WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:05.200 This episode may contain content of a graphic nature, including descriptions of physical and 2 00:00:05.240 --> 00:00:10.560 sexual violence against adults, children, and animals. Listener discretion is advised. 3 00:00:12.720 --> 00:00:17.199 Hi everyone, I'm Talia and I'm Tanya, and together we are Crimes and 4 00:00:17.239 --> 00:00:38.600 Consequences, a true crime podcast. Hi everyone, I'm Talia and I'm Tanya, 5 00:00:38.920 --> 00:00:44.359 and together we are Crimes and Consequences. We are two attorneys and friends 6 00:00:45.439 --> 00:00:50.240 and love true crime. Yes, I'm talking about it and dissecting it and 7 00:00:50.320 --> 00:00:54.759 dissecting it and then talking about it, freaking out about it and then sharing 8 00:00:54.799 --> 00:00:58.880 it with you guys. Yes, So today I'm going to tell a story. 9 00:00:59.320 --> 00:01:03.119 And I know a lot of people complained I talk slow, so I'm 10 00:01:03.119 --> 00:01:07.280 gonna talk really fast this time. Right, bookle up, bookle Up. 11 00:01:07.760 --> 00:01:11.120 This one was suggested by our Patreon And for those that don't know, we 12 00:01:11.159 --> 00:01:15.200 have a patrion account. It's Patreon dot com and then it's the letters T 13 00:01:15.599 --> 00:01:23.200 N T and then crimes dot com. And she is a subscriber, Thank 14 00:01:23.239 --> 00:01:26.599 you, Kelly A. And she suggested this story. All right, this 15 00:01:26.799 --> 00:01:30.680 story is a bit of a roller coaster and it's very controversial. Okay, 16 00:01:32.079 --> 00:01:37.159 you don't know it. I don't know it. So the location is in 17 00:01:37.280 --> 00:01:42.480 Lubeck, Germany, and Lubik is close to Hamburg. There are several like 18 00:01:42.640 --> 00:01:49.239 medieval buildings and spires and lubig. Oh it sounds beautiful, right. And 19 00:01:49.560 --> 00:01:56.560 the story mainly involves Marianne Bachmeyer. And I'm going to give you some background 20 00:01:56.560 --> 00:02:00.439 on Marianne Bachmeyer. She was born June third, nineteen fifty in star Set, 21 00:02:00.719 --> 00:02:09.719 star Set, Germany. Marianne grew up there and her family had fled 22 00:02:10.240 --> 00:02:15.919 from the Second World War. They were from East Prussia at the time. 23 00:02:16.719 --> 00:02:23.759 She was raised in a very conservative and religious home. Her father had been 24 00:02:23.800 --> 00:02:30.879 a member of the Waffen ss OH, the combat portion of the Nazis ss 25 00:02:30.039 --> 00:02:34.879 unit. I'm sorry, you're right, Yeah, I don't have to apologize 26 00:02:34.919 --> 00:02:43.439 for coughing. He was your stereotypical German father, this thirty figure that demanded 27 00:02:43.479 --> 00:02:47.879 respect. He became a very heavy drinker and spent most of his time at 28 00:02:47.879 --> 00:02:55.319 a bar very close to their home. His constant drinking only made him more 29 00:02:55.360 --> 00:02:59.639 aggressive. Yeah, meaner. He wasn't a fun he wasn't a fun drunk. 30 00:02:59.680 --> 00:03:00.639 But if he spending a lot of time at the bar, like stay 31 00:03:00.639 --> 00:03:04.560 there, you're not terrorizing your family, right, But he would come home 32 00:03:04.639 --> 00:03:09.840 and he would be very aggressive. Her parents eventually divorced, and Marianne's mother 33 00:03:10.199 --> 00:03:17.400 moved in and remarried a guy named Paul. She did not really like Paul, 34 00:03:19.159 --> 00:03:23.520 and she's in her early teens. She called him uncle pauw and he 35 00:03:23.599 --> 00:03:27.280 wanted her to call her papa. Oh okay, but she did. She 36 00:03:27.319 --> 00:03:34.240 wouldn't do it. She believed he was too dictorial too Oh another stern one. 37 00:03:34.439 --> 00:03:37.560 But she's also a teenage girl. Yeah that's true. Right, So 38 00:03:38.400 --> 00:03:42.520 there's a lot of conflict in the household, and Marianne was perceived as a 39 00:03:42.719 --> 00:03:46.840 troubled child. Her mother eventually kicked her out of the house because it was 40 00:03:46.879 --> 00:03:54.039 causing like the tension between her and uncle Paul, where it was causing all 41 00:03:54.039 --> 00:03:59.680 these problems. But her mom secretly paid for her to have an apartment and 42 00:03:59.680 --> 00:04:04.039 didn't tell Paul. Didn't tell Paul, her husband. I mean, she 43 00:04:04.039 --> 00:04:08.120 didn't want to just kick her out, right. I was gonna say, 44 00:04:08.319 --> 00:04:12.319 geez, you just kick your kid out? Yeah, okay, she has 45 00:04:12.360 --> 00:04:15.560 some redemption in my eyes then, yes. So in nineteen sixty six, 46 00:04:15.920 --> 00:04:21.000 at the age of sixteen, Marianne became pregnant, she was still going to 47 00:04:21.040 --> 00:04:25.839 school, which I got to give her credit for. She continued her education. 