we experience, if it is true that there is
an authentic conversion and if we are in that wave, if even many we
want to have had an experience of Christian conversion, it is not such.
It is not experienced by a purely fleeting light, but there are no roots
in the soul that confirm this experience that goes with it. Well, then,
let' s talk to don ya or mayanas. Very good morning,
dear, Yauma, very good morning, Julys, very good morning also to
all listeners. Thank you, man, you' ve already missed conversion.
I know it' s a subject you' re passionate about. Christian conversion
is a psychological manipulation, as some suggest, either in religious key or is
a supernatural experience. At best, I' d say it' s something
that' s very interesting, because many issues have to do with your desire
for change. Many people, at the beginning of each year you know or
at the end of thirty- one December, make New Year' s purposes,
in purposes that do not usually go beyond two or three, but rarely
come to the hour day because they are based on the desire of the human
being to change, the desire of the human being, to see that there
are things that do not work in his life and to say good, for
something must be done. And this year that well, we will sign up
to the gym and start the regime and we will do this and do the
other thing, but they have so little journey because they are based on the
desire of the human being, on the experience of the human being. Instead,
conversion is a completely different process. Conversation is a process that begins in
God, in God that gives a problem in the human being and that God
calls you to turn to him. That' s what the word conversion means.
Conversion means that you were going in one direction in all of you,
in all your life, in all your life, and it was in one
sense, and you' re saying that meaning is not taking me anywhere.
Well, it' s really taking me to a place where things are getting
worse, there' s less and less meaning in my life, every time
I realize that I' m ruining what I have around me, not even
when things go very well with me, because conversion is not for when you
' ve completely destroyed your life, but for when you' re slowly destroying
it, for when you' re hurting people around you, when you'
re only able to thrive at the cost of sinking others. So it doesn
' t depend on how good things are or not, but when you realize
you' re not going anywhere. Then it begins in God and ends in
God, because it is not about you, but about him. And that
' s what makes it not just an inner experience or an imagination of your
mind a matter of your subconscious to feel better, but it has to do
with God and not just man. But one would wonder well we talk about
conversion And well that word maybe a little more popular because of the conversion of
the euro to conversion from peseta to euro, from dollar to e, from
euro to dollar. But and more or less we see that it is a
transmutation, a change. But from what we have to become human beings,
because apparently there are people who have many problems in life and grave have gotten
into the black wells of life, but there are countless other people who live
in a flat life, a more or less bearable life. And become from
what And to what that is the thing, that is, conversion is not
only for a person who has gotten into a drug problem, to a person
who has had a very negative experience because he has destroyed his marriage, but
there is a basic problem of human beings. In fact, the entire Bible
speaks about this problem. It' s the problem of evil. All of
us, somehow, have been affected by him. Just to see it many
times I say that what you have to do is not go to a Nazi
concentration camp, but what you have to do is go to the most charming
place in our society, be a school and see how those little ones we
say they have no evil in them. That' s for sure. We
say that, of course, because we have not been in the schoolyard is
a tremendously cruel place and our children quickly learn what it is to live in
society and how to have to manage to survive with their fellowmen. Those precious
children whom we see sleeping at night, They too have been completely affected by
evil. Evil affects us completely. That is something that is a reality that
the Bible speaks from the beginning and the Bible uses a word for them,
the word sin. Of course, we, to the word sin, tend
to assimilate great criminals. We all agree to say that those who did the
attacks in Paris the other day or that people are the Islamic State that cuts
heads. Those are sinners But that is not what the Bible teaches. The
Bible teaches that the problem of evil is in the heart of every human being,
the heart of children, the heart of the best of our best intentions.
