1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:04,120 What's up, y'all is Drewski and I've teamed up with Mountain Dew to produce 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:08,759 a hilarious new basketball podcast called The Duzone with Drewski. Learn the backstories of 3 00:00:08,759 --> 00:00:12,240 your favorite balls and celebrities like Jamal Murray. Did you have like a favorite 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:14,720 team? Was it the Raptors at the time? Or no? Was the 5 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:17,480 Rappers even started on the top? Come on, bro, hid that old 6 00:00:18,519 --> 00:00:22,120 talking like I'm fifty, Taylor Rogues, Asian Wilson and anymore. You won't 7 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:25,239 want to miss this. Listen to The Due Zone with Drewski on Apple Podcasts, 8 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:32,520 Spotify, and wherever you listen to podcasts. This is Brandon Kelly, 9 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:40,399 the host of Blue Iires new podcast Golden Goals. Everybody Else from Lionel Messi 10 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:47,600 to Marta to Pelee. Our show takes a deep dive into soccer superstars. 11 00:00:48,679 --> 00:00:55,280 What a Welcome from Megan Rappino. From Zlatan Ibrahimovich's brash confidence with the play 12 00:00:55,320 --> 00:01:00,479 to back it up to Megan Rapino's heroic outspokenness and World Cup up flair, 13 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:06,719 each episode examines a personality of the world's game. We'll dig into Maradona's Hand 14 00:01:06,719 --> 00:01:11,519 of God performance and subsequent downfall, the teenage trio at Dorton that signaled the 15 00:01:11,599 --> 00:01:19,359 next generation of superstars, and that infamous headbutt that slung Zenadin Zadan from Glory 16 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:26,920 Golden Gold Soccer Stars and the moments that made them premiering this summer on Blue 17 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:45,680 Wire, Hey howdy, Hey, Ardwoo knocks listeners. That was wildly awkward 18 00:01:45,719 --> 00:01:49,120 greeting. You're welcome. I'm Dama Valley coming at you with Adam Frommel, 19 00:01:49,239 --> 00:01:53,439 the founder and editor in chief of NBA Matt follow him on Twitter at Frommel 20 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:57,439 zero nine. He's also an editor for Bleacher Report. He's here, which 21 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:01,000 means that we are continuing on with our decade ranking series. We are up 22 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:07,159 to the Miami Heat before we get into the top ten players of the decade 23 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:12,680 for these heatles, just our usual housekeeping notes. Please please pretty please. 24 00:02:12,719 --> 00:02:15,919 With Chigger on top, remember to rate, review, and subscribe to us 25 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:20,520 wherever you are consuming your podcast. It also really helps if you go over 26 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,039 to iTunes, whether you use it or not, search hard with Knox, 27 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:27,280 throw us that five star rating and write whatever you review you please, constructive 28 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,520 criticism, compliments, anything that you want. We're reading them, We're monitoring 29 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:35,719 them. It all helps us out and we appreciate everyone who's done all that, 30 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,360 and if you are or I've already done all that, we also appreciate 31 00:02:38,439 --> 00:02:42,759 any promotions that you can give us, retweeting what we put out on Twitter, 32 00:02:43,159 --> 00:02:46,039 or telling your friends, family members, acquaintances randos on the street. 33 00:02:46,759 --> 00:02:49,680 Hopefully not on the streets. Hopefully you're social distancing, so let me retract 34 00:02:49,719 --> 00:02:53,479 that randos on social media. Last, but certainly not least, shout out 35 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:57,599 to our sponsors this week, bet online, dot AG as always, you 36 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,840 will be hearing from them in just a in it, Adam, how are 37 00:03:00,879 --> 00:03:05,240 you doing? You know, It's funny, I feel like I go through 38 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:09,080 this daily mental battle now where I'm like, I'm getting so excited that that 39 00:03:09,199 --> 00:03:15,199 sports are close to being back in some capacity, whether it's baseball or whether 40 00:03:15,199 --> 00:03:19,159 it's basketball. But then it's like, are these plans responsible? Like we 41 00:03:19,479 --> 00:03:23,280 see these positive tests come out every day for these prominent athletes in addition to 42 00:03:23,319 --> 00:03:27,919 the many people around the country who are continuing to test positive as this pandemic 43 00:03:28,039 --> 00:03:30,159 rages on, and it's like, how do I feel about this? It's 44 00:03:30,199 --> 00:03:34,919 it's like I go through this every day. Now I'm with you and I 45 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:38,879 think people have conflated the concern or the belief that pro sports shouldn't be returning 46 00:03:38,919 --> 00:03:44,000 this year with oh, you hate the sport that you cover or watch, 47 00:03:44,039 --> 00:03:46,680 and maybe you should think about a different line of work. There are some 48 00:03:46,719 --> 00:03:50,960 people out there that I you know NBA specifically when you're talking about certain announcers 49 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:54,280 or analysts or writers, where does genuinely seem like they hate the league. 50 00:03:54,479 --> 00:03:58,159 But in this case, I think everyone's just struggling the ball. Pierce, 51 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:02,360 Sorry, sorry, everyone's just struggling to grapple with or most I would say, 52 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,759 you're struggling to grapple with the idea that hey, we really want the 53 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:10,159 NBA back, but is it safe to do so. And if you believe 54 00:04:10,199 --> 00:04:12,439 that it's not safe to do so, if you think that they can should 55 00:04:12,439 --> 00:04:16,360 be kicked until next season, I would I think every I think that's totally 56 00:04:16,399 --> 00:04:19,160 I think either stance is kind of totally understandable. But we don't need to 57 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:25,120 conflate this concern with a distaste for the sport that we cover. And look, 58 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,720 the stakes are high here because you can argue that we all need to 59 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,639 get comfortable to some extent living with this virus. And with the way we're 60 00:04:31,639 --> 00:04:35,360 headed, I think that's absolutely true. But the question still is can this 61 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:40,680 be done safely? And there's something about sort of just finding out when the 62 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:45,680 rest of the country isn't doing so well looking at the COVID nine team numbers 63 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:47,759 that that's really unsettling, And that's that's not even a political stance. I 64 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:51,199 just think it's something to grapple with. We want sports back, but I 65 00:04:51,199 --> 00:04:56,079 think it's fair to question whether it's it's safe right now to have them back. 66 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:00,600 And with the NBA specifically, I think there are are certain little things 67 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,360 about the plan to the plan, to the best of our knowledge at least, 68 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:08,079 that just kind of rub you the wrong way, whether it's you know, 69 00:05:08,319 --> 00:05:11,879 it's Adam Silver, the commissioner of the league, having the ability to 70 00:05:11,959 --> 00:05:15,079 move in and out of the bubble through a quote backdoor that he and Disney 71 00:05:15,079 --> 00:05:18,959 employees are going to have access to, or the use of this ring technology 72 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:24,439 that can monitor people and see whether they're going to be more likely to be 73 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:29,079 infected and to have complications from the virus, when that might that kind of 74 00:05:29,079 --> 00:05:32,439 technology might be better used with healthcare providers and healthcare workers and people who are 75 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:36,959 on the front lines working to combat this pandemic. It's just little things. 76 00:05:38,079 --> 00:05:41,360 It's not knowing what the long term ramifications are going to be. Are we 77 00:05:41,399 --> 00:05:45,600 going to see someone like Zion Williamson if he's infected, Is he can have 78 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,600 long term lung damage that might hinder his career? Could something even worse happen? 79 00:05:48,639 --> 00:05:51,959 There are just so many unknowns that, you know, I so badly 80 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:57,480 want to watch these guys go play. I so badly want to watch the 81 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:01,199 w NBA, I so badly want to watch MLB, But with these unknowns, 82 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:05,120 it it still feels so irresponsible, right, And look, that's the 83 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:09,319 thing is the risk will always be there, and there's the element of you, 84 00:06:09,319 --> 00:06:12,920 you're not going to know what happens until the league tries to play. 85 00:06:13,319 --> 00:06:16,879 But the idea of not having basketball for the rest of the season would be 86 00:06:16,959 --> 00:06:21,600 that with time when the season slated to start in December, let's say, 87 00:06:21,879 --> 00:06:26,319 you would be in a better position to just handle it in general where it's 88 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:29,040 not so much of a risk to find out if it works. And that's 89 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,120 where it comes from, because both you and I are going to watch basketball 90 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,319 when it comes back, and it certainly seems like it's going to come back. 91 00:06:34,759 --> 00:06:38,959 I just don't there there's some people that seem like they hate the NBA 92 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:42,079 who cover the NBA. I get it, but I don't think it's unfair 93 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:46,720 at this point to think that maybe it's it's too unsafe for the league to 94 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:47,920 try coming back. I also get the stance that how are you going to 95 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:51,519 know whether it's unsafe unless you do come back. Except for the fact that 96 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:58,519 when COVID nineteen is just still so prevalent in society at large, there does 97 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:02,199 feel there's this element of of irresponsibility. It feels like with the NBA coming 98 00:07:02,199 --> 00:07:04,839 back, and even the optics of if these players are going to be tested 99 00:07:04,959 --> 00:07:12,079 daily and regular citizens don't have access to that type of frequent testing, how 100 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,040 does that make you feel when the numbers are still so bad around the nation? 