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So what are you 32 00:02:14.159 --> 00:02:19.080 waiting for? Visit Hanger one Publishing dot com today and let the journey begin. 33 00:02:19.319 --> 00:02:22.240 Now. I know what your reporting. I got a strain of going 34 00:02:22.280 --> 00:02:25.199 on here. Something just killing my dog. Something killed your dog, my 35 00:02:25.400 --> 00:02:29.039 dog. We're flying to or over the trade. I don't know how it 36 00:02:29.159 --> 00:02:34.439 did it, okay, dam and I'm really confused. Also, I thought 37 00:02:34.599 --> 00:02:37.159 my dog coming over the fen and they would have did when you hit the 38 00:02:37.159 --> 00:02:57.280 growl entertaining cards. Although I thought it is my dog coming over the fenn. 39 00:02:57.520 --> 00:03:01.800 What are you putting? We gotta some one or something crawling around out 40 00:03:01.840 --> 00:03:12.919 here? Do you see what it was? Danding up. I'm out here 41 00:03:12.919 --> 00:03:15.400 looking through the window now and I don't see anything. I don't want to 42 00:03:15.400 --> 00:03:23.120 go outside. Jesus, point you body, Carol deal, Hello, get 43 00:03:23.199 --> 00:03:25.240 somebody out here. What's point on the outair? That's thought of a bitches 44 00:03:25.319 --> 00:03:29.680 about sixty four nine? I don't know he seeming the outtair. Yes, 45 00:03:29.759 --> 00:03:34.439 I'm looking right here, everybody. This is Less Strong. Yes, yes, 46 00:03:34.639 --> 00:03:38.719 I know aka Surviving Man, and you're listening to Brian sascotch Oddison. 47 00:04:00.080 --> 00:04:03.840 He guys, welcome back to Sasquatch and pis. Thank you so much for 48 00:04:03.879 --> 00:04:06.400 clicking play. It is Sunday. I hope you guys are having a great 49 00:04:06.439 --> 00:04:10.439 weekend. If you have an amazing guest lined up, Billy Button. As 50 00:04:10.520 --> 00:04:14.199 always, I want to start by inviting you. If you've had an encounter 51 00:04:14.199 --> 00:04:15.879 and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email and get 52 00:04:15.879 --> 00:04:18.839 me at Brian at fair enom of World Productions dot com. You can head 53 00:04:18.920 --> 00:04:21.160 up to the website, check it out, become a member there and help 54 00:04:21.199 --> 00:04:25.959 support the show. As I said, we've got a great guest lined up. 55 00:04:26.000 --> 00:04:30.680 We've got ash from Oklahoma and he is here to share some very interesting 56 00:04:30.920 --> 00:04:35.319 bigfoot encounters and some other interesting encounters that he's had along the way. I'll 57 00:04:35.399 --> 00:04:39.560 let ashkin into all of that in just a second. If you would follow 58 00:04:39.639 --> 00:04:43.439 us on Instagram at Sasquatch Odyssey, check us out and follow us on TikTok 59 00:04:43.519 --> 00:04:46.040 at Sasquatch Odyssey podcast, and we'd love to have you join us in the 60 00:04:46.199 --> 00:04:50.439 Sasquatch Odyssey Fans group on Facebook. But that's enough housekeeping. I know you 61 00:04:50.439 --> 00:04:53.879 guys are here for the Encounter store, so I'm gonna stop talking. You 62 00:04:53.920 --> 00:05:15.079 guys, sit back, relax, and enjoy the show. I folks want 63 00:05:15.079 --> 00:05:16.600 to welcome my guests to the show. It is Ash from Oklahoma. Welcome 64 00:05:16.600 --> 00:05:20.439 to the show man. Hey, thanks Brian Great be here. Absolutely, 65 00:05:20.519 --> 00:05:24.079 So let's get right into it. Let's talk about this bigfoot thing. Let's 66 00:05:24.079 --> 00:05:27.639 start with what got you interested in the subject to begin with? Was it 67 00:05:27.720 --> 00:05:30.600 something that was always on your radar? Did it happen after you had some 68 00:05:30.639 --> 00:05:34.000 sort of experience, you know, like everybody else. You know, I 69 00:05:34.040 --> 00:05:39.000 saw all the stuff back in the day with you know, winterd Nimoy and 70 00:05:39.759 --> 00:05:45.360 the Boggy Creek instant off, and for me, I just never really gave 71 00:05:45.360 --> 00:05:49.879 it much credence untill about ten years ago my my uncle said, hey, 72 00:05:49.920 --> 00:05:53.560 man, I got some I got some pictures I want to show you from 73 00:05:53.600 --> 00:05:58.680 the place. And this is my family owns like four sections that this road 74 00:05:58.839 --> 00:06:03.800 goes in between, and did it ends at and it's right on Boggy itself. 75 00:06:03.839 --> 00:06:08.439 So it's a kind of apropos And I'd never. You know, everything 76 00:06:08.480 --> 00:06:13.639 that it ever weird that I'd seen there was all you know, UFO alien 77 00:06:13.720 --> 00:06:16.040 stuff, not Bigfoot at all. I said, all right, man, 78 00:06:16.120 --> 00:06:23.480 yeah, show him to me. And he had very clear trail cam pictures 79 00:06:23.560 --> 00:06:30.240 of like what else it could possibly be? I don't know what everybody describes 80 00:06:30.279 --> 00:06:32.560 as Bigfoot. Where'd you get him? And he told me that he had 81 00:06:32.639 --> 00:06:36.800 you know, E P. Hunts always has, he's a superb outdoorsman, 82 00:06:38.319 --> 00:06:42.839 And he said, you know, I was. I was finding these gear 83 00:06:43.040 --> 00:06:49.439 that were literally ripped apart, not skinned, but like like something held onto 84 00:06:49.480 --> 00:06:56.519 the front legs and ripped the head and spine completely off down the body of 85 00:06:56.600 --> 00:07:01.399 it and just like left the quarter there but all the guts and stuff wire 86 00:07:01.439 --> 00:07:06.000 going. And I was like, that's completely freaking weird. What does that? 87 00:07:06.040 --> 00:07:09.680 And he's like, I don't know. So I put out all these 88 00:07:09.680 --> 00:07:13.560 trail cams to try to see what was roaming around down there, and there 89 00:07:13.600 --> 00:07:19.959 were these pictures of big Foot and shafts of light coming straight down out of 90 00:07:19.959 --> 00:07:26.480 the sky with nothing attached to him, just like you could see the top 91 00:07:26.519 --> 00:07:30.040 of the shaft of light column of light into the ground. You would see 92 00:07:30.120 --> 00:07:33.519 deer looking at the shafts of light, like, where where is that coming 93 00:07:33.560 --> 00:07:38.240 from? And I was like, I have I have no idea, Man, 94 00:07:38.560 --> 00:07:41.920 I have no idea. Do you have any idea? Why he chose 95 00:07:42.160 --> 00:07:46.360 that moment in time to share those with you? Did he think that? 96 00:07:46.439 --> 00:07:50.959 I think, I think because at that well, I'm a scientist. I'm 97 00:07:51.040 --> 00:07:56.519 you know, I'm trained. I've always been a science nerd since I was 98 00:07:56.560 --> 00:08:00.879 a little kid, super precocious. He's like my favorite uncle and I have 99 00:08:00.920 --> 00:08:05.120 a great relationship. You know, we're both bets. We talk about the 100 00:08:05.120 --> 00:08:09.279 wars and you can't really talk to other people who don't have any background in 101 00:08:09.360 --> 00:08:13.279 it, and so he and I've just always been really close and he knows 102 00:08:13.360 --> 00:08:18.040 that I'm really open minded about things that you know, I'm not dogmatic about 103 00:08:18.040 --> 00:08:22.360 science. I look it backed and data and follow it where it goes. 104 00:08:22.399 --> 00:08:24.680 You don't have a preconceived notion of what you're you know, unless you're cherry 105 00:08:24.720 --> 00:08:28.519 picking your data, you don't get to decide where it's going. And I 106 00:08:28.560 --> 00:08:33.159 think that was at that point he had pretty much just been like, this 107 00:08:33.240 --> 00:08:37.200 is what this is. I need somebody else to look at this and tell 108 00:08:37.240 --> 00:08:41.960 me if I'm crazy, and drawing the right conclusions. And so because by 109 00:08:41.399 --> 00:08:48.039 that point he had seen them, He and my aunt both had seen them 110 00:08:48.039 --> 00:08:52.480 outside eyeshine outside their windows at night. They have a patio that's like off 111 00:08:52.559 --> 00:08:56.000 there. It's kind of on the hill over the river bottom. You know, 112 00:08:56.039 --> 00:09:00.840 it's on stilts, off the side of the house. So they're up 113 00:09:00.879 --> 00:09:07.039 off the ground twelve fifteen feet seeing eyeshine that's like level with the bottom of 114 00:09:07.080 --> 00:09:13.039 the deck various height. Individuals like four, probably two adults and two juveniles 115 00:09:13.279 --> 00:09:16.600 at that point. Had heard them calling back and forth to each other across 116 00:09:16.639 --> 00:09:22.240 the river valley, you know, having animals come up missing, just all 117 00:09:22.279 --> 00:09:26.480 that kind of fun stuff like this is weird. What do you think this 118 00:09:26.639 --> 00:09:30.120 is? And I'm like, man, I can't reach a different conclusion than 119 00:09:30.159 --> 00:09:35.200 you. That is that's the only thing I can think that is so other 120 00:09:35.240 --> 00:09:37.759 than the light that you described already, can you sort of describe for me 121 00:09:37.759 --> 00:09:41.000 in the audience what types of pictures you were seeing. What were you seeing 122 00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:46.120 in the pictures, the physical description of what was in the photos. Oh, 123 00:09:45.960 --> 00:09:50.840 okay, so yeah, there would be you would see in one of 124 00:09:50.879 --> 00:09:56.480 them there were three deer kind of standing there eating. Next picture one of 125 00:09:56.519 --> 00:10:01.039 them has heard something behind it and has turned to see what it is, 126 00:10:01.120 --> 00:10:05.440 and you can see eyeshine in the background kind of in the tree line that 127 00:10:05.519 --> 00:10:09.519 you can't tell what it is yet. And then in the next picture that 128 00:10:09.639 --> 00:10:15.000 deer is looking like it's about to run, and there is a large, 129 00:10:15.039 --> 00:10:20.080 probably judging from the tree branches in that spot, about seven and a half 130 00:10:20.120 --> 00:10:26.000 foot tall, bipedal, hairy creature that probably is pushing every bit of seven 131 00:10:26.840 --> 00:10:31.759 hundred and fifty eight hundred pounds approaching the deer that are their mind in their 132 00:10:31.759 --> 00:10:37.000 own business up to that point anyway. And then there were other ones where 133 