48 00:04:27.279 --> 00:04:32.079 She didn't have any income coming in right, and she's only secretly getting 49 00:04:32.759 --> 00:04:40.240 her apartment paid by her mom. And Paul did eventually find out, so 50 00:04:40.279 --> 00:04:45.720 she gave this baby girl up for adoption. She continued to go to high 51 00:04:45.759 --> 00:04:49.360 school. I'm not sure where she lived. I just know that Paul found 52 00:04:49.360 --> 00:04:56.000 out at some point and ended that. Two years later, she became pregnant 53 00:04:56.120 --> 00:05:02.680 again with her boyfriend from high school she was attending now when she was about 54 00:05:02.720 --> 00:05:10.000 eight months pregnant. I'm not sure how far along. I read something that 55 00:05:10.000 --> 00:05:12.920 said eight months. It could have been earlier. She was at a disco. 56 00:05:13.360 --> 00:05:16.839 Oh good for her. So it makes me wonder if she was actually 57 00:05:16.879 --> 00:05:23.720 eight months pregnant and a man raped her. It's actually assaulted her. She 58 00:05:24.000 --> 00:05:27.319 called the police, he was arrested, and he was charged and convicted. 59 00:05:27.959 --> 00:05:32.439 But this gave her a lot of trauma, and she's already on her own 60 00:05:32.720 --> 00:05:42.399 right right pregnant, so she decides to place her second child up for adoption, 61 00:05:42.879 --> 00:05:48.399 and the baby's father, her ex now boyfriend from high school. A 62 00:05:48.480 --> 00:05:55.040 baby's father, and mother adopted that baby. Okay, okay, the grandparents, 63 00:05:55.160 --> 00:06:00.360 the grandparents, thank you. Now, Marianne did end up graduating from 64 00:06:00.439 --> 00:06:04.759 high school and she got a job at a bar called to Passa. She 65 00:06:04.839 --> 00:06:10.199 worked there and she was really good. People liked her. She kind of 66 00:06:10.199 --> 00:06:15.439 worked her way up into a bartender position instead of just being a server. 67 00:06:15.800 --> 00:06:21.399 In nineteen seventy two, Marianne began dating the manager of the pub, his 68 00:06:21.480 --> 00:06:27.319 name was Christian. At the age of twenty two, she became pregnant with 69 00:06:27.360 --> 00:06:31.000 a third child, her third child. Now, she had a stable income 70 00:06:31.319 --> 00:06:36.839 and she lived above to Passa. Like in a room you can run, 71 00:06:36.920 --> 00:06:41.759 you know what I mean. So she had a home, she had some 72 00:06:41.879 --> 00:06:47.199 money, and she said, I'm going to keep this baby. Christian was 73 00:06:47.240 --> 00:06:54.839 like, I'm I'm not really ready for all this. So basically she said 74 00:06:54.959 --> 00:06:59.639 I will raise the baby on my own. But he did end up being 75 00:06:59.680 --> 00:07:03.800 a part of the child's life. But the main focus of the little girl, 76 00:07:03.879 --> 00:07:10.959 her name was Anna, was Marianne. That was her primary parent. 77 00:07:13.000 --> 00:07:16.759 Now, on November fourteenth, nineteen seventy two, that's the day that Anna 78 00:07:16.879 --> 00:07:23.319 was born, Marianne got sterilized. She's like, no more kids, I'm 79 00:07:23.360 --> 00:07:30.360 gone. Yeah, I'm good, and she, as I said, was 80 00:07:30.439 --> 00:07:41.199 raising Anna. She said that she liked living above the where she worked because 81 00:07:41.319 --> 00:07:44.639 I mean, obviously, as Anna got a little older, she could just 82 00:07:44.680 --> 00:07:47.959 go and check on her, so it saved her money with childcare and the 83 00:07:48.040 --> 00:07:51.720 stuff. And as Anna got older, Anna would come to the bar and 84 00:07:51.759 --> 00:07:57.560 hang out with her mom. Her mom's working, you know. Yeah, 85 00:07:57.600 --> 00:08:03.959 And by the time Anna was seven, Marianne how it worked was she would 86 00:08:05.000 --> 00:08:07.319 work very late. I mean, you just got to close the bar. 87 00:08:07.439 --> 00:08:13.920 Oh yeah, so she's getting upstairs like I don't know, three whatever, 88 00:08:13.319 --> 00:08:16.040 whatever time. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know what closing time 89 00:08:16.120 --> 00:08:18.839 is in Germany. I don't even know if it closes in Germany. Sure 90 00:08:18.879 --> 00:08:24.160 it's late, it's late. They were. It was described in multiple articles 91 00:08:24.199 --> 00:08:28.800 as being very late into the night into the early morning. So when Anna 92 00:08:28.920 --> 00:08:37.720 was seven, she would often be left alone during the day because Marianne was 93 00:08:37.799 --> 00:08:43.159 sleeping. You know, she gotta she's gotta sleep, right. Often Anna 94 00:08:43.200 --> 00:08:50.480 would just go outside and play with the neighborhood children unsupervised, and Marianne knew 95 00:08:50.480 --> 00:08:58.519 it was an unconventional lifestyle that she had, you know, living above a 96 00:08:58.559 --> 00:09:01.960 bar. Her daughter's alive, on her own, but then her daughter's very 97 00:09:01.000 --> 00:09:05.440 close. If there's a problem or you know, Anna just got to go 98 00:09:05.519 --> 00:09:11.120 right downstairs. And there was a point when it got really hard for Marianne 99 00:09:11.159 --> 00:09:18.919 and she did reach out to a friend about maybe her friend fostering Anna because 100 00:09:18.919 --> 00:09:24.240 she felt like she couldn't give her the supervision that she needed as Anna was 101 00:09:24.279 --> 00:09:33.399 getting older, and Anna was expected to have a lot more responsibility than your 102 00:09:33.440 --> 00:09:37.480 normal seven year old just because yeah, she's home alone. She's home alone, 103 00:09:37.559 --> 00:09:41.559 yeah, right, As I said, she frequently would sleep at the 104 00:09:41.600 --> 00:09:48.679 bar, and after work, Marianne would sometimes stay and like party. You 105 00:09:48.720 --> 00:09:52.039 know how, anybody that's ever worked at a bar, you probably never have. 106 00:09:52.279 --> 00:09:56.960 No, I never have. Well, I have after work drink with 107 00:09:58.080 --> 00:10:03.960 your coworkers. And Marianne went stay and you know, party few, have 108 00:10:03.000 --> 00:10:07.159 a few, have a few, and party, you know, till early 109 00:10:07.240 --> 00:10:16.840 hours. And Anna was described as a vibrant child who had never really had 110 00:10:16.519 --> 00:10:22.919 the normal childhood, but she was happy and open minded and pretty carefree. 111 00:10:24.600 --> 00:10:31.440 She didn't complain. Now. On May eighth of nineteen eighty, Anna had 112 00:10:31.480 --> 00:10:35.440 had an argument with Marianne. It was I think it was actually the night 113 00:10:35.480 --> 00:10:43.840 before May fifth, and The next morning, Marianne was sleeping and Anna always 114 00:10:43.879 --> 00:10:50.799 got herself up and walked to school. This morning, Anna was really mad 115 00:10:50.799 --> 00:10:54.559 at her mom and decided to skip school. What was she like ten? 116 00:10:56.000 --> 00:10:58.480 She's seven? Oh seven? Okay, she's seven. Okay. She went 117 00:10:58.519 --> 00:11:05.080 to a friend's house, but her friend was at school school. Instead of 118 00:11:05.120 --> 00:11:09.559 walking her normal route home, she took the long way because there were witnesses 119 00:11:09.679 --> 00:11:16.840 later that testified that she did. Meanwhile, marian wakes up and she had 120 00:11:16.879 --> 00:11:22.159 this appointment was actually an appointment for a photo shoot. She's very beautiful. 121 00:11:22.360 --> 00:11:26.200 I don't know what the photoshoot was for, but she had an appointment with 122 00:11:26.240 --> 00:11:31.679 a photo shoot. And then she came home. But she'd met with some 123 00:11:31.679 --> 00:11:35.639 friends after the photo shoot. And then she came home, and this was 124 00:11:35.799 --> 00:11:41.440 after Anna should already be home from school. From school, she gets home, 125 00:11:43.679 --> 00:11:48.360 there's no Anna. She went to all of Anna's friends' houses and none 126 00:11:48.399 --> 00:11:54.679 of them had seen her during the day. She ended up like going to 127 00:11:54.679 --> 00:12:00.799 neighbors' houses. Nobody saw her, so she calls the police. She reports 128 00:12:00.840 --> 00:12:07.559 Anna as being missing. Now some reports say on the same day, others 129 00:12:07.600 --> 00:12:13.440 say the next day, but either way, a woman walked into the police 130 00:12:13.480 --> 00:12:22.120 station, claiming her fiance confessed to the abduction and the murder of Anna. 131 00:12:22.200 --> 00:12:30.159 Oh no, and his name was Klaus Rabowski. Klaus, he's thirty five 132 00:12:30.240 --> 00:12:35.559 years old. He was a butcher. Oh great, and he was neighbors 133 00:12:35.600 --> 00:12:43.480 with Marianna Nanna, and he had a horrible criminal history. I'm gonna tell 134 00:12:43.480 --> 00:12:50.360 you a little bit about Klaus Klaus. Yes, thank you. I have 135 00:12:50.399 --> 00:12:54.600 Grabowski, but we'll call him Klaus. Nineteen seventy three, Klaus was placed 136 00:12:54.600 --> 00:12:58.399 on a one year probation after trying to strangle a six year old girl. 137 00:12:58.600 --> 00:13:05.000 Oh lovely, probation one year. How many cases do we have like this? 138 00:13:05.120 --> 00:13:09.679 So many kids, so many cases, Yeah, so many try to 139 00:13:09.799 --> 00:13:13.279 murder. He tried to murder a little girl. He got community service. 140 00:13:13.399 --> 00:13:18.080 Yeah, he got community service, exactly right, Like, okay. He 141 00:13:18.120 --> 00:13:22.919 had multiple offenses on his record for sexual assault against young girls. I mean, 142 00:13:22.960 --> 00:13:28.519 he's a convicted sex offender and he'd been sentenced for these sexual abuse of 143 00:13:28.559 --> 00:13:35.679 two girls. So this is really interesting. He was given a choice. 144 00:13:35.360 --> 00:13:41.639 He could go to a psychiatric hospital where he could stay there until he was 145 00:13:41.720 --> 00:13:50.039 cured. Yeah okay, yeah, whatever indefinitely, or he could become chemically 146 00:13:50.120 --> 00:13:54.919 castrated. Oh well, let me guess which one he picked. He picked 147 00:13:54.960 --> 00:14:00.559 castration, of course, but it's not physical castration, chemicals, chemical. 