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Hey, folks. Today's story unfalls
in Texas, where Catholic nuns and their

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bishop are locked in the dramatic feud. The nuns have banned their bishop from

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their monitory monastery, citing spiritual safety
after allegations of misconduct and interference. It's

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a battle of claims and counterclaims.
The bishop accused the head nun of breaking

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her vow of chastity with a priest
from outside, leading to legal battles and

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even an excommunication. Warning. But
wait minute, is this really about religious

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convictions or could there be a power
struggle at play? The situation has turned

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so intense that the Vatican got involved. Join us as we unravel this captivating

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tale of religious turmoil and conflicting authority. This articles from scowl News entitled Catholic

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nuns banished Texas bishop and accused him
of spying in row over chastity by Michael

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Drummond, published August twenty third,
twenty three. It's all a bit of

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a mess, and I'd like some
help to entangle it, to be quite

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honest. And so I don't know
who should I go to first, phil

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What's what's going on? Help me
out here? This bishop has been really

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problematic, really problematic. From it
seems, as you said correctly, that

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he has this habit of getting into
a lot of controversy, especially tours members

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of the clergy, and and and
the person's like the nuns. And so

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he seems to have a habit and
punning pun the word, habit of removing

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priests and nuns. And he seems
to do it before evident because this is

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they're claiming he has no evidence.
And apparently he had removed a priest's name,

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Reverend Curtmant before before having any evidence. So I don't know what is

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this. This bishop's problem a serious
problem. And apparently in the case of

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Reverent Kurtman, it seems as if
Reverent Kirtman was about to call out another

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priest that supposed another priest for despicable
sexual behavior, and this bishop came in

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and bring some accusation against Reverend Kirtman
and so, and the lawyer of Reverend

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Kirtman sent a letter to him telling
him that telling the bishop, but you

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have there's no evidence of what you
claim, Kurtman, I've done and looking

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at this article here and who it
seems as if the bishop said that the

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nune may have may I have?
That indicates that you don't really have good

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evidence if you have to say,
may I have done such and such?

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So something is wrong here? If
this this this bishop, it has me

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puzzled. What do you think about
that? In Fidel, well, you

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know, I gotta say, we
did an episode about the church starting down

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the road to band transgender care and
thing. It's called praise be to pre

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thanks be to prejudice, and Olsen
he's on the actual the committee that it's

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going to ultimately make that decision.
And then he made the comment that gender

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ideology was preying upon transgender people.
So it looks like he's just up to

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his own thing, and that is
to be himself, you know, to

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do horrible things and to say horrible
things in the guise of leadership. Now,

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now he does have a knack for
pissing people off. There's h their

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websites dedicated to wanting to remove him
for different things he's done. And we're

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just demolishing churches, firing other people, certain very questionable behavior, you know.

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But the truth be told, I
really don't care much about whether the

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nun was right wrong or what his
particular behaviors are. And the truth is

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is almost any time I can see
division among the believers, I'm I'll take

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that that's a win, because this
is just something that go ahead and count

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me in. Now. To me, what I really get though, is

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the field that this comes across.
You know, I've seen this on a

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nature show. You know, we
have a beach walrus trying to protect his

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harem of nuns from an invading priest
from another parish. It just it just

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reeks of somebody just trying to throw
their weight around and and trying to dominate.

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And you know, while I'm glad
to see the nuns step back and

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step up to him, the truth
is this is really an inner enter politics

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thing that you know, you know, breaking it down to you know,

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he got wind of a nun doing
it with an outside priest, and he

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goes in the jealousy mode. He
steals your computer, iPad and her mobile

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phone. You know. Then he
goes around stalking and supposedly monitoring what she

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does. After this, uh,
you know, the nuns tell her the

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fuck off, you're not my dad, I mean father, and uh,

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of course you know, then Olsen
pulls up the Christian victim card, you

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know, hurt as a friend that
they're treating him this way, and then

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of course excommunicate for all you know. It sounds pretty much like what we

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expect. Listen to me, what
I say is right, what you say

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doesn't matter. And at the end
of the day, even if I'm wrong,

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well you're going to hell anyway.
Excommunication for everyone who cared. So

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I'm glad to see the nuns pushing
back. But come on, we know

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what this guy is about. We've
talked about not only the Catholic Church many

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times, we've talked about him specifically. He's just doing it again, up

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to his old tricks, Helen.
So I actually felt kind of a little

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bit inspired by this article because it
was nice to see the nuns pushing back.