00:10:37.039 --> 00:10:43.120 there were daylight shots of a tree line with bushes, something standing kind of 134 00:10:43.159 --> 00:10:48.679 hanging out halfway between a tree, where you could see its left shoulder and 135 00:10:48.000 --> 00:10:52.080 arm and hip and leg and part of its head, not the crown of 136 00:10:52.080 --> 00:10:56.120 its head, like part of its face. You could tell that it kind 137 00:10:56.120 --> 00:11:01.440 of had a peaked skull, but how dramatic, you know, you could 138 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:05.720 tell that it wasn't rounded like ours. And there have been oh, probably 139 00:11:05.600 --> 00:11:09.919 three or four other ones that are really close to the camera, so you 140 00:11:09.919 --> 00:11:13.960 can't really tell what it is, but you can tell that it's a hairy, 141 00:11:15.080 --> 00:11:20.840 dark colored shoulder with an arm. Things like that that are partial picks, 142 00:11:20.399 --> 00:11:24.639 but you can see muscle definition in the arm where you're like, that's 143 00:11:24.720 --> 00:11:28.279 not some guy in a costume. In fact, I know a guy who 144 00:11:28.320 --> 00:11:33.919 lives probably five miles from my parents, who tried to make a big foot 145 00:11:33.960 --> 00:11:39.440 costume, and he is a very large individual. Everybody he tried to spoof 146 00:11:41.480 --> 00:11:45.759 could totally tell it was a guy in a costume. Didn't floy anybody, 147 00:11:45.799 --> 00:11:50.960 and he's big enough to play the part. So yeah, anybody who's capable 148 00:11:50.000 --> 00:11:56.080 of making things like that should be in Hollywood making millions of dollars, because 149 00:11:56.080 --> 00:12:00.440 there's yeah to say, there's not a large pool of individuals in these you're 150 00:12:00.440 --> 00:12:03.159 in Oklahoma who can do that. Yeah, And it seems to be the 151 00:12:03.639 --> 00:12:07.720 common thread because every time I've ever seen any type of a video, whether 152 00:12:07.759 --> 00:12:11.759 it's supposed to be somebody trying to hoax something or just saying I don't know 153 00:12:11.799 --> 00:12:16.000 what this is, or whatever the case may be, if it's a person 154 00:12:16.320 --> 00:12:22.600 in a costume, almost without fail. And I'm not a trained bigfoot anything. 155 00:12:22.840 --> 00:12:26.240 I'm a trained observer from my years in law enforcement, obviously, But 156 00:12:26.440 --> 00:12:30.919 immediately your brain automatically goes to that is a dude in a suit? It 157 00:12:30.960 --> 00:12:35.279 just eats right, or just something sticks out. It isn't quite right. 158 00:12:35.360 --> 00:12:39.320 There's something off about it, you know, touched ending videos. You know, 159 00:12:39.519 --> 00:12:43.840 you just know, right, But when you have those moments where you 160 00:12:43.919 --> 00:12:48.399 have that the Patterson Gimblin film comes to mind. You know it could be, 161 00:12:48.600 --> 00:12:52.360 it couldn't be, but it just doesn't look like a suit. So 162 00:12:52.559 --> 00:12:54.480 I guess the other question I wanted to sort of paint the picture for the 163 00:12:54.519 --> 00:12:58.559 audience. I know you said they've got several tracks of land, family land. 164 00:12:58.840 --> 00:13:01.919 Where was this in relation to everything else? Was this a really remote 165 00:13:01.919 --> 00:13:05.960 area? Was it just on the cusp before the house is? Can you 166 00:13:05.000 --> 00:13:07.519 sort of give us a description of where this might be as far as with 167 00:13:07.639 --> 00:13:13.519 a trail camp pictures were coming from. So where that house is, the 168 00:13:13.919 --> 00:13:18.240 houses that sit on it, there's maybe in that four sections, there's about 169 00:13:18.240 --> 00:13:22.080 eight houses they set on about one hundred and sixty acres each, the ones 170 00:13:22.120 --> 00:13:26.480 on that side of the road because it cuts in and then when it gets 171 00:13:26.480 --> 00:13:30.919 to the corner of the section, it cuts down and dead ends at my 172 00:13:31.039 --> 00:13:35.879 great uncle's place. All of those houses on that side set up on the 173 00:13:35.960 --> 00:13:39.960 hill dropping down into the river bottom. So the trail cameras that he set 174 00:13:41.679 --> 00:13:46.840 are probably the closest one is probably two three hundred yards from the house. 175 00:13:46.320 --> 00:13:50.720 But in relation to these other houses, I mean, they're all like a 176 00:13:50.799 --> 00:13:54.240 quarter of a mile apart. Where this is in relation to the nearest town 177 00:13:54.120 --> 00:14:01.919 is it's out there. Man. You left a paved road like twelve miles 178 00:14:01.960 --> 00:14:07.679 ago, and that paved road was just a cut through between a highway and 179 00:14:07.759 --> 00:14:15.240 a county road that's miles away. Like it's not going anywhere, it's just 180 00:14:15.240 --> 00:14:18.519 a cut through for people in that back part of the county that lived down 181 00:14:18.559 --> 00:14:22.279 there in between the mountains and the river. That's how they get places. 182 00:14:22.840 --> 00:14:28.399 You know, there's not really a highway. There's like three major highways in 183 00:14:28.480 --> 00:14:31.879 the county. Like this, there's so few people in this county's one of 184 00:14:31.879 --> 00:14:37.360 the biggest counties in the state. It didn't have a second phone prefix until 185 00:14:37.399 --> 00:14:43.799 about fifteen years ago. There's very few people there, so it's kind of 186 00:14:43.159 --> 00:14:48.200 it's kind of biffy like it's if you look on a dark skymap the United 187 00:14:48.240 --> 00:14:52.440 States, like it's it's one of the darkest places in the country. Got 188 00:14:52.480 --> 00:14:58.600 you, so you get to see this trail cam pictures of this creature and 189 00:14:58.200 --> 00:15:03.679 you're uncle's telling you about his and his aunt's encounters. Did they have other 190 00:15:03.759 --> 00:15:05.399 encounters or was it just the eyeshine and things that they were seeing? With 191 00:15:05.480 --> 00:15:11.600 these things messing around the house, they my aunt said that she would be 192 00:15:11.679 --> 00:15:16.600 in the kitchen, and God help her, she wants no one to know 193 00:15:16.639 --> 00:15:22.519 that they're there. She wants them left alone to the extent that they're representative 194 00:15:22.519 --> 00:15:28.320 in the state legislature introduced a bill to put a bounty on Bigfoot for hunting 195 00:15:28.320 --> 00:15:35.240 purposes in Oklahoma, and they immediately destroyed all the physical evidence they had collected 196 00:15:35.840 --> 00:15:41.440 so that no one can ever ever figure out where it is. But she's 197 00:15:41.480 --> 00:15:46.120 been feeding them for years all of the you know, she's a Southern woman. 198 00:15:46.240 --> 00:15:50.600 She cooks like crazy, makes way more food than anyone needs. She 199 00:15:50.679 --> 00:15:52.960 just takes all the rest of it outside and sticks it by the fence, 200 00:15:54.120 --> 00:15:58.039 so they when they can smell her cooking, they're standing outside the window, 201 00:15:58.600 --> 00:16:03.120 just from the trees. My uncle told me the other day that he had 202 00:16:04.000 --> 00:16:07.960 had gotten a bunch of chickens, and because he had a bunch of rabbits, 203 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:12.480 they all disappeared out of cages that were locked with latches. You know, 204 00:16:14.440 --> 00:16:18.320 something opened them, didn't terrible apart opened the cages, took the rabbits. 205 00:16:18.320 --> 00:16:21.679 They're gone. So he got a bunch of chickens and he let the 206 00:16:22.080 --> 00:16:26.399 roosters run around at night and they would roost in a tree. That's right, 207 00:16:26.399 --> 00:16:29.799 I mean, it's right out by the driveway. All these roosters just 208 00:16:29.879 --> 00:16:34.240 gone. Didn't hear any clucking, didn't find a single feather. There was 209 00:16:34.440 --> 00:16:41.600 one small bannom rooster that was left. And he said that thing was terrified, 210 00:16:42.000 --> 00:16:47.960 hiding under a shed that would not come out for the longest time, 211 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:51.159 and when it did, it ran right into the hencoop. Wouldn't come out. 212 00:16:51.559 --> 00:16:55.639 So you know, if it's a cat and there's there's mountain lions and 213 00:16:56.320 --> 00:16:59.879 bobcats down there, you could say, well it was a cat. But 214 00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:03.519 if you've ever seen where a cat took a turkey, there's feathers everywhere. 215 00:17:03.919 --> 00:17:10.759 So like how something got five leghorn roosters without leaving a feather off of a 216 00:17:10.799 --> 00:17:15.119 tree other than something that can just walk up on him. And I don't 217 00:17:15.160 --> 00:17:18.440 I don't know, I don't know what it is. When he told me 218 00:17:18.559 --> 00:17:22.720 it's probably been three or four years ago. It flooded real bad, and 219 00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:25.160 when the river gets all the way up, it will come all the way 220 00:17:25.240 --> 00:17:29.119 up to the fence on their yard. There's a pond right across it. 221 00:17:29.240 --> 00:17:32.559 It's on the side of the hill dropping down into this meadow where there's usually 222 00:17:32.640 --> 00:17:37.559 cows. And it was probably two o'clock in the morning, and it had 223 00:17:37.559 --> 00:17:42.039 finally stopped raining and storming, and he heard one yell out across the valley 224 00:17:42.440 --> 00:17:45.839 and then said, about fifteen minutes later, he said, he laid there 225 00:17:45.839 --> 00:17:48.559 waiting to hear if another one called back, and he never did hear anything, 226 00:17:48.599 --> 00:17:56.759 but about fifteen minutes later he heard bipedal slopped like in this water at 227 00:17:56.799 --> 00:18:00.839 that fence line is probably two and a half three feet deep, like you 228 00:18:00.880 --> 00:18:04.160 would hear someone stomping through a mud puddle, is what it sounded like, 229 00:18:04.240 --> 00:18:07.359 coming all the way down that fence line and up the hill. So, 230 00:18:07.799 --> 00:18:11.960 I mean, my legs aren't long enough to do that, and I'm six 