And we have to distinguish one thing, because sometimes we think of sins
and not sin. Sins are the consequence of sin. Sin is that our
whole being has been left to evil and the consequence of that effect of evil
is that each of us sins, we commit concrete sins as a consequence of
them. But sin is not only actions, but it is a state in
which we are born and from which we cannot free ourselves. Sin affects all
sin. It makes my relationship with God cut off, and that' s
serious, because if he' s the author of life and I' m
not connected to him. I mean, I have a connection only with death
and not with life, but it affects me as a human being. Each
of us are somehow broken beings. We are beings in which we are not
God' s purpose. We are not those beings who bless others if we
do not have inner problems, contradictions. We are deeply contradictory beings. How
many of us don' t want good, How many of us wouldn'
t want to do good to everyone, But we realize that we even hurt
the people we love the most. We are beings who have broken relationships almost
constantly, workers and entrepreneurs, against each other. Society, against each other,
in families, broken families, parents against children, husbands against wives,
our whole society is a set of broken relationships. But it is also that
we have broken the relationship with the planet, and the planet is bouncing against
us, it is calling for truce. That is the effect of sin as
a consequence of the evil in us. It is that we are committing actions,
sins that are evil, but it is the consequence of that evil that
is in us. Sure, it' s not about me being good,
I' m gonna stop doing this to each other. The problem is that
you have something inside you that is producing that which is the problem of evil
and you can' t get it out. No human being has the ability
for morals, for good, for good intentions, for you to be able
to get out of yourself the problem of sin. It is interesting to hear
Don Ya or Mallenas talk about Christian conversion and we are asking if this is
a purely psychological effect or, for something deeper. And, of course,
we could self- believe, fool ourselves that we' re experiencing a psychological
catharsis. But then, the result of that, well, it has to
be something, something and the truth is that I think what you' ve
done is something we don' t usually do in the part. We do
so in other fields, both in politics, in the social, in the
familiar, in the economic, but in terms of human spirituality, which is
such a part of such an important dimension, so relevant to the human being,
so unknown. By the way, diagnose our moral state. I do
not speak in the code of religious morality, our moral state before God,
because God is there. It is a wonderful being, but God is a
pure being and we are lacking with God. Then there. The proposal of
the Gospel is that to experience true conversion there is a key that is normally
so unpopular. Jesus has spoken of repentance and believe in the Gospel this of
repentance. Nobody here regrets anything. It is difficult to experience this touch of
repentance. What' s that supposed to mean, why is it scratchy?
That' s the key, that is, the beginning, is the fact
that you recognize that you have a problem, no one goes to the doctor.
If you don' t have a problem, no one' s going
to see the lawyer. If you don' t understand that you' re
in a difficult situation. In the same way in our society. What we
' re doing is turning off consciousness. Every time someone says ay it'
s that I think I' ve done it wrong And so the others run
all over and say that goes, goes, goes, goes, goes,
goes, you' re not to blame. No one' s guilty of
anything. And of course, good man, the one who took all the
millions, the one who is the same as the one who is guilty because
he arrived. I don' t know how many billions of Valencia City Halls.
No, but we' re people. Well, we feel uncomfortable,
even with each other' s guilt. No one' s to blame for
anything. As you said, one of our society' s favorite phrases is
I don' t regret anything. Julio, I want to tell you that
I do regret a lot of things. I' m not one of those
who doesn' t regret anything. I, personally, have done many things
with which I have hurt many people. I' ve done things I shouldn
' t have done, doing things that are totally inadequate, that wasn'
t the best, that wasn' t what God wanted, that wasn'
t something to benefit others. I hurt myself and I hurt others he hears
and I think I have not been corrupt or killed anyone, but, despite
everything, I have done many things that are wrong. And the basis,
the beginning is in that step, in saying, there is a criterion of
justice. Good exists, seeing is such an abstract concept and so liquid that
no one can know what it is. We all know, in the end,
if I' ve had my car scratched, that that' s wrong.
We all know when someone has made a climb and got a promotion at
my expense. When someone has criticized me, we all know it' s
wrong. Sometimes we relativize everything so that when evil is so relative, no
one can say that someone has done something wrong. But there are things that
are wrong. There are many things that are wrong, and the thing begins
by feeling that I have done it wrong by many regrets. Repentance changes first
in your mind, that is, the direction I have gone was not the
right one. That thing I did was wrong. The intentions of my heart
were not right, because only when we recognize that something was wrong, can
the thing begin to go. Well, when you don' t feel sick,
you don' t have to go to the doctor. Is it silly
to go see the doctor when you' re not bad? It' s
silly to go to your lawyer when it' s not bad. But when
you feel like you have a disease, that' s when you' re
looking for help. There' s a lot of people who are wrong but
don' t know. There are times when you have a serious illness,
a disease that can lead to death, but you don' t know.
