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Big food and be on with Cliff
and Bobo. These guys are your favorites,

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always keep its watching. And now
you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay

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Bobo. How you doing, my
friend? Not too shabby? How are

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you? Not so bad? Not
so bad? Pretty good day. Spend

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a lot of it on the phone, though, I'll tell you that it's

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been a great week. So much
to catch up with you about it.

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Actually, yeah, I kind of
lie. I am shabby, but I'm

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doing good. Yeah, I am
hanging in there. I'm hanging in there

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for sure. Yeah. I talk
to a couple of various people today on

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the phone that I don't connect with
too much. I a for Renee for

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a while. Oh you did she
got to England or something? Yeah,

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yeah, she was over there.
She went over there for a little while

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and then she's back now and yeah, yeah, so that was kind of

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cool, kind of caught up a
little bit on that and what she's been

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up to. And she's doing some
you know, some science stuff, some

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kids stuff, you know. I
think what is she called green bathing or

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no, no, she nature deficit, something immersion or other. I don't

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know, getting kids in the woods
basically what it comes down to. She

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had a term for it, because
she's fancier than I am in a lot

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of ways. But I don't I
don't remember exactly what that is. But

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it was good catching up with her. Well, you can charge more if

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you if you call it, if
you get a title like that to say

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where are the kids in the wood, to say we're doing a green environment

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that you can charge twice as much. You put a lot of syllables in

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the words. Make it fancy,
yeah, like audible primates, audible primates.

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Extension learning is another way of saying, you know, bigot beyond podcast

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right or something like that. I
don't know, I don't know, but

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yeah, but it's always nice catching
up with her. But I was in

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the woods this week and lo and
behold, I found some interesting stuff.

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Man. Trying to add a new
area, a new area, which is

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really cool. I actually been to
that. I went to this area probably

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ten or fifteen years ago, and
and it's just one of those things.

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The show started and it's kind of
far enough out there that it's hard to

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get to the roads are extraordinarily shoddy, to say the very least. In

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fact, it's so far out there. My nerd bigfoot investigator friends and I

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have started calling it the Outer Rim, which is, you know, a

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Star Wars reference for all all you
nerds in the audience. There might be

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a couple of you out there.
Yeah, so we're calling this the calling

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this area the Outer Rim now.
And so I went out there. There's

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this obscure pond that has no roads
or trails associated with it. So I

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went out there and checked it out. And Dave, my friend and employee

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here at the ANBC, we we
parked at the at the dead end road

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there and we went out off trail. It's about a half mile or a

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mile or something like that out off
to this little pond. And on the

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way out I found this big impression. I go, oh, this is

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interesting. It's kind of a little
vague. Those may maybe toes, I'm

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not quite sure. And it was
seventeen inches long by seven inches wide.

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So that's again, man, that's
pretty big, man. But that's interesting.

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That's interesting. I took a couple
of pictures of it. But you

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know what else I did, Melissa
and I upgraded our phones this week.

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So I have a fancier phone now, so I downloaded one of those three

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D scanning apps and I took some
scans, and man, it's a game

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changer. It's a game changer,
holy smokes. But I'll get back to

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that in a minute. In fact, if you check. But I just

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text to a short little video and
I'll get to that thing. I sent

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you a video. Yeah. So
anyway, I found the seventeen by seven

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impression out there, and again,
this is off trail totally randomly, is

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kind of near a creek. And
then we make it to this pond and

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we circumnavigate the pond and it's a
pretty big pond actually, you know,

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it's not like you know, fish
lake size or something like that, but

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it's pretty big, at least an
acre or two I would say, probably

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a least an acre and a half
or something. Anyway, going around the

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pond, I find more seventeen by
seven impressions in two different locations. And

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one of the locations, you know, how like at the side of a

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pond or creek or lake, rather
like the reeds are very often you know,

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like down at the surface of the
water and there's mud underneath it,

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so the impressions went through that,
so there's no chance in casting them.

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I was just look at that.
How'd you cast that? Yeah? You

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really? I mean, you can
try, but you'd be lucky to get

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anything. And I've certainly put plaster
in a lot of things that I didn't

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think, you know, a lot
of leaf litter and reeds in my time,

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and generally I just kind of waste
plaster. But yeah, but the

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first time I found this, or
the second time, I guess that,

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well, the first time was on
the way there. So the first time

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I found it around the lake,
there were three of these three or four

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of these impressions about seventeen inches long
that showed the suggestions of toes seven inches

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wide, all in this one area. And that's really cool. This is

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really cool. Then we walk further
and then you know, halfway across the

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pond like thing on the other side, we find another one. So we

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had three different locations where we found
impressions that I thought probably were footprints,

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and they all matched the same size
and same shape and same dimensions. I

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think that's it. Do you get
a step lank? Did you get consecutive

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ones? A good measure of step
two out of three of those, No,

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we didn't. That's that we lacked
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They were single prints, you know. And then there's reasons for that.

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It's we didn't, you know,
disappear into the ether or some nonsense

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or portals. But it was just
like the substrate was only good in that

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one spot, and everything else is
tough. And these were fairly old anyway,

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but that one spot where there were
two or three or four of them

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all together, it didn't seem like
it was walking around necessarily. It seemed

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more like it was like kind of
the standing around and left several footprints in

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this one area. There were a
couple in secession. There were about thirty

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five thirty six inches in between step
length something like that, So pretty pretty

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decent size, you know, but
you know, nothing crazy or anything like

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that. So yeah, that cool. And then remember there are no trails

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or roads or anything going to this
water hole here, right, So we're

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walking down the creek this little trickle
that comes out of the pond, and

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it's going down towards the abandoned road
that we parked at the end of.

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There's a big they brimed up this
whole thing, and we're walking down there.

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We get to the road, the
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is probably two or three hundred yards
east or south or something like that of

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where we park the car. And
so we get down there and the trickle

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is going across the roads and boom, right there in front is a trackway,

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a pretty clear trackway of juvenile prints. These things were like nine inches

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long. They were so cool.
Yeah, And then like a holy crap,

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and there were like one we found
I think four or five of them

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in a row there. We've we
located another one going the opposite direction about

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thirty or forty yards away on the
same road. I cast two of those,

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I believe. I sent you scans
of those. I scanned them all

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too in this app thing. Man, unbelievable. And then, uh,

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look, while those were drawing,
I looked around and I found another very

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possible fourteen inch track about one hundred
hundred and twenty yards down the road in

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another wet spot. You know.
So yeah, so we very possibly found

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three different individuals footprints that day.
Definitely one or two, I think,

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But that fourteen incher is a maybe. I think it's a definite possible though

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sounds like a yeah, mom and
dad and a young young girl. Yeah,

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well, I think the seventeen might
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of a lot, because man,
I've got like, I mean, this

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place is not easy to get to. It's it's far flung, it's way

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it's in the outer rim. Man. This is like, you know,

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like this is like tattooing. You
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You just don't go there really.
But despite of that, I have

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like four or five reports from there. So when you look at the ratio

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of information coming out of this area
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there, it's pretty high. So
I'm very, very encouraged of this place.

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Now, I sent you the scans
of the two juvenile footprints in the

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ground. I just texted those to
you, so I don't know if you

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have those or not, but you
could always take a look at those really

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cool stuff. I will send the
scans of some of these footprints to Matt

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prud and you can post them in
our members section in case anybody's who's listening

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to this regular episode as a member. You go to the Patreon you can

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see these scans of the footprints.
I think they're pretty cool and I think

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they're legit, man, So I'm
gonna be keeping a very close eye,

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as you know, as often as
I could spare them in the words of

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Gandalf, to go check out this
area. So yeah, that sounds awesome,

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pretty exciting week man, new area
with several very likely footprints from it.