231 00:18:11.960 --> 00:18:15.680 feet tall. I don't know anybody who's tall enough to do that, and 232 00:18:15.720 --> 00:18:18.640 I know some seven foot guys that like, I don't know, I don't 233 00:18:18.640 --> 00:18:22.680 know. It's crazy yeah, I always get concerned when and I certainly get 234 00:18:22.839 --> 00:18:26.559 you know, these things are on the property. Your aunt's reaction is, 235 00:18:26.640 --> 00:18:29.599 I don't want anybody hurting them. I don't want anybody knowing about them. 236 00:18:29.799 --> 00:18:33.119 I certainly get that, But I really get concerned when I hear people are 237 00:18:33.200 --> 00:18:36.680 feeding them. And I've had several people on the show, and I've talked 238 00:18:36.720 --> 00:18:41.000 to people off the air that have sort of the symbiotic relationship where they're taking 239 00:18:41.039 --> 00:18:44.640 these things food, and people I've talked to in the past, I think 240 00:18:44.759 --> 00:18:48.839 Dave comes to mind from early on, way back when the show first started, 241 00:18:48.240 --> 00:18:52.319 was feeding these things, and then they get pissed off when the feeding 242 00:18:52.359 --> 00:18:56.559 stops, right, Yeah, and they start, Yeah, they start taking 243 00:18:56.599 --> 00:19:00.200 animals. They were taking you know, like twin any thirty pounds of dog 244 00:19:00.240 --> 00:19:03.519 food at a time out of his dog food containers outside for his dog. 245 00:19:03.640 --> 00:19:07.880 Yeah. Yeah, I remember that. And it gets to be this expensive 246 00:19:07.960 --> 00:19:11.960 venture and it can also be a little bit dangerous. So you had this 247 00:19:12.160 --> 00:19:15.960 conversation with your uncle. You got to see these photos. They're sharing their 248 00:19:15.039 --> 00:19:19.079 encounter stories. What was the conversation like between you and them? Were you 249 00:19:19.119 --> 00:19:22.759 telling them some of these things? I mean, where did the conversation go, 250 00:19:22.279 --> 00:19:26.559 Yeah, she got this information. She said, this was before your 251 00:19:26.640 --> 00:19:30.000 podcast had even started. And I said, you know, it's probably not 252 00:19:30.079 --> 00:19:37.319 a good idea to feed something that's a wild animal, because if these things 253 00:19:37.319 --> 00:19:41.440 are what you think they are, we don't know anything about their behavior. 254 00:19:41.599 --> 00:19:45.920 And she, you know, she's all sweet church lady, and she's all, 255 00:19:45.000 --> 00:19:48.920 well there, you haven't hurt anybody yet, and they're just so nice 256 00:19:48.960 --> 00:19:52.000 and they're never scary or anything like that. I'm like, did you see 257 00:19:52.000 --> 00:19:56.240 what happened to the deer down there? They got ripped to pieces. Like 258 00:19:56.000 --> 00:20:00.920 anything that's strong enough to do that doesn't need you to beat it. Stay 259 00:20:00.960 --> 00:20:08.119 tuned for more sasquat ch otos will be right back after these messages. Two, 260 00:20:08.480 --> 00:20:12.160 you've feeding it is going to keep it around when it probably shouldn't be. 261 00:20:12.240 --> 00:20:15.519 Like, you know, you're supposed to take down hummingbird feeders when it 262 00:20:15.519 --> 00:20:18.960 gets cold, so they'll leave and go where they're supposed to go and don't 263 00:20:18.960 --> 00:20:22.119 suffer in winter. If they stick around and say, you guys go on 264 00:20:22.200 --> 00:20:26.000 vacation. What's to say that thing's not going to tear your house apart to 265 00:20:26.039 --> 00:20:30.640 get food out of it. Well, that's not that hasn't happened, and 266 00:20:30.680 --> 00:20:33.200 I don't think they do that. Well, you can think that all you 267 00:20:33.240 --> 00:20:37.519 want to, but that sounds like a gamble to me. So did they 268 00:20:37.519 --> 00:20:41.680 ever give you any indication that maybe some of the other folks in the area 269 00:20:41.759 --> 00:20:45.920 were having activity or do you think it's just isolated to their property or do 270 00:20:47.000 --> 00:20:49.119 they know of some of the other neighbors that they might have shared information with 271 00:20:49.240 --> 00:20:53.960 that had the same thing going on. Well, a lot of the people 272 00:20:53.960 --> 00:20:57.839 in the area, there's you know, that county's got five or six families 273 00:20:57.839 --> 00:21:06.279 that are all relatively related to each other. A woman ten miles down the 274 00:21:06.359 --> 00:21:10.240 river is my uncle's first cousin. I guess she's my third cousin or something. 275 00:21:10.759 --> 00:21:15.240 She saw one when she was out back hanging up her laundry several years 276 00:21:15.279 --> 00:21:19.039 ago, and it scared her so bad she had a heart attack that take 277 00:21:19.079 --> 00:21:22.960 her to the hospital. The other day, when I was talking to him, 278 00:21:22.960 --> 00:21:26.640 he told me that because I had asked him, you know who else 279 00:21:26.480 --> 00:21:30.319 up and down through here seeing these things, because they're not staying there a 280 00:21:30.440 --> 00:21:34.839 year round, like they're moving. And he said that there were three or 281 00:21:34.839 --> 00:21:41.039 four people talking at his church the Sunday before about seeing stuff. And one 282 00:21:41.079 --> 00:21:45.079 of the guys that I grew up with, his son bought a piece of 283 00:21:45.160 --> 00:21:48.559 land on the other side of the river from him. Oh, it's probably 284 00:21:48.720 --> 00:21:53.119 two miles from there, and his oldest son was out squirrel hunting and saw 285 00:21:53.200 --> 00:21:56.640 one straight up and broad daylight that yelled at him. Scared him so bad 286 00:21:56.640 --> 00:22:00.599 he won't go back in the woods at him. So it's not just them, 287 00:22:00.240 --> 00:22:03.880 there's other people seeing them. And I really hate to hear that they 288 00:22:03.960 --> 00:22:10.759 destroyed the trail cam evidence. Again sort of, I sort of get where 289 00:22:10.759 --> 00:22:14.400 you're coming from, but it just my heart sinks when I hear that, 290 00:22:14.440 --> 00:22:17.799 because I talked to people like Cliff Brackman recently and I had Niko on and 291 00:22:17.839 --> 00:22:21.000 I was talking about some of the trail cam stuff that they've seen that it's 292 00:22:21.039 --> 00:22:26.000 just phenomenal footage, videos and pictures of these things that will never be seen. 293 00:22:26.119 --> 00:22:30.559 And it just tears me up because I think there is a lot of 294 00:22:30.559 --> 00:22:32.519 that. I've said it on the show plenty of times. I think there's 295 00:22:32.519 --> 00:22:34.680 a lot of people out there that have things that we will never be privy 296 00:22:34.720 --> 00:22:38.759 to, that could almost overnight again, you know, videos and pictures are 297 00:22:38.799 --> 00:22:44.319 always going to be subjective obviously, and consider to be anecdotal evidence, even 298 00:22:44.359 --> 00:22:47.920 though it's a physical thing that can be analyzed. But we're still talking about 299 00:22:47.920 --> 00:22:51.400 the Patterson Gimblin film since sixty seven, right, and some people say it's 300 00:22:51.480 --> 00:22:56.599 really some people don't. But I think if we had more of you know, 301 00:22:56.759 --> 00:23:00.240 people coming forward, and even if it's anonymously at least allowing some of 302 00:23:00.279 --> 00:23:03.000 that stuff to be seen, I think we would be a little bit further, 303 00:23:03.079 --> 00:23:07.519 in my opinion, down the road with people accepting, including me, 304 00:23:07.559 --> 00:23:10.200 because I'm still very skeptical. I haven't seen one of these things, right, 305 00:23:10.480 --> 00:23:15.599 right, And if I see some compelling video and audio and have compelling 306 00:23:15.640 --> 00:23:18.720 interviews with eyewitness people who have actually seen these things, it does take you 307 00:23:18.799 --> 00:23:22.319 a little bit further down the road. Do you think they would ever be 308 00:23:22.440 --> 00:23:29.640 willing to maybe put up trail cams again and maybe anonymously share some of the 309 00:23:29.640 --> 00:23:32.680 photos that they get, or do you think that's just a road they're not. 310 00:23:32.680 --> 00:23:37.519 I don't know. I asked him about that the other day because I 311 00:23:37.640 --> 00:23:40.680 was, like you, when he told me that, my heart just sank, 312 00:23:40.880 --> 00:23:47.359 because you know, when I approach this subject just as a little nerd 313 00:23:47.480 --> 00:23:48.759 kid trying to figure it out. I was like, well, you know, 314 00:23:48.880 --> 00:23:55.240 if there's something, there's got to be evidence. But the older I've 315 00:23:55.279 --> 00:24:00.519 gotten and the more you hear things like this, and you know, you 316 00:24:00.640 --> 00:24:07.680 got judges and lawyers and cops and state troopers seeing these things, forestry workers, 317 00:24:07.960 --> 00:24:11.359 you know, National Park Service seeing these things on a regular basis. 318 00:24:11.440 --> 00:24:18.079 It's just a matter of time before it's going to be a recognized species. 319 00:24:18.200 --> 00:24:23.559 In all of this lost data is going to matter. It's setting the science 320 00:24:23.640 --> 00:24:30.319 back probably thirty or forty years. You know, if there wasn't the stigma, 321 00:24:30.359 --> 00:24:33.039 I mean, I'm on it here with my face obscured, crying out 322 00:24:33.039 --> 00:24:38.240 louder. If it weren't for the stigma, I think a lot of people 323 00:24:38.519 --> 00:24:44.440 would be perfectly willing to come forward. But then you've got ones like them 324 00:24:44.519 --> 00:24:48.599 who just want them to be left alone. You know, they think they've 325 00:24:48.720 --> 00:24:52.000 they've been there for tens of thousands of years, minding their own business. 326 00:24:52.240 --> 00:24:56.559 Everything's fine, they don't need anything from us. Just leave them alone. 