101 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:19,199 Right, I think we might see a little bit of hate watching to 102 00:07:19,279 --> 00:07:24,079 some extent, just because people are frustrated that it's back, but also simultaneously 103 00:07:24,079 --> 00:07:27,120 happy. It might be a little like they hate watched Lebron James when he 104 00:07:27,199 --> 00:07:30,839 joined the Miami Heat in twenty ten. That is that is a great segue 105 00:07:30,959 --> 00:07:34,439 into the top ten Miami Heat of the decade beginning with the two proud of 106 00:07:34,439 --> 00:07:39,480 that one beginning with the two thousand eleventh season. Can you provide just a 107 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,399 quick reminder for anyone who's tuning into the first one of these podcasts how the 108 00:07:42,959 --> 00:07:46,480 ranking system works. Yeah. So we always put out the fan vote where 109 00:07:46,519 --> 00:07:49,959 we ask you, our listeners, our Twitter followers, everyone to fill out 110 00:07:50,199 --> 00:07:54,680 who you thought were the ten best, most valuable, however you choose to 111 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:58,839 find it most important players of the decade for the franchise in question. Then 112 00:07:58,879 --> 00:08:03,199 we compiled those results as one component of our three pronged system. I have 113 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:07,519 a ballot, Dan has a ballot. We combined those to find a composite 114 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:11,439 top ten, and that is the top ten with which we're working here. 115 00:08:11,079 --> 00:08:16,800 So Udonis Haslam and Justice Winslow both appeared on top tens for one of those 116 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:20,040 three components. Haslam was number ten for the fans. He was number nine 117 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:24,079 for me. He did not appear on Dan's ballot. Justice Winslow was ninth 118 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:28,439 for Dan. Did not appear for either me or the fans, so they 119 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,639 both barely missed the cut, and we actually have a two way tie for 120 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:35,639 the number nine spot. The first of those is Jimmy Butler, Butler was 121 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:39,000 up at number seven for the fans. I did not have him. Dan 122 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:43,679 did not have him, and that was pretty much what I expected going in, 123 00:08:43,799 --> 00:08:46,200 just because current player, current All Star. Even in the midst of 124 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:50,240 a really poor shooting season, he's continued to provide so much value with his 125 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:56,000 versatility on both ends, the consistent perimeter defense that he brings. He's really 126 00:08:56,039 --> 00:09:01,039 been the leader on and off the court of this team is back in playoff 127 00:09:01,039 --> 00:09:07,519 contention for the first time since twenty seventeen eighteen. Yeah, for him, 128 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:11,919 specifically with the Lakers, it was easier easier to include someone like Anthony Davis 129 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:15,480 in their top ten because of how high he actually ranked on the ladder and 130 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,879 not only some of the advanced metrics, but minutes played. And with Butler, 131 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:22,879 you're talking about someone who ranks outside the top twenty five and minutes played 132 00:09:22,919 --> 00:09:26,720 for the Heat this decade because he hasn't even been there a full season technically, 133 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:30,559 and when they have other quality options that that's just why I personally left 134 00:09:30,639 --> 00:09:33,120 him off. I still wouldn't argue with someone who would include him. He's 135 00:09:33,159 --> 00:09:37,639 certainly proven that he can be the best player on a quasi contender, and 136 00:09:37,639 --> 00:09:41,600 there were some questions whether that was possible after how his time in Minnesota ended, 137 00:09:41,639 --> 00:09:46,639 and then you know Philly being good but not great with him, and 138 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:50,039 the fact that he's sort of answered those skeptics and made it so that the 139 00:09:50,039 --> 00:09:54,759 Heat feel like a destination again, not that they really ever weren't, because 140 00:09:54,759 --> 00:09:58,759 we know guys want to play in Miami, but now of a sudden we're 141 00:09:58,759 --> 00:10:01,559 talking about why wouldn't Free want to go with the Heat. It's not only 142 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:03,080 a great market, but they have an up and comer in them at a 143 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:07,840 bio And now they have Jimmy Butler, who's this entrenched top twelve, top 144 00:10:07,879 --> 00:10:11,039 fifteen player wherever you wherever you put him. So if you have an all 145 00:10:11,159 --> 00:10:15,000 MBA type guy, a top twelve fifteen guy on your roster for any sort 146 00:10:15,039 --> 00:10:20,159 of semi significant length of time, I totally get the impetus to include them 147 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:24,399 in this exercise within the top ten. I'm not going to criticize anyone who 148 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:26,759 includes him. I think seven might be a little bit too high. He 149 00:10:26,799 --> 00:10:31,480 did rise as high as third on some ballots. Personally, I went with 150 00:10:31,519 --> 00:10:35,559 Haslam as my back of the ballot inclusion just because of how much he's meant 151 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:39,919 to this franchise. I think that his value has gone well beyond the fairly 152 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:43,639 limited on court contributions towards the back end of his career. But he's been 153 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:48,320 that consistent locker room presence, that consistent veteran mentor that conscience of the franchise, 154 00:10:48,639 --> 00:10:52,720 and he's just been so vital to that team that you know, there's 155 00:10:52,759 --> 00:10:56,639 there's talk about an eventual Jersey retirement, even though he hasn't really touched an 156 00:10:56,639 --> 00:11:00,519 All Star level in quite some time, so that was more of the sentiment 157 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,600 route. I do think that despite the limited time, there is an objective 158 00:11:03,639 --> 00:11:07,559 case for Jimmy Butler. But really this franchise, which over the last decade 159 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:11,600 we saw the Heatles era where they were just so dominant and then they fell 160 00:11:11,639 --> 00:11:16,120 off as soon as Lebron left, and they've been kind of this fringe playoff 161 00:11:16,159 --> 00:11:20,799 team that's that's rising, and that's led to so many names that I think 162 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:24,759 you could justify including in some capacity, whether it's Shane Battier or Mike Miller 163 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:30,799 or Justice Winslow or Haslam or Jimmy Butler or Dion Waiters, maybe even Kendrick 164 00:11:30,919 --> 00:11:37,759 Nunn because or Tyler Harrow because they they've been so good as rookies. There 165 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:41,200 there are a lot of options and it's hard to hold any against any against 166 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:45,519 any of the voters here. Yeah, and look, Joannis hasn't make sense 167 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:50,159 just because of the longevity. He survived more iterations than the Heat of the 168 00:11:50,159 --> 00:11:54,039 Heat than Dwayne Wade. At this point, I went with Ray Allen as 169 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:56,559 my back in the ballot pick just because if you want to put him a 170 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:58,600 little higher, that's fine. If you wanted to leave him off, those 171 00:11:58,639 --> 00:12:01,960 probably where I'd take issue. If you look at Shane Batty and Mike Miller, 172 00:12:03,039 --> 00:12:05,919 two names that I considered. Looking at Shane Batty's defense when the Heat 173 00:12:05,919 --> 00:12:11,080 won their first title, or looking at Mike Miller going off and in some 174 00:12:11,159 --> 00:12:13,960 playoff games, I tried to consider, would the Heat have still won those 175 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:18,559 games, or those series or that title if those players weren't there. And 176 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:22,440 I came to the answer of yes for the most part. Batty, it 177 00:12:22,519 --> 00:12:26,000 might be a little bit debatable. With Ray Allen, you can't come to 178 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:30,879 that conclusion because he hit one of the biggest shots in NBA history to put 179 00:12:30,919 --> 00:12:37,000 the Heat in a position to force Game seven and win their second straight championship 180 00:12:37,039 --> 00:12:41,840 and what happens if Miami doesn't win that title. There's just I feel like 181 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:43,919 there are so many ramifications that maybe people will say, well, it doesn't 182 00:12:43,919 --> 00:12:48,879 matter Lebron ends up leaving basically a year later, but there might have been 183 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,519 just some offseason trades or some I don't even know if that was the year 184 00:12:52,519 --> 00:12:56,039 that Lebron's first player option. I don't think it was. That was after 185 00:12:56,159 --> 00:12:58,360 four years, so, but maybe you look at making some weird trades. 