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I'm gonna keep on going there,
and you know, I think Melissa's

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gonna be out of town in another
week or two. I might try to

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maybe spend the night down there.
We'll see. Yeah, but this technology,

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man, everybody should get the scanning
app. Holy crap, what's there?

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The app? Well, there's several
scanning apps that are all probably equally

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good. The one I happen to
have on my phone right now. I'm

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not endorsing or anything like that because
I don't know if they're the best or

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not. I'm probably gonna play around
with other technologies as well. The one

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I happen to have is called scan
a Verse, but there are several that

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I could choose from, and one
or two people that I consulted with said,

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oh, this is what I have
and I like it. So I

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just got that one because a couple
of the people I know are already using

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it. I probably should download one
or two others just to give the other

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ones a test ride. And of
course, if anybody out there is listening

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and you work for one of these
companies or you know something rad or better,

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by all means, let me know, let me know what I can

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do with it, et cetera.
I'm looking to maximize this technology for my

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uses here, so if anybody can
help me out with that, I would

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appreciate it. So, yeah,
that was cool. That was really cool.

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An exciting week there. Oh and
I got a great story together today

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in the shop. You know,
I'm not you know, stories or stories,

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you know how I am about that
across the road. Cool, that's

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great, you know that sort of
thing. But this, this story is

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kind of cool. This woman came
in. She's eighty years old and this

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story happened to her when she was
eleven, So that puts it at what

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like nineteen fifty five, I think
something like that. So this happened in

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nineteen fifty five out in Scottpoose,
Oregon, which is on the Columbia River,

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just a little bit west of Portland, in that general area northwest of

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Portland, and she was out riding
on trails on a Shetland pony of all

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things. Now mind you, she
was alive. She was riding on a

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Shetland pony, which is adorable to
begin with, and she's you know,

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kind of overgrown trails and that sort
of thing. She's out there, had

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a trotting along and a very large
sasquatch basically reaches out like ambush predator,

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reaches out from the trail from the
brush on the side of the trail and

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scoops up her horse that she's on, scoops up her Shetland pony, lifts

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them both up, realizes, holy
crap, that's not a deer or whatever.

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You know, there's a girl on
the back of that thing. Drops

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it, stares at her for a
moment, and then bolts the opposite direction

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off into the brush. Wait,
how to pick her up? Did she?

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Did? She tell you? Like, work out like both hair.

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I use both arms obviously, like
you pick up a dog, like from

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underneath, you know, like in
between the light, like scooped scooped up

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the horse that she was on,
you know, and then I briefly picked

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her up for like just a moment
before it realized this mistake, dropped and

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then bolted the other direction. Oh
my god, not crazy. That's one

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of the craziest things I've heard.
And of course she goes, yeah,

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I and she said that it didn't
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She didn't really understand what was going
on. She thought it was just like

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this big dude, like it looked
like she said, it was like this

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big dude covered in hair, really
weird. But she just thought it was

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a really really really really really big
human. And now looking back, she

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realized, well, that was a
human. What a was I thinking?

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You know, that just a big
human covered in hair. Out that's crazy.

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And of course the the Shetland pony
freaked out and then just told you

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know, went crazy and ran off. And so she was kind of holding

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on to it, you know,
on the back, trying to stay onto

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it as a little eleven year old
girl. But still, what a what

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a wild story that is. Can
you imagine having that experience? And I

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took her in the back room at
the NABC and I said, hey,

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here's Murphy. Tell me what's the
same, what's different, as I often

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do, and she goes, oh, you know what, the skin was

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not that colled the skin was more
brown, because Murphy's kind of this grayish

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black sort of skin color. And
he said, well, then the the

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skin was more brown than that,
and the hair was a little bit longer

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here and there, and that kind
of thing. And again nitpicked, and

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she said it was also the one
that she saw. Mind you, she

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was eleven, and she admitted that
her memory might be a little distorted because

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of the time period it's been set, you know, sixty nine years after

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all. She said that its seemed
a lot bigger than Murphy, but Murphy

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is six seven and a half feet
tall. And she said that when she

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went back to the spot with her
dad there was a nine foot tall branch

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that the thing might have touched or
bumped upon her did something like that.

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So her dad believed her. Yeah, apparently so apparently, so do they

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find evidence to her dad find any
evidence? She didn't mention it. She

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didn't mention it. No, But
really cool, lady. What's funny is

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I have heard been picking the stuff
up and carrying it, but it's you

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know, it's been like pigs sheep
and that seal and John Greensburg seal up

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in thea Bay and then I guess
people have seen him carrying chickens and peace

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under their arms, like they just
picked it up and carried it off alive.

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And some deers I've heard of that, but usually take care about the

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neck and snapped the neck right away. So you wonder if I was taking

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it a lit, if I was
taking it alive, you know, trying

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to take it somewhere alive. It's
kind of interesting. I don't know.

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I think the whole thing happened so
fast that she I mean, I don't

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think she really had a good comprehension
of what was going on at the time,

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but you know, she got a
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I asked her about the eyes,
because you know, I'm always interested.

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Did you see the sclera which is
the white part? She goes, you

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know, no one's ever asked me
that, and I don't remember, but

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I seem to think I did,
you know. And so yeah, she's

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been very great witness. You know, she's just honest and kind of like,

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I'm not I don't remember, and
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that and it's just very matter of
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the whole thing. And yeah,
she was great there. It just happened

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to be driving by actually and saw
the sign and she goes, you know,

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I saw one of those ones we
should stop, and then she did,

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Wow. See that's amazing. It's
like, so it's got this great

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story and it's just happenstance that you
get to hear it. You know.

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It's just it's that's how most of
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I've heard more stories it adverted like
that that I have, like people seeking

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me out to tell me totally.
Totally. It's kind of neat to have

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a place like the nabc's and it's
like this beacon, you know, beacon

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of hope that people can come in
and share their stories or whatever and we

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can write them down and plot them
on a map and see if there's any

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patterns and all that sort of stuff. It's a lot of fun. Yeah.

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Anyway, that's that's what I've been
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Yeah, so I said about that, probably my buddy was gonna buy

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behind like three lock gates. There's
only two other parcels inside this one.

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Hundred thousand acres. He would be
the only full time resident in there.

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There's two like hunting cabins. I
guess there's a house and stuff with people

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don't live there anymore. Is there
room for a trailer? Dude that's gonna

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say, get it? Yeah?
They got five more weeks a escraw?

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Okay, all right, very good. Well, if you do happen to

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take the trailer, I'd be great, by the way, because we're dealing

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with wood right now, all those
trees and stuff that dropped in the property

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in January. We have a mill
on the property right now and we're milling

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up all the wood, and we
need some storage and all this other stuff.

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But if you do actually come up
and take the trailer, in a

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way, I'll be sad because I
won't have something to tease you about every

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week. But in another way,
I'll be really stoked because of the room.

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And I will be sure to videotape
it. I will video it's removal

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for audio. Something can check it
out. I look up to the hitch

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and I full off. It just
tears the hitch out and they just breaks

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from the wheels. The axle falls
off. You drag it out yeah,

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drag it out with sparks behind it, starting a big fire, burn down

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Whistle in neighborhood. It's in good
shape, actually, I don't think that's

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I mean it hasn't. It's actually
been moved once. We had to pull

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it out and then reput it back
in there because of a I was soaring

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something for my next runna for Gary. We had an old car in there

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for a little while. So yeah, we actually took it out and put

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it back in. So it's still
rolls, it's still good. You know,

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it's inside. There shouldn't be a
problem with it. I mean,

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it's probably pretty tight. I don't
think if there's any rats or anything then

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it. I haven't been in it
like a year, but I keep offering

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people to sleep inside if they want, so they all do. I'm sure

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no one's no one's brave enough to
do it yet, are you serious?

