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Good morning, friends and friends,
I am Julio Pérez and this is the

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train of life, a radio adventure
along the routes of the heart. I

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want to invite you to travel with
me and dream together in a better world,

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a different world where men and women
of good will can live in peace

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and freedom. The train of life
is a magaxine of good news and hope.

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This is a radio time specially designed
for people like you and like so

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many truth seekers, of the only
truth that can make us out identically free

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come I invite you to travel with
us on the safest train of all,

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which will definitely take you to safe
harbour. This is the train of life,

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giving very good morning Spain. Good
morning, friends and friends, this

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is Julio Pérez, a tireless or
unrepentant traveler who never regrets traveling on this

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train of life, this living parable
as the abysmal life. Thirty- two

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years later, in the spring of
ninety- two, pioneers of the Spanish

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Olympics of that year, that great
year ninety- two. From then until

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now we have traveled through the children
of the human soul and along many paths

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in the heart and many current issues
and here we are still. We'

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re still riding. Then we exist
with me this morning we go there,

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ladies and gentlemen, ladies and gentlemen, here we are. We' re

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on the train of life. This
is a traveling train, it' s

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a train of good news always,
we always bring good. Sometimes we talk

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about news that is not so good, that it is disturbing, but not

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on our part, but because we
don' t want to be unaware of

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what' s going on around us, much less. Of course it is

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good, because today we are also
as guests of luxury. We' ve

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got our friend, too Look at
you. We have a journalist, a

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man who every day from Monday to
Friday, from 8 a m to 11

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a m, has a radio program
with different spaces, but where he also

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bears witness to the social and political
chronicle, reads the most outstanding newspapers of

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the day, and also makes interviews
of various signs, issues of interest to

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the Protestant world, questions of faith
but and spirituality, but also questions of

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topicality and of general interest to the
citizenry. Evidently, he' s our

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friend Lucho Pan Duro. Lucho Panduro
is a journalist, journalist of the real

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ones, of the Lies and also, already from his country, who studied

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university training as a journalist, and
he when he arrived in Spain, because

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he already settled, already has the
city many years ago. He is already

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a pastor in a church in Madrid
and is the technical director. He is

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the key man, because he has
a very very functional and very operational team

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around him on Dinami Radio. Dinami
Radio is a radio station that has a

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lot of presence in many Spanish cities
and is a radio station that is good

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under the general direction of Pastor Juan
Cano, He is the visionary, the

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man who pushed the project, but
the technical director of the day- to

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- day of everything that is the
world of the radio is struggle, panduro.

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Well, there we have him,
he' ll be with us.

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Let' s talk to him about
actuality we' ve wanted. I wanted

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to fight. We are going to
give a review, not a review of

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these that are good when they are
put to broth, but a review of

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what is happening and what concerns us
all citizens and something else of interest to

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the evangelical communities in Spain also how
not. And this will be the first

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chance of the first interview. But
then we' ll continue to the next

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station and meet Daniel Bañuls. Daniel
Bañueles has until recently been the Secretary General

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of the Web, but he has
been a pastor for many years. His

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wives, they bill active shepherds and
Esther Salya is a magnificent shepherdess and he

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is a man, Daniel Bañuls is
a mobilizer for many years, many and

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has a special ability to get resources
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He immediately touches keys, moves and
removes heaven and earth to send help to

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Turkey with the earthquake, to Morocco, when what has happened, to Assyria

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for a long time, to Ukraine, a lot of humanitarian aid. Now,

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in Côte d' Ivoire, it' s the last shipments to a

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particular orpharate and it' s always
finding targets of great human needs. Let

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' s talk to him. Let' s talk. Some say Good the

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Protestant World. Well the world pretests
the social work. Diaconía España, for

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example, or Dignity here in Catalonia
and in several evangelical communities of autonomous regions.

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Well, they' re very operational. Dignity here in Catalonia brings together

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many humanitarian and solidarity organizations and Diaconía
España is the main driving force behind the

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entire humanitarian aid project in Spain and, moreover, with very interesting and striking

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results, the humanitarian aid capital of
the banking churches in Spain is great.

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There is one statistic that is what
happens is that we have been a majority,

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a silent minority. And now,
therefore, we want to value what

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we do for the benefit of the
citizenry and for the glory of God.

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Of course, it is part of
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there we will have the immobilizing pastor, especially humanitarian missions, humanitarian emergencies.

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Daniel Bañuls. This morning on the
train of life and Mira we recovered an

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interview with Jaumallenas. Well, tomorrow
he' s a lawyer, he'

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s the coordinator, the director of
Bible graduate groups. He has been the

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Secretary General of the Spanish Evangelical Alliance
for many years. Yaun Mallenas is one

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of the brightest minds we have in
the evangelical world. Understand yourself as José

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de Segovia, as Marcos Zapata,
Manuel Suárez, Pedro Tarquis and the list

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can add and, obviously, as
intellectuals, I don' t want to

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include so much anymore. I mean
not as much as writers, as can

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be Juan Antonio Monrey, who is
one of the great intellectuals of the world.

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I don' t think I'
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Dr Antonio Cruz. Well there is
the list José Moreno Berrocal and good is

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an endless list of journalists and such, but as a chatter talker, a

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sharp, brilliant, equidistant and also
courageous man to make judgments of appropriate value.

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But let us talk to him about
Christian conversion, conversion what is called

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conversion when he has experienced a conversion
to Christianity or has converted to Catholicism,

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has converted to Protestantism. Well,
it' s a rather pejorative way of

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saying things. He has not converted
to Christ, he has converted to Islam,

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he has converted to Buddhism. Then, in this case, Christian conversion.

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Some questioned that it could easily be
psychological manipulation. And well those of

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us who have training, included already
or Mayanas is a lawyer, but those

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who study, which is academic studies, study psychology, are also part of

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our ingredient in the careers of turn. Christian conversion is a psychological manipulation,

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a self- deception, a manipulation
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Well, let' s talk to
him and draw conclusions to be on

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top of it. There they know
the encounter between Nicodemus and Jesus, not

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that enlightened man in Shosen you see. That is one of the best dialogues

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in the series between Nicodemus and Jesus
on the new birth that we read in

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chapter three of John' s Gospel. That night in secret the man is

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going to consult him. And Jesus
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born again and he believes he is
talking about reincarnation. And no, no,

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no, no, talking about something
different. To be born again is

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not to be reincarnated, let alone. This is a fallacy, the subject

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of reincarnation. But the Christian conversion, psychological manipulation or supernatural experience with yaomalleras

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and how not the teacher I call
him because it is that this man is

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a shambles of knowledge, of music, of literature, of actuality, of

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characters, of history, of philosophy, of theology, Of course, José

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de Segovia is a Protestant pastor in
the city of Madrid. I sent a

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very affectionate greeting at this time to
my friend José de Segovia, and he

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is also a journalist of the real
and theologians, in addition to one of

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the magnificent contemporary theologians of the Protestant
world. In Spain and in this talk

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we talked about the musical and social
influence of the Beatles. Well, I

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remember with the beatle mane, the
campered pants, the satin shirt with the

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Elvis collar. I remember. When
I came to church, I was dressed

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like this at the age of eighteen
and it was the fashion then. But

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the musical and social influence of the
Beatles, which were the outbreak, was

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a social paradigm shift in world music. But also in the changes of social

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paradigms that were beginning to take place
in all areas. The Rolly Stolls.

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We must recognize that they are a
musically speaking phenomenon and we will analyze their

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influence a little bit from a really
sharp point of view, as José de

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Segovia and also two, a very
interesting group also with Christian connotations, but

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also philosophers of contemporary music. And
I say because, well, he is

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a true philosopher, besides being an
altruist and a philanthropist of these who make

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very generous donations, also for humanitarian
causes. Well, then, what influence

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have these three and similar ones had, for example, on the masses and

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especially on the new generation of the
previous years. Now the Beatles are gone.

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There' s still the ringo alive, I think Paul McCartney and the

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Rolling. Well, there it is, because there are some still, well,

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of the old Richards and obviously,
because the singer, the leader of

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the group and all some practically all
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But there they go. Nothing comes
out of war. Still good, so

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let' s listen to our friends
on this life- life train trip or

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love it with us. Or the
name of Jesus. Shields are to rescue

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the name leave Jesus. That shadows
the trailerity, the God, the God,

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the unharmed one is very close to
that it is chelifying you inspired riad.

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I' m ris parastres, not
that. There is no other are

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ho or, sir, give a
square to Christ Jesus in jumping or ro,

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the man of the right. I
love to be vourida if you want

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to visit our website www point train
of life, train of life or ladies

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and gentlemen, we are already in
line with our good friend Lucho Pan Duro,

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a man of means. He is
a man who listens to him on

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the radio in many Spanish stations,
from Dinami Radio Madrid the Central and who

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has a program, as told them
the pulse of life of three hours,

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where he speaks a little bit of
everything of the present, of course,

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already very early what says the most
outstanding presses, the most remarkable news of

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the day And then, then,
an endless of interviews and talks and talks

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and, therefore, he is a
very experienced man in the middle and that

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we speak with him, look at
Fridays, we speak in Dinami Radio of

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the present, because today it is
up to our friend Lucho to be with

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us and we will comment with him, we will talk about what happens,

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that happens in this Iberian courtyard,
that is called Spain, in this chicken

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house, in the rebellion, on
the farm, as said or Well,

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I do not know if exactly that
happens, eh, but here there is

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a grigay that is big, very
good days, welcome, Luco Julio,

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a real placen is heard. Well, perfect, perfect, very good,

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very good, for a real pleasure
to be able to be with you this

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morning. Thank you for this detail
of having our participation. And here we

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are for what really to some extent, because it stands in the time that

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you cordially know us so that you
can be. Thank you, I fight,

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I fight that we always like.
We are eternal curious and curious redeemers.

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We want to know who the character
we' re talking to is.

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You' re a church pastor.
Today many years ago you arrived in Spain,

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which also has Spanish nationality and you
have your family. Married well married

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and also, for years you have
been the programming director of Dinami Radio.

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You have journalistic training from your country. You studied journalism, I' m

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on my way and perfect. Of
course, there' s all the details.

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We' re booked. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well,

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you in Madrid are a pastor besides
a church. Yeah. Indeed,

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we have the privilege of serving the
Lord and our brothers there in Church Evangelical

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fountain of living water in Pinto,
is a community that is to the south

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of Madrid, about twenty kilometers from
the capital of the Centre, and we

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have been there for ten years really
working with my family, my wife,

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we are shepherding the Church fountain of
living water and so really happy with all

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the challenges that always being at the
head of a congregation means challenges that sometimes

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is not and almost always more in
our capacities to solve it, because everything

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depends on a miracle. It is
from the conclusion in time that I have

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really been working on hydrazgo and on
the shepherding change, in one' s

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own life, not only but the
changes themselves that are evolving, let'

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s say within the human being through
the word, and how the Gospel is

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slowly permeating those layers that we have
inside our brain and that, to some

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extent, we are realizing how we
are progressing little by little. It'

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s a process. There are some
who advance much faster, they are going

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to have a speed and there are
others, because they go a little slower,

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but all, of course, in
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Lord and we, trusting in his
grace and in his favor that he really

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does because he ends up transforming us
at the end, that we need to

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be light in the midst of a
society that truly shines darkness and that we

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need to carry the truth of the
Gospel of Christ. So there we are

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happy, because working with children,
with brothers, adolescents, also parents,

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families, the elderly, which is
another very significant collective of the Church,

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because when one enters, the first
thing he thinks is that it is only

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the middle- aged who constitute in
the Church. Then you realize that there

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are children and that they have longed
for, that they are other collectives with

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which you also have to work and
that they pose their own challenges. So

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for twenty years he' s been
forgiven, ten years we' ve been

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working with my wife there, in
this community, in the Church source of

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water, alive and integrated, because
to all society let' s say and

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to our instances that represent us and
very happy that Julio saw, that well

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combine the pastorate, that is a
demanding job and more knowing to you,

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as you, I know that you
are one of the people with your wife,

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that you give yourself to the service
of others. But then the immense

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work as technical director of Dinamis Radio
from the central studios of Madrid, by

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the way, very beautiful and very
very very contemporary and very up- to

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- date and then with that radiating
also to many other cities, with all

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your programming. But besides, you
have a program Monday through Friday from 8

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: 00 a m to 11:
00 a m, The pulse of life,

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which is a program. I know
what it is now. I do

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not perform a daily program, but
I know what You are. You'

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ve been doing it for years on
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It' s a super demanding job. How you do it is a big

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question. How I do it.
I don' t think about it and

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I do, because if I think
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of course, because it involves a
lot of work. But really our work

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is a work in that sense rather
of coordination in the programme itself, because

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we have many collaborators to whom we
are deeply grateful and without whom it would

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be impossible to really do that amount
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above all with contents that are very
updated. And so because it is in

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the morning and, therefore, the
rush. The times obviously mark, they

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have to mark a little bit the
dynamic of the program, so it is

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much easier and more bearable to really
count on brothers who are collaborating with the

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different sections. In them, for
example, we have invented something of which

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together we participate in that summary of
the train of life, for example,

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to warn of what is to be
emitted at the different emission points. The

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content to make that advance and notice
half an hour that gives of itself Anda

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and the brothers do not really help
us and their help to be impossible.

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Collaborators are vital in this regard.
Not then do we have some collaboration with

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brothers that you also have, of
course, brothers in common. How is

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the case of Pastor Joaquin Yebra has
his space with us. Dare to ask

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a program that came up in your
heart and there is a challenge. We

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just not just a loud voice and
a simple help and mind to do management.

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And well, the brothers, which
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and fifty- five minutes there,
for example, we have counted it every

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Monday. Not then. Allow me
that Joaquín Llebra is one of the wise

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great sages of the world, evangelical, first- rate theologian, first-

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time pastor- dean of pastors,
a man of radio, of media and

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with the greatest that he is,
with a wisdom that he has in his

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answer. This man answers everything and
responds well. It doesn' t go

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through the hills of ubeda, so
it' s a wonder. You will

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listen and people are very grateful because
doubts, concerns are solved And the challenge

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is tremendous, because that' s
all done live and live. Dear Julio,

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you know how it is there there
is no chance of going back,

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rewinding everything. Going on the march
and it is impressive the ability that he

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has to be able to answer so
many questions and concerns, and that none

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so far, in the time that
we have been operating with this space,

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has said I don' t know. I' m going to write it

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down to answer it to the next
program, because without an answer it won

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' t leave you yes. So
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to solve it in the best way. And it really is in that sense,

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because this wonderful to have its help, because it is really a content

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producer how to communicate very good and
very good simple agile communicator that challenges you,

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very very very has exceptional qualities in
that sense. And another thing that

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I would also put in value that
sometimes we don' t stand out is

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their academic background. He has studied
English philology. Yes, he' s

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an intellectual like the Latin Friki cup
and the words. They say words are

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born, grow, develop, reproduce, die, rise. And then he

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loves that and that has given him
a capacity also to be able to surprise

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us, although he never says he
knows Hebrew and Greek, but yet he

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is magnificent. It' s a
hebraistality. He is one of the best

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hebraists we have in Spain, in
the evangelical world. I mean everybody.

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I imagine some brothers will be saying, but this one should be talking about

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him. But I have little to
talk about Tes. No. No,

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no, but we talked on your
show you got him, but you got

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Pedro Darkis, you got Mano loz. Indeed, you have Juan vare José,

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José Segovia has sixty- six names, which we are also having.

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A fragment of them. We can
pass it. The whole dream. That

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' s over, all the rockers
are in the dream. It' s

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really over. Hey, great.
José Segovia is a serial outcast. This

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man is one of the most preeminent
and brilliant minds in the Protestant world.

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And Jose talks to you about music. It is a melomaniac understood, of

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cinema, of literature, of philosophy, of theology, of course, but

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it speaks to you a day,
it is not he, it is not

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invented that is this man And then
the programs that you are producing from Dinami

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Radio is also the truth together with
Daniel pan Duro, who are doing a

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magnificent work of production and who then
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with Route sixty- six or such
the dream. So many things are over.

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Hey, now it' s got
to do with this, with the

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party. It' s over,
this one that has now come out in

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the European Parliament, this one that
sounded a little bit like that, I

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think it' s the man to
the Visens, but well, it'

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s a coincidence like that overboard.
But the idea is that what great minds

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and thinkers. Well, and then
you' re there on the foot of

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a wire talking about today, highlighting
the news of the day very early I

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hear some mornings. And, well, this is the man we have here

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today with us, ladies and gentlemen, and Lucho hard bread hey, Lucho

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you see, you see? The
courtyard is very heated. After the European

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elections that says grace, he says
well, there are twenty- two Members,

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unlike the socialists who have finished twenty
who have remained good, have lost

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one seat, unlike what they had
five years ago. Of course, but

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they' ve lost eight hundred thousand
votes. You mean, he' s

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won the PP eight hundred minutes.
No. No, they have lost two

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and a half million votes to the
Socialists, compared to the last election in

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Europe. And the PP has won, compared to the last elections, the

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last ones here, our Spanish,
eight hundred thousand votes. Almost eight hundred

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thousand more votes. It means,
well, if that' s not winning

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by beating, I don' t
know what it' s like to win

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or lose, because it says well, they don' t say they haven

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' t won. And I'
m not saying that because if they'

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d won, the others would just
like to ride a pair here to say

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the opposite. What I see on
Wednesday when the government is under control is

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that when the government is under control, I was seeing on Wednesday the questions

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asked by the opposition to Mr Sánchez, the President of the Government and the

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management of Vice- President Montero.
How ridiculous, what a slum, how

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ugly This woman is not the president
of incognito, because she has to leave

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him this soon, because it is
the ruin of the country. That woman

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is politically unpresentable and is also a
heavy championship. I think there are people

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who, regardless of whether you differ
from political thinking, have height, have

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level. You' ll disagree,
but they talk as they should, it

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' s grinning arguments and so on, but it' s just that we

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' re now running into a gang
that' s all grunt and the mud

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machine and all that. I think
that and this is it. This is

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if you saw each other from an
external projection that someone told you guys.

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This is too much. This gives
already, this is emphatic. Not anymore,

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not using this terminology, because the
people themselves, our own voters,

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are already saying hear what happens.
This is incredible because listen, if you

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say, they are doing it in
a place where no one sees it and

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that the media emits everything that is
really seen and without a doubt, the

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gestures made by Maria Jesús Montero Montero, obviously are of commentary and commentary that

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express a sense that is beautiful the
pathological, because really the one that you

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are in favor, that you impact
to some extent the leader that you have

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in front of you. Or,
for example, we who say you appreciate

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your pastor, let' s say
that in this case you already super-

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appreciate your President venerates him. So
it' s okay, it' s

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not okay, but I really think
you have to look to some extent effectively

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at what, for example, yesterday
has been done. Obviously, that is

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neither healthy nor beneficial, but as
they really all submit it to an ideal

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world, then, obviously that must
remain really without taking good note of how

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badly I know how ridiculous the poor
woman is. That' s what I

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mean with you, as you'
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so ridiculous aesthetics. Well, there
are those who give a damn about aesthetics,

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but I think you have to keep
the shapes a little bit, even

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if you speak plainly and are confrontational, and yes yes and I don'

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t know intentional in what you want
to say, and you' re also

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a person who goes to the dialectical
clash, but with arguments, with arguments

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or against arguments, in disagreements and
so on. But this thing about the

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machine, the mud, the armentry, the three ultra- rights and the

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three ultra- lefts plus the terrorists, the ex- terrorists, the ETA,

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those that are much worse, it' s much worse than that doesn

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' t exist on the ultra-
left, it doesn' t exist,

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at least in its diclonary, in
its say in its Insulex. There is

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not only the ultra- right and
it is really a mistake in that sense,

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in typifying from that time that the
Popular Party also what in the last

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Now, all I know a little, President Pedro Sanchez, is tra is

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an anodino discourse. Moreover, it
is that Feijón is not far- right,

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it is center- right, and
the Popular Party of Spain is a

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center- right party that makes alliances
with him, with you, because it

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is the only party that can do
it. Obviously, on the left,

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he doesn' t want to do
anything with them or with the left.

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Usually, some specific exfections, such
as the Barcelona City Council that has given

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Coibón the position, are very punctual
things, but that usually not now if

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it is doing the same and worse
with the ultra left and with the terrorists

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included in the sack. I mean, it means that, but what criticisms

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of what it is, is that
this is so absurd and so far-

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fetched that I am ashamed to see, for example, now the European elections

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and that the media also speak so
much at the level of Europe that if

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the ultra- right is winning,
then and indeed they have grown, but

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in any case, there is a
moderately stable bloc where the popular are,

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there are socialists and, curiously,
in Europe many proposals have worked together.

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Yeah. Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? The

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problem is what we have here from
the People' s Party and the Socialists,

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who are not able to reach any
agreement, because one does not want

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and the other stays because you leave
and because I stay, that is,

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really in the end for each other
and the house without sweeping not because you

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notice. How paralyzed are the things
being done. Well, the legislative power

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is a total penalty, It is
like in Catalonia, among the sainete of

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the elections pre- good the sainete
of the referendum, that that is impossible

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mission. They have to be the
third- thirds of the House and there

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can be no trapping there as long
as there is no constitutional change that they

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are not possible today, even if
there are some trappings that have been made

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with Amnesty, but at that level
it cannot be done and I am still

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amazed that journalists are talking about this. A national referendum cannot be called.

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It cannot be constitutionally impossible. It
means talking about this to waste time,

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when we have an endless list of
needs. It is all semi paralyzed in

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a region as important as Catalonia,
in stands, in doctors and nurses,

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with the deficit of medical care,
in centers, of cats, of outpatients.