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And as a former Catholic, I
know all about the misogyny and the

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church, so it was nice to
see the nuns like, no, dude,

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you are crossing boundaries. That he
was spying on them and spreading rumors

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and trying to cause discourse within the
monastery. It was a whole thing,

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you know, just because he thought
there was a competitor. And to be

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fair, I kind of not to
be fair, but I want to pint

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out the hypocrisy of this because if
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it was too consenting adult. Okay, I'm not a big fan of

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calling out sexual you know, sexual
impurity and the religion when guess what,

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the Catholic Church has does some really
really bad things. So you know,

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maybe you should keep your mouth shut, okay and not go around, you

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know, passing judgment. Hey hey, kettle me pot pretty much. And

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I think that's you know, this
is just shows the hypocrisy that it's coming

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up. And I also because being
a nun already is a second classicist and

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stay within the Catholic Church because you
know, you can be celibate to you

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know, to God and do charity
works and things like that, but you

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can't have any sort of leadership.
You can't leave Mass, you can't hear

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confession, you can't do any of
these things. Basically, you are a

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servant to the church, but you
can't have any agents. And the fact

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that these nuns were like, we're
done, you know, and and they

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booted him Mosch, I think is
something to be commended. Obviously, I

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hate the Catholic Church. I considered
a criminal organization, but I will always

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give points to people standing up like
we're not going to put up in a

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crab anymore, you know, no
matter what institution, if they're being treated

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unfairly. So that's kind of my
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I'm I'm and I felt kind of
I felt a little bit inspired, and

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I was like, hey, yay, go go feminism. That's where I

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was. Anyway. Anyway, Richard, I'm sure you get more to say

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about this. Yeah, I mean
this Actually don't know he's ever seen Father

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Ted the comedy sit He reminds me
of a character called Bishop Brennan who eventually

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gets kicked up the ass for us
a whole other story, but in the

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way that he seems to be really
stuck up. Really, I mean,

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that's one of the things that people
are angry with them about. Is a

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couple of priests decide to make a
bit homebrew beer, and apparently he told

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on them and one of them kicked. Having me briefs, I mean,

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have an ale mind sounds like you
need one. Come on, I don't

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remember Catholics being particularly against having a
drink. It's you know, my mom's

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Catholic. They could down it with
the best of them. Really, so

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I don't know what that's all out. It's not like they're they're into temperance

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or anything, so but it just
seems like a class one jerk. And

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it is kind of cool that the
nuns have had enough and they're pushing back,

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and they seem to be that a
kind of nun who are used to

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their autonomy, used to being pretty
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when this guy comes along and sees
that because there are some women who will

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not do as I tell them,
I'm going to see to that that's not

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going to happen anything. And so
one of them apparently has a sexual relation

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with Song because this guy seems you
know, as as a famously said by

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Stephen Fry that to the Catholic Church, sex is a bit like food.

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It's exciting, it's you see,
it's wonder phone. You have too much

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of it, it can be really
really bad. And that's Catholic Chursure's attitude

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to sex. They're just too much
of it. They just think it's bad

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and it isn't. And he's he's
a classic. To me, if you

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were to draw, asked me to
draw and write out what I would think

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a Catholic bishop would be like I
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He's just trying to be this version
of a bishop. And yeah,

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I can see him screaming and shouting
and run along with with a nice purple

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outfit with the gold bit in the
middle, just to make yourself look even

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more powerful, screaming, running towards
these names and then just get out of

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it, which should be great.
But yeah, I don't know what his

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problem is. But again, it
just shows you that even within the same

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religion, people are constantly disagreeing with
each other. They just can't decide what

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their dogmas are half the time.
So maybe they should just let them go.

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And no, that's not going to
happen now, yeah, Phil,

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Yeah, you know, I find
sometimes these churches and church organizations do not

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follow basically what their Holy Book prescribe
of how to deals with such matters,

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you know. And yeah, because
in these scriptures, their scriptures in my

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few eighteen fifteen to seventeen, Jesus
said, if your brother or a sister,

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since go, since go and point
out their fault just between the two

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of you. If they listen to
you, you have win them over.

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But if they will not listen to
one or two others alone, so that

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every matter may be established by the
testimony of two or three witnesses. If

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they still refuse to listen, tell
it to the church. And if they

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refused to listen even to the church, treat them as you will a pagan

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or a tax collector. And I
based on these things here does have been

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happening, especially but this bishop,
he seems not to follow his script Church,

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you know as to how to deal
with matters like these. And it

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is so funny, you know.
And the thing is, what is the

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problem with the Nune getting her groove
on her priests? You know, it

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seems it seems as if because you
know, the problem is, especially when

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you have this problem, this thing
about celibacy, it creates a sex star

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position. And so if it did
happen and they have the Nune and the

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priests, they had holy delight,
ice cream, come on. But the

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church, we know that the Church
loves to control people's natural desires, desires

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which one I think it's the term
that the god virus in this yes,

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and call it the god sex virus. They have to control people's desires,

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want to control what we'll do at
all as consenting adults, and so so

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it is you know it, the
church really gets there, and theckers and

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a twists and the bishop really and
truly they not follow the guidance of his