That doesn' t mean you don' t know that you' re not
bad. The degree of illness has nothing to do with whether you recognize it
or not. The situation will improve in the sense that when you recognize it
you can start looking for if there is a solution. And the solution is
that the question is that the problem of evil, the problem of sin,
does have a solution. But the first thing you have to recognize is that
you' re wrong, because if you don' t, there' s
no chance of finding the solution. This is what repentance is, in the
recognition of saying there is evil in me. This evil is going to destroy
me and other people, and I want to find a solution. That'
s the only difference. The difference is not that there are religious people and
non- religious people, there are religious people who never recognize that it is
wrong, but the difference is when you feel sinful and know that the solution
is only God, because then things begin to improve substantively. So this is
the way to experience conversion in that encounter with Jesus Christ, the Son of
God, because I was thinking of society as a drug- trafficking society.
And I wouldn' t want to be far from being sensitive and rude.
But we' re like a zombie generation and I was among these, in
this zombie generation that we were going through that inertia. We had the virus
inoculated. And the truth is that that generation, those people, that narcotized,
cauterized, burned consciousness that we had has been insensitive, because it was
so hard for us to repent of our personal sin. We are at fault
with God. We are at fault sometimes with other people because we have done
bad or bad things towards people and harmed someone. But we are also at
fault with God, our creator. Then why it costs us so much to
be and we are so insensitive to realize our error and to repent of our
sins. This word is a cursed word for society. Today, yes,
the truth is that behind the bad things we do, behind sin, there
is another problem. That what is behind all of this is that, somehow,
what causes there to be evil in us actually, the most serious thing
is not all that we do, it is not the sins, but the
most serious thing is to turn away from God. That is really the problem
that generates everything else the moment we expel God from our life, when,
instead of God being the most important thing for us, we begin to place
a lot of things. But when you don' t love God above all
things you mean there are things you love more than God. Those things you
love more than God are your idols. You love money more, or you
love your family more or you love your person more. But God is no
longer the absolute. God is not what you most desire. On earth.
You desire other things above God. That will clearly show you if you now
put on what you most desire in the world. This, this, this,
those are your idols that you are worshiping, which you prefer to be
more important to you than God. And when you expel God, you keep
those other things and you know neither the money, nor all the money in
the world, nor all the affection of all people, nor all that you
consider to be the most important thing in the world. They have the ability
to satisfy your heart. None of them have the ability to give you eternal
life. Because the problem of sin is not only that makes you unhappy here,
because sometimes you can live relatively happy, but the problem of sin is
that it causes you, as you have disconnected from the author of the life
of the one who has created life, only death remains for you and all
human beings we have to face death here. But the really serious problem is
not only death here, but eternal death, because eternal separation from God is
eternal death. That' s why God promises you something. God promises you
that you can come to have life again, that you can come to have
not life like the one you can have here on earth, but eternal life.
And eternal life you have to understand one thing, that eternal life is
not only a very long life, but that eternal life is the life of
God. Only God has eternal life, but you can have the life of
God, because God wants to give you that life. You have to reconnect
with God. If the sin is that you ever cast God out of your
life. If sin is that you have wanted a lot of things instead of
God, God comes to you to offer you eternal life. In the matter,
conversion is that you can leave the death you are living to live God
' s life. And that' s it. That' s absolutely great,
it' s wonderful how. But that' s the cool thing.
That' s what it is. Conversion is to begin to live the life
of God. If Jesus taught us that it is what I at least received
and is what the transformative experience really is, he taught us that it was
necessary to preach to men and to repent and also to believe in the Gospel.
In the gospel it is God' s good news for man, the
news of salvation from eternal life that you in Christ, Jesus. But now
faith in Jesus Christ is an act of trust in God. This is the
second true step. Without this click there is no change possible. Indeed,
a first thing is to see that you have separated yourself from God. The
consequence of the separation from God is all those evil events that are occurring.
