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Dogmanencounters dot com Forward Slash Podcast. Tonight's

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guest is Cam Caim. Welcome to
the show. Appreciate you for having me

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big thanks Man, Well, thanks
for being here. We appreciate your time.

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Cam. Please give us a brief
bio on yourself now. I'm thirty

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one years old, father three beautiful
little girls, beautiful wife. He was

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a nurse. I was born in
Memphis, Tennessee, and lived there until

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I was probably right at eight years
old, saw something that no kid or

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adults should ever see, and my
parents had a yard sale packed everything that

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we need to take with us.
Me and my one born little sister at

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the time moved us here to north
central Mississippi, where I've lived since.

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Lived in a rental house Dad and
Grandpaul built as a house that we lived

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in for years and years on the
property where my experience was. I was

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a bad kid. I found things
that mid teens younger age that molded me

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into the man I am. I
found through the Adalysta's Defenders program, which

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was a bad kids program that I
was in with a friend of mine,

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as we were both bad. We
loved to watch fights and loved to talk

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about it. And we were in
there yammering in class one day and this

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guy named Joel who ran the program, said, Hey, man, y'all,

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don't want to sit here and listen
to us tell you how bad a

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kid you are. Then I got
a buddy who trains at a couple of

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fights, and he can just go
and go and go to him for two

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hours every hour many days, and
h he just beats you up and puts

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you through the ringer instead of having
to come sit in this classroom and hear

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about yourself. And we did that, and uh, my buddy didn't stay

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in it too long, but I
loved it for the first second. My

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dad, coincidentally, from the time
I was born, I guess my dad

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was fighting and putting on fight shows, back when it was referred to as

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human cock fighting, when it was
frowned upon. But he came to watch

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me one day and I told him
I was training. He's like, yeah,

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right, you know, And he
came and watched me and trained with

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me one day and first time he
ever told me he was out of me

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in my whole life. He's like, but I can't believe how far you've

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come and how you stuck with it. Yes, that and the other,

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And that was our bonding point.
I'd never really had a great relationship with

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my dad until then, and that
was that was our thing. Man.

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He was my coach, my manager, everything, and just being involved in

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that. And once I got good
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a little more responsible, I taught
children, which teaches you a whole

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other level of responsibility of teaching two
kids wrestling with each other. Hey,

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I know you're wrestling, but please
be careful and I don't hurt each other

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because it's a dangerous and man,
through all that, I am the man

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that I am today because of that, I've done a lot of things.

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I can train horses, love horses. I was a chef for ten years.

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I worked in a pretty high end
restaurant here in the city that I

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live in. And I started a
small business on my own here recently.

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Not doing any of those things coincidentally. But I love the hunt. I

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love the fish, always have always, as will. My family owns a

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pretty good plot of land out on
the highway where I grew up, and

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you know, it's where my experience
happened, and where I spent all my

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time running barefoot as a dirty country
kid who went to the county school,

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you know, running barefoot through the
hills and dollars of my family's property for

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years and years. Man, it's
out there barefoot with the dogs doing what

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kids, you know, should be
doing all the time. And you know,

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like I said, running around the
woods my whole life. My experience

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or my encounter didn't really discourage me
from loving the outdoors. Man, I

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don't. I don't know if there's
anything that could. You know. Of

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course I look over my shoulder,
hyper vigilant all the time, but I

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still do what I love. I
love the duck hunt. I don't get

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but fever anymore, but I still
love when the big butt walks out in

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front of you. And you know, fishing, I guess fish is a

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little different than those those things are. And I saw other than being a

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dad and and ah, just doing
random dad knowledge at my kids at the

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house. You know, those are
my Those are my hobbies. You know,

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well, those are great hobbies to
have. And it goes with that

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thing. I'm so glad to hear
that you're still able to head into the

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woods, especially after how horrific the
encounter you had was you. Thank goodness

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you can still do that. Yeah, yeah, man, I love it.

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I don't know what i'd do without
it. I don't care to play

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video games or or watch TV at
this point in my life, So I'm

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blessed to be able to still go
do those things. Yes, you are.

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Yeah, there's nothing like spending time
in the woods. Kim. The

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reason why you're here is your dog, Dallas saved you from a dogman attack

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that just might have cost you your
life if you wouldn't have intervened. Please

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tell us about Dallas. Man.
He was a he was my best friend.

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Man. Man. He was a
big dog. He was huge.

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He's kind of dog that everybody's who
won't man. He was big, imposing,

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but just a big baby. Man. My my daughters, all three

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of them, yeah you know,
eleven four two, we're uh, and

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they were all about Dallas. They
loved him. I loved him, my

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wife loved him. Everybody. I
don't know if Ivor introduced him to somebody

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who didn't love him. After getting
over the holy Craft, that's a big

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dog, you know factor. But
Dallas was a three year old one hundred

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and thirty six pound American bulldog.
I got him sent off at some point

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to uh, you know he's big, and yeah, he never met any

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harm. He was just kind of
rambunctiously slightly hard for my wife to handle

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when I wasn't around, because you
know, all he wanted was attention and

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love and did rise and his tail
could break glass or that he could knock

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kids over if he wasn't paying attention. So we sent him to some guys

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in California that did a lot of
tactical training with him, and they did

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an outstanding job. Outstanding. He
was a soldier. I mean, he

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was always like he'd defends you.
There's those dogs that will defend you without

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training. There they're one in ten
thousand, and anybody who tactically trains dogs

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will tell you that that's that's a
quote. One in ten thousand is a

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quote from somebody that I know that
trains dogs. But when I got him

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back, I went to get him
and you know, I spent two days

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there with them. They were bringing
me up to speed on his commands and

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how to handle him, and how
this and how that pretty much explained to

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me that you know, he's still
himself, he's still doubts, he's still

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your dog, he still loves you. But he is essentially a walking gun.

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If somebody hauls off and punches you
in front of him, he is

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going to bite them. He is
trained to do so, and he doesn't

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mean anything by it. He is
a protection machine. At this point,

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was like, but you know,
as long as there's no you know,

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things like that going on, he'll
be the same, rolling around on his

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back with his wiener in the air, Panton being happy type of dog that

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he always has been. And he
was, man, he definitely was.

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But it was so amazing. I
could Vic, if you and I were

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to stand in a field together,
you man Dallas, I could tell you,

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Vic, strike out, strike out, running that way, whichever way

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you want. Say. So you
me and another guy with Dallas, you

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could strike out one way. I
could let you get ahead start. I

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could send him to you, and
he's gone track to you. He's gonna

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come and he's gonna hit you.
Well, I could wait till he got

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ten feet twenty feet, however close. I want to let him get to

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you, and I could immediately in
the midst of pursuit, I could redirect

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him with the command, with a
verbal command and send him straight to another

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target, or recall him completely.
I mean, he was dude, it

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was I can those folks at such
an outstanding job. I cannot sing their

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praises and I'm not gonna name him
on here because i don't know if that's

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that's okay or not. But they
did an outstanding job. And he was

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still my best friend. You know, he was still Dallas. It was

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still my buther man, still the
dog that my that my children loved and

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cherished. And it just made me
that much more comfortable with, you know,

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not being home sometimes because at points
I had to travel for work.

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I wasn't always in the line of
work I am now, and I traveled

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and built storage units and I found
myself as far away as Wyoming sometimes.

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And you can't put a price on
knowing that, yeah, yeah, somebody

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might try to break in my house, but uh, they'll get in and

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they won't get out. My family
will be just fine. He was my

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family's protector, my best friend,
my big bubble man. I was my

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homeboy. Dallas was a true hero
in every sense of the word. Cam.

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Yeah, he really was. And
the listeners are going to understand why

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I say that when they listened to
you, suare what happened that night?

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Unfortunately? All right, Cam,
in your own good time, Please tell

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us about your encounter now, Please
take your time and give us every last

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detail that comes to mind. Please
remember, if you need to take any

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breaks, we'll do that. That's
not a problem, all right. So

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this land that my family owns that
I grew up on, it's a farm.

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It's not as much farm as it
used to be. Speak cows,

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horses, chickens, pigs, all
kind of stuff. Nowadays just chickens.