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Yeah, no one's brave enough to
go in there. Like Shane and like

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Todd Hale were in the house and
and nobody wanted to sleep in it.

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This is killer. I sleep better
than just about anywhere. Well, anyway,

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you were talking, I'm sorry,
tell me about the property. I'm

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sorry. The guy who owned it. He's been he lit up there for

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like sixty years or something. He
passed away his phone mowers are selling it.

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They didn't know any bigfoot stories off
off the top of their heads all

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the time. Maybe not that they
say they've only seen one bear. It's

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real rebot. They've only seen they
saw a fathers hunting team one time walking

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on foot twenty years ago. You
Other than that, they've never seen anyone

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out on their property. I mean
they see them like further away, like

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a mile or two away, like
down you know, where they can hike

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any easier. But there's it's really
hard to get to you Like there's it's

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you got to walk so far to
get past those gates to get in there.

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It's I mean, I don't know
if you got to go like seven

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miles or something through block gates to
get back in there. And where the

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branch is, it's kind of it's
kind of isolated, like there's stuff to

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the west and north and east that
definitely like you knows habaitat, but the

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closest so let's get to that,
probably thinking about a mile and a half

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and so, I mean I'm sure
they walked, you know, cut across

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and stuff like that. But there's
no like a he the family members didn't

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have any ongoing or you know,
they never heard him talk about it,

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so they don't know if he just
didn't talk about it and they had stuff

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habit or stuff just never happened.
The only one way to find that is

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go there and spend some time,
right Oh yeah, yeah, yeah definitely,

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or at least make the new property
owners aware that there might be something

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going on. They just planted new
fruit trees. Yeah, there's there's a

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there's like horses in the corral going
in there's they're gonna get chickens and also

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get some rabbits too, because they
love rabbits. Just get something kind of

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loud, you know, something makes
some noise. They'll probably get a goat.

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He'll probably get a couple of goats
for fire control. Yeah. So,

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I mean he said, I can
do expeditions there, you know,

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go out there one full access to
it. He wants he wants to you

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know, he wants to document if
they're there. He's down for trying to

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document them. So put in some
recording equipment and have some good stuff out

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there and see what happens. Right
on, man it's nice to have a

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preserve that you can go on anytime
you want. Yeah, for sure,

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it's gonna be killer. Yeah,
a little little protective zone, which actually

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is a fantastic segue into our guests
today. That's as much as people would

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probably love to hang out with just
you and I, we have an amazing

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guest that has been doing some great
stuff for the Sasquatch. But before we

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hop over to her and learn about
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want to let everybody know that,
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free. That is cool. So
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right back after these messages, you
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messages just us Jess, Cliff,
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dot com and hit that membership button
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know. Well, without much further
to do. I mean, we have

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a fantastic guest this week. We're
super, super excited and you've probably many

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of our listeners probably have heard about
this effort spearheaded by this woman. Our

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guests today a fifth grade teacher from
Hoquiam, Washington at Lincoln Elementary School.

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Her name is Andrea Andrews, and
she has been doing great work. She

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is a do gooder in the very
very best way. Andrea, thank you

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so much for coming on big Foring
and Beyond with us. Oh absolutely,

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thank you for having me. Rea. So happy that you can make it

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because you are You are just a
beacon of light in this dark world we

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live in. Because you are doing
something that almost nobody else is doing.

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You're advocating for the safety of sasquatches. Now, there's really very few ways

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to do that at this point,
especially getting the government involved. I mean,

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I've been advocating for protecting public land
and whatnot. That's the one way

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that everybody can get involved and protect
sasquatches. But you've been doing something else

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entirely. Can you please tell us
and our listeners about the efforts you've been

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making. Certainly so the last few
years we have been my class fifth graders

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have been taking a specific county that
I assigned to them, and what they're

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doing is we go through multiple steps, which I'm sure we'll get into,

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but what they end up doing is
they are actually writing letters to the commissioners

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of that county, whichever county it
is, to ask that we have laws

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in place to protect bigfoot. Because
when we first started this, we realized,

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well, I had noticed that we
only had laws in Wokham County and

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Scamania County and Washington State, and
those laws had been in place for quite

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a while, nineteen sixty nine for
Schamania, nineteen ninety one for Walkham County,

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and nothing had been done since.
So the whole point was to get

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kids one writing too involved in all
of their government stuff, because none of

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them were having time to learn about
their local civic stuff. We just don't

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have time for that anymore. We're
so focused on ELA and math, which

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was great, that's awesome that we're
doing that, But this is a great

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way to just kind of sneak it
in there, but then make them have

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to learn all of the Let's do
some scientific research, let's do some writing,

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let's do some persuading. So it's
pretty awesome, ready, kids anti

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Bigfoot. You know, every year
I end up with a group that we

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don't call it antype Bigfoot. I'll
tell you what we call it. We

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call it the time Savers. What
they do is there by the end of

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the project, we end up splitting
the class in two, and one side

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can be much larger than the other. Last year I had two that were

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on the no, we don't need
lass side, But this year I had

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probably about ten to ten on one
side, fifteen on the saving Sasquatch side.

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And then what they do is they
have to construct a persuasive letter to

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the Saving Sasquatch side of their class
that says, we're the time savers.

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We think you're wasting your time.
Here's why. Now that's not necessarily kids

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that don't believe in Bigfoot. Some
of them are kids who believe in Bigfoot

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but just don't think we need loss. Okay, there's quite a few of

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them that truly believe in Bigfoot but
decide that we don't need laws to protect

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Sasquatch. And they have different reasons. Some of them, I'll tell you

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right now. Some of my boys, they're hunters, and they think that

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we should have a hunting season so
that we can have a body to research.

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So that was actually okay, I'll
give you that it was legit.

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Are there consequences to the civic notions
that you've passed at this point? I

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mean, or is it just like
Mason County, for example, is kind

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of thumbs down against it. No, here's the difference between the ones that

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we've gotten. We have gotten both
proclamations and resolutions. Okay, we'll walk

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us through the difference on those two
things. Yes, so, and it's

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taken me a while to figure this
out. So with the proclamations, basically,

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the county is saying, hey,
we're making a notice out loud that

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if you happen to run into Bigfoot
and it turns out to be real,

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please don't harm it. Let's leave
it alone so we can continue to study

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it kind of thing. So we're
making it a refuge area now with a

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resolution. They're actually stating within the
resolution, if Bigfoot turns out to be

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real, it is then probably an
endangered species, so we would want to

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protect it as that. So they're
saying, don't even think about it.

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So it's just one step deeper.
But none of them so far have finds

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consequences, none of that or teeth. I guess if you want to say

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none of them happen. Actually,
I think I could be wrong, but

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I'm pretty sure that the Scamania County
one is the only one that actually has

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fines attached to it. Okay,
yeah, yeah, I think I think

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that's right. Actually, and the
finds were originally ten thousand dollars, but

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they dropped in eighty four when they
re established it, yeah, to some

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much much smaller amount. I can't. Yeah, is this your brain child?