148 00:14:01.480 --> 00:14:05.720 He's got to be relied upon to take his medication. I guess well, 149 00:14:05.720 --> 00:14:07.279 I'm going to read about it. Yeah, in nineteen seventy six, he 150 00:14:07.360 --> 00:14:15.399 voluntarily submitted to being chemically castrated. But two years later because he got out. 151 00:14:15.679 --> 00:14:18.000 Yeah, of course, and nobody's really watching him, believe it or 152 00:14:18.080 --> 00:14:24.120 not. He underwent hormone treatment to reverse the castration, and I know that 153 00:14:24.240 --> 00:14:30.879 includes testosterone, and the doctor that did the reversal never knew about his criminal 154 00:14:31.519 --> 00:14:35.879 history. Let me tell you a little bit about chemical castration. Okay, 155 00:14:37.039 --> 00:14:39.600 I don't know anything about it. It is the introduction of female hormones into 156 00:14:39.600 --> 00:14:45.879 the male's system in an effort to lower the testosterone levels of male sex offenders. 157 00:14:46.600 --> 00:14:50.240 The drug it's known as MPa and I'm not gonna say I even try 158 00:14:50.279 --> 00:14:56.559 to pronounce it, is often used and known as depo privera. Oh that's 159 00:14:56.559 --> 00:15:03.240 a birth control, yeah, the one the yes. Studies have shown that 160 00:15:03.320 --> 00:15:07.480 twenty five percent of the men who've been chemical castrated are still able to achieve 161 00:15:07.519 --> 00:15:15.480 an erection with even just visual stimulation. Chemical castration has some negative side effects 162 00:15:16.200 --> 00:15:24.120 asiporosis, cardiovascular disease, and impaired glucose in lipid metabolism aka hearts easy blood 163 00:15:24.120 --> 00:15:30.120 sugar and cholesterol problems. Man, really are those I don't know anything about 164 00:15:30.159 --> 00:15:33.480 dapperprop But other than the name of it, does it cause it for women 165 00:15:33.559 --> 00:15:37.399 too? That's kind of crazy? Well probably, I don't know. I 166 00:15:37.399 --> 00:15:43.480 don't know. You're look at m I don't know that. Yeah, those 167 00:15:43.480 --> 00:15:50.480 are crazy side effects. So he had testosterone injections given to him. Now, 168 00:15:50.519 --> 00:15:56.279 as I said earlier, he was engaged and his fiance came into the 169 00:15:56.320 --> 00:16:00.240 police with the story. Imagine your fiance be like, well, you know 170 00:16:00.320 --> 00:16:03.919 what, I abducted and killed the little girl. Hey, honey, I 171 00:16:03.960 --> 00:16:07.440 gotta get something, Ja, I got it. I gotta tell you something. 172 00:16:08.200 --> 00:16:15.960 So they arrested Laus and he confessed. He stated, and you're just 173 00:16:15.039 --> 00:16:18.480 you're gonna hate this guy so much. I'm sure, Well, I already 174 00:16:18.519 --> 00:16:22.480 do. He stated that Anna had stopped by his house and she often did 175 00:16:23.360 --> 00:16:27.279 to play with his cats. Okay, but this was the first time his 176 00:16:27.360 --> 00:16:34.639 fiance wasn't there and he was alone with Anna. Oh Anna played with the 177 00:16:34.639 --> 00:16:45.200 cats for a few minutes and then house attacked her. But he stated he 178 00:16:45.279 --> 00:16:49.320 didn't intend to sexually abuse Anna. Sure, okay, sure, you want 179 00:16:49.320 --> 00:16:52.960 to know what he said? What he said that she tried to seduce him. 180 00:16:53.320 --> 00:17:00.360 I was just gonna say she wanted it right, seven years old and 181 00:17:00.440 --> 00:17:07.039 when he didn't fall for her seduction. Okay, she said that she would 182 00:17:07.079 --> 00:17:11.400 tell her mom that he'd touched her inappropriately if he didn't give her money. 183 00:17:11.519 --> 00:17:15.920 Oh so now she's blackmailing him, she's extraor blackmailing. Yeah, okay. 184 00:17:17.359 --> 00:17:21.000 He was so afraid he would end up going back to prison that he had 185 00:17:21.039 --> 00:17:22.799 no choice. But he had no choice to kill her. He had no 186 00:17:22.880 --> 00:17:26.400 choice, would sexually assault her and then kill her? Right? Yeah? 187 00:17:26.480 --> 00:17:32.799 Yeah, okay yeah. He would later claim that he acted out because of 188 00:17:32.839 --> 00:17:41.799 his hormonal imbalance. This is what he stated in court after being castrated. 189 00:17:42.559 --> 00:17:51.440 According to reports and his own confession, he kept Anna for several hours. 190 00:17:52.240 --> 00:17:59.160 Oh man, he never admitted to sexually assaulting her. But but I'm gonna 191 00:17:59.160 --> 00:18:00.680 say he did because he's had a file. Yes, we're gonna say he 192 00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:06.480 did. He then strangled her with a pair of his fiance's tights, Her 193 00:18:06.559 --> 00:18:14.039 panios and then he tied her tight packed her into a cardboard box, and 194 00:18:14.079 --> 00:18:18.079 then threw her on a canal bank in a little bit of a shallow grave. 