All that lack of life that in your life, all that lack of purpose
that you can notice. But it is also that eternal death. But,
on the other hand, all that you couldn' t get, that no
human being could get. In fact, repentance does not achieve eternal life either,
because what eternal life accomplishes is not what you could do. So,
at first I said this is not a question of man. Man can even
repent in some way, but man cannot achieve eternal life by himself is bankrupt,
he has no chance of achieving it, for what man could not do
is what God has done. When man was unable to save himself, God
sent his son. When we think about what the sense of Christmas is.
True, God became a man. It is that that eternal God became man
because we could not get it, because we never had anything with which we
could pay for that sin. And then, what we couldn' t do,
he did when we didn' t have the ability to get life.
He got it for us how to become a man, living a just life
among us and then going to the cross with my sins on top. Jesus
Christ did not die to give us a good example, because he had no
choice or because the Jews wanted to kill him. He offered his life for
us. Evil is so serious that God cannot forget it. God is a
righteous god. If God simply forgot about the evil embarrassed, nothing like no
has happened, that would mean that all the great criminals who have the bad
habit of dying in their beds could unjustly live forever. And that' s
what it can' t be. God has to judge evil in the world
to God. Judge evil in the world, or you pay for that evil
with your life, or God pays. And the question is that God paid
for that evil. And that we can do two things. Face eternity,
face death with our own resources, face death alone, or simply trust him,
trust him and put out, trust that he gives you eternal life by
human beings. There are people who say I' m glad you have that
faith and I say you' re not happy, because you can have it,
too. In the end, each of us has to decide who he
will trust when we have to appear before God, because whether you believe or
not he will not prevent you from appearing before God. But when we have
to appear before God, with what you will present yourself with your own righteousness
or with the righteousness that he got on the cross. For You, You
can be delivered from your sins, You can be forgiven from your sins,
You can have the righteousness of God, which He gave you. And you
can' t do that with any good deed. You can' t get
it with anything you have. But if you can when you receive what he
has done for You, when you put your trust in faith, it is
not a strange thing. Faith is in whom we decide to trust to face
the eternal in God or in yourself. And so it is I believe that,
gentlemen and gentlemen with good understanding, these words are more than enlightening.
Yauma one of the paradigms of conversion, even not only from the biblical point
of view, but popular that has become popular in conversion, in the figure
of Saul or Paul. When one says good, for I Paul became the
way of Damascus. People know, at least in the social imaginary, this
figure of Saul' s conversion is the only reference to conversion that is popularly
true, yes, but there are many more, because all human beings,
not only those who were persecutors of the church, not only those who were
a pestilence, but all of us We have to find our way to God,
because conversion is, conversion is to find my way to God. In
some cases, for some people it is a dramatic fact, it is a
fact that they were going to chase, to kill, to do something terrible,
to commit suicide. I know people who were going to kill themselves and
suddenly have come to themselves and at that moment God has said where I am
going and has turned to God at a dramatic moment in his life. But
whether it' s dramatic or not. Some people decided that they were children
and saw that they were not going anywhere. A five- year- old
can feel weight for sin and may want to seek God as a solution.
Any kind of person at any time, because that' s the thing that
can even be a gradual process in which you realize day by day, that
that' s not the direction you should go that you' re going towards
self- destruction. No, and you realize that the only solution is in
God and you' re making the decision to keep looking for God day by
day that if there is any solution, it must be in him and not
in you and that process in a time takes you to God. So,
and whether you turn to God, I beat you immediately, whether you'
re already at some point in that professed one, just as you' ve
been struggling with that idea for a while now, just as long ago you
realize that it' s a process of discovery, that the place you were
going to is not the right place to go trying to provide your own solutions,
you leave, realizing that that' s not the solution. And there
comes a moment where you say God look, I realize that I don'
t, and I' ve decided to trust what you' ve done because
I realize that I don' t have the solution. It' s a
comeback. The Bible sometimes describes it as like this, not as turning on
the light itself, as suddenly you see it. Of course not. And
that' s the process. So sometimes it' s an instant question.