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My grandparents hold. They don't fall
with a lot anymore. But my grandmama

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had brought it to my attention that
she'd been losing a lot of chickens,

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which yeah, there's coyotes everywhere and
always had been coons, all kind of

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stuff, bobcats, whole bunch of
bob pants, diggings, And she had

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brought it to my attention that they
had been losing a lot more chickens,

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and they've been getting stirred up and
not land. My grandmama hadn't bought had

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store bought eggs in thirty five years. I mean, every time I go

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over there to see my grandparents,
I leave with a carton or two of

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eggs. They're homegrown, if you
will. And you know, she's in

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contact, good contact with the neighbors
to the right, the neighbors across the

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highway and the people who bought and
lived in the house that I grew up

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in. To the left, people
across the street. It's an elderly couple,

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not the same age as my grandparents. And they had these two dogs

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that I had known for years and
years, same Joe Bob Buddy. Both

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of them are pretty old and Uh
they had both at the same time,

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just Gonne missing, which you know
could have been crazy, as it would

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have been for both of them at
the same time to go missing and you

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know, go die from old age. Not crazy, but it's this possibility.

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But there was a fellow to the
right of my grandparents that I went

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to school with. I call him
Jason, and uh lives in this house

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at the back of my grandparents,
Passion with pond Is and Uh my dog

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who I'd had years ago, was
short dog. He had gotten loose.

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They had a female and heat,
and he sided with litter of puppies with

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this guy's female and he still had
too. And I don't know if dogs

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have twins or not. These puppies
weren't identical in physical stature, the way

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they you know, the coloration,
their tempering, everything about them. They

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were inseparable. And these dogs weren't. Man it wasn't but a handful of

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years old, you know, five, six years old, and they both

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went missing at the same time,
in the same time, and uh,

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you know, all this to me, of course, as it normally did,

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says coyotes, because my grandparents had
I remember at one point, you

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know, being that little kid that
ran around in the woods. I mean,

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I had a pack of dogs with
me. They had nine dogs,

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lest most I ever remember them having
it one time. They definitely had nine

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dogs, and uh, you know
those dogs, A couple of them were

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big, and they would go kill
kyotes. They'd go out and find a

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pack and kill one or two of
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I remember specifically one morning I came
outside, you know, this is I

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was young. I spent the night
at my grandparents' house and me and my

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grandpa were gonna go fishing. I'd
come out in this big, big black

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lab great day mixed name. They
called him j R. They are had

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had a dead coyote out there in
the yard and was hunching it. And

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that was a weird but kind of
funny sight at a young age, because

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I knew there were coyotes, but
that was a that was the first for

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me. But animals going missing normally
under an armed circumstances, especially here where

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I am, it says coyotes got
it written all over it. So I

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told my grandparents that, you know, hey, I'm gonna go. I'm

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gonna get my buddy Tyler. Uh, it's my ride or die hunting fishing

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partner, that's my dude. Man. We've been through it. We've been

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jumped by packs of hogs singular not
multipacks holls. We've been jumped on a

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hall hunt before by pack that it
was there. Man. We've we've shot

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code as that we had to go
out and finish off in the field because

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they weren't dead. Me and him
went up to a buddy's place in Canada,

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went on moose hunt and uh,
we called this boy moose in and

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man, he sees me and he
charges me and Tyler's shot this thing quartered

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him perfect, blew his front left
shoulder out at eight yards from me,

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front physically from me at eight yards. Tyler is a game time performer,

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and he is a crack shot.
He's everything you want and a buddy and

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a hunt buddy. So uh so
I called him, hey, man,

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we've got blast of yoak. Is
he ready? And he's like, yeah,

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oh yeah, let's do it.
And uh man, Dallas hasn't been

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out on an excursion of any kind
with me in a while. And he

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loved to man, He loved to
follow the four wheeler. He loved to

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go on the boat. So,
uh, I bring him with us,

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and we up out there one night
and part between the chicken coop and the

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barn, and uh, chickens seemed
all right that night. Then, Uh

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it was quiet enough up there that
they none of them were in distress.

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I didn't hear much clucking when I
when I pulled up, and uh,

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we go get the full whether load. The rifles had a little box with

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my slim JEMs dedicates and such,
and uh we strike out. And I

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believe when I in the pre interview, when I told you it was a

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ten minute ride on the full.
I was mistaken. It's a ten minute

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walk. It's about a three minute
ride on the full. Whether back to

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where we're going, and uh,
we strike out. We make the back

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pasture. You know, within a
few minutes that I was following his tongue

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hanging out, just loving it,
doing what he does. And uh we

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get set up and put the call
out in the middle of the field,

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and uh, man, it goes. It couldn't have gone any better.

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We're three, maybe three and a
half hours in and man, we've uh

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we've dropped eleven coyotes and you know
we could we could hear some you still

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hear some way off in the disc. I didn't know if we're gonna be

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able bring him in. And it's
been a left shooting, and uh we

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had plugged him, plugged him.
I was really proud of us. Man,

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not one of them, not one
of them made a run. We

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dropped every toady we shot that night
right there on the spot. None of

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them turned to pull the bullet out
like they'd been stung by nothing. Every

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one of them dropped dead right on
the spot. So, uh, I

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believe we had left two out there. I went and got one, and

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uh, it was on my way
out to get the last one, and

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uh, Dallas loses it and he
starts parking, and uh he had I

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wouldn't say separation anxiety, but he
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Whenever I would leave, no matter
where I was going, whether he thought

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I was coming back or not,
he didn't want to ask. That was

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my buther. I was his daddy. Man. He didn't want me to

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go anywhere. So he loses it
and starts barking, and man, he

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had this big, booming, intimidating
part. Man. That was one thing

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that folks who trained him in California
did not have to do. They do

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this thing called building the bart.
If your dog isn't one of those that's

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gamed and just and just ready to
learn, I mean sometimes they have to

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build the dogs, literally build his
bark. Dallas did not have that problem

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at all. He's booming, and
it's all in this pasture where and I

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guess I should have described this.
You go down this big hill and you

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open up to the pasture and you're
looking at probably what you can see when

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you're looking down this hill, there's
probably eighty yards of past year well,

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right towards the back of it is
my box stand raised up box stand.

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It's about twelve feet tall, and
then down the pasture goes down. It's

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total end to end. It's probably
two hundred and fifty yards or so.

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A big tree in the middle of
it. Past is probably seventy yards across.

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I'd say, and I'm out there, you know, a little ways

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out, and I don't remember how
far the shot was, but it's last

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Cody, you go pick him up. Dallas goes crazy and I turned around

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to till it because you know,
they were obviously still Cody's huh. And

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I didn't have to scare him because
if they weren't but a couple, they

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weren't coming in with his name,
you know, with embarking like that is

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what happened. I turned around Tyler
and I was like, hey, you

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clash, and I told him a
stalis leave it, and he would not

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have it. What have it?
Man? So I turned and he's looking.

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It was also he was looking past
me. So I turned and I

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look, and I'm looking way down
the range towards the far end of the

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past year that butts up to the
there's a big gravel company or property butts

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up too, and I'm looking down
there and I can see almost to the

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fence even my hoesight, and good, it was really bright that night.

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Move went full but there's plenty light. Perfect and uh, honestly, we

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might could have made some shots without
thermal scopes. Irresponsible, that would have

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been just that right. So I
take a look and then it's it's something

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moving. But at that point we
blasted coaties and you know, in my

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mind it's it's maybe a haul,
and maybe it's two coties next to each

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other, or you know, a
big buck. And after a second,

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I was like, nah, it's
definitely not a big book made it down

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over there. We've fired eleven rounds, you know, between two high powered

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rifles carrying a buck anywhere near here. Right now they're gone, and uh,

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you know, if there was one
bedded down in the thicket where they

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did bed down over to our right. Occasionally, I was like, now's

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he's out of here, so I'm
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And this is you know, he
calmed down when I came back to him,

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So for a second I figured maybe
he had seen what was down there,

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but maybe it was just hey,
daddy, come back. You know

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where are you going? Don't leave
me here with Uncle Tyler. But I

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asked, illis man's what's down there? Can you see anything? He pulls

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his rifle up, pulls up to
forty three and uh he's looking through his

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thirm and he's like, ah,
something down man, looks like it might

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be a little big. I don't
know what it is, and uh,

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let me see. Hansley is gone. I take a look, and again

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I can't make it out. I
can still so I can see about the

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same thing I could, except it's
thermal now and uh whatever. So that

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was calm down, and he's pulling
my leg. He's this big baby.

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Hey, Daddy paid attention to me. You know, I warned you.

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You know, hey, give me
some love. Man. I take an

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egg and I'm like, hey,
man, can shut up, blockhead.