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Like you saw that? Like,
hey, this is a really cool

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way to get my students involved doing
multi curricular activities like this, you know,

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like writing and reading and civics and
government, like all these sort of

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different subject areas condensed into one project. Was this your idea and you saw

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the need or how did this idea
come about? Yes, So how it

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came about was when I was in
college getting my teaching CERTs and all that

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stuff. I was getting my bachelor's
degree and one of the classes that I

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00:26:22.440 --> 00:26:29.160
had was, hey, you guys
are going in at a time where because

409
00:26:29.160 --> 00:26:33.920
this was probably six seven years ago, in one of my classes and they

410
00:26:33.920 --> 00:26:37.680
were like, you're going into teaching
at a time where ELA and math are

411
00:26:37.720 --> 00:26:41.480
what you're going to spend very much
most of your day on. That's just

412
00:26:41.519 --> 00:26:45.640
how it is. And ELA is
English language arts, English language arts.

413
00:26:45.640 --> 00:26:51.240
Sorry, yes, So they said, you know that's pretty much what you're

414
00:26:51.279 --> 00:26:52.880
going to be stuck with. So
one of our classes was, we need

415
00:26:52.920 --> 00:27:02.720
you to take this and go across
curriculum and either take my or English and

416
00:27:03.240 --> 00:27:06.400
build a lesson that is going to
go across at least you know, one

417
00:27:06.519 --> 00:27:11.400
or two other subjects. So I
started doing it, and I kept going

418
00:27:11.440 --> 00:27:17.519
with it and building it, and
I turned it in and my professor was

419
00:27:17.599 --> 00:27:19.160
really good about it. He was
like, Okay, here's your a.

420
00:27:19.440 --> 00:27:22.240
You did a great job. You've
given me all the evidence for it,

421
00:27:22.920 --> 00:27:27.680
but be careful with this. A
lot of people are going to look at

422
00:27:27.680 --> 00:27:33.880
it as you're trying to get all
the kids to believe that sasquatch is real,

423
00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:38.519
and somebody might take that the wrong
way. But here's the thing with

424
00:27:38.599 --> 00:27:45.480
that. I don't do that.
Even though I'm I'm a believer, I'm

425
00:27:45.839 --> 00:27:48.960
out there, you know, listening
and hoping to hear things and see things.

426
00:27:49.720 --> 00:27:53.599
However, I don't start it that
way with the kids. The kids

427
00:27:53.640 --> 00:27:59.960
start day one with a piece of
paper that has on one side a sasquatch

428
00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:03.759
cute cartoony one giving a thumbs up, and on the other side a bear

429
00:28:03.920 --> 00:28:08.960
doing the same thing. They decide
day one, what do you believe.

430
00:28:10.079 --> 00:28:15.279
Do you believe sasquatch is an animal
that has simply not been identified yet,

431
00:28:15.799 --> 00:28:22.079
or do you believe sasquatch sightings are
an animal we already know of, like

432
00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:26.960
a bear that has been misidentified.
They make their decision, tape it to

433
00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:30.640
their spot, and then they are
instructed you are allowed to change this at

434
00:28:30.640 --> 00:28:34.480
any point as many times as you
want to through the next few weeks.

435
00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:44.200
Then we go in. I preload
into their Google classroom files that have vetted

436
00:28:44.279 --> 00:28:49.720
research. So I go in and
I find different things on both sides like

437
00:28:49.799 --> 00:28:52.880
I've got you got, I've got
little clips of you guys that I found

438
00:28:52.920 --> 00:29:00.559
on YouTube. I've got an article
about Jeffrey Meldrum and is cast collection and

439
00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:06.200
how all that works. I've got
things on gigantopithecus in there. I've got

440
00:29:06.759 --> 00:29:11.599
things on bear walking like humans.
It's scary how much they can look like

441
00:29:11.599 --> 00:29:15.240
a human when they walk. So
I want all sides to be covered.

442
00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:19.559
But then they have to do the
scientific research, go through and decide what

443
00:29:19.720 --> 00:29:25.599
do I believe. Once they make
up their mind completely, they then have

444
00:29:25.680 --> 00:29:29.240
to learn how to we go through
the steps to learn how to write a

445
00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:33.000
five paragraph essay, and for fifth
graders that's a lot. I remember the

446
00:29:33.079 --> 00:29:37.240
days, yeah, right. In
fact, I imagine there's a couple of

447
00:29:37.240 --> 00:29:40.440
my former students out there listening to
this. They probably remember the days too,

448
00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:45.559
right. So what we do is
they write me a five paragraph essay

449
00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:51.000
with evidence backing it, telling me, yes, I believe Sasquatch is real,

450
00:29:51.079 --> 00:29:55.359
here's why, or no, I
don't and here's why. But I

451
00:29:55.400 --> 00:29:59.720
want that evidence in there. I
want to see you've done your research on

452
00:30:00.160 --> 00:30:03.799
We get past that. That's when
we split the class and then as a

453
00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:07.279
group they write their letters. We
learn how to write persuasive letters at that

454
00:30:07.319 --> 00:30:11.720
point, and those letters are directed
at who the saving Sasquatch side, they

455
00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:17.480
direct theirs to the county commissioners of
whichever county I have assigned them that year,

456
00:30:18.039 --> 00:30:22.759
and I just choose the county.
And then the other side is the

457
00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:27.279
time savers, where they're sending the
letter to the other half of the room,

458
00:30:27.880 --> 00:30:33.599
telling them why they're wasting their time
trying to get laws to protect Sasquatch,

459
00:30:34.000 --> 00:30:37.839
why they shouldn't do it, what
the benefits are. They have to

460
00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:45.279
do research on their endto stay tuned
for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and

461
00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:56.640
Bogo will be right back after these
messages. So the county commissioners and whoever

462
00:30:56.000 --> 00:31:00.480
at whatever county they receive a packet
of letters. And then what's the next

463
00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:04.839
step from there to actually getting this
stuff on paper and making it official.

464
00:31:06.279 --> 00:31:07.960
Well, the letter part they write
as a group. So they only received

465
00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:14.519
one letter and it's from Miss Andrews
Class, fifth grade class. They introduced

466
00:31:14.519 --> 00:31:18.400
themselves in the letters as we are
the students of Miss Andrews' fifth grade class.

467
00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:22.920
That way, I'm not putting their
names out there. Initially and then

468
00:31:23.200 --> 00:31:26.759
once they get the letter, what
has happened in the past, It's gone

469
00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:32.480
down a couple different ways. When
we did Grace Harbor, we were in

470
00:31:32.519 --> 00:31:37.240
twenty twenty two. We were still
where they were doing zoom meetings, only

471
00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:41.160
they weren't doing in person meetings at
all, so they had just a tiny

472
00:31:41.200 --> 00:31:48.519
little room and they sent us a
video later of themselves recorded doing this meeting

473
00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:52.279
and they were on there and it
was so cute. There was only probably

474
00:31:52.279 --> 00:31:56.680
five people in the room. They
sat there and they started telling stories about

475
00:31:56.000 --> 00:32:00.359
well I remember when I was in
high school and I had my own experience,

476
00:32:00.440 --> 00:32:02.640
and it was really cool to watch
them and they were just they were

477
00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:09.960
having a blast with it. And
then after that we went to Clollham County,

478
00:32:10.240 --> 00:32:17.359
which when we did Clollen County,
they have the wonderful Sasquatch What's coming

479
00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:22.400
up the festival that they have Sasquatch
Days up there and Cliff, I saw

480
00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:28.359
you there last year. Yeah.
Absolutely, when they have that, they

481
00:32:28.440 --> 00:32:31.839
actually put that into their resolution.
It was great, they actually listed it