186 00:12:58,639 --> 00:13:01,679 Is Chris Bosh all of a sudden on the move from there? What does 187 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:05,399 it just do to Lebron's legacy in general? That was such a huge shot. 188 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:07,320 It was tough for me to leave ray Allen off, even though I 189 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:11,759 didn't necessarily think that he deserved to be any higher, because I'm not sure 190 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:15,480 just looking at what he can do as a floor spacer. He was a 191 00:13:15,519 --> 00:13:18,240 liability on defense, though one time I got to Miami, it feels like 192 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,720 I can put him any higher. But I definitely wasn't going to leave him 193 00:13:20,759 --> 00:13:24,440 off this list either, right, ray Allen actually did appear in all three 194 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,799 components. He was tied with Jimmy Butler for ninth. He was he was 195 00:13:26,879 --> 00:13:30,200 ninth for the fans. He was tenth for both you and I, And 196 00:13:30,279 --> 00:13:33,240 really it was it was that one shot that did it for me. I 197 00:13:33,279 --> 00:13:37,440 mean Game six of the twenty thirteen finals, and I think anyone who watched 198 00:13:37,519 --> 00:13:41,080 that remembers exactly where they were when he back pedaled into the corner and hit 199 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:46,879 that three over the Tony Parker close out after an offensive rebound and forced over 200 00:13:46,919 --> 00:13:50,320 time after you know, the yellow ropes had already come out, after the 201 00:13:50,639 --> 00:13:54,480 heat, fans and attendance had already basically vacated the arena. I was. 202 00:13:54,519 --> 00:13:58,440 I was watching it in the first apartment that I had out in Colorado, 203 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:03,799 and I remember remember that I was watching it by myself and yelled so loudly 204 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:07,879 that I woke up my next door neighbor, who came and knocked on my 205 00:14:07,919 --> 00:14:09,240 door to make sure that I was okay. And it was just it was 206 00:14:09,279 --> 00:14:13,159 just like one of those moments where you know, how could you not react 207 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:18,960 that way? And I think because it was so obvious that that wasn't just 208 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:22,039 like some fluke shot. It wasn't like, you know, Derek Fisher knocking 209 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:26,919 down a three point with point four seconds left in a playoff game. But 210 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:31,639 this was a moment that Ray Allen had uniquely prepared for. Now we've heard 211 00:14:31,679 --> 00:14:35,320 the stories about him training with a drill that he made up where he would 212 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:37,240 lay down in the paint, face down, have to get up and backpedal 213 00:14:37,279 --> 00:14:41,720 into the corner. He knew how to time his steps and how to orient 214 00:14:41,879 --> 00:14:43,759 himself to make sure that he didn't step out out of bounds, to make 215 00:14:43,799 --> 00:14:46,759 sure that he got behind the arc in that little tiny space in the corner. 216 00:14:48,159 --> 00:14:52,159 And like just the legacy that that shot has and the impact that it 217 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:54,879 has, the ramifications that it has that you touched on. Like that, 218 00:14:56,039 --> 00:15:00,879 that moment alone was enough to justify Allan's inclusion, even if done nothing else 219 00:15:00,879 --> 00:15:03,840 for the heat. Shout out Chris Bosh for grabbing that off as a rebound 220 00:15:03,919 --> 00:15:09,320 too, and shout out Greg Popovich for seving out to Tim Duncan. If 221 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:16,919 that's a whole other conversation. Attention to Hardwin Knox listeners, There is no 222 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:22,200 shortage of action going on at our exclusive partners. Bet Online dot ag Sports 223 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,279 are slowly making their way back, and bet online is leading the way with 224 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:28,159 the best odds and lines for all UFC, NASCAR, boxing, and soccer 225 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:33,600 matches, and if you need even more, they have simulated NFL, NBA 226 00:15:33,759 --> 00:15:37,840 and UFC events all day, every day, live on their website. Looking 227 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:41,279 for something else other than sports, bet online has hundreds of casino games, 228 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:46,360 poker tournaments and prop bets. To check out, visit bet online dot ag 229 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:50,559 and use promo code blue wire all one word for a free welcome bonus. 230 00:15:50,559 --> 00:15:58,320 That's one word, blue wire bet online. You're online wagering experts. Can 231 00:15:58,399 --> 00:16:03,639 you take us two? The number eight player I can Number eight is Josh 232 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:07,679 Richardson. He did not appear on the Fans Top ten. He just barely 233 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,960 missed out on that final slot to you, Donna Saslam, but he was 234 00:16:11,039 --> 00:16:14,240 seventh for both you and I. I know you've always been a huge fan 235 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,919 of Josh Richardson's two way game, just that you know, he's been a 236 00:16:17,919 --> 00:16:21,600 switchable defender. He's been a guy who can create his own shot or work 237 00:16:21,639 --> 00:16:25,320 off the ball, and even if he's not quite ascended to the level of 238 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:27,080 stardom that we might have expected when he was an up and comer, like, 239 00:16:27,399 --> 00:16:32,480 it's pretty obvious that he's been a valuable player. Yeah, I love 240 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:34,919 Josh Richardson. He's had some struggles in Philly, but just looking at him 241 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:40,440 as more of a complimentary player, someone who can defend positions one through four. 242 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:44,279 Really the heat more liberally through him at power forwards than we've seen with 243 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:47,919 the Sixers. They really tried to stretch the shot creation abilities, and look, 244 00:16:48,919 --> 00:16:52,200 they're there. If you want to have him run situational pick and rolls, 245 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:53,200 hit some pull up jumpers, he can do that. But he's really 246 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,279 just best served as someone who can move off the ball. He's gonna hit 247 00:16:56,320 --> 00:17:00,480 open shots, he still can attack close outs, and so he's a very 248 00:17:00,519 --> 00:17:03,840 well rounded player. And what he does on defense, though I don't think 249 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:07,200 he's fully appreciated enough. He's never really in the mentioned as often in the 250 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:11,559 all defense conversation, and he could be there in any given year. This 251 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:15,000 year, don't think he stayed healthy enough. But Josh Richerson, I feel 252 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:18,799 like is if you're a really good team, if you're a championship contender. 253 00:17:18,279 --> 00:17:22,640 We say this a lot about certain players, like a Patrick Beverley, just 254 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:26,240 feels like he'd be a universal fit for any really good team. Josh Richerson 255 00:17:26,319 --> 00:17:30,680 is that type of of wing because it's not it's he he's even more. 256 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,640 He has more universality to his game than even Robert Covington, where I think 257 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:37,160 people look at him as this plugging play three and D guy, and he 258 00:17:37,319 --> 00:17:41,799 is. But Josh Richerson also provides you with functional shooting on the offensive end. 259 00:17:41,799 --> 00:17:45,839 I'm talking about someone who can actually move, shoot off the move, 260 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:49,039 or really you know, go through handoffs. He's gonna be able to score 261 00:17:49,079 --> 00:17:52,680 off the dribble. And so when you're plugging play while also providing that functional 262 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:56,519 shooting, it's sort of like he doesn't do what JJ Reddick does. But 263 00:17:56,559 --> 00:17:59,200 that's what JJ Reddick is is He's not just a shooter. He's a functional 264 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:03,440 shooter. And now you combine that with Josh Richardson's defense and you just have 265 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,640 one hell of a player. And so I've always been a huge fan of 266 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:10,240 his game, and I'm a little bit surprised actually that the fans, just 267 00:18:10,279 --> 00:18:14,200 knowing how he sort of identified as one of those you know, heat diamond 268 00:18:14,599 --> 00:18:17,640 in the rust, that they were able to mind. I'm surprised that the 269 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:21,720 fans didn't have him in their top ten. Yeah, I think it's easy 270 00:18:21,799 --> 00:18:25,160 to forget how much time he's spent with the heat. I mean he's seventh 271 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,880 and minutes played. He checks the there in his box. But just because 272 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:33,680 of how he rose to the level that he's reached. You know, after 273 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:36,920 a four year career at Tennessee, he was only the fortieth pick in the 274 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:40,200 twenty fifteen draft. He didn't play that much as a rookie. He really 275 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:44,240 struggled as a sophomore. Only shot thirty three percent on three pointers, only 276 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:48,519 shot thirty nine point four percent from the field. But he just gradually continued 277 00:18:48,559 --> 00:18:52,319 to improve. And I think in some of the less obvious areas too, 278 00:18:52,319 --> 00:18:56,200 Like if you look at the playmaking strides that he's made throughout his career. 