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And we're trying to say Grandmama's chickens
can't be making all that racket, you

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know, something like that, and
Tyler looks again. He takes his scope

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of his again, he's like,
whatever it is ain't down there. That's

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tie told thus more times to be
quiet. So uh we go and we

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get back prone and we're laying almost
up under my box stand, and uh,

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Dallas would lay down. It wouldn't
like that, which was not like

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him. But you know, it
wasn't a big deal when like he was

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kind of colder to the full wheel, or when he was behind it just

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a little bit where we had made
him sit, and Uh, I was

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like, hey, whatever, man
sit there, no matter to me.

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Well, I don't know a minute
or so, however long goes by and

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I hear something. I'm sorry Dallas
was doing. I don't know if anybody's

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ever seen. It's not just bull
breezes to do it, but they do

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it a lot like if you've ever
seen your dog tried to pinpoint where something

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is that they hear, they stopped
there their painting and they'll they'll close their

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mouth and get real quiet, and
they'll no onder the look. They'll turn

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their head, they try to get
a lock on it with their ears.

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And he was doing that. Well
at that point, I didn't hear anything.

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So I looked over Tyler the quin, I say, man, do

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anything. It's now well about that
time up and again we're laying under this

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box stand looking down range. We
got the whole whole pasture almost in front

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of us. There's twenty or thirty
yards back behind us that we weren't using.

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The shooting that was about that.
But uh, man, something comes

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through the leaves up on top of
the ridge. It's twenty one hundred probably

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closer to one hundred and fifty yards
up the hill, up up the hill

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to our left, and uh it's
not moving terribly fast, but it's absolutely

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coming in our direction. And in
my mind, yeah, my Grandpa said,

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have horses anymore. But I was
sitting there thinking what it could be,

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and I was like, oh,
dear horse, you know way man

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horses. Well, uh, it
doesn't take but a few seconds. It

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makes that distance and it stops right
back inside the tree line. Can't really

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make it out, just quite,
but there's enough light where I can see

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an outline and it's man, it's
big, like it's really big, and

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I can hear pint and first second
I thought it was Dallas, but I

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looked over at Dallas has his mouthwood, he's doing that listening things. And

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uh, now I look over at
Tyler and he's transfixed. Dude. Where

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both just kind of dumped out of
it with the system. Man, it

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moves out just a little bit more
still inside of the tree line, but

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the light catches it. And no, Joe, this is you laugh at

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me if you want to. But
I had a reason and I'll explain it.

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I'm like, that's a hyaen that
is wait, sorry, And to

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explain that. There was a family
that lived not just directly across the highway,

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but across the highway there was like
a like another road. It was

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across the highway to the right.
Well. I used to run down this

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road and one day one morning when
I was jogging, I was younger,

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this was years and years ago.
I'll run down this road and they always

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had beautiful horses over there, beautiful
horses. And one day there is an

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entire herd of zebra in the field. It's like thirty zebra. And I

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stopped and was like what these folks. I was like, man, some

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folks just got more money and they
know what to do with I guess anyway,

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my rationale in that moment, you
know, because when people don't understand

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this, but your mind, the
human mind will absolutely do everything within its

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own power subconsciously to yourself to rationalize
something. If you can't consciously sit there

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and rationalize what it is so in
my mind of like these idiots have bought

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behind with their exotic animal time,
and that that is what's gotten loose and

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has killed people's dogs, and that
might be what's been disturbing my grandmama's shickets.

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And uh, man, I swear
I was fishing to turn and tell

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Tom because I mean, you know, even in that moment, that was

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ridiculous to me. But like I
said, your mind will rationalize, and

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that was all I had at that
moment. But I turned to look at

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Tyler, and man, he's he's
wide eyed, like legitimately wide eye.

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And I turned back and as soon
as I turn back, I see it

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raise and I didn't take me a
half second draws, but it stands on

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two legs. It stands up.
And I glanced back at Tyler for just

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a second, and dude, he
is you know, we're both grown man,

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and man, I fear nobody learned
to fight properly at a young age.

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Taught me not only that you don't
have to fight, you know,

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there's there's a way around violence,
especially when you're confident in your in your

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ability to handle it. But man, it, you know, I just

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got it. Gave me this real
sense of of you know, steely confidence

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in myself and everything and everything that
I do. But man, right there

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in that moment, I knew Tyler
was afraid, and I dare say that

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I was afraid to nervous. I
believe the word I used to Vic was

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nervous, and the preview, I'll
go ahead and admit that I was.

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I was a little scared. And
you know, it's lots of I've heard

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lots of lots of people on Vic's
show because I discovered the show, and

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that's what gave me the the idea
that, hey man, this is an

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outlet where people will believe my story, where I can tell it without feeling

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like a fool. But man,
it's uh. I loved Wear Wolves and

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they were terrified. They scared the
crap out of me. But man,

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and Harry Potter, the third Harry
Potter movie, when that Wear Wolves,

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when Professor Loupan turns into the world, I mocked that it didn't look real,

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you know, it didn't look like
scary movies that I had seen.

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And I made fun of that,
but that was because I had seen lots

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of them, and I loved Van
Helsing. I loved an American Werewolf in

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London. My dad let me watch
that movie when I was young, and

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it scared the crap out of me. But you know, it was still

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good, Bad Moon and sud I
mean, I loved them, but uh,

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you know, right right there in
that moment when that thing stood up

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like it did and I realized that
it was indeed bipedal, I knew exactly

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what I was seeing, and my
mind didn't have to try to rational any

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longer because I had been through that
phase thinking it was eye, you know,

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because the it was just stamp so
weird. It was on all fours

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at first, so strange looking.
But then man, I knew exactly what

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I was looking at, and uh
man, it was just like that's not

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real, Like that's not real,
but it was real, and uh,

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I mean, that's that's just not
something you're ever mentally prepared to deal with,

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you know. I mean, if
somebody could have told me that that's

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what it was and it was coming, and I still don't know how I

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would have processed that. But man, this thing it was huge, huge,

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man Like, so it walks out
and I have a gauge of how

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big it was. Somewhat it walks
out. I'm sorry before it walks out,

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I told Tyler, because we're standing
at this point. We are standing,

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and I've got a hold of Dallas's
rope and his least. But before

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I had laid down, I had
tied like a loose square knot onto the

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back rack of the full wheel.
Well, we stand up and I looked

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at Tyler and he said, dude, what is that. I didn't have

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a chance to answer. I mean, I guess I had a chance answer,

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But all I told him was,
dude, if that thing makes one

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move towards us, I want you
to shoot Afower's got he's got two forty

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three at bolt action two forty three. It's you know, it's decent deer

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rifle and stuff like that. You
don't ever ever take into account that you

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might have to shoot something like that, something so large, because we're in

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Mississippi, we don't have there are
black bears, there are very few and

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far between. Population is increasing,
but you don't count on when you go

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out having to shoot a black bear
or anything of comparable size. Well,

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00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:37,599
my rifle, which was the rounding
three to eight, my grandfather gave me.

409
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:38,559
It was his. You know,
it's forty years old. It's a

410
00:27:38,599 --> 00:27:45,079
perfect condition. I'll pick it up. And uh, man, this thing

411
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,880
turns and walks out to its left, all right, And it didn't close

412
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:56,319
any distance between us. It was
it was almost like not I would say

413
00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:03,480
curiosity, but I don't. I'm
not sure if something that that sinister evil

414
00:28:03,839 --> 00:28:10,480
can have true curiosity, to be
honest. But it walks out. And

415
00:28:10,559 --> 00:28:12,079
this tree that I mentioned way back
in the middle of the passion, there's

416
00:28:12,079 --> 00:28:15,880
a branch hanging down off this tree
that I know for a fact. It's

417
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:21,119
between seven and eight feet tall.
And this thing was on par with that

418
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:26,920
branch, absolutely on par with that
branch. And look when it stood up,

419
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:30,640
Dallas lost his lost his wig.
Man, he goes to bark in

420
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:37,400
an acting pool. Well, it
walks out, and Tyler told me once

421
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,680
it stopped, and it seemed like
forever had gone by. And really,

422
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,440
man, I mean it couldn't have
been. It couldn't have been twenty seconds

423
00:28:44,519 --> 00:28:49,200
or so realistically thinking back on it
now. But I heard Tyler he say,

424
00:28:49,279 --> 00:28:52,920
man, yeah, I'm sent around
at this thing. And he was

425
00:28:52,039 --> 00:28:55,519
nervous, like his voice was shaken. He said, can I'm fix to

426
00:28:55,519 --> 00:28:56,400
send around at him? I was
like, no, no, And before

427
00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:00,519
I could get it out, Tyler
shoots and he drills it in the chest.

428
00:29:00,559 --> 00:29:03,319
It was high on the left.
He was aiming for the hert or.