327 00:24:56.480 --> 00:25:02.599 Everybody can forget about them and they'll be better off. But at the same 328 00:25:02.640 --> 00:25:11.000 time, if a large predatory species loses its habitat because it's not protected, 329 00:25:11.640 --> 00:25:17.799 that's going to create long term fallout that diminishes the species, perhaps be on 330 00:25:17.880 --> 00:25:22.759 the point of return. So those things matter, I think, And I 331 00:25:22.799 --> 00:25:27.000 mean, I don't know that I convinced him otherwise the other day when I 332 00:25:27.000 --> 00:25:30.240 talked to him, But I don't know that it's a closed book. I 333 00:25:30.279 --> 00:25:33.640 think if it were just him, I think I think my aunt is more 334 00:25:34.000 --> 00:25:38.240 down that road than he is. But you know, they probably got a 335 00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:42.119 good twenty years left on him, So I don't know that that's going to 336 00:25:42.240 --> 00:25:45.920 change. They might, and if if they were, if they were a 337 00:25:45.960 --> 00:25:51.720 recognized species and people were leaving them alone, maybe she'd change your mind about 338 00:25:51.759 --> 00:25:53.480 it. But I don't know. Well, I certainly get that they don't 339 00:25:53.519 --> 00:25:57.359 want, you know, the big Foot researchers. They don't want Expedition big 340 00:25:57.359 --> 00:26:02.640 Foot rolling up with a camera crewel and their property to do investigations and things 341 00:26:02.640 --> 00:26:06.000 like that. But I think there is a way, you know, to 342 00:26:06.519 --> 00:26:11.400 maybe convince them to allow some trailcam pictures to be released or video to be 343 00:26:11.480 --> 00:26:15.720 released. It in a way, if it's explained properly, like similar to 344 00:26:15.759 --> 00:26:18.400 what you just said, maybe they would understand that it is a way in 345 00:26:18.440 --> 00:26:22.440 my opinion that you could help preserve these things down the road, because we 346 00:26:22.440 --> 00:26:26.799 don't know anything about if they exist at all. We don't know anything about 347 00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:30.200 how many of them there are, what the habitat is, if they are 348 00:26:30.359 --> 00:26:33.119 migrating, if they're sticking to one or two mile or maybe even a ten 349 00:26:33.160 --> 00:26:37.680 mile radius, or whatever the case may be, and those kind of things 350 00:26:37.799 --> 00:26:41.720 are important. They could they could be one of the most single handedly they 351 00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:45.359 could change what we know about these things because if they're catching the same ones 352 00:26:45.440 --> 00:26:48.640 year after year on trailcams, for example, moving through a certain bottom or 353 00:26:48.680 --> 00:26:52.799 certain areas, there's all kinds of data that can be extrapolated from just a 354 00:26:52.839 --> 00:26:56.480 few trailcam pictures on their property. So you know, I get it. 355 00:26:56.480 --> 00:27:00.519 It's their property, it's you know, it's their lie if it's their sasquatches 356 00:27:00.559 --> 00:27:03.720 in a way, So I certainly get it. But I wish I could 357 00:27:03.759 --> 00:27:07.160 just have a conversation with them and say, look, you know, there's 358 00:27:07.319 --> 00:27:11.359 so much that can be gleaned from what you guys have, because if they're 359 00:27:11.359 --> 00:27:15.519 having those experiences, and I certainly believe you and I believe that they are, 360 00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:19.319 it could go a long way in helping us understand what we're dealing with, 361 00:27:19.920 --> 00:27:22.400 but you know, it is what it is. I get that people 362 00:27:22.400 --> 00:27:26.720 are private people, and you know I'm the same way about my property. 363 00:27:26.880 --> 00:27:29.160 You know, I wouldn't want a bunch of people out and doing things, 364 00:27:29.160 --> 00:27:32.160 and you know I do some of that stuff on my own. And I've 365 00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:33.920 wrestled with the fact if people have asked me all the time, if you 366 00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:37.920 see one of these things on your property, are you going to tell anybody? 367 00:27:37.519 --> 00:27:41.640 I don't know. You know, I don't there's some stigma. There's 368 00:27:41.640 --> 00:27:45.880 some stigma with being the Bigfoot podcast guy who eventually catches one on video, 369 00:27:45.079 --> 00:27:48.640 or catches one on a trail cam, or sees one in the flesh. 370 00:27:48.680 --> 00:27:52.440 You know, I've said it recently. I would probably me, being the 371 00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:53.839 person that I am, I'm going to come out and tell people whatever my 372 00:27:53.880 --> 00:27:57.000 experience is, because that's kind of the business I'm in and I'm not a 373 00:27:57.079 --> 00:28:00.759 hypocrite. So I would have eventually do that. But I would certainly make 374 00:28:00.799 --> 00:28:03.599 some phone calls, and I would have some conversations with people, and I 375 00:28:03.640 --> 00:28:07.799 would certainly have my ducks in a row before I ever came out and presented 376 00:28:07.839 --> 00:28:12.119 anything as definitive evidence that I've seen one or captured one on camera, so 377 00:28:12.559 --> 00:28:15.079 I certainly understand it. You mentioned it earlier, and I don't know if 378 00:28:15.079 --> 00:28:18.640 there's any more sasquatch stuff we need to cover before we get there, and 379 00:28:18.640 --> 00:28:21.640 if there is, certainly do that. But you mentioned your email, and 380 00:28:21.640 --> 00:28:25.119 you mentioned you alluded to earlier in the beginning of the interview, that's not 381 00:28:25.160 --> 00:28:29.279 the only strange thing that's going on out there. So would you mind going 382 00:28:29.319 --> 00:28:32.799 into some of the other things that you've experienced yourself personally and tell us a 383 00:28:32.839 --> 00:28:34.920 little bit about that. No, not at all. Yeah, because, 384 00:28:34.920 --> 00:28:40.759 like I said, this aspect of what the weird stuff that's gone on there 385 00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:47.079 was relatively new. I lived there, my family's own differ generations. My 386 00:28:47.279 --> 00:28:52.400 parents piece was right next to where this is going on, even further up 387 00:28:52.440 --> 00:29:00.400 the hill. When I wasn't quite five but almost five. My dad worked 388 00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:03.240 away from home. His company was on the other side of the state, 389 00:29:03.559 --> 00:29:07.200 and he would be off working during the week, you know, on Friday 390 00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:11.039 nights, my brother and I got to stay up until he got home. 391 00:29:11.519 --> 00:29:17.799 And that house is really large. It was you know, my grandparents, 392 00:29:18.559 --> 00:29:22.799 they had five kids who were you know, spread out. It was massive, 393 00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:27.440 but we only used like the front half of it, and my brother 394 00:29:27.480 --> 00:29:32.519 and I, because we were so small, we shared room, and it 395 00:29:32.559 --> 00:29:34.920 was on the corner of the house, so we had big bay windows on 396 00:29:34.920 --> 00:29:40.680 one wall above one bed, and big bay windows on the other wall over 397 00:29:40.720 --> 00:29:42.599 the other bed, and we, you know, just being kids, we 398 00:29:42.599 --> 00:29:48.400 would mess around. My mom was out watching Johnny Carson, and we're back 399 00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:52.640 there in the bedroom, and the beds were kind of catty corner to each 400 00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:56.680 other where they're like the edges of the bed made a square in the corner 401 00:29:56.720 --> 00:30:00.039 of the room, and we would just bounce back and forth between them and 402 00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:04.319 pass each other in the air like crazy kids. Were lucky we didn't kill 403 00:30:04.359 --> 00:30:10.759 ourselves. You know. They were big folk framed beds and bay windows right 404 00:30:10.759 --> 00:30:12.960 there. If we ever did anything wrong, we'd probably cut ourselves to ribbons 405 00:30:14.039 --> 00:30:18.200 or can cussed ourselves severely, but that never happened. But we were doing 406 00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:23.119 that and I saw a shadow as I was bouncing through the air, I 407 00:30:23.119 --> 00:30:27.079 saw a shadow of someone hunched over, creeping along the side of the house. 408 00:30:29.240 --> 00:30:33.359 And I snagged my brother, pulled him down, and I whispered to 409 00:30:33.440 --> 00:30:37.440 him that our uncle was gonna try to scare us because he used to do 410 00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:41.160 pranks on us all the time. I mean he lived, he lived right 411 00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:45.279 over there, and he was always messing with us. So I said, 412 00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:48.400 we're gonna we're gonna jump up and we're gonna scare it. And he said, 413 00:30:48.400 --> 00:30:52.160 okay, this will be fun. And when we came back to the 414 00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:56.319 other side, instead of dropping down, we popped up in the window and 415 00:30:56.839 --> 00:31:04.160 wow, and it was my uncle. It was probably five two five three 416 00:31:04.200 --> 00:31:14.559 olive gray, reptilian looking creature that had three fingers in a thumb. It 417 00:31:14.599 --> 00:31:18.599 didn't have what you would call like a pinky, that was a noticeably shorter 418 00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:25.640 finger. It had black teeth. Its ears were kind of closer to its 419 00:31:25.640 --> 00:31:30.960 head than ours, more integrated. I would say it had vertical pupil slits, 420 00:31:33.359 --> 00:31:36.240 and I say it had flat teeth, because when we jumped up to 421 00:31:36.319 --> 00:31:44.240 Scarret, we did totally surprised. Its mouth literally fell open and it went 422 00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:49.640 ah. But it wasn't human by any stretch of the imagination. It scared 423 00:31:49.759 --> 00:31:56.640 us out of our minds. We screamed and dropped down and my brother said 424 00:31:56.680 --> 00:32:00.000 what do we do? And I said, you hide, and I jumped 425 00:32:00.039 --> 00:32:04.599 back up, and at that point it was already running towards the front porch 426 00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:07.680 from the window. It wasn't even trying to sneak anymore. It was just 427 00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:12.079 straight up running. And I ran down the hall into the living room, 428 00:32:12.759 --> 00:32:17.200 where my mom was sitting completely catatonic on a couch, staring directly ahead at 429 00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:23.200 the TV, just like she was frozen. The TV was nothing but static, 430 00:32:23.839 --> 00:32:30.240 and I'm yelling at her that there's a demon outside. No response at 431 00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:35.559 all, because we're little kids, like the notion of UFOs and aliens and 432 00:32:35.640 --> 00:32:38.559 stuff didn't even register, you know, We're just kids raised in the church. 