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Where are we at in society today? Come after me. I'm a man,

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I'm forty. Go ahead, make
my day every single week. I

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put my freaking heart and soul into
this. I don't go out there and

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laugh. It's not funny. Nothing's
funny to me. I don't wanna go

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out there and get embarrassed on Monday
night football for everybody, I think this

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is the beginning of a beautiful friendship. So I ain't nothing changed from yesterday.

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Still the same person I was yesterday, and I got the same thing

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for you that I had yesterday.
You know why I'm here. You play

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to win the game. You don't
play to just play it. That's a

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great thing about sports. You play
to win. I don't care if you

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don't have any wins. You go
play to win. You start telling me

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it doesn't matter to retire. Get
out for the matters. Damn right,

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it does. It matters out Thursday
two. It matters every day, doesn't

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at term? Right now? Welcome
everybody, Clade, you're with us on

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this Thursday edition of X's m Brose. Matt Shepard Ben is our producer.

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We welcome your thoughts on the Meyer
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Radio to twenty one thousand. There is

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plenty to discuss. The Tigers lose
yesterday in the series wrap up to the

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Guardians in Cleveland in ten innings five
to four. Andrew Chaffin gives up the

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ninth innings solo homer to David Who
to David Frye that tied the game,

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and then Brian Rochio singles in the
winning run in the tenth off Alex Lang.

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This was one of those situations.
Remember how I said not too long

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ago, if you were listening,
that sometimes managers will be hesitant to use

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a player out of the bullpen in
one inning and then start them in the

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next inning as kind of an up
down situation. You remember that, Yeah,

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I'm sure you do, okay.
Well, in the past, anyway,

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Alex Lang has been designated in that
category. Well, he came in

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and he got Loriano to strike out
in the bottom of the ninth with the

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game tied, and then started the
tenth A lot of times, at least

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from what I can recall, that
was not done because of certain situations,

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certain reasons that aj Hinch just didn't
want to do that with Alex Klin.

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Well, yesterday might be an example
of why he hasn't done it in the

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past. He takes the L Tigers, take the L back to a game

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above five hundred, and it's another
one run loss for Detroit. How much

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those matter? How much the one
run losses or one run wins matter?

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I don't know. What does it
show to you that you can get it

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done then you've got to go bullpen? Maybe there's quite a few things.

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I know this. The Tigers a
year ago were a game above five hundred

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in one run games. It mattered
for Baltimore because Baltimore had more wins,

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more one run wins than anybody else
in baseball. They were thirty and sixteen

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last year in one run games.
Thirty of their one hundred and one wins

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were by one run, So thirty
percent of your wins in those types of

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situations pretty damn important. On the
other hand, it's not always the most

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important thing. Dodgers were just sixteen
and fifteen in one run games, So

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I'm not trying to make too much
of it, but I'm not trying to

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make light of it. I just
want you to know the situations from a

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year ago. This year, the
Tigers have played more one run games than

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anybody else in baseball. Long way
to go, but still fifteen games and

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they're seven and eight. Yankees have
played twelve, they're nine to three.

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Phillies have played ten. They're eight
and two, and the Phillies are have

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the most wins in baseball right now. They're playing as well as anybody.

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They've established. They lost yesterday,
but they won eight of their last ten.

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They had that six game win streak
and there they lose to Toronto five

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to three. But they've got the
most wins in baseball right now with twenty

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six. So there you go.
I mean, that's kind of the situation

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that Detroit's dealing with right now.
They're off today and they open up a

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nice six game homestand this weekend starting
tomorrow with three against Houston. The question,

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I suppose for many will have to
be what you did in the tenth

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inning? See in the tenth inning
When you're the road team. The belief

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from aj Hinch and his staff is
that you go for a big inning.

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And when I say big inning,
I mean more than one run. I

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don't know how you feel about the
baseball rule. You put a guy at

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second base in the tenth inning,
but a guy in scoring position. Personally,

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I've always hated it. People have
warmed to it who originally didn't like

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it. I do not like it. Not to start the game or not

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to start the extra inning. I
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inning. Try to get your own
traffic on the base pass. If it

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doesn't work in the eleventh inning,
start a guy on first base. That

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doesn't work in the twelfth inning,
then start a guy on second base,

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and then it ends there. One
man's opinion, But the rules are what

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they are. You start a guy
on second base. The Tigers did just

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that. The out, the last
out from the previous inning starts at second

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base. So Detroit has a runner
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Wait for the inserted joke here.
It comes good. One ground ball,

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and what does Baiaz do? Bias
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The shortstop is there, and Bias
gets thrown out. I don't know

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what he's doing. I don't know
why he's doing it. It's believed that

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he is a smart bass runner and
guys are gonna make mistakes, understood,

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not those types of mistakes. Just
can't do it. Say it like it

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is. It's a stupid baseball play, and it takes your team right out

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of it. No, not the
wind out of the sales, bull crap.

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I'm talking about taking your team out
of it. You go from one

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out and a man on second base
to one out a man on first base

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because it's a fielder's choice. Green
strikes out, and then a bid news

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the grounds out to third foebishly,
weakly, horrid Cleveland gets the chance,

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and what do they do. Loriano's
at second base. They sacrifice him,

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lay down the bunt, fun mentals
execution. He gets to third, and

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then Rokio singles to center. Even
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If he gets to get the ball
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in all likelihood he's scoring. There's
your walk off. It's flipping ridiculous.

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Man. Games like this, we
don't think a lot of times they matter

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because it's early May bull roar it
does. Eventually they're going to matter.

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And now look at your situation.
We're creeping up every day, I tell

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you this, we are creeping up
thirty seven games deep almost at the quarter

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eight thirty five. Really looking forward
to that to talk a little baseball,

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and specifically Tigers, who lost yesterday
in ten innings five to four to Cleveland.

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I said just before the break,
this is getting We're getting close.

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We're getting close to that quarter pole. So many things can change in baseball.

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It can be a challenging topic to
talk baseball in sports radio because so

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many things are different. Game to
game. First game of the series didn't

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score any runs. We were on
these airwaves complaining about it. Game two,

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Detroit opens up a can and scores
eleven times. We were slightly concerned

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with kent to my ETA. Let
me take that back. More than slightly

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concerned, very concerned in seven starts, but they won. This morning,

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we're talking about a loss and the
mental part of the game where guys are

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just not doing what they're supposed to
be doing. So again, don't want

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to be super negative. Hate it. You're driving to work, you've had

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a busy night the night before,
Perhaps you get a lot of stuff going

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on in your life. You really
need somebody bitching and moaning about a baseball

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game. Probably not. I'm just
bringing up things that matter down the stretch.

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At least I'm trying to. And
I think if you watched, listened,

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or read about you understand that those
types of games, especially in the

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Division, though it's just thirty seven
games deep, do matter. Doesn't mean

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they can't turn it around. But
when you have baseball on a night tonight

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basis, you're going to break it
down once in a while. Okay,

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So thoughts on the Tigers and the
frustration a little bit from last night or

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yesterday is there on the Meyer hotline
for eight six six eight three eight forty

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eight forty three. I liken it
to this, It's a little like guarding

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the inbound play in basketball. Do
you guard the inbound play on the final

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play Duke Kentucky way back in the
day when Christian Lightner made his famous shot.

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Well, I called Michigan basketball.
Do you guard Ben Brust who launched

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from mid court for Wisconsin and beat
Michigan on a prayer? It's a philosophy,

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Okay, do you believe in it? I don't know. It's the

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same thing in extra innings? Do
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So many people love that. This
is kind of a kind of a cliche,

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but so many people love what they
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I don't think you marry one philosophy. I don't think you just say,

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you know what, let's just we're
gonna play small ball. That's what we're

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gonna do every chance we get.
I think it depends on the situation and

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this situation, and he has been
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Hinch doesn't believe you do that.
When you're the road team, you

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try to dictate what the other team
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I'm sure depending on the person in
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pass, but for the most part, if he's the road team, he's

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not playing for the one run,
he's going to play for a bigger inning.

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It's hard to argue with that.
He really is a He's a fascinating,

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borderline brilliant baseball guy. And I
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you sit down, you get a
chance to talk to him. I've been

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fortunate enough sit down talk to him, not just in his office but in

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other settings, just about his philosophy
in baseball, what makes certain situations more

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important than others, how far ahead
he's looking in games, all those things.

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I'm sure you guys know this,
but you know when offensive coordinators are

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in a game, they're not looking
at Okay, here's it's third down and

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three, this is what I'm going
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They've already decided because they have thought
so many plays ahead. It's the

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same thing in baseball. You're not
managing inning by inning. You're looking ahead

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constantly. It really is like a
game of chess. You're trying your best

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to set up the opposition. Sometimes
it works and sometimes it doesn't. But

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I liken it to that. I
think it's very similar basketball. There's a

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lot of people who swear by it. You've got to guard the inbound pass,

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make them have it difficult. Guyle
on the baseline. Guile on the

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sideline doesn't matter. Make it difficult
for the guy doing the inbounding. Some

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people truly believe in that. Others
are like, no, give yourself a

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chance to have an extra defender out
there. Well, in baseball, some

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people will play for that one run
when they're at home, and some people

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will want to play for the beginning. It's a strategy. You may not

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always agree with it. That's fine, you're not. I can agree with

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a lot of stuff. You don't
agree with a lot of managers when they

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bring in a reliever, how long
they leave a starter in, why a

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guy may be batting in a certain
spot in the lineup. Totally get it.

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How do you feel about this philosophy? Meyer hotline eight sixty six eight

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three eight forty eight forty three.
What you like, what you don't like?

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Okay, there you go. That's
what's going on. And by the

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way, if you're Cleveland and you're
a top the division at twenty four thirteen

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and you're second in the division in
run differential, I think that's a really

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important statistic. Kansas City is number
one, believe it or not, Kansas

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City is a plus forty six in
run differential this year. Last year they

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were a minus one eighty three.
Let me say that again. This year

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Kansas City is number one in the
AL Central, not the best division in

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baseball, but still they are number
one in the AL Central in run differential

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at a plus forty six. Last
year they were a minus one eighty three.

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Talk about a turnaround. Amazing so
far, so far. That wasn't

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worse in the division. By the
way, Chicago is even worse than that.

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Full number is eight six six eight
three, eight forty eight forty three.

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You saw the mistakes, you know, too many mistakes, you know,

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pick a side of the ball,
and and we didn't do enough to

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win the game. So yeah,
this one got away because I think we

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put ourselves in a really tough spot
to win the game. It's more about

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the eighth inning cheap run. You
know, we gave them, you know,

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a full trip around the basis,
so that counts the the lack of

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attack on I mean we did.
We made many mistakes. That's that's the

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point. A J. Hinch following
the game yesterday in a five to four

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loss in ten innings, his frustration
mounting in For good reason. He's referring

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to the eighth inning. Joey Wentz
on the mound for Detroit, Brian Rochio

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singles to center On a strikeout.
Rochio is still second. Jake Rogers throws

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one into center field, first throwing
era of the year for Rogers. Rochio

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moves to third, and then a
ground out to second allows Rochio to score

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that gets him to within four to
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the home run by Fry, and
then in the tenth it's their ability to

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move the runner from second to third
and then get him home with a single

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to win it. You're up four
to two. And then that in a

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three inning stretch, eighth, ninth, tenth, ruins your day, ruins

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your series, and to a certain
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So Detroit barely above five hundred.
Pitching for the most part there, right,

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I would agree, pitching for the
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really good, really good. And
then this just ridiculous margin for error.

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How many teams have that? What's
the margin for error for certain teams?

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For a team like Detroit, the
margin for error is thinner than a margin

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for air. For Baltimore, it's
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then it would be against a team
like Philadelphia or Atlanta, or the Dodgers

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or apparently Cleveland. You can say
what you want about Cleveland, here's what

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you cannot deny. Traditionally, under
Terry Francona, and now it sure seems

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like under Stephen Vote they are a
team that is fundamentally sound. What's the

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cliche, you don't beat yourself.
The Tigers have a tendency to do that.

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They beat themselves throwing air, misplaced
pitch. It was outer half,

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allowing a player to extend his arms, home run down the right field line,

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base running air, the home run
happens. Pitchers are gonna give up

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home runs, and Craig Kimbrel is
it now but was considered it is prime

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the best reliever in baseball. One
could argue he's a Hall of Famer,

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and then he's one of the best
closers of all time. Not the best,

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but one of the best. Okay, last two times out he's given

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up big bombs. He did yesterday
against Washington, So those are going to

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happen. I think you and I
get that. I mean, that's what

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baseball is, smashing home runs left
and right. I mean, all you

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got to do is watch some clips
of games around the league. Go to

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quick Pitch on MLB Network and you'll
see home run after home run after home

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run. I mean, yesterday,
to Askar Hernandez, a couple of them

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for the Dodgers. But the margin
for error for Detroit is is not very

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big. It's tough for it's tough
for this team to overcome deficits, large

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deficits because of their inconsistent offense.
I've told you this for a while now.

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It's not a team that is spectacular
defensively. They don't have anybody like

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Hapier Bias makes a spectacular play or
two or three, and he really does,

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but I don't. He's not a
gold glove shortstop. They don't have

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a gold glove out player on this
team. Find me one. So their

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offense is a little bit of a
you know, up and down. Not

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even their offense is challenged. Their
defenses, okay, doesn't jump out of

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It doesn't make you want to jump
out of your seat and go, yeah,

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okay, we got you now headed
to anybody, No, that's not

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how you feel about this team.
I guess what I'm saying is this outside

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of pitching, and pitching is going
to come and go sometimes. I know

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offense will do the same, but
I mean from a pitching standpoint what I

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mean by coming go Sometimes you can't
expect Terrek Skouble to make thirty two starts

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and be fantastic all thirty two.
It's just not it's not realistic. It's

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it's just not gonna happen. I
expect, you know, Kent Tamaida to

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be better than he's been so far. But overall, would you say you're

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good with their pitching? Okay?
Good? I would hope so hard to

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deny what what resourceon did yesterday?
Look even the greatest seasons of all time

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was Steve Carlton's nineteen seventy two season. Are you aware then? You're a

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young guy. I know that,
But are you aware of that situation?

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Carlton? Okay, no, okay, let me just give you a quick

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thing. Philadelphia Phillies won fifty nine
games in nineteen seventy two. Fifty nine.

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They were horrible. Steve Carlton won
twenty seven of those games. One

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guy earned the win in twenty seven
of their fifty nine games. How do

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you like that? Twenty seven forty
six percent of the wins went to one

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man. He was the cy Young
Award winner that year. He led the

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league in wins. The cy Young
Award winner came from a team that won

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fifty nine games, led the league
in wins, He led the league in

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era. He led the league and
starts with forty one You don't see that

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anymore. He led the league in
complete games with thirty. You'll never see

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that anymore. That was a career
high for him. By the way,

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he led the league in innings pitched
he threw for He threw three hundred and

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forty six innings. Ben, That
doesn't happen anymore. I know a lot

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of people don't like quote end quote
old guy. But sometimes old guy is

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right. Sometimes old guy goes,
you know what back in my day.