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so I call holy scriptures. Well
you say about well, I was gonna

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go, I hear Glenn has a
say first, because I have I have

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a new thought that I'm forming in
my brain, and I want to make

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sure I have all Okay, so
I'll go ahead and buy time for Helen

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while she's an anytime, I'm there
for you. Now, you know,

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I have to say that it's hard
for me to say whether this bishop's following

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protocol or not, because the truth
is, is that protocol typically in the

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Catholic churches, other than when it
comes to hide the predators, it comes

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to you know what I say,
because at the end of the day,

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while the nuns are supposed to have
autonomy, it does look like the pope

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and cells and the is leaning towards
the bishop's way. And the truth is,

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is that's really to be expected.
I mean, at the end of

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the day, do we really think
that the pope is going to let some

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woman win the argument? I mean, I hate to put it that way.

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But let's not kid ourselves. That's
the truth. I mean, it's

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bad enough that you know we're ignoring
let the woman keep silent, so come

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on, we're going to let them
tell the archbishop and the bishop to shut

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up, to stay away. No, I think, unfortunately this is going

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to go the wrong way at the
end of the day, though that might

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serve the best interest of everyone because
propping up these type of organizations, we

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look at these non structures and we
look at them being held up in some

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esteem for sacrificing their lives to do
all this. Really we're glorifying poverty,

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we're glorifying you known self denial,
we're encouraging and we're teaching value to things

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that really there's not a value there. Now, don't get me wrong.

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That doesn't mean let's go follow the
bishop's way, because well we know he's

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a piece of shit too. But
the truth is is that you know this

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in fighting between themselves, maybe it'll
cause some other young young woman who's thinking,

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maybe I don't want to become enough, and and maybe that's the long

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Maybe that's really the game, because
if someone can go live life and whatever

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that's with and whomever that's with and
she can have all the sex she wants

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to with whomever she wants without having
to worry about Bishop Olson deciding that she

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did something wrong and now I need
your phone like you're a teenage Come on,

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give me a break. The Catholic
Church, I would say they're better

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than that. No, they're actually
quite They're far worse. So I won't

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lie and say they're better than that. But yeah, plus one for the

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Catholic Church exposing themselves. They're pretty
good at that too, but that's that's

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another story. But yeah, let's
let them expose themselves for what they are

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and maybe let the younger generation go
you know what hard pass and speak in

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a pass Helen, if you formed
that dark oh I did so. I

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was kind of sitting here and I'll
mind former nineties goth who'll remember the song

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I'm a Christian Woman by Type O
negative And that's all I kept thinking about

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when I was reading this damn story. I was like, yeah, I

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was like, you get a girl, you get it, And that's what

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I was thinking about because there's so
much sexual shame within the church. Thank

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you Paul for being the first in
cell and then affecting a whole religion with

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your bad ideas. Oh joy,
and they're and this, this is the

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thing that drives me crazy where they're
still trying to hold onto these terrible ideas.

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I mean, at least and non
dominational forms of religion. You're allowed

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to have sex, You're allowed to
get married. You know, it's not

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restrictive. You know. I'm not
saying it's a good thing. I'm not

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saying it's a good thing. I'm
just you know, I'm just you know,

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doing a little bit of a comparison. Don't eat. I mean,

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but I'm just like, you know, and that's the thing that's so crazy,

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because our sexual desire is part of
what makes us human. I mean,

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like besides, you know, maybabies
or not, but it reduces stress,

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helps us be more healthier, helps
us bond with you know, our

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partners. I mean, there's all
these benefits to it, you know.

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I mean, like who hasn't masturbated, you know, because they couldn't sleep

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at night and they're like I needed
relaxing and asking you having more gas.

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I mean, you fall asleep.
It's great. So I'm just saying maybe

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we shouldn't be you know, we're
pressing people, you know, being able

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to like chill out. And I'm
really glad that these nuns were like,

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no, screw you, screw you
man. You're it's too far. You've

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done too much, overreached or done. So that's kind of, you know,

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my last thoughts comments on this particular
topic. So anyway, Richard,

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did you want to say anything else
before we move on? Not much.

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It's just I always assumed that it
was a kind of an open secret.

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Nuns generally would find ways to,
let's just say, relieve their urges,

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either either as a solo act or
as part of a duo. It was

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kind of a thing that was an
Outmoseq Bonds, I knew. Same with

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the monks, but the Black Friars
of Cambridge. There's some stories I could

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tell you, but yeah, it's
so, it is there is It is

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all about this Catholic obsession with sex
as a bad thing and trying to control

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how what the body does. Almost
every evil thing that church has ever done

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seems to come back to that in
one form or another, depending on whose

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body they're trying to control. And
it's and in this case, it's a

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classic, it's a classic textbook.
It's actually for them. Actually, it's

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kind of mile this story. You
know, well, we're moving we're going

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