433 00:32:38.880 --> 00:32:42.400 So I locked the front door because you know, out there, nobody 434 00:32:42.839 --> 00:32:45.079 even to this day, most people don't lock their doors much less, you 435 00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:50.839 know, in nineteen eighty is anybody locking a door, especially if you expect 436 00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:53.720 people to be there. So I can hear it at that point it's running 437 00:32:53.799 --> 00:32:58.240 up the steps. I can hear it when I locked the door, and 438 00:32:58.279 --> 00:33:00.960 since she's not responding, I just cut tracks to the back of the house 439 00:33:01.000 --> 00:33:05.880 because I'm thinking, oh, there's other doors, like the garage doors unlocked. 440 00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:09.880 There's the back door that's a big sliding glass thing with a deck out 441 00:33:09.920 --> 00:33:15.519 back that you know comes into this big family room back there, and so 442 00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:20.640 I go to run to lock those, and there's already two starting on the 443 00:33:21.160 --> 00:33:27.200 grass, coming towards the steps, and one is already probably one foot on 444 00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:30.119 the bottom step, and one on the second coming up that, and so 445 00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:34.480 I just you know, that's sliding glass doors used to have that bar, 446 00:33:35.200 --> 00:33:37.079 you know, that would go down and lock it for being able to be 447 00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:42.279 open. And I hit that about the same time the thing was making the 448 00:33:42.319 --> 00:33:47.359 top of the deck. It was visibly angry at that fact, and was 449 00:33:47.480 --> 00:33:53.640 banging on the glass with its hands. It didn't if it was I mean, 450 00:33:53.680 --> 00:33:59.400 it was probably as physically strong as a small child, because it wasn't 451 00:33:59.480 --> 00:34:01.839 unless it was just you know, just trying to be distracting or whatever. 452 00:34:01.880 --> 00:34:07.159 It wasn't hitting it hard enough to break the glass. So but then it 453 00:34:07.280 --> 00:34:15.639 stopped and just kind of got this smirt on its face, stopped looking angry 454 00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:24.079 and looked amused. And I heard the garage door handle start to turn, 455 00:34:25.199 --> 00:34:30.719 which is like right across this room, and so I just bolted straight for 456 00:34:30.920 --> 00:34:35.440 it. It started to open when I was probably five or six feet away 457 00:34:35.480 --> 00:34:37.480 from it, which at that age is you know a couple of steps. 458 00:34:37.519 --> 00:34:43.320 So I just dropped my shoulder and slammed full on into it and threw the 459 00:34:43.360 --> 00:34:47.400 bolt on it right as it closed, and I heard whatever was opening the 460 00:34:47.480 --> 00:34:52.880 door bounce off the hood of my mom's car, because there's there were steps 461 00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:59.559 up from the garage into that part of the house, and I heard it 462 00:34:59.639 --> 00:35:05.880 making audible when it hit. You know, I'm freaked completely out at this 463 00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:08.079 point. I am. It's a good thing it happened when I was that 464 00:35:08.199 --> 00:35:12.840 young, because my heart would probably explode if that happened now. I never 465 00:35:12.840 --> 00:35:19.360 had an adrenaline spike like that, even in combat conditions like that is hands 466 00:35:19.360 --> 00:35:22.880 down the scariest thing I've ever experienced in my life. Jumping out airplanes, 467 00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:28.159 not even close, because it's it's so like at this point, and I 468 00:35:28.280 --> 00:35:32.679 was I was a very precocious child. I read encyclopedias for fun when I 469 00:35:32.760 --> 00:35:37.039 was like three years old. This did not register as something that was supposed 470 00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:44.119 to exist in reality on this planet at all. Every authoritative source said, 471 00:35:44.119 --> 00:35:46.159 no, no, no, that doesn't exist. That's not real. It's 472 00:35:46.199 --> 00:35:51.920 totally that's fake. Even even the concept of demons was like, well, 473 00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:58.199 that's that's religious, quasi scientifical thing over here. That's nobody that that's old 474 00:35:58.199 --> 00:36:00.960 stuff that doesn't even happen any point, but there you are in it, 475 00:36:01.639 --> 00:36:08.320 and it's pretty scary. And I could I could hear that one kind of 476 00:36:08.440 --> 00:36:13.599 getting off of the car, but I could hear another one already running on 477 00:36:14.119 --> 00:36:16.280 the floor of the garage. So I don't know if it was there were 478 00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:21.239 those two in the back, and the one that had run up on the 479 00:36:21.239 --> 00:36:23.440 front porch might have been the one of the two that was in the garage, 480 00:36:24.440 --> 00:36:29.920 so I can't say that there were more than four. But yeah, 481 00:36:29.960 --> 00:36:34.079 it was freaking crazy. And I'm just like, I don't even know what 482 00:36:34.119 --> 00:36:37.000 I'm gonna do at this point, but I feel like I have the place 483 00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:39.480 to hear and I can hear my dad's work truck, which is this, 484 00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:45.360 you know, one ton flat bed welder on the back truck that you can 485 00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:47.559 hear coming. You know, it's diesel. You can hear that thing coming 486 00:36:47.559 --> 00:36:52.599 out there from two miles away. I hear it coming down the road, 487 00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:58.239 and I'm like, Yay, we're gonna be safe. And because he was 488 00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:02.400 a he was in Vietnam, he's a pretty scary guy, so you know, 489 00:37:02.440 --> 00:37:06.239 being a little kid, I'm like Superman's coming. Everything's gonna be all 490 00:37:06.320 --> 00:37:09.119 right, and I can I can hear them start to run out of the 491 00:37:09.159 --> 00:37:14.440 garage, and I can hear the ones running off the deck in the back. 492 00:37:14.840 --> 00:37:15.760 So I'm like, okay, I'm just gonna go back out there. 493 00:37:16.199 --> 00:37:22.920 And when I go into the living room, it's still staticky. My mom's 494 00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:29.400 starting to snap out of whatever catatonic state she's in. Johnny Carson then comes 495 00:37:29.440 --> 00:37:34.320 back on right as my dad's truck is pulling into the driveway. And that 496 00:37:34.440 --> 00:37:39.760 was the only time that I've experienced anything scary like that. But I don't 497 00:37:39.800 --> 00:37:46.280 know. I was probably fourteen or fifteen, and I noticed that at the 498 00:37:46.400 --> 00:37:51.199 right side base of my skull, probably an inch blow at the base of 499 00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:55.280 my skull and two inches off of center light of my spine, there is 500 00:37:55.360 --> 00:38:05.079 a distinct lump that is there that change his size depending upon how much stress 501 00:38:05.119 --> 00:38:08.920 I'm under. And most of my families in the medical field, and you 502 00:38:08.960 --> 00:38:13.800 know, I was supposed to be a surgeon myself before I decided I didn't 503 00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:19.039 want to do that lifestyle of dealing with insurance companies and all that fun. 504 00:38:19.599 --> 00:38:23.760 But I asked my mom about it, and she she literally said maybe the 505 00:38:23.800 --> 00:38:28.719 aliens put it there, And I said, ah, you're you're not funny. 506 00:38:29.519 --> 00:38:31.239 Seriously, what is that? She goes, I'm not joking. Maybe 507 00:38:31.239 --> 00:38:37.920 the aliens put it there, so obviously I had to be like, well, 508 00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:45.440 why would you say that? And she told me a story about how 509 00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:52.360 when she was pregnant with me, she and her cousin and my aunt had 510 00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:57.800 gone to watch a movie in town and when they were coming back, they 511 00:38:57.920 --> 00:39:04.679 noticed that there was a light following them at tree height. When they'd slow 512 00:39:04.760 --> 00:39:07.159 down, they'd slow down, when they'd speed up, it's been up. 513 00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:10.440 And again, this is out in the middle of nowhere. This is not 514 00:39:10.559 --> 00:39:15.840 on a flight path of any planes anywhere. This thing wasn't making any sound. 