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Sometimes old guy says, all I
want is this something similar to this?

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Last year, Logan Webb led the
majors in innings pitched. Ben, guess

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how many innings pitched Logan Webb of
the San Francisco Giants threw led the league.

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Take a gander. I have no
idea two hundred and sixteen, Holy

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cow, Okay, all right,
Steve Carlton three hundred and forty six.

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Yeah, that's a crazy difference.
So he led the league in that category.

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He also led the league in strikeouts. That's incredible stuff, absolutely incredible.

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But he lost ten games. It's
gonna happen. Can't expect him to

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be perfect in forty one games.
He still lost ten or forty one starts,

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they should say. So he still
lost a quart of his games,

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maybe not all his fault, but
you can't expect You cannot expect a pitcher

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to be great every start. It's
just not realistic. So Steve Carlton,

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you know I use that example obviously. I'll give you an example of that

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season. Even though he was the
best in base play, he still gave

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up four and runs in its fourth
start that year. You gave up fore

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and runs in his ninth and tenth
starts as well. Fell apart June ninth

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against the Mets. Complete game,
gotta win, but gave up four and

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runs and six walks. They actually, back then, they actually used to

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let pitchers throw through it get out
of it on their own. So I

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would say, the pitching you'd be
pleased with, and you feel like you

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can use that to contend in a
game. But the offense, the defense,

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the base running all right now doesn't
mean it can't change right now less

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than is that a fair assessment from
what I've gathered? Yes. Now,

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Remember I'm the same person who said
I expect this team to win the division.

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That's the expectation I have. I
believe this team should be good enough

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to win it all the division,
not the World Series, and not the

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American Leegupennant, but they should win
the division. NBA news yesterday, did

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you watch this? New York beats
Indiana one thirty to one, twenty one?

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Really good game. Jaylen Brunson was
hurt, missed the entire second quarter,

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still scored twenty nine points in thirty
two minutes. Og Ananobi had a

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career playoff eight, missed most of
the fourth quarter, and yet New York

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still won. Not a big Knicks
fan, but damn they're fun to watch.

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Jalen Brunson just you're going, holy
crap, how are you making some

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of these shots? It's an entertaining
It really is an entertaining series so far.

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And I know it's only two games, but a ton of credit for

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a team to lose really important players
not once but twice in the game and

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get it done now. Rick Carlisle's
not happy, and I understand why he's

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telling people, we just want a
fair shot the referees. But New York

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right now, right now, being
led by a second round pick Jalen Brunson

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and a guy taking twenty third overall
og Onanobi out of Indiana late in the

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first round. Pretty cool story.
Same draft as Donovan Mitchell. By the

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way, dude's really athletic, which
also means what yes, same draft as

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Lukenart Nikola Jokic wins the MVP.
I think it was. I don't know

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if it was yesterday or two days
ago. I thought Doncis was gonna win

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it because people get so enamored with
scoring. I'm really glad Jokic won it.

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I would have liked to have seen
Shay Gilgess Alexander, quite honestly,

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because yeah, you're looking for some
fresh blood. But if a guy earns

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it, he earns it, it's
interesting. He's the MVP. Who do

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you think the best player in the
game is? Do you think it's one

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and the same. How do you
deny that right? I think you can

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make some arguments. Love watching Anthony
Edwards play Shay Gildas Alexander is really fun

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to watch too, and both those
guys actually play defense, as does Jokic.

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In fairness, he garnered seventy nine
first place votes, shake Gildess Alexander

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garnered fifteen. That's how much people
thought of it. Doncis finished third.

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Janis Ante Tecompo, who went healthy
still might be the best player in the

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world. He's fourth, Brunson fifth. Jokic is the first center in sixty

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years to win an MVP Award three
times in a four year span. He's

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also, you know, the last
one to do it was Kareem Abdul Jabbar.

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He's also the ninth player to ever
win at least three MVPs. Right

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now, if you're driving around Flint, Cadillac, Grand Rapids, Grayland,

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Gaylord, Midland, Saginaw Bay City, Pataski, Charlevoid, Trevors City,

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wherever is your mind scramble a little
bit, a little bit, and you're

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saying some names out loud. Yeah, that's what I'd be doing too.

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So you know Jabbar because he's got
more than anybody. He's got six Mikey,

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Bill Russell, Lebron, James Wilt
Chamberlain, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson,

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who's the last one. This might
be the tougher one, Moses Malone.

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Those are the other eight players that
Nikola Jokic joined. When you're in

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that category, when you're with those
names, that's when people I hate when

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we in the media put the proverbial
cart before the horse, way too early,

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right, the NFL Draft just finishes
up. Let's look at next year's

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NFL draft. Well, can we
just enjoy this one first? You know,

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national champion is crowned the next day, who's the odds on favorite to

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win it next year? Can we
just enjoy what this previous team just did.

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I get the twenty four hour news
cycle and the twenty four hour sports

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cycle, but can't you let it
rest for a little bit anyway, I'm

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gonna I'm gonna do that right here
when you're in that realm, Dude,

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that is that's Hall of Fame stuff. Long way for him to retire,

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let alone get in the Hall of
Fame. But you gotta be at least

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willing to acknowledge he's in amongst Hall
of Fame players. When you're doing that,

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that's impressive, really impressive. He
finished top five in points, rebounds,

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and assists in multiple years. That's
see, he doesn't he doesn't fit

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the narrative. He looks looks now
because we're not playing against him. He

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looks kind of awkward playing it,
doesn't he I was going to say gumpy,

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and that's not fair. He's he's
an amazing player. But when you

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finish top five in total points.
He was fifth this year top five and

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rebounds that's third this year top five
and a This is second in multiple seasons.

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The only other player to do that
more than once is elgim Baylor again

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Hall of Famer. Really good stuff. Meyer hotline is eighty six to six,

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twenty one thousand. Jason Beck's going
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win yesterday, his concerns, and perhaps

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what he likes most about the Tigers
so far and Major League Baseball in general.

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He'll join us at eight thirty five
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eighty six six eight three eight forty
three. That's the number you could call

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to joining the conversation. We'd left
off discussing Nicola Jokic and just how good

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he is, likelihood will make his
sixth all NBA teams already won his third

437
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MVP in the last four years,
and I was reading about this last night,

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thinking to myself, when you join
the likes of Jabbar and Malone and

439
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Russell and Chamberlain and Jordan and Byrd
and Magic Johnson. Guys like that as

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winners of three MVPs are more because
Jabbar won six, Russell won five,

441
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Chamberlain won four. I think to
myself that's he's destined to be a Hall

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of Famer. I'm going to give
you some numbers associated with some of the

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greatest big men to ever play.
Some of them have to be skewed,

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and I'll explain here in a minute. Kareem Abdul Jabbar is the greatest big

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man to ever play. I know
many of you think it's Shaquille O'Neal.

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It might be that's your opinion.
Greem Abdul Jabbar had the shot and no

447
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one could stop. He won six
titles. He was an MVP six times.

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He was All NBA First Team fifteen
times. Bill Russell won eleven titles,

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five MVPs, All NBA First Team
eleven times. Will Chamberlain won a

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couple of titles. Won in Philly
one in LA, four time MVP ten

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times, all time NBA First Team, Shack was fourteen times All NBA,

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four NBA Championships, one MVP.
Agreed, makes no sense, ridiculous,

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whether you liked him or not,
because I remember talking with people way back

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in the day while he's playing,
and they're like, he's that big,

455
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he should dominate inside when you're seven
one to three in a quarter, Yeah,

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you should dominate. His MVP season. Forget about the field goal percentages.

457
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You're so close to the to the
hoop, right, But his MVP

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season he averaged twenty nine point seven
will you allow me to round it up

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to thirty? Thank you? And
thirteen and a half rebounds. He finished

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second in the MVP race. Back
in nineteen ninety five, David Robinson was

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MVP that year, his loan MVP. You could accept that, couldn't you?

462
00:46:50.039 --> 00:46:59.079
Yeah? He finished fourth. One
year a chem Elijah On was MVP.

463
00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:06.320
Robinson finished ahead of Shaquille two that
year. Could you accept it?

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With Elijah Wan's lone MVP that year? Absolutely? Look at Elijahwan's numbers,

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and I think Elijahon's a really underrated
player. Loved watching him play because everybody

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brings up when Shaquille O'Neal lost the
MVP race to Steve Nash. So I've

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already told you he's lost one to
Robinson, He's lost one to Elijahon,

468
00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:37.639
lost one to Alan Iverson, finished
third that year to Alan Iverson, lost

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one to Tim Duncan. Jason Kidd
finished ahead of him one year or that

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same year. But it's the two
thousand and five where everyone's like, how

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is that possible? How do you
lose to Steve Nash who averaged fifteen and

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a half points, averaged eleven and
a half assists, shot the ball.

473
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Well, Phoenix had a good year. I'm not saying it's right. I'm

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just saying people to a certain extent
could understand there are other players he finished

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behind than just Steve Nash in his
career. It's hard to fathom that he

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only had one MVP. It's hard
to fathom that certain other players, Nikola

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Jokic, for example, has three
compared to checks one. But it's true.

478
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But I was watching this and I'm
thinking, Okay, you know,

479
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Shaquille O'Neale just mentioned Akim Olaijuan had
a couple of titles and MVP All NBA

480
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First Team twelve times, Moses Malone
All NBA eight times, three MVPs had

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a championship, the championship with Philadelphia
Robinson two titles with the Spurs and MVP

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and ten. Not that you had
to watch those players because I didn't see

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Bill Russell and Will Chamberlain in his
prime play those guys. I mean,

484
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is Nicole Yokitchen in that category?
Those guys are legends. Those are legendary

485
00:49:12.079 --> 00:49:15.519
centers, man, And if you
never had a chance to watch any of

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those guys play, it's really too
bad because they were. It was beautiful

487
00:49:22.360 --> 00:49:27.719
to watch Kareem Abdul Jabbar. It's
not that I'm a huge fan. I

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just really appreciate he is. He
was really enjoyable to watch. He was

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very graceful, like Keim Elijaha,
was incredibly athletic. Anyway, congratulations to

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Nicola Jokic, it is not It
was a little bit of a surprise to

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me. Not super surprising, and
look, you're in the running. How

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surprising can you be? But yeah, really really impressive season for him,

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even though his team's down to Minnesota
and Florida blows out Boston six to one.

494
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Bruins allowed twelve goals total in the
first round series against Toronto and that

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went seven games. They allowed six
in Game two. Boston won Game one

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five to one. Florida wins Game
two six to one, but remember it's

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a little misleading. In the first
game, despite losing five to one,

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Florida still had thirty nine shots.
This one was kind of a blowout and

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the fights in the third were super
intense. How much of that was Boston

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making a quote end quote statement for
game three when it goes to Boston because

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that game was in Miami last night. How much of that is just that,

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I don't know. Good for them, stand your ground, I'm okay

503
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with that, but Florida made sure
they fought back. Thirteen penalties on the

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night for Boston, ten penalties on
the night for Florida. Plenty of fighting

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00:51:20.079 --> 00:51:30.800
taking place, including Brandon Monteur and
Brad Marshan and David Pasternak and Matthew Kachuk.

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In the third Monteur scores had to
go into his says, turns and

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basically gets in Marshan's face and he
wasn't going to take any of that.

508
00:51:45.360 --> 00:51:49.800
That was more of a wrestling match
than it was a fight. Heavy punches

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thrown in the Kachuck and Pastrinak,
who you would not have thought would be

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willing to drop the gloves, but
he did because I mean, those are

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two elite offensive players. Could Chuck's
more of a tough guy. It's hard

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not to like him. But there
was plenty of spillover. Some undisciplined,

513
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sure, but there were plenty of
fisticuffs taking place, not just in the

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third either early on. Here's what
the coach had to say about it.

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I think it's a good thing.
They get two elite offensive players and the

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Chuck is a hundred point guy all
day long, faster Knacks, just this

517
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brilliant player. But it's playoffs and
they each have their team, right,

518
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They got their brothers in the room, gets a little spicy out there and

519
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they want to go. I think
it was awesome. Well, I don't

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think there's gonna be any spill over
into the next game. You know,

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these there are two teams that are
rivals, you know with you know,

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00:52:52.239 --> 00:52:53.760
we played each other last year,
playing each other this year, and it's

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going to be a series. And
what I'm really proud of I'm proud of

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00:52:58.320 --> 00:53:02.519
Pasta because there's so many guys out
there pushing after whistle when the linesmen are

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00:53:02.559 --> 00:53:07.800
there. Boston can Chuck. They
just went out there and fought. That's

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00:53:07.800 --> 00:53:12.039
what you like you like your hockey
players to be competitors. I love that

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00:53:12.119 --> 00:53:15.920
man. That was Paul Maurice the
first part of the cut, and then

528
00:53:15.960 --> 00:53:20.039
Jim Montgomery, the head coach of
Boston the second. It's funny, I

529
00:53:20.079 --> 00:53:23.920
was thinking the exact same thing.
Sometimes. The beauty of the playoffs is

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if you don't have your team in
there, there's no dog in the fight,

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00:53:27.559 --> 00:53:31.119
quote unquote, you can watch it
with an open mind and you can

532
00:53:31.199 --> 00:53:37.280
just enjoy it. I think eventually
everybody has there's some type of lean one

533
00:53:37.320 --> 00:53:43.280
way or the other. But the
beauty of that last night is I'm right

534
00:53:43.320 --> 00:53:47.159
there with Jim Montgomery. Too many
guys. Too many times you see guys

535
00:53:47.239 --> 00:53:52.960
chirping a little bit and they're waiting
for the linesman to come in. Those

536
00:53:52.960 --> 00:53:58.199
guys weren't waiting for anybody. They
wanted to go after one another. They

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00:53:58.239 --> 00:54:00.440
wanted to make a statement, They
wanted to show their teammates. This is

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00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:07.000
why I wear the A as an
assistant captain. It was awesome. It's

539
00:54:07.039 --> 00:54:12.440
what I love about hockey. They
take care of their business on the ice,

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not words, and then they move
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EXUS and pros. A little bit
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Beck, we'll join us MLB dot
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Cleveland. What his assessment over the
first thirty seven games are strengths, weaknesses.