482
00:32:31.880 --> 00:32:38.279
in their resolution. But they with
Clollham County, they had us zoom in

483
00:32:38.400 --> 00:32:43.960
to the meeting and watch the whole
process. Go down live, so the

484
00:32:44.039 --> 00:32:46.720
kids got to watch that. Well, then this year the kids got to

485
00:32:46.720 --> 00:32:52.079
do the same thing. We had
been invited to go in person, but

486
00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:57.799
we weren't able to find transportation because
it was such short notice. But it

487
00:32:57.960 --> 00:33:00.039
was so nice of them they invited
the whole class to come up and go

488
00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:05.480
in person to see it. What
got you had? A bigfoot has a

489
00:33:05.559 --> 00:33:12.559
high IQ? Well, I'll tell
you. I grew up with my dad

490
00:33:12.599 --> 00:33:17.200
telling me an awesome bigfoot story that
he had had an experience when he was

491
00:33:17.200 --> 00:33:23.000
in his early twenties back in the
sixties. And it was such a cool

492
00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:27.559
story because it was like him and
his friend and they were out fishing at

493
00:33:27.599 --> 00:33:30.640
a lake locally, and it was
one of those where it's a lake tucked

494
00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:37.200
back in the middle of nowhere,
and all of a sudden they'd hear something

495
00:33:37.240 --> 00:33:40.000
on the other side of the lake. They had split up. My dad

496
00:33:40.039 --> 00:33:45.200
thinks it's his friend, his friend
thinks it's him, and then all of

497
00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:49.960
a sudden, boulders like big rocks
start flying all the way out into the

498
00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:52.200
middle of the lake, and there's
no way a human could a thrown rocks

499
00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:57.160
that far, And then they start
high tailing it out of there, they're

500
00:33:57.240 --> 00:34:02.039
hearing something behind them. So it
was this awesome story that he's telling me

501
00:34:02.079 --> 00:34:05.960
about it, and I grew up
with that story, just loving it.

502
00:34:06.799 --> 00:34:09.679
So I always had the notion of
what if, what if? What if

503
00:34:09.719 --> 00:34:15.800
there's something out there? And then
the last what fifteen twenty years, we

504
00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:21.320
start getting all these great shows,
like you guys had done a great show.

505
00:34:21.599 --> 00:34:23.719
There's only one. There's only one
great big fit show that I'm sorry,

506
00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:27.920
right, I know, it's I
know, I agree with you,

507
00:34:27.960 --> 00:34:30.719
it's my favorite. I agree,
So I think you guys should bring it

508
00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:37.159
back. I'm just saying. But
with all these great shows and stuff,

509
00:34:37.519 --> 00:34:40.280
my dad and I started watching them
together, which has been so much fun

510
00:34:40.519 --> 00:34:45.639
as an adult to now get to
watch them with him because he'll see things

511
00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:49.440
and he'll be like, oh see, yep, just like that, just

512
00:34:49.480 --> 00:34:52.039
like that, or you know,
and I'm just like ooh, and I

513
00:34:52.119 --> 00:34:57.480
just I love the what ifs.
I really do. I'm a big fan

514
00:34:57.559 --> 00:35:02.480
of what ifs. And I'm a
big fan of not making up your mind

515
00:35:02.719 --> 00:35:07.719
until you've at least tried to explore
things. And I try to share that

516
00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:10.800
with the kids, and I think
that's a lot of why I chose to

517
00:35:10.840 --> 00:35:15.360
go down this path as well is
I want the kids to explore the what

518
00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:22.960
if and I want the kids to
realize that one, if there's something out

519
00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:25.159
there that you want to explore,
go explore it. But two, if

520
00:35:25.159 --> 00:35:31.039
there's something out there you want to
change, use your local government, use

521
00:35:31.119 --> 00:35:36.920
your scientific research, get out there
and do the legwork, make those changes

522
00:35:37.159 --> 00:35:40.960
happen. Yeah, you're empowering the
next generation. And then what can be

523
00:35:40.960 --> 00:35:46.760
better than that? And what else? Is really the purpose of civic education?

524
00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:50.920
You know? I mean education in
general is a betterment of oneself and

525
00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:54.719
learning about this amazing place that we're
occupying for sixty eighty years or so.

526
00:35:55.000 --> 00:35:59.880
But as far as like the civics
and government and persuades, the writing and

527
00:35:59.880 --> 00:36:02.800
all, but they what a fantastic
use of all of this to do something

528
00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:07.000
good for something else instead of themselves, Because we live in such an egocentric,

529
00:36:07.079 --> 00:36:10.800
look at me sort of world and
to do something for something, to

530
00:36:10.840 --> 00:36:15.119
do something good for an animal that
most people don't even realize is real.

531
00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:21.360
It's just an astonishing achievement that you've
been undertaken here. This is fantastic well,

532
00:36:21.400 --> 00:36:28.719
and honestly coming from a low socioeconomic
area. I truly think that a

533
00:36:28.719 --> 00:36:31.920
lot of these kids don't understand that
they can make a difference in the world.

534
00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:36.280
I really don't think they understand that. And I want them to know

535
00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:40.800
how even as kids, your voice
is being heard. You just have to

536
00:36:40.880 --> 00:36:45.760
use it, get out there and
make a difference, do something. And

537
00:36:45.800 --> 00:36:50.800
they're seeing that and to get in
the newspapers and these kids are blown away.

538
00:36:50.960 --> 00:36:57.239
The other day they I did a
quick morning show appearance on a Canadian

539
00:36:57.360 --> 00:37:01.320
radio show and the kids were like, they know us in Canada. The

540
00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:05.679
world thinks the world knows who we
are. And I was like, yes,

541
00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:07.960
that's right, Yes they do.
I did not show them a map

542
00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:13.039
to show them how close Vancouver,
BC actually is to us. I was

543
00:37:13.079 --> 00:37:16.119
like, yes, you're right,
we're world famous. Now, well,

544
00:37:16.679 --> 00:37:21.000
hey, Matt prut, if you
don't mind stepping in just for a moment,

545
00:37:21.039 --> 00:37:24.960
please, what are some of the
countries that are listening right now?

546
00:37:25.360 --> 00:37:29.719
Oh, we get listeners all over
the world. There's many countries in Africa,

547
00:37:29.800 --> 00:37:32.360
many countries in Asia, Australia obviously, all over Europe, and so

548
00:37:32.440 --> 00:37:37.199
we've got a pretty big listenership worldwide. I counted one time we like eighty

549
00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:43.440
something countries listening to us. Wow. Yeah, we usually make it,

550
00:37:43.599 --> 00:37:46.199
you know, in the top one
hundred at least in the natural sciences category,

551
00:37:46.239 --> 00:37:50.119
and very often in the top fifty
for many countries around the world.