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There are countless issues parked in the
drought. Thank God it' s

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raining these days, but having a
forward- looking view of salicinizers and other

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practical issues, there' s a
lot, there' s an endless list

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of things. And talking about the
Los Angeles sex guys. And while the

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Turks are invading constantino pla, while
the fathers of the time of the Church

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were speaking in themselves at the tip
of a pin there were how many angels

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there were. The Turks were invading
Constantinople means that we are eaten by those

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who eat bedbugs, but we have
to work clearly and if you would say

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that this does not cost anything really
July, for we would say finally hear

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what we are going to do to
him no, but it is that we

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have to see the money per day
that costs to keep in these characteristics a

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Parliament practically paralyzed and that care has
already begun to transcend to other powers of

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the State, as is, for
example, the judiciary. The judiciary is

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being overloaded to try to defend something
that the Constitution grants to it, which

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is its own independence. Look at
what happened yesterday with the proposal made by

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the President. Yes, it'
s danger That' s very dangerous.

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That would create a revolt not only
of the entire opposing political class, but

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of civil society. That would generate
a real social revolution. That won'

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t dare do it. It'
s a bravado of yours, because that

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' s a brutal constitutional insurrection.
It is true that there is no agreement

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there for the political interests of each
other, but unilaterally to control the judiciary,

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which is what Sanchez wants. Then
the love bar. Then that would

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be a social but brutal mess.
It would paralyze a lot of things,

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there would be a sit- down
strike and democracy would be in danger.

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He' d be in danger.
Indeed, it is a serious problem.

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It would be violated in a fragrant
manner from the Constitution. They have said

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the same legal thing, because this
is not our field. If they don

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' t talk to us, we
don' t understand the seriousness of what

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the President really is, from the
executive branch, really posing for the purposes

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of not seeing you, the College
of Prosecutors has already come out of saying

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that this is really appropriate. Of
course, what he is proposing and the

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statement was practically filmed yesterday. But
I see that not only is one really

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paralyzed, but the judiciary is actually
having difficulties, too, look at the

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Amnesty Act. Now everything is in
consultation and that means a judiciary that is

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already overburdened accurately to put it in
a process of greater relatization. You understand

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me there. So that' s
a shame. A reform of the judiciary

411
00:40:51.880 --> 00:40:57.679
should not be undertaken, because the
roles of the judiciary are clearly set out

412
00:40:59.199 --> 00:41:01.719
in what is to be blocked is
the General Council of the Judiciary, that

413
00:41:01.760 --> 00:41:07.840
this must be reactivated by the mediation
that has been tried by Europe, by

414
00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:13.880
the European Commissioner. There' s
been no way, but there has to

415
00:41:13.880 --> 00:41:15.639
be. There has to be.
That' s true, because that has

416
00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:21.239
to be reactivated. What the current
government intends to do is to control the

417
00:41:21.280 --> 00:41:25.840
General Council of the Judiciary to bring
disgust to its sardine and trap it,

418
00:41:27.960 --> 00:41:34.119
as well as the issue of the
democratic quality package that Sanchez wants to do

419
00:41:34.360 --> 00:41:39.119
to silence the media that are somehow
different from those that disagree with the political

420
00:41:39.159 --> 00:41:49.920
criteria of the Government. Then this
man is desperate. Here' s a

421
00:41:49.920 --> 00:41:52.079
mess, be men, it'
s wrong. Apart from all the troubles,

422
00:41:52.519 --> 00:41:55.400
now the brother, the wife,
we' ll see how the cabbage

423
00:41:55.440 --> 00:42:02.559
ends, the Tito Berni about the
results, which are more than precarious this

424
00:42:02.679 --> 00:42:10.800
political improvisation thing before. I think
he' s very nervous. It'

425
00:42:10.800 --> 00:42:15.800
s clear, uh, even though
he tries not to look like it,

426
00:42:15.079 --> 00:42:17.920
uh, he has to be anyway. Apart from that, practically a sword

427
00:42:19.760 --> 00:42:25.639
of Damocles hangs in this situation,
because notice if in Catalonia it does not

428
00:42:25.679 --> 00:42:31.559
really come together that government that is
formed, is going to have to call

429
00:42:31.599 --> 00:42:37.000
new elections and definitely more waste time
and it will leave very poorly positioned to

430
00:42:37.039 --> 00:42:42.559
him, with which practically believe that
it will have to simultaneously, also convoorte

431
00:42:42.679 --> 00:42:45.880
to the elections he, with which
it would end the government is that you

432
00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:53.280
know remember what we are talking about
today and that nobody hears us, I

433
00:42:53.360 --> 00:43:00.360
will not say it, has no
wide political spare parts of a leader like

434
00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:05.039
him, so cynical and so much
the verborrhea that he has and besides,

435
00:43:05.559 --> 00:43:10.320
it is presentable, as well as
pretty girls and all that, all that

436
00:43:10.320 --> 00:43:15.760
he has. There is not one
right now who has that profile of the

437
00:43:15.840 --> 00:43:22.800
party leader, neither male nor female, neither of the sexes. The only

438
00:43:22.800 --> 00:43:27.000
one, the only one possible,
very possible, remember what I tell you

439
00:43:27.559 --> 00:43:31.119
when Sanchez falls, because he'
s going to fall before the end of

440
00:43:31.239 --> 00:43:36.320
the year or by far in the
first semester of next year, he'

441
00:43:36.360 --> 00:43:37.639
s going to have to call elections
and he' s going to lose them.

442
00:43:37.719 --> 00:43:39.840
Evidently, and he' s going
to be gone. I don'

443
00:43:39.840 --> 00:43:46.119
t know where, but the only
one who has a profile more or less,

444
00:43:47.199 --> 00:43:51.960
sort of isn' t Salvador.
She is the one who surely the

445
00:43:52.039 --> 00:43:57.000
new candidate who would not win the
elections, but who would be the candidate

446
00:43:57.039 --> 00:44:01.840
to lead the Socialist Party works his
Spanish I preconce it to you, because

447
00:44:01.920 --> 00:44:05.800
he is a more temperate man.
It is regardless of whether it is his

448
00:44:05.840 --> 00:44:08.760
master' s voice, he is
forced right now, but the milder one

449
00:44:08.880 --> 00:44:14.840
is more serene, he has a
well- furnished head within what socialism is.

450
00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:22.719
It is among the oldest and most
current. It moves in an intermediate

451
00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:29.159
way. He' s a negotiator, he knows how to agree and he

452
00:44:29.239 --> 00:44:35.800
doesn' t go that far on
some issues, as you' re going

453
00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:38.679
along with him, and obviously he' s seeing himself there today that he

454
00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:45.199
' s been able to sing the
guy, even though he' s been

455
00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:45.199
practically sloppy by the pro- independences, because he' s won the elections.

456
00:44:45.320 --> 00:44:49.320
He' s won. However,
it is very likely that it will

457
00:44:49.400 --> 00:44:52.559
not do any good. That'
s not a bad thing about losing independence.

458
00:44:52.280 --> 00:45:00.440
The failure of the independence movement is
worse that it is much worse than

459
00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:06.639
with convergence and unity and Puyol,
who still had a primacy over Catalonia,

460
00:45:06.760 --> 00:45:13.400
that is, they have gone to
the oldest of the lun is that it

461
00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:16.440
is a collapse of the discourse.
If I were an independentist, an ideologist

462
00:45:16.559 --> 00:45:23.760
of independence, it could obviously be
what I am not moderate. I'

463
00:45:23.840 --> 00:45:27.400
d say we' re going to
have a medium- and long- term

464
00:45:27.400 --> 00:45:30.760
strategy. Let' s work differently. We' ve had our balloon punctured.

465
00:45:30.639 --> 00:45:36.360
We' re not going to get
to Itaka, as Yuis jack says

466
00:45:36.480 --> 00:45:42.920
to our Utopian island delusion. Let' s go, we have to make

467
00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:46.519
a series of pacts and walk one
way and unwind others. And, of

468
00:45:46.639 --> 00:45:52.840
course, an attempt was new,
because the powers of the state would be

469
00:45:52.880 --> 00:45:54.679
much more aggressive as one. They' re not gonna do it. That

470
00:45:54.719 --> 00:45:55.679
' s not what they' re
gonna say. I know they won'

471
00:45:55.719 --> 00:46:01.440
t, because that' s just
talking for talking. But and it would

472
00:46:01.559 --> 00:46:07.079
be much more severe. But we' re kind of paralyzed. If you

473
00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:10.800
realize, I fight clearly this July
and how they are there, there is

474
00:46:10.840 --> 00:46:16.920
a chance that the independenceists will actually
come to form government and Parmeno will not.

475
00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:20.400
I' ve added up It doesn' t count. No. No.

476
00:46:20.599 --> 00:46:23.119
No. No. The Socialist Party
would be divided. In addition,

477
00:46:23.320 --> 00:46:30.440
the Socialist Party and I know it
because inside I have information now there is

478
00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:30.920
a force and also in the other
party. It seems to me that it

479
00:46:31.039 --> 00:46:36.800
is that Republican in Catalonia who have
said that with her nothing good is in

480
00:46:36.840 --> 00:46:39.639
front of the gallery. Above all, it is going through low hours and

481
00:46:39.760 --> 00:46:46.599
the Republicans have to regroup, It
has to reassemble politically until then there is

482
00:46:46.679 --> 00:46:52.480
also its congress in November. It' s just that Oriol Dungueras may be

483
00:46:52.480 --> 00:46:58.079
re- elected again. Marta Rovira
is there now, but Marta Rovira is

484
00:46:58.280 --> 00:47:00.840
not a person, she does not
have the capacity that Oriol Junkeras has.

485
00:47:01.559 --> 00:47:06.920
I don' t see another leader
in sight, you don' t see

486
00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:08.440
it' s also an assembly party. But with it, I think it

487
00:47:08.519 --> 00:47:15.440
' ll be Oriol Jungeras and good
and they' ll come back. They

488
00:47:15.519 --> 00:47:20.559
are able to agree because they are
more, although they have every three minutes

489
00:47:20.599 --> 00:47:22.599
to say we want the referendum,
we want Amnesty. Well enigy, so

490
00:47:22.599 --> 00:47:27.880
it' s been possible. You
understand that in the short term you have

491
00:47:27.880 --> 00:47:30.440
to agree, because you have to
move forward, you have to move forward.

492
00:47:30.519 --> 00:47:34.840
They' re no more pro than
you should all really start looking for

493
00:47:34.960 --> 00:47:37.280
mini agreements, even if it'
s minimal, so that the topic starts

494
00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:45.480
to work. And then demon disappears
the scene when it will be clearly exonerated

495
00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:49.599
at the end. Well, now
with the subject of imputation, the embezzlement

496
00:47:49.679 --> 00:47:52.639
of funds, that' s going
to have it raw and they' re

497
00:47:52.719 --> 00:47:59.199
going to put off their Amnesty a
lot. But we' ll see if

498
00:47:59.280 --> 00:48:00.840
it' s possible in the end. But in any case, once this

499
00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:12.079
soap is finished, he disappears.
It' s my political intuition. He

500
00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:15.599
' s leaving now he' s
trying to make all care within everyone,

501
00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:17.000
he' s the one who'
s spoken out the clearest. Hey,

502
00:48:19.280 --> 00:48:21.440
he said what he thought, he
said what he was going to do,

503
00:48:21.800 --> 00:48:23.039
and he always says what he'
s going to do. He doesn'

504
00:48:24.039 --> 00:48:29.159
t cheat, he has the political
itch to have, no, but in

505
00:48:29.239 --> 00:48:35.079
terms of saying things, he'
s the clearest of all. So you

506
00:48:35.239 --> 00:48:38.920
first talked about the issue and in
a clear way. And that, of

507
00:48:38.920 --> 00:48:44.360
course, also marks in a matter
of contention. Let' s say,

508
00:48:44.840 --> 00:48:46.920
no, yeah, well, we
have those parts. Notice that the case

509
00:48:47.000 --> 00:48:52.320
of Koldo, the Begoña, Gomez
and all that were like eclipsed when the

510
00:48:52.400 --> 00:48:58.400
brawl appeared on the other hand a
little more. But this Cainite culture in

511
00:48:58.480 --> 00:49:04.039
Spanish politics has to end. I
don' t know how the aggressiveness from

512
00:49:04.159 --> 00:49:09.159
the ultra- i e, from
the left to the right and from the

513
00:49:09.239 --> 00:49:15.159
ultra- left, and from the
ultra- right, towards each other,

514
00:49:15.519 --> 00:49:20.079
is going to be taken care of. This Cainite violence does not mean that

515
00:49:20.320 --> 00:49:25.800
they are cursed, they hate each
other to death and, moreover, they

516
00:49:25.960 --> 00:49:30.400
do not reach their hands by little, and it is that neither many of

517
00:49:30.400 --> 00:49:34.119
them are spoken of, that is, that no, it has no political

518
00:49:34.119 --> 00:49:37.519
elegance at that level. But I
don' t know how to raise a

519
00:49:38.119 --> 00:49:43.320
voice that says what you think,
but that is a conciliatory voice of gentlemen.

520
00:49:44.360 --> 00:49:50.360
Let us express our differences, but
we must have limits in terms of

521
00:49:50.960 --> 00:49:58.719
improperities and gratuitous disqualifications. Let us
defend our positions with arguments to the point

522
00:49:58.800 --> 00:50:01.280
of satiety, but let us not
be in this Cainite struggle. There should

523
00:50:01.320 --> 00:50:07.039
be no respect indeed. Of course, we must continue to work with the

524
00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:14.280
issue of ethics and aesthetics We must
have qualities and characteristics that are exemplary in

525
00:50:14.360 --> 00:50:16.519
that sense, because we must not
forget that we do not represent ourselves,

526
00:50:16.960 --> 00:50:21.519
represent us to a soma, to
a party, but are representing the citizenry,

527
00:50:21.719 --> 00:50:27.719
who really considered them to be valid
personalities to be able to represent them

528
00:50:27.880 --> 00:50:30.199
and what a small representation they are
making of those voters. No, then

529
00:50:30.320 --> 00:50:37.920
that really is a shame that another
problem that the current government has is the

530
00:50:38.079 --> 00:50:45.400
issue of adding the resignation, because
I think it has been consistent with the

531
00:50:45.440 --> 00:50:50.280
formation, the new formation, adding
that it was grouping and directing Yolanda Díaz,

532
00:50:50.599 --> 00:50:53.480
I think they say well, why
not resign as Vice- President.

533
00:50:53.599 --> 00:50:59.679
Well maybe it would be your thing
but well, at least at the training

534
00:50:59.679 --> 00:51:02.480
level. In fact, I believe
that it has been consistent and, of

535
00:51:02.599 --> 00:51:07.960
course, that will generate gibberish on
the left as well. And there'

536
00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:15.719
s another problem there, too,
sanchez, but well, strange dwarfs come

537
00:51:15.840 --> 00:51:21.079
out everywhere. Some things are predictable, others, of course, are emerging

538
00:51:21.159 --> 00:51:23.199
on the road, not as the
case of adding that no longer adds up.

539
00:51:23.320 --> 00:51:28.199
Of course, so everyone is seeing
how they really fix this question that

540
00:51:28.679 --> 00:51:30.440
if it is for the Party'
s aspiration, which is not going to

541
00:51:30.480 --> 00:51:36.039
arrive at the party, it continues
to stay in that conglomerate of small parties

542
00:51:36.039 --> 00:51:39.920
that will, of course, try
to move forward along the way. And,

543
00:51:40.039 --> 00:51:43.840
on the other hand, Yolanda Diaz
is leaving, but she' s

544
00:51:43.960 --> 00:51:47.360
not leaving. Not that is also
true, because it leaves that which hurts

545
00:51:49.000 --> 00:51:52.639
it, but it stays in that
which adds it, it is forgiven to

546
00:51:52.679 --> 00:51:55.639
struggle, they are going to have
to go all within not much, because

547
00:51:57.440 --> 00:52:05.119
this is inexhaustible the situation that there
water is made everywhere. But, in

548
00:52:05.199 --> 00:52:08.800
the meantime, the country needs to
be governed and led and people working on

549
00:52:08.800 --> 00:52:15.880
what needs to be done, on
operational issues, on the needs of citizens,

550
00:52:16.039 --> 00:52:21.000
which are many, because if we
work July, of course because we

551
00:52:21.119 --> 00:52:27.320
have to pay our taxes, we
have to pay our living costs. And

552
00:52:27.360 --> 00:52:30.760
obviously, the ones who don'
t work are just them fighting, so

553
00:52:30.800 --> 00:52:34.639
hopefully they' ll be the first
to set the example. If you stop

554
00:52:34.679 --> 00:52:38.800
fighting and work. I think that
article I have is if I were in

555
00:52:38.840 --> 00:52:44.639
the Congress of Deputies. Perhaps it
does not vary in my case, but

556
00:52:45.880 --> 00:52:47.960
I assure you that I would go
up to the rostrum and put a quarrel

557
00:52:49.039 --> 00:52:52.280
with those on the right and those
on the left, to some and others,

558
00:52:52.679 --> 00:52:58.159
to some more than others, because
they are the ones responsible that are

559
00:52:58.239 --> 00:53:07.639
increasingly generating an embroiderment. That in
those workers in which we have to get

560
00:53:07.719 --> 00:53:13.039
up early early in order to be
able to do our homework, to have

561
00:53:13.159 --> 00:53:19.320
to fulfill all the commitments the Julio
entrepreneurs themselves have to work to face challenges

562
00:53:19.480 --> 00:53:22.800
and that really, because it is
not so little so pastry everything, because

563
00:53:22.920 --> 00:53:27.760
you have seen it has been a
little scared, a little there below the

564
00:53:27.800 --> 00:53:30.639
issue of wars and conflicts, but
there they are marking the prices of oil,

565
00:53:31.000 --> 00:53:35.800
etcetera, etcetera, that complicates us. I' m thinking of all

566
00:53:35.960 --> 00:53:37.920
the citizenship you have to do and
do your duty. So what you really

567
00:53:37.960 --> 00:53:43.159
expect from your politicians is that you
solve the part that belongs to them.

568
00:53:44.199 --> 00:53:47.320
But really, because it is not
possible, they should have at least a

569
00:53:47.400 --> 00:53:53.679
little compassion from all of us.
No yes, then we have the international

570
00:53:53.679 --> 00:53:57.360
stage. Still the conflict and in
between, which is what is getting all

571
00:53:57.400 --> 00:54:06.159
the attention, still the conflict between
the Gaza Strip and the terrorists. Never

572
00:54:06.239 --> 00:54:12.719
control him and never and that conflict
really, unfortunately, the population of Assati

573
00:54:12.880 --> 00:54:17.280
is in the middle of this matter
and we are suffering the dos which,

574
00:54:17.760 --> 00:54:22.199
on the other hand. Nor do
I hear in all the images that I

575
00:54:22.800 --> 00:54:29.119
see the statements that there are none
that you have ever spoken of. They

576
00:54:29.199 --> 00:54:31.960
all speak evil of Israel. Of
course, hatred, hatred is inaccurate,

577
00:54:32.159 --> 00:54:39.079
hatred and animosity towards Israel from the
cradle inoculate this in the nurseries already to

578
00:54:39.920 --> 00:54:46.360
hate Israel to death and they are
clearly within that strip that is Israeli territory,

579
00:54:46.639 --> 00:54:54.159
of course. And well this could
have been maintained. Badly good,

580
00:54:54.480 --> 00:55:00.719
because from time to time the rockets
launch those which is ridiculous, but who

581
00:55:00.960 --> 00:55:07.599
would have the enemy operational. But
then the madness they committed by killing almost

582
00:55:07.679 --> 00:55:14.880
1, 300 people and kidnapping 250
people. That was the triggers of this

583
00:55:15.000 --> 00:55:21.079
madness and the civilian population is painful. It gives me the heart to see

584
00:55:21.159 --> 00:55:27.119
the deaths of the innocent, that
Israel is relentlessly attacking, that this war

585
00:55:27.280 --> 00:55:30.000
has to end, yes, it
does have to be fought. What'

586
00:55:30.119 --> 00:55:35.360
s going to happen is that they' re going to militarize the entire Gaza

587
00:55:35.360 --> 00:55:42.599
Strip, and obviously, they'
ve already broken up a bunch of miles

588
00:55:42.679 --> 00:55:45.840
of tunnels and real dustbins that the
UN is clearly saying that, but in

589
00:55:46.000 --> 00:55:54.000
UN headquarters were the terrorists sheltered with
weapons. It' s never too often

590
00:55:54.079 --> 00:55:57.960
that there' s some complicity in
these who are there. And this isn

591
00:55:58.039 --> 00:56:02.440
' t right. There' s
practically a sixty percent say it' s

592
00:56:02.559 --> 00:56:07.519
part of the support. There is
never any other part that may be in

593
00:56:07.440 --> 00:56:12.400
some neutral way because of the circumstance
is indeed a victim of the issue,

594
00:56:12.920 --> 00:56:16.280
but it is the apparatus of never
i e they understand that this is a

595
00:56:16.360 --> 00:56:20.400
heroic mission that they have to do
for their people and they have that is

596
00:56:20.400 --> 00:56:23.719
what they have eaten the coconut.
Obviously, and as long as there are

597
00:56:23.719 --> 00:56:28.760
these positions, unfortunately, Israel will
continue to crush what it is doing.