429
00:29:03,359 --> 00:29:06,519
I guess where he thought the heart
would be on a human because through

430
00:29:06,519 --> 00:29:11,759
this thing it's I don't believe it
was as human like as most people,

431
00:29:11,799 --> 00:29:15,680
and its physical structure as lots of
people that I've heard give accounts of,

432
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,599
had big shoulders, long arms that
were definitely longer from elbow to the end

433
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:26,920
of its fingers, which it was
absolutely fingers, so so strange. Man.

434
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:30,240
Even now I've been there and done
that scene, it process all that.

435
00:29:30,319 --> 00:29:34,920
It's fingers. There's no other word
for fingers on a hand had pause

436
00:29:36,039 --> 00:29:38,279
and I can't tell you if they
were three inches or four inches or how

437
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:47,079
big, very big yellow eyes.
If you've ever seen Supernatural, I just

438
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:52,559
love that show. In the beginning, the demon that killed Sam and Dean's

439
00:29:52,559 --> 00:29:56,279
mom, his name is is Azel. They referred to him, I don't

440
00:29:56,319 --> 00:29:57,240
know. I don't remember if they
didn't know the name or what they referred

441
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:02,240
to him for the first long shoe
as yellow eyes. Man, those were

442
00:30:02,279 --> 00:30:07,680
the same exact eyes. And as
I'm realizing this, I realize that the

443
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,079
moon is like quartered to this sting. It's not, and it's not in

444
00:30:11,119 --> 00:30:17,839
his face. The eyes had like
almost a shine in and of themselves,

445
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:22,640
and uh, man, Tyler blasts
the stain. Dude, he blasts,

446
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,880
and as soon as he did,
I dumped all five rounds. I hit

447
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:27,799
him twice. I know I hit
him twice. I heard it. But

448
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,759
uh he struck out, And man, it was so fast. Dude,

449
00:30:30,799 --> 00:30:34,720
he made the tree line so quick, and he'd probably come I say,

450
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,880
he might have come out twenty five
yards between, because this tree isn't dead

451
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,119
in the middle of this pasture.
He probably made it, I don't know,

452
00:30:41,359 --> 00:30:45,240
twenty twenty five yards from the tree
line to this single tree that he

453
00:30:45,279 --> 00:30:48,079
walked out to. And when we
shot him, he runs back to the

454
00:30:48,119 --> 00:30:52,759
trees and he's fly. Hear it
side because you know, it's the very

455
00:30:52,759 --> 00:30:56,920
beginning of December, and even here
in Mississippi it's still warmer. There.

456
00:30:56,359 --> 00:30:59,279
There's still a bunch of leaves on
the ground. They're not all dead yet.

457
00:30:59,319 --> 00:31:00,319
There's still leaves on the trees.
You can see through a lot of

458
00:31:00,319 --> 00:31:03,799
it, but there was plenty of
groundcover, and he slid right through it.

459
00:31:03,839 --> 00:31:08,680
I heard him, Tyler, and
I'm not going to use the exact

460
00:31:08,759 --> 00:31:12,359
words that I used because they were
experts involved. But I turned around and

461
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,720
I pussed Tyler like a dog for
about two three seconds for sud I thought.

462
00:31:18,039 --> 00:31:21,160
I tried to tell him not to. We hops on the four with

463
00:31:21,319 --> 00:31:22,880
it, and he and he starts
it up and he turns the lights.

464
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:27,079
He's fun. He stands around and
as soon as the lights hit this thing,

465
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:32,960
man, it will I'm talking like
shoulders back rules. And it was

466
00:31:33,039 --> 00:31:37,640
not the how this raspy how that
I that I've heard about. I mean,

467
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,319
I if that's what you call it, that's not what I would have

468
00:31:40,359 --> 00:31:44,559
called it. It was so loud, man, it was deafeningly loud.

469
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,880
And uh man. As soon as
it does that, Dallas loses it again.

470
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,680
He loses it again. I don't
remember at what point he stopped.

471
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,039
I guess the gunshots kind of kind
of shocked him a second and he'd stopped.

472
00:31:55,079 --> 00:31:56,400
But as soon as it does,
he does it again. Dude.

473
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,440
I had as soon as my as
soon as I had emptied all around out

474
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,319
of my three o eight, I
don't ever have used my farrest, but

475
00:32:02,359 --> 00:32:06,279
I dropped it and in my in
my I was wearing my my duck hunting

476
00:32:06,279 --> 00:32:08,400
waiters because when I go hunting,
I like to wear them with thermal underneath

477
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:13,839
them, because they're just as warm
as my coveralls. But they don't give

478
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,839
you that swishing sound like my coveralls, just like you're wearing a windbreaker or

479
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,599
something. They're much quieter, and
I prefer those. And they have this

480
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,559
really nice front chest pocket that works
really well as a whole stre I had

481
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:30,119
dropped that Paul my Smith and Wesson
forty, which is putting the nag one

482
00:32:30,119 --> 00:32:32,400
in the chamber, and I hadn't
fired around of it, did not shoot

483
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:37,799
around out of it because the thing
retreated created distance between us, even though

484
00:32:37,839 --> 00:32:40,680
it stops. Well. Man Tyler's
like, dude, we got to get

485
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,720
to the truck. He turns to
me, and he yells, we got

486
00:32:43,759 --> 00:32:46,319
to get to the truck. I
picked it with one arm. I picked

487
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:50,240
Dallas up. I had slung my
three weight over my shoulder best I could.

488
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,599
I'm holding a pistol on my right
hand. I've got Dallas in the

489
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,519
left hand, and I as quickly
as I could undone. Thank god,

490
00:32:54,559 --> 00:32:58,599
I left that square knot semi loose, and Dallas would have had to snatch

491
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,240
that rope in order to you know, to sense it. I reached down

492
00:33:01,279 --> 00:33:04,160
on and do it. I picked
him up and I get on the floor

493
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,160
that I told Tyler, and I
mean, I've got a hold of him,

494
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,039
man, because I'm gonna tell you
right now, dude. Man,

495
00:33:08,079 --> 00:33:10,599
Dallas, like I said, he
was a soldier. He was ready for

496
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,240
war at any and all the time. Man, if you threaten somebody,

497
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:20,039
he loves it's it's not good.
Tyler tells me that we have to make

498
00:33:20,079 --> 00:33:23,519
it to the truck. Well,
at that point, I ended Dallas's rope

499
00:33:24,279 --> 00:33:30,119
and I hop on the four wheler
with Dallas and my pistol, and I

500
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:31,119
was like, hey, man,
go don't look back, don't stop,

501
00:33:31,119 --> 00:33:34,440
don't slow down. And he says, wait to do hold camp. He's

502
00:33:34,519 --> 00:33:36,519
leaving. He's leaving. Look,
he's hot, teling, He's out of

503
00:33:36,519 --> 00:33:38,640
here. He's gone. I turn
around and this thing is I mean,

504
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:43,400
he's he's blasting up this hill.
He goes out of sight really quick,

505
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,160
but we can still hear it.
Well, he's crossing over the top of

506
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:49,160
this hill. And I know exactly
like I said, unless he went over

507
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,759
the top of the hill and immediately
turned and went somewhere else in the direction

508
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,880
he was going. He was headed
straight for the pine tree thicket on the

509
00:33:55,920 --> 00:34:00,519
back of our property, where I've
got a couple of lock on your stance,

510
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,920
I know exactly where he was heading. Well, we're we touch our

511
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:07,640
breath for a second. And I
turned to Dallas and then I hugged his

512
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,519
neck because dude, and and and
a few of those moments, you know,

513
00:34:09,519 --> 00:34:14,519
it was my self preservation instincts for
really what was going. But it

514
00:34:14,559 --> 00:34:17,599
did absolutely cross my mind that,
hey, you cannot let Dallas get loose.

515
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,599
That would have been at man,
He's Dallas is a big dog.