552
00:37:50.159 --> 00:37:53.280
So very grateful for all the worldwide
listeners. My kids will not know what

553
00:37:53.360 --> 00:37:57.559
to do with themselves when they hear
about that. Hope are not encourage them

554
00:37:57.599 --> 00:38:02.719
to just be like TikTok stars or
something like that. Well, and it's

555
00:38:02.760 --> 00:38:09.280
interesting too because Mason County that gal
was so impressed the commissioner that she told

556
00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:15.679
us she actually forwarded our letter to
the state legislature and asked them, do

557
00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:19.480
you have any interest in following up
on this and taking it on at the

558
00:38:19.519 --> 00:38:22.599
state level? I told the newspaper. I said, well, I guess

559
00:38:22.599 --> 00:38:24.880
if that happens, we're just gonna
have to start going state to state after

560
00:38:24.920 --> 00:38:31.559
this. So next I'm just saying, so back to when this first started

561
00:38:31.760 --> 00:38:37.480
back in twenty twenty two, and
you were petitioning grays Harbor County specifically where

562
00:38:37.480 --> 00:38:40.679
hoch Liam is located, and a
ton of bigfoot stuff. Bigfoot stuff has

563
00:38:40.679 --> 00:38:45.000
happened in the past, the famous
stuff from nineteen eighty two with all the

564
00:38:45.039 --> 00:38:50.159
sheriff Tennis Herriford and all those other
people at the deputy when the word got

565
00:38:50.199 --> 00:38:52.599
back and like grays Harbor County basically
said yeah, you know, this is

566
00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:57.760
cool, We're going to do this. What was the reaction, the initial

567
00:38:57.800 --> 00:39:01.639
reaction when it was done from the
parents and from the students in particular,

568
00:39:01.920 --> 00:39:05.920
and also from your colleagues at the
school. That's what I was about,

569
00:39:06.039 --> 00:39:08.679
is a parent blowback. That's what
I was wondering about. Well, I

570
00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:13.719
still do this day, have parents
who at conference will be like, Okay,

571
00:39:14.239 --> 00:39:16.119
what's up with the bigfoot thing?
And I'll be like, no,

572
00:39:16.119 --> 00:39:19.199
no, no, okay, here, let me explain it to you.

573
00:39:19.840 --> 00:39:24.960
And once I explain the entire process, even those that are very much naysayers

574
00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:30.920
are okay with everything and understand that
the process is very scientific, is very

575
00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:36.960
research based, is very much learning
how to write all of that. It's

576
00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:42.079
very academic. It's not that I'm
saying once again, hey, I'm going

577
00:39:42.159 --> 00:39:46.320
to improve to you that bigfoot is
real. No sasquatch. Whether they're real

578
00:39:46.400 --> 00:39:51.840
or not, that's your decision to
make. But we're going to learn a

579
00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:54.119
lot and we're gonna do a lot
of research for you to make that decision,

580
00:39:54.679 --> 00:39:58.880
Well, what per some of your
kids like change their mind or come

581
00:39:58.920 --> 00:40:01.119
in like like, let's the race
believe not believe that when you start and

582
00:40:01.360 --> 00:40:07.760
after so it's different year to year. I will say that this year I

583
00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:16.480
had probably ten out of twenty eight
not believe when we started, and by

584
00:40:16.519 --> 00:40:22.320
the end of it, I had
about ten on the Timesavers side. But

585
00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:28.199
if a handful of those had changed
to believing, just not believing, we

586
00:40:28.280 --> 00:40:34.440
needed laws for protection. When I
was teaching the last school I taught at

587
00:40:34.639 --> 00:40:38.360
before TV grabbed me and put me
on a different path. My first year

588
00:40:38.360 --> 00:40:42.599
there I taught fourth grade. My
second year there I taught sixth grade.

589
00:40:43.400 --> 00:40:45.239
It was only that that last school
for two years and then the fourth grade

590
00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:51.119
classroom. I remember very specifically my
wonderful principal name Holly. She's great,

591
00:40:51.639 --> 00:40:54.119
loved a bits she and I before
school started, Like one of my first

592
00:40:54.199 --> 00:41:00.840
meetings with her, she drove me. She was attending a workshop down down

593
00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:06.320
south of it in Oregon here and
so I carpooled with her there because she

594
00:41:06.320 --> 00:41:07.199
wanted me to take the same workshop
with her. And this is before I

595
00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:10.559
even started working at the school and
I remember on the way back, I

596
00:41:10.760 --> 00:41:15.119
turned her and said, so,
uh, Holly, you didn't google me

597
00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:19.159
before you hired me, did you? And she and I saw like aler

598
00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:21.079
of the blood flushed out of her
face for a minute. She could hear

599
00:41:21.079 --> 00:41:22.719
in a little bit wide and goes, So she turns me and goes,

600
00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:27.719
no, what, what am I
going to find out? You know?

601
00:41:28.079 --> 00:41:30.719
And I'm sure she had all sorts
of horrible things, way worse than what

602
00:41:30.760 --> 00:41:32.199
I told her. And I said, well, asked it's a bigfoot thing.

603
00:41:32.280 --> 00:41:36.360
She goes, what, And then
I started talking to her about and

604
00:41:36.639 --> 00:41:40.039
several times. She then erupted and
just like went what you know, because

605
00:41:40.119 --> 00:41:43.360
because I was already necked deep into
it, right, there's nothing I can

606
00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:46.119
do about it at that point.
And she asked me, because I was

607
00:41:46.119 --> 00:41:50.480
teaching fourth grade, and when in
fourth grade versus the end of fifth grade

608
00:41:50.559 --> 00:41:53.920
is earlyst sixth grade, huge difference. I mean, the new fourth graders

609
00:41:53.920 --> 00:41:58.920
are basically old third graders, and
that's a huge difference, right, And

610
00:41:59.079 --> 00:42:00.480
she she asked me, It's like, hey, do you mind if you

611
00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:05.639
keep this on the down low?
And it's not because of the weirdness of

612
00:42:05.679 --> 00:42:08.519
the subject or the eccentricity of their
teacher or anything like that, because she

613
00:42:08.519 --> 00:42:13.639
already knew I was kind of a
weirdo, but she didn't want me to

614
00:42:13.679 --> 00:42:17.519
scare the children. Have you run
across any concerns about that. No,

615
00:42:17.840 --> 00:42:27.039
I really haven't. I try very
hard not to let it get too scary.

616
00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:30.599
We talk about I can give you
a great example. The kids have

617
00:42:30.639 --> 00:42:34.360
such a good understanding of it.
The letter that they wrote this year.

618
00:42:34.960 --> 00:42:38.199
It was so amazing. One of
my kids, Michael, he actually has

619
00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:43.719
a line that he got into the
letter that he had come up with that

620
00:42:43.840 --> 00:42:50.800
said, look, if in fact
any of the sightings say that Bigfoot was

621
00:42:50.880 --> 00:42:58.159
aggressive or mean, it's because he
probably was cornered, and Sasquatch was probably

622
00:42:58.199 --> 00:43:04.559
cornered, and any animal would fight
back, even a bunny. I thought

623
00:43:04.599 --> 00:43:09.800
that was great though, even a
bunny. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and

624
00:43:09.960 --> 00:43:20.719
beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'll
be right back after these messages. I'll

625
00:43:20.719 --> 00:43:23.760
tell you what the district I work
for. I am so lucky when I

626
00:43:23.920 --> 00:43:28.920
went in. I believed in this
so much before it started. When I

627
00:43:28.960 --> 00:43:32.920
went in for the interview with Hopham
School District. This is the lesson I

628
00:43:32.960 --> 00:43:38.920
took with me to sell myself in
my interview, and I had probably fifty

629
00:43:38.960 --> 00:43:46.239
pages worth of artifacts and everything I
was getting used and lesson plans and it

630
00:43:46.280 --> 00:43:53.920
was all written out. And I
mean, we're talking diversification for different levels,

631
00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:58.920
and I had it all and it
was written up. It was saving

632
00:43:59.039 --> 00:44:04.559
Sasquatch, had the same name everything, and I just I fell in love

633
00:44:04.599 --> 00:44:07.880
with it when I developed it in
college, and I believed in it so

634
00:44:07.119 --> 00:44:14.519
much that my professor's warned me against
using it for interviews. No, I

635
00:44:14.639 --> 00:44:17.920
just took it in and sold it
and they bought into it. Suckers,

636
00:44:19.519 --> 00:44:22.559
right, they let me go with
it, and now here we are and

637
00:44:22.599 --> 00:44:27.079
it's it's been just such a fun
ride change in the world, one county

638
00:44:27.119 --> 00:44:31.519
at a time, that's right.
So you're getting a lot of media attention.