598
00:56:29.239 --> 00:56:31.519
And the other problem is when the
peace agreements come, they don' t

599
00:56:32.360 --> 00:56:36.239
really want the agreements look at you. Now the one who has put practically

600
00:56:36.320 --> 00:56:40.079
the difficulties in the last agreement that
the United States has put forward is never

601
00:56:40.119 --> 00:56:45.039
or ever said that not to accept
those conditions from which they have put,

602
00:56:45.320 --> 00:56:49.679
when it is their population that is
suffering. There' s not going to

603
00:56:49.760 --> 00:56:52.079
be a good war. They'
re gonna have to come to a bad

604
00:56:52.239 --> 00:56:54.440
deal, which is better than a
good war. July, because and that

605
00:56:54.559 --> 00:57:00.159
on both sides no longer even speak
in this sense of those who started this

606
00:57:00.280 --> 00:57:06.480
whole story, who are those of
never. If these poor people, regardless

607
00:57:06.559 --> 00:57:12.719
of whether they tell us anything because
they' re aligned, they' re

608
00:57:12.800 --> 00:57:15.280
also very influenced, but they'
re also afraid. They are very afraid

609
00:57:15.400 --> 00:57:20.880
of reprisals, which might suppose saying
something is fear also what more reprisal they

610
00:57:21.000 --> 00:57:24.119
are going to be to the poor
if they have been massacred, they have

611
00:57:24.199 --> 00:57:28.360
killed almost thirty- five thousand thirty
and I do not know how the number

612
00:57:29.400 --> 00:57:32.000
of victims is going now. It' s for the people to get up

613
00:57:32.000 --> 00:57:36.519
and tell them if they don'
t leave them anymore or sit down to

614
00:57:36.599 --> 00:57:38.719
negotiate or leave us alone. Really, because, if not, they are

615
00:57:38.719 --> 00:57:43.760
the perfect shield where they camouflage clearly, of course you' re commenting,

616
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of course it is. There has
to be a cut- off point of

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this story, because if it is
not going to follow the fact, the

618
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death of the innocent is what most
constrains us and all the people of good

619
00:57:58.000 --> 00:58:00.920
is evident, I am eager that
the war will stop for that reason and

620
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that, obviously, Israel will militarize
the whole area and control it, because

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with that it will do it and
do what is so clear to the one

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00:58:08.719 --> 00:58:13.000
who moves, they will remove it
from the middle, because the moment they

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00:58:13.199 --> 00:58:17.599
stop and stop that for some way, because it is difficult to see those

624
00:58:17.800 --> 00:58:22.360
images where people have already come to
us, it will be July, where

625
00:58:22.360 --> 00:58:25.639
they really move them, they attack
them do, because the others are moving.

626
00:58:27.280 --> 00:58:31.840
The intelligence service must also be working
the mosaic in this regard and the

627
00:58:31.960 --> 00:58:37.039
military intelligence service so that they can
actually locate the targets. And those targets

628
00:58:37.159 --> 00:58:40.440
have almost always been where the Russian
population is, because it' s their

629
00:58:40.519 --> 00:58:47.000
shield. Well, they' ve
already dismantled a very high percentage of military

630
00:58:47.159 --> 00:58:52.400
targets of never the only thing,
which is the invasion of the strip and

631
00:58:52.599 --> 00:58:59.599
militarization. But that would stop the
war and stop the deaths the end of

632
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the war, at least that they
say well, the question of two states,

633
00:59:02.440 --> 00:59:05.760
of who will speak of two states
now, with all this situation,

634
00:59:06.320 --> 00:59:10.360
if it was never the one that
generated all this terrible situation of deaths and

635
00:59:10.440 --> 00:59:17.639
unthinkable attacks and Israel will not give
in and more, what Israel is like.

636
00:59:19.559 --> 00:59:22.679
Everything he does is not right,
done as we say, but,

637
00:59:23.039 --> 00:59:30.519
obviously there is one reality and there
is something else. We have to.

638
00:59:30.599 --> 00:59:32.800
It has to defend its population,
it has to defend to some extent as

639
00:59:32.800 --> 00:59:37.719
well. Its State is a State
and with technology far superior to that of

640
00:59:37.800 --> 00:59:43.360
the other States around it, as
they have. Obviously, then they'

641
00:59:43.400 --> 00:59:45.920
re going to use it. Of
course, the others don' t want

642
00:59:45.960 --> 00:59:47.719
to mess with them anymore because they
don' t want to. But notice

643
00:59:47.920 --> 00:59:52.679
you will see here on this Sunday
16th June, at six o' clock

644
00:59:52.719 --> 00:59:58.159
in the afternoon, here in the
Plaza shan Yauma, in front of the

645
00:59:58.159 --> 01:00:00.960
Palau government, of generality, there
will be a call from all the Jewish

646
01:00:01.039 --> 01:00:07.079
communities and organizations of Catalonia. They
are making a call, but they are

647
01:00:07.119 --> 01:00:14.760
also calling the Christian people to good, mostly the evangelicals, mostly the Pentecostals,

648
01:00:15.440 --> 01:00:23.440
who the others also have a very
particular political argument to not get wet

649
01:00:23.440 --> 01:00:30.920
with anything, nor only from the
trench criticize. But the question is that

650
01:00:30.960 --> 01:00:37.639
some thousands of people will be summoned
for the first time, to protest against

651
01:00:37.280 --> 01:00:42.199
the anti- Semitism that exists in
our country, which is being promoted by

652
01:00:42.199 --> 01:00:46.119
the Spanish Government. He has never
congratulated the Spanish Government three times three times,

653
01:00:46.360 --> 01:00:52.840
never three times. And then the
conflicts he' s seeing with the

654
01:00:53.159 --> 01:00:58.679
embassies of Israel and Spain. Then
they will also claim the release of the

655
01:00:58.760 --> 01:01:05.159
hostages who are still being kidnapped and
they will also express their solidarity with Israel,

656
01:01:05.639 --> 01:01:09.519
with historic Israel, with Israel that
has the right to survive and live

657
01:01:09.519 --> 01:01:15.960
in peace, regardless of whether it
is distressing on a humanitarian issue, the

658
01:01:15.960 --> 01:01:20.199
deaths of innocent people. I'
ve talked to the organizers and I say

659
01:01:20.280 --> 01:01:22.960
this to me, it breaks my
heart. But they' re going out.

660
01:01:23.039 --> 01:01:27.079
And they are going out, because
with all right, everyone is going

661
01:01:27.119 --> 01:01:30.199
against it and they are going to
come out to claim that it will be

662
01:01:30.239 --> 01:01:34.960
Sunday afternoon the Plaza San Jauma,
where many, many will see a few

663
01:01:35.039 --> 01:01:38.039
thousand that they will say and it
seems good to me, it cannot be

664
01:01:38.400 --> 01:01:47.440
otherwise we really, because we are
out of love and sympathy that to some

665
01:01:47.519 --> 01:01:52.480
extent we have that people and because
our God asks us and that we really

666
01:01:52.519 --> 01:02:00.920
cry for the place and that the
peace of Jerusalem. Peace in Israel is

667
01:02:00.199 --> 01:02:02.639
a peace that affects the Julio world, because it is a peace that is

668
01:02:02.760 --> 01:02:07.039
not ours, it is not human, It is a peace of God that

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01:02:07.480 --> 01:02:09.920
really comes and we are convinced that
it will bring peace also in the midst

670
01:02:09.920 --> 01:02:13.559
of that conflict. We believe that
prayer in that sense has power. It

671
01:02:14.559 --> 01:02:17.000
is a tool that God has given
us, but that really comes from him

672
01:02:17.000 --> 01:02:22.639
and that is very powerful, without
a doubt, and that must be supported

673
01:02:22.760 --> 01:02:31.559
from our hides, because really anti- Semitism is a pernicious ideology that is

674
01:02:31.760 --> 01:02:38.119
growing in these times, because we
have practically forgotten what happened in the time

675
01:02:38.280 --> 01:02:45.719
of the Nazis, that really ruthless
action. They were losing the war.

676
01:02:46.280 --> 01:02:52.679
They needed to transport resources so that
the troops could function on the German front.

677
01:02:53.199 --> 01:02:55.880
And one of the things that wasn' t explained was why those provisions

678
01:02:57.039 --> 01:03:02.239
didn' t come in and it
was because the two of them were moving

679
01:03:02.320 --> 01:03:07.880
Jews to the concentration camps to exterminate
him. So it was that thought that

680
01:03:07.960 --> 01:03:10.920
we really know it today by history, obviously, and so you have to

681
01:03:10.960 --> 01:03:15.599
be very careful with this one and
you have to support everything that comes in

682
01:03:15.639 --> 01:03:19.199
that sense so that you know that
we are also what we don' t

683
01:03:19.199 --> 01:03:22.239
think like them. But and the
denialists of history and, moreover, the

684
01:03:22.119 --> 01:03:28.360
quantity, the expulsion of all the
Jewish Sephardic of Spain, in a way,

685
01:03:28.760 --> 01:03:31.360
the spoliation that was made to them, they were stripped of their goods,

686
01:03:31.719 --> 01:03:36.360
of the marvels, not only of
Spain, but of the Peninsula,

687
01:03:36.400 --> 01:03:40.440
and we say that the Iberian Peninsula
is also Portugal, that we do forget

688
01:03:40.480 --> 01:03:45.960
our brothers. There was no Portugal. It did not yet exist, it

689
01:03:46.039 --> 01:03:51.960
was the Kingdom of Spain. Then
it was a little later. But the

690
01:03:52.119 --> 01:03:59.840
question is that ancestral anti- Semitism. And there' s a question.

691
01:04:00.840 --> 01:04:05.760
We do not agree with all Israel' s political actions, because they also

692
01:04:05.880 --> 01:04:16.079
make mistakes. But cursing Israel has
consequences. It has consequences. It is

693
01:04:16.199 --> 01:04:23.239
a people chosen by God and it
is, regardless of whether God wants them

694
01:04:23.239 --> 01:04:26.800
to come to repentance like anyone else. But to faith in Christ Jesus the

695
01:04:26.920 --> 01:04:33.280
true messiah. But there is a
final awakening according to Bible prophecies for Israel.

696
01:04:34.760 --> 01:04:40.039
But and there are currently about fifteen
zero Messianic Jews who are truly non

697
01:04:40.840 --> 01:04:45.440
- gentle Jews who become Jews like
these, who go with all this paraphernalias,

698
01:04:45.199 --> 01:04:48.519
that is, messianism, which is
a scroll of whereabouts of those of

699
01:04:48.960 --> 01:04:55.320
fright, that the Messianic Jews themselves
complain because they say, discredit us with

700
01:04:55.519 --> 01:05:03.039
these quagmires that these make. But
the truth is that Israel has divine promises,

701
01:05:03.119 --> 01:05:06.679
because it is a people chosen by
God. Yes, it was the

702
01:05:06.679 --> 01:05:11.480
vehicle. Then he came out,
he was dead and through that we came

703
01:05:11.599 --> 01:05:15.960
to be blessed. But now we
have to arouse Israel to jealousy, as

704
01:05:15.039 --> 01:05:20.719
the apostle Paul No. But in
the meantime, there is a premise and

705
01:05:20.719 --> 01:05:25.800
a number of scriptures telling us to
bless Israel as God' s beloved people

706
01:05:26.599 --> 01:05:30.760
and the one who curses. Israel
has consequences, a country that curses the

707
01:05:30.800 --> 01:05:33.599
real one has. Well, we' re already seeing him and we'

708
01:05:33.599 --> 01:05:39.760
re gonna see him. Unfortunately,
this is the point of view as far

709
01:05:39.960 --> 01:05:45.559
as we are concerned, I was
seeing in digital Protestant. Well, the

710
01:05:45.639 --> 01:05:53.320
other day we interviewed Mario Escobar and
he published La Librera de Madrid. It

711
01:05:53.440 --> 01:05:58.599
is one of his books, which
is what is precisely an evangelical bookshop.

712
01:05:58.719 --> 01:06:03.159
It was there in the future,
in the flietners and all these people,

713
01:06:04.199 --> 01:06:09.079
and good has turned this into a
novel. But it says something very interesting.

714
01:06:09.199 --> 01:06:14.159
Cobalt Marios. We should read to
learn and not repeat mistakes of the

715
01:06:14.159 --> 01:06:19.079
past. You think people read the
Bible. It is still read among us,

716
01:06:20.000 --> 01:06:28.079
or it is only man Sundays.
I think there is a percentage that

717
01:06:28.679 --> 01:06:33.119
reads the Bible, but there is
also another percentage that does not actually read

718
01:06:33.159 --> 01:06:39.119
more than what corresponds to the day
in a hurry and running and the Bible

719
01:06:39.239 --> 01:06:44.239
is a book that needs to be
read with entertainment, you have to meditate,

720
01:06:45.880 --> 01:06:49.800
you have to have a systematic reading
of it really. And because,

721
01:06:49.920 --> 01:06:57.599
apart from that, it' s
interesting because I usually say that the Bible

722
01:06:58.679 --> 01:07:02.679
is addictive, as the Lord retraction
is addictive, because it really gets you

723
01:07:02.760 --> 01:07:10.800
hooked when you realize, you'
ve spent more time than you actually had

724
01:07:10.920 --> 01:07:14.480
to some extent destined for it.
And surely we don' t read as

725
01:07:14.679 --> 01:07:17.880
much as we would like or as
necessary, read each and every one of

726
01:07:18.000 --> 01:07:24.679
us. But there is, of
course, a percentage of brothers who do

727
01:07:24.760 --> 01:07:28.800
not have time. There' s
Julio. I don' t know in

728
01:07:28.800 --> 01:07:31.840
the other churches, but in ours
there' s a reality of people who

729
01:07:32.280 --> 01:07:39.199
work twelve thirteen hours in, say, their jobs, low- paid jobs

730
01:07:39.239 --> 01:07:40.960
and that' s the bulk of
what I have. Then I can'

731
01:07:41.039 --> 01:07:43.960
t ask the poor any more.
Yeah, all I' m doing is

732
01:07:44.559 --> 01:07:49.639
good, at least take the pill
so we can say we can make up

733
01:07:49.639 --> 01:07:54.000
for it. That is not true, but I am also thinking about the

734
01:07:54.199 --> 01:07:57.559
Spanish population. Not that good.
The population is different. I don'

735
01:07:57.679 --> 01:08:02.159
t think you really read very little
here, although it' s curious because

736
01:08:02.320 --> 01:08:10.320
I always love watching when television focuses. That' s the book party.

737
01:08:11.079 --> 01:08:16.760
Here at the retreat and see the
number of books commented I say hey it

738
01:08:16.760 --> 01:08:19.399
seems surprising. It really must be
that people still read. He told him,

739
01:08:20.359 --> 01:08:26.159
because grandeur of materials and people passing
by thousands, thousands to autographs,

740
01:08:27.479 --> 01:08:32.359
to such. But I don'
t think that to some extent the Book

741
01:08:32.439 --> 01:08:38.760
of the Bible is really the most
popular in the population, except in the

742
01:08:39.600 --> 01:08:44.119
collectives, like us or the Catholic
collective, because there are Catholics who read

743
01:08:44.239 --> 01:08:47.000
the Bible to that extent too few, but there are of course, so

744
01:08:47.119 --> 01:08:55.680
I think that our population really does
not know this wonderful book, an exceptional

745
01:08:55.680 --> 01:09:01.199
book, a book that, as
our good friend Joaquin Llebra says, was

746
01:09:01.359 --> 01:09:04.720
special peacefully prepared to be translated.
He said no, all the books are

747
01:09:04.800 --> 01:09:14.039
ready to be translated. The translationability
of the Bible is precisely a characteristic that

748
01:09:14.159 --> 01:09:18.960
shows us that God intended that that
message could really be spread to every language

749
01:09:19.119 --> 01:09:26.880
in the world and that, evidently, already shows a wonderful characteristic. But,

750
01:09:26.920 --> 01:09:33.640
apart from that, knowledge, the
wisdom that history has. I am

751
01:09:33.760 --> 01:09:40.880
now reading a little bit of Paul' s travels and that narrative, the

752
01:09:42.720 --> 01:09:47.199
documentation that Luke establishes is really unique. You know geography is exciting, of

753
01:09:47.319 --> 01:09:51.399
course, yes, but obviously,
you' re missing all that. Let

754
01:09:53.359 --> 01:09:57.239
' s read the Bible. You' re Carlos us. It does not

755
01:09:57.479 --> 01:10:00.399
happen to me if a pastor does
not read the Bible, does not study

756
01:10:00.479 --> 01:10:01.600
the Bible, does not meditate on
the Bible and does not internalize it.

757
01:10:01.920 --> 01:10:06.680
And because it' s a vital
part, it' s the teacher,

758
01:10:06.880 --> 01:10:09.359
it' s the master' s
book of life. In my opinion,

759
01:10:10.119 --> 01:10:15.720
the Bible. But when you walk
through the Bible, the Bible and I

760
01:10:15.760 --> 01:10:18.560
think you' ll agree with me. For example, the Bible has transformed

761
01:10:18.680 --> 01:10:25.760
my life, it has transformed my
way of understanding life, my worldview of

762
01:10:25.800 --> 01:10:30.760
life, it has brought values that
did not exist in me. The Bible

763
01:10:30.800 --> 01:10:36.840
has also been. I listened to
Pastor Juancano this morning who said the Law

764
01:10:36.960 --> 01:10:44.640
of Jehovah is perfect, who converts
the soul, Psalm nineteen and is good

765
01:10:44.720 --> 01:10:46.920
truth, is the Psalm, The
Law of Jehovah is perfect, the word

766
01:10:47.039 --> 01:10:50.920
of God is perfect, which converts
the soul, it is true converts.

767
01:10:51.680 --> 01:11:00.399
It transforms and a metamorphosis in our
whole, integrally ours, our being completely

768
01:11:00.119 --> 01:11:08.000
and obviously produces very benign substantial changes
and, moreover, it gives us an

769
01:11:08.840 --> 01:11:13.800
approach in life, a new attitude
to life. Moreover, the Bible provides

770
01:11:13.880 --> 01:11:18.840
elements of success, of well-
understood success, and success in meeting the

771
01:11:18.920 --> 01:11:21.439
challenges of life. I don'
t know if you' ll agree with

772
01:11:21.439 --> 01:11:25.039
me. Yes, yes, totally
agree and, of course, I believe

773
01:11:25.079 --> 01:11:30.479
that to some extent, of course
we live that and experience it every day,

774
01:11:30.720 --> 01:11:34.520
We leave home with things already resolved. We go out to solve the

775
01:11:35.199 --> 01:11:39.439
things and challenges we have to face
in life, and many of them escape

776
01:11:39.640 --> 01:11:45.239
our capabilities. But, without a
doubt, writing, the Bible was a

777
01:11:45.560 --> 01:11:51.399
fundamental element for us to rest.
First, we can confidently trust God and

778
01:11:51.520 --> 01:11:57.119
he will help us in what we
are like to that. He sometimes knows

779
01:11:57.239 --> 01:12:01.760
and sometimes we also know him and
execute him. But, without a doubt,

780
01:12:01.960 --> 01:12:05.880
it' s a book that helps
you face life. I don'

781
01:12:05.880 --> 01:12:11.319
t understand. People who do not
have this knowledge, who are unprotected,

782
01:12:13.119 --> 01:12:21.359
who say they lack the tools to
be able to transform their realities, are

783
01:12:21.359 --> 01:12:28.800
dispossessed of that. But the Bible
in that regard brings us much sincerely.

784
01:12:29.239 --> 01:12:35.359
We, on the same radio would
not really have more content, because we

785
01:12:35.359 --> 01:12:40.159
could report, bring a number of
things today. But if we do not

786
01:12:40.279 --> 01:12:44.119
have that word of life, which
is in the written word of those promises

787
01:12:44.119 --> 01:12:47.640
of God, we would have nothing
good to communicate. There would be no

788
01:12:47.840 --> 01:12:51.720
hope to communicate to people, and
hope is not our July. The stone

789
01:12:51.800 --> 01:12:57.399
in that sense is what God brings
us in that we can trust what he

790
01:12:57.439 --> 01:13:00.199
has told us, and he has
the prevalence in those difficulties that are really

791
01:13:00.800 --> 01:13:10.520
impossible to supply. I, particularly
I' m living a stage in my

792
01:13:10.640 --> 01:13:15.039
life where I' m really going
to be a grandfather for the first time

793
01:13:15.079 --> 01:13:18.039
and my daughter is in the first
few months and well, I don'

794
01:13:18.039 --> 01:13:19.960
t know why I' m talking. My grandson cannot be a child too,

795
01:13:20.359 --> 01:13:27.079
but with my wife, for example, we have decided this challenge to

796
01:13:27.159 --> 01:13:30.079
place him in the hands of Mr
We weep day by day so that the

797
01:13:30.199 --> 01:13:34.279
Lord, of his grace and his
favor, sheds upon the life of my

798
01:13:34.399 --> 01:13:41.600
daughter, upon the life of my
grandson or my granddaughter who is being formed

799
01:13:41.760 --> 01:13:45.800
and because one really knows the difficulties
faced in that mystery of life by a

800
01:13:45.960 --> 01:13:50.560
mother in the process of the child' s formation. How many questions can

801
01:13:50.800 --> 01:13:55.960
be answered more with misinformation than with
information as much as you read, because

802
01:13:56.039 --> 01:14:00.119
life is a mystery July. But
how nice to be able to rest in

803
01:14:00.239 --> 01:14:02.279
the lord and to be able to
tell the mother everything, to the mother

804
01:14:02.319 --> 01:14:05.199
of the boy, to the girl
in the womb, quiet, daughter,

805
01:14:05.359 --> 01:14:10.520
everything will be fine. The Lord
is in control and he has really designed

806
01:14:10.640 --> 01:14:15.760
all these processes and you can trust
him that these processes are effective in relation

807
01:14:16.479 --> 01:14:21.720
to life. This is the case, of course, because it is the

808
01:14:21.800 --> 01:14:28.079
hope we have left, not because
there can really be things that have failed

809
01:14:28.079 --> 01:14:30.359
in that process as well. We
know very well. As pastors, we

810
01:14:30.439 --> 01:14:34.119
have had to attend to situations where
things really didn' t go well,

811
01:14:34.680 --> 01:14:39.439
but others where things really went wrong
and doctors said it was wrong and we

812
01:14:39.600 --> 01:14:45.000
prayed and that boy, that girl
was born perfect, perfect. Yeah,

813
01:14:45.159 --> 01:14:48.239
it' s really unspeakable. So, all those things we' ve seen

814
01:14:48.359 --> 01:14:50.640
Julio and that' s why I' m telling you in front of that

815
01:14:50.760 --> 01:14:54.000
new challenge, for example, in
my life I' m facing. How

816
01:14:54.439 --> 01:14:59.680
much help is, in that sense
the word of the Lord and trusting that

817
01:14:59.880 --> 01:15:03.199
he is in command of that ship
landing and that they will not shipwreck Julius.