516
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:23,519
He was a bad dude, you
know, he was a soldier. But

517
00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:28,880
man, there was no way in
the world that he could have hung one

518
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:30,679
on one to sting. And there
was probably no way in the world that

519
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:35,199
I could have saved him. And
that was that was terrifying. That was

520
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:39,320
true terror. I mean, that's
just you know, but man, that

521
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:44,440
was you know, and in my
in my relief, I just yeah,

522
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,320
I hugged and was like bah blah, love you, thank you, you

523
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,159
know, I mean, he was
he was ready to let it down for

524
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,559
us. Man with with no hesitation. He was so game, so ready,

525
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,639
and uh, I was like,
dude, I would die for you,

526
00:34:54,679 --> 00:35:01,480
bro, I love so much.
And uh yeah, man, Tyler

527
00:35:01,559 --> 00:35:05,679
did. It wasn't a lot said, you know what I said in that

528
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,440
moment. But after a few seconds, soon we agreed, like, hey,

529
00:35:08,519 --> 00:35:12,800
let's let's go. Let's get out
here quick. Man. We left

530
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,480
every single one of those eleven coyoders
we had. We had kind of kind

531
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,920
of a pile like right there by
us, like kind of not under my

532
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,719
standings, we had been laying almost
up under it. But uh, we

533
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:24,920
left every one of them everything one
of them, didn't didn't bother with him,

534
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:29,280
didn't think about him again, nothing, And uh man, we get

535
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,239
on the flow and I'm old Dallas. You know, he followed us on

536
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,159
foot on the way end because he
loves too. But man, there was

537
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,719
and I know at this moment,
this thing is going so there's no way

538
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,159
in the world that that it's going
to come back in my mind at that

539
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,480
moment. But I was also there's
also no way in the world that I

540
00:35:43,519 --> 00:35:45,840
was going to let him go and
let him follow us on foot, because

541
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:46,880
man, if that thing were to
show up again. He made a b

542
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:51,000
line for it like there was.
I wouldn't have been able to stop him,

543
00:35:51,039 --> 00:35:52,559
nothing like his you know, I
couldn't stop him when he was barking.

544
00:35:52,639 --> 00:35:57,679
And as training is, that normally
was not a thing. If I

545
00:35:57,679 --> 00:36:00,280
if I say leave it, that
was it. That was it into it

546
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:04,599
anyway, we uh man, we
make the hill that comes down into the

547
00:36:04,639 --> 00:36:07,000
pasture. We break into the tree
tunnel. And that that tree tunnel has

548
00:36:07,039 --> 00:36:10,039
always been kind of creepy. I
always had to go through it going to

549
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:15,760
or from my favorite stand, and
uh man, that night it had never

550
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,559
been so creepy is that night?
And and I bet we're on a four

551
00:36:19,559 --> 00:36:22,360
where there's two of us, a
big dog and a couple of firearms,

552
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,360
and you know, du that was
just you don't ever expect something like that,

553
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,719
and you don't recover immediately from something
like that. So man, I'm

554
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,719
my head's on a swivel. I
got a firm hole of Dallas Tyler's flying.

555
00:36:34,679 --> 00:36:37,679
We break the tree tunnel, we
make the ridge that's up the hill

556
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:42,880
from the old hay barn, and
uh we're we're coming up on I can

557
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,280
see and you know, this is
just a couple of minutes. There's not

558
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,960
much time between the between these at
all, and uh, I see the

559
00:36:49,039 --> 00:36:52,880
old chicken coop, which is kind
of like the marker that she's broken past,

560
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,360
all the buildings and structures my grandfather
has up on the front of the

561
00:36:55,400 --> 00:37:00,400
property. Well, I can see
my truck. We're within I believe.

562
00:37:00,559 --> 00:37:04,039
I think it's probably closer to forty
yards. I believe I told Vic and

563
00:37:04,079 --> 00:37:07,599
the pre interview we were sixty yards
out. I believe it's probably closer to

564
00:37:07,679 --> 00:37:13,880
forty. And we break through the
tree tunnel, hit that ridge and we're

565
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,199
coming past the old chicken coop and
man, out of nowhere, I hear

566
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:21,480
it again and it's right there that
war and dude, my ears rang,

567
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:28,360
and man, that was that was
it for a second, because next thing

568
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,760
I know, Man, everything's everything's
muffled, like my hearing's muffled. I

569
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:36,440
can't really see my visions. Boy, and I'm conscious that the left side

570
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,760
of my face is on the ground. And I hear what sounds like two

571
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:45,360
dogs fighting, and I hear Tyler
screaming, and right then I realized immediately

572
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:49,000
that oh my god, no,
Dallas is tied up with this thing.

573
00:37:49,039 --> 00:37:51,639
Man. So I've reached around for
my pistol. I can't find it.

574
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,800
I can't hardly see either. But
I'm sweeping through the dirt and I cannot

575
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,599
find it. So I stand up
and I managed to make my feet and

576
00:37:58,599 --> 00:38:09,039
man, I turn around and I
look and and uh and this thing has

577
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:20,159
this thing has Dallas. Oh,
and this thing has Dallas in his hands.

578
00:38:21,159 --> 00:38:24,800
And he's not fighting anymore. Man, he's done. And uh,

579
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:35,400
man I was he had rolled my
bell. Man, he had rolled my

580
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:42,440
bell. And I found out.
I found out later. I just talked

581
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,880
to Tyler not too long before this
interview. But man, he had knocked

582
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:51,840
me out. I was completely unconscious
for several seconds, like ten seconds or

583
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:57,000
so. And when I hit aggresses
the thing, it hit me directly,

584
00:38:57,119 --> 00:39:01,280
like he slammed himself into me,
rolled the wheeler. Tyler falls, eye

585
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:06,159
fall. Then he knocked me like
ten feet. He knocked me a good

586
00:39:06,199 --> 00:39:08,639
ten feet, man, and he
was almost on top of me. He

587
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,519
was almost dead on top of because
Tyler, he didn't touch twer. Tyler

588
00:39:12,559 --> 00:39:15,400
just kind of fell and spun and
landed on his butt. Tyler looks,

589
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:19,639
and this thing is almost on me, and Dallas comes from no. As

590
00:39:19,679 --> 00:39:22,920
soon as his feet hit the ground. Dallas comes from nowhere, and I'm

591
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,039
like a missile. Man. He
latches on up underneath the left side of

592
00:39:25,039 --> 00:39:29,360
this thing, up under its ribs
and just gets a mouth full. And

593
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,679
man, it turned and slung him
and slung him and it went, couldn't

594
00:39:31,679 --> 00:39:36,920
get him off. It reaches back
with both hands and grabs him and snatches

595
00:39:37,039 --> 00:39:44,679
him and just snatches him off.
And and uh, Tyler said it bit

596
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,519
him, grabbed him and picked him
up, and it sank teeth in him

597
00:39:46,519 --> 00:39:53,679
twice. Man. About that time, I guess is when I was getting

598
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:58,719
up and uh man, this is
the first thing that I see, Man

599
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:00,880
is Dallas, and he's duty.
He was not fighting anymore. That sound

600
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:06,119
was gonna. I'd heard them clear
as day fighting. I mean, if

601
00:40:06,119 --> 00:40:12,519
you've heard two dogs fight, it's
pretty brutal. But uh man, he

602
00:40:12,639 --> 00:40:15,119
was done. Man, he wasn't
fighting anymore. And right there in that

603
00:40:15,199 --> 00:40:21,280
moment, Man, I was shocked, was the first thing, because I

604
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:22,639
mean, in being dizzy, I
mean, he had knocked me completely out

605
00:40:23,039 --> 00:40:25,920
and my bell was still wrong.
But man, on top of everything,

606
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:30,599
what came through really really fast,
Man, I got mash like I was

607
00:40:30,679 --> 00:40:37,000
in a rage, just completely overcome
with rage like I have never felt in

608
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,320
my entire life. In the pre
interview, I told Vick about one instance,

609
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:45,840
which I want the vulte here because
it's you know, stupid, But

610
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:50,159
there was one time in my life
when I felt that type of this absolute

611
00:40:50,599 --> 00:40:55,920
hatred and anger. But man I, Man, I streamed at that thing

612
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,880
and dude, we're I mean,
we're twenty feet apart, me and the

613
00:41:00,039 --> 00:41:01,880
thing, or look at each other
dead in the face. We're twenty feet

614
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:06,159
apart. And you know, there's
there have been times when I've been listening

615
00:41:06,199 --> 00:41:13,360
to people come on Gates platform and
they say things like this thing communicated with

616
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:22,280
me telepathically, or it it it
uh, it gave me this feeling of

617
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:29,199
dread or despair or anything. Man
I didn't. I didn't get that this

618
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:35,280
thing didn't communicate with me telepathically.
But man, we're directly look at each

619
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,639
other and each other. I was
staring each other down and it was almost

620
00:41:37,679 --> 00:41:40,599
like he was saying, come on, boy, come on boy, come

621
00:41:40,639 --> 00:41:44,880
closer. And I did. Man
I, Dude, I didn't have a

622
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:49,400
gun, I didn't have anything.
I had nothing but what God gave me,

623
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,039
man, and I was I was
gonna do everything. I could.