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will be in this chair tomorrow.
Got to wait, got to head out

561
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to a destination wedding. Those things, what is it? What is it

562
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today? With I mean, there's
a lot of young people who they just

563
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they love the destination wedding. You
got to go someplace else? Aren't you

564
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from here? Yes? Is she
from here? Yes? But where are

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we? Oh? Everybody pretty much
everybody who's going to the wedding is from

566
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here. But you're gonna go someplace, all right, Thanks a lot anyway,

567
00:57:01.079 --> 00:57:06.480
That's where we're headed. Those are
the things that happened. By the

568
00:57:06.480 --> 00:57:10.440
way, the one thing I did
not get to is the uh, the

569
00:57:10.480 --> 00:57:15.480
other NHL score from last night,
and that's Vancouver coming from three goals down

570
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to beat Edmonton five to four.
They scored three goals in five and a

571
00:57:17.280 --> 00:57:22.280
half minutes. Connor Garland had the
game winner. I started watching this game,

572
00:57:22.320 --> 00:57:24.960
couldn't stay for the whole thing.
Started watching this game, I'm thinking,

573
00:57:25.079 --> 00:57:31.480
thinking, and Edmonton is skating all
over Vancouver and then boom they come

574
00:57:31.519 --> 00:57:37.119
back. What happened the other day
against Colorado? Colorado comes from the Greek

575
00:57:37.159 --> 00:57:45.920
of three goals down and beats Dallas. You never know, it keeps you

576
00:57:46.400 --> 00:57:51.199
in there, keeps you hanging on
there, don't you think? I've read

577
00:57:51.239 --> 00:57:55.440
this the other day and at some
point I'm going to let it go.

578
00:57:57.599 --> 00:58:00.559
When it is, I don't know, but I've got to let it go.

579
00:58:01.159 --> 00:58:08.360
Think about it. The nineteen ninety
two Olympic men's basketball team. Nineteen

580
00:58:08.480 --> 00:58:12.920
ninety two. Some of you weren't
even born that. It's thirty two years

581
00:58:12.960 --> 00:58:19.239
ago, right. Why does it
bother me still? I don't know,

582
00:58:19.320 --> 00:58:23.719
man, It just there's something in
me that has a hard time letting this

583
00:58:23.760 --> 00:58:31.800
one go. And it's brought up
pretty regularly. Isaiah Thomas was left off

584
00:58:31.800 --> 00:58:36.960
that team. It's known as the
Dream Team. I'm sure you know who

585
00:58:37.039 --> 00:58:39.079
was on that team, you know, with Magic Johnson and Larry Byrd and

586
00:58:39.159 --> 00:58:45.559
David Robinson, John Paxson and Karl
Malone and Charles Barkley and Michael Jordan,

587
00:58:45.639 --> 00:58:49.960
blah blah blah, Scottie Pippen,
go on and on that, Patrick Ewing,

588
00:58:50.760 --> 00:58:53.719
Christian Layner. Ah. But anyway, Isaiah Thomas was left off that

589
00:58:53.760 --> 00:59:00.000
team. Charles Barkley appeared on a
podcast of Shannon Sharp's the other day and

590
00:59:00.079 --> 00:59:10.599
Sharp asked him. Barkley basically said, it's because Michael Jordan didn't want him

591
00:59:10.639 --> 00:59:19.320
on the team. He was left
Isaiah Thomas left off the team because Michael

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Jordan didn't want to play with him. And he also admits that Isaiah Thomas

593
00:59:25.679 --> 00:59:29.679
was the best little man of all
time. He has said that in a

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00:59:29.679 --> 00:59:34.800
different interview. Steph Curry's right there, but he said, if I had

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00:59:34.920 --> 00:59:37.920
if I had to win one game
with a little guy, one of the

596
00:59:37.960 --> 00:59:42.280
younger, smaller guys in the league, it'd be Isaiah Thomas. Cut your

597
00:59:42.280 --> 00:59:57.320
heart out, mad respect for his
ability and his fight to win. Now,

598
00:59:57.360 --> 01:00:01.360
we would remind you it doesn't make
him a great human being. A

599
01:00:01.400 --> 01:00:07.079
lot of people didn't trust him.
I get it. We're talking about your

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01:00:07.119 --> 01:00:15.239
ability to play the game of basketball, and he was one of the best

601
01:00:15.239 --> 01:00:20.719
players in the world at the time. But Michael Jordan ruled the roost.

602
01:00:22.119 --> 01:00:24.559
I've said this at nauseam, so
I apologize if you've heard it before.

603
01:00:27.000 --> 01:00:30.119
Sure, I'm pissed off at Michael
Jordan for that. I'm just as pissed

604
01:00:30.119 --> 01:00:32.239
off as Chuck Daily and Magic Johnson. Magic Johnson was supposed to be his

605
01:00:32.360 --> 01:00:38.280
buddy, Chuck Daily was his coach, and neither one of them had the

606
01:00:38.360 --> 01:00:44.880
guts to say anything. But we
do get now. Do I think Michael

607
01:00:44.960 --> 01:00:52.880
Jordan owes him a public apology like
Isiah Thomas has asked for no? But

608
01:00:52.960 --> 01:00:59.000
I truly believe, and I've said
it forever, back in the time I

609
01:00:59.039 --> 01:01:06.239
was working Detroit Radio in nineteen ninety
two, and yes, I said the

610
01:01:06.280 --> 01:01:12.480
same thing. Jordan kept him off. What I didn't know until years later

611
01:01:13.000 --> 01:01:19.440
is that Dali and Johnson went along
with it just as troubling. I'd like

612
01:01:19.480 --> 01:01:22.480
to see somebody interview Magic Johnson and
say, if you were supposed to be

613
01:01:22.559 --> 01:01:24.880
his best friend or one of his
best friends, you guys met at Center

614
01:01:24.960 --> 01:01:29.599
Cordon back in nineteen eighty eight,
in nineteen eighty nine, and you kissed

615
01:01:29.639 --> 01:01:31.440
each other on the cheek, and
you know, you called each other,

616
01:01:31.519 --> 01:01:35.519
you know, hung out with one
another. Why didn't you do something about

617
01:01:35.519 --> 01:01:39.960
it? Why is it always Michael
Jordan who's the bad guy in the situation,

618
01:01:40.280 --> 01:01:44.199
and nobody else who actually stood up
and said, you know what,

619
01:01:44.519 --> 01:01:46.599
he's one of the best players in
the world. He should be on this

620
01:01:46.719 --> 01:01:54.400
team. Am I being hypocritical because
I think there is something to team chemistry?

621
01:01:54.519 --> 01:02:02.679
Maybe I'll admit that one hundred percent
because he was a Piston because he

622
01:02:02.760 --> 01:02:14.119
was representing my team, my state, my city. Yes, if it

623
01:02:14.159 --> 01:02:15.760
were somebody else, if it were
Scottie Pippen and I said, hey,

624
01:02:15.760 --> 01:02:21.519
man, players got to trust one
another, Players have to appreciate one another,

625
01:02:22.880 --> 01:02:27.559
players have to believe in that guy. There's something to harmony, there's

626
01:02:27.599 --> 01:02:35.360
something to chemistry. Okay, I'll
open myself up. Absolutely. I could

627
01:02:35.360 --> 01:02:39.880
be seen as being a hypocrite here. I didn't think Scotty Pippen was in

628
01:02:39.920 --> 01:02:45.840
that category with Isaiah Thomas. But
if you wanted to use that example,

629
01:02:46.239 --> 01:02:52.880
you would win the argument. Charles
Barkley is the latest to confirm what we

630
01:02:53.000 --> 01:03:00.000
have all felt for a while.
The bothersome thing about it is that nobody

631
01:03:00.079 --> 01:03:05.719
he ever ask Magic Johnson about that
or Jordan himself, And now so much

632
01:03:05.760 --> 01:03:09.960
time has elapsed thirty two years.
Who really cares Meyer? Hotline eight sixty

633
01:03:09.960 --> 01:03:13.440
six eight three eight forty eight forty
three. Let's go to the lines,

634
01:03:13.920 --> 01:03:15.400
Ben, who's waiting for us?
Yeah, we got Jake and Grand Rabbins.

635
01:03:16.039 --> 01:03:21.199
Hi Jake, Good morning to you. How are you. I'm doing

636
01:03:21.320 --> 01:03:24.280
well. Long time listener of you. I listened to you when you were

637
01:03:24.400 --> 01:03:30.199
back with Michigan basketball. Just had
a couple of thoughts on what coach Montgomery

638
01:03:30.280 --> 01:03:34.280
said about the Pasta and ka Chuck
fight. Yeah, I think it's kind

639
01:03:34.280 --> 01:03:37.199
of just kind of bogus that he
said it's not going to bleed over into

640
01:03:37.239 --> 01:03:40.679
games three. You know, this
is playoff hockey. Like that's like saying

641
01:03:40.719 --> 01:03:46.239
that Lemieux and McCarty back in the
late nineties, you know when they had

642
01:03:46.280 --> 01:03:50.880
their scuffles that they just didn't know
when they were on the ice together,

643
01:03:51.079 --> 01:03:54.079
Like Ka Chuck's that guy. He's
going to be out there a thorn in

644
01:03:54.159 --> 01:03:59.440
the side of Pasta and Marshawn.
He's going to be looking for those guys

645
01:03:59.480 --> 01:04:01.559
when they're on the ice together.
I think it's, you know, complete

646
01:04:01.559 --> 01:04:04.199
bogus for two rival teams like that, like, oh, it's not going

647
01:04:04.239 --> 01:04:06.719
to bleed over. We're just gonna
go on to the next game, get

648
01:04:06.719 --> 01:04:10.840
it out of the way. I
think it's the complete opposite. I think

649
01:04:10.960 --> 01:04:16.800
especially sent Uh gave him the two
pretty good shots to the head when Pasta

650
01:04:16.880 --> 01:04:19.639
is already on the ground. I
think, you know, it's going to

651
01:04:19.679 --> 01:04:23.559
put something in the back of Pasta's
mind, always looking out to make sure

652
01:04:23.639 --> 01:04:28.119
that Chuck's not on the ice in
this series. And yeah, I don't

653
01:04:28.159 --> 01:04:30.000
disagree with that at all. I
didn't say it wouldn't bleed over, Jim

654
01:04:30.000 --> 01:04:33.800
Montgomery. That was the sound bite
that he I'm saying, Yeah, I

655
01:04:33.840 --> 01:04:39.360
believe, I believe it bleed over. I don't know why. I absolutely

656
01:04:40.000 --> 01:04:45.119
will bleed Yeah, I think so. I think. Look it's Paul Maurice

657
01:04:45.119 --> 01:04:48.880
said it during that sound bite.
These are two they've become rivals now because

658
01:04:48.920 --> 01:04:53.760
of playoff series a year agoing now
this year. And thanks for the phone

659
01:04:53.760 --> 01:04:57.559
call. Sorry, we're up against
the break. Appreciate the call and great

660
01:04:57.599 --> 01:05:00.519
insight. Yeah, absolutely, I
mean, obviously huge hockey fan. You

661
01:05:00.559 --> 01:05:03.760
and I are both watching it last
night. I believe now will it be

662
01:05:03.760 --> 01:05:08.519
in the first period right away at
first shift? Probably not, But yeah,

663
01:05:08.599 --> 01:05:10.920
I mean I think it was important
for Pastro and Ich to do that

664
01:05:10.920 --> 01:05:13.199
because he's not seen as a fighter, and I think that says something to

665
01:05:13.239 --> 01:05:16.159
his team. I think there is
something about that in sports. There are

666
01:05:16.239 --> 01:05:21.159
messages set, There's no doubt about
it in every sport in different situations.

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I hate cutting people short, but
I can't expect them to wait through a

689
01:07:21.480 --> 01:07:29.480
commercial break. It was such a
that would have been a good conversation the

690
01:07:29.519 --> 01:07:33.119
hockey stuff last night. Look,
I'm in total agreement with Scott who had

691
01:07:33.159 --> 01:07:36.679
called in just part of the break. He's dead on there. I do

692
01:07:36.800 --> 01:07:44.800
believe there is carry over. They
said it during the broadcast. I forget

693
01:07:44.800 --> 01:07:47.159
which one, but I'm pretty sure
it was during the Boston Florida game.

694
01:07:47.599 --> 01:07:55.039
Hockey players have long memories. It
was phrased by saying that they don't have

695
01:07:55.079 --> 01:08:00.039
short ones. They have long memories. They know what's going on. So

696
01:08:00.199 --> 01:08:04.320
Scott really appreciate that phone call.
Love the passion. You can hear it

697
01:08:04.360 --> 01:08:11.119
in your voice call anytime. Really
enjoyed that brief conversation. Wish it could

698
01:08:11.159 --> 01:08:14.199
go a little bit longer, speaking
of hockey real quick, and then we're

699
01:08:14.239 --> 01:08:19.199
going to get to something related to
the Lions in football. I had mentioned

700
01:08:19.279 --> 01:08:28.880
yesterday the finalists for the Heart Trophy
Nathan McKinnon Colorado, who I think is

701
01:08:28.920 --> 01:08:30.239
going to win. Of course,
I thought Donchis would win MVP in the

702
01:08:30.319 --> 01:08:39.199
NBA, and I was wrong.
Connor McDavid and Nikita Kucheroff of Tampa.

703
01:08:41.000 --> 01:08:45.199
Kucharovs already won it twice, McDavid's
won it three times. McKinnon has not

704
01:08:45.479 --> 01:08:50.039
won it yet. He's had an
unbelievable year. Colorado has had a really

705
01:08:50.079 --> 01:08:56.960
good year. I think he's going
to win it, but it wouldn't necessarily

706
01:08:57.039 --> 01:09:04.760
surprise me if Kutcheroff wins it either. I lamented that Austin Matthews is not

707
01:09:04.840 --> 01:09:09.920
a finalist. He scored sixty nine
goals. He's not a finalist. What's

708
01:09:09.960 --> 01:09:16.039
interesting is the NHL Players Association has
named their three finals for the Ted Lindsay

709
01:09:16.119 --> 01:09:29.760
Award. Matthews is on that.
It's Player of the Year. Players in

710
01:09:29.800 --> 01:09:35.920
the NHL vote for this, going
SOT Outstanding player in the NHL. What

711
01:09:36.079 --> 01:09:44.039
means more that or writers voting?
What do you think would be more prestigious.

712
01:09:44.960 --> 01:09:46.920
You're voted amongst your peers. I
would guess that means a little bit

713
01:09:46.920 --> 01:09:51.680
more to you. And Matthews has
won that before. Kucharov has won it

714
01:09:51.760 --> 01:10:00.439
as well. Here are the three
Matthews, McKinnon. You're off as good

715
01:10:00.439 --> 01:10:03.600
as Nathan McKinnon is, and he's
one of the greatest players in the world.