818
01:15:04.479 --> 01:15:06.920
That' s how it is,
my friend. It is true that

819
01:15:08.039 --> 01:15:13.319
pastors, like struggle and a servant
and many more than ten zero pastors and

820
01:15:13.399 --> 01:15:19.239
pastors in Spain, are notaries of
supernatural divine interventions as well and not only

821
01:15:19.319 --> 01:15:24.199
of social mediation, intervention, the
resolution of human conflicts, as well as

822
01:15:24.800 --> 01:15:30.279
spiritual ones that also have to do
with human expressions and pastors and Banclicos are

823
01:15:30.840 --> 01:15:36.039
agents of reconciliation and of people of
good, but we also see divine interventions

824
01:15:36.199 --> 01:15:45.399
on many supernatural occasions that leave us
amazed and this also drives our faith struggle

825
01:15:45.479 --> 01:15:55.560
hard bread. We spent an hour
just talking awesome and listen my legs were

826
01:15:55.640 --> 01:15:59.960
shaking this morning thinking I was gonna
be an hour with you I say Julio.

827
01:16:00.319 --> 01:16:02.319
And we' re going to be
talking, because the main question that

828
01:16:02.720 --> 01:16:06.000
came to me was what I'
m going to talk to Julio about,

829
01:16:06.319 --> 01:16:10.520
what' s interesting to say no, man, and I, of course,

830
01:16:10.520 --> 01:16:13.079
has given a lot. Yes,
hey, I' m sincerely grateful

831
01:16:13.640 --> 01:16:16.680
yes, man, for your invitation
and challenge no. Yeah, yeah,

832
01:16:16.760 --> 01:16:21.960
no, no, of course not
totally. Dear friend, I am sending

833
01:16:23.159 --> 01:16:27.680
you a very affectionate embrace, God. Through next week we will also be

834
01:16:27.800 --> 01:16:33.880
in Madrid. There I am sure
that there is something special with the association

835
01:16:34.000 --> 01:16:40.920
Luis Palao, that are and good
and we have to do some things and

836
01:16:41.000 --> 01:16:45.000
I do not know if we will
see each other crossing paths over there and

837
01:16:45.039 --> 01:16:47.720
at least give us a hug.
Of course it is, if it'

838
01:16:47.720 --> 01:16:51.520
s not possible, you know we' ve got it on, so we

839
01:16:51.520 --> 01:16:55.079
owe each other a few hugs.
Dear Julio, of course thank you for

840
01:16:55.079 --> 01:17:00.319
having invited me, especially delighted for
the whole audience and for the nice privilege

841
01:17:00.399 --> 01:17:05.000
of being able to arrive and really, for it is a blessing for your

842
01:17:05.000 --> 01:17:08.560
lives. So, thank you,
dear Julio, for the opportunity forever,

843
01:17:08.920 --> 01:17:31.239
friend, goodbye fight. Embrace God, Blessed Chao Chao, the train of

844
01:17:31.319 --> 01:18:21.560
life, Vengutino life, I have
guaviva me manescesita maste to testi ohriso mamaclamamasti

845
01:18:26.600 --> 01:19:26.600
o sto temati con tomi oy o
come I have of my soul ves hundred

846
01:19:27.960 --> 01:20:40.279
more are satisfied mima, mama,
csto with two or two o s o

847
01:20:48.520 --> 01:21:43.279
lia mia vicecita más o de mes
mushrooms abatassaransado, my waves to tired,

848
01:21:43.800 --> 01:22:08.800
my o o o or yes.
For safety use the belt. We'

849
01:22:08.840 --> 01:22:12.359
ve replaced this announcement of nine hundred
and seventy- three because not wearing the

850
01:22:12.439 --> 01:22:14.760
seatbelt looks like a thing of the
past. Let' s look at the

851
01:22:14.840 --> 01:22:21.359
effects of a collision at 50 kilometers
per hour cintions, but it' s

852
01:22:21.359 --> 01:22:26.159
not. Today. One in four
dead on the road was not wearing a

853
01:22:26.239 --> 01:22:30.840
seatbelt. Put on a belt General
Traffic Directorate, Ministry of the Interior,

854
01:22:31.319 --> 01:22:35.319
Government of Spain and the project to
study in the United States and teach them

855
01:22:35.439 --> 01:22:40.319
how to play football are really Emilio
and Raúl and one of them has schizophrenia,

856
01:22:40.560 --> 01:22:43.159
but their dreams, like those of
any one, have no limits.

857
01:22:43.520 --> 01:22:46.079
Let' s not put them on
us. Integration is always the best response

858
01:22:46.159 --> 01:22:49.760
for the social inclusion of people with
mental health problems, Ministry of Health,

859
01:22:50.439 --> 01:23:13.560
Social Services and Equality Government of Spain
travels on the train of life. Ladies

860
01:23:13.840 --> 01:23:18.119
and gentlemen, we are already in
direct line with Daniel Bañuls. Daniel Bañuls,

861
01:23:18.159 --> 01:23:25.079
in addition to being a pastor,
has been a pastor for many years

862
01:23:25.279 --> 01:23:30.520
in missionary practice in different countries,
including Equatorial Guinea. Also with his wife

863
01:23:30.560 --> 01:23:38.279
and also pastor and is currently the
Secretary General of the Web and is a

864
01:23:38.439 --> 01:23:45.920
mobilizer of humanitarian emergencies, we already
know him for years to and with a

865
01:23:45.159 --> 01:23:55.000
mobilization at high level, truly reflecting
with container trucks going pa here, if

866
01:23:55.000 --> 01:23:59.920
it was Ukraine, if it was
Turkey, if it is now, then

867
01:24:00.000 --> 01:24:06.119
also in Ivory Coast, wherever there
is a real need. There' s

868
01:24:06.640 --> 01:24:12.720
Daniel Bayules, as a humanitarian emergency
mobilizer, and we have him here now

869
01:24:12.800 --> 01:24:17.760
in direct line with us. Daniel, welcome, man, how are we,

870
01:24:18.159 --> 01:24:23.319
at what point we were at now? Good morning, good morning,

871
01:24:23.439 --> 01:24:28.880
Julio, well, you find yourself
in good health and we are alive,

872
01:24:29.960 --> 01:24:33.279
so we have to be grateful no
yes, gentlemen, I think that to

873
01:24:33.359 --> 01:24:38.000
start the day or week we have
to start with gratitude. Yeah, that

874
01:24:38.159 --> 01:24:44.159
' s right, that' s
right, Daniel. How many years I

875
01:24:44.600 --> 01:24:50.800
remember you in many ways, in
many actions, both missionary on the ground,

876
01:24:53.880 --> 01:25:01.119
also managing questions of the web,
but also as a mobilizer of humanitarian

877
01:25:01.239 --> 01:25:06.600
emergencies, but many before, already
from the dawn of solidarity and here,

878
01:25:06.720 --> 01:25:13.640
of that yearla and so many things. How many years ago, more or

879
01:25:13.720 --> 01:25:17.319
less since we were working with the
boom, more than thirty years ago,

880
01:25:17.560 --> 01:25:21.680
we started it in the year ninety- four, with which now they will

881
01:25:21.840 --> 01:25:28.439
soon turn forty, about this year
and since we are involved in what we

882
01:25:29.399 --> 01:25:34.000
would call international emergencies or humanitarian emergencies. Next year will be ten. Next

883
01:25:34.079 --> 01:25:40.680
year we will be ten years old
in September, because it started with the

884
01:25:40.960 --> 01:25:45.159
tragedy that we will all remember since
the Syrian War, when many Syrians began

885
01:25:45.279 --> 01:25:50.119
to escape along the coast and reaching
Turkey, arrived in Greece and Greece,

886
01:25:50.279 --> 01:25:55.479
wanted to reach Germany. So those
are images we all had on television and

887
01:25:55.520 --> 01:26:00.840
that was September of the year two
thousand fifteen. So that' s where

888
01:26:00.920 --> 01:26:03.239
we started sending the first shipment and
we haven' t stopped since. Yes,

889
01:26:03.359 --> 01:26:08.000
next year, September of next year, it will be a decade.

890
01:26:09.880 --> 01:26:13.960
Yes, yes, I remind you
that even to these countries, I would

891
01:26:14.079 --> 01:26:18.159
go to Ukraine and so many others
that yourself on some of the trips where

892
01:26:18.600 --> 01:26:24.159
they were sent or containers or trucks, trailers also good, one way or

893
01:26:24.319 --> 01:26:30.600
another, by sea or land,
on land, you yourself traveled to many

894
01:26:30.720 --> 01:26:34.039
of these places. You' ve
been presidentially doing and a few trips.

895
01:26:34.680 --> 01:26:42.039
That' s how you experience this
kind of unsettling adventure. Well, visiting

896
01:26:42.119 --> 01:26:45.960
places is part of our usual strategy
everywhere, all the destinations where we have

897
01:26:45.239 --> 01:26:51.680
sent humanitarian aid. Obviously, we
are sending it on behalf of many people,

898
01:26:53.000 --> 01:26:57.159
many donors, and it is part
of the strategy. To be there,

899
01:26:57.279 --> 01:27:01.840
to see it, to be there, to see the shipment arrived well,

900
01:27:02.159 --> 01:27:05.159
is very important to us, seeing
what is happening today in our society.

901
01:27:05.680 --> 01:27:10.359
It is very important to send a
message of transparency and honesty and,

902
01:27:11.399 --> 01:27:13.920
in fact, we do so from
the faith also from the evangelical faith.

903
01:27:14.000 --> 01:27:16.920
We therefore want it to be a
credible testimony as well. So in all

904
01:27:17.000 --> 01:27:24.840
destinations, we' ve all been
physically present to see the circumstances we already

905
01:27:25.119 --> 01:27:29.000
knew from hearsay, but we wanted
to see them and see that the distribution

906
01:27:29.039 --> 01:27:33.279
and distribution had been done correctly in
some places. The visit at almost all

907
01:27:33.319 --> 01:27:40.119
has been an ever painful, traumatic
visit. It is never a pleasant trip

908
01:27:40.119 --> 01:27:45.960
to, for example, now recently
to Turkey and to see a whole city

909
01:27:45.960 --> 01:27:48.159
like Antioch, totally destroyed. That' s not nice to see, but

910
01:27:48.199 --> 01:27:55.520
it' s necessary. Nor is
it nice to go to the war in

911
01:27:56.199 --> 01:27:59.760
Ukraine and go by with the missiles. On top of that it' s

912
01:28:00.039 --> 01:28:04.279
not nice, obviously, and the
component of the adventure has it, but

913
01:28:04.319 --> 01:28:06.199
in some places it' s not
just adventure. He has a certain risk

914
01:28:06.960 --> 01:28:12.000
too, but great gradiums, for
in all places we have been blessed and

915
01:28:12.119 --> 01:28:15.920
protected by God in all. Otherwise
we' d be here and we'

916
01:28:15.920 --> 01:28:18.760
d keep doing it. And the
plan is to always continue to do all

917
01:28:18.840 --> 01:28:24.159
the projects that we ship, in
all the emergencies in which we can attend

918
01:28:24.159 --> 01:28:28.119
and collaborate. To give faith,
to give a constancy, like notaries,

919
01:28:28.840 --> 01:28:30.359
to attest that what has been done
is true and of what you helped me,

920
01:28:30.800 --> 01:28:34.279
what you gave me looks there,
it is there, it got there,

921
01:28:35.159 --> 01:28:38.960
it was distributed and nothing was lost, and that is very important.

922
01:28:39.640 --> 01:28:44.399
We believe that that transparency, we
must maintain it and good in the journeys

923
01:28:44.479 --> 01:28:47.600
that in the tragedies that will arrive, I hope not many, but those

924
01:28:47.600 --> 01:28:50.439
that arrive lately head more. It' s an interesting detail to read in

925
01:28:50.960 --> 01:28:56.279
code, in theological key, there' s more and more and I think

926
01:28:56.359 --> 01:29:00.439
they say a lot of the times
we' re living in, in all

927
01:29:00.439 --> 01:29:01.560
the times we do, they'
re all the ones we participate in,

928
01:29:01.560 --> 01:29:04.359
we' ll be present. Well, I believe that in the name of

929
01:29:04.680 --> 01:29:10.920
many and not just the evangelical community
and the human community, because people like

930
01:29:11.039 --> 01:29:16.039
you Daniel and thank you, thank
you for being sensitive to these great human

931
01:29:16.119 --> 01:29:25.640
needs and tragedies that ravage human lives
and leave people in total destitution, in

932
01:29:25.720 --> 01:29:35.600
destruction, in misery and in despair. And when they get this little help,

933
01:29:36.079 --> 01:29:41.680
which is small, but which is
a sum with those who also do

934
01:29:41.680 --> 01:29:48.960
it, it is a breath of
hope and, in addition to practical help,

935
01:29:50.079 --> 01:29:53.720
theoretical demonstrative help. So, thanks
to me, I think on behalf

936
01:29:53.800 --> 01:29:58.640
of many for this work of so
many years, I really appreciate it and

937
01:29:58.680 --> 01:30:04.319
I think I speak it on behalf
of many, Daniel, the work is

938
01:30:04.439 --> 01:30:09.720
a very, very cooperative job.
It is a joy to tell it this

939
01:30:09.800 --> 01:30:14.199
way, because it is the work
of many, of many volunteers, of

940
01:30:14.279 --> 01:30:19.479
hundreds of donors, that the figure
I cannot tell and that behind it there

941
01:30:19.600 --> 01:30:27.039
are always many names, many faces
that, in many cases, impact us

942
01:30:27.039 --> 01:30:30.560
especially by their generosity, by their
involvement, by the desire to serve,

943
01:30:30.439 --> 01:30:32.439
by people who have never been in
the place where they will arrive. The

944
01:30:32.520 --> 01:30:38.359
container has not been and does not
pretend to be, but it does want

945
01:30:38.760 --> 01:30:43.399
to help then that disinterested help,
unknown but at the same time very much

946
01:30:43.399 --> 01:30:46.359
involved. To us. In each
container, in each shipment, we always

947
01:30:46.600 --> 01:30:50.920
have very shocking flavors of having met
people with whom we are going to sleep

948
01:30:51.000 --> 01:30:56.439
in memory. They are people left
in our memories and they are people who

949
01:30:56.520 --> 01:31:00.600
sometimes usually do what they do is
repeat and usually, when they have made

950
01:31:00.600 --> 01:31:04.560
an experience, they have been happy
and pay a little to this crazy club

951
01:31:04.680 --> 01:31:08.920
in which we are involved. So, thank God, I said, thank

952
01:31:08.920 --> 01:31:11.960
God, first for him, for
God because he opens the doors to us,

953
01:31:12.399 --> 01:31:15.720
they don' t know the possibilities
and back percent and hundreds of volunteer

954
01:31:15.720 --> 01:31:21.760
churches, not ngs, schools,
municipalities, entities that decide to join.

955
01:31:21.960 --> 01:31:27.920
That something that in every container we
make new friends, obviously, and friends

956
01:31:27.960 --> 01:31:31.840
I would say like the song that
no friends forever not that unites us the

957
01:31:31.920 --> 01:31:34.239
desire to help others. And it' s a very great blessing. I

958
01:31:34.319 --> 01:31:39.319
am the first beneficiary, without any
doubt, and my team of volunteers too,

959
01:31:39.680 --> 01:31:43.199
of course, listen now we have
the issue, the challenge of urgent

960
01:31:43.279 --> 01:31:49.800
humanitarian aid to Côte d' Ivoire. Talk to us, how we can

961
01:31:49.920 --> 01:31:56.000
describe the situation and how we can
collaborate with each other, because Côte d

962
01:31:56.079 --> 01:32:00.880
' Ivoire is a project in which
theoretically we were already involved a long time

963
01:32:00.920 --> 01:32:05.199
ago, about ten eight or ten
years ago, that we are sending very

964
01:32:05.319 --> 01:32:10.319
small activities and projects, projects that
we call micro projects and that we are

965
01:32:10.319 --> 01:32:12.239
very happy because they are working very
well. They' re unambitious, but

966
01:32:12.239 --> 01:32:14.960
they' re working very well.
We have built a well of water,

967
01:32:15.800 --> 01:32:19.479
we have helped a vocational school of
war children, of children who were formerly

968
01:32:19.520 --> 01:32:28.399
child soldiers. We have made scholarships
for nurses, we have made many small

969
01:32:28.479 --> 01:32:31.239
things that are working and Costa de
Marcísima has been an easy country, a

970
01:32:31.319 --> 01:32:39.880
country in which everything we have done
somehow worked and worked well. Notable ease

971
01:32:39.880 --> 01:32:44.079
is very good. The last project, which is the one we embarked on

972
01:32:44.199 --> 01:32:47.359
about a quarter ago, two months
ago, has been to know that we

973
01:32:47.600 --> 01:32:51.399
have there in a project that we
have already collaborated in an orphanage that is

974
01:32:51.479 --> 01:32:57.359
called the poponier is an orphanage managed
by the evangelical churches of Ivory Coast,

975
01:32:57.720 --> 01:33:01.199
which told us that they have many
children, more and more orphaned children,

976
01:33:01.680 --> 01:33:04.640
who have lost their mother, father
or both, and who told us that

977
01:33:04.760 --> 01:33:11.119
recently they were receiving many children,
that we would call them children of cariz,

978
01:33:12.399 --> 01:33:15.359
of newborn children, like all the
children, but in small format,

979
01:33:15.760 --> 01:33:20.800
in premature format, are not the
children who would normally be saved by going

980
01:33:20.960 --> 01:33:28.159
to the hospital seven mesinos we called
them before and that they had been born

981
01:33:28.239 --> 01:33:32.880
because perhaps with a kilo, with
two little ones, but that with a

982
01:33:33.000 --> 01:33:35.880
medical care they were normally saved.
And they were telling us that there they

983
01:33:35.960 --> 01:33:42.079
were receiving many premature children of this, but that some of them were dying

984
01:33:42.680 --> 01:33:46.319
for lack of medical management, for
lack of something as simple as an incubator.

985
01:33:47.399 --> 01:33:51.439
So we react. We said well, we will try to get at

986
01:33:51.520 --> 01:33:57.800
least one incubator so that it can
be useful and we realized that the project

987
01:33:57.880 --> 01:34:01.880
was very daring by incubators. They' re hard to get. Hospitals here,

988
01:34:02.439 --> 01:34:06.680
in Barcelona, in Catalonia, in
Spain maintain a minimum ratio of incubators,

989
01:34:09.159 --> 01:34:12.880
because there are very few cases of
premature children in our country. It

990
01:34:13.000 --> 01:34:16.199
is logical in childbirths are very controlled, pregnant women are very controlled and there

991
01:34:16.239 --> 01:34:21.119
are very few women who had premature
children and the few who are born this

992
01:34:21.239 --> 01:34:27.960
way hospitals keep their incubator or two
or three that they have for such cases.

993
01:34:28.079 --> 01:34:31.800
So we realized with sadness that it
would be difficult to keep our word.

994
01:34:32.359 --> 01:34:36.000
So we decided that, in addition
to sending an incubator, if it

995
01:34:36.119 --> 01:34:40.920
arrived and we could take advantage to
send a container, so we asked them

996
01:34:41.000 --> 01:34:43.239
what needs they had and clear the
list was very large. They didn'

997
01:34:43.520 --> 01:34:48.600
t just need an incubator, they
gave food, they gave babies clothes,

998
01:34:49.319 --> 01:34:53.399
they gave medical supplies, all kinds
of things that the list, you'

999
01:34:53.439 --> 01:34:56.119
re pretty much seeing there now on
the screen. The list got long.

1000
01:34:57.199 --> 01:35:01.119
So, we published the list,
published the needs and always prioritized that we

1001
01:35:01.199 --> 01:35:05.960
were looking for incubators. But at
the same time, if we didn'

1002
01:35:06.039 --> 01:35:11.399
t get equatories, we were going
to take them a container of everything they

1003
01:35:11.399 --> 01:35:13.279
asked for along the way. We
have come to realize these months of April

1004
01:35:13.800 --> 01:35:17.560
May that the issue of the incubator
was too difficult and we started with our

1005
01:35:17.640 --> 01:35:23.720
own volunteers, to make a bold
decision, the innovative decision, which is,

1006
01:35:23.920 --> 01:35:27.840
if we don' t get to
have really play- offs, let

1007
01:35:27.920 --> 01:35:30.079
' s say from hospital, we' re going to build ours. So

1008
01:35:30.119 --> 01:35:38.039
we decided to build a well-
designed project, a smart home incubator project

1009
01:35:38.119 --> 01:35:41.960
that we already have in place,
that already exist and that we have already

1010
01:35:42.039 --> 01:35:45.520
created, a prototype that works,
works perfectly. And what we are going

1011
01:35:45.520 --> 01:35:50.920
to do is send that prototype with
the materials to build many more, letting

1012
01:35:51.000 --> 01:35:56.199
them build them right there, that
is, that they have a knowledge transfer,

1013
01:35:56.399 --> 01:36:00.680
with transfer of materials, but at
the same time that they do it

1014
01:36:00.720 --> 01:36:03.600
alone so that in the future,
when there is need for more and more

1015
01:36:03.720 --> 01:36:09.439
incubators in other places, they will
be able to build them. So,

1016
01:36:09.520 --> 01:36:13.520
while we were creating the prototype,
it began to arrive, as usual,

1017
01:36:14.239 --> 01:36:17.319
donations of all kinds, from friends, from families, from churches, from

1018
01:36:17.319 --> 01:36:23.079
NGOs, from all kinds of people
and cargo, the warehouse has been filling

1019
01:36:23.199 --> 01:36:28.960
up and we have a container that
is straight to fill up. And the

1020
01:36:29.079 --> 01:36:32.479
good news, the good news we
already thought we could not give, is

1021
01:36:32.560 --> 01:36:40.239
that we have finally received three real
incubators from hospital that have arrived from a

1022
01:36:40.319 --> 01:36:44.279
hospital in Girona and from the SEU
hospital in the north of the Pyrenees.