Sometimes it takes time, because God is working in your life God really loves
you, God seeks you, God loves you, God is behind you,
not because he needs anything, but because you need everything. But God loves
you, God loves you God seeks you no. And that is the relationship
that God maintains even with those who deserve nothing but to live forever apart from
God. Yes, that' s the horror more And for me, at
this point it would be unimaginable and I remember at the time when I experienced
conversion, I was eighteen years old and I lived it in a very flat
world, very gray and my reasonings were very, very primary, very elementary,
but I could experience the horror of sin and at that time I realized
that I was missing with God and asked God sincerely for forgiveness of my sins
and deposited all my trust in Jesus Christ. And from then on, forty
- four years later, jama, because now one speaks, that is,
what is the result. This is nothing. It' s smoke, it
' s just a vapor, a mist of life. Not many interesting and
good things have happened, as a person has grown that experience with God,
has grown, has developed and today I say as if it were yesterday or
before yesterday. So, that' s why the question is what changes occur
in a person' s life. With conversion I' m describing mine.
Not really, since you describe yours. Let me count, too. Yeah,
like a chance. Yes, I was turning to God when I was
about nineteen. A year earlier, something happened in my life, which is
that I did not follow a religious life. I didn' t go to
the Catholic Church at that time, because every week and the whole thing,
but I knew that something didn' t work out well that my life,
I lived from shit to shit. Every day I had to go looking for
some purpose to live, because that, that was very short- lived.
Even when I was young, I realized that that was not on purpose.
And what God did provide when I realized that there was a problem called Sin
and that there was a solution, which was called Christ, is that God
brought his life into my life. And one thing that is important is that
since that moment my life has had a clear purpose, because I stopped living
for myself, to start living for God' s purposes. People think that
the more selfish it is that the more it lives for itself, the more
results it will get. The problem. You know what it is that there
are more than seven billion people in the world who try to live for themselves
when you live, selfishly, when you think you will get more out of
life, if you live for the party, if you live for goals,
for you, if you live for and you realize in the end that all
that has brought into your life is empty. Empty, empty and you wake
up purposelessly one day after another and say God life can give no more than
this. And one thing that' s interesting is that the Bible promises you
God. He promises you that when you know God, when you receive God
in your heart, when you decide to trust that God, God puts the
spirit in You. That is the gift of the Holy Spirit begins to live
in your heart and from that moment on God says that rivers of living water
flow within you. It is a completely new experience, the experience of rivers
of living water, because God begins to flow within you and you make sense
and give you purpose and you know what you get up for the next day,
and you know what you live for, what God' s purposes are,
as before, you lived for You and live for You. It only
caused you dissatisfaction, begin to live for God and for the other and bless
the other, do good things for the other, work for those things that
God has put before You, to improve the environment, to make this world
a living place. Just look at your work. It starts to make sense
before you went there because there was no choice to make money. But now
you go to fulfill God’ s purposes, to make this earth a better
place, to make your work, which can be very repetitive, bless others
exactly repetitive. It makes sense, because you realize not what you do,
but who blesses what you do. And you start thinking about blessing others that
you are here so that others also know God, so that others have the
same experience and truth that living for God is the great experience. You have
to get out of yourself. You have to realize that life has no meaning
when it is focused on You, but instead, it has everything when it
is focused on God. And in others and really that has been exciting sometimes
talking to my wife, I say well, I have lived with God for
a few years. There have been no more than thirty years with God,
but they have been as if they were sixty or seventy, for I have
lived intensely to squeeze out life in these years. And it is not that
I feel so satisfied with myself, but I feel very satisfied with what God
has given me. God has been very unfaithful for all these years. I
' ve experienced different crises. I lived the crisis of seventy- nine,
the oil crisis, I lived the crisis of the restoration of the We have
received personal crises, with losses of people in my family, I saw of
experiences of diseases and difficult experiences, of contradiction of hard moments of life,
but it has been cool to live them with God. It' s been
an experience I wouldn' t change for anything. I' ve learned a
lot, I' ve grown a lot, I' ve been very blessed
by God all these years and I hope to remain here. But I have
the hope of eternal life that that will continue, that what I am living
here is only a pale reflection of what God has prepared for me when I
see him face to face, because I am going to see face to face
with God, not on my own merits, but for those he got.
And it would be a little bit what I wanted to tell about me too.