624
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:59,280
I don't know. Hey, Kim, let's take a break. Let's take

625
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:04,159
a break. You know you're fine. You're fine. We'll be right back,

626
00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:20,280
all right, Cam, take your
time, there's no rush. Whenever

627
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:27,719
you're ready, please continue. Uh
yeah, Man, I turned this guy

628
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,440
him, and it was looking at
me and it was almost like it was

629
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,239
saying, you know, come on, boy, like it was challenging me

630
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:37,599
or something. And uh and I
screamed and I struck out. And like

631
00:42:37,639 --> 00:42:39,079
I said, I didn't have a
gun. I didn't have nothing, don't

632
00:42:39,079 --> 00:42:44,960
have anything, and uh, eydsight, man, i'd have died right there.

633
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,760
You know, I didn't stand a
chance. But man, he had

634
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:52,199
my bubble, man, dude,
and uh, you know I had to

635
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,719
do something. I struck out.
Man, I struck out towards him,

636
00:42:57,599 --> 00:43:00,400
and I'm screaming at him and he's
looking at me in my face like we're

637
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,159
we are. We never took our
eyes off of each other, not for

638
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:06,559
not for a second. And man, as I get closer, dude,

639
00:43:06,599 --> 00:43:14,599
heah yim yah. Man, he
raises Dallas up over his head and swams

640
00:43:14,679 --> 00:43:25,079
him and man, I heard him
break, man like, and I knew

641
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,840
I knew he was gone. Man, I knew he was gone like there

642
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:32,800
was you know, but when you're
you know when you're and I you know,

643
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:38,400
I only speak from that one that
experience, but when when you're that

644
00:43:38,559 --> 00:43:42,480
mad man, it didn't stop me, Like, it did not stop me

645
00:43:42,559 --> 00:43:46,960
at all. And uh, I
never broke stride. I was still on

646
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:51,239
my way there. And man,
he's let go of Dallas. He's on

647
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,719
the ground and he's still looking at
me. He never stopped looking at me.

648
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:59,880
And like I said, it never
occurred to me when I was going

649
00:43:59,960 --> 00:44:01,480
to do or what I could have
done or couldn't have done, or that

650
00:44:01,599 --> 00:44:06,480
I was probably gonna die. But
you know, I get. I mean,

651
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,239
I'm dude, I get within ten
feet. There's no way I wasn't

652
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:15,280
within ten feet. And from behind
me, manoo, Tyler had found my

653
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,079
rifle and I don't know where it
was because I never saw it. I

654
00:44:17,119 --> 00:44:20,519
never saw my pistol, I didn't
see anything. I saw the pool wheeler

655
00:44:20,519 --> 00:44:22,519
when I stood up, and it
was upside down, like several feet away.

656
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:29,320
But uh, Tyler had fired every
single round out of my rifle from

657
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,519
the hip and hit this thing five
times, every single one. I Dude,

658
00:44:34,039 --> 00:44:37,440
Tyler almost shot me. He really
did. He almost shot me,

659
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:43,159
and you know, still thankful for
it, I guess. But uh,

660
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,519
man, this thing that kind of
it didn't how but it was it was

661
00:44:46,559 --> 00:44:50,519
kind of like that roar. It
was like a screech with that roar.

662
00:44:50,639 --> 00:44:53,119
Man, And uh, I knew
he hurt him. I knew he was

663
00:44:53,199 --> 00:44:58,480
hurt. But man, it turns
and it runs, and I'm you know,

664
00:44:58,519 --> 00:45:01,519
I'm still in a fit of rage. Man, I'm still just uncontrollably

665
00:45:01,559 --> 00:45:07,119
angry. And the only thing in
my mind, you know, it's stupid,

666
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,840
as as idiotic as it was.
It did not occur to me in

667
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:15,559
that moment that it was just that. But the only thing on my mind

668
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:17,599
was that I was so mad that
he was going to get away. I

669
00:45:17,679 --> 00:45:21,599
was not going to ca There's no
way in hell I can catch him,

670
00:45:21,599 --> 00:45:25,760
no way in the world. And
uh, I screamed and I called him

671
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:30,360
a coward. I called I can't
say everything I called him, but I

672
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:31,639
told him to come back. I
screamed at him, man, and he

673
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:37,559
you know, that thing never checked
up. He was gone, and uh

674
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:43,480
and I turned around and Dallas is
on the ground. Man, he's still

675
00:45:43,519 --> 00:45:46,960
there in that one spot. And
I knew he was gone. I knew

676
00:45:47,679 --> 00:45:57,079
he was dead, man, but
uh, I'll run to him and I

677
00:45:57,199 --> 00:46:00,599
put my hand under his head and
I'm picking the head up. Man.

678
00:46:00,639 --> 00:46:08,079
He was bleeding everywhere and uh uh
you know at that time, I guess

679
00:46:08,119 --> 00:46:15,079
my adrenaline don't was gone, and
all that being so mad was kind of

680
00:46:15,119 --> 00:46:21,079
starting to subside, and I just
screamed. Man, I screamed at the

681
00:46:21,079 --> 00:46:24,400
top of my lungs. And that's
that's the last thing I remember. If

682
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:29,400
I woke up on my back with
Tyler. He had his hands under my

683
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:34,039
head holding it up off the ground. My nose was bleeding. I passed

684
00:46:34,039 --> 00:46:38,920
out and uh passed out and hit
my face on the ground, and Tyler

685
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:40,400
told me, he was like,
man, you need to be still.

686
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:45,880
Throw your arms breaking and uh it
turns out it was was broken. Took

687
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:54,599
places and uh he had taken Dallas. Let me lay in there. Let

688
00:46:54,599 --> 00:46:59,519
me lay in there, taking Dallas
and put him in the bed of my

689
00:46:59,559 --> 00:47:05,440
truck and fished my keys out of
my chest pocket and uh, and he

690
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:10,639
helped me out. I walked to
the truck, Dallas, is he's in

691
00:47:10,639 --> 00:47:15,079
there. He turned the cab the
bed light on and he was still there.

692
00:47:15,159 --> 00:47:19,239
Man was you know, those those
few feet to the say few fit

693
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:23,320
powerful west to the truck. I
had some hope that maybe he'd have his

694
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,960
head up looking at me. When
I got to the truck. He wasn't.

695
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,960
Man, he was gone, and
uh he was so broken, man

696
00:47:31,119 --> 00:47:37,639
everything. I didn't even want to
touch him. But uh, Tyler ed

697
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:42,440
he had, I guess at some
point picked up my pistol and he brought

698
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,440
it to the truck and set it
on the tailgate, and uh, I

699
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:54,880
was rubbing Dallas is here? Many
yeah, man, all over again,

700
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,960
all over again, just that quick, as soon as as quick as it

701
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,239
happened first time, I was mad
all over again. Man. I snatched

702
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:07,639
that pistol and I racked one,
which you know, in hindsight, there

703
00:48:07,679 --> 00:48:10,079
wasn't anything in the chambers at first
shot. I would have gone to shoot

704
00:48:10,079 --> 00:48:14,800
if I had to defend myself.
There wouldn't been anything there. And I

705
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:16,400
strike out, and I'm walking straight
because I didn't know where he went,

706
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:21,360
but I know that he cut off
through the trees that that lead. You

707
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,519
know, we took a trail down
to that pasture we ran and uh,

708
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:28,800
you know, if there was a
spot a trail through these trees, that

709
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:30,480
would lead straight back to that passion. He had gone right back down that

710
00:48:30,519 --> 00:48:35,159
way, as you know, as
as best as I can remember. And

711
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:39,320
uh, I sensed that pistol and
I struck out walking and Tyler was hollering

712
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:44,320
for me. He's I can't stop, damn come here, stop and then

713
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:45,440
he ran up behind me. And
you know, my, my, my

714
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:49,360
waiters that I wear, and they've
got the shoulder straps, like the dope

715
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,239
crow shoulder straps. And he walked
up and he grabbed it and I turned

716
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:57,480
around. I smacked his almost like
get the off meat, and uh and

717
00:48:57,519 --> 00:49:00,159
he let me go and I made
a few more steps and he hollered me.

718
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,119
He's like you want, He said, you want? You want your

719
00:49:02,199 --> 00:49:07,519
daughters and he said you want your
daughters to lose their daddy in Dallas,

720
00:49:07,519 --> 00:49:14,000
both in one night. And uh, man, I stopped. H this

721
00:49:14,119 --> 00:49:19,400
is lost, man, I cried, and uh, you know, there's

722
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:28,719
not really my GUH told do I
guess? But uh, yeah, I

723
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:35,599
took a minute. We took a
minute, and uh that wer helped me

724
00:49:35,639 --> 00:49:38,400
in the truck, and uh,
you know, at some point I'd realized,

725
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,400
like, hey, I'm gotta go, I'm gotta go, tell Grandpa,

726
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:44,679
I mean, we're at the bar
and we're not far from that this.