716
01:10:04.760 --> 01:10:09.319
Beau say, he's a top five
player in the world. Nathan McKinnon,

717
01:10:13.560 --> 01:10:16.640
he's never won it. He's never
won the Heart, and he's never

718
01:10:16.680 --> 01:10:26.680
won the Ted Lindsay. Matthews is
going to win this. He's not even

719
01:10:26.800 --> 01:10:31.560
up for the Heart. I bet
you, I'll bet you players look at

720
01:10:31.600 --> 01:10:36.399
that as a huge slight. It's
hard to narrow it down to three guys

721
01:10:39.079 --> 01:10:44.800
how good the NHL is. But
I think what's gonna happen is he's gonna

722
01:10:45.600 --> 01:10:50.079
He's gonna win the Ted Lindsay Award, sixty nine goals, one hundred and

723
01:10:50.079 --> 01:10:57.159
seven points, Tenth player in NHL
history to have six or more hat tricks

724
01:10:57.199 --> 01:11:06.279
in a season. McKinnon wins the
Heart, Matthews wins the Ted Lindsay.

725
01:11:08.159 --> 01:11:12.840
Just my opinion could be off base
there, but I'm gonna call that shot.

726
01:11:13.279 --> 01:11:17.159
I don't want to be you know, the guy on MLB network who

727
01:11:17.239 --> 01:11:21.720
said, watch, we're gonna have
no hit alert and then like first batter

728
01:11:21.760 --> 01:11:26.560
in guy hits a home run.
I don't want to do I don't want

729
01:11:26.560 --> 01:11:28.880
to be that. I don't want
to be that guy and have that type

730
01:11:28.920 --> 01:11:32.479
of reputation. I'm just giving you
my thoughts, Okay, all right,

731
01:11:32.560 --> 01:11:40.079
NFL, when the Lions were able
to move up and draft Terry on Arnold

732
01:11:40.159 --> 01:11:45.800
out of Alabama, many people were
a little surprised. They were surprised because

733
01:11:45.720 --> 01:11:48.680
they didn't think he would be there. I think they might be a little

734
01:11:48.720 --> 01:11:54.960
surprised that the Lions would give up
a third to get to him. Probably

735
01:11:55.000 --> 01:12:00.319
more surprised that they drafted Breakstraw on
the second, but whatever. Here's the

736
01:12:00.439 --> 01:12:08.680
question that many people wondered. What
had to happen in order for him to

737
01:12:08.720 --> 01:12:13.640
be there. One of the things
that had to happen was that the Raiders

738
01:12:13.640 --> 01:12:21.520
had to pass on him. The
Raiders, choosing thirteenth, selected brock Bowers,

739
01:12:23.319 --> 01:12:27.359
the tight end out of Georgia,
who is a difference maker. He's

740
01:12:27.359 --> 01:12:34.880
going to help an O'Connell or who's
ever under center for the Raiders. Terry

741
01:12:34.880 --> 01:12:44.439
on Arnold was on a podcast recently
and here's what he had to say on

742
01:12:44.520 --> 01:12:49.039
what the Raiders told him on why
he would eventually be available for the Lions

743
01:12:49.079 --> 01:12:54.039
at twenty four And the Lions picked
you. For you to get that moment

744
01:12:54.159 --> 01:12:58.239
on the stage with those Detroit fans
was incredible to watch. I can only

745
01:12:58.279 --> 01:13:02.199
imagine how great it was for you. It's amazing. I mean, all

746
01:13:02.199 --> 01:13:05.159
my females from Alabama, they were
like her, I would be the one

747
01:13:05.159 --> 01:13:10.199
to get drafted with the draft.
Yeah, I mean, how much conversation

748
01:13:10.319 --> 01:13:13.600
did you have with Brad Holmes and
with Dan Campbell and with that organization.

749
01:13:15.279 --> 01:13:16.800
I went on to visit there and
honestly they told me, they said,

750
01:13:17.199 --> 01:13:20.399
you're one of those guys we have
to trade up to get, but our

751
01:13:20.439 --> 01:13:26.479
past may cross. We don't think
we'll be able to get you. And

752
01:13:26.560 --> 01:13:29.960
my agent, Nicole sh did a
very great job, but just she actually

753
01:13:30.039 --> 01:13:31.680
texted them that following morning and said, hey, you know, it's a

754
01:13:31.760 --> 01:13:36.600
heavy old line receiver, quarterback,
heavy office, some draft class man,

755
01:13:36.640 --> 01:13:40.439
y'all. Y'all might have a chance. And then just from going back and

756
01:13:40.479 --> 01:13:45.119
talking to him, they they knew
that the Raiders was that they took me.

757
01:13:45.159 --> 01:13:48.760
And actually the Raiders coach they called
me after the drift they were like,

758
01:13:48.800 --> 01:13:51.840
you know, we actually had a
coin toss between you and brought Bowers

759
01:13:51.920 --> 01:13:55.680
and mand it on him. I
was like, oh wow. And then

760
01:13:56.399 --> 01:13:59.560
after the Raiders passed they said,
okay, we got to get up there

761
01:13:59.600 --> 01:14:02.640
before actually, actually, Brad,
they were trying to trade all the way

762
01:14:02.680 --> 01:14:06.079
up the thirteen sixteen to get them. So When's is one of those things

763
01:14:06.079 --> 01:14:10.680
where you go where you wanted and
that right there, man, that fit

764
01:14:11.119 --> 01:14:14.560
in as far as how the fans
are schemes that they run and just even

765
01:14:14.600 --> 01:14:18.039
being around guys like James or Jamir, especially Brian like man, it was

766
01:14:18.039 --> 01:14:23.880
a dream come true for me.
So Terry on Arnold, they're on the

767
01:14:23.920 --> 01:14:32.319
Next Round podcast saying that the Raiders
told him that it was It actually had

768
01:14:32.359 --> 01:14:38.359
a coin toss between him and Bowers
and it landed on him. So he

769
01:14:38.479 --> 01:14:42.479
was like, oh wow. Now
the Raiders would not confirm that. Of

770
01:14:42.520 --> 01:14:46.960
course they're not going to admit to
that. Do you think that's a figure

771
01:14:47.000 --> 01:14:53.159
of speech? A common phrase used
it was a coin flipped between you two

772
01:14:53.199 --> 01:14:56.760
guys and we went with Bowers or
in you lawns or do you think they

773
01:14:56.840 --> 01:15:00.319
truly flipped the coin? Now?
In me, my thought was, wait

774
01:15:00.359 --> 01:15:05.960
a minute. The general manager,
Champ Kelly, was asked about this,

775
01:15:08.159 --> 01:15:13.159
according to ESPN, and he said
he can't confirm that at all. Do

776
01:15:13.239 --> 01:15:20.960
you think there's not much clarification there? But do you think the Raiders are

777
01:15:20.960 --> 01:15:25.920
going on a coin flip? Hell
no, that's got to be a figure

778
01:15:25.960 --> 01:15:30.520
of speech. And the reason he's
not going to confirm it is because of

779
01:15:30.520 --> 01:15:33.800
what he wants to make sure brock
Bowers feels good about himself as a Raider.

780
01:15:36.920 --> 01:15:43.039
He's not going to say we determine
our draft picks when we have two

781
01:15:43.159 --> 01:15:47.560
guys rated highly based on a coin
flip. Brock Bowers, your heads,

782
01:15:48.560 --> 01:15:57.079
Terry on Arnold your tails. No, that's not how it works. There's

783
01:15:57.239 --> 01:16:00.920
no way that's what they did.
This is not Matt Millen run in the

784
01:16:00.960 --> 01:16:04.079
front office. Now. Was I
surprised? Yeah, I was a little

785
01:16:04.119 --> 01:16:09.800
surprised because they used a second round
pick a year ago on Michael Mayer.

786
01:16:12.640 --> 01:16:18.720
He's not necessarily viewed as the a
pure tight end. He's an offensive weapon.

787
01:16:18.880 --> 01:16:24.000
He's a really good pass catcher.
He's a big, huge body,

788
01:16:24.399 --> 01:16:30.000
no doubt about it. But Bowers
does everything. It's a good blocker,

789
01:16:30.520 --> 01:16:42.079
you can flex him. He's a
mismatch of a cover. So I was

790
01:16:42.119 --> 01:16:49.680
slightly surprised that Bowers landed there.
But yeah, it's a coin flip.

791
01:16:49.720 --> 01:16:54.239
I think it's just a phrase.
That's what I mean, because that's what

792
01:16:54.279 --> 01:16:56.439
everybody was saying. I mean,
they're they're freaking out about this. They're

793
01:16:56.439 --> 01:16:59.880
going, oh my gosh, the
Raiders. You know, they're not using

794
01:16:59.920 --> 01:17:02.399
it coin flip to say, Okay, this is how it works. Sorry,

795
01:17:04.079 --> 01:17:11.600
it's a figure of speech. CBS
Sports came out with a recent article

796
01:17:13.000 --> 01:17:18.039
and I immediately thought, disrespect Sometimes. I think that word is overused in

797
01:17:18.079 --> 01:17:25.680
sports. But I immediately thought disrespect. They ranked the quarterbacks in the NFL.

798
01:17:30.560 --> 01:17:33.720
Ben, If I asked you to
name the top three quarterbacks in the

799
01:17:33.840 --> 01:17:43.840
NFL, who would you say?
Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, and probably

800
01:17:43.920 --> 01:17:50.000
Josh Allen good Okay, I would
say Patrick Mahomes one. I'd probably say

801
01:17:50.079 --> 01:17:59.600
Josh Allen two and Joe Burrow three. Lamar Jackson. Yeah, yeah,

802
01:18:00.319 --> 01:18:03.239
up there. Brock Purty doesn't get
much love, does he from people?

803
01:18:03.399 --> 01:18:12.880
They think he's a system quarterback.
They think he manages the game two years

804
01:18:12.920 --> 01:18:16.800
too, NFC title games, a
super Bowl. I don't know what the

805
01:18:16.840 --> 01:18:21.640
guy's got to do. Anyway,
CBS ranks them this way, and you'll

806
01:18:21.760 --> 01:18:26.279
understand my point when it comes to
the disrespect. In a moment, Patrick

807
01:18:26.279 --> 01:18:30.439
Mahomes won, Brock Purty two,
Josh Allen three, Joe Burrow four,

808
01:18:31.000 --> 01:18:39.079
CJ. Stroud five, Lamar Jackson
six. Lamar Jackson wins the MVP for

809
01:18:39.159 --> 01:18:44.079
the second time in his career,
and he's behind a guy who is one

810
01:18:44.199 --> 01:18:55.520
year deep into his NFL career.
What Jalen Hurts seven, Dak Prescott eight,

811
01:18:56.000 --> 01:19:05.239
Justin Herbert nine, Jordan Love ten. If I'm Justin Herbert, if

812
01:19:05.279 --> 01:19:09.840
I'm Jalen Hurts. You got c. J. Stroud ahead of me.

813
01:19:10.279 --> 01:19:13.760
Doesn't a guy have to prove a
little bit more than one year? Maybe

814
01:19:13.800 --> 01:19:23.319
not. Where do you think they
ranked Jared Goff? Where does Jared Goff

815
01:19:23.439 --> 01:19:31.680
stand among starting quarterbacks in the NFL? They only rank thirty two. Where

816
01:19:31.680 --> 01:19:43.560
do you think Jared Goff lies?
Jared Goff is ranked thirteenth? Here's what

817
01:19:43.600 --> 01:19:48.039
they write. Perhaps no signal caller
has done more to restore respect in recent

818
01:19:48.119 --> 01:19:55.520
years, rewriting his reputation as a
gutsy figurehead for the Lions return to relevance.

819
01:19:56.279 --> 01:19:59.800
Now comes another chance to prove himself, fresh off a bid for a

820
01:20:00.039 --> 01:20:05.399
Super Bowl appearance that painfully fell short. Now keep in mind, this is

821
01:20:05.399 --> 01:20:15.399
a guy who's already led one team
to a Super Bowl rams and has turned

822
01:20:15.439 --> 01:20:20.199
around or helped turn around, because
it's not all him helped turn around a

823
01:20:20.319 --> 01:20:33.359
failing franchise into an NFC contender.
He's ranked thirteenth. Besides the ten ahead

824
01:20:33.359 --> 01:20:39.600
of him, Aaron Rodgers to a
tongue of Aloa are ahead of him as

825
01:20:39.640 --> 01:20:46.720
well. If you don't believe that
he's thirteenth, if you believe he should

826
01:20:46.720 --> 01:20:50.640
be higher. The reason I bring
up the other names, is who should

827
01:20:50.640 --> 01:20:57.039
he be in front of? And
then it lends this question, is he

828
01:20:57.119 --> 01:21:00.199
a top ten quarterback? By the
way, Matthew Stafford, I'm sure some

829
01:21:00.239 --> 01:21:03.680
of your wonder they got him ranked
sixteenth behind Kirk Cousins and Trevor Lawrence.

830
01:21:05.159 --> 01:21:10.399
Maybe that tells you something about the
poll or the rankings. Let's go to

831
01:21:10.439 --> 01:21:13.560
the phone lines, the Meyer hotline. Eighty six eight three eight forty eight

832
01:21:13.680 --> 01:21:15.760
forty three? Who do we got
next? Ben? We got David Hudsonville,

833
01:21:16.359 --> 01:21:18.960
Hi, Dave, how were you
this morning? Say? Good morning,

834
01:21:19.640 --> 01:21:21.800
well, chef, how are you
doing? Matt good? Good,

835
01:21:21.800 --> 01:21:27.520
Thanks for the call. So you
know, it's an interesting topic because context

836
01:21:27.560 --> 01:21:30.560
matters so much. Yeah, when
you when you just talked about Stafford and

837
01:21:30.600 --> 01:21:35.439
when you talk about Cousins, and
I think they're still significantly apart because of

838
01:21:35.479 --> 01:21:40.840
Stafford winning an mv oric seeming winning
a super Bowl. But we got to

839
01:21:40.880 --> 01:21:44.119
see him. I mean, there's
not a tougher quarterback and a guy who's

840
01:21:44.159 --> 01:21:47.760
produced with some real challenging situations in
Stafford over the years. And I don't

841
01:21:47.800 --> 01:21:51.640
detrade. Fans have mixed feelings,
but man, I love Stafford as a

842
01:21:51.720 --> 01:21:56.000
Rider die Lions for like, you
know, fifty five years because he gave

843
01:21:56.079 --> 01:22:00.319
us everything he had. And if
you look at Cousins stat over his career,

844
01:22:00.760 --> 01:22:04.159
they're tremendous, you know. But
he's got a story based on the

845
01:22:04.199 --> 01:22:06.239
I know, he can't win in
prime time. He doesn't win in this

846
01:22:06.359 --> 01:22:10.840
or that. Well if you put
Kirk Cousins with you know, Shanahan and

847
01:22:10.920 --> 01:22:15.199
San Francisco or what goes on.
So I really do think it's almost like

848
01:22:15.239 --> 01:22:17.960
to me when we think about great
Tigers teams and we don't think about our

849
01:22:18.039 --> 01:22:23.079
number one pitcher or number two,
but a guy who goes out there like

850
01:22:23.119 --> 01:22:26.600
maybe Dan Petrie or some of the
other guys you know, not Jack Morris

851
01:22:26.840 --> 01:22:30.760
or not Berlander, but those guys
that are a good fit and they just

852
01:22:30.840 --> 01:22:33.199
do their job, you know.
And that's I think the love Purdy gets.