1023
01:36:44.920 --> 01:36:48.680
So we' ll have three incubators, actually plus about, three or four

1024
01:36:49.279 --> 01:36:55.880
machines for similar to an incubator to
have what they call a thermal crib,

1025
01:36:56.359 --> 01:37:00.239
a thermal deparing machine that provides heat
to the baby. So we were surprised

1026
01:37:00.279 --> 01:37:04.159
that we thought we wouldn' t
have it. Perhaps we lacked fet and

1027
01:37:04.840 --> 01:37:09.640
now we have all the qualifiers we
wanted, the qualifiers we created ourselves just

1028
01:37:09.720 --> 01:37:15.479
in case and many material donations are
coming on the list we have published to

1029
01:37:15.439 --> 01:37:18.920
you. So, thank God,
the container, if it is not full,

1030
01:37:19.199 --> 01:37:24.680
we are in three rooms, it
will soon and well, thank God,

1031
01:37:24.920 --> 01:37:29.279
all the needs that our brothers and
the shepherds there of Ivory Coast asked

1032
01:37:29.359 --> 01:37:34.279
us, because they are being answered
and they are being fulfilled. I already

1033
01:37:34.319 --> 01:37:39.000
say the container, very probably we
will be filling it up and, if

1034
01:37:39.079 --> 01:37:42.720
God wants to send it right after
the Archist of San Juan, so at

1035
01:37:42.800 --> 01:37:45.640
the end of this month, about
the twenty- eighth day, it would

1036
01:37:46.119 --> 01:37:53.119
be our wish to be able to
bill it, fill it and send it

1037
01:37:53.920 --> 01:37:55.239
all to the port and from the
port to Ivory Coast. So this is

1038
01:37:55.319 --> 01:37:59.640
the dream and plan that we'
re getting involved in these last few weeks.

1039
01:38:00.319 --> 01:38:06.000
How beautiful, how important and how
timely this action in favour of Côte

1040
01:38:06.159 --> 01:38:12.359
d' Ivoire and that great need
that exists that you are trying to attend

1041
01:38:12.359 --> 01:38:16.960
to. But freight is worth a
high cost of shipping the containers and we

1042
01:38:17.520 --> 01:38:21.840
can collaborate. I see there'
s an account here. We have a

1043
01:38:23.000 --> 01:38:30.520
KAIXA account. The Ivan is that
twenty- eight two thousand hundred which is

1044
01:38:30.600 --> 01:38:34.319
the number of the KAIXA. Zero
eight hundred twenty- eight, sixty-

1045
01:38:34.800 --> 01:38:39.920
one, two, zero, seventy- four and fifteen thirteen. Let'

1046
01:38:40.000 --> 01:38:44.680
s put all this in detail in
the post we' ve passed on to

1047
01:38:44.680 --> 01:38:49.960
you before. There' s the
account number also included in this one I

1048
01:38:50.000 --> 01:38:57.880
got from you, Daniel. I
think so. Yes, exactly. Let

1049
01:38:57.920 --> 01:39:01.199
' s have it there on our
wave walls for Radio, my personal wall,

1050
01:39:02.800 --> 01:39:09.479
also so that all the listening friends
who are tuning us in anywhere in

1051
01:39:09.560 --> 01:39:17.199
Spain in solidarity we collaborate with this
urgent relief action, with this emergency and

1052
01:39:17.319 --> 01:39:21.239
also with everything that is being prepared, because there is one behind another here.

1053
01:39:21.600 --> 01:39:27.039
This is unstoppable. I look into
this month and the previous month.

1054
01:39:27.119 --> 01:39:32.199
In the previous one I have received
several initiatives actions from Daniel who, of

1055
01:39:32.359 --> 01:39:39.359
course, I call him the unstoppable. And of course it is that when

1056
01:39:39.560 --> 01:39:43.960
someone is in the pit and is
seeing what there is to see and mobilizing

1057
01:39:44.079 --> 01:39:47.800
to him, but it mobilizes us
that with economic contributions, apart with material

1058
01:39:47.920 --> 01:39:54.560
help, if we have the goods
that he suggests to us or is asking

1059
01:39:54.600 --> 01:39:58.680
us. Well, there' s
a lot of solidarity there. I am

1060
01:39:58.760 --> 01:40:02.399
amazed to see how people who are
in solidarity in this country. This is

1061
01:40:02.439 --> 01:40:06.600
a gift we have as a true
country, Daniel. There is no doubt

1062
01:40:06.920 --> 01:40:10.000
about this, there is no doubt
about it. I believe that, of

1063
01:40:10.000 --> 01:40:14.920
course, we have many shortcomings and
still have difficulty confronting them. But one

1064
01:40:15.079 --> 01:40:19.680
virtue that I believe has, our
society is generosity, solidarity, when we

1065
01:40:19.760 --> 01:40:25.520
know of something that is happening to
someone, as we know that we are

1066
01:40:25.600 --> 01:40:30.159
better, we know that we are
inevitably, even if we go through difficulties,

1067
01:40:30.359 --> 01:40:33.520
we continue to see the first world, we continue to live in Europe,

1068
01:40:33.520 --> 01:40:35.000
we know that other places have worse. And when someone tells us and

1069
01:40:35.159 --> 01:40:40.840
is credible, because the truth is, yes, people react. And you

1070
01:40:40.920 --> 01:40:45.680
' d be surprised to see the
sometimes unusual answers we sometimes get. There

1071
01:40:45.760 --> 01:40:50.880
are people who give a lot more
than you would pretend to believe, you

1072
01:40:51.000 --> 01:40:55.159
think maybe. A widowed lady gives
you an example of what I have in

1073
01:40:55.159 --> 01:40:59.760
mind, a widow who spends justly
with the pension you can imagine, that

1074
01:40:59.760 --> 01:41:02.119
is, the very scarce pension,
but when I tell her everything I tell

1075
01:41:02.119 --> 01:41:05.039
her and she always tells me,
please, don' t hide anything from

1076
01:41:05.039 --> 01:41:11.159
me. When I tell her,
she reacts to this woman in a way

1077
01:41:11.199 --> 01:41:15.159
that I think is better, like
the widow of the Bible, it is

1078
01:41:15.199 --> 01:41:16.680
like the case of the widow of
life, that is, giving her little,

1079
01:41:16.920 --> 01:41:20.000
that gives much more than she should. And the truth is that these

1080
01:41:20.079 --> 01:41:23.840
cases are the ones that stimulate me, they are the ones that fill me

1081
01:41:24.319 --> 01:41:28.399
with joy, of seeing that people
want to help, that people want to

1082
01:41:28.439 --> 01:41:30.560
participate in projects of that kind and
what they need is to tell them,

1083
01:41:30.960 --> 01:41:33.079
they need to know, they need
to know and, really, it is

1084
01:41:33.079 --> 01:41:39.119
credible. Evidently, not frustrating,
not disappointing. And usually people, as

1085
01:41:39.199 --> 01:41:42.079
I used to tell you before,
because some are already subscribers. Then they

1086
01:41:43.600 --> 01:41:49.199
are already perpetual collaborators, then they
are aimed at a bombing then every action

1087
01:41:49.199 --> 01:41:54.399
we have, obviously, all are
necessary. We don' t do any

1088
01:41:54.399 --> 01:41:58.159
for frivolity. All we do are
necessary. And it is, of course,

1089
01:41:58.319 --> 01:42:01.720
also for an orphanage with children who
have a hard time and who die

1090
01:42:01.840 --> 01:42:05.079
because of something as simple as the
incubator, because we thought we had to

1091
01:42:05.079 --> 01:42:09.399
solve it. Then we ship the
container. Now, in June and after

1092
01:42:09.439 --> 01:42:14.760
the summer, we will go there
in September to visit him, to see

1093
01:42:14.840 --> 01:42:18.800
how everything has gone and to see
that sure everything has gone well, to

1094
01:42:19.159 --> 01:42:23.680
see the delivery that has been made
and as the container is probably bigger than

1095
01:42:23.720 --> 01:42:27.720
what they need, we will make
a double delivery. We' re going

1096
01:42:27.920 --> 01:42:31.119
to do first for the evangelical orphanage
that we' re sending help and everything

1097
01:42:31.119 --> 01:42:33.000
we' re going to spare that
I' m sure it' s going

1098
01:42:33.000 --> 01:42:34.920
to be left over? We are
going to donate to the hospitals of the

1099
01:42:35.279 --> 01:42:41.199
region, hospitals that are not linked
to us, but that are necessary hospitals,

1100
01:42:41.600 --> 01:42:44.960
that do a great job and we
are going to give them everything that

1101
01:42:45.159 --> 01:42:47.439
comes to us, that an orphanage
cannot absorb, so everything that comes to

1102
01:42:48.079 --> 01:42:51.119
us is going to go to the
hospitals of the area of the region or

1103
01:42:51.159 --> 01:42:56.600
of the province of Man. This
is called the Mn Man province, which

1104
01:42:56.680 --> 01:43:02.119
is where the orphanage is. In
principle. We have some photographs that I

1105
01:43:02.239 --> 01:43:10.399
will also upload to the pages that
are very descriptive about the pallets of the

1106
01:43:10.560 --> 01:43:15.880
whole provision, also of both milks
and a series of topics also of first

1107
01:43:16.199 --> 01:43:25.239
necessity. And also here are the
apparatuses, which are the ones that you

1108
01:43:25.319 --> 01:43:31.920
have spoken to us the incubators,
how interesting to see them And it goes

1109
01:43:31.920 --> 01:43:36.880
so that our listeners, those who
want to access the page of wave for

1110
01:43:36.960 --> 01:43:41.760
radio and there my wall, will
see the photographs the orphanage of Ivory Coast,

1111
01:43:43.079 --> 01:43:48.359
where they are sent in the containers
the Poiner pom with its director,

1112
01:43:49.439 --> 01:43:55.640
Juliet and Art. The French word
hard to translate because little even in French

1113
01:43:55.720 --> 01:44:00.000
is doll. So I don'
t know in Spain we couldn' t

1114
01:44:00.000 --> 01:44:03.680
translate it. It' s like
the doll shop, the doll shop,

1115
01:44:04.159 --> 01:44:08.079
or the dollhouse. It' s
good, the little doll house. They

1116
01:44:08.199 --> 01:44:12.039
' re kids, babies, all
from zero to two years old, and

1117
01:44:12.119 --> 01:44:14.680
that' s the name the orphanage
is questioning. The poponie. It'

1118
01:44:14.720 --> 01:44:19.439
s kind of like the doll house
house. That' s right, and

1119
01:44:19.439 --> 01:44:23.319
here we have them. Yeah,
let' s see the photographs of the

1120
01:44:23.359 --> 01:44:26.520
orphanage itself as well. We'
re going to upload them so that our

1121
01:44:26.520 --> 01:44:29.520
listeners who want to access see it. But, ladies and gentlemen, let

1122
01:44:29.680 --> 01:44:34.359
' s all collaborate there, the
Facebook Light skirt is also showing up the

1123
01:44:34.439 --> 01:44:41.199
data from the Kaisha account so that
they can agree to make their contributions,

1124
01:44:42.000 --> 01:44:45.000
already to make the freight. That
freight is very expensive, very expensive,

1125
01:44:45.479 --> 01:44:49.880
but good are part of the plan. And there we have to send and

1126
01:44:50.000 --> 01:44:55.840
in all the peripheral expenses, which
are many, and in other previous projects

1127
01:44:56.159 --> 01:44:59.720
and others that are in the making. Therefore, everything you always know is

1128
01:44:59.760 --> 01:45:09.000
well invested by Daniel. The truth
is that this is your home when you

1129
01:45:09.479 --> 01:45:16.600
want your speaker, which is also
ours in solidarity to collaborate and help those

1130
01:45:16.720 --> 01:45:23.880
who need it most. Thank you
very much for your support and from here

1131
01:45:24.000 --> 01:45:27.039
also my greeting to your audience.
I' m sure there are people among

1132
01:45:27.079 --> 01:45:30.920
what they hear that they can react
and they can get involved and I'

1133
01:45:30.920 --> 01:45:31.680
m sure there are people in solidarity. There' s no doubt about it.

1134
01:45:31.800 --> 01:45:34.800
You' ll have a lot of
supportive listeners. So, then,

1135
01:45:35.359 --> 01:45:40.039
as Julio says, everyone here has
the account to support, to add up.

1136
01:45:40.880 --> 01:45:45.199
If someone wants to bring materials,
we can still receive food that we

1137
01:45:45.720 --> 01:45:49.760
are also prioritizing the delivery of basic
food, basic food that is not going

1138
01:45:49.840 --> 01:45:54.399
to expire and that well, if
someone still wants to join and attract food,

1139
01:45:54.640 --> 01:45:59.880
because also, of course, they
still fit, we can still put

1140
01:46:00.159 --> 01:46:01.600
more stuff into that wonderful content dear
Daniel Te I send a big hug friend.

1141
01:46:02.680 --> 01:46:20.720
Thank you very much, I embrace
everyone. Until always there is a

1142
01:46:20.880 --> 01:46:34.960
man who, when speaking kingdoms,
tremble is his principal name, is the

1143
01:46:35.279 --> 01:46:50.119
powerful name, the name astonishments,
Jesus. And only by uttering I'

1144
01:46:51.600 --> 01:47:02.600
m sorry for his presence and my
heart doesn' t prostrate a thousand songs.

1145
01:47:02.920 --> 01:47:42.840
I will sing with my voice,
I will raise up Jesus mag so

1146
01:47:45.800 --> 01:48:14.600
if so so and glory itself,
that when you observe His greatness, I

1147
01:48:14.760 --> 01:48:26.760
tremble and worship Him. It belongs
to them. My desire is only at

1148
01:48:28.159 --> 01:48:45.159
your feet to worship me. Jesus
and his hand is to sustain the universe

1149
01:48:45.439 --> 01:48:57.159
and his immense command was to contain
what is difficult to explain all that urgency

1150
01:48:57.279 --> 01:49:40.560
of that age. Jeson ms po
or yes it is case so and Gloria,

1151
01:49:46.159 --> 01:50:40.720
so lord or so and so yes, I, Jess so and Gloria

1152
01:50:41.880 --> 01:51:13.600
am my severe is or those on
the train of life, life hello,

1153
01:51:13.680 --> 01:51:20.720
friends, I am Julio Perez.
You know I' m the director of

1154
01:51:21.560 --> 01:51:27.359
the radio show, the weekly Magaxing, the train of life. And it

1155
01:51:28.119 --> 01:51:32.039
does nothing less than thirty- two
years that we travel through many human landscapes

1156
01:51:32.159 --> 01:51:39.680
and many curiosities and things of life, earthly life and heavenly life. I

1157
01:51:41.119 --> 01:51:45.119
also have the joy of telling you
that I have published my book, a

1158
01:51:45.239 --> 01:51:51.800
book that has to do with the
train of life. There are fifty selected

1159
01:51:53.439 --> 01:51:59.800
articles written by me. There are
six seasons and in each season there is

1160
01:51:59.880 --> 01:52:06.000
a section of eight reflections, temporary
reflections for an eternal destiny These are the

1161
01:52:06.119 --> 01:52:13.680
things I tell in this book.
They are perfections, analysis, experiences,

1162
01:52:16.479 --> 01:52:21.680
comments that other curiosity also in those
fifty reflections, in those six stations,

1163
01:52:21.760 --> 01:52:26.520
until we reach the term station that
there is also a section, a very

1164
01:52:26.680 --> 01:52:32.000
important block. This book can already
be found on Amazon on the editorial platform

1165
01:52:32.039 --> 01:52:36.479
of Amazón. Traveling on the train
of life is called the book. It

1166
01:52:36.560 --> 01:52:43.119
' s the title of the book
Traveling on the Train of Life. Julio

1167
01:52:43.159 --> 01:52:48.399
Pérez, a server is the author. Then there you can well know that

1168
01:52:48.479 --> 01:52:54.760
the train tells us about journeys through
life. Life is a kind of living

1169
01:52:54.840 --> 01:53:00.520
parable, like a running train,
that there are so many sensations and so

1170
01:53:00.640 --> 01:53:04.000
many experiences within the train. And
what we are looking at inside and what

1171
01:53:04.039 --> 01:53:10.880
we see from the train out,
because there I propose that you be able

1172
01:53:10.920 --> 01:53:13.199
to access this book, look at
this book. I' ve done it

1173
01:53:13.239 --> 01:53:15.359
with a lot of love. I
think there are things that are very dear,

1174
01:53:15.279 --> 01:53:20.319
very very intimate, and others not
so intimate, are very open,

1175
01:53:21.159 --> 01:53:25.359
but it is a book that I
have done from the heart and with the

1176
01:53:26.479 --> 01:53:30.720
heart traveling on the train of life. It is the title of a Julio

1177
01:53:30.800 --> 01:53:36.640
Pérez server on Amazon' s editorial
platform. You can find him. The

1178
01:53:36.760 --> 01:53:43.399
book has a cost of fifteen euros
in about 180 pages, and everything collected

1179
01:53:43.520 --> 01:53:49.159
from that book is invested, reinvested
in the radio project of Onda Paz or

1180
01:53:49.239 --> 01:53:54.920
NAPU and in the train of life. Of course it is part of the

1181
01:53:55.880 --> 01:54:00.760
project so that this is put on
and kept going as long as it never

1182
01:54:00.880 --> 01:54:04.680
stops So, I remind you and
I thank you in advance for buying my

1183
01:54:04.800 --> 01:54:10.159
book on the Amazon platform, traveling
on the train of the life of a

1184
01:54:11.279 --> 01:54:27.760
Julio Pérez server. Thank you always
so but everyone travels on the train of

1185
01:54:27.800 --> 01:54:45.439
life, well, dear ones,
friends and friends, today we speak with

1186
01:54:45.600 --> 01:54:49.560
a loud voice and, clearly as
our friend don yao usually speaks tomorrows also

1187
01:54:49.640 --> 01:54:54.000
in his lawyer, a man of
letters, a man who knows what he

1188
01:54:54.039 --> 01:54:59.239
speaks about today more than the social
and political chronicle that we usually address.

1189
01:54:59.720 --> 01:55:04.279
And that' s the rabid stuff
today. Today we want to talk about

1190
01:55:04.279 --> 01:55:09.479
conversion, Christian conversion, not conversion
from the euro, to the dollar,

1191
01:55:09.720 --> 01:55:15.479
or conversion from the dollar to the
euro, but Christian conversion. Well,

1192
01:55:15.600 --> 01:55:19.079
let' s board a little.
This issue is true. This experience is

1193
01:55:19.159 --> 01:55:27.039
a mirage, a chimera, a
transformational reality in the life of a human

1194
01:55:27.079 --> 01:55:30.359
being. Well, let' s
see if we can get him to explain.

1195
01:55:30.800 --> 01:55:39.520
This has been discussed by theologians,
writers and, of course, humanists

1196
01:55:39.640 --> 01:55:43.960
in many forums. Well, let' s see if today we can draw

1197
01:55:44.439 --> 01:55:49.640
some conclusions to know if we experience, if it is true that there is

1198
01:55:49.800 --> 01:55:56.039
an authentic conversion and if we are
in that wave, if even many we

1199
01:55:56.159 --> 01:55:58.319
want to have had an experience of
Christian conversion, it is not such.

1200
01:55:59.000 --> 01:56:04.279
It is not experienced by a purely
fleeting light, but there are no roots

1201
01:56:04.359 --> 01:56:09.760
in the soul that confirm this experience
that goes with it. Well, then,

1202
01:56:09.840 --> 01:56:13.800
let' s talk to don ya
or mayanas. Very good morning,

1203
01:56:13.880 --> 01:56:16.479
dear, Yauma, very good morning, Julys, very good morning also to

1204
01:56:16.560 --> 01:56:20.720
all listeners. Thank you, man, you' ve already missed conversion.

1205
01:56:20.840 --> 01:56:24.199
I know it' s a subject
you' re passionate about. Christian conversion

1206
01:56:24.279 --> 01:56:33.039
is a psychological manipulation, as some
suggest, either in religious key or is

1207
01:56:33.119 --> 01:56:39.760
a supernatural experience. At best,
I' d say it' s something

1208
01:56:40.079 --> 01:56:44.159
that' s very interesting, because
many issues have to do with your desire

1209
01:56:44.359 --> 01:56:49.079
for change. Many people, at
the beginning of each year you know or

1210
01:56:49.239 --> 01:56:55.159
at the end of thirty- one
December, make New Year' s purposes,

1211
01:56:55.840 --> 01:56:59.399
in purposes that do not usually go
beyond two or three, but rarely

1212
01:56:59.439 --> 01:57:03.119
come to the hour day because they
are based on the desire of the human

1213
01:57:03.119 --> 01:57:05.920
being to change, the desire of
the human being, to see that there

1214
01:57:06.000 --> 01:57:09.279
are things that do not work in
his life and to say good, for

1215
01:57:09.279 --> 01:57:11.800
something must be done. And this
year that well, we will sign up

1216
01:57:11.960 --> 01:57:16.520
to the gym and start the regime
and we will do this and do the

1217
01:57:16.640 --> 01:57:21.119
other thing, but they have so
little journey because they are based on the

1218
01:57:21.319 --> 01:57:23.439
desire of the human being, on
the experience of the human being. Instead,

1219
01:57:23.760 --> 01:57:27.840
conversion is a completely different process.
Conversation is a process that begins in

1220
01:57:28.279 --> 01:57:32.279
God, in God that gives a
problem in the human being and that God

1221
01:57:32.560 --> 01:57:38.680
calls you to turn to him.
That' s what the word conversion means.