727
00:49:45,159 --> 00:49:47,280
If my grandpa had been outside,
he'd heard everything at this point,

728
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,679
and it's like one o'clock, you
know, one thirty in the morning,

729
00:49:51,519 --> 00:49:54,159
and uh, we were really close
to the house, and I know that

730
00:49:54,199 --> 00:49:57,639
thing it headed the other action,
But that was not what my mind was

731
00:49:57,679 --> 00:50:00,880
saying. You know, I had
to go until grandparents said, hey,

732
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:05,159
there's there's a werewolf running around in
this place, because anyway, at that

733
00:50:05,199 --> 00:50:07,360
point in my life, I'd never
even heard the term dog man. This

734
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:13,239
was a weird wolf. And my
grandfather to explain, this is a very,

735
00:50:14,159 --> 00:50:21,519
very no nonsense, stern man amongst
men, earth shaken type of man.

736
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:25,239
People move out of his way because
he's coming through. But uh,

737
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:30,119
you know, his first and only
grandson. You know, he's got a

738
00:50:30,119 --> 00:50:31,360
soft spot for me. But I
knew that he was gonna custom me like

739
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:36,400
a dog for waking him up.
At that time. We pull up,

740
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:39,000
I mean, we're we're one hundred
and fifty yards in the house, went

741
00:50:39,039 --> 00:50:45,119
all the where all that happened,
and we left the fore wheeler there and

742
00:50:45,199 --> 00:50:46,400
we pull up and I get out
and I knock on the door, and

743
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:52,079
my arm is throbbing at this point, and uh, I've got blood all

744
00:50:52,119 --> 00:50:57,679
over me. Tyler's just kind of
like, you're right, that feeling where

745
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:01,039
you try yourself to sleep and you're
just no, you don't feel like smiling

746
00:51:01,159 --> 00:51:06,360
or frowning or anything. Man.
Tyler's just standing up, leaning against my

747
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:10,679
truck. And while I land and
uh, I knock on the door,

748
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:15,719
Grandpa comes to the door and is
freaking underwear and he cuts me for a

749
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:19,000
second, said, bore you rise, what time it is? And you

750
00:51:19,039 --> 00:51:22,239
know he could see that I was
shook up. Grandpa with his clothes on,

751
00:51:22,519 --> 00:51:27,320
I need your help, and uh
and say anything else. He went

752
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,360
in for seventy five year old man. He got dressed really quick, and

753
00:51:30,519 --> 00:51:37,920
uh, I told him what had
happened. He believed me. He the

754
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,559
first time around. He believed me. I didn't have to go back and

755
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,639
reiterate like Grandpa and being serious.
I'm not joking at none of that.

756
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:52,320
He absolutely believed me, and uh, he said, where's Dallas took him

757
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:59,400
around the back of the truck and
we looked at him. Tyler said,

758
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:00,360
hey, man, yeah, we've
got to get you to the hospital.

759
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:06,119
Grandpa is like, hell, y'all
go and take my truck, and uh,

760
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:07,800
how you take him to the hospital. Like now, man, I'm

761
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,119
sorry, that's uh. And he
told me, he said, he said,

762
00:52:10,119 --> 00:52:15,199
I'll go and I'll take care of
Dallas. I go burying. Yeah,

763
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:19,599
right, I appreciate it, but
that's that's my dog and I'm gonna

764
00:52:19,639 --> 00:52:22,760
bury him. I got another dog, Barry. He's buried right next to

765
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,800
Roscoe, right next to my other
bulldog that I had before him. And

766
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:30,239
Uh, I was absolutely not about
to let my grandpa. I don't care

767
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:31,800
if he's my grandpa and I'm a
grandson or not. He could have said

768
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:35,920
anything he wanted. No way,
he was fixing to go out there in

769
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,800
the woods by himself and be digging
a hole right then at that time.

770
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,519
And he knew that he was gonna
talk me out of it and say sorry,

771
00:52:43,639 --> 00:52:46,360
let's let's go. I go get
my pistol. He went and got

772
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:52,480
his pistol, and uh, we
get my truck and we ride back there,

773
00:52:54,119 --> 00:52:59,360
and uh. And that was the
biggest hole I've ever dug in my

774
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:01,920
life. And so many ways,
man, there's a whole in my heart,

775
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,039
the whole and everything that I've got. Man, that was you know,

776
00:53:07,039 --> 00:53:14,480
that was a piece of me.
And uh we spend you know,

777
00:53:14,559 --> 00:53:21,679
forty five minutes digging this whole around
his hearts crap, and uh, Grandpa

778
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:32,480
finally, hm, it takes me
to the hospital and uh I put plates

779
00:53:32,519 --> 00:53:43,320
and screws in my arm, put
me in cast and uh that's uh my

780
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:52,679
story essentially. Yeah, but uh, I'm gone. And I talked to

781
00:53:52,760 --> 00:54:00,719
Vick about this when I first actually
spoke with him on phone, and blessed

782
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:02,000
the guy. He let me tell
my story and I cry like a baby.

783
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:06,239
I'm sorry. I've tried to not
lose it this time around, because,

784
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,159
like I said, my emotional distress
is not anybody's problem but my own

785
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:14,400
to deal with. But man,
that was a that was my best friend.

786
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:16,760
Man, that was the best dog
ever had in my life. And

787
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:22,480
uh, I harbor no illusions,
man, but that I would be here

788
00:54:22,599 --> 00:54:27,960
if he hadn't have been with me
that night. I thought some crazy things

789
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,000
like, man, if I would
have left Dallas at the house, you

790
00:54:30,039 --> 00:54:31,199
know, he'd still be here.
Well, you know, I'd be dead

791
00:54:31,559 --> 00:54:37,760
probably, And then I thought it
didn't last very long because it was it

792
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:42,320
was irrational and stupid. I was
like if Tyler hadn't shot, Dallas will

793
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:45,239
still be here. I don't know
that. I wasn't his fault. We

794
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,679
were out there shooting guns and you
know, throwing out Kodi calls and that's

795
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:52,320
that's probably what drew him in.
I heard him or whatever. Uh.

796
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:59,360
I've had lots of thoughts about that
night, what could have gone differently,

797
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:02,280
how this could have worke, how
that could work. But the bottom line

798
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:07,679
is that, you know, I'm
here in my h My children have a

799
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:15,920
father because because my best friend came
his life and I'm here, you know,

800
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:21,880
I'm breathing unfortunate and I've still got
his daughter. Man, I've got

801
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:25,599
a pump of his. She's uh, she's about grown now. She's a

802
00:55:25,599 --> 00:55:29,880
great dog. She's every bit of
her daddy's fuck man, she's her name

803
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:35,440
is Breed and she's uh. And
she's been the bandaid on the bullet hole

804
00:55:35,639 --> 00:55:38,519
from all from my little girls,
because I had to go home and tell

805
00:55:38,559 --> 00:55:44,119
my girls that Coyote's got there,
got their puppy. And that was a

806
00:55:44,119 --> 00:55:46,880
straight live man, you know,
And I'll forever have to a lot of

807
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:52,920
my kids, you know. And
it's uh, she's such a double head

808
00:55:53,039 --> 00:55:55,000
sword man, you know, I
can't even tell them the truth. I

809
00:55:55,159 --> 00:56:07,559
want to. But last night I
told my wife because I told her the

810
00:56:07,559 --> 00:56:09,880
same story, man, And it
wasn't much. I kept in as short

811
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:15,400
as I can keep it, because
I mean, I'm not one to lie,

812
00:56:15,599 --> 00:56:22,400
and it wasn't fun. I'm not
proud of it, but I told

813
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:28,679
her. I started to tell her
last night and by you know what I

814
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:32,119
told you happened to Dallas? You
know, he that's not the truth.