853
01:22:33.399 --> 01:22:36.479
But you can't have Jordan Love in
there. Jordan Low hasn't done anything,

854
01:22:38.159 --> 01:22:41.560
you know, well, not of
substance. So here's what I try

855
01:22:41.600 --> 01:22:44.960
to weigh. And I don't know
the answer to this. Maybe you can

856
01:22:44.960 --> 01:22:48.000
help me with it. If a
guy has been around We'll use Lamar Jackson

857
01:22:48.039 --> 01:22:51.720
as an example. He's been around
long enough and he's won two MVPs.

858
01:22:53.039 --> 01:22:55.840
Is he not ahead of c J. Stroud. On the other hand,

859
01:22:56.600 --> 01:22:59.920
if you look at a guy like
Aaron Rodgers, he's ranked eleventh a lot,

860
01:23:00.000 --> 01:23:03.119
so that is based on what his
past reputation. Should he deserve to

861
01:23:03.159 --> 01:23:08.560
be at eleven because he was hurt
all of last year but has a resume

862
01:23:08.600 --> 01:23:13.159
that is Hall of Fame worthy.
You know that you nailed it right there,

863
01:23:13.199 --> 01:23:16.399
because you can be prisoner of the
moment with CJ. Stroud and you

864
01:23:16.399 --> 01:23:19.319
can also say, oh my gosh, we have such great history with Aaron

865
01:23:19.359 --> 01:23:24.159
Rodgers. It's somewhere in between,
you know what I mean, Because at

866
01:23:24.159 --> 01:23:26.640
the end of the day, you
know CJ. Stroud had a great season,

867
01:23:27.119 --> 01:23:30.439
but prove it over time like Rogers
has, or like Stafford has or

868
01:23:30.439 --> 01:23:33.560
whatever. Joe Burrows that a couple
of good, really good seasons, but

869
01:23:33.600 --> 01:23:38.079
at the end of the day create
a body of work. You know.

870
01:23:38.399 --> 01:23:43.560
It's like in Major League Baseball they
talk about when you get somebody who's been

871
01:23:43.600 --> 01:23:46.880
playing for seven eight years, you
pretty much know their stats and what they're

872
01:23:46.920 --> 01:23:49.600
going to be hitting the ball.
They know that Darry Sheffield is going to

873
01:23:49.680 --> 01:23:54.600
hit this many home runs or Miguel's
going to do this or that until they

874
01:23:54.680 --> 01:23:58.039
hit that decline age. I think
it's the same as true as quarterback,

875
01:23:58.119 --> 01:24:02.800
but we just get too fascinated with
quarterback one hundred percent. I mean it's

876
01:24:02.840 --> 01:24:06.680
like you wrote it and I signed
my name to it. That's perfectly said.

877
01:24:06.720 --> 01:24:10.439
Thanks for the phone call. Great
stuff, man, I mean dead

878
01:24:10.479 --> 01:24:15.319
on there. We are so fascinated
with quarterbacks, there's no doubt about that.

879
01:24:15.439 --> 01:24:19.039
But there's a reason for it.
And the reason is is because they're

880
01:24:19.079 --> 01:24:24.880
touching the football every single play,
and we truly believe that they are the

881
01:24:24.920 --> 01:24:30.680
difference maker. It's the most goalie. Those two positions are the most important

882
01:24:30.720 --> 01:24:35.760
positions in all of sports. Point
Guards used to be really important. Now

883
01:24:35.800 --> 01:24:40.479
you've got point forwards. You got
centers stepping out, hitting threes not so

884
01:24:40.600 --> 01:24:43.800
much, right, Sure, a
starting pitcher is really important, but there

885
01:24:43.800 --> 01:24:45.560
are also as you just mentioned,
you got that number two guy, that

886
01:24:45.640 --> 01:24:48.960
number three guy who can help you
in a lot of places, certain rotations.

887
01:24:49.039 --> 01:24:55.840
Number four, I mean, look
at Philadelphia, look at look at

888
01:24:55.840 --> 01:25:01.600
the Phillies. You take Zach Wheeler, Yeah, is he a one or

889
01:25:01.640 --> 01:25:06.560
is he a two? Either way, they got to Ahillies got a hell

890
01:25:06.600 --> 01:25:10.880
of a one to two punch,
Aaron Nola, which one you want to

891
01:25:10.880 --> 01:25:14.720
determine us? The two in quarterback, Aaron Football, You've got to have

892
01:25:14.760 --> 01:25:17.960
the quarterback, have to You got
to have the trigger. That's why we're

893
01:25:18.079 --> 01:25:23.000
enamored with it. But are we
living in the moment? That's so well

894
01:25:23.039 --> 01:25:26.199
said. Are we living in the
moment? The moment? At eight thirty

895
01:25:26.239 --> 01:25:29.039
five is when we talk to Jason
Beck of MLB dot com. He joins

896
01:25:29.119 --> 01:25:30.960
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Huge Show. That's Tigers dot Com
Forward Slash Huge Show. Get some facts

921
01:28:00.079 --> 01:28:03.720
and come back and seev. Get
some facts and come back and SEV.

922
01:28:04.039 --> 01:28:09.199
Don't throw out salaries or other things. Get some facts and come back and

923
01:28:09.319 --> 01:28:13.479
Seev. You can't handle the true
now told our players you need a bit

924
01:28:13.479 --> 01:28:15.000
more like a dog. We don't
need a bunch of cats in here.

925
01:28:15.720 --> 01:28:19.199
Looking in the mirror, I look
good. I got my extra bands on,

926
01:28:19.479 --> 01:28:23.800
I got my other shoes. Be
a doll. We don't need no

927
01:28:23.960 --> 01:28:27.479
meals. We don't need no cats. We need more dogs. Why a

928
01:28:27.560 --> 01:28:31.479
lot of the time are you not
at the time we weren't good. There's

929
01:28:31.479 --> 01:28:34.239
no sense asking me things about the
game. I'm telling you we laid an

930
01:28:34.239 --> 01:28:36.840
egg. So I'm not gonna break
it down for you. He sucks,

931
01:28:38.880 --> 01:28:42.479
He sucked, He laid an egg. That's all I have to say.

932
01:28:42.479 --> 01:28:44.560
Guys, I'm sorry. I'm not
going to break it down for you.

933
01:28:44.680 --> 01:28:46.880
Nothing went well for us. It's
on us. We have to figure it

934
01:28:46.880 --> 01:28:51.880
out and we went we needs your
dad. It is showtime on a Thursday.

935
01:28:53.039 --> 01:28:57.199
Welcome on the ninth of May.
Myer hotline eight sixty six eight three

936
01:28:57.319 --> 01:29:00.399
eight forty eight forty three. That's
some good call here this morning. Really

937
01:29:00.439 --> 01:29:05.720
appreciate it. You add to the
show man and you really do. I

938
01:29:06.000 --> 01:29:09.920
like it when we get calls then
don't you love it when you get calls

939
01:29:09.960 --> 01:29:14.319
that make you think, oh,
yeah, you know it's it really is

940
01:29:14.359 --> 01:29:17.399
the beauty of what the show can
bring. And same with tax in Text

941
01:29:17.760 --> 01:29:20.920
Sports Radio to twenty one thousand.
This is exues and Bros. We're with

942
01:29:20.960 --> 01:29:25.159
you Monday through Friday, six until
nine. Jason Beck will join us the

943
01:29:25.159 --> 01:29:28.760
bottom of the hour. My good
friend Dennis Fithian will be in this chair

944
01:29:28.920 --> 01:29:32.079
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945
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946
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947
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948
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great cities throughout this state. If
you missed it yesterday and we'll talk with

949
01:29:53.399 --> 01:29:57.479
Jason Beck about this coming up.
Tigers lose in ten innings to the Guardians

950
01:29:57.560 --> 01:30:00.800
five to four, I said earlier
in the sixth clock hour, But we

951
01:30:00.840 --> 01:30:03.720
get different listeners all the time.
This is very similar to guarding an inbound

952
01:30:03.800 --> 01:30:09.560
pass. I believe, what do
you do in the tenth inning? Do

953
01:30:09.600 --> 01:30:13.359
you play for the run and take
the lead like the Tigers did not do

954
01:30:15.039 --> 01:30:18.399
in the tenth inning last night?
They wanted to play for a big inning.

955
01:30:20.239 --> 01:30:28.640
Javier bayaz On a ground ball to
short gets makes the out, the

956
01:30:28.680 --> 01:30:31.439
first out of the inning, second, third, whatever, okay, tagged

957
01:30:31.479 --> 01:30:35.840
by Jose Ramirez, whatever, All
right, So there's one out and that

958
01:30:35.960 --> 01:30:41.079
just diffuses everything. And then that
allows Cleveland, knowing that all they need

959
01:30:41.119 --> 01:30:45.560
is to run, they're going to
bunt their man over. Loreano was bunted

960
01:30:45.560 --> 01:30:53.000
to third and then driven in by
Brian Rochio with a single dissenter. It's

961
01:30:53.039 --> 01:30:55.520
more than just what took place in
the tenth inning. It's what took place

962
01:30:55.520 --> 01:30:59.319
in the eighth inning, the throwing
air by Jake Rodgers, the ninth inning,

963
01:30:59.600 --> 01:31:02.479
the bad pitch by Andrew Chaffin,
and instead of a four to win

964
01:31:03.000 --> 01:31:05.399
it's four three, it's four to
four, and then it's a five to

965
01:31:05.439 --> 01:31:12.199
four walk off win for Cleveland.
Detroit seven to eight in one run games.

966
01:31:12.720 --> 01:31:15.960
The fifteen to one run games the
most played in Major League Baseball.

967
01:31:16.439 --> 01:31:21.600
They're a game under five hundred and
they host Houston. They host Houston in

968
01:31:21.680 --> 01:31:29.600
the first of a three game weekend
set tomorrow. Immediately when you think Houston,

969
01:31:29.600 --> 01:31:33.800
at least I do. Anyway,
you think hose L Twove, Alex

970
01:31:33.880 --> 01:31:43.439
Brigman, Jordan Alvarez. Scary team. They're twelve and twenty four, They've

971
01:31:43.479 --> 01:31:48.199
lost four in a row. They
are off to a horrid start. It

972
01:31:48.239 --> 01:31:51.800
has to be one of the biggest
surprises in all of baseball. We'll talk

973
01:31:51.840 --> 01:31:56.159
to Jason Beck of MLB dot Com
at the bottom of the hour about that.

974
01:31:56.880 --> 01:31:59.720
Jeremy Paine is a really good player, right Rooky of the year so

975
01:32:00.159 --> 01:32:05.680
far. It's having a good season
so far. Kyle Tucker, love him,

976
01:32:08.000 --> 01:32:13.439
hell of a player. When you
have jose L Tuove, your Don

977
01:32:13.439 --> 01:32:15.880
Olivaz, Jeremy Panya, Kyle Tucker, Alex Bragman, just to name a

978
01:32:15.920 --> 01:32:20.479
few, you would expect to be
better than where they are right now,

979
01:32:20.600 --> 01:32:28.479
last place in the al West.
Doesn't help that they had to designate Jose

980
01:32:28.640 --> 01:32:36.479
L Jose Brau because of his struggles. But whatever, that's uh, that's

981
01:32:36.520 --> 01:32:42.079
this weekend down a k America Park. Okay, New York beats Indiana won

982
01:32:42.119 --> 01:32:44.920
thirty to one to twenty one.
Jalen Brunson had twenty nine points in thirty

983
01:32:44.960 --> 01:32:49.640
two minutes. He missed the entire
second quarter injured. Oj Anobi missed the

984
01:32:49.680 --> 01:32:55.279
fourth quarter injured, but he had
a career playoff high twenty eight. New

985
01:32:55.319 --> 01:32:58.920
York's up two games to none.
Nikola Jokic wins his third MVP in the

986
01:32:58.960 --> 01:33:02.039
last four years. In the NHL, Florida blows out Boston six to one.

987
01:33:03.399 --> 01:33:08.960
Boston's defense so good against Toronto.
They allowed just twelve goals in seven

988
01:33:09.000 --> 01:33:14.000
games. The reason they beat the
Maple Leafs. Remember we setting game six,

989
01:33:14.039 --> 01:33:16.479
we said that Toronto, even though
they're high scoring and really love their

990
01:33:16.520 --> 01:33:21.760
talent of Tavares and Marner and Matthews
and the like. He said, Okay,

991
01:33:23.079 --> 01:33:27.319
you're gonna have to win a more
of a defensive game against Boston,

992
01:33:28.239 --> 01:33:31.239
and Boston allowed his twelve goals in
the seven games they gave up six.

993
01:33:31.560 --> 01:33:35.279
The Bruins gave up six to Florida
in game two alone. It was six

994
01:33:35.319 --> 01:33:42.960
to one, fight filled third,
really good game until the third when Florida

995
01:33:43.079 --> 01:33:45.199
just blew them out. Vancouver comes
to three goals down to beat Edmonton five

996
01:33:45.239 --> 01:33:47.680
to four. They scored three goals
in five and a half minutes. Connor

997
01:33:47.760 --> 01:33:56.039
Garland, that's the game winner.
Those are your headlines in sports. Let's

998
01:33:56.079 --> 01:33:58.760
go to the meer hotline. Who
do we got waiting? Ben? We

999
01:33:58.840 --> 01:34:01.159
got Morey and grand Rap. It's
Maury. How are you? Thanks for

1000
01:34:01.199 --> 01:34:04.199
listening on w MAX ninety six point
ONEFM the game. What's going on?

1001
01:34:05.640 --> 01:34:09.520
Shep? I'm doing great man,
Thank you. I hope you're doing good

1002
01:34:09.560 --> 01:34:14.159
as well. You know, listening
to the Tiger Shep and you're talking.