515 00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:20.599 It scared the crap out of them. So they got to this straight 516 00:39:20.639 --> 00:39:24.000 away before you make the turndown of the family's road, and they started hauling 517 00:39:24.079 --> 00:39:29.480 butt and it just got closer and closer to them, and that was the 518 00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:35.079 last thing they remembered until turns out two or three hours later they're on the 519 00:39:35.159 --> 00:39:40.559 road in the truck going home, and everybody's been out looking for them, 520 00:39:40.679 --> 00:39:45.920 wanting to know where they had gone missing to, which, you know, 521 00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:50.960 how do you not find a vehicle that's right there, like where did they 522 00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:57.079 go? Not a clue, not a clue. So apparently that has been 523 00:39:57.119 --> 00:40:00.760 going on for quite some time. Day two for more sasquatch out to sea 524 00:40:00.800 --> 00:40:13.280 wall right back after these messages. And I've seen other craft up close three 525 00:40:13.360 --> 00:40:15.519 or four different times. And it's always with someone else. It's not just 526 00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:20.800 when I'm with myself and I see something. There's always another person there. 527 00:40:21.800 --> 00:40:25.159 So I can't even write it off as I saw something and thought it was 528 00:40:25.199 --> 00:40:30.679 one thing and I just tired and playing tricks on myself or whatever. In 529 00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:36.760 fact, this still goes on. The other day, the space station flew 530 00:40:36.840 --> 00:40:40.599 over, went outside to watch it. Wife came out to watch it. 531 00:40:40.599 --> 00:40:45.280 It had passed down to where it was that point. It was out over 532 00:40:45.079 --> 00:40:51.639 by Alabama, by the Gulf coast, and coming from the path that it 533 00:40:51.719 --> 00:40:58.559 was on, there was a smaller light coming back the opposite direction, and 534 00:40:58.679 --> 00:41:06.000 it just zigzagged in flashes of motion so fast it just looked like it like 535 00:41:06.039 --> 00:41:09.920 it was coming this way, stopped with around the moon, stopped again, 536 00:41:12.440 --> 00:41:15.519 started on a completely different path that took it right over the top of us, 537 00:41:15.559 --> 00:41:21.280 and then it stopped right after it got north of us and made this 538 00:41:21.760 --> 00:41:25.400 really bright flash and was just gone, no idea what that thing was? 539 00:41:27.199 --> 00:41:30.239 None. Well, I was like, what what in the world was that? 540 00:41:30.679 --> 00:41:34.800 Like, I have no idea. If we've got that, we're not 541 00:41:34.880 --> 00:41:37.239 talking about it. I don't even know why we would have that, she 542 00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:39.559 said. She said, I feel like it was almost talking to us because 543 00:41:39.559 --> 00:41:42.880 it stopped right over us and did that flash, And I'm like, I 544 00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:45.400 don't know what else to say. I don't know what that is. Yeah. 545 00:41:45.480 --> 00:41:49.559 So like another time, this was a couple of years ago, my 546 00:41:49.960 --> 00:41:55.239 brother and I were up by the un To Basin in camping in January in 547 00:41:55.320 --> 00:42:01.360 the mountains like crazy people, and we had cook dinner and eaton We're sitting 548 00:42:01.360 --> 00:42:06.840 outside of the tent buff fire, and this place is kind of in a 549 00:42:07.719 --> 00:42:10.239 if you come into the Colorado side off of the Winter Basin, there's a 550 00:42:10.880 --> 00:42:15.239 there's like a range of mountains that runs north and south, and where the 551 00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:20.239 Green River Valley is, there's mountains that run on either side of it, 552 00:42:20.320 --> 00:42:23.960 So you're kind of in this box canyon that runs. You know, it's 553 00:42:23.960 --> 00:42:30.679 got eleven thousand foot mountains all the way around it except to the east, 554 00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:35.199 and those that runs for about fifty miles and then you're by steamboat Colorado, 555 00:42:35.239 --> 00:42:39.159 and there's rapid ears fourteen thousand feet high up there, so you can hear 556 00:42:39.280 --> 00:42:46.719 planes coming before you can even see them. And this light because and it's 557 00:42:47.519 --> 00:42:52.320 if you've seen these things, the lights on them are not like anything we've 558 00:42:52.360 --> 00:42:57.320 got. The closest thing we've got now are LEDs. But these things are 559 00:42:57.360 --> 00:43:00.119 like some kind of I don't even know how they do it. It's almost 560 00:43:00.840 --> 00:43:08.639 like an ionized piece of air, almost like an arc from a welding torch, 561 00:43:10.039 --> 00:43:15.039 almost has that same vibrancy to it. But it's you know, these 562 00:43:15.079 --> 00:43:20.840 things were like the size of a baseball, and it you know, visually, 563 00:43:21.079 --> 00:43:23.760 at that distance it's coming up over the mountain, there's one. It's 564 00:43:23.760 --> 00:43:28.039 not making any sound. My brother's like, what is that, man? 565 00:43:28.880 --> 00:43:32.719 Right, I don't know, not a helicopter, not a not a plane. 566 00:43:32.719 --> 00:43:37.119 It's not moving fast enough to be a plane. And then as it 567 00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:40.480 started and I mean it's coming from south to north, it got to where 568 00:43:40.480 --> 00:43:45.559 there was probably ten seconds of arc, and then another one came right behind 569 00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:50.400 it, another fifteen seconds of arc or so, another one right behind that. 570 00:43:51.239 --> 00:43:54.440 There were as many as four of them that you could see at one 571 00:43:54.440 --> 00:44:00.199 time, and when they got directly above us, that one in the front 572 00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:05.039 would just wink out of existence, and then and then they would just keep 573 00:44:05.039 --> 00:44:07.000 coming like a train. That the front one just disappeared right in front of 574 00:44:07.039 --> 00:44:12.360 us. And my brother's freaking out. He'd never seen anything like that. 575 00:44:12.440 --> 00:44:15.159 He's my baby brother. He's like ten years younger than us. He was 576 00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:19.559 not even a thought on the radar when that other stuff happened. And he's 577 00:44:19.599 --> 00:44:22.199 like, what is that? Man? Like, what do you think it 578 00:44:22.239 --> 00:44:22.679 is? He's like, I don't know what it is? What is that? 579 00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:27.599 Like? Well, I don't know what to tell you other than we 580 00:44:27.679 --> 00:44:30.639 don't really have anything like that. You know, I had security clearances. 581 00:44:31.400 --> 00:44:37.239 I ran a radar unit. We don't have stuff like that. Maybe we 582 00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:39.639 got some since I was in I don't know. And he's like, no, 583 00:44:39.760 --> 00:44:44.519 dude, what, no, seriously, what is that? What your 584 00:44:44.559 --> 00:44:45.760 guess as good as mine, man, I don't know what that is. 585 00:44:46.199 --> 00:44:51.159 He's like, does not even make it sound like Nope, it's not so 586 00:44:51.280 --> 00:44:53.760 brother, How do those lights even I've never seen lights like that, like 587 00:44:54.039 --> 00:44:57.639 me either, I don't know what those are. Like, we're off with 588 00:44:57.679 --> 00:45:00.159 close to Skinwalker Ranch though, so you know, all kinds of weird stuff 589 00:45:00.159 --> 00:45:05.280 happens out there. Maybe it's some of that stuff I don't know, but 590 00:45:05.599 --> 00:45:12.039 some crazy crap like that I see probably every two years, four years over 591 00:45:12.079 --> 00:45:15.679 the course of my life. It's crazy, like they follow me around or 592 00:45:15.719 --> 00:45:17.400 something. I don't I don't like it. I don't like it at all, 593 00:45:19.119 --> 00:45:22.079 because since that first event, I have no memory of where that thing 594 00:45:22.079 --> 00:45:29.440 in my net came from. I had that for twenty years, never moved, 595 00:45:29.719 --> 00:45:35.719 never changed. I woke up one night feeling like I had been just 596 00:45:36.159 --> 00:45:39.320 beaten and drugged through the ringer and had another one on the other side. 597 00:45:39.760 --> 00:45:47.360 And for three days after that I had vertigo, was throwing up constantly, 598 00:45:49.119 --> 00:45:53.480 couldn't stand up, was all kinds of messed up. And I you know, 599 00:45:53.519 --> 00:45:55.960 I'm the guy you can put on the worst roller coaster in the world. 