815
00:56:32,519 --> 00:56:35,840
She said, what do you mean? Are you lying to me? He

816
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,159
yeah, But I just you gotta
understand that it's not I didn't want to,

817
00:56:39,159 --> 00:56:44,920
and I feel terrible for it,
but you got to know because I'm

818
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:49,800
not gonna take Avery hunting with me. She's she's been asking to go to

819
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:53,199
go hunting with Daddy for a while
now, and uh, man, there's

820
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:57,199
just no way. There's no way
in this world, this or the next

821
00:56:57,199 --> 00:57:00,719
world. And then I would ever
take her out into those woods. I

822
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:04,119
myself is like you. As soon
as I was out of my cast,

823
00:57:04,159 --> 00:57:07,119
man, as soon as it was
gone, I went out and I sat

824
00:57:07,159 --> 00:57:09,840
in my hunting season as well over
and I went and sat in my stand

825
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:14,639
and waited on that thing and hoped
to pray that he would come out,

826
00:57:14,679 --> 00:57:19,400
and you know, foolishly so because
I'm I probably died, and like Vick

827
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:22,800
said, that else would have been
gone for nothing. But uh man,

828
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:28,039
there have just been so many thoughts
in my head for so long about putting

829
00:57:28,039 --> 00:57:30,960
a bullet in this thing that took
my took my boat man for me and

830
00:57:31,039 --> 00:57:42,519
from my family. And uh yeah, I'm just grateful for this opportunity to

831
00:57:42,559 --> 00:57:46,599
tell the story, because man,
I say something that I'm told, I'm

832
00:57:46,639 --> 00:57:53,199
told anybody really, like my grandfather
knows, Tyler knows. And you know,

833
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:59,679
my wife, I couldn't tell her
everything. I didn't want to tell

834
00:57:59,679 --> 00:58:01,960
her everything, and if she doesn't
ask, I'm not gonna finish telling her

835
00:58:02,039 --> 00:58:06,679
everything. But I told her this
is what people referred to as a dog

836
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:12,599
man. And yeah, she told
me she didn't know. She wanted to

837
00:58:12,639 --> 00:58:15,840
know everything. She said. I
mean, but I stressed to her,

838
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:21,679
like you know, I'm here,
you still got me, and the girls

839
00:58:21,719 --> 00:58:25,000
have still got me, because now
it's went with me that night, I

840
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:28,920
mean, Tyler could have both died. Tyler's got too beautiful little kids.

841
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:30,000
They are like my niece and nephew. You know, I love with all

842
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:35,280
my heart. I'd give my life
or take somebody else as if it meant

843
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,440
that I could, you know,
I could save them from an ounce of

844
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:43,079
pain, you know, and they've
got their daddy because because because Alas was

845
00:58:43,119 --> 00:58:50,280
there with us, Kim. I
know this is so hard to deal with.

846
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:53,159
I mean, we're not even a
you're removed from having that experience.

847
00:58:53,639 --> 00:58:57,920
It's gonna take some time for you
to come to terms with this when you

848
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:02,480
consider how traumatic this experience was.
But I want you to remember something anytime

849
00:59:02,519 --> 00:59:07,639
you think about what happened that night, and of course when you think about

850
00:59:07,679 --> 00:59:14,800
losing Dallas the way you did,
there's something I don't want you to ever

851
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:23,599
lose sight of, and that's the
fact that obviously he was your buddy and

852
00:59:23,679 --> 00:59:30,280
he was your companion, but most
importantly, Dallas was your personal protector.

853
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:36,440
And if you could have frozen that
attack and had a way of taking Dallas

854
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:40,719
off to the side to get his
two cents on what was going on and

855
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:45,639
what he was risking, he would
have told you. If you had the

856
00:59:45,639 --> 00:59:49,079
ability to talk with him, and
he had the ability to talk with you,

857
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,519
he would have told you that he
knew full well what he was risking.

858
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:58,400
By doing what he did, biting
and attacking that dog man. But

859
01:00:00,039 --> 01:00:04,400
I'm sure he also would have told
you that even though he was risking his

860
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:08,519
life by attacking that dog man,
he wouldn't have it any other way.

861
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:15,360
Whatever was required to protect his daddy, he would do, even if it

862
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:20,719
meant dying for you. Let's not
lose sight of the fact that he was

863
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:25,039
one hundred and thirty five pound American
bulldog. He was built for war,

864
01:00:25,719 --> 01:00:31,239
for Mortal Kombat. If you could
have asked him, Dallas, if you

865
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:36,199
had to choose the way that you
went out the way that you died,

866
01:00:36,719 --> 01:00:40,920
what way would you want that to
be. I've gotten no doubts whatsoever that

867
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:47,000
he would tell you that he would
want to die protecting his daddy. Die

868
01:00:47,079 --> 01:00:52,800
by saving his daddy's life, And
that's what he did. He saved your

869
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:55,960
life, just like you already know, by doing what he did. I

870
01:00:57,079 --> 01:01:00,760
know it's so sad thinking about him
passing the way he did. But in

871
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:06,679
time, if you can steer that
towards pride. But I know you're already

872
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:09,199
proud as all get out of Dallas, and you should be, but I

873
01:01:09,239 --> 01:01:15,199
hope you can in time focus more
on the pride you feel for the fact

874
01:01:15,199 --> 01:01:21,760
that your personal protector, Dallas gave
his life protecting his daddy. Again,

875
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:23,920
Like I said, I know,
it's not easy. You're still working your

876
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:28,800
way through all this, but if
you can work towards that goal, that

877
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,320
is going to help tremendously when it
comes to your ability to deal with this.

878
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:36,280
Does that make sense? Yeah?
Yeah, I mean, I mean,

879
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:40,599
you're you're absolutely right. I just
I mean, there's yeah, there's

880
01:01:40,639 --> 01:01:45,280
no two ways about it. No, I'm being sure proud of you,

881
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:49,119
man, I mean there's I mean, they might not have found me,

882
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:53,320
you know, I might. I
mean, I don't know what, I

883
01:01:53,320 --> 01:02:00,320
don't know. I know I didn't
have the the experience that I hear lots

884
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:07,880
of people were count where this thing
showed up and acted stoky and then as

885
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:10,599
they thought they were fictionally get god, it was it was gone. But

886
01:02:10,639 --> 01:02:14,679
you know, regardless of how it
went, you know, I mean,

887
01:02:14,679 --> 01:02:17,440
it was like I said, I
hadn't taken him with me anywhere in a

888
01:02:17,519 --> 01:02:20,880
while, and yeah, it was
that night. I was like, all

889
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:22,039
right, well come on, load
up, and you know, load up

890
01:02:22,039 --> 01:02:24,840
to him. Those are the magic
words, you know, you say,

891
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:28,280
load up that dude, be in
the truck fashion. You can change your

892
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:31,559
mind and tell it. No,
I mean you know, but uh no,

893
01:02:31,679 --> 01:02:35,400
I mean you're You're one hundred percent
right, and there's no there's no

894
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:38,519
two ways about it. And I'm
very I couldn't. I could be more

895
01:02:38,599 --> 01:02:43,039
proud of him, and it's it
sucks to have pride in the sentence because

896
01:02:43,039 --> 01:02:45,920
you've got to be proud of him
and he's not here to tell him.

897
01:02:45,719 --> 01:02:50,519
But you're you're absolutely right, and
thank you for your words when it means

898
01:02:50,519 --> 01:02:55,000
more than I can tell you.
You're welcome, and please know the side

899
01:02:55,039 --> 01:02:59,480
of the fact that you're going to
see him again. You will, You'll

900
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:05,519
see him again. Yeah, sure, so I really do. You will.

901
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:09,199
He'll be waiting for you. Well, Kim, I've got so many

902
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:14,440
questions to ask you it's not even
funny, But we're out of time.

903
01:03:14,719 --> 01:03:16,719
Would you be open to coming back
to do a live stream where I could

904
01:03:16,719 --> 01:03:21,880
ask you those questions and also that
way the listeners in the live chat could

905
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:27,079
ask you their questions as well.
Yeah, man, I'll be willing to

906
01:03:27,079 --> 01:03:35,880
do that. Sony thing anybody wants
to know is fine, definitely, Okay,

907
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:38,800
good. Well if that's the case, Well, next Friday night at

908
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:44,119
nine pm Eastern time eight pm Central
work for you, I think, so

909
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:47,079
I won't say why not. Okay, great, Well if that's the case,

910
01:03:47,119 --> 01:03:51,519
then yeah, we'll just come back
next Friday night and we'll do that

911
01:03:51,599 --> 01:03:57,400
live stream then. But in the
meantime, if you need any help by

912
01:03:57,400 --> 01:04:00,960
all means, please let me know
because I'll always be there for you.

913
01:04:02,079 --> 01:04:04,239
It means more, and I can
tell you, buddy, I appreciate it

914
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:08,360
so much. Oh, you're welcome. You know. Like I told you

915
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:13,320
before, you're not alone in this. You never will be. But having

916
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:15,920
said that, try to have a
good night. I know it's easier said

917
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:31,360
than done, but try to have
a good night.