639
00:44:31.599 --> 00:44:34.880
I mean, you're on our podcast, but you know like it sounds

640
00:44:34.880 --> 00:44:39.760
like you were on something in Canada
recently. What other newspapers or television news

641
00:44:39.840 --> 00:44:43.840
blips and stuff that are you aware
of that it brought attention to this.

642
00:44:44.559 --> 00:44:49.199
So as far as I know,
recently, we've every year we've made it

643
00:44:49.239 --> 00:44:52.760
into our local newspaper, which is
Aberneen and see Aberdeen Daily World. And

644
00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:58.960
then I just found out yesterday that
we made it all the way to the

645
00:44:59.079 --> 00:45:04.920
Seattle Time, so and then it's
really cute. Uh. The other day

646
00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:12.960
we actually googled the class and I
googled fifth graders sasquatch, I think is

647
00:45:12.960 --> 00:45:15.679
all we put in. And I'll
be darned if we didn't pop up all

648
00:45:15.719 --> 00:45:20.480
over the place, including under images. It was just us us us.

649
00:45:21.199 --> 00:45:23.440
I was like, there you go. And they saw that and they were

650
00:45:23.480 --> 00:45:29.920
like, we're famous on Google.
I was like, yeah, you're famous

651
00:45:29.960 --> 00:45:37.199
everywhere. Fantastic now, of course, with you sticking your neck out like

652
00:45:37.239 --> 00:45:43.599
this in a sort of squatchy way. Certainly some parents or colleagues or community

653
00:45:43.599 --> 00:45:46.079
members have brought you their their their
sighting reports and you're like, hey,

654
00:45:46.159 --> 00:45:49.559
hey, well don't tell anybody,
but I saw one, you know,

655
00:45:49.639 --> 00:45:53.960
crossing you know, Deacon Road or
whatever. Few You surprised how few?

656
00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:57.880
Though? Oh really I am kind
of surprised how few? But then again,

657
00:45:57.920 --> 00:46:02.719
I'm I'm immersed in this every day, so right A lot have been

658
00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:07.840
like I don't know, and then
I'll have the few that'll be like,

659
00:46:07.159 --> 00:46:09.719
oh yeah, no, I had
this one time, and I'm like,

660
00:46:09.760 --> 00:46:14.440
oh, tell me, and I
just love it. It's such a bonding

661
00:46:14.480 --> 00:46:17.760
experience for us. For one,
how many times have they been had their

662
00:46:17.800 --> 00:46:22.679
ad eyes rolled at them that kind
of stuff? You know that's happening to

663
00:46:22.760 --> 00:46:25.239
where to have me be let the
teacher be like, oh, really,

664
00:46:25.320 --> 00:46:30.280
tell me about it. They get
so excited. But you know, the

665
00:46:30.360 --> 00:46:32.280
kids, the first thing they want
to know every year is have you had

666
00:46:32.320 --> 00:46:37.440
anything happen? And I'm like,
well, nothing major, but I will

667
00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:40.400
say and I have a We learn
about narrative writing at the beginning of the

668
00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:45.440
school year, and I always use
a narrative that I wrote that is just

669
00:46:45.480 --> 00:46:49.760
a story of It's a true story
that I was sitting on my deck two

670
00:46:49.840 --> 00:46:53.360
years ago. And I live in
Montesano, kind of out in the woods

671
00:46:53.400 --> 00:46:59.320
a little bit, not much but
a couple miles out, and I was

672
00:46:59.360 --> 00:47:04.440
sitting there and I'll be darned if
I didn't hear wood knocks. I heard

673
00:47:04.480 --> 00:47:07.400
a wood knock and then I heard
an answering wood knock that had a different

674
00:47:07.400 --> 00:47:09.880
tone and was a different rhythm,
so I knew it was one to another.

675
00:47:10.039 --> 00:47:15.519
So either I'm hearing Bigfoot or I'm
hearing people out sasquatch hunting. There's

676
00:47:15.519 --> 00:47:20.440
no way that's anything other than that. It was so clear and crisp,

677
00:47:20.480 --> 00:47:23.760
and I could hear it and it
was it was absolutely a communication. And

678
00:47:23.840 --> 00:47:27.440
I tell kids, I'm like,
I'm like, that was my most exciting

679
00:47:27.480 --> 00:47:30.679
moment. And they're just like,
so you think that Bigfoot lives by your

680
00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:34.880
house? And I'm like, Okay, we need to establish the fact that

681
00:47:34.880 --> 00:47:39.760
we're talking about a real animal,
not one guy walking around a hairy guy.

682
00:47:39.840 --> 00:47:45.920
Guys they at this age that is
where we get the confusion. Oh

683
00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:49.159
well, I mean I at the
museum, I have to counter that weekly

684
00:47:49.599 --> 00:47:53.039
that people come in they think Bigfoot
is an individual and he has been seen

685
00:47:53.239 --> 00:47:59.079
for the last two hundred years from
Florida to British Columbia. He looks great

686
00:47:59.159 --> 00:48:07.519
for his age. Then oh yeah, yeah, fantastic. So what's next?

687
00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:10.000
I mean, Gray's Harbor County,
Claham County, Mason County. You're

688
00:48:10.039 --> 00:48:13.920
knocking them down by like bowling bins, you know, like, like,

689
00:48:14.400 --> 00:48:16.119
what's next? Are you going to
go to another county next year? Are

690
00:48:16.119 --> 00:48:19.639
you going to go state level?
Or do you have any thoughts on that?

691
00:48:20.239 --> 00:48:22.599
I would liked it. I'm going
to continue the counties as long as

692
00:48:22.599 --> 00:48:29.400
it goes. But I'll tell you
what, by the Mason County, by

693
00:48:29.440 --> 00:48:32.239
them sending it forward to the state. If the state got a hold of

694
00:48:32.239 --> 00:48:36.000
me and wanted to back it,
absolutely I would take it to the state

695
00:48:36.079 --> 00:48:39.199
level. Do you have any concerns
that your success might actually put you out

696
00:48:39.239 --> 00:48:43.239
of business? Like if cops,
like if all cops did like the best

697
00:48:43.320 --> 00:48:45.840
job ever, And mind you,
cops do a great job in that's and

698
00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:49.079
they don't. But if they were
totally successful in eradicated crime, there'd be

699
00:48:49.079 --> 00:48:51.960
no need for cops, you know, like you might put yourself out of

700
00:48:51.960 --> 00:48:54.719
a good lesson plan, right,
And here's the thing, if that ever

701
00:48:54.800 --> 00:49:00.400
happened, we can go to state, we can go to countries, but

702
00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:05.119
here we can also then sit back
and relax and know that we've done something

703
00:49:05.159 --> 00:49:09.519
good for the scientific world. So
I'm okay with that. You're able to

704
00:49:09.559 --> 00:49:14.239
take an intergalactric if some of the
people are right, they're right in UFOs.

705
00:49:14.639 --> 00:49:17.000
I've read those books that say they're
coming through portals. Those are interesting.

706
00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:23.079
Those are a little out there for
me, but who knows. So

707
00:49:23.840 --> 00:49:29.159
the kids must be beaming with pride
and just empowered and beaming with pride and

708
00:49:29.199 --> 00:49:32.519
suit, just stoked in general.
What a fantastic impression you're putting on them.