279 00:18:56,240 --> 00:19:00,319 He entered the league as a guy who didn't pass that much. She was 280 00:19:00,319 --> 00:19:03,000 trying to make the most himself of the possessions that he did receive, but 281 00:19:03,319 --> 00:19:10,160 gradually improved his assist numbers, improved the trust that Eric Spoelstra had in him, 282 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:15,519 running pick and rolls, running transition possessions without making mistakes. I'm always 283 00:19:15,519 --> 00:19:19,119 a huge fan of guys who can pass without turning the ball over, just 284 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:23,640 you know, those mistake free passers who still manage to remain aggressive. It's 285 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:29,440 not a lack of mistakes because you're not trying things. It's a lack of 286 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:34,319 mistakes because you're trying the right things. And Josh Richardson seemed to increasingly filled 287 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:38,960 that niche throughout his time in Miami. Yeah, and look, how about 288 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:44,599 the twenty fifteen draft. In the second rounds just looking at the players that 289 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:48,839 came out of it, Montras Harrell was there as well, Josh Richardson obviously, 290 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:52,359 Rishawn Holmes, Norman Powell, that was Pat Connaughton. Even we thought 291 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:56,000 Willie hernan Gomez was going to be good for for a hot second. There's 292 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,039 you would have to go back and look at this, but that feels like 293 00:19:59,079 --> 00:20:02,440 one of the seeing these great players from out the second round. But I 294 00:20:02,519 --> 00:20:06,960 wonder if if any recent second round has yielded so many quality, impact, 295 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:11,680 impact players in the same draft. I actually think we're about to have one 296 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:15,160 of those. I think that this twenty twenty draft. I think we're going 297 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:19,440 to see a lot of guys taken late who are going to have a lot 298 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:23,759 of experience playing at the college level, and teams are starting to value those 299 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:27,039 four year contributors more and more. There are just a lot of names that 300 00:20:27,079 --> 00:20:30,680 I like who are are projected at this moment to go in that in that 301 00:20:30,759 --> 00:20:37,400 second round guys like Xavier Tillman or Cassius Stanley or Killy and Tilly or Grant 302 00:20:37,519 --> 00:20:41,759 Riller, Marcus Howard. You know, I feel like this this twenty twenty 303 00:20:41,799 --> 00:20:45,759 draft, for all the criticism that it gets at the top, justified criticism 304 00:20:45,839 --> 00:20:48,200 because of the lack of guaranteed star power. It's I feel like it's a 305 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:52,559 little deeper than people realize, not some of your too far off topic. 306 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:56,720 As someone who has watched sub sixty minutes of draft film so far this year, 307 00:20:56,799 --> 00:21:00,720 knowing that it's not going to happen until what is it twenty twenty five 308 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,119 at this point or something, I feel qualified to say that I totally agree 309 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:07,039 with you. I think that's absolutely fair and you should go watch Grant Riller 310 00:21:07,079 --> 00:21:11,839 highlights because he's one of my favorite players in the draft. Who do we 311 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:17,519 have coming in at number seven? At number seven? We have Mario Chalmers. 312 00:21:18,079 --> 00:21:19,839 He was number eight on the fan ballot, He was number eight for 313 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:25,599 me, and you had him all the way up at number five. I 314 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:32,799 feel like people sell Chalmers short, if only because of the reputation that he 315 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:36,480 developed during his time in Miami which is just this punching bag, Like you 316 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:41,079 couldn't watch more than two games without seeing Lebron yelling at Chalmers in some capacity. 317 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:48,279 I think that superseded the contributions that he brought, like the three point 318 00:21:48,279 --> 00:21:53,400 shooting, the ability to serve as that secondary playmaker despite running the point, 319 00:21:53,519 --> 00:21:57,279 you know, the big shots that he made. He was never a glamorous 320 00:21:57,279 --> 00:22:02,359 contributor, but he was a consistently good one. Grand book. He worked 321 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:03,359 his butt off on defense too, And that's part of the reason I had 322 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:08,359 him so high is he was able to contribute while just being Lebron James, 323 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:15,279 his punching bag essentially. Yeah, so I think that that the longevity even 324 00:22:15,319 --> 00:22:18,519 that an anecdote that you mentioned, and then look at it's hard. He 325 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:22,079 played a ball dominant position by being anything but And if we're going to give 326 00:22:22,279 --> 00:22:26,400 sort of Patrick Beverly kudos for that, I'm not comparing the two on defense. 327 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,640 If that's how anyone takes this. If you want to give players props 328 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:33,119 for playing these hybrid roles or playing a role that really isn't synonymous with the 329 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:37,200 position that they're supposed to play, it's not really easy. And so for 330 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:38,480 someone that they could really count on. He hit some big shots in the 331 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:42,599 playoffs, he played some big postseason minutes for them. It never he didn't 332 00:22:42,599 --> 00:22:45,799 defend like he was six two. It always felt like he was a little 333 00:22:45,799 --> 00:22:48,480 bit bigger to me, and so I had no qualms about when you when 334 00:22:48,519 --> 00:22:51,559 you factor in the longevity as well, I had no qualms about putting him 335 00:22:51,559 --> 00:22:55,119 at number five. He was all over the place in the fan ballot. 336 00:22:55,160 --> 00:23:00,240 He didn't appear on about a quarter of ballots, but he rose his is 337 00:23:00,319 --> 00:23:04,000 fourth on some. His most commonplacement was eighth, so he was he was 338 00:23:04,039 --> 00:23:08,519 just all over the place, which I felt was was pretty appropriate. I'd 339 00:23:08,559 --> 00:23:14,160 still have trouble moving him over the next two guys that we're going to talk 340 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:18,759 about, but I get it just because of his importance to those title winning 341 00:23:18,759 --> 00:23:22,319 teams. Well, then who who's the first of those next two guys. 342 00:23:22,759 --> 00:23:26,519 The first of those next two guys is Bam Autobio. He was sixth for 343 00:23:26,559 --> 00:23:29,440 both me and the fans, and you had him down at number eight, 344 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:33,319 which really caught me by surprise because he's another guy I've I've always thought that 345 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,720 you were a really big fan of I look Beam and Baio was really good. 346 00:23:36,759 --> 00:23:40,440 I question whether he alone can anchor a really good defense, just because 347 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:44,000 things can get spotty if he is your primary back line defender. But if 348 00:23:44,039 --> 00:23:47,680 you give me a big that can move his feet like he can, I'm 349 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,279 going to fall in love with him. And just knowing what he could do 350 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:53,200 on offense, setting running sets in the half court, bringing the ball up 351 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:57,160 the floor, can be crafty with his back to the basket. My whole 352 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:02,039 thing is this is his first season with minutes, and so I'm going to 353 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:06,960 sort of defer to, you know, players like Richardson, even whitesider Mario 354 00:24:07,039 --> 00:24:10,599 Chalmers, Dragic who have just more extensive resumes with the Heat, And you 355 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,240 can't penalize a player necessarily for their role. And it was very clear last 356 00:24:14,319 --> 00:24:18,640 year that bam Adebayo should have been playing more minutes from the jump. But 357 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:22,519 while the advanced metrics love him, the fact of the matter for me is 358 00:24:22,559 --> 00:24:26,440 that this is just his first season with serious minutes and he still falls outside 359 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,200 the top ten in total minutes playing. I mean, Norris Cole has played 360 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,640 more minutes for the Heat this decade than bam Adebayo. And look that's not 361 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,000 to just work against him. I'm just trying to justify why I put a 362 00:24:36,039 --> 00:24:38,799 guy like Richardson, Chalmers and Whiteside in front of him. Can you make 363 00:24:38,799 --> 00:24:44,359 an argument that he's been the Heats best player this year? No, I 364 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,720 couldn't, just because I don't think he means nearly as much to their offense 365 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,160 as Jimmy Butler, and Jimmy Butler means more to their defense as well too. 366 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:56,839 To me, maybe it's debatable. I myself couldn't begin to outline a 367 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,519 case for it, though, Yeah, I agree, I I think it's 368 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:04,119 somewhat close, even even if I would have Butler above him, just because 369 