195 00:18:21.440 --> 00:18:26.799 When Marianne found out, oh yeah, she was broken, I mean 196 00:18:26.839 --> 00:18:30.480 she broke down. She refused to go to the morgue to identify Anna, 197 00:18:32.039 --> 00:18:36.119 and she wouldn't leave her house for days at a time. She blamed herself, 198 00:18:37.039 --> 00:18:40.799 thinking if I just hadn't gotten into a fight with Anna, she would 199 00:18:40.839 --> 00:18:45.400 have went to school as usual and none of this would have happened. It 200 00:18:45.440 --> 00:18:52.880 took ten months after Anna's death for Klaus, his child, to begin his 201 00:18:52.960 --> 00:19:00.880 defense again. Was this hormonal imbalance because of this castration and also because of 202 00:19:00.920 --> 00:19:08.039 the reversal of it. At trial, he testified to Anna's last few minutes 203 00:19:08.519 --> 00:19:15.000 alive. He said she was on a chair, she was struggling, she 204 00:19:15.079 --> 00:19:19.759 was fighting for her survival. He watched her take her last breath, and 205 00:19:19.799 --> 00:19:26.359 then he stared at her for a few minutes before putting her in the cardboard 206 00:19:26.400 --> 00:19:33.480 box and dumping her at the canal. Marian was beside herself, oh, 207 00:19:33.640 --> 00:19:40.079 devastated with anger and grief. On March sixth, nineteen eighty one, this 208 00:19:40.119 --> 00:19:45.799 is the third day of his trial. Marian had sat through the first two 209 00:19:47.640 --> 00:19:52.720 but she wasn't just going to sit through day three. She couldn't take any 210 00:19:52.759 --> 00:20:02.440 more of her daughter being accused of seducing him and all all these horrific things, 211 00:20:02.480 --> 00:20:08.799 blaming Anna, blaming everybody but himself. She walked into the traial and 212 00:20:08.880 --> 00:20:14.599 we have pictures of it, and she was wearing a trench coat. She 213 00:20:14.640 --> 00:20:22.720 smuggled a baretta pistol into the courtroom at the Blue Back District Court. While 214 00:20:22.759 --> 00:20:26.000 walking in the courtroom, she had her hands in her trench coat pockets. 215 00:20:26.759 --> 00:20:33.039 She walked into the courtroom and she goes from the doors directly to the front 216 00:20:33.079 --> 00:20:37.519 of the courtroom, towards the seat where Klaus was sitting. Marianne pulled out 217 00:20:37.519 --> 00:20:44.440 a gun, aimed it at his back, and pulled the trigger eight times, 218 00:20:44.799 --> 00:20:49.240 what yelling pig, oh damn as she shot him, did all eight 219 00:20:49.920 --> 00:20:56.799 seven seven? Hit them? Good for her? Sorry? He died instantly. 220 00:20:57.720 --> 00:21:03.240 Fuck her. When she was done shooting him, she lured the gun 221 00:21:03.519 --> 00:21:08.880 and was like, you know the resistance from her, Maryann stated, he 222 00:21:10.279 --> 00:21:12.519 this is quote, he killed my daughter. I wanted to shoot him in 223 00:21:12.559 --> 00:21:15.759 the face, but I shot him in the back. I hope he's dead. 224 00:21:18.759 --> 00:21:22.079 Then, according to Marianne, she had initially gotten the gun a week 225 00:21:22.279 --> 00:21:27.240 prior with the intention of committing suicide. So she's starting to build her defense 226 00:21:27.319 --> 00:21:37.359 because she's arrested. She's arrested, but other people at the bar would later 227 00:21:37.440 --> 00:21:42.799 testify that in the basement she was doing target practice, oh, which is 228 00:21:44.000 --> 00:21:47.400 not what you do when you're when you want to kill yourself. No. 229 00:21:47.400 --> 00:21:52.920 No, many of the public showed an understanding like you just apparently did, 230 00:21:53.160 --> 00:21:59.319 of Marianne's actions, and she became known as the vigil Anti mother in West 231 00:21:59.319 --> 00:22:03.759 Germany because it's still West Germany now. A lot of people judged her because 232 00:22:03.799 --> 00:22:10.599 she sold her life story for about two hundred and fifty thousand dutchmarks, which 233 00:22:10.640 --> 00:22:15.680 is about two hundred and seventy one seventy two thousand dollars in the US and 234 00:22:15.759 --> 00:22:19.000 right now would be worth nine hundred and twenty two thousands, so a lot 235 00:22:19.039 --> 00:22:26.000 of money back then. But she sold it to her story to this magazine 236 00:22:26.039 --> 00:22:30.960 called Stern, and she use all that money to fund her legal battles because 237 00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:34.839 she's there only you know, it's many people sent her messages, flowers, 238 00:22:36.079 --> 00:22:41.279 gifts while she was in custody to show they understood her actions, and a 239 00:22:41.319 --> 00:22:47.519 lot of people, like I said, they supported her. After her life 240 00:22:47.559 --> 00:22:52.200 story was made public in Stern, some people stopped supporting her because they were 241 00:22:52.279 --> 00:22:56.480 upset because she gave up two kids for adoption, which is no reason, 242 00:22:56.720 --> 00:23:03.279 no for anybody to be judged because option was beautiful. And they also didn't, 243 00:23:03.519 --> 00:23:07.839 you know, like the fact that her dad was a Nazi soldier. 244 00:23:07.400 --> 00:23:12.839 Well, she can't help that. I mean really just telling you, I 245 00:23:12.880 --> 00:23:18.799 know, she couldn't help that. So there was this division in Germany. 