709
00:49:32.559 --> 00:49:36.960
It's like they're going to remember this
the rest of their lives. Well,

710
00:49:36.960 --> 00:49:43.360
and what's really cute is we've gotten
so much great support from for everything

711
00:49:43.360 --> 00:49:46.320
from the school to the district,
to the school board, all of them.

712
00:49:46.639 --> 00:49:51.400
But also like our local newspaper.
Every year I go in and I

713
00:49:51.480 --> 00:49:54.559
try to buy a copy of the
newspaper for every one of my kids.

714
00:49:54.719 --> 00:49:58.119
They won't let me. They just
give me a bundle and they're like,

715
00:49:58.239 --> 00:50:00.639
it's for the kids. So the
kids get a souvenir, they get a

716
00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:05.639
copy of the paper with themselves in
it to keep. And you know,

717
00:50:05.840 --> 00:50:09.719
when Clallam County had it, they
sent a huge box of goodies for the

718
00:50:09.840 --> 00:50:17.639
kids that had little statues in it
and it had sasquatch lip bomb and stickers

719
00:50:17.679 --> 00:50:22.960
and it's the kids are so tickled. Oh yeah, they must be just

720
00:50:23.039 --> 00:50:25.840
over the moon about the whole thing. Well, not to mention my first

721
00:50:25.920 --> 00:50:29.159
year, the first question I got
when I said we were going to be

722
00:50:29.159 --> 00:50:31.119
in the newspaper, hands went up. I said, yeah, what's the

723
00:50:31.199 --> 00:50:37.719
question. What's in newspaper? As
I said, they know what it is.

724
00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:42.400
This group, thank goodness, knew
what a newspaper was. I've had

725
00:50:42.400 --> 00:50:46.480
a few that did not. That's
so funny. I was like, how

726
00:50:46.519 --> 00:50:51.400
are we that removed? Now we're
just getting old. They'll figure out when

727
00:50:51.440 --> 00:50:57.079
they start watching Seinfeld reruns. There
you go. I saw that the one

728
00:50:57.199 --> 00:51:01.119
kid Xander in your CLASSI heard a
sasquatch or to call them. Any of

729
00:51:01.119 --> 00:51:07.079
their kids have any stories at all? A few had very minus stories.

730
00:51:07.119 --> 00:51:12.440
Most of the stories were things like
I had. I had probably three or

731
00:51:12.440 --> 00:51:17.000
four different kids that had stories like
my dad and I were out fishing and

732
00:51:17.360 --> 00:51:22.719
we looked up and across the river
something moved. It was in the bushes.

733
00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:24.719
It was really big. We couldn't
tell what it was, but it

734
00:51:24.760 --> 00:51:29.320
looked like something stood up and then
left. And I'm like, well,

735
00:51:29.519 --> 00:51:34.159
you absolutely could have seen something,
honey. Plus, it's so good first

736
00:51:34.159 --> 00:51:37.960
and foremost to hear that these kids
are doing things like going out and fishing

737
00:51:37.960 --> 00:51:40.440
with their dads and stuff. I
was just like, yes, get out

738
00:51:40.440 --> 00:51:45.800
there. And one of the main
things that they got really excited about when

739
00:51:45.800 --> 00:51:49.679
we were writing the letters was when
I taught them what at the end of

740
00:51:49.719 --> 00:51:52.920
a letter, what a call and
at the end of their essays what a

741
00:51:52.960 --> 00:51:57.800
call to action was. And when
they realized that within their essays at the

742
00:51:57.880 --> 00:52:00.960
end of it they could say things
like, so let's all get out in

743
00:52:00.960 --> 00:52:04.480
the woods as much as we can. That way we can prove once and

744
00:52:04.559 --> 00:52:07.960
for all that this is real.
They were so excited by that to learn

745
00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:13.480
that they can include something like a
call to action at the end of an

746
00:52:13.599 --> 00:52:16.599
essay and feel like just then their
voices were heard. That was before we

747
00:52:16.679 --> 00:52:21.719
even started to get into the letter
part. So it's been just such a

748
00:52:22.159 --> 00:52:28.119
gift to watch these kids blossom into
this every year, and to watch how

749
00:52:28.199 --> 00:52:31.400
much they grow from the beginning to
the end is just amazing. Well,

750
00:52:31.440 --> 00:52:36.400
I can honestly say, I mean
from you know, my time and education

751
00:52:37.280 --> 00:52:40.719
and moving onto the bigfoot world and
all my weird life path, I mean,

752
00:52:40.920 --> 00:52:45.440
you are a gift to those children. So thank you. Thank you

753
00:52:45.519 --> 00:52:50.639
for all you do for all the
children, because their echoes of this are

754
00:52:50.639 --> 00:52:52.519
going to reverberate through time. You
know, you've affected these children in a

755
00:52:52.559 --> 00:52:58.199
way that every teacher does that the
teachers just cannot comprehend. You just never

756
00:52:58.239 --> 00:53:00.880
know what you're going to do or
say. You might you might have started

757
00:53:00.880 --> 00:53:05.119
a biologist who might be able to
study these animals in the wild once are

758
00:53:05.159 --> 00:53:07.760
actually discovered. I mean, who
knows, and just my hat, my

759
00:53:07.920 --> 00:53:10.960
hat is off to you. I
can't say enough good things about what you've

760
00:53:10.960 --> 00:53:15.280
done, So thank you so much
for everything. Well, thank you,

761
00:53:15.480 --> 00:53:22.760
and thanks for shining a spotlight on
it, because honestly, one, yeah,

762
00:53:22.000 --> 00:53:25.719
these kids are getting some fame out
of it. Okay, that's cute,

763
00:53:27.079 --> 00:53:29.920
but they're learning so much and if
other kids can learn from this,

764
00:53:30.079 --> 00:53:32.639
let's keep it going. Thank you
for everything you're doing for the children,

765
00:53:32.679 --> 00:53:36.800
for the future, for the community, for the state, for sasquatches,

766
00:53:37.039 --> 00:53:39.360
and also for us coming on the
show and talking about your efforts. It

767
00:53:39.480 --> 00:53:45.119
is so cool, so neat to
hear what's actually going on, especially with

768
00:53:45.159 --> 00:53:47.280
all the bad rap that so often
has heard about the education system that there's

769
00:53:47.639 --> 00:53:51.159
I mean, I know it's not
with the media portraits because I was in

770
00:53:51.199 --> 00:53:53.559
it. I was in the trenches. I know this, but still getting

771
00:53:53.599 --> 00:53:58.280
word out that they're shining beacons of
light like this, like this lesson plan

772
00:53:58.320 --> 00:54:01.360
that you developed up there. I
hope you know. It just is so

773
00:54:01.559 --> 00:54:06.519
refreshing and so great to hear about
I can't thank you enough. Clearly,

774
00:54:06.559 --> 00:54:08.239
I keep talking about it. I
can't thank you enough. You thank you

775
00:54:08.400 --> 00:54:17.039
enough? No, no, no, thank you, thank you you Well.

776
00:54:17.039 --> 00:54:21.559
That wraps up this. Andrews,
a fifth grade teacher from Hope wey

777
00:54:21.559 --> 00:54:24.280
On, and her class, Thank
you guys for doing all that and people

778
00:54:24.880 --> 00:54:35.119
you like Miss Andrews, keep it
squatchy. Thanks for listening to this week's

779
00:54:35.159 --> 00:54:37.960
episode of Bigfoot and Beyond. If
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780
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781
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782
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783
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784
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