And what a nice step, that' s nice, because it'
s very important to our friends who listen to us in so many Spanish cities
and behind global radio anywhere in the world. It is also very important that
we can identify this experience, which is not generic, ethereal, abstract and
impracticable or non- experimental, that we count it in the experience of men
and women. They could also testify to this in flesh and blood, and
I am in some way calling on the interviewee and a servant so that our
listeners know that this really happens and there are real tangible changes and even how
much it would give if this topic did not convert as a transformative experience,
a definitely supernatural experience in the passively sustained. Thank you very much, my
dear Yaoma, for thanks also for being with us this morning on the train
of life. Dear friend, a hug, very affectionate, embrace always m
the train of life, life, your life is a gift to see my
illusion, that you be happy and that all your healing become reality. Today
I celebrate your smile the joy you breathe. It' s so nice to
be with you and have you, Cadiz. It' s another year you
' re here celebrating in front of me, sharing your way of life,
feeling that beautiful seeing you like this, so joyful and so happy, embracing
the certainty of what' s to come, that your soles are fulfilled before
you paddle money so that it' s worth but it' s all the
night that brings winter, that your dreams are fulfilled and that you raise egg,
that your life is cooked with the blessing is you fall into heaven that
if you don' t have to love all your hour. When you hear
the sound of this simple song, the rambling, the maradar, add to
you and his gift to me my illusion that you will be happy and that
all your longings will come true, your smile will tell her that you breathe,
that I orine you are with you and have you cavila, that your
dreams will be fulfilled before you paddle money so that it will be dogorita the
night, that it will bring fear, that your dreams will be fulfilled and
that you will raise egg, that will be filled with your life with the
blessings that falls in heaven, that inun drinks love all your heart. When
you hear it sound is the simple song, tell me that life is short,
keep on that there is much abode, or I am good, well
bring buy my dream and leave the ground, fill your life with the blessings
that falls into heaven, which is the name r your bowl to hear that
I am this without song Grow and do not weigh me. Listen, I
' m nothing. Not anymore. Choosing the perfect song for your wedding day
dance may cost a lot, but choosing it while driving may cost you to
step on the accelerator without realizing it. Costing an accident will cost an emergency
service call, costing the loss of a friend and cost a sense of guilt.
This song can end up costing a lot and be the mask of the
world. A small decision can trigger consequences for everyone. Directorate- General for
Traffic, Ministry of the Interior, Government of Spain. I' m good
enough to have two horres to call the barber. I don' t panic
between the containers. We can have a new life or the house to create
is right. We can be useful and do not recycle with forty plastic bottles.
If he makes a lining for the libric he says yes and this is
the size. We' re going to bike and give packaging a new life.
Put them in their container and take care of the environment. They don
' t keep an eye on giving the can. Give a new life to
the packaging. Recicla mancomunidades San Marcos and Ecohendes the train of life, an
exciting journey along the routes of the heart, an unforgettable journey at the rhythm
of the train. Well, we' re already talking to our friend José
de Segovia. You know that José de Segovia is a journalist, is a
Protestant pastor in the city of Madrid and, moreover, is a critical name
of art, of literature that is put before him, because he is at
the end, is the day of so many questions. It is a real
melomaniac and also reader and let' s say insatiable from the latest novels or
narrative or anything else of interest. And we always appreciate being able to talk
to him about so many things and these characters, about social influence, as
well as musical influence, of course, that have marked a time such as
the Beatles, Rolling Stones, Rolling Stones and also the Uros group, the
Irish group, And we want to ask him, who is very up to
date with this also what influence they have exerted on social consciousness, in the
youth of then and now Hello, Dear Joseph, Dear friend, very good
morning, José, speaking of musical influence, the Beatles are always the reference
of a new era a new era and from there the music takes on another
color. True what the Beatles represented from then on until now, as the
Beatles were more than just the favorite music of a generation. He became his
spokesman, more even his guide, we could say even spiritual. You have
to realize that people followed their opinions and comments even in their way of seeing
the world and conceiving life. Ultimately, this is what they were sometimes calling
even the Gospel the Second Beatles. The idea of how they became a spiritual
guide, which has been analyzed in recent biography, the opinions that were dropping
into interviews, the texts of the songs, all of which became more than
just a spokesman. We could say in the spiritual fun of an entire generation
that encompasses already three different, because whatever was yours may be followed by two
more that have continued to have you as the main one. Really the popular
music group and the best- selling albums that to this day are rarely on
offer, because they are precisely the most demanded and demanded and continue to be
an extraordinary source of income for the now difficult caramba record industry. Yes,
the truth that the Beatles represent a time, a music that still prevails in
the echo of time and that has created a style, without a doubt,
that triggers the new era of music. The rollings that come to represent the
rolling sones that are so for some games, the Rolling Stones were the bad
face, let' s say of what the Beatles were most positively presented,
although at their origin in Germany, when they combien are playing in clubs,
they are precisely on the dark side of life. But the Rollings, from
the beginning, as one of their songs says, painted it all black and,
evidently, spoke more about urban dissatisfaction, especially from the fourth album that
has this track. They actually come in to do the spokesman for what we
might call a recently nihilistic message, a book with a hedonistic passion for trying
to aspire from life to the last, only the way I saw the path
really that seems to dedicate the philosophy of the Rolling Claro Spons Rollings we still
see them there as well as the Beatles, as they have been diluting.