1003
01:34:14.479 --> 01:34:19.479
I found myself thinking yesterday I think
it was I think the subject was brought

1004
01:34:19.560 --> 01:34:24.560
up in an article. Maybe I
read about the possibility or you know Tor

1005
01:34:24.600 --> 01:34:27.880
Wicklson going down, And I asked
myself, you know, how do these

1006
01:34:27.920 --> 01:34:31.000
guys, how do these managers and
organizations? And I get it veries,

1007
01:34:31.039 --> 01:34:35.720
okay, from organization to organization,
but in this case, how are they

1008
01:34:35.800 --> 01:34:41.720
looking at a guy who you know, man last year when he have thirty

1009
01:34:41.760 --> 01:34:46.920
one bombs and you know he was
he had a good year, and you

1010
01:34:46.960 --> 01:34:49.319
know he's not a rookie. I
mean, I know he's a still young

1011
01:34:49.479 --> 01:34:53.960
guy. But I mean, what
are your thoughts on that v because they're

1012
01:34:54.039 --> 01:34:58.479
such a poor hitting offensive team,
and which befuddles me by the way,

1013
01:34:58.520 --> 01:35:01.479
they didn't go for the run,
you know, on and sacrifice and all

1014
01:35:01.520 --> 01:35:04.840
that. You know, it seems
like so tiger to do that right now,

1015
01:35:04.920 --> 01:35:08.920
but and by the way, the
right thing. But anyways, back

1016
01:35:08.960 --> 01:35:11.199
to my question, do you what
do you think about that? Man?

1017
01:35:11.239 --> 01:35:15.119
What do they do with the guy
like Torque? So first things first,

1018
01:35:15.239 --> 01:35:17.439
do you believe it was the right
thing? Top of the tenth, you're

1019
01:35:17.479 --> 01:35:19.880
on the road, you play for
one run? Or do you do you

1020
01:35:19.960 --> 01:35:25.279
understand why they didn't? Okay?
No, I played for the run every

1021
01:35:25.319 --> 01:35:28.079
time you play for the run?
Okay, all right, So it's a

1022
01:35:28.079 --> 01:35:30.560
difficult osophy play with our offense,
man, especially with our offense, and

1023
01:35:30.560 --> 01:35:34.560
our pitching has been good. So
anyways, yeah, that's for sure,

1024
01:35:34.640 --> 01:35:38.359
that's that's what I do. Yeah, no, I get it. I

1025
01:35:38.720 --> 01:35:41.880
respect the opinion. I suppose one
could argue, if your pitching is that

1026
01:35:41.960 --> 01:35:44.920
good, you wouldn't have to worry
about that. You could go for the

1027
01:35:44.960 --> 01:35:47.159
multiple runs. What I do is, you know, I probably go for

1028
01:35:47.159 --> 01:35:53.960
the multiple runs too, but I
don't expect a veteran laden guy on second

1029
01:35:54.039 --> 01:36:00.920
base to get to make it out. Yeah, I mean fat. Yeah,

1030
01:36:00.960 --> 01:36:03.000
So that's a problem. What do
you do with Spencer Torkels? You

1031
01:36:03.039 --> 01:36:05.840
do? I think with what the
Tigers are doing right now, and that's

1032
01:36:05.880 --> 01:36:11.000
move him down in the order to
take a little pressure off him. I

1033
01:36:11.039 --> 01:36:13.439
think what surprises me, and you're
right, he had a really good year

1034
01:36:13.520 --> 01:36:16.000
last year, thirty one bombs,
ninety four stakes. I'm not looking at

1035
01:36:16.039 --> 01:36:20.359
average. The on base is a
little worrisome, There's no doubt about it.

1036
01:36:20.359 --> 01:36:24.239
When you're on base just thirty one
percent last year, that's a problem.

1037
01:36:24.720 --> 01:36:29.239
I think what concerns me more than
anything else is first of all,

1038
01:36:29.279 --> 01:36:32.600
the lack of power, so he
doesn't have a homer yet, and second

1039
01:36:32.640 --> 01:36:38.800
of all the fastballs. He's not
on the fastball and that's a problem.

1040
01:36:39.760 --> 01:36:42.760
And I don't know if he's up
there guessing. I haven't talked to him

1041
01:36:42.760 --> 01:36:45.279
about it, so I don't know. Last year or the years before,

1042
01:36:45.720 --> 01:36:49.600
I would have a better clearer understanding
but it's a serious issue right now.

1043
01:36:49.680 --> 01:36:54.279
And this team, as I said
earlier in the show, the margin for

1044
01:36:54.560 --> 01:37:00.800
error is so slight with this team. You can't have him going through elongated

1045
01:37:00.840 --> 01:37:08.399
slumps. They just can't afford it, no question. So you move him,

1046
01:37:08.640 --> 01:37:11.000
You move him down in the order. Do you do? You send

1047
01:37:11.039 --> 01:37:15.439
him down to Toledo and put Mark
Kennet at first base and bring up who

1048
01:37:15.720 --> 01:37:19.520
justin Henry molloy. I don't think
that should be out of the realm of

1049
01:37:19.560 --> 01:37:25.119
possibility. I wouldn't do it after
thirty five games. He's only played thirty

1050
01:37:25.159 --> 01:37:29.039
five. I would, but I
think you're getting to the point now at

1051
01:37:29.079 --> 01:37:31.000
the end of this month. If
it continues, absolutely you do it.

1052
01:37:32.199 --> 01:37:38.279
Thanks for the phone call. Awesome
stuff. Appreciate it. Always respect the

1053
01:37:38.359 --> 01:37:42.720
perspective. Eight six six eight three
eight forty eight forty three. But I

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01:37:42.760 --> 01:37:46.359
don't know. Twenty minutes away,
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game homestand starting Friday with a three
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argue with the pitching Detroit has received
so far, except for one starter,

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kent To Maida, signed to a
two year deal in the off season.

1066
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Maida has struggled so far and seven
stars. He's allowed a league high nine

1067
01:38:30.640 --> 01:38:33.680
home runs, one just once,
and possesses an ERA of just under seven.

1068
01:38:34.159 --> 01:38:38.399
Seven starts isn't a big sample size
unless you look at his history.

1069
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Last year, Maeta started just twenty
games. He hasn't started more than twenty

1070
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six since his rookie season. In
other words, he's close to thirty three

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percent of his start so far.
The numbers have to improve or it'll be

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A really good call from Maury. I

1081
01:39:49.359 --> 01:39:55.319
really appreciate that too. We've had
some really good calls this morning. I

1082
01:39:55.359 --> 01:39:59.119
can't tell you how much it means
to us. I love the interaction first

1083
01:39:59.199 --> 01:40:02.600
and foremost of all, you just
bring up really good conversation and you bring

1084
01:40:02.680 --> 01:40:06.760
up really good topics, So I
thank you for that. You can call

1085
01:40:06.920 --> 01:40:10.520
anything that might be on your mind
in the Meyer hotline eight sixty six eight

1086
01:40:10.560 --> 01:40:13.760
three eight forty eight forty three.
The only thing I would say is this,

1087
01:40:14.520 --> 01:40:18.800
and I understand where more he's coming
from. At We're going to go

1088
01:40:19.000 --> 01:40:26.439
back to certain guys, You're going
to fall back on it. Maybe,

1089
01:40:26.640 --> 01:40:30.640
just maybe people now feel like,
all right, I'm tired of beating a

1090
01:40:30.720 --> 01:40:35.119
bias because I've done it for two
years now. You know, he has

1091
01:40:36.359 --> 01:40:42.119
not been what you expected when you
signed him as a free agent, and

1092
01:40:42.159 --> 01:40:45.840
he's been one to seventy six.
So I think I don't want to speak

1093
01:40:45.840 --> 01:40:47.680
for more of there. But a
lot of Tigers fans are like, Okay,

1094
01:40:47.720 --> 01:40:53.880
it's a given. He's not a
favorite. He's not going to be

1095
01:40:53.920 --> 01:40:59.640
a favorite. He's underperformed, he's
been a disappointment. Now let's get to

1096
01:40:59.640 --> 01:41:08.000
the next victim. Torkulsen is that
guy. And he's that guy because he's

1097
01:41:08.000 --> 01:41:14.279
a one one and because he's not
a high average guy. The thirty one

1098
01:41:14.319 --> 01:41:18.720
homers in ninety four RBIs last year
didn't convince you. I'm not saying you

1099
01:41:18.720 --> 01:41:21.760
should be convinced. I'm just telling
you this is my thought. This is

1100
01:41:21.880 --> 01:41:29.880
how I view it. You don't
view him as the next fill in the

1101
01:41:29.920 --> 01:41:33.560
blank, whoever, whoever is that
really good first baseman who brings you power

1102
01:41:33.560 --> 01:41:36.439
in the middle of the lineup,
Beard Don Alvarez, now Paul Goldschmand.

1103
01:41:36.439 --> 01:41:41.399
He's not Freddy Freeman. He's not
Matt Olsen. He's not that first baseman.

1104
01:41:41.800 --> 01:41:45.119
Rights not Bryce Harper. He's not
going to be in your mind.

1105
01:41:46.560 --> 01:41:49.479
Thirty one homers is a lot of
homers. I think it's pretty damn good.

1106
01:41:50.800 --> 01:41:56.600
However, he doesn't have any yet, and I think people look at

1107
01:41:56.600 --> 01:41:58.920
the at bats and say, you
know what, he seems to be guessing

1108
01:41:58.960 --> 01:42:02.399
a lot. He seems to have
a preventtion to go through long slumps.

1109
01:42:04.000 --> 01:42:08.000
You give Look, Riley Green doesn't
have a high average either. He's been

1110
01:42:08.079 --> 01:42:13.560
two fifty four, but he's got
eight or nine homers. Right, You're

1111
01:42:13.600 --> 01:42:16.560
not expecting Andy a Bonnyez to carry
your team. It's a problem. He's

1112
01:42:16.560 --> 01:42:21.720
got more homers in a game than
Torkosen does on the year. You've been

1113
01:42:21.800 --> 01:42:31.039
pleasantly surprised with Lensil Perez carry Carpenter. He's come up with some big,

1114
01:42:31.319 --> 01:42:35.960
big knocks over the last two years. Cole Keith, you give a free

1115
01:42:35.960 --> 01:42:45.680
pass because he's just starting his career. Zach McKinstry is a utility guy.

1116
01:42:45.840 --> 01:42:48.279
I don't mean to use that in
a negative term, but he's not an

1117
01:42:48.319 --> 01:42:55.600
everyday guy. Mark Canna is not
the future of the franchise Parker Metals has

1118
01:42:55.640 --> 01:42:59.840
been sent down. Drake Rodgers you
believe is a defensive guy, but he's

1119
01:42:59.840 --> 01:43:04.439
not an offensive guy. Spencer Torkosen
was billed as an offensive guy who's going

1120
01:43:04.479 --> 01:43:09.479
to be a difference maker in the
middle of your lineup, and he hasn't

1121
01:43:09.520 --> 01:43:17.920
been this year. I understand where
you're coming from. I like him.

1122
01:43:18.199 --> 01:43:21.199
I like him as an individual,
I like him as a person, I

1123
01:43:21.319 --> 01:43:26.039
like him as a first baseman.
I would keep trotting him out there,

1124
01:43:26.439 --> 01:43:36.520
but even I have a limit,
and it's getting dangerously close. Meyer hotline

1125
01:43:36.560 --> 01:43:39.880
eight six six eight three eight forty
eight forty three. I know we got

1126
01:43:39.920 --> 01:43:43.359
a Tiger's text, don't we bet? Yeah, that's right. What's going

1127
01:43:43.399 --> 01:43:45.560
on says you know, the old
saying you can't fire the players. I

1128
01:43:45.600 --> 01:43:49.520
would like to see Scott Harris finally
make a big splash right or wrong.

1129
01:43:50.359 --> 01:43:56.159
Fire aj Hinch and bring in new
blood. I'm tired of watching old,

1130
01:43:56.199 --> 01:44:00.000
stale baseball. Win one, lose
three, win two, lose five.

1131
01:44:00.079 --> 01:44:06.399
I promote fetter and a manager or
bringing somebody else. Wow, that's really

1132
01:44:06.479 --> 01:44:13.760
drastic. Aj Hinch signed an extension. I just want you to know.

1133
01:44:14.920 --> 01:44:20.279
Aj Hinch signed an extension in the
off season. The previous deal he had

1134
01:44:20.760 --> 01:44:28.600
ran through next year, he signed
an extension. So what that extension is

1135
01:44:29.640 --> 01:44:35.119
I can't completely recall, but he's
going to be there at least at least

1136
01:44:35.119 --> 01:44:44.680
through twenty twenty six. Okay,
so at least two more years you want.

1137
01:44:45.239 --> 01:44:50.479
I like Chris Fetter. Chris Fetter's
never been a bench coach. Being

1138
01:44:50.520 --> 01:44:55.880
a pitching coach and being a bench
coach and being a manager three drastically different

1139
01:44:55.920 --> 01:45:03.760
things. And I mean drastically different. It's like being a guy on the

1140
01:45:03.800 --> 01:45:08.920
assembly line, a guy driving the
truck and the guy making out the schedule,

1141
01:45:10.399 --> 01:45:15.479
three completely different responsibilities. Chris Fetter
works on his pitching staff and his

1142
01:45:15.520 --> 01:45:21.079
pitching staff alone. The bench coaches
next to George Lombard is next to aj

1143
01:45:21.239 --> 01:45:27.199
Hinch all game. Aj Hinch is
telling him what you're supposed to be looking

1144
01:45:27.279 --> 01:45:30.399
for. Who you have to get
ready in the bullpen, Who needs to

1145
01:45:30.399 --> 01:45:34.880
start getting ready warming up for a
possible pinch hit situation. Who you think

1146
01:45:35.000 --> 01:45:38.880
is going to be up in this
situation? On why you got to go

1147
01:45:39.079 --> 01:45:44.800
to this pitcher? There are I
can't begin to tell you how many decisions

1148
01:45:44.880 --> 01:45:49.479
a manager is making per inning and
per game that Chris Fetter is not used

1149
01:45:49.520 --> 01:45:56.319
to, that even George Lombard is
not quite comfortable with for an entire season.

1150
01:45:59.439 --> 01:46:03.479
That is a very drastic tact right
there, one that I would not

1151
01:46:03.560 --> 01:46:13.680
subscribe to. However, I understand
your frustration because this team is underperforming.

1152
01:46:13.760 --> 01:46:18.880
Right now to the Meyer hotline,
we go, who's up next? Yeah,

1153
01:46:18.920 --> 01:46:23.199
we got Paul and gr Paul.
Good to hear from you again.

1154
01:46:23.239 --> 01:46:26.479
Thanks for listening right there on WAX
ninety six point ONEFM. The game.