1222
01:57:38.840 --> 01:57:42.880
Conversion means that you were going in
one direction in all of you,

1223
01:57:43.159 --> 01:57:45.720
in all your life, in all
your life, and it was in one

1224
01:57:45.840 --> 01:57:49.880
sense, and you' re saying
that meaning is not taking me anywhere.

1225
01:57:50.399 --> 01:57:54.279
Well, it' s really taking
me to a place where things are getting

1226
01:57:54.399 --> 01:57:58.279
worse, there' s less and
less meaning in my life, every time

1227
01:57:58.920 --> 01:58:02.399
I realize that I' m ruining
what I have around me, not even

1228
01:58:03.039 --> 01:58:06.279
when things go very well with me, because conversion is not for when you

1229
01:58:06.399 --> 01:58:12.840
' ve completely destroyed your life,
but for when you' re slowly destroying

1230
01:58:12.840 --> 01:58:16.279
it, for when you' re
hurting people around you, when you'

1231
01:58:16.359 --> 01:58:21.680
re only able to thrive at the
cost of sinking others. So it doesn

1232
01:58:21.800 --> 01:58:25.359
' t depend on how good things
are or not, but when you realize

1233
01:58:25.399 --> 01:58:29.920
you' re not going anywhere.
Then it begins in God and ends in

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01:58:29.920 --> 01:58:33.000
God, because it is not about
you, but about him. And that

1235
01:58:33.039 --> 01:58:36.560
' s what makes it not just
an inner experience or an imagination of your

1236
01:58:36.680 --> 01:58:43.479
mind a matter of your subconscious to
feel better, but it has to do

1237
01:58:43.560 --> 01:58:49.039
with God and not just man.
But one would wonder well we talk about

1238
01:58:49.159 --> 01:58:55.880
conversion And well that word maybe a
little more popular because of the conversion of

1239
01:58:56.000 --> 01:59:00.640
the euro to conversion from peseta to
euro, from dollar to e, from

1240
01:59:00.039 --> 01:59:04.800
euro to dollar. But and more
or less we see that it is a

1241
01:59:05.000 --> 01:59:10.039
transmutation, a change. But from
what we have to become human beings,

1242
01:59:10.479 --> 01:59:14.439
because apparently there are people who have
many problems in life and grave have gotten

1243
01:59:14.479 --> 01:59:17.800
into the black wells of life,
but there are countless other people who live

1244
01:59:17.840 --> 01:59:26.039
in a flat life, a more
or less bearable life. And become from

1245
01:59:26.119 --> 01:59:29.640
what And to what that is the
thing, that is, conversion is not

1246
01:59:29.720 --> 01:59:31.880
only for a person who has gotten
into a drug problem, to a person

1247
01:59:31.880 --> 01:59:36.439
who has had a very negative experience
because he has destroyed his marriage, but

1248
01:59:36.560 --> 01:59:43.079
there is a basic problem of human
beings. In fact, the entire Bible

1249
01:59:43.479 --> 01:59:46.159
speaks about this problem. It'
s the problem of evil. All of

1250
01:59:46.159 --> 01:59:50.560
us, somehow, have been affected
by him. Just to see it many

1251
01:59:51.000 --> 01:59:54.880
times I say that what you have
to do is not go to a Nazi

1252
01:59:55.079 --> 01:59:58.800
concentration camp, but what you have
to do is go to the most charming

1253
01:59:58.920 --> 02:00:02.439
place in our society, be a
school and see how those little ones we

1254
02:00:02.479 --> 02:00:05.800
say they have no evil in them. That' s for sure. We

1255
02:00:05.880 --> 02:00:09.600
say that, of course, because
we have not been in the schoolyard is

1256
02:00:10.159 --> 02:00:15.920
a tremendously cruel place and our children
quickly learn what it is to live in

1257
02:00:16.399 --> 02:00:23.720
society and how to have to manage
to survive with their fellowmen. Those precious

1258
02:00:23.880 --> 02:00:28.199
children whom we see sleeping at night, They too have been completely affected by

1259
02:00:28.560 --> 02:00:34.880
evil. Evil affects us completely.
That is something that is a reality that

1260
02:00:34.960 --> 02:00:40.239
the Bible speaks from the beginning and
the Bible uses a word for them,

1261
02:00:40.359 --> 02:00:44.840
the word sin. Of course,
we, to the word sin, tend

1262
02:00:44.960 --> 02:00:50.439
to assimilate great criminals. We all
agree to say that those who did the

1263
02:00:50.479 --> 02:00:56.439
attacks in Paris the other day or
that people are the Islamic State that cuts

1264
02:00:56.840 --> 02:01:00.520
heads. Those are sinners But that
is not what the Bible teaches. The

1265
02:01:00.640 --> 02:01:04.720
Bible teaches that the problem of evil
is in the heart of every human being,

1266
02:01:04.760 --> 02:01:09.920
the heart of children, the heart
of the best of our best intentions.

1267
02:01:11.600 --> 02:01:15.479
And we have to distinguish one thing, because sometimes we think of sins

1268
02:01:15.640 --> 02:01:21.960
and not sin. Sins are the
consequence of sin. Sin is that our

1269
02:01:23.239 --> 02:01:28.920
whole being has been left to evil
and the consequence of that effect of evil

1270
02:01:29.039 --> 02:01:33.720
is that each of us sins,
we commit concrete sins as a consequence of

1271
02:01:33.760 --> 02:01:40.239
them. But sin is not only
actions, but it is a state in

1272
02:01:40.319 --> 02:01:45.359
which we are born and from which
we cannot free ourselves. Sin affects all

1273
02:01:45.399 --> 02:01:50.279
sin. It makes my relationship with
God cut off, and that' s

1274
02:01:50.279 --> 02:01:55.079
serious, because if he' s
the author of life and I' m

1275
02:01:55.199 --> 02:01:58.600
not connected to him. I mean, I have a connection only with death

1276
02:01:58.680 --> 02:02:01.600
and not with life, but it
affects me as a human being. Each

1277
02:02:01.760 --> 02:02:08.840
of us are somehow broken beings.
We are beings in which we are not

1278
02:02:08.960 --> 02:02:12.920
God' s purpose. We are
not those beings who bless others if we

1279
02:02:13.000 --> 02:02:18.119
do not have inner problems, contradictions. We are deeply contradictory beings. How

1280
02:02:18.199 --> 02:02:23.119
many of us don' t want
good, How many of us wouldn'

1281
02:02:23.199 --> 02:02:27.079
t want to do good to everyone, But we realize that we even hurt

1282
02:02:27.159 --> 02:02:31.680
the people we love the most.
We are beings who have broken relationships almost

1283
02:02:31.680 --> 02:02:40.079
constantly, workers and entrepreneurs, against
each other. Society, against each other,

1284
02:02:40.600 --> 02:02:45.600
in families, broken families, parents
against children, husbands against wives,

1285
02:02:45.880 --> 02:02:51.479
our whole society is a set of
broken relationships. But it is also that

1286
02:02:51.520 --> 02:02:57.399
we have broken the relationship with the
planet, and the planet is bouncing against

1287
02:02:57.399 --> 02:03:01.359
us, it is calling for truce. That is the effect of sin as

1288
02:03:01.479 --> 02:03:06.760
a consequence of the evil in us. It is that we are committing actions,

1289
02:03:09.239 --> 02:03:12.880
sins that are evil, but it
is the consequence of that evil that

1290
02:03:12.960 --> 02:03:15.319
is in us. Sure, it' s not about me being good,

1291
02:03:15.680 --> 02:03:17.800
I' m gonna stop doing this
to each other. The problem is that

1292
02:03:17.960 --> 02:03:24.319
you have something inside you that is
producing that which is the problem of evil

1293
02:03:24.760 --> 02:03:28.479
and you can' t get it
out. No human being has the ability

1294
02:03:28.600 --> 02:03:31.279
for morals, for good, for
good intentions, for you to be able

1295
02:03:31.439 --> 02:03:41.279
to get out of yourself the problem
of sin. It is interesting to hear

1296
02:03:41.399 --> 02:03:45.640
Don Ya or Mallenas talk about Christian
conversion and we are asking if this is

1297
02:03:45.680 --> 02:03:50.800
a purely psychological effect or, for
something deeper. And, of course,

1298
02:03:50.880 --> 02:03:59.479
we could self- believe, fool
ourselves that we' re experiencing a psychological

1299
02:03:59.479 --> 02:04:02.239
catharsis. But then, the result
of that, well, it has to

1300
02:04:02.279 --> 02:04:06.920
be something, something and the truth
is that I think what you' ve

1301
02:04:08.000 --> 02:04:10.960
done is something we don' t
usually do in the part. We do

1302
02:04:11.039 --> 02:04:14.159
so in other fields, both in
politics, in the social, in the

1303
02:04:14.199 --> 02:04:17.119
familiar, in the economic, but
in terms of human spirituality, which is

1304
02:04:17.119 --> 02:04:24.039
such a part of such an important
dimension, so relevant to the human being,

1305
02:04:24.359 --> 02:04:30.079
so unknown. By the way,
diagnose our moral state. I do

1306
02:04:30.119 --> 02:04:34.079
not speak in the code of religious
morality, our moral state before God,

1307
02:04:34.960 --> 02:04:39.039
because God is there. It is
a wonderful being, but God is a

1308
02:04:39.159 --> 02:04:44.159
pure being and we are lacking with
God. Then there. The proposal of

1309
02:04:44.239 --> 02:04:50.680
the Gospel is that to experience true
conversion there is a key that is normally

1310
02:04:50.800 --> 02:04:58.199
so unpopular. Jesus has spoken of
repentance and believe in the Gospel this of

1311
02:04:58.279 --> 02:05:03.520
repentance. Nobody here regrets anything.
It is difficult to experience this touch of

1312
02:05:03.560 --> 02:05:06.560
repentance. What' s that supposed
to mean, why is it scratchy?

1313
02:05:08.399 --> 02:05:11.319
That' s the key, that
is, the beginning, is the fact

1314
02:05:11.439 --> 02:05:14.880
that you recognize that you have a
problem, no one goes to the doctor.

1315
02:05:15.479 --> 02:05:17.079
If you don' t have a
problem, no one' s going

1316
02:05:17.079 --> 02:05:19.560
to see the lawyer. If you
don' t understand that you' re

1317
02:05:19.560 --> 02:05:21.960
in a difficult situation. In the
same way in our society. What we

1318
02:05:23.039 --> 02:05:28.560
' re doing is turning off consciousness. Every time someone says ay it'

1319
02:05:28.640 --> 02:05:30.640
s that I think I' ve
done it wrong And so the others run

1320
02:05:30.680 --> 02:05:32.159
all over and say that goes,
goes, goes, goes, goes,

1321
02:05:32.319 --> 02:05:34.800
goes, you' re not to
blame. No one' s guilty of

1322
02:05:34.800 --> 02:05:40.039
anything. And of course, good
man, the one who took all the

1323
02:05:40.039 --> 02:05:43.560
millions, the one who is the
same as the one who is guilty because

1324
02:05:43.560 --> 02:05:45.319
he arrived. I don' t
know how many billions of Valencia City Halls.

1325
02:05:45.520 --> 02:05:50.079
No, but we' re people. Well, we feel uncomfortable,

1326
02:05:50.880 --> 02:05:57.760
even with each other' s guilt. No one' s to blame for

1327
02:05:57.760 --> 02:06:00.560
anything. As you said, one
of our society' s favorite phrases is

1328
02:06:00.880 --> 02:06:05.439
I don' t regret anything.
Julio, I want to tell you that

1329
02:06:05.560 --> 02:06:10.640
I do regret a lot of things. I' m not one of those

1330
02:06:10.760 --> 02:06:15.119
who doesn' t regret anything.
I, personally, have done many things

1331
02:06:15.199 --> 02:06:19.319
with which I have hurt many people. I' ve done things I shouldn

1332
02:06:19.319 --> 02:06:25.920
' t have done, doing things
that are totally inadequate, that wasn'

1333
02:06:26.000 --> 02:06:30.119
t the best, that wasn'
t what God wanted, that wasn'

1334
02:06:30.119 --> 02:06:31.319
t something to benefit others. I
hurt myself and I hurt others he hears

1335
02:06:31.439 --> 02:06:35.319
and I think I have not been
corrupt or killed anyone, but, despite

1336
02:06:35.319 --> 02:06:41.479
everything, I have done many things
that are wrong. And the basis,

1337
02:06:41.840 --> 02:06:46.640
the beginning is in that step,
in saying, there is a criterion of

1338
02:06:46.640 --> 02:06:53.000
justice. Good exists, seeing is
such an abstract concept and so liquid that

1339
02:06:53.119 --> 02:06:57.119
no one can know what it is. We all know, in the end,

1340
02:06:57.279 --> 02:06:59.239
if I' ve had my car
scratched, that that' s wrong.

1341
02:07:00.079 --> 02:07:05.000
We all know when someone has made
a climb and got a promotion at

1342
02:07:05.119 --> 02:07:11.600
my expense. When someone has criticized
me, we all know it' s

1343
02:07:11.600 --> 02:07:15.039
wrong. Sometimes we relativize everything so
that when evil is so relative, no

1344
02:07:15.039 --> 02:07:19.319
one can say that someone has done
something wrong. But there are things that

1345
02:07:19.399 --> 02:07:25.600
are wrong. There are many things
that are wrong, and the thing begins

1346
02:07:25.840 --> 02:07:30.520
by feeling that I have done it
wrong by many regrets. Repentance changes first

1347
02:07:30.680 --> 02:07:35.760
in your mind, that is,
the direction I have gone was not the

1348
02:07:36.159 --> 02:07:42.159
right one. That thing I did
was wrong. The intentions of my heart

1349
02:07:42.399 --> 02:07:47.680
were not right, because only when
we recognize that something was wrong, can

1350
02:07:47.760 --> 02:07:53.199
the thing begin to go. Well, when you don' t feel sick,

1351
02:07:54.000 --> 02:07:56.319
you don' t have to go
to the doctor. Is it silly

1352
02:07:56.439 --> 02:07:59.479
to go see the doctor when you' re not bad? It' s

1353
02:07:59.520 --> 02:08:01.319
silly to go to your lawyer when
it' s not bad. But when

1354
02:08:01.359 --> 02:08:05.960
you feel like you have a disease, that' s when you' re

1355
02:08:05.960 --> 02:08:09.319
looking for help. There' s
a lot of people who are wrong but

1356
02:08:09.319 --> 02:08:13.520
don' t know. There are
times when you have a serious illness,

1357
02:08:15.079 --> 02:08:16.399
a disease that can lead to death, but you don' t know.

1358
02:08:18.000 --> 02:08:20.800
That doesn' t mean you don' t know that you' re not

1359
02:08:20.800 --> 02:08:26.000
bad. The degree of illness has
nothing to do with whether you recognize it

1360
02:08:26.119 --> 02:08:31.880
or not. The situation will improve
in the sense that when you recognize it

1361
02:08:31.439 --> 02:08:37.520
you can start looking for if there
is a solution. And the solution is

1362
02:08:37.560 --> 02:08:41.439
that the question is that the problem
of evil, the problem of sin,

1363
02:08:41.920 --> 02:08:46.840
does have a solution. But the
first thing you have to recognize is that

1364
02:08:46.920 --> 02:08:50.239
you' re wrong, because if
you don' t, there' s

1365
02:08:50.239 --> 02:08:52.920
no chance of finding the solution.
This is what repentance is, in the

1366
02:08:52.479 --> 02:08:58.760
recognition of saying there is evil in
me. This evil is going to destroy

1367
02:09:00.159 --> 02:09:05.000
me and other people, and I
want to find a solution. That'

1368
02:09:05.079 --> 02:09:09.960
s the only difference. The difference
is not that there are religious people and

1369
02:09:09.079 --> 02:09:15.439
non- religious people, there are
religious people who never recognize that it is

1370
02:09:15.520 --> 02:09:20.920
wrong, but the difference is when
you feel sinful and know that the solution

1371
02:09:20.960 --> 02:09:28.359
is only God, because then things
begin to improve substantively. So this is

1372
02:09:28.439 --> 02:09:33.720
the way to experience conversion in that
encounter with Jesus Christ, the Son of

1373
02:09:33.800 --> 02:09:43.920
God, because I was thinking of
society as a drug- trafficking society.

1374
02:09:43.720 --> 02:09:50.319
And I wouldn' t want to
be far from being sensitive and rude.

1375
02:09:50.760 --> 02:09:56.880
But we' re like a zombie
generation and I was among these, in

1376
02:09:56.960 --> 02:10:01.119
this zombie generation that we were going
through that inertia. We had the virus

1377
02:10:01.199 --> 02:10:07.199
inoculated. And the truth is that
that generation, those people, that narcotized,

1378
02:10:09.439 --> 02:10:16.800
cauterized, burned consciousness that we had
has been insensitive, because it was

1379
02:10:16.960 --> 02:10:22.399
so hard for us to repent of
our personal sin. We are at fault

1380
02:10:22.560 --> 02:10:26.680
with God. We are at fault
sometimes with other people because we have done

1381
02:10:26.880 --> 02:10:33.359
bad or bad things towards people and
harmed someone. But we are also at

1382
02:10:33.479 --> 02:10:37.199
fault with God, our creator.
Then why it costs us so much to

1383
02:10:37.319 --> 02:10:45.079
be and we are so insensitive to
realize our error and to repent of our

1384
02:10:45.399 --> 02:10:50.439
sins. This word is a cursed
word for society. Today, yes,

1385
02:10:50.720 --> 02:10:56.800
the truth is that behind the bad
things we do, behind sin, there

1386
02:10:56.640 --> 02:11:03.199
is another problem. That what is
behind all of this is that, somehow,

1387
02:11:03.560 --> 02:11:07.880
what causes there to be evil in
us actually, the most serious thing

1388
02:11:07.880 --> 02:11:11.640
is not all that we do,
it is not the sins, but the

1389
02:11:11.640 --> 02:11:20.079
most serious thing is to turn away
from God. That is really the problem

1390
02:11:20.640 --> 02:11:26.560
that generates everything else the moment we
expel God from our life, when,

1391
02:11:26.800 --> 02:11:31.279
instead of God being the most important
thing for us, we begin to place

1392
02:11:31.439 --> 02:11:39.960
a lot of things. But when
you don' t love God above all

1393
02:11:39.079 --> 02:11:45.439
things you mean there are things you
love more than God. Those things you

1394
02:11:45.560 --> 02:11:52.239
love more than God are your idols. You love money more, or you

1395
02:11:52.319 --> 02:11:58.239
love your family more or you love
your person more. But God is no

1396
02:11:58.359 --> 02:12:05.640
longer the absolute. God is not
what you most desire. On earth.

1397
02:12:05.520 --> 02:12:11.479
You desire other things above God.
That will clearly show you if you now

1398
02:12:11.560 --> 02:12:16.319
put on what you most desire in
the world. This, this, this,

1399
02:12:16.640 --> 02:12:22.640
those are your idols that you are
worshiping, which you prefer to be

1400
02:12:22.720 --> 02:12:28.079
more important to you than God.
And when you expel God, you keep

1401
02:12:28.239 --> 02:12:33.720
those other things and you know neither
the money, nor all the money in

1402
02:12:33.840 --> 02:12:39.560
the world, nor all the affection
of all people, nor all that you

1403
02:12:39.600 --> 02:12:43.520
consider to be the most important thing
in the world. They have the ability

1404
02:12:43.640 --> 02:12:48.159
to satisfy your heart. None of
them have the ability to give you eternal

1405
02:12:48.159 --> 02:12:54.199
life. Because the problem of sin
is not only that makes you unhappy here,

1406
02:12:54.439 --> 02:13:00.439
because sometimes you can live relatively happy, but the problem of sin is

1407
02:13:00.560 --> 02:13:05.000
that it causes you, as you
have disconnected from the author of the life

1408
02:13:05.159 --> 02:13:09.960
of the one who has created life, only death remains for you and all

1409
02:13:09.039 --> 02:13:15.319
human beings we have to face death
here. But the really serious problem is

1410
02:13:15.399 --> 02:13:18.920
not only death here, but eternal
death, because eternal separation from God is

1411
02:13:20.039 --> 02:13:26.359
eternal death. That' s why
God promises you something. God promises you

1412
02:13:26.800 --> 02:13:30.880
that you can come to have life
again, that you can come to have

1413
02:13:30.960 --> 02:13:33.319
not life like the one you can
have here on earth, but eternal life.

1414
02:13:35.479 --> 02:13:39.600
And eternal life you have to understand
one thing, that eternal life is

1415
02:13:39.680 --> 02:13:43.399
not only a very long life,
but that eternal life is the life of

1416
02:13:43.399 --> 02:13:50.720
God. Only God has eternal life, but you can have the life of

1417
02:13:50.840 --> 02:13:54.920
God, because God wants to give
you that life. You have to reconnect

1418
02:13:56.079 --> 02:13:58.680
with God. If the sin is
that you ever cast God out of your

1419
02:13:58.800 --> 02:14:03.039
life. If sin is that you
have wanted a lot of things instead of

1420
02:14:03.159 --> 02:14:11.199
God, God comes to you to
offer you eternal life. In the matter,

1421
02:14:11.399 --> 02:14:16.760
conversion is that you can leave the
death you are living to live God

1422
02:14:16.960 --> 02:14:20.439
' s life. And that'
s it. That' s absolutely great,

1423
02:14:20.840 --> 02:14:24.039
it' s wonderful how. But
that' s the cool thing.