There are still some survivors left, but the Rollings already see them there with
almost a hundred years playing still. That' s the amazing thing. Claro
inaugurated a kind of rock gerontocracy. No yes, with which talking about youthful
music is at least paradoxical when we talk about people sixty years, which is
the age they are now to average the Rolling Stones. It is really amazing
how they are maintained and who has ever seen that, despite the years,
they are still in excellent physical condition, despite always what has been said of
the absolutely Indian life they should have. I wasn' t supposed to do
as much as it looks because of my current condition. There is a lot
of pose, of course, in the rollings, as we see in other
rock groups, in the image of bad rebel children. You don' t
agree with reality. While you have heard once in an interview with Jagger,
for example, you will observe English educated to manners, which has absolutely correct
the education of someone who has been totally conformed to the traditional elitist model of
British education. But the image they give clear was quite the opposite, the
image of rebellious and very rude boys. I don' t think it corresponds
to reality enough. Yes, well, I think that, for example,
the title more than pejorative his satanic majesty, is a transgressive attempt against conventional
and religious culture. True, Yes, the title that actually comes from the
famous ten- end song of the sixties, which is called sympathy for the
devil, is really inspired not by the devil the biblical character, but by
the work, on the one hand, of William Blake and, above all,
a novel by a Russian writer named Michael Bulgakov, is called The Master
and Margarita. The book was given to Jagger by a friend and companion of
his, recently deceased, the Swedish Anita Pallenberg. She gave him this book
and fascinated by the story that tells of how he would see the story of
the Gospel, the devil who was in a park in St Petersburg, the
character of the novel is how he thinks, what the world would be like
from the point of view of the devil, understood as the person without an
arrogant rebel norm. This is the devil of the Stones song that then his
recording even recorded. In it there is a whole film of the new wave
of French goutf cinema is recorded how it was finally recorded from song that mythology
has often wanted to see as recorded in the midst of boudou rituals and magical
ceremonies, but that was recorded as coadquier another song and of course, the
devil seems more to represent the normal rebellious n character of the figure than in
the Bible we know by that name. And we got to the Irish group
U two, well we could go through others. Of course it is to
make intermediate scales and to see evolution a little more in detail, but time
does not allow it. But we came to one of the most emblematic groups
with intelligent music, supportive music, and also reflective music about the transcendent Group
Two. What difference can we find between the Rollins, the Beatles and Group
Two, as two or Utsu, as it is called in English, which
is a pun between the name of the well- known Budos plane with the
expression you also uttered one would do exactly the same in English. It is
a group born of young people converted into a Christian community from the charismatic renewal
that took place in Dublin in the eighties, formed by a former missionary of
origin in China, greatly inspired by the work of Watchman Ne who called Salon.