600 00:45:57.000 --> 00:46:00.159 I'm like, yay, this is so fun. I read Vertigo my 601 00:46:00.199 --> 00:46:07.079 life. Then I woke up had a third one that was maybe an inch 602 00:46:07.239 --> 00:46:10.239 down to the left from the new one. God's fine, felt like a 603 00:46:10.360 --> 00:46:14.480 hundred bucks, not a problem in the world. Didn't feel like I'd ever 604 00:46:14.559 --> 00:46:17.360 been sick. There was no like recovery time. It was literally I was 605 00:46:17.440 --> 00:46:22.559 throwing up my toe nails and dizzy, worse than I've ever been, as 606 00:46:22.639 --> 00:46:28.760 drunk as I've ever been in my life, to being asleep for three hours 607 00:46:28.800 --> 00:46:31.599 and waking up feeling like I had company, got another thing in my neck, 608 00:46:31.639 --> 00:46:37.159 and I'm fine. It's bizarre. It's bizarre. I don't know any 609 00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:42.360 other way to put it. Just crazy. And that was that was the 610 00:46:42.480 --> 00:46:45.880 impetus for me getting in touch with you in the first place. Because when 611 00:46:45.039 --> 00:46:52.360 my uncle called me the other day he told me that he just asked me 612 00:46:52.400 --> 00:46:57.639 about because very I've not told this to anybody outside the family other than my 613 00:46:57.719 --> 00:47:01.880 significant others, and like two of my closest friends on the planet, like 614 00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:07.559 people who have actively saved my life, know about this. I had told 615 00:47:07.599 --> 00:47:10.599 my uncle about it years ago, and he that was the first thing he 616 00:47:10.639 --> 00:47:14.400 asked me. What he called me was, hey, tell me what those 617 00:47:14.440 --> 00:47:16.679 aliens you saw up there? It looked like? And so I told him 618 00:47:16.679 --> 00:47:22.039 and I said why, and he said, well, had this lump in 619 00:47:22.159 --> 00:47:27.039 my finger that was kind of bothering me. So I got the messing with 620 00:47:27.079 --> 00:47:31.840 it and I cut it out. It was this little whitish disc that was 621 00:47:31.840 --> 00:47:36.880 about half the size of a penny. Tried cutting it, tried burning it, 622 00:47:37.159 --> 00:47:39.599 couldn't even do anything to it. It's like somebody trying to take a 623 00:47:39.679 --> 00:47:44.960 dull knife to cow's eyeball or something. Couldn't even touch it. So I 624 00:47:45.039 --> 00:47:47.079 flushed it. I said, it came out of your finger, right, 625 00:47:47.119 --> 00:47:53.840 And he said, yeah, somebody stuck something in my finger while I was 626 00:47:53.880 --> 00:47:59.239 asleep. That was not there before. Where I've never had a problem in 627 00:47:59.280 --> 00:48:02.800 my life. And I just want to know what the ones you saw look 628 00:48:02.880 --> 00:48:06.880 like, so I can tell or not if they come back, if it's 629 00:48:06.880 --> 00:48:09.079 the same one still messing around him, which you know. That for me 630 00:48:09.239 --> 00:48:15.119 was like, holy crap. Maybe maybe the stuff was going on before I 631 00:48:15.199 --> 00:48:16.760 was born. Stuff's going on. I was a little kid, and now 632 00:48:16.760 --> 00:48:20.360 it's going on. He told me. I said, have you ever seen 633 00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:24.079 anything like that ever? And he said the only time he'd ever seen anything 634 00:48:24.159 --> 00:48:30.159 that other than the bigfoot stuff, the only thing he'd ever seen was when 635 00:48:30.159 --> 00:48:31.960 he came back from Vietnam. He worked on oil rigs out in the golf 636 00:48:32.440 --> 00:48:37.760 and he told me that one time they were all out there pulling pipe and 637 00:48:37.880 --> 00:48:40.639 this light just came up off out of the gulf, out of the water, 638 00:48:42.119 --> 00:48:46.360 covered probably three hundred feet away from the rig, had all kinds of 639 00:48:46.360 --> 00:48:50.760 crazy lights going around it, and then it just took off faster than they 640 00:48:50.800 --> 00:48:53.840 could imagine anything moving. He's like, I've seen I've seen tracers coming out 641 00:48:53.840 --> 00:48:58.320 of an M sixty a whole bunch of times. This thing was way faster 642 00:48:58.400 --> 00:49:01.760 than that. Other than that seen anything. So it kind of like, 643 00:49:02.199 --> 00:49:05.880 I don't know. I guess I just wanted to get it on the record 644 00:49:06.360 --> 00:49:09.559 in case things go completely sideways down there. Who knows, Like, you 645 00:49:09.599 --> 00:49:15.000 know, you start hearing stories about Bigfoot and UFOs in the same place at 646 00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:17.880 the same time, and who knows what's going on. I don't know. 647 00:49:19.239 --> 00:49:22.280 Well, I want to go back to the original incident with the aliens that 648 00:49:22.280 --> 00:49:25.920 we're trying to get in the house, because that's a really interesting event because 649 00:49:27.079 --> 00:49:31.320 if these things were in fact extraterrestrials, let's say, their behavior seems odd 650 00:49:31.599 --> 00:49:35.880 to me. Have you had time to go back and reflect and say, 651 00:49:36.559 --> 00:49:38.239 Okay, what the hell? Because I've I've had people tell me they've been 652 00:49:38.239 --> 00:49:44.119 abducted, and these things will transport through walls, they will materialize through walls. 653 00:49:44.119 --> 00:49:46.760 They will pull people through walls like it's nothing. Yet, Yeah, 654 00:49:46.800 --> 00:49:53.800 these things were exhibiting animalistic and even human type behaviors of trying to get in. 655 00:49:54.199 --> 00:49:59.239 Have you had time to sort of rehash that in your brain and apply 656 00:49:59.320 --> 00:50:01.679 your scientific brain to it. And I know it's subjective obviously, because you 657 00:50:01.760 --> 00:50:05.280 have no way you're knowing, ay what they were and be what they were 658 00:50:05.360 --> 00:50:07.000 doing. But have you had time to go back and look at that and 659 00:50:07.039 --> 00:50:10.440 say, this is what I think was going on during that incident. Yeah, 660 00:50:10.480 --> 00:50:15.960 I've I've thought about this a lot, and I've gone so far as 661 00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:21.079 to research, you know, all of the types of aliens that people describe 662 00:50:21.199 --> 00:50:28.360 seeing. I have never found any that looked like those. There's something that 663 00:50:28.400 --> 00:50:31.920 have a you know, they're reptilian looking that they did not look like these 664 00:50:31.960 --> 00:50:37.400 things looked. So I have to I have to assume that different races of 665 00:50:37.440 --> 00:50:44.320 aliens are kind of like us. They're different levels of technological advancement. Some 666 00:50:44.400 --> 00:50:47.760 of them can probably go right through walls. They've probably got the tech to 667 00:50:47.800 --> 00:50:53.280 do that. It's not you know, most most matter is ninety nine percent 668 00:50:53.400 --> 00:50:59.719 space. It's not when you when you feel this desk you're not feeling a 669 00:50:59.800 --> 00:51:07.039 debt esk. You're feeling the electrons and the surface of those atoms resisting you 670 00:51:07.199 --> 00:51:12.199 pushing your hand through it. Well, if you can disrupt the weak nuclear 671 00:51:12.280 --> 00:51:15.639 force, you could pass right through anything you wanted to. You've got that 672 00:51:15.719 --> 00:51:21.039 tech. We don't have that tech. But you know, we've been you 673 00:51:21.079 --> 00:51:24.320 know, we've stepped out of the dark ages basically five hundred years ago, 674 00:51:25.039 --> 00:51:28.760 you know, and look what we've done in that amount of time. Give 675 00:51:28.840 --> 00:51:30.199 us another ten thousand years, we may be able to do all kinds of 676 00:51:30.199 --> 00:51:36.960 crazy stuff that. You know, someone once said, if something is scientifically 677 00:51:37.000 --> 00:51:40.920 advanced enough, the difference between it and magic is imperceptible. You know, 678 00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:45.480 if I take up if I took this bone back one hundred years, people 679 00:51:45.559 --> 00:51:50.480 would freaking lose their minds. Like, there's more computing power in this than 680 00:51:50.519 --> 00:51:53.559 we used to send people to the moon thirty forty years ago. Fifty years 681 00:51:53.599 --> 00:51:58.639 ago, I guess now. So really, what I think, honestly is 682 00:51:59.159 --> 00:52:04.679 they were coming to carry on whatever kind of thing they're doing with my family. 683 00:52:05.119 --> 00:52:08.760 You know, these things tend to travel down familial lines for whatever reason, 684 00:52:09.440 --> 00:52:15.880 genetic experimentation or population study or whatever. They're doing. That's kind of 685 00:52:15.920 --> 00:52:20.840 what it seems like. And the fact that I have no conscious memory of 686 00:52:20.960 --> 00:52:25.119 any of the implants that are in me makes me think that, Okay, 687 00:52:25.519 --> 00:52:30.280 well, if you think you're just walking in on some kids and they actually 688 00:52:30.320 --> 00:52:31.519 put up a fight, and the next time you come seeing you just knock 689 00:52:31.559 --> 00:52:35.440 everybody out all of the day, what you're gonna do and then go on 690 00:52:35.440 --> 00:52:38.119 your way. Other than that, I don't I don't have a more rational 691 00:52:38.239 --> 00:52:45.559 explanation for it, Like literally, for up until probably it's probably twenty five 692 00:52:45.679 --> 00:52:50.079 years my brother and I when we talked about it between ourselves, we just 693 00:52:50.119 --> 00:52:52.960 referred to it as the Night the Demons game because we didn't have a frame 694 00:52:52.039 --> 00:52:57.079 or reference for it. You know. It wasn't until later we're like, 695 00:52:57.519 --> 00:53:00.320 you know, anything that's not from here, it is pretty much by definition 696 00:53:00.360 --> 00:53:05.679 an extraterrestrial. I didn't see their ship, but I've been all over that 697 00:53:05.760 --> 00:53:07.360 property. I didn't see a hole in the ground they crawled up out of, 698 00:53:07.440 --> 00:53:13.320 either, So I have to assume they got there somehow, and it 699 00:53:13.400 --> 00:53:16.519 wasn't in a big diesel truck. Because I didn't hear him leaving, I 700 00:53:16.519 --> 00:53:19.920 didn't hear him coming, and I didn't hear him leaving. Have you had 701 00:53:19.960 --> 00:53:23.239 any follow up conversations with your mom about the missing time she experienced when she 702 00:53:23.320 --> 00:53:27.760 was pregnant with you? Does she have any theories on does she think she 703 00:53:27.840 --> 00:53:30.079 was abducted? Do you think she was abducted? Have you guys talked about 704 00:53:30.079 --> 00:53:34.960 that at all since she shared that with you? Yeah, we talked about 705 00:53:34.960 --> 00:53:37.679 it because, like I told you, I had told my ex wife about 706 00:53:37.679 --> 00:53:45.239 this, and you know, she was understandably very skeptical because if someone like 707 00:53:45.400 --> 00:53:47.639 I am, straight up for myself, got to see it to believe it. 708 00:53:49.000 --> 00:53:52.400 Like I said, I thought Bigfoot was crap until my uncle showing me 709 00:53:52.440 --> 00:53:57.280 pictures of things that I can't say that's anything else other than Bigfoot. So 710 00:53:57.880 --> 00:54:00.840 when she called my brother right after him, was like, all right, 711 00:54:00.880 --> 00:54:06.559 tell me what happened this time, and he told her a story that's exactly 712 00:54:06.639 --> 00:54:10.199 like mine. The next time we were at my parents we were talking about 713 00:54:10.239 --> 00:54:14.639 it, and my mom said, I don't even remember that. I just 714 00:54:14.679 --> 00:54:19.119 remember that time they followed us and we lost that time, and so we 715 00:54:19.119 --> 00:54:22.320 were like, what do you think happened? This thing's fallen, y'all, 716 00:54:22.760 --> 00:54:29.760 and then you have no memory for hours, and you basically disappeared off the 717 00:54:29.760 --> 00:54:32.039 face of the earth for that time when people are trying to find you and 718 00:54:32.079 --> 00:54:37.719 they can't find you, and you come to like two miles down the road 719 00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:40.519 from where you last remember being what do you think happened here in that time? 720 00:54:40.519 --> 00:54:44.079 And she was like, I don't even want to think about it now, 721 00:54:44.280 --> 00:54:49.199 what do I think happened? One think something happened. They had to 722 00:54:49.199 --> 00:54:52.360 go somewhere. We were talking about a spot where there's like you can cover 723 00:54:52.599 --> 00:54:57.599 all the area they could possibly be in with members of the immediate family, 724 00:54:57.679 --> 00:55:02.280 much less my cousin's family two in fifteen to twenty minutes, and they didn't 725 00:55:02.280 --> 00:55:07.320 find them. And yet they show back up right there where everyone who went 726 00:55:07.400 --> 00:55:10.239 to look for them would have had to have passed them. They weren't off 727 00:55:10.239 --> 00:55:13.920 on a side road. They're literally on the road that goes to their house. 