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:10,319 of that versatility that he brings in. And yeah, it's maybe within the 370 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:14,079 context of the team, it's easy to see how Butler is so much more 371 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,799 valuable. But in terms of like team construction, I think it's easier to 372 00:25:17,799 --> 00:25:19,640 find a guy like Butler than it is to find a guy like Autobio right 373 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:26,319 now, just because he's he's like the future of the center position here right 374 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:30,480 like, he checks every single box that you're looking for in a modern center, 375 00:25:30,559 --> 00:25:33,039 maybe with the exception of three point shooting, which it seems like he's 376 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:37,559 on the cusp of showing he's taken thirteen this year, he's only made one, 377 00:25:37,039 --> 00:25:41,359 but he's he's taken a lot of longer twos. He's starting to tease 378 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:45,359 out those portions of his game. And you know, just seeing him operate 379 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,519 on the perimeter with the ball, running running breaks, running sets, and 380 00:25:48,559 --> 00:25:53,519 then defending on the perimeter, it just it feels like he does everything that 381 00:25:53,559 --> 00:25:59,279 you want in a modern day center, and that's that's hard to find in 382 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:04,480 every team it's right now, I would say bam and Baio is more of 383 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:08,680 an anomaly relative disposition at this point, and while Jimmy Butler might be more 384 00:26:08,759 --> 00:26:12,000 common when you look at his style because that's how you aren't want used to 385 00:26:12,039 --> 00:26:15,039 play, he feels like more of the overall anomaly. And if you want 386 00:26:15,039 --> 00:26:18,079 to say Bamati Bio is more important the Heat's defense, I totally get that 387 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:22,839 and I'll accept that. But you know, when Jimmy Butler plays without bam 388 00:26:22,839 --> 00:26:26,000 Adabaio this season, the Heat have an offensive rating in the ninety third percentile 389 00:26:26,079 --> 00:26:27,599 and bam Adebio, if you reverse that, please, without Jimmy Butler, 390 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:32,480 Heat have an offensive rating in a thirty fourth percentile. And that might say 391 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:37,119 to me, it just feels like wings or primary ball handlers. The guys 392 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,319 who are going to face up and can score that way, they're always going 393 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:44,279 to have inherently more influence over the offense, and by extension, that's going 394 00:26:44,319 --> 00:26:47,359 to make them more important. They can change in certain situations. I think 395 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:51,799 you can argue Karl Anthony Towns in Minnesota Bam Atibaio just isn't close to that 396 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,519 level offensively just yet. Like you said, he's sort of teased the outside 397 00:26:55,519 --> 00:26:57,400 parts of his game, looking at his shooting. So if that comes along, 398 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,279 perhaps he gets there. But right now I think it's pretty clear that 399 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:07,799 Jimmy Butler is more important to the heat m. So another question kind of 400 00:27:07,799 --> 00:27:11,519 related to Autubio and kind of moving on to number five. Does it surprise 401 00:27:11,599 --> 00:27:17,400 you that Hassan Whiteside, who checks in at number five, appeared above Bomb, 402 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:22,519 Autubio and all three components. He was fifth to Bam, sixth for 403 00:27:22,559 --> 00:27:26,599 the fan vote, He was fifth for me, to sixth for BAM, 404 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,359 and for you. He checked in at six, then Bam was at eight. 405 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,920 Does that surprise you that he was across the board above? It doesn't 406 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,599 surprise me across the board because one there's there's no longevity, and maybe that 407 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,519 matters more if I were looking at both what you and I were going to 408 00:27:38,559 --> 00:27:42,119 do for the fans, and this isn't this isn't an insult to anybody because 409 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:48,000 I can be box score jaw dropped at any point two Hassan White size numbers 410 00:27:48,039 --> 00:27:49,160 just stand out more. You know, if you're going to see someone who 411 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:53,720 averages seventeen points in fourteen rebounds and two blocks, it's just it's going to 412 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,440 stand out more a little bit. And so when you couple that with his 413 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:02,960 longevity and then all so how he's just he's another heat success story and that 414 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:07,000 he's not. He was drafted thirty third overall by the Kings in twenty ten 415 00:28:07,039 --> 00:28:10,039 and it kind of flamed out of the NBA by the time he really got 416 00:28:10,279 --> 00:28:14,319 to Miami, and so he's more of an underdog in that sense than bam 417 00:28:14,319 --> 00:28:18,200 Adebayo was as a first round pick. I think that all matters in the 418 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:22,559 discussion. Do I think that bam Adebio is going to end up being the 419 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,160 better overall player, the more valuable player, Yes, I think it will 420 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:33,759 rather easily easily. And look, there are fair questions about how how valuable 421 00:28:33,039 --> 00:28:37,400 us on Whiteside was through the Miami Heat at points, just because his demeanor 422 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:42,799 was often criticized, their offense was it happened a lot pretty frequently where it 423 00:28:42,839 --> 00:28:45,720 was better with him off the court. And then how much, you know, 424 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,880 particularly towards the end, the defense sometimes almost went unchanged with or without 425 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,000 him on the court. And so if you're going to have someone who's just 426 00:28:53,119 --> 00:28:57,920 this premier shot blocker and considered a rim protector, you would like that, 427 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,000 particularly on defensive side, the differential to be more pronounced and certainly at least 428 00:29:03,079 --> 00:29:06,160 in his favor, not against it. And so just had he had a 429 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:11,359 very complicated relationship with his with his tenure. When you look back on it 430 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,079 when it was in the moment earlier on, I think you could appreciate it 431 00:29:14,079 --> 00:29:18,319 because he was just giving you production you never expected. Once you signed that 432 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:22,400 contract in twenty sixteen, I think it was without twenty seventeen, I can't 433 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,519 even remember right now. Those off seasons blurred together. But once you signed 434 00:29:25,519 --> 00:29:27,519 that big money contract, and it it must have been two thousand and sixteen. 435 00:29:27,599 --> 00:29:30,920 He was a four year deal. Once you sign that big money contract, 436 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,039 you know twenty sixteen and seventeen that kind of felt for him like a 437 00:29:33,039 --> 00:29:37,400 sweetheart year, but it was downhill from there where you didn't really see him 438 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:41,000 playing as much, where there were rumors coming out that he was unhappy with 439 00:29:41,039 --> 00:29:45,720 his role, and then by last season specifically, it felt like the Heat 440 00:29:45,799 --> 00:29:48,039 sort of knew that bam Adebayo was going to be the better player and was 441 00:29:48,079 --> 00:29:52,519 their future, but you couldn't do anything with us on white Side until the 442 00:29:52,559 --> 00:29:56,200 off season. And look, he had good years in Miami. I just 443 00:29:56,279 --> 00:29:59,079 think bam Adebayo was gonna end up being better overall, and the sample size 444 00:29:59,119 --> 00:30:02,200 that we've seen though, I feel like if you pretty clearly have to give 445 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:06,960 the edge to him. I really had no idea where Whiteside was going to 446 00:30:07,039 --> 00:30:11,480 fall in the fan balloting, just because of that that complicated relationship that he 447 00:30:11,559 --> 00:30:15,680 had between stats and winning, right. You know, we saw it early 448 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,079 on when he would get a triple double and talk about how his two K 449 00:30:18,279 --> 00:30:23,880 rating needed to go up, like session shooting threes. Yeah, and there 450 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:30,000 were so many intriguing elements to his game, those elbow jumpers that he seemed 451 00:30:30,039 --> 00:30:33,319 to make pretty consistently as he was carving out a bigger role with Miami that 452 00:30:33,599 --> 00:30:37,000 that sort of went away later in his Heat tenure, the leading the league 453 00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:41,559 in block shots per game with three point seven during the twenty fifteen sixteen season, 454 00:30:41,599 --> 00:30:45,920 being a consistent double double threat, being one of the better rebounders in 455 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,599 the NBA, but at the same time he chased rebounds, he chased blocks 456 00:30:48,599 --> 00:30:53,079 at the expense of defensive positioning, like he was like the poster boy for 457 00:30:53,759 --> 00:31:03,039 the idea that blocks didn't necessarily equal good rim protection. It felt like he 458 00:31:03,119 --> 00:31:08,680 was always a difficult player to evaluate because he was putting up such massive numbers 459 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:15,880 and showing up fairly prominently in a lot of analytical senses, but it didn't 460 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:21,680 always equate to winning. And he puts a cap on your offense a little 461 