246 00:23:18.839 --> 00:23:29.640 But either way, Marion was just crushed and heartbroken. The West German judiciary 247 00:23:29.759 --> 00:23:38.519 was criticized by allowed like allowing Klaus to be chemically castrated, but not checking 248 00:23:38.559 --> 00:23:44.039 on him because it's chemical, it's going to go away. I mean at 249 00:23:44.039 --> 00:23:48.519 some point, yeah, he should have been like on like parole or something 250 00:23:48.519 --> 00:23:52.880 where he had to check in, right, yeah and yeah, yeah, 251 00:23:52.079 --> 00:24:00.680 or probation or something. So Marian goes to trial November second, nineteen eighty 252 00:24:00.680 --> 00:24:06.799 two. She was initially charged with murder. The Presscutters later dismissed that in 253 00:24:06.920 --> 00:24:11.720 charge of with the man's slaughter okay, not premeditated murder, probably like heat 254 00:24:11.720 --> 00:24:15.880 of passion man slaughter right even though she brought it, even though she bought 255 00:24:15.920 --> 00:24:22.319 a gun the weak earlier and brought it or Marianne's defense attorneys argued that she 256 00:24:22.359 --> 00:24:26.440 was under severe emotional distress, which was probably true, and wasn't responsible for 257 00:24:26.599 --> 00:24:32.400 actions. For the defense team argued that she had a troubled life and was 258 00:24:32.640 --> 00:24:37.960 unstable. But they, I mean, I'd be fucking unstable too. They 259 00:24:38.039 --> 00:24:42.640 if my neighbor like kidnapped and murdered my child. I mean, but I 260 00:24:42.640 --> 00:24:45.400 mean they had a hard time because she went out and made that statement, 261 00:24:47.200 --> 00:24:49.039 I shot I wanted to shoot him in the face. Oh yeah, that's 262 00:24:49.119 --> 00:24:53.519 right, she did say that, right. Instead I shot him in the 263 00:24:53.519 --> 00:25:00.440 back. He's dead. Yeah. Maryanne testified at her trial that she shot 264 00:25:00.519 --> 00:25:07.240 Klaus and she had had a dream and also visions of her daughter in the 265 00:25:07.279 --> 00:25:12.039 courtroom right before as she's entering it. She had a dream the night before 266 00:25:14.000 --> 00:25:21.160 and that her daughter wanted her to do this, and so for some reason 267 00:25:21.240 --> 00:25:26.680 they wanted a handwriting sample from her, and I could not find out no 268 00:25:26.720 --> 00:25:30.960 matter what I did, why. But she wrote, I did it for 269 00:25:32.000 --> 00:25:36.240 you, Anna, and wrote and made seven hearts for each year of Anna's 270 00:25:36.319 --> 00:25:44.279 life. She doodled some hearts. Prosecutors contended that Marianne acted out of revenge 271 00:25:45.000 --> 00:25:49.079 and was in total command of you know, her faculties at the time. 272 00:25:51.559 --> 00:25:56.640 It took twenty eight days of deliberation. Wow, twenty eight days. Damn 273 00:25:57.400 --> 00:26:03.440 right, Yeah, that's how cool. That's her. They agreed to convict 274 00:26:03.440 --> 00:26:07.640 her of me onslaughter. And what do you think she got? Sense? 275 00:26:10.000 --> 00:26:14.240 I hope she got probation. No, she got six years. Six years 276 00:26:14.319 --> 00:26:19.160 okay, yeah, she was out after three Okay, she's put on probation. 277 00:26:21.319 --> 00:26:26.000 So they did a study in Germany about people's feelings about Marianne. Oh, 278 00:26:26.079 --> 00:26:30.799 I can't wait to hear this. Yeah, it's Allen's Bach Institute did 279 00:26:30.799 --> 00:26:37.799 a survey. Twenty percent of Germans deemed Marion's sentenced to be appropriate, twenty 280 00:26:37.839 --> 00:26:44.400 seven percent thought that the sentence was too extreme, and twenty five percent thought 281 00:26:44.440 --> 00:26:48.720 the sentence was too light. Huh there is a polarizing yes, right, 282 00:26:48.839 --> 00:26:56.680 it's a polarizing issue. Hmm do you how do you feel? Was it 283 00:26:56.720 --> 00:27:00.200 too light? Was it too heavy? Was it just right? Like the 284 00:27:00.720 --> 00:27:08.079 porrige that goldils I think six years it's good. I mean, you got 285 00:27:08.079 --> 00:27:11.960 to have some control, but I don't. It's hard for me to say 286 00:27:11.960 --> 00:27:15.640 because if it happened to me, I know I would do the same thing. 