728 00:55:14.360 --> 00:55:19.239 So they went somewhere without their knowledge or memory. That's all I can 729 00:55:19.320 --> 00:55:22.159 think. I can't come up with anything else more rational than that, Like 730 00:55:22.519 --> 00:55:25.599 I could say, well, maybe you know, Jude, you drive into 731 00:55:25.599 --> 00:55:29.639 a time dilation spot and you just happen to pop out the other side, 732 00:55:29.679 --> 00:55:31.000 and you don't remember it. Because there's physics in there and that's different, 733 00:55:31.039 --> 00:55:35.960 and you don't chemically and code memories right when you're in there. Okay, 734 00:55:36.119 --> 00:55:40.000 no, that's less likely than some aliens snatching you for a minute to check 735 00:55:40.000 --> 00:55:44.119 you out. I don't know. My grandma used to say, the aliens 736 00:55:44.159 --> 00:55:46.400 must have brought you because you're way too smart to be from this family. 737 00:55:46.679 --> 00:55:49.840 Grandma, you're not very funny, and she's like, I'm not trying to 738 00:55:49.880 --> 00:55:55.039 be funny. So apparently there's been some awareness that weird crap has gone on 739 00:55:55.119 --> 00:56:00.440 around for a long time. They just don't hardly ever talk about it. 740 00:56:00.679 --> 00:56:02.760 And most of most of them are gone now, you know, like half 741 00:56:02.800 --> 00:56:07.360 of my mom's generation's gone now, so you can't even go back and ask 742 00:56:07.400 --> 00:56:12.119 them. Stay tuned for more Sasquatch Odyssey. We'll be right back after these 743 00:56:12.239 --> 00:56:21.719 messages. Yeah, that whole familial line thing has always interested me when it 744 00:56:21.719 --> 00:56:25.159 comes to the alien abductions, the implants and just seeing craft and things like 745 00:56:25.199 --> 00:56:29.480 that. It's hard for me to wrap my brain around why that is. 746 00:56:29.559 --> 00:56:34.079 But there has to be some sort of connection that we'll probably never know. 747 00:56:34.559 --> 00:56:37.760 I guess at the end of this, before we close out, I guess 748 00:56:37.760 --> 00:56:40.039 the question for me is, you are a scientist. You have a very 749 00:56:40.079 --> 00:56:44.360 scientific approach to just about everything in your life, not just your job, 750 00:56:44.400 --> 00:56:49.360 but just in general. How have you been able to rationalize that in your 751 00:56:49.400 --> 00:56:53.960 scientific brain that first the Bigfoot thing and now the alien thing and the UFOs 752 00:56:54.000 --> 00:56:58.639 and the implants. How do you rationalize that in your brain to allow you 753 00:56:58.679 --> 00:57:02.239 just to move forward and get through your everyday life knowing that these things are 754 00:57:02.280 --> 00:57:06.519 out there, but yet we haven't proven it with science yet. But how 755 00:57:06.559 --> 00:57:09.239 do you rationalize that just for yourself on a daily basis? I think what's 756 00:57:09.280 --> 00:57:20.119 always gotten me past that is not just the awareness that what we know in 757 00:57:20.239 --> 00:57:28.119 science is more or less an approximation of what we can repeatedly do in a 758 00:57:28.199 --> 00:57:32.800 laboratory setting over and over again, or what we can observe in nature freely, 759 00:57:34.239 --> 00:57:37.760 over and over again. Like you know, just the other day, 760 00:57:37.880 --> 00:57:44.559 we're finding galaxies that formed three hundred years after the Big Bank. How we 761 00:57:44.639 --> 00:57:49.639 don't know? Clearly there are some holes in our theories, And if you're 762 00:57:49.679 --> 00:57:57.960 dealing with particularly intelligent beings, some that are clearly if they're traveling the stars, 763 00:57:58.000 --> 00:58:04.119 they're clearly more advanced than we are. It's like an ant trying to 764 00:58:04.320 --> 00:58:10.559 study the scientist who's studying it. You're not the ant's not getting jack out 765 00:58:10.559 --> 00:58:15.679 of that. He's just going back and being like, this guy snatched me 766 00:58:15.840 --> 00:58:17.960 up and put me on a thing and did some things to me, and 767 00:58:19.000 --> 00:58:22.440 I don't even know what he was doing. And they're all like, yeah, 768 00:58:22.480 --> 00:58:25.440 whatever, you're crazy. It's like a fish getting caught out of it 769 00:58:25.719 --> 00:58:30.159 of a school of fish that gets thrown back by the fishermanners catching release. 770 00:58:30.760 --> 00:58:32.639 He's like, man, you would not believe what happened to me. Today. 771 00:58:34.159 --> 00:58:37.639 All the other fish think he's crazy. You know, we have throughout 772 00:58:37.719 --> 00:58:44.840 history repeated so many things. When the library at Alexandria burned down, we 773 00:58:44.920 --> 00:58:50.159 probably lost ten thousand years of human history. We don't know what we don't 774 00:58:50.159 --> 00:58:53.320 know, and what we do know is that half of what we know today 775 00:58:53.800 --> 00:58:59.280 is going to eventually be proven wrong. It might not be entirely wrong, 776 00:59:00.039 --> 00:59:04.280 but there's going to be tweaks that have to be done. Like Einstein's theory 777 00:59:04.360 --> 00:59:07.519 relativity. It took him thirty years to get that right. You know, 778 00:59:07.079 --> 00:59:12.679 it was a long time coming for the smartest guy anybody can remember being around 779 00:59:13.000 --> 00:59:15.760 to figure something out that he came up with himself. Now when he got 780 00:59:15.760 --> 00:59:22.000 that right, every time we've tested it, it's come back true. But 781 00:59:22.199 --> 00:59:27.039 that's just relativity. What that says about our ability to travel amongst the stars 782 00:59:27.039 --> 00:59:30.800 and warp space? You know, Einstein Rosenbridge wormholes are totally a thing. 783 00:59:31.559 --> 00:59:37.199 Einstein himself came up with him. So for somebody to say that we can't, 784 00:59:37.480 --> 00:59:40.360 that can't be because how can you travel the stars us don't understand physics 785 00:59:40.480 --> 00:59:44.840 very well? Did very true, man, And that's what keeps me coming 786 00:59:44.840 --> 00:59:46.760 back is the questions. You know, at the end of every interview I 787 00:59:46.840 --> 00:59:52.599 start often I have more questions than answers, but it drives me on to 788 00:59:52.679 --> 00:59:55.159 continue to talk to more people and have other people come on and share their 789 00:59:55.199 --> 01:00:00.280 experiences. And I really appreciate you coming on, man, and share what's 790 01:00:00.280 --> 01:00:02.639 happened to you and your family, and I think it's very fascinating and very 791 01:00:02.639 --> 01:00:06.960 interesting stuff. At the end of the day, I leave with more questions 792 01:00:06.960 --> 01:00:10.719 than answers, but I think it's important for you to share your experiences because 793 01:00:10.800 --> 01:00:15.079 other people are going to hear this and they're maybe going to come forward and 794 01:00:15.119 --> 01:00:19.039 share their experiences. And I think every time we gather that data and put 795 01:00:19.039 --> 01:00:22.559 that together, we all learn more collectively about what's going on to probably a 796 01:00:22.559 --> 01:00:25.920 lot more people than what comes forward and talks about it. So I really 797 01:00:25.960 --> 01:00:29.760 appreciate you coming on. I've had a blast talking to you, man. 798 01:00:29.880 --> 01:00:32.480 I appreciate you having me it's it's a lot of people have said it. 799 01:00:32.480 --> 01:00:36.840 It's cathartic. Really, you know, you kind of walking around with it 800 01:00:37.199 --> 01:00:43.440 on you your whole life, and once you'll let it out there, you 801 01:00:43.440 --> 01:00:45.960 know it's it's it's not as hard to say the next time. I guess 802 01:00:46.559 --> 01:00:52.800 is really how it goes. And you give all of us out here an 803 01:00:52.800 --> 01:00:59.480 opportunity to unburden ourselves of these things that we've walked around with. And I 804 01:00:59.519 --> 01:01:05.559 think that honestly helps tons of people who are out there who've experienced things like 805 01:01:05.679 --> 01:01:09.760 that, and I feel like they're alone until they come across something like your 806 01:01:09.760 --> 01:01:15.360 show, and that I feel like you do a great service to humanity. 807 01:01:15.480 --> 01:01:17.440 I appreciate the all love of that. Well. I definitely appreciate it. 808 01:01:17.480 --> 01:01:23.880 Man. They say, you don't gotta go home, but you can't stay. 809 01:01:29.679 --> 01:02:00.400 I don't want to be trying just try that time. Everything you call 810 01:02:00.480 --> 01:02:08.079 it baby, baby, my joy for me to stay right, to call 811 01:02:08.199 --> 01:03:22.800 it right away. I'll try for Boss James years. Toss usssss us to us jasus