1424
02:14:24.279 --> 02:14:28.840
That' s what it is.
Conversion is to begin to live the life

1425
02:14:28.000 --> 02:14:33.720
of God. If Jesus taught us
that it is what I at least received

1426
02:14:33.840 --> 02:14:43.600
and is what the transformative experience really
is, he taught us that it was

1427
02:14:43.720 --> 02:14:52.359
necessary to preach to men and to
repent and also to believe in the Gospel.

1428
02:14:52.279 --> 02:14:54.720
In the gospel it is God'
s good news for man, the

1429
02:14:54.840 --> 02:15:01.359
news of salvation from eternal life that
you in Christ, Jesus. But now

1430
02:15:01.640 --> 02:15:05.079
faith in Jesus Christ is an act
of trust in God. This is the

1431
02:15:05.159 --> 02:15:11.279
second true step. Without this click
there is no change possible. Indeed,

1432
02:15:11.039 --> 02:15:18.520
a first thing is to see that
you have separated yourself from God. The

1433
02:15:18.720 --> 02:15:22.560
consequence of the separation from God is
all those evil events that are occurring.

1434
02:15:22.720 --> 02:15:28.039
All that lack of life that in
your life, all that lack of purpose

1435
02:15:28.159 --> 02:15:31.199
that you can notice. But it
is also that eternal death. But,

1436
02:15:31.359 --> 02:15:35.760
on the other hand, all that
you couldn' t get, that no

1437
02:15:35.880 --> 02:15:41.840
human being could get. In fact, repentance does not achieve eternal life either,

1438
02:15:41.479 --> 02:15:45.840
because what eternal life accomplishes is not
what you could do. So,

1439
02:15:46.079 --> 02:15:52.199
at first I said this is not
a question of man. Man can even

1440
02:15:52.479 --> 02:15:56.239
repent in some way, but man
cannot achieve eternal life by himself is bankrupt,

1441
02:15:56.560 --> 02:16:01.119
he has no chance of achieving it, for what man could not do

1442
02:16:01.239 --> 02:16:09.039
is what God has done. When
man was unable to save himself, God

1443
02:16:09.119 --> 02:16:15.319
sent his son. When we think
about what the sense of Christmas is.

1444
02:16:16.079 --> 02:16:20.439
True, God became a man.
It is that that eternal God became man

1445
02:16:20.520 --> 02:16:28.720
because we could not get it,
because we never had anything with which we

1446
02:16:28.199 --> 02:16:33.799
could pay for that sin. And
then, what we couldn' t do,

1447
02:16:33.360 --> 02:16:37.920
he did when we didn' t
have the ability to get life.

1448
02:16:37.440 --> 02:16:43.760
He got it for us how to
become a man, living a just life

1449
02:16:45.559 --> 02:16:48.719
among us and then going to the
cross with my sins on top. Jesus

1450
02:16:48.799 --> 02:16:54.879
Christ did not die to give us
a good example, because he had no

1451
02:16:54.079 --> 02:17:00.680
choice or because the Jews wanted to
kill him. He offered his life for

1452
02:17:00.840 --> 02:17:07.680
us. Evil is so serious that
God cannot forget it. God is a

1453
02:17:07.760 --> 02:17:11.399
righteous god. If God simply forgot
about the evil embarrassed, nothing like no

1454
02:17:11.479 --> 02:17:16.079
has happened, that would mean that
all the great criminals who have the bad

1455
02:17:16.520 --> 02:17:24.440
habit of dying in their beds could
unjustly live forever. And that' s

1456
02:17:24.479 --> 02:17:28.159
what it can' t be.
God has to judge evil in the world

1457
02:17:28.239 --> 02:17:31.600
to God. Judge evil in the
world, or you pay for that evil

1458
02:17:31.719 --> 02:17:37.639
with your life, or God pays. And the question is that God paid

1459
02:17:37.000 --> 02:17:43.360
for that evil. And that we
can do two things. Face eternity,

1460
02:17:43.559 --> 02:17:50.479
face death with our own resources,
face death alone, or simply trust him,

1461
02:17:50.959 --> 02:17:56.879
trust him and put out, trust
that he gives you eternal life by

1462
02:17:56.440 --> 02:18:03.719
human beings. There are people who
say I' m glad you have that

1463
02:18:03.799 --> 02:18:07.639
faith and I say you' re
not happy, because you can have it,

1464
02:18:07.639 --> 02:18:11.799
too. In the end, each
of us has to decide who he

1465
02:18:11.879 --> 02:18:16.879
will trust when we have to appear
before God, because whether you believe or

1466
02:18:16.959 --> 02:18:20.399
not he will not prevent you from
appearing before God. But when we have

1467
02:18:20.559 --> 02:18:26.639
to appear before God, with what
you will present yourself with your own righteousness

1468
02:18:26.760 --> 02:18:30.399
or with the righteousness that he got
on the cross. For You, You

1469
02:18:30.479 --> 02:18:33.879
can be delivered from your sins,
You can be forgiven from your sins,

1470
02:18:35.479 --> 02:18:39.600
You can have the righteousness of God, which He gave you. And you

1471
02:18:39.680 --> 02:18:43.040
can' t do that with any
good deed. You can' t get

1472
02:18:43.200 --> 02:18:48.159
it with anything you have. But
if you can when you receive what he

1473
02:18:48.200 --> 02:18:52.600
has done for You, when you
put your trust in faith, it is

1474
02:18:52.680 --> 02:18:58.440
not a strange thing. Faith is
in whom we decide to trust to face

1475
02:18:58.559 --> 02:19:05.479
the eternal in God or in yourself. And so it is I believe that,

1476
02:19:05.000 --> 02:19:09.920
gentlemen and gentlemen with good understanding,
these words are more than enlightening.

1477
02:19:11.000 --> 02:19:15.639
Yauma one of the paradigms of conversion, even not only from the biblical point

1478
02:19:15.760 --> 02:19:22.959
of view, but popular that has
become popular in conversion, in the figure

1479
02:19:22.040 --> 02:19:26.920
of Saul or Paul. When one
says good, for I Paul became the

1480
02:19:28.000 --> 02:19:33.840
way of Damascus. People know,
at least in the social imaginary, this

1481
02:19:33.399 --> 02:19:39.799
figure of Saul' s conversion is
the only reference to conversion that is popularly

1482
02:19:39.879 --> 02:19:46.520
true, yes, but there are
many more, because all human beings,

1483
02:19:46.000 --> 02:19:50.479
not only those who were persecutors of
the church, not only those who were

1484
02:19:50.520 --> 02:19:58.559
a pestilence, but all of us
We have to find our way to God,

1485
02:19:58.799 --> 02:20:03.840
because conversion is, conversion is to
find my way to God. In

1486
02:20:03.920 --> 02:20:07.239
some cases, for some people it
is a dramatic fact, it is a

1487
02:20:07.319 --> 02:20:13.079
fact that they were going to chase, to kill, to do something terrible,

1488
02:20:13.079 --> 02:20:16.920
to commit suicide. I know people
who were going to kill themselves and

1489
02:20:18.159 --> 02:20:22.000
suddenly have come to themselves and at
that moment God has said where I am

1490
02:20:22.159 --> 02:20:26.000
going and has turned to God at
a dramatic moment in his life. But

1491
02:20:26.280 --> 02:20:31.200
whether it' s dramatic or not. Some people decided that they were children

1492
02:20:31.680 --> 02:20:35.559
and saw that they were not going
anywhere. A five- year- old

1493
02:20:35.639 --> 02:20:41.399
can feel weight for sin and may
want to seek God as a solution.

1494
02:20:41.239 --> 02:20:46.760
Any kind of person at any time, because that' s the thing that

1495
02:20:46.879 --> 02:20:50.799
can even be a gradual process in
which you realize day by day, that

1496
02:20:50.920 --> 02:20:54.920
that' s not the direction you
should go that you' re going towards

1497
02:20:54.959 --> 02:21:01.719
self- destruction. No, and
you realize that the only solution is in

1498
02:21:01.920 --> 02:21:07.479
God and you' re making the
decision to keep looking for God day by

1499
02:21:07.680 --> 02:21:11.000
day that if there is any solution, it must be in him and not

1500
02:21:11.120 --> 02:21:16.120
in you and that process in a
time takes you to God. So,

1501
02:21:16.360 --> 02:21:20.639
and whether you turn to God,
I beat you immediately, whether you'

1502
02:21:20.639 --> 02:21:26.479
re already at some point in that
professed one, just as you' ve

1503
02:21:26.600 --> 02:21:30.879
been struggling with that idea for a
while now, just as long ago you

1504
02:21:31.079 --> 02:21:35.559
realize that it' s a process
of discovery, that the place you were

1505
02:21:35.639 --> 02:21:39.120
going to is not the right place
to go trying to provide your own solutions,

1506
02:21:39.360 --> 02:21:43.040
you leave, realizing that that'
s not the solution. And there

1507
02:21:43.120 --> 02:21:46.520
comes a moment where you say God
look, I realize that I don'

1508
02:21:46.879 --> 02:21:48.879
t, and I' ve decided
to trust what you' ve done because

1509
02:21:48.920 --> 02:21:52.200
I realize that I don' t
have the solution. It' s a

1510
02:21:52.319 --> 02:21:56.719
comeback. The Bible sometimes describes it
as like this, not as turning on

1511
02:21:56.840 --> 02:22:03.399
the light itself, as suddenly you
see it. Of course not. And

1512
02:22:03.559 --> 02:22:05.079
that' s the process. So
sometimes it' s an instant question.

1513
02:22:07.600 --> 02:22:11.799
Sometimes it takes time, because God
is working in your life God really loves

1514
02:22:11.959 --> 02:22:16.680
you, God seeks you, God
loves you, God is behind you,

1515
02:22:16.920 --> 02:22:22.959
not because he needs anything, but
because you need everything. But God loves

1516
02:22:22.079 --> 02:22:26.680
you, God loves you God seeks
you no. And that is the relationship

1517
02:22:26.959 --> 02:22:33.520
that God maintains even with those who
deserve nothing but to live forever apart from

1518
02:22:33.600 --> 02:22:39.680
God. Yes, that' s
the horror more And for me, at

1519
02:22:39.760 --> 02:22:46.399
this point it would be unimaginable and
I remember at the time when I experienced

1520
02:22:46.520 --> 02:22:52.120
conversion, I was eighteen years old
and I lived it in a very flat

1521
02:22:54.920 --> 02:23:00.799
world, very gray and my reasonings
were very, very primary, very elementary,

1522
02:23:03.719 --> 02:23:07.719
but I could experience the horror of
sin and at that time I realized

1523
02:23:07.760 --> 02:23:13.559
that I was missing with God and
asked God sincerely for forgiveness of my sins

1524
02:23:13.639 --> 02:23:16.600
and deposited all my trust in Jesus
Christ. And from then on, forty

1525
02:23:16.200 --> 02:23:20.680
- four years later, jama,
because now one speaks, that is,

1526
02:23:20.959 --> 02:23:26.799
what is the result. This is
nothing. It' s smoke, it

1527
02:23:26.799 --> 02:23:31.920
' s just a vapor, a
mist of life. Not many interesting and

1528
02:23:31.959 --> 02:23:37.239
good things have happened, as a
person has grown that experience with God,

1529
02:23:37.440 --> 02:23:41.239
has grown, has developed and today
I say as if it were yesterday or

1530
02:23:41.280 --> 02:23:48.559
before yesterday. So, that'
s why the question is what changes occur

1531
02:23:48.600 --> 02:23:50.959
in a person' s life.
With conversion I' m describing mine.

1532
02:23:52.399 --> 02:23:56.159
Not really, since you describe yours. Let me count, too. Yeah,

1533
02:23:56.399 --> 02:24:01.719
like a chance. Yes, I
was turning to God when I was

1534
02:24:01.719 --> 02:24:05.879
about nineteen. A year earlier,
something happened in my life, which is

1535
02:24:05.959 --> 02:24:11.040
that I did not follow a religious
life. I didn' t go to

1536
02:24:11.040 --> 02:24:15.120
the Catholic Church at that time,
because every week and the whole thing,

1537
02:24:15.239 --> 02:24:20.680
but I knew that something didn'
t work out well that my life,

1538
02:24:20.559 --> 02:24:24.959
I lived from shit to shit.
Every day I had to go looking for

1539
02:24:24.079 --> 02:24:28.719
some purpose to live, because that, that was very short- lived.

1540
02:24:28.879 --> 02:24:33.040
Even when I was young, I
realized that that was not on purpose.

1541
02:24:33.719 --> 02:24:37.680
And what God did provide when I
realized that there was a problem called Sin

1542
02:24:37.840 --> 02:24:41.879
and that there was a solution,
which was called Christ, is that God

1543
02:24:41.040 --> 02:24:46.760
brought his life into my life.
And one thing that is important is that

1544
02:24:46.799 --> 02:24:52.760
since that moment my life has had
a clear purpose, because I stopped living

1545
02:24:52.920 --> 02:24:58.959
for myself, to start living for
God' s purposes. People think that

1546
02:24:58.280 --> 02:25:05.239
the more selfish it is that the
more it lives for itself, the more

1547
02:25:05.280 --> 02:25:07.319
results it will get. The problem. You know what it is that there

1548
02:25:07.440 --> 02:25:13.280
are more than seven billion people in
the world who try to live for themselves

1549
02:25:13.360 --> 02:25:18.399
when you live, selfishly, when
you think you will get more out of

1550
02:25:18.520 --> 02:25:22.239
life, if you live for the
party, if you live for goals,

1551
02:25:22.760 --> 02:25:26.520
for you, if you live for
and you realize in the end that all

1552
02:25:26.680 --> 02:25:31.079
that has brought into your life is
empty. Empty, empty and you wake

1553
02:25:31.239 --> 02:25:35.799
up purposelessly one day after another and
say God life can give no more than

1554
02:25:35.920 --> 02:25:39.719
this. And one thing that'
s interesting is that the Bible promises you

1555
02:25:39.719 --> 02:25:45.920
God. He promises you that when
you know God, when you receive God

1556
02:25:46.000 --> 02:25:50.079
in your heart, when you decide
to trust that God, God puts the

1557
02:25:50.319 --> 02:25:54.760
spirit in You. That is the
gift of the Holy Spirit begins to live

1558
02:25:54.840 --> 02:26:00.879
in your heart and from that moment
on God says that rivers of living water

1559
02:26:01.440 --> 02:26:05.719
flow within you. It is a
completely new experience, the experience of rivers

1560
02:26:05.799 --> 02:26:09.719
of living water, because God begins
to flow within you and you make sense

1561
02:26:09.799 --> 02:26:15.319
and give you purpose and you know
what you get up for the next day,

1562
02:26:15.719 --> 02:26:18.000
and you know what you live for, what God' s purposes are,

1563
02:26:18.799 --> 02:26:22.239
as before, you lived for You
and live for You. It only

1564
02:26:22.319 --> 02:26:30.479
caused you dissatisfaction, begin to live
for God and for the other and bless

1565
02:26:30.639 --> 02:26:35.799
the other, do good things for
the other, work for those things that

1566
02:26:35.920 --> 02:26:39.440
God has put before You, to
improve the environment, to make this world

1567
02:26:39.559 --> 02:26:45.399
a living place. Just look at
your work. It starts to make sense

1568
02:26:45.760 --> 02:26:48.319
before you went there because there was
no choice to make money. But now

1569
02:26:48.440 --> 02:26:52.559
you go to fulfill God’ s
purposes, to make this earth a better

1570
02:26:52.639 --> 02:26:56.280
place, to make your work,
which can be very repetitive, bless others

1571
02:26:56.280 --> 02:27:05.799
exactly repetitive. It makes sense,
because you realize not what you do,

1572
02:27:05.239 --> 02:27:11.520
but who blesses what you do.
And you start thinking about blessing others that

1573
02:27:11.639 --> 02:27:16.079
you are here so that others also
know God, so that others have the

1574
02:27:16.079 --> 02:27:22.760
same experience and truth that living for
God is the great experience. You have

1575
02:27:22.959 --> 02:27:26.479
to get out of yourself. You
have to realize that life has no meaning

1576
02:27:26.559 --> 02:27:28.840
when it is focused on You,
but instead, it has everything when it

1577
02:27:28.920 --> 02:27:33.719
is focused on God. And in
others and really that has been exciting sometimes

1578
02:27:33.799 --> 02:27:39.920
talking to my wife, I say
well, I have lived with God for

1579
02:27:39.120 --> 02:27:41.600
a few years. There have been
no more than thirty years with God,

1580
02:27:43.559 --> 02:27:48.600
but they have been as if they
were sixty or seventy, for I have

1581
02:27:48.760 --> 02:27:52.200
lived intensely to squeeze out life in
these years. And it is not that

1582
02:27:52.239 --> 02:27:58.040
I feel so satisfied with myself,
but I feel very satisfied with what God

1583
02:27:58.239 --> 02:28:01.120
has given me. God has been
very unfaithful for all these years. I

1584
02:28:01.200 --> 02:28:05.360
' ve experienced different crises. I
lived the crisis of seventy- nine,

1585
02:28:05.600 --> 02:28:11.159
the oil crisis, I lived the
crisis of the restoration of the We have

1586
02:28:11.280 --> 02:28:16.920
received personal crises, with losses of
people in my family, I saw of

1587
02:28:16.079 --> 02:28:22.639
experiences of diseases and difficult experiences,
of contradiction of hard moments of life,

1588
02:28:24.479 --> 02:28:28.159
but it has been cool to live
them with God. It' s been

1589
02:28:28.959 --> 02:28:31.200
an experience I wouldn' t change
for anything. I' ve learned a

1590
02:28:31.280 --> 02:28:37.239
lot, I' ve grown a
lot, I' ve been very blessed

1591
02:28:37.280 --> 02:28:41.040
by God all these years and I
hope to remain here. But I have

1592
02:28:41.079 --> 02:28:43.719
the hope of eternal life that that
will continue, that what I am living

1593
02:28:43.840 --> 02:28:48.959
here is only a pale reflection of
what God has prepared for me when I

1594
02:28:50.280 --> 02:28:52.680
see him face to face, because
I am going to see face to face

1595
02:28:52.719 --> 02:28:56.040
with God, not on my own
merits, but for those he got.

1596
02:28:56.399 --> 02:29:01.239
And it would be a little bit
what I wanted to tell about me too.

1597
02:29:01.280 --> 02:29:07.520
And what a nice step, that' s nice, because it'

1598
02:29:07.639 --> 02:29:13.079
s very important to our friends who
listen to us in so many Spanish cities

1599
02:29:13.159 --> 02:29:18.639
and behind global radio anywhere in the
world. It is also very important that

1600
02:29:18.920 --> 02:29:24.799
we can identify this experience, which
is not generic, ethereal, abstract and

1601
02:29:24.920 --> 02:29:31.520
impracticable or non- experimental, that
we count it in the experience of men

1602
02:29:31.520 --> 02:29:35.319
and women. They could also testify
to this in flesh and blood, and

1603
02:29:35.479 --> 02:29:39.680
I am in some way calling on
the interviewee and a servant so that our

1604
02:29:39.760 --> 02:29:46.399
listeners know that this really happens and
there are real tangible changes and even how

1605
02:29:46.559 --> 02:29:54.719
much it would give if this topic
did not convert as a transformative experience,

1606
02:29:54.479 --> 02:30:01.520
a definitely supernatural experience in the passively
sustained. Thank you very much, my

1607
02:30:01.959 --> 02:30:05.079
dear Yaoma, for thanks also for
being with us this morning on the train

1608
02:30:05.159 --> 02:30:28.319
of life. Dear friend, a
hug, very affectionate, embrace always m

1609
02:30:31.000 --> 02:30:35.920
the train of life, life,
your life is a gift to see my

1610
02:30:37.040 --> 02:30:45.520
illusion, that you be happy and
that all your healing become reality. Today

1611
02:30:45.680 --> 02:30:52.360
I celebrate your smile the joy you
breathe. It' s so nice to

1612
02:30:52.680 --> 02:30:58.639
be with you and have you,
Cadiz. It' s another year you

1613
02:30:58.879 --> 02:31:05.639
' re here celebrating in front of
me, sharing your way of life,

1614
02:31:07.680 --> 02:31:13.840
feeling that beautiful seeing you like this, so joyful and so happy, embracing

1615
02:31:13.959 --> 02:31:22.920
the certainty of what' s to
come, that your soles are fulfilled before

1616
02:31:22.040 --> 02:31:28.360
you paddle money so that it'
s worth but it' s all the

1617
02:31:28.479 --> 02:31:33.959
night that brings winter, that your
dreams are fulfilled and that you raise egg,

1618
02:31:35.200 --> 02:31:41.520
that your life is cooked with the
blessing is you fall into heaven that

1619
02:31:41.520 --> 02:31:43.159
if you don' t have to
love all your hour. When you hear

1620
02:31:43.360 --> 02:31:58.600
the sound of this simple song,
the rambling, the maradar, add to

1621
02:31:58.840 --> 02:32:05.959
you and his gift to me my
illusion that you will be happy and that

1622
02:32:07.120 --> 02:32:15.840
all your longings will come true,
your smile will tell her that you breathe,

1623
02:32:16.920 --> 02:32:24.799
that I orine you are with you
and have you cavila, that your

1624
02:32:24.959 --> 02:32:31.159
dreams will be fulfilled before you paddle
money so that it will be dogorita the

1625
02:32:31.479 --> 02:32:37.040
night, that it will bring fear, that your dreams will be fulfilled and

1626
02:32:37.239 --> 02:32:41.719
that you will raise egg, that
will be filled with your life with the

1627
02:32:41.719 --> 02:32:43.760
blessings that falls in heaven, that
inun drinks love all your heart. When

1628
02:32:43.840 --> 02:32:52.360
you hear it sound is the simple
song, tell me that life is short,

1629
02:32:54.719 --> 02:33:07.879
keep on that there is much abode, or I am good, well

1630
02:33:09.040 --> 02:33:15.479
bring buy my dream and leave the
ground, fill your life with the blessings

1631
02:33:15.600 --> 02:33:22.479
that falls into heaven, which is
the name r your bowl to hear that

1632
02:33:22.559 --> 02:33:33.760
I am this without song Grow and
do not weigh me. Listen, I

1633
02:33:37.479 --> 02:33:58.440
' m nothing. Not anymore.
Choosing the perfect song for your wedding day

1634
02:33:58.559 --> 02:34:03.680
dance may cost a lot, but
choosing it while driving may cost you to

1635
02:34:03.719 --> 02:34:09.000
step on the accelerator without realizing it. Costing an accident will cost an emergency

1636
02:34:09.120 --> 02:34:13.000
service call, costing the loss of
a friend and cost a sense of guilt.