287 00:27:15.880 --> 00:27:18.839 Yeah, you know, I would do the same day. I want 288 00:27:18.880 --> 00:27:23.880 to do the same thing for sure. Being a lawyer being objective seems a 289 00:27:23.880 --> 00:27:26.960 little light. I mean she did, Yeah, she did walk in and 290 00:27:27.319 --> 00:27:30.240 it's premanitated. I mean, yeah, totally, it's premeditated. And she 291 00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:33.319 was out in three years. Yeah. You can't just have people in the 292 00:27:33.319 --> 00:27:37.640 courtroom shoot people. And that's good because we're in the courtroom a lot. 293 00:27:38.359 --> 00:27:44.799 And think about how it affects other people around to see somebody getting shot. 294 00:27:44.920 --> 00:27:47.160 Like, I'd be all, shavee the fucked up, Tanya. Yeah, 295 00:27:47.160 --> 00:27:49.000 I'll shake the fucked up. Yeah, they'd be pretty traumatic. You're right, 296 00:27:51.000 --> 00:27:52.440 but I kind of. But that's why they have metal detective. I 297 00:27:52.440 --> 00:27:56.000 think it was too hard. She didn't have a criminal record, she just 298 00:27:56.039 --> 00:28:02.680 walked in it. Okay, we'll talk about this later, okay, Okay. 299 00:28:02.039 --> 00:28:10.319 I do sympathize with her. So Marianne ended up moving abroad in nineteen 300 00:28:10.359 --> 00:28:17.559 eighty five. She even moved to Lagos, Nigeria, and she got married 301 00:28:18.200 --> 00:28:23.920 and then she they lived in they lived in a German camp, and her 302 00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:30.119 husband was a teacher of I think English at the German school. The two 303 00:28:30.200 --> 00:28:36.000 duck got divorced in nineteen ninety and Marianne moved to Sicily. She found employment 304 00:28:36.200 --> 00:28:41.880 as a hospice. Oh that's merrow. It's going to be a hard job. 305 00:28:41.960 --> 00:28:44.640 That's a hard job. That's hard to give credit to anybody that works 306 00:28:44.680 --> 00:28:51.200 in hospice. I mean. So she's in Sicily and she gets diagnosed with 307 00:28:52.079 --> 00:28:56.759 a creative cancer. Oh, oh, that's a bad one. Yeah. 308 00:28:56.599 --> 00:29:02.319 She moved back to Germany and in nineteen eighty she gave an ninety four sorry, 309 00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:04.559 in nineteen ninety four, thank you, you're welcome correcting me. In 310 00:29:04.640 --> 00:29:10.160 nineteen ninety four, she gave an interview to a German radio program. This 311 00:29:10.400 --> 00:29:15.119 was thirteen years after she'd already she shot and killed Claus. She stay to 312 00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:19.160 quote, I think it's a very big difference if I kill a little girl 313 00:29:19.960 --> 00:29:25.319 because I'm afraid that I'll have to go to prison for my life and then 314 00:29:25.519 --> 00:29:33.319 also the how so that is why I stand behind the girl. I'm sorry, 315 00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:44.440 that is why I stand behind basically my daughter. And she was trying 316 00:29:44.440 --> 00:29:47.240 to explain, I guess what I'm trying to explain. Is that She's like, 317 00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:51.880 there's a little there's a difference between what he did, right, And 318 00:29:51.920 --> 00:29:56.599 I understand that. I understand that, but I think you have to treat 319 00:29:56.640 --> 00:30:02.279 all crimes kind of like like in Christianity, where you have a sin, 320 00:30:02.599 --> 00:30:04.680 like there's no level of sins. A sin is a sin, so a 321 00:30:04.720 --> 00:30:07.079 crime is a crime. I mean you kind of have to treat it that 322 00:30:07.119 --> 00:30:11.319 way. And I get what she's saying, because yeah, it is. 323 00:30:11.920 --> 00:30:15.480 It is different when you're killing a seven year old innocent girl as opposed to 324 00:30:17.160 --> 00:30:22.079 killing her killer. And then she mentioned a statement that Klaus had made, 325 00:30:22.759 --> 00:30:26.160 which is really upsetting. He said, quote, I heard something come out 326 00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:30.279 of her nose. He's talking about Anna. I was fixated that I could 327 00:30:30.319 --> 00:30:36.960 not stand the sight of her body any longer. Yeah, I mean that 328 00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:38.960 would piss me right off. I'm sorry. Yeah, I mean he kind 329 00:30:40.000 --> 00:30:45.240 of deserved it, so yeah. She also released an autobiography around the same 330 00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:52.640 time. She appeared on a talk show I can't pronounce it. She admitted 331 00:30:53.039 --> 00:31:00.079 what she did, and I think was just trying to explain herself to everybody, 332 00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:04.400 and that she couldn't stand the lies about what he was saying about her 333 00:31:04.440 --> 00:31:15.400 little girl Anna. She I ended up having this one show follow her around 334 00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:21.039 during her dying days, and so there's a whole video about it, and 335 00:31:21.079 --> 00:31:26.799 she she literally went on like a tour, Oh wow, to talk about 336 00:31:26.279 --> 00:31:33.599 Vigiliana. Vigiliane, justye Vigilian and rusty Vigiliana, help me out, Vigilant, 337 00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:38.480 thank you. And you can see her face getting thinner and thinner. 