The community no longer exists, but lived the real conversion of hundreds of
young people and particularly in the school where they all studied. It is the
only non- Catholic school in a neighborhood of Bublin where many English people live,
galletes, person you have come from Britain that does not belong to so
many Catholic editions. The case of Itsu' s singer, leader and charismatic
voice is the son, on the one hand, of a Catholic and an
Anglican mother. I mean, he comes from the two religious cultures that make
up irandas, but he attended the episcopal church, which is what is called
wool in Ireland. He has a Bible education and has been fascinated, as
shown in a recent video, by psalms, always psalms, which he learned
as a child in church and also in Bible studies at school itself. In
outside of teaching hours, he became familiar with writing. The faith experience of
God’ s spirit in this community was certainly genuine. What happens is that
the tensions that took place that root of prophetic messages that were inside the community,
that called them to leave the music and put them in the diction,
is indistinguishable to choose to be the figures that have become or finally leave the
music. One of them is guitarist Djage, who is the Welsh gene Evans.
He even left the music for a while. It is the only time
that the band was about to break for a considerable period of time, precisely
because of the faith of this guitarist, who thought that, by means of
a prophetic message, God asked him to leave the music, because he had
become an idol in a god for him. That' s how he understood
it. Finally, they understood their vocation differently and thought, as Bo has
said many times, that if God had given them those gifts, it would
be for them to use. So, for the sake of music, at
least they' ve been on it. Another thing is how Joseph will have
affected them spiritually, what musical and social influence they have exercised in general,
how you would define it vis in their time and even today, the Rollings
and Group Two in the masses, especially in the youth of each of their
epochs. The influence in this sense, because it is much more positive,
clear in the clearly solidarity messages, as you have said very well, of
its linked to many humanitarian causes, but we really see that they belong to
different generations in some way, and the disc of the rock culture that personifies
the lycees of the spongs and that in a certain way, because it has
helped to give the alternative. I think it is spiritual to all good caramba,
because this is the influence of these musical groups and this is their message.
The truth is that you still could have had a new job coming up.
True yes, indeed, it seems at last that there is a recording
that will be like a second part of this more autobiographical album that they had
just made, if it is a record that returns to the origins. In
these songs we find all the songs that marked this teenage age. It was
included clearly his experience wishes the one that refers to the songs violence that certainly
lived very dramatically in this case, since the famous explosion of Ani Skillen was
very good related to her, since it was present at that time. And
the mother figure. You have to realize that, different members of jitsu are
orphans, that is, they lost one of their parents at a very early
age as children. So this has also given a particular character always the sensitivity
of them that differentiates it from others in some strange way that orphanhood always accompanies
you, and the theme of Bono' s mother appears an exertraordinary in the
last album, in which tells him a song and returns the shadow of a
disease and desolation that, without doubt good what young teenager like everyone who has
lost someone as special as it is of his parents? Of course, of
course, well, ladies and gentlemen, there is that explanation of the musical
and, of course, social influence exercised by music. That influence, usually
benign at times debatable. Evidently, yesterday' s and today' s music
were watching a classical concert, the concerto de alcún ser de la reforma.
Here was a chamber orchestra by Maria Vodker, who was magnificent. It'
s another music, it' s another time. But, of course,
this music, because, obviously, it connects with the new consciousness, with
the new society, with a new youth, a new youth stream and the
truth that we have to be aware of. Right. Joseph, yes,
I believe that many times with some believers there is a bit of gesture.
It is of God or of the devil of human things and as all mankind
is marked by sin, on the one hand, by confusion and ignorance,
there are ideas that are not correct and also, with no place to be
freed by a certain spiritual influence. But we have to see music as what
is a creation of the human being and therefore it is neither diabolical nor angelic.
He really has the contradictions that exist in each of us, because the
clear human being has a problem for him. The only answer is in God.
It is not in any music, nor in any creation or human invention,
but in the gospel that shows us how he is the answer to our
problem in Christ Jesus? This is Christ Jesus, it is our destiny and
it is our aspiration, in any case and in anything that we can enjoy
what surrounds us with good music, good times, good books, good friends
and so many things that are so positive and so edifying for our lives.
Dear Joseph, I am very grateful that you have been with us this short
time dear friend, always delighted to be on your train, come a brozas
and in the best place to reflect and think about the things that matter.
That' s right, dear Joseph, a very affectionate embrace until ever,
until the near consciousness. O Stevens o u n s O U O s
s. S. Evangelical churches are a place of peace and friendship. You
can freely attend the nearest evangelical church in your neighborhood or your population. You
' ll be very welcome.