1637
02:34:15.040 --> 02:34:18.239
This song can end up costing a
lot and be the mask of the

1638
02:34:18.239 --> 02:34:22.719
world. A small decision can trigger
consequences for everyone. Directorate- General for

1639
02:34:22.719 --> 02:34:26.399
Traffic, Ministry of the Interior,
Government of Spain. I' m good

1640
02:34:26.479 --> 02:34:30.239
enough to have two horres to call
the barber. I don' t panic

1641
02:34:30.319 --> 02:34:33.159
between the containers. We can have
a new life or the house to create

1642
02:34:33.200 --> 02:34:37.399
is right. We can be useful
and do not recycle with forty plastic bottles.

1643
02:34:37.440 --> 02:34:39.000
If he makes a lining for the
libric he says yes and this is

1644
02:34:39.000 --> 02:34:43.280
the size. We' re going
to bike and give packaging a new life.

1645
02:34:43.559 --> 02:34:48.760
Put them in their container and take
care of the environment. They don

1646
02:34:50.040 --> 02:34:52.360
' t keep an eye on giving
the can. Give a new life to

1647
02:34:52.479 --> 02:35:03.159
the packaging. Recicla mancomunidades San Marcos
and Ecohendes the train of life, an

1648
02:35:03.879 --> 02:35:11.200
exciting journey along the routes of the
heart, an unforgettable journey at the rhythm

1649
02:35:11.319 --> 02:35:58.760
of the train. Well, we' re already talking to our friend José

1650
02:36:00.159 --> 02:36:05.799
de Segovia. You know that José
de Segovia is a journalist, is a

1651
02:36:07.440 --> 02:36:13.079
Protestant pastor in the city of Madrid
and, moreover, is a critical name

1652
02:36:13.680 --> 02:36:20.200
of art, of literature that is
put before him, because he is at

1653
02:36:20.239 --> 02:36:24.600
the end, is the day of
so many questions. It is a real

1654
02:36:26.079 --> 02:36:35.639
melomaniac and also reader and let'
s say insatiable from the latest novels or

1655
02:36:35.719 --> 02:36:41.399
narrative or anything else of interest.
And we always appreciate being able to talk

1656
02:36:41.520 --> 02:36:48.799
to him about so many things and
these characters, about social influence, as

1657
02:36:48.840 --> 02:36:52.159
well as musical influence, of course, that have marked a time such as

1658
02:36:52.600 --> 02:36:58.680
the Beatles, Rolling Stones, Rolling
Stones and also the Uros group, the

1659
02:37:00.000 --> 02:37:03.360
Irish group, And we want to
ask him, who is very up to

1660
02:37:03.399 --> 02:37:09.959
date with this also what influence they
have exerted on social consciousness, in the

1661
02:37:11.000 --> 02:37:18.360
youth of then and now Hello,
Dear Joseph, Dear friend, very good

1662
02:37:20.559 --> 02:37:24.399
morning, José, speaking of musical
influence, the Beatles are always the reference

1663
02:37:24.639 --> 02:37:28.440
of a new era a new era
and from there the music takes on another

1664
02:37:28.559 --> 02:37:35.280
color. True what the Beatles represented
from then on until now, as the

1665
02:37:35.360 --> 02:37:39.760
Beatles were more than just the favorite
music of a generation. He became his

1666
02:37:39.799 --> 02:37:45.719
spokesman, more even his guide,
we could say even spiritual. You have

1667
02:37:45.799 --> 02:37:50.920
to realize that people followed their opinions
and comments even in their way of seeing

1668
02:37:50.040 --> 02:37:56.120
the world and conceiving life. Ultimately, this is what they were sometimes calling

1669
02:37:56.200 --> 02:38:01.680
even the Gospel the Second Beatles.
The idea of how they became a spiritual

1670
02:38:01.920 --> 02:38:07.879
guide, which has been analyzed in
recent biography, the opinions that were dropping

1671
02:38:07.959 --> 02:38:13.559
into interviews, the texts of the
songs, all of which became more than

1672
02:38:15.079 --> 02:38:20.760
just a spokesman. We could say
in the spiritual fun of an entire generation

1673
02:38:20.879 --> 02:38:26.719
that encompasses already three different, because
whatever was yours may be followed by two

1674
02:38:26.840 --> 02:38:31.799
more that have continued to have you
as the main one. Really the popular

1675
02:38:31.879 --> 02:38:35.559
music group and the best- selling
albums that to this day are rarely on

1676
02:38:35.639 --> 02:38:41.239
offer, because they are precisely the
most demanded and demanded and continue to be

1677
02:38:41.319 --> 02:38:50.319
an extraordinary source of income for the
now difficult caramba record industry. Yes,

1678
02:38:52.079 --> 02:38:56.719
the truth that the Beatles represent a
time, a music that still prevails in

1679
02:38:58.079 --> 02:39:03.319
the echo of time and that has
created a style, without a doubt,

1680
02:39:03.440 --> 02:39:09.239
that triggers the new era of music. The rollings that come to represent the

1681
02:39:09.319 --> 02:39:13.479
rolling sones that are so for some
games, the Rolling Stones were the bad

1682
02:39:13.639 --> 02:39:22.319
face, let' s say of
what the Beatles were most positively presented,

1683
02:39:22.479 --> 02:39:26.040
although at their origin in Germany,
when they combien are playing in clubs,

1684
02:39:26.200 --> 02:39:30.680
they are precisely on the dark side
of life. But the Rollings, from

1685
02:39:30.760 --> 02:39:35.000
the beginning, as one of their
songs says, painted it all black and,

1686
02:39:35.760 --> 02:39:41.200
evidently, spoke more about urban dissatisfaction, especially from the fourth album that

1687
02:39:41.280 --> 02:39:48.760
has this track. They actually come
in to do the spokesman for what we

1688
02:39:48.280 --> 02:39:56.120
might call a recently nihilistic message,
a book with a hedonistic passion for trying

1689
02:39:56.239 --> 02:40:01.840
to aspire from life to the last, only the way I saw the path

1690
02:40:01.120 --> 02:40:09.920
really that seems to dedicate the philosophy
of the Rolling Claro Spons Rollings we still

1691
02:40:11.040 --> 02:40:13.760
see them there as well as the
Beatles, as they have been diluting.

1692
02:40:16.280 --> 02:40:20.399
There are still some survivors left,
but the Rollings already see them there with

1693
02:40:20.479 --> 02:40:24.959
almost a hundred years playing still.
That' s the amazing thing. Claro

1694
02:40:24.479 --> 02:40:28.719
inaugurated a kind of rock gerontocracy.
No yes, with which talking about youthful

1695
02:40:28.799 --> 02:40:35.760
music is at least paradoxical when we
talk about people sixty years, which is

1696
02:40:35.920 --> 02:40:41.440
the age they are now to average
the Rolling Stones. It is really amazing

1697
02:40:41.719 --> 02:40:45.399
how they are maintained and who has
ever seen that, despite the years,

1698
02:40:45.719 --> 02:40:50.120
they are still in excellent physical condition, despite always what has been said of

1699
02:40:50.200 --> 02:40:58.559
the absolutely Indian life they should have. I wasn' t supposed to do

1700
02:40:58.799 --> 02:41:01.760
as much as it looks because of
my current condition. There is a lot

1701
02:41:01.879 --> 02:41:05.200
of pose, of course, in
the rollings, as we see in other

1702
02:41:05.680 --> 02:41:09.440
rock groups, in the image of
bad rebel children. You don' t

1703
02:41:09.520 --> 02:41:11.280
agree with reality. While you have
heard once in an interview with Jagger,

1704
02:41:11.719 --> 02:41:18.040
for example, you will observe English
educated to manners, which has absolutely correct

1705
02:41:18.200 --> 02:41:26.559
the education of someone who has been
totally conformed to the traditional elitist model of

1706
02:41:26.280 --> 02:41:31.920
British education. But the image they
give clear was quite the opposite, the

1707
02:41:33.040 --> 02:41:39.479
image of rebellious and very rude boys. I don' t think it corresponds

1708
02:41:39.559 --> 02:41:43.879
to reality enough. Yes, well, I think that, for example,

1709
02:41:43.600 --> 02:41:54.159
the title more than pejorative his satanic
majesty, is a transgressive attempt against conventional

1710
02:41:54.280 --> 02:42:00.920
and religious culture. True, Yes, the title that actually comes from the

1711
02:42:01.000 --> 02:42:05.000
famous ten- end song of the
sixties, which is called sympathy for the

1712
02:42:05.120 --> 02:42:11.520
devil, is really inspired not by
the devil the biblical character, but by

1713
02:42:11.719 --> 02:42:13.319
the work, on the one hand, of William Blake and, above all,

1714
02:42:13.559 --> 02:42:20.200
a novel by a Russian writer named
Michael Bulgakov, is called The Master

1715
02:42:20.280 --> 02:42:24.680
and Margarita. The book was given
to Jagger by a friend and companion of

1716
02:42:24.799 --> 02:42:31.040
his, recently deceased, the Swedish
Anita Pallenberg. She gave him this book

1717
02:42:31.159 --> 02:42:37.799
and fascinated by the story that tells
of how he would see the story of

1718
02:42:37.200 --> 02:42:41.920
the Gospel, the devil who was
in a park in St Petersburg, the

1719
02:42:41.959 --> 02:42:46.479
character of the novel is how he
thinks, what the world would be like

1720
02:42:48.159 --> 02:42:52.200
from the point of view of the
devil, understood as the person without an

1721
02:42:52.200 --> 02:42:56.120
arrogant rebel norm. This is the
devil of the Stones song that then his

1722
02:42:56.879 --> 02:43:03.239
recording even recorded. In it there
is a whole film of the new wave

1723
02:43:03.360 --> 02:43:09.760
of French goutf cinema is recorded how
it was finally recorded from song that mythology

1724
02:43:09.879 --> 02:43:18.200
has often wanted to see as recorded
in the midst of boudou rituals and magical

1725
02:43:18.319 --> 02:43:24.120
ceremonies, but that was recorded as
coadquier another song and of course, the

1726
02:43:24.120 --> 02:43:30.399
devil seems more to represent the normal
rebellious n character of the figure than in

1727
02:43:30.479 --> 02:43:37.559
the Bible we know by that name. And we got to the Irish group

1728
02:43:37.559 --> 02:43:41.559
U two, well we could go
through others. Of course it is to

1729
02:43:41.680 --> 02:43:46.959
make intermediate scales and to see evolution
a little more in detail, but time

1730
02:43:48.040 --> 02:43:50.840
does not allow it. But we
came to one of the most emblematic groups

1731
02:43:52.000 --> 02:43:58.479
with intelligent music, supportive music,
and also reflective music about the transcendent Group

1732
02:43:58.559 --> 02:44:05.600
Two. What difference can we find
between the Rollins, the Beatles and Group

1733
02:44:05.760 --> 02:44:11.760
Two, as two or Utsu,
as it is called in English, which

1734
02:44:11.840 --> 02:44:18.440
is a pun between the name of
the well- known Budos plane with the

1735
02:44:18.520 --> 02:44:22.959
expression you also uttered one would do
exactly the same in English. It is

1736
02:44:22.000 --> 02:44:31.360
a group born of young people converted
into a Christian community from the charismatic renewal

1737
02:44:31.479 --> 02:44:35.520
that took place in Dublin in the
eighties, formed by a former missionary of

1738
02:44:35.639 --> 02:44:39.680
origin in China, greatly inspired by
the work of Watchman Ne who called Salon.

1739
02:44:39.799 --> 02:44:45.479
The community no longer exists, but
lived the real conversion of hundreds of

1740
02:44:45.559 --> 02:44:50.159
young people and particularly in the school
where they all studied. It is the

1741
02:44:50.239 --> 02:44:56.239
only non- Catholic school in a
neighborhood of Bublin where many English people live,

1742
02:44:56.799 --> 02:45:00.280
galletes, person you have come from
Britain that does not belong to so

1743
02:45:00.360 --> 02:45:05.920
many Catholic editions. The case of
Itsu' s singer, leader and charismatic

1744
02:45:05.600 --> 02:45:09.520
voice is the son, on the
one hand, of a Catholic and an

1745
02:45:09.959 --> 02:45:15.079
Anglican mother. I mean, he
comes from the two religious cultures that make

1746
02:45:15.200 --> 02:45:20.879
up irandas, but he attended the
episcopal church, which is what is called

1747
02:45:20.920 --> 02:45:26.879
wool in Ireland. He has a
Bible education and has been fascinated, as

1748
02:45:26.879 --> 02:45:31.360
shown in a recent video, by
psalms, always psalms, which he learned

1749
02:45:31.600 --> 02:45:37.200
as a child in church and also
in Bible studies at school itself. In

1750
02:45:37.319 --> 02:45:43.799
outside of teaching hours, he became
familiar with writing. The faith experience of

1751
02:45:43.920 --> 02:45:48.200
God’ s spirit in this community
was certainly genuine. What happens is that

1752
02:45:48.239 --> 02:45:54.280
the tensions that took place that root
of prophetic messages that were inside the community,

1753
02:45:54.479 --> 02:45:58.559
that called them to leave the music
and put them in the diction,

1754
02:45:58.760 --> 02:46:05.440
is indistinguishable to choose to be the
figures that have become or finally leave the

1755
02:46:05.799 --> 02:46:11.639
music. One of them is guitarist
Djage, who is the Welsh gene Evans.

1756
02:46:11.840 --> 02:46:16.040
He even left the music for a
while. It is the only time

1757
02:46:16.120 --> 02:46:20.799
that the band was about to break
for a considerable period of time, precisely

1758
02:46:20.920 --> 02:46:26.399
because of the faith of this guitarist, who thought that, by means of

1759
02:46:26.440 --> 02:46:30.879
a prophetic message, God asked him
to leave the music, because he had

1760
02:46:30.959 --> 02:46:33.360
become an idol in a god for
him. That' s how he understood

1761
02:46:33.360 --> 02:46:39.120
it. Finally, they understood their
vocation differently and thought, as Bo has

1762
02:46:39.239 --> 02:46:43.239
said many times, that if God
had given them those gifts, it would

1763
02:46:43.280 --> 02:46:46.680
be for them to use. So, for the sake of music, at

1764
02:46:46.680 --> 02:46:50.879
least they' ve been on it. Another thing is how Joseph will have

1765
02:46:50.159 --> 02:46:58.680
affected them spiritually, what musical and
social influence they have exercised in general,

1766
02:46:58.879 --> 02:47:03.879
how you would define it vis in
their time and even today, the Rollings

1767
02:47:05.319 --> 02:47:07.959
and Group Two in the masses,
especially in the youth of each of their

1768
02:47:09.040 --> 02:47:16.319
epochs. The influence in this sense, because it is much more positive,

1769
02:47:16.879 --> 02:47:22.040
clear in the clearly solidarity messages,
as you have said very well, of

1770
02:47:22.120 --> 02:47:33.200
its linked to many humanitarian causes,
but we really see that they belong to

1771
02:47:33.280 --> 02:47:39.680
different generations in some way, and
the disc of the rock culture that personifies

1772
02:47:39.719 --> 02:47:43.959
the lycees of the spongs and that
in a certain way, because it has

1773
02:47:43.959 --> 02:47:48.760
helped to give the alternative. I
think it is spiritual to all good caramba,

1774
02:47:48.799 --> 02:47:54.360
because this is the influence of these
musical groups and this is their message.

1775
02:47:56.600 --> 02:48:01.239
The truth is that you still could
have had a new job coming up.

1776
02:48:01.840 --> 02:48:07.120
True yes, indeed, it seems
at last that there is a recording

1777
02:48:07.120 --> 02:48:11.079
that will be like a second part
of this more autobiographical album that they had

1778
02:48:11.079 --> 02:48:13.319
just made, if it is a
record that returns to the origins. In

1779
02:48:13.479 --> 02:48:20.440
these songs we find all the songs
that marked this teenage age. It was

1780
02:48:20.600 --> 02:48:24.079
included clearly his experience wishes the one
that refers to the songs violence that certainly

1781
02:48:24.159 --> 02:48:31.600
lived very dramatically in this case,
since the famous explosion of Ani Skillen was

1782
02:48:33.799 --> 02:48:39.040
very good related to her, since
it was present at that time. And

1783
02:48:39.600 --> 02:48:43.319
the mother figure. You have to
realize that, different members of jitsu are

1784
02:48:43.600 --> 02:48:48.159
orphans, that is, they lost
one of their parents at a very early

1785
02:48:48.520 --> 02:48:54.479
age as children. So this has
also given a particular character always the sensitivity

1786
02:48:54.639 --> 02:49:01.000
of them that differentiates it from others
in some strange way that orphanhood always accompanies

1787
02:49:01.040 --> 02:49:05.639
you, and the theme of Bono' s mother appears an exertraordinary in the

1788
02:49:05.680 --> 02:49:09.520
last album, in which tells him
a song and returns the shadow of a

1789
02:49:09.639 --> 02:49:13.719
disease and desolation that, without doubt
good what young teenager like everyone who has

1790
02:49:13.840 --> 02:49:20.920
lost someone as special as it is
of his parents? Of course, of

1791
02:49:20.920 --> 02:49:28.719
course, well, ladies and gentlemen, there is that explanation of the musical

1792
02:49:28.200 --> 02:49:37.040
and, of course, social influence
exercised by music. That influence, usually

1793
02:49:37.239 --> 02:49:43.920
benign at times debatable. Evidently,
yesterday' s and today' s music

1794
02:49:45.000 --> 02:49:48.600
were watching a classical concert, the
concerto de alcún ser de la reforma.

1795
02:49:48.680 --> 02:49:54.719
Here was a chamber orchestra by Maria
Vodker, who was magnificent. It'

1796
02:49:54.879 --> 02:49:56.719
s another music, it' s
another time. But, of course,

1797
02:49:56.799 --> 02:50:01.680
this music, because, obviously,
it connects with the new consciousness, with

1798
02:50:01.799 --> 02:50:09.000
the new society, with a new
youth, a new youth stream and the

1799
02:50:09.239 --> 02:50:13.920
truth that we have to be aware
of. Right. Joseph, yes,

1800
02:50:13.079 --> 02:50:18.479
I believe that many times with some
believers there is a bit of gesture.

1801
02:50:18.520 --> 02:50:22.079
It is of God or of the
devil of human things and as all mankind

1802
02:50:22.159 --> 02:50:26.959
is marked by sin, on the
one hand, by confusion and ignorance,

1803
02:50:26.079 --> 02:50:31.200
there are ideas that are not correct
and also, with no place to be

1804
02:50:31.319 --> 02:50:37.840
freed by a certain spiritual influence.
But we have to see music as what

1805
02:50:37.920 --> 02:50:41.040
is a creation of the human being
and therefore it is neither diabolical nor angelic.

1806
02:50:43.120 --> 02:50:48.600
He really has the contradictions that exist
in each of us, because the

1807
02:50:48.680 --> 02:50:52.200
clear human being has a problem for
him. The only answer is in God.

1808
02:50:52.360 --> 02:50:56.079
It is not in any music,
nor in any creation or human invention,

1809
02:50:56.639 --> 02:51:00.959
but in the gospel that shows us
how he is the answer to our

1810
02:51:01.079 --> 02:51:05.840
problem in Christ Jesus? This is
Christ Jesus, it is our destiny and

1811
02:51:07.319 --> 02:51:11.799
it is our aspiration, in any
case and in anything that we can enjoy

1812
02:51:11.840 --> 02:51:15.680
what surrounds us with good music,
good times, good books, good friends

1813
02:51:15.799 --> 02:51:20.159
and so many things that are so
positive and so edifying for our lives.

1814
02:51:22.959 --> 02:51:28.200
Dear Joseph, I am very grateful
that you have been with us this short

1815
02:51:28.200 --> 02:51:33.159
time dear friend, always delighted to
be on your train, come a brozas

1816
02:51:33.319 --> 02:51:35.440
and in the best place to reflect
and think about the things that matter.

1817
02:51:35.920 --> 02:51:39.360
That' s right, dear Joseph, a very affectionate embrace until ever,

1818
02:51:39.600 --> 02:55:01.000
until the near consciousness. O Stevens
o u n s O U O s

1819
02:55:45.600 --> 02:56:28.479
s. S. Evangelical churches are
a place of peace and friendship. You

1820
02:56:28.520 --> 02:56:35.040
can freely attend the nearest evangelical church
in your neighborhood or your population. You

1821
02:56:35.040 --> 02:56:35.840
' ll be very welcome.