338 00:31:38.599 --> 00:31:44.039 She's she's dying, and on September seventh, nineteen seven, nineteen ninety six, 339 00:31:44.079 --> 00:31:48.640 marian died at the age of forty six. Before her death, she 340 00:31:48.920 --> 00:31:55.680 asked an NDR reporter, Lucas Boumar to follow her around, like I said, 341 00:31:56.720 --> 00:32:00.319 And what's really interesting is she got reunited with one of her adopted daughters, 342 00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:07.240 her name was Natasha, and they videotape that Marianna is buried next to 343 00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:15.640 Anna the cemetery. And there's so much information on this case. There's so 344 00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:21.480 many documentaries. One's called Anna's Mother, No Time for Tears, Vigilante, 345 00:32:21.680 --> 00:32:24.640 Justice of a Mother, The Case of Marion Bachmer, the Slow Death of 346 00:32:24.720 --> 00:32:31.799 Marianne Bachmer. These are all like when women kill Marion Backner, you can 347 00:32:31.839 --> 00:32:37.519 Bachmeyer, It's okay. We did talk about this case. We did, 348 00:32:38.759 --> 00:32:43.640 Yeah, we had. We had a Patreon episode where I kind of casually 349 00:32:43.680 --> 00:32:46.119 mentioned it, like we were just bullshitting, Like we did a Patreon episode 350 00:32:46.119 --> 00:32:50.240 where you and I just kind of were talking off the coffin. I had 351 00:32:50.279 --> 00:32:52.400 to kind of seen this story. I didn't get interested in it, Yeah, 352 00:32:52.559 --> 00:32:55.200 like I didn't. I didn't go into it in depth and everything. 353 00:32:55.279 --> 00:33:00.160 But some of her Patrion members may remember listening to that, So I'm glad 354 00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:04.319 you did an episode about it. I don't know what's going on with Klaus. 355 00:33:04.960 --> 00:33:07.480 I think he's probably dead. I hope. So he's out there. 356 00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:13.440 I hate him, I know, causing problems. And no, he's dead. 357 00:33:13.640 --> 00:33:20.240 She killed him. Oh, she killed him, girl, he got 358 00:33:20.319 --> 00:33:25.720 murdered. Why did I go along with it? I'm like, wait a 359 00:33:25.799 --> 00:33:31.759 minute, Oh my gosh. Yeah, everyone is dead. That's the mooring 360 00:33:31.799 --> 00:33:35.519 of the story. What's wrong with you? You can tell he started going 361 00:33:35.559 --> 00:33:40.559 to autopilot right, I'm so sorry? Oh my god, that's that's hilarious. 362 00:33:42.279 --> 00:33:45.519 Sorry, he's dead. We do know what happened to him. I 363 00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:50.440 don't know what happened to me. It's just a buzz. Help me with 364 00:33:50.480 --> 00:33:54.839 it. I did it just took me a second. That was a big 365 00:33:54.920 --> 00:33:58.000 fuck up. I'm like, yeah, I hope he I hope he's you 366 00:33:58.039 --> 00:34:01.920 know, wait a minute, it's not a funny story. No, it's 367 00:34:01.960 --> 00:34:06.119 not. You could tell we've had a long day. I had a brain 368 00:34:06.160 --> 00:34:09.199 fart there, right, Wow. Yeah, sometimes they're just going on that 369 00:34:09.280 --> 00:34:19.079 long COVID you suffered really affected you brain fuck? Oh anyway, anyway, 370 00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:24.880 Well, I'm sorry that she developed cancer so young, and I'm sorry that 371 00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:30.480 she had to go through this, but I'm not sorry that Klaus, that 372 00:34:30.559 --> 00:34:35.400 she blew them away. I mean I kind of I'm kind of here for 373 00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:39.320 it, so I mean, right, I have no comments. He deserved 374 00:34:39.320 --> 00:34:43.920 it, but knows how I feel. Yeah, he deserved it. I'll 375 00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:46.519 say it when you don't want to. Even though, like I said, 376 00:34:46.639 --> 00:34:51.079 there's really no a crime as a crime, and if I was a prosecutor, 377 00:34:51.199 --> 00:34:54.480 I would have prosecuted her. But I get where she's coming from. 378 00:34:54.480 --> 00:34:58.199 I get where she's coming from. Yes, but doesn't make it right. 379 00:34:58.920 --> 00:35:02.119 No, it doesn't make it right anyway. That's why we have rules and 380 00:35:02.199 --> 00:35:07.559 laws in this country, right, I can't have this happen and in Germany 381 00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:10.000 because she didn't do it here she did in Germany. But hopefully our production 382 00:35:10.079 --> 00:35:14.000 team can edit that that. I think they need to leave it in. 383 00:35:14.679 --> 00:35:19.239 I edit it out anyway. This is a very sad story. When we 384 00:35:19.320 --> 00:35:22.239 laugh and stuff, it's not because we think true crime is funny. It's 385 00:35:22.280 --> 00:35:27.159 because we think stupid things like we do and other things that are stupid that 386 00:35:27.239 --> 00:35:30.679 people do are funny. But it is very sad what happen sometimes when it's 387 00:35:30.679 --> 00:35:36.000 a really heavy story. 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