1155
01:46:26.520 --> 01:46:30.399
What's going on? Shut? My
friend? How are you great? What's

1156
01:46:30.439 --> 01:46:36.640
going on? So, first of
all, before I get into my airing

1157
01:46:36.680 --> 01:46:42.119
my grievances here, because I'm very
upset right now. If you look very

1158
01:46:42.159 --> 01:46:45.760
blessed to have a J. Hinch. He's top free manager in all of

1159
01:46:45.800 --> 01:46:48.439
baseball, and he fell into our
lab. You know, he really is

1160
01:46:48.479 --> 01:46:54.079
the reason why we like overperformed last
year in its twenty twenty one. So

1161
01:46:54.079 --> 01:46:57.960
to me, that's just astonin.
I'm sorry. Like, we're very lucky

1162
01:46:57.960 --> 01:47:00.960
to have Aja as our manager,
and I signed him to a lifetime extension

1163
01:47:00.960 --> 01:47:06.359
of good I love it. So
I think he's I think he's a very

1164
01:47:06.399 --> 01:47:12.159
good manager. Absolutely I wouldn't go
so far as to say a lifetime extension,

1165
01:47:13.039 --> 01:47:15.600
but I think he's one of the
better managers in the game. Is

1166
01:47:15.680 --> 01:47:17.880
he top three? That's a really
good question, a really good debate,

1167
01:47:19.279 --> 01:47:24.159
because you've got some really good managers
out there, but even really good managers,

1168
01:47:24.199 --> 01:47:27.760
Bob Melvin is a hell of a
manager, but he has but his

1169
01:47:27.880 --> 01:47:31.159
teams at times have struggled, right, I mean, you could be manager

1170
01:47:31.159 --> 01:47:34.239
of the Year and still get fired. You can be coach of the Year

1171
01:47:34.319 --> 01:47:41.279
Dwayne Casey and get fired. It
happens, it does, But I just

1172
01:47:41.319 --> 01:47:45.960
think that's crazy because I really do
think aj is really good. So I'm

1173
01:47:45.960 --> 01:47:48.680
going right after guy. So I'm
going after Scott Harris and Chris Villich,

1174
01:47:49.119 --> 01:47:55.159
especially Chris Illich. Does he care, like, does he even want to

1175
01:47:55.199 --> 01:47:59.000
win? Does he care about winning? Aaron? Scott Harris, I mean,

1176
01:47:59.520 --> 01:48:02.680
yeah, wanted time to evaluate this
team. Blah blah blah blah blah.

1177
01:48:02.720 --> 01:48:06.119
You know what. I'm sick of
it. I'm sick and tired of

1178
01:48:06.119 --> 01:48:11.319
it. It has been a decade. We haven't won a World Series since

1179
01:48:11.399 --> 01:48:15.840
nineteen eighty four. Like you said, that is unacceptable, Chest, and

1180
01:48:15.039 --> 01:48:20.600
I am so sick of oh well, our offseason consists of signing ice cream

1181
01:48:20.640 --> 01:48:26.640
truck drivers and to a bush Garden's
tour guides that have been DA made a

1182
01:48:26.680 --> 01:48:30.640
million times and just hopefully find a
diamond in their up like we can't.

1183
01:48:30.000 --> 01:48:35.399
We have not made any serious moves, and we had such an opportunity this

1184
01:48:35.479 --> 01:48:42.439
offseason to set ourselves apart from everybody
else, and we didn't. We did

1185
01:48:42.439 --> 01:48:44.880
it, And you know what I'm
putting. I don't care if it's her

1186
01:48:44.920 --> 01:48:47.279
two. I'm putting Scott Harris on
the hot seat, and I'm calling out

1187
01:48:47.359 --> 01:48:51.119
Chris Illic. I do not think
he cares about the Red Wings or the

1188
01:48:51.159 --> 01:48:55.439
Tigers. I don't think he cares
about winning. I think he cares more

1189
01:48:55.439 --> 01:48:59.680
about like parking lot revenues than he
does anything. And I'm just so sick

1190
01:48:59.720 --> 01:49:02.800
of it. Yeah, but listen, Paul, I completely understand where you're

1191
01:49:02.840 --> 01:49:08.479
coming from, because they haven't given
you any indication to think otherwise. So

1192
01:49:08.880 --> 01:49:11.520
it's hard to disagree with that.
It really is. I mean, when

1193
01:49:11.520 --> 01:49:14.640
your payroll is what the Tiger's pay
roll is, especially after saving thirty two

1194
01:49:14.680 --> 01:49:17.359
million on mcguel Cobra, I completely
understand where you're coming from. I do

1195
01:49:18.079 --> 01:49:23.079
Scott Harris. I'm going to wait
one more year, but I was disappointed

1196
01:49:23.119 --> 01:49:25.920
he didn't get the big bat from
the middle of the lineup, so I

1197
01:49:25.920 --> 01:49:29.359
think he failed in that regard.
Jason Beck will talk about that and more.

1198
01:49:29.359 --> 01:49:30.800
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back to Exus and Bros. Throughout the

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state of Michigan. Glad you're with
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Jason Beck's a good friend of mine, as good as it gets in

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baseball, writing as good as it
gets, and conducting interviews. I've witnessed

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it firsthand numerous times. You can
fall m on x at Beck Jason,

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01:51:46.680 --> 01:51:50.239
and he joins us now to talk
Tigers and Major League Baseball. Jason,

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01:51:50.279 --> 01:51:55.479
hope you and your family are well. Good to visit with you as always.

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01:51:55.520 --> 01:51:59.039
Really appreciate the time because I know
you're busy. What's your take on

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01:51:59.079 --> 01:52:03.800
this team? Thirty seven games in, knowing full well that it's too small

1229
01:52:03.840 --> 01:52:09.479
of a sample size to come to
a complete judgment. Yeah, you know,

1230
01:52:10.279 --> 01:52:15.680
looking in now from where we were
in string training to you know,

1231
01:52:15.000 --> 01:52:18.920
nearly the quarter point, I suppose
that, you know, it kind of

1232
01:52:18.920 --> 01:52:24.520
looks like how we suspected. You
know, the pitching is better than I

1233
01:52:24.560 --> 01:52:28.479
think when we expected coming in,
and yeah, I think we expected a

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01:52:28.479 --> 01:52:33.239
lot there. You know, school
ball looks like the cy young candidate that

1235
01:52:33.640 --> 01:52:41.520
there was some buzz about clarity looks
like he's figured some things out and looked

1236
01:52:41.520 --> 01:52:44.760
like a frontline starter again. You
know, you've got a very good radiation

1237
01:52:44.960 --> 01:52:48.920
going your resource and has been fantastic
even though he hasn't really been rewarded for

1238
01:52:48.960 --> 01:52:53.560
it. Aside from my Ada struggles. You know, there's a lot to

1239
01:52:53.760 --> 01:52:57.520
like there the bullpen. You know, it's been a little bit more up

1240
01:52:57.520 --> 01:53:02.520
and down lately after a good start. But the question really is the offense,

1241
01:53:02.800 --> 01:53:10.600
and you see signs of breakthroughs,
but it's up and down. You

1242
01:53:10.640 --> 01:53:15.600
know, the eleven run performance the
other night was, you know, match

1243
01:53:15.680 --> 01:53:19.560
the total runs they had scored in
the previous five games combined, and in

1244
01:53:19.600 --> 01:53:25.800
the game before that, before that
five game eleven run stretch, you know,

1245
01:53:25.840 --> 01:53:29.399
they had also scored eleven. So
you know, there there's Jacko and

1246
01:53:29.479 --> 01:53:32.840
hide there. You know, there's
a capability to really work pitchers. Even

1247
01:53:32.920 --> 01:53:36.880
yesterday you saw it where you know, they were Canter Bivy for three four

1248
01:53:36.960 --> 01:53:42.039
pitches in that four run in and
inning, and then they couldn't get anything

1249
01:53:42.079 --> 01:53:45.840
else going once Cleveland went to the
bullpen. So it's you know, it's

1250
01:53:45.880 --> 01:53:50.720
an up and down. It's a
young squad with clear holes that is trying

1251
01:53:50.840 --> 01:53:57.159
to win with their strengths while trying
to you know, kind of do what

1252
01:53:57.199 --> 01:54:01.960
they can with the growth areas.
Why wasn't the offense You and I talked

1253
01:54:01.960 --> 01:54:06.840
about this at the end of last
season. Why wasn't the offense addressed in

1254
01:54:06.920 --> 01:54:13.199
the off season besides Orshell on a
one year deal and Canna on a one

1255
01:54:13.279 --> 01:54:16.000
year deal. What should have been
done there? Or are you satisfied with

1256
01:54:16.119 --> 01:54:24.520
those two moves to increase an offense
that needed I think more punch. I

1257
01:54:24.560 --> 01:54:28.239
think they wanted to try to figure
out some things with some of the younger

1258
01:54:28.319 --> 01:54:31.439
hitters, and they felt like this
was the year to do it. Rather

1259
01:54:31.680 --> 01:54:36.439
than having those guys getting either part
time playing time, we're spending more time

1260
01:54:36.439 --> 01:54:42.800
in the minor leagues. I also
think that it wasn't a great free agent

1261
01:54:42.920 --> 01:54:46.560
market, and I think that kind
of boardsself out. What with some of

1262
01:54:46.600 --> 01:54:51.000
the guys who ended up lingering out
there? Now, could they have done

1263
01:54:51.039 --> 01:54:55.920
something you know later on in the
off season or during sprent training. Well,

1264
01:54:55.960 --> 01:54:59.199
they kind of did with Urchella,
you know, once he was out

1265
01:54:59.199 --> 01:55:03.600
there for you know, relatively easy
one year deals, they took the shots.

1266
01:55:04.560 --> 01:55:08.920
Could they have done something similar with
the JD. Martinez? Yeah,

1267
01:55:09.079 --> 01:55:12.159
they could have it. I think
that you know, you can debate whether

1268
01:55:12.199 --> 01:55:15.560
that would have been a good option. But I think also too, once

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01:55:15.640 --> 01:55:21.119
you get to that point in the
off season With those guys to where they're

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01:55:21.199 --> 01:55:27.520
available on one year deals. I
think it's, you know, their choices

1271
01:55:27.720 --> 01:55:31.680
become a lot more plentiful as far
as you know where they can go,

1272
01:55:31.800 --> 01:55:34.760
but also where they want to go. It's like, Okay, if JD's

1273
01:55:34.800 --> 01:55:39.520
going in to a one year deal, does he want to come here where

1274
01:55:39.560 --> 01:55:43.840
the playing time might not be quite
so guaranteed, or would he rather go

1275
01:55:43.960 --> 01:55:48.199
to, you know, the Mets
or some other clubs that might be closer

1276
01:55:48.399 --> 01:55:54.600
or you might have might be closer
to a playoff spot even in the tougher

1277
01:55:54.640 --> 01:55:58.159
division, but also might be able
to guarantee more playing time where he could

1278
01:55:58.199 --> 01:56:01.760
use that as a platform. So
yeah, I wasn't even thinking. I

1279
01:56:01.800 --> 01:56:05.199
wasn't even thinking JD. Martinez just
because he's a designated hitter, you don't

1280
01:56:05.239 --> 01:56:10.359
necessarily need that. I was thinking
all along the lines of a Matt Chapman

1281
01:56:10.439 --> 01:56:13.880
like Detroit couldn't have done three years
fifty four million dollars like he got in

1282
01:56:13.880 --> 01:56:17.520
San Francisco, But perhaps Detroit would
have had to overpay for something like that.

1283
01:56:17.560 --> 01:56:19.920
And let's face it, these guys
want to go to a winning team.

1284
01:56:20.319 --> 01:56:24.359
I still think Detroit could be that
winning team. In this division.

1285
01:56:24.479 --> 01:56:28.520
Jason Beck joins is here on x'es
and bros. He have MLB dot com.

1286
01:56:28.600 --> 01:56:32.199
You can fall him on x at
Beck Jason. Matt Manning was a

1287
01:56:32.199 --> 01:56:35.840
little bit of a surprise to me
to be sent to Toledo. I think

1288
01:56:35.880 --> 01:56:40.279
I know the reason why when you
sign Jack Flaherty and ken To Maida,

1289
01:56:41.479 --> 01:56:45.119
it's going to squeeze somebody. So
it came down to Casey myies, it

1290
01:56:45.159 --> 01:56:47.640
came down to Reese Olsen, and
it came down to Matt Manning. He

1291
01:56:47.720 --> 01:56:51.439
has handled it rather professionally. At
what point, though, do you think

1292
01:56:51.880 --> 01:56:58.119
he gets the call and ken To
Maida suddenly gets injured with you know,

1293
01:56:58.640 --> 01:57:01.720
a sore shoulder, some type of
blister or whatever the case may be.

1294
01:57:01.720 --> 01:57:09.039
Because my ada through seven games has
not been very good, I don't think

1295
01:57:09.079 --> 01:57:15.279
anything like that imminent. For one
thing, MLB has been ringing cracking down

1296
01:57:15.439 --> 01:57:18.319
on those phantom injury type things.
Uh you know, you know we saw

1297
01:57:18.520 --> 01:57:24.800
we saw that in New York where
you know it's that called somebody their job

1298
01:57:24.880 --> 01:57:29.640
and customer suspension, So you know, something like that to get creative,

1299
01:57:30.880 --> 01:57:33.800
that's that's not going to happen.
So I think we're waiting for you know,

1300
01:57:33.880 --> 01:57:39.279
well they do something performance wise.
That's tricky because, like you know,

1301
01:57:39.359 --> 01:57:43.479
for one thing, Kansas track record
shows you've kind of have to wait

1302
01:57:43.520 --> 01:57:45.399
it out with him for for him
to figure things out. You know,

1303
01:57:45.479 --> 01:57:51.520
he's not a guy who's had strong
starts to seasons, so once you sign

1304
01:57:51.640 --> 01:57:56.720
him, you're you're pretty much committed
to kind of waiting for him to mary

1305
01:57:56.800 --> 01:58:00.800
things out and to look like he
was on that path and the other Knights

1306
01:58:00.920 --> 01:58:06.079
were just really just look arguably his
worst start this season, so you know,

1307
01:58:08.359 --> 01:58:12.600
you wait to see what happens there. And he also figured that somewhere

1308
01:58:12.600 --> 01:58:15.399
along the line, you know,
there's going to be an opening. Honestly,

1309
01:58:15.439 --> 01:58:20.520
it's kind of surprising that they haven't
had some sort of opening aside from

1310
01:58:20.560 --> 01:58:26.399
double headers already this season, given
you know, in previous years they were

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01:58:26.439 --> 01:58:30.960
already on starter seven or eight or
something like that by now, and they've

1312
01:58:30.000 --> 01:58:33.159
generally been able to roll with the
current five, you know, plus one

1313
01:58:33.319 --> 01:58:40.680
for double headers. So you know, the odds and the injury hittories histories

1314
01:58:40.680 --> 01:58:45.119
with pitchers. You're not specific pictures
like these guys, but just the way

1315
01:58:45.239 --> 01:58:49.199
baseball roles would tell you that something's
going to come up where they're going to

1316
01:58:49.279 --> 01:58:54.920
need somebody, and he's in line
right now, and you know, these

1317
01:58:54.960 --> 01:58:59.039
things tend to come in bunches,
so I think he waited out and see

1318
01:58:59.039 --> 01:59:02.079
what happened. You're also going to
have innings to watch with some of these

1319
01:59:02.119 --> 01:59:05.880
guys. You know, reeese Olsen
did not have a full use last year,

1320
01:59:05.920 --> 01:59:10.119
even though he did get a pretty
good innings total under his belt.