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:26,000 bit. And we've seen it in Portland where he can't do the same short 462 00:31:26,079 --> 00:31:29,319 roles or those quick passes that use of nurkicch made, and so he's fine. 463 00:31:29,359 --> 00:31:32,039 It's sort of this. I call him a rim jogger. Rim jogger 464 00:31:32,079 --> 00:31:36,359 because it never really seems like he's blitzing towards the basket. But he's definitely 465 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,359 useful in that role. But if he wants to post up more, if 466 00:31:38,359 --> 00:31:41,400 you need him to do more as a passer or someone who can hit shots 467 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:45,920 on these short roles. Those limitations they're just they're there. That's fine. 468 00:31:45,559 --> 00:31:51,000 But if we were to look at their careers in totality when they both retire, 469 00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:55,920 I think we end up saying that beam Adebayo had the substantially more impactful 470 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,880 career. You know what's what's surprising to me about Whiteside, though, is 471 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,880 the Heat are so good at getting the best out of players. Eric Spoelstra 472 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:08,680 is so good at using every single player under his purview in the right way. 473 00:32:08,799 --> 00:32:13,759 And they did manage to turn Whiteside into something special, you know, 474 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,599 after he was a second round pick in twenty ten, after he'd flamed out 475 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:21,119 with the Kings, and they really resurrected his career. But at the same 476 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:25,160 time, like when was the last time we saw a player go elsewhere and 477 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:29,920 be more successful? And I feel like that's what's happened in Portland this year, 478 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,920 where you know, he still has some of those stat chasing tendencies, 479 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:37,640 he still pursues blocks in the wrong situation sometimes, but it also feels like 480 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:43,519 he's playing with more effort, with more intelligence, and with more desire for 481 00:32:43,599 --> 00:32:46,200 the Trailblazers than he did with the Heat, And it's just so strange to 482 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:53,039 me because usually that's reversed when Miami's involved. Right, let's see how he 483 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:57,960 deals with maybe not starting though behind us off Nurkicch once the season resumes. 484 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,319 I think that's also fair to see. Interesting yea, yep, yep. 485 00:33:00,599 --> 00:33:07,720 So trivia question related to Hassan Whiteside. Where does he rank in Heat history 486 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:14,720 for total blocks? And can you name h who's ahead of him? All 487 00:33:14,759 --> 00:33:19,119 right, so there's somebody ahead of him. I'm gonna say he's third. 488 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,119 You're correct, Okay? Can you name both of them? Oh? Absolutely 489 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:28,240 not? Alonzo Morning number one with more than twice as many as anyone else 490 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,559 by one. Actually shout out to Zoe. I'm not going to get the 491 00:33:32,599 --> 00:33:37,240 other one. He has one thousand, six hundred and twenty five blocks in 492 00:33:37,279 --> 00:33:43,440 his career. Alonzo Morning, Whiteside had seven hundred eighty three shot can possibly 493 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:47,200 be on there? Kenny Shock is sixth? Good for Shock? I got 494 00:33:47,319 --> 00:33:50,519 I got nothing. You're gonna have to spoil who the other one is for 495 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,279 me? Well, he's twenty nine blocks ahead of ahead of white Side despite 496 00:33:54,319 --> 00:33:59,960 playing six hundred and twenty four more games for the Heat, and it is 497 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:05,440 the greatest shot blocking guard of all time. No, Dwyane Wade has more 498 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,000 blocks with the Heat than Whiteside. I feel like that's actually something that I 499 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:12,480 should have gotten. Yeah, I don't actually think it's that surprising, just 500 00:34:12,559 --> 00:34:15,840 because he's always been a good shot blocker out of the backcourt and he spent 501 00:34:16,039 --> 00:34:22,239 so much time with the Heat. I mean, Haslam is the only guy 502 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,039 who's even close in games played in Heat franchise history. Did you map out 503 00:34:25,039 --> 00:34:29,960 this trivia question well in advance, No, it literally came up with it 504 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,760 as you were talking. All right, that's impressive, that's a fun one. 505 00:34:32,519 --> 00:34:37,360 Yeah. Yeah. But let's move on to number four, and it 506 00:34:37,519 --> 00:34:42,639 is a guy who ranks hold on, hold on, hold on forty seven 507 00:34:43,119 --> 00:34:46,440 in blocks in Heat history. That one actually not bad, Top fifteen, 508 00:34:46,559 --> 00:34:51,920 sixty one, top fifty, and that is Goren Dragic, noted shot blocker. 509 00:34:52,559 --> 00:34:57,760 From this point forward, the components were unanimous. Dragic appeared in fourth 510 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,639 place for the fans, for me, for Dan, and that will also 511 00:35:00,679 --> 00:35:05,840 be true of our top three. So I'll stop saying they're individual components scores. 512 00:35:06,199 --> 00:35:09,599 But yeah, Goran Dragics one of the more enjoyable players to watch because 513 00:35:09,599 --> 00:35:15,960 of his fearlessness attacking the basket, his incredible finishing ability. I feel like 514 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,960 that's the first thing you have to associate with him is just now, this 515 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,519 is a guy who's who's six foot three, who doesn't even play anywhere close 516 00:35:23,559 --> 00:35:28,360 to above the rim, but he always seemed to convert shots on the interior. 517 00:35:29,599 --> 00:35:34,360 Yeah, sixty five point six percent shooting for his career inside three feet 518 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:38,280 and that's while factoring in his disastrous rookie campaign where he shot forty two point 519 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:42,239 point three percent from from that close range. And I mean, if you 520 00:35:42,519 --> 00:35:45,920 sort of remove that from the equation, he's at sixty six point three percent 521 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:49,840 inside three feet for his career. And it look it helps that he always 522 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,920 kind of had that maybe out so much anymore, but he's really slippery off 523 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:54,280 the dribble, and then someone who can hit those Yes, he can hit 524 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,880 those off the dribble jumpers, but he's also going to hit those stand still 525 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,639 threes as well, and it makes him very hug and play on the offensive 526 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:05,000 end. You do kind of have to worry about him on defense, though, 527 00:36:05,039 --> 00:36:07,800 And that's where it would say more than kinda, so you have to 528 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:09,760 tell your personnel more specifically where it's He doesn't work in every lineup, but 529 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:14,840 if you were concerned just about offense, he absolutely could. Were you at 530 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:19,960 all surprised that he ended up being consensus for four. I thought after the 531 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,320 top three that maybe there would have been some some wiggle room or did you 532 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:27,119 just always expect going in for him to finish fourth. I thought it was 533 00:36:27,159 --> 00:36:30,639 a pretty obvious position, and it really seems like he's kind of hovering between 534 00:36:30,679 --> 00:36:36,000 tears where there was there was some flux in the fan balloting between the five 535 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:40,000 and seven spots with Whiteside, Autobio and Butler, but Dragic was basically alone 536 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:45,039 and fourth. On almost every ballot he was either fourth or fifth. But 537 00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:49,519 because of the variety of players who people had above him in that fourth spot, 538 00:36:49,519 --> 00:36:52,159 when he did appear at number five, you know he was never going 539 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:53,840 to be in the top three. He did appear there on one ballot, 540 00:36:54,519 --> 00:37:00,000 but yeah, it seemed like that was just his preordained position, just as 541 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:04,880 offensive dynamo who can score from all three levels, has that smooth lefty stroke, 542 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,519 that slippery ball handling, but didn't do anything on defense and has been 543 00:37:07,519 --> 00:37:10,599 there for a while. Yeah, he's been here more than half the decade, 544 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,519 which is which is just kind of bizarre to think about. It seems 545 00:37:14,559 --> 00:37:17,559 like just yesterday that everyone was debating whether the Heat should give up two first 546 00:37:17,599 --> 00:37:21,679 round picks for him, And then you look and you're like, oh, 547 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,159 that was I was in twenty fifteen. That was a pretty long time ago. 548 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,039 It was. Yeah, I mean, it's it's hard to believe that 549 00:37:27,079 --> 00:37:30,880 it's been that much time since we had that three headed Eric bloodsoe Isaiah Thomas 550 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:36,559 goran dragic experiment in Phoenix that was doomed from the start because Phoenix. Yeah, 551 00:37:36,599 --> 00:37:37,760 I think that's the best way to put it, because Phoenix and he 552 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:42,719 look, he was he had a monstrous twenty sixteen twenty seventeen season. I 553 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,880 know that he didn't make the playoffs that year, but it is a travesty 554 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:50,000 that he was not an All Star that year. Yeah, and that was 555 00:37:50,039 --> 00:37:52,679 the season where they went bonkers in the second half right of the of the 556 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,920 year. So yep, huge part of that. But I'm deserving number four. 557 00:37:55,960 --> 00:38:00,840 I just thought there might have been less of a consensus there. Yeah, 558 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,239 no, there was. There was definitely a consensus there, But there 559 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:08,199 was even more of a consensus for the number three spot, you know there 560 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:12,360 was there was some debate for the fans, not so much between you and 561 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:16,559 I for a number one and number two, but everyone had Chris Bosh in 562 00:38:16,599 --> 00:38:22,159 the third spot, and for good reason. I mean, he was never 563 00:38:22,199 --> 00:38:25,960 as important to those teams as Lebron James and Dwyane Wade were. But like, 564 00:38:27,159 --> 00:38:30,800 were you really going to put him below Dragice, below Whiteside, below 565 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:35,639 Butler or Autobio, Like, come on, do you remember that people turned 566 00:38:35,679 --> 00:38:39,039 against him by the basically the or at points during the heat tenure, where 567 00:38:39,119 --> 00:38:43,480 was that he had to go or that he was somehow holding them back when 568 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,000 it was really the way he played, in the concessions that he made on 569 00:38:46,079 --> 00:38:51,519 offense that really allowed them to exist the best way that they did to Lebron 570 00:38:51,559 --> 00:38:54,000 at the four can't really happen unless you can have Chris Bosh at the five 571 00:38:54,079 --> 00:38:58,320 and he does so much. Look at shooting numbers weren't great at the time 572 00:38:58,639 --> 00:39:00,840 when he was firing threes, but if you don't have him sort of stretching 573 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:06,360 the floor, it makes a job of the offense a lot harder. And 574 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,440 then he was always just rock solid defensively, he was a pretty good rim 575 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:13,559 protector, and the fact that he could stand up against certain fives, but 576 00:39:13,599 --> 00:39:15,480 that you were also using him at the four for the first two seasons. 577 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,519 Just a very good player, and I think a lot of what he did 578 00:39:19,639 --> 00:39:22,960 end up getting lost in the haze that was Lebron James and Duane Wade. 579 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:28,760 Right and first and foremost, Chris Bosh is just a treasure of a human 580 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,840 being, just like he was always entertaining the memes that that resulted from his 581 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:38,559 time in Miami. The He's the reason with which he played. He's the 582 00:39:38,599 --> 00:39:45,400 reason that I learned the word photo bomb exists right right, and he had 583 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:49,039 some incredible ones during his time at South Beach. But I mean, I 584 00:39:49,039 --> 00:39:53,159 think he needs so much more credit than he gets for accepting that third wheel 585 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:59,440 role. He was an absolute star with the Toronto Raptors and just had to 586 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:04,960 complain letely change his game from the get go. During his final season with 587 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,400 the Raptors, he required assists on forty nine point eight percent of his made 588 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:13,000 shots. That number rose to sixty point three percent during his first season with 589 00:40:13,039 --> 00:40:16,559 the Heat. Throughout his first playoffs playoff run, with Lebron and Dwayne Wade. 590 00:40:16,599 --> 00:40:21,960 That actually elevated sixty five point two percent. He became so much more 591 00:40:22,039 --> 00:40:27,280 of a complimentary figure and had to completely change the way he played on offense 592 00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,480 and on defense. He hadn't played much center with Toronto. He had to 593 00:40:30,519 --> 00:40:35,039 suddenly start playing center, as you mentioned, to make those lineups with Lebron 594 00:40:35,079 --> 00:40:38,440 at the four work, and as Eric Spoelster said after the twenty twelve title, 595 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:43,960 like that is what took the team to another level. Direct quote, 596 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:45,280 is that really took our team to another level. Because of his speed, 597 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:49,679 his skill set, he could defend multiple positions, but as a center, 598 00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,199 he became one of the tougher covers in the league. He really had to 599 00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,079 sacrifice quite a bit and get out of his comfort zone and things that he 600 00:40:54,119 --> 00:40:59,920 was used to in Toronto. I'm still not sure if that decision will alter, 601 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:05,199 timately help or hurt his long term legacy because he did have to sacrifice 602 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,159 those individual numbers, those individual accolades for the betterment of the team. It 603 00:41:08,159 --> 00:41:12,800 allowed him to get championships, allowed him to write his name in the history 604 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,079 books that way. But that is a sacrifice that not many players of his 605 00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:21,639 caliber were willing have been willing, will be willing to make. We saw 606 00:41:21,679 --> 00:41:23,960 it with Kevin Love in Cleveland, where there was some strife there with his 607 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:29,159 transition that just didn't Maybe it's because social media and leaks weren't as prevalent then, 608 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:34,679 but that just didn't seem to exist with Bosh and so he deserves all 609 00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,519 the credit in the world. And look that first year without Lebron, though 610 00:41:37,519 --> 00:41:44,480 he only appears in forty four games, it was sort of this reminder of 611 00:41:44,519 --> 00:41:47,920 how good he actually was. He puts up through his forty four appearances twenty 612 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:52,800 one point one points seven rebounds, two point two assists, is shooting thirty 613 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:57,559 seven point five percent from distance. That was his age thirty season, and 614 00:41:57,599 --> 00:42:00,480 if not for the blood plot issues, who knows how he ends up closing 615 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:05,760 out that year. So he was really re establishing himself as one of those 616 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,679 premier All Stars. And that's his status that he surrendered when he signed with 617 00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:14,599 the Heat. And you're absolutely right that not only would very few players make 618 00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,840 that concession, even fewer would do so when they're just in the thick of 619 00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:22,079 their prime. We're talking about his age twenty six season when he went to 620 00:42:22,199 --> 00:42:27,400 Miami Bosch had to retire after his age thirty one season. I mean, 621 00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:30,960 the retirement itself happened well after that, just because he wanted to make that 622 00:42:31,039 --> 00:42:36,400 comeback and wasn't able to because of the blood clotting issues. But in his 623 00:42:36,519 --> 00:42:40,239 final season, operating as more of a solo star, there nineteen point one 624 00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:44,800 points and seven point four rebounds, still shooting the ball efficiently from every level. 625 00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:50,320 If he had stayed healthy and played another let's say four or five seasons 626 00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:52,519 in Miami, do you think there's any chance that we could have been talking 627 00:42:52,559 --> 00:43:00,440 about him in one of the top two spots. Oh yeah, I would 628 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:04,599 say so, just because Dwayne Wade not only did he leave for a second, 629 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:10,239 but he also kind of had those just reduced production seasons where maybe Bosch 630 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:14,239 wouldn't have had those. I mean, now we're talking twenty fifteen. Twenty 631 00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:19,440 sixteen is a world ago, so you're actually talking about what four three seasons 632 00:43:19,519 --> 00:43:22,639 now of separation between that four seasons actually, so maybe he's kind of in 633 00:43:22,679 --> 00:43:29,280 that same boat. It would have been tough to overcome the emotional attachment that 634 00:43:29,519 --> 00:43:32,559 Miami has to Dwayne Wade, and rightfully so. But his case for the 635 00:43:32,599 --> 00:43:35,920 number two spot. If he'd been playing at the level he did in the 636 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,719 first two years that Lebron left through this exercise or up until it whatever, 637 00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:44,280 he probably have a pretty good case for number two. I agree, But 638 00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:49,719 as it stands, Dwayne Wade was the pretty obvious and consensus number two. 639 00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,760 I know you just said a second back that he spent a minute away from 640 00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:58,880 the Heat. I refuse to acknowledge that that happened. I'm wiping his Chicago 641 00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,360 Bulls tenure in brief, Cleveland Cavalier's tenure from the Chicago had Lifer. It's 642 00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:07,000 Cleveland that you're wipe off the ledge. You will always be a Heat lifer. 643 00:44:07,039 --> 00:44:09,119 He never wore another uniform. He's gonna go down in the history books 644 00:44:09,159 --> 00:44:14,000 that way, because I want him too. For anyone that had him number 645 00:44:14,079 --> 00:44:17,119 one, I'd just be a little bit curious what the justification is there. 646 00:44:17,119 --> 00:44:22,480 Maybe it's the purely the longevity, because there's kind of this noticeable drop off 647 00:44:22,519 --> 00:44:28,199 from him after that twenty ten twenty eleven campaign where he's playing fewer minutes. 648 00:44:28,519 --> 00:44:31,800 As my phone goes off everywhere, he's playing fewer minutes. They had like 649 00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:36,639 these maintenance programs in place where he was going to play in in fewer games 650 00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,920 and he just wasn't at the same level. Still a really good player, 651 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:46,039 but Lebron would clearly be a cut or five above him. And I guess 652 00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:52,119 when you look at the just the season spent their discrepancy where we're talking about 653 00:44:52,159 --> 00:44:55,400 four seasons for Lebron and you look at Wade and Nowvis when you're at eight, 654 00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:59,800 that definitely that has to matter. beIN's twice as many seasons there. 655 00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:04,960 I just I still would question why there would be so many people who did 656 00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,519 list them at number one. Yeah, I think it has to be the 657 00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:13,840 import to the franchise. I mean, this is this is an organization and 658 00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:17,159 a city to which he meant so much that you know, we briefly saw 659 00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:21,960 Dade County renamed Wade County. You know, like that that that kind of 660 00:45:22,039 --> 00:45:24,480 thing has to matter. The longevity has to matter, playing four thousand more 661 00:45:24,519 --> 00:45:29,800 minutes, but they were at at a significantly lower level than Lebron's. I 662 00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,559 mean, Lebron is number one. I think everyone knew that. But even 663 00:45:32,599 --> 00:45:37,360 though he only spent four seasons with the Heat during this decade, like those 664 00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:43,519 four seasons were incredible. The twenty twelve thirteen season in particular, I think 665 00:45:43,559 --> 00:45:45,320 you can. You can make a convincing argument, and I believe we have 666 00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:51,559 on some of these podcasts that that was the best season that he's played in 667 00:45:51,599 --> 00:45:55,280 his entire NBA career, just where everything clicked, where he was seeing the 668 00:45:55,320 --> 00:46:00,079 court so well, where he was taking threes and making threes. We're just 669 00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:06,119 everything worked for an absolute juggernaut of a team. It would have been easy 670 00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,880 when you're operating in a Big three alongside two other obvious Hall of Fame talents 671 00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:14,760 in Wade and Bosh to kind of fade into the background a little bit more 672 00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:19,679 than he did. But despite being but one member of that triumvirate, he 673 00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:24,239 was so obviously the leader and the best player on a consistent championship contender that 674 00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,519 for me, it was like, Okay, I'm filling up this ballot. 675 00:46:28,599 --> 00:46:30,599 Let me throw Lebron into the number one spot, wading the number two Bosch 676 00:46:30,639 --> 00:46:34,639 into the number three, not even going to give any of those a second 677 00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:40,840 thought. Yeah, that twenty thirteen year from Lebron absolutely ridiculous. First Team 678 00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:45,000 on NBA First Team, All Defense, League, MVP Finals, MVP just 679 00:46:45,039 --> 00:46:51,199 really one of those queen sweeps and as just like everything you outlined for him, 680 00:46:51,199 --> 00:46:52,960 that that year is the one that comes to mind for me more so 681 00:46:53,079 --> 00:46:57,639 than any other one when you're talking about the best version of Lebron James. 682 00:46:57,639 --> 00:47:05,400 And look, also, despite his spending significantly less time There's he's just by 683 00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:12,079 far and away the Miami Heat leader in value over replacement player through his four 684 00:47:12,119 --> 00:47:16,840 seasons with the Heat, and you just look at how how important he was 685 00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:21,360 to what that franchise became. I know people say that everyone wanted to play 686 00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,599 in Miami, but he sort of turned the Heat into this even greater hot 687 00:47:24,639 --> 00:47:28,320 spot by by going there. It seemed to really open the floodgates. Four. 688 00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:30,000 Well, why wouldn't you go to Miami. There's you're not going to 689 00:47:30,039 --> 00:47:35,480 have to pay state state income tax, and it's a great place to live. 690 00:47:35,639 --> 00:47:38,360 And you know, now Dwayne Wade isn't there, and that still sort 691 00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,840 of carries out. And look, Dwayne Wade has played a huge role in 692 00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:44,079 that. I don't want to get that twisted. And he played Miami. 693 00:47:44,119 --> 00:47:46,360 Probably doesn't get Lebron with without Dwyne Wade, which is something else to consider, 694 00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:50,559 and maybe that's part of the argument in favor of b Wade. Being 695 00:47:50,639 --> 00:47:52,920 number one? Is that do you have Lebron with without Dwayne Wade there but 696 00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:57,119 leader and win shares for this team too, even though we spent only four 697 00:47:57,199 --> 00:48:00,800 years there, and it's by a mile sixty five point three to Dwayne Wade 698 00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:04,760 forty six point three in the number two spots. So I didn't even think 699 00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:10,159 twice about putting him him number one. So my one outstanding question for you 700 00:48:10,199 --> 00:48:14,719 before we move on to the honorable mentions is in the next decade, where 701 00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:19,239 do you think Janice is going to rank? That's rude. That would have 702 00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,840 been better for the Raptors spot. I feel like maybe we'll do it again 703 00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:27,280 there. Yeah, so Jannist will probably rank Jannie is staying in Milwaukee. 704 00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,320 That was my hot take. I hope we just picked up a few bucks 705 00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:35,360 listeners by me making that prediction. You ready for the honorable mentions? I 706 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:39,280 hope. So there really weren't any terrible ones here. Honestly, I thought 707 00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:43,159 you're gonna say they really weren't any honorable mentions. No, we had a 708 00:48:43,679 --> 00:48:45,519 twenty eight different people up here on the bellot, so outside the top ten 709 00:48:45,599 --> 00:48:49,880 from the fan vote, we had Josh Richardson at eleven. Justice Winslow at 710 00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:53,679 twelve, Mike Miller at thirteen, Ray Allen at fourteen, Shane Battier at 711 00:48:53,679 --> 00:49:00,079 fifteen, Kendrick Nunn at sixteen, Dion Waiters at seventeen, freeway tie between 712 00:49:00,199 --> 00:49:06,760 Kelly Olenock, Richard Lewis and Tyler Johnson at eighteen. We had Chris Anderson 713 00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,440 the Birdman at twenty one, James Johnson at twenty two, Tyler Harrow at 714 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:15,559 twenty three, James Jones at twenty four. He was tied with Derek Jones 715 00:49:15,639 --> 00:49:19,360 Junior, and then a three way tie between Duncan Robinson, lu All Dang 716 00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,840 and Norris Cole, who all appeared once in the ten spot. Is there 717 00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,280 like a I Don't Drink None fan page that follows NBA math on Twitter? 718 00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:30,119 There might be, I mean, we did, We've had, We've had 719 00:49:30,159 --> 00:49:34,679 like Shelvin Mack fan clubs and all sorts of random things happen. So that's 720 00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,719 at one time, Orlando Magic Assist leader Shelvin Mack to you, that's right, 721 00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:42,760 that's right. I need to give him more respect in all things. 722 00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,679 Well, that'll do it for this podcast. Next time we're coming at you 723 00:49:45,679 --> 00:49:49,880 will have the top ten Milwaukee Bucks of the decade. If you would like 724 00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,960 to participate in that, we strongly encourage it. The pole is live at 725 00:49:53,159 --> 00:49:58,039 NBA MATH. Go follow NBA MATH on Twitter at NBA Underscore Math. Also 726 00:49:58,079 --> 00:50:02,480 make sure you're following Adam on Twitter Twitter at Framo zero nine on Twitter. 727 00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:07,840 And until next time, I leave everybody with the shout out too. Miami 728 00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:20,320 Heat Living Legends Eric Dampier, Sugar Ray Leonard, Roberto Duran, Marvelous, 729 00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:24,719 Marvin Hagler, and Thomas Hearns. Legends whose four way rivalry define one of 730 00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:30,400 the greatest errors in boxing history, relive their decade of dominance in the new 731 00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:35,679 Showtime Sports documentary The Kings, a four parts series premiering Sunday, June sixth, 732 00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:36,840 only on Showtime