1321
01:59:10.560 --> 01:59:14.479
Yo, Casey Ma hadn't bitched in
two years until out Neil. It would

1322
01:59:14.600 --> 01:59:17.359
chuck me if at some point you've
got to either give him a break or

1323
01:59:17.439 --> 01:59:23.560
maybe stretch authorization, you know,
to give madd as starter to and give

1324
01:59:23.640 --> 01:59:26.239
him all of the extra rest.
There different ways you can do it.

1325
01:59:26.680 --> 01:59:29.960
Yeah, that's an excellent point.
Excellent points A big reason why Jason Beck

1326
01:59:30.079 --> 01:59:32.039
is so well respected throughout the game
of baseball. He's with us here on

1327
01:59:32.199 --> 01:59:35.680
exes and Bros. Bear with me
on this because you interact with fans a

1328
01:59:35.720 --> 01:59:40.119
great deal on social media, and
when you're at the ballpark, you understand

1329
01:59:40.680 --> 01:59:44.600
the mindset, even though you don't
always agree with it. Riley Green,

1330
01:59:45.000 --> 01:59:48.279
he's got homers. People don't care
about the average. They shouldn't. Andy

1331
01:59:48.399 --> 01:59:53.279
Banya is not seen as an everyday
guy when so Perez brand new, so

1332
01:59:53.319 --> 01:59:56.279
they're not even sure. Carrie Carpenter
has come up with some big hits over

1333
01:59:56.279 --> 01:59:59.159
the last couple of years. They're
okay with that. Cole Keith is a

1334
01:59:59.199 --> 02:00:01.840
young guy there, Let him grow
into it. Zach McKinstry's kind of a

1335
02:00:01.920 --> 02:00:06.079
you know, a jack of all
trades, hobby or bias people have given

1336
02:00:06.159 --> 02:00:10.399
up on for the most part.
So where does the eyre go to.

1337
02:00:11.119 --> 02:00:15.079
It goes to Spencer Torkulsen, fair
or unfair. People forget about the thirty

1338
02:00:15.079 --> 02:00:18.720
one bombs in ninety four stakes a
year ago. They worry about the lack

1339
02:00:18.760 --> 02:00:21.960
of power this year, and of
course the average, which I think is

1340
02:00:23.000 --> 02:00:27.600
overrated. What do you think is
the level of concern for the tigers on

1341
02:00:27.640 --> 02:00:33.840
Spencer Torkelsen and what is the length
of leash you give him before you do

1342
02:00:33.880 --> 02:00:39.439
anything drastic about him. I mean, I think there's a good deal of

1343
02:00:39.479 --> 02:00:45.800
concern. That's one thing. If
it was like previous years where there's a

1344
02:00:45.840 --> 02:00:51.039
ton of hard contact not getting rewarded
for it, but we're not seeing that

1345
02:00:51.159 --> 02:00:56.680
to the same degree this year.
It's a lot of pop ups. It's

1346
02:00:56.720 --> 02:01:00.439
a lot of you know, low
percentage. By low pretentige, I mean

1347
02:01:00.560 --> 02:01:04.359
like the expected batting average or the
hit probability, whatever you want to call

1348
02:01:04.399 --> 02:01:09.800
it is not as high, so
you know, but he's still making contact.

1349
02:01:09.800 --> 02:01:13.560
It's not as they're the same strike
a rate that he's had in years

1350
02:01:13.680 --> 02:01:18.079
past. So you know, would
you rather have it previous ways? Maybe

1351
02:01:18.079 --> 02:01:24.960
to some degree, but it also
suggests that he's at least seeing balls.

1352
02:01:25.119 --> 02:01:29.239
He's just not you know, with
that swim, with the timing, he's

1353
02:01:29.319 --> 02:01:33.239
just not making the same quality of
contact he's been able to make it,

1354
02:01:33.279 --> 02:01:38.840
And yeah, that's worrisome. Is
it a reason to do him for his

1355
02:01:38.960 --> 02:01:43.359
career? No, he's shown the
ability to make adjustments, he's shown the

1356
02:01:43.399 --> 02:01:48.159
potential, and he's shown the ability
to heat up rather quickly once he figures

1357
02:01:48.159 --> 02:01:54.880
things out. You know, what
they say is that they don't think he

1358
02:01:54.960 --> 02:02:00.920
can That triple A would necessarily make
a huge amount of different with him,

1359
02:02:00.119 --> 02:02:04.239
because he's shown he can hit there. I think if you were to send

1360
02:02:04.359 --> 02:02:09.640
him, it would have to be
with specific targets that you want him to

1361
02:02:09.720 --> 02:02:14.159
work on to figure things out to
where like if he if when he does

1362
02:02:14.199 --> 02:02:18.800
that, you bring him back up, you know, and then you know,

1363
02:02:19.319 --> 02:02:26.520
you you go back and see what
works. They're not at that point

1364
02:02:26.600 --> 02:02:29.359
yet. You know, they've said
they haven't talked about it, although you

1365
02:02:29.399 --> 02:02:32.439
know, you kind of say that, you know all the time until you

1366
02:02:32.479 --> 02:02:34.720
actually do it. At the time
you talk about it is the time you

1367
02:02:34.840 --> 02:02:41.560
actually do it. But right now
they're willing to give him, you know,

1368
02:02:41.840 --> 02:02:46.039
more Leash. I don't think it's
forever, but I think at this

1369
02:02:46.199 --> 02:02:50.680
point you keep playing him go along. Remember like a couple of years ago,

1370
02:02:50.800 --> 02:02:55.039
they let him go all the way
through you know, up to you

1371
02:02:55.039 --> 02:02:58.439
know, basically the All Star Break
to try to figure things out. So

1372
02:02:58.479 --> 02:03:03.439
they've shown, you know, of
willingness to be abundantly patient here to let

1373
02:03:03.479 --> 02:03:08.560
him things work things out. But
you know, it's been a grind and

1374
02:03:09.359 --> 02:03:14.680
I think if he showed it was
really wearing on him mentally, you know

1375
02:03:14.760 --> 02:03:18.439
that Leash might be quicker. He
is not so far, So you know,

1376
02:03:18.800 --> 02:03:23.560
if he keeps not just his spirits
up, because that's what you know,

1377
02:03:23.640 --> 02:03:28.880
he's naturally a pretty optimistic guy,
but also the determination that he's an

1378
02:03:28.880 --> 02:03:33.039
adjustment a way that he really feels
like there's progress there and that it's within

1379
02:03:33.199 --> 02:03:40.079
reach. That it's not helpless.
I think you want to keep rewarding him

1380
02:03:40.119 --> 02:03:45.479
for that, for that willingness to
keep working, to keep giving him the

1381
02:03:45.520 --> 02:03:49.000
shot to to see if this works. Yeah, and to his credit,

1382
02:03:49.039 --> 02:03:53.399
I mean, he's such a he
really is a great young man. To

1383
02:03:53.479 --> 02:03:59.359
his credit, he's handled this adverse
time with great class and dignity. Let

1384
02:03:59.399 --> 02:04:00.920
me ask you, this is kind
of a broad question. I think you've

1385
02:04:00.920 --> 02:04:04.840
already partly addressed it with the offense, but this is kind of what I've

1386
02:04:04.840 --> 02:04:10.039
said. Look, they're pitching.
It's hard to argue with the starting pitching

1387
02:04:10.119 --> 02:04:13.319
like you've brought up. And I
still truly believe in the bullpen. Shelby

1388
02:04:13.319 --> 02:04:15.520
Miller has had some blow ups,
but overall, you believe in the bullpen.

1389
02:04:15.880 --> 02:04:20.600
Their defense is an elite there's not
really no elite defender now that Parker

1390
02:04:20.680 --> 02:04:25.399
Metos is down in Toledo. There's
some guys who make some spectacular plays,

1391
02:04:26.079 --> 02:04:30.880
but it's not an elite defense.
It's a substandard offense right now. And

1392
02:04:30.920 --> 02:04:35.319
their speed on the base pass is
for the most part lacking. You know,

1393
02:04:34.960 --> 02:04:39.319
they don't you don't fear them,
Let's say, like you would a

1394
02:04:39.399 --> 02:04:44.239
Kansas city of the past, what
do you think this team's biggest detriment is

1395
02:04:45.279 --> 02:04:49.960
overall and how do they fix it? The biggest detriment, I think the

1396
02:04:50.000 --> 02:04:59.920
most fixable detriment, honestly me is
probably defense. I think they're a better

1397
02:05:00.079 --> 02:05:05.079
defensive team, and they've shown so
far. I think there are ways to

1398
02:05:05.119 --> 02:05:11.159
fix it. I think you've seen
progress from at first base, and I

1399
02:05:11.199 --> 02:05:15.920
think first base is critical, you
know, for a lot of defenses,

1400
02:05:15.000 --> 02:05:21.239
but particularly this one, because a
good first baseman, what he can do

1401
02:05:21.319 --> 02:05:26.000
on throws that are off target can
make an entire endfield better. You know,

1402
02:05:26.039 --> 02:05:30.079
Jim Lee wants to talk about that
for years, and while hobby strows

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02:05:30.119 --> 02:05:33.920
have not been as wild, he's
a lot more on target throws. I

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02:05:34.279 --> 02:05:42.960
think, you know, work can
do when he's right defensively, can help

1405
02:05:43.000 --> 02:05:45.880
out a cold Keith, can help
out what they're trying to do a third

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02:05:45.960 --> 02:05:49.239
before Geo comes back, you know, can help out in a lot of

1407
02:05:49.319 --> 02:05:54.399
areas, can help out on double
plays, and I think we've we've seen

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02:05:54.399 --> 02:05:57.960
that a little bit more in recent
days to where you know, Torque reading

1409
02:05:58.039 --> 02:06:01.479
balls right and stretching. It's kind
of made a difference on some plays to

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02:06:01.560 --> 02:06:05.119
where you know, early in the
year. Maybe those don't get made,

1411
02:06:05.319 --> 02:06:10.560
Okay, all right, it's fixable
with positioning. I think, yeah,

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02:06:10.880 --> 02:06:17.039
third base becomes better once comes back. I think center field without post Parker

1413
02:06:17.760 --> 02:06:21.359
has become a little bit better in
recent days. Is Winsl has gotten settled

1414
02:06:21.399 --> 02:06:27.279
in there, although I still think
Fearing is a more solid, reliable option

1415
02:06:27.399 --> 02:06:33.319
there on a players. Yeah,
rightfield becomes better as Carpenter makes better reads.

1416
02:06:33.640 --> 02:06:36.319
Yeah, and you could actually move
Riley Green to center and they've I

1417
02:06:36.359 --> 02:06:40.880
know you guys have talked to the
Tigers about that a little bit. One

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02:06:40.920 --> 02:06:45.920
final thing before we let you go. This division has surprised me. I

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02:06:45.960 --> 02:06:49.119
mean Cleveland Stephen voting his first year. That surprised me a little bit.

1420
02:06:49.520 --> 02:06:54.760
I still think Detroit should win this
division. I think that should be the

1421
02:06:54.880 --> 02:07:00.560
expectation. I've said that for more
than just this year. It a year

1422
02:07:00.560 --> 02:07:04.000
ago. That should be the expectation
for Detroit fans and should be for the

1423
02:07:04.039 --> 02:07:09.840
Tigers. Who's the biggest surprise to
you so far as we reached the quarter

1424
02:07:09.920 --> 02:07:15.000
pole in Major League Baseball? Me
personally, the biggest surprise is Cleveland.

1425
02:07:15.840 --> 02:07:18.279
Oh, you know, they they've
won recently, they've won in the past,

1426
02:07:18.640 --> 02:07:24.680
but having watched the challenges that the
Tigers went through when they went from

1427
02:07:25.479 --> 02:07:30.399
Jim Leland to Brad Austmas, what
they've been able to do in year one

1428
02:07:30.479 --> 02:07:35.439
under Stevens vote is really impressive,
and especially with a younger roster than they

1429
02:07:35.479 --> 02:07:41.840
get credits for. You know,
they don't defeat themselves and they've owned that.

1430
02:07:42.039 --> 02:07:46.079
You know, they they play good
fundamental baseball. You know, they

1431
02:07:46.239 --> 02:07:50.920
win at the margins, as some
baseball people like to say, you know,

1432
02:07:51.119 --> 02:07:56.760
and they put pressure on you and
you know, the Tigers they felt

1433
02:07:56.800 --> 02:08:00.800
that, you know that that was
a very winnable series have this week,

1434
02:08:01.680 --> 02:08:05.560
but the Indians pressured them and they
took advantage of mistakes and I think the

1435
02:08:05.640 --> 02:08:09.039
Tigers were a little bit surprised by
that. And you know, this is

1436
02:08:09.079 --> 02:08:13.680
a division to where it's like,
you know, even though the Tigers weren't

1437
02:08:13.680 --> 02:08:16.000
in the rate last year, they
had their way with the division and had

1438
02:08:16.039 --> 02:08:18.680
to have a match up. That's
right. And I think Cleveland made a

1439
02:08:18.720 --> 02:08:22.600
statement you know, this week to
where you know, you can't just assume

1440
02:08:22.600 --> 02:08:26.760
it's going to be that way again. You know, that was very impressive

1441
02:08:26.840 --> 02:08:33.239
and I think it's you know,
that goes along the way towards establishing Cleveland

1442
02:08:33.760 --> 02:08:37.079
as the team to be if they
weren't already. I agree with you,

1443
02:08:37.199 --> 02:08:41.439
Jason. The other the other surprise
to me be Houston and their struggles at

1444
02:08:41.479 --> 02:08:43.840
the bottom. And of course you'll
be there front and center for the Tigers

1445
02:08:43.880 --> 02:08:48.640
and the Astros starting tonight. Thanks
for your time, my friend. I

1446
02:08:48.680 --> 02:08:50.680
appreciate it as always. Have a
great weekend, all the best this season.

1447
02:08:50.720 --> 02:08:54.119
Hope to talk to you again soon. Thanks Chef. Always good talking

1448
02:08:54.199 --> 02:08:56.920
Bold with you. I missed that
so good. Good to talk with you.

1449
02:08:58.279 --> 02:09:01.560
Yeah, likewise, I missing a
great deal too. Jason Beck joining

1450
02:09:01.600 --> 02:09:05.039
us from MLB dot com. You
can fill on Twitter at Beck Jason.

1451
02:09:05.399 --> 02:09:11.560
Really good follow great information. Always
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1